View Full Version : Scar? Voice out your opinion
luisa081
2004-02-11, 01:46
maybe this type of thread is unnecessary...
but he really piss me off, i mean at first it is sort of understandable that he was going after anyone from the state alchemist to seek revenge or just to destroy anyone who has the ability to create things since their religion says that is evil. but then there are some from the gov't that doesnt know alchemist, and he still killed them... what really annoys me is he kept using god to justify what he is doing, then someone questioned that (forgot who), and he was like i'm just listening to my arm = = waever, i dont have sympathy for him even if his brother died, obviously his brother was connected to lust, cant be all that good ...
and then he still continue wanna kill even after finding out alot of isubel (err something like that) people are still alive
so whats other people's opinion on scar
Asakura_Y0h
2004-02-11, 04:37
well... frankly i find scar rather cool but I think he's rather mislead and confused... at the moment all he sees is that alchemy is evil .... but you can't blame him after all the result of alchemy is what took out more than half of his people.... that's sad... i don't know if his arm psychologically affects him but since it was created to destroy, he feels that he must answer to the calling of his arm of which his brother bestowed upon him.... i mean what else can you do when your sibling and only kin gives you his last dying wish? you go and perform it no matter what it was cause it would be the right thing to do just to perform it.... i think that he's also over consumed by the power of revenge.... but when some ass kills of all the people you know... i'm sure you'd at least feel if not go ahead and kill of that ass and all else related to him... in the real world, we seek death penalties
Scar is a deply troubled person. As mentioned most people would be after watching half thierr race and all of thier family get slaughtered.
He does use god to justify his revenge, but that is somthing that most people do when resorting to means they cannot fully understand. I belive that is exactly where scar is. He has an arm that allows him to be the avenger for his people, which he though were all but exctinct. Now, finding more people from his race, I think he will change his mind about what he is doing and why. But somthing like that is not a momentary decision. He has spent most of his life dedicating his entier beeing to nothing but revenge. changing that mindset is going to take years to do, but it will happen IMO.
As for killing non alchemets workers of the state, he looks at them as part of the same establishment. also, if you notice the state military uses standard military forces with alchemist as backup. basicly the military does most of the killing, the alchemist just take out people where standard guns would not be as efficent.
Scar is a deply troubled person. As mentioned most people would be after watching half thierr race and all of thier family get slaughtered.
He does use god to justify his revenge, but that is somthing that most people do when resorting to means they cannot fully understand. I belive that is exactly where scar is. He has an arm that allows him to be the avenger for his people, which he though were all but exctinct. Now, finding more people from his race, I think he will change his mind about what he is doing and why. But somthing like that is not a momentary decision. He has spent most of his life dedicating his entier beeing to nothing but revenge. changing that mindset is going to take years to do, but it will happen IMO.
As for killing non alchemets workers of the state, he looks at them as part of the same establishment. also, if you notice the state military uses standard military forces with alchemist as backup. basicly the military does most of the killing, the alchemist just take out people where standard guns would not be as efficent.
Yep. Nothing like the Sins, who are actively sowing strife and chaos everywhere they goes.
ElvenPath
2004-02-11, 09:59
Note: renamed the thread with a more relevant title (was: scar pisses me off)
Scar is freaking cool. I really think he is a good guy, but looked at as a bad guy becuase he goes around killing the national alchemist. But remember, the military isn't all that good either, specially when it comes to the war with ishbal.
The military is bad bad bad, but some people are nice.
He just like to generalize everyone into categories imo
Military=Kill
Homonculus=RUN bitch RUN!
Imagine the holy grail, but a stone there you have the philosophers stone :p
bleh sorry for double post Oo
and ffs wrong thread aaaaaaaaaah!!
At first I couldn't stand him (and I still can't) but when I stopped to think about it I understood why he's doing what he's doing, but that doesn't mean I think it's right. It's wrong but he does have a valid point like everyone has presented in doing what he's doin in my opinion.
I wish he didn't kill Nina though...
Thats the point of fma where I just started abhoring Scar's guts. It wasn't his place to decide her fate.
Kamui4356
2004-02-11, 19:58
At first I couldn't stand him (and I still can't) but when I stopped to think about it I understood why he's doing what he's doing, but that doesn't mean I think it's right. It's wrong but he does have a valid point like everyone has presented in doing what he's doin in my opinion.
I wish he didn't kill Nina though...
Thats the point of fma where I just started abhoring Scar's guts. It wasn't his place to decide her fate.
I don't think it's a spoiler since that was shown a long time ago, but since you used tags... Would it have been better to let her live her life as a chimera? Ed tends to overestimate his abilities. It's unlikely he would have been able to restore her. Maybe after a few years of research, but until then Nina would be stuck like that. Not exactly a pleasent fate either...
Although I don't necessary agree with Scar's methods... I believe he's an important presence in FMA. He's kinda the ultimate anti-alchemy person and he serves the purpose of reminding us that alchemy is not a 100% good thing. It's also a weapon of mass destruction that actually might be better off if it didn't exist. He's not killing everyone like a madman and without knowing the full story behind his arm, I don't think I can fully judge him. We'll see though...
I don't think it's a spoiler since that was shown a long time ago, but since you used tags... Would it have been better to let her live her life as a chimera? Ed tends to overestimate his abilities. It's unlikely he would have been able to restore her. Maybe after a few years of research, but until then Nina would be stuck like that. Not exactly a pleasent fate either...
At least she wouldve been restored though. But we all know Ed's personality. He will do anything to regain life. Look at him now. He chooses to stay with his auto-mail and his brother is forced to stay in the armor body. His brother is in the same circumstance as Nina was. He can roll over and die right now out of the misery of being in a body that does not represent him at all, not be able to taste, feel, or cry.
And yet he chooses to suffer through all this after all this time because there is a glimmer of hope that he will be restored to the way he was. It just takes time and patience and not to mention -- perserverence. Same concept goes for Nina, like you said, few years research and all those years will eventually result in regaining her old self. If Scar did not do the thing he did, maybe Nina wouldve been added on the list of reasons why Ed must endure harder in order to obtain the Phil. Stone. Which would add more fuel to the story and give Ed more drive.
Prince of Chronics
2004-02-11, 20:54
My only beef with that character is his crappy name...
My only beef with that character is his crappy name...
kind of reminds you of the Lion King, huh?
kind of reminds you of the Lion King, huh?
Oh gawd I never thought of that..O_O :twitch:
At least she wouldve been restored though. But we all know Ed's personality. He will do anything to regain life. Look at him now. He chooses to stay with his auto-mail and his brother is forced to stay in the armor body. His brother is in the same circumstance as Nina was. He can roll over and die right now out of the misery of being in a body that does not represent him at all, not be able to taste, feel, or cry.
And yet he chooses to suffer through all this after all this time because there is a glimmer of hope that he will be restored to the way he was. It just takes time and patience and not to mention -- perserverence. Same concept goes for Nina, like you said, few years research and all those years will eventually result in regaining her old self. If Scar did not do the thing he did, maybe Nina wouldve been added on the list of reasons why Ed must endure harder in order to obtain the Phil. Stone. Which would add more fuel to the story and give Ed more drive.
Alphonse can inhabit any organic construct that Edward can create once Edward perfects the craft of human alchemy. His soul is still available for transfer intact (though that might become debateable as more history is revealed).
But the Nina/Alexander chimera? Whose soul is in that creature? Nina? Alexander? Two seperate entitites or now one? That is the just the tip of the iceberg of problems the alchemist trying to restore them to their own bodies would face.
So is it better to leave them as a chimera wandering around with identity crisis and retardation for time unknown just to satisfy your personal belief that you are able to restore them?
The better question is would Nina/Alexander want to exist in that state for that time and accept the consequences of the restoration attempt?
Sometimes the kindest thing to do is distasteful which was what Scar did. He did not kill Nina/Alexander because they are a bastardization of Ishuva's will. But rather he sees it as a release for them from a torturous existence as he knows no way out for them.
Nina/Alexander chimera incident was sad. But it is a reminder that mankind has an innate evil to twist all tools for gruesome selfish purposes.
Alphonse can inhabit any organic construct that Edward can create once Edward perfects the craft of human alchemy. His soul is still available for transfer intact (though that might become debateable as more history is revealed).
But the Nina/Alexander chimera? Whose soul is in that creature? Nina? Alexander? Two seperate entitites or now one? That is the just the tip of the iceberg of problems the alchemist trying to restore them to their own bodies would face.
So is it better to leave them as a chimera wandering around with identity crisis and retardation for time unknown just to satisfy your personal belief that you are able to restore them?
The better question is would Nina/Alexander want to exist in that state for that time and accept the consequences of the restoration attempt?
Sometimes the kindest thing to do is distasteful which was what Scar did. He did not kill Nina/Alexander because they are a bastardization of Ishuva's will. But rather he sees it as a release for them from a torturous existence as he knows no way out for them.
Nina/Alexander chimera incident was sad. But it is a reminder that mankind has an innate evil to twist all tools for gruesome selfish purposes.
I never said scar killed them because it was against his God's will. He did it out of pity. I never thought of the intertwining souls concept till now but who is to say what exactly is going on in that chimera's head? I assumed that Alexander's body was used and his soul was disregarded since when Ed first intereacted with it, Nina's voice came out, not the dog. Then again who is to say whos soul was in there to begin with since we had only seen a glimpse of the chimera in about a 2-3 minute span of the ep. Bottom line is, I always think there is a way out of something if you're willing to stick it out. The research they wouldve done and the possibility of a successful retransmutation of Nina wouldve benifitted them with great data if all went well. But theres no way to tell now. I still stick by the fact that Scar had no place to do what he did.
I wouldve at least felt better if it was Nina's choice to die. But I'm left in the dark with that one.
dot|hack
2004-02-11, 22:21
I really wonder if scar will ever help out the fma and in reverse..
ShadowLady
2004-02-11, 22:28
I don't like scar either. Too me he feels like a baddy who need to be defeated (or brought back to "good") before the regular storyline can go on. because I think (hope) lust and gluttony and whatever are more important
I like scar, but I agree Lust is much cooler. Scar is neat though because he is like the anti-Ed. Both have something special with their arms, both use alchemy, both lost their homes, and both are entangled in this philosopher's stone business.
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polymath
2004-02-12, 22:26
Just a thought... what do you think Scar represents in our world? I feel that, intentional or no, the animators have made him a proxy for "terrorism". By giving an idea of what motivates him, we gain an understanding of why people might react the way they do...
Just a thought... what do you think Scar represents in our world? I feel that, intentional or no, the animators have made him a proxy for "terrorism". By giving an idea of what motivates him, we gain an understanding of why people might react the way they do...
That's a good point, but Scar leaves me to infer that he might not be willing to go through with his actions exactly. There are other times in the anime recently that shows him not knowing exactly why he was given his arm and why it makes him go against his god in the way he carries on. :hmm:
Just a thought... what do you think Scar represents in our world? I feel that, intentional or no, the animators have made him a proxy for "terrorism". By giving an idea of what motivates him, we gain an understanding of why people might react the way they do...
Sorry, but in what ways is he a terrorist? I do not see him going around killing civilians of Central just because the army massacred his people, and broadcasting the threats to do so all around.
His role now is the stereotype of a mysterious amnesiac vengeance seeker at the moment. How it will change would depends on his history and future encounters.
At the moment I think he's a pretty cool foil to the lead Edward :).
Well, from what I've seen, Lust has something to do with Scar's brother's wife/girlfriend. This, to me, seems as though eventually Scar is going to side with Ed and Al against Lust, Envy, and Gluttony. I mean... if we look at it, Lust, Envy and Gluttony are Homunculus' which means that they can only be unsummoned or destroyed by Alchemic means. They can't be "killed." Someone like Scar may be able to defeat the 3 with his funky arm with the help of Ed and Al so yeah... I have a feeling he's going to end up siding with them.
Regarding Scar's relation to the two... I don't think that Scar is blood-related to either Ed or Al so thats all good...
This is all just my opinion =)
LinChoiSin
2004-02-16, 00:27
i like Scar because he's powerful ,he doesn't have to run or play tricks to beat his opponents (but i hope Ed will still be able to defeat him) i also like the fact that he knows what he wants ,his reasons may not be very good ,he may not be clever but at least he knows what he has to do unlike too many characters nowadays!
kinda feel pity toward Scar, his tribe got almost wiped out, and somehow he ends up with the freakingly powerful arm, i'm sure if we're in his shoes, we'll go for vengeance. Imagine all those close to u were killed, how piss off will u be? And Scar actually has the power to do so. But those on his death list are alchemists who participated in the war, so i guess it's ok? Like in Kill Bill. Justified vengeance? Whatever it is, i'm sure his brother gave him the arm for another specific reason, let's see if the series will elaborate on that
dreamless
2004-02-16, 02:55
I find Scar quite cool and maybe my favorite character in FMA. He uses God to justify for his revenge but deep down he knows that the arm that enables him to get revenge is against his God's teachings. And Scar is no more troubled than Ed and Al anyway...
It seems the homunculi are modeled after some real people (though how can a real person look like glut is beyond me), like Lust looks like Scar's brother's girl, and the President's secretary looks like Ed and Al's mother...
I was wondering something. Scar said his brother gave him his cursed arm in one of the earlier episodes, do you think the same thing happended to him and his brother as what happended to Ed and AL with Ed losing his arm?
LinChoiSin
2004-02-17, 00:12
I was wondering something. Scar said his brother gave him his cursed arm in one of the earlier episodes, do you think the same thing happended to him and his brother as what happended to Ed and AL with Ed losing his arm?
i don't think so,there must be a secret between Scar's arm,besides ,Al's problem is the exact opposite of Scar's, instead of gaining a powerful arm he lost his (and also his leg)
CrimsonFury
2004-02-20, 04:36
as far as killing non alchemists they are the one's shooting at him right? well since he's human someone shots at you, you have the ability to retaliate and ensure your well being you take it. He may have a powerfull arm but a bullet to the head is the end of him. Those non-alchimsts he kills are armed Military.
Oh yeah and the Whole Nina thing, Ed tends to overestimate his abilities. Not to mention have we seen a strong soul alchemist? Would Scar even knwo of one existing when he decided to intervene? He seen the creature before him, the worst result of the alchemy he hated so much, and the person who had been the test subject was un willing and suffering.
Joining forces, as it stands ed stands for everyhting Scar hates. At this point Ed is becoming too powerfull an alchemist, and i doubt scar would aid him in becmoming any stronger then he already has. Remember this anime has sad endings, it's not everyone goes home skipping. Look at rockbell, nina it goes on and on... who's to say because Scar or even Ed for that matter won't bite the b ullet some time in this show for their belief? Ed is very unlikely but Scar isn't outta question.
Basically Scar is confused but so is everyone from what i can see but Roy Mustang, who we seen weekness in in flashbacks. Ed and Al didn't learn there leason, they still continue to try and do a taboo alcehmy? Would that not be the definaition of confusion knowing that and also trying to break the Laws of equivalent trade that they have so much faith in?
Neways watch the anime, it's good all we can do is wait.
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