[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 326 Discussion [Archive]

Zu Ra

2008-09-17, 06:19

♦ Knockdown Monster ♦

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* Continues from the last chapter, Yumichika saw Ikkaku fell down so he was about to go to him. However, Shuuhei stopped him and tried to calm Yumichika down but he wouldn’t hear any of it. Kira has to come and knock him out.

* There was a change where the pillar was destroyed. The scene started disappearing and the real Karakura roads were spearing. Po saw it then turned his attention to Ikkaku. Po said Ikkaku still has some hidden power but unfortunately he’s dead.

* Ikkaka looked up at him and said he’s not dead but Po was crushing his side and said if Ikkaku is still alive then hurry up and use the hidden power of his. Ikkaku refused to do so. He said he doesn’t have that kind of power and even if he does, he wouldn’t use it with some trash like Po.

* “Is that so…then die.” Said Po. But before he could do anything someone punched him. Ikkaku looked up and see Komamura standing in front of him. Komamura looked at the disappearing area and called Iba. Iba arrived with a bag in his arms. He opened it and there were pipe-like items. He threw them on the disappearing ground. Because of that, the fake area stopped turning to the real one. Iba said they could fight as long as this is not destroyed.

* Suddenly Iba heard laughter and saw Po was near Komamura. He complimented on the punch but still said it couldn’t be called a ‘real’ punch. With that, he pouched Komamura and he fell back for hundred of meters.

* “At last, I will show the ultimate punch! Spout air, Calderon!” . Po’s body blew up and turned into something with resemble a whale. Iba was shock to see it while Po was saying, “Ha~~~~ crushing people is such a tough job.”

Credits : Annie / SpaceCat / Zangetsu

Scep

2008-09-17, 06:27

komamura? From what i can understand..... no i don't understand anything T_T Looks interesting though, dosen't seem to be ikkaku (surprise here). But if it turns out it's his bankai second form or something like that....

ok.. the more i look at it the more i'm convinced that its komamura, and there seems to be some mention of iba as well. Pou (the arrancar) releases at the end of the chapter... its a whale... apparently. Enter some tousen/komamura talk soon i guess. Komamura was with the captains at first, so if he left the group, apparenty they realized ikkaku was going to lose... interesting.

Zu Ra

2008-09-17, 06:33

From the little we know Ikkaku is still out and Koma step in to take out Po

Hitsugaya_Toushiro

2008-09-17, 07:16

interesting.....gonna see Komamura finally pwn somebody :D ..........however i hope to finally see Iba's Shikai powers :D

Endrance

2008-09-17, 08:32

Or finally get to see him release it...everytime Iba appears his zanpakuto mysteriously has already been released off screen

Scep

2008-09-17, 08:55

hasn't iba's already been shown? Personally i doubt it'll have a effect though. If anything, he was a squad 11 member once.

Zu Ra

2008-09-17, 09:22

* Ikkaku is down for the count leaving Yumichika confused, he rushes towards him

* Hisagi attempts to stop him but Yumi keeps going, in the end Kira uses senten on him causing him to faint.

* Pou comments that he (Ikkaku) still has hidden power.Ikkaku replies that he doesn't have time to use something like that on such a dumb enemy.

* Pou is going to kill Ikkaku but is punched in the face by Komamura. Iba tries to stop the original town from returning as it has started to come back.

* Next Pou punches Komamura in the gut and sends him flying.

* He has his sword out in front of Iba. "Blow up, Calderon". He starts to get bigger, next week.

Credits : SpaceCat

Zu Ra

2008-09-17, 09:24

* Next Pou punches Komamura in the gut and sends him flying.

Koma Koma has become synonomous with word PAWNED. We might see some Iba action, but I want to see some action from the chara who is on everybody's mind Omaeda !!!

Scep

2008-09-17, 09:25

Pou punches Komamura in the gut and sends him flying.

.... oh komamura..... just when i thought you were finally going to be awesome again...

Zu Ra

2008-09-17, 09:30

Koma has a hit new low from Aizen ----> Filler Arrancar . Kubo why must you hate them Furries !!!

Endrance

2008-09-17, 11:29

So ikkaku just got a pillar destroyed and he's still not willing to use his bankai....what is wrong with the 11th squad?

Amirali

2008-09-17, 11:41

Like someone said last week, if it only takes destroying 1 pillar to return the original town...then why not send the 4 fraccion to focus on a single corner? Why split them up?

Captain Yoruichi

2008-09-17, 12:39

I hope Komamura gets back up from the punch and goes and kicks Pou's butt. ^_^

But, getting a little off topic, if the captains and vice captains are either in Hueco Mundo or the fake K-Town, who's watching the real K-Town, and who's watching Soul Society?

Amirali

2008-09-17, 12:42

Logically, the Vaizards, Urahara, Isshin, Ruuken and Yoruichi should still be in real-K-town, unless they departed before the switch. Which means that's all the protection SS has as well at the moment?

Captain Yoruichi

2008-09-17, 12:45

If the real K-Town crew is Yoruichi, Urahara, Isshin, Ryuuken, and the Vizards, that's not that bad. They may not have the numbers, but they probably have the power to make up for it.

Langus

2008-09-17, 12:57

Shit... When has Komamura ever been anything but completely useless in a fight? They should've let the VC handle this one. I actually feel bad for Ikkaku - what a blow to his pride.

Amirali

2008-09-17, 13:07

Will this chapter lend fuel to the Yumichika x Ikkaku shippers?

HiroInazuma

2008-09-17, 14:35

So ikkaku just got a pillar destroyed and he's still not willing to use his bankai....what is wrong with the 11th squad?

All of them are retards:

Yumi: I will not even use my shikai to save my life just to save myself from shame
Ikkaku: Show my bankai to defeat an opponent then get promoted?! Pfft, please....
Zaraki: CUT ME OVER AND OVER!

Seriously why did Yama hire them

Anima

2008-09-17, 14:57

I think people should give Komamura a break. It's funny tho how Pou's face is so elastic! :heh:

holypanl

2008-09-17, 15:43

interesting.....gonna see Komamura finally pwn somebody :D ..........however i hope to finally see Iba's Shikai powers :D

Komamura pwn someone?? Nah...lame.

See cos he should actually be DEAD. See, when Aizen came around and used a LVL 90+ HaDou on him he was set as a pawn character to demonstrate Aizens power, and his ruthlessness. It would have been poerfect if Komamura had died to show exactly how heartless Aizen really was, and how powerful he is seeing as his LVL 90 -without-incantation, not-even-one-third-power spell had KILLED Komura. But no...

Not only did he not die, but he GOT UP at the end and Shouted some sentimental nonsense to Tousen.

Dang. He should have died... persistent bugger...

Like someone said last week, if it only takes destroying 1 pillar to return the original town...then why not send the 4 fraccion to focus on a single corner? Why split them up?

Because, you see, then the actions of the espada would make sense, and then they would actually be doing something logical, and appearing to be cold, calculating, proper villains like they should. And not the toilet-wipes they've been showcased as so far.

Why didn't arrancar move as a unit and take out the pillars one by one? Because Kubo is too damn lazy to do an all out multi-character battle; So yet again, he lowers the arrancar wow factor by making them look stupid; and then, consistent with his previous pattern of flecking up every villain, inctroduced so far, he lets all of them get defeated.

Because Bleach is about Ichigo and his crew of battle-obsessed friends who run through every major antagonist like a searing knife through butter. There is no plot. Aizen is a villain. But what EXACTLY has he done wrong?

Ever ask yourself that? What exactly is wrong with what Aizen is doing?

He is a villain of supposed refined, S-rank priority, so to peak. And all he's done is try to escape peacefully from soul Society. But when he tries to get out without having to harm anyone, he is intercepted by Hitsugaya and co. whom he warns, in each case, more than once.

His goal: To become stronger. His powers, in themselves are not corrupt. His method of seeking to gain power, hollowification of Shinigami, does not innately cause any harm to anyone. The only reason he forms the espada and arrancar is so that he can have defenses against Soul Society who are too afraid to develop themselves to higher potential.

But they are afraid to let someone else do what they all have every freedom to do. So their prejudice, and FEAR makes them want to exterminate the source of their own insecurity.

Aizen says the "seat in the sky" is empty. In other words, there is no-one whom Soul Society needs to protect there. Aizen won't even have to kill anyone to get to this Seat in the Sky.

What is Soul Society? Its just an organization created by the current "King of Soul Society" to smash down any and all competition as he himself prepares to assume the same throne as Aizen.

I mean think about it: The King of Soul Soc. must be a Shinigami. And he's definitely at least at Aizen's level, where he has developed every part of his Shinigami potential.

Aizen is simply a man who sees no worth in all this self-limiting folly that his fellow shinigami, who can be sooo much more, choose to follow. So he tries to go higher, to where he KNOWS he can be, but everyone is too afraid of him. So, well, he says:

"Screw them." And since they always insist on getting in his way, not even nderstanding their own powers, he just decides that, well, if they insist, then I guess I'll just have to warn them, and then kill them if they persist.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Soul Soc are just self righteous bullsh*t lackies of the king of Soul Society, who is another person with the same goal as Aizen. Not so? Is there any other axplanation for his existence in the shceme of things?

He doesn't care about Soul Society; He stays up in his throne, and doesn't even bother to use his (and we all know he's really REALLY strong) nonpareil power to help anyone form SS. In fact, he evn goes so far as to leech all the most powerful shinigami form SS. They bacoem his "guards". Is this any different form the Espada who belong to Aizen? It just about availability. No shinigami will support Aizen, but he needs military force for security against SS. So, well, He just settles for the hollows...

And think about it: If Soul Soc wasn't gettoing in Aizens' way, then he wouldn't have needed to get 1000000 sould from Karakura, would he?

If everyone would just leave him alone, then HE WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS A VILLAIN!!!!

Does anyone realize that?? Aizen is not a villain. He does not, by himself, when left alone, cause negative effects on the society around him. He doesn't instigate unrest. Arrancar and Espada are completely unnnessecary without Soul Soc around. So even the Espadas are not excuse to call him 'evil'.

Aizen does not need espada in order to hollowify himself and develop his hollow powers. Soul society is afraid of him becoming strong enough to assume the "Seat in the Sky" beciase they are UNSURE and INSECURE about what he will do once he gets there.

THAT'S ALL. Plain and simple.

The only thing he ever did that qualifies as criminal is when he did testing on the members of Southern Rukongai. He vporized their souls with his hollowification experiments.

If you can, find another fault with Aizen, that would not exist if it were not for Soul Society hampering him for no reason

You can't. Know why? Cos Aizen isn't a real Villain. And bleach lacks a storyline. All kubo ever does is line up people who are completely pointless, and then have Ichigo slaughter them, pronto pronto.

But you know, AIzen has aspired to become the the real powerful being he was meant to be, a real God of Death, (Has no-one else noticed? The obvious clue as to the potential of a shinigami at his full stage of development?) and he will be exterminated. But, looking at where the story is going so far,

...Does anyone else notice that Ichigo is heading to exactly where Aizen is trying to go? Look at it: Ichigo and Aizen possess the real deal hollowification, (or in Aizen's case the knowledge of ho it works, but he hasn't done it yet) and both are high powered fighters.

Only difference? Aizen was the PIONEER. So he had to do experimentation. That's all. Due to circumstance, Aizen had no information to work with, save some notes from Urahara, who was only inetersted in the stabilization aspect of Hollowification.

Ichigo posesses the same power, and since he has a predecessor, and some people who can guide him, he doesn't NEED to do experimentation to grow. Aizen did.

That's all.

I challenge anyone to find even ONE other error with Aizen's character. ONE other evil that could have been avoided had it not been for Soul Society's narrow-minded approach to everything. Aizen is, essentially, not a villain.

Find ONE flaw.

Just one.

TeNMaN

2008-09-17, 16:21

^^ Holy take a breath man!! :D

11th squad is totally retarded and insane. I love them! :heh:

Kenpachi never said he joined 11th squad to protect and serve SS. He just joined so he could fight powerful beings and fight more!! He never has really cared about what went on in SS. Ikkaku and Yumi only joined up to follow Kenpachi, therefore they don't care either. Yachiru, I don't even need to explain. Anyone else who joined 11th squad obviously follows their lead so I'm not sure why this would surprise anyone! :eyespin:

If anyone sucks and is retarded, it's Yama-jii. Can anyone explain why the old man is such a douche bag??!! :D:heh: He is the one who sent them there knowing all of this. Yama-jii is really the reason why all of SS is screwed up!

WONDERMIKE

2008-09-17, 16:26

I don't like Yumi's bevaviour, it contradicts everything we have seen at the Ikkaku/Leones fight. But it makes clear that Ikkaku was really ready to die, it may be single-minded, but at least he stays true to his principles by dying for his beliefs(no matter how stupid they are). Komamura.. :D I hope he comes back and Iba will focus on the pillar thing. I thought that Hitsugaya would be the first captain to get involved with fraccion fights, but Komamura is even better, I'm suffering from Hitus overdose..

btw, with the Vizards in real Karakura.. I have this image of Shinji sitting on Yama's desk in my mind :heh:

TeNMaN

2008-09-17, 16:40

I don't like Yumi's bevaviour, it contradicts everything we have seen at the Ikkaku/Leones fight.:

I know, right? It seemed Ikkaku was in much more danger during that fight and Yumi was just like all calm and cool ordering his military funeral! Now, Ikkaku is fine and Yumi is all freaking out. KT is on crack with that one.

I can see Komamura bringing out his giganticus bankai soon. They said that Pou was getting larger after he released so that could set the stage for a Godzilla/Mothra super HUGENESS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!:heh:

BleachOD

2008-09-17, 17:05

Shit... When has Komamura ever been anything but completely useless in a fight?
You beat me to the punch.:heh: Ditto! BIGGER isn't always better!:p
I actually feel bad for Ikkaku - what a blow to his pride.

I don't. :uhoh:

K. O.

*SCRAM!*

Will this chapter lend fuel to the Yumichika x Ikkaku shippers?

Kowaiiiii...O_o. You read my mind. I was thinking his actions are OCC and is it because Yumi's man is danger?:uhoh:

...Does anyone else notice that Ichigo is heading to exactly where Aizen is trying to go? .

Because Bleach is about Ichigo and ...

Well I wanted to say a lot. Except I can't since I couldn't get past these words.:hyper-^v^:

I want to get happy but I know KT is a sadist with selective amnesia. He keeps forgetting Ichigo is the MAIN CHARACTER! :frustrated:
:upset:

....:uhoh: My bad...It just does that on it's own sometimes. Don't let it scare you. I am crazy...just harmless

Btw you should post more. If you do the words "Wall of text" won't be synonymous with the letters "OD":joke: and I like that "FIND ONE FLAW" :heh:

Makes me want to take you up on your offer...:p

See you around...

mugenTaichou

2008-09-17, 17:58

If anyone sucks and is retarded, it's Yama-jii. Can anyone explain why the old man is such a douche bag??!! :D:heh: He is the one who sent them there knowing all of this. Yama-jii is really the reason why all of SS is screwed up!

Remember, every society has Yama-jii, and it's ALWAYS a DOUCHE bag!!:heh::heh::heh: (random comedian moment :heh: )

TeNMaN

2008-09-17, 18:06

Remember, every society has Yama-jii, and it's ALWAYS a DOUCHE bag!!:heh::heh::heh: (random comedian moment :heh: )

LOL, nice! :heh:

wirajati

2008-09-17, 18:24

Amirali

2008-09-17, 18:26

C46 isn't any loss to humanity. But no denying, Aizen would even kill Saint Nick if it would further his plans.

Slayerx

2008-09-17, 18:56

Like someone said last week, if it only takes destroying 1 pillar to return the original town...then why not send the 4 fraccion to focus on a single corner? Why split them up?

Cause maybe destroying one pillar can only return 1/4th the town at most?
Also, there's the fact that Iba is some how capable of stopping the town from reappearing; he can likely only do so while the other pillars stand...
need more info before we jump to the conclusions...

Black-Cat-Sama

2008-09-17, 19:42

I know, right? It seemed Ikkaku was in much more danger during that fight and Yumi was just like all calm and cool ordering his military funeral! Now, Ikkaku is fine and Yumi is all freaking out. KT is on crack with that one.

I can see Komamura bringing out his giganticus bankai soon. They said that Pou was getting larger after he released so that could set the stage for a Godzilla/Mothra super HUGENESS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!:heh:

lol exactly what i was thinking (the giant vs giant battle).. but i find it cool that komamura at least came to the aid of the subordinate of the guy that was about to whopp his ass last time we saw him fight lol. and horray for IBA!!! but WTF is Nanao, i love her, my favorite VC... >,>'' she and lisa better do something crazy whent he time comes! ( i think all the female VCs shuda fought.. woulda been badarse instead of ikkaku and em, but this was the chance to see Hisagi release so eh.. it'd be better with MOMO, RANGIKU, NANAO, and ISANE standing there ready to whopp some ass at the end of the chapter where they came.. or Yachiru.. but too bad some of em got trappe din hueco

Amirali

2008-09-17, 20:22

Cause maybe destroying one pillar can only return 1/4th the town at most?

Even in that scenario, the 4 fraccion logically should go from pillar to pillar, taking them 1 at a time. Better chance to overwhelm the VCs that way instead of going one vs one.

Eh. But you're right, I should wait before jumping to conclusions. It's just that Kubo always finding excuses to split groups up for 1 vs 1 battles wears on my patience. I'll try and keep an open mind on this though.

Kyero Fox

2008-09-17, 20:28

whos punching who in the pic?

Phenomenal

2008-09-17, 20:46

Komamura and pwned is a theme now. Aizen, even Kenpachi was laughing at him.

This is a a good turn of events.

Slayerx

2008-09-17, 21:02

Even in that scenario, the 4 fraccion logically should go from pillar to pillar, taking them 1 at a time. Better chance to overwhelm the VCs that way instead of going one vs one.

Well, in that scenerio, the first VC would be in trouble but the rest would come to assistance and again even out the fight... SS had enough numbers on their side to compensate, kind like how Koma and ida have shown up to help ikakku... granted, one thing soul society should have had was grunts by each pillar to handle lesser hollows so they could take over in such a scenerio where all the REAL enemies are occupied... as they were set up, it was a bad idea for anyone to leave a pillar unguarded since a lesser hollow could just break it

Eh. But you're right, I should wait before jumping to conclusions. It's just that Kubo always finding excuses to split groups up for 1 vs 1 battles wears on my patience. I'll try and keep an open mind on this though.
Very, very true... though i still think the worst time was when they split up in HM
Ya... they really did not even try to give a GOOD reason to split up... they just went, "eh, we can handle it alone..."

Freya

2008-09-17, 21:05

Who's Iba again?

Supah Em

2008-09-17, 23:06

Who's Iba again?

Best comment ever XD

Komamura should've just died, but Kubo has this distate of killing off any of the so called 'protagonists'. Geez

9TailsOfDestruction

2008-09-17, 23:09

Who's Iba again?

Iba Tetsuzaemon is the Lieutenant of the 7th Division of the Gotei 13, under Captain Sajin Komamura. He likes to drink, like me :)

http://www.basehead.org/files/shots/1-Ruthay_Bleach_Iba_Tetsuzaemon_01.jpg

Freya

2008-09-17, 23:27

Iba Tetsuzaemon is the Lieutenant of the 7th Division of the Gotei 13, under Captain Sajin Komamura. He likes to drink, like me :)

http://www.basehead.org/files/shots/1-Ruthay_Bleach_Iba_Tetsuzaemon_01.jpg

Oh that dude.

I don't get it though. Renji has bankai they asked him to be captain. He refused right? Can't Ikkaku do the same?

WONDERMIKE

2008-09-17, 23:32

Talking about tactics, the fake Karakura itself isn't that much of a masterpiece with Aizen being able to go to SS any time he wants, all it's good for is to reduce damage to the population(but Aizen also can't just let all the souls get blown away), but this shouldn't be important enough to make you split your forces in an all open war. The most important thing is to eliminate the threat itself, so what's the point in hiding the town when it weakens your army to a point where you lose and everybody is doomed anyway?

Urahara, Tessai and Yoruichi waiting in SS is also rubbish, if the actual battle is lost it's highly unlikely for them to be able to stop Aizen on their own and Yamamoto probably doesn't know about Isshin, Ryuken(both likely to help) and the Vizard's status, btw isn't it a bit risky to transfer them to SS? Urahara knew they were around...and I wonder if Yamamoto used the key to warn the Zero division and the king, but perhaps he simply didn't just because it's against the rules :D

Very, very true... though i still think the worst time was when they split up in HM
Ya... they really did not even try to give a GOOD reason to split up... they just went, "eh, we can handle it alone..."

imo it wasn't such a bad idea after all, Kubo just didn't bother to tell us why exactly they did it this way and came up with the cheesy ritual and let Rukia look like a bra burner :p

the enemy was way to strong, so it's good to sneak around and to try not to get noticed, what you don't want to do on a release operation is to fight or get spotted, by splitting you increase your chances to accomplish the mission and this is not your typical horror movie scenario where a group is threatened by only one person, it's much more like guerilla tactics imo

-> sneak in, get the subject, run off

imagine they stayed together and met their first opponent.. one would have stopped to fight, the rest would have moved on for sure as this isn't a rpg and they couldn't afford to get discovered all at once and right away

Endrance

2008-09-17, 23:36

I don't get it though. Renji has bankai they asked him to be captain. He refused right? Can't Ikkaku do the same?

I forgot about that.....Doesnt that make ikkaku seem even more stupid

WONDERMIKE

2008-09-17, 23:52

nobody asked Renji

Langus

2008-09-18, 00:31

nobody asked Renji

Disssssssss...

Perhaps Ikkaku is scared of fighting Kenpachi. If Kenpachi thinks he's an equal he'll want a battle to the death (cause he's a little f'ed up like that). As far as I can see it, Ikkaku likes fighting alongside him too much to want to be pwned by him.

Slayerx

2008-09-18, 00:45

Disssssssss...

Perhaps Ikkaku is scared of fighting Kenpachi. If Kenpachi thinks he's an equal he'll want a battle to the death (cause he's a little f'ed up like that). As far as I can see it, Ikkaku likes fighting alongside him too much to want to be pwned by him.
if i recall, Ikkaku has stated the reason he does not want to become a captain is because he is completely devoted to Kenpachi and as such wants to stay under him... is only wish is to fight and die under his command

imo it wasn't such a bad idea after all, Kubo just didn't bother to tell us why exactly they did it this way and came up with the cheesy ritual and let Rukia look like a bra burner :p

the enemy was way to strong, so it's good to sneak around and to try not to get noticed, what you don't want to do on a release operation is to fight or get spotted, by splitting you increase your chances to accomplish the mission and this is not your typical horror movie scenario where a group is threatened by only one person, it's much more like guerilla tactics imo

-> sneak in, get the subject, run off

imagine they stayed together and met their first opponent.. one would have stopped to fight, the rest would have moved on for sure as this isn't a rpg and they couldn't afford to get discovered all at once and right away
no, that is not what i would call a case of "spliting up to be stealthy" kind of move... namely that fact that their movements lacked any kind of stealth. They just charged on in making zero attempt to hide themselves... most of them could not handle a one-on-one fight with the espada and were thus DOOMED if they encountered one (and if not for SS reinforcements, they would have been just that)... If they were gonna ignore stealth then they might as well move as a group; in which case if they run into an enemy they can rush him 5 against 1 (which was bascially the same tactic you said the fraccion should have used for the pillars); they got a lot better chance of survival as a group and if they beat the guy fast enough they can move on before reinforcements arrive; leaving some behind to fight while the others move on would remain a reserved option though... not to mention the fact that i don't recall them putting together a plan to contact each other once of them found Ori-hime; kind of an important step in ANY get in, get out, split up plan

The reason Kubo did not explain exactly why they were doing it is because he himself did not know... he knew they had to split up so he could force them into one-on-one fights, but didn't have a good explanation why... personally, i would have gone with a REAL attempt at a stelth mission by including actual stealth or go with a kind of "split them up via trap doors" kind of method (cliche', but it works)

And thinking about the HM invasion as a stealth move has made me think of one very big continuity error... Urahara, the guy who helped send them in there, and the guy who probably knew their odds of success were low, once invented a STEALTH CLOAK that even Aizen himself could not detect... it's one of those things that would have been pretty handy on a rescue mission when the enemy heavily out matches you

Endrance

2008-09-18, 00:51

Ok so i can see Yumi not wanting to show his shikai and all though its stupid but with Ikkaku couldnt he always just turn down the position of a captain or is there some law against that?

Deathscyther

2008-09-18, 05:47

Ok so i can see Yumi not wanting to show his shikai and all though its stupid but with Ikkaku couldnt he always just turn down the position of a captain or is there some law against that?

Ikkaku wants to fight in Kenpachi's squad and die under his command. And he doesn't want to be forced in the captain position (since they already lost 3 captains earlier)

kagato3

2008-09-18, 11:20

With this point:
Pou comments that he (Ikkaku) still has hidden power.Ikkaku replies that he doesn't have time to use something like that on such a dumb enemy.
Maybe the reason he's not useing his banki isn't because he wants to hide it but because it would take too long for it to warm up enuff for it to be useful?

Zu Ra

2008-09-18, 13:18

♦ Knockdown Monster ♦

* Continues from the last chapter, Yumichika saw Ikkaku fell down so he was about to go to him. However, Shuuhei stopped him and tried to calm Yumichika down but he wouldn’t hear any of it. Kira has to come and knock him out.

* There was a change where the pillar was destroyed. The scene started disappearing and the real Karakura roads were spearing. Po saw it then turned his attention to Ikkaku. Po said Ikkaku still has some hidden power but unfortunately he’s dead.

* Ikkaka looked up at him and said he’s not dead but Po was crushing his side and said if Ikkaku is still alive then hurry up and use the hidden power of his. Ikkaku refused to do so. He said he doesn’t have that kind of power and even if he does, he wouldn’t use it with some trash like Po.

* “Is that so…then die.” Said Po. But before he could do anything someone punched him. Ikkaku looked up and see Komamura standing in front of him. Komamura looked at the disappearing area and called Iba. Iba arrived with a bag in his arms. He opened it and there were pipe-like items. He threw them on the disappearing ground. Because of that, the fake area stopped turning to the real one. Iba said they could fight as long as this is not destroyed.

* Suddenly Iba heard laughter and saw Po was near Komamura. He complimented on the punch but still said it couldn’t be called a ‘real’ punch. With that, he pouched Komamura and he fell back for hundred of meters.

* “At last, I will show the ultimate punch! Spout air, Calderon!” . Po’s body blew up and turned into something with resemble a whale. Iba was shock to see it while Po was saying, “Ha~~~~ crushing people is such a tough job.”

Credits : Annie

Casshern

2008-09-18, 13:39

I can't believe this... So an unreleased fraccion defeats Ikkaku w/ shikai, but Ikkaku sais the opponent is too worthless to use bankai on? Holy crap if he's gonna talk smack then he should at least WIN! Don't use a cool line after you've LOST and FAILED and LET EVERY ONE DOWN you friggin' DISGRACE! "Oh, I don't want to be pressured into becoming a captain..." Nobody would want to make you a captain anyway, dumbass!

Why would Genryusai want to make Ikkaku a captain? So he can get his whole squad killed? Does Yama-ji have a shinigami surplus or something? Yama-ji may have made a grave error where Aizen is concerned, but like G.W.B Jr sais: "Fool me once... uh... shame on... uh... shame on you! ... *tumbleweed*... You fool me once you can't get fooled again!"

And Komamura... wth? First he gets anihilated by a single failed Kidou, granted it was Aizen performing it, and now he gets his ass kicked by an unreleased fraccion? I KNOW! Remember ep14? When the first Menos Grande appeared and Rukia said it takes a captain to defeat a menos? She must have seen Komamura fighting a gillian and having alot of trouble, therefore she assumed gillians are very strong. But actually, it was Komamura's WEAK ASS that ruined her perspective!

Seriously... how does this stuff ever make it to the printing stage? I can understand Kubo might be depressed, on drugs, drawing while drunk, having a midlife crisis, dumped by his girl etc etc... but what about his editor? How can this stuff get passed both of them?

Zu Ra

2008-09-18, 13:46

I really dont think Koma Koma can redeem himself here . Even if he goes shikai bankai and wtfpwns Po, it still stands . Taichos are an institution in themselves Koma Koma has let it down . In three hundred odd chapter of Bleach I havnt seen a Taicho getting pawned by a fraccion, take even Arrancar arc I dont remember Toshiro manhandled by an arrancar .

Yes it was a cheap shot but Koma be a furry and take it as opposed to flying 100 meters .....

Thewanderer

2008-09-18, 15:33

Langus

2008-09-18, 16:02

Cub-Sama

2008-09-18, 16:59

I don't know why everyone is bashing on Komamura he has the world strongest defence...the RSPCA, but seriously Koma is supposed to be one of the stronger Captains, Hitsu has an excuse he is a kid but Koma he has no excuse other than 'I am an animal! My mental capabilities isnt that large' the moment the punch came he should of caught it and slammed his knee into the abdomen of Pou. Ichigo would do it and I am sure lots of other captains would do something similar to what I said, even Hitsu would of stopped that punch.

Kyero Fox

2008-09-18, 18:53

Ikkaku and Renji don't want to be captains because they are extremely loyal to their captains.

I bet Iba got his bankai too. that or he's got a very nice right hook.

Langus

2008-09-18, 21:05

I wouldn't say Renji is overly loyal to Byakuya. His greatest goal in life is to defeat him so he can be an equal to Rukia.... For him Byakuya is a means to an end.

Slayerx

2008-09-18, 21:09

Ok so i can see Yumi not wanting to show his shikai and all though its stupid but with Ikkaku couldnt he always just turn down the position of a captain or is there some law against that?
Possibly not... I mean, during the flashback Urahara basically said no shimigami was allowed to withdraw from SS... knowing that, SS might be able to force someone to become a captain even if they don't want the job

Ikkaku and Renji don't want to be captains because they are extremely loyal to their captains.

Well, that's the case for Ikkaku, not so sure and rather doubtful in Renji's case...
Renji wishes to surpass Byakuya but has not expressed the same intrest of remaining loyal and always serving under him...

The reason Renji has not become a captain even though he has Bankai is due to the fact that Bankai is only ONE of the pre-reqs for becoming a captian... they also need a nomination and support from a few other captains, and there are a number of reasons why Renji would not get supported by the other captains...

First off, when it comes down to it, Renji is really rather weak, he may have Bankai but his strength is still pretty low when compared to the captains... another thing would be his rash insubordination towards the end of the SS arc; sure some captains also decided to help Ichigo and rukia, but they did so for good reasons(except kenpachi)... Renji's reason for helping was purely personal, but the captains took part because they realized that something was wrong and that their was something bigger behind Rukia's execution... Renji's actions were personal and rash, the other captains actions were more well thought out and still kept in with what was best for SS... frnakly, Renji's actions could be seen as being rather damning for him

I bet Iba got his bankai too. that or he's got a very nice right hook.

I wouldn't rule out that possibility even though we didn't get much build up for him... i mean he does have a lot of ambition for rising through the ranks, that's why he trained in kidou and was willing to leave squad 11 to become a VC... it wouldn't be hard to believe he was training hard to obtain Banaki and has actually gotten it...

Besides, unless the gotei 13 like completely falls apart in this battle, they are gonna need to start refilling those captains positions... which means we are gonna need to see some Shimigami step up and level up to captain.

WONDERMIKE

2008-09-18, 21:39

another good reason for him not becoming a Captain: He's the shortest-serving Vice, remember he got promoted the same day Bleach started.

imo the current open spots and the ones that may appear after the war should be rather filled by the Vizards, Urahara or Yoruichi.. with so many capable individuals Kubo could even kill of the Captain Commander

Slayerx

2008-09-18, 21:45

another good reason for him not becoming a Captain: He's the shortest-serving Vice, remember he got promoted the same day Bleach started.

eh, not really... i mean yes he hasn't served as VC for very long, but thats no reason to keep from being a captain as being a VC is not even a prereq... urahara for instance was promoted up from 3rd seat

imo the current open spots and the ones that may appear after the war should be rather filled by the Vizards, Urahara or Yoruichi.. with so many capable individuals Kubo could even kill of the Captain Commander

I can second that notion... assuming the vizards don't join Aizen's side for what ever reason... i REALLY don't want to see that happen... but i can't help but feel that's direction we are moving in

Amirali

2008-09-19, 00:17

Ikkaku and Renji don't want to be captains because they are extremely loyal to their captains.

I wouldn't say Renji is overly loyal to Byakuya. His greatest goal in life is to defeat him so he can be an equal to Rukia.... For him Byakuya is a means to an end.

Loyal is probably the wrong word to use here. But I don't think Renji would want to be shifted, till he's proved he's on the same level. Renji's pride would not allow him to accept the captaincy if he felt Byakuya looked down on him as unworthy.

regarding the current fight, I hope Komamura stays back and lets Iba handle it. While Iba doesn't get much publicity, him, Yachiru and Matsumoto are the only VCs we've never seen defeated. Not yet sure if that's just coincidence, or if they really are the cream of the crop.

Kyero Fox

2008-09-19, 00:27

I wouldn't say Renji is overly loyal to Byakuya. His greatest goal in life is to defeat him so he can be an equal to Rukia.... For him Byakuya is a means to an end.

Equal to Rukia? Um Rukia doesn't have Bankai, there for Renji > Rukia

also Bayakuya doesn't look down at him, remember what he said? "That time... your fang reached me" or somethin like that.

Zu Ra

2008-09-19, 00:58

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cloak_and_dagger

2008-09-19, 01:14

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Soul Soc are just self righteous bullsh*t lackies of the king of Soul Society, who is another person with the same goal as Aizen. Not so? Is there any other axplanation for his existence in the shceme of things?

Your not having an explanation for his existence does not give you the right to classify him, especially since the series isn't finshed.

And think about it: If Soul Soc wasn't gettoing in Aizens' way, then he wouldn't have needed to get 1000000 sould from Karakura, would he?

Umm that was his only option to get the Key to kill the king...he couldn't get it from Yamajii.

Zu Ra

2008-09-19, 01:17

* Po is taller than Koma Koma atleast by a feet

* Ikkaku is pretty badly hurt lying under debris

* Iba had something strange and interesting in the bag.

* Pillars are massive and the Pillar will be most likely repaired

* Yumi reaction to Ikkaku was indeed priceless ♥

* Kubo drew backgrounds, so it really feels like fake Karakura

* Koma Koma threw a wicked punch and had his 15 seconds of cool

* Po threw even more wicked, full frontal punch NO ELEMENT OF SUPRISE

* Yes Koma Koma did indeed fly 100s of meters

* Iba is in the equation, its mostly likely a three way battle featuring Iba

People still going Duh who is Ibaa DuuuuuuuuuuuH ?click (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lc0dd1a09978e076dc46258fo4.jpg)

Bokkin

2008-09-19, 01:18

Find ONE flaw.

Just one.

He kidnapped Orihime. She has nothing to do with his plan he just wanted her powers for his amusement. To me kidnapping is a flaw and its illegal. He also hollowfied on all of the now vizards as experiments outside of the few other people he hollowfied and the he framed Urahara who was harmlessly doing his own experimentation. Aizen the stole Urahara's research for his own gain rather doing it himself. I don't know why you glorify him so much. He kidnaps steals frames experiments without consent on others and kills for his own gain aren't all of those flaws not to mention selfish. I won't disagree with you that all that is done is line up villains for Ichigo to knock down, but to me I like seeing Ichigo knock people down. He is pretty much selfless and willing to throw his life away for his friends. Oh and by the way another flaw is he is going to kill an entire town just for his own gain. I'd say that's worth preventing and killing him for. He's asking for an ass kicking and I hope Ichigo delivers it.

Kyero Fox

2008-09-19, 01:45

pfft, that big freak hasn't even seen doggies Bankai XD

HayashiTakara

2008-09-19, 02:35

another snoozer... Zzzz

WONDERMIKE

2008-09-19, 03:16

eh, not really... i mean yes he hasn't served as VC for very long, but thats no reason to keep from being a captain as being a VC is not even a prereq... urahara for instance was promoted up from 3rd seat

right, but he most likely had more experience at that point, not to mention he held responsibility for the nest as a 3rd seat, where he had to watch over Mayuri.. so what exactly are Renji's duties? Hisagi for example got at least that newspaper job :D

my point: Renji is the greenhorn in the VCs club, his only ace is a recently achieved bankai, and imo his Shikai should be more useful in case he combats against one of his colleagues.. currently he is one big step(= to prove his bankai is useful and he is able to control it properly) away from being taken into consideration. It's sad Kubo probably has forgotten about it, he gave Renji a power-up he's not able to handle. Btw, what happened with Ichigo's bankai control? The first time he used it he crippled himself by simply jumping around in this state, but this was never mentioned ever again :D

for the chapter:

the description sounded more dramatic, Koma isn't affected at all and we have seen Ichigo being kicked through the whole town frequently, I thought it was somehow more serious.. Tenken is the perfect tool to show moby dick how to crush stuff :D

iamthatguy

2008-09-19, 04:05

Fast release = fast death.

Ryuuken

2008-09-19, 04:14

Ever ask yourself that? What exactly is wrong with what Aizen is doing?

oh lol... every good villain has ambitions, which aren't evil
what defines a villain are the methodes he/she uses to get there

to answer this short:
- manipulating shinigamis so that they die, while conducting hollow experiements (vaizard, kaien, other...)
- killing room 46
- then act as room 46 and make decisions, while of course casting kyouka suigetsu
- killing hinamori (almost)
- saying to hitsugaya that he should have chopped hinamori into tiny unrecognizable pieces
- killing hitsugaya (almost)
- almost killing everyone who opposes at sokyoku hill

now do I have to go on...

- planning to kill an enitre city
- order minions to kill others
kill kill kill =P

@ chapter:
I kinda like komamura... he will defeat this arrancar. this may be fun.
but maybe he will see ichigo instead =P

Casshern

2008-09-19, 04:35

my point: Renji is the greenhorn in the VCs club, his only ace is a recently achieved bankai, and imo his Shikai should be more useful in case he combats against one of his colleagues.. currently he is one big step(= to prove his bankai is useful and he is able to control it properly) away from being taken into consideration. It's sad Kubo probably has forgotten about it, he gave Renji a power-up he's not able to handle.
Which power-up do you mean?

Rawrz

2008-09-19, 05:07

I really wonder which shinigami will kill which arrancar with which power-up next week? When will this manga get rid of this weekly wrestling show storyline? I thought something interesting happened for once with Ikkaku going down.Guess the ultra-creative writer thought that people cant take another Ikkaku bankai killing another arrancar and chose komamura to defeat him instead.

Ryuuken

2008-09-19, 07:27

will be interesting... challenging komamura to a who is bigger, who has the better punch competition
Kokujo Tengen Myou will defeat him I say =D

It's sad Kubo probably has forgotten about it, he gave Renji a power-up he's not able to handle.

lol forgotten...
Maybe I wonder wants going on in your heads, questioning and criticizing kubo tite and the bleach storyline
don't watch/read it when you don't like it... it won't change =P
it is all about strong opposing characters and fighting, most of the time... it's a shonen manga =o

Goshin

2008-09-19, 08:26

i think he just doesn't want kenpachi to know that he is strong cause kenpahi would probably want to fight him.

HayashiTakara

2008-09-19, 08:50

Anima

2008-09-19, 08:59

I also found the chapter interesting. Komamura was standing still not saying a word. I think he was assessing his opponent strength when he took that punch so willingly. As much as I'd like to see the proposed giants fight it will be the killing blow for any redemption left for Komamura.

If a VC can beat a fraccion in his release form and a captain can't do it but only with bankai then there is something wrong with this captain. Given how KT has been matching similar opponents together (like beauty vs. beauty, heavy feathers vs. heavy sword) I'd say most likely we are gonna see Komamura's bankai which I find it be cool anyway.

holypanl

2008-09-19, 09:20

whoa wait a minute, aizen had not inflicted damages? unless the total massacre of C46 was just an illusion, yeah why not hand aizen the throne in silver plate? but really, the real villain always kill with someone else knives, it is so "wonderful" aizen tells this many time to Gin with a smirking face :eyebrow:

no comment...

C46 isn't any loss to humanity. But no denying, Aizen would even kill Saint Nick if it would further his plans.

And there we have it: the point! Did anyone even feel sorry for C46 when they died? Nope...

not me...

Stuck up old cowardly fools hiding behind rice paper cos they're weaklings...

I really dont think Koma Koma can redeem himself here . Even if he goes shikai bankai and wtfpwns Po, it still stands . Taichos are an institution in themselves Koma Koma has let it down . In three hundred odd chapter of Bleach I havnt seen a Taicho getting pawned by a fraccion, take even Arrancar arc I dont remember Toshiro manhandled by an arrancar .

Yes it was a cheap shot but Koma be a furry and take it as opposed to flying 100 meters .....

My thoughts exactly. A Cpatain should NOT have to use Bankai on a Fraccion. Koma is WEAK. Case closed. And Kubo needs to stop downgrading the captains. He should NEVER have drawn in that part about Ikkaku being asked to be a CAPTAIN(???!!!). It seriously lowers the percieved standards that Soul Soc holds for Captains.

I mean...you have someone like Kira...waiting to bloom...and yet Kubo goes and give Bankai to whom? Ikkaku...Bull.

I think everyone would like it if, during this fight, everyone is losing, (which should happen, seeing ans AIZEN, Tousen, GIN, STARK and HALIBEL are all there...) and then Kira gets all emo again, and just Shyunpo-sneaks up behind Barragan and says something cool like...

"You think you're a King, I see."

And then POW!!! He strikes the throne with his shikai like four times, and Barragan is caught off guard and the throne falls like a paperweight; Then toward the end of the chapter you see Kira standing over Barragan, who had fallen from his throne, about to Behead him with All of Halibel's Fraccion pointing their swords at Kira's neck.

Kira: "So You'd give your lives for this king?"
Fraccion: "*shrug*...Halibel's Orders."

In a flash, Barragan is beheaded...and the last panel shows: Kira standing in the middle of all the defending Fraccion, looking unperturbed, and muttering:

Kira: "Bankai..."

And then these huge Guillotines with chains attached to them bind all the Fraccion and then... CHOP!!!

Ultra Cool Beheading.

Now tell me that would NOT be cool. You can't. Cos it would. And then after that, KIRA should be asked to become a Captain.

If that happens, then the "WOWOMG" factor of Soul Soc wold be raised to ...5000%... 0.o

But we all know that Something like this would never happen, though Kira was et up to be one of the more calm, level-headed, Byakuya-type potential characters. Kubo is more interested in All out, crazy, pointless, retarded, battle obsessed characters. So...well, Kira's spotlight moment will go to waste...

another good reason for him not becoming a Captain: He's the shortest-serving Vice, remember he got promoted the same day Bleach started.

imo the current open spots and the ones that may appear after the war should be rather filled by the Vizards, Urahara or Yoruichi.. with so many capable individuals Kubo could even kill of the Captain Commander

I agree. The Vaizards SHOULD become captains. This would serve to re-right to flaw with the captains all looking weak. Shinji would be an Awesome Captain. I really want Urahara to return, too. It would serve as a great apology on Soul Soc.'s part.

And, point blank: Hyori-fukutaichou doing a bankai, and being shown as a Captain level VAIZARD!!???? TAHT WOULD BE TEH AWESHIZZ!! AND DON't DENY IT!!!!!

Your not having an explanation for his existence does not give you the right to classify him, especially since the series isn't finshed.

Umm that was his only option to get the Key to kill the king...he couldn't get it from Yamajii.

I think that was what I said. :rolleyes:. Remember Kids: 'When you have nothing to say, have a nice cup of sh... ;)'

He kidnapped Orihime. She has nothing to do with his plan he just wanted her powers for his amusement. To me kidnapping is a flaw and its illegal. He also hollowfied on all of the now vizards as experiments outside of the few other people he hollowfied and the he framed Urahara who was harmlessly doing his own experimentation. Aizen the stole Urahara's research for his own gain rather doing it himself. I don't know why you glorify him so much. He kidnaps steals frames experiments without consent on others and kills for his own gain aren't all of those flaws not to mention selfish. I won't disagree with you that all that is done is line up villains for Ichigo to knock down, but to me I like seeing Ichigo knock people down. He is pretty much selfless and willing to throw his life away for his friends. Oh and by the way another flaw is he is going to kill an entire town just for his own gain. I'd say that's worth preventing and killing him for. He's asking for an ass kicking and I hope Ichigo delivers it.

Oh yeah... the Orihime thing applies :). Guess I was wrong about him being totally circumstantially flawed...

But Aizen didn't steal Urahara's Research: Urahara left his research behind. It wasn't actually wrong for Aizen to use the research.

But yeah...I read the other guy above's post, and they fact that he said he should have 'cut Momo into tiny pieces'...yeah, I found that to be kinda sick...:twitch:

But hey: Here's to the Vaizards being introduced into the storyline with a total WOW entrance :D...hopefully...

I seriously hope Bleach doesn't get to the irreparable stage like Naruto has. I've pretty much given up on Naruto.

Ryuuken

2008-09-19, 10:26

Koma is WEAK. Case closed.

leadership does not incorporate incredible battle strengh

also: This is a fraccion of the number 1 arrancar

I think Komamura is stronger than for example hitsugaya by far so... he's not that weak

but it doesn't even matter anyway

story related conflicts are about emotional content
not bloody mass kills, this isn't RL =P

I've pretty much given up on Naruto.

sadly, I had to, too =/

Thewanderer

2008-09-19, 10:32

This is a fraccion of the number 1 arrancarWe don't know that yet =D

Kotengu

2008-09-19, 11:46

I think Aizen is the best villan I've seen since Vomorav(fft) or Kefka(ff6). Both were crazy back stabbing killers, thou Kefka was funny about it. I like villans who aren't like Sehpiroth. I don't want some uber powered guy to just stand up and beat down the hero till he's strong enough. Ruthlessness seems much more harsh when it's backed by proper cunning. If you can get people to kill themselves why do it yourself? How many people has Aizen acutally fought himself? If on top of that, if he's acutally powerful than cool. If the only reason he's strong is thru manipulation and stealing the power of others then even cooler. I mean his bankai sets the tone for his character off the bat. I'm surprised that the Hollows are following his lead. Especially if the first is so much more powerful than everyone else. I would just take for myself if it were to escalate this far.

Ryuuken

2008-09-19, 13:27

Endrance

2008-09-19, 14:24

I also still think that "the eye" we saw, when Aizen was rescued from SS using negacion, is in fact Barragan as arrancar now, the most powerful hollow there was, now a arrancar

just a feeling =P ... which is also supported by the fact that Aizen said his top 3 would defeat all taichous...

That doesnt really make barragan the strongest and also i dont think he is by the way the others reacted to him taking charge

holypanl

2008-09-19, 15:14

We don't know that yet =D

True, we don't. In fact, there's more proof at this point to indicate that Stark is actually Number One. Followed by Halibel. Lol. That's cool, cos everyone say's Stark is just like me...I don't believe it, but they say he acts exactly like me...I'm not THAT lazy...

I think Aizen is the best villan I've seen since Vomorav(fft) or Kefka(ff6). Both were crazy back stabbing killers, thou Kefka was funny about it. I like villans who aren't like Sehpiroth. I don't want some uber powered guy to just stand up and beat down the hero till he's strong enough. Ruthlessness seems much more harsh when it's backed by proper cunning. If you can get people to kill themselves why do it yourself? How many people has Aizen acutally fought himself? If on top of that, if he's acutally powerful than cool. If the only reason he's strong is thru manipulation and stealing the power of others then even cooler. I mean his bankai sets the tone for his character off the bat. I'm surprised that the Hollows are following his lead. Especially if the first is so much more powerful than everyone else. I would just take for myself if it were to escalate this far.

Ummm...we've never seen Aizen's Bankai...Just Shikai...

Don't start getting ahead of the Author... And Sephiroth type villains are the greatest!!

Byakuya would have made a fine, upstanding, role-model villain. But he's a great Soul Soc. plus, too. So...

Langus

2008-09-19, 15:20

Oh lord... the Yum/Ika shippers are going to LOVE this chapter.

Poor guy though. He should've taken that 3rd or 4th seat position. Maybe then they wouldn't have pwn'd his ass so bad. No love for the Yumi... No respect at all.

WONDERMIKE

2008-09-19, 17:36

lol forgotten...
Maybe I wonder wants going on in your heads, questioning and criticizing kubo tite and the bleach storyline
don't watch/read it when you don't like it... it won't change =P
it is all about strong opposing characters and fighting, most of the time... it's a shonen manga =o

It's just frustrating to see Renji with a bankai but yet unable to make good use of it, every enemy makes fun of him, where's the point in that? You can't use him for your "it is all about strong opposing characters and fighting, most of the time... it's a shonen manga =o"-part anymore, just in case this is all bleach is about.

btw, isn't it funny how Barragan went from "I send my dragons to crush those ants" to "meh 1 pillar down.." :D I can't wait for Halibel's next comment ;)

and yeah, I don't think Komamura needs his bankai, but perhaps he is furious enough to go all out.. note: he is not gentle like Touse hrhr

Jays

2008-09-19, 18:02

It's game over for our friend next chapter when Koma Koma goes Bankai and teach us the new meaning of "OMG H4X!!!".

Seriously, it's almos too easy how Kubo is setting up these guys like pylons just so that the shinigami can tear them a new asshole. For the most part I was disappointed to see Koma Koma being used on a cannon fodder. But then again he'll just up like all those other three, being taught a lesson through ownage, only this time it's hella huge.

Thewanderer

2008-09-19, 18:35

Anyone think that Komamura might own this guy with just Shikai? It's poasible and all. Unlikely, but possible. He's a Captain, and a 5th seat(who's Lt level) beat one of these guys with a Shikai.

Bankai would be a lot cooler though.

Cub-Sama

2008-09-19, 18:56

Less fighting! More drama and plot development, I swear with Bleach it is just one brawl after another, it has lost it's drama, I mean SSBB had much more of a story line

Thewanderer

2008-09-19, 19:24

Less fighting! More drama and plot development, I swear with Bleach it is just one brawl after another, it has lost it's drama, I mean SSBB had much more of a story lineQuoted for truth, son. Quoted for truth.

Fighting isn't everything, even in a fighting anime.

Hiking_Bear

2008-09-19, 22:40

Captain Komamura is so cute. I want to pet him and give him a biscuit or a nice rawhide bone to chew on.

Black-Cat-Sama

2008-09-19, 22:49

Equal to Rukia? Um Rukia doesn't have Bankai, there for Renji > Rukia

also Bayakuya doesn't look down at him, remember what he said? "That time... your fang reached me" or somethin like that.

back when Rukia was adopted... thats how Renji feels he needs to be equal to her...Byakuya said it during their fight that the difference between him and renji is CLASS. something Rukia gained when she became a kuchiki...plain and simple is u ask me. and Rukia doesn't have bankai, but renji sucks at kidou... and u forget lol he's renji.. he always loses...

and Byakuya had no right to talk that fight lol, that ur fang reached me means Renji was getting better and Byakuya accepted him,. but i dont think as an equal.. jsut a subordinate that he can count on... and that has proved to get better... but i mean we cant trust byakuya anymore.. "You wont get me on one knee renji", 5 minutes later he's on one knee, cuz he slipped from shock of the bankai coming from the ground...

ruote

2008-09-20, 00:08

I'm starting to hate Ikkaku, he's so full of himself, and selfish.
That fraccion was funny though... 'not bad shinigami... or are you a dog?" pftt

kk2extreme

2008-09-20, 00:46

i always have more respect for ikkaku than renji, cuz he is the gar character in bleach, even ichigo looks like a girl in front of him :heh:.

Seraphis

2008-09-20, 02:19

Gah, the fraccion turning huge is just walking right into death by Koma's shikai or bankai.

Bokkin

2008-09-20, 05:03

But Aizen didn't steal Urahara's Research: Urahara left his research behind. It wasn't actually wrong for Aizen to use the research.

Ummm, wrong. Urahara hid the hoguyoku in Rukia for safe keeping and Aizen stole it to create his arrancar. Even if it was just Urahara leaving it behind its still Aizen's fault because he forced Urahara to leave by framing him for the hollowfication experiments. Either way Aizen's actions put the hoguyoku and related research in his hands. Framing is wrong and then making them go into hiding and using their work for personal gain is wrong too. Either way Aizen's a douche I can't wait for him to die.

MidnightViper88

2008-09-20, 05:12

Aizen's too cocky as a "man behind the curtain" kind of person; I wanna see him get pushed into an actual fight from someone like Yamamoto or Shinji...

Kaze

2008-09-20, 06:41

Aizen's too cocky as a "man behind the curtain" kind of person; I wanna see him get pushed into an actual fight from someone like Yamamoto or Shinji...

But that's why he's so annoying, he plans everything so he doesn't get pushed straight into that actual fight.
He let's others do that for him.

Endrance

2008-09-20, 10:06

If anyone should fight aizen i want it to be yama they just seem alike in a way

off topic did anyone else notice that Barragan looks exactly like one of the central 46 member right down to his eye i just happened to notice that:heh:

MidnightViper88

2008-09-20, 11:00

The only people Aizen has really fought against have been easily overcome because they're n00bs to the timeline of the Soul Society (Hitsugaya, Komamura, Renji, and Ichigo); Someone like Yamamoto who has centuries of shinigami experience over Aizen would probably be better fit as Aizen's end...

Or if you want to get poetic, Aizen's former Captain-now-Vizard Shinji would be a great act of retribution; Aizen turned Shinji into a half-hollow and now Shinji will use his Vizard powers to take Aizen down in a " *Mask on* Remember me?" reunion to the death... :D

Anyway, with this chapter, all I hear is "Komamura got pwnt; Kicked and banned, worthless!", but there's probably a formulaic reason why Komamura would come in at this point in the first place...He wouldn't jump onto the scene, get his ass kicked, and just disappear like that...It seems like the fights are fought based on similar strengths, so it would be fitting for Po, who's power seems to enlarge himself to great proportions (As if he already isn't at a great proportion), would go up against Komamura, whose zanpakuto can pretty much do the same thing for him...

Besides, Komamura needs some spotlight time...His fight with Kenpachi got interrupted, and he gets #90'd pretty pathetically by Aizen; He needs something good to add to his resume...And I don't think he needs bankai to do it, like some people are thinking he'll do; His shikai creates over-sized body parts where his bankai just creates a full-bodied giant of his shikai...If Komamura can force a great punch on Po with just his bare fist, then surely he can own ass with just shikai... ;)

BleachOD

2008-09-20, 11:08

Cub-Sama

2008-09-20, 11:15

Ryuuken

2008-09-20, 14:27

It's just frustrating to see Renji with a bankai but yet unable to make good use of it, every enemy makes fun of him, where's the point in that? You can't use him for your "it is all about strong opposing characters and fighting, most of the time... it's a shonen manga =o"-part anymore, just in case this is all bleach is about.

btw, isn't it funny how Barragan went from "I send my dragons to crush those ants" to "meh 1 pillar down.." :D I can't wait for Halibel's next comment ;)

and yeah, I don't think Komamura needs his bankai, but perhaps he is furious enough to go all out.. note: he is not gentle like Touse hrhr

On that note, I can recall something a friend of mine said about bleach and renji.
He said that he personally like renji the most because he has a good character and spirit, he develops strength but yet fails and loses. In that way he is a very honest and believable character... as in reality we all DO fail and face difficult conflicts

Also... his teamwork with Ishida against Syazel, blowing himself up... I find it really awesome
As ishida stated: you can only perform this ("Sprenger") if you got someone you can rely on. And thats what renji is.

So a character has not to "win", as long as he has the spirit.

Quote: "In great attempts it is glorious even to fail."

Quoted for truth, son. Quoted for truth.

Fighting isn't everything, even in a fighting anime.

But at the moment, we are pretty much on WAR, so... =P
just for the moment it may continue

Langus

2008-09-20, 14:56

kk2extreme

2008-09-20, 15:02

I wonder if it was intentional...

dang it how come i didnt notice it when i was reading it :heh:

Amirali

2008-09-20, 16:40

Random: Does this look sort of er...:uhoh:
The veins and the head ...:uhoh: You know what I am trying to say right? KT is a perv:heh:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Phallic-ky-1.jpg

Thank you for the warning. I will keep far away from this chapter. First Charlotte Longhorn and now this. from fangirl faves Ulquiorra and Grimmjow, to the horrific Charlotte and Po ....the beauty level has fallen :(.

Monkey D. Luffy

2008-09-20, 22:36

With Komamura and Iba having to step in, granted probably mostly just to stop the expansion of the real Karakura Town and being punched halfway across the town, it looks like Po is finally changing the mold. Taking out Ikkaku is one thing but doing that is another. I think he will eventually lose, but having a Captain have to confront one Fraccion while there might be more like him in terms of power and the top Three Espadas back on the main scene just goes to show that the clash between the Shinigami and the Arrancar should be very good. Also, that it should have already been going underway.

BleachOD

2008-09-21, 09:09

dang it how come i didnt notice it when i was reading it :heh:
Don't be too hard on yourself. It's just my favorite flavor....so I know it when I see it.:p

MidnightViper88

2008-09-21, 09:57

dang it how come i didnt notice it when i was reading it :heh:

Because, you and I, weren't thinking about the male anatomy when going through those panels...

I worry for those that did, though...Makes you wonder where their minds really are... :p

BleachOD

2008-09-21, 10:43

Because, you and I, weren't thinking about the male anatomy when going through those panels...

I worry for those that did, though...Makes you wonder where their minds really are... :p

It was hard to miss.:uhoh: His head swelled right in front of me.:heh:

My mind is in the gutter! (I am a freak) :naughty:

MidnightViper88

2008-09-21, 12:28

It was hard to miss.:uhoh: His head swelled right in front of me.:heh:

My mind is in the gutter! (I am a freak) :naughty:

Well, you're a gal, so that might be understandable...However, for the guys, it's completely unacceptable... :p

Langus

2008-09-21, 12:35

What? Come on! You're telling me you DIDN'T turn your head to the side and go "Is that what I think it is?" Give me a break! :D

MidnightViper88

2008-09-21, 16:15

What? Come on! You're telling me you DIDN'T turn your head to the side and go "Is that what I think it is?"

Nouwp

Did you guys that had thoughts of Ponis get nosebleeds, out of curiosity? :p

Amirali

2008-09-21, 16:25

More like shudders of disgust. It was a hard to miss though. Guess I'm too accustomed to teen movie humor. I just hope Po's release abilities don't have any innuendo attached, but given the gross out powers szayel got, I wouldn't be surprised.

On an another topic , it was rather odd seeing all the captains so surprised at a loss of Ikkaku, a mere number 3. Add in that it was irregular for a number 3 to be part of the elite VC ighting squad to begin with. Most telling, Hisagi thought Yamachika would have no shot against a fraccion who beat Ikkaku. This despite Yamachika royally owning VC Hisagi in SS with his hax shikai.

Despite all Ikkaku's claims of keeping his powers well-hidden, I wonder if SS has an inkling of his true level? If so, this loss might catalyze some captain giving him a stern talking to...

What? Come on! You're telling me you DIDN'T turn your head to the side and go "Is that what I think it is?" Give me a break! :D

Yes, I saw it. I'm not sure whether this was worse, or Charlotte Longhorn's release.

Langus

2008-09-21, 16:28

Nouwp

Did you guys that had thoughts of Ponis get nosebleeds, out of curiosity? :p

*Pats you on the head* Go run along to the playground now dearie :heh:

MidnightViper88

2008-09-21, 16:33

I'm surprised that Yumichika went into such shock over Ikkaku's defeat by Po when he was so ready to prepare a military funeral when he thought Ikkaku would be defeated by Edorad...

Amirali

2008-09-21, 16:42

Might just have been making a brave face for Keigo. The first rule for any emergency personnel is to act cool in front of civilians. Besides, compared to Yamachika's usual light-hearted behavior, his excessive somberness for the Ikkaku Edorad fight shows he was troubled. If anything, I'd say he was deliberately preparing himself by talking callously about Ikkaku's chances.

But on that occasion, he had time to brace himself. Ikkaku's crash this chapter came as a complete shock to him.

Highman

2008-09-21, 19:54

I'm surprised that Yumichika went into such shock over Ikkaku's defeat by Po when he was so ready to prepare a military funeral when he thought Ikkaku would be defeated by Edorad...

Ikkaku is one of my favorite characters, man he would stop such being priss and show em how real bankai.....................................Tell ya the truth I havent check on the Bleach Japanese Manga, yet!

f4nt4

2008-09-22, 11:59

Ikkaku has too much pride to release his bankai, cause the other tower guardians can beat their respective opponent with their shikai. It does look stupid and arrogant cause he let himself got beaten and the tower almost destroyed for that, but that's why i like him (and others from squad 11). Pride and good fights over everything else -including duty-.

Casshern

2008-09-22, 12:52

Pride and good fights over everything else -including duty-.

...including 1 million lives... gotcha. One million lives are a good trade-off for a single decent fight. That makes perfect sense.

Thewanderer

2008-09-22, 13:13

...including 1 million lives... gotcha. One million lives are a good trade-off for a single decent fight. That makes perfect sense.Sense when does Ikkaku care? As long as he has Yumichika, he's fine:heh:

DjTrizz

2008-09-22, 14:46

oh sweet Jesus of Latter Day Saints...

all this "d00m" calling cause Capt. Eatsyourface took one hit, how about we don't jump the shark till the next chapter when we actually see more...

Casshern

2008-09-22, 15:11

Sense when does Ikkaku care? As long as he has Yumichika, he's fine:heh:
Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make.

There's a limit to how careless, selfish, arrogant and stupid a character can be. You can't disregard every one else's efforts for your ego. That kind of person is worthless. He disregarded a million lives rather than fight at full strength against an opponent he already lost against, and ironically he was actually saved by someone else. He doesn't even have the dignity to acknowledge the opponent that beat him. Anyone would have been happy to find an opponent that they can go all-out on.

Kubo really messed up with this one. Apparently Ikkaku is too proud to use bankai in that situation. But on the other hand, dying in a place like that at the hands of an opponent like Po no less, is perfectly fine. A very good death. Very respectable. Ikkaku must have felt proud to die in such a way, since he had already accepted this fate. Because hey, nobody wants a pityfull death, right? Well, Ikkaku obviously didn't feel that being killed by Po was pityfull at all...

What if Kenpachi hadn't fought at full strength against Nnoitra? He could've just enjoyed the fight for as long as possible, since that's his philosophy, and then died along with everyone else. Kenpachi proved that even he will fight at full power if victory is imperative. In trying to immitate Kenpachi, Ikkaku has become a misguided idiot. Po may look like a dick, but at least he won.

And Yumichika is no better, since he admited he would not have used his shikai if it was visible to others. As far as I'm concerned Kubo ruined these two characters. In my view they might as well join Aizen since, at this point, they are both equal to scum.

Sorry about the rant... just not pleased with what Kubo is doing atm.

Amirali

2008-09-22, 15:38

And Yumichika is no better, since he admited he would not have used his shikai if it was visible to others. As far as I'm concerned Kubo ruined these two characters. In my view they might as well join Aizen since, at this point, they are both equal to scum.
Or it could just be that even Yamachika and Ikkaku know their fights are pointless, because the captains can intercede if they're losing.

I'll give Yamachika the benefit of the doubt myself. He did tell Charlotte he wouldn't have used shikai openly, but he might simply have been posturing. It's easy to make cool statements about your ideals after kicking the enemy's ass. When he was really desperate, he didn't hesitate to go shikai against Hisagi, even though he had no guarantee Hisagi wouldn't spread the word.

DjTrizz

2008-09-22, 15:39

::shrugs:: some people would rather stand by their pride as foolish as it may be *points to a certain Saiyan Prince*

Formely_anon

2008-09-22, 15:41

*snip*

Sorry about the rant... just not pleased with what Kubo is doing atm.

Your arguement doesn't hold water. You said that Ikkaku was too much like Kenpachi.Too much like Kenpachi doesn't exist. I will never believe it.

Anyway there is a precedent for Ikkaku being too eager to throw away his life isn't there?

Amirali

2008-09-22, 15:43

True, that's exactly what Kenpachi told him after he beat him. Ikkaku is probably crazier than Zaraki in that sense.

Casshern

2008-09-22, 16:14

Or it could just be that even Yamachika and Ikkaku know their fights are pointless, because the captains can intercede if they're losing.
...
I don't see how they can have the liberty to take risks with the pillars. Tetsuzaemon rebuilt it in the nick of time. Ikkaku had only just been defeated and the real Karakura was already reappearing. What if they hadn't made it in time? I expect that the real Karakura will appear almost inevitably in the course of the story, but Ikkakus's actions still aren't in line with his comrades.

Also, just because he has back-up, how does it justify Ikkaku not fighting to win? If he's not fighting to win why is he there in the first place?

Your arguement doesn't hold water. You said that Ikkaku was too much like Kenpachi.Too much like Kenpachi doesn't exist. I will never believe it.

Anyway there is a precedent for Ikkaku being too eager to throw away his life isn't there?
It's like Amirali just said Ikkaku is probably crazier than Zaraki in that sense. What I said was that in trying to follow Zaraki's path Ikkaku's become a misguided fool. Do you really think there is any excuse not to fight at full strength against Po?

And what is the precedent for Ikkaku to throw his life away? Zaraki told him to live on and keep fighting. How does he keep fighting if he just lets Po kill him? Also, if he really does have a precedent to throw his life away, why does he choose to do it at Gotei13's most crucial battle where there are others depending on him? If he wants to die he should die by himself, not risk another million.

Langus

2008-09-22, 16:54

Perhaps he's deluded himself into thinking that if he dies in battle against Aizen it will be a glorious death and he will become a hero (regardless of the circumstances).

Most times after a war, the dead are remembered as heroes, even if they died in less than glorious, selfish, cowardly or otherwise ignoble ways.

Just a thought, but maybe with characters like Ikkaku Kubo is trying to draw parallels to Japan's Kamikaze pilots during the Second World War... Or maybe I'm just too much of a history nerd *shrug*

TeNMaN

2008-09-22, 17:12

Casshern

2008-09-22, 18:11

Man, people get way too worked up over this stuff. In my mind, KT can't win no matter what he does. If Ikkaku easily wins this fight, people would be still whining about how weak the fraccion's are and how pointless these battles are. Instead, he goes in a different direction and has the strongest of the 4 guardians lose to make it interesting (even if Ikkaku was sandbagging - but hey that is his personality and everyone should know that). Obviously, KT needed to give some love to some other characters we haven't seen that much so it works out better anyway. Maybe we get to see some cool action from Koma and Iba now since we don't know much about them either. We've already seen a lot from Ikkaku so I don't understand why this is such a bad thing. This isn't real life or death - it's just a manga with a bunch of crazy characters!! Props to KT for at least shaking it up a little bit!These fights are pointless because Kubo, for some reason, is just delaying! Genryusai pulls an unbreakable cage out of his ass with zero effort, which imprisons even Aizen for... as long as Kubo wants to delay the real action. We have the real Karakura replaced with a fake Karakura, when it's almost certain the real Karakura will have to appear for the Vaizards to take the stage. The only thing missing is Don Kanoji to convince even the most devout readers that what we're reading is the equivalent of filler.

And while it's irritating to read these devoid-of-content chapters, Ikkaku's fight was exceptionally bad. If he used bankai and lost, ok I'd be a bit dissapointed, but if the opponent is that strong then he is simply that strong. But happens instead? Ikkaku finds it disgraceful to use bankai on a "worthless" opponent, but being killed by said "worthless" opponent is OK! Go figure...

It seems to me, Kubo doesn't want one of his good characters to lose at full power, he doesn't want to rinse/repeat the previous fraccion fights, he doesn't want to repeat the Edorad fight, he does want to delay even longer and he still wants Ikkaku to look cool. The result is that he just made Ikkaku look bad.

BleachOD

2008-09-23, 01:56

I don't think Aizen is trapped. I think that's an illusion. I don't think Aizen is there at all.

Just my two cents...

Ryuuken

2008-09-23, 05:29

...including 1 million lives... gotcha. One million lives are a good trade-off for a single decent fight. That makes perfect sense.

Exactly, I mean I don't criticize KT, I only say that Ikkaku isn't worth anything anymore.
The duty of a soldier on a battlefield is to fullfill the mission objectives, even if it means dying in the process.

I don't think Aizen is trapped. I think that's an illusion. I don't think Aizen is there at all.

Nope, that's impossible. Aizens powers are not that unreal.
Remember he has to release Kyouka Suigetsu in front of the victims, and they have to look.
This was proven by the fact that Tousen remains unaffected and that Aizen had to invite all Gotei 13 to show his Zanpaktous ability before Bleach even started, as Kotetsu Isane stated.

Since the event on Soukyoku Hill, there is an end of hypnotism as the manga title also said =D

The Small One

2008-09-23, 05:45

Remember he has to release Kyouka Suigetsu in front of the victims, and they have to look.

You seem to miss the point: He has to release it in front of them only once, and afterwards they are caught in his illusions whenever he wants them to.

BleachOD

2008-09-23, 09:52

You seem to miss the point: He has to release it in front of them only once, and afterwards they are caught in his illusions whenever he wants them to.
Thanks for that. You saved me the trouble of saying just that.

@ Papa-Ishida. (Ryukken) Who says that he didn't release immediately before Yamaji trapped him? Do you really think Aizen is that stupid?!:uhoh:

P.S. People explaining how the weapons work is a pet peeve of mine :mad: I understand it just fine. In fact I often do the explaining. Please don't do it unless you know what you are talking about. Thanks!

Formely_anon

2008-09-23, 11:24

How does he keep fighting if he just lets Po kill him?

If you want to feel better then how about this? Ikkaku could not go Bankai because he was just too beat up. He was very cocky and underestimated his opponent, who beat him so bad he couldn't go bankai.

Makes some sense.

Ryuuken

2008-09-23, 14:17

You seem to miss the point: He has to release it in front of them only once, and afterwards they are caught in his illusions whenever he wants them to.

until he stops it, which he did in front of Unohana and Isane.

Thanks for that. You saved me the trouble of saying just that.

@ Papa-Ishida. (Ryukken) Who says that he didn't release immediately before Yamaji trapped him? Do you really think Aizen is that stupid?!:uhoh:

Ain't go nothing to do with stupidness.
He is confident about his Espada, so...

P.S. People explaining how the weapons work is a pet peeve of mine :mad: I understand it just fine. In fact I often do the explaining. Please don't do it unless you know what you are talking about. Thanks!

My bad, Mr. OD Sir...

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Aizen wouldn't do something like that. You may even consider that he broke down Kyouka Suigetsu in front of Unohana, but it was infact also an Illusion, but just doesn't have to do something like that.

The fact that negacion rescued him when Yoruichi and Soifon got him, pretty much proves that he hadn't and couldn't release.

MAQI

2008-09-23, 21:58

My bad, Mr. OD Sir...

:heh: Actually it Miss/Mrs. (I forgot which one for the moment) OD Mam
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Aizen wouldn't do something like that. You may even consider that he broke down Kyouka Suigetsu in front of Unohana, but it was infact also an Illusion, but just doesn't have to do something like that.

The fact that negacion rescued him when Yoruichi and Soifon got him, pretty much proves that he hadn't and couldn't release.

I think we should let KT do the explaining of "how a wepon works" because he seems to change stuff all the time so we never are 100% on anything in bleach. And I just have to say one thing about this last chapter, I USED to be a big Ikkaku fan, now... not so much. He is too chicken shit to show his bankai because then people would make him be a captain (he thinks) and he couldn't hide under Zaraki's warm comfortable skirt anymore... sheesh talk about fear of achivement... sometimes KT pisses me off like no one else... I mean come on, Ikkaku got beat by Zaraki like 50 years ago and now that he has power, he doesn't want to fight him again??? I thought thats what Ikkaku was all about. Someone spare me and have him fu@%ing killed or something.

@ OD can you tell how pissed I am about the way this manga is panning out? Anyway sorry for ranting its good to be back. Kind of.

Ryuuken

2008-09-24, 09:25

:heh: Actually it Miss/Mrs. (I forgot which one for the moment) OD Mam

Oh really ? No wonder... =D

DjTrizz

2008-09-25, 02:53

:heh: Actually it Miss/Mrs. (I forgot which one for the moment) OD Mam
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I think we should let KT do the explaining of "how a wepon works" because he seems to change stuff all the time so we never are 100% on anything in bleach. And I just have to say one thing about this last chapter, I USED to be a big Ikkaku fan, now... not so much. He is too chicken shit to show his bankai because then people would make him be a captain (he thinks) and he couldn't hide under Zaraki's warm comfortable skirt anymore... sheesh talk about fear of achivement... sometimes KT pisses me off like no one else... I mean come on, Ikkaku got beat by Zaraki like 50 years ago and now that he has power, he doesn't want to fight him again??? I thought thats what Ikkaku was all about. Someone spare me and have him fu@%ing killed or something.

believe it's a Miss OD atm ;P I remember a post specifically pertaining to her boyfriend :3

Also...about Ikkaku, didn't he say he wanted to kill Kenpachi himself one day? I can see reasoning for him not releasing his bankai if that was the case, he may feel he's not strong enough to even stand up to him, considering w/ his bankai he was only able to defeat that one Arrancar named Edorad, albeit barely while Kenpachi goes on to defeat Espada #5, Nnoitora. The reasoning is still kinda dumb...because it sounds like he'd rather die than be forced to fight Kenpachi when he's no where near ready.

bah self defeating reasoning...

Photonbeam

2008-09-25, 03:15

I think he said he wanted to serve under Kenpachi for the rest of his life and not kill him.

Konpachi

2008-09-25, 06:22

On an another topic , it was rather odd seeing all the captains so surprised at a loss of Ikkaku, a mere number 3. Add in that it was irregular for a number 3 to be part of the elite VC ighting squad to begin with.

Ikkaku's number 3 cos Yachiru's lieu. Im quite sure they all know Ikkaku is at the very least lieu lvl, also he is in the COMBAT div, that presumably puts his battle lvl slighty above the average lieu alrdy.

until he stops it, which he did in front of Unohana and Isane.

... explaining his plan and stopping it are two VERY different things. They are STILL under his hypnosis, even though they are aware of it. Aizen says it still works even if his victims know that they are hypnotize himself.

My bad, Mr. OD Sir...

I believe its a Mrs.

believe it's a Miss OD atm ;P I remember a post specifically pertaining to her boyfriend :3

Also...about Ikkaku, didn't he say he wanted to kill Kenpachi himself one day? I can see reasoning for him not releasing his bankai if that was the case, he may feel he's not strong enough to even stand up to him, considering w/ his bankai he was only able to defeat that one Arrancar named Edorad, albeit barely while Kenpachi goes on to defeat Espada #5, Nnoitora. The reasoning is still kinda dumb...because it sounds like he'd rather die than be forced to fight Kenpachi when he's no where near ready.

bah self defeating reasoning...

I thought she has a Chibi OD running around alrdy? (juz realized she's banned again, lol)

Ikkaku doesnt want to kill Zaraki himself, but rather he wants to DIE UNDER Zaraki's command. releasing Bankai would get him promoted therefore destroying his goal.