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tsurumaru
2003-11-03, 20:33
Finally an official announcement from Production IG!
There will indeed be a second season of Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex (Currently named "2nd GIG" in the traditional Engrish way)
http://www.production-ig.co.jp/anime/gits4/
From what I can translate it will be a further 26 episodes (as previously speculated) airing on the Skyperfec channel in Japan from January.
If anyone can further translate this page it would be appreciated.
ElvenPath
2003-11-09, 08:35
There's also a 2nd GITS movie planned for spring 2004: GITS Innocence.
Official site:
http://www.innocence-movie.jp
Baconharvester
2004-01-04, 17:29
What are the Tachikoma Specials? I just started reading about Ghost in the Shell and was wondering what those were.
tsurumaru
2004-01-04, 17:33
What are the Tachikoma Specials? I just started reading about Ghost in the Shell and was wondering what those were.
The Tachikoma specials are a series of short animations that appeared with the Japanese DVD releases of Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex.
To be exact they are (very) short parody clips featuring the Tachikoma AI tanks used by Section 9.
Hi,
I recently got the raws for the first two episodes but I just can't seem to find subs that go with it...
Does anyone knows where I can get those?
Thanks
Does anyone knows where I can get those?
I strongly suspect that this series has already been licesned so please bear in mind we may not want to list the subs until it's been confirmed or not (and this also applies when asking where to find the subs)
Well, considering that Bandai reported on Ghost in the Shell being extended by another 26 episodes, it'd be safe to say that it was already considered as part of the license when they bought the initial 26 episodes.
Or whatever
afaik, the second season isnt licensed yet
stand alone complex was licensed at ep 7 or so i believe
and no i dont think there are any subs so far
i would give it another week or so i think
DrWho2002
2004-01-04, 23:06
I would think the series comes pre-licensed, wouldn't you all? That was the case for the first series, and Bandai had to tell fansubbers to stop, so I don't think it would have changed for this one.
Mephisto03
2004-01-05, 01:14
They probab;y had a deal for the first season which was for 52 eps but instead they cut to 26 to double the production cost income for those 26, which is why they look so good.
I'm sure it'll be picked up again very soon seeing the success (I'm not for sure how the japanese public took it, but i'm sure it was good) of the first season and the second seaosn looking very good right now it'll only be the matter of a meeting.
I sure hope to see someone pick this up no matter licensed or not, sorry but its to damn good to wait for them to finish the series then wait even longer for official dvds over here on the states. box set of course.
anthonyxscotland
2004-01-05, 01:40
afaik, the second season isnt licensed yet
stand alone complex was licensed at ep 7 or so i believe
and no i dont think there are any subs so far
i would give it another week or so i think
It was licenced in production. Bandai said they had the licence way before it even aired on tv. Then we had the whole farce of Cartoon Network claiming they had the broadcast licence (they didnt) and that they planned to air it very close to the japanese dates.
As for the second series, bandai came out and said it had been extended, hence the delay with the dvds.... i think you can safely add that as licenced.
stormy001_M1A2
2004-01-05, 13:28
GITS: SAC is surefire $$$$ making in US licensing so I pretty it is already marked for licensing in the beginning.
It was licenced in production. Bandai said they had the licence way before it even aired on tv. Then we had the whole farce of Cartoon Network claiming they had the broadcast licence (they didnt) and that they planned to air it very close to the japanese dates.
As for the second series, bandai came out and said it had been extended, hence the delay with the dvds.... i think you can safely add that as licenced.
Bandai partial co-funded the production from what I understand. Anyway CN jumped the gun, but they have the rights to the series anyway. They plan on airing SAC sometime in the summer.
Mephisto03
2004-01-05, 20:44
Well I have it with english subs. Only problem is its extremely rough and needs to be touched up. Basically its a decent refrence for anyone who would take it on, but i'm not about to give it out for people to try to or even a release on the caliber of people just needing something.
am i the only one that loves gits sac? i was wondering if gits sac 2nd gig gets subbed.
did you even bother to search XD http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=4152 :o
Mephisto03
2004-01-08, 15:11
No, I love gits:sac. And I have a strong feeling someone will sub it. It must be subbed!
GreyArea
2004-01-08, 15:24
Isnt the second series licenced?
groups will just sub it i guess :D
Someone knows if its actually licenced?
Most likely it is licensed.
Kaizoku Luffy
2004-01-08, 17:38
It hasn't been announced as licensed yet, but you can expect that Bandai will get it since they also have the first series.
If only they'd start releasing the DVD's.
It is licensed and was previously announced as part of the first season. "An additional 26 episodes of GITS:SAC bringing the total to 52".
NoSanninWa
2004-01-08, 18:02
GITS 2nd gig and Paranoid Agent
Please search before you post.
I am fervently awaiting the fansubbed version of this.
I just hope a respectable group will do this and not some russian part-time-subbers.
So please, someone sub GITS gig2
I am fervently awaiting the fansubbed version of this.
I just hope a respectable group will do this and not some russian part-time-subbers.
So please, someone sub GITS gig2
Most "respectable" groups steer clear of licensed material plus Bandai has sent cease and desist letters to fansubbers before for subbing GITS - SAC too so it's somewhat doubtful that any of the well-known groups will pick it up.
I wonder when the GITS - SAC DVDs will actually come out, all I see are *hugely* overpriced japanese ones (as in like 60 dollars for 2 episodes, seesh)
NoSanninWa
2004-01-21, 01:25
I understand from someone in Ani-Kraze that Bandai has licensed this show. When Bandai told them to cease and desist subbing the first season they gave them a phone number to contact their offices. They called up Bandai and asked if they would be stopped from subbing the second season. Bandai told them it was licensed and not to sub it.
GITS: SAC is surefire $$$$ making in US licensing so I pretty it is already marked for licensing in the beginning.
I don't know about this sure fire $$$$ thing. To many this show is too complex and not enough action, hence boring. Something that do well in movie form may not do well for a TV series.
Briareos
2004-01-21, 08:43
I don't know about this sure fire $$$$ thing. To many this show is too complex and not enough action, hence boring. Something that do well in movie form may not do well for a TV series.Boring to you and all the "action lovers" out there. Some people like their entertainment to be more thoughtful. SAC isn't like Oshii's film at all, it's much closer to the spirit of the manga.
But I do agree that the market for the type of show that SAC is is smaller, although I'm sure it will be marketed as a "cyber-action tour de force".
a_nevels666
2004-01-21, 09:11
Boring to you and all the "action lovers" out there. Some people like their entertainment to be more thoughtful. SAC isn't like Oshii's film at all, it's much closer to the spirit of the manga.
But I do agree that the market for the type of show that SAC is is smaller, although I'm sure it will be marketed as a "cyber-action tour de force".
"cyber-action tour de force"... haha, I can see it now.
Anyway, while SAC is closer to the manga than the movie, I still feel it's not all that close.
Naru Narusegawa
2004-02-04, 00:24
I see this series reviewed on one of the fansubbers websites is this a new series going to be released, has it already been released or is it licensed any info will help thanks
Yes GITS:SAC has already been licensed. Bandai announced the license sometime last year. The dvd release for it should be around the summer.
I was wondering if some one could help me. For the most part, I normaly rely on sun coast to pick up my anime DVD releases. Yet it seems the one here does not have / cannot order Ghost in the shell stand alone complex.
I know it is in DVD form, yet I have not seen it in the US through a vendor I trust. (even checking vendors listed in the sticky here) does any one know if this is leagly avalible in the US? looking through google the only place I could find a box set from was "Link removed as bootleg (apearently bad one at that :uhoh: )" I am wondering if any one knows this site and if it is reputable, or another site that would carry a leagle US release of this first season. any help would be appriciated.
With the 2nd season comming out I finaly decided to get my @#$% in gear, stop waiting and get this series on DVD.
Bandai hasn't released GITS:SAC on dvd yet. Expect it around the summer or late spring. Also that site you listed is a bootleg site.
Mephisto03
2004-02-08, 02:49
DO NOT get it from discountanimedvd. I got the boxset from there and it is HORRIBLE, ABSOLUTE CRAP! They wouldn't even put in my true review of there dvd crap and instead kept ones were people gave 4 and 5 ratings. Don't get me wrong the quality is good. But the timing is off ALOT, and the trans is horrible and goes into other peoples lines, also they mispell alot and screw up grammar ALOT also. For the love of god please take my advice and don't buy it, I just saved you 40 bucks trust me. Just wait for it to be released here.
You_just_got_banned
2004-02-08, 03:02
[*quote]DO NOT get it from discountanimedvd. I got the boxset from there and it is HORRIBLE, ABSOLUTE CRAP! They wouldn't even put in my true review of there dvd crap and instead kept ones were people gave 4 and 5 ratings. Don't get me wrong the quality is good. But the timing is off ALOT, and the trans is horrible and goes into other peoples lines, also they mispell alot and screw up grammar ALOT also. For the love of god please take my advice and don't buy it, I just saved you 40 bucks trust me. Just wait for it to be released here.[/quote]
which one did you get??? they have two releases of them
ill pm you the link to down load the series at.
Flash_Squirrel
2004-02-08, 03:15
which one did you get??? they have two releases of them
ill pm you the link to down load the series at.
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Not a good start.
ok thanks for the information. although I am impatient. any one know if the R2 release on DVD (I know it is, I saw it in an video store in tokyo) has english sub title track?
yes I am impatient and do not like to wait years.
I don't know if I would actualy call this pirating squirl. I can see one thing if people are pirateing somthing they can buy, yet in this case I will admit it is licensend in the US, but we cannot get it through any other means. . . which is basicly the premis that anime suki is based on. normaly it is the only source for these anime shows in the US (and other regions), untill it is licensed and distributed in the US+. this series has been licenses before it aired in oct 2002, and still has no US distrobution.
normaly it sucks having to wait for distrobution, but 2 years is a bit much; and no one seems to know when it will be reased in the US. although it seems it will air on cartoon network first (dubbed of course :( ). I can understand your unwillingness to be associated with pirates, but how is it your draw the line only at what is licensed even if not distributed?
ElvenPath
2004-02-08, 06:27
The GITS SAC region-2 DVDs carry no subtitles (like most R2s).
Infernal_Halo
2004-02-08, 07:05
Yes GITS:SAC has already been licensed. Bandai announced the license sometime last year. The dvd release for it should be around the summer.
that still doesn't stop it from sucking balls
microlith
2004-02-08, 07:18
that still doesn't stop it from sucking balls
What does your opinion have to do with anything :P
Ghost in the shell stand alone complex was released in 2002. DVD US release should be some time this summer, and I belive it will air on cartoon network as well.
The review you saw was most likly for ghost in the shell stand alone complex 2nd gig, which is the 2nd season of stand alone complex.
Like the first season 2nd gig was licensed before it was released. which means it will not be listed here under torrents. although it is currently still airing in japan I do belive, so if it follows the first season should be avalibe some time in 2006-2007.
that still doesn't stop it from sucking balls
I didn't know I asked for your opinion on GITS. Next time I'll give you, your opinion
Infernal_Halo
2004-02-08, 17:42
I didn't know I asked for your opinion on GITS. Next time I'll give you, your opinion
oh ok could you do that for me now
oh ok could you do that for me now
Sure, your opinion is pointless and of no value. thier now you have an opinion, be glad.
I can understand your unwillingness to be associated with pirates, but how is it your draw the line only at what is licensed even if not distributed?
The line is right in front of getting it any way but from Bandai. Impatience is no excuse for piracy.
According to animeondvd.com, It's out on the 27th, along with a US Cable TV broadcast later on. 27th is the release date in Europe aswell I think, considering it's an international (ex Asia) release.
wee.
According to animeondvd.com, It's out on the 27th, along with a US Cable TV broadcast later on. 27th is the release date in Europe aswell I think, considering it's an international (ex Asia) release.
wee.
You left out the month which is June. I didn't know that Manga was also involved in the production as well as Bandai.
Finally...
About Manga Entertainment's involvement: maybe Bandai needed
their cooperation to produce an English dub with the same voices as
the movie (as is done in the Japanese dub).
SiL Eighty
2004-02-12, 14:05
YAy! GiTs-SaC is finally coming over !!
:topicoff: I wish I could just understand Japanese though. Most of the time I dont like dubs just becuase it gives a different feal to the anime. Only dub that I actually liked was FLCL.
:0ntopic: I'm very intrested to see how they dub this though, I hope it's not dull or over acted like most are....
ElvenPath
2004-02-12, 14:33
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex will air on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim later this year. The new GITS: SAC website is located at http://www.ghostintheshell.tv.
Well Bandai has clarified the DVD release
from animeondvd.com
We would like to clarify this issue and prevent any further rumors or speculation from spreading about the release of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.
Bandai Entertainment will be handling the English adaptation and DVD authoring for the North American release of Ghost in the Shell; we have been working on this for some time already.
Bandai Entertainment will also be coordinating the marketing activities for this title. Manga Entertainment will be handling the distribution for this title in North America. (This is similar to the distribution arrangement we had with Pioneer in the past, but is only for Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.) Manga Entertainment will also be handling DVD distribution worldwide, with the exceptions of Asia and France.
We hope that this explanation will put the rumors to rest. We know that the fans are looking forward to seeing this title released, and we are grateful for your enthusiasm and support.
microlith
2004-02-14, 00:49
A good thing Manga isn't getting their grubby paws into the actual production. Who knows what kind of botch job we'd have ended up with.
At least distribution is hard to fuck up on. Though I still wish they weren't involved at all, this is good enough.
festosis
2004-02-16, 01:02
according to IGN.com they said that all 26 episodes would be released this summer. Is this accurate??? one boxed set I though they would release it individualy. Here's the link. http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/492/492420p1.html
Most likely they will will release SAC individually before the boxset.
Anlushac11
2004-02-23, 03:11
GITS was awesome.
GITS:SAC IMHO is awesome as well. My favorite characters are without doubt the Tachikome. I just love those little guys. I just enjoy watching them and laugh at their actions quite a bit.
I assumed GITS:SAC 2nd GIG was optioned as part of the original liscence. Bandai would have been silly not to obtain rights and options on a 2nd season since it was known from the start that it was intended to go 52 episodes. That was stated in a interview on the DVD.
I have eps 1-2 in English subs and I think that they're ok so far. (But i can't discuss any further regarding that since it's, well, illegal...) I'd rather buy the dvds.
I was just wondering. Has Bandai started working on the first season or are they planning to start the localization process when the 2nd season finishes its run?
Animax is currently airing the 1st season and I noticed that the outro has been significantly changed. It just made me wonder if some work has been done on the 1st season. I guess I have pay attention next time to see if Bandai is listed somewhere in the credits.
Bindibadgi
2004-02-23, 08:23
I have eps 1-2 in English subs and I think that they're ok so far. (But i can't discuss any further regarding that since it's, well, illegal...) I'd rather buy the dvds.
I was just wondering. Has Bandai started working on the first season or are they planning to start the localization process when the 2nd season finishes its run?
Animax is currently airing the 1st season and I noticed that the outro has been significantly changed. It just made me wonder if some work has been done on the 1st season. I guess I have pay attention next time to see if Bandai is listed somewhere in the credits.
First season DVDs are out in the UK 26th June, in the US 27th. It takes 2 years from first showing of a GITS series before it comeso out on DVD :(:( but itll be worth the wait. Its only being distributed by Manga entertainment, Bandai are doing the dubbing thank god. Im preordering the DVDs the instant i can find somewhere in the uk (play.com?) that will let me.
Tbh, i want them in english dub too cause i cant work out wtf is going on in half the subbed episodes and i have to pause em every half-second to read.
Bandai own the lisence to the second season as well, it was purchased as they announced the extension of episodes in the latter part of Season 1.
Mephisto03
2004-02-23, 10:17
You should give a month also, I'm pretty sure the dvds are coming out in JULY of this year so not anytime soon still. Also Cartoon Network got GITS:SAC so most likely you'll get dubs but not good ones.
Bindibadgi
2004-02-23, 13:17
You should give a month also, I'm pretty sure the dvds are coming out in JULY of this year so not anytime soon still. Also Cartoon Network got GITS:SAC so most likely you'll get dubs but not good ones.
Nope June 26th is the release date ive got on my calender for Region2 GITS:SAC Season 1. I dont see why it should be any longer - pre-order from somewhere like play (if they have it) and youll get it on time (usually).
Cartoon network have it, but only for the evening adult slot in the US. Bandai have done the dubbing and considering how much effort theyve put into getting the lisences and threatening to sue fansubbers for both series ive high hopes for the quality of the end product DVDs.
Mephisto03
2004-02-23, 18:52
Yeah I was thinking of the tv release date my bad lol. Also I didn't see you write the month AFTER the date, usually we right it before the date.
I admit that I really, REALLY did not like the Ghost in the Shell movie. I thought it was incredibly boring and had too much filler (i.e. useless 10 minute shot of the city, with that god-awful music playing in the background). While I liked the overall theme of the movie and the message it was trying to give, I feel it was just executed very poorly.
I got to see a few episodes of Stand Alone Complex (as well as playing the game) from Bandai at E3, and I was just totally blown away by how awesome it was. The whole theme/message in the GITS movie seemed to be delivered 100 times better in the TV episodes I saw. The realistically imaginable theme about the whole integration of cybernetics into everyday society and the problems it can cause (and how Section 9 gets to deal with it) I felt was executed really nicely.
I don't know if anyone has seen fansubs of this series and may think the same or different but I was very surprised at how much I liked what I saw of this series after being completely turned off to everything GITS by the movie. Now I want more GITS. Did anyone else feel the same way? Did anyone feel the opposite, being that the movie is very strikingly different from the TV series?
a_nevels666
2004-06-10, 18:39
I admit that I really, REALLY did not like the Ghost in the Shell movie. I thought it was incredibly boring and had too much filler (i.e. useless 10 minute shot of the city, with that god-awful music playing in the background). While I liked the overall theme of the movie and the message it was trying to give, I feel it was just executed very poorly.
I got to see a few episodes of Stand Alone Complex (as well as playing the game) from Bandai at E3, and I was just totally blown away by how awesome it was. The whole theme/message in the GITS movie seemed to be delivered 100 times better in the TV episodes I saw. The realistically imaginable theme about the whole integration of cybernetics into everyday society and the problems it can cause (and how Section 9 gets to deal with it) I felt was executed really nicely.
I don't know if anyone has seen fansubs of this series and may think the same or different but I was very surprised at how much I liked what I saw of this series after being completely turned off to everything GITS by the movie. Now I want more GITS. Did anyone else feel the same way? Did anyone feel the opposite, being that the movie is very strikingly different from the TV series?
Yes, the movie and the TV series are different, but a lot of that is because the TV series has a lot more time to develop the GITS world. Both of them aren't very much like the manga either IMO.
While I liked the overall theme of the movie and the message it was trying to give, I feel it was just executed very poorly.
I thought the same, too. SAC did a much better job. However, the manga is far superior to both of them. I wonder how 2nd Gig is. Anyone watching that?
weird, I though the movie was great, the series is so & so too much talking although it's very well done and logical. Are you sure you read the manga? goes way overboard, the tv series was better.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read it. ;)
I like the talking.
dreamless
2004-06-10, 22:12
I love both the movie and the TV series, they are different. the manga is different from both of them and is great too. I think each version has their own strength. basically I think the movie is more of an art presentation, the SAC touches on more variety of issues and philosophy questions and a more human Motoko, while 2nd GiG focuses more on political struggles and Motoko showing even more emotional development.
Diedrupo
2004-06-11, 20:59
on comparing the manga and tv series, anyone noticed that Paz almost never appears in the manga? In fact most people will probably miss him.
I love both the movie and the TV series, they are different. the manga is different from both of them and is great too. I think each version has their own strength. basically I think the movie is more of an art presentation, the SAC touches on more variety of issues and philosophy questions and a more human Motoko, while 2nd GiG focuses more on political struggles and Motoko showing even more emotional development.
Ehh, I wouldn't really say that about 2nd season. There hasn't really been anything like that except episode 11, maybe.
dreamless
2004-06-12, 21:48
Ehh, I wouldn't really say that about 2nd season. There hasn't really been anything like that except episode 11, maybe.
err... saying "what" about 2nd season? focusing more on political struggle? motoko showing more emotion?
BTW, I absolutely LOVE that 10 minute "city with rain" scene in GitS the movie, I think that's one of the most awe-inspiring and beautiful scene in all anime history. personal tastes I guess ;)
err... saying "what" about 2nd season? focusing more on political struggle? motoko showing more emotion?
BTW, I absolutely LOVE that 10 minute "city with rain" scene in GitS the movie, I think that's one of the most awe-inspiring and beautiful scene in all anime history. personal tastes I guess ;)
Motoko showing more emotion. I wouldnt say anything has really yet tested her about herself and effected her ghost as much as last seasons episodes. Except episode 11, but even then that doesn't even match first seasons episode 08.
Briareos
2004-06-14, 11:38
weird, I though the movie was great, the series is so & so too much talking although it's very well done and logical. Are you sure you read the manga? goes way overboard, the tv series was better.LOL! If you feel that the manga went overboard, then it's obvious that you'll like the conventions of the TV series over it.
People who like Shirow's manga realize (and enjoy the fact) that there's going to be a lot of exposition, and that the story won't have an even flow. I personally don't try to put Shirow's work in the frame of normal convention, but rather enjoy them as they are -- a collection of action, character development, technology (with extensive notes and research), and personal philosophy. Even though Shirow himself discounts his manner of "storytelling", there is something very unique about the way he does things that I really enjoy.
When I first saw the film, I was disappointed. I expected what was a rather short film to be (longer and) a more well rounded representation of the manga. So much had been stripped from GITS by the film (humor, tech, fuchikomas, characters, events) that what was left was a one dimensional picture of a much larger world. I love Oshii's work, and learned to like the film, but since I knew the world before I saw the film, I couldn't forget what was missing.
The TV series plays out the way the manga probably would have been if it had been done by another author and had been longer. It's a much fuller picture of the GITS world, but at the same time, the mostly episodic nature of the series forces the relationships of the characters to be simplified a bit.
I guess that how you feel about Shirow based anime depends entirely on how attached you are to Shirow's original work.
It's a great series for futurist. I know a few folks that don't like anime but love this show.
And yeah it's been subbed though i wont say by who but you can find it out easy with just a little googling.
jow_chan
2004-06-23, 21:13
I've been watching GiTS 2nd gig for a while and it's been real fun. I've just noticed a few things since seeing the last episode. There are a lot of parallels in the story to our world today. For instance:
The refugee problem is heading in a direction where the refugees will be placed in an autonomous state within the state of Japan. I actually dunno what this really means, but it sounds like Israel to me.
Terrorism seems to be some pillar of this anime as well. Much like Israel, terrorism strikes unpredictably and within populated, usually safe, and sometimes well respected areas of commerce and business.
Also, as one of the suicide bombers tried to attack a subway station, Bautou made a statement that's interesting. He said something to the tune of, "The refugees have made there declaration of war [on japan or society]" This of course is similar to 9/11 and such.
Though is poses a good foundation for an anime, it's surreal to see it like so. Something to the tune of, such situations of our future, made possible because of 9/11, will be a matter of fact and common. Dunno. just want to put it out and talk bout it.
Uh, not another 9/11 war on terror crap thread. We already have enough of those :heh:
The refugee problem in GITS 2nd Gig could be more perhaps compared to what's happening in Asia right now than what's happening in the middle east. It's closer to home in that sense. But let's not get into that.
Anyway, have you been looking into some recent tech news lately?
I read an article a few days ago that talked about the idea of surfing the net through your brain. Now, that definitely reminded me of GITS. Instead of mentioning cyberbrains, neurons (or something...) are to be used, but the main gist of the concept was practically similar to that of the one in GITS. It seems to be just a possibility however, and I'm not sure if there's actual development going on. Quite interesting actually.
On another note, I've heard of this person who surgically placed a microchip in his arm so that a computer would recognize and track his presence around his house. Some recent developments in amputation seem to be heading somewhere too. And the Japanese in particular are still very much into expanding the field of robotics.
Regarding the series--it just might be me, but with regard to artwork, I seem to like the first series more than the second. But the soundtrack of the second series is just plain awesome--even better than the first.
tsurumaru
2004-06-24, 19:20
On another note, I've heard of this person who surgically placed a microchip in his arm so that a computer would recognize and track his presence around his house. Some recent developments in amputation seem to be heading somewhere too. And the Japanese in particular are still very much into expanding the field of robotics.
Yep this was done by a British professor, technically the world's first "Cyborg"
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/03/22/human.cyborg/
Also interestingly there's a very rudimentary version of Optical Camoflage up and running, which is neither practical nor convincing at the moment (But give it time :p )
http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html
Also interestingly there's a very rudimentary version of Optical Camoflage up and running, which is neither practical nor convincing at the moment (But give it time :p )
http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html
The last video looks pretty good. They need to correct for shadows in the cloak. It needs to be contained within the cloak, too. You're not very camoflaged with a camera and projector set up following you around and you'd only be camoflaged from that one angle. :)
Nope June 26th is the release date ive got on my calender for Region2 GITS:SAC Season 1. I dont see why it should be any longer - pre-order from somewhere like play (if they have it) and youll get it on time (usually).
Cartoon network have it, but only for the evening adult slot in the US. Bandai have done the dubbing and considering how much effort theyve put into getting the lisences and threatening to sue fansubbers for both series ive high hopes for the quality of the end product DVDs.
lol, I was right the first time. Anyways it is July 27th. Anyone who didn't know heres all the info.
4 eps per disc plus tachikoma specials:
Volume 1 - 07.27.04
Volume 2 - 09.28.04
Volume 3 - 11.23.04
Volume 4 - 01.25.05
Volume 5 - 03.22.05
Volume 6 - 05.24.05
Volume 7 - 07.26.05
Also it will be premering on Adult Swim november 13th at 12:30am followed by FMA at 1am.
For the best dvd deal for R1s is at deep discount dvd, selling standard dvd for like 14 bucks.
Ohh and the dubs suck, already watched the previews and they changed up the script on some parts.
Briareos
2004-06-25, 15:14
lol, I was right the first time. Anyways it is July 27th. Anyone who didn't know heres all the info.
4 eps per disc plus tachikoma specials:
Volume 1 - 07.27.04
Volume 2 - 09.28.04
Volume 3 - 11.23.04
Volume 4 - 01.25.05
Volume 5 - 03.22.05
Volume 6 - 05.24.05
Volume 7 - 07.26.05
Also it will be premering on Adult Swim november 13th at 12:30am followed by FMA at 1am.
For the best dvd deal for R1s is at deep discount dvd, selling standard dvd for like 14 bucks.
Ohh and the dubs suck, already watched the previews and they changed up the script on some parts.So two of those R1 volumes are only going to have 3 episodes on them since 4x7=28 and there are only 26 episodes in SAC season 1.
Unless you know Japanese, I'm going to assume you're just guessing that the script has been "changed up". There is no official script to note diviations from at this point (and I'm certainly not going to judge the dub against the fansubs).
So two of those R1 volumes are only going to have 3 episodes on them since 4x7=28 and there are only 26 episodes in SAC season 1.
Unless you know Japanese, I'm going to assume you're just guessing that the script has been "changed up". There is no official script to note diviations from at this point (and I'm certainly not going to judge the dub against the fansubs).
Yeah 2 will have 3 eps. And I'm talking about stupid stuff like in ep 2 where tachikoma gets shot up and major tells it to wait there and it says "ok!" and in the dub they say "sure thing, since I can't move."
Stuff like that is retarded to add.
eXistenZ
2004-07-19, 21:27
gits is a masterpeice. be it the series, the movies, and im sure the manga, i havent read that.
in the movie part of the gits universe, it all takes place in a future hong kong if i remember right. none of the movie is actually contained in the manga except the characters. ultimatly in the movies, both from what i can ascertain, is that they are both trying to find the knowledge that they are human.
the series part of the universe is future japan. same characters, deeper emotions, more time to fully explore each character. from the series we can gather that matoko, who is by far a human in the utmost sense, by the story that was episode 8 2nd gig she has lived at least 85% of her life as a cyborg since like the age of 10 to probably in about her 50's or mebbe even 60's. i cant remember if they mentioned any years.i have a feeling that the series might end with a movie to close the arc of the series from Sac to gig if not beyond.
the manga i have no clue.
now for optic-camoflage, i seen a popular science article about 4 years ago or so that said such technology was not to far.
we are mere years away from fully functioning cybernetic parts from wetware in the brain to full articulate hardware. i personally wish to become a cyborg. not sure how far tho, maybe just brain augmentation or i may go full bore cybernetic, coz i do sorta plan to live for at least a few hundred years.
its mostly the search for the defining element that makes something human
instead of humans trying to find their own humanity
since the line between machine and man is blurred quite considerably by ai, cyborgs, implants, etc
in the movie part of the gits universe, it all takes place in a future hong kong if i remember right. none of the movie is actually contained in the manga except the characters. ultimatly in the movies, both from what i can ascertain, is that they are both trying to find the knowledge that they are human.
Uhm, didn't it take place in a future Japan? The urban landscapes of Japan and Hong Kong may have similarities, but it never occurred to me that the movie took place in Hong Kong. :confused:
Melazoma
2004-07-21, 22:21
I've never seen a single episode of GitS:SAC, not on TV, not on fansubs, nor the raws, which are easily available to me. I've pre-ordered the first volume limited edition DVD from Bandai USA. I made the purchase purely through word of mouth, not to mention that the movie fell a bit short of my expectation. Now, is it really worth my money?
Also, where is the artbox!? I live for artboxes :) A series collection just isn't the same without a box to hold it all, and if it's well-made, all the better. One of the thing that stopped me from starting a collection of .Hack//SIGNS(sic) was that I couldn't find a series box anywhere. It's the same thing with Saikano, although I've wanted to see the show for some time. I figure this time with GitS:SAC, I'd make an exception on account of all the hype and comments heard here and elsewhere. Still, does anyone know if Bandai(or Manga, if that's what it takes) will release an artbox for this DVD series sometime in the future, perhaps as a special/limited edition?
Thanks much :)
This thread is dedicated to the best anime series of all time,Ghost In The Shell Stand Alone Complex.
The story revolves a elite unit,'Section 9',and how they,ultimately through a series of supposedly unconnected events(*Hint,hint*),discover a government conspiracy.
And now for the spoiler section.(*Which,sadly,would compose pretty much of the discussion :heh: *)
This is where the discussion really kicks off.I started this thread in the first place to discuss,clarify and salute this great series,which sadly this forum dosent have any thread dedicated to.
What i think really sets 'GITS:StandAlone' apart from other series is,most importantnly,its plot/storyline.Kudos to the creator of the series and the scritwriter for giving us such a marvelous gift as such.The storyline ultimately reveals the 'truth' behind the [Laughing Man Case] which happened 6 years before the series.Details aside,Section9 eventually finds out the truth about the 'Murai Vacine'(*Forgive me if i got the name wrong*)a vacine effective for a popular cyberbrain disease,which,before the vacine or any other form of cure/vacine was found,was classified under the 'uncurables' department in medicine.
To sum it up,the japanese ministry of health didnt want to approve of the murai vacine due to their own gains,(*another reason for the failed approval was because of a key member of the Ministry of Health's cabinet's jealousy of the discoverer of the Murai vacine,the story goes that the key member himself was a devoted scientist who's looking for a cure to the cyberbrain disease,but Dr.Murai (*Whom the vacine was named after*)beat him to it.What further angered the key member of the ministry of health's cabinet was the fact that Dr.Murai was a scientist,whose field of study didn't include the study of the cyberbrain disease at all,in other words,Dr.Murai stumbled upon a vacine to the cyberbarin disease by accident,thus agniting the latter's jealousy*)which may result if they supported/approved of another 'cure' instead,which took the form of Serano.Co's proposal.
At this time,a cyborg totally unrealted to this incident stumbled upon an e-mail,sent by the original 'laughing man'.The contents of the mail are bascially intended to blackmail the president of Serano.Co.The cyborg,who somehow develops a fear of the cyberbrain disease,decides to look for the President of Serano.Co himself and sort things out.(*The cyborg discovered the truth remember?^_^*)
After meeting,the president of Serano.Co refuses the cyborg's demand of revealing the truth about the Murai vacine.Thus,angering the cyborg.
To cut down details,ultimately the cyborg decides to 'rid the world of darkness',and thus goes on a quest which ultimately leads him to 'upload' the truth onto section 9's Major.
That's as far as my knowledge on the seiries takes me i'm afriad,the rest of this post belongs the the 'clarification' department.
(*P.S,i'm not sure if the truth behind the conspiracy was revealed in the end though,thus resulting in that bit of info being unincluded in my 'explination'(*Or what have you*)
:topicoff: Hopefully,the real truth behind the [Laughing Man Case],which happened 6 years before the series would be reavealed in 'GITS:StandAlone 2nD Gig'
A little tidbit for you guys,the seires happens before the movie.
EDIT:I'm wrong :) THE SPOILER TAG CONTAINS BIG BIG SPOILERS.
Inuzuka, I'm so not sure what the previous spoilers in this thread contain--but you've just posted the central gist of the entire series within that spoiler tag! That's arguably the summary of the central story! The R1 dvd has just been released, and there may be some people who have only begun watching it now. I pity those who read that by accident. Seriously, that's really a major spoiler you posted back there. :heh:
To those people who haven't finished the first series yet, and who wish to stay unspoiled with regard to the central plot, don't read that spoiler!
A little tidbit for you guys,the seires happens before the movie.
Actually, the movie and the series are to be seen as alternate stories of the same universe. In that respect, there's the manga, the movie and the series. (--which is comprised of GITS: SAC and GITS: SAC 2nd Gig)
Personally, even though the manga is the basis of GITS, I consider the series as the most in depth of them all. It reflects upon society and its evolution, ideas of myth-making, truth and information--and the very nature of humanity caught in a world pervasively characterized by connectivity and isolation. (The so-called "stand alone complex" phenomenon..?) Even better, the series doesn't resort to mere 'telling', but it also shows what it's trying to say. What GITS is for me, is fully realized in the series.
2nd Gig is somewhat different. I haven't been really up to date with the second series but it tackles similar themes, albeit on a different level and on a different field.
Za Paper
2004-08-23, 18:54
One big complaint I have with this release is why the hell did couldn't they put the DTS audio on the regular edition?!?
Another thing I noticed is that it has one of the worst dubs I've ever heard. Once you hear Aramaki's VA you will know what I mean.
One big complaint I have with this release is why the hell did couldn't they put the DTS audio on the regular edition?!?
Actually, there's a glitch in the Japanese DTS track. I've emailed Bandai about my product and hopefully they're doing something to resolve the problem. I suggest others who bought the limited edition to do the same--unless of course, they're already satisfied with the English audio.
babbito2k
2004-08-27, 21:36
Yow! Episode 13 of 2nd Gig was amazing. It was like film noir on fast forward. The ending was black as hell and downright hilarious.
Well, i gotta question after seeing Gits Season 1 in Japanese. How did Kusanagi survive in episode 25 ? Somehow i didn`t understand it right. Thanks.
Briareos
2004-09-07, 15:36
...none of the movie is actually contained in the manga except the characters...Actually, almost all of the film is contained in the manga (it's the central thread of the story). However, most of the events play through differently in the film (to the same ends), and some of the on-screen scenes are remixes and combinations of those in the manga. Think of the film as a dark, moody poem about the manga.
As for optical camo like the ones featured in the film, we're a long way off. The "optical camo" that people are showing off now is just slight-of-hand camera and projection tricks.
If you're looking to get the original GITS manga (which IMO is great, but not as good as Appleseed), Dark Horse is going to be releasing a GITS 1 2nd edition paperback (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-029) which will be carrying an 18+ rating and ship shrink wrapped. The only reason GITS 1 would get that treatment this time around is that they have reinstated two pages that were omitted (by Shirow himself) in the previous edition. The book may also be unmirrored, but I'll have to wait and see on that one.
tsurumaru
2004-09-07, 16:11
OMG!
I've just seen the first UK Advertisement for GITS SAC in Edge computer and videogames magazine, its quite frankly SHITE, I cant believe this! Thanks once again Manga Entertainment for hiring an incompetant graphics designer, they even have small screen shots of pictures that aren't taken from the series but feature a Tachikoma which is basically outshone by its famous Lego cousin..........
Damn you Manga Koneko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the DVD box art is like that I shall cry..........
tsurumaru
2004-09-07, 16:19
Well, i gotta question after seeing Gits Season 1 in Japanese. How did Kusanagi survive in episode 25 ? Somehow i didn`t understand it right. Thanks.
Spoilertastic!
When the Major is "shot" by the sniper, check out the lingering shot of her wrist. Where is the watch that she just put on and which Batou went through all that trouble of getting? The answer, she had switched bodies (to her older version that was damaged in her fight with the Mech a few episodes back) and was remote controlling her more recent body. Once she was "dead" it would be a lot easier for her to move around with the pressure of the military squads off. ;)
The preview pages they have on the website read left to right. :(
I also noticed an ad saying the GitS2 movie will hit theaters 9/17. :)
Briareos
2004-09-14, 11:54
The preview pages they have on the website read left to right. :(Yeah, I just got this e-mail back from Dark Horse.
On Aug 4, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Briareos wrote:
Dear Sir/Ma'am,
I've read the description of the upcoming Ghost in the Shell 1 2nd
edition, and the only thing I notice missing in the item description
is if the book is "mirrored" or not. Will this new edition be in the
original right-to-left format?
Sincerely,
BriareosHi Briareos-
It'll be in the "Americanized" left to right format like the comics.
Hope this helps,
MichaelI wonder if Studio Proteus will stop "Americanizing" manga once Toren Smith leaves the industry? At least they don't change character names to fit an "American" audience.
On a side note regarding the GITS MMI graphic novel:
AnimeNation Link: (http://www.animenation.net/news/index.php?id=6867)
Dark Horse Comics has announced (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=13-288) the January 19, 2005 release of the English translated Ghost in the Shell 2: Man Machine Interface graphic. Unlike the individual monthly comic issues, the graphic novel will labeled for readers aged 18+ and will come shrinkwrapped. This suggests that the graphic novel version may include the graphic sex scenes found in the Japanese Ghost in the Shell 2 Solid Box edition which were not included in the Japanese mass market edition or American comic book release.Interesting...
I also noticed an ad saying the GitS2 movie will hit theaters 9/17. :) I hope the theatrical release is to a larger number of theatres than the first GITS film was.
http://www.gofishpictures.com/GITS2
Go there for a list of theaters that are playing the movie.
Ooo. I'll have to pick up MMI. I could never find the first issue of the mothly set so I never bought any of it
Looks like the movie isn't going to be in many theaters. I'll have to go deep into Boston to see it. I hate going into the city. Doesn't look like it'll be playing in this other theater that usually plays foreign stuff which is a lot easier to get to. :(
SiL Eighty
2004-09-18, 10:31
Just watched GITS Innocence last night. Gotta say that movie kicked ass. The combination of 3d and 2d was F'ing great, and there were alot of scenes leaving you thinking "How the F did they make that?". Story wise, it was just like another episode of GITS-SAC. There's a mystery and the go solve the mystery blah blah blah.
If for nothing else you should atleast go see this movie just cuz its so damn pretty. Cant say enough about the super high quality work that production I.G. put out.
I think it was a lot closer in style to the first GITS movie than SAC, it just has this art/cult-movie feel all over it.
About SAC, I wonder what's the reason that there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on about the series and episodes? At least I didn't find lot of posts here on Animesuki. Isn't it popular enough? :confused: On the other hand, it could be just that it's fanbase consists of different kind of anime viewers that don't have the urge to share their opinions and speculations about the series on the forums. :rolleyes:
I think it's a bit shame, as there's some really thought-provoking moments in it, it would be nice to hear other people's interpretations about them too.
Hi,
I couldn't make sense of the last scenes in Gits SAC 1st gig.
First the final scene where serano get's eliminated by someone I can't remember seeing in the entire series. It's usually considered bad style if someone new is introduced at the end so this left me a bit hanging. Who was this?
Maybe the real laughing man? Do I really have to derate Gits because of that? I'm a bit at a loss here...
About SAC, I wonder what's the reason that there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on about the series and episodes? At least I didn't find lot of posts here on Animesuki. Isn't it popular enough? :confused: On the other hand, it could be just that it's fanbase consists of different kind of anime viewers that don't have the urge to share their opinions and speculations about the series on the forums. :rolleyes:
I think it's a bit shame, as there's some really thought-provoking moments in it, it would be nice to hear other people's interpretations about them too.
The real discussions on GITS are going on in Production IG's forums. The discussions there can last many pages sometimes, and some comments are definitely more intelligently written or more in depth depending on the subject matter at hand. You can check it out for yourself.
ThrashSM
2004-10-04, 22:49
Is the DVD vers of the first season available beyond the 8th episode? I've tried searching and could only find the first two volumes containing the 8 episodes available.
The second dvd just came out, the 3rd is
scheduled for release on Nov. 23rd.
ThrashSM
2004-10-04, 23:17
thanks. should I look forward to maybe a 2month gap between each volume release?
The real discussions on GITS are going on in Production IG's forums. The discussions there can last many pages sometimes, and some comments are definitely more intelligently written or more in depth depending on the subject matter at hand. You can check it out for yourself.
Thanks, I didn't thought they would allow fansub discussion in their official forums. Apparently that's the case, although I don't know for sure if 2nd gig have already come to US, but guess not.
I like this kind of open-mindness / 'fan-service', and it makes me want to support their work even more by bying the DVDs. I hope plenty of others do the same to show that company don't necessarily need to act all greedy to get profits.
Or maybe it's allowed there because they are too lazy to moderate :p
Thanks, I never even thought that they would allow fansub discussion in their official forums. Apparently that is the case, although I don't know for sure if 2nd gig have already come to US, but I guess not.
I like this kind of open-mindness / 'fan-service' much, and I definitely want to support their work by bying all the DVDs and I just hope plenty of others do the same to show that company don't necessarily need to act all greedy and cruel to get some profits.
Or maybe it's allowed just because they are too lazy to moderate :p
From what I've understood, discussions with regard to the content of the episodes themselves are allowed--fansubbed or otherwise--however, you are not to discuss how you got hold of them in the first place. Kinda like Animesuki if you think about it.
And yes, it's always great to support them. :)
shugundamfreak
2004-10-16, 01:05
does anyone know the release schedule of 2ng gig in japan?
monolithic
2004-10-23, 20:28
Just wondering, do the DVDs have uncensored scenes compared the the broadcasted one in Japan?
Amazon.com says that the deluxe edition of Volume 3 will have a t-shirt included with it, but gives no pictures (I can't find any elsewhere either). Does anyone have any clue what will be on the t-shirt?
Mephisto03
2004-11-07, 10:48
Just wondering, do the DVDs have uncensored scenes compared the the broadcasted one in Japan?
Gits:Sac isn't censored in japan. Its ran on PPV there at 3am. So there allowed to do what they want like they intended to.
CyBerGh0sT
2004-11-30, 15:52
Anyone know how to find ghost in the shell : Stand Alone Complex 2nd gig??
Anyone know how to find ghost in the shell : Stand Alone Complex 2nd gig??
Hope you're not asking for fansubs since the series is licensed.
Not sure if the DVD release date for the second series has been announced yet.
Alchemist
2004-12-07, 16:19
So, uh, can a kind and merciful soul tell me what the hell did episode 9 mean? I'm talking about 2nd Gig. So complicated. :twitch: :sad:
Whee, more self-important dragging of threads from their rotting graves...
Thanks to NeoSam for the heads up, looks like they really did decide to make a 3rd season of GITS:SAC. From their English site (http://www.productionig.com/contents/news/2006/03/gits_sac_sss_tr.html).
Solid State Society? Huh.
Seriously though, I really really hope they make it better than 2nd GIG, I felt that there were a number of somewhat contrived episodes and lots of chatter trying to make itself seem smarter than it really is. I do hope they get somewhat better animators too o_o More Tetsuya Nishio plskthx.
EDIT: AND IT BETTER HAVE (more) TACHIKOMA OR I'M GOING TO BE MAD! Grr.
Shousa~
^Oh god, thank you for that heads up right there!
Ilpalazzo-sama
2006-03-17, 15:36
GITS:SAC 3rd GiG...Woohoo! *drools*
MrProphet
2006-03-17, 15:54
It's not 3rd Gig, just as SAC wasn't "The 1st Gig".
First season: "Stand Alone Complex".
Second season: "SAC 2nd Gig".
Third season: "Stand Alone Complex - Solid State Society".
"2nd Gig" is just a name of the season, it's not the numeration. A lot of people seem to confuse this matter.
Good news, but if you scroll back a bit, not such news at all. Ishikawa already talked about it a year ago. But it's a first official press-release.
But Production I.G. sure has been throwing themselves into lots of projects recently, haven't they... I feel a bit like they're selling out, doing stuff like Blood+ and IGPX. Where's the moody but brilliantly done films that weren't commercially viable locally? Meh.
Though I'd take Season 3 of GITS over a moe show anyday!
They're showing a trailer at the Anime Fair thingamajiggy in Tokyo... As much as I don't mind GITS I hope it's not this season. They've still got Blood+ (albeit being subcontracted to a lot of other studios) and the upcoming XXXHolic TV series. They can take a whole year to plan the story and I'd be happier...
EDIT: Sorry for being a twat, but 7th pointed out that it's actually not a TV series, it's a movie, according to Bandai Visual (http://www.bandaivisual.co.jp/flash/). It's planned to be 100-minute long film, expected to be finished in Summer 2006.
This changes things very much. I won't mind seeing this - though I guess we won't necessarily get the animation level of the existing GITS movies, I've always wanted to see the SAC storyline in a movie kind of format.
-KarumA-
2006-03-18, 06:34
i have a question
i have the first season of Ghost In The Shell Stand Alone Complex.. but is it all the same ?
with that i mean that in every episode they solve something new... but it doesnt have much effect later on in the series (i havent watched the complete first season yet), i havent seen any character development, only the tough coppers atitude and the solve thinsg that are different every week
is the second season like that too ?
or will there be some character development at the end of the season, with a storyline that finally goes into something big..
one epsidoe they solve somehting, next week they solve something else.. it goes on and on but there's no real drama and tension between the characters
Jayn_Newell
2006-03-18, 10:25
i have a question
i have the first season of Ghost In The Shell Stand Alone Complex.. but is it all the same ?
No, there are stand-alone and complex episodes (you can tell which is which by the title screen, the colours are different and it'll say which kind it is). Stand-alone are as you described, basically one-shots. Complex episodes--the first one is episode 4--are part of the over-arching plot of the season, and towards the end there are only complex episodes, no stand-alone. So you do get continuity and character development, even in the stand-alone episodes, but like a real police department they're working on more than just one case at a time.
2nd GiG has the same thing going on, though with different names (which escape me at the moment). I've only seen the first four eps--too broke to buy more yet--but it looks like it's even better than the first season.
Deacon Blues
2006-03-18, 10:28
It's not 3rd Gig, just as SAC wasn't "The 1st Gig".
First season: "Stand Alone Complex".
Second season: "SAC 2nd Gig".
Third season: "Stand Alone Complex - Solid State Society".
"2nd Gig" is just a name of the season, it's not the numeration. A lot of people seem to confuse this matter.
Good news, but if you scroll back a bit, not such news at all. Ishikawa already talked about it a year ago. But it's a first official press-release.
The first season is referred to as the "1st GIG" in the soundtrack notes as well as the interview with Kamiyama. As for the third season, it was mentioned well over a year ago in a French publication.
2nd GiG has the same thing going on, though with different names (which escape me at the moment). I've only seen the first four eps--too broke to buy more yet--but it looks like it's even better than the first season. Yeah, the 2nd season is better by a certain margin. :) Every episode, no matter how stand-alonish it may appear, contributes to the story line. Watching the 2nd season makes one think that the author has gotten a lot better in his arrangement of story telling after his experiment in the 1st season.
or will there be some character development at the end of the season, with a storyline that finally goes into something big..
one epsidoe they solve somehting, next week they solve something else.. it goes on and on but there's no real drama and tension between the characters GitS isn't very obvious about character development but it's there, just like all the drama and the tension and the excitement are there. Tachikoma's are the biggest example of your "character development". The only one that seems to be still or frozen in time is Motoko herself.
Jayn_Newell
2006-03-19, 11:01
Every episode, no matter how stand-alonish it may appear, contributes to the story line. Watching the 2nd season makes one think that the author has gotten a lot better in his arrangement of story telling after his experiment in the 1st season.
Yeah, this is something I already noticed, though I'm interested on how ep 3 will get tied in, as that was the only true stand-alone of the first four. I did like how that episode touched on ep1 of the first season though. And speaking of which, I really like how episode 1 of 2nd Gig paid homage to the first movie--I think they managed to upstage the original.
At any rate, I can't wait to see more--why must DVDs cost so much :mad:
MrProphet
2006-03-21, 17:52
Some new info about the SSS movie on ANN (http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=8588).
Looks like we're gonna be seeing an alternative retelling of the Pupper Master storyline.
Two things to consider here:
1) The whole premise of the SAC world is that it's a universe where the Pupper Master never appeared in 2029.
2) The ending scene of the 2nd Gig series (with sakura trees, fuchikomas and Illaria Graziano singing "Christmas in the silent forest") is almost the exact copy of the first chapter of the "Ghost in the Shell" manga which was, of course, about the Pupper Master incident.
This could be interesting.
The best thing about this possibility, in my opinion, is that lays the foundation for the possible future series/OVA/movie based on my favourite part of the GITS universe - "Man-Machine Interface". It wasn't feasible without the Puppet Master merging with Motoko, but now my hopes are very much up, even if "Solid State Society" would only offer an alternative version.
I'm a bit disappointed that SSS isn't a brand new series, but this bit of news could be quite interesting.
Just wondering though... I was wondering if this alternate "Puppet Master" is more or less the same as that from the 1st movie—that is, he's a self-aware A.I.—or if he's actually a person. The impression I get from ANN, is that he's actually a person, considering that he's described as a "wizard-like hacker" known for commiting "terrorist actions." But the "wizard-like" part could mean a lot of things I suppose.
I really need to see a promo of this.
Deacon Blues
2006-03-24, 11:11
Since no one reads here anymore... there is already a thread in the General Anime section. This movie isn't licensed. :/
MrProphet
2006-03-24, 11:53
This movie isn't licensed. :/
And it never will be, right? Right. 8)
Really now, it's probably pre-licensed by BEI (hopefully not Mangle) and if it isn't, then it will be the moment they release it. We can argue semantics, but what's the point in having several threads?
Deacon Blues
2006-03-24, 14:54
Well... after checking the press release via JASDAQ, I noticed that BEI and Manga Entertainment are involved in it, so... D: *takes back what he said*
We can argue semantics...
NOOOOO! *stabs you for using linguistics terminology* I will never escape them D:
Jayn_Newell
2006-03-24, 17:16
The impression I get from ANN, is that he's actually a person, considering that he's described as a "wizard-like hacker" known for commiting "terrorist actions." But the "wizard-like" part could mean a lot of things I suppose.
That's pretty much the description Motoko gave of him in the original movie (and, come to think of it, the Laughing Man). So whether he is or not, this can still hold true. I don't see any indication here at all that he is either an AI or a human.
I just thought that this would interest people here.
trailer (http://www.dannychoo.com/blog_entry/eng/466/Ghost+in+the+Shell+-+Solid+State+Society/)
Half of it is from the 1st and 2nd series, the rest is what to expect from SSS.
some images (http://www.dannychoo.com/blog_entry/eng/470/Ghost+in+the+Shell+-+Solid+State+Society/)
Now about that poster. What are Gouda and Kuze doing in it? I've heard the theory that Kuze may turn out to be the Puppet Master in the SAC universe, and with a title such as "Solid State Society"—which certainly sounds as if it has some socio-political slant to it—I wouldn't be surprised. Then again, I'm wondering if they're willing to bring up a major plot point—or a major character for that matter—from the previous series to this one. But Gouda?
Of course, the purpose of this poster may just for the sake of publicity, and perhaps there really isn't anything directly related in it to this SAC movie. Still, it just caught my attention.
Also take note of the new character, "Kuroma." She reminds me of Motoko for some reason, or at the very least I think she sort of resembles her.
Hmmm, Chroma reminds me a little bit of Electra from the Cowboy Bebop Movie. I wonder how she'll tie in.
And that poster isreally nice - Batou's angsty pose and position makes me laugh a bit though :heh:
If they bring Kuze and Gouda in I'll be very surprised... though I thought Kuze shouldn't be coming back...
Hmmm, Chroma reminds me a little bit of Electra from the Cowboy Bebop Movie. I wonder how she'll tie in.
Now, this is just some speculation on my part, but what if she's the so-called Puppet Master? I admit, having a female version of the Puppet Master is somewhat intriguing.
If they bring Kuze and Gouda in I'll be very surprised... though I thought Kuze shouldn't be coming back...
Sorry to Kuze fans, but I feel the same way. Moreover SSS may have a "Puppet Master" in it, but I hope they also churn out something new for this movie while keeping it somewhat parallel to the manga and movie universes. I really wouldn't want to see a story about a similar Puppet Master for the third time, that's for sure.
But yes, I guess we'll have to wait and see how this turns out.
MrProphet
2006-03-25, 05:43
And that poster isreally nice - Batou's angsty pose and position makes me laugh a bit though :heh:
If they bring Kuze and Gouda in I'll be very surprised... though I thought Kuze shouldn't be coming back...
No, you guys missed the point. The poster is for the 2nd Gig. In fact, this was the promotional image for the "Individual Eleven" compilation.
It says "Solid State Society" above because the exibition is dedicated to the preview of the new movie. But the toys and most of the color images on the walls are from SAC and from 2nd Gig.
I liked the thing, but it was awefully confusing, compared to the "action" parts from the TV series which just reminded me how I must rewatch them! The "new Motoko" does indeed remind me of Electra.
Good! Then we'll just have to hang around and wait for the damn thing to air then :).
But indeed, having a female Puppet Master would be very very interesting. I'd like to see a really good female antagonist for once... one who can rival Motoko in terms of leetness would be damned awesome :D. The GITS universe seems rather male-dominated, in the settings and the portrayal of them... putting Kayabuki aside...
MrProphet
2006-03-25, 06:03
Kayabuki's l33tness kinda fizzled out during the show. When they introduced her, I kinda got the vibe that "wow, here's a lady who can stare down Motoko". But then she just degenerated into this hapless damsel-in-distress, looking for some manly help from Aramaki of all people...
So, yes, a kick-ass bad girl is more than welcome this way. Let's hope Chroma is as good an adversary as the elusive and perplexing Kuze.
EDIT: BTW, I am wondering about one thing.
They seem to be pushing SSS as some kind of an alternative GITS. But, the character Chroma appeared in the Man-Machine Interface manga (which you all must read, it's awesome!). Chroma is one of the avatars of Motoko Aramaki. She also appeared in the "Stand Alone Complex" series, in the episode Chat!Chat!Chat!, as Motoko's virtual persona.
So, is the SSS Chroma a different character? Or is Motoko really evolving into her MMI godhood?
The first time I saw that image of Chroma, she really did remind me of Motoko. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing the resemblance and possible connection. And that trailer has Batou chasing her too. Hmmm... That definitely sounds like a GITS-like scenario.
And maybe this is just me, but in terms of looks, Batou kind of reminds me of "Innocence" Batou... Perhaps it's due to the video quality influencing my wild imagination.
But indeed, having a female Puppet Master would be very very interesting. I'd like to see a really good female antagonist for once... one who can rival Motoko in terms of leetness would be damned awesome . The GITS universe seems rather male-dominated, in the settings and the portrayal of them... putting Kayabuki aside...
Yeah, haivng a female antagonist who can match Motoko would be great. :)
Why is adult swim airing Ghost in the shell now? I thought they were airing GITS 2nd Gig and they did not finish it?
Deacon Blues
2006-03-28, 12:45
A Production IG representative speaking on behalf of Ishikawa in Flordia confirmed that Bandai Entertainment has licensed the movie.
Someone have this image in his original size plz ?
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5140/11435286413215wv.jpg
Thx
MrProphet
2006-05-07, 09:56
Here you go.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1687/11435867267222ak.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11435867267222ak.jpg)
Are they allowed to say shit on TV without bleeping it now?
Cause I heard it twice in the most recent episode.
SpiritedSen
2006-05-14, 09:36
I thought that Stand Alone Complex seemed really poor against the original movie. From what I've been told, Innocence is EITHER the most beautiful anime ever made, or one of the worst films of the last 10 years!! Guess I'll have to watch it and see for myself!
Cal-Reflector
2006-05-14, 13:05
I thought that Stand Alone Complex seemed really poor against the original movie. From what I've been told, Innocence is EITHER the most beautiful anime ever made, or one of the worst films of the last 10 years!! Guess I'll have to watch it and see for myself!
It may very well be both... I did not enjoy the story very much (too dense, metaphysical, and difficult to follow and get into?) but do agree that its a utter visual feast.
I enjoyed SAC the most, probably because frankly, as the producers said themselves, that instead of going the original movie's path of a theme on metaphysical man-machine relations, SAC was "dumbed down" a bit, if you would, with a genre more in the detective/police-work vein of things, for wider appeal. Works for me, and its still a solid show that's pretty intellectual and visually appealing.
MeggieMay
2006-05-20, 06:20
I thought that Stand Alone Complex seemed really poor against the original movie. From what I've been told, Innocence is EITHER the most beautiful anime ever made, or one of the worst films of the last 10 years!! Guess I'll have to watch it and see for myself!
Well I thought Innocence was extremly beautiful visually and the music is really good but the plot is really dense - almost to the point of being unintentionally funny (it's a regular philosophy class quotathon IMO) :heh:. The film also has some serious sub issues on the R1, which makes that version really annoying. BTW, for me the issue wasn't just the subs for the hearing impaired caption issue, either. Some of the writing that pops up toward the end isn't translated well or possibly at all :confused:
That said, the English Dub for the film actually helps this film IMO! They actually managed to explain the writing at the end issue in the dub, which made that part of the film make a lot more sense.
However, a big problem with the English Dub is that is not available in R1 (I bought the R2 DVD off Amazon.uk - BTW, I've heard the sub issue was worked on for the R2 release but I've not had time to rewatch the film to check it out) :upset:. So all of this is yet another issue with Innocence that just makes the film difficult to view, IMO.
I enjoyed SAC the most, probably because frankly, as the producers said themselves, that instead of going the original movie's path of a theme on metaphysical man-machine relations, SAC was "dumbed down" a bit, if you would, with a genre more in the detective/police-work vein of things, for wider appeal. Works for me, and its still a solid show that's pretty intellectual and visually appealing.My .02 cents. Before I start I should say that I enjoy both the original GiTS movie and SAC (I haven't seen the second movie yet).
I prefer SAC, but I don't think it's "dumbed down". SAC deals more in the concrete world, while the GiTS movie deals more in metaphysics and theory. Being more abstract doesn't make it more "intelligent". If anything, dealing in abstraction usually simplifies matters (I don't believe that's true in this particular instance, but I definitely don't think of the movie as more complex than SAC). As someone who has a greater interest in social sciences, I prefer SAC, where those issues are better addressed.
SAC takes the world of GiTS and focuses on what it's actually like to live and work there; whereas the movie deals with a higher order concept. Neither is more intelligent, it just comes down to whether you prefer things that are more concrete or abstract.
physics223
2006-05-20, 11:33
Comparing SAC and Ergo Proxy, I think SAC had the better story when it was ten episodes into the series, IMO.
MrProphet
2006-05-20, 12:10
Neither is more intelligent, it just comes down to whether you prefer things that are more concrete or abstract.
Thank you for saying that. I've been thinking about this matter for some time and I applaud your ability to crystallize what I've been pondering.
Anyway, despite the heavy obfuscation that Oshii uses in both of his movies and somewhat convoluted plot sequencing, the core concept is quite simple. In a way, Innocence is an attempt to re-address the issues and conclusions of the original Ghost in the Shell, whose main idea was equally beautiful in its clear simplicity.
It was quite straighforward: "What makes a person human? Body or soul?" Oshii's answer to this kind of Cartesian dualism is rather classicist: "A human is a ghost (soul) in a shell. And it does not matter, what kind of shell". That's it, nothing more. In fact, Innocence goes only a little bit deeper than that, and its core concept is still the same quest for the true definition of a human being.
In comparision, the idea behind the TV Series (both SAC and 2nd Gig) isn't much more complex either. In a nutsheel, SAC is just a very long exposition on the concept of a simulacrum, as postulated by Jean Baudrillard. Both the Laughing Man and Individual Eleven are a copy that has no original. They purport to put up an appearance of a mythical original, but they pursue completely different routes. To quote Wiki: "a copy of a copy which has been so dissipated in its relation to the original that it can no longer be said to be a copy".
2nd Gig, like Innocence to GitS, complicates the matter somewhat by introducing the elements of the self-forming online intelligence, formed from the refugee community, but it's really just a variation of the "stand alone complex" syndrome from the first series.
To sum it all up, the issues raised in ALL incarnations of the GitS universe and NOT that complicated. They may seems really messed up as we watch this or that incarnation, but it's only because the characters themselves are on a quest to find the answers to those issues and we, by identifying ourselves with the characters, are also on a quest. But as soon as the quest is finished, as soon as the overall idea is fleshed out, well, it's not really all that complex.
Well I thought Innocence was extremly beautiful visually and the music is really good but the plot is really dense - almost to the point of being unintentionally funny (it's a regular philosophy class quotathon IMO) :heh:. The film also has some serious sub issues on the R1, which makes that version really annoying. BTW, for me the issue wasn't just the subs for the hearing impaired caption issue, either. Some of the writing that pops up toward the end isn't translated well or possibly at all :confused:
That said, the English Dub for the film actually helps this film IMO! They actually managed to explain the writing at the end issue in the dub, which made that part of the film make a lot more sense.
However, a big problem with the English Dub is that is not available in R1 (I bought the R2 DVD off Amazon.uk - BTW, I've heard the sub issue was worked on for the R2 release but I've not had time to rewatch the film to check it out) :upset:. So all of this is yet another issue with Innocence that just makes the film difficult to view, IMO.
I was lucky enough that I got to see Innocence in the theater, and was pleasantly surprised that it was subtitled. I bought the DVD when it came out and watched a few minutes of it, and was rather pissed about the closed captioning. So I haven't watched the DVD yet. The subs in the theater seemed pretty good, at least I didn't notice anything obvious. And they weren't closed captioned.
Edit: I thought I would check into this, and now I see where you could get the closed captioned discs exchanged for a properly subtittled one, but now links to do so don't seem to work. It looks like I missed out on that. :mad:
MrProphet
2006-07-08, 18:56
A new webpage for SSS with a little synopsis: http://www.productionig.com/contents/works_sp/47_/index.html
The film comes out September 1 on Pay-Per-View and November 24 on DVD.
Story
A.D. 2034. It has been two years since Motoko Kusanagi left Section 9. Togusa is now the new leader of the team, that has considerably increased its appointed personnel. The expanded new Section 9 confronts a rash of complicated incidents, and investigations reveal that an ultra-wizard hacker named the Puppeteer is behind the entire series of events.
In the midst of all, Batou, who was stalking the case on a separate track, encounters Motoko. She goes away after saying, "Stay away from the Solid State Society." Batou is left with a doubt in his mind. Could Motoko be the the Puppeteer?
The series of intriguing incidents that Section 9 faces gradually link together almost artistically. Who is the Puppeteer? What will happen to Batou's relationship with Motoko? What is the full truth behind this carefully planned perfect crime? And what will the outcome be? Mysteries surround the Solid State Society...
ZOMG! More on Batou X Motoko? Will Solid State Society deliver what Innocence could not? Can't wait! 8)
MrProphet
2006-08-04, 23:37
You may have heard about that product placement deal between Nissan and Production I.G for the Solid State Society film that got announced yesterday, but in case you didn't, here it is:
TOKYO, A.D. 2034 It's been two years since Motoko Kusanagi left Section 9, the special police force of the National Public Safety Commission. Togusa is now the new leader of the considerably expanded unit. Section 9 confronts a string of mysterious cases, and investigations reveal that a wizard hacker named the Puppeteer is behind all of them...
This is the opening setup for the science fiction full-length animated feature Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - Solid State Society, directed by Kenji Kamiyama and produced by Production I.G. In a rare collaborative event between an animation studio and an automaker, the feature will introduce animated versions of two concept vehicles The Nissan Sport Concept and Infiniti Kuraza. The Sport Concept, unveiled at the 2005 New York International Auto Show, and Infiniti Kuraza, shown at the 2005 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, are driven by Section 9's team members.
http://www.productionig.com/contents/works_sp/47_/s081_/000494.html
A lot of people are gonna cry foul, but I think it's cute, the cars look spiffy and I don't really care about the product placement aspect unless they really do some kind of an in-you-face cominatcha gimmick with character actually pimping the cars (that would be so wrong). If that doesn't happen, I don't care.
In any case, it's a lot more natural to see people drive in a Nissan car that have them eat at "WcDonald's" or have a "Somy" TV-set, or something like that. :cool:
But, that's not the point of what I was trying to say. For those of us who are actually looking forward to the movie, there are several hi-res images from Solid State Society in Nissan's press-release.
Take a look.
http://press.nissan-global.com/EN/CORPORATE/KOKAKU/index.html
Togusa looks very serious at the boss, doesn't he? 8)
A lot of people are gonna cry foul, but I think it's cute, the cars look spiffy and I don't really care about the product placement aspect unless they really do some kind of an in-you-face cominatcha gimmick with character actually pimping the cars (that would be so wrong). If that doesn't happen, I don't care.
I don't see what's the problem considering that the first movie does have product placement of its own. (http://www.answers.com/topic/san-miguel-beer-division) I don't know about the rest, but I did find it amusing that San Miguel Beer is shown in the movie. It's just brief, but it won't be the first time that a real life product is shown in the GITS universe.
This Nissan deal with Production I.G. however, seems to be bigger in comparison. Still, it's nothing to be worried about I guess. As far as aesthetics are concerned, the cars do fit in with the GITS setting. But yes, finally more images from the movie!
MrProphet
2006-08-14, 10:54
We finally have a more or less official trailer.
http://clappa.jp/special/003/special_003_02.html
Looks very SAC-like, but on a grander cinematic level. Additionally, it seems like Origa and Yoko Kanno are once again providing the theme song and BGM.
Holy shit. I was totally unaware of a third season. Praise the gods!
I need more Motoko though : ( Left Batou all alone again. Any word on who's the director? Have finals later so can't go on a long, stretched out comment on the series now..
Edit: GAH! It's a movie! : \
That's not a 3rd season. That's an OVA.
We finally have a more or less official trailer.
http://clappa.jp/special/003/special_003_02.html
Looks very SAC-like, but on a grander cinematic level. Additionally, it seems like Origa and Yoko Kanno are once again providing the theme song and BGM.
Okay, a few things.
1 - this will be awesome... it will be what people had hoped Innocence would be...
2 - Do they actually show Proto Shoot himself??
3 - it looks like Batou cut his ponytail off. He has like shoulder length hair.
4 - it's hard to tell since it's just a trailer, but it looks like Togusa's hair got darker too... strange...
5 - i can't wait!!!:eyespin:
Bummer, I rather liked Batou with his ponytail.
From the trailer I managed to pick up the line "Non-stop action, suspense", does that mean I can expect all kinds of crazy awesomeness? -_-
I need more Motoko though : ( Left Batou all alone again. Any word on who's the director? Have finals later so can't go on a long, stretched out comment on the series now..
Well, Batou and Motoko's relationship has always been the "very close yet so far" type. It's not exactly new, though I am intrigued at the possibility that this movie might be entering similar territory again. I'm just wondering if this movie will follow Innocence's example, wherein Motoko leaves forever. I like it better when she's with Section 9, dammit.
As for the trailer, we all knew that the movie is going to be SAC-like, (thank god!) but it being more cinematic and bigger in scale just sweetens the deal. I can't wait for this! September is just too far!
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-08-14, 19:48
Well, Batou and Motoko's relationship has always been the "very close yet so far" type. It's not exactly new, though I am intrigued at the possibility that this movie might be entering similar territory again. I'm just wondering if this movie will follow Innocence's example, wherein Motoko leaves forever. I like it better when she's with Section 9, dammit.
Well, if this leads to Motoko going on later to be involved with the "Man Machine Interface" manga arcs, I am all for it. Preferably as a new TV series.:p
Well, if this leads to Motoko going on later to be involved with the "Man Machine Interface" manga arcs, I am all for it. Preferably as a new TV series.:p
Coming from similar opinions as that of Cal-Reflector and rooboy666's, I simply prefer the SAC atmosphere more. All the action and crime-solving aspects just give the entire setting something a bit more concrete to work with.
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 01:47
As much as I love MMI and as cool as MMI would look animated, I don't think they'll ever go this direction.
The SAC universe was specifically created to focus more on the adventures of Section 9, not Motoko as a person (as the movies did), so I doubt that in the context of the SAC world we'll ever see them abandon Section 9.
A more Innocence-like scenario is more probable and, in fact, an Innnocence-like scenario is being animated in Solid State Society.
BTW, I wonder. Seeing as how Motoko is using Chroma's body in the trailer... do you think that's all we'll see, or will Motoko come in her original body as well?
wingdarkness
2006-08-15, 02:04
The trailer didn't really work for me, but I was able to see the great animation quality we know and love...I'm also glad the SAC universe still holds true as it's feel is much more layered IMO...Coudn't really make out Motoko, so she is in a new body for this movie? As for the product placement, who cares as long as the chase scene looks great...Innovation like that is alright with me...
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 02:13
Yes, she uses a slightly different cyber-body. This is one of her avatars, called Chroma. She appeared before in the first SAC, in the episode Chat!Chat!Chat!, when Motoko was talking with people in the cyber chatroom.
Remember her?
http://www.dannychoo.com/images/photo/2097.jpg
Originally, she was from the MMI manga, where Chroma was one of Motoko Aramaki's multiple avatars. Kamiyama sort of used her as homage to Shirow. 8)
wingdarkness
2006-08-15, 02:25
Oh yeah that's the body she uses when hacking that mainframe...The ep when that guy (working for the rival intelligence agency) with the scarred, burned face and head tries to catch her before she logs off...(I coulda sworn that was in 2nd GIG aswell)...So she's gonna use her all movie?? It actually looks like her anyways as sexy as usual...She looks like a naughty secretary in that form^^...
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 03:33
No, in the trailer we see the regular Motoko as well.
The SAC universe was specifically created to focus more on the adventures of Section 9, not Motoko as a person (as the movies did), so I doubt that in the context of the SAC world we'll ever see them abandon Section 9.
A more Innocence-like scenario is more probable and, in fact, an Innnocence-like scenario is being animated in Solid State Society.
Question: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MMI somewhat connected to Innocence anyway? Kind of like what was going on from Motoko's end through a more Shirow-esque style of storytelling?
With regard to that bit about this being like an Innocence-like scenario all the way to the end, I think it all depends whether or not Production I.G. would like to keep the SAC universe open for more installments. I just can't imagine another SAC series (or OVA) without Motoko's real presence in the story.
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 04:35
Well, it was never confirmed by Oshii, but I've always assumed that Innocence is taking place as the same time as MMI, but while MMI is Motoko's story, Innocence is Batou's. It follows logically, since Innocence is a true sequel to GITS movie and MMI is a true sequel to GITS manga.
GITS movie does not always follow GITS manga, but the basic storyline (and the conclusion) is there, so it's reasonable to assume that Motoko Aramaki could has come back before she started working for Poseidon in MMI.
The SAC storyline, on the other hand, has a completely different time-line and setup, so Kamiyama is, at most, paying homage to Oshii's and Shirow's work, while using his own story. Yes, SSS is reminiscent of Innocence in the fact that Motoko leaves Section 9 and then comes back in a different cyber-body. But that's it.
We can imagine that the reasons why Motoko left in the first place are somehow similar to the events of the first film, but it's only a guess right now. I think it would somehow be connected to the Solid State Society more than the Puppet Master.
Since MMI's initial logic directly follows Motoko's ascendancy to cyber-godhood, which hasn't yet happened in SAC, I don't see how a true MMI can happen.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-08-15, 05:03
Question: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MMI somewhat connected to Innocence anyway? Kind of like what was going on from Motoko's end through a more Shirow-esque style of storytelling?
With regard to that bit about this being like an Innocence-like scenario all the way to the end, I think it all depends whether or not Production I.G. would like to keep the SAC universe open for more installments. I just can't imagine another SAC series (or OVA) without Motoko's real presence in the story.
Personally, I don't agree that the SAC universe should last too long.
Yes, I enjoy SAC immensely. But at some stage the Ghost in the Shell franchise would need to be rebooted and start anew rather than continue on indefinitely.
Quite simply, as a Sci-Fi series GitS needs to keep itself up to date. It's not just a matter of updating the electronic gadgets or military equipment of Section 9, but the updating of the political climate and social concerns as to match what people worry about in the near future.
Without the Internet, we would never have had the episode "Chat! Chat! Chat", or even anything to do with the Laughing Man and the proverbial Standalone Complex. What was once an issue with the GitS manga, concerning the lasting effects of the Cold War and the Superpowers, were now a distant memory replaced by fears of domestic terrorism.
Even though it IS possible for SAC as a series to continue story-line wise for several more years, I don't wish for that. The manga "The Silent Service" was a respected political manga concerning the two Superpowers and the power of the Nuke. Yet the plot lost its relevance when, half-way through the run of the series, the Soviet Union collapsed in real life. The same could happen to SAC if we were to keep the setting that was written in 2002 way past its used-by-date.
At some point, SAC should conclude with a bang.
And sometime in the near future after that, in a world we could not even begin to imagine, where wars are fought in a manner we couldn't comprehend, for reasons and factions we could never have predicted to exist, Ghost in the Shell would rise up anew.
Motoko will still be the same as she always had been, teasing Monkeyface as he is still her boss.
Batou would still be by her side, being there for her whether she thinks she needs his help or not.
Tougasa would, as always, be the new rookie. Offering fresh perspective as the sole member with no military background. He would be happily married and has a child.
The Tachikomas would be as innocent as ever.
The new GITS would be the same from SAC, yet different from SAC. By then, the whole world we live in would have changed, and so will our expectations of the future. The new Section 9, like the Timelord in "Doctor Who", would show us the way.
And all this would only be possible, if Section 9 isn't stuck in the past; isn't stuck in settings and locations devised in 2002.:)
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 05:28
And all this would only be possible, if Section 9 isn't stuck in the past; isn't stuck in settings and locations devised in 2002.:)
I don't feel that way.
The SAC timeline is not static as you say, but moves on over time. The original SAC series might have had the properties you mention, but the timeline itself has been evolving. 2nd Gig offered a new, updated persepective, with Togusa being more involved in the action sequences and Tachikoma's changing their whole mindset and the Section 9 starting anew in completely new realities.
While the plot of SAC was more of a classic GITS cyber-terrorism story, 2nd Gig introduced completely new aspects to the adventures of the protagonists. The whole business with Kuze and societal molding was quite inventive in my opinion. SSS, or what we know of it, evolves the characters ever further with Togusa becoming Aramaki's deputy instead of, say, vastly more experienced Batou. I am sure that we'll see other alterations and updates as well.
The timeline cannot jump too far or change too drastically as you would try to suggest because the time frame is not that large (2030 to 2034) and no singular life-chaning event seems to have occured vis-a-vis the characters or their setting.
Man-Machine Interface was such a monumental and significant change in comparison to Ghost in the Shell exactly because the ending of GITS was life-changing. The whole paradigm of Motoko's existance has shifted up several levels. It was not an incremental change, her life litarally went through the roof.
Such paradigm shift has yet to occur in the context of the SAC timeline, thus all changes have to be incremental. If they are not, it simply wouldn't be believable or plausible.
I still feel that SAC is relevant to today's realities and the examples you've offered do not really correspond to the events that take place now. Cyber-terrorism is still relevant, artificial intelligence and cyber-prosthetics are still relevant, the secret societies and nefarious plots are still relevant. Each new installment of the SAC series introduced new exciting storylines that offered a new fresh look at the characters. The changes weren't drastic, certainly, but they needn't be drastic and they ought not be drastic at all.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2006-08-15, 05:42
Oh, I agree that there is still plenty of room for SAC sequels. I am counting on it.
I was merely pointing out that at some indeterminate point in the future, GitS would need to be reset.
(Even though aging won't be an issue mostly, there is still the fact that the characters would be forced to act their age. Batou who worked with Motoko for twenty years would be very different from the Batou who worked with Motoko for fifty years.)
That's not the only issue, but as I say, it doesn't matter. I am not against continuing the SAC universe, but I AM looking forward to its inevitable conclusion at some point, and how dramatic an ending it's going be.
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 06:03
Sure, I agree with that myself. Sometimes a good thing needs to end before it becomes stale. It's infinitely better to finish SAC while it's on top of its game.
We'll have to see what kind of conclusion SSS offers...
bluelotus
2006-08-15, 07:51
There is another trailer from the august production note DVD of Production IG over at gits-fans.com. Torrent:
http://tracker.gits-fans.com/torrents/(dvd)_GitS_SAC_Solid_State_Society_(SSS)_trailer%2 Bsfv.torrent
(ca. 80 MB VOB)
It's more like a sample of the SAC-Universe with a flow through the original series, then 2nd GIG and finally Solid State Society. Music is good :)
MrProphet
2006-08-15, 10:25
That's the thing that was shown during Tokyo Anime Fair back in Spring. Here's that trailer: http://www.dannychoo.com/blogg_post/eng/466/
But it's your version is better, of course.
Oh, I agree that there is still plenty of room for SAC sequels. I am counting on it.
I was merely pointing out that at some indeterminate point in the future, GitS would need to be reset.
I'm not actually counting on a dramatic ending.. we all know what Japanese animators like to give us, up in the arse ; ) I've kept track of all the GITS material like you guys have, including the manga. And I'm not sure I would really want to see a "reset" like how Kamiyama "reset" the universe in comparison to Oshii, or even how Oshii "reset" the universe in comparison to Shirow.
The three lines of GITS are all very fascinating, and for different reasons (unlike the discussion that seems to run through here, I don't Oshii's movies in lower regard w.r.t. to the Kamiyama's series).. But without any sort of radical, or at least significant change in the next reset, my guess is that I'll grow tired of the settings and characters. I'd rather the series put to rest, at least for some time..
Solid State Society seems to be very interesting for now though. We'll get to see Kamiyama's take on the Puppeteer event, now that Oshii's take is already a decade old..
Deacon Blues
2006-08-18, 12:26
Like the site says, "Puppeteer' isn't the official translation.
http://clappa.jp/special/003/special_003_02.html
New trailer... dialogue, russian song... fappage. =D
MrProphet
2006-08-18, 12:32
Origa is as unintelligible as ever. All I could get from the song is "Я не жалею ни о чём... " (Which means "I regret about nothing...")
The rest is her usual mish-mash of Russian and Japanese.
so a friend of mine was watching 2nd gig on dvd from netflix and she asked me this:
"why does the other person have to be a virgin prior to being turned into a cyborg?"
of all the questions one could have about 2nd gig, she said this was the only thing that confused her. the only thing!
at least it was from the episode with Batou and Gouda having an incomrehensible philosophical conversation about terrorism, ethics, morality, and life in general... you know, the one that confused everybody else when we were watching the subs... :eyespin:
anyway, when she asked me this, i didn't have an answer... so i was wondering if MrProphet or anyone else knew the answer...:confused:
so a friend of mine was watching 2nd gig on dvd from netflix and she asked me this:
"why does the other person have to be a virgin prior to being turned into a cyborg?"
Where does this happen? I don't remember seeing this. Can you cite the episode and time?
And thanks, bluelotus, for setting up the file.
Deacon Blues
2006-08-24, 14:39
The conclusion that I reached with that comment was that it was so they are a pure and untainted person...
Where does this happen? I don't remember seeing this. Can you cite the episode and time?
And thanks, bluelotus, for setting up the file.
i can't at the moment... i'd have to go look it up...
somewhere 20-23... def not in 24-26
it's when they have half the city shut down from the nuclear threat
prior to going into the refugee area
while Matoko and the others are taking care of the bomb, Batou and Gouda have a long discussion on the roof of the building.... there are lots of crows on the roof, and one is a white crow, symbolizing Kuze and the P11.
samurai666
2006-08-31, 13:24
Like the site says, "Puppeteer' isn't the official translation.
http://clappa.jp/special/003/special_003_02.html
New trailer... dialogue, russian song... fappage. =D
Anyone know of a way to download this? The other trailer has the old music.
i searched high and low and can't help you
besides, i know that's just a trailer which is an advertisement which bandai should be happy about you downloading, but since it's kind of "mega licensed" no one will tell you how to download anything i'm guessing
but while googling around, i ended up on youtube and found this very interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXn5rTSbvY
now that's something i'd like to see fansubbed
EDIT actually, they have the trailer on stage6, but then they make you install divx
bluelotus
2006-09-01, 10:54
Well - now that Solid State Society obviously aired in Japan: did anyone know if there is a blogger who summarizes GitS SSS? :)
Deacon Blues
2006-09-01, 12:56
Well, I managed to watch this movie and my ultimate impression is that most fans probably won't like it. There isn't much action in it and it is very politically and dialogue (as usual) driven.
I'm very confused with this movie. We have characters from the first movie appearing in it... and... in the end nothing ever happened? I was rather disappointed of how quickly the cityscape changed when compared to the series. The infrastructures were very different that those in the series and lacked detail at times. The Tachikoma's appear again and I don't think they explained how they survived (aside from the memory backup in the series), so that was rather WTFish (I think it was mentioned at the end, but I can't remember). I'm hoping they don't milk this any further in terms of another series. It would be interesting, but it's rather lame if you ask me. We've got some solid music, so I look forward to the soundtrack.
Good opening/ending song.
I'll try summarizing it when I can watch it again.
bluelotus
2006-09-01, 14:02
I'll try summarizing it when I can watch it again.
That would be great :) Thanx.
I don't read your spoiler yet because I'll see this movie right now. But since I don't speak Japanese at all and if it's so dialog-driven as you say I'll be totally lost without a summarize. So thanx again in advance :)
*sighs*
So much for people taking Bandai seriously...
tsurumaru
2006-09-02, 19:09
I also caught the movie, but happened to like it. I mean come on if you've ever watched or read any GitS you aren't exactly going to be shocked by a high quantity of dialogue. Also the movie isn't as actionless as lets say Patlabor 2 compared to the first one. I do agree that certain points weren't covered with the depth that they could have been however this is to be expected with the limited timeframe a TV movie has to deal with. (A solid 1hr 48mins)
Bandai have said the SAC universe won't end with SSS so personally I look forward to further updates to the series.
i watched it too
it looks like they could easily continue with a 3rd gig that would pick up where the movie leaves off
personally, i liked the movie, but this could have been like the first 8 or so episodes of a 3rd gig... oh well, it is definitely better than most stuff out there and better than having no new SAC at all
i really do hope someone subs that 15 minute behind the scenes featurette that i found on youtube
MeggieMay
2006-09-02, 23:46
So does anyone know of a blog that has a summery of the new movie?
bluelotus
2006-09-03, 05:44
So does anyone know of a blog that has a summery of the new movie?
Unfortunately not - at least I couldn't find any :(
For the Movie - although I couldn't understand a damn thing (I barely anticipated what's it all about) - the animation and amount of action is exactly what I had expected from a SAC-Special like this. So far I liked it very much. But for a 'rating' I naturally need to know what the plot is all about :heh: *LOL*
And the Tachikomas are back! *yippeee* :D
I don't know how the other tanks (how are they called?... ahh... 'Fuchikoma') are described in the mangas - but as far as I saw them in this movie - I didn't like them since they obviously are ... only tanks!... a tool with a mechanical voice and without any intelligance or personality.
Aniki Meiski
2006-09-03, 11:26
So SSS is partly based on the original comic GiTS1 Ch.2 Super Spartan. There are plenty of gratuitous cameos, Nakamura, Kayabuki, Tonoda, Kubota. The Tachikomas now have names, Locki, Conan, Max, Musashi... Togusa is starting to get fat. Some cars drive on the right and some on the left. Every prop looks like Nissan dashboard. Togusa's daughter is cute. Saito's sniping is cool. Proto is a fully fledged field operative. Togusa is the field lead. The Major is freelancing.
bluelotus
2006-09-03, 13:06
@Aniki
*lol*
Well - that was a pretty short, funny and rapid firery sumup :D
One thing I learnt from your description...
...was that the Tachikomas now have names :)
But I still don't know what the plot is all about...
Some weeks ago you ask your blog reader what to blog about next. If you don't have more important things to do now - can you please summarize this for us?
Did I told you that I loved your work on 'Erugo Prakshi' ...? :cool:
Errorsol
2006-09-03, 20:47
Anyone know where I can find a bigger version of this image?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/TheGuiltyGear/Section9.jpg
Preferably in wallpaper size
MrProphet
2006-09-05, 08:12
There's an official wallpaper of that, in fact.
Go here: http://www.ghostintheshell.com.au/2ndgig/
Then go to Extras.
Voila.
So does anyone know of a blog that has a summery of the new movie?
Bandai put the fear of The Major in them. ;) If you want to see some caps, look here (http://wakaranai.animeblogger.net/?p=378).
Just an OOC FYI.
Today on the road I spotted a car with the License Plate '<3 GITS XXX'
Thinking it was something else, I went closer and the rim says (My Other Car is a Tachikoma).
Hehehe! I got a good laugh from that one.
I will assume you read these boards Mr GITS.
I just watched this ep of GITS 2nd gig the tv series. This ep is about Togusa being on trial because he injured a man while trying to save a woman crying for help. That woman was killed by that man anyway. Togusa got really angry and fired several shots to that man. Since he has prosthetic body, he was injured but not dead. I imagine the repair will be easy since that man is rich.
What I don't understand is the concept of Togusa being on trial. I thought the concept should be that Togusa should not have fired anything after the victom is dead. He had upperhanded that guy. Togusa should have just waited until the reforcement came and had the man arrested. Instead, he fired shots to that man, which is unnecessary and purely out of anger. That spells revenge and taking law into your own hand. I thought that was the point.
But they say that the reason Togusa is on trial is that he fired his weapon off duty. What? Does that mean if this were a case Togusa was working on, he would have the right to shot that man as he did?
I am talking about the incident and what it is on the surface. I know that the underline reason is not this. I think this is very, very, strange, at least.
I just watched this ep of GITS 2nd gig the tv series. This ep is about Togusa being on trial because he injured a man while trying to save a woman crying for help. That woman was killed by that man anyway. Togusa got really angry and fired several shots to that man. Since he has prosthetic body, he was injured but not dead. I imagine the repair will be easy since that man is rich.
What I don't understand is the concept of Togusa being on trial. I thought the concept should be that Togusa should not have fired anything after the victom is dead. He had upperhanded that guy. Togusa should have just waited until the reforcement came and had the man arrested. Instead, he fired shots to that man, which is unnecessary and purely out of anger. That spells revenge and taking law into your own hand. I thought that was the point.
But they say that the reason Togusa is on trial is that he fired his weapon off duty. What? Does that mean if this were a case Togusa was working on, he would have the right to shot that man as he did?
Togusa shot him up to immobilize him completely, as he had claimed that he to have turned off his pain receptors, and was still holding a live weapon which he had used even when he was thought to be immobilized moments before.
I am talking about the incident and what it is on the surface. I know that the underline reason is not this. I think this is very, very, strange, at least.
Togusa was not on trial (yet), the murderer was. The defense was claiming that it was an accident due to a malfunction of the murderer's cybernetic body, and was attempting to discredit Togusa's testimony as the sole witness by 'proving' that he was a closet anti-cyborg bigot, and trigger happy gun nut, and thus an unreliable witness.
In addition, the whole trial was actually being used to expose Section 9 again in a bad light in public opinion, by going into their sensitive operations during cross-examination, like the defense had threaten to do if he continued to testify.
Arcueidt
2006-11-08, 20:42
Togusa shows a very naive sense of justice in the end of this episode :x .
Btw, in episode 19 one of the rookies smokes opium?
I was googling for an anime forum to answer some questions and stumbled on animesuki, looks great but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of Ghost in the Shell series discussion here. Could somebody maybe point me to a good place to look, about 2nd gig in particular? The ending confused the hell out of me. :heh:
MrProphet
2007-02-04, 17:23
Why not discuss it here?
Why not discuss it here?
Oh my bad, I did a 2nd gig search and didn't see there was an official thread. I guess my post got merged, thanks!
Here are my questions about the ending. Major spoilers obviously...
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Were we told who PM Kayabuki finally contacted that seemed to be of such importance? If so it completely went over my head.
Shortly after the nuke was stopped there's the scene with Gohda on his cell telling someone that it doesn't matter, we can still use Kayabuki's actions to spur a Cold-War style military industrial complex (or something to that effect). But didn't Section 9 have enough evidence to expose the CIS' conspiracy and treason? I figured that threw a wrench in their plans, but did they have an out of some sort? I really loved the whole neo-conservative angle to this season's plot. ;)
After Motoko finally blows Gohda's head off, suddenly there's some kind realization after they recognize the American operative he was working with. Motoko flies out the window in pursuit. Then they cut to Kuze being offed by someone who tells him his country doesn't need a charismatic figure like him. I didn't really get what happened here at all. Did Kuze land in the American Empire's hands?
The very last scene where the entire group is monitoring the Cherry Blossoms (?!). Everyone looks bored and waiting on Motoko's next move. Aramaki mentions something about a budget being passed in parliament, and finally Motoko gives the A-OK. I really didn't get the symbolism here, if there was any?
smeg4brainsuk
2007-02-04, 17:49
Not many discussions about it because everyone knows that GitS>everything else :D
On a side note what parts confused you?
Edit: just seen your post, i can reply later when im back from work lol
MrProphet
2007-02-04, 18:05
After Motoko finally blows Gohda's head off, suddenly there's some kind realization after they recognize the American operative he was working with. Motoko flies out the window in pursuit. Then they cut to Kuze being offed by someone who tells him his country doesn't need a charismatic figure like him. I didn't really get what happened here at all. Did Kuze land in the American Empire's hands?
I assumed that CIA killed Kuze. And Motoko has recognized the American as one of the CIA operatives from season 1.
The very last scene where the entire group is monitoring the Cherry Blossoms (?!). Everyone looks bored and waiting on Motoko's next move. Aramaki mentions something about a budget being passed in parliament, and finally Motoko gives the A-OK. I really didn't get the symbolism here, if there was any?
This is scene is an almost exact replica of Chapter 1 of the original GITS manga. That's exactly how the original Section 9 story began, so the anime symbolically used it as an ending for the 2nd gig.
smeg4brainsuk
2007-02-05, 03:37
Ah well MrProphet beat me to it ^^
But yeah the ending of 2nd Gig is a really nice touch, they got everything just right, right down to the look of the tachikoma's
Tinkerbell
2007-02-05, 05:51
On the bright side, with Section 9 still active and the American Empire (or just the CIA? Someone correct me if I'm wrong) revealed to have been working with Gouda to reform Japan, it leaves a lot of space for a 3rd season. Yay!:heh:
smeg4brainsuk
2007-02-05, 07:16
Section 9 will live on forever!!!! (well at least it better do :P). Hopefuly after SSS is released on dvd in the west they might reveal some info about a new series or film ^^
Were we told who PM Kayabuki finally contacted that seemed to be of such importance? If so it completely went over my head.
I'm pretty sure she contacted the chief of their own airforce. I believe they hinted it when the US nuclear sub commander was looking out for the nuclear explosion and 2 jet fighter flew towards em bearing japanese flag. On that scene, she quote announced her plan for the country's future foreign policy.
IMO, instead of asking for foreign help... kayabuki mobilized her own forces therefore, pushing Japan towards being a true independent country. Gouda original intent was to push for a cold war between American Empire and China i think, using Japan and it's immigrant problem as a catalyst. Probably gaining profits through the military buildups from both country as what we seen from the US-Soviet cold war.
There were some REALLY good songs used as BGM on last night's second GiG episode, but after listening to samples of all three OSTs plus Be Human, I can't find them anywhere! :(
The episode is 5 of the second season, Those Who Have the Motive/INDUCTANCE. The first song I like is where Aramaki is talking to the Gov't people in the neginning of the episode. It's starts off as a percussion/bongo piece but then transitions into this great dissonant sounding violin track with lots of strings.
The second song also has a really mysterious/minimalist sound....it plays when we first see Kuze and then Gouda working as his desk. I think this flute piece plays again when the PM recieves that present, lol.
I'll be really upset if this music isn't on any of the 5 OSTs that have been released. I guess right now I'm hoping that it's on the Solid State cd, because that's the only one I haven't heard samples for. But on the other hand, I might have missed it earlier.
And are there any sites that have a list of what music was played in each episode? I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
Wosho128
2007-06-17, 18:40
I'm not sure about music guides. But there is still a forum around that discusses specific Yoko Kanno music. Here (http://www.monkey-pirate.com/ykdb/) is the link. Users on that forum talk about the little details of her music like where some songs first originated from and e.t.c. My point is; users on that forum might be able to help you track down those songs you're looking for since most users are big fanatics over there.
Oh, and the second season of this series was great. There are so many subplots but it's wonderful how the directors keep the series fresh.
Twisted Reality
2007-06-17, 19:42
so a friend of mine was watching 2nd gig on dvd from netflix and she asked me this:
"why does the other person have to be a virgin prior to being turned into a cyborg?"
of all the questions one could have about 2nd gig, she said this was the only thing that confused her. the only thing!
at least it was from the episode with Batou and Gouda having an incomrehensible philosophical conversation about terrorism, ethics, morality, and life in general... you know, the one that confused everybody else when we were watching the subs... :eyespin:
anyway, when she asked me this, i didn't have an answer... so i was wondering if MrProphet or anyone else knew the answer...:confused:
They have to be virgins before becoming cyborgs to be susceptible to the Individual Eleven virus. My particular translation was kinda wonky, but I took this to mean that virgins are really more susceptible to making themselves martyrs. Gouda proposed that immature youth were more desirous of putting themselves in a cause that was larger than themselves. He reveals that he was basically the same way before his disfiguring injury. The shlub from episode 2 is pretty much an ideal case of the "virgin martyr."
My guess is that virgins have less familial obligations or likelihood of tying themselves down to a family. Being a cyborg tends to alienate you moreso from human contact. So instead, they look for meaning in other aspects of life. I think the Individual Eleven virus was just supposed to push them into becoming terrorists.
Also, the ravens in that scene were lead by a white raven. The white raven symbolically represents Kuze. Basically, Gouda and Batou were debating various aspects of the hero-myth. Gouda was trying to engineer his own social hero to manipulate for his own ends, particularly by making the refugee-nativist struggle worse .
Has anyone watch the Solid State Society movie on the Sci-Fi channel? I missed the first thirty minutes and wonder if anyone know what was going on in that movie.
TinyRedLeaf
2007-06-20, 07:36
^ I think you're more likely to find what you're looking for here:
Ghost in the Shell: Solid State Society (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=33978&page=4&highlight=solid+state+society)
Can someone explain how Togusa sometimes "mindspeaks" with others, when he is supposed to be "pure" flesh-and-bones human, without any cyber attachments ???
MrProphet
2007-07-10, 18:45
Motoko has a cyberbrain. Togusa has a cyberbrain.
Motoko is a cyborg. Togusa is not a cyborg.
See the difference? Apart from a cyberbrain, Togusa is completely human. Motoko (Batou, Ishikawa, Pazu, etc.) is a complete cyborg. Unlike Togusa, the only parts of them that are human are their brain and spinal cord.
A cyberbrain is an implant that allows a human to interface with the network. "Mental communication" requires a cyberbrain. It does not require any other prosthetics or replacements.
Cal-Reflector
2007-07-10, 20:51
Motoko has a cyberbrain. Togusa has a cyberbrain.
Motoko is a cyborg. Togusa is not a cyborg.
See the difference? Apart from a cyberbrain, Togusa is completely human. Motoko (Batou, Ishikawa, Pazu, etc.) is a complete cyborg. Unlike Togusa, the only parts of them that are human are their brain and spinal cord.
A cyberbrain is an implant that allows a human to interface with the network. "Mental communication" requires a cyberbrain. It does not require any other prosthetics or replacements.
Other thoughts and questions on cyborg bodies and brains:
The interceptor implant, which is at the forefront of Big Brother surveillance technology in the future, requires a cyberbrain, correct?
I suspect lose their sense of taste, and possibly smell as well. Batou cannot get drunk because his body breaks down any alcohol he consumes.
Cyborgs do not need to eat, correct?
Do Cyborgs need to sleep?
Cyborgs lose their reproductive functions, so combined with alot of the drawbacks/advantages above, becoming a cyborg might not be such a great idea after all. What percentage of the world's population in GITS GIG2 time has adopted cyborg bodies, you think?
TinyRedLeaf
2007-07-10, 21:37
See the difference? Apart from a cyberbrain, Togusa is completely human. Motoko (Batou, Ishikawa, Pazu, etc.) is a complete cyborg. Unlike Togusa, the only parts of them that are human are their brain and spinal cord.
What about Saito, the sniper? I seem to recall that only his master eye is prosthetic. I may have remembered wrongly. In any case, is he a cyborg too?
Other thoughts and questions on cyborg bodies and brains:
I suspect lose their sense of taste, and possibly smell as well. Batou cannot get drunk because his body breaks down any alcohol he consumes.
Cyborgs do not need to eat, correct?
Do Cyborgs need to sleep?
Cyborgs lose their reproductive functions, so combined with alot of the drawbacks/advantages above, becoming a cyborg might not be such a great idea after all. What percentage of the world's population in GITS GIG2 time has adopted cyborg bodies, you think?
I would think if your whole body was mechanical, then certain biological functions like eating, (crapping), and reproduction can be turned "on" and "off" at will. They don't necessarily "lose" their physical senses. Rather, I think the senses are reproduced through artificial means.
I'm no doctor, but if cyborgs still possess an organic brain, then I think they would need sleep sooner or later. They might be able to "inject" stimulants to stay awake, but their brains would need rest sooner or later, no?
Then again, I'm not altogether certain how much of their organic "brain" remains after augmentation. I vaguely recall that only a few brain cells are left after they become cyborgs. The rest of their brains are augmented.
That was what led Motoko to muse (I'm not sure if it was in the movie or the manga) whether she still had a "unique" identity. The idea being that our sense of identity is derived from more than just a sum of our minds and bodies. So, if our bodies were artificial, to what extent can we still claim to be unique individuals?
MrProphet
2007-07-11, 00:52
The interceptor implant, which is at the forefront of Big Brother surveillance technology in the future, requires a cyberbrain, correct?
"Interceptor implant"? I am not familiar with the term.
I suspect lose their sense of taste, and possibly smell as well. Batou cannot get drunk because his body breaks down any alcohol he consumes.
Motoko and others retain the sense of touch (and other senses as well). She cannot get drunk because he cannot digest spirits, but he certainly can taste them if necessary.
Although, the purpose of tasting alcohol is rather soundly defeated.
Cyborgs do not need to eat, correct?
They certainly need to eat, but they cannot eat anything. Only special "cyborg food".
Do Cyborgs need to sleep?
They don't require it, but they can, either out of force of habit, or to simulate a normal life cycle.
Cyborgs lose their reproductive functions, so combined with alot of the drawbacks/advantages above, becoming a cyborg might not be such a great idea after all. What percentage of the world's population in GITS GIG2 time has adopted cyborg bodies, you think?
Not many. Japan has a large rate of cyberisation because of the lack of inherent religious and moral boundaries, but prosthetics-enabled humans remain a distinct minority.
Cyborgs are used primarily by the government (law-enforcement and military) as well as in the field of medicine. While the cyborg technology is very advanced, it has not spread due to staggering costs of installing prosthetics.
However, the majority of the population has installed cyberbrains. To avoid confusion, a cyberbrain is a micromachine computer terminal that is connected directly into the central nervous system and the brain. This technology is extremely prevalent. In fact, those who, for whatever reason, refuse to connect via the cyberbrains are considered "stand alone" (thus the title of the TV series).
What about Saito, the sniper? I seem to recall that only his master eye is prosthetic. I may have remembered wrongly. In any case, is he a cyborg too?
Everyone in Section 9 except for Togusa and Aramaki is a partial cyborg. Some more that others. Saito has less that Motoko or Batou (who are complete cyborgs), but he has quite a lot more than just the eye.
They might be able to "inject" stimulants to stay awake, but their brains would need rest sooner or later, no?
The "brain" doesn't need rest. In fact, your brain doesn't even have nervous endings and cannot "feel". The body certainly needs rest for the purposes of anabolism and the brain is a control mechanism that tells the body when it needs to shut down.
Togusa has a cyberbrain.
He was supposed to not have ANYTHING cybernetic inside his body, that was why he was asked to join S9, rewatch the original movie, they clearly say so, that he doesnt want anything done to him at all.
MrProphet
2007-07-11, 01:29
He was supposed to not have ANYTHING cybernetic inside his body, that was why he was asked to join S9, rewatch the original movie, they clearly say so, that he doesnt want anything done to him at all.
*shrug*
Togusa doesn't have any cybernetic replacements. A cyberbrain is not a prosthetic.
You are not required to believe me, but I think I've seen enough of Ghost in the Shell to know what's "supposed" to be and what's not.
A cyberbrain is not a prosthetic.
What is it, then, if its not a prosthetic ?
MrProphet
2007-07-11, 02:19
What is it, then, if its not a prosthetic ?
It's a micromachine implant. It augments the brain, it does not replace it.
Whatever, he's still not pure human anymore, and he is supposed to be.
MrProphet
2007-07-11, 03:15
Whatever, he's still not pure human anymore, and he is supposed to be.
In your imagination, perhaps.
I can provide multiple pages from Ghost in the Shell manga where Togusa is communicating with others via a cyberbrain.
Cal-Reflector
2007-07-11, 03:26
Mr. Prophet: The interceptor device was featured prominently in the one of the earlier episodes (2, 3?) of season 2, involving an incident of a police acquaintance of Togusa who mailed photos to him before he was killed in feigned car accident when the interceptor messed up his eyes. Later, in episode 4 or 5, Prime Minister Kayabuki agrees to let Motoko monitor her activities through an interceptor in exchange for her wish to practice Zen meditation. Through Kayabuki's eyes, Motoko spots the assassin Kuze and stops him before he can make kill Kayabuki. I think the episode in which the interceptor first appears may have been titled "interceptor."
On cyberbrain implants: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt in the TV series at least that Togusa has a cyberbrain implant, which is probably a minimal requirement. In Solid State Society, parts of his bodily functions are hacked and taken over, which would be impossible if he didn't have a cyberbrain (Though by the time of the movie it seems that he may have gotten other cyborg parts as well, due to previous close-death encounters, getting shot, etc). Also, the reason Togusa was asked to join Section 9 was not only because of his biological body, but also because unlike other members, who are all ex-military, he's from the police, and offers a valuable different perspective.
If I'm not mistaken, in the anime series (not sure about the movie or manga), Togusa was drafted into Section 9 thanks to Motoko herself. She values his old school style detective abilities and that's what got him her approval.
There's an episode from the first season where she watches him work, as he pours himself over a bunch of data, and I think her reason for bringing him over is mentioned in that episode. Actually, I find Togusa and Motoko's relationship pretty interesting. Nothing in that sense per se, but between two trusted co-workers with an "aneki looking out for the rookie" type of feel. ...Well, at least for that one episode anyway.
JagdPanther
2007-07-11, 08:51
Well, adding to the Togusa/cyborg thing above...
It's possible that the lines are shifted in the GitS-verse. It's possible that the Cyberbrains are SOOOOOOOOO prevalent, that having one is totally natural and not really considered a cybernetic.
And I think cybernetic really refers more to a total replacement of a body part. A cyberbrain cannot work without part of the brain stem, at least, still there. Cybernetics are a total replacement of a body part, potentially all of the body, as in Motoko's case.
WanderingKnight
2007-07-11, 10:42
A cyberbrain cannot work without part of the brain stem, at least, still there.Yes, but in fact, most of the brain remains, not only the stem. It's kind of an outsider "equipment" for your brain, it doesn't really replace it, but as it has been said, it augments it.
JagdPanther
2007-07-11, 12:42
Yes, but in fact, most of the brain remains, not only the stem. It's kind of an outsider "equipment" for your brain, it doesn't really replace it, but as it has been said, it augments it.
No, I know, that's why I said, "at least." Motoko apparently only has a part of her brain stem still remaining, while others have most of their brain.
Does any one have a timeline/summary of the Laughing Man Case in Season 1?
kauldron26
2007-07-24, 11:41
i've always wondered because ive had this show on mh HDD for like a yr now and i havent watched it. does it have an overarching story, or is it episodic?? any character developments?? and what about 2nd gig?
1st gig looks like an overall story but is mostly episodic.
2nd gig on the other hand looks like an Episodic but is really a complete story.
And the Movie looks like Filler but is really a sorta '3rd' gig.
aduialion
2007-08-02, 11:17
so yeah, basically im looking for a list of episodes from either season of ghost in a shell, but only the ones that involve the laughing man or individual 11
thx,,,
just a link or something is perfect i dont want anyone typing out a crazy long list if they dont need too.. thx
this is really my gf in anime form (real life not just joking)
http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/06/29/h-104_55798_satoko02.jpg.jpg
JagdPanther
2007-08-02, 19:13
so yeah, basically im looking for a list of episodes from either season of ghost in a shell, but only the ones that involve the laughing man or individual 11
thx,,,
just a link or something is perfect i dont want anyone typing out a crazy long list if they dont need too.. thx
Wikipedia is your friend. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Stand_Alone_Complex_ep isodes
Tiberium Wolf
2007-08-13, 18:04
I checked anidb and that thing is in a mess...
So my understanding we have:
GITS movie -> 1995
GITS SAC -> 2002-2003
GITS 2 movie Innocence -> 2004
GITS SAC 2ND GIG -> 2003-2004
GITS SAC SSS -> 2006
I saw some other entries in anidb but I don't know what to make of that.
Am I missing something?
Most likely those "other entries" you saw are OAVs based off of the SAC series. They more or less act as crash courses for those who're just getting into the series. There are some extra footage added, but if you already own the original series DVDs there's really no reason to look into those.
You have a complete list there, as far as I'm concerned. (not counting the manga material, of course)
And this thread really ought to be merged with the GiTS thread in the licensed section.
LucidLucifer
2007-09-02, 22:48
good anime, i liked, i want to read the manga too, but as I have a list as long as my arm of other manga titles to buy it's gonna be awhile...still a damn fine anime...XD
Autumn Demon
2007-10-10, 21:03
lol so how many people read/reread The Catcher in the Rye because of this show?
ghstwrld
2007-10-13, 02:20
lol so how many people read/reread The Catcher in the Rye because of this show?
I reread The Catcher in the Rye and still think its kind of meh. Invisible Man is a better story that kind of covers the same territory.
RavenHawk
2007-10-13, 13:48
What I want to see now is GITS: SSS. I haven't seen that yet.
SolarNova
2007-10-15, 07:30
( If ya havnt seen the second GITs series dont read on )
HI
just like to add somthing about the descusion on Cyberbrains.
I see most of you say that they require most or part of the original brain, well if thats the case explain how Motoko returns after getting her head blown of near the end of the second series ? There would be nothing left of the orignal brain so it would have to be total cybernetic then her ghost gets downloaded into it. She explains how she survived at the end of the ep.
MrProphet
2007-10-15, 07:44
Motoko has multiple bodies. The one that was destroyed in episode 26 was not the original. It was a setup.
They gave you a hint of it when they show her body after getting shot.
She didn't wear her favourite watch on that body.
LucidLucifer
2007-10-18, 16:21
very true, i noticed that through the first time through the ep, i thought it was great though how they lead you to believe that it WAS her real body getting shot.
LastRaven - see GITS - SSS, it's fantastic
Hyperion
2007-10-19, 00:24
Got a question. Friend of mine who was interested in watching GITS wanted to know the order to watch -everything- so that it all makes since to him. I told him to start with the GITS movie, then SAC, but from there I wasn't sure.
It's earlier in this thread Gits Movie, Gits Innocence, SAC, SAC 2, SAC Movie.
Also remember that the two movies aren't in the same universe with GITS SAC. The main difference is that the Puppet Master doesn't exist in the TV series—or rather, it's different from the "Puppet Master" that plays a role in SSS. One is more about police cyber drama, while the other delves into a somewhat dystopian vibe.
Autumn Demon
2007-10-21, 10:55
the superman iii/office space method of stealing is overused :(
Yu Ominae
2008-09-05, 00:54
Been a while since I watched SAC. (Am watching it again...)
When I first saw it, the biggest gripe that I had was with Section 9 being attacked and wiped out by the JMSDF's Umibozu. After I finished it, I told my bro once that I really didn't get it until he told me to watch it again.
After I did, I realize that....
Aramaki must've pulled strings with the eyeglassed PM to reform S9 in secret so as to give his agents cover to expose Yakushima as the culprit behind the Laughing Man terrorist incidents.
BTW, I collected some S9 ID Cards from a few years ago. I only had Batou, Togusa and the original Tachikoma. I'm looking for the others here, so here's what they look like. They weren't released in the other DVDs IIRC. Need to look for them.
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_01_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_02_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_05_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_06_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_07_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_08_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_10_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_11_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_12_card.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_13_card_01.jpg
http://www.ea-wannabe.com/dvd/gits_sac_13_card_02.jpg
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