Code Geass R2 - Overall Series Impressions & Total Series Rating

[Klashikari]

This thread is to be used for discussing the entire 25 episodes of Code Geass R2... your thoughts about the show, overall impressions, speculation on the possible DVD only bonus episodes, etc., etc…

A few subjects you might want to ramble on about:

General impression of the series.
Opinions on the overall story, writing & plot devices.
Thoughts about the animation quality.
Will there be additional DVD only episodes and what will they contain.
Characters/Character Design
What the show meant to you.
What could the creators/animators/writers could have done better.

And so on.

The poll represents your total series rating. In other words, how you would rate all the episodes combined (1-10)? If you'd rather rate the whole series by technical/artistic merits, you can do so. An example:

Animation Quality: 1-10
Voice Actors: 1-10
Script: 1-10
Editing: 1-10

Average = Total Series Rating

Or a combination of the two. Or your general gut feeling.

[bladeofdarkness]

first in
up until ep 19 i was ready to name this show my fav of all time
but the last arc spoiled it for me (and the panultimate one was a NGE ripoff)
the last ep saved the show or me
but it had to save it becouse it was going downhill for a few eps before
all and all 8/10
which sucks becouse it could have been 10 /10 with ease if it didnt nose dive after ep 19 (which was as far as im concenred the high point of the show)

[Shuuda]

I gave it a total of 9/10, I very much enjoyed watching the show. I loved the characters, the mech designs, the plot, the action. There were parts which could have been handled better, such as the whole Charles and Bitch storyline in 20 and 21. But overall, a brilliant piece of work.

[LustfulEnvy]

This thread is to be used for discussing the entire 25 episodes of Code Geass R2... your thoughts about the show, overall impressions, speculation on the possible DVD only bonus episodes, etc., etc…

A few subjects you might want to ramble on about:

General impression of the series.
Opinions on the overall story, writing & plot devices.
Thoughts about the animation quality.
Will there be additional DVD only episodes and what will they contain.
Characters/Character Design
What the show meant to you.
What could the creators/animators/writers could have done better.

And so on.

The poll represents your total series rating. In other words, how you would rate all the episodes combined (1-10)? If you'd rather rate the whole series by technical/artistic merits, you can do so. An example:

Animation Quality: 1-10
Voice Actors: 1-10
Script: 1-10
Editing: 1-10

Average = Total Series Rating

Or a combination of the two. Or your general gut feeling.

Animation: 10
You have to admit. This anime is beautiful! Lots of work goes to detailing the characters and environment.

Voice Acting: 10 The voice actors in Code Geass get into their character wonderfully. They also complement the characters very well in terms to emotion and character situations.

Scripting: 9 Uses numerous plot twists that change the storyline. The dialougue is well devoloped.
Editing: 9 The plot twists are transitioned very well.us Well enough to fit in with plot that its charcters motives believable.

9.5 The character devolopment and plot twists won me over! These series never fails to surprise. The characters (even the minor) go into great detail. I have also favored the small sprinkles of romance in Code Geass.

[White Manju Bun]

Animation Quality: 7 - Most of it was pretty good but I still hate the way the characters profiles looked. Fight animation quality was alot better.
Voice Actors: 9 - FukuJun and TakaSaku are two of my all time favs, I cant picture Lulu and Suza in any other voice
Script: 8 - Not as good as R1 but since I considered most of it a dramatic train wreck, it delievered for being wildly entertaining up to the very end
Editing: 8 - hmmm not usually something I judge an anime on but I thought it was pretty good.

Overall atleast an 8/10 total, I liked R1 a bit better but R2 delievered where it needed to. It kept me guessing most of the time although sometimes I thought it was freaking obvious what was gonna happen. It tugged at my heart strings, it made me laugh and face palm at the same time. Not the best anime ever but again wildily entertaining to the end. :)

[Revolutionist]

I'm very picky when it comes to anime, and there are very few series that have managed to capture my attention like this one. The first season was absolutely amazing, the story captivated me and kept me wanting more and more. Season two moved onto the bigger stage but even then the staff managed to keep some of the things that made S1 so good, mainly the double life aspect of some of the characters. Voice acting I think was excellent, specially Lelouch who really made the separate identities stand out. The sweet brother and normal student, and the ruthless terrorist tactician really stood out because of the awesome work the voice actor did. The animation quality was good, but what really stood out were the fight sequences, which were all new and unique. There was no stock footage use, and that was a refreshing sight after a certain series left a bad taste in my mouth. The last arc was what kinda turned me off, as it seemed poorly executed. Some plot elements that had been core to the story because they motivated the character turned out to be underwhelming and were "resolved" in one episode...I don't know if this was rushed or if the writers just run out of good ideas, but something just didn't feel right about this last act. Basically my number 1 gripe with everything was that things just happened too fast in a show that had up until then taken its time to develop the story. The last few episodes felt extremely Gundam Seed Destiy-esque in an obviously bad way. Also, the way the ending was handled (ambiguity) left something ot be desired.

Over all it seems as if this series could've used a third season so that every element of the story could be developed without rushing things at the end. Flaws in the last arc is what keeps this from being a Perfect 10. The first 25 episodes were definitely worthy of a 10, but R2 brings that down to an 8.5-9/10.

[Worriors1]

Animation Quality: 8
It had it's.. Not right moments. But it was fine overall. (Recall the 'high quality' pictures?) It was just parts weren't as fluid as they felt like they should be.

Voice Actors: 9
I did like alot of the voice actors, but a few bugged me from time to time to be honest. I can't pick them off the top of my head, but to be honest, I really hated Charles's and Marrianne's voice actors.

Script: 8
The China Arc felt.. Useless to me for some reason. I mean, yes it proved important.. Way later in the story. The character's words were fine, but the plot points.. It.. Really messed me up with the jumping between supernatural plots. I mean, some of them just didn't really have a point to waste a full episode on it.

Editing: 9
Editing was fine. I don't really know what counts as editing, but whatever it is, Code Geass passed.

Average = 8 1/2, it wasn't the best show in the world, and compared to some that I've seen.. It doesn't quite beat them. But it was fine and deserves a watch, nonetheless.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I decided an 8/10 was fair for this show. I've been a big proponent of it, but even I had my episodes and characters that I just didn't like. Trainwreck that made no sense though? No way! Overall it's been one of the more enjoyable series I've seen over the last couple of years, though it's probably not going to get into my top 10 personal favourite list.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some form of sidestory or OVA in the near future if they can find a way to make it work. In a way I'm happy that this is the end because of the tough times I had while blogging it (It was a bit of a time leech and the result of a lasting insomnia), but I'm also kind of sad because I really will miss the good times I had while watching it. Funny how that works.

[dec4rhapsody]

7/10
Awesome mechas.
Pretty chara.designs.
Hard working seiyuu-tachi.

Story went out of control.
Horribly distorted faces.
Ending saved the day.

[Charred Knight]

Since its only for Code Geass R2: 6/10

The reasons while its plot is solid and it has a good ending that's about it.

It fails to capitalize on the first season (for this a gave it a harsh penalty)
The show had sequences of horrible planning (when did it seem like a good idea to steal ideas from Gundam Seed Destiny).
The entire cast has horrible character development except for about 5 people (compare that to even the anime version of FMA)
The lack of ambition, season 1 challenged Tomino and his reign on real mecha and the second season chickens out on that.
Not enough new mecha (stop upgrading two suits)
Nothing that blows my mind
Removal of Unique mecha combat, for combat straight out of GSD (another large penalty)

The good points
Good ending but it becomes bad if a sequel is made
Excellent animation as expected from my favorite Studio.
Lelouch was a unique character


In comparison to other mecha series

Giant Robo 10/10 (Best Mecha series ever)
G Gundam: 9/10
Turn A Gundam: 9/10
Gundam 0080 9/10
Zeta Gundam 8/10
Vandread both seasons 8/10
Code Geass season 1 8/10
Mobile Suit Gundam 8/10
Wing Gundam 7/10
Gundam 0083 7/10
08th MS Team 6/10

[Terrestrial Dream]

I give a solid 8. It was a great show and fun to watch. And each episode had cliff-hanger to make it interesting and it did work for most of the time. The start of the show was probably the best part as I was really excited for every episode. The mech action in the beginning was pretty good and I did like Guren with float system, also Zangetsu, Shinkrou, Vincent, and Shenhu were also cool too. But for some reason through the middle of the series it began to lose the spark, the mech action became bit boring and the story kinda felt static. And by near the end of the show the story felt really rushed and the battles became really boring as it just became one sided. However the ending was nice especially with the death of Lelouch, which was a redemption for Lelouch.
Though the most disappointing about this show was that it had potential to be really great but it was just too rushed. Especially considering there were those two damn fan-service episodes, within those two episode I think it could have been better. The other disappointment was the characters such as Gino, Anya, and Mariane, who could have been developed more or portrayed better.
In the end it was a fun show :).

[hero147]

Awesome and memorable anime for the years to come for me! 9.5, since I enjoyed the ride a whole lot

[Megacrash Gr]

I liked it so much....................Perfect 10.

[Charred Knight]

Awesome and memorable anime for the years to come for me! Perfect 10, since I enjoyed the ride a whole lot

You wanna back it up with some reasons?

For example for Giant Robo I gave it a perfect 10

Excellent animation
a plot twist that dropped my jaw
characters who dropped my jaw
the most unique powers I have ever seen
the last two episodes where awesome concentrated
a man who challenged the eye of Volger to a fist fight
Reason was thrown out giving us some of the above
The most unique concept I have ever seen
One of the saddest endings I have ever seen
Every character was an uber badass who ran on pure awesomeness
Black Ox

[Magin]

well, I wouldn't ever watch this show again, far too tragic for my tastes. But, after having seen it, I'm going to have to give this an 8/10

Did I like it? In the beginning, yes. But as character deaths, especially of ones I liked, started mounting up, and the way it ended, I can say I no longer like it, but I suppose it was a unique ride

I still haven't entirely gotten over the ending...

[Kaioshin Sama]

You wanna back it up with some reasons?

For example for Giant Robo I gave it a perfect 10

Excellent animation
a plot twist that dropped my jaw
characters who dropped my jaw
the most unique powers I have ever seen
the last two episodes where awesome concentrated
a man who challenged the eye of Volger to a fist fight
Reason was thrown out giving us some of the above
The most unique concept I have ever seen
One of the saddest endings I have ever seen
Every character was an uber badass who ran on pure awesomeness
Black Ox

The ending was also more open-ended then anything Code Geass R2 had to offer. It looked like they were going to start a whole new story arc and then BOOM over. Anyway.....wrong thread.

[incorrupts]

I'll give it a 9/10 only cause sometime the animation was..meh.
Other than this, charas development, pacing {though sometimes rushed}, background music etc. were on a high level.

This show shall be remembered, too far amazing for words.

[Klashikari]

Code Geass stirred a lot of reactions and praises for its bold plot and especially Lelouch's character.
The first season managed to get quite entertaining. Is the second season the proper sequel for CG? My answer below.

1) Image Quality:

Sakuga and animation
Even if I'm used to CLAMP character design, I must admit that Code Geass has often shown many exaggerated facial distorsions that almost reminded me of these atrocious ones from Higurashi first season. In a way, while it managed to give some charisma for many characters, it was extremely whacky at times (especially Lelouch's mouth, which its limits can even reach the edge of his jaw).
Faces aside, I must admit that Kallen's bust size was downright scary in many occasions... her breasts weren't exactly stable and could jump from D-cup to G cup between 2 episodes (I'm especially referring to the period she is abducted by the Empire)

The Animation doesn't have much to be criticized about, but Sakuga itself can be very debatable in the course of the second season. I will most likely mention Episode 15, with Charles having an EXTREMELY whacky character design, while Lelouch got oversimplified for many scenes.

Of course, such syndrome occurs in various episodes, but it isn't a major fault that would affect much the series itself. However, it is kinda questionable to see how it can go VERY wrong at times.
7.5/10


2) Sound Quality:

2.1 Voice Actors
I think this department for Code Geass is nothing to argue: they do have a lot of charismatic voice actors, especially Fukuyama and Wakomoto for their performances for respectively Lelouch and Charles.
Of course, if you add Yukana's alluring voice for C.C. and Nakata's usual "nonchalance" for Diethard, it does show how they didn't go wrong with the seiyuu.

Though I would argue that some of the voices were kinda average (Rivalz's, V.V's, etc), it is rather because they are rather too "normal and plain" in comparison with the guest stars already.

2.2 Opening / Ending
I will be quite short, but... I really didn't like much of these OP and ED at all. Granted, they weren't as bad as the first season second OP, I must say that almost none really gave me the "proper" vibes for the franchise.

2.3 BGM
Most of the ones used for Britannia were quite nice (chorus, quite the noble and military sides), while few mystic tracks (notably for C.C.) were quite good. However, the rest is pretty much too "discrete". Of course, one might argue that it prevents the tracks being invasive, but it also dampens the possible "pumped up" effect for certain key scenes.

8/10


3) Script:

3.1 Characters:
This point of the series is arguably shaky to be quite honest. As far as I can critic, the biggest problem for Code Geass is actually to portray a real evolution aside for our main tandem, Lelouch and Suzaku.

Lelouch was infact the most consistent character of the franchise: despite his lies and his "necessary evilness", he could prevent himself to set himself astray. One would expect him to be contradictory to his main objective, but there wasn't much possibility to use shortcuts or whatnot considering the trial.

This is quite a contrast with Suzaku who had to go on "trial-and-error" considering how his loyalty could only match the "winning" side, until he finally was able to attain the "best option", which was granted by Lelouch.

Now, the "bad" side of the characterization lies with the other characters, mainly the "antagonists" that didn't exactly earn well this title.
Charles was first portrayed as a totally ruthless regent, who could care less of his offsprings. Many times, he was shown doing some shady stuff with elements related to the Geass cult and the World of C. But then, as he is trying to outsmart Schneizel's plan, it is finally revealed that Charles tried in a very bad way (kinda similar to the Seele from Evangelion) to bring peace for his children.
This stirred a lot of debates, and personally, I couldn't swallow this switched description as it is literally a curve ball. Even if I can accept characters having a personal agenda, I'm really not keen to accept such switching role, especially if all odds proved otherwise (sending Nunally and Lelouch as political hostages, ordering Rollo to kill lelouch should the latter regain his memories of Zero, etc). To begin with, why did he use his own son for a mere witch hunt?

Schneizel wasn't exactly a climatic "final boss" either (the term quickly got proved wrong with episode 24). Despite Schneizel was almighty, he lacked a lot of passion or ambition. His objective turned to be extremely plain and didn't exactly match his apparent personality. Worse, it almost seemed a completely nonchalant pass time, a true lack of conviction.


Now, a lot of other characters were completely messed up with their "path". Betrayal, revelation, confession... A lot happened, yet, many characters didn't exactly meet their own expectations and went extremely wild to the point their decisions were pretty much debatable.

Kallen was quite difficult to gauge by the time she departed from Lelouch's side. Despite she is one of the few characters that knew him best, she was absolutely unable to do a decisive choice and went completely on a unreasonable passion. She basically didn't have much personality and almost followed the rest of the black knights.

Speaking of which, these guys were atrociously the helpless sheep. Despite they didn't exactly have an iron steel trust towards Zero, they couldn't do anything without him. Yet it is so unconvincing to see them forgetting everything Lelouch could set for them. The biggest point was how they could get approvement from the Kyoto's leader, despite they were present (which prevents lelouch to actually brainwash him as they would hear his command). This is where the problem lies: they don't have much a real conviction and follow the "dominating" leader that seemed the less evil... they utterly lack of their own judgment, which is proved by Schneizel's manipulation and Diethard's comments.
Kaname Ohgi was probably the most frustrating in the pack, along with Tamaki.

In the end, many characters were just flipping their coin as their conviction wavers quite a LOT. It is highly disappointing that most characters get caught by the tides of events and just shifted according to these, instead of going through the flow.

3.2 Story progression
Code Geass suffered a lot for its extremely shaky pace. At first, the second season was very slow, paying the luxury for having a parallelism with the first season.
However, the story quickly gets completely out of control as soon as the whole ordeal with the Chinese/UNF was set up. It became obviously apparent that the plot isn't going through some proper progression and goes into complete oscillating "spikes" which were the numerous plot twists here and there (Nunally becoming the new governor general, Suzaku/Lelouch, Fleia, etc).

At this point, the plot became a rolling stone, going downwards the hill, completely ignoring the "shortcuts" to the points of many things don't exactly go well with the pacing (for my part, I was so unconvinced by the betrayal of the Black Knights). This has been coupled with several ignored matter and times skips that didn't bring well the answers needed (especially how lelouch was able to convince Suzaku in joining him for the coup d'etat, etc).

In the end, after a lot of political puppeting and such, Code Geass rushed its penulimate conclusion with many plot twists that turned the whole deal downright inconsistent, which hurted the characterization a lot (notably the "antagonists", Kallen, Gino etc). Of course, some of them give a proper spice up (Nunally FIRST shifted side, Shirley's death, etc), but too much of them just turned the plot progression into something like a mere question of "how Code Geass will surprise me this week?", instead of "what it the story will unfold?".


In short, R2 didn't get its pace right (which wasn't anything better due of the fillers, especially the Love Attack, episode 12), and completely doesn't match the proper "theatral yet intriguing and intense" story telling that the first season was able to convey. As result, second season basically gave more what the "fans wanted in their wild speculations" instead of logical and normal story telling, which was sadly detrimental.

That said, the conclusion was appropriate, though "too easy" and rather unconclusive for the whole matter and ideal.

4/10

Conclusion
Code Geass was ambitious... well too much for its own good?
I would say yes, though it wasn't all that bad because it managed to be entertaining. However, because of its inherent storytelling, R2 had to deliver several things in a very specific way that did not work in the end, well at least for me.
Perhaps it was because of my expectations, but R2 failed to execute properly the events that would involve the world into a total war.

5/10 - below average

I have rated for myself the first season as 8,5. However, because of the fact R2 was meant to give all the answers (which is absolutely not the case here) and THE conclusion, its value has a bigger impact than the first season, and I would give the franchise a very "fragile" 6/10 in the end. This is basically showing how disappointed I'm.

This "essay" is of course my only opinion, and i don't pretend to get an appreciation more worthy than anyone else's.

[Carlos45]

I'll gave it 9/10

I enjoyed everything about Code Geass, however i thought the whole thing was abit rushed, they should of took their time, and done the ending episodes. I really enjoyed watching this anime, and i reckon it's the best one i've seen.

[Shaggy kun]

Animation: 10 The anime is beautiful! i liked the detailing of the characters and thge, mechs and environment.

Voice Acting: 10 The voice actors are awesome in Code Geass they make the character.

Scripting: 9.5 i liked the numerous plot twists that makes the story line great.

Editing: 9 Just perfect :D

[Strygwyr]

Animation quality:10 Nice drawings

Voice acting 7.5

Scripting: 1 Its too much easy too predict or lame twist.......... you can imagine what is gonna happen next

ending: 5 S1 was good but in r2 they rushed to the end.

[Charred Knight]

...

Conclusion
Code Geass was ambitious... well too much for its own good?
I would say yes, though it wasn't all that bad because it managed to be entertaining. However, because of its inherent storytelling, R2 had to deliver several things in a very specific way that did not work in the end, well at least for me.
Perhaps it was because of my expectations, but R2 failed to execute properly the events that would involve the world into a total war.

5/10 - below average

I have rated for myself the first season as 8,5. However, because of the fact R2 was meant to give all the answers (which is absolutely not the case here) and THE conclusion, its value has a bigger impact than the first season, and I would give the franchise a very "fragile" 6/10 in the end. This is basically showing how disappointed I'm.

This "essay" is of course my only opinion, and i don't pretend to get an appreciation more worthy than anyone else's.




Holy

Anyone who has ever complained about my ranting and ravings, just look at this, Klashikari, utterly destroyed Code Geass.

I have stated that I feel people are not hard enough, and you hit a home run, that was simply beautiful. I also can't find any real fault with your logic.

They didn't answer a whole lot, and as I stated except for about 5 characters the character development was crap.

While some of it can be blamed on the time change, a lot of it can't, they chose to empasize plot twists over actual story telling, they chose to ignore developing characters, and for that you have a ton of characters you hate.

A 10/10 shouldn't need defending since it should be perfect.

A 10/10 shouldn't have any characters you hate.

A 10/10 shouldn't include the words The Scrappy

A 10/10 shouldn't include the words Rescue from the Scrappy Heap

A 10/10 shouldn't leave you wondering what happened

An example my favorite manga is FMA, and I love every single character, I love the Chimeras, I love the soldiers, I love the plot, I love the villains. They don't have a lot of plot twists, because you don't need plot twists.

For that review you deserve a postive rep

I have given you your postive rep

[Kusaja]

Story:

I believe that the plot was brought to a relatively satisfying conclusion in terms of Lelouch's development as a character, and thus at its core the story definitely worked. Pacing problems became a real issue, especially towards the second half of R2, and that did affect the overall flow, but I never really felt lost and most of the necessary steps were taken to keep things focused on Lelouch's story. Still, certain events were dealt with too quickly, in particular the climatic confrontation with Charles and Marianne.

The last arc seemed to feel out of place, but was rehabilitated by the ending, even if unanswered questions and hanging plot threads of varying importance hurt the final result. Then again, I eventually ended up appreciating that the ending gives the viewer the ability to make up his own mind about Lelouch's fate, but I understand that's the kind of thing not everyone will like.

Animation:

The animation was generally good and, in places, even great. Some frames did lack quality, but not to a bothersome extent. The character designs remained attractive and distinctive enough.

Music and Sound:

Code Geass R2 had good music, and for the most part it was used well within the show itself. The insert songs, in particular, were quite nice.

Characters:

Lelouch, naturally, carried the show once again, and did so successfully to a certain extent. Suzaku and C.C. played the most important supporting roles, though I'm also one of the few people who would add that Kallen wasn't that mistreated either, and got some attention and closure in her own right. Granted, there were also some problems here and there, so some may find it more disappointing than others, but overall I'm okay with these four characters.

Sounds fine, but what brings down the score then? A huge cast which was mostly misused. The fact that too many secondary or tertiary characters were introduced, without giving them enough weight to stand on. Many of them didn't require too much attention in the first place, I can see that the story works fine regardless, but others, like Marianne and ultimately Schneizel, did seem to demand either more screen time or more convincing motivations.The pacing is also to blame for this, unfortunately, to a certain extent.

Entertainment Value:

Whatever else I may say, Code Geass R2 was an entertaining show, in many different ways, and I do not regret watching it.

All in all, I think R2 kept a lot of the spirit of the original, but stumbled quite a bit in practice, resulting in an enjoyable sequel that could easily have been equal or even better than the original with less characters and better pacing, but wasn't.

Overall: 7/10

[Jays]

Ha really, I don't know how else to say it.

I became far more interested in the characters than the story itself, mainly because I fell in love with this anime during the first season. However, even thought it started out strong, it felt like the second season just wasnt up to par with the first one. This is probably because the focus has been shifted.

While I indeed did enjoy some parts of it, the last third of R2 was rushed, leading me to believe that better planning earlier would have fixed this. For the most part, it almost felt like they had to finish it, rather than they wanted to finish it.

The sense of, you don't know what's going to happen, was replaced by a sense of, how are they gonna make it work, that was the crux of the season.

8/10

[musume_no_hoshi]

I already have the Code Geass effect, I keep thinking there's another episode of CG tommorrow...way too used to waiting for Code Geass on a sunday...

Animation

While I except better animation from such a popular show, the animation is fine. Althought sometimes the story boarding gets a little off, like Spinzaku and Marianne random high kick.

Although Lelouch mouth looks real odd from time to time, I liked how Sunrise adapted Clamp art style. I prefer Sunrise own drawings compared to Clamp's. Clamp has some funny tastes for Emperor Lelouch...and Suzaku Knight of Zero battle clothes. I'm no expert when it comes to mecha, the mecha looks nice enough to me. But still...pink mecha for C.C? At least make it green...

Overall the animation is well done, so 8/10 (If KyoAni is rated 10/10)

Sound

Fukamaya Jun as Lelouch is just a perfect match, the speeches done by Zero, the emotional scenes with Lelouch is perfect. Unfortunately, Fukayama Jun can't sing ;P The other seiyuus are perfect. The only once I disliked is V.V.

Nothing is wrong with Code Geass voices, they're all perfect. But one problem I have with Code Geass seiyuus, is that when I hear them from another anime, I end up thinking it's Code Geass. The best example must be Fukayama Jun, when I heard him in Special A...I keep thinking to myself 'Why dont Kei just geass Hikari'. C.C seiyuu, Yukana is currently voicing a character in Soul Eater, and obviously I get reminded by it.

The OST sounds great, with or without Code Geass. R2 OST is definately better then the first season, which in some opinion this might be the only thing that is better then first season.

Sound : 10/10

Story

The story is enough to make me want to know what happen next. The story got really weird after the Wakamoto rocket episode, I just don't understand anything after that. The China arc felt like a waste, despite I quite enjoyed that arc.

The script sometimes is very...how should I put it...interesting? I love how Lelouch said he'll use Rolo like a rag, and then throw him away like one too. But when he told C.C to die with a smile, felt very cliche. The script isn't the most unique, but I feel it does it job.

The ending however, I happy with it. Sunrise did leave a few things open, but I feel if they made a closed ending...it might rage the fans even more ^_^''

I'm not the best analyser for storyline and scripts. But there is enough twist to make me want more of it, despite sometimes being quite random. I wouldn't call R2 typical yet, but that might be because I watch other anime that is meant to be cliche.

Story 7/10

Overall, there's actually ALOT of problems when it comes to R2, mainly the twists, plot and character section. But it enough to make fans talk about and definately the most popular anime of the Spring-Autumn anime. It created many memes too (mainly Spinzaku). At the very least, I enjoyed it even with these problems. I would give it an overall 8.

[BigGimp77]

I thought R1 was a very good show. I enjoyed R1 a lot. But saying that....

R2 was a HUGE disappointment.

The Good:
-Good Animation
-Solid VA
-BGM was satisfactory
-I actually liked the ending despite not liking the entire second season.

The Bad:
-The plot was a mess.
-Plot twist, while unpredictable, were far fetched and too frequent
-Character personalities were abused and changed too many times throughout the series. Also they maybe added too many character in this second season.



Honestly, I had actually thought about dropping R2 many times because it became too silly. I couldn't take characters or the plot seriously after half way through the season. It ended up just being a very average watch for me.

6/10

[Charred Knight]

Is it just me or are the people voting 10/10 not posting?

What the hell is the point of this thread, if people are just going to vote, and not post reasons. I am glad I am not the only person not voting a 6/10, but I would at least like to see someone defend the thing.

Are they afraid? We won't bite

[Worriors1]

It may be because all of you are posting really awesome reviews and why you think that way..

Heck, I mean, I feel bad now about my short post about why I thought that way.

They might be scared of being bashed or something for their short reviews.

Eh, dunno..

[Charred Knight]

It may be because all of you are posting really awesome reviews and why you think that way..

Heck, I mean, I feel bad now about my short post about why I thought that way.

They might be scared of being bashed or something for their short reviews.

Eh, dunno..

When I read Klashikari review I felt bad that my review looked like crap, but I just want to see some debate.

If you look at the poll (overwhelmingly postive) and compare it to the thread (a wide range, with negative getting suprisingly good results), I just want to see someone explain to me why they voted 10/10 or 9/10.

[Strygwyr]

Is it just me or are the people voting 10/10 not posting?

What the hell is the point of this thread, if people are just going to vote, and not post reasons. I am glad I am not the only person not voting a 6/10, but I would at least like to see someone defend the thing.

Are they afraid? We won't bite

Yo stop........................if they don't want to post then let them be.

[Worriors1]

When I read Klashikari review I felt bad that my review looked like crap, but I just want to see some debate.

If you look at the poll (overwhelmingly postive) and compare it to the thread (a wide range, with negative getting suprisingly good results), I just want to see someone explain to me why they voted 10/10 or 9/10.

I kind of do too, but I fear something really bad might happen. I mean, bad debates were on alot of threads and.. Yeah..

Let's not promote it, :heh:

It's entertaining to watch... For a while atleast..:heh:

[ApostleOfGod]

10/10 Script, Editing, VA
9/10 Anime Quality

I may be a booster compared to a lot of the posters here, but I think we can all agree that CG was unbelievably entertaining. All these people who say "it was a bit entertaining" or "meh, it lost its touch halfway", I know y'all was set up with your popcorn and drinks to the left, Tv set to perfect volume, and a comfortable position to enjoy the show which CG provided each week. That's not "decent entertainment". That's Good entertainment.

Scripting... Was brilliant. Yes, there were Lots of plot twists, Lots of things that were not necessarily cleared, but that's the thing. It shouldn't necessarily bother us to the end. You know, when I was watching Lulu get stabbed, and the whole operation of Zero Requiem happening, I wasn't sitting at my monitor, thinking, "Hmm.. Will C.C.'s real name be mentioned soon?" No. I let myself enjoy the show for what it is. I tell you, I've watched a lot of animes up till now, and Code Geass has been an extraordinary ride. No doubt this is true. It was intense, it brought the fans the excitement they needed. You can't have everything anyways. And with the scripting comes Editing, which was well done too, considering all of the commotion at early season and pre season.

VA was perfection - I can't speak for the entirety of the two seasons - I don't remember every scene and voice acting - but I can say that every moment of CG I can remember had splendid voices which matched character and mood. A good Voice Acting is one that doesn't take away attention from the show and plot - that's exactly what happened with CG. I never had to point out that Zero's voice was different at some point, or that C.C.'s voice seemed out of place; I didn't have any complaints with that. Sheer splendor.

The A Q is only 9 because of the drop at certain points. Also, due to the lanky character designs of the CG franchise, sometimes, things out of proportion were notable. But these minor flaws never took away from the suspense and the thrilling backgrounds, movements, and all scenes - Quality maintained its high standards pretty much through the entire show.

Overall ranking... Easy 10/10. CG was one of the few animes that always kept me on my feet. Very exciting and a great storyline. Once again, this masterpiece is a 10/10.

[Orca]

Great series. 8/10.

[germanturkey]

6/10

the good:
animation
music
twists
ending

the bad:
story
farfetchedness of the twists
china arc (wayyy too much time spent on this)

eps 1-23 would have gotten a 4 or 5/10, but the last two eps, especially the last one, redeemed it enough in my book.

Continued Story has played ~80 times since i got it last week.

[wingdarkness]

Eyes: 8.21/10...

Hey I like cool and over exaggerated facial expressions...I honestly wish there were more shows out there that gave their characters this type of emo-ness (not of the kiddy-shonen or comedic variety as much though)...CLAMP really did a good job IMO and in the episodes that were by the "A" team i'd say most of it was satisfying...If there are any fans of Yugioh's animation up in here (OMG he compared something in CG to Yugioh!! :eek:), you can really appreciate the detail in-terms of expressionism when it came to simple stuff like hand-gestures and theatrical physical movements of certain characters (Lulu mostly)...When Lulu would do one of those dope finger expressions I'd have immediate flashbacks of Kaiba doing a hand-swirl or something before he drew his ultimate card or something...Yeah probably lame if you don't know what I'm talking about, but if you do (and if you like that kinda thing) CG R2 had a good deal of it...

The mecha designs, while some being extremely weird were able to counter-balance their crazy-looks with fluidity and tactical amenities you never thought was possible...Tristen for example looks extremely clumsy at a glance but how it moves it's parts to engage in battle was something very fun to look at...Yeah Modrad and a few of the BK's upgrades were a bit plain for my tastes, but once the float system came into play, an almost eerie and imperfect style of fighting was produced (I'll cite the Guren's first upgrade ep as an example)...I really like those imperfect, frenetic types of battle engagements that trade looking perfect for a chaotic feel and pace to the battle that requires your full attention...I do miss the GAWAIN and thought Lulu's new mech was a clear downgrade in symbolism, but I can't deny the cheap-trick modes that thing had--Most quite cool to watch...


Ears: 9.25/10...

For the most part I think it was good, but I remember being more engaged by a few bgms in S1 over R2...One of the biggest disappointments was that the main-battle track from s1 (The Spanish influenced fight BGM) was almost non-existent in r2..I only remember hearing it like 2 or 3 times the entire season...It was my favorite BGM and totally underused in R2...But honestly though I can't say the Sdtk pi$$ed me off that much other than the pretty horrid Ali Project End themes that often times had the lyrical pace of someone recording it while falling off of a skyscraper...All in all though, not bad...

Voice acting was excellent, in-terms of nearly every main character...Charles and Lulu in particular just had epic overtones in the way they would express themselves...Charles definatly would give my chills whenever he forcefully screamed at Lulu...He really made me emotionally invested in everything he had to say...Lulu was just all kinda vocal epicness that I don't even have to describe...Other characters like Suzaku had a perfect voice to fit his indifference and indecisiveness, Nunally's mary-sue nicety came out, Lloyd's snarky arrogance was always a treat, and Diethart's quasi-important ways of conducting himself was always welcomed to me...The female voices were all pretty good too..Nothing here that warrants harsh criticism though...I mean the only character who I kinda WTF'd at would probably have been Marianne, because to be such an important character she really sounded like a twit in her 2 only episodes...


Brains: 5.66/10

Well this is the part of the show with the most contention among fans and for good reason...Like I've said before we all have different reasons for watching//loving//following anime, and each man can be different from the other....So if you watched this show with just an interest in Lulu's antics, or the visual fun of Clamp, or cool hax0r mecha action I'm not gonna beat you over the head for enjoying or just looking past the incredible amount of literary problems R2 had, but for those of us who watch the show with good deal sophistication and merit, this script had HUGE problems from the beginning...

First was the reboot...Reboots are a big-middle finger to those who do watch for the relative intellectual nature the show seemed to have had..I remember plenty of times while watching S1 I would think to myself "Damn this show is so much more discipline than I thought it would be...", or "Damn this show is pretty smart", but R2 threw the contained smartness down the drain for the gimmicky plot-twist route...Season 1 was Style over substance hiding the fact that it was really substance over style (I'd say Gundam 00 S1 does the same), but R2was style over substance hiding substance...I mean to leave this show with almost no understanding of why a f*cking chain THRU THE HEART OF JUPITER is connected to a borg-like mental consciousness is just either bad writing or circumstances off-screen that someone couldn't control...

Season 1 was a micro-story...Far more introspective and told in a first-person style...That's why people who loved Deathnote (like myself) really dug S1 because of the first-person nature of the main character and being able to watch major parts of the story unfold with you being the characters' eyes and ears, but r2 was far more of a macro-story...It was basically a narrative that sprinkled bits and pieces of important first-person information and forsake'd that element of the story to tell a far more grand over-arching plot (Good vs. Evil, future of mankind, all that jazz)...It totally lost that quaint and exhilarating atmosphere it created in S1 and traded it in for HUUUUGE network-television-like plot-twists that sometimes were brilliant and other times flat as a busted Knightmare frame tire...

Another troubling aspect of R2 was how it betrayed it's own established atmosphere...Now I can easily go from first generation, ground-unit KMF's to soopal33t float-systems, to ENTIRE FLOATING CASTLES that shoot spicy FEJITA burritos, but that didn't even bother me that much (As CG never EVER tried to be overtly strict about it's technology), my problems were more with aesthetic things that didn't make sense....The episode where all the BK's dressed up in A MILLION zero-outfits to a cloud of circus-smoke was quite frankly the "Jump the shark" moment for me...I couldn't imagine a scene that retarded being in S1...

Then the most penultimate scenes in the show were simply re-used or rehashed ideas already used (Which makes all the plot-twists lose their charm at a point)...When Lulu beat Mao it was cool how he tricked him with the video, but by the time you get to him tricking V.V. in kinda the same derivative it's lost it's charm a bit...but that wasn't bad enuff, they took a basic combination of Mao and V.V. trickery and used that to beat the endboss in Schnizel...It was far too indulgent and uncreative a way to win in what is suppose to be the crescendo of the entire series...For me the moment Charles vaporized I was simply no longer invested that much emotionally in the story..I pretty much saw how everything else would go and what disappoints me still is that Suzaku and lulu's final moments of understanding one another is never really shown to the audience...We get the quick flashback of Zero-Requiem thru Nunally's eyes, and Suzaku crying in the end for killing Lulu, but what led to that is a scene I think the series should have shown given the fact these are the 2 main characters...

Obviously there is more I can get into (Suzaku's connection to geass, C.C.'s name, history behind Code or Geass [notably immortality], mismanagement of all the KoR's including KoR #9!?!, horrendous pacing at-times between the first and second half of the season, ambiguos ending that played right into the hands of the zealots), but at the end of the day it seems this show got trapped between being a Pop-show and a seriously unique show and the pop-culture side won out; whether it be by Sunrise's hands or the writers...I do believe the director though because his words just makes sense, however that's for everyone to judge...My final score would be 6.59 outta 10, but Ill round that up to a 7 since I don't watch 50 eps of a show that's just average or below unless it's GSD just to bash it until my masochistic tendency stops kicking in...I also think the most underrated aspect of the show was the mecha-fighting and over the last 10 eps it was incredible at-times and visually stunning which added some points to my final appraisal...Overall though, I'd have to say CG R2 had a chance to be one of those rare finds, but winds up being just another cool anime that's big now but unfortunately will be atop a haywagon cart tommorrow...

[Rhapsody]

I gave it an 8/10.

Here's a quick rundown of what I thought:

VA was great. I loved how most of them voiced in Tales games.
Characters were good, while some were too stereotypical. I would've preferred if they went more in-depth with some of the side characters. Some characters felt a little wasted in my opinion.
Mecha was okay. Some were cool, some were overpowered, and some were bland.
Story was great until the R2 season. The China arc wasn't too interesting for me.
Ending was okay. I liked it, but the last few episodes leading into it were paced a little strangely. In fact, all of R2 was paced a little strangely. Especially when Lulu went to destroy all the people involved with the Geass after the China arc.

[Orophin]

I wanted to give it a 8/10 but I accidentally clicked on 9/10 instead... :uhoh:

[Tandang Sora]

Animation Quality: 10
Voice Actors:8
Script: 5
Overall:10

[Kushi]

Mmm code geasss... where to start?

First season was pretty exciting I really liked it. Now on to the second season...

The animation wasn't all that great there were a lot of stick man looking figures for half the episodes. Uhm the plot twists were amazing for the first 10 episodes or so of R2. I couldn't keep my mind off CG for days after the episode was shown, I was constantly daydreaming about it. I think they went too far however, with the plot twists it just started getting stupid and ridculous. In the sense that at first you would go "Ohhh that's pretty cool" or "whoa didn't see that coming"... after a while you predict what's going to happen, then you flip the idea 180 degree and you'll predict the plot twist. What I mean by that is Anya has Marianne's memories, Nunnally being alive [after freya]....

There was also too much general retardedness in the anime than what I would have hoped to see. A "general" can get himself and his whole army killed in like 3 minutes.... without any tactics or strategy he just orders them to charge...

Overall I really liked this series, the fanservice, the comedy and the characters. The action and the mechs also deserve a honourable mention. I would have liked more character development for the minor character but it was decent. If the plot twists didn't get so ridculous this series would have deserved a 8 or above. In my honestly opinion carefully analyzing what was wrong and good about this series, I would only give it a 6.5 [In terms of plot / general satisfication]. I fortunately am not a professional rater, so I can be as biased as I want. I'll vote a 9 because of how the series and the characters stuck to me, how amazing the voice actors were, how I enjoyed this series for the past 2 or 3 years.

10 for the characters, because they were well created, I couldn't help but fall inlove with them or totally hate them. [Ougi needed to die kthx]. They were absolutely amazing

-1 for the fact that absolutely every character in this anime loved Marianne or highly respected her, and yet when we actually see her she was a idiotic tramp...

voted 9 / 10

[Anavel]

7/10

The last several episodes were disappointing, too fast paced. Though the last two episodes were good and increased my rating. I would have given it a 8/10 if there was fan service, but alas, there was none. :(

[Charred Knight]

7/10

The last several episodes were disappointing, too fast paced. Though the last two episodes were good and increased my rating. I would have given it a 8/10 if there was fan service, but alas, there was none. :(

What about Schneizel, and Nunnaly?

Lelouch is really kinky

[Kristen]

When this season started, there were two highly anticipated shows. One was Geass, the other was Macross. Both had a very solid footing. Macross had 25 years to build off of, Geass had a highly successful first season. But, in the end, Macross knew what to do, which Geass ran out of ideas.

Geass's strong point to me was the music. They stopped doing some of the non-traditional synth stuff and started working with a very traditional background. The song at the end of episode 25 was beautiful, the song at the exile was amazing, OP2 was really goot, etc. Season 1 sort of overdid everything music wise making it less amusing to listen to, but I was able to listen to this season a second time without problems. Yes, I do listen to anime without watching it the second time through.

Visually, Geass was also superb. Going with full high deph video, and never really losing the art form, it was able to create a very appealing visual experiance for the viewer.

So, the chips were well played, but it's plot was a complete trainwreck. At first, they made plot twists only happen at the end of the episodes. This is a nice tactic when working with a week to week fanbase, but it really failed to make the storyline progress. It was just filler-esque, where there was a problem, here's how Lelouche deals with it, onto the next episode.
It also introduced a whole bunch of new characters that were un-needed, and would have been better if they developed them more. Gino, Anya, Xian-ke, Tianzi-sama. Yeah, Anya is cute, but it's hard to say they developed her like C.C. or Kallen in the first season. These were all static characters given too much screen time who served no real purpose in the end. Only Anya did, and she could have easily been replaced by someone else.

One character I really got annoyed with was Kallen. Throughout the first season, they developed her, but once they got to this season she became nothing more than a hate machine. And then they had that whole captivity thing. I thought that would have been worth something in development, but instead she just went back to being nothing more than a ball of hate. By hate in here, I mean, her hate was what drove her.

Another thing that really annoyed me was "Refrain". This could have been a REALLY big thing if they made more out of it. But instead, it wasn't developed. It just was there, and we knew what some characters thought of it.

But, all of this could have been forgotten if Geass didn't have one fatal flaw. NOBODY CAN STAY DEAD! I wouldn't have minded a big revelation of somebody being alive at the end. Like, Marianne alone could have been fine. But if you kill a character off and bring them back, you lose credibility. It seems like Sunrise didn't realize this, so each one of their killings seemed so unlikely by the end. Heck, Suzaku wasn't even dead or 5 minutes.

And not telling us C.C.'s real name was just stupid. Don't make a big deal out of it if it's not important.

That's Geass in general. They made huge deals out of things that they failed to eventually develop.

Geass was better suited for a 37 episode continuous run than 2 25 episode seasons. There was far too much stupidity in this season.

It was a bad show, so I'll give it a 3.2 for bad.

[finalnight]

Woulda gotten a 10/10 except for poorly executed ending.

[demon_god04]

So just for sh*ts and giggles I decided to write my own wall texts about my thoughts of the series over all.

*Disclaimer*

First though, I am going to assume that Lelouch is dead for all intents and purposes in this post unless Taniguchi himself comes out and say that Lelouch trolled everyone and he is indeed alive. Secondly, when I point out lingering plot points I will not mean romantic development and will for the most part turn a blind eye to it. Both of those reasons is to avoid some dragging in debate on whether Lelouch is alive or dead or any arguments from the romance thread. Also about how I generally rate things, unless something is absolutely perfect and I have no complaints no matter how small, nor any ways to feasibly improve it, I do not give a perfect score so the best is likely going to be a 9 out of 10. If you disagree with my line of thinking then it is likely best to just stop reading right here and save yourself a headache. :p


Animation/Art Quality: 8/10

Well, I liked the Clamp designs, the characters were well animated for the most parts. However the most glaring flaw was the character art being off in some frames, though until it hit a certain episode it did not strike me as overly intrusive. However an entire episode of distorted character animation dragged the mark down for me as it looked like the episode did not even belong in the series.

A few things I loved about Code Geass if nothing else are the mecha designs, especially the Rakshata originals, most notably the Guren. Also the land based battles with the land spinners were very well done and added a nice original touch to the mecha series, much like the underwater mecha fighting did in Mars Daybreak for me. However I was duly disappointed with the wide spread use of the float system turning the mecha action into almost standard Gundam-esque fairs. Not that it is bad per say, but it did take away from one of the things that attracted me to the series in it's land based engagments.

All in all though despite some faults, the character and mecha designs and original concept carried it over.


Music/Voice acting: 9/10

I have quite a few bones to pick with this series, and if you continue reading most of them will be in the plot section, but the music is one area where I just did not have much to complain about. I loved the majority of the tracks within the show, especially the Hitomi tracks and "All Hail Britannia!!!" which sometimes I still play on repeat. And notably in several of the more emotional scenes of the series, Shirley's and Rolo's death come to mind immediately, the music complimented the mood very well.

The voice acting was very good over all, Lelouch, C.C, Suzaku and especially Kallen (biased fanboy mode on for a second there :p) are a given. However, many of the side characters are also memorable, from Milly's playful tones in her performance to Loyd's quirky voice and screams. However there is one thing that annoyed me and that was in the Ashford episode, with the girl that was geassed into giving back Lelouch his hat. Admittedly it might be mainly personal preference here and it was just two or three short lines but really I found her performance to be especially subpar especially when compared to the others within the show.

Overall, no big glaring faults so it is a solid 9.


Story/Characters: 5/10

The crux of any entertainment medium aside from gaming, it is my view that no matter how well composed the musical score is, how fluid the animation or how pretty the characters, if the story falls flat on it's face, none of that matters. So how does R2 fair? To be honest, perhaps I went into this season with too high of an expectation, but for the most part it felt that almost the entire season they were trying to imitate R1 and some of the elements that made it successful to the detriment of the overall story. While the Ashford comedy was somewhat entertaining and let you see one part of Lelouch, the slow pace and focus of it early on could be blamed for much of the poor pacing and rushed, or I would say lack there of, developments on several key plots and characters. Most notably Charles, V.V and Marianne and their Ragnarok plan as well as Schneizel who was lackluster for a "final villain" type of character.

I have brought this up many times but Marianne was a prime example of this as throughout the series we have met characters who knew her and literally almost worshiped the ground she walked on. She was set up on a silver pedestal, Charles loved her so much V.V was scared she may derail Charles from their promise, Jeremiah respected her so much that he betrayed Britannia for her children(and this guy rushed at Lelouch proclaiming "All Hail Britannia!", I wouldn't have been surprised if he started singing "All Hail Britannia!!!" in that scene), Bismark mentioned her skill and shouted her name right before his death, Cornelia personally investigated the circumstances of her death. While it may not be a lot of characters considering the size of the caste but factor in how many of that caste were Britannian and how many out of those actually know her. Then look back and lo and behold, the majority of the people that knew her respected her to some degree. However she was introduced and her personality completely derails the image that was established about her, without any development on the how and why it was so before her character was killed off. Also for a key player in what drove Lelouch down this path, her reasoning for agreeing to the Ragnarok plan was not even explained. At least we know why Charles and V.V decided on it, they were disillusioned with the world because of what they saw. Marianne did not even have that development. All in all, for a character that was so important to what drives Lelouch initially she was about as well developed as Rivalz.

Many of the other characters and plots do not fair much better, like C.C who had her entire background shoved in our faces in one episode, Suzaku's connection to Geass that was brought up in R1 but apparently buried and forgotten, Kallen's drive to understand Lelouch only to fail despite knowing all three of the facets of his personality either through personal experience or through someone important to Lelouch, the origins or even some information of the world of C, the sword of Akasha and more notably Geass itself. Despite however the apparent lack of time to explain, develop and conclude those major plot points satisfactorily, they still felt that the slow pacing and the focus on Ashford to be justified. And for the most part, in place of proper development of those plot points, the show was too reliant on the big "oh my god" moments to move the plot along. In general, the show tried to go off in too many directions and in the end could not bring it all together satisfactorily and ended up wasting too much time early on because of it.

Now how did it all wrap up? Looking at the ending, it was a beautiful scene with Lelouch's death and sacrifice. I'd say off the top of my head, that death scene was one of the best if not the best I have seen in a long while. Of course a certain G Gundam death scene tops it but I digress. Now why did I bring this up? It is because, the scene itself aside, there are a few glaring problems I have with the events. Firstly, the very core of Lelouch's character is that he is a realist. He may have some idealistic qualities in him, but at the very core he is a realist. What the ending spelled for me was that he turned more into the idealist that Suzaku was, even down to dieing to atone for his sins. Having someone to blame does not make every opportunistic, self serving person become a saint. If there is one thing history has taught us, it is that we humans have a knack for finding reasons to kill each other for power. One point that I thought really drove home in R1 was that dieing is not atonement, which was illustrated with Suzaku and what I thought was the reason for the Live Geass to be placed on him. That instead of dieing as you want, you have to live for others to atone. Another point is that by declaring that he deserves to die for all the sins he has made with Geass he deserves to die, he, in a way, in validates the good he has done with it as well. He may have trampled over the lives of others but if it was not for him, the Black Knights would not exist, and they would not have gotten as far as they did. Maintaining the peace he created while living and carrying their sins should be the burden of both Suzaku and Lelouch. Also the jump for Kallen from thinking Lelouch was the devil that must be stopped to suddenly knowing everything in his plans was a bit sudden, although perhaps I was hoping for one final encounter that seemed to be what her development was building up to but never was.

While there were many elements I liked within the plot, R2 was just trying too hard to capitalize on the commercial success of R1 by forcing the elements of what initially drew viewers into the series and not doing a proper job of answering the questions raised in R1. I found that in this area, the good just could not outweighed the bad. Too many plot points remained unresolved and the general rushed pacing towards the end dragged the show down for me.


Overall Score: 6.5/10

Overall, while I did have some major problems with the season, Code Geass was still a good series to me, it had the potential to be a great series but this season made it fall short of the mark. I would still recommend this series to people and the series itself had many interesting ideas. Now if only we can get a copy of what Taniguchi had originally planned for R2.....

[Droplet]

Animation Quality: 10.

I never had any problems with the animation.

Voice Acting: 10

I loved Lelouch's voice especially. So grand.

Script: 8

I wished Code Geass R2 had at least more episodes. Felt condensed and in turn did not allow for further characterization. (-1)

Fans are divided on the ending. Some opt for the realistic and tragic ending. While some prefer the 'happily-ever-after' ending where Lelouch lives. However, because the anime is full of symbolisms, it becomes easy to deduct that Lelouch is alive. (-1)

Editing: 10

No problems here either.

[patnam]

i give overall for this series will be 9.5/10...

the beginning is amazing... then from turn 12-16 quite boring, until starting from turn 19 onwards show tragic and epic... true storyline for the main title is set......

[Charred Knight]

I am going to have to agree with Kristen on the death thing. Code Geass makes Gundam Seed Destiny look good on the death department, at least when Gundam Seed Destiny brings you back you at least do more than just be a background character.

We don't even know if Guilford is blind, but for some reason he started wearing dark glasses when he returned.

[Droplet]

I am going to have to agree with Kristen on the death thing. Code Geass makes Gundam Seed Destiny look good on the death department, at least when Gundam Seed Destiny brings you back you at least do more than just be a background character.

We don't even know if Guilford is blind, but for some reason he started wearing dark glasses when he returned.

Guilford recognizes Lelouch as Cornelia. So when Lelouch orders something, he kinda can't help himself but do what Hime-sama wants.

I think those glasses are special too. :)

[Bballmvp4]

The second season of Code Geass was the first anime that I've watched week to week from the beginning. Prior to this, I had downloaded entire seasons and marathoned them until I had catched up with the releases. So, naturally, this has been quite the memorable experience for me.

When reviewing a series it's hard to determine how to gather up the entire experience and attach a number to it. Do you weigh every aspect of the show the same? Does personal emotion and satisfaction play a major part? Should one rank shows based on previous shows viewed (i.e. I gave show X an 8 so i must give show Y less)? Because of these variables I'll make sure to explain my scores to the best of my abilities and I'll be grading Code Geass independantly and not compare it to other series that I've seen.

Animation Quality
For the most part Code Geass was consistant with their animation. There were a few moments where character designs became inconsistant. One example that stands out is when Shirley slips off the ledge and Lelouche and Suzaku save her. In this scene, it looks like Lelouche has an extender arm that had doubled its length. For the most part though, the animation was consistant. During battle scenes there was never a significant drop off in quality or massively recycled scenes.

score: 7.5/10

Sound
This is by far the strongest point in Code Geass. The VA selection was fantastic. You could tell that this was a group of professionals with the emount of emotion and energy being channeled through the characters. A good example of this is during Lelouche's death scene, Nunally's VA did a phenominal job projecting her emotions.

The soundtrack is also one of the best I've heard. I must admit, none of the OPs or EDs really grew on me but to this day I still have background songs from season one stuck in my head.

score: 9/10

Characters
This section is where i really cant make up my mind. On one hand you have a group of dynamic characters who's growth is what really makes Code Geass. On the other hand, you have a few static characters who dont do much but fill their role nicely. On another.... foot? you have several characters who's development sort of falls off the earth.

The group of dynamic characters includes Lelouche, C.C., Villetta, Rolo, and Suzaku. These are the characters who are really developed the most throughout the story. Lelouche has a lot of depth in his character. Being the main character, he needs to be the most developed character and i think the writers really succeeded with him. C.C. could have been developed more for a major character but i think it was sufficient enough not to be seen as a weakness in the story. Viletta and Rolo were also very dynamic characters albeit minor ones.

The static characters include Kaguya, Tamaki, Lloyd, Cecile, Bartley, Mao, most of the black knights, etc. These characters were developed properly. They fit into the story nicely and werent overly ambitious with their characters. development was minimal as it should be. Mao especially did a great job in this area.

This third grouping was one area where Code Geass really failed. The sheer amount of characters in the story didn't allow for proper development for everyone of them. After Kallen was captured her development was over. Nothing ever came from Xingke's illness. Anya was used as a plot device and really nothing more. Nunally seemed to be nothing more than a FOIL for Lelouche. It seems that the writers had a lot planned with several characters that was left on the cutting room floor. There was a lot of development that went nowhere.

Score: 5/10

Script/Plot

Here you have a cohesive plot that was executed poorly. The acctual happenings in the story was good. The plot kept me entertained for its entire runtime. The dialogs/monologs (both internal and external) were well written and had purpose.

The pacing reminds me of myself when writing an in class essay. I have great ideas, start off strong, zone out for a few minutes and lose my train of thought, zone out some more, realize i only have 10 minutes left and try to rush to get all of my great ideas down. There were several streaks of good episodes with good pacing but then you get the zoning out points (love attack/ school based episodes or calm before the storm episodes) that left them with little time to provide all of the climax in a coherent way.

score: 5.5/10

Entertainment (probably going to skew the data)

Everything else aside, Code Geass was very entertaining and always left me wanting more. There was never a point during the series when i wished it was over or skipped through boring parts. It was the first time I've ever watched an episode of a show 3 or 4 times within a few hours/days to make sure i didnt miss anything or to relive my favorite moments. I always know when I've really enjoyed a show based on how i feel when its over. After watching the finale I couldnt sleep that night, Continued Story and Madder Sky have crept into my mind periodicly throughout the past week, and I still have a craving to rewatch the series. Despite all of the anxiety that comes with finishing the show, I also got piece of mind from Lelouche's DEATH and the epilouge. I'm pleased with the conclusion and the meaning that the writers were trying to convey.

score: 10/10

Overall Conventional Score: 6.75/10
Overall Score including enjoyment: 7.4/10

so 6.75-7.4. Prior to writing this review I was going to give it a 7.5-8 so I'm pretty pleased with myself. Of course if there is an OVA or DVD extra that improves development, this score could increase.

[Shuuda]

I'm getting rather annoyed by the fact that people are criticising Code Geass because Scheinzel was not a good "Final villain/boss" figure that they were expecting. Are you people just asking for clichés and formulaic stories or what? Scheinzel was never really a villain at all, he was an antagonist yes, but to me it felt a lot more original and believable that Scheinzel was just a man who's views conflicted with Lelouch.

If you spoon-fed kids want a "final villain" then you have to look no further than Lelouch himself, though in reality there are no "villains" in a story with good characters, just antagonists and conflicts.

Nor do I get what the compliant of pacing is all about, it was never too fast, atleast not too fast for me to easily follow.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Is it just me or are the people voting 10/10 not posting?

What the hell is the point of this thread, if people are just going to vote, and not post reasons. I am glad I am not the only person not voting a 6/10, but I would at least like to see someone defend the thing.

Are they afraid? We won't bite

Dude, just give it a rest already and let people vote their own way. Stop trying to encourage people to vote the show down and let them follow their own inhibitions.

[LAngelo]

@Charred Knight


10/10...happy???? yes, the show was damn sexy to the mth^power and it deserves every last drop of 10's it can get...atleast from me

[Charred Knight]

I'm getting rather annoyed by the fact that people are criticising Code Geass because Scheinzel was not a good "Final villain/boss" figure that they were expecting. Are you people just asking for clichés and formulaic stories or what? Scheinzel was never really a villain at all, he was an antagonist yes, but to me it felt a lot more original and believable that Scheinzel was just a man who's views conflicted with Lelouch.

If you spoon-fed kids want a "final villain" then you have to look no further than Lelouch himself, though in reality there are no "villains" in a story with good characters, just antagonists and conflicts.

Nor do I get what the compliant of pacing is all about, it was never too fast, atleast not too fast for me to easily follow.

They never let ideas, and plots come out naturally. We where forced fed one right after another. Characters like Marianne and Charles are not given enough time to develop, Schneizel is barely given any development. Charles, and Schneizel are known more for "ALL HAIL BRITANNIA", and FABULOUS, than for their actual character.

One of the best things about MSG was how instead of having Amuro face one ace every episode, they created arcs where Amuro would duel an ace, and allow us to sympathize with the ace, give the sense that Amuro was fighting an ace worth fighting. When Amuro defeated the ace we had a feeling that Amuro did something great, and that Zeon was clearly a worth opponent. We simply don't get that feeling from Code Geass. Charles, and Schneizel where not on the level of Lelouch. Schneizel was barely an improvement over Mao, and Charles was a complete idiot with a childish idea cribbed from Evangelion.

Instead of plots been giving time to unravel naturally Marianne shows up, and by the next episode she's dead, Charles reveals his plan and defeated in the same episode, Schneizel shows up and in a couple episodes he's geassed, the only thing that came out of the entire geass order is the fact that that Charles was immortal, and Lelouch had killed a bunch of children.

Given time some of those ideas could have been interesting, as is, only Schneizel was very interesting, Marianne, and Charles came off like bafoons, and V.V is only useful for debating whether Lelouch lived or died.

Every single Knight of Round not named Suzaku was not used for its full potential, even Gino was not shown to be on the level of Kallen or Suzaku.

Compare that to once again MSG, where while Amuro was an excellent pilot, several pilots where on his level, in both the Federation, and Zeon, its just that Amuro and Char became more famous.

At most their should have been 5 KoR, with Anya, and Gino getting more screentime, maybe showing their displeasure at Britannian aristocracy.

The problem of having only good characters is quite simple

instead of Schneizel, and Lelouch seeking peace, they instead seek war,

Why? Because if both didn't act like complete idiots than their would be no Code Geass.

If Schneizel or Lelouch where actually in office, both would be out of office by the time their term limit was over for being incompetent people who tried to force their ideas on other people.

Schneizel didn't feel like a final boss, because like all the other villains, he was taken care of in the same amount of time as it took Lelouch to take care of Mao, the only difference is that Schneizel had FLEIJA, an advantage taken away by Nina.

Also an Anti-villain isn't a unique character that's why TV tropes has an entire page of them.

A unique character is someone like Micheal Wilson, if Code Geass replaced Lelouch with Micheal Wilson, I feel all complaints would go away.
Dude, just give it a rest already and let people vote their own way. Stop trying to encourage people to vote the show down and let them follow their own inhibitions.

I want some intelligent debate, I want people to post their opinions. I want people to dissect their opinions before saying 10/10 "Best anime ever" and that's it.

[Shuuda]

the only thing that came out of the entire geass order is the fact that that Charles was immortal, and Lelouch had killed a bunch of children.

You forgot to add that the Geass cult stuff was also a factor that lead to the OoBKs betraying Lelouch, and V.V dying. So the Geass Cult stuff did matter.

The problem of having only good characters is quite simple

Scheinzel and Lelouch are neither good or bad, only human.


instead of Schneizel, and Lelouch seeking peace, they instead seek war,


And isn't the real world the same? People cannot agree with each other because of their different views. They don't seek war, they infact seek peace, but their conflicting methods and views on peace cause war.

Schneizel didn't feel like a final boss

Because their is not "Final boss" in Code Geass, and if there was one it would be Lelouch, who made himself into the villain.

Also an Anti-villain isn't a unique character that's why TV tropes has an entire page of them.

There are countless characters in the history of fiction, you cannot possibly expect each one to be completely unique, that's just impossible. Heck I bet that even Micheal Wilson is not a completely original character, he probably shares traits with many other character, but put together in a combination that may set him apart from the other who inspired his creation. In my opinion, Scheinzel comes under the Affably Evil trope, though I wouldn't say that Scheinzel is evil.


If Schneizel or Lelouch where actually in office, both would be out of office by the time their term limit was over for being incompetent people who tried to force their ideas on other people.

All leaders try to put their ideas into other people, it's called propaganda, and most people fall for it as well.

[Charred Knight]

You forgot to add that the Geass cult stuff was also a factor that lead to the OoBKs betraying Lelouch, and V.V dying. So the Geass Cult stuff did matter.



Scheinzel and Lelouch are neither good or bad, only human.



And isn't the real world the same? People cannot agree with each other because of their different views. They don't seek war, they infact seek peace, but their conflicting methods and views on peace cause war.



Because their is not "Final boss" in Code Geass, and if there was one it would be Lelouch, who made himself into the villain.



There are countless characters in the history of fiction, you cannot possibly expect each one to be completely unique, that's just impossible. Heck I bet that even Micheal Wilson is not a completely original character, he probably shares traits with many other character, but put together in a combination that may set him apart from the other who inspired his creation. In my opinion, Scheinzel comes under the Affably Evil trope, though I wouldn't say that Scheinzel is evil.



All leaders try to put their ideas into other people, it's called propaganda, and most people fall for it as well.

Their was several things that led to the Black Knights betrayal of Lelouch I can't list them all, and V.V's only purpose was to give Charles immortality, and kill Marianne.

It seems to me that Lelouch and Schneizel where seeking war, neither side never even gave peace a chance. When the oppurtunity rose Schneizel built a Doom Fortress while Lelouch brainwashed soldiers.

Both saw fit to put their different view on the world by force without giving peace a chance.

[yezhanquan]

For a non-devout watcher, I'll give it a 7. I find R2's links with R1 quite... questionable, at least those parts before the Massacre Princess incident. I didn't have a problem reading about the Mao incident (and that was just because of Orange-sama's undoing of Shirley's Geass).

Lelouch and Suzaku: Where do we start? All I can say is eventually, they turned out to be Not So Different after all.

Plenty of Wham episodes towards the end of the season, which numb the senses.

That's it for now. Oh, and I should be getting the yonkoma by As' Maria.

[Shuuda]

Their was several things that led to the Black Knights betrayal of Lelouch I can't list them all, and V.V's only purpose was to give Charles immortality, and kill Marianne.

And to make Nunnaly witness to Marianne "Death". And remember that Marianne's death was important to Lelouch for most of the series. He also gave Rolo his Geass and used him, kidnapped Nunnaly at the black rebellion which caused the fall of Lelouch and the Black Knights.

It seems to me that Lelouch and Schneizel where seeking war, neither side never even gave peace a chance. When the oppurtunity rose Schneizel built a Doom Fortress while Lelouch brainwashed soldiers.

Both were trying to create peace, perhaps through methods we would disagree with. Peace was their final goal. Sometimes, if you want peace, you must prepare for war and what not.

[yezhanquan]

On peace, CG gives us this question: At what price? Loss of free will?

[Charred Knight]

And to make Nunnaly witness to Marianne "Death". And remember that Marianne's death was important to Lelouch for most of the series. He also gave Rolo his Geass and used him, kidnapped Nunnaly at the black rebellion which caused the fall of Lelouch and the Black Knights.



Both were trying to create peace, perhaps through methods we would disagree with. Peace was their final goal. Sometimes, if you want peace, you must prepare for war and what not.

My point is that war shouldn't be something decided so lightly, the current war for example was decided way to lightly.

[Strygwyr]

I want some intelligent debate, I want people to post their opinions. I want people to dissect their opinions before saying 10/10 "Best anime ever" and that's it.

This is not a debate thread:rolleyes:................we got different likings of anime really. why do you want why they gave it a 10?

[tzia_n]

i found it hard to rate R2 by itself and not as part of the entire Code Geass story. as a whole Code Geass was a solid 8 for me. however, R2 wasn't as awesome as i wanted it to be. a lot of random stuff thrown around, a lot of useful stuff thrown away etc etc etc. ultimately, i think it tried to please fans too much. but in any case, it was still enjoyable. i wanted to give it a 6.5 but since the voting is in whole numbers, i'll round it up to 7 because of the way the series ended :)

[Klashikari]

This is not a debate thread:rolleyes:................we got different likings of anime really. why do you want why they gave it a 10?
It is a discussion thread. Whilst it isn't aimed to force people on going over debates and explaining/disagreeing on pro and con about a series, it would be actually interesting to see the reasons for X or Y rating.

If people can write "best/worst anime ever", what about simply elaborate about it? The thread loses its purpose if people copy paste one liners and such, and I would rather create a closed thread with the poll alone if a rating only would be necessary.

It is made for discussion, I absolutely don't see why it is surprising for someone to ASK reasons from others, as long as it isn't silly enough to give arguments while personal tastes are in the front lines.

[Skellington2612]

I gave it a 10 Perfect... it moved in my list of best anime ever... I was not a fan of mecha anime but this kept me on my seat... I watched the first season in two days... and waited inmpatiently for the second... my only complain is the ambiguos ending... but I´ll be waiting for anything new that can come out!!

[lightbringer]

8/10 for me. Despite all the love/hate CGR2 has drawn, I had a lot of fun watching it and it didn't really get worse anywhere despite stalling one or two times. I don't think there are as many plot holes or OOC moments as people claim there to be, either. Overall, this show has a good mix of various genres - there's something in there for everyone.

The mecha designs in Code Geass were far more interesting than any other mecha show I've ever watched, Gundam or otherwise. Lelouch as the protagonist pretty much carried the show - he was badass when he relied on his brain, and badass when using Geass to screw people over, and was still a human after all was said and done. Although I think they went a bit overboard sometimes with how fast he processes information.

I am somewhat bitter about the open ending, about the extremely short epilogue, and about the way Kallen was used to lead us on throughout the series when in the end nothing much came of it. I'm also a bit unhappy about Suzaku's story getting axed - we never got to hear about the reason for his extraordinary physical abilities, for instance, or his affinity with Geass.

Now for the fanboy comments: Lelouch lives! Give Shirley back. This could've been much better without the whole Rolo plot.

[Shippo]

Code Geass R2: 7

Good but it's not the best.

[Charred Knight]

8/10 for me. Despite all the love/hate CGR2 has drawn, I had a lot of fun watching it and it didn't really get worse anywhere despite stalling one or two times. I don't think there are as many plot holes or OOC moments as people claim there to be, either. Overall, this show has a good mix of various genres - there's something in there for everyone.

The mecha designs in Code Geass were far more interesting than any other mecha show I've ever watched, Gundam or otherwise. Lelouch as the protagonist pretty much carried the show - he was badass when he relied on his brain, and badass when using Geass to screw people over, and was still a human after all was said and done. Although I think they went a bit overboard sometimes with how fast he processes information.

I am somewhat bitter about the open ending, about the extremely short epilogue, and about the way Kallen was used to lead us on throughout the series when in the end nothing much came of it. I'm also a bit unhappy about Suzaku's story getting axed - we never got to hear about the reason for his extraordinary physical abilities, for instance, or his affinity with Geass.

Now for the fanboy comments: Lelouch lives! Give Shirley back. This could've been much better without the whole Rolo plot.

The only one I am calling plot hole on is the Marianne storyline just because I find it goes past the suspension of disbelief that so many intelligent people like Cornelia, Bismarck, and Jeremiah can not tell the difference between a person who is good, and pure, and Marianne who is kind of a massive bitch.

It just screams something that M. Night Shamalayn would write, a twist for the sake of a twist.

Overall Code Geass biggest crime was simply planning, instead of planning something that reads naturally like say Gurren Lagann, it reads like a complete mess. Several plot lines seem to have been aborted, but the biggest one was that Suzaku was supposed to be related to Geass, and in the end he wasn't. As I already mentioned more than half of the KoR should have been removed to keep the feel of the KoR as Aces, and not Fodder.

If Taniguchi's plan was to be as good as a Tomino directed anime than he failed, if his plan was to be as good as Gundam Wing, than I would put that as a success, because while R2 does bring CG down, it doesn't bring them down below GW.

Gundam Wing Endless Waltz on the other hand?

I forgot to mention the best part of Code Geass was the unintentional comedy like Lelouch's pope outfit, Emperor Rocket, and the Fetish Fuel of the ending.

I am suprised more people are not rocking slave Nunnaly avatars

[Flame-X]

I'm counting both seasons as a whole so I rate this 8/10.

There were several things that bothered me.
-Countless amount of loose ends such as C2's real name, true nature of geass, whatever happened to Kanon, Sayako, Xingke, etc, etc.
-The first 13 eps were slow paced and identical to the first season.
-The idiot Black Knights having such a happy ending without having to pay a single price. Can't believe none of them died!
-The bullet speed pace in the last 7 eps.
-Introducing too many new characters.

It's a shame that we'll probably never see what Director Taniguchi had originally envisioned Code Geass to be. However, just because the show didn't go the way he wanted doesn't mean it sucks. I was entertained throughout the entire show. I find it rare to see a mecha series with a such a bastard protagonist who's not even the main pilot (infact he's poor at piloting) and becoming the driving force of the events rather than going along with flow of the events. Overall, Code Geass is a very enjoyable series. It's something I definitely would buy on DVD.

[Kusaja]

The only one I am calling plot hole on is the Marianne storyline just because I find it goes past the suspension of disbelief that so many intelligent people like Cornelia, Bismarck, and Jeremiah can not tell the difference between a person who is good, and pure, and Marianne who is kind of a massive bitch.

Considering most of the things that make her look like that only happened after her physical death...it's entirely possible that the Marianne they knew did meet their expectations, at least in some way, while she was alive. It's true, however, that her character was poorly treated, mainly because everything happened so fast.


Overall Code Geass biggest crime was simply planning, instead of planning something that reads naturally like say Gurren Lagann, it reads like a complete mess.


I wouldn't put it that way, but at its core that's a very valid point...and partially the fault of the time slot change and the accompanying modifications the series went through. The staff, naturally, could have handled it better, but it does seem they originally wanted to take advantage of the cliffhanger's momentum and not spend time partially re-booting the show, which was what we got.


Several plot lines seem to have been aborted, but the biggest one was that Suzaku was supposed to be related to Geass, and in the end he wasn't. As I already mentioned more than half of the KoR should have been removed to keep the feel of the KoR as Aces, and not Fodder.

Suzaku's presumed connection to the Geass hardly got off the ground, we only had a few hints, so it's hard to say what it could have been...but it's probably the one abandoned subplot which has the most specific evidence behind it (in other words, we can clearly tell something was originally planned and left in the cutting room floor). The other examples that are often cited as "aborted subplots" tend to more closely resemble particular audience expectations, perhaps reading too much into a couple of things, than anything else per se.

If Taniguchi's plan was to be as good as a Tomino directed anime than he failed, if his plan was to be as good as Gundam Wing, than I would put that as a success, because while R2 does bring CG down, it doesn't bring them down below GW.


Unless we can actually read Taniguchi's mind, it's impossible to know whether he was trying to do anything remotely like what you describe. Then again, I'd still say Code Geass was a better show than a couple of Tomino-directed series (the man made certain masterpieces, the original Gundam first and foremost -particularly the movie adaptations-, but also other series of varying quality where opinions may be divided).

I forgot to mention the best part of Code Geass was the unintentional comedy like Lelouch's pope outfit, Emperor Rocket, and the Fetish Fuel of the ending.


All that really didn't do much for me, to be honest, but I guess that's one thing that will always attract attention. Also, I imagine the staff wasn't entirely aloof about the comedic potential of some of those scenes or outfits. :heh:

[Lie]

Klashikari and several others have already voiced most of my opinions and so I won't waste anyones time to repeat them here. This season with all its ups and downs, on the entertainment level would be a 10/10, on the 'was it actually a good story that I'd consider watching again' level it would be a 5/10. Season 1 is close to a 10/10 in both respects but Season 2 was nothing more than an empty bucket of air. It failed to deliver in everything except the 'shock factor' and a good ending. (Seriously, if I sit down to watch it again I'll likely be spending more time laughing at certain characters and how little they did Kanon, Gino, Anya, the entire KoR except Suzaku, Xingke, and so on.)

But I rated this on the overall series scale, both series included, so I voted 8/10, rounded up. 5/10 for R2.

[Sorrow-K]

Despite the fact that my inner critic is telling me, screaming at me in fact, to rate it lower, I'm rating it "Good". 7/10.

The positive things about Code Geass R2 is that it's ambitious, creative and has a lot of balls. It had these characters that, under most circumstances, would be completely loathesome, but the show made them vulnerable enough to still be sympathetic. Particularly Lelouch. I really appreciated the parallel in character development between Lelouch and Suzuka, in that, in a way, both of them "devolved" and were really hardened by their experiences and it actually (ironically) lead them become allies after being enemies after being friends in childhood. And yet, despite this, Lelouch still maintained a semblance of humanity up until the unfortunately ambiguous ending which actually brings this into question. And as far as entertainment value is concerned, I'm not going to debate that the show was a hell of a roller-coaster ride.

The big negative for me was too many plot twists. The pacing was too rampant and it was like a pit bull that someone just pricked with a needle. Every episode had one or more brick-shitting plot twist, and it just became too much. In a universe where anything can happen, who cares what really does? The pacing wasn't conducive to truly credible drama because things weren't allowed to develop properly. Issues and thematics were cast to one side in favour of shocking revelations and cat-and-mouse games of suspense (against who, exactly, is ultimately of little importance). Code Geass R2 isn't exactly a show that demands to be taken "seriously", so I can't really blame the people who didn't or couldn't. I was impressed by Zero Requiem which did actually fill in some of the holes of the very frustrating sequence of three or four episodes between about 19-22 (or there abouts, I can't remember the exact episode numbers) where hardly anything made sense, but in hindsight I thought the ambiguous ending was a cop-out (take note of the fact that people have interpreted it depending on what they'd prefer, so basically it made everyone happy, even if Lelouch is basically anime's version of Schrodinger's Cat) and it brought into question just what sort of person Lelouch was, when I thought we were given an answer in the very well executed (cinematic-wise) Zero Requiem scene.

So yeah, there's good and bad in this show. I enjoyed it, but I think its critics have tended to present more convincing arguments about its merits as a credible piece of storytelling and/or drama than its proponents.

This is actually my first post in the Geass subforum.

[Alchemist007]

This is from another forum, and I don't know if anyone else has posted it here yet. But its possibly not over (depending on the following statement's validity):

A clip from the producer's blog post...

読者の质问に左の第3四半期に発表したすべては、次の..
ccは彼女の愿いを达成するために话が変更される场合が确かに。
平和が长すぎる0.2年とされた后、国の平和を破るにはありません。

and a rough translation:

All that were announced to readers in the 3rd left quarter are next.. As for CC, into which will be changed in order to carry out is for whether it being or not? Is it about her Peace?

It is not in breaking the peace of the Empress and a country made into some of the passing year.


Hope of more Geass = :):):)

[FoxxFireArt]

Klashikari and several others have already voiced most of my opinions and so I won't waste anyones time to repeat them here. This season with all its ups and downs, on the entertainment level would be a 10/10, on the 'was it actually a good story that I'd consider watching again' level it would be a 5/10. Season 1 is close to a 10/10 in both respects but Season 2 was nothing more than an empty bucket of air. It failed to deliver in everything except the 'shock factor' and a good ending. (Seriously, if I sit down to watch it again I'll likely be spending more time laughing at certain characters and how little they did Kanon, Gino, Anya, the entire KoR except Suzaku, Xingke, and so on.)

But I rated this on the overall series scale, both series included, so I voted 8/10, rounded up. 5/10 for R2.

In my opinion. Gino has to be one of the worst developed characters in anime history. At no point did it ever make sense what he was fighting for. When he asked himself that after Suzaku defeated him. I asked the very same thing.
He seemed so angry that Schneizel was going to assassinate Charles, but for some reason sides with him for the final battle. Why was it he was so angry with Lelouch when came out sitting in the Emperor's chair? It's not like he ever had a personal grudge against him.
Gino spent his whole season always so clingy to Suzaku, but they never really made much of a connection.

The only thing we ever really learned about him is that he comes from a rich family, came from a VERY high class school (I thought Ashford was high class), and wanted to see Suzaku smile.
He was also completely out of the loop. Through the entire series did he ever learn anything? Like that Lelouch was the original Zero, or about the Geass?
It's not like he was that impressive of a KMF pilot. His only real victories in battle were against minor characters.
At no time did he ever have any influence to the plot. Look at when Anya and Gino joined Ashford. Anya joined to find out about Lelouch. That linked to one of the greatest mysteries of the series, Marianne's death.
Gino joined for the fun.

Take Gino completely out of the story; and what is missing?

[ashesatdusk]

At least a 7/10 in my opinion. Would I rewatch it ? I'm not sure. Would recommend someone else watch it ? yes.

I'm at a loss to say whether the story is good or just cheesy. The ending I think was fitting. But the story felt rushed to the extent it was choppy, because of an expected plot twist at end of every single episode. I've definitely seen better from Sunrise's doors, and I've also seen a lot worse. Over all I think though the characters of Code Geass, major and minor are over all very well conceived, and I think they did a decent job between the transition of their previous roles to their new roles. Lelouch became more human than he was in R1, Suzaku though annoying as ever became less idealistic, and ruthless like lelouch.

Animation was fine, clamps character designs you either love or hate, I like their story style the art annoys me a bit.

If they ever expand anymore in code geass, I hope they leave the continuity of this story as is. An OVA with a C2 Back story might be nice, or maybe an alternative universe sort of deal.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Well, here's my assessment:

Main Points

Storyline: 9/10. Although the plot twists got so numerous as to be somewhat ridiculous, I still enjoyed them immensely. This had so many OMGWTF moments it is incredible. Usually at least one WTF moment per episode. I mean, it takes an extraordinary script writer to put in that many twists. Other than that, the entire series has a wonderful kind of circularity to it, and most ends are tied up at the end. I thought that the way it ended complimented the way it began. In my opinion, Code Geass R2 for me was how S1 should have been.

Animation: 10/10. Though a few times it had me scratching me head because some of the character models looked a bit too thin, for the most part it was a beautifully high-quality anime from beginning to end. One would be hard pressed to find an anime that has such a consistent high quality animation standard. Yes, there was occasional wild distortions (usually in facial expressions), but a lot less than most anime, and far less ridiculous when it comes right down to it.

Character Design/Development: 8/10. Though lelouch mainly drives the show, I did like a ton of secondary characters. However, when the final few episodes came around, I was disappointed when I found out exactly how flat a lot of the secondary characters turned out to be (e.g. Toudou, Cornelia). They were still significant components to the story, though.

Voice Acting: 9/10. Again, I think for me Lelouch had the most compelling voice out of the entire cast, but I think everyone played their parts well. I have no complaints, really. No one can portray emotion quite like original Japanese voice actors.

Editing: 8/10. Though for the most part it was very good, a few times they had a tendency in between episodes to change to a drastically different pacing, such as moving from a battle scene at the end of one episode to a World of C at the start of the next one (as an example).

Other Stuff

Opening Song/Animation: 10/10. OP 2. I love it. I even got the song to put on my iPod, lol.

Ending Song/Animation: 4/10. Everyone has an OP or ED they really don't like, and this was it for me. I always skipped it.

Final Comments

Overall: 9/10. Not quite perfect, but darn close enough. I really liked the ending too, even though it surprised me quite a bit. A lot of people don't like the fact that Lelouch died, but I thought it was fitting given the direction of the storyline.

[C.A.]

Animation Quality: 8.5, I'd say its above average animation.
Voice Actors: 10, the cast was amazing, has quite a couple of my favourites as well.
Script: 8, probably because I like surprises of any kind.
Editing: 9, its hard to put together such a fast paced plot and still make decent sense.

Well, it sort of rounds up to 9/10 overall for me.

[yezhanquan]

In my opinion. Gino has to be one of the worst developed characters in anime history. At no point did it ever make sense what he was fighting for. When he asked himself that after Suzaku defeated him. I asked the very same thing.
He seemed so angry that Schneizel was going to assassinate Charles, but for some reason sides with him for the final battle. Why was it he was so angry with Lelouch when came out sitting in the Emperor's chair? It's not like he ever had a personal grudge against him.
Gino spent his whole season always so clingy to Suzaku, but they never really made much of a connection.

The only thing we ever really learned about him is that he comes from a rich family, came from a VERY high class school (I thought Ashford was high class), and wanted to see Suzaku smile.
He was also completely out of the loop. Through the entire series did he ever learn anything? Like that Lelouch was the original Zero, or about the Geass?
It's not like he was that impressive of a KMF pilot. His only real victories in battle were against minor characters.
At no time did he ever have any influence to the plot. Look at when Anya and Gino joined Ashford. Anya joined to find out about Lelouch. That linked to one of the greatest mysteries of the series, Marianne's death.
Gino joined for the fun.

Take Gino completely out of the story; and what is missing?

I seriously have the thought that Gino was in the story because of who his seiyu was. Either that, or they just wanted to put in a high ranking character who becomes utterly disorientated by events around him, and didn't want to question why he should be doing X. He simply is there, and he acted. Without thinking.

[Narona]

This is from another forum, and I don't know if anyone else has posted it here yet. But its possibly not over (depending on the following statement's validity):


and a rough translation:



Hope of more Geass = :):):)
I don't understand what he is saying ?_?

[Levy]

I gave Code Geass R2 a 7, mainly because of the crescendo of the last episodes.
I won’t repeat what other people have said already, many important part of the story were too rushed, some characters didn’t have time to have a proper development in the show, with Suzaku and Charles being the more blantant example. Otherwise I’m fully satisfied with what they did with Lelouch and Nunnaly, and even CC, if you forget the moe part (and I won’t go into secondary characters because it would be seriously too long XD).
Maybe a little smaller cast (more ‘conservative’ of S1) would have fit the whole plot better.
I do not like the character design and animation, but that goes with my personal taste. Ears are otherwise very pleased with Geass. So, seven out of ten.

I'm getting rather annoyed by the fact that people are criticising Code Geass because Scheinzel was not a good "Final villain/boss" figure that they were expecting. Are you people just asking for clichés and formulaic stories or what?

Same here. What I've sadly observed with my intensive lurking in this fandom, is that the majority of people have some sort of urgency to spot out who is the 'Hero' and who is the 'Villain' and see the show as a clash between good and evil - while Geass is a story about a boy with a quite distinctive personality and the terrible power of wishes. It's not definitely an arcade game.

..and.. another thing.. people, stop throwing shit at the BK (Karen included). It was crap from the very start, but in these days, it's really OLD crap.
If you don't get their motivations, go back watch S1 and you'll find out everything you need to understand. The fact they didn't give them enough screentime in R2 to make their mutinity absolutely realistic just doesn't make them idiots or faggots or badasses.
If the writers were persuaded they are doing it all wrong, you would not have got this ending in wich almost everyone is living a happy and satisfactory life.
So, if you are all still thinking all they've done since the mutiny was fail and awfull, maybe there's something you have misinterpreted.

[Charred Knight]

I gave Code Geass R2 a 7, mainly because of the crescendo of the last episodes.
I won’t repeat what other people have said already, many important part of the story were too rushed, some characters didn’t have time to have a proper development in the show, with Suzaku and Charles being the more blantant example. Otherwise I’m fully satisfied with what they did with Lelouch and Nunnaly, and even CC, if you forget the moe part (and I won’t go into secondary characters because it would be seriously too long XD).
Maybe a little smaller cast (more ‘conservative’ of S1) would have fit the whole plot better.
I do not like the character design and animation, but that goes with my personal taste. Ears are otherwise very pleased with Geass. So, seven out of ten.



Same here. What I've sadly observed with my intensive lurking in this fandom, is that the majority of people have some sort of urgency to spot out who is the 'Hero' and who is the 'Villain' and see the show as a clash between good and evil - while Geass is a story about a boy with a quite distinctive personality and the terrible power of wishes. It's not definitely an arcade game.

..and.. another thing.. people, stop throwing shit at the BK (Karen included). It was crap from the very start, but in these days, it's really OLD crap.
If you don't get their motivations, go back watch S1 and you'll find out everything you need to understand. The fact they didn't give them enough screentime in R2 to make their mutinity absolutely realistic just doesn't make them idiots or faggots or badasses.
If the writers were persuaded they are doing it all wrong, you would not have got this ending in wich almost everyone is living a happy and satisfactory life.
So, if you are all still thinking all they've done since the mutiny was fail and awfull, maybe there's something you have misinterpreted.

My only complaint is that since the Black Knights where so poorly written that it made them look like complete idiots because only Lelouch, Kallen, and Suzaku where ever properly developed.

As for it being a battle of gray, I have no problem when that, except that most people do want to see a battle of good vs evil, and so they try to make Lelouch a shining example of good trying to overthrow his evil father, and Schneizel to be some nutcase that just wants to blow up the world.

The same thing happened with Death Note, and that even had the writer bashing it into the audiences head that Light was evil.

[Droplet]

Everyone agrees that R2 would've seen more of its potential if it had 39 episodes.

Rushed R2 turned out to be fairly awesome, what more if it it had been completed properly?

Despite everything, you'd have to give R2 props for making the main villain die by turning into a magical rocket.

[HayashiTakara]

What I liked most about Code Geass is that they weren't afraid to kill people off.

[D a m i e n]

Aside from the filler episode the serie was ok++ up to the eps where gendo tried to pull a third impact... err wait i mean charles tried to fussion all humanity.
Then it went downhill, hit the ground and kept digging.
I would say it was like receiving a blowjob only to be interrupted on the verge of climaxing and being forced to finish by yourself.

A lot of potential was wasted tried way too hard to be dramatic to pull a cliff-hanger out of each episode.
i would give it a 5/10

What I liked most about Code Geass is that they weren't afraid to kill people off.

hooo the sarcasm

[ashlay]

hooo the sarcasm
Euphemia, Shirley, Rolo, 3 of the 4 holy swords, the majority of Ougi's terrorist cell, 90% of the antagonists, etc. >_>

you also strike me as one of the people who thinks Lelouch is dead, since that's usually what people who have an irrational hate for this series go with.

[Levy]

My only complaint is that since the Black Knights where so poorly written that it made them look like complete idiots because only Lelouch, Kallen, and Suzaku where ever properly developed.

And, damn, they weren't so laid back in s1 *_*

I don't think they look like total idiots anyway, the mutinity was all but unreasonable, and their lack of effectiveness in the final battle makes them nothing more than normal human beings overshadowed by both Lelouch and Schneizel's rare intellects (and by the Geass, in the first case).

The bashing is clearly all Lulu-biased, but also characters like said, Lloyd and Cécile that are canonely very smart people would look like idiots back in 22 since the writers give them like 10 seconds of screentime to doubth what they were doing in following Lelouch.

Jeez, I love Shirley, but I'd love to know much more about all of this rather than knowing how frustrated the poor thing was about her crush. @.@!

The same thing happened with Death Note, and that even had the writer bashing it into the audiences head that Light was evil.

I've never been active part of Death Note fandom, althought I've read the manga and enjoyed it quite lot, but when I reported to a friend that has been quite active in DN fandom the Lulu-case, her comment was "ah, just like Light!"
And then I started to think that a lot of the misreading in the moral message of the series was actually due to the fanbase more than to the not so shiny writing itself.
Lelouch is ten times a better person than Light Yagami, but you can't really say he's a saint or a hero or such a nice, kind guy.

[Alchemist007]

I don't understand what he is saying ?_?
I think its something along the lines of it being about CC's history and not about messing up the current peace that Nunnally is in charge of.

[D a m i e n]

Euphemia, Shirley, Rolo, 3 of the 4 holy swords, the majority of Ougi's terrorist cell, 90% of the antagonists, etc. >_>

you also strike me as one of the people who thinks Lelouch is dead, since that's usually what people who have an irrational hate for this series go with.

i dont concider that a lot of dead people, (3 named characters) beside no one cares about the no named grunt that died.
the authors pulled people back from the dead **cough nunally & sayako cought** and used random plot shield on others **cought cornelia suzaku and all the BK cought**, i concider that a serie with a high deatghtol would be gundamZ to an even bigger extend there would be blassreiter as a lot of characters die during the show and not only during the last 2 episodes.
In the last 2~3 episode there was a grand total of 2 dead main character (only 1 if you concider lelouch staged his death)

what did i do to strike you as someone that think LL is dead :( ? i barely post more 1 or 2 post in the last 5 weeks of code geass
As for LL being alive or dead it left to the view discretion some will want to believe other will think it s better for him to be dead.
If he is alive and kicking i d love to see him make comeback in 5+ years when people start doing the same mistake again. God i d love to see his world wide broadcast something like :"Fouls! i gave you a chance to start over with no injustice and discrimination, i sacrifice myself wearing the mask of the evil to focus the world against me and yet you are repeating the same mistakes again and forced me out of my retirement...." followed by some fabulous hand gesture etc etc.
But i think it s better for him to be dead as it s what he wished as his punishment for killing euphi & CO. If he is still alive it would "cheapen" his sacrifice (but would open a new chance (lol like she ever had one :( ) to kallen).

[FoxxFireArt]

My only complaint is that since the Black Knights where so poorly written that it made them look like complete idiots because only Lelouch, Kallen, and Suzaku where ever properly developed.

As for it being a battle of gray, I have no problem when that, except that most people do want to see a battle of good vs evil, and so they try to make Lelouch a shining example of good trying to overthrow his evil father, and Schneizel to be some nutcase that just wants to blow up the world.

The same thing happened with Death Note, and that even had the writer bashing it into the audiences head that Light was evil.

As a chess lover myself. I really despised how the theme of chess was used throughout the series, but that was tossed to the wilds for the final battle.
I think that was one of the major reasons why I always enjoyed the Lelouch and Kallen relationship. He was the King and she was the Queen. I know there is a whole controversy about that, and I don't want to start a whole Queen debate here. I'm just saying that if you know anything about chess then Kallen fits perfectly as the Queen. At least when it comes to the battles. In chess the Queen is the most powerful fighter on the board.

Well, is it all that surprising that the major characters in the series get the most development?
I do want to disagree that those characters are the only ones with development.
Whether you like her or not. Nina got a good level of development. She really when on the gamut. She went from introvert racist, to psychotic yuri, to revenge driven, to horror of her own actions, path to redemption, and finally to making her sins right with creating the counter to her own destructive creation. You can not call her a static character. She did not end the way she began.

[Kusaja]

i dont concider that a lot of dead people, (3 named characters) beside no one cares about the no named grunt that died.
the authors pulled people back from the dead **cough nunally & sayako cought** and used random plot shield on others **cought cornelia suzaku and all the BK cought**, i concider that a serie with a high deatghtol would be gundamZ to an even bigger extend there would be blassreiter as a lot of characters die during the show and not only during the last 2 episodes.
In the last 2~3 episode there was a grand total of 2 dead main character (only 1 if you concider lelouch staged his death)


There was actually an explanation for how Nunnally and Sayoko survived, and one with some previous on-screen evidence even (other people already talked about the decoy shuttle and certain details at the time). I didn't have much of a problem with that.

I would admit that the BKs surviving was a little too convenient, but then again they escaped using a readily available mechanism.

Cornelia's and especially Guilford's survival is what bothers me a little bit (though I didn't want her to die like that, in any case).

In the case of Suzaku during the last episode, we only see the Lancelot Albion explode from a certain distance, without an elaborate death scene and not close enough to be certain of his death...and it makes sense for him to find a way to escape, since he has the "Live" Geass after all, which forces him to survive.

High death counts aren't necessarily a good or bad thing, in my opinion, though I admittedly would have preferred a few less "returns" in R2 (again, in particular Cornelia and Guilford for that matter).

[Narona]

Cornelia's and especially Guilford's survival is what bothers me a little bit (though I didn't want her to die like that, in any case).

What bothers me is that NO ONE seems to see that Schneizel was geassed. I mean, talking with a guy who, I suppose, repeats "i serve zero, I serve zero" etc. would feel a bit weird no?

Same as what Gaohai was. And XingKe saw immediately that something went wrong.

This time, no one is shocked >_>

[C.A.]

The thing about Nunnally and Sayoko's death is that their were listed dead on the website and literally brought back to life after that.

There are more named characters that returned alive after supposed death scenes than characters that stayed dead.you also strike me as one of the people who thinks Lelouch is dead, since that's usually what people who have an irrational hate for this series go with. Just mentioning that I'm one of the people who liked more or less the entire season and I believe he is dead.

Whether he is dead or alive is both fine to me anyway, but I still believe he is dead. It would be better for him to die with his sins and not need to live a life of guilt, even worse if he's immortal.

[LastOrder]

All heil Lelouch. ;__;


I cried more when Roro...Yeah, it was pure mindfu** I cried, and laughed, and gasped.

Code geass was awesome. Now I have to find another anime to fill in that hole for me.

[Levy]

Well, is it all that surprising that the major characters in the series get the most development?
I do want to disagree that those characters are the only ones with development.

They are not the only one, of course, and you made a really good example with Nina. Other minor characters that are handled well are Kaguya, Milly, Diethard - we might discuss about the scene of his death but his intentions and actions makes perfect sense with his character and are explored to a decent degree.
What I wanted to say is that characters that are quite important to the plot and played a usefull role both in S1 and in the final part of R2 (Ohgi, Lloyd &Cecile, also Tohdoh in respect of Suzaku) were push aside in the first 15 episodes to talk about new characters that are not all that necessary to the plot.
Someone else mentioned Gino before, and it's a really good example. I do like Gino, but the plot could do withouth him. Kannon, too. And of course they are nicer than Ohgi to look at, but I'd have want to know better what was going on on Ohgi's mind about the BK growing bigger and bigger and changing into an international organizzation.
The wild bashing would have come anyway, but maybe it would have been a way to make his subsequent actions make more sense in the eyes of the viewer. Same for Lloyd and Cécile, that weren't bashed just because they litterally happened to be on Emperor Lelouch side.

What bothers me is that NO ONE seems to see that Schneizel was geassed. I mean, talking with a guy who, I suppose, repeats "i serve zero, I serve zero" etc. would feel a bit weird no?


I guess Schneizel's brain is not fucked up, he's just supposed to not revolt against the will of Zero, but for the majority of time he acts like normal. You might see his geass like a powered-up version of the geass Lelouch put on Guilford: he obey his master, but he's nothing different from his real self.
Of course, mine is just a theory since they didn't show Schneizel after he was about to be executed.
I'm curious about the effects on his memory and how Suzaku will settle things up with him in peace time.

[Kusaja]

What bothers me is that NO ONE seems to see that Schneizel was geassed. I mean, talking with a guy who, I suppose, repeats "i serve zero, I serve zero" etc. would feel a bit weird no?

Same as what Gaohai was. And XingKe saw immediately that something went wrong.

This time, no one is shocked >_>

Well, if the new Zero tells Schneizel to "stay quiet" or "don't mention you are my servant in public"...I'd think he would be a little more convincing. :heh:

The thing about Nunnally and Sayoko's death is that their were listed dead on the website and literally brought back to life after that.

There are more named characters that returned alive after supposed death scenes than characters that stayed dead.Just mentioning that I'm one of the people who liked more or less the entire season and I believe he is dead.

Whether he is dead or alive is both fine to me anyway, but I still believe he is dead. It would be better for him to die with his sins and not need to live a life of guilt, even worse if he's immortal.

You do have a point about that last part, though I am open to both outcomes, but about the first...regardless of what the website said, and for the first week they were both listed as MIA, there was information in the same episode that could help explain why they were able to survive. It wasn't like there was absolutely nothing other than writer's whim to support that. There were already theories explaining why they could survive, relatively early on. It does look somewhat anti-climatic, that is true.

[killbethy]

When I went back and watched season one after watching R2, I had a realization that R2 was less of a sequel to the original Code Geass and more like a story based off of what they already created. Somewhere during the gap, the pacing and mind games that made Code Geass such a great series were lost. R2 was less about the characters and more about giving the fans what they want (a Lelouch that is not concretely dead or alive, a major battle with no major character deaths, a battle where no one comes out the winner, kissing scenes with all love interests but no victor)... basically, R2 gave fans everything they wanted and took away any plot elements that would anger fans of x, y or z. It was fanfare done in the best possible way, and enjoyable while watching (but significantly less enjoyable looking back and thinking about it.

We wound up with an ending that was like candy for babies to not get fans of any character angry. It's insulting that they couldn't write a concrete ending for the series without fearing they would anger someone. Most of the plot was completely left out if it didn't concern Lelouch (what is Geass? what is that Jupiter planet? who/what are the gods? what does Geass have to do with the beginning of the world?). The story was incredibly rushed... there was more time devoted to Shirley's death (3 episodes) as the Zero Requiem (which might explain why it was such a silly, half-thought out plan). The Zero Requiem was so hyped up that they made it impossible for themselves to create a Zero Requiem that lived up to what everyone had decided in their minds and opted for the worst possible route... making it obvious. But too many strings were left untied.... Lelouch, atleast a character painted with his intelligence, would no the peace he created is fragile at best; Kanon is still wandering around somewhere and knows the truth about everything, including what Schneizel's Geass is and could derail the whole Zero Requiem by sewing a cape and buying a mask; no political ending was given, just a shot of Ohgi shaking hands with Nunnally... is there even a Britannia anymore?... I could go on and on.

So 8/10, because the art direction, music, and all of those goodies. Each episode was like a jewel that kept you hanging on till the next week... but somehow at the end, you didn't wind up with a treasure. Just another slightly above average anime. Maybe it would have been impossible to end Code Geass in a way that gave justice to the entire series and was as good as watching the whole show. But this ending certainly wasn't it.... it seemed like Tanaguchi gave up on Code Geass a long time ago.

[Charred Knight]

What I liked most about Code Geass is that they weren't afraid to kill people off.
Only 3 important good guys where killed, Euphemia, Shirley, and Rolo.

Compare that to say Ideon, where I won't spoil the ending, but its quite famous.

Also compare that to any anime "kill 'em all" Tomino made in the late 70's- Early 90's except for ZZ Gundam. Zeta Gundam is famous for its downer ending, Victory Gundam was especially cruel, and and Zambot 3 kills some people as well.

Euphemia, Shirley, Rolo, 3 of the 4 holy swords, the majority of Ougi's terrorist cell, 90% of the antagonists, etc. >_>

you also strike me as one of the people who thinks Lelouch is dead, since that's usually what people who have an irrational hate for this series go with.

Who cares about the antagonists and Ougi's terrorist cell

Its like claiming that Bleach is a dark series because a lot of hollows die in it. Also nice strawman, claim that you obviously wrongly hate the series, which is the only reason you want Lelouch to die.

[Shuuda]

Other people who have died include:

- Luciano.
- That fat, bald guy.
- V.V.
- The two original Black Knight members at the Black Rebellion.
- The guy who gave Asahina that testimony, which was a factor in Todou betraying Zero.

[ashlay]

Just mentioning that I'm one of the people who liked more or less the entire season and I believe he is dead.

Whether he is dead or alive is both fine to me anyway, but I still believe he is dead. It would be better for him to die with his sins and not need to live a life of guilt, even worse if he's immortal.
and yes, I wasn't saying believing Lelouch is dead means you hate the series, I was saying if you hate the series you probably think Lelouch is dead. Of course there are no absolutes.

Its like claiming that Bleach is a dark series because a lot of hollows die in it. Also nice strawman, claim that you obviously wrongly hate the series, which is the only reason you want Lelouch to die.
terrible analogy, as Bleach is a story which had an entire arc where absolutely no antagonists died, and then most of them ended up becoming protagonists for the next arc. Can't say the same for most of Britannia in this series. Hell, the act of killing Rolo alone puts CG's death count over Bleach.

[sLum]

O man R1 was great. R2 had a few good moments, I think the best episode of the series was episode 15 of R2. That and Rolo's death were the only real good points in R2. It was a major let down. People need to look at GITS (ghost in the shell) formula and learn something from it. If they mess up G00, I'm going to japan and teabagging all the people working for sunrise.

[Charred Knight]

Other people who have died include:

- Luciano.
- That fat, bald guy.
- V.V.
- The two original Black Knight members at the Black Rebellion.
- The guy who gave Asahina that testimony, which was a factor in Todou betraying Zero.

Yes, but nobody cares about those people

Did anyone watching the massacre episode stare in shock and say

"I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY KILLED THE FAT BALD GUY!"


terrible analogy, as Bleach is a story which had an entire arc where absolutely no antagonists died, and then most of them ended up becoming protagonists for the next arc. Can't say the same for most of Britannia in this series. Hell, the act of killing Rolo alone puts CG's death count over Bleach.

That was one arc, and their where several Britannians that turned good

Cornelia, Guilford, Villeta, Jeremiah, Anya, Gino

[incorrupts]

Yes, but nobody cares about those people

Did anyone watching the massacre episode stare in shock and say

"I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY KILLED THE FAT BALD GUY!"

Personally no. lawl

But yeah, Euphie and Shirley were two of my fav charas and they were LEFT really, really dead. {Rolo's death scene was really touching as well. After that, everyone else was coming back, kinda cliche and anti-climatic. :/}

[ashlay]

That was one arc, and their where several Britannians that turned good

Cornelia, Guilford, Villeta, Jeremiah, Anya, Gino
In the ending sure, but during the story proper only Jeremiah became and protagonist. Face it, people died, a number of protagonists too. Despite what some people may want to imply, this show wasn't like Mai Hime by a long shot. >_>

[Charred Knight]

In the ending sure, but during the story proper only Jeremiah became and protagonist. Face it, people died, a number of protagonists too. Despite what some people may want to imply, this show wasn't like Mai Hime by a long shot. >_>

That's not exactly that hard not to be Mai Hime, its got one of the worst endings I have ever seen. it was more like Gundam Seed, and Seed Destiny where they kept ruining sad moments for no reason.

A death count out of an 80's Tomino series would have been more appropiate. Instead we only got three deaths that where well done in the entire series.

[Kang Seung Jae]

9/10.


Given the various problems of timing and other things, this series turned out better than I expected.


If Sunrise releases backup info in the DVDs, I'll raise it up to 10.

[Strong Logic Speaker]

8/10...................could been better if it was not a messed up plot.

[TOP]

At the beginning of the season, I was in love with this anime. The animation quality was very precise and the storyline went in an interesting direction.

However, the animation quality started to drop during a few episodes and did not pick back up until around the last two or three episodes.

Also, the story seemed very rushed near the ending. Not only that, not all answers to all questions were given (assuming that R2 is the final season.)

Overall, I'd still give this a 9/10, mainly because this was the only anime that actually kept my interest throughout the whole time and made me anticipate the next episode.

[Discerptor]

That's not exactly that hard not to be Mai Hime, its got one of the worst endings I have ever seen. it was more like Gundam Seed, and Seed Destiny where they kept ruining sad moments for no reason.

A death count out of an 80's Tomino series would have been more appropiate. Instead we only got three deaths that where well done in the entire series.

Euphy's death was in S1, and Shirley's death actually made me laugh. Therefore, it's more like one well done death in all of R2, and that belonged to the token yaoi-bait character whose existence turned out to be inconsequential anyway. It's quite a shame that the number could have been higher if Nunnally and the other characters that were in Tokyo settlement at the time of the Second Decisive Battle hadn't been Sunrisen from the dead. It made FLEIJA completely lose all value as a threatening tool too, since statistically it only killed 25% of the people it supposedly hit, and that was with its intro episode boost to awesome.

[Kusaja]

I thought Shirley's death, or rather that episode in general, was fine so I can't honestly complain there, aside from Jeremiah's all too quick turn which would have worked better as a two-parter.

Setting aside the issue of actual in-episode evidence which hinted at Sayoko's and Nunnally's not dying, which is more than what can be said for others...the last arc would have to be modified by a fair amount in order to accommodate Nunnally's early death. Schneizel would lose his bait, though that's relatively minor, and the final act of Zero Requiem would be less emotional, without that particular confrontation and its consequences, which would be a bigger deal.

A workable alternative could have been found somehow, admittedly, and at the time I did say Nunnally should have stayed dead for the purposes of better storytelling, but the fact is that wasn't what the staff had in mind even back when Turn 18 aired. Rather, I'd have kept Guilford and/or Cornelia dead or avoided seemingly killing them off in the first place, to minimize the amount of changes.

[Rydrallen]

Story:
a) Content: 9.0/10
b) Pace: 9.0/10
c) Dialogue: 9.5/10

Animation:
a) Character Expressions: 9.5/10
b) Styles: 10/10
c) Battle Scenes: 10/10

Presentation:
a) Quality: 9.5/10
b) Camera: 9.5/10
c) Music: 10/10

Overall: 9.5/10
Comments: I think CG raised the standard of anime in general.:p

[Halibel-sama]

Trainwreck.

Other than Rolo's death scene, which was very beautiful and emotional, and the OP's and most of the fight choreography, R2 was a joke from the very first episode.

It's like Gundam SEED Destiny, but with more animation. Actually, GSD is better, excluding the amount of animation part.

1/10 for being such a huge disappointment.

Code Geass Season 1 was brilliant, and should have been the end of the series.

[Droplet]

Trainwreck.

Other than Rolo's death scene, which was very beautiful and emotional, and the OP's and most of the fight choreography, R2 was a joke from the very first episode.

It's like Gundam SEED Destiny, but with more animation. Actually, GSD is better, excluding the amount of animation part.

1/10 for being such a huge disappointment.

Code Geass Season 1 was brilliant, and should have been the end of the series.

OK. Sunrise thanks you for watching. :D

[Liddo-kun]

Animation and background music are high quality, while the story may feel a bit rushed I still enjoyed the story of Code geass better than any Gundam series I've ever watched.

Giving Code Geass a high 9/10, it would have been 10 if they revealed C.C's real name. >_<

[ZeroSama]

Animation: Reasonably good overall with quality animation when it mattered. 8/10

VA: Top quality all around the board barring Gino. 10/10

Music: Barring the Ali project crap it was top quality music that was used effectively and definitely ehanced the key scens. 9/10

Characters: Definitely room for trimming. Being honest they could've just got rid of Gino, Dorethea, Monica, Nonette, Tamaki and the bridge bunnies without having that much of an impact on the main story. Apart from those characters all the key characters and to be more precise Lelouch and Kallen had some wonderful devolopment that really enhanced their characters. I'm sure C.C. and Suzaku has alot as well but since i don't really care about either of them that much its a moot point. Oh and Jermiah becoming spectacularly badass helped immensely. 8/10(but it becomes 10/10 for Lelouch, Kallen and Jermiah)

Plot: Exceptionally entertaining up to EP 20. As long as you were paying attention then nothing bar a few scenes should've came as to much of a surprise. Some near "jump the shark" moments notably the million Zeroes EP and some stupid Ashford EP's that barring the odd key scene could've been ommitted. Now onto the last 5 EP's. On the whole they weren't bad by any means just horribly average and forced. The last arc could've been redeemed if they stopped bringing people back from the dead, killed alot of key characters off(namely Ougi, Villeta, Gino, Xing Ke, Schenziel, Llyod and Cecile) or just extended the first half of EP 25 and finished the series with Lelouch taking over the world(okay so sue me i'm a Lelouch fanboy, i didn't want him to get a "bad" end). 9/10 for first 20 Eps. 5.5/10 for the last 5 Eps.

Overall: 9/10.

Since i've never given an anime series 10/10(and never will since nothing is perfect) this is a welcome edition to my favourites list that can feel proud in the company of titles such as Vision of Escaflowne, MSG, KNGE, Cowboy Bebop, Higurashi and a few others.

[Levy]

and finished the series with Lelouch taking over the world

Feel free to fanboy as much as you want, but are you seriously thinking that this would be a decent and logicall conclusion to everything that took place from the first episode of s1 till r2 ep.20..?

Nevermind me if you are just trying to be ironic, I guessed that this topic was for critical review only ^^;

[Train Samurai]

I like Code Geass. It was one of the most entertaining series I have ever seen for the past two years. It wasn't akin to the entertainment obtained reading a well-written and critically acclaimed novel, however. Most of it was a rush of adrenaline, or having finished watching a movie like Face/Off. When one would look back at it, one could not be able to deny its many flaws; however, one would also not be able to deny the fun that it produced. Geass is an entertaining show, there is no doubt about that.

However, it's not a very intuitive, or an intellectual show. The show itself appealed primarily to my emotions and not to my thinking. If I even tried thinking about the series intently, I immediately saw some inconsistencies with the plot (the FLEIA itself, for example), and some other things that were absurd, to say a word (like Jupiter, or the world of C). Nevertheless, it was a most entertaining show, and despite its pathos I was able to root for the relationship between CC and Lelouch (I guess the length of CC's suffering got to me).

Despite the lack of a proper conclusion, I was satisfied with the series as it entertained me. In my own criteria I would rank the series a 10/10. However, looking at its plot, its characters, its coherence, and ultimately, its believability I cannot but give the series any more than a 5.

There's my take, folks. This is Train Samurai; good day to all.

[Zenemis]

Damn fine, the ride was great.

Not the most intelligent, complex, nor realistic show, but I get plenty of realism in... real life. I believe it was a "rule of cool" show, and did a great job of doing so.

Citizen Kane had no mecha, 1/10, wouldn't watch again.

[posse02]

I gave it a 9/10

It felt rushed near the end of the second season (R2)
But the first season was just awesome

The second season felt like that the directors just wanted to surprise the watchers, because a lot of the stuff was like total "WTF? Where did that come from?"

[Droplet]

Damn fine, the ride was great.

Not the most intelligent, complex, nor realistic show, but I get plenty of realism in... real life. I believe it was a "rule of cool" show, and did a great job of doing so.

Citizen Kane had no mecha, 1/10, wouldn't watch again.

lol at given Citizen Kane a 1 out of 10, but I'm glad you were thoroughly entertained by CG R2. :)

[darthfury78]

When I went back and watched season one after watching R2, I had a realization that R2 was less of a sequel to the original Code Geass and more like a story based off of what they already created. Somewhere during the gap, the pacing and mind games that made Code Geass such a great series were lost. R2 was less about the characters and more about giving the fans what they want (a Lelouch that is not concretely dead or alive, a major battle with no major character deaths, a battle where no one comes out the winner, kissing scenes with all love interests but no victor)... basically, R2 gave fans everything they wanted and took away any plot elements that would anger fans of x, y or z. It was fanfare done in the best possible way, and enjoyable while watching (but significantly less enjoyable looking back and thinking about it.

We wound up with an ending that was like candy for babies to not get fans of any character angry. It's insulting that they couldn't write a concrete ending for the series without fearing they would anger someone. Most of the plot was completely left out if it didn't concern Lelouch (what is Geass? what is that Jupiter planet? who/what are the gods? what does Geass have to do with the beginning of the world?). The story was incredibly rushed... there was more time devoted to Shirley's death (3 episodes) as the Zero Requiem (which might explain why it was such a silly, half-thought out plan). The Zero Requiem was so hyped up that they made it impossible for themselves to create a Zero Requiem that lived up to what everyone had decided in their minds and opted for the worst possible route... making it obvious. But too many strings were left untied.... Lelouch, atleast a character painted with his intelligence, would no the peace he created is fragile at best; Kanon is still wandering around somewhere and knows the truth about everything, including what Schneizel's Geass is and could derail the whole Zero Requiem by sewing a cape and buying a mask; no political ending was given, just a shot of Ohgi shaking hands with Nunnally... is there even a Britannia anymore?... I could go on and on.

So 8/10, because the art direction, music, and all of those goodies. Each episode was like a jewel that kept you hanging on till the next week... but somehow at the end, you didn't wind up with a treasure. Just another slightly above average anime. Maybe it would have been impossible to end Code Geass in a way that gave justice to the entire series and was as good as watching the whole show. But this ending certainly wasn't it.... it seemed like Tanaguchi gave up on Code Geass a long time ago.


It seems that Tanaguchi wants us to forget that R2 ever happened because it was the "Not As Planned" version that should be considered as non-canon. He killed off Lelouch because he wanted to make sure that the series didn't continue from where R2 left off. When he had to make changes to his "Planned" season for R2 by removing a lot of details so that the younger viewers could be reintroduced to the storyline, it left the series as rushed and disjointed, in contrast to R1.

I get the impression that Tanaguchi wants to do a Director's Cut of R2 to the format that he wanted it to be. So he might get his chance at doing another Code Geass project that takes place after Turn 25 of R1. So we might see another Mai Hime set in an alternate universe. Or should we say the REAL Code Geass of R1 returning someday. One of the scenes that was suppose to happen was a possible relationship between Milly x Lelouch. There is no way that the staff could buildup Milly's interest for Lelouch, only to drop it as if it never happened unless it was dropped as part of the changes that was made to reintroduce the series.

To me, what we saw in the last 13 episodes was seasons 3 and 4 down the drain. I certainly hope that Tanaguchi get to do Code Geass again. But I feel that anything that he does from this point will take place right after season one because it appears that he HATES R2 with a passion.

[Droplet]

@darthfury

Yeah. Can't blame Taniguchi. It's like being able to finish a poem that's so passionate that you consider it your masterpiece. Then comes along a pseudopoet who takes three fourths of your poem then butchers the last part.

Then publishes it.

[KrimzonStriker]

Uh, look, I'm telling you all right now, I saw the original scenarios that Taniguichi was playing around with, they didn't look much better, overall I'd say the direction of R2 seemed the stronger one from my own comparisons. BTW, the ending from the directors own words is up to our imagination, so in my imagination he did not kill Lelouch, so its all good I think :p

[Dream_Traveller]

So, Darthfury, would you have preferred a random scenario in which Lelouch had all of the Ashforders on a freakin' SHIP with Tamaki as an errand boy? Oh, oh, or would you have preferred Jeremiah's sister being the leader of the new rebellion for no apparent reason?

Yeah. Shut up. There were never any plans for season three and four. End of.

[Droplet]

Uh, look, I'm telling you all right now, I saw the original scenarios that Taniguichi was playing around with, they didn't look much better, overall I'd say the direction of R2 seemed the stronger one from my own comparisons. BTW, the ending from the directors own words is up to our imagination, so in my imagination he did not kill Lelouch, so its all good I think :p

Amen. Also, could you share where you were able to look at the scenarios of the original R2? That'd be really awesome. ^^

[Shadowcatch]

9/10 for me
Amazing series. I felt bonded with the characters more than I have in any other anime. The story kept me guessing. Everytime I thought I knew Lelouch's next movee (except in one case) I was wrong, and I would feel incredibly stupid -_-. Ending was incredible for me, I cried for the first time in years. That anime pulled and twisted with my heart and emotions. And I loved every second of it. Plus it had a buttload of fan service. C.C. ^_^

[XenophunK]

9/10 for me
Amazing series. I felt bonded with the characters more than I have in any other anime. The story kept me guessing. Everytime I thought I knew Lelouch's next movee (except in one case) I was wrong, and I would feel incredibly stupid -_-. Ending was incredible for me, I cried for the first time in years. That anime pulled and twisted with my heart and emotions. And I loved every second of it. Plus it had a buttload of fan service. C.C. ^_^

"Plus it had a buttload of fan service."

BEFORE YOU EVEN QUOTE THIS SHIZZNIT WITH A REBUTTAL: I'm not saying that Shadowcatch is rating it 9/10 for the sole reason of fan service.

9/10. Fan service doesn't make a good anime. Plot does. Character development does. The ending made me cry manly tears.

Especially Nunnally. :sad:

[Cinocard]

I rate this 9/10, purely from an audience perspective. It gave out good feeling and enjoyment every time i watched it, and an urge of "i want more" each time i finished an episode.

I don't want to be critism, i don't want to get a lens and to look for bugs in animation and plot. I don't invest time to read the forums and join the debate about plots, and then find out: "ah, how imperfect it is". I don't spend minutes thinking about the show to give birth to tons of question i should not ever think of to feel let down with the next episode. If a show is that thought-provoking and thought addictive to me that i can't get it out of my mind, that alone deserve a 10 already, because my thought is of my own, no matter if the show would live up to those "logical thought" or not.

[Shadows_Esper]

9/10. Mainly because the ending is kinda vague. I hoped for more of a happy ending where everyone lives, C.C. gets her wish and we get to know her name. But this is good too Lelouch is dead/alive, C.C. is on a cart and Nunnally is the empress.

[wingdarkness]

Uh, look, I'm telling you all right now, I saw the original scenarios that Taniguichi was playing around with, they didn't look much better, overall I'd say the direction of R2 seemed the stronger one from my own comparisons. BTW, the ending from the directors own words is up to our imagination, so in my imagination he did not kill Lelouch, so its all good I think :p

C’mon now, that’s not a very strong argument (You don’t know how an intended scenario could have played out), but I guess the poked-tongue smilicon saves you…I’ve been so consumed with Gundam 00 I just totally blacked-out on this whole forum…At the end of the day though, it seems the forum has atleast settled on an above average score to high score....Those who looked at it in a literary sense scored it lower than those who viewed it as a fun popular show…That’s fair I guess, the fact I just forgot about and that I’m not missing it much tells my story, but that could just be 00 fluid all over the place…

[Kyo69]

Perfect 10. Plot was incredible. Each episode had an unexpected twist of events, the situation was changing constantly, nothing happened as I predicted. Many interesting characters with good development.

Ending of the first series was disappointing, but I’m glad they decided to end it with R2 with a perfect ending. Although I still don’t understand why Lulu didn’t staged his death, I feel like he had to die to bring closure. It was also very emotional with Nunnally crying and her being the 100’th emperor.

One of the best anime of this period.

[Witacume]

Animation quality:
I am not a person to know much about this.
I love the Character designs.
Gogo Kallen.
though they kinda were a bit off sometimes with her Breast size.
IE Captured arc.
there were some parts that were a bit fuzzy but not much to complain about.

9/10

VA:
A great Job by everyone in My opinion
Probably one of it's strong points.
Nunnally's Crying job in the end was one of the best i have ever heard.
I felt the emotion.

10/10

Script:
If Season one was 10
Then Season two was a let down.
Again this is just my opinion.
I was pretty cool with everything until episode 19.
Thought there were times i was like this doesn't make sense i was like this is fine.
But After GEassing God. it was a trainwreck,
Characters were undeveloped. I.E. C.C.
Characters were left to hang in the Sun I.E. Kallen
There were too many things left unanswer and too rushed for my taste.
Schneizel anyone?
4/10

COnclusion
Code Geass was one of my favorite animes of all time but in the end it failed.
Code geass will go along with other's of the same genre like Gundam Seed but will not go past it. The top pedestal is still NGE.
Will CG ever be in the same category.
Probably not but its ok. CG was a great anime but just not revolutionary in any stretch.

8.0
I would have given it 7.0 but I love Kallen too much. A character is worth at least grade up.

[Knight Of Zero]

I like season one better than r2 more violent and more comflict. I'll give r1 a 9/10 and r2 a 8/10.

[Dream_Traveller]

I like season one better than r2 more violent and more comflict. I'll give r1 a 9/10 and r2 a 8/10.

So, in order for R2 to have been better, would you have liked a scene straight out of Tomino's book in which characters were killed bloodily one after the other, and seeing civilians atomized by FLEIAs, then?

[Charred Knight]

So, in order for R2 to have been better, would you have liked a scene straight out of Tomino's book in which characters were killed bloodily one after the other, and seeing civilians atomized by FLEIAs, then?

Yes, it would give the idea of sacrifice across nicely, the whole ending was simply to rushed, and to happy given the actual story.

Personally, would it have killed to have Lelouch kill someone? Like Nunnaly, and Kallen? Get the idea that Lelouch was willing to do anything and do it to characters we like, and he loved.

With the way they did things no one cares since over the last two episodes no one died that we cared about, Lelouch is stated to have done horrible things, but it was done to people no one cares about.

[Dream_Traveller]

So you wanted Code Geass to become a form of repulsive and sickening torture to certain characters just to get 'OMG LELOUCH IS A BASTARD' across, and you wanted graphic deaths just to get 'SACRIFICE IS SUCH A VIRTUE' across 'nicely'.

You sicken me.


You like Gundam- you want graphic deaths, go watch V Gundam. Or anything before Turn Delta.

[Droplet]

Yes, it would give the idea of sacrifice across nicely, the whole ending was simply to rushed, and to happy given the actual story.

Personally, would it have killed to have Lelouch Draw and Quarter someone? Like Nunnaly, and Kallen? Get the idea that Lelouch was willing to do anything and do it to characters we like, and he loved.

With the way they did things no one cares since over the last two episodes no one died that we cared about, Lelouch is stated to have done horrible things, but it was done to people no one cares about.

Uh, seems like you prefer gratuitous violence and torture as your brand of fan service. No thanks. I suppose you could look for guro elsewhere.

[Charred Knight]

So you wanted Code Geass to become a form of repulsive and sickening torture to certain characters just to get 'OMG LELOUCH IS A BASTARD' across, and you wanted graphic deaths just to get 'SACRIFICE IS SUCH A VIRTUE' across 'nicely'.

You sicken me.

You honestly believed I want to see Nunnaly
1. Dragged on a hurdle (a wooden frame) to the place of execution. (This is one possible meaning of drawn.)
2. Hanged by the neck for a short time or until almost dead (hanged).
3. Disembowelled and emasculated and the genitalia and entrails burned before the condemned's eyes (this is another meaning of drawn—see the reference to the Oxford English Dictionary below).
4. Beheaded and the body divided into four parts (quartered).

No, I don't want to see that I was joking about the Drawn and Quartered crap. That would be disgusting, by the way I got the instrcutions for Drawn and Quartering from Wikipedia.

I just wanted to have Lelouch actually have to kill someone we liked. Nunnaly, Kallen, Toudoh, anyone of those would have worked, instead the thing we got which was Lelouch may or may not have died, Suzaku's life ruined, and a cheesy ending where OUGI becomes Prime minister, the man was incompetent when he was leading the terrorist cell, what makes you think he could restore Japan with its massive poverty.

It makes the ending come to easy, it just makes it look like nothing was sacrificed.

The whole thing was set up for a Kill' em all ending Tomino depressed style, and then over the last two episodes it just appears like they chicken out. Its like they made the ending to try to please everyone.

I like my endings to fit the series mood, Code Geass up to the last two episodes was a depressing series, I wanted a depressing ending.

It would be like if G Gundam had a serious ending

I would also like to point out that its

Turn A Gundam not Turn Delta Gundam

[Dream_Traveller]

Because Taniguchi isn't Tomino? Ever occurred to you?

And let's see: Kallen was destined to survive, Toudou had his fans, and him dying would be pointless, especially when he'd done next to nothing in R2, and why the hell would Lelouch kill his own sister? He was a bastard, but not a future executioner of the one person that he truly loved.

[Charred Knight]

Because Taniguchi isn't Tomino? Ever occurred to you?

And let's see: Kallen was destined to survive, Toudou had his fans, and him dying would be pointless, especially when he'd done next to nothing in R2, and why the hell would Lelouch kill his own sister? He was a bastard, but not a future executioner of the one person that he truly loved.

That's the problem no one that had fans died after Rolo.

Its not as bad as Mai Hime's ending (worse ending ever), but in terms of Mood Whiplash its close.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I see some of us still need to use buzzwords when it comes to describing this show.

[bladeofdarkness]

could lelouch be considered anything but a complete monster if he had killed characters of importence in the last arc
imagine if kaguya died becouse of him
would you be able to actually think of ihs actions as noble after that
i wouldnt
i started disliking him the moment he said he was willing to forsake even nunnaly for his plan
and i didnt start liking him again until ep 25 came around
if his action had led to a character i love dying during the final arc i would have never forgiven him

[Megacrash Gr]

Ah well Code Geass R2 was a great anime, a nice anime to remember.

[Captain Falcon]

Does Captain Falcon feel that Lelouch's voice seems forced and a bit unnatural?

[bladeofdarkness]

when does it sound like that

[Captain Falcon]

When he speaks as Zero.
Not the distortion.

[Sol Falling]

Euphy's death was in S1, and Shirley's death actually made me laugh. Therefore, it's more like one well done death in all of R2, and that belonged to the token yaoi-bait character whose existence turned out to be inconsequential anyway. It's quite a shame that the number could have been higher if Nunnally and the other characters that were in Tokyo settlement at the time of the Second Decisive Battle hadn't been Sunrisen from the dead. It made FLEIJA completely lose all value as a threatening tool too, since statistically it only killed 25% of the people it supposedly hit, and that was with its intro episode boost to awesome.

I laughed when Shirley died too. A laugh deriding both her and myself. A character whom I had loved and believed in with all my heart; this end she recieved, was all she amounted to? For me, at the time, it was the end of Code Geass.

I waited for Lelouch to betray her. To replace her with another truth, to forget the tragedies he'd caused. To move on and be happy. Then I could go back to that scene again, and watch it over, and over, and over.

But, Lelouch didn't. He died. Just as I, he had the will to destroy the world, and even himself. As he did so, I came to understand all he'd done after Shirley's death. I came to accept. Now that world is merely a memory.

It is strange, but I don't want to watch Code Geass. The final episode brought me closure. The journey is over. The rest of R2 now feels so shallow. Not even compelling as part of a narrative.

I'd recommend Code Geass be watched once. But that's all it should recieve. Lelouch was a stumbling idiot, who didn't truly understand what he wanted. He kept blinding himself with betrayal and vengeance, so that every death he caused was a tragedy. It was not until Turn 21 that Lelouch truly saw the world for what it was: then, and only then, did his actions take up any meaning.

Everything prior to that was pointless. Lelouch revealed himself in Turn 17: "Unfortunately, I have given up trusting people." From the time he murdered Clovis, and from the time of his mother's murder, this impulse had been what was driving him. This impulse had been what compelled him. It was a lesson he shouldn't have had to learn. Code Geass is a coming of age story told at great cost. Like a child, he believed he was dead. Like a child, he denied his existance. So he made others die, and he denied others' existance, until he could know better.

I'll disagree with most of you. Turns 21-25 were the best of the season. The best paced, and the best written. As Lelouch's story, the other material did it's job in developing him. The story itself, however, is an unusually cruel one. It is not something I would avert my eyes from. Yet it is something which, having known it, I would not celebrate.

[Droplet]

Yup. Shirley's death was too unfair for me. I'm not sure if I could blame Rolo and his obsessive brother complex because he never understood having friends or siblings until he met Lelouch and his friends. Nevertheless, what he did made me hate him.

However, when Lelouch massacred the geass order, that too was unfair, if not much more than what Rolo did. Those were unarmed men, women and children; some of them were in the same families. And to think that he killed Clovis for doing the same at Shinjuku Ghetto, Lelouch became such a hypocrite.

I even thought that V.V.'s death was in vain. That he was the good guy there. He fought because he was protecting not only the data obtained by the order so far, but also the people who lived there. It was in vain because everyone in the order died.

I'll disagree that Code Geass (both seasons) is worth watching only once. I found it to be more enjoyable the second time around. Because by the second time, you already know the characters better. When you know the characters you're watching better, you tend to relate to them better.

As for the ending, the most satisfying part was when Nunnally and Kallen realized Lelouch's intentions all along. It felt great. However, it didn't bring closure. I wanted to at least see Lelouch inside a coffin. But that didn't appear. So until now, I'm still not discounting the possibility that he is alive. Even if I wanted him to rest in peace.

[Tetsu Aero]

I quite enjoyed the show, but it had it's main faults in the pacing, which was too fast. The whole second season could be spread out on one more season, and it should have been spectacular. Thus we could have gotten to know a bit more characters, and even introduced the last 4 Knight of Rounds and ah poor Dorothea -_-

Anyhow, that was mainly the bad parts, everything else i luved :D

Animation and Sound have always been superior in Code Geass ^^

[DrBobr]

To tell the truth, I couldn’t understand the meaning of Lelouch deeds from turn 21 up to the eng. And only in the end all had come to its plays. It was the best part of all show and the best ending I ever saw (Will you excuse me NGE – my love? ^_^ ). It was bright, sharp and hard ending at the same time. I would be blasphemy to tell what this serial is teaching us something…. It is so big and deep that almost everyone can find things, which means something special to them. The only thing I can regret for, is that Code G, just as everithing in our life has its end (even if it is so beautiful). Goode buy Lelouch, we had a great time together! 10/10
P.S. Excuse me for my bad English.

[ZingFreelancer]

This was nice series to watch, but the last episode left me in pain and feeling that I wish to trow up.

In the end, the person who was steering the waggon on top of which C.C. was, he was not that big, right?

[HamoriKayumi~]

Animation Quality: 10
It was clear, but only when it is not in HQ.
I prefer it in HQ.

Voice Actors: 10
I love Lulu's, suzaku's and nunnally's voice. They sounded very nice.

Script: 10
I love the script. Even if someone(i'm new here so i don't remember who this person is) said that the China Arc is useless, but i don't think so.
I think every character and everything is there for some reason. It doesn't mean that you find it useless and meaningless and blablabla.....(sorry if i offended anyone here)

Editing: 10
Because mostly i think that it was awesome. However, there were a few parts where i think i was a little bragging. Room for improvement.

I gave it a perfect 10 as it was really good.
It has been the best anime i've watched.

[rose-wisteria]

Despite the rush at the end and the potential waste in the Charles/Marianne arc, I gave this a 9/10 because as much as a lot of us like to complain about how little character development aside from Lelouch and the main 5 or so, I thought the characters deserved a 10/10. Why? Because I am one of those people who have a hard time remembering minor characters' names in almost every anime. But for Code Geass, I remember every single characters' name just by the sight of their character designs. That is something I like every anime to do- memorable characters and Code Geass did it.

[Solidus1321]

It was good all the way to the very end...well atleast till the black knights turned on lelouch and he took over by himself, I personaly would have loved it to be lelouch took over as zero and with the black knights. Would have made a better ending imo. This ending makes me want to see more sense it just left me feeling lost and depressed. But anyways it didn't kill it for me, one of the big changes I would have liked would to have shirley not in the plot at all, think she sould have been showen the other in the school and thats about it. So I wouldn't have to go through that random death like that, she was one of my favriots and sucked her going out like that...But i guess you needed it for lelouch to get pissed off and go after V.V.

[Charred Knight]

It was good all the way to the very end...well atleast till the black knights turned on lelouch and he took over by himself, I personaly would have loved it to be lelouch took over as zero and with the black knights. Would have made a better ending imo. This ending makes me want to see more sense it just left me feeling lost and depressed. But anyways it didn't kill it for me, one of the big changes I would have liked would to have shirley not in the plot at all, think she sould have been showen the other in the school and thats about it. So I wouldn't have to go through that random death like that, she was one of my favriots and sucked her going out like that...But i guess you needed it for lelouch to get pissed off and go after V.V.

The ending was excellent

Lelouch having commited heinous crimes using geass, using innocent people, killing good people like Dalton, decides that the only way to atone for those crimes is to sacrifice his tommorow for the sake of everyone's elses, to make up for all those people he killed, and all those lives he ruined.

If Lelouch lived than he would be no better than his Father, a man who wants other people to sacrifice for his dreams but refuses to sacrifice himself.

Reading Oukochi's interview really gets a great view on Lelouch.

[Shadowcatch]

The ending was excellent

Lelouch having commited heinous crimes using geass, using innocent people, killing good people like Dalton, decides that the only way to atone for those crimes is to sacrifice his tommorow for the sake of everyone's elses, to make up for all those people he killed, and all those lives he ruined.

If Lelouch lived than he would be no better than his Father, a man who wants other people to sacrifice for his dreams but refuses to sacrifice himself.

Reading Oukochi's interview really gets a great view on Lelouch.

It was a very sad and touchign ending, but I disagree that it had to end that way. I mean........ What about Lelouch's love life!? he can't be in a relationship if he's dead! LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

[Witacume]

It was a very sad and touchign ending, but I disagree that it had to end that way. I mean........ What about Lelouch's love life!? he can't be in a relationship if he's dead! LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

he has Shirley in the grave to be with lol.
Kallen can come too once she dies.
CC gets left out since she still is immortal lol.

[Shadowcatch]

he has Shirley in the grave to be with lol.
Kallen can come too once she dies.
CC gets left out since she still is immortal lol.

NUUUUUUUUUUUU! But C.C. xx Lelouch is ma favorite pairing. What if the ending had instead consisted of Lelouch accidentally destroying everyone in the world except him and C.C. with FLEAJI (However you spell it)? I would so give a 10/10 for that shit.

[Rising Dragon]

Even with her newfound outlook on life and the future, I doubt C.C. plans on staying immortal forever. Eventually, she'll want to rest, and will give the power of kings to a new person, and eventually pass her Code on to him or her. This time, though, she probably could die with a smile on her face.

[Solidus1321]

The ending was excellent

Lelouch having commited heinous crimes using geass, using innocent people, killing good people like Dalton, decides that the only way to atone for those crimes is to sacrifice his tommorow for the sake of everyone's elses, to make up for all those people he killed, and all those lives he ruined.

If Lelouch lived than he would be no better than his Father, a man who wants other people to sacrifice for his dreams but refuses to sacrifice himself.

Reading Oukochi's interview really gets a great view on Lelouch.

Well everyone has diffrent views on the ending, like for me I would have liked it if lelouch was still alive, or like the idea is he has the code and is immortal.

I just would have liked it better if he wasn't enemys with everyone he worked with and his sister of all people. He still could have died to make up for it, just think it would have been better for me if he took over with the help of the black knights. Maybe he would have died in battle or something like that but still manage to take over..Now i would have gone a lot better with that kind of ending

[Charred Knight]

Well everyone has diffrent views on the ending, like for me I would have liked it if lelouch was still alive, or like the idea is he has the code and is immortal.

I just would have liked it better if he wasn't enemys with everyone he worked with and his sister of all people. He still could have died to make up for it, just think it would have been better for me if he took over with the help of the black knights. Maybe he would have died in battle or something like that but still manage to take over..Now i would have gone a lot better with that kind of ending

But that's not the kind of series they where going for.

The Chess references wouldn't fit that kind of story, the pawns (Black Knights) are expendable, Lelouch could only die when the plan was over.

Simply put Lelouch isn't Roy Mustang who uses chess references but also makes it clear that none of the pieces are expendable, he won't use a move that puts a piece in great danger unless he has too, and he usually puts himself in danger in those sequences as well.

[Droplet]

Well everyone has diffrent views on the ending, like for me I would have liked it if lelouch was still alive, or like the idea is he has the code and is immortal.

I just would have liked it better if he wasn't enemys with everyone he worked with and his sister of all people. He still could have died to make up for it, just think it would have been better for me if he took over with the help of the black knights. Maybe he would have died in battle or something like that but still manage to take over..Now i would have gone a lot better with that kind of ending

Happy endings are always lovely and are always welcome to me them when they come. But for Code Geass, the tragic ending really fits its theme whereas a happy ending wouldn't have made as well of an impact, at least for me. ^^

[Icehawk]

My own personal take on the ending is that Lelouch's penance for his crimes was not his death, he knew that would be too easy of a way out, but he still put on a show of it via the "Zero Requiem" because he knew that would work well enough in the eyes of the masses. In actuallity though he survived by taking over CC's role as an Immortal before the events of the Zero Requiem and so he is now forced to endure eternity like CC did. CC's wish to be able to die is now fulfilled but she will likely stay by Lelouch's side in peace for the rest of her days along with Orange and Anya.

[Charred Knight]

Happy endings are always lovely and are always welcome to me them when they come. But for Code Geass, the tragic ending really fits its theme whereas a happy ending wouldn't have made as well of an impact, at least for me. ^^

I prefer endings that stay true to the series as a whole. If a series is happy, than the ending should be happy, if a series is depressing than the ending should be depressing.

Code Geass is a depressing series, an ending where Lelouch gets off scott free would be horrible, Lelouch's death is atonement for all the people he killed, and whose lives where ruined by geass, his not supposed to be Jesus Christ, his a heavily flawed person who wants to do good, but does it in such a horrible way.

My own personal take on the ending is that Lelouch's penance for his crimes was not his death, he knew that would be too easy of a way out, but he still put on a show of it via the "Zero Requiem" because he knew that would work well enough in the eyes of the masses. In actuallity though he survived by taking over CC's role as an Immortal before the events of the Zero Requiem and so he is now forced to endure eternity like CC did. CC's wish to be able to die is now fulfilled but she will likely stay by Lelouch's side in peace for the rest of her days along with Orange and Anya.

The interview from Oukochi states that Lelouch wanted to sacrifice his tomorrow for the sake of everyone else's tomorrow. Also C.C having learned to be human again can now live her life to the fullest without being alone anymore. In other words Lelouch was expecting to die.

If you rewatch the episode, its clear that both Lelouch, and C.C are expecting Lelouch to die, C.C is crying, while Lelouch has his life flash before his eyes, the only way Lelouch lived was if Charles gave him the code, and the question is why would he.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

It was a very sad and touchign ending, but I disagree that it had to end that way. I mean........ What about Lelouch's love life!? he can't be in a relationship if he's dead! LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

Not in Code Geass.

I'll say it again: Though it was unexpected, I think that Lelouch's death was really the only possible ending that would fit the series. If he got away with all the bad things he did unopposed, it would be ridiculous.

[Rising Dragon]

Not in Code Geass.

I'll say it again: Though it was unexpected, I think that Lelouch's death was really the only possible ending that would fit the series. If he got away with all the bad things he did unopposed, it would be ridiculous.

That, and people would be able to get away with terrible MC Hammer jokes, in which Lelouch would say that you "Can't touch this."

[dragon4dudes]

Outstanding animation quality, amazing script, voice acting just superb, nice plot line. What's not to love? Well I was laughing at the "Yes, my lord," "Yes Your highness" and other English lines and how they were pronounced but otherwise 10

[Charred Knight]

Not in Code Geass.

I'll say it again: Though it was unexpected, I think that Lelouch's death was really the only possible ending that would fit the series. If he got away with all the bad things he did unopposed, it would be ridiculous.

I just think people want to see Lelouch get away with things, presumably because his the main character and they have gotten emotionally invested in him.

[Solidus1321]

I just think people want to see Lelouch get away with things, presumably because his the main character and they have gotten emotionally invested in him.

Imo lelouch was code geass, I would have loved to see him still live, but seeing how the ending was going I would rather him be dead then him as the evil dude that everyone hated.

Still if there was more to come of Code geass, It really doesn't seem like it would go to well without lelouch. I will still go with the thought of him comeing back immortal after he dies, don't care what Anyone else says.

[Charred Knight]

Imo lelouch was code geass, I would have loved to see him still live, but seeing how the ending was going I would rather him be dead then him as the evil dude that everyone hated.

Still if there was more to come of Code geass, It really doesn't seem like it would go to well without lelouch. I will still go with the thought of him comeing back immortal after he dies, don't care what Anyone else says.

Than what did Lelouch sacrifice? The interview stated that Lelouch did what he did to atone for the sins he commited. If Lelouch survived than he got away scott free while Suzaku and Nunnaly are forced to support the world.

If Lelouch survived than his a massive asshole.

If Code Geass sucks so much that the entire series is only good if one character is around than Code Geass doesn't deserve a sequel. A Code Geass sequel starring Lelouch would be Gundam Seed Destiny all over again, with Lelouch taking the place of both Kira and Lacus.

[Shadowcatch]

Not in Code Geass.

I'll say it again: Though it was unexpected, I think that Lelouch's death was really the only possible ending that would fit the series. If he got away with all the bad things he did unopposed, it would be ridiculous.

hehe yeah I know, just jokin there. His death was the only way out. We all know that. If he didn't die the entire Zero Requiem would lose its meaning.

[Icehawk]

The interview from Oukochi states that Lelouch wanted to sacrifice his tomorrow for the sake of everyone else's tomorrow. Also C.C having learned to be human again can now live her life to the fullest without being alone anymore. In other words Lelouch was expecting to die.

If you rewatch the episode, its clear that both Lelouch, and C.C are expecting Lelouch to die, C.C is crying, while Lelouch has his life flash before his eyes, the only way Lelouch lived was if Charles gave him the code, and the question is why would he.


I have not read that interview, but if its worded that way, it still fits fine with my own view of the ending. "Sacrificing" ones tomorrow does not necessarily have to equal *literally* sacrificing ones life. While CC may no longer be as consumed with the desire to die, I doubt she wanted to just continue as things were. I just see it as more logical and fitting for all if Lelouch takes up the role as the cursed imortal, forced into solitude and CC is now free having given the immortality to Lelouch just as VV gave it to Charles.

[Droplet]

Why can't you guys think of a reason for Charles to give Lelouch the code? For one, it could've been revenge. Immortality is a bane, not a blessing. It's not an 'easy way out'. It's getting locked in and not being able to go out. What's so fun about immortality after the world ends? It'd suck to be just floating in space waiting to be picked up by an alien space ship. The possibilities are either they float in space for eternity, or something that involves being rescued by aliens.

I love the ending and would like to Lelouch's life end right then and there. But after considering whatever Charles did by rocketing towards Lelouch and holding his neck by his hand that had the Code, all I can think of is that he wanted to pass the code.

But here's the kicker: It's also possible that Lelouch didn't allow Charles to transfer his immortality when he said "Begone!".

[Icehawk]

Why are you assuming it has to be Charles that gives it to him? VV passed his immortality to Charles, CC passes hers to Lelouch, that simple.

What I gathered from Code Geass is that, in order to fulfill the Geass contract with an immortal, you must be able to properly gain mastery of the Geass power they give you and also be able to grant whatever wish the immortal included as part of the contract. If you can do both these things, the immortal can be set free and pass their immortality onto you. Once the immortality is passed onto you, the Geass they gave you is taken away but you are now able to grant Geass to other people and are immune to its effects.

[PatriciaLamperouge]

Anaimation: 9.5. Although the proportion of the ppl r weird (they're 2 tall, juz as espected w/ Clamp as the chara designer)but since I luv their face so much (also as expected w/ Clamp as the chara designer^.^), so it covered. I think it's really a good idea Clamp teamed up w/ other, which Clamp design the chara & the other write the story, since I luv Clamp's drawings but I don't really like their story. Well, so I think Code Geass is a perfect combination^^

Voice acting: 9.5. The voice actor really suits the chara. But I don't really like Llyod's voice-_-

Scripting:9.8. This is the best anime storyline among all the anime I've been watched so far. It's really unpredictable, & the story makes every occasions seems inevitable, the plot seems 2 be going naturally. & it has various genres, so sometimes it made me laugh, sometimes it made me cry, sometimes it made me anxious, & various other feelings. I luv anime tht can play w/ my feelings :3 I juz can't give it a 10 cz sometimes I think Lelouch's act is a bit out of his original motivation...But I really admire Lelouch's strategy, he's juz so....BRILLIANT.

Editing: 10. I didn't c any problem:)

Overall, I must say, this is the BEST anime among ALL the anime I've seen so far!!!! I really miss this anime now when I watch another anime nowT_T

[PatriciaLamperouge]

Why can't you guys think of a reason for Charles to give Lelouch the code? For one, it could've been revenge. Immortality is a bane, not a blessing. It's not an 'easy way out'. It's getting locked in and not being able to go out. What's so fun about immortality after the world ends? It'd suck to be just floating in space waiting to be picked up by an alien space ship. The possibilities are either they float in space for eternity, or something that involves being rescued by aliens.

I love the ending and would like to Lelouch's life end right then and there. But after considering whatever Charles did by rocketing towards Lelouch and holding his neck by his hand that had the Code, all I can think of is that he wanted to pass the code.

But here's the kicker: It's also possible that Lelouch didn't allow Charles to transfer his immortality when he said "Begone!".

I also think tht immortality is not good, so if in the end Lelouch is still alive bcoz he has bcome immortal, I think that IS the SAD ending. Like what C.C said b4, "life bcome precious bcoz it has an end." I think the ending is better juz as wht I thought it is, tht Lelouch is DEAD, sacrificing himself 2 reach his goal: make a peaceful world 4 Nunnaly & his frenz. Although I cry in the end, but I think it is the best ending. Since although Lelouch's goal is actually 'nice' but in the way 2 reach it he has caused many innocent ppl died, so I think he also deserves punishment.

But truly it is weird the way C.C talk in the end, it seems like she's talking 2 Lelouch.:confused: I think Sunrise make the ending 'unclear' like that 2 make us keep guessing & choose our most fav ending by each of ourselves. Well, I've choose mine...But I do hope Sunrise will tell us someday how the ending actually is.:eyebrow: (though I doubt they will tell us)

[Droplet]

I also think tht immortality is not good, so if in the end Lelouch is still alive bcoz he has bcome immortal, I think that IS the SAD ending. Like what C.C said b4, "life bcome precious bcoz it has an end." I think the ending is better juz as wht I thought it is, tht Lelouch is DEAD, sacrificing himself 2 reach his goal: make a peaceful world 4 Nunnaly & his frenz. Although I cry in the end, but I think it is the best ending. Since although Lelouch's goal is actually 'nice' but in the way 2 reach it he has caused many innocent ppl died, so I think he also deserves punishment.

But truly it is weird the way C.C talk in the end, it seems like she's talking 2 Lelouch.:confused: I think Sunrise make the ending 'unclear' like that 2 make us keep guessing & choose our most fav ending by each of ourselves. Well, I've choose mine...But I do hope Sunrise will tell us someday how the ending actually is.:eyebrow: (though I doubt they will tell us)

Sunrise did tell us an ending. But it came in the most anticlimatic (i.e. worst) way possible: Through Okuchi's words in a magazine. :upset:

What was so hard about animating a funeral scene? Where all the other characters weep for Lelouch, especially Kallen and Nunnally.

Personally, I loved the ending but I was a tad disappointed that they didn't put the icing on the cake. They wanted a sad ending right? Why didn't they make it sad all the way instead of that ambiguous epilogue.

They missed a critical chance to make me bawl completely. For shame Sunrise.

IMO, something like this (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4609371/1/For_Two) + a funeral scene would make Code Geass' ending one of the most perfect endings that was ever made.

[bladeofdarkness]

Sunrise did tell us an ending. But it came in the most anticlimatic (i.e. worst) way possible: Through Okuchi's words in a magazine. :upset:

What was so hard about animating a funeral scene? Where all the other characters weep for Lelouch, especially Kallen and Nunnally.

Personally, I loved the ending but I was a tad disappointed that they didn't put the icing on the cake. They wanted a sad ending right? Why didn't they make it sad all the way instead of that ambiguous epilogue.

They missed a critical chance to make me bawl completely. For shame Sunrise.

IMO, something like this (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4609371/1/For_Two) + a funeral scene would make Code Geass' ending one of the most perfect endings that was ever made.

how do you have that when the guy is (intentionly) know to be the greatest monster in history

[Droplet]

how do you have that when the guy is (intentionly) know to be the greatest monster in history

He may have been intentionally a horrible person that killed multitudes of innocents but there are no double standards when it comes to whom should be allowed a funeral.

The fact that no one knows the truth would make it more tragic, where the world is rejoicing during his funeral for the demon has been slain and now being offered for all the deaths that happened during his wake.

[Charred Knight]

I have not read that interview, but if its worded that way, it still fits fine with my own view of the ending. "Sacrificing" ones tomorrow does not necessarily have to equal *literally* sacrificing ones life. While CC may no longer be as consumed with the desire to die, I doubt she wanted to just continue as things were. I just see it as more logical and fitting for all if Lelouch takes up the role as the cursed imortal, forced into solitude and CC is now free having given the immortality to Lelouch just as VV gave it to Charles.

Sacrificing one's tomorrow in this case means sacrificing ones life. So that people could have a tomorrow Lelouch sacrificed his tomorrow which means for people to live (stop the war without anyone getting angry and commiting genocide), Lelouch had to die to accomplish that.

Lelouch wanted to die so that he could atone for killing, and ruining people's lives with geass. The interview makes that perfectly clear

Why are you assuming it has to be Charles that gives it to him? VV passed his immortality to Charles, CC passes hers to Lelouch, that simple.

What I gathered from Code Geass is that, in order to fulfill the Geass contract with an immortal, you must be able to properly gain mastery of the Geass power they give you and also be able to grant whatever wish the immortal included as part of the contract. If you can do both these things, the immortal can be set free and pass their immortality onto you. Once the immortality is passed onto you, the Geass they gave you is taken away but you are now able to grant Geass to other people and are immune to its effects.

It's made perfectly clear that Lelouch was expecting to die, and C.C was expecting him to die. Lelouch's life flashed before his eyes, and C.C was crying because she cared about Lelouch. If C.C had given him immortality C.C wouldn't be crying, and Lelouch wouldn't have his life flash before his eyes.

The only person who could have given Lelouch the code is Charles.
Why can't you guys think of a reason for Charles to give Lelouch the code? For one, it could've been revenge. Immortality is a bane, not a blessing. It's not an 'easy way out'. It's getting locked in and not being able to go out. What's so fun about immortality after the world ends? It'd suck to be just floating in space waiting to be picked up by an alien space ship. The possibilities are either they float in space for eternity, or something that involves being rescued by aliens.

I love the ending and would like to Lelouch's life end right then and there. But after considering whatever Charles did by rocketing towards Lelouch and holding his neck by his hand that had the Code, all I can think of is that he wanted to pass the code.

But here's the kicker: It's also possible that Lelouch didn't allow Charles to transfer his immortality when he said "Begone!".

The problem is that no one considers that a bane, they want Charles to give Lelouch his code so Lelouch can survive and get away scot free and be with C.C.

I have yet to see a single person give me one artistic reason for Lelouch being alive, its all shipping reasons.

[Icehawk]

Sacrificing one's tomorrow in this case means sacrificing ones life. So that people could have a tomorrow Lelouch sacrificed his tomorrow which means for people to live (stop the war without anyone getting angry and commiting genocide), Lelouch had to die to accomplish that.

Lelouch wanted to die so that he could atone for killing, and ruining people's lives with geass. The interview makes that perfectly clear

To the rest of the world and all who would care, he IS dead. Lelouch would be escaping his contract with CC by dying. Simply dying in my view, is far too easy an escape for Lelouch.

It's made perfectly clear that Lelouch was expecting to die, and C.C was expecting him to die. Lelouch's life flashed before his eyes, and C.C was crying because she cared about Lelouch. If C.C had given him immortality C.C wouldn't be crying, and Lelouch wouldn't have his life flash before his eyes.

In the anime it is most certainly NOT made "perfectly clear" that he is dead, CC crying means jack all when you factor in every angle to this, for example, she is crying for Lelouch because she knows the burden he is going to have to go through as a cursed immortal just as she had to did while she gets to be free. This also counts for the "flashbacks" as well, he is giving up everything he attained in his hard fought and incredible life up to that point. The fact he is willing to publically sacrifice himself and force himself into isolation as WELL as have to live forever is FAR more tragic then simply dying.

The only person who could have given Lelouch the code is Charles.

Again, where the fuck are you getting this idea from?? I challenge you to find even one single passage of text from an episode which backs up this absurd and thus far completely unsupported assertion.

The problem is that no one considers that a bane, they want Charles to give Lelouch his code so Lelouch can survive and get away scot free and be with C.C.

Provide evidence that ONLY Charles can grant immortality. Everything we have seen shows that immortals themselves pass on the immortality when their contract is fullfilled. The immortal nun caretaker that helped CC in the middle ages passed it on to her, VV passed his onto Charles, CC thus can in all likelyhood pass hers onto Lelouch.

I have yet to see a single person give me one artistic reason for Lelouch being alive, its all shipping reasons.

If you cannot appreciate the magnitude of ("artistic" if you want to call it), tragedy of a person who is giving up everything they have gained and fought for in order to suffer a, in this case, *litteral* ETERNITY of relative solitude and isolation speaks volumes of the shallowness of your views. CC will only be with him untill she dies a natural death or is killed in some way and I think that is perfectly acceptable given that despite the attrocities he committed, he also did alot of good as well and he will have to suffer through her aging and dying and never being able to speak with any of his remaining friends or family ever again. Lelouch could also eventually have to suffer through the emotional torcher of providing a contract and granting a Geass onto some other young idealistic or disturbed fool and meeting failure like CC did with Mao.

[Sol Falling]

To the rest of the world and all who would care, he IS dead. Lelouch would be escaping his contract with CC by dying. Simply dying in my view, is far too easy an escape for Lelouch.



In the anime it is most certainly NOT made "perfectly clear" that he is dead, CC crying means jack all when you factor in every angle to this, for example, she is crying for Lelouch because she knows the burden he is going to have to go through as a cursed immortal just as she had to did while she gets to be free. This also counts for the "flashbacks" as well, he is giving up everything he attained in his hard fought and incredible life up to that point. The fact he is willing to publically sacrifice himself and force himself into isolation as WELL as have to live forever is FAR more tragic then simply dying.



Again, where the fuck are you getting this idea from?? I challenge you to find even one single passage of text from an episode which backs up this absurd and thus far completely unsupported assertion.



Provide evidence that ONLY Charles can grant immortality. Everything we have seen shows that immortals themselves pass on the immortality when their contract is fullfilled. The immortal nun caretaker that helped CC in the middle ages passed it on to her, VV passed his onto Charles, CC thus can in all likelyhood pass hers onto Lelouch.



If you cannot appreciate the magnitude of ("artistic" if you want to call it), tragedy of a person who is giving up everything they have gained and fought for in order to suffer a, in this case, *litteral* ETERNITY of relative solitude and isolation speaks volumes of the shallowness of your views. CC will only be with him untill she dies a natural death or is killed in some way and I think that is perfectly acceptable given that despite the attrocities he committed, he also did alot of good as well and he will have to suffer through her aging and dying and never being able to speak with any of his remaining friends or family ever again. Lelouch could also eventually have to suffer through the emotional torcher of providing a contract and granting a Geass onto some other young idealistic or disturbed fool and meeting failure like CC did with Mao.

C.C. can't have given Lelouch her Code because she'd have lost her memories. This is pretty much explicitly stated within the show with V.V. losing his memories when he loses his Code, C.C. losing her memories when her Code is sealed, and C.C. regaining her memories when her Code is unsealed. There's your proof.

As for Lelouch being immortal being more tragic, you're right. You know what else it'd be? Useless! See, Lelouch only actively pursued a plan that was against his self-interests because it would accomplish something: that is, world peace. Without such an equivalent for living on in atonement, why the hell would he do it? First of all, Lelouch already achieved world peace. Secondly, he'd already stopped all the diabolical conspiracies to 'force' the world to some otherwise good end: 'forced truth', 'forced peace'. He even removed all the social institutions and hierarchies which allowed unsavory people use force for bad ends (aristocracy, colonialism, capitalistic monopoly, dictatorship, etc.). Third, any further attempts by Lelouch to perpetuate the world he created could be seen as him merely enforcing his will upon the world, making him no better than his father or brother. All in all, the only way you theory could work here is if Lelouch was a masochist like Suzaku, and although those two have switched places for many things, I'm pretty sure that isn't one of them.

[ZeroSama]

C.C. can't have given Lelouch her Code because she'd have lost her memories. This is pretty much explicitly stated within the show with V.V. losing his memories when he loses his Code, C.C. losing her memories when her Code is sealed, and C.C. regaining her memories when her Code is unsealed. There's your proof.



What about the nun then? She gave C.C. a geass for the simple purpose of passing on her Code to C.C. and ending her life. Which she did. Now look at the scene in which C.C. is sprawled against the alter with blood everywhere and contrast that to the nun who is lying peacefully on ther ground with her hands clasped as if praying.

C.C. cannot have put her in this position because:

1.Theirs no trail of blood between the two of them.
2.It fucking illogical for C.C. who is clearly in agony to walk to the nuns body, put her into that postion and crawl back and slump against the altar again.

In the end the only reason i can think of that the nun was in such a peaceful state is because she retained her memories and died peacefully since she had fulfilled her wish which was to lose immortality and be given the opportunity to die. If this wasn't true and she had lost all her memories since she gained geass/code/whatever she would at the very least be very troubled at how she got there, why their was a young girl in front of her covered in blood and why she had blood on her own hands. Not the sort of things conducive to a peaceful death.


This pretty much punches a hole in the theory that when you lose your memories when you lose your code.

Either that or Taniguchi and Okuchi messed up their consistency.

[Sol Falling]

The nun's death is analogous to V.V.'s. Both were mortally wounded prior to their Code transfer, and thus died in approximately the same position as they were in before the transfer. None of the confusion you require to demonstrate the Nun had lost her memories was present at V.V.'s death either.

[nick2951]

8/10 for me since the ending was a little ambiguous

I have the opinion that if Lelouch is still alive and immortal, which I have a hope that he is, its because he developed his own code through his duel Geass.

The series still has not fully explained the origens of the geass and the codes; in fact, we were never really shown how V.V. got his.

[dragon4dudes]

But truly it is weird the way C.C talk in the end, it seems like she's talking 2 Lelouch.:confused: I think Sunrise make the ending 'unclear' like that 2 make us keep guessing & choose our most fav ending by each of ourselves. Well, I've choose mine...But I do hope Sunrise will tell us someday how the ending actually is.:eyebrow: (though I doubt they will tell us)

Assuming that Lelouch really is dead, then he could be in a state similar to Marianne's state of mind. Marianne was physically dead but her spirit was alive in Anya's body. It could be similar...

Why are you assuming it has to be Charles that gives it to him? VV passed his immortality to Charles, CC passes hers to Lelouch, that simple.

What I gathered from Code Geass is that, in order to fulfill the Geass contract with an immortal, you must be able to properly gain mastery of the Geass power they give you and also be able to grant whatever wish the immortal included as part of the contract. If you can do both these things, the immortal can be set free and pass their immortality onto you. Once the immortality is passed onto you, the Geass they gave you is taken away but you are now able to grant Geass to other people and are immune to its effects.

We are never really told what happens to a code-holder (for a lack of better terms) after he/she gives away his/her code. I want to assume, based on what happened to the nun, that the code-holder dies if he/she has lived beyond the life span of an average human. This is assuming that the nun has lived a substantial amount of years.

[CapoExecutor]

Assuming that Lelouch really is dead, then he could be in a state similar to Marianne's state of mind. Marianne was physically dead but her spirit was alive in Anya's body. It could be similar...



We are never really told what happens to a code-holder (for a lack of better terms) after he/she gives away his/her code. I want to assume, based on what happened to the nun, that the code-holder dies if he/she has lived beyond the life span of an average human. This is assuming that the nun has lived a substantial amount of years.

Lelouch seemed to be confirmed dead. In volume 42 of the Japanese magazine 'Continue,' writer Ichiro Okouchi confirmed the finality of his death, which as he explains, is the price Lelouch had to pay for creating his better world.

I think the death process that Code-holders endure from fatal encounters activate when the Code leaves them. The Code only halts death at the bud until it's removed.

[Shadowcatch]

Lelouch seemed to be confirmed dead. In volume 42 of the Japanese magazine 'Continue,' writer Ichiro Okouchi confirmed the finality of his death, which as he explains, is the price Lelouch had to pay for creating his better world.

I think the death process that Code-holders endure from fatal encounters activate when the Code leaves them. The Code only halts death at the bud until it's removed.

Really? A link to that article would be splendid. I could finally put my mind at ease =)

[Miraploy]

So if Lelouch is dead, then why did CC refute her earlier statement about Geass' lonliness?

[Shadowcatch]

So if Lelouch is dead, then why did CC refute her earlier statement about Geass' lonliness?

Eh, there are a number of possibility. One might be commenting on the fact that Geass brings loneliness, yet it was able to bring the world together in peace and prosperity. C.C. could be talking about finally finding a man she loved by chance through the Geass. Or she could be rambling on to a confused guy who picked her up. Knowing her character I wouldn't be that surprised if that was the case.

[Airi]

Lelouch seemed to be confirmed dead. In volume 42 of the Japanese magazine 'Continue,' writer Ichiro Okouchi confirmed the finality of his death, which as he explains, is the price Lelouch had to pay for creating his better world.



Really???:(

So he is dead... The "debate" is over.

[lua thien]

It would be nice to get a scan of the magazine rather than read the wikipedia entry of Lelouch.

Another thing was just added after that sentence (it may get deleted some time later):

Later in volume 44 of the Japanese magazine Continue, director Goro Taniguchi confirmed that Lelouch had attained CODE GEASS


The only reasonable confirmation is to get the magazine and look it up.

[Nogitsune]

Huh.
I'll just ignore the statement about Lelouch being dead (if it's true).
I mean, what did they make that ambiguous ending for if they just ruin it so soon after?

[dragon4dudes]

it still is possible that Lelouch "lives" in the body of another like how Marianne "lived" in Anya's body... Well, CC was able to communicate to Marianne in because of such.
Still I do agree that Lelouch's death was the price to pay for using the Geass on others.

[Rising Dragon]

it still is possible that Lelouch "lives" in the body of another like how Marianne "lived" in Anya's body... Well, CC was able to communicate to Marianne in because of such.

No its not. >___> Marianne was able to because that is the specific effect of her Geass, transferring her own mind into another person. Lelouch's Geass was the power of absolute obedience, and wouldn't work that way.

[dragon4dudes]

nvm... wait, really, i didn't know that, must have stopped paying attention at that moment when Marianne's power was introduced...

[Charred Knight]

So if Lelouch is dead, then why did CC refute her earlier statement about Geass' lonliness?

Lelouch showed her that people can still care about her

[Genius-kun]

too easy:D 10/10
code geass is a perfect anime, i tell everyone who asks me what anime to watch to watch it
perfect balance of love, hate and battles
its like a non emo future version of death note

[Charred Knight]

too easy:D 10/10
code geass is a perfect anime, i tell everyone who asks me what anime to watch to watch it
perfect balance of love, hate and battles
its like a non emo future version of death note

Not really, Lelouch was no where as insane as Light, as bad as Lelouch was he at least had his heart in the right place, Light was an nutcase who believed he was a god.

[Nogitsune]

Hm... well, Light started out with good intentions, too.
The difference is that Lelouch didn't became a total lunatic the moment he first used his Geass.

Hm. Maybe Light was just to sheltered.
Too idealistic. Too superficial.

[bladeofdarkness]

by the last arc lelouch is light
he sets out to make the world a better place using what ever means HE believes are the right ones without caring what anyone else thinks
the only thing that makes them different is that lelouch did not want to rule said new world but rather died in order to make it happen

[Nogitsune]

by the last arc lelouch is light

I disagree.
Everyone uses the means they believe are right.
That's simply human and doesn't make Lelouch Kira.
If anything, they were more similar in the first season, when Lelouch was still consumed by hatred.

[dragon4dudes]

I disagree.
Everyone uses the means they believe are right.
That's simply human and doesn't make Lelouch Kira.
If anything, they were more similar in the first season, when Lelouch was still consumed by hatred.

its not really consumed by hatred but more ignorant of the ways of the world. sure he did have hatred, but I don't think he was consumed by it. and yea, Lelouch believing he is right does not mean he is Kira. While he was most similar in S1, there are still differences, besides the Death Note and Geass. For example Lelouch at least felt sorrow for the deaths he created. Also, he was not a "mass murderer" in the fact that he did not mean to kill all the Japanese in the stadium, he just lost control of his Geass while saying "kill all the Japanese" to Euphy.

This goes better in the discussion of Lelouch's character thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=65008).

[Miraploy]

Did anyone get the magazine yet.

[Airi]

Did anyone get the magazine yet.

Yes. He is dead. Here is the scan.

It's sad, but this is the truth.
Goodbye Lelouch!:(

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7369/70f29fe35f1da3734bd0736ry3.jpg

[Shadowcatch]

Yes. He is dead. Here is the scan.

It's sad, but this is the truth.
Goodbye Lelouch!:(

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7369/70f29fe35f1da3734bd0736ry3.jpg

This would be so much sadder if I could get ore out of it than Shirley and Mr.Vampire of Britannia are dead xD

[Sol Falling]

This would be pretty awesome if Shirley having her picture there meant her death was special.

[Charred Knight]

I am more interested in the interview Okouchi gave as that is apparently where he confims his death. Also I am wondering if that list is from the magazine or Okouchi directly during the interview.

[Miraploy]

Yep, thanks Airi, but what I really want to see is a translation of the interview. Anyone have that?

[Miraploy]

Oh I just found this. I guess this is the answer.

http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/

[Shadowcatch]

Oh I just found this. I guess this is the answer.

http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/

*sigh* I share the same feelings as the writer. I knew he had to die, and I don't mind that. My only regret is that Lelouch and C.C. didn't admit their love =( (Or vice versa for kallen/shirley lovers). The romance in Code Geass was one of the reasons I liked it, the relationship between Lelouch and C.C. <3

[Methuselah]

Why can't he just say that "Lelouch is dead" instead of giving us vague quot-ass like his story is to an end but not for the others.....

[NyxOne]

Wow, it's a failure because Lelouch dies? Did you even understand what he intended to do, jafri?

[bladeofdarkness]

why do so many people seem to hate the idea that he is dead
that was the whole point of ZERO-R
and it was done to atone for all the shit he did during his time since getting the geass (before and during ZERO-R)
if he dies to make the world a better place then he is a hero
if he cheated his way out of it then he's a douch (who ended up sticking suzaku with the bill BTW)
why wish he was still alive :confused:

[Miraploy]

I hope you realize you make no sense dude.

[NyxOne]

Darthfury spouts non-existant truths about the self-perceived 'importance' of a high school and its residents whose sole purposes (save for Shirley, and Rivalz, who can be credited with starting Code Geass' main story, and Nina) were to be used as filler. He's delusional.

[Genius-kun]

I dont want him to be dead wtf! If hes dead there's not going to be another code geass sequel NOOOOOOO! I really enjoyed Code geass so i wanna see more thats why.

[ZingFreelancer]

if he cheated his way out of it then he's a douch (who ended up sticking suzaku with the bill BTW)

That the Lelouch way, isnt it smart? Hehe
Aside from that, he just gave Suzaku a reason to live on.
If I think about it, I would not mind if Suzaku did die. He is a great pilot, but all he was doing is moan about the dead, he didn't manage to change much of Britannia from inside until the very end.

why do so many people seem to hate the idea that he is dead

He is the one who made Code Geass into interesting cunning series, he is the main character. He also have charisma and do things out of the ordinary "good guy way".
Once something bad happen he have balls enough to move on, even when that something hurt really badly.


and it was done to atone for all the shit he did during his time since getting the geass (before and during ZERO-R)
It would have been much more interesting to see how a person would live on and atone his sins in a different way.
How all what he did would affect him and how he would deal with all this emotional crap.
Just like in the case with Rurouni Kenshin (Dunno if I spell this right)
Have you seen that anime? It was one of my first anime I ever seen, pretty damn good.


if he dies to make the world a better place then he is a hero

No, he is a martyr. You cant make a good world by sacrificing your self just like that. Is the moral that if a human commit a suicide it is for the sake of the better world?
Let me take it to next level.
This is the same as to say: If a terrorist blow up a supermarket, he sacrifice himself to create a better world. HE IS NOW A FREAKIGN HERO WITH YOUR LOGIC!

I dont want him to be dead wtf! If hes dead there's not going to be another code geass sequel NOOOOOOO! I really enjoyed Code geass so i wanna see more thats why.
Lets go and spam Sunrise, geass.jp and their sponsors websites with hate mail until they bring him back!!!
Or block our IP's


Off-topic.
I am starting to love FireFox. Accidentaly closed the tab with reply window, but was able to open it up again with all the text in same window by going to "History -> Recently closed tabs"
I wonder if Opera have this sort of function.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Uhhmmm....Not just THAT.

I meant because of the CG Poor storylines I mean Someone named Darthfury78 tolds me to that why it fails. I mean i just need to know what happened to the Ashford Academy after the aftermath of the final TURN. But unfortunately, that wasn't the case so it fails to me.

But i love Code geass since i've watched in December 2006 to make me impress to watch the other anime shows instead of that Crappy Chrono Crusade & Mai otome.

UNTIL now after i've heard some shocking news from someone, THIS happens to me. I mean dissapointed.......

WTF are you babbling about?

[Spectacular_Insanity]

No, he is a martyr. You cant make a good world by sacrificing your self just like that. Is the moral that if a human commit a suicide it is for the sake of the better world?
Let me take it to next level.
This is the same as to say: If a terrorist blow up a supermarket, he sacrifice himself to create a better world. HE IS NOW A FREAKIGN HERO WITH YOUR LOGIC!

Actually, technically he's only a martyr from the viewer's subjective point of view. To the vast majority of the world of Code Geass, he was a monster who's reign was put to an end by the freedom fighter Zero. Most people in the world of Code Geass don't know the truth. Only C.C., Suzaku, and Nunnally (and maybe Kallen) know the truth.

[ZeroSama]

So its confirmed that he's deader than dead? Wonderful.

What an awful way to end the series. So many other characters deserving death including, but not limited too Schenziel for killing everyone in the Imperial Capital, Nunnally for spamming FLEIA's and Nina for humping tables and that face, yet, in the end Lelouch is the only one to carry the can while they get a chance at redemption.

I wouldn't have minded if he died if the aforementioned losers got taken with him since Lelouch wouldn't be the only one being punished for his crimes, but forcing it all on him(even if he didn't mind and even wanted it) just sucks ass. Total failure.

Lelouch taking over the world and ruling as a tyrant would've been a better end. Teach everyone that "good" doesn't always triumph over "evil" just like RL, much better than some stupid morality tale ending.

Wish i could take back my 10 and halve it.

[Jeffry2009]

WTF are you babbling about?

I was talked about How this show turns out to be 'Unfinished'. That is all. :(

[Shadowcatch]

So its confirmed that he's deader than dead? Wonderful.

What an awful way to end the series. So many other characters deserving death including, but not limited too Schenziel for killing everyone in the Imperial Capital, Nunnally for spamming FLEIA's and Nina for humping tables and that face, yet, in the end Lelouch is the only one to carry the can while they get a chance at redemption.

I wouldn't have minded if he died if the aforementioned losers got taken with him since Lelouch wouldn't be the only one being punished for his crimes, but forcing it all on him(even if he didn't mind and even wanted it) just sucks ass. Total failure.

Lelouch taking over the world and ruling as a tyrant would've been a better end. Teach everyone that "good" doesn't always triumph over "evil" just like RL, much better than some stupid morality tale ending.

Wish i could take back my 10 and halve it.

It's an anime man, not a Shakespearean play. in anime, it's ok to die happy as a martyr.

[NyxOne]

Why do so many people now think the series is a complete and utter failure now that Lelouch is dead? When his plan was to die in the FIRST PLACE?

Some posters' sudden drops in their coherent posts and intelligence quotient actually makes me feel totally dumbfounded and aghast. Could you not take the WONDERFUL 99TH EMPEROR LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA HAIL TO THE KING dying? Jesus.

And for the record, Schneizel's Zero's slave, and Nina deserved redemption. "Oh, she humped a table" is the stupidest fucking reason I have ever heard for wanting a character to die. "Holy Lelouch didn't deserve to die, but she did because she got kinky with a piece of furniture! Never mind all the bastardry Lelouch pulled as Emperor and the fact that he intended to die in the first place!"

I'm speechless.

And for you, ZeroSama. Nina was being hunted by groups and people all over the world because of what she created. She said it herself. She could rarely set foot outside Ashford for fear of her life. She wasn't being let off scot-free before she redeemed herself. Nunnally, unless you weren't paying any attention, was being manipulated by Schneizel. But I suppose Lelouch shooting her or Geassing her into crushing herself with her wheelchair would have been better for you.

And, sure, an ending where Lelouch (HOLY LELOUCH LET HIM BE PRAISED) ruled over the world with an iron fist and where he slaughtered all the other named protagonists and antagonists in a bloody fashion whilst laughing like a typical madman would have been perfect, yes?

[NyxOne]

By belieiving the words of a poster who has an obsessional attachment to a minor character and overplays her importance, saying that she was 'vital' to the plot and linking everything he could with her, even the damn Ragnarok issue. Sure.

[Spring_sakura111]

I love Code Geass.....Makes you wanna watch more MORE MORE!

[ZeroSama]

And, sure, an ending where Lelouch (HOLY LELOUCH LET HIM BE PRAISED) ruled over the world with an iron fist and where he slaughtered all the other named protagonists and antagonists in a bloody fashion whilst laughing like a typical madman would have been perfect, yes?

No. My point was if one character is going to punished for their crimes then everyone should be punished as well.

Scehnziel serving zero after killing at least 40 million+ people when he bombed the imperial capital(no matter how you look at it Pendragon was much bigger than the Tokyo settlement and it was completely destroyed while Tokyo only lost about a quarter of its area) deserved death no matter how you look at it. No questions living as a slave was to good a fate for him.

Nunnally shit spammed FLIEA's like crazy against innocent(geassed) soldiers who had been forced into fighting for Lelouch(which she knew) yet she ends up getting to live as a queen/empress/whatever. Bitch.

Nina made the bomb in the first place which ended up killing oh at least 50 million+ people simply for the sake of revenge over one persons death. Being allowed to live, even in hiding is too good a fate for her.

The reason why i said Lelouch ruling as a tyrant would've been a better(and i did say better, not a perfect) end is because if all the afforementioned losers got off scot free then Lelouch should've as well. No if's or buts. Its the only way to maintain consistency in relation to crime and punishment. Either everyone is punished equally or no one is. Thats why the ending failed in my eyes.

[Sol Falling]

Take into account that the completely innocent Shirley and Euphemia were the other two major deaths of the series. If sin and punishment were to be equal in Code Geass, then you'd be demanding the deaths of just about everybody.

How exactly did you feel about those, btw? Justice disappeared in Code Geass the very moment of Euphie's death. Equality isn't something which exists in real life: so as for Code Geass, they've actually always made a point of showing just how unfair the world could be.

[ZeroSama]

Take into account that the completely innocent Shirley and Euphemia were the other two major deaths of the series. If sin and punishment were to be equal in Code Geass, then you'd be demanding the deaths of just about everybody.

How exactly did you feel about those, btw? Justice disappeared in Code Geass the very moment of Euphie's death. Equality isn't something which exists in real life: so as for Code Geass, they've actually always made a point of showing just how unfair the world could be.

Don't forget Rolo Sol, he was a major a-hol...death i mean as well, but i'm not surprised that you've a little bias;).

In the case of Shirely(who tried to kill Villeta and then Lelouch), Rolo died so justice was served while i think if Euphie could speak from beyond the grave she wouldn't be blaming Lelouch or calling for his head.

I don't know why you think justice died with Euphie though, wasn't really any justice in the CG world from the start, people were constantly being crapped on even before EP1 of S1 judging by the timeline.

I case my viewpoint just comes from the fact that i've a real "eye for an eye" attitude. No jokes about everyone ending up blind please:D.

[Attenborough Cortitc]

Don't forget Rolo Sol, he was a major a-hol...death i mean as well, but i'm not surprised that you've a little bias;).

In the case of Shirely(who tried to kill Villeta and then Lelouch), Rolo died so justice was served while i think if Euphie could speak from beyond the grave she wouldn't be blaming Lelouch or calling for his head.

I don't know why you think justice died with Euphie though, wasn't really any justice in the CG world from the start, people were constantly being crapped on even before EP1 of S1 judging by the timeline.

I case my viewpoint just comes from the fact that i've a real "eye for an eye" attitude. No jokes about everyone ending up blind please:D.
There was nothing bias about Sol's post considering all the horrible things Rolo has done so the fact that he left him out is justified. Euphie's death was just unfair since she died trying to do her part the best she can and geass basically took over her remaining life considering she wondered why after Lelouch shot her meant she still didn't know what had happened.

[ZeroSama]

There was nothing bias about Sol's post considering all the horrible things Rolo has done so the fact that he left him out is justified. Euphie's death was just unfair since she died trying to do her part the best she can and geass basically took over her remaining life considering she wondered why after Lelouch shot her meant she still didn't know what had happened.

I meant that Rolos' death was a major one and was simply pointing out Sol's (understandable)bias by omitting it since they shipped ShirLulu.

His death had just as much impact on Lelouch as Euphies and Shirleys since it pretty much snapped him out of his doldrums and into his "dump my crappy morality and do whatevers necessary to call daddy out" mindset. Oh and saving his life as well can't forget that part either.

[Shadowcatch]

I meant that Rolos' death was a major one and was simply pointing out Sol's bias by omitting it.

Well Rolo died the way he wanted to, so I wouldn't call that being shit upon. Every main character has killed people. Lelouch, Suzaku, Schnielzel, Nina, C.C., Kallen, etc... If retribution were to happen everyone in the entire fucking univers of code geass would explode lol. It's just as Lelouch says, you have to destroy in order to create. He destroyed millions of peoples lives, but saved hundreds of billions of others.

[NyxOne]

ZS, you have such a one-dimensional view of characters (Nina and Nunnnally) that it disturbs me. Nina repented, and Nunnally was being used by Schneizel, and he could manipulate just about anyone.

But whatever. Arguing with you's useless.

[demon_god04]

No. My point was if one character is going to punished for their crimes then everyone should be punished as well.

Scehnziel serving zero after killing at least 40 million+ people when he bombed the imperial capital(no matter how you look at it Pendragon was much bigger than the Tokyo settlement and it was completely destroyed while Tokyo only lost about a quarter of its area) deserved death no matter how you look at it. No questions living as a slave was to good a fate for him.

Nunnally shit spammed FLIEA's like crazy against innocent(geassed) soldiers who had been forced into fighting for Lelouch(which she knew) yet she ends up getting to live as a queen/empress/whatever. Bitch.

Nina made the bomb in the first place which ended up killing oh at least 50 million+ people simply for the sake of revenge over one persons death. Being allowed to live, even in hiding is too good a fate for her.

The reason why i said Lelouch ruling as a tyrant would've been a better(and i did say better, not a perfect) end is because if all the afforementioned losers got off scot free then Lelouch should've as well. No if's or buts. Its the only way to maintain consistency in relation to crime and punishment. Either everyone is punished equally or no one is. Thats why the ending failed in my eyes.

My keen detective senses tells me that there may be some bitterness in your post. :heh: Leaving aside whether I agree with your views of the aforementioned characters, punishment is not always metted out to all those that deserved it.

The point is, I believe, that Lelouch went the way he did because he actively sought atonement and to be punished while the others did not. It shows the kind of person Lelouch was, someone who not only saw the faults in others but can also see them in himself. His kindness caused him to seek that redemption through death.

You can also look at it another way, in that Lelouch himself was one of the main instigators that set in motion the events that lead to many of those tragedies either directly or indirectly and he is taking into himself all the hatred and sins spawned from his actions and being punished for them in place of all the others. Kinda ironic considering that martyrdom is what Suzaku sought. :heh:

ZS, you have such a one-dimensional view of characters (Nina and Nunnnally) that it disturbs me. Nina repented, and Nunnally was being used by Schneizel, and he could manipulate just about anyone.

But whatever. Arguing with you's useless.

The problem I have with this is that Nunally, with all her truth powers allowed herself to believe Schneizel, especially after the guy nuked an entire city to basically show Lelouch he was serious. Even if what he told Nunally about evacuating everyone is true, he still ruined their lives economically. Imagine being forced to flee with essentially nothing to your name and then having the place where you lived, where your livelyhood is was turned into a giant crater. Not to mention that Nunally believed Schneizel over the person that took care of her and supported her when they were driven from their former lives because she was blinded and crippled.

[Rising Dragon]

Nunnally's power required touch as a medium, last I checked, and I don't remember her holding hands with Schneizel.

[Nogitsune]

Hm. Nunally annoyed me a little when she was with Schneizel, but I still liked her until the end.
Lelouch, on the other hand, was just too good for this world.
I think he's the only character I could easily forgive for shooting Clovis.
*hugs Lelouch*

[Charred Knight]

Hm. Nunally annoyed me a little when she was with Schneizel, but I still liked her until the end.
Lelouch, on the other hand, was just too good for this world.
I think he's the only character I could easily forgive for shooting Clovis.
*hugs Lelouch*

He made hundreds of people his brainwashed slaves, he killed thousands of innocent people, and the worst thing you think he did was kill an idiot monster?

[Nogitsune]

He made hundreds of people his brainwashed slaves, he killed thousands of innocent people, and the worst thing you think he did was kill an idiot monster?

Idiot monster?
Hm... have you listened to Stage 0.884 "The Imperial Siblings"?
If yes, than it's a rather big difference in opinion.
If not, then you have only seen one side of Clovis (uhm, except the paintings in the anime, of course).
In my opionion, he was the best example for the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Both Cornelia and Schneizel thought of him as "too kind" to go to Area Eleven - but when he did so in order to honour his supposedely deceased siblings' memory, he soon lost focus and apparently stopped caring about... well, everything.
Maybe shooting him wasn't the most horrible thing Lelouch has ever done, but Clovis truly loved him. And thinking of how he lost his way never fails to make me sad.

Oh, and he certainly wasn't an idiot. He almost beat Lelouch in chess once.
Errr... after loosing 36 times, but hey, it's Lelouch. ;P

[Charred Knight]

Idiot monster?
Hm... have you listened to Stage 0.884 "The Imperial Siblings"?
If yes, than it's a rather big difference in opinion.
If not, then you have only seen one side of Clovis (uhm, except the paintings in the anime, of course).
In my opionion, he was the best example for the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Both Cornelia and Schneizel thought of him as "too kind" to go to Area Eleven - but when he did so in order to honour his supposedely deceased siblings' memory, he soon lost focus and apparently stopped caring about... well, everything.
Maybe shooting him wasn't the most horrible thing Lelouch has ever done, but Clovis truly loved him. And thinking of how he lost his way never fails to make me sad.

Oh, and he certainly wasn't an idiot. He almost beat Lelouch in chess once.
Errr... after loosing 36 times, but hey, it's Lelouch. ;P

Clovis might have wanted to be good, but he quickly lost his way and become an idiot monster.

[Nogitsune]

Clovis might have wanted to be good, but he quickly lost his way and become an idiot monster.

*shrugs*
That's your opinion.
I like to think that Lelouch would have had no trouble in making him change sides.
Clovis was as much a victim of Britannia as everyone else, after all.
He wasn't a saint, sure; but I like flawed characters. There is always a lot of room for development.

[demon_god04]

Nunnally's power required touch as a medium, last I checked, and I don't remember her holding hands with Schneizel.

It was not like Rohmeiyer couldn't keep her hands off Nunally. She asked to touch her hand to ascertain the truth, she did not attempt so with Schneizel even when being told that the person who was with her the most in her life and was the most important to her was the devil incarnate, or about if Schneizel really moved the people away from Pendragon.

[Rising Dragon]

It was not like Rohmeiyer couldn't keep her hands off Nunally. She asked to touch her hand to ascertain the truth, she did not attempt so with Schneizel even when being told that the person who was with her the most in her life and was the most important to her was the devil incarnate, or about if Schneizel really moved the people away from Pendragon.

Considering their time apart, did Nunnally really have any reason to not trust Schneizel?

[Charred Knight]

It was not like Rohmeiyer couldn't keep her hands off Nunally. She asked to touch her hand to ascertain the truth, she did not attempt so with Schneizel even when being told that the person who was with her the most in her life and was the most important to her was the devil incarnate, or about if Schneizel really moved the people away from Pendragon.


Look at it this way, the leaders to protect the world are Suzaku, Kallen, Ougi, and Nunnaly. Suzaku, Kallen, and Ougi are obviously not competent enough to run the world, since Suzaku, and Kallen, are soldiers and not leaders, and Ougi is overall a nice guy thrust into a position of leadership he can't handle.

What makes you think Nunnaly is any different?

[demon_god04]

Considering their time apart, did Nunnally really have any reason to not trust Schneizel?

The question is, why should she trust Schneizel over the kind brother that has been with her through everything and has always protected her, who is the person she prays to do give her strength.

She questioned Schneizel if he really did move the citizens before turning a city into a crater. What is Schneizel going to say? Go back on what he told her? If she was not sure enough of him to ask then it is stupid to just take Schneizel's word at face value.

@ Charred Knight

I don't think you understand what we are really debating here. We are talking about Nunally and not whether the world's leaders are incompetent.

[Rising Dragon]

Nunnally seemed to be on good terms with all of her surviving siblings, and did not have any reason not to trust Schneizel in the first place. Plus, during R2, after that phone call, she knew something was wrong with Lelouch, that something strange was going on, because for whatever reason, Lelouch had to hide from her and pretend they weren't related or that they knew each other.

[Charred Knight]

The question is, why should she trust Schneizel over the kind brother that has been with her through everything and has always protected her, who is the person she prays to do give her strength.

She questioned Schneizel if he really did move the citizens before turning a city into a crater. What is Schneizel going to say? Go back on what he told her? If she was not sure enough of him to ask then it is stupid to just take Schneizel's word at face value.

@ Charred Knight

I don't think you understand what we are really debating here. We are talking about Nunally and not whether the world's leaders are incompetent.

Nunnaly has absolutly no reason not to trust Schneizel, as he isn't the one brainwashing hundreds of people, and the fact that Schneizel was on good terms with all of his siblings before Euphemia died. Keep in mind that Euphemia's death changed Schneizel like it did Lelouch, and Suzaku, the Schneizel Nunnaly knew as a child died when Euphemia died.

Also remember that most of the Britannian royal family has been protrayed as relativly close in the anime.

[demon_god04]

Nunnally seemed to be on good terms with all of her surviving siblings, and did not have any reason not to trust Schneizel in the first place. Plus, during R2, after that phone call, she knew something was wrong with Lelouch, that something strange was going on, because for whatever reason, Lelouch had to hide from her and pretend they weren't related or that they knew each other.

Except that the core problem I have with that scenario is that, who does she trust more? Her brother or Schneizel? Nunally is arguably (I'd laugh given what happened but meh) the person that understands the kind person that her brother is. On one hand she has Lelouch who has been with her through everything in her life, he cared for her when she was blinded and crippled and they were thrown into a country they knew nothing about. On the other is Schneizel who she has not seen in however many years.

You keep dodging the point that, it is not that she is on bad relations with her other siblings, it is that she should know Lelouch, someone who has been with her through the best and worst times of their lives, who never abandoned her, who took care of her when even their father abandoned her, it is that she should trust that Lelouch over Schneizel.

[Rising Dragon]

Except that the core problem I have with that scenario is that, who does she trust more? Her brother or Schneizel? Nunally is arguably (I'd laugh given what happened but meh) the person that understands the kind person that her brother is. On one hand she has Lelouch who has been with her through everything in her life, he cared for her when she was blinded and crippled and they were thrown into a country they knew nothing about. On the other is Schneizel who she has not seen in however many years.

You keep dodging the point that, it is not that she is on bad relations with her other siblings, it is that she should know Lelouch, someone who has been with her through the best and worst times of their lives, who never abandoned her, who took care of her when even their father abandoned her, it is that she should trust that Lelouch over Schneizel.

You completely ignored my point of how Lelouch had inadvertently given her reasons to doubt him, while Schneizel, by and by, had not. To answer your question, at the time, Nunnally trusted Schneizel more than she did Lelouch.

[demon_god04]

You completely ignored my point of how Lelouch had inadvertently given her reasons to doubt him, while Schneizel, by and by, had not. To answer your question, at the time, Nunnally trusted Schneizel more than she did Lelouch.

That was because I thought it was obvious that what Nunally questioned was not Lelouch, but the strained relationship that seems to be apparent between him and Suzaku. Which is apparent as her thoughts were why did they lie to each other and her. She was still thinking of her brother fondly, evidenced by her conversations with Kallen, and Schneizel had just nuked a city, an act she was leery of and voiced her concerns for the civilians. From Schneizel's answer, he had already fed her some bs about evacuating everyone but she still asked him again, an act that was not necessary if she did trust Schneizel that much.

And the question is the how and why. That is just a statement, and frankly I do not see Nunally trusting Schneizel to the extent of trusting him over Lelouch based on her (supposed) insight upon Lelouch's character (remember, Nunally was supposed to be an intuitive person evidenced by her exchange with Rohmeiyer and her decision to use her hand lie detector powers on Rohmeiyer.) from living with him all her life and depended on him and was protected by him during that time. Once again, it is not about anyone giving her a reason not to trust them but that Lelouch is clearly someone that is more important and close to her then anyone else. If there is one thing that CG has been very consistent of in portraying is the closeness of Lelouch and Nunally in their sibling relationship and the importance that they mean to each other.

[Charred Knight]

My keen detective senses tells me that there may be some bitterness in your post. :heh: Leaving aside whether I agree with your views of the aforementioned characters, punishment is not always metted out to all those that deserved it.

The point is, I believe, that Lelouch went the way he did because he actively sought atonement and to be punished while the others did not. It shows the kind of person Lelouch was, someone who not only saw the faults in others but can also see them in himself. His kindness caused him to seek that redemption through death.

You can also look at it another way, in that Lelouch himself was one of the main instigators that set in motion the events that lead to many of those tragedies either directly or indirectly and he is taking into himself all the hatred and sins spawned from his actions and being punished for them in place of all the others. Kinda ironic considering that martyrdom is what Suzaku sought. :heh:



The problem I have with this is that Nunally, with all her truth powers allowed herself to believe Schneizel, especially after the guy nuked an entire city to basically show Lelouch he was serious. Even if what he told Nunally about evacuating everyone is true, he still ruined their lives economically. Imagine being forced to flee with essentially nothing to your name and then having the place where you lived, where your livelyhood is was turned into a giant crater. Not to mention that Nunally believed Schneizel over the person that took care of her and supported her when they were driven from their former lives because she was blinded and crippled.

I wouldn't exactly call a man who brainwashes hundreds of innocent people, kills thousands more, and whatever the hell he did during the two months kind. Frankly I can't believe that to get the reception he got, all he did was threaten the world, and behave like a stereotypical overlord.

Deep down Lelouch was a good person but he did horrible things and was punished for it. Schneizel, most of the Britannian Royal Family, and Suzaku where also punished for their actions, as most of the Britannian Royal Family (including Schneizel) are brainwashed slaves, and Suzaku can never go outside with his Zero Mask on, and can never know love because of it.

Did they die? No, but frankly you can consider death to be an easy escape, as people like Schneizel can never think for himself again, and frankly can't even be called really alive anymore, his simply a breathing puppet.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

And the question is the how and why. That is just a statement, and frankly I do not see Nunally trusting Schneizel to the extent of trusting him over Lelouch based on her (supposed) insight upon Lelouch's character (remember, Nunally was supposed to be an intuitive person evidenced by her exchange with Rohmeiyer and her decision to use her hand lie detector powers on Rohmeiyer.) from living with him all her life and depended on him and was protected by him during that time. Once again, it is not about anyone giving her a reason not to trust them but that Lelouch is clearly someone that is more important and close to her then anyone else. If there is one thing that CG has been very consistent of in portraying is the closeness of Lelouch and Nunally in their sibling relationship and the importance that they mean to each other.

Which, I might add, is practically the basis of the entire plot of Code Geass.

The real problem with Nunnally is that she was fairly gullible and easy to manipulate, at least compared to most of the older characters. That's why Schneizel was able to get away with his lies about Pendragon Palace and the capital being evacuated.

[Spring_sakura111]

Look here.
The last episode's title for season one was called "Zero"
The last episode for season 2 was called " Re:"
What if there was a season 3 and the last episode was called "Quiem"

LOL!

[demon_god04]

Which, I might add, is practically the basis of the entire plot of Code Geass.

The real problem with Nunnally is that she was fairly gullible and easy to manipulate, at least compared to most of the older characters. That's why Schneizel was able to get away with his lies about Pendragon Palace and the capital being evacuated.

Which runs contrary to what they showed us about Nunally earlier in that very same season. If she really was that gulible and easy to manipulate, she would have not seen through Rohmeiyer and used her blind girl truth powers on her.