Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 03 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Klashikari]

Let's see...

Episode 3: Reworked summary + thoughts + caps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/clannad-after-story-episode-3/)
Everything in the article has been polished!

Finally some serious stuff, fufufufufu

[rave_master16]

Let's see...


-Mei is acting fluffy and hugs Sanae

-Youhei and Sanae are "on a date", while Mei, Nagisa and Tomoya follow them

-Instead of a proper restaurant, Youhei goes to a cheap one.
In the end, Sanae prepare everyone's lunch at the guy dorm instead.

-Youhei buy some... weird music CD, but it attracts Sanae's attention somehow

-At the park, they see kids bullying a girl.
Concerned, Mei is however very upset by Youhei's behaviour as he is completely ignoring the scene and wants to move out with Sanae.
The girl's brother then arrives and clears the situation.
In the end, Sanae herself checks them out.

-At school, Youhei is completely daydreaming about Sanae.

-Mei pays a visit to both Youhei and Tomoya with Nagisa at the dorm.
Fed up by the situation, Mei pretends she is going out with a guy, which stuns completely youhei.
However, as he remains completely passive, Mei runs away, leaving Youhei to his "adult" relationship with Sanae.
Nagisa follows her, and Tomoya tries to knock some sense to Youhei, but the latter is still waiting for Sanae's call.
Outside, Mei is waiting, but as she thought her brother finally went out to look for her, it is "only" Tomoya and cries silently.

-Mei discusses with Nagisa and Tomoya and reveals that she was always bullied when she was young.
However, she could always count on her brother. As he joined the soccer club, she was happy to see him enjoying this hobby.
In the end, she obviously figured the lie about the girlfriend, and both Nagisa and TOmoya apologize. Mei thinks she is a burden.

-Sanae is still doing her role, and Akio sees her in her highschooler outfit. Mei and Tomoya manage to make her leave while Akio is "busy".

-Mei is spending some time with Tomoya and decides to uses him as a onii-chan proxy. Tomoya is absolutely flustered by that and cannot stay calm.
Unluckily for him, The Fujibayashi twins who were going out with Kotomi bumped on them and got shocked by the weird turn of the events.
Even the random passerby are "creeped" by that, and Tomoya cannot do much about it.

-crepe 2K 'princess crepe'
Tomoya got a strawberry
===> kurapika for "forgiveness"

-Still on the "Tomoya onii-chan" antic, Mei wants a princess crepe, costing whooping 2.000 Yen (roughly $20/15€)
Tomoya is reluctant to that, but he is unable to say no to Mei. In the end she is eating happily her giant and stuffed crepe.
She offers a bite to Tomoya but the later foolishly ate the strawberry she wanted. Cutely whining about it, she then suggests a purikura in order for him to be forgiven.

-Mei happily got a picture with Tomoya but they are seen by Youhei who doesn't seem exactly in good mood.
Mei is unable to explain, but Tomoya is bold and pretends that he IS Mei's boyfriend, even denying about Nagisa.
Both "lovers" leave, while Youhei is completely shaked by the shock.

-Mei is very depressed and thinks she doesn't represent anything to him.
nagisa disapproves though lie wasn't any good.
Tomoya wonders if it is time for her to go back home, but Mei believes she can't let her brother like that and there might be a way to put him back on the right path.

Finally some serious stuff, fufufufufu

I wonder where Tomoya gets his money....That's high price foods..

[Kaisos Erranon]

I wonder where Tomoya gets his money....That's high price foods..

I think his dad gives him some kind of allowance.

[rave_master16]

I think his dad gives him some kind of allowance.

I have the feeling he doesn't want to get anything from his dad.

[Proto]

He could still receive some kind of pocket money for the times he help in the bakery or something like that. Or he could still have some money left after all the gardening tools he had to buy after Kotomi's arc. Still, this is when you apply your hard earned suspension of disbelief abilities :p

[Kaisos Erranon]

I have the feeling he doesn't want to get anything from his dad.

Heck, even if I hated my dad, it's money. I'll take it.

He could still receive some kind of pocket money for the times he help in the bakery or something like that. Or he could still have some money left after all the gardening tools he had to buy after Kotomi's arc. Still, this is when you apply your hard earned suspension of disbelief abilities :p

I don't think Akio has ever payed Tomoya anything for helping in the bakery...

[Proto]

Nothing on screen, I'll give you that. Then again Tomoya's never earned anything on screen so it's anyone's call.

[Nightengale]

Jackass mode : ON. Though I lol-ed at Lucky Star Mei.

I have the feeling he doesn't want to get anything from his dad.

He's been leeching off his dead-pan dad for 3 years already, though he probably stopped after going to Akio's place.

At the same time, he's not the type to indulge in other pleasures in life, so whatever amount he brought when he left home and Akio's occasional pocket-tips should be enough money realistically.

[Ottocycle]

At the same time, he's not the type to indulge in other pleasures in life, so whatever amount he brought when he left home and Akio's occasional pocket-tips should be enough money realistically.
Though he splurged on Kotomi's violin and yard? And Akio's 100-110 yen tips should not be much in this case...

[Proto]

Though he splurged on Kotomi's violin and yard?

We already know that he used his saving for the gardening tools. And the violin has payed by the drama club female members so...

[Nightengale]

Though he splurged on Kotomi's violin and yard? And Akio's 100-110 yen tips should not be much in this case...

He was still living in his original home then. Knowing Tomoya's father, he probably religiously leaves some money on the table everyday or something for Tomoya. Even then, it's not like he spends a lot of it, tl;dr built-up savings, etc.

On the other hand as Clannad is now, he can't exactly pop inside his old house to demand money every month (( it'd hurt his self-aggravated pride, ignoring the fact that he's been leeching off him for several years already when living under the same roof )) after he's moved into Akio's place nor can he expect Akio to give him the same kind of pocket money he's given back home, considering he eats and sleeps there for free.

Expensive crepes are one thing. If we see him pulling the same scale of 'need money' like Kotomi again without reliance on Akio or his dad, then that'd be a little too stretchy.

[Ruezu]

In the Movie, he takes Weekly allowance from his dad...

[Mecha_Trueno]

something didnt occur to me until this episode...
when sanae was preparing to go out to meet sunohara, i was thinking "hold on man... tomoya, were you sitting there the WHOLE TIME while she was changing?":twitch:
then i thought, "what about in ep2 during the cosplaying?"... did he really exit the room each change? it certainly LOOKED like he was settled and seated comfortably there the whole time:heh:
i did LOL'd @ akio's reaction when he saw sanae. and found the kyou/ryou/kotomi part funny:D
wonder how the hell did tomoya understand mei's sign language... haha i laugh every time see characters doing those "signals" in anime, and poor nagisa was forced to stay behind and make up some bullsh*t cover-up to her dad, wonder what she came up with... wish we got to see:heh:
i still cant get over that GIANT SIZE crepe:twitch:... or maybe its just my fear for sweet stuff

anyway, can anyone refresh my memory on what happened between sunohara and the soccer club? tomoya mentioned some time, but i cant be bothered to search for the episode.
i haven't played the game, so i dont know what's coming up ahead. was gonna download it to play when S1 was still airing, but when i heard sanae isn't a winnable character, i thought "oh f*ck it"


Though I lol-ed at Lucky Star Mei.:confused:lucky star? which part?:confused:

anyway, we get to see more joshikousei sanae... i guess we know how saimoe2009 is gonna turn out like now:heh:, though i prefer normal sanae. loved her sensei cosplay in during the fuuko arc in S1:love:

about the mystery of tomoya's pool of $$$, i've always wondered that as well...

[mandarb916]

nice eternal 17 parody lol...i think?

[Zenemis]

Tomoya sells his body.

[Mecha_Trueno]

man, the OP didnt make much of an impression on me at first, but now i find myself playing the episode just to listen to it. when the hell is the single gonna be released? any new anyone?
only problem is that, every time i see this http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6599/snapshot20081017050529zq4.th.png (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081017050529zq4.png)

in my vision, it goes like this http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6925/snapshot20081017050529bzj2.th.png (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081017050529bzj2.png)

[Nightengale]

:confused:lucky star? which part?:confused:

The faces Mei were making.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5366/clannadafterstory0331ddpe4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Nochgo]

Ahh, just watched the raw, it sure made me want to punch Sunohara. That stupid bastard.
Beside igniting hatred toward Sunohara, the date scene between Tomoya and Mei was the highlight for me. Tomoya pretzel, rawl

Very good episdoe.

[Mecha_Trueno]

The faces Mei were making.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5366/clannadafterstory0331ddpe4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
hmm... not sure if that's actually lucky star intended

[Nightengale]

hmm... not sure if that's actually lucky star intended

I never said it was a Lucky Star parody or anything, just the the particular comedy faces Mei were making in this episode feels of it.

[velocity7]

Ahh, just watched the raw, it sure made me want to punch Sunohara. That stupid bastard.
Beside igniting hatred toward Sunohara, the date scene between Tomoya and Mei was the highlight for me. Tomoya pretzel, rawl

That was the whole point of this route. Dramaz! :cool:

[Kaioshin Sama]

I get the strange sense that this isn't the last time we'll be seeing aspects of this series that are comparable to Lucky Star in the near future.

[Kaisos Erranon]

One of the better things about Haruhi was that it never resorted to overusing SD expressions for cheap giggles, unlike, say, Excel Saga, which is the sole reason I will never find them funny ever again.

Now if only Clannad avoided them...

[Raniie]

Another good episode.

Really love the part where Tomoya was about to be converted into a Somoya. He was really starting to lose it when Mei kept addressing him as onii-chan. Tho, when you look at them together, they do really look like they could've truly been related. As Mei like to play pranks like Tomoya as well.

I don't really see a [direct] Lucky Star reference in this epsidoe, but after rewatching this particular time clip at 16:39 - 16:50. Tomoyo does resemble Konata, but I can't remember which Lucky Star episode it was that Konata was acting that way.

As for the SD expressions, well KyoAni has been using them tastefully, so I don't see it as a problem.

[Cloudkiller1]

Another good episode.

Really love the part where Tomoya was about to be converted into a Somoya. He was really starting to lose it when Mei kept addressing him as onii-chan. Tho, when you look at them together, they do really look like they could've truly been related. As Mei like to play pranks like Tomoya as well.

I don't really see a [direct] Lucky Star reference in this epsidoe, but after rewatching this particular time clip at 16:39 - 16:50. Tomoyo does resemble Konata, but I can't remember which Lucky Star episode it was that Konata was acting that way.

As for the SD expressions, well KyoAni has been using them tastefully, so I don't see it as a problem.

eh.. OT or not... It was one of hte first(2nd?) episode of Lucky Star where I think they were discussing about Kagamin and Tsukasa being twins and the star ManaKana(whoever they are). And Konata makes a smart remark or something. I think that was the scene.

I still need to bring myself to watch this episode I can laugh too.. :(

[rainnydaiis]

Onii-chan scene takes the cake, and the preview for the next episode takes the cake.

[IRJustman]

Onii-chan scene takes the cake, and the preview for the next episode takes the cake.

Or perhaps the crêpe? Though make sure that your next Princess crêpe (with a princess-grade price tag to go with it) has spare strawberries on it. ;)

--Ian.

[arkxkra]

good episode.
when Mai-chan call Tomoya oniichan tat time i damn lol, Tomoya dun have any antibody to sister (maybe he is a sis-con?), and some more let those 3(Kyou, Ryou and kotomi) direct hit :heh:.

I personally dun like this episode Sunohara behave, the normal self look more use to it.

[Ruhisu]

Great episode. I've almost fell off my chair in the part with Okazaki onii-chan moment XD

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/th_wmplayer2008-10-1713-25-55-73.jpg (http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/?action=view&current=wmplayer2008-10-1713-25-55-73.jpg)http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/th_wmplayer2008-10-1713-26-07-93.jpg (http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/?action=view&current=wmplayer2008-10-1713-26-07-93.jpg)

[rave_master16]

Okazaki got a sis-complex if he ever got a little sister..
And by the way...if you had noticed,...he's humming/ whistling while in a walkman.... "Chiisana Tenohira"?

[konstargirl]

AW!! I heard its a good episode, but how do you guys find the episodes from? I tried youtube, veoh and Crunchroll but they don't have it. :(

[arkxkra]

AW!! I heard its a good episode, but how do you guys find the episodes from? I tried youtube, veoh and Crunchroll but they don't have it. :(

i watching in from chinese sub, usually it come out before english sub.

[Rikimtasu]

i watching in from chinese sub, usually it come out before english sub.

Chinese sub cmae up really fast,even faster than english sub.
Oh yeah,lucky star mei FTW!

[Ottocycle]

Okazaki got a sis-complex if he ever got a little sister..
And by the way...if you had noticed,...he's humming/ whistling while in a walkman.... "Chiisana Tenohira"?
In the anime universe, he has officially become a fan of Dango Daikazoku, all thanks to his girlfriend. :p

Hmm...so this is how he familiarises himself with the song in the anime... Nice one.

[rapidfire]

at 8:06 (on the full video) Tomoya was whistling the dango song wasnt he?
I lol'd thru most of this episode. Although i saw we saw the rather dickhead side of Sunohara, Tomoya and Mei's part was rather entertaining.

2000 yen crepe!! poor Tomoya ate the strawberry

[Celestial]

Yet to watch the episode, is Sunohara spaghetti sauce yet?

[bladeofdarkness]

10/10
never knew the word onii-chan could be so destractive :D

[Utau]

late watch =w=



first half of the episode is bit annoying, mainly because Sunohara was too insensitive with his sister not to mention about the date thing. The guy doesn;t know proper manners (he is wearing formal clothing) lol.

second half was death blow. Tomoya and Mei look more like bro-sis then Sunoha. I mean, their hair color don't match. The bro-sis pretend was what salvaged this ep for me. Would want a TomoyaxMei route soon :p



"onii-chan~"


*nosebleed* x1000

:love:

[Sylphic]

Mei = awesomest sister ever!!! I would actually like to see a Tomoya Mei story arc. She's far more interesting than Nagisa. The story arc would never be boring with Mei around.

[Kushi]

This episode was very poor... [gave it a 6 out of 10 because of Mei and Tomoya funniness] However I really didn't like this episode because of the character inconsistenties. Mainly being Sunohara, sure he's sometimes annoying and stupid but it didn't seem like his character to do what he did [ignore the children / ignore mei]. It was something that Tomoya would do and I can't understand why the producers would make Sunohara suddenly seem like a complete jerk. [I know he's supposedly a jerk in the VN, but if you don't make him much of a jerk in the anime you can't suddenly start now]. Because Sunohara wasn't fabulous this episode I'll call it horrible

[Mirrinus]

I found Sunohara's behavior rather understandable, actually. One of the dangers of getting into a relationship is the tendency of neglecting other people in your life. I've seen it happen enough times in real life to believe that such a change, especially enacted on someone with existant flaws like Sunohara, is quite feasible.

Basically, I found it in keeping with his character, especially considering his newfound delusions starting in this arc.

[Utau]

I wouldn't realy say he's a complete jerk. For a jerky onii-tan he still deeply cares for his little sister, Sunohara only fails to show it. Or have the wits to do so, i don't know his reasons but from how his face quickly changed from worried-to-don't care at that moment i say there's something to it.

I was seriously surprised tho that he didn't do nor say anything to Tomoya when he saw his sister with Okazaki after saying that bull to him. Then again, he doesn't have the wits in front of his sister.

Needs more princess crepe~
it's much more cheaper that a jumbo parfait.

[rave_master16]

I understand that after this episode... lolicons/ siscons will lurk in this thread...

[Divini]

Despite the overall theme of this ep being serious, I don't think I've laughed so hard in a good while.... oh god I was floored about the time Ryou dropped her ice cream cone :heh:

"~~Onii-chan!" = direct hit to the heart! haha

[musume_no_hoshi]

I'm almost watching Clannad for its comedy, althought its plot and characters are still golden.

Favourite part is definately when Tomoya said he's Mei's boyfriend, for some reason I really love the scene.

The Onii-chan attack would work on any man with a heart x] Maybe even girls <<<

[Klashikari]

Mainly being Sunohara, sure he's sometimes annoying and stupid but it didn't seem like his character to do what he did [ignore the children / ignore mei].
Huh? That is actually very natural to him instead. Most of the time, he just fools around, however, he has now the "chance"to get a proper girlfriend. Delusion or whatever, he does have something in mind, yet it was obviously shown that Youhei WAS affected by the whole problem with the children.
Also, there is a huge reason why Youhei actually ignores Mei.It was something that Tomoya would do and I can't understand why the producers would make Sunohara suddenly seem like a complete jerk. [I know he's supposedly a jerk in the VN, but if you don't make him much of a jerk in the anime you can't suddenly start now].That has nothing to do with Tomoya or whatnot (and considering how he is actually helping anyone within his reach, proved by season 1, he would be the complete opposite of youhei).
And as far as I can see from the beginning of the anime, Youhei never had really a "non jerk" behaviour except few critical parts that really hits him hard (namely, about "conviction" and "dream" with Nagisa).

There are reasons why Youhei is astray, and it isn't exactly far fetched. if you are shocked with that, i wonder why you don't whine about Youhei and his stupid antics etc. Despite these were comedy, that nonetheless make him THINK and ACT accordingly. Should I remind you for instance that Youhei is a chauvinist with a huge ego, that wanted to cast his revenge upon Tomoyo and even Kyou? If we have to enumerate his pranks and serious offense, I don't think he would be a saint heh... (and if you had the inferiority complex etc, it isn't all pretty)
Now I don't say he is a complete rag to throw, but Youhei was always shown as a moron, but not totally hopeless.

[Kinny Riddle]

The "toilet seat cover" gag wasn't as funny as I expected, so I guess I owe the other users here an apology for having them look forward to this.

Luckily, Mei comes to save the day for the best comedy of the episode, by having Tomoya succumb to the deadly "sister-complex" disease, which claims the rationality of extremely cool protagonists and cause them to act like an idiot. I mean, just look at the title character of Code Geass to see what I mean. :cool: (Sunohara is no protagonist, so of course he's immune to it. )

That scene was made even funnier with the inclusion of the twins and Kotomi witnessing first-hand how much of a hentai sister-con Tomoya really is. :heh:

I reserve my comment of Sunohara's behaviour until next episode. This episode is simply Best of Mei. Her seiyuu Tamura Yukari really gets to shine this episode, as we won't be seeing a lot of her.

[Aizu]

Perfect job as always. Heh, so much Mei in this episode and this is good, because there wasn't so many time to her before in anime. "Onii-chaaan". 9 out of 10 : Excellent.

But next episode will be amazing because it will be the end of the siblings route.

It was something that Tomoya would do and I can't understand why the producers would make Sunohara suddenly seem like a complete jerk.
Well, Sunohara really is a normal guy. And he is really good-natured but with a big ego. But he has his own reasons for that. Klashikari said it right.
The "toilet seat cover"
It was more funny in the game. Too pity.
That scene was made even funnier with the inclusion of the twins and Kotomi witnessing first-hand how much of a hentai sister-con Tomoya really is.
Especially falling ice-cream and Ryou's face. He-he.

[monir]

I understand that after this episode... lolicons/ siscons will lurk in this thread...
http://d.imagehost.org/0531/snapshot20081016201223.png
Someone called?

I think Tomoya is more of a lolicon than a siscon by the work-in-progress theorem called, "all siscons are lolicons".

Anyway, the episode had bit more substance than last week's. I still couldn't swallow the transition between a worried Mei because of her Onichan's drastic personality change that shows bitterness and cold attitude, to the role-playing Mei who wanted to be Tomoya's adorable imouto, eat princess crepe, and take pictures with onichan. That music slated to highlight a sorrow-filled scene felt hasty this time around.

The positive thing I get out of this episode is that I'm intrigued to know how Sunohara will come to explain himself to his sister for the apparent change in his attitude in general. Surely, it is more than his desperation to meet a girl at play.

[Ascaloth]

Episode 3 article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 3 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1275)

I don't know why I'm taking so long to write these articles nowadays; I used to be able to churn them out in 5 hours easy. Anyway, things seem to be heading for an EPIC TRAINWRECK, and I would like to make a disclaimer that I meant that term in the best possible way, just before anyone tries to jump my hide for it.

I'm giving it....8/10 will do for now.

[Aizu]

I understand that after this episode... lolicons/ siscons will lurk in this thread...
Sure. "Onii-chaaan" :

http://d.imagehost.org/0768/Pedobear_seal_platinum.png

[Kinny Riddle]

One explanation of why the characters in this episode were so Lucky Star-like can be attributed to this episode's Art Director: Horiguchi Yukiko (堀口悠紀子), who happens to be the character designer for Lucky Star.

Her profile in Japanese Wikipedia
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A0%80%E5%8F%A3%E6%82%A0%E7%B4%80%E5%AD%90

The art style for the characters for this episode also reminds me a lot of the "Day of Sagittarius" episode of Suzimiya Haruhi, one of my favourite episodes. I went to have a look, sure enough, Day of Sagittarius also had Horiguchi as Art Director. I don't know how to describe it, but her art style was just recognizable for me.

[Aizu]

The art style for the characters for this episode
Strange art style. With every episode more and more cheaper. Bah.

[Kinny Riddle]

Strange art style. With every episode more and more cheaper. Bah.

Cheaper and cheaper? It's only the third episode, mate. The art directors were pretty much the same people as the first Clannad series, which also worked on all the other Kyo-Ani series. How can the art styles of the latest episodes be cheaper when you've actually seen them all before?

I don't dislike Horiguchi's art style, BTW. There's just something, "cartoonish" about her style, which may explain why she was chosen to be character designer for Lucky Star.

[Ashlotte]

Geez first we get Sanae being just incredibly lovely then we get Mei being absurdly Moe...Is every episode this season strategically planned to make us adore the entire secondary cast... :p



*cough* Not that I mind...I feel your pain Tomoya... :heh:

[Aizu]

Cheaper and cheaper? It's only the third episode, mate. The art directors were pretty much the same people as the first Clannad series, which also worked on all the other Kyo-Ani series. How can the art styles of the latest episodes be cheaper when you've actually seen them all before?
First was perfect. Second wasn't so ideal. Third was... strange. Also, look at some last scans. Can you see the difference ?

Btw, amazing face expressions. Is it really Nagisa ? Amazing, isn't it ?

http://d.imagehost.org/t/0234/2_5.jpg (http://d.imagehost.org/view/0234/2_5.jpg) http://d.imagehost.org/t/0597/1_3.jpg (http://d.imagehost.org/view/0597/1_3.jpg)

How can the art styles of the latest episodes be cheaper when you've actually seen them all before?
Ah, so, it can't be ? Good, then look at Sunrise.

[rave_master16]

First was perfect. Second wasn't so ideal. Third was... strange. Also, look at some last scans. Can you see the difference ?

Btw, amazing face expressions. Is it really Nagisa ? Amazing, isn't it ?

http://d.imagehost.org/t/0234/2_5.jpg (http://d.imagehost.org/view/0234/2_5.jpg) http://d.imagehost.org/t/0597/1_3.jpg (http://d.imagehost.org/view/0597/1_3.jpg)

Yup up to this point Kyoani is really making bad quality this last two episodes...
I wonder if they still have money for future quality episodes...
BTW I compared it to the Fuuko arc and Kotomi arc... I really like the quality in those arcs than this one...

[Klashikari]

I don't think it is cheaper, but they certainly changed few traits etc. Instead of design, I would rather say they are sucking some budget for later (and considering next week, it is a good idea, as the major highlights in episode 3 aren't exactly requiring neat details everywhere).

This is not bad quality per se (especially that a lot of series got even worse for their USUAL stuff... Example for this season: Chaos;Head). If they don't do that, there will be MASSIVE issues later on, and doing on such kind of episodes is the best way.

I believe they did a good job in selecting the episodes to "sacrifice" in season 1, and they didn't go nuts here either (and considering how AS is, there will be major insane budget requirements later on).
They didn't drop the animation though.

[Aizu]

I would rather say they are sucking some budget for later
I agree, because I don't see any real reasons for cutting their budget too. And KyoAni is also a well-known studio for it's animation quality.

[Kinny Riddle]

First was perfect. Second wasn't so ideal. Third was... strange. Also, look at some last scans. Can you see the difference ?

Btw, amazing face expressions. Is it really Nagisa ? Amazing, isn't it ?

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Maybe for you it isn't good enough to be Nagisa, but compared to some of the horrendously deformed clones of the Code Geass characters I've ever laid my eyes on, this Nagisa isn't too bad. Or maybe I'm just easily satisfied.

Ah, so, it can't be ? Good, then look at Sunrise.

I've seen my worth of Sunrise inconsistency, thank you very much. I know I'm shamelessly biased when I say this: for you to compare Kyo-Ani and Sunrise, you might as well compare apples with an orange. :cool:

I'm not saying it can, but passing judgment that the art's getting cheap after three episodes just takes the cake, IMHO

up up to this point Kyoani is really making bad quality this last two episodes...
I wonder if they still have money for future quality episodes...
BTW I compared it to the Fuuko arc and Kotomi arc... I really like the quality in those arcs than this one...

Again, I know I'm blatantly biased when I say this, but to say they've run out of money already is jumping to conclusions. Usually it's the first episode that gets awesome quality, then it dips for the second and subsequent episodes, depending on the studio, from a bit to a lot. And then it comes back again in climatic episodes as well as the final spurt to the end.

Anyway, let's end this silly debate and accept that we all have different demands for the animation quality.

[rave_master16]

I agree, because I don't see any real reasons for cutting their budget too. And KyoAni is also a well-known studio for it's animation quality.

I think so too.. this episode almost have the same style in the episode 19 in season 1.. I just hope that it's really budgeting costs...

[Aizu]

but to say they've run out of money already is jumping to conclusions

I'm not saying it can, but passing judgment that the art's getting cheap after three episodes just takes the cake, IMHO
Who said this ? We are talking now only about cheaper quality for this moment and not judging the whole season, isn't it ?

Usually it's the first episode that gets awesome quality, then it dips for the second and subsequent episodes
Well, this trick is a bad trick and studio looses it's quality mark and reputation. But we all hope that this isn't really a budget reason.

[Kinny Riddle]

Who said this ? We are talking now only about cheaper quality for this moment and not judging the whole season, isn't it ?

It certainly wasn't me. :rolleyes:

Yup up to this point Kyoani is really making bad quality this last two episodes...
I wonder if they still have money for future quality episodes...
BTW I compared it to the Fuuko arc and Kotomi arc... I really like the quality in those arcs than this one...

[rave_master16]

It certainly wasn't me. :rolleyes:

OMG Oniichan!!!... ~Guilty~....

[Aizu]

I wonder if they still have money for future quality episodes...
Opening ate all their budget. Lulz. Ah wait, this was ending, yeah.

[thirdlc]

Art director is director of background in anime terms. Let's use this term, animation director.
The next episode will be a relief for guys who don't like Horiguchi since the next animation director is Akitake Seiichi. He sticks to the character design.

[Aizu]

The next episode will be a relief for guys who don't like Horiguchi since the next animation director is Akitake Seiichi. He sticks to the character design.
Btw, why are they shuffling them and was this thing before in the first season ?

[Kinny Riddle]

Well, this trick is a bad trick and studio in future looses it's quality mark and reputation. But we all hope that this isn't really a budget reason.

Let's face it, besides Sunrise, who else do you think can have a virtually unlimited budget? Most anime studios get their revenue solely for the animation and nothing else. The music royalties end up with the composers, the figure and plastic mecha models revenues with the makers, the video game with the software companies, and even DVD revenues have chunks taken by the sponsors before it trickles back to the studios. Sunrise can get away with that since they're owned by Namco Bandai.

And as we all know, not even Sunrise are consistent themselves.

So it only makes sense for studios to strategically allocate their budgets over a series. HOWEVER, this is where the distinction between a good studio and bad studio arises. For me, YES, the quality has dropped, but not to the extent that it distracts me.

I remember deriding the quality for the middle episodes in Shana II, now those were distracting.

Perhaps our demand for "baseline" quality is different, no? Like I said, I'm an easy to please bloke. :cool:

Btw, why are they shuffling them and was this thing before in the first season ?

They've been doing this since time immemorial, for all studios. Don't ask me why.

[Aizu]

Well, not loosing a title for animation quality is a hard thing. And it's so hard to prove it but easy to blow it away. Now let's take Comix Wave for example. How much time art & animation sucked ? Hal Film Maker with Aria's case ? Satelight ? (random studios, don't search here something) Or let's take Kyoto's Air (one of the best animation quality works ever) ?

We are talking about droping quality in the borders of the one series. And now lets' back to Calnnad AS. Any so real comparing to already it's strange quality for this moment ? Ah, of course, this isn't clone attack in CGR2 or match people in Gundam 00, but this isn't so good comparing to previous Kyoto works.

Sometimes this isn't really a budget. It's laziness or poor quality control. This is just examples and not the real case of Clannad AS, of course. We already talked about this budget idea. But some interesting things are here.

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

Funny episode as usual. Kyou group bone the hell out when they saw Okazaki getting excited.

[kyouray]

Funny episode as usual. Kyou group bone the hell out when they saw Okazaki getting excited.

Yeah fun ! :D
"Onii-chan Onii-chan" :heh:

[Faust87]

I really liked this episode, and Mei is so cute, i want to hug her >___<

[Shinigami_Mello]

I enjoyed it, it's doing Justice to this arc thank goodness <3
Though, the toilet seat cover had...so much wasted potential? I remember laughing really hard at it in the VN. Ah well, nonetheless, it was great/

[Sorrow-K]

I'm convinced that the entire point of this episode was to have Inoue Kikuko say "I'm 17 years old". Raise your hands if you replied back "Oi, oi".

The comedy in this episode was good (so much of it was reaction driven, such as the look on Nagisa's face when she got stuck with babysitting dad and the hilarious scene when the girls caught Tomoya-onii-chan with Mei - Ryou dropping her ice-cream just said it all), the art and animation has already been discussed (certainly down on what I usually expect from Clannad) but the thing that I didn't completely get was the drama. Mei was going to all these lengths to try to get Sunohara's attention and in all honesty I didn't understand why. Was she supposed to be just a concerned sister like she said, or was there something more to all of this? There has to be something more, I can't see why Mei would have been so persevering with Sunohara if she was just the concerned sister. But exactly what this "something more" was kinda threw me. They hinted at it with the background scene, but all I really got out of that was that Sunohara used to be a good brother, but then he changed for some reason. Maybe it'll all fit into place once we find out exactly why he changed (we've had hints about it in the past), but Mei's actions are somewhere between being concerned for Sunohara and pining for his attention, and I can't completely explain her actions without going down certain paths that don't fit either character or fit with the themes Clannad has explored so far.

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Sometimes one screenshot can say a hell of a lot. As I've said before, I like the idea of Kyou and Kotomi being friends. It might be a convenience thing, but, I don't know, I just like seeing these two together for some reason. And the fact that they're going around town shopping kinda suggests they're pretty close now. But why not use this opportunity to bring up a completely inane topic that is, for some strange reason, fun to talk about: Clannad fashion. Now, look, I know shit-all about fashion, but these girls look good when they're not in uniform and the sequences in the first season, from eps like 12 and 18, show that they generally go to some effort.

Now Kyou has generally been the leader as far as fashion among the girls is concerned. She rarely looks anything less than classy and stylish and she's never been shown up for dress-sense. Until now. I think it's safe to say that this time, Kotomi is by far the best dressed in that scene. I guess in Kyou's defense they were just going around town so maybe Kotomi's outfit is overkill for the occasion. But geez, you'd be hardpressed not to give Kotomi the prize for fashion this time round. Then again, maybe Kyou's let herself become a little sloppy after she's realized that she can't have Tomoya. Ryou, as usual... looks plain. People have said that she needs to start taking fashion tips from her sister, and I don't disagree.

Wow, what a pointless but oddly fun topic to talk about...

[Bennyswan]

I loved this episode because of Mei..........

Ahaha o_> *slowly walks away*

9/10 good episode! I don't really mind the animation.

[Guardian Enzo]

I understand Sunohara's behavior this ep brings him more in line with his original character from the game, but it doesn't seem to me that the anime earned this transition. Because we never really saw this side of him before, his behavior seems OOC and contrived. You can't just jerk characters around to behave in a way that drives the plot - you have to earn that with hard work and development (at least ideally).

[todkapuz]

ii na?

Sunohara and Mei's story isnt one I actually have gone through... I am actually surprised at how much I am begining to like Mei.... always thought more of her as just a cute face... but it is nice to actually start fleshing out her character a bit... all in all I cant complain, but it really isn't an exceptional episode for me.

[Deathkillz]

This is really...really...getting quite "heavy" on the heart...
In the previous episode I somewhat felt sorry for Sunohara because of the disaster of a relationship Tomoya managed to con him into...but after watching this episode, a part of me feels that he isn't learning from his mistakes at all and continues to dig himself into a deep, deep hole in the ground...

That saying, it felt as if the sudden heaviness of the episode is beginning to take its toll on me as I am left to wonder when it will stop.

Even with the "happy fun scenes" being tossed around throughout the episode, the underlying message and worsening situation is just too hard to mask completely.

Frankly, based on the date scenes at the start, Sunohara should really get some clue on how not to treat a lady. He has Sanae's kindness to thank for because everyone else would have just given him a slap and called him a jerk. I feel that this is a heck of a lot unfair on Sanae too and wish that her "misery" would end soon enough.

Watching the scene where Sunohara completely ignored those kids bullying the little girl was heartbreaking..."are you even human?" was the first thought that crossed my mind upon his reaction. But I do wonder how many people will take action in such a situation given a real life situation so perhaps it was normal? But it is still depressing to think so.

Mei may have a good reason for why she is acting this way at the moment but I'm not entirely convinced. It seems like at first she is just attention seeking and still does in a way but at least she does have an objective to help her brother...I just question why she is going to such extremes to use "hints and suggestions" rather than telling her dumb brother straight off.

Not to mention what limits she has in wanting to help someone, even someone who is apart of her family...surely she is doing way to much for her capabilities and approaching it in a completely wrong way.

I enjoyed this episode being emotional and all, but I'm not sure if this kind of "heavy on the heart" feeling really suits the series. Or maybe it does.

Highlight scene has to be Tomoya getting completely OWNED by Mei. Take that you bastard of a friend :rolleyes:

[SaintessHeart]

This episode is hilarious. Mei-chan is such a spoilt brat. With her kind of looks she is so Loli.

Looks like Tomoya got his reputation ruined as a "paedophile". Now the girls in his class are scared of him.

[Leo_Otaku]

LOL loved the part with Ryou and the girl seeing Tomoya XD Ryou's dropping the cone was priceless! Next ep has more yukine ^-^ yayz

[Falkor]

I understand that after this episode... lolicons/ siscons will lurk in this thread...

oh me raises hand...

there's really nothing wrong if you want Mei for yourself as your little sister...

[Kyuusai]

Since we've seen the likable Sunohara in this continuity, it's a bit tough seeing him like this. I think this is building to a good resolution, though.

As an aside... I enjoy being a big brother in the same way I look forward to being father of a daughter someday. I was struck by the heart-piercing moe-waves given off by Mei with her "oniichan", and I thought I was relating to the character of Tomoya here... momentarily, until I realized how he was taking it, and how the audience was expected to take it. WHERE IS THE INNOCENCE?! (Either way, it was played up a bit too much, but I'd have been pleased with the non-perv implications.)

As another aside (funny how I have more substantial asides than primary comments), there's just something about seeing Kotomi and Kyou together here that makes my heart go pitter-patter. Still no forgiveness for unnecessary character insertion that simply teases us. They may be freed up now that Tomoya is paired with Nagisa, but being free does nothing about the fact that they are fictional, and therefore unattainable. At least they were ever-so-adorable here. Pitter-patter.

Final aside: I intensely disliked the summer uniforms last season. Now I find them quite nice. I wonder what the difference is. Is it just me? Is there some subtle difference in portrayal? Is it just the lack of winter uniforms to compare them to? I've yet to determine.

[SaintessHeart]

oh me raises hand...

there's really nothing wrong if you want Mei for yourself as your little sister...

Paedophile. (although I was tempted to use the more politically correct term Lolicon):D

But yeah, she is cute......

[Fennecus]

Does this mean Yukine's Arc will also be animated?

[MeoTwister5]

Does this mean Yukine's Arc will also be animated?

Episode 2 seems to indicate that it will be. Most likely right after the Sunohara Siblings arc.

For the most part the episode stayed true to it's original form, and thus me likey for that. The game and by extension the episodes are handling it really well. Hopefully the next one, or whichever episode is the last for the Sunoharas, will have the same emotional touch the game had.

Considering it's one of my favorite arcs of the game.:heh:

[Hao]

Great episode! I was quite worried about how they would make the episode, and in the end it was better than what I had been expecting. This episode really had me laughing :D Can't wait to see the ending of Sunohara's arc.

[blitz1/2]

Nagisa has to wreck her brain again to think of a made-up plot XD

The "eeehhhh?!" really reminded me of Arika from Mai Otome.

Yea, Tomoya makes a second Akio. (when the 3 girls were like o_o)

I like how Sunohara's eyes shine every time he says "And a toilet cover."

[Mecha_Trueno]

I intensely disliked the summer uniforms last season. Now I find them quite nice. I wonder what the difference is. Is it just me? Is there some subtle difference in portrayal? Is it just the lack of winter uniforms to compare them to? I've yet to determine.coz of sanae? come on, that MUST be it

[MeoTwister5]

I'm actually expecting a decent chunk of fist meets face violence in episode 4.

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

In the after story trailer do you think Sunohara is the one that got drop by Okazaki.

[wtfftw]

Suno hara is one of my fav chars in this show cuz of how funny he is. He was always represented as the dude who you can laugh about. However I serioulsy dislike how this biasness of the author is to use sunohara for whatever they like. 1st he is just like any other normal shounen character who makes the jokes now he needs to say stuff that totally doenst add up.

Thing is im more shocked by the fact that like 99% of the people here starts to think sunohara is a jerk while the guy who came up with all this is Okazaki. If sunohara did something wrong in this then okazaki is just as wrong. Sunohara is naive and okazaki knows what he is like he can say anything to him and sunohara will do it simply just cuz thats what he is like. I mean we have all seen how much times Sunohara gets beat up by Tomoyo.

Now that sunohara is off track In my opinion its okazaki fault because HE was the one to come up withthis in the first place while he was laughing at the back saying to sunohara what he should. So okazaki should just clean up his mess in a decent manner

and to be honest Mei saying i wish you were my brother is for me really disrespectful. You dont say that about family imo Its really something that you should never say. I mean i bet everyone here would like dislike sunohara for saying i wish i had a sister like nagisa. Cuz she wouldnt stick to me so much when nagisa and mei are in his room. Same way i dont like the crap she just said.

[rave_master16]

Suno hara is one of my fav chars in this show cuz of how funny he is. He was always represented as the dude who you can laugh about. However I serioulsy dislike how this biasness of the author is to use sunohara for whatever they like. 1st he is just like any other normal shounen character who makes the jokes now he needs to say stuff that totally doenst add up.

Thing is im more shocked by the fact that like 99% of the people here starts to think sunohara is a jerk while the guy who came up with all this is Okazaki. If sunohara did something wrong in this then okazaki is just as wrong. Sunohara is naive and okazaki knows what he is like he can say anything to him and sunohara will do it simply just cuz thats what he is like. I mean we have all seen how much times Sunohara gets beat up by Tomoyo.

Now that sunohara is off track In my opinion its okazaki fault because HE was the one to come up withthis in the first place while he was laughing at the back saying to sunohara what he should. So okazaki should just clean up his mess in a decent manner

and to be honest Mei saying i wish you were my brother is for me really disrespectful. You dont say that about family imo Its really something that you should never say. I mean i bet everyone here would like dislike sunohara for saying i wish i had a sister like nagisa. Cuz she wouldnt stick to me so much when nagisa and mei are in his room. Same way i dont like the crap she just said.

LOL A Sunohara fanboy came.... I don't know but Okazaki is just helping Mei and Youhei to get back again as brother and sister... It's like you're blaming someone who is trying to help you..
and about Mei, did she ever said the bold one? .... Mei is helping her brother and always with him even though he's hopeless.... And about Youhei, he's actually a good guy but the way he express his feelings are bad... He's not honest enough maybe because of he's life now....
By the way, he's the one who said to Okazaki about her sister's problem... So they come up with the date plan.... but somehow Youhei got excited to Sanae's kindness....(That's why Nagisa said the plan took an opposite effect...
BTW my friend, hope you check your grammar.. Can't understand some words you just said...

[Dark Faith]

Brilliant episode. Loved the mix of drama and comedy...although the comedic part was pure brilliance. Okazaki's a lolicon, mwahah. Ryou's cone dropping was priceless as well.
I do hope Sunohara gets his act together though... I never thought anyone could be so clueless

[Solafighter]

Awsome episode! :)

Cant wait for the next one. :D

Probobly without noticing, Okazaki gets the best ideas in a very short time. To act to be the boyfriend of Mei. Brilliant. :heh:

[Taiyakikung]

Maybe it's only my delusion.Mei's face looks like those of lucky star characters in many scenes.
I've played Chaos;Head tooo much=__=.

[wtfftw]

LOL A Sunohara fanboy came.... I don't know but Okazaki is just helping Mei and Youhei to get back again as brother and sister... It's like you're blaming someone who is trying to help you..
and about Mei, did she ever said the bold one? .... Mei is helping her brother and always with him even though he's hopeless.... And about Youhei, he's actually a good guy but the way he express his feelings are bad... He's not honest enough maybe because of he's life now....
By the way, he's the one who said to Okazaki about her sister's problem... So they come up with the date plan.... but somehow Youhei got excited to Sanae's kindness....(That's why Nagisa said the plan took an opposite effect...
BTW my friend, hope you check your grammar.. Can't understand some words you just said...Dude please save me the grammar BS ok. Cuz there aint nothing wrong it as your trying to portray it. I could pretty much say the same about your post.

For the rest of your post

1 it didnt start with sunohara telling okazaki about "her" sister problem. It was rather okazako telling how mei was worried about sunohara.
2 This is the Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 03 thread. Yet you dare ask me if she said the bold part i wish you were my brother. Obviously your Blinded by your Fanboy or Fangirl-ism because if you werent such a okazako fan you would have at least heard what the hell was being said or wouldn't mix stuff up.
3 They did not come up with a date plan. It was okazako telling why what sunohara should do and convincing him with lies/jokes (whatever you wanna call them) on that it would work because I cant remember sunohara saying he was getting annoyed with Mei being around. It didnt start out like that. Sunohara said something about a GF then his sister would be reassured (Based on what okazako said) and if you watch the next panel youll see sunohara basically was being sarcastic or being funny about the GF part. Then Okazako is like telling him IT would work. I mean Suno even was like will that even work? Sunohara didnt say we SHOULD do it. It was just something that came out of his empty head.

SO please DO not change stuff into what it is not

Bottom line is for okazaki this is just for the fun as nagisa said like sunohara is always there to make fun of/with.

For the rest of the matter yes Sunohara is good guy. I think me and 2 other been saying that we dont really get how in this ep its being changed to a complete different Sunohara since this one is completely different from the previous one.

So BTW my friend best thing for you is to check your grammar and re watch ep 2 and 3 so you actually know whats is said and is going on because obviously you do not know what i was talking about seeing how you been saying stuff that didnt happen in the 1st place...........................

[Klashikari]

Suno hara is one of my fav chars in this show cuz of how funny he is. He was always represented as the dude who you can laugh about. However I serioulsy dislike how this biasness of the author is to use sunohara for whatever they like. 1st he is just like any other normal shounen character who makes the jokes now he needs to say stuff that totally doenst add up.
The source material of this character was already like that. Plus, as explained latter, there is absolutely no way to consider his antics as "jokes" only. Even if they are slapstick and comedic effects, it doesn't negate the fact that Youhei is not exactly the gentle type of guy. So basically speaking, it would rather look like it is your bias as you like his character.
Thing is im more shocked by the fact that like 99% of the people here starts to think sunohara is a jerk while the guy who came up with all this is Okazaki. If sunohara did something wrong in this then okazaki is just as wrong. Sunohara is naive and okazaki knows what he is like he can say anything to him and sunohara will do it simply just cuz thats what he is like. I mean we have all seen how much times Sunohara gets beat up by Tomoyo. I don't think that people say that Tomoya is white innocent compared to Youhei. Objectively speaking, Tomoya is often the origins of the troubles, while Youhei is the concrete vector of such troubles.
Now, the real deal is that the difference between their responsabilities are clear different: what would happen if someone not as naive as Youhei was to listen to Tomoya? Things wouldn't happen. Of course, it doesn't make Tomoya irrelevant to the troubles, but things are more towards youhei than anything else.
Now that sunohara is off track In my opinion its okazaki fault because HE was the one to come up withthis in the first place while he was laughing at the back saying to sunohara what he should. So okazaki should just clean up his mess in a decent mannerThis is the very reason that Tomoya never blamed Youhei in this episode. He was actually trying to fix the problems so Youhei would understand the backbone issue here. However, it didn't work and Youhei is astray in his fantasies despite there are huge troubles.

and to be honest Mei saying i wish you were my brother is for me really disrespectful. You dont say that about family imo Its really something that you should never say. I mean i bet everyone here would like dislike sunohara for saying i wish i had a sister like nagisa. Cuz she wouldnt stick to me so much when nagisa and mei are in his room. Same way i dont like the crap she just said.You are taking the line wayyy too much on the very first degree. Mei did not want to have Tomoya instead of Youhei as a proxy. Another fact is that if she really mean it, why does she continue into trying to knock some sense in youhei?
As far as you can tell, Mei did not imply that "Tomoya > Youhei", or else, she would completely forsake her brother. Yet, because Tomoya is how he is, she would have liked (in a resigned and realistic way) that he could be her brother, not meaning: please change your name, etc.

Dude please save me the grammar BS ok. Cuz there aint nothing wrong it as your trying to portray it. I could pretty much say the same about your post.
I'm sorry, but albeit rave master abuses some of the punctation, he actually uses proper spelling etc. Please at least take some comment without jumping on your high horses.
1 it didnt start with sunohara telling okazaki about "her" sister problem. It was rather okazako telling how mei was worried about sunohara.Indeed, and it is revealed that Youhei doesn't have any clue about that, due his reaction.
2 This is the Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 03 thread. Yet you dare ask me if she said the bold part i wish you were my brother. Obviously your Blinded by your Fanboy or Fangirl-ism because if you werent such a okazako fan you would have at least heard what the hell was being said or wouldn't mix stuff up. Please play nice, will you?
3 They did not come up with a date plan. It was okazako telling why what sunohara should do and convincing him with lies/jokes (whatever you wanna call them) on that it would work because I cant remember sunohara saying he was getting annoyed with Mei being around. It didnt start out like that. Sunohara said something about a GF then his sister would be reassured (Based on what okazako said) and if you watch the next panel youll see sunohara basically was being sarcastic or being funny about the GF part. Then Okazako is like telling him IT would work. I mean Suno even was like will that even work? Sunohara didnt say we SHOULD do it. It was just something that came out of his empty head. That's absolutely the opposite. He was not being sarcastic and that's what he actually thought. The thing is that Youhei was not convinced with the "FAKE" part of it, that Tomoya planned. Youhei is definitely desesperate to have a girlfriend: that is pretty clear from season 1, and how he is actually pumped to get Sanae's heart despite he KNOWS it is an act.

For the rest of the matter yes Sunohara is good guy. I think me and 2 other been saying that we dont really get how in this ep its being changed to a complete different Sunohara since this one is completely different from the previous one.Youhei was always like that: not so sensitive to people's feelings, except rare occasions where things were not exactly good looking (namely: when nagisa is about to give up her dream).
As explained before, Youhei is quite dishonest and not really confident. The scene of the phone call and when he was leaving both Tomoya and Mei in a very dazed state demonstrate how he is actually not so cool about himself.

The biggest problem with Youhei is the fact that he is not really sensitive and can go completely nuts for trivial matters, despite there are more urgent matters right now.
He is nothing different to the youhei who is actually talking behind the back of Kyou and Tomoyo and even picking fights with people etc.
This is only the side he is showing and used to, and now that he has something he can grasps, it isn't even surprising for him to go all for it.

[Celestial]

I agree, because I don't see any real reasons for cutting their budget too. And KyoAni is also a well-known studio for it's animation quality.

*Points to Haruhi S2*

I wonder...

Anyway, just watched the episode. Moe imouto is epic win <3 :D

[rave_master16]

For wtfftw, well I really can't understand some of your points. Maybe because I'm dumb or got memory lost after reading your post.
I'm not changing the stuff, I'm just clarifying things because of your post. That's why I asked you if Mei did that "if you were my brother" thing.
And I'm not an Okazaki fanboy either. BTW It's Okazaki not Okazako
Though about you're bottom line:
They didn't expect that Sunohara would do things like that. Mei said it isn't like his brother anymore. So we can say Youhei got some faults too.
And to what you said Sunohara didnt say we SHOULD do it. It was just something that came out of his empty head.
Impliedly, he got along with the plan and got too much involve with the "fake girlfriend" plan.
Hope you are satisfied with my grammar in this post. ~Sigh~
BTW Klashikari, thanks for praising. I'll take it as a compliment. ^_^

[ayu]

lol, demotivational posters of the episode...
http://noviceotaku.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/animemotivationalposter21.jpg?w=510&h=408
http://noviceotaku.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/animemotivationalposter201.jpg?w=510&h=408
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4025/poster646425692288057ch3.jpg

[rave_master16]

lol, demotivational posters of the episode...
http://noviceotaku.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/animemotivationalposter21.jpg?w=510&h=408
http://noviceotaku.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/animemotivationalposter201.jpg?w=510&h=408
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4025/poster646425692288057ch3.jpg

I lol'd I'll give you some cookies. You better post it in the images thread.:D

[wtfftw]

The source material of this character was already like that. Plus, as explained latter, there is absolutely no way to consider his antics as "jokes" only. Even if they are slapstick and comedic effects, it doesn't negate the fact that Youhei is not exactly the gentle type of guy. So basically speaking, it would rather look like it is your bias as you like his character.the source material? Sunohara has always been there as the funny dude of the show nothing more nothing less. I never said he is a jesus-gentle-type of guy? I just said he is that funny dude of the show. So please dont say, I said he was gentle. Saying im biased is funny. I mean I dont think its cool good how sunohara acts, now that he is with sanea (because he actually things its his real GF). Thats the point of me saying that the way he is depicted now is completely different from what it used to be. Or show me that he always was like this now that he and sanea are together.

I don't think that people say that Tomoya is white innocent compared to Youhei. Objectively speaking, Tomoya is often the origins of the troubles, while Youhei is the concrete vector of such troubles.
Now, the real deal is that the difference between their responsabilities are clear different: what would happen if someone not as naive as Youhei was to listen to Tomoya? Things wouldn't happen. Of course, it doesn't make Tomoya irrelevant to the troubles, but things are more towards youhei than anything else.i didnt say he was innocent either im just saying that blaming sunohara while not seeing the source of the problem is being bias seeing how that other dude responded its pretty obvious isnt it. NOR do i condone how sunohara acts

This is the very reason that Tomoya never blamed Youhei in this episode. He was actually trying to fix the problems so Youhei would understand the backbone issue here. However, it didn't work and Youhei is astray in his fantasies despite there are huge troubles.well obviously okazako way of fixing thing with regards to sunohara isnt something i really have high hopes in. Since he was the one to start all this mess.

Further more i dont understand why you even quoted this part This part doenst even have a purpose

You are taking the line wayyy too much on the very first degree. Mei did not want to have Tomoya instead of Youhei as a proxy. Another fact is that if she really mean it, why does she continue into trying to knock some sense in youhei?
As far as you can tell, Mei did not imply that "Tomoya > Youhei", or else, she would completely forsake her brother. Yet, because Tomoya is how he is, she would have liked (in a resigned and realistic way) that he could be her brother, not meaning: please change your name, etc.Its not about whether or not she wants okazako or not. Thats obviously not the point of my post. Its about it being said. Words can still hurt people's feelings. Do you know how much it would hurt your moms feelings if you would say i wish i had a different mom when you and your mom had a dispute. If okazako was a decent guy he would at least tell her not to say those things. For the rest of the part i didnt feel like reading it cuz its just a different point of view that we have i geuss

I'm sorry, but albeit rave master abuses some of the punctation, he actually uses proper spelling etc. Please at least take some comment without jumping on your high horses.It aint a comment but trying to be funny because if you actually read his and my post carefully you would know we are talking about grammer here and not spelling


Indeed, and it is revealed that Youhei doesn't have any clue about that, due his reaction.Yes, i know that already no point in telling me tell rave that.


Please play nice, will you?I am dude im merely stating that you should at least reserve comments as fan boy while im not his fan boy. Considering rave obviously hasnt watch the ep properly is why he is saying this


That's absolutely the opposite. He was not being sarcastic and that's what he actually thought. The thing is that Youhei was not convinced with the "FAKE" part of it, that Tomoya planned. Youhei is definitely desesperate to have a girlfriend: that is pretty clear from season 1, and how he is actually pumped to get Sanae's heart despite he KNOWS it is an act.your taking this out of proportion seeing how you quote stuff that isnt even necessary to quote They didnt plan this as in how rave points it out. SUNOHARA is like HUH when okazako is pushing? Sunohara just said something out of the blue then okazako is using it and abusing the fact that sunohara is naive. Thats all im gonna say about this part.

Whether it was sarcastic/Cynicism/a joke/a-thought-him-wanting-a-girl is aside from the point is that sunohara did not PLAN it together with okazako as you agreed on in point 1

Youhei was always like that: not so sensitive to people's feelings, except rare occasions where things were not exactly good looking (namely: when nagisa is about to give up her dream).
As explained before, Youhei is quite dishonest and not really confident. The scene of the phone call and when he was leaving both Tomoya and Mei in a very dazed state demonstrate how he is actually not so cool about himself.

The biggest problem with Youhei is the fact that he is not really sensitive and can go completely nuts for trivial matters, despite there are more urgent matters right now.
He is nothing different to the youhei who is actually talking behind the back of Kyou and Tomoyo and even picking fights with people etc.
This is only the side he is showing and used to, and now that he has something he can grasps, it isn't even surprising for him to go all for it.you see the sunohara where he obviously is used as the funny dude of the show as the same guy we see now i dont difference of opinion. Obviously there is a difference in sunohara with a GF and without for you they are the same for me they are not.


BTW your taking this way out of proportion seeing how you qoute every part im not gonna do this yet again cuz its troublesome

For wtfftw, well I really can't understand some of your points. Maybe because I'm dumb or got memory lost after reading your post.
I'm not changing the stuff, I'm just clarifying things because of your post. That's why I asked you if Mei did that "if you were my brother" thing.
And I'm not an Okazaki fanboy either. BTW It's Okazaki not Okazako
Though about you're bottom line:
They didn't expect that Sunohara would do things like that. Mei said it isn't like his brother anymore. So we can say Youhei got some faults too.
And to what you said
Impliedly, he got along with the plan and got too much involve with the "fake girlfriend" plan.
Hope you are satisfied with my grammar in this post. ~Sigh~
BTW Klashikari, thanks for praising. I'll take it as a compliment. ^_^The reason why you cant understand them is because you probably watched it halved assed or the 1st part of your 2 options.

Seriously you dont need to clarify stuff for me when you dont even remember what is being said. Im not sayin g this to be rude but i honestly believe that. How can you even know what im talking about when things that have been said you dont remember or know what im talking about, then think its a grammar issue?

Ok so in the future dont start off with saying people are "fanboys" of characters. I just like his character thats it, I like okazako too but im being realistic here instead of bashing 1 char cuz we get a 1 point of view story.

I know its okazaki just like saying okazako

ANd yes about the mei saying thats it isn't like his brother anymore

1 why i dont get anything what kashi said concerning me saying this sunohara is different from the usual
2 and i agree with you on that he has faults. The fact that he is all into sanea is for me like dude omg thats lame. So please try to tell that to kashi

Why would you even bring something so lame as "grammar" issues in a discussion while you have some minor one in your posts too. I mean please in the future just stick to the topics of the story?

[minhtam1638]

too much text

Oye, I only caught a few words here or there, and I do respect your opinions, but please be careful of how you express them. You're arguing with a reputable moderator here.

[rave_master16]

the source material? Sunohara has always been there as the funny dude of the show nothing more nothing less. I never said he is a jesus-gentle-type of guy? I just said he is that funny dude of the show. So please dont say, I said he was gentle. Saying im biased is funny. I mean I dont think its cool good how sunohara acts, now that he is with sanea (because he actually things its his real GF). Thats the point of me saying that the way he is depicted now is completely different from what it used to be. Or show me that he always was like this now that he and sanea are together.

i didnt say he was innocent either im just saying that blaming sunohara while not seeing the source of the problem is being bias seeing how that other dude responded its pretty obvious isnt it. NOR do i condone how sunohara acts

well obviously okazako way of fixing thing with regards to sunohara isnt soemthing i really have high hoped in. Since he was the one to start all this mess.

Further more i dont understand why you even quoted this part This part doenst even have a purpose

Its not about whether or not she wants okazako or not. Thats obviously not the point of my post. Its about it being said. Words can still hurt people's feelings. Do you know how much it would hurt your moms feelings if you would say i wish i had a different mom when you and your mom had a dispute. If okazako was a decent guy he would at least tell her not to say those things. For the rest of the part i didnt feel like reading it cuz its just a different point of view that we have i geuss

It aint a comment but trying to be funny because if you actually read his and my post carefully you would know we are talking about grammer here and not spelling

Yes, i know that already no point in telling me tell rave that.

I am dude im merely stating that you should at least reserve comments as fan boy while im not his fan boy. Considering rave obviously hasnt watch the ep properly

your taking this out of proportion seeing how you quote stuff that isnt even necessary to quote They didnt plan this as in how rave points it out. SUNOHARA is like HUH when okazako is pushing? Sunohara just said something out of the blue then okazako is using it and abusing the fact that sunohara is naive. Thats all im gonna say about this part.

Whether it was sarcastic/Cynicism/a joke/a-thought-him-wanting-a-girl is aside from the point is that sunohara did not PLAN it together with okazako as you agreed on in point 1

you see the sunohara where he obviously is used as the funny dude of the show as the same guy we see now i dont difference of opinion. Obviously there is a difference in sunohara with a GF and without for you they are the same for me they are not.


BTW your taking this way out of proportion seeing how you qoute every part im not gonna do this yet again cuz its troublesome

He quotes it to emphasize every argument you said. It's a common thing in forums. :D Better watch again the episode you said. Though I still disagree about Sunohara didn't know Okazaki's plan. And if you think Sunohara is too naive, then why didn't he learn from Okazaki's past antics.
And friend I just bolded your wrong texts.

Why I'm bringing this up is to help you to check your post because I can't understand some. It causes a lot of misunderstandings. Take it as an advice my friend.

[Klashikari]

the source material? Sunohara has always been there as the funny dude of the show nothing more nothing less. I never said he is a jesus-gentle-type of guy? I just said he is that funny dude of the show. So please dont say, I said he was gentle. Saying im biased is funny. I mean I dont think its cool good how sunohara acts, now that he is with sanea (because he actually things its his real GF). Thats the point of me saying that the way he is depicted now is completely different from what it used to be. Or show me that he always was like this now that he and sanea are together.
I never said you implied that he was gentle or anything. The thing is that you are solely basing your reasoning on the "funny side" of Youhei despite the fact the basis of the slapstick and the jokes are not exactly that commendable. As far as I like his character (as he is one of the pillar of the humor and some of the best development of the game), he is however completely clueless and pretty much egocentric to say the least.
This is where my reasoning stands for: Youhei has a huge problem to deal with what he wants.

Now, I never said he was always like that, but it not far fetched considering his usual mindset and his desires so to speak.
How come it is that surprising to see him only focusing on Sanae, neglecting the kids and Mei, while he was just treating Tomoyo like a "man" or Kyou like a "gorilla", because of his chauvinism?
The later was a big portion of the comedy, but it did reflects his opinion of usual matters (preferring fighting instead of discussing with people for a trouble (Drama club VS the chore club), looking down on girls as guys are supposed to be stronger etc).

The bias was actually referring to your comment that the producers are actually using theirs to shape his character, despite he is already like that to begin with. Whilst he wasn't that inconsiderate in season 1, now that he has the opportunity to get what he wants, it sure doesn't exactly worth troubling with the rest.
This is the very reason why he is so negligent, however, there are more reasons why Youhei is completley ignoring Mei, which will be unfolded later.

Further more i dont understand why you even quoted this part This part doenst even have a purpose
I quoted this part because you claimed that it was Tomoya's fault for this mess and that he should use a decent matter to fix it. That's why i answered: he actually did thorough the damn episode.
Its not about whether or not she wants okazako or not. Thats obviously not the point of my post. Its about it being said. Words can still hurt people's feelings. Do you know how much it would hurt your moms feelings if you would say i wish i had a different mom when you and your mom had a dispute. If okazako was a decent guy he would at least tell her not to say those things. For the rest of the part i didnt feel like reading it cuz its just a different point of view that we have i geuss
There are also circumstances. From starters, Despite Mei often uses "how helpless you are" to Youhei, she never said that she hated him nor she wanted someone else. Circumstances here demonstrate that she is saying this as a token of appreciation to Tomoya for his efforts in comforting Mei in her hard task, nothing past this point.

This is the very reason it doesn't affect Tomoya much, because she does not maliciously asks him to take Youhei's place. She never compared him with Youhei etc. This is why it isn't even an upsetting remark to begin with.
your taking this out of proportion seeing how you quote stuff that isnt even necessary to quote They didnt plan this as in how rave points it out. SUNOHARA is like HUH when okazako is pushing? Sunohara just said something out of the blue then okazako is using it and abusing the fact that sunohara is naive. Thats all im gonna say about this part.

Whether it was sarcastic/Cynicism/a joke/a-thought-him-wanting-a-girl is aside from the point is that sunohara did not PLAN it together with okazako as you agreed on in point 1
Out of proportions? Except the fact that Youhei was actually baited by the said opportunity. Youhei did not do that so Mei can leave him in peace. His naiveness was the cause of it with Tomoya's silly suggestion, yet he DID want a girlfriend, and it isn't the first time.

The fact Youhei planned it or not is irrelevant to the discussion. The fact he wanted that after Tomoya's explanations was the key. Youhei was not so pumped up, because of the "fake" aspect of the plan, yet when Tomoya said he could charm the fake girlfriend and engage with her for real, he went nuts at that very moment. That pretty much demonstrates he was NOT joking about it, especially how he goes overboard "for sanae's sake".

you see the sunohara where he obviously is used as the funny dude of the show as the same guy we see now i dont difference of opinion. Obviously there is a difference in sunohara with a GF and without for you they are the same for me they are not.

BTW your taking this way out of proportion seeing how you qoute every part im not gonna do this yet again cuz its troublesome
I never said they are the same. I said the change IS normal considering his character build from the very start. Some characters don't show all their sides until specific circumstances etc. They are not 1 dimensional or whatsoever, and Youhei is no exception to that. that's the reason why i'm replying as you believe Youhei should only be the funny dude, despite he has more depth than that and his "jerk" side isn't exactly for show.

And no, you didn't exactly get my method of answer. I always answer in quotes so I can give a proper answer or opinion to a said quoted part, for a more focused and easier discussion than a wall of text without much things to relate to directly. That is nothing about overboard or whatsoever.

[wtfftw]

Oye, I only caught a few words here or there, and I do respect your opinions, but please be careful of how you express them. You're arguing with a reputable moderator here.
yeah thnx but reason why i'm a bit pissed is that i get a bait comment thrown at me as fanboy.

He quotes it to emphasize every argument you said. It's a common thing in forums. :D Better watch again the episode you said. Though I still disagree about Sunohara didn't know Okazaki's plan. And if you think Sunohara is too naive, then why didn't he learn from Okazaki's past antics.
And friend I just bolded your wrong texts.

Why I'm bringing this up is to help you to check your post because I can't understand some. It causes a lot of misunderstandings. Take it as an advice my friend.
but rave every part its like OMG:upset:

what I'm trying to say is that okazako comes up with Mei being concerned then Sunohara is like wuhahahha a lol if i had a GF she probably would stay away. then Okazako is like yeah that's next you know you have Sunohara looking at Okazako like :confused:HUH what when Okazako is pushing it to actually do as Sunohara said while Sunohara wasn't being serious. Then he (Okazako) explains HOW Sunohara can do it and Sunohara falls for.

I mean the ep. starts with Okazako telling what Sunohara should say. Sunohara does it that's how it always has been. So i don't take Sunohara much in account for this as i do with Okazako.

I will buddy ill just edit it :S lol i was editing it so i did some you didn't see then i was in kashi quotes removing mistakes so i was like meh nvm it.

[Julius Firefocht]

The Mei love is strong with this one.

I was practically having the same reactions as Sunohara when Mei launched the Onii-chan attacks.

Its like Yukari Tamura bullying Nakamura Yuuichi in the recording studio.

[Shinigami_Mello]

Sunohara or Tomoya? xD
A little slip up there? But yes, Mei is adorable. Onii-chan~!

[kimchipride]

I love Mei's voice

[Ruhisu]

Ano ne! Onii-chan! :love:

[lilkirby]

Enough said
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8638/assgi7.jpg

[monir]

Very good break-down of Youhei's character, Klash. The frustrating part about this show is that it's so archaic. When the fluidity is interrupted, a show will reach less people with the message it's trying to convey.

[rave_master16]

Very good break-down of Youhei's character, Klash. The frustrating part about this show is that it's so archaic. When the fulidity is interrupted, a show will reach less people with the message it's trying to convey.

That's because one week of time is a lot of waiting. It's too excruciating that I had memory loss.

[X207]

lol mei really did some damage with the ohichan attacks. imo they make good siblings if that was the reality. sunohara really did deserve that provocation :) i sure hope he learns from that and stops being an a-hole. i do feel sorr for nagisa, she had her mother "stolen" from her then her tomoya. i wonder wat the twins an kotomi will think when the ruse is exposed.

[typhonsentra]

Hate hate hate hate the events of this episode, both Tomoya and Sunohara are despicable. Tomoya for letting his friend go this far without telling him the truth and Sunohara for turning into a total scumbag. Who the hell would let his sister do something like that without a fuss?

The scene with Ryou, Kyou, and Kotomi was hilarious though.

[JaoJao]

Wow, very emotional episode I'd have to say. After watching this episode, I kind of feel bad for Youhei. Its apparent that something happened to him that made him act like the way he does. I hope the anime can make it clear on what exactly happened to him. Next ep: Youhei VS Okazaki =) I kinda hope Youhei wins. xD

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

I think Okazaki will pwn Sunohara if he is the one in the trailer :heh:

[Ruezu]

Ano ne! Onii-chan! :love:

Yes yes, that was so cute ^_^

[Guardian Enzo]

Those of you with background experience with the material are the ones saying "Sunohara was always like that", et al. Well, no he wasn't - not in the anime, anyway. And the producers are trying to have it both ways by artificially manipulating the character to suit the contrivances of the plot. I guess it boils down to who the anime is written for - the general anime-viewing public, of "members only" Clannad fans.

[Proto]

Remember when he forced Tomoyo into going through a zone full of vandals that knew her from her delinquent days, just for the kicks? Or when he was trying to bully Fuuko when they just met? Or when she disregarded Nagisa as just someone to have fun with at the start of the series, and pseudo laughed at Tomoya for trying to help her.

True, his jerk side was watered down in the anime series, but he was always shown to be someone who could only have one thing in his mind. Right now, that thing is Sanae. *Maybe* his actions will become a little more comprehensible for some next episode.

Moreover, we have to consider to in real life that a person is nice or is shown to have good judgement of other people's situations does not means that the same will apply for his own life. People lose perspective of what is important when it is too close to one.

[Klashikari]

- not in the anime, anyway.
Now, I believe that repeating would be a mindless chore but...
The bottom line was not the fact that Youhei was always acting like this. However, his personality and background are origin of such situation which is normal considering how he is not exactly your goody 2 shoes.
And the game background confirms it: not that he was acting like that all the time mind you, but his goofy funny side is actually taking its basis on a more dark and selfish side. The game had the VERY SAME treatment: Youhei was acting like an idiot for comic relief, but really goes into jackass mode in the sunohara siblings route. And it is "normal" in the sense that he was never selfless to begin with.

I really don't want to do that, bit I guess i have to invite all skeptic people to watch back season 1 and actually pay attention for whatever reasons Youhei is starting some commotion: let's leave the usual "Tomoya manipulated him" and pay attention to WHY is doing so (why he is challenging Tomoyo, why he is talking behind the back of Kyou, etc).
In the CONTEXT of anime, it is funny. But I dare ask anyone to tell me if it is FUNNY to actually look down on girls and insinuating they used their body or whatever to be popular etc. He is hardly full of tact and has quite not your usual "gentle" mindset.
The biggest example was quote several time and proto said it again: Youhei trying to perform his revenge in a sly way and forcing Tomoyo to go through the past she obviously don't want to dig in... just by paying some visit to the punks she dealt with before, "coincidentally" passing by, which turned into the next problem, leading to Tomoya being expulsed.
Yet, he never felt guilty about it and Tomoya had to save his ass with that café excuse for friendship. Not like it was all severe, but it does show that he is not sensitive, except few occasions.

He is the type of guy acting based on the possible interest for him, except rare exceptions (such like helping Nagisa against Sugisaka's plea for Rie).

[monir]

I guess it boild down to who the anime is written for - the general anime-viewing public, or "members only" Clannad fans.
Precisely! Very well said.

edit:

Klash: The argument isn't about if Youhei was or wasn't a selfish prick, but rather, how he has been portrayed in the anime. The perspective the game players demonstrate for his character doesn't seem to have been conveyed to such extent in the anime adaptation. That is pretty much the basis of the argument for anyone who has been watching the anime adaptation without associating any experience/perspective gained from the game. A decent tansition between the roles a character demonstrate is the key factor and the show hasn't been very good about in that respect.

[Guardian Enzo]

Precisely! Very well said.

Except for the typo! :heh::heh::heh:

[Proto]

I'd argue that while KyoAni didn't have the space to adapt every single detail and line from the original script, the Anime is pretty self contained. Sure, maybe there will be some parts where you will have to read the underlying context instead of having it typed out for you, but other than that it is ok.

[Klashikari]

Klash: The argument isn't about if Youhei was or wasn't a selfish prick, but rather, how he has been portrayed in the anime. The perspective the game players demonstrate for his character doesn't seem to have been conveyed to such extent in the anime adaptation. That is pretty much the basis of the argument for anyone who has been watching the anime adaptation without associating any experience/perspective gained from the game. Transition between the roles a character demonstrate is the key factor and the show hasn't been very good about that aspect.
I'm aware of this, this is the reason why I put only the perspective of anime watching in the recent answers I made.
Putting the game in the argument just confirm that the SAME process was made in the game, which means it wasn't fault from the producers, but was inherent of the storytelling of the original source.

Now, I believe that the underneath issue is rather how the details are too easely overlooked due the circumstances and execution (most people only retain Youhei as the usual "funny sandbag" and the rare "manly" sides). That is then rather a difference of interpretation than really anything else, in my opinion.
I will not pretend that I thought these scenes before as "what a jerk" at first. Like anyone, it was either repetitive or a good laugh. Yet, looking back at his whole list of deeds anime wise, I can't conclude it was all that pink and fluffy if we take only the essence of such scenes.

[Ice Block]

I don't post much but, come on...
the source material? Sunohara has always been there as the funny dude of the show nothing more nothing less.

Aiyooo la. Are you sure you wanna talk about the source material? Hey, hey, do you even know anything about the Clannad VN? I can pretty much guess from your previous posts that you know nothing. Nothing at all.

Do you know how much it would hurt your moms feelings if you would say i wish i had a different mom when you and your mom had a dispute.?
Yes I do, and believe me, it doesn't hurt that much, unless you're some overprotective parent.

Also, if you wanna judge his character based on the anime only, then please take all his comedic scenes as if they were serious business, plot-moving, character development scenes. I mean, man, Sunohara's a great character -- but what makes him as such are his faults and values which will be heavily touched upon in this route. ;)

[Shinigami_Mello]

They say you see different sides of a character depending on the situation he's placed in.
And thats the same here. And he has done jerkish things in the anime too as Proto said.
I like Sunohara as much as the next person, but he really CAN be a jerk.

[monir]

I'm aware of this, this is the reason why I put only the perspective of anime watching in the recent answers I made.
Putting the game in the argument just confirm that the SAME process was made in the game, which means it wasn't fault from the producers, but was inherent of the storytelling of the original source.
I agree with you on this 100% percent. KoyAni is very faithful to the original script when it comes to anime adaptation. They don't tend to take liberites with a laid out scripts. Kanon was very good, and so was Air. And yet, as an anime-viewer, I think they could have taken a few liberties with Clannad to expand the show's demograpic. I've already seen the movie for Clannad, so I'm very much aware of how good this script is when it is told in a concise manner. The archaic mode of telling this story is hurting this show's chance to resonate with many casual-fans to understand the core message the show is driving toward.

Now, I believe that the underneath issue is rather how the details are too easely overlooked due the circumstances and execution (most people only retain Youhei as the usual "funny sandbag" and the rare "manly" sides).
Fortunately, that's not the case for everyone. If I may speak for myself, Sunohara's personality became crystal clear when he wanted to fight those girls over the engeki club rather than talking. At that point in time, it became pretty apparent that his thought process are pretty limited.

[Klashikari]

And yet, as an anime-viewer, I think they could have taken a few liberties with Clannad to expand the show's demograpic. I've already seen the movie for Clannad, so I'm very much aware of how good this script is when it is told in a concise manner. The archaic mode of telling this story is hurting this show's chance to resonate with many casual-fans to understand the core message the show is driving toward.
I begin to understand the problem here (from your point of view, that is). Yet I think it is quite too bad actually because the movie is so cramped and based on the true After Story (we are STILL in the original school life portion in fact), that you can't expect the same storytelling for something as... five/six times bigger in term of content.

I understand the problem is that the story telling is far more linear, especially that with the gap between the 2 seasons, it didn't help much to relate in some events or so. Yet, I think it was rather the best way not to actually make the "progress" and "development" in vain. Should it require to use a special transition each time, despite the development was already setup over the courses of the episodes outside of the ongoing arc, it will just renders the previous events null and void.
It is certainly lacking of impact, but considering the size of clannad, there isn't much to do or it would have a really big segmented impression (Kanon had a bit of this syndrome so to speak, and Air was terribly affected by that). For instance, Nagisa's development was really step by step and over the course of the first half of season 1. Currently, she might look "as she is before", but comparing her now with episode 1 would be a huge slap on the face (and it is still not done yet).

It is pretty much like what Rave master said: the momentum break we got each week, plus de gap between both season just dealt a negative impact on the "progressive" storytelling, which is unfortunately impossible to avoid.
The only possible way to avoid that issue would have been Nagisa's arc alone + After story cramped into 24 episodes. And as you might expect, it wouldn't exactly give the whole story as the original author would have liked.

It is ironically "no one's fault" here, as the storytelling (inherent from the size and original way) require the "classic way" as well as past AND subsequent events fresh in mind, which is not really so good with the media used here (in contrast with the VN structure).

[phishn37]

Just finished ep 3...
CLANNAD doesn't usually make me roll my eyes at overdone drama, but this episode had me doing it all the time. The premise just seems kind of dumb. I expected this from that once-a-season cheaply-animated moe dribble, but not from a show of this quality. I hope that the other arcs are more genuine.

[destiny4everlove]

Episode 3

- For a moment there I really thought Mei was going to recognize Sanae.

-Wow! Sunohara sure is the jealous type; he was even jealous of Mei hugging Sanae.

-Sunohara playing “the fish” was so funny!! :heh:

-I like Sunohara, I think he’s very funny... but I didn’t like how he didn’t stop those horrible boys from picking on that little girl and then how he was so reluctant to help those lost kids. :upset: Good thing Sanae was there. :)

-Loved the scene when the big brother defended her little sister from those bullies! That was so sweet!! http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/007_.gif

-This is not good at all http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/031_.gif; Sunohara seriously fell in love with Sanae. This is not good at all!!!http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/006_.gif

-Mei is so mature; she’s even more mature than Sunohara.

-I know Sunohara is in love with his "girlfriend", but he should not ignore his little sister. http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/047_.gifSunohara is so immature in so many things. http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/071_.gif

-Baby Mei was so cute!!! http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/008_.gif

-So Sunohara’s real hair color is black!!!

-Wow!! So Mei already figured out that Sunohara’s “girlfriend” was a fake one.

-Loved Akio’s reaction when he saw Sanae in that school uniform!! ;) :D

-Tomoya is so cool!! :cool: I loved how he was worried about Mei!! :) That’s why I like Tomoya so much!!

-Who would have known that Tomoya would like to be called “Onni-chan” so much!! ;) :D

- Mei is so cute!!! But she is such a little devil, isn’t she? :D

-Way to complicate things Tomoya!! I know he meant well, but all these lies are just going to result in broken hearts, people hurting and such an ugly mess!! :upset: :(

-Sunohara, you fool!! http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/012_b.gif Why didn’t you go after Mei after Tomoya told you that he was her “boyfriend”?!!!

-I felt so sad for poor Mei-chan!! :( She is such a good sister, and Sunohara has been such a bad brother lately. :upset:

[Eczema]

A decent ep. More character development for the Sunoharas is welcome, but again like in ep 2, the appearance of Kyou/Ryou/Kotomi just seems tacked on just for the sake of having them there. It's finally starting to get moving, but it's still just the calm before the storm.

[Master Chibi]

I'm the only idiot in here who was interested in Sunohara more then any of the other females in the show I guess, so I'm enjoying the development they're giving him. This show was fine with comedy without Sunohara, so I always felt he was tacked on and needlessly battered around with as a middle ground between Tomoya and the rest of the cast. I never found him funny to begin with, so I'm happy they're actually giving him a third dimension here, it speaks volumes for me really.

But yeah, I'm really looking forward to the next episode. Alot. At this point I've lost all interest in the entire rest of the cast save Tomoya.

[Kaisos Erranon]

A decent ep. More character development for the Sunoharas is welcome, but again like in ep 2, the appearance of Kyou/Ryou/Kotomi just seems tacked on just for the sake of having them there. It's finally starting to get moving, but it's still just the calm before the storm.

I did think that was hilarious, though. Even if it was just for the sake of having them there.

I'm the only idiot in here who was interested in Sunohara more then any of the other females in the show I guess, so I'm enjoying the development they're giving him. This show was fine with comedy without Sunohara, so I always felt he was tacked on and needlessly battered around with as a middle ground between Tomoya and the rest of the cast. I never found him funny to begin with, so I'm happy they're actually giving him a third dimension here, it speaks volumes for me really.

But yeah, I'm really looking forward to the next episode. Alot. At this point I've lost all interest in the entire rest of the cast save Tomoya.

Next episode, if they're ending the arc, should be fantastic.

[zero7090]

am i the only who think that youhei didnt want help bullied girl because he know her brother is coming and dont want to interfere with her affection ?

and

you two are joking right ?

\ Tomoya for letting his friend go this far without telling him the truth and Sunohara for turning into a total scumbag. Who the hell would let his sister do something like that without a fuss?
.

youhei never know who Sanae actually is. And you ask for a boy (who never been taken care by any girl) stop being excited with a girl who nice to him ?

i do feel sorr for nagisa, she had her mother "stolen" from her

and what can he do at this situation ? what a fuss with his only friend, kick his ass or what ?


IMO the scene when mei lie about her boy friend and run out of the room but youhei dont chase after her but sit with tremble hand, make remember Code Geass R2 ep 23 when Lulu talk with Nunnally, put on a mask but still unable to hide his fear.

[mandarb916]

btw, is it me, or has the art quality gone down considerably since season 1, and also since ep1 of AS?

[Jerseykid]

I can't get enough of how cool the opening music is, i would love to see dj tiesto get ahold of it and do a version

[Crontica]

Great episode. I've almost fell off my chair in the part with Okazaki onii-chan moment XD

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/th_wmplayer2008-10-1713-25-55-73.jpg (http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/?action=view&current=wmplayer2008-10-1713-25-55-73.jpg)http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/th_wmplayer2008-10-1713-26-07-93.jpg (http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/Ingram20pl/Ingram20pl4/?action=view&current=wmplayer2008-10-1713-26-07-93.jpg)

..i didnt know the human body could twist that far..:heh:

[wtfftw]

Precisely! Very well said.

edit:

Klash: The argument isn't about if Youhei was or wasn't a selfish prick, but rather, how he has been portrayed in the anime. The perspective the game players demonstrate for his character doesn't seem to have been conveyed to such extent in the anime adaptation. That is pretty much the basis of the argument for anyone who has been watching the anime adaptation without associating any experience/perspective gained from the game. A decent tansition between the roles a character demonstrate is the key factor and the show hasn't been very good about in that respect.At least this makes somewhat clear what is going on. I watched the show, i havent played the game. It doesnt say episode and game discussion. And assuming everyone knows the game is just plain funny some people havent seen known played the game. If i play games i play gears of war, battlefield modern warfare and stuff.

@Ice Block dude READ what people post please. If you read monirs post then you would know whats going on. For the second part i dont feel like going into that. Thats what you think i think differently i said that too in that post yet your digging stuff up for no reason.

@zero7090 I completely agree with you. I mean youhei knew a big bro would come around the only thing which people could say is " that they lost their way home" however NO ONE KNEW OR EXPECTED that.

Thing is this Youhei is used as he always is used someone you can put easy blame on (as the funny dude) simple as that. I mean youhei thinks sanae is so beautiful that she is the sis of Nagisa. And offcourse he is going to be confronted with Sanae is nagisa's mom which will break down his heart.

2nd part nagisa's mom was "stolen"(LOL). Well its was Tomoya's idea right so she should lay the blame on the one who decided it was ok to do in the 1st place. Then again Nagisa was there also so it was rather nagisa agreed on it too then how you put it "stolen". Doenst make sense.

About sunohara in the show, for me he is the dude who is the funny dude. Seriously the rest isnt funny for me at all. maybe when tomoya makes jokes / remarks about the girls but the rest is plain boring. Also Sunohara as a character: When have we seen a SERIOUS sunohara as you would with tomoya. Sunohara always says dumb things, doenst even think or get much personal screen time to elaborate THE WHY. Which is why it shouldnt be seen other then a SIMPLE ANIME JOKE. If you look at the 1st part of this ep you see sunohara doing exactly as Tomoya says(saying "hello as how Tomoya says he should say it") its like he is a mindless puppy. So how can you take or see him other then the funny dude of the show is beyond me. Obviously he didnt have any other purpose before this episode. I mean when were there "SERIOUS" episodes for sunohara it were all jokes in cases he did/said something.

Every joke involving sunohara is over in 1 - 2 min tops. Meaning its comic relief. and the next 2 screen panels him and the others are buddies again. So please, the authors didnt show how drama and tension between sunohara and girls was formed.

The sunohara we see now and what im saying is different is him being INDECISIVE i have no idea what is meant with this "he was always like that" because he wasnt INDECISIVE like this. Like he didnt know what to do when Mei told him he she got a boyfriend. The normal Sunohara was always like HYPER active and would react OMG who MEI WHY etc. This is why i dont get what the hell kashi or rave meant

[Ottocycle]

am i the only who think that youhei didnt want help bullied girl because he know her brother is coming and dont want to interfere with her affection ?

youhei never know who Sanae actually is. And you ask for a boy (who never been taken care by any girl) stop being excited with a girl who nice to him ?



How did Youhei know the girl had a brother? ESP?

and

Yes he can be excited, every healthy male is expected to be. But when you allow it to turn your brain to mush and your balls to turn into your brains, I doubt people would applaud that.

[Klashikari]

So how can you take or see him other then the funny dude of the show is beyond me. Obviously he didnt have any other purpose before this episode. I mean when were there "SERIOUS" episodes for sunohara it were all jokes in cases he did/said something.
You do complain people don't watch the series or read your post, yet you do such statement?

So youhei was never serious? I beg your pardon, but I believe you are really mistaken here.

How about when he ranted deep down that Nagisa shouldn't fend off because of Sugisaka's excuse for Rie?
How about when he was overly serious about Fuuko's weird state?
How about when he tried serious to think about Fuuko despite he forgot about her, unable to see her? (if he was that a joke character, he would say: maa, whatever)
How about when he actually show up during the weddings?
And the fact he says that Nagisa is only strong because Tomoya is around?

Again, it proves that you only saw in Youhei a "fun" character. This is wrong as he has as much depth as the other character, be it negative and positive.
He has much more purpose than what you have credited him for, and that are the points I made from the very start.
Youhei messes with people for some stupid reasons, and the RESULT only is funny, but the origin is not. Furthermore, he is also shown being sensitive and reasonable at times, topped with serious behaviour. These are 2 factors, good and bad side, that were present in his character from the very season 1 already.
Every joke involving sunohara is over in 1 - 2 min tops. Meaning its comic relief. and the next 2 screen panels him and the others are buddies again. So please, the authors didnt show how drama and tension between sunohara and girls was formed.You are again focalising only on the purpose and the execution of such funny scenes. Yet, you do not take account his psychology in doing so. The fact it was meant to be funny is irrelevant to the discussion: in the comedy disguise, it is shown that Youhei is your average guy who has huge tendency to be egocentric and very desperate with girls + some chauvinist.
It does not mean he is a bad guy, but he has a short temper, doubled with chauvinism and limited thinking options, as monir said.
The normal Sunohara was always like HYPER active and would react OMG who MEI WHY etc. This is why i dont get what the hell kashi or rave meantI'm sorry, but you didn't actually pay attention to his reactions then. Youhei actually was CRUSHED by the fact Mei went on her own, leaving him alone.
It was blatantly shown that Youhei couldn't believe Mei, yet Mei didn't pay heed to his change of behaviour. And this is even further shown when Tomoya pretended to be her boyfriend.
Youhei was not undecisive like that before... well duh, why do you ask? Because he was never in such kind of situation beforehand. He was always goofing with Tomoya, trying to hit on random girls and have troubles with Tomoyo and Kyou. Aside of this, he was kinda devoted to Nagisa and Fuuko, that's that.
He never got a conflict between Mei and what he thought being a finally rewarded relationship with a dream girl.

This is the very reason why youhei is showing ANOTHER side of his personality as it is the first time 2 very serious parts of his life are clashing together.

You really JUST focalise on Youhei being "a fun" guy, this is the simple reason why you just can't comprehend my points.

[Utau]

..i didnt know the human body could twist that far..:heh:

sponge bob ;)


as for Youhei; for him it was a once in a life time opportunity for him, to be able to, date a super bijin like Sanae. And technically, he kows that Sanae is Nagisa's sister, Mei on the other hand is a girl.

[wtfftw]

Youhei was not undecisive like that before... well duh, why do you ask? Because he was never in such kind of situation beforehand. He was always goofing with Tomoya, trying to hit on random girls and have troubles with Tomoyo and Kyou. Aside of this, he was kinda devoted to Nagisa and Fuuko, that's that.
He never got a conflict between Mei and what he thought being a finally rewarded relationship with a dream girl.

This is the very reason why youhei is showing ANOTHER side of his personality as it is the first time 2 very serious parts of his life are clashing together.

bla bla.This is the part what you should have started with so we wouldn't have to talk about stuff that wouldn't matter much. The rest im not gonna go into dept cuz it will be a repetitive exchange of posts.

The points you mention are just general clannad cast on the side saying things for the story sake. I mean youhei forgetting fuko, How about when he actually show up during the weddings????? Im more talking about the highlight where you see youhei and what he is seen for or at least how i see him in the story. Obviously for you its different.

I mean for you Youhei is known by the points you mention above because for you its seem he was always like that. However i recognize Youhei as the funny guy of the show. As that is being explicitly show by him being punched with matrix like combo's, book in the face etc. You see the "him forgetting fuko or whatever the hell in the past happen" difference of opinion i geuss.

For me its basically how he always reacts and thats exactly how you also say he sorts of was doing stuff(stuff: being it 90% of time of jokes 10% serious) which are the pranks and things that come out of him mouth like OMG why would you do/say that. But Youhei is known by his pranks and jokes as that is how he is brought forth by. If indeed what you said would be true then they would go further in depth in such a drama point which they like 99% of the time dont which thus means it isnt important. However in the case of THIS EP. THEY DO but his character has changed in the indecisive Sunohara IN BOTH cases kashi. Because when he met okazaki and mei he was not sure whether to follow or walk away. That's very much unlike him

When i mean serious i mean as in youhei character development from a serious point of view about a something that has to do about him "an entire ep" and not just "1 moment" an emotional value of youhei which should contribute for other characters development".

However this part is exactly what i have been saying AND WHY the youhei is different now as how he used to be. Which is also why im saying your post is contradicting itself. And basically are still giving in that he is different now as in the past. because of the bold parts.

basically your saying the same thing i am in a different manner

[rapidfire]

This episode had me laughing through half, and giving Youhei bad looks for the other half.
It felt really jumbled and not as smooth as previous Clannad episodes, like certain scenes were just added only for the comedy effect. And Youhei showed his jerk side probably way to much here. It doesnt matter if he is like that in the game, the anime has him as a deeper and slightly kinder character, so it felt like a complete change in personality to see him make those choises in this episode.

[rave_master16]

basically your saying the same thing i am in a different manner

Then how come nobody realized that? :p

[MeoTwister5]

Then how come nobody realized that? :p

I did. I'd laugh at them both but it'd be pointless.:p

[zero7090]

well in my opinion Youhei is a quite good charracter. he is mostly depicted as a simple guy just fooling around with his friend w/o thinking much. But inside he has a serious side which can think more than other ppl (proved through Fuuko's and Nagisa's arc) . He is only serious when needed and none know that he is serious. It is kind of like a great sword which dont need to look sharp but can cut down diamond at the time it's need.

[Klashikari]

I mean for you Youhei is known by the points you mention above because for you its seem he was always like that. However i recognize Youhei as the funny guy of the show. As that is being explicitly show by him being punched with matrix like combo's, book in the face etc. You see the "him forgetting fuko or whatever the hell in the past happen" difference of opinion i geuss.
For crying out loud: since when I said he was NOT the usual punching bag? You are mutating my own words and message...
What I said from the very beginning is that Youhei is vastly more than the mere comic relief, and my points standed for his egocentric approach, and yet also serious sensitive points.
In such, it demonstrates how his change for that situation is normal and within the scope of his character. Yet, you are still using the same "the usual fun guy" and even telling me it is a difference of opinion?
You are not following my point at all: the fact he is highlighted as the comic relief is intended by the authors. Yet, the highlights DON'T represent a character as a whole: it is the same for any anime character. The highlight serve to put emphasis on the role of a character, but generally speaking, it does not mean the character can be that only as a whole.

And this is where I still don't understand why you still tell me "just a difference of opinion": I never said he wasn't the slapstick engine, yet he is more than that, which explains my reasoning for his change, in which you didn't agree from the beginning. You are saying a point completely irrelevant to the discussion.

With the examples given above, the conclusion I was showing from the start is the fact that despite being a comic relief, Youhei isn't a saint and was pretty much a moron, still amusing. Yet, this very same inconsiderate personality spark its full potential with the given circumstances. Hence why I said it was normal, which you disagree. This is where the debate lies in, not about "You think he is like this, yet I don't" fact, which is nowhere close to "saying the same thing".
However this part is exactly what i have been saying AND WHY the youhei is different now as how he used to be. Which is also why im saying your post is contradicting itself. And basically are still giving in that he is different now as in the past. because of the bold parts.... In what aspect i'm contradicting myself? From the very start, I said Youhei was acting differently due the circumstances, yet I also said that it was normal for him to act like a jerk, considering his basic mindset with my arguments given before. This is the very same effect for Tomoya with Naoyuki, yet I don't think anyone complained it is outside of his character scope, isn't it? Youhei's change is the very same thing: the circumstances drove him to go hardcore with Sanae, to the point he is neglecting his surroundings, yet he is undecisive with Mei. It is different from the usual, yet does it make it totally out of character? I said it didn't.

How is THAT contradicting? I never said that he was always that a jerk before. I explained that he was always a selfish character, then due of the situation, he became a jerk which is why i said it is a natural conclusion for his character, storywise.

basically your saying the same thing i am in a different mannerAnd unfortunately, you pretend something that isn't. From the beginning, we did agree that he wasn't acting as usual. Yet the diverging point here is the fact that you said it was not normal and blamed the scripters for this. I, on the other hand, provided arguments about the reasons of his actions and the fact he was sure a comic relief, yet he was already not so "kind" to begin with, except rare exceptions.
It is not a different manner at all: you are saying it is not normal, I said it is. And please don't tell me it is a semantic issue.
That being said, there is nothing more to cover considering how both sides' arguments are, until you believe there are still points to bring out.

So ravemaster and Meotwister, I believe your comments are kinda displaced considering the whole argument is nowhere close to paraphrase or, for the lack of better term, "the same thing".
I don't care much if I convince people etc, but it is rather baffling to get your points taken to the very left field.

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No wonder rave and kashi see it so differently. Until monir mentioned clannad game, i didnt even know there was a game. So how is Youhei in the game, cuz i never played it and seems he is like completely different there then in the anime? Or is the anime completely different from the anime?The way he is shown is pretty much the same, that's why I used the mention of the game to prove my point he was always meant to change like this. The only difference is the number of serious aspects that have been reduced for obvious reason, but in the same time, he is less a douche as well in the anime.
And before you claim something too early: no my vision isn't affected by the game except for knowing the other reasons for such situation. Also, I already considered the "comic relief, yet not so commendable mindset" with the anime alone, as I only played the game when Kotomi's arc was airing.

[wtfftw]

Then how come nobody realized that?
I did. I'd laugh at them both but it'd be pointless.:phidoi:upset:

This episode had me laughing through half, and giving Youhei bad looks for the other half.
It felt really jumbled and not as smooth as previous Clannad episodes, like certain scenes were just added only for the comedy effect. And Youhei showed his jerk side probably way to much here. It doesnt matter if he is like that in the game, the anime has him as a deeper and slightly kinder character, so it felt like a complete change in personality to see him make those choises in this episode. No wonder rave and kashi see it so differently. Until monir mentioned clannad game, i didnt even know there was a game. So how is Youhei in the game, cuz i never played it and seems he is like completely different there then in the anime? Or is the anime completely different from the anime?

I might even play it, if they a showdown between Youhei and Tomoyo. Id be funny to play with Sunohara against "last-boss" Tomoyo, that be so funny :heh: Id buy it just for that.

[anime ronin]

i enjoyed this episode. it was funny seeing sunohara be a terrible dater. he did kind of annoy me when he started to take the sanae thing serious, but overall a good ep.

[DragoonKain3]

In all honesty though, IIRC Sunohara wasn't exactly gaga when Mei came around the first time in the last season. Add on the fact that Mei is going to extra lengths to 'meddle' into his life (to the point of skipping school) and the foreshadowed 'traumatic' event that created the rift for Sunohara's affection for Mei, then I really do find Sunohara's actions to be believable. Clearly, Sunohara doesn't seem to want Mei around for some reason, and her overstaying her welcome has just made him more irritable in terms of his relationship with her.

Sometimes, character development does not make a character 'better', and just like KimiKiss, this departure from the norm just makes Sunohara all the more interesting for me.

[rave_master16]

So ravemaster and Meotwister, I believe your comments are kinda displaced considering the whole argument is nowhere close to paraphrase or, for the lack of better term, "the same thing".


Lol... that's why I asked him why nobody realized that. But to my surprise someone did, even though it's not the same thing. I'm not actually agreeing that your arguments are the same thing. It's just weird that he said that it's the same thing though your arguments are very different. :p:D
~Sees Klash~ OMG ~Runaway!~

[Eisdrache]

Personally I found Mei annoying this episode. If I had a sister that would go "I want to see your gf" I would tell her to gtfo. Am I the only one who finds it weird that 3 people are following someones date? Its alright that she is worried about her (stupid) brother but the hell with all this deceiving going on things will always only turn worse.

[musume_no_hoshi]

Many people said the animation quality gone down, I would say, the animation in terms of frame rate is as good as any other episode, but it's most likely done by another team of animators within KyoAni, therefore the characters look slightly different.

In Haruhi, if any one looks at episode 5,11 (broadcast order), all the characters looks slightly off compared to the other episode. The most noticable would be the shine with the hair and have a flatter colour look, they also have drawn the characters a little cuter too. Some Lucky Star offical art is most likely be drawn by them, the ones that looks 'ugly' or really off.

I think in Clannad, it's just more noticable compared to other KyoAni series. Bleh, I don't know how to explain it clearly T^T

[Klashikari]

The problem is actually how people always mix up "animation" and "quality".
Considering the comments, most if not all indeed talked about quality, especially the design. And it is not only different, but certainly toned down in details compared to S1 and episode 1-2.

Animation wise, it didn't get a drop, yes.

[musume_no_hoshi]

I agree the details have gone down and it looks different. I must be the very few people who actually likes this style, I always liked anime looking slightly flatter. I think this team animated the Tomoyo episode last season, I just love the facial expressions in this style and the hair ^_^''

I understand why people are disapointed in KyoAni as we all expect VERY high from them.

[Haruyasha]

Personally I found Mei annoying this episode. If I had a sister that would go "I want to see your gf" I would tell her to gtfo. Am I the only one who finds it weird that 3 people are following someones date? Its alright that she is worried about her (stupid) brother but the hell with all this deceiving going on things will always only turn worse.

I think his sister's an ***.

First of all, she ignores Youhei throughout the entire first season completely. He would be left out of everything. (Which was kinda sad actually.)

Now suddenly she's butting into his life because she's upset. But lol, who is the one who was doing the ignoring in the first place... Gee I wonder. Talk about a hypocrite sister who only cares about things which concern only her.


And then there's all this deceiving nonsense. It's funny, but if you were to do that in real life, it's a big no-no and can lead to some very bad events. Seeing as how the drama is building, I wouldn't be surprised if Youhei socks Tomoya one in the face. (I know I would.. and I wouldn't care if Tomoya was joking or not.) Sick joke is sick.

I agree the details have gone down and it looks different. I must be the very few people who actually likes this style, I always liked anime looking slightly flatter. I think this team animated the Tomoyo episode last season, I just love the facial expressions in this style and the hair ^_^''

I understand why people are disapointed in KyoAni as we all expect VERY high from them.

What is everyone complaining about? The animation and "quality" look no different than they usually are. In fact, they did a grand job with handling the Mei onii-chan scene.

[Eisdrache]

Actually I would LOVE to see Sunohara punching Tomoya really hard just once as payback for all the jokes he made on him. Tomoya was never a really likeable character and to be honest, 99% of the time they are together he uses Sunohara for his amuesement. The "I am Meis boyfriend" was just over the top.

And one more thing: Why did Mei expect her brother coming to save her from her EVIL BOYFRIEND? You could assume that Mei is mature enough to realize when she is dating a scumbag. Also Tomoya and Nagisa freaking out because she is not dating, but MEETING a boy gave me the creeps.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Again, next episode, if it is indeed the end of the arc, should be the coolest thing ever.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Enough said
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8638/assgi7.jpgthats exactly what i thought when i first watched it:D

[Proto]

You could assume that Mei is mature enough to realize when she is dating a scumbag

She is barely a junior high schooler. No matter how mature you are at that age, you are still a brat. I tell this from an older brother stance whose younger sister once was a junior high schooler (which also makes me wonder whatever the heck people who have a siscon complex are thinking about, but whatever.) . I would go ballistic every time she said she was dating someone (most of the time for comedic purposes though :p)

Also Tomoya and Nagisa freaking out because she is not dating, but MEETING a boy gave me the creeps.

Rather than creeping, I think they were just taken aback since it was so out of the left field.

[MercFH]

Very touching episode, i def liked Mei more this time~ since we got to see her side

the "onii-chan" part was hillarious, mei is too cute now

[mandarb916]

The problem is actually how people always mix up "animation" and "quality".
Considering the comments, most if not all indeed talked about quality, especially the design. And it is not only different, but certainly toned down in details compared to S1 and episode 1-2.

Animation wise, it didn't get a drop, yes.

TBH,
I could see a solid blu-ray release for Clannad S1 (and it was originally planned if I recall?) but with the quality of AS, if it ever gets a BD release, I think I'd be terribly disappointed...

animation is still as smooth as before, but the artwork seems to be lacking quite a bit of details compared to S1...

That doesn't detract from the entertainment that AS is providing...but after seeing ep1~3, I just might stick with dvd releases for this season..

[Haruyasha]

TBH,
I could see a solid blu-ray release for Clannad S1 (and it was originally planned if I recall?) but with the quality of AS, if it ever gets a BD release, I think I'd be terribly disappointed...

animation is still as smooth as before, but the artwork seems to be lacking quite a bit of details compared to S1...

That doesn't detract from the entertainment that AS is providing...but after seeing ep1~3, I just might stick with dvd releases for this season..

You sure about that? I personally think the imaginary world substantially improved with AS. In fact, I cannot wait to see the beginning of episode 2 in widescreen.

[zzeroparticle]

I had my doubts going into this episode since the last one seemed so shaky, but the second half of this episode managed to work out since I could see just where they were trying to go by setting up Mei's motivation for visiting. The setup was really nice and we definitely see Sunohara's indifference towards everything, which will be a good segue into the next episode, which will hopefully be packed to the brim with drama.

[Eisdrache]

She is barely a junior high schooler. No matter how mature you are at that age, you are still a brat. I tell this from an older brother stance whose younger sister once was a junior high schooler (which also makes me wonder whatever the heck people who have a siscon complex are thinking about, but whatever.) . I would go ballistic every time she said she was dating someone (most of the time for comedic purposes though :p)

Rather than creeping, I think they were just taken aback since it was so out of the left field.

Well, she is at least on Tomoya level of maturity, so I dont know if this argument really counts.

Given that I am not an older brother I cant really tell from experience, but personally I find nothing wrong with my little sister meeting a boy. Even when being taken aback, Nagisas and Tomoyas reaction was HIGHLY overreacting.

[Ascaloth]

Well, she is at least on Tomoya level of maturity, so I dont know if this argument really counts.

Given that I am not an older brother I cant really tell from experience, but personally I find nothing wrong with my little sister meeting a boy. Even when being taken aback, Nagisas and Tomoyas reaction was HIGHLY overreacting.

I'm not an older brother either, but I'll imagine that if I really had an imouto and a close buddy of mine wanted to date her, I'll probably know my buddy well enough to "know" that he's too much of a bastard to be worthy of my precious little sister. :p

[Kristen]

Amazing episode. I'm late at writing, I know. Got a little busy. XD

What they did wrong in episode 2 in my opinion they did right here. Rather than a repeated joke used to incorporate all characters, they had Kyou/Ryou/Kotomi in like a 30 secon gag. To me, this is how they should do the incorporation at this point in time.

And they did succeed very much so at making Sunohara as despicable as I remember him. A lot of awkward moments from me with it, so it worked. I'm excited for the continuation of it. :)

[Clawn]

I'm not an older brother either, but I'll imagine that if I really had an imouto and a close buddy of mine wanted to date her, I'll probably know my buddy well enough to "know" that he's too much of a bastard to be worthy of my precious little sister. :p

Speaking as an older brother here with a little sister who could be considered "cute;" I wouldn't let any of my friends get within a ten foot radius of her. I know them too well.

With that in mind, this episode was very interesting, as well as slightly disturbing. Seeing a brother so detached from his instinct to protect his little sister made me cringe. I can't wait for episode 4.

[Utau]

And one more thing: Why did Mei expect her brother coming to save her from her EVIL BOYFRIEND? You could assume that Mei is mature enough to realize when she is dating a scumbag. Also Tomoya and Nagisa freaking out because she is not dating, but MEETING a boy gave me the creeps.

it's called caring . We all know Tomoya have Nagisa, seeing your little sister with a man, whom you know very well, and you know he already have a girl will naturally alarm you. Having a little sister myself i'd feel what Proto and Clawn and other loving older brother will do when in a situation, pretend or not. Like you said, her EVIL boyfriend ;)

[Ascaloth]

Speaking as an older brother here with a little sister who could be considered "cute;" I wouldn't let any of my friends get within a ten foot radius of her. I know them too well.

With that in mind, this episode was very interesting, as well as slightly disturbing. Seeing a brother so detached from his instinct to protect his little sister made me cringe. I can't wait for episode 4.

Introduce me to your little sister. :D

[Ceral]

The animation seems to be really inconsistent this episode. The difference in animation style just really popped out at me from the start of the episode. The faces look a little bit rounder than usual, their cheeks seem to be fatter. Normally the mouth is further from the chin because the chin is curved and pointed, creating more distance. Usually, the eyes are closer to the edge of the face(Or maybe the bangs are hanging further back than usual). Seems like the eyes aren't drawn like they regularly are either, the top of the iris of their eyes don't usually show unless they're giving a "surprised" look, their eyes seem to be wide open a lot in this episode... and the eyes & chin seem to have less "curve". I don't think theres' any lack of detail, more like the animation quality checker took a vacation this episode and a change of style accidently took place(Well maybe an artist with a really trained eye could point out the real changes in the animation, it just seemed different to me). Maybe a different studio worked on the animation, like their child company Studio Do. I'm not really sure, seems uncharacteristic of KyoAni to have inconsistent animation.

Overlooking the animation, all in all it was a Fun episode. The comedic parts really tickled my funny bone and got me smiling, but the dramatic parts were a bit dry and not as involving for me. I thought this episode would finally start to get a little bit dramatic with the episode title "Hearts that do not converge" and all, but so far each episodes' strength in AS has been it's comedy, which is a surprise for me given that this is one of KyoAni's Key adaptations and I have such high expectations for it.

[Aizu]

Lolicon maniacs are in the topic. Caution ! Don't let your little sister write here.

[Eisdrache]

it's called caring . We all know Tomoya have Nagisa, seeing your little sister with a man, whom you know very well, and you know he already have a girl will naturally alarm you. Having a little sister myself i'd feel what Proto and Clawn and other loving older brother will do when in a situation, pretend or not. Like you said, her EVIL boyfriend ;)

We are not speaking of the same.

You are talking about the moment when Sunohara sees Tomoya with Mei while I mean the moment when Mei tells her brother she wants to meet the person she likes. I absolutely agree with you on the topic that I would find a person who already has a girlfriend and is now dating my sister who is way younger than him suspicious as well.

We know that Tomoya likes to overreact (S1 with pushing around and yelling at Kotomis guardian -though he didnt know who he was) but as I said, panicking over a girl meeting a boy was overreacting like hell.

[SeedFreedom]

Man Myself; Yourself ruined me. After watching that show i got so mad i always expect to see the punch that never happened there. I really wanted Tomoya just to deck Sunohara and knock some sense into him. If not for his sake then for Nagisa's so she doesnt have to see him hitting on his mom.

[Utau]

We are not speaking of the same.

You are talking about the moment when Sunohara sees Tomoya with Mei while I mean the moment when Mei tells her brother she wants to meet the person she likes. I absolutely agree with you on the topic that I would find a person who already has a girlfriend and is now dating my sister who is way younger than him suspicious as well.

We know that Tomoya likes to overreact (S1 with pushing around and yelling at Kotomis guardian -though he didnt know who he was) but as I said, panicking over a girl meeting a boy was overreacting like hell.

ahh-- I see. Somehow it felt like you were talking about Tomoya that's what confused me, alot.

[zero7090]

it's called caring . We all know Tomoya have Nagisa, seeing your little sister with a man, whom you know very well, and you know he already have a girl will naturally alarm you. Having a little sister myself i'd feel what Proto and Clawn and other loving older brother will do when in a situation, pretend or not. Like you said, her EVIL boyfriend ;)

at that situation i think actually Sunohara is just thinking too much.
E.g.: "what should i do" "Tomoya he already have girl friend and now he is dating my sister? he must be a scumbag" "Wait he is my only friend and i know he is not" "Whay will mei react if i interfere? will she hate me for overdo ?" ... and another 1,000 questions

[Utau]

Lolicon maniacs are in the topic. Caution ! Don't let your little sister write here.

pssh.. you sound like it's a bad thing :p



at that situation i think actually Sunohara is just thinking too much.
E.g.: "what should i do" "Tomoya he already have girl friend and now he is dating my sister? he must be a scumbag" "Wait he is my only friend and i know he is not" "Whay will mei react if i interfere? will she hate me for overdo ?" ... and another 1,000 questions

thinking too much won't get him anywhere. As a result, he'll just get more uneasy. Either way, he really screwed up with Mei this time. Next episode just won't come any faster :p.

[jorez]

Rating: Mei being moe/10.

Well, I surely hoped an episode about Nagisa's mom and that's what I got during the first half; I'm pretty happy that After Story is doing well and it's not centering everything over Nagisa this time... though it's gonna be like that in the end... but it's really great that they are now with Nagisa's mom and...

Mei. Jesus fucking Christ. Now, when KyoAni does these kinds of things to my nutbladder all I can do is thank them but at the same time it pisses me off that I have to repeat the scene like 5 times to have a good perspective of what it was: Mei being FUCKING CUTEKAWAIIMOE, etc. totally killed me. And I mean it did, these gifs are... disturbing.

Aanyway, great episode. What I expected: Nagisa's mom. What I got: Mei fucking killed Nagisa's mom.

[LustfulEnvy]

I was also struck down by meis moeness. @_@ Tomoya just couldn't resist. The episode was hilarious yet dramatic at the same time. Cant wait to see more.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Tomoya sells his body.

Although a potential answer (You have to admit that Tomoya is HOT, and I'm a guy :heh:), I doubt that would be the case for a "pure" guy like him.

[tzia_n]

Mei-chan is just so moe that it's so wrong... kinda makes me wanna have a younger sister :heh: why are the girls of Clannad so moe?

best part of the episode: when Tomoya was panicking over the "onii-chan" calling and the three girls came by. that was epic-ly hilarious, i had to pause the video just so i could get my bearing straight :heh:

on the other hand i'm kinda disturbed at the lack of uneasiness from Nagisa's part over her mom "dating" her friend...

[Proto]

Well, she trusts her mother to a great extent that she knows what she is doing. Something rare in every age's teenagers but it's possible.

[tzia_n]

Well, she trusts her mother to a great extent that she knows what she is doing. Something rare in every age's teenagers but it's possible.

c'mon, it's Sanae we're talking about here :heh: she hardly knows what she's doing ~looks at her bread~ :heh:

[kyouray]

Onii-chan MAD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQG4Pm0QiDs) with To Aru Majutsu no Index :D

[rave_master16]

Onii-chan MAD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQG4Pm0QiDs) with To Aru Majutsu no Index :D

Good but should it be in the Clannad music videos?:)
Edit:
It shouldn't be in Music Videos too since it does not have any music.
Yup Oniichan is very destructive alright...

[Utau]

that was.. rather disturbing. I fail to even finish the whole 2minutes :heh:.

[konstargirl]

third episode was cool. :P can believe in the past, Mei-chan talks about Sunohara like that about being a good old brother to her and it just sad.

[Tempester]

Yay the subs are finally out for widescreen! Eclipse is the slowest fansubbing group ever. Episode 6 is out in widescreen and they just released 3. -____-