Claymore Chapter 85

[Skyfall]

Welcome to the monthly discussion thread for Claymore, Chapter 85.

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[tenken627]

CONFIRMED SPOILER for CHAPTER 85



Another spoiler-

560 ：作者の都合により名無しです：2008/10/30(木) 22:34:17 ID:xkkEx3NHO
クレイモア

この話を聞いて、この先どう感じて、どう動くかは自由だ
と言い残し、クレアたちの前から退散するルヴル
とりあえずクレアたちは当初の目的通り西に向かう
リフルの事は、もし見つけたら、その時はその時に考えるということに
場面変わって、ヘレンとデネヴ
二人は道中で覚醒者討伐任務中のクレイモアたちに遭遇し
高みから戦況を見つめていた
劣勢のクレイモア隊が残り一桁Noの１人になった所で加勢に出る
最初は例によって気絶させようとしたが、
結局No.8ディートリヒと三人で共闘することに
最後はディートリヒが覚醒者を真っ二つにして止め
１月号につづく


Crappy Google Translate:

560: The author is due to名無SHI: 2008/10/30 (Thursday) 22:34:17 ID: xkkEx3NHO
Claymore

To hear this story, this is where it's like, what is freedom? Move
言I残SHI and Claire run away from their RUVURU
The original purpose of Clare now as they head west
RIFURU thing, if you find the time to think about that at the time

The scene has changed, and Helen DENEVU
They route Claymore in the wake of their mission to subdue encounter
Looking at war from the heights
Claymore of inferiority No single digits the rest of the squad who were out in the back
The first is a case tried by the faint,
Dietrich No.8 at the end of three and a united front to
Dietrich is finally awakening to a stop in the middle

Continued in the January issue of


Crappy Yahoo Babelfish:

560: There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer: 2008/10/30 (wood) 22:34: 17 ID: xkkEx3NHO

Cray moa

Hearing this story, ahead this how feeling, how it moves, it is free [ruvuru] where with you say and leave, disperses from before [kurea] [kurea] according to object of beginning faces to west temporarily As for thing of [rihuru], if you find, that time in the notion that where you think that time,

The scene changing, Helen and [denevu] Two people encounter to the Cray moa in awakening person suppression duty in the road, You stared the war situation from the high seeing Inferior Cray moa party remains and appears in help at the place where you have become 1 people of one column No First it tried to faint with example, but After allIn No.8 [deitorihi] and struggling jointly with three people As for end [deitorihi] with the awakening person as true [tsu] two the stop

It follows to the January edition



FAKE SPOILERS



2ch Spoiler:

バレ SCENE85　深淵の眠り
組織の本部に龍族側の外交官が到着し、傘下に入るよう勧める
リムトがキッパリ断ると、後ろに控えていた男が巨大な龍に変化する
一桁を２人含む護衛の戦士７人で応戦するが、歯が立たず、火炎で焼き尽くされる
龍曰く、クレイモアは紛い物から造られた出来そこないらしい
出来そこないかどうかお見せしよう、というリムトが呟く
二つの頭を持つ完成版アリシア（inベス）が現れると同時に龍はバラバラにされた
外交官が「本土はほぼ掌握した、近いうちにこの島も戦場になる」という捨て台詞を残し、散る
その言葉に黒\服たちが動揺を見せるが、リムトは動じず、虚言に揺さぶられるなと一喝する
そして、どこか遠くを見つめながら「“外”よりもまず“内”の問題を片付ける」と呟き、目を瞑 る
場面変わって、西の地
覚醒リフルが体の殆どを失い、呆然としていた
辺り一帯が廃墟となっており、ダフの物と思しき肉片が散らばっていた
瓦礫の下から瀕死のルネが顔を覗かせ、リフルを気にしながら逃げるようにその場を離れていく
人間だった頃のことを思い出しながら眠りについた
終わり



Crappy Google Translate:

Barre's sleep abyss SCENE85
Long the headquarters of the organization's family arrived diplomat, to go under the advise
KIPPARI the RIMUTO refused, the man behind the upcoming changes to the huge dragon
The two digits, including one warriors who fight back through the convoy, but立TAZU teeth, the flame will be exhausted in the baked
Long says, was built from Claymore made a SOKONAIRASHII紛I物
If not try to look出来SO showed that the RIMUTO呟KU
The finished version with two heads Alicia (in Beth) and at the same time the dragon appears to be falling apart
Diplomats "had dominated most of the mainland, the island soon become a battlefield" and leave abandoned lines, fall
The word black \ clothes to show their agitation, the動JIZU RIMUTO, and the thunder of lying to the shaking
Then, while staring at some distant, "" out "than First" in the "issues" and呟KI eyes瞑RU
The scene has changed,西NO地
RIFURU arousal lost most of the body, and was stunned
The area around the ruins, and the goods and Duff were strewn piece of meat思SHIKI
Rene from under the rubble in the face of覗KA moribund, while worrying about RIFURU to run off the field
I remember it was a man to sleep with the
End






945 ：作者の都合により名無しです：2008/10/27(月) 21:43:23 ID:8j9Xu8qr0

次バレ
ルヴルによると、ミリアは自分の復讐のためならクレアたちを捨て駒扱いするらしい
少なくとも、プリシラ打倒を考えるクレアはミリアにとって邪魔なのは確か
最後に、妖魔を狩る青年（ラキ）の目撃情報を伝え、去ってゆく
ルヴルの言葉を否定しながらも、動揺を隠しきれないクレア
シンシアとユマも内心ではプリシラを倒すことなど不可能と考えていた
何はともあれラキを探すため、ルヴルの情報を元に出発する
一方四肢を再生し終えたルネは再び融合体を呼び覚ますためコンタクトを取り、
遂に核心とも言うべき部分に触れた、その瞬間、凄まじい妖気が溢れ出す
リフルは喜びながらも、融合体が自分を遙かに上回る力を持っていることに気づき、戦慄する
ダフとリフルが完全覚醒し、攻撃準備を整える
その隙にルネが足の妖力を開放し、その場を離脱する
しかし、リフルもダフもルネを無視して、まさに目覚めようとする融合体に向けて全力で攻撃する
２人の驚異的な破壊力により、城の半分が吹き飛ぶが、繭に変化した融合体は無傷
遅かった、そう気づいたリフルはダフとともにその場を脱出
繭から何が出てくるのかは分からないが、とにかく出来る限り遠くに逃げながら
一本角の化け物と相討ちになってくれることを祈るしかなかった
終わり


Crappy Google Translate:

945: The author is due to名無SHI: 2008/10/27 (Mon) 21:43:23 ID: 8j9Xu8qr0

Barre:
According to the RUVURU, MIRIA revenge for their sacrifice they treat you hear Claire
At least, given the overthrow of Priscilla, Claire is certainly the way for MIRIA
Finally, the youth hunt妖魔(raki) information reported sightings, we're going to leave
RUVURU to deny the words, but Claire can not hide the turmoil
Cynthia Yuma and also to beat on the inside and Priscilla were considered impossible
Raki to find as much as anything else, based on the information RUVURU departure
The limb had to play a fusion of Rene stir again to get in contact,
Finally touched the heart and what portion of the moment, sweeping produce a flood of妖気
Despite the joy RIFURU, or fused to the body far exceeds their ability to have noticed the chill
Duff and RIFURU to wake up fully, ready for attack
In the space of Rene妖力the opening leg, to leave the area
However, even RIFURU Rene Duff to ignore the very body目覚MEYOU for the best fusion of attacks in
Two tremendous destructive force of the blow off half of the castle, a fusion of a change in the cocoon intact
Late, I noticed a RIFURU escape from the spot along with the Duff
What comes out from the cocoon do not know, but just far away as possible
相討CHI one corner is a monster and can only pray that no
End


Crappy Yahoo Babelfish:

945: There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer: 2008/10/27 (month) 21:43: 23 ID: 8j9Xu8qr0

According to next [bareruvuru], as for [miria] for your own vengeance if in order [kurea] you throw away scene handle it seems although at least, as for [kurea] which thinks of [purishira] overthrow as for being the disturbance for [miria] certain lastly, the youth who hunts the 妖 demon ([raki]) conveying the information of sight, denying the word of [ruvuru] which you go away, [kureashinshia] and [yuma] which cannot hide trembling with the incenter as for something which the impossibility anyhow to search [raki] such as the fact that it pushes down [purishira] you thought, in order [rune] which finishes to play back the quarters which it starts on the basis of the information of [ruvuru] on the one hand calls the fusion body again and to wake up taking the contactIt touched the part where finally also core should call, that instant, as for [rihuru] which the tremendous ghostly air starts overflowing although rejoicing, the fusion body by your whether 遙 become aware in having the power which is exceeded, duffing and [rihuru] which shiver awaken completely, [rune] opens the 妖 power of the foot to the opening which arranges preparation for the attack, but you secede, [rihuru] and duffing ignoring [rune], it directs that place to the fusion body which it tries to awake just and half of the castle blows off with the wonderful destructive power 2 it attacks by all power, but the fusion body which changes in the cocoonIntactness it was slow, so as for [rihuru] which becomes aware you do not understand whether with duffing that place something comes out of the escaping cocoon, but while escaping to the distance in any case as much as possible, the end which only prayed the monster in one angle and the fact that it becomes hitting each other at the same time



Edit: Added new spoiler from 10/29/08

Another spoiler that came out:


485 名前：作者の都合により名無しです[sage] 投稿日：2008/10/29(水) 20:26:03 ID: DftkwE8C0
クレイモア

ルヴルが、クレアの指摘を認めるが、
プリシラを倒すのなら、リフルごときで臆すのはおかしい。とニヤニヤする
かつての№２・・・何か微妙に詳しいシンシア
おそらく現在の最強の覚醒者、潜在能力はテレサを脅かすほどだった、とルヴル
ラキを探す他の理由はプリシラなのか？と驚くユマ
ルヴルが、それなら好都合。ラキはプリシラと共にいる
驚愕のクレア

逃げる算段を見抜かれるルネ、とにかく融合体を起こしてその隙に逃げるしかないと結論
リフルの強さは正確にまでは分からないが、融合隊はもっとヤバいものと訴えるが
ルネが嘘を付いてるかもしれないし、プリシラやアリシアの存在でもはや自分も安泰では無いと無 視
覚悟して精神に訴えかける。融合体発動。青ざめるルネ。リフルはまだ余裕

クレアが逃げるのではと、疑うシンシアに
ミリアには借りが有るから、と打倒組織に付き合う事を決めるクレア
７年生きてるのなら、少し位の時間は大丈夫そうだからと言う
ニヤつきながら、それを聞いているルヴル。クレアがお前の望むようにはならないと言う
その時強烈な妖気を感じ取る３人

震えて逃げれないルネ、リフルもビビって倒す事に決める

次号へ


Crappy Google Translate:

485 Name:名無SHI reasons is the author of the [sage] Contribution Date: 2008/10/29 (Wed) 20:26:03 ID: DftkwE8C0

Claymore

RUVURU, but admitted Clare pointed out,
If they beat Priscilla, RIFURUGOTOKI臆SU in the wrong. With a grin
What once № 2 or more subtly Cynthia
Perhaps in the wake of the strongest and potentially threaten the capacity of Teresa had, and RUVURU
Raki Priscilla looking for a reason other? Yuma surprising
RUVURU, so favorable. Priscilla said that along with raki
Stunning Claire

Rene resource to be read to escape, causing it to the fusion of space and the only way to escape the conclusion
The strength of RIFURU do not know exactly until the fusion of the party and appeal more to potato YABA
Rene may be attached to a lie, in the presence of Priscilla, and Alicia is not safe anymore and no one ignores
Appeal to the spirit and determination. Invoke the fusion of the body. Rene pale. Yet afford RIFURU

Claire Dove, so the escape, the suspect Cynthia
To borrow from the MIRIA Yes, to go out and decide to overthrow the organization Claire
Do you live for seven years, if not a little place because of the time and say okay
Nia with the RUVURU are listening to it. Claire is that you do not want to say
When a strong sense that the three妖気

Not fled ashake Rene, down RIFURU can also decide to BIBIっ

To the next issue




Crappy Yahoo Babelfish:

485 names: There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer [sage] contribution day: 2008/10/29 (water) 20:26: 03 ID: DftkwE8C0

Cray moa

[ruvuru], recognizes the indication of [kurea], but [purishira] is pushed down, if is, every [rihuru] fearing it is strange with coming. With [niyaniya] it does, at one time №2・・・ something the delicately detailed sincere perhaps present strongest awakening person, latent faculties was the extent which threatens [teresa], that as for the other reason which searches [ruvururaki] being [purishira]? With is surprised [yumaruvuru] which, then the favor.

As for [raki] with [purishira] [kurea] of the astonishment which is [rune] which is perceived the contrivance which escapes, raising the fusion body in any case, unless only it escapes to the opening, as for strength of conclusion [rihuru] you do not understand to accurately, but fusion party appeals the [yaba] potato more, but [rune] being attached, perhaps the [ru] lie and, unless already by your are peace in existence of [purishira] and the ant shear, ignoring being prepared it begins to appeal to mind. Fusion body motion. [rune] which turns pale.

[rihuru] still room [kurea] escapes because with, because there is the debt sincerely it doubts in [miria], with the [kurea] 7 year which decides that it associates to overthrow organization living, if it is the [ru], a little time of rank while [niya] which you say that therefore all right so, being attached, [ruvuru] which inquires about that. In order for [kurea] to desire you, 3 people who that time that get wise the intense ghostly air it does not become, Trembling, it escapes and the [bibi] [tsu] [te] it decides also [rune] and [rihuru] which is not the [re] in pushing down

To next issue

[Enara]

I can never get the first post. Sigh.

[clarakiss~]

this chappy better have some raki in it :mad: lol :p

[hell88]

I can never get the first post. Sigh.

I know what you mean.:(

[NobodyMan]

Tenken's just too fast for us. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Goobidy/Smilies/emotawesomepm9.gif

Anyway, interesting spoilers. Seems they came out kind of early this month. :cool:

[Korinov]

Well, the first one is obviously a fake (as we all said in the C84 thread). The second... hmmm, sounds a little fake too. I think Raki & Priscilla won't show up until at least two or three more chapters. Anyway, thx Tenken.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Well, the first one is obviously a fake (as we all said in the C84 thread). The second... hmmm, sounds a little fake too. I think Raki & Priscilla won't show up until at least two or three more chapters. Anyway, thx Tenken.

I think Clare will come to Raki, not the other way around, or what would be the purpose of Renee telling Clare anything?

[evil_kenshin]

I think Clare will come to Raki, not the other way around, or what would be the purpose of Renee telling Clare anything?

nothing necessarily, considering from what Raki said (Page 16 chapter 81), Renee is not the first claymore his spoken to.

In any case I believe they will meet mutually both unaware the other is approaching.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Shitty translations. Is there anyone here better at Japanese than I to translate that jumble of crap?

[tenken627]

Another spoiler that came out:


485 名前：作者の都合により名無しです[sage] 投稿日：2008/10/29(水) 20:26:03 ID: DftkwE8C0
クレイモア

ルヴルが、クレアの指摘を認めるが、
プリシラを倒すのなら、リフルごときで臆すのはおかしい。とニヤニヤする
かつての№２・・・何か微妙に詳しいシンシア
おそらく現在の最強の覚醒者、潜在能力はテレサを脅かすほどだった、とルヴル
ラキを探す他の理由はプリシラなのか？と驚くユマ
ルヴルが、それなら好都合。ラキはプリシラと共にいる
驚愕のクレア

逃げる算段を見抜かれるルネ、とにかく融合体を起こしてその隙に逃げるしかないと結論
リフルの強さは正確にまでは分からないが、融合隊はもっとヤバいものと訴えるが
ルネが嘘を付いてるかもしれないし、プリシラやアリシアの存在でもはや自分も安泰では無いと無 視
覚悟して精神に訴えかける。融合体発動。青ざめるルネ。リフルはまだ余裕

クレアが逃げるのではと、疑うシンシアに
ミリアには借りが有るから、と打倒組織に付き合う事を決めるクレア
７年生きてるのなら、少し位の時間は大丈夫そうだからと言う
ニヤつきながら、それを聞いているルヴル。クレアがお前の望むようにはならないと言う
その時強烈な妖気を感じ取る３人

震えて逃げれないルネ、リフルもビビって倒す事に決める

次号へ


Crappy Google Translate:

485 Name:名無SHI reasons is the author of the [sage] Contribution Date: 2008/10/29 (Wed) 20:26:03 ID: DftkwE8C0

Claymore

RUVURU, but admitted Clare pointed out,
If they beat Priscilla, RIFURUGOTOKI臆SU in the wrong. With a grin
What once № 2 or more subtly Cynthia
Perhaps in the wake of the strongest and potentially threaten the capacity of Teresa had, and RUVURU
Raki Priscilla looking for a reason other? Yuma surprising
RUVURU, so favorable. Priscilla said that along with raki
Stunning Claire

Rene resource to be read to escape, causing it to the fusion of space and the only way to escape the conclusion
The strength of RIFURU do not know exactly until the fusion of the party and appeal more to potato YABA
Rene may be attached to a lie, in the presence of Priscilla, and Alicia is not safe anymore and no one ignores
Appeal to the spirit and determination. Invoke the fusion of the body. Rene pale. Yet afford RIFURU

Claire Dove, so the escape, the suspect Cynthia
To borrow from the MIRIA Yes, to go out and decide to overthrow the organization Claire
Do you live for seven years, if not a little place because of the time and say okay
Nia with the RUVURU are listening to it. Claire is that you do not want to say
When a strong sense that the three妖気

Not fled ashake Rene, down RIFURU can also decide to BIBIっ

To the next issue




Crappy Yahoo Babelfish:

485 names: There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer [sage] contribution day: 2008/10/29 (water) 20:26: 03 ID: DftkwE8C0

Cray moa

[ruvuru], recognizes the indication of [kurea], but [purishira] is pushed down, if is, every [rihuru] fearing it is strange with coming. With [niyaniya] it does, at one time №2・・・ something the delicately detailed sincere perhaps present strongest awakening person, latent faculties was the extent which threatens [teresa], that as for the other reason which searches [ruvururaki] being [purishira]? With is surprised [yumaruvuru] which, then the favor.

As for [raki] with [purishira] [kurea] of the astonishment which is [rune] which is perceived the contrivance which escapes, raising the fusion body in any case, unless only it escapes to the opening, as for strength of conclusion [rihuru] you do not understand to accurately, but fusion party appeals the [yaba] potato more, but [rune] being attached, perhaps the [ru] lie and, unless already by your are peace in existence of [purishira] and the ant shear, ignoring being prepared it begins to appeal to mind. Fusion body motion. [rune] which turns pale.

[rihuru] still room [kurea] escapes because with, because there is the debt sincerely it doubts in [miria], with the [kurea] 7 year which decides that it associates to overthrow organization living, if it is the [ru], a little time of rank while [niya] which you say that therefore all right so, being attached, [ruvuru] which inquires about that. In order for [kurea] to desire you, 3 people who that time that get wise the intense ghostly air it does not become, Trembling, it escapes and the [bibi] [tsu] [te] it decides also [rune] and [rihuru] which is not the [re] in pushing down

To next issue

[Sordes Pilosus]

Makes very little sense. All of this is new right and supposed to be the same ? It seams like totaly two different bases the translation is based of. While i do see the simularities. Well, its closer to release so might be some thruth in spoilers. But it seams a little to much back and forth, but I wont throw up a fake sign for this yet. But wouldent mind a better translated summery of the spoiler so that its easier to follow really to then determin if its fake or not.

[tenken627]

I can never get the first post. Sigh.

Tenken's just too fast for us. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Goobidy/Smilies/emotawesomepm9.gif


Hah.

I have to admit that I'm cheating a little bit. Ever since it seemed NoSanninWa became busy and threads never got made, I started asking Skyfall if he could create new threads. He was always nice enough to do it right away.

So yeah... I'm not really that fast, I just had a slight advantage. :p

In actuality, you really do have the first post Enara.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Hard to tell what's going on there. It had Priscilla and Alicia names in a few places I didn't like. I don't think Ruble is going to mention Raki and Priscilla unless he has to. He's not the kind to give something away for free if he doesn't need to, unless he finds some amusement to do so. I also don't see Priscilla showing up anywhere near Riful's fortress. It would hurt the quality of the story there since you already have an abundance of characters there to split the focus on. At least, that is from a writer's perspective.

BTW, what about also doing a search and replace of common words we know to be character names with those translations? We know Riful and Rubel's names. Wikipedia had some other ones. It would clear things up a little, especially for n00bs who have no idea that. that word, RUVURU, means Rubel. :)

[iLney]

I don't if it is real or fake, but anything with "Priscilla, Teresa,.... strong.... twin" is welcomed here :heh:

[Captain Yoruichi]

I actually think it's plausible that Rubel would tell Clare that Raki is with Priscilla. It would most likely throw her into a state of indecision, and that would help his plans of trying to get rid of the half-awakened Ghosts.

[Anima]

..."party and appeal more to potato YABA"...
:heh:
That just made my day!!

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I actually think it's plausible that Rubel would tell Clare that Raki is with Priscilla. It would most likely throw her into a state of indecision, and that would help his plans of trying to get rid of the half-awakened Ghosts.

I doubt you could say most likely, especially with Clare. I find it likely that it would just increase Clare's determination. I can't recall a moment where Clare has ever been indecisive. Her sheer determination is a Character Trait.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

..."party and appeal more to potato YABA"...:heh:
That just made my day!!

The Yaba makes it sound like its coming from a Jamaican ;)

[Captain Yoruichi]

I doubt you could say most likely, especially with Clare. I find it likely that it would just increase Clare's determination. I can't recall a moment where Clare has ever been indecisive. Her sheer determination is a Character Trait.

Well, I struggled with the choice of word to use, so maybe indecisive wasn't what I meant. What I mean is, imagine being Clare and finding out that Raki is with Priscilla. What would Clare think about that? On one hand, you have Raki, the person who Clare seems to care most about (besides Teresa), and on the other hand, Priscilla, the person who Clare hates the most. Together. What is Clare to do? She'd want to save Raki and kill Priscilla, but Clare knows very well the kind of person that Raki is, and she would probably consider the possibility that Raki wouldn't want her to kill Priscilla. It just seems like an interesting dilemna for Clare, and so I can see Rubel telling her just to see her puzzling it out.

[yezhanquan]

I doubt you could say most likely, especially with Clare. I find it likely that it would just increase Clare's determination. I can't recall a moment where Clare has ever been indecisive. Her sheer determination is a Character Trait.

Clare is a Determinator. In other news, fire burns.

Jokes aside, if anyone finds any Chinese scans, PM me. Translations may come, but I'm busy at this part of the year.

[Negativedark]

Man online translation hurt my brain. I think I'll just wait for a good translation. Anyways as early as it is those may be fake spoilers.

[Yosei]

:heh:
That just made my day!!

What about this one:

RIFURU arousal lost most of the body, and was stunned

I mean... I would love to check this chapter out now in its proper context. :twitch:

[revan5]

Ok, so I took a look at this spoiler and attempted to put in the names we know correspond with the translations from previous translations

Claymore

Original Translation...
Rubel, but admitted Clare pointed out,
If they beat Priscilla, Riful GOTOKI臆SU in the wrong. With a grin
What once № 2 or more subtly Cynthia
Perhaps in the wake of the strongest and potentially threaten the capacity of Teresa had, and Rubel
Raki Priscilla looking for a reason other? Yuma surprised
Rubel, so favorable. Priscilla said that along with raki
Stunning Claire

So let me see if I can summarize this for easier reading by guesstimating what approximately we are reading...which is still better than guesstimating from these translations...

My Simplification..
Rubel's still talking to the three at the beginning
Brings up the former Number 2, Priscilla, saying that perhaps her motivation might be wrong...
Cynthia begins to have suspicions that Claire has motivations regarding Priscilla
Something about Raki having a reason to perhaps change Priscilla?Yuma is surprised...
Priscilla said the same thing to Rubel when she was with Raki (may be suggesting that Priscilla wants to become like her, a partially awakened one, and is searching out her help with Raki)
Claire is completely shocked...

Original Translation...
Rene resource to be read to escape, causing it to the fusion of space and the only way to escape the conclusion
The strength of Riful do not know exactly until the fusion of the party and appeal more to potato YABA
Rene may be attached to a lie, in the presence of Priscilla, and Alicia is not safe anymore and no one ignores
Appeal to the spirit and determination. Invoke the fusion of the body. Rene pale. Yet afford Riful

My Simplification...
Renee essentially causes a fusion of the body of the joined remains of Rafaela & Luciella. Riful may have underestimated the strength of the one she is dealing with...The part about Alicia seems to be saying that with the birth of a new Abyssal One, Alicia is no longer safe from attack...
Renee goes pale and is attempting to escape the conclusion of the awakening if she can...

Original Translation...
Claire Dove, so the escape, the suspect Cynthia
To borrow from the MIRIA Yes, to go out and decide to overthrow the organization Claire
Do you live for seven years, if not a little place because of the time and say okay
Nia with the Riful are listening to it. Claire is that you do not want to say
When a strong sense that the three妖気

Not fled ashake Renee, down Riful can also decide to BIBIっ

My Simplification...
Claire seems to be trying to escape a suspicious Cynthia, or at the very least not be asked awkward questions about her real motivations for the past seven years.
Meanwhile Riful is awaiting the coming battle with her awakened Abyssal One...
at that moment the three Ghosts all sense the new Abyssal One...

Renee has not fled but is shaking in fear while Riful decides her next move...

End

Oh well, that at least would seem somewhat more reasonable. Hopefully somebody gets us a good translation soon.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Well, I struggled with the choice of word to use, so maybe indecisive wasn't what I meant. What I mean is, imagine being Clare and finding out that Raki is with Priscilla. What would Clare think about that? On one hand, you have Raki, the person who Clare seems to care most about (besides Teresa), and on the other hand, Priscilla, the person who Clare hates the most. Together. What is Clare to do? She'd want to save Raki and kill Priscilla, but Clare knows very well the kind of person that Raki is, and she would probably consider the possibility that Raki wouldn't want her to kill Priscilla. It just seems like an interesting dilemna for Clare, and so I can see Rubel telling her just to see her puzzling it out.

the question though is why give clare time to cool down and think about things before the explosion? It's far more an explosive situation if Clare was to find out about Priscilla on the scene when meeting Raki.

You know though, I wonder if Raki ever told Priscilla the story about the twin goddesses, Teresa and Clare.

[tenken627]

CONFIRMED SPOILER for Chapter 85

Another spoiler-

560 ：作者の都合により名無しです：2008/10/30(木) 22:34:17 ID:xkkEx3NHO
クレイモア

この話を聞いて、この先どう感じて、どう動くかは自由だ
と言い残し、クレアたちの前から退散するルヴル
とりあえずクレアたちは当初の目的通り西に向かう
リフルの事は、もし見つけたら、その時はその時に考えるということに
場面変わって、ヘレンとデネヴ
二人は道中で覚醒者討伐任務中のクレイモアたちに遭遇し
高みから戦況を見つめていた
劣勢のクレイモア隊が残り一桁Noの１人になった所で加勢に出る
最初は例によって気絶させようとしたが、
結局No.8ディートリヒと三人で共闘することに
最後はディートリヒが覚醒者を真っ二つにして止め
１月号につづく


Crappy Google Translate:

560: The author is due to名無SHI: 2008/10/30 (Thursday) 22:34:17 ID: xkkEx3NHO
Claymore

To hear this story, this is where it's like, what is freedom? Move
言I残SHI and Claire run away from their RUVURU
The original purpose of Clare now as they head west
RIFURU thing, if you find the time to think about that at the time

The scene has changed, and Helen DENEVU
They route Claymore in the wake of their mission to subdue encounter
Looking at war from the heights
Claymore of inferiority No single digits the rest of the squad who were out in the back
The first is a case tried by the faint,
Dietrich No.8 at the end of three and a united front to
Dietrich is finally awakening to a stop in the middle

Continued in the January issue of


Crappy Yahoo Babelfish:

560: There is no name is with the circumstances of the writer: 2008/10/30 (wood) 22:34: 17 ID: xkkEx3NHO

Cray moa

Hearing this story, ahead this how feeling, how it moves, it is free [ruvuru] where with you say and leave, disperses from before [kurea] [kurea] according to object of beginning faces to west temporarily As for thing of [rihuru], if you find, that time in the notion that where you think that time,

The scene changing, Helen and [denevu] Two people encounter to the Cray moa in awakening person suppression duty in the road, You stared the war situation from the high seeing Inferior Cray moa party remains and appears in help at the place where you have become 1 people of one column No First it tried to faint with example, but After allIn No.8 [deitorihi] and struggling jointly with three people As for end [deitorihi] with the awakening person as true [tsu] two the stop

It follows to the January edition

[Sordes Pilosus]

Hmmm that might actualy be a good chapter. While it would be surprising to have Helen and Deneve now, but at the same time if the situation with Rubel is done with, its better then going back to Renee now since that should wait til Clare, Cynthia and Yuma is close so it just dont becomme a "back forth back forth" in choppy ways.

[tenken627]

There is also a rumor in several threads on baidu that Chapter 85 will be released tonight.

I don't know if it's a hoax or not, but different people are saying it.

I think it's a false rumor though.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Thats well early aint it ? That Raws are possible now i can belive, considering One Piece raws are already out and its not released before Monday. It depends if there is someone with a good Raw Provider. Also I do recall Chinese Releases before faster then the Jap.

When in the week is Claymore Released usualy ? A set date or day ? And anyone know the differance to the Chinese release ?

[Gangsta Spanksta]

:p That one is so hard to follow that it might be true. :) Most of these current spoilers seem kinda vague or not much is happening in them. I know the group split up, but much of what happens to the others could be told in side stories, which the second part sounds like. Unless it is directly related to the main plot, such things are only side stories.

[hell88]

I just realized something, its pretty much the end of the month and there hasn't been many spoilers like there usually is.

[tenken627]

Thats well early aint it ? That Raws are possible now i can belive, considering One Piece raws are already out and its not released before Monday. It depends if there is someone with a good Raw Provider. Also I do recall Chinese Releases before faster then the Jap.

When in the week is Claymore Released usualy ? A set date or day ? And anyone know the differance to the Chinese release ?

The Chinese scanlations are usually released on the 1st or 2nd day of the month. But someone on baidu was saying that it has been released on the last day of the previous month before as well.

It's not that early. Right now is technically October 31st in Japan and China.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I just realized something, its pretty much the end of the month and there hasn't been many spoilers like there usually is.

Actually, there seem to be more spoilers than the last few months, but all the others seemed fake, and this one is kind of hard to follow at all. Up till this last one, the others didn't seem worth translating to me. I think it feels like there have been less spoilers this month, because we haven't got a spoiler yet with any substance. All of these seem uninteresting to me so far.

I also feel like its time for the story to pick up. Talk's cheap. I'm sure that yagi knows the rule of "show, don't tell" of writing. Another chapter of Rubel just talking.... I feel it would be better to start the next chapter off with the girls arriving at the entrance to riful's base.

[hell88]

Actually, there seem to be more spoilers than the last few months, but all the others seemed fake, and this one is kind of hard to follow at all. Up till this last one, the others didn't seem worth translating to me. I think it feels like there have been less spoilers this month, because we haven't got a spoiler yet with any substance. All of these seem uninteresting to me so far.

I also feel like its time for the story to pick up. Talk's cheap. I'm sure that yagi knows the rule of "show, don't tell" of writing. Another chapter of Rubel just talking.... I feel it would be better to start the next chapter off with the girls arriving at the entrance to riful's base.

Wouldn't you be mad if it just went to Helen and Deneve all of the sudden and we would have to wait a whole month again just to see what Clare is going to do. Even though I do think Helen and Deneve are going to be the ones to run into Raki. Raki will remember them and Helen will want to sleep with him, I can see it happening now.:heh:

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Wouldn't you be mad if it just went to Helen and Deneve all of the sudden and we would have to wait a whole month again just to see what Clare is going to do. Even though I do think Helen and Deneve are going to be the ones to run into Raki. Raki will remember them and Helen will want to sleep with him, I can see it happening now.:heh:

Well Helen and Deneve meeting up with Raki I can take, since if included it would be part of the main plot. It isn't needed though, since Renee would be enough to bring about the reunion. What the latest spoiler -- or the googly translation thereof -- seems to be saying is that Helen and Deneve run into more claymores, single digits, and one of them awakens. Unless that has something to do with the main plot, I think that should be left as a side story for an extra chapter. It does sound interesting, but so far seems to have nothing to do with the plot.

[revan5]

Well Helen and Deneve meeting up with Raki I can take, since if included it would be part of the main plot. It isn't needed though, since Renee would be enough to bring about the reunion. What the latest spoiler -- or the googly translation thereof -- seems to be saying is that Helen and Deneve run into more claymores, single digits, and one of them awakens. Unless that has something to do with the main plot, I think that should be left as a side story for an extra chapter. It does sound interesting, but so far seems to have nothing to do with the plot.

Who knows, maybe it'll be like that arc about Clarice & Miata hunting down Galatea? You don't think it has any point and than Bam! Right into the main story. Currently though there are way too many disparate and conflicting spoilers to believe. Somebody's got to be wrong here, and spectacularly wrong at that judging from the disagreement we see in the 3 spoilers' stories.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Who knows, maybe it'll be like that arc about Clarice & Miata hunting down Galatea? You don't think it has any point and than Bam! Right into the main story. Currently though there are way too many disparate and conflicting spoilers to believe. Somebody's got to be wrong here, and spectacularly wrong at that judging from the disagreement we see in the 3 spoilers' stories.

;) I never said that it couldn't be part of the main plot. What I said was that out of all the spoilers so far, that last one seems like it could be legit, and then I somewhat implied that the only possible thing wrong with it is that you have Helen run into claymores, with one awakening. If that's true, then there better be a good reason for it. Maybe Raki and Priscilla joining them to try to defeat the awakened. Maybe another ghost partially awakening besides Clare. There are tons of possibilities, that could tie it into the main plot. Right now though, I wish the Clare part to pic up. It's been awhile since we've had an memorable arc with Clare fighting a major battle. So far, she's just been bitchslapping awakened beings left and right. :D

[revan5]

;) I never said that it couldn't be part of the main plot. What I said was that out of all the spoilers so far, that last one seems like it could be legit, and then I somewhat implied that the only possible thing wrong with it is that you have Helen run into claymores, with one awakening. If that's true, then there better be a good reason for it. Maybe Raki and Priscilla joining them to try to defeat the awakened. Maybe another ghost partially awakening besides Clare. There are tons of possibilities, that could tie it into the main plot. Right now though, I wish the Clare part to pic up. It's been awhile since we've had an memorable arc with Clare fighting a major battle. So far, she's just been bitchslapping awakened beings left and right. :D

Oh I wasn't pressing an attack on your viewpoint I assure you. I'm just confused as heck as to what spoiler I should be believing at this point. It would be cool though if Helen & Deneve were to happen upon the No 8 beginning to awaken amongst her comrades. Still I'm confused about the other translations of that spoiler which seem to infer something about youki suppression, an ambush, and Helen & Deneve being the targets.

That translation couldn't possibly be right if the No 8 is awakening...after all, Youki suppressants should rule out that as a possibility. So clearly what we need here is a better spoiler and way better translations. I think it'd be cool if the Ghosts gained another partially awakened one of single digit status. That would really put the Organization in a state of shock.

"Sir we have reports of an attack that knocked out No 14, her two comrades & two MiB, another of No 6 being captured, oh...and it appears No 4, the one with the potential to outstrip Alicia...can no longer be found, along with No 47."

Rimuto: "Damn, what the hell is going on?"

"Oh, and one more thing...No 8 & her team have disappeared"

"Oh hell"

I've got to say if true this spoiler would mean a series of nonstop bad news to the Organization...who now have to worry about both Riful's actions and that of the Ghosts. Rubel may be able to intervene at their "suicidal level" sooner than we thought possible. You'd expect the Organization to completely panic if there is a new Abyssal One awakened.

They are by far in the worst position right now of the 4 factions fighting on the island...

[Jonova]

The spolier about no8 is true, picture proof http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/8-1.png

I haven't read the whole chapter yet, but I think the general plot is like this:
Clare squad decides to keep heading west.
Scene changed to Helen/Deneve, who ran into the new No.8 and her AB hunting team while struggling against one AB. Helen and Deneve joined the fight and saved the day, end of chapter.


EDIT: forget pic oops.

[hell88]

If anybody knows of a site that has raws or scans out now, could they please PM me the link.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

The spolier about no8 is true, picture proof http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/8-1.png

I haven't read the whole chapter yet, but I think the general plot is like this:
Clare squad decides to keep heading west.
Scene changed to Helen/Deneve, who ran into the new No.8 and her AB hunting team while struggling against one AB. Helen and Deneve joined the fight and saved the day, end of chapter.


EDIT: forget pic oops.

It's funny, how its easy to tell the real spoilers apart from the fake.. Poor Miria, she tells everyone to avoid AB's and Claymores but does anyone listen? Actually, in some ways Helen/Deneve seem to be even bigger trouble makers than Clare. Clare just seems to find herself in the right places for trouble.

BTW: Where is everyone at? :)

[tenken627]

The spolier about no8 is true, picture proof http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/8-1.png

I haven't read the whole chapter yet, but I think the general plot is like this:
Clare squad decides to keep heading west.
Scene changed to Helen/Deneve, who ran into the new No.8 and her AB hunting team while struggling against one AB. Helen and Deneve joined the fight and saved the day, end of chapter.


EDIT: forget pic oops.

Yep, it's been confirmed as real.

Dietrich is such a boy's name though. But she looks pretty feminine at least. Or more so than Rachel.

[mosmos]

Wow thanks.. but a rather boring chapter ??

[Sordes Pilosus]

Well in not to long there will probably be Chinese release uploaded somewhere. tenken, you tend to be quick to get a hold of those right ? Mind sending it to me once you have it ? Saves me the "trouble" of getting up and ask for it over and over :P

As for how people notice its real or not. Its a combination of two things. Timing and Content. The timing for a possible "Scene" change wasent off. Most scene changes for fale spoilers like Isley or Pricilla showing up here or there ones is they dont fit whats happening. But with Clare etc ending with Rubel, and they wont even if they went for Riful get there "quickly" the sceane change to Helen and Deneve aint bad. Well now just looking forward to first looking over raws... Hope they wont take forever to load like last time. And then finaly a scaned version and alot of hopefully good discussions. Its around this time most user's of this subforum is active afterall :D

[Sleepy Speculator]

Lol if this is true it means another run in with the org, about the only way this could get worse for Miria is if a claymore hunting team decides to take a rest in Rabona on their way to somewhere else.

[Anima]

OMG, Claymore is just in a slow pace right now -_-

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Lol if this is true it means another run in with the org, about the only way this could get worse for Miria is if a claymore hunting team decides to take a rest in Rabona on their way to somewhere else.

That would never happen, officially Rabona is still off limits to Claymores as was shown when Clarice arrived into town. :D Anyway, I guess Miria forgot that the others of the Fab 4 are a bunch of trouble makers. She had two people accompany Clare, but Helen and Deneve are just as troublesome -- Helen picking a fight with anything that moves, Deneve picking a fight with other Claymores. I think Those two needed someone to watch over them too.

OMG, Claymore is just in a slow pace right now -_-

Yuppers. The storyline needs to pickup soon. Just slapping around a bunch of Awakened Beings from chapter to chapter won't cut it. The last chapter might have also been ruined a bit by the fact that this forum speculated and guessed most of the things Rubel revealed, so when it came out, it was nothing new. The Chapter would be much better for someone who reads several chapters in one sitting.


As for how people notice its real or not. Its a combination of two things. Timing and Content. The timing for a possible "Scene" change wasent off. Most scene changes for fale spoilers like Isley or Pricilla showing up here or there ones is they dont fit whats happening. But with Clare etc ending with Rubel, and they wont even if they went for Riful get there "quickly" the sceane change to Helen and Deneve aint bad. Well now just looking forward to first looking over raws... Hope they wont take forever to load like last time. And then finaly a scaned version and alot of hopefully good discussions. Its around this time most user's of this subforum is active afterall :D

For some of us it is also an understanding behind the mechanics of story writing. We have: Clare and her two caretakers, Riful, Renee, the Duffster, and a potential new AO. There just isn't any room for Raki and Priscilla and give each character the focus that they deserve. That's why when writers have big groups in stories they tend to split them up, often times into groups of around three, and then you focus in on one group and switch focus on another group, and the characters won't become two dimensional. Other times, I see potential plot holes if a spoiler is true.

[revan5]

The spolier about no8 is true, picture proof http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/8-1.png

I haven't read the whole chapter yet, but I think the general plot is like this:
Clare squad decides to keep heading west.
Scene changed to Helen/Deneve, who ran into the new No.8 and her AB hunting team while struggling against one AB. Helen and Deneve joined the fight and saved the day, end of chapter.


EDIT: forget pic oops.

Well if that is indeed No 8, I have to say she's an interesting addition to the story at this point. It seems to me that the Ghosts are meeting with almost all of the single digits steadily, with only Nos 1 & 2 not having met one of them yet (and for their sake, they had better hope that comes later). They've already peeled off No 4 Miata, they may add No 6 Renee, and with this meeting they'll either cause conflicting emotions in those they've rescued or add them to their ranks.

This story just keeps getting worse and worse for the Organization. Renee is getting close to awakening a new Abyssal One, the Organization now has no "Eye", and they've just lost their future No 1 potential Miata to the Ghosts. Add in a few more single digits and the Organization will start nearing collapse.

Therefore, while I agree that the more troublesome 3 of the "Fab 4" are completely ignoring Miria's orders, they seem to be both benefited & hurt by it. Who knows...perhaps these meetings will set the stage for an internal Organization struggle between loyalist & suspicious Claymores. That'd definitely put them at a suicidal level, just the time for Rubel to intervene!

Hopefully that intervention means the introduction of the Organization's enemies & their allies, the Dragonkin.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Heh, "The Troublesome Three" You should coin it! :heh:

[revan5]

Heh, "The Troublesome Three" You should coin it! :heh:

Sounds good to me. "Troublesome Three" has a good ring to it. Anyways, it'll be entertaining to see how No 8 reacts to people as "lively" as Helen & Deneve. I wonder if they'll let them in on the Organization's secrets. Bets anyone?

How about this...would YOU, if you were HELEN OR DENEVE, tell the Organization's No 8 about what you know about the Organization? (Just laying out possibilities for the next chapter)

[Sleepy Speculator]

Anyone know if it it's official that the No 8's name is Dietrich?

Recap on the current generations...

No 1. Alicia (presumably)
No 2. Beth ( again still presumably)
No 3. Audrey (rescued)
No 4. Miata (defected)
No 5. Rachel (rescued)
No 6. Renee (captured)
No 7.? (re allocated to the North to replace Nina)
No 8. Dietrich? (rescued?)
No 9. Nina (rescued)

No 14. Unknown (defeated by Yuma)

No 47. Clarice (defected)

Other Claymores encountered

Nina's team - 2
Audrey's team - 2
#14's team - 2
#8's/Dietrich's team - 3?

Total claymores accounted for - 19 of 47

@gangsta yeah i know Rabona is off limits...

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Dunno if they will reveal the secrets, but somehow I don't think Helen and Deneve will knock out the others like Clare group did. Now Deneve certainly won't reveal anything; she has something against most other Claymores, hence she starts fights with them specifically. It would be nice to see more of the backstory behind that. Helen, well, she lives for the moment; I'm not sure if the thought would cross her mind. It would be interesting though, if they do talk, which if they do, then they'll prove to be more troublesome to Miria than Clare, since she took it into consideration to at least knock 'em out.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

No 8. Dietrich? (rescued?)


Dunno if she is rescued. From the sounds of it, she is awakening, which would mean one of two things: 1) Helen and Deneve help the claymores put her down. 2) They somehow manage to stop the awakening, which would make her one of them now.

[hell88]

Anyone know if it it's official that the No 8's name is Dietrich?

Recap on the current generations...

No 1. Alicia (presumably)
No 2. Beth ( again still presumably)
No 3. Audrey (rescued)
No 4. Miata (defected)
No 5. Rachel (rescued)
No 6. Renee (captured)
No 7.? (re allocated to the North to replace Nina)
No 8. Dietrich? (rescued?)
No 9. Nina (rescued)

No 14. Unknown (defeated by Yuma)

No 47. Clarice (defected)

Other Claymores encountered

Nina's team - 2
Audrey's team - 2
#14's team - 2
#8's/Dietrich's team - 3?

Total claymores accounted for - 19 of 47

@gangsta yeah i know Rabona is off limits...

By looking at this I can say that the new generation is doing really bad.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

By looking at this I can say that the new generation is doing really bad.

I think the organization attitude might be now, "Who needs the other Claymores? We have Alicia and Beth, and thus the new generation was neglected and is weaker than the previous ones.

[hell88]

I think the organization attitude might be now, "Who needs the other Claymores? We have Alicia and Beth, and thus the new generation was neglected and is weaker than the previous ones.

The organization would be in a lot of trouble if something should happen to Alicia and Beth. Too bad Miata is defected now because she is supposed to have more power than them. Which is probably a good thing for the ghosts.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Yeah i left question marks there for that reason ya know... but i'm seriously worried that it's Helen and Deneve that's bumped into the person who is apparently awakening. I mean half of the renegades look to be yoki sensors/manipulators and the only group of them that isn't bumps into a claymore going over the limit. The worse scenario i can think of is them explaining to a struggling #8 that she can pull back especially if someone helps her and then decide it's quicker to cross over to where Clare and Cynthia are bound to be, as opposed to going to Rabona where Tabitha, Galatea and Clarice (yeah i know Clarice has been proven yet).

It would just be Clare's luck to have to deal with Helen + Deneve, a foaming at the mouth #8, a freaky awakening coffee table made from Raphealla and Luciella, a crazy scared rastafarian claymore with one arm, pissed off and vengeful Riful and Duph, Raki and his unwitting timebomb that is a hungry and agitated Priscilla *all at the same time*.

[Sordes Pilosus]

That would be quite wrong. Alica and Beth afterall aint what they where truely after. Its a huge step however in the direction of what they want (seen from their point of view). But we need to also remember that they lost 24 From their ranks in 1 go. The former number 7's team also got whiped out. Thats 28, The two from Jean's team. Thats 30, Galatea deserted and Rapahela "died" thats 32. Thats huge losses in short amount of time replacing all of them in 1 go just aint truely possible without reduced overall quality.

Due to this alot of weaker Claymore's where made, basicly the "Filler's" that Mira mentioned. These Filler's are just the remains, alot of them have probably died and been replaced now. 7 Years is more then enough to atlest replace most to get "back towards normal strenght". however due to so many weak ones around the stronger ones get cocky, alot of the lower single might not even be single dig worthy, but because they have buildt up enough experience the others will stil need time to get back on track. They stil had a few good cards. Audrey and Miata i wouldent call "Weak Claymore's".

But the general attitude of the current higher digits is what also drags them down alot. Its not like a team of 4 usualy have an easy time with Awakened (Normal Setup). But then you have the Ghosts, the ones we compare This Generation Claymore's with. In that Pieta War, they have more experience vs Awakened then Claymore's usualy get their whole lives. Those that lived through that naturaly becommes much stronger. Lose most of the intimidation Awakends often present, basicly there is no Hesitation in the movements of the ghosts, no doubt. This is a increasingly positive factor in battle. Not to mention while alot where naturaly strong even in the Old Order. They have been training heavily for years. The total experience period of the Ghosts, is likly on average more then half of most current claymore's total lifespan. And then to acount their "Stealth" makes them quite fitted to make "Conflict" in a battle and use that Choas to their advantage and settle things.

[Enara]

If anybody knows of a site that has raws or scans out now, could they please PM me the link.

Me to plez. :D

[Newhope]

I think the organization attitude might be now, "Who needs the other Claymores? We have Alicia and Beth, and thus the new generation was neglected and is weaker than the previous ones.

I think it's more likely that the loss of around 70-80% of the previous generation in a fairly short time frame probaly forced the org to cut corners in producing the current generation so they could get a combat worthy force as fast as possible with Clarice been one of the signs of this rush job.

[hell88]

Me to plez. :D

The people have spoken.:heh:

[NobodyMan]

So the spoiler with Helen and Deneve have been confirmed huh?

Sounds cool, can't wait. :D

I wouldn't mind a PM either.

[iLney]

link plozzxxxx :)

[Newhope]

If from what's coming out about them stopping the n8 from awakening and all the other claymore's they've saved, i'am I the only one who thinks this might be leading up to the ghosts taking over the org .

[hell88]

If from what's coming out about them stopping the n8 from awakening and all the other claymore's they've saved, i'am I the only one who thinks this might be leading up to the ghosts taking over the org .

Thats a given.

[zato_1one]

I think she looks cute. :)

[revan5]

So the spoiler with Helen and Deneve have been confirmed huh?

Sounds cool, can't wait. :D

I wouldn't mind a PM either.

I'll second that PM request. The wait is killing me...

Anyway, it looks like the Organization's single digits will be either extremely confused/conflicted about their opponents (the Ghosts), or will blindly attempt to eradicate them (Alicia & Beth). Sure sets the stage for a very different kind of showdown between the Organization & Ghosts than some of us had been expecting.

Sure Nos 1 & 2 will attack without hesitation and probably Audrey/Rachel, but as for the others, I imagine those who have had their lives saved by the Ghosts or met them will either desert or be internally conflicted. If you ask me these internal conflicts are what will do in the Organization. They've never had to face non-Awakened Ones able to appeal to Claymores' human sides/emotions before. Plus if this spoiler is true they might find out that two Ghosts saved their own (probably soon to be former) No 8 from awakening. That might force Rubel's hand (and bring in the Dragonkin perhaps (only can only hope)) a bit earlier than expected and really shake up the story.

[zato_1one]

I don't think that they will help the ghost just because the ghost help them. It was mentioned in previous chapter that most single digit are arrogant. I think they may want to fight the ghost in order to save their pride. Audray also showed that attitude even if she was just rescued from Riful.

[tenken627]

Well in not to long there will probably be Chinese release uploaded somewhere. tenken, you tend to be quick to get a hold of those right ? Mind sending it to me once you have it ? Saves me the "trouble" of getting up and ask for it over and over :P


The Chinese scanlations haven't come out yet, or at least not that I know of.

I guess it might come out today or tomorrow, but I won't be here, I gotta go in a little bit.

I'm sure someone will see it when it comes out and will be nice enough to PM it to people.

I'll send you the link to the message board where I usually get it so that you can look for a release. It's in Chinese, but just look for anything recent that says "Claymore 85" or "85", click on it and check it. If its got scans, then you know it's been released.

[Jonova]

So I have finally gotten my hands on 85, despite the rather boring spolier I find the actual chapter quite entertaining.
Summary coming soon, but before that a new picture of this month's Claymore star: Dietrich the new Number 8!
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/Dietrich.png

Chapter Summary:

Scene starts with Rubel and Clare squad, Rubel walks away saying you are free to do whatever you want now and Clare decides to stick to their original plan and keeps heading west.

Now scene change to Helen and Deneve sitting down and chatting on a cliff overlooking a river/lake.

Helen: So Deneve, what's your opinion on the reason they are struggling so hard?
Deneve: Well there are alot of reason, the biggest one I think is they have been lured into the water, where they lost their only advantage: speed.

Scene changes, you can see one AB hunting team fighting one AB with 4 arms in the water, two members of the team have already been knocked out.

Deneve keeps talking: And the team setup up is a failure too, the only capable fighter in the team is the single digit, the rest are probably in the 30~40+ digit range and are useless against an AB.
Helen laughs and says: Last time you said that you ended up getting your ass saved by the useless 40+ digit.
Deneve: Can we not talk about that anymore....

Then they talked some more about which one of Clare and Miria is stronger at the moment until another one of the hunting team has been cut down, leaving only the No.8 Dietrich standing.

Helen: Oooh, not looking good, only one girl standing now, should we go save them?
Deneve: Well Miria said try avoid encounter with the orginzation's warriors as much as possible, but if you INSIST, I guess I have no choice but to go with you.
Helen smirks: Naw, it's ok, I hate water anyways. If we save her now she might ends up being our enemies later, so it's better to let the ABs take care of the strong warriors.
Deneve gets mad.
Helen laughs and jumps off the cliff: Miria or Deneve, I am going to kill the AB alone!

Helen and Deneve joins the fight, chop off two of AB's four arms at which point Dietrich asks: who are you guys?
Without a word, Deneve tries to kick and Helen tries to punch Dietrich with her streching arm in the face, but to their suprise, Dietrich was able to evade both.
Then Dietrich showed quite a bit of intelligence by saying: you tried to attack me with bare hands, so that means you didn't want me dead but only want me unconscious because you don't want to be seen, you are not my enemies right.
Helen plays along: Yes, we are the SECRET squad of the orginzation on a SECRET mission, normal warriors are not supposed to know we exist.
Dietrich: That's fine, I will just pretend I never met you, but please help me move the wounded to safety first.

After they moved the wounded away from the AB, they come back and finish him/her off, Dietrich shows quite abit of agility by using the AB's body as help to jump in the high air and slash him/her in half, which also concludes the chapter.

[revan5]

So I have finally gotten my hands on 85, despite the rather boring spolier I find the actual chapter quite entertaining.
Summary coming soon, but before that a new picture of this month's Claymore star: Dietrich the new Number 8!
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/Dietrich.png

She looks pretty bad-ass...for a No 8. That said I imagine Helen & Deneve could probably take on the current No 3 & 5, Audrey & Rachel, and win. Thus they should have no difficulty fighting/dealing with the "kids" other than keeping their mouths shut about that supposed partial-awakening! Now that's a bit harder to do than merely fighting. Better hope there are no MiB nearby...

[hydropod]

Lol envy you with your good connections to China. Still D/Ling... taking forever.:)
P.S. Since Jonova you have read this month's chapter early, does it mean I can looking forward to the tsukkomi filled Chinese review by you earlier this month too? :)

[Newhope]

So I have finally gotten my hands on 85, despite the rather boring spolier I find the actual chapter quite entertaining.
Summary coming soon, but before that a new picture of this month's Claymore star: Dietrich the new Number 8!
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/Dietrich.png

Well she's a cutee , and is it just me or does her symbol seem familiar I'am sure i've seen it before or something very close to it.

[RocktheStar]

I'd like a pm with the url too please :)

[revan5]

I'd like a pm with the url too please :)

I'd like to request the same. Hopefully somebody will get it to me before I go insane from the month-long wait.

That said, I have one thing to say about our new No 8. Yeah she's cute, she looks bad-ass, but she's named Dietrich? That's a male German name! What's going on with Yagi? I can't recall ever having met a female "Dietrich" in the vast masses of Deutschland (Germany). Heck, I've never heard of it anywhere. Maybe this is just another example of Japanese artists sort of picking names from other cultures out of the blue.

[Newhope]

Dietrich is one of those names that can be used as both a frist name or a surname.

[zato_1one]

Ha Ha Ha As aspect, she looks really cute. Add her to my Claymore Idol list.

I think I found a link in Chinese forum but I couldn't access it. It allowed only registered user. :upset:

[revan5]

Dietrich is one of those names that can be used as both a frist name or a surname.

Not for the wieblich (feminine). That's a guy's name if it's a first name, and most certainly is NOT normally associated with women for good reason. What guy would want to name his daughter "Dietrich"? Anyone? Would anyone here actually name a girl of theirs Dietrich?

[hydropod]

Online version now avaliable at the usual place.

[Newhope]

Not for the wieblich (feminine). That's a guy's name if it's a first name, and most certainly is NOT normally associated with women for good reason. What guy would want to name his daughter "Dietrich"? Anyone? Would anyone here actually name a girl of theirs Dietrich?

Yes it is a guys name but it's even rare for even for a man to be called that, Dietrich is mainly used as a family name.

[zato_1one]

ZOMG. This chapter is @#$%ing AWESOME!?! RULES!!! :D

Love every moment in this chapter even if I don't understand it at all. LOL

[yezhanquan]

Hmmm... compared to Flora, she has the looks. But, what's her ability?

As for the name, Gratuitous German, anyone?

[Slick_rick]

This chapter seems fairly good. The No. 8 performed fairly well even was able to withstand a kick in the face from Deneve and a backhand from Helen.

[Newhope]

She really looks like Ruby from rosario+vampire in this picture:P

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2522/a4e27e34ddeaac205ab5f53fc5.jpg

[revan5]

ZOMG. This chapter is @#$%ing AWESOME!?! RULES!!! :D

Love every moment in this chapter even if I don't understand it at all. LOL

I'm beginning to wonder if I'll be the last one to see this. Won't anyone please PM me the url/link?

[hydropod]

Quoting Deneve: At least able to go a few rounds with that AB;
Dodged attmept by both Deneve and Helen to knock her unconscious;
Good jumper, enough strength to cut the AB in half vertically.
No special ablility sighted so far.

[yezhanquan]

Her hair vaguely reminds me of Luciella.

[zato_1one]

a kick in the face from Deneve and a backhand from Helen.

That pic is really one of my most favorite. :heh:

It actually makes me LOL. :heh:

Edit: Also Helen's expression is priceless. XD

[Jonova]

P.S. Since Jonova you have read this month's chapter early, does it mean I can looking forward to the tsukkomi filled Chinese review by you earlier this month too? :)

Well a weekend filled with Claymore, WoW, Fallout3, Red Alert 3 and school assigment are be quite .... busy XD.

[Slick_rick]

And Helen the queen of facial expressions had a lot of good ones this chapter. Her expressions are the best! Can't get enough of them.

[Newhope]

From what I can tell from reading it this N8 isn't just cute but she seem like the most level headed claymore we've seen in this generation she even saves helen at one point and seems to be willing to work them.

[hydropod]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9530/dodgepa3.jpg
Whoosh! And nice dodge. XD

[hell88]

Knocked out!XD

[Newhope]

Knocked out!XD

She dodged it should see Helens face in the cell after that:P

She's been the only claymore i've been impressed with other than Maitia in this generation.

[hell88]

She dodged it should see Helens face after that cell:P

She's been the only claymore i've been impressed with other than Maitia in this generation.

Yeah I just looked at the chapter and noticed that. Finally some action! Too bad I don't understand what they are saying, oh well I'll just have to wait until the english scans come out. I wonder if Helen and Deneve will try to get her to join them just like how Miria got Clarice and Miata to join.

[yezhanquan]

She dodged it should see Helens face in the cell after that:P

She's been the only claymore i've been impressed with other than Maitia in this generation.

Sounds like she fared better than Flora.

[hell88]

I'm glad she is pretty, I got tired of looking at the new manly looking claymores. Speaking of a certain one. *cough cough* Rachel *cough cough*

[hydropod]

Not likely due to the excuse Helen used.
She is such a good liar: "Secret special mission claymore" excuse FTW

[Newhope]

Lol I just noticed she save's Helen twice in this chapter:D

[revan5]

Not likely due to the excuse Helen used.
She is such a good liar: "Secret special mission claymore" excuse FTW

Did Helen actually say that? I ask simply because it'd be nice to know and I don't read Chinese. That has to be a humorous exchange judging on Helen's various facial expressions.

[zato_1one]

This chapter clearly show that the ghost isn't invincible. Helen has too much confident and she is nearly got her ass kicked. :heh:

1-1 with AB is still too dangerous even for a ghost. IMO

[Jonova]

Did Helen actually say that? I ask simply because it'd be nice to know and I don't read Chinese. That has to be a humorous exchange judging on Helen's various facial expressions.

Literally, maybe not, since it is a Japanese->Chinese->English translation and I know I didn't follow the sentence word by word when I translated it. But what she did say Deneve and her are speical kind of Claymore on speical mission that shouldn't be known to normal warriors.

[mosmos]

Please someone.. send me the link too please.

It's ok.. I got it...

Thanks Eugene sama!

[irvinethearcher]

Me too please :help:

[yezhanquan]

From what I can tell, the major Chinese sites don't have it up on their sites. Taking its time to filter out.

More pics of new no. 8, please.

[tunjee01]

The No. 8 claymore seems both respectful ad strong.

[revan5]

This chapter clearly show that the ghost isn't invincible. Helen has too much confident and she is nearly got her ass kicked. :heh:

1-1 with AB is still too dangerous even for a ghost. IMO

Yeah but can anyone say that for someone like Claire or Miria? Do you really think either of those two would've been more than somewhat troubled by this awakened being? As Miata noted, those two (I'm pretty certain we can agree she was implying the two fighters we've known to be strongest in the past) are stronger by a wide margin. For pity's sake...we know Miria is stronger than in the past, when she held her own for far longer than the other commanders against Rigard.

As for Claire, I'd have to say escaping Riful at point-blank range & killing Rigard are pretty impressive displays of skill (not to mention Agatha). Should Helen & Deneve get in trouble, as they look likely to tagging around with an awakened being hunting team (just how long do you think MiB don't stick around?), I predict "Miria Nee-san" to get involved.

How? Hey, how long do you figure until Helen & Deneve meet a MiB, Ermita or a higher ranked Claymore? Next chapter? Maybe...but Miria did say something about "preemptive measures" now didn't she? She & Tabitha could make a big entrance right when things are looking really bad for Helen & Deneve.

As for Claire's group...they have Claire and they have stealth, if they get cornered it'll only be by an Abyssal One/Nos 1 or 2.

[yezhanquan]

Something interesting: This AB didn't seem to be able to talk.

[Newhope]

If she's going to play the part I think she will she could become very important in the furture.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4098/34844834sc6.pnghttp://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5643/89244454be0.png

[irvinethearcher]

I like the number 8, a worthy successor of flora :) Dietrich, we have in germany a male name, it is
"dieter" but dietrich i have never heard about despite being german.
Here in germany a "dietrich" is some kind of tool to lock pick with.

[yezhanquan]

She is really beginning to remind me of Luciella. Maybe, that was how she looked like as a Claymore.

[evil_kenshin]

Something interesting: This AB didn't seem to be able to talk.

not something that uncommon there's been other yoma and awakened beings who don't talk. What's more interesting is this is a male one, something that shouldn't be that common.

[yezhanquan]

When the AB don't talk, it says something about its intelligence.

Anyway, the chapter introduces yet another new character. The December chapter beckons.

[irvinethearcher]

not something that uncommon there's been other yoma and awakened beings who don't talk. What's more interesting is this is a male one, something that shouldn't be that common.

not that dietrich is half-awakened too because they are all half awakened and were sent against the male ab like the fab4? Naah its foo farfetched. I found it strange that an number 8 is able to dodge helen and deneve when even yuma had no problems with number 14:heh:

[mosmos]

I like the number 8, a worthy successor of flora :) Dietrich, we have in germany a male name, it is
"dieter" but dietrich i have never heard about despite being german.
Here in germany a "dietrich" is some kind of tool to lock pick with.



Although she looks a little like a man.. I like her too! :D

[zato_1one]

I think it also depends on AB. If he has strong shell like Dauf then even Miria or Clare may have some troubles. I still think they can't fight higher single digit AB alone without any risk. :eyespin:

Something interesting: This AB didn't seem to be able to talk.

Considering his anatomy, he doesn't have lower mouth. So I think it's hard for him to talk properly or he may be a silent type. :heh:

She also reminds me of Luciela. May be that's why I like her. :D

[bk9]

Dietrich is a little weird... but then again Yagi has a tendency to take European names for Claymore characters so at the same time it's not that surprising. Plus she does have a "german" sort of look (maybe it's the hair or facial expression but it just works very well for some reason). In any case, as a flora lovah I approves of her >=D (..so far)

@ yezhanquan: Actually, there's quite a few AB who can't/don't speak... like Miria's friend (Hilda if I recall correctly?)

not that dietrich is half-awakened too because they are all half awakened and were sent against the male ab like the fab4? Naah its foo farfetched. I found it strange that an number 8 is able to dodge helen and deneve when even yuma had no problems with number 14:heh:

It's actually quite possible, if Deneve/Helen's analysis of the other party members is accurate (them being in the 30s-40s), the party is definitely no match for an awakened.

[evil_kenshin]

not that dietrich is half-awakened too? I found it strange that an number 8 is able to dodge helen and deneve when even yuma had no problems with number 14:heh:

well to be fair that's jumping to conclusions, we have no idea if she is half awakened or not, but she may be the one who makes the organisation aware of half-awaken's successfulness and forces Rubel to make a move.

[irvinethearcher]

Yeah this time it's to far fetched...
But she seems to be an excellent fighter perhaps she could be converted.

[Morcheeba]

Awesome! Is the english translation out also? If so can someone pm me it? :upset:

[zato_1one]

That's interesting speculation. May be her nickname is Jumper. :D

[yezhanquan]

@ yezhanquan: Actually, there's quite a few AB who can't/don't speak... like Miria's friend (Hilda if I recall correctly?)



Of course, some ABs lost their minds in the transformation. Somehow, I feel that Hilda didn't talk out of her concern over Miria.

[Newhope]

If claymore unfolds the way I think it will I think this N8 could be the key to bridgeing the gap between the 2 claymore generations, the way she fought and acted sort of reminded me of Miria and so far she been the only high ranker who hasn't shown the typical arrogance which has mired the rest I wouldn't be surprised if she was well liked and admired by the lower ranks.

[Cheese Ninja]

Wow, 8's dodging ability is first rate. Not only did she dodge Helen and Deneve, she also got into position behind Helen in the air (with some super speed, by the look of it) and maneuvered Helen to avoid either of them being hit by the Awakened Being's tentacle attack in the air. If that's yoki-sensing dodging, it's pretty amazing she can use it against both cloaked Claymores and Awakened Beings. If it's just pure skill and/or instinct, it's still very impressive.

[irvinethearcher]

yes, she seems to strong for an number 8 but who knows an number 8 isn't that weak. But if you compare rachel and audrey to her they aren't that better than her. But against riful perhaps everyone looks normally like an idiot.
But i decided to like her she seems to be very nice and with a kind heart. (Only my impression)

[yezhanquan]

She:

1) Looks like Luciella
2) is calm like Galatea
3) cares for team-mates like Jean
4) has impressive strength.

Does she have a death-flag on her?

[bk9]

@ Newhope: Indeed... but at the same time, it's not as if she was in the top 5 or anything of the like. Jean, Flora, and Miria were rather high and weren't arrogant at all. But yes, she's (so far) much more likeable than any other next-gen claymore... =)

@ Cheese Ninja: I don't think it's yoki-sensing dodging though. It's probably more skill/instinct/battle smarts since the Ghosts are pretty much undetectable right now, and I'd be surprised if #8 is that good at sensing yoki o_o.

@ Irvine: to be fair we can't really compare. Audrey and Rachel got owned by an abyssal one, so there's really no indication on how strong they really are (they could definitely be very powerful but also very stupid)

@yez: 5) she has flora's number. But to be fair, Galatea's calmness is more from her confidence/arrogance though ;p Hopefully she'll survive, but it's really not likely <_<

[irvinethearcher]

I think death is a damokles's claymore which hangs upon all claymores and the sad thing is that i like them all even miata is a good child. I hope they all will survive. Only audrey and rachel i dislike.

[yezhanquan]

I think Diet (shorthand; can't remember her name to save my life. Di-et) is not that shabby in her abilities. Who knows, her speciality may very well be a quick learner.

[Newhope]

yes, she seems to strong for an number 8 but who knows an number 8 isn't that weak. But if you compare rachel and audrey to her they aren't that better than her. But against riful perhaps everyone looks normally like an idiot.
But i decided to like her she seems to be very nice and with a kind heart. (Only my impression)

I thought her strength was on the high side too even Helen and Deneve where a bit surprised, which is a bit strange considering they trained with Miria and Claire.Another possible answer is she's like Rafaela and her rank was kept low for one reason or another.

[irvinethearcher]

Exactly my point. I have to study it again. She seems very fast. The ghost are that strong that even yuma was able to beat number 14 and her sword seems to her as if it moved in slow motion.

[yezhanquan]

For no good reason, my mind is playing her dialogue in Noto Mamiko's voice.

[Awakened]

I think #8 might be a partial awaken Claymore just like the G4. Yagi went into detail about her teammates been weak, and then he brought up the Slasher arc. I think #8 might be in the same positions as the G4 was in during the slasher arc. Ruble might have sent them to die.
The other thing that makes me think that she is partially awaken is, she seem to be really strong for a #8. If you ask me, I would say Helen is no match for her.

I think If Clare was there that Ab would have died long time ago. Clare can just walk up to him and does not need to jump around.

Edit: I just noticed the Ab had 4 arms, the slasher ark Ab had 6 arms, so many similarities.

[zato_1one]

^
^
^
This AB also has many arms. :eyespin:

[Awakened]

^
^
^
This AB also has many arms. :eyespin:

lol, I just edited my post to say that.:D

[Double_friedman]

Hello, would someone please pm the scans??

[bk9]

I think #8 might be a partial awaken Claymore just like the G4. Yagi went into detail about her teammates been weak, and then he brought up the Slasher arc. I think #8 might be in the same positions as the G4 was in during the slasher arc. Ruble might have sent them to die.
The other thing that makes me think that she is partially awaken is, she seem to be really strong for a #8. If you ask me, I would say Helen is no match for her.

I think If Clare was there that Ab would have died long time ago. Clare can just walk up to him and does not need to jump around.

Edit: I just noticed the Ab had 4 arms, the slasher ark Ab had 6 arms, so many similarities.

Indeed. Claire is just in another level n__n. I believe that's a major reason why the Cynthia/Claire/Uma group owned an AB while getting rid of 3 claymores + 3 MIB, while Deneve/Helen too a bit more time... But then again, Deneve/Helen/Dietrich beat the AB pretty quickly too =)


The Ab had several little long tungs too, just like the Slashers' AB had a long tung :D

[Awakened]

When the AB don't talk, it says something about its intelligence.

Anyway, the chapter introduces yet another new character. The December chapter beckons.

I will have to disagree with you about Abs that don't talk are not intelligent. As Deneven or Helen pointed out he lured the hunting team into the water to neutralize there speed advantage. He almost injured Helen with a combo attack.

We have also seen Abs that talked but died easily.

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

I thought her strength was on the high side too even Helen and Deneve where a bit surprised, which is a bit strange considering they trained with Miria and Claire.Another possible answer is she's like Rafaela and her rank was kept low for one reason or another.

I don't know. I really don't want to jump the gun with measuring her power level. If you think about it it's not that odd for them to be suprised. I think only somebody in the top ten (or former)could dodge an attack from them. And they just happen to run into one of them.


Poor Clarice, somebody has already stolen her move. Mybe Clarice Slash now? UM.....It doesn't feel right.

[Awakened]

After looking at the chapter again, everything seems to be pointing to how strong #8 is (Deneven and Helen constantly been surprised). Even that last page of the Chapter was a demonstration of her strength.

[yezhanquan]

I will have to disagree with you about Abs that don't talk are not intelligent. As Deneven or Helen pointed out he lured the hunting team into the water to neutralize there speed advantage. He almost injured Helen with a combo attack.

We have also seen Abs that talked but died easily.

Was it instinct, or intelligence? Anyway, it's best to have both.

[mosmos]

Did any of you notice that Helen becomes Luffy in this chapter.

Her arms lengthens and her punch seems bigger.

[Awakened]

Was it instinct, or intelligence? Anyway, it's best to have both.

I would say the Ab showed intelligence. Instinct is mostly reactionary, intelligence shows premeditation. He/she lowered them into the water.

If anything you will have to say that the hunting team did not show good judgment by choosing to fight in a place that puts them at a disadvantage. We saw the same thing in the slasher arc, when Helen went after the Ab on the Cliff. Miria had to tell Helen to get away from the cliff.

[yezhanquan]

Helen and Luffy..... If Helen ever becomes an uber-hax character...

Anyway, still waiting for the chess players to show themselves.

[Awakened]

Did anyone notice the map at the end of the chapter?

The strange thing is that Yagi put a volcano in the north, you would think that it would be too cold for an active volcano.

[yezhanquan]

If a volcano's heat comes from deep within the earth's crust, then the environment really matters very little. Can you imagine Mt. Fuji erupting (which it did in 1707-8)?

[Awakened]

Did any of you notice that Helen becomes Luffy in this chapter.

Her arms lengthens and her punch seems bigger.

I think Yagi might be cheating a bit, but it's all good.:D

Helen only has one trick, so he might be trying to make her more flexible, no punt intended. :D

[Newhope]

Did anyone notice the map at the end of the chapter?

The strange thing is that Yagi put a volcano in the north, you would think that it would be too cold for an active volcano.

Weather be it cold or warm will have no effect on where or if a volcano will be active or not.

[Awakened]

If a volcano's heat comes from deep within the earth's crust, then the environment really matters very little. Can you imagine Mt. Fuji erupting (which it did in 1707-8)?

Good point, but you usually don't think of a volcano been located in the middle of snow.

[Negativedark]

Did anyone notice the map at the end of the chapter?

The strange thing is that Yagi put a volcano in the north, you would think that it would be too cold for an active volcano.

Morbo "Volcano's Do Not Work That Way!"

As noted Volcanos are from geological process. There are volcanos in cold climates in real life. I'm pretty sure there are volcanos, or at least geothermal vents in Antartica.

Anyways D seems interesting. I wonder if she's moving up in the ranks like Miria did. Of course she might end up like Flora and Undine. Still this continues to undermine the orgs forces. They'll pretty well be down to Alicia and Beth by the time the fighting starts.

[yezhanquan]

When the lava reaches the surface, you'll have a lot of steam and water.

Anyway, volcanones in Claymore give me a headache; they remind me of the fail that is the anime ending.

Now, all I need is a pic of Diet smiling.

[Newhope]

There was volcano eruption under one of the glaciers in iceland A few years back melted a massive crater in the 200 foot thick ice sheet:P

[Awakened]

Morbo "Volcano's Do Not Work That Way!"

As noted Volcanos are from geological process. There are volcanos in cold climates in real life. I'm pretty sure there are volcanos, or at least geothermal vents in Antartica.

Anyways D seems interesting. I wonder if she's moving up in the ranks like Miria did. Of course she might end up like Flora and Undine. Still this continues to undermine the orgs forces. They'll pretty well be down to Alicia and Beth by the time the fighting starts.

I was just saying that it's a strange place to put it that’s all. When I think of volcanoes, I think of them been in tropical places or Hawaii.

[Sordes Pilosus]

seams like its not out on the link Tenken gave me. Anyone stil around and awake who could ?¨

nvm. Just found it

[zato_1one]

That map in the end is in game, I think. Didn't necessary mean that Yagi-sensei draw it.
The developers may use some elements from Anime.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I think it's more likely that the loss of around 70-80% of the previous generation in a fairly short time frame probaly forced the org to cut corners in producing the current generation so they could get a combat worthy force as fast as possible with Clarice been one of the signs of this rush job.

And then on the other hand, the reason the organization was willing to lose 70-80% of their forces? Alicia and Beth? Did they look too concerned about losing that number when Alicia was decimating the ABs, while the Eye watched? The island is just an experiment anyway; perhaps, they even have a failsafe to wipe everything out if things go out of control. But the point is, the organization doesn't really have to worry about Abyssal Ones, Awakened Beings, Yoma and so forth, as long as the main part of the experiment goes as planned. I think they're being a little short sighted with Alicia and Beth.

[Awakened]

That map in the end is in game, I think. Didn't necessary mean that Yagi-sensei draw it.
The developers may use some elements from Anime.

I thought it was he drew it, but you might be right.

It also pointed to the current location of Clare and Co. Irene location is also on that map. Was that a hint that Irene is still alive?

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I'm glad she is pretty, I got tired of looking at the new manly looking claymores. Speaking of a certain one. *cough cough* Rachel *cough cough*

:heh: Figures the one claymore with a manly name, isn't manly looking in the new bunch.

[hun inquisitive man]

I don't see the new chapter yet but isn't it possible that the number 8 can use her youki while Helen and Deneve supressed it and that's the reason why she can dodge their attack and fight better than them?

[Gangsta Spanksta]

This chapter clearly show that the ghost isn't invincible. Helen has too much confident and she is nearly got her ass kicked. :heh: 1-1 with AB is still too dangerous even for a ghost. IMO

Clare, Miria and probably Miata would've been another story. But as been already said here, this might have been an elimination mission. It probably was a very strong AB.

Of course, some ABs lost their minds in the transformation. Somehow, I feel that Hilda didn't talk out of her concern over Miria.

I thought that was the obvious reason. even the facial expressions of Hilda suggested it.


Poor Clarice, somebody has already stolen her move. Mybe Clarice Slash now? UM.....It doesn't feel right.

The Clarice Sprint? :heh:

After looking at the chapter again, everything seems to be pointing to how strong #8 is (Deneven and Helen constantly been surprised). Even that last page of the Chapter was a demonstration of her strength.

Yup. I too favor the theory that she is half awakened. This chapter is just so good that I wouldn't even mind it not being part of the main plot, but a half awakened 8 links it. :P And I think that now Yagi has given her to use, we want more.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Hmmm Lets see:

Clare, Cynthia and Yuma. Encounter: #6 Renee
Helen and Deneve. Encounter: #8 Dietrich (Cant say im fond of that name..)
Miria and Tabith. On Scene with: Galatea, Clarice and Miata.


It seams to be set up that each group has some contact with current generation Claymore's. It seams like a possible buildup for quite alot of "Insight", a posibility is that the ones that get introduced this way will also be amoung those that will "Support" The Ghosts later in the series. Almost simular to the Slasher's, how it became clear that Helen, Deneve and Miria would becomme central character's. Depending how these encounter's play out. This might be the "Next Ones" for the future fights to some degree.

[revan5]

I don't see the new chapter yet but isn't it possible that the number 8 can use her youki while Helen and Deneve supressed it and that's the reason why she can dodge their attack and fight better than them?

I think she might be a better mobile fighter than Helen, but her attacking ability & experience fighting awakened beings is clearly not up to the two Ghosts'.

Deneve on the other hand far and away showed herself to be the best fighter here. Helen was one of the two more effective fighters (her and Deneve), but she was also the most overconfident, the least mobile and the most exposed. No 8 only really did a couple of things: she managed to help Helen dodge an attack, she rescued a comrade, and she cut off an arm before it hit Helen and sliced the monster in half.

Seems like a lot until you realize she was moments away from dying until Helen intervened and sliced one of the AB's right arms off. If it weren't for the Ghosts this Dietrich would've been a goner.

I'll have to wait until we get a proper translation before I can switch over to discussing the consequences of what happened in this chapter on my island war thread. Hopefully that translation will be up within the next day.

[Cyclone]

Personally, the AB looks to me uncannily similar to the 6 armed AB in the Slashers Arc. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the circumstances that led to this encounter were similar as well (i.e. another kill off attempt). If that is the case, it's likely that No 8 is a half awakened or that the injured Claymore will be forced to half awaken (like Deneve had to do) to save her own life. This could showcase Helen and/or Deneve actually helping someone to half awaken for the first time - which would be kinda cool.

As for volcanos... uhm... most volcanos are underwater in the Pacific's ring of fire. Some of the best on land examples though are on display in Iceland though. Now would probably be a good time to visit there too - I hear their economy is collapsing, so the trip should be cheap.

[yezhanquan]

How many male ABs are there anyway? They stopped making them some time ago, Riful and Duff killed off quite a bit, and they still continue to pop up like rabbits.

[PlayStation64]

Would anyone please PM me a link for the chapter? :)

Thanks in advance!

[yezhanquan]

Currently, we only have the Chinese scans. English scans are not yet up.

[PlayStation64]

Chinese scans or raw would be fine! :) I just wanna see the chapter! =D

[Cheese Ninja]

How many male ABs are there anyway? They stopped making them some time ago, Riful and Duff killed off quite a bit, and they still continue to pop up like rabbits.

I've thought about that as well. Either they were really good at staying alive until the Pieta arc, or the first few generations with males were much bigger groups. Although there didn't even seem to be more than one generation of males, since the top three males knew each other's relative strength by their rank both as hybrids and Awakened Beings. Maybe the organization is lying when they say they don't make male hybrids anymore? The one in the Slashers arc was used by the organization to kill off possibly rebellious warriors.

Between, Pieta and the Claymores, Riful and Duff, Alicia and Beth, and a few other deaths, that's something like 20-30 killed off Male Awakened Beings, quite a number.

[Anima]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9530/dodgepa3.jpg
Whoosh! And nice dodge. XD
Execuse me but why is Clare's face on Helen's head?

[Sordes Pilosus]

It might be simular but to me i see Helen's face on Helen. However I find this chapter quite interesting. Well hoping for a good text summery regarding the conversations since they are the "true valuable stuff" in this chapter. Just from the images i get kinda this idea where the "Ghost Claymore's/Org Claymore's" thing is heading.

[tunjee01]

Actually we dont know how many male awakened beings were around. Even the ones in pieta we only know about 7 were males. the 1st three that were killed in pieta, rigaldo, gaheh, duph, the guy with gaheh, slasher AB and isley. Those are the only males we know. And dont determine them by how their awakened forms look.

[evil_kenshin]

I've thought about that as well. Either they were really good at staying alive until the Pieta arc, or the first few generations with males were much bigger groups. Although there didn't even seem to be more than one generation of males, since the top three males knew each other's relative strength by their rank both as hybrids and Awakened Beings. Maybe the organization is lying when they say they don't make male hybrids anymore? The one in the Slashers arc was used by the organization to kill off possibly rebellious warriors.

Between, Pieta and the Claymores, Riful and Duff, Alicia and Beth, and a few other deaths, that's something like 20-30 killed off Male Awakened Beings, quite a number.

Well from what I gather they still make male hybrids in the mainland with the occasional one done. If its confirmed that the warriors from this chapter were sent to die against an AB , then it's a bit more than a coincidence that both times were male AB's

But your right

There was the 31 unnamed male AB's from Isley's Campaign
Isley himself
Rigardo
Duff
6 arms
Male AB this chapter

The odds of a full generation of male AB's lasting over a 100 years is pretty low. Yet we have atleast 36 known male AB's who we have seen.

Actually we dont know how many male awakened beings were around. Even the ones in pieta we only know about 7 were males. the 1st three that were killed in pieta, rigaldo, gaheh, duph, the guy with gaheh, slasher AB and isley. Those are the only males we know. And dont determine them by how their awakened forms look.

Actually its reasonable to judge by AB form, all females have their breasts when they awaken, males have a muscular chest or similar. This so far has been the case.

[xeratal]

can someone send me a link to the raw scans? chinese is fine.

[Goofus Maximus]

Did anyone notice the map at the end of the chapter?

The strange thing is that Yagi put a volcano in the north, you would think that it would be too cold for an active volcano.

If a volcano's heat comes from deep within the earth's crust, then the environment really matters very little. Can you imagine Mt. Fuji erupting (which it did in 1707-8)?

In real life, there is at least one active volcano under the ice sheet in Antarctica (http://www.livescience.com/environment/080120-antarctic-volcano.html). As well as this one (http://erebus.nmt.edu/), and also there is a large chain of active volcanos in Alaska. All of these are part of the "Ring of Fire" encircling the Pacific Ocean.

[eloign]

My input to the Dietrich-discussion: “Dietrich“ can indeed be used as a first name (f.e. Dietrich Bonhoeffer) despite the fact it is very antiquated. ;)
I assume that Yagi made a mistake since “Dietlinde” would be a proper female equivalent for Dietrich.

[irvinethearcher]

If those really are half-awakened they will probably join forces with the others in rabona.
It will be only reasonable that many of the other claymores will join the ghost. At the end the org will have only alicia and a few fanatics and psychos like ophelia who help them.
But alicia alone is incredible powerful. In the end probably only clare or another AO/Pricsiclla/Raciella will be able to beat her like it was in pieta against rigardo. This isn't good - i fear that many claymores will have to die in the last battle. It will be harder than pieta. All will probably happen like miria said.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

:cool: If those Claymores were on an AB hunt, then chances are that there is a MIB watching. :cool::cool: If those Claymores were sent to be eliminated, then the chances of a MIB watching just doubled.

[zato_1one]

I think she might be a better mobile fighter than Helen, but her attacking ability & experience fighting awakened beings is clearly not up to the two Ghosts'.

You may be right but she's still pretty impressive. She was calm and could prioritize the situation. She didn't feel panic like "WTF! Who r u" She knew that killing this AB was the first priority. So she decided to cooperate with the ghost without hesitation and also helped Helen. Even if the ghost just tried to knock her out a minute ago. Her experience may be fewer but I think she had enough potential to fight on par with the ghost. ;)

:cool: If those Claymores were on an AB hunt, then chances are that there is a MIB watching. :cool::cool: If those Claymores were sent to be eliminated, then the chances of a MIB watching just doubled.

I also think that but they've lost Renee. So may be they didn't have enough resource to spy this team.

[irvinethearcher]

A good idea, that like galatea and ermita, someone is watching to confirm the death of the ha's.
It will be probably ermita. If clare will be united with galatea and miria they will know the identity of the second spy - ermita, because galatea will tell them about "his concern for his children" ;)
But this time he will have no eye. perhaps he observes it with his own eyes.

[mosmos]

i love you guys. you guys are wonderful.

[agentlegiant]

can someone send me a link to claymore 85 plz? chinese scan is fine with me.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

http://tieba.baidu.com/

just search for Claymore there and I'm sure the first result would be promising. :d

[MC2]

I don't usually post here but I guess this may be useful for those who can't wait to find out what happened. Pardon any errors please. Here it goes.

2.
Hehehe.
Doesn't matter what you think or even if you don't believe me.
From the moment you brought me Theresa's head and wanted to join the organisation, I felt that this was to be.
I felt like I was the one who brought you up and really favoured you.
Seeing you after so long really makes me happy.

Have you not thought about what would happen if we told the organisation about you?

Who would believe words from a traitor?
Beside, there's nothing that I did.


3.
Whatever you want to do from here on is up to you.
It's up to you if you want to save Rune and Rafela or not.
But... Rafela was under my care too and I care a lot about her too.

!

Someone who's not a friend isn't necessarily an enemy.
And you may even hit off well if you two meet... who knows.


4.
Clare: Chhh...

Cynthia: What should be done about those two people, Clare?

Yuma: We're not going of course. Opposing an awaked being is suicidal!

Clare: ...


5.
Clare: No matter, let's go back to our plan to head west. In a place as large as the west, I don't think Riful can detect us so easily.

Cynthia: But what will you do if we get discovered, Clare?

Clare: We'll talk about that when it happens...


6.
Helen: Say, why do you think they have failed?

Deneve: Hmm, there are a few reasons. But the biggest failure was to let the monster take them to the water. This way, they've lost their only speed advantage.


7.
:: Awakened being roaring ::


8.
Deneve: First of all, the team is a failure. Apart form the single digit warrior, the rest are inexperienced. I guess they've never had the experience with an awakend being.

I'm afraid they're all ranked from the 30s - 40s. Not being able to get the required manpower, in other words, the organisation's shortage is the biggest problem here...

Helen: Heheheh.

Deneve: ? What's so funny?


9.
Helen: You've said this before... and in the end I recall your life being saved by a lowly ranked fella.

Deneve: ! Don't talk about what happened in the past. It's depressing.

Helen: Ok, sorry sorry. I feel that those aren't happy memories as well.

But what would happen if there is a fight? Who do you think is stronger now, Clare or sister Miria?

Deneve: Is there even a point asking?


10.
Deneve: In speed, endurance, strength and swordmanship, Miria has the upper hand. Even if you consider mental strength and concentration (or leadership?), Miria still holds the advantage.

But Clare has limitless impulsive power. This uncertainty could be Clare's greatest strength or her weakness.

Helen: Just like an untamable little child/monster. Even though she looks calm on the surface, but there is a lot of of spite within.

Deneve: Even in age, she's the youngest of of the 7 of us. So it's no wrong to say she's a spoilt brat either.

!!


12.
Helen: They're left with only 1 now... although the other 3 aren't dead... this isn't good.

Deneve: But the only warrior standing is the only one able to handle the awakened being.

Helen: What do you want to do? To help?

Deneve: Didn't Miria say to avoid trouble. To be seen by present day warriors won't be good.


13.
Deneve: But if you insist in helping... although it is against my intentions, I have no choice but to help you too.

Helen: In this case, let's forget it. They're not my comrades anyway. And I don't like to get myself wet.

Deneve: ! (lol, she looks surprised, a wtf moment)

Helen: Let's get on with the journey. Safety first. *grin*


14.
Helen: Besides, we might be facing off with the organisation soon. Letting the strong ones get done off like this may be a good thing.

Now lets... *breaking off into teasing song* on the road, on the road.

Deneve: I'm gonna get angry, Helen.

Helen: Hehe. Clare's not the only one's who's stubborn.


15.
Helen: I don't care about Miria's orders or yours Deneve. I'm going to take this awakened being myself!


17.
Deneve: Oh well, she always acting any old how and giving me a headache... But this time, there's no choice. I must go against your orders, Miria.


19.
Claymore: Who in the world are you two?


20.
Claymore: What do you think you are doing? Are you friend or foe?

Helen: Didn't put enough strength into it?

Deneve: No. This one is good.


22.
Helen: Ack, it's coming towards me. ****, this fella.

Deneve: HELEN!


23.
Helen: You bugger, why did you..

Claymore: When both of you attacked me, you didn't use your swords but just your fists/leg. That's why I understand that you're not out to kill me and just want to knock me out. That must mean you guys don't want me to see you. You're not foe. Am I right?


24.
Helen: Hehe. What's your number?

Claymore: No. 8. Call me Dietrich (literal phonetic translation: Di-te-li-si).

Helen: We are secret warriors from the organisation. We don't appear out in the open and we're currently performing an important mission. It'll be troublesome if we get seen by the others.

Dietrich: I understand. I'll pretend I don't know a thing. But now's not the time. I want to bring those who have lost their consciousness out of here. You could guys help?

Helen: This one isn't fun at all.

Deneve: We'll take one each, ok?

Dietrich: Thank you. I owe you guys one.


26.
Deneve: Good. It should be fine. Now...


29.
Helen: Chhh... I aimed straight at the brains...


30.
Deneve: Using the awakened being's body as a spring and able to reach such a height in a single jump. Finish it, it's all yours.

31.
Dietrich: Even if polluted by evil, both you and I are/were both warriors. This one is out of respect among comrades.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Hey, BTW, guys, I say that we got to see the new number 8's symbol is a good thing. If she wasn't an important part of the story, she wouldn't have gotten a symbol. Right? :D

[Fenrir_valindri]

The new Claymore seems likeable enough, and she is also skilled enough to suprise Helen & Deneve.

Which does indirectly tell us many people have been underestimating this Generations strength.

She does resembgle Lucalea a bit, and she seems to be suprisingly agile, which is always a plus. :heh:

-----

As for this being a suicide mission, I admit that it has some resemblance to The Fab 4's AB hunt but I think it is to early to tell whether she is a partially-awakened or not.

Edit: Her last words do make it seem likely she is a Partially-awakened.

[MC2]

I don't know. But the last words she said before she struck the awakened being can be interpreted both ways I think.

[zato_1one]

5.
Clare: No matter, let's go back to our plan to head west. In a place as large as the west, I don't think Riful can detect us so easily.

Cynthia: But what will you do if we get discovered, Clare?

Clare: We'll talk about that when it happens...

:heh:

Thanks MC2 for the translation.

[Gooral]

Yeah, thanks MC2.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Which does indirectly tell us many people have been underestimating this Generations strength.


Not necessarily. Not if she is half awakened, The biggest thing is we have Deneve saying, "No this one is good," while our Fab 4 didn't seem too impressed with the skills of #3 and #5 at the beginning of this second phase of Claymore. ;) Heck, she even kicked Number three.

Anyway, what I find interesting about this chapter is that, despite trying to kill her, Rubel actually sees Clare as a daughter and cares for Raphela as well. I believe what he says; I think it is sincere.

Helen: I don't care about Miria's orders or yours Deneve. I'm going to take this awakened being myself!

Heh. Troublesome Three, indeed. This chapter gave Helen and Deneve the spotlight that they deserve. I'm not sure that Miria would have enough Claymores to watch the pair. I'm looking forward to seeing what our new number 8 will reveal in the next chapter. There is a reason why this chapter ended without goodbyes, "c'ya but wouldn't wanna b'ya" :D

Anyway, as for the fight, I think Helen and Deneve did most of the damage to the AB. So, while she was very, very impressive, I wouldn't go as far as saying that she was better than the ghosts there.

[irvinethearcher]

thx 4 translation
interesting the part about the miria vs. clare discussion.
Is there a better translation for "limitless impulsive power"?
Perhaps "drive"?


Anyway, what I find interesting about this chapter is that, despite trying to kill her, Rubel actually sees Clare as a daughter and cares for Raphela as well. I believe what he says; I think it is sincere.

Yeah, probably rubel taught clare many dirty tricks and recognized her natural talent to improvise and use those tricks even under extreme presure ;)

I like helen and deneve because they're anarchists and troublemakers :) They can't act against her nature just like clare :)

[MC2]

thx 4 translation
interesting the part about the miria vs. clare discussion.
Is there a better translation for "limitless impulsive power"?
Perhaps "drive"?

You're welcomed all.

Yes, perhaps drive would be better.

The literal translation of what Deneve said is something like: "But Clare has an explosive power that is deep beyond depths".

[tenken627]

Thanks Jonovo and MC2 for the translations.

The DS page has a world map too with the exact locations of places that we always wondered about.


http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg


From that map, you can see exactly where Rabona, Pieta, Organization's HQ, and Irene's shack are.

[Sordes Pilosus]

They should have included Riful's lair, its a central spot aswell. It would really have set things in perspective. But I Must admit Irene choose probably one of the best places to hide herself. Its far Downriver so she has a good supply of water if needed be and its so far south other's wont go there often. Its near a "boarder" so no real zones will cover her area well. And its almost as far from the Org HQ as one can get.


As for the Chapter itself. The next chapter will be an other goodie it seams. I really like alot of the big Story Chapter's we have gotten recently. Im suspecting next chapter will be: Renee&Riful in one half and Deneve&Helen in the other. Starting with Helen&Deneve, and ending with Riful getting some sort of info about Clare's group. Some Yoma or simular reporting about what happened in the town Clare's group was just in. It would tie the events together quite well, can be a nice Story Related Chapter but stil a nice build up. This chapter does kinda point out that Clare's group will be in even further trouble.

[madeleine]

Hello!
Can someone help me with a link for chapter 85?I'm dying to read it or at least to see it.Thanks a lot!

[Awakened]

Helen: Just like an untamable little child/monster. Even though she looks calm on the surface, but there is a lot of of spite within.

Deneve: Even in age, she's the youngest of of the 7 of us. So it's no wrong to say she's a spoilt brat either.



Hahahaaha, thats so funny.

[Newhope]

Deneve: In speed, endurance, strength and swordmanship, Miria has the upper hand. Even if you consider mental strength and concentration (or leadership?), Miria still holds the advantage.

But Clare has limitless impulsive power. This uncertainty could be Clare's greatest strength or her weakness.

Helen: Just like an untamable little child/monster. Even though she looks calm on the surface, but there is a lot of of spite within.

Deneve: Even in age, she's the youngest of of the 7 of us. So it's no wrong to say she's a spoilt brat either.



I think this part clears up who the two strong ghosts are, the way Helen and Deneve where talking about the other two seems to suggest they think Miria and claire are stronger than they are and it's a toss up which one between the two is the stronger.

[Sordes Pilosus]

I think the best way to also read into that is that in terms of general rankings Miria would take first spot, but if they where to put either Miria or Clare against an oponent they where unsure of their chances then it would be Clare they woult put forward in that fight. Basicly Clare is stil unstabil, or is seen as sutch but both accept that Miria and Clare is the "Top Two". But its just good that Miria is stil ranked above, it gives room for more growth for Clare afterall. Even if we will just see the fruits of their training for quite a while stil.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

thx 4 translation
interesting the part about the miria vs. clare discussion.
Is there a better translation for "limitless impulsive power"?
Perhaps "drive"?


I don't know how much we can take from that discussion. For one, people are always underestimating Clare. Also, both Helen and Deneve are Miria bias. Notice they refer to Clare as Clare but Miria as "Sister Miria." :) It's almost like Miria-sama

[Sleepy Speculator]

Woah nice translation... thanks...

Anyone notice all the important stuff Irene's hideout, Riful, Clare's patrol route/ Rabona is in the Western lands?

Oh yeah and Clare is the youngest... younger than even Yuma, this means that she's likely not been a claymore long at the start of the manga, no wonder she was #47 and no one knew her. It may have been her misfortune to be the only claymore to rebel so early in her career i noticed none of the claymore in Pieta knew her either yet Clare did know of at least some other claymores as she says so whilst avoiding Jean's hunting team (i don't think she's referring to Miria and co either)

[Newhope]

Woah nice translation... thanks...

Anyone notice all the important stuff Irene's hideout, Riful, Clare's patrol route/ Rabona is in the Western lands?

Oh yeah and Clare is the youngest... younger than even Yuma, this means that she's likely not been a claymore long at the start of the manga, no wonder she was #47 and no one knew her. It may have been her misfortune to be the only claymore to rebel so early in her career i noticed none of the claymore in Pieta knew her either yet Clare did know of at least some other claymores as she says so whilst avoiding Jean's hunting team (i don't think she's referring to Miria and co either)

I don't think the reason no one knew her was her age I think it more likely the way the claymore system works, I think about the only way claymores meet is though AB hunts and at least during Claire gen claymore's ranked 30-47 where rarely used which means low ranked wouldn't get the chance to meet many other claymore's and so won't be very well known, the only other way I can think they would know each other is if they are roughly the same age and where in training togeather like Helen and Deneve.

[hell88]

This means Clare's friend Elena wasn't a claymore for very long then once she started to awaken.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Well that's the other thing Clare at least knew other trainees even if they don't all survive they recognise others, Elena patently wasn't in Clare's graduation class thingy and yet there she was a fully qualified claymore that sent a black card request to Clare. And whilst promotions from low ranks is mentioned somewhere as being notable, the org regularly promotes more proficient warriors to higher slots. Miria went up several times, the Renee search team were offered promotions for doing some dirty work etc. Clare hadn't shifted from the #47 slot despite the crazy things going on around her, (she offed 5 yoma in one sitting, did a covert op, survived an AB hunt etc). It would appear that part of the reason for this is now inexperience, Yuma was in the #40 slot and even she was in awe of Clare. Ophelia having to explain everything to Clare whilst cutting her up sure makes alot more sense knowing that Clare was a *new* claymore.

[bk9]

I thought it was rather strange to learn that Claire was the youngest among the ghosts... Especially since she's a bit older than Ophelia, who joined the org at around the same time or even after Claire, since she lost her brother to Priscilla. Claire in the Teresa arc was also arguably older than Ophelia was when she lost her brother too (based on their looks, they appear to be at least around the same age).

At the same time, in the Miria flashback, Miria was rising quickly in ranks which could imply that she was not very old and was still "growing" as a claymore, while Ophelia seemed to be quite established as a Claymore (but then again, maybe she just had tremendous talent and progressed incredibly quickly).

[Awakened]

I thought it was rather strange to learn that Claire was the youngest among the ghosts... Especially since she's a bit older than Ophelia, who joined the org at around the same time or even after Claire, since she lost her brother to Priscilla. Claire in the Teresa arc was also arguably older than Ophelia was when she lost her brother too (based on their looks, they appear to be at least around the same age).

At the same time, in the Miria flashback, Miria was rising quickly in ranks which could imply that she was not very old and was still "growing" as a claymore, while Ophelia seemed to be quite established as a Claymore (but then again, maybe she just had tremendous talent and progressed incredibly quickly).

Rank has nothing to do with age.
Priscilla was #2, right out of boot-camp
Riful was the youngest claymore to awaken, and she was #1.

High ranked Claymore will be more knowledgeable because they keep company with the big players.

[Newhope]

Ya I found it a bit odd that Claire the youngest I thought she was older than Ophelia and judgeing from Miria's extra scene the way Ophelia talked about Miria give me the impression she was the older of the two.

[notactuallytom]

What's the japanese pronunciation of dietrich's name?

[Jasperboo]

Rubel probably had something to do with Clares rank staying at 47.


Dietrich could be a future enemy leader when the fight with the org starts. She has been introduced as being intelligent and a capable fighter. Also the first meeting was a little too friendly or am I just paraniod.

[SagaraSouske]

I think Ophelia is prob older then Claire real age wise. She may have joined the Org later then Clare but she is prob older when she joined. Judging from the Miria Extra chapter, Ophelia likely graduated earlier then Clare.

[Newhope]

Rubel probably had something to do with Clares rank staying at 47.


Dietrich could be a future enemy leader when the fight with the org starts. She has been introduced as being intelligent and a capable fighter. Also the first meeting was a little too friendly or am I just paraniod.

I think she may be the one to turns alot of the current gen against the org, I don't know why but she really reminds me of Miria for some reason.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Rubel probably had something to do with Clares rank staying at 47.


Dietrich could be a future enemy leader when the fight with the org starts. She has been introduced as being intelligent and a capable fighter. Also the first meeting was a little too friendly or am I just paraniod.

At the beginning of the story Clare truly was number 47. However, after half awakening, and being able to kill groups of Yoma at ease, she had moved up the ladder. Of course, Rubel was keeping this from the organization. Like Renee said: a 47 moving up quickly through the Ranks would've been the talk amongst all in the organization. It just doesn't happen. Soon enough, the organization would've investigated and learned about half awakenings. Like is said: They have Alicia and Beth, but what they really want is a Clare. :)

I think Ophelia is prob older then Claire real age wise. She may have joined the Org later then Clare but she is prob older when she joined. Judging from the Miria Extra chapter, Ophelia likely graduated earlier then Clare.

She could have been younger than Clare when Clare joined, but after Clare had Teresa's flesh and blood inserted into her, her aging slowed. Just because she is the youngest of the ghosts, doesn't mean that the process of becoming a Claymore was fast. Ophelia was an amazing Claymore, who could fight high ranking Awakened Beings by herself. She was outmatched by Irene, but the gap between #2 and #4 might have been wide in previous generations. Also, they might keep training most Claymores, but put the 40-somethings out early, figuring that they don't last too long anyway.

[Serous]

I think that Irene was as strong as a No 1, it was just that her generation had teresa and priscilla.

[tunjee01]

I think Irene was stronger than a regular no 2 but weaker than a regular no 1. And another thing we dont know if clare joined before ophelia or ophelia joined b4 clare. We just know clare took teresa's head and was looking for a mib. there is the possibility ophelia joined b4 clare. It might be that the 1st town priscilla destroyed after awakening was ophelia's. And if you look at the picture of clare when she met rubel it would seem she had been walking for days if not there would still be blood dropping from teresa's head when she found rubel. Just my thoughts though if you dont agree with it please explain why.

[Jasperboo]

I think she may be the one to turns alot of the current gen against the org, I don't know why but she really reminds me of Miria for some reason.

I feel she is like Miria too which is sort of why i think she could a main enemy, like Mirias nemesis or something like that.


At the beginning of the story Clare truly was number 47. However, after half awakening, and being able to kill groups of Yoma at ease, she had moved up the ladder. Of course, Rubel was keeping this from the organization. Like Renee said: a 47 moving up quickly through the Ranks would've been the talk amongst all in the organization. It just doesn't happen. Soon enough, the organization would've investigated and learned about half awakenings. Like is said: They have Alicia and Beth, but what they really want is a Clare. :)


The conversation with Rubel at the end of The Slashers 1 has new meaning now, as soon as he had seen her strength from the half awakening he is trying to get her killed.

[irvinethearcher]

Notice they refer to Clare as Clare but Miria as "Sister Miria." It's almost like Miria-sama


IMO they should be more thankful for what clare did. I wondered too why they call miria her "sister" and clare only clare. Perhaps it is only because of the translation and means nothing.
But clare was allways a loner so it isn't a big surprise if they are miria biased.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

But clare was allways a loner so it isn't a big surprise if they are miria biased.

Though she leads the team, I doubt that time spent with Miria is all that more meaningful than time spent with Clare, the loner. In a way Miria is a loner herself. She's is very secretive; I mean just look at all the things she been hiding from her comrades. She's quite serious most of the time, like Clare, not at all the outgoing personality of Helen. In a way, she has a lot more in common with Clare than the others -- the difference being that she is responsible and leadership material unlike Clare. But honestly, that's how it is a lot of times when you are the leader of some group; you get first preference in opinions.

[bk9]

Rank has nothing to do with age.
Priscilla was #2, right out of boot-camp
Riful was the youngest claymore to awaken, and she was #1.

High ranked Claymore will be more knowledgeable because they keep company with the big players.

I never said anything about rank being related to age o_O What I said about Ophelia is that she seemed "well established"... by that I mean that she seemed to have been there for quite a while and seemed to have quite a bit of experience, perhaps much more than Miria, who at the time was sort of young talent who wasn't done "growing" and was still progressing as a Claymore. Because of that, one would be lead to think that Ophelia is older... and then I assumed Claire would also be older than her (since She and Ophelia would be about the same age), which is, to my surprise, wrong.

Priscilla was #2, and she basically didn't know anything, same for Miata who's #4. Riful was the youngest to reach #1 and also awakened hella quickly.. implying a big lack of experience... so High ranked claymore aren't necessarily more knowledgeable either. Yet Ophelia seemed to have much more experience than Miria, which could imply she's been there for quite a while, possibly longer than Miria.


I think Irene was stronger than a regular no 2 but weaker than a regular no 1. And another thing we dont know if clare joined before ophelia or ophelia joined b4 clare. We just know clare took teresa's head and was looking for a mib. there is the possibility ophelia joined b4 clare. It might be that the 1st town priscilla destroyed after awakening was ophelia's. And if you look at the picture of clare when she met rubel it would seem she had been walking for days if not there would still be blood dropping from teresa's head when she found rubel. Just my thoughts though if you dont agree with it please explain why.

But even so, it would also take days for Ophelia to be found by the organization after she fled her village, so it's still possible for Claire and Ophelia to have joined the org at around the same time (perhaps one joined up to a few months after the other, but I don't think it makes such a difference), Ophelia becoming Claymore more quickly because she's more talented and has a pure yoma in her. But still, age-wise, both'd be the same age.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Like I said, a Claymore's age can be a tricky thing. We really don't know how and when the aging process slows for a Claymore, and how long they train. Ophelia could have been initially younger than Clare, but Clare received the Blood and Flesh of Teresa before Ophelia that of a Yoma's. So Clare aging could have already slowed, and thus Ophelia now is older than Clare. Being a number four, she could have excelled in the training and graduated so to speak well before Clare. She could have been a prodigy like Priscilla, and started very early. The fact that she is able to hunt ABs by herself means that she received experience quicker than most Claymores from going on AB hunts. Look at what 7 years did for the ghosts. They've gained experience faster than Claymores usually do. The war up north helped too. It could have just been a very talented claymore excelling early on, and that is not to mention that when a Claymores age slows might be different from Claymore to Claymore, just as if they get pointy ears or not.

[iLney]

Hah, this new gal is kinda naive..... secret mission claymores? :heh: Is she stupid or what?

On the bright side, I really like her attitude toward ABs; at least, there is one person who remembers those ABs were once claymores :)

Look at what 7 years did for the ghost.

Hmm, most claymores don't even live that long. 7 years of pure training is a luxury.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

:) There any place stating the avg life span of a Claymore in service, besides the bit about 40-somethings not lasting too long? I look at it this way: Claymores are immortals; what is seven years to an immortal? If Claymores are trained for years, but a prodigy can 'graduate' at an early age, then it wouldn't be too far fetched for one who hunts awakened beings for 7 years to gain a lot of experience. :) It's all speculation, but I'm just saying that it is possible for Ophelia to come off as a vet, while maria who is supposedly older had less experience at that point, if Ophelia 'graduated' from the uh 'claymore academy' early on. :) Come on all special forces secret black ops claymores know this stuff...

[iLney]

Actually except for the like of Miria, Devene, Helen and Clare. Other warriors don't last long, either due to ABs or black letter. Remember, Hilda, number 7 or so, which is quite high, sent a black letter. Even Rosemary, a former #1 (you can call her a fluke but the fact remains that she was a #1) sent out a black letter. Intentionally or not, Orsay didn't seem to be surprised, which could tell us it was pretty common for Claymores to end up like that no matter how strong they once were. The more they fought, the closer they are to the black letters except for some absurdly strong ones like Teresa and Raph.

It's also a policy of the Org to keep their life spans low.... So ye, 7 years is a long time. Only speculation though :)

[GundamZZ]

Remember, Hilda, number 7 or so, which is quite high, sent a black letter.
I don't remember Hilda demoted from number 6.

Google search only tells me about Marlene Dietrich. I thought it would be some artist reference. You know, it's like... Isley of north land Alfons and Priscilla's birth place Mucha. It's known to be the reference to the Slav Epic artist Alfons Mucha.

Seeing Irene's picture on the map give me the hope for her future story.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Actually except for the like of Miria, Devene, Helen and Clare. Other warriors don't last long, either due to ABs or black letter. Remember, Hilda, number 7 or so, which is quite high, sent a black letter. Even Rosemary, a former #1 (you can call her a fluke but the fact remains that she was a #1) sent out a black letter. Intentionally or not, Orsay didn't seem to be surprised, which could tell us it was pretty common for Claymores to end up like that no matter how strong they once were. The more they fought, the closer they are to the black letters except for some absurdly strong ones like Teresa and Raph.

It's also a policy of the Org to keep their life spans low.... So ye, 7 years is a long time. Only speculation though :)

Of course there is a problem with some of the examples you use. ;) You have no idea how long Rosemary was #1. I also don't know if there is any information about how long Hilda has been a Claymore. Yes, we do know that *some* claymore, gradually awaken and send out black cards. Obviously, many die on the battlefield. So it has yet been established that all Claymores gradually awaken. In fact, quite on the contrary, Irene gives another posibility of a Claymore living forever, unchanging, frozen in time. Even for the ones that gradually awaken, there has been nothing to suggest that the rate is set to some default. So, just because there are concepts as gradual awakenings and black cards, doesn't establish that Claymores have short lifespans. Also, just because a Claymore believes something in the story, doesn't mean they're right either. From what we seen of Yagi-sama, many of the characters in the story have false assumptions. Heck, some claymores believe that there are veracious eaters, as in powerful yoma with a diner's club card.

[iLney]

Of course there is a problem with some of the examples you use. ;) You have no idea how long Rosemary was #1. I also don't know if there is any information about how long Hilda has been a Claymore. Yes, we do know that *some* claymore, gradually awaken and send out black cards. Obviously, many die on the battlefield. So it has yet been established that all Claymores gradually awaken. In fact, quite on the contrary, Irene gives another posibility of a Claymore living forever, unchanging, frozen in time. Even for the ones that gradually awaken, there has been nothing to suggest that the rate is set to some default. So, just because there are concepts as gradual awakenings and black cards, doesn't establish that Claymores have short lifespans. Also, just because a Claymore believes something in the story, doesn't mean they're right either. From what we seen of Yagi-sama, many of the characters in the story have false assumptions. Heck, some claymores believe that there are veracious eaters, as in powerful yoma with a diner's club card.

I used Rosemary because of the quality. If even she eventually ended up like that, the average claymores wouldn't last long. Hilda when she first met Miria was quite healthy for me, even Miria was not aware of her condition, I doubt even Hilda did. The only thing it showed was how fast and sudden one seemingly healthy claymore could turn out like that. Heck, even Clare would've been long gone after fighting only a yoma if not for Raki. And ye, Irene did mention that but it is only true if a claymore is either Teresa or Raph who didn't have to use yoki to fight, or live a life of a hermit like Irene whose life ended pretty rapidly after she used yoki again.

Besides, the Org didn't favor long lived claymore either, once in a while they could send them to some crazy missions. I never said it was "natural" for a claymore to have short life, rather I suggested that the way they lived forced them to have a tiny life span. Not everyone had the luck of Miria, Clare and co. Even someone like Yuma can change that much if given a big fat 7 years period of freedom and training, and she was not even 1/2 awakened. :) If only Jean, Flora were still alive ...

[Fenrir_valindri]

That probably address Miria the way they do because she is older and/or more experienced.

Though Clare is a friend and they owe her there life, Miria is there leader and was the leader of the group over there 7 years together in the North.

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As for The Ghosts not being impressed by Audrey and Rachel, they didn't act impressed because they knew that they couldn't beat Riful.
Riful herself was impressed by Audrey/Rachel's power, even if they didn't stand a chance against her.

Even if the new #8 is partially awakened, she is still likely weaker then Audrey and Rachel, she just wasn't up against Riful.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I used Rosemary because of the quality. If even she eventually ended up like that, the average claymores wouldn't last long. Hilda when she first met Miria was quite healthy for me, even Miria was not aware of her condition, I doubt even Hilda did. The only thing it showed was how fast and sudden one seemingly healthy claymore could turn out like that. Heck, even Clare would've been long gone after fighting only a yoma if not for Raki. And ye, Irene did mention that but it is only true if a claymore is either Teresa or Raph who didn't have to use yoki to fight, or live a life of a hermit like Irene whose life ended pretty rapidly after she used yoki again.

Besides, the Org didn't favor long lived claymore either, once in a while they could send them to some crazy missions. I never said it was "natural" for a claymore to have short life, rather I suggested that the way they lived forced them to have a tiny life span. Not everyone had the luck of Miria, Clare and co. Even someone like Yuma can change that much if given a big fat 7 years period of freedom and training, and she was not even 1/2 awakened. :) If only Jean, Flora were still alive ...

You still make a lot of assumptions. Rosemary chose to awaken. It was a faked gradual awakening. Hilda and Clare's friend are the only two cases of gradual awakenings, where black cards are used, that we've seen. Clare partial awakening is totally irrelevant as far as those are concerned, since it is not a gradual awakening. The only Teresa and Raph thing is an assumption of yours. You make that claim, without any substance for it stand or fall on. The part about the org not favoring long lived claymores is true, but you don't know their definition of long lived. seven years may be a short time for a claymore, or the MiBs. I mean, it seems kind of silly to apply human standards to non-humans, which may or may not include the MiB.

[Sleepy Speculator]

The only two resolutions i can see to the Ophelia/Clare's age conundrum are...

a) Ophelia was actually a lot older than Clare when she joined the org, and thus started out alot sooner with less training to boot, but does that matter when your axe crazy?
(we actually have no idea just how young Clare was at the time, and she still looks hella young at the start of the manga too, despite only being 1/4 yoma)

b) Ophelia's Ab obsession actually came from another yoma/ab the one horned monster reference just didn't refer to Priscilla (despite the memory/imagined sillhouette), there is a little credence for this as it links to a previous problem which was how Ophelia could have said to survived Pris when she ate everyone except one little girl (Clare)

[Riful]

My input to the Dietrich-discussion: “Dietrich“ can indeed be used as a first name (f.e. Dietrich Bonhoeffer) despite the fact it is very antiquated. ;)
I assume that Yagi made a mistake since “Dietlinde” would be a proper female equivalent for Dietrich.

Yup, Dietrich is a first name and definitely the name that corresponds to the Katakana, but it's strictly male. I also changed her name into Dietlinde for my personal usage :D

Also Helen has been calling Miria "sister" ever since. It's simply because they are quite close and Miria is something like an older sister for her, I assume. (Deneve doesn't call her that)

[zato_1one]

Hah, this new gal is kinda naive..... secret mission claymores? :heh: Is she stupid or what?

I doubt that she really believed it. I feel that she decided to go with the flow to avoid unnecessary conflict just for now. Killing the AB is more important. :)

[Gangsta Spanksta]

The only two resolutions i can see to the Ophelia/Clare's age conundrum are...

a) Ophelia was actually a lot older than Clare when she joined the org, and thus started out alot sooner with less training to boot, but does that matter when your axe crazy?
(we actually have no idea just how young Clare was at the time, and she still looks hella young at the start of the manga too, despite only being 1/4 yoma)


I've been going with A, if what some people say is true that at some point Ophelia was younger than Clare. I also don't think that before a half human, half yoma graduates into a "Claymore" or as Claymores like to say Warrior, that they only spend a short amount of time training to be one. Yes, Claymores have an increased physical capability; yes, claymores have their reflexes and mental capacity increased. But look at how some Claymores fight: Teresa, Priscilla, that new number 8, etc. Here is the big question: How long does it take to become a master at a martial art? And yes, sword fighting is a martial art. Then there are all those nasty espionage things that Rubel taught Clare. How long does it take to be trained in those? I think that a Claymore trains for many years before becoming a warrior. It's not like a number 1 in training has to replace a number 1 in service, right away. Lower Rank claymores are replaced right away, probably with Claymores with less training than single digits in training. And every once in awhile you'll have a prodigy come by and go through the training at an accelerated rate, even if she joined the org later on. Ophelia who is able to kill high ranking awakened beings by herself, has great insight in the tactics and tricks used by her opponent, just might be such a person. She got pwned by Irene, but well the gaps in power and skill can be quite steep in the Claymore world.

[iLney]

Nah, I used Rosemary to show the fact a number like 1 or 2 had to send a black letter is nothing uncommon. Thus, Orsay had little suspision. And you missed the point. Gradual awakening is an unnnatural "natural" process, a result of using yoki in combat for those unlucky claymores who are not 1/2 awakening. The way she had to constantly fought stronger enemies forced her luck of awakening. Of course, each claymore differed in their threshold but the Org always knew how to force their luck. Take Jean for example, I don't buy the bull that the Org didn't know Jean was heading for Riful; her life was too insignificant, even Galatea wouldn't give a rat about Jean it seemed. And when Clare just finished the slasher, she was immediately sent to Ophelia. The way it worked look like "Hey, this girl can defeat a level 1 AB! Let's send her to a level 10!.....Well, maybe better luck next time." If you call that "training," fine.... The definition of "long" is not known to us, true. But the way things worked so far all suggested that the odd that a claymore could die within like 7 years is high. Clare should've died in Rabona, killed by the slasher, Ophelia or in Pieta. But she didn't and then was given 7 years. You can't impose that luck on everyone and say 7 years is short!


The only Teresa and Raph thing is an assumption of yours. You make that claim, without any substance for it stand or fall on.


It does have the ground, quite obivous actually; it's just that you refuse to see it :) And never did I claim everything I said was a fact. :)

[irvinethearcher]

Hilda when she first met Miria was quite healthy for me

I don't know if anyone corrected this so far but, hilda wasn't healthy anymore, in xtra chapter 3 you can see her hand shivering like a creeping desease.

[irvinethearcher]

Yup, Dietrich is a first name and definitely the name that corresponds to the Katakana, but it's strictly male. I also changed her name into Dietlinde for my personal usage :D

Also Helen has been calling Miria "sister" ever since. It's simply because they are quite close and Miria is something like an older sister for her, I assume. (Deneve doesn't call her that)

Good explaination. Perhaps helen sees that in miria. Sorry 4 doubleposting:(

[iLney]

I don't know if anyone corrected this so far but, hilda wasn't healthy anymore, in xtra chapter 3 you can see her hand shivering.

Chapter 3? You mean 2? And well, I said "healthy for me" and for Miria as well :) And she still believed she had enough time to see Miria become a single digit :(

[Sleepy Speculator]

On the face of it, it appears in hindsight that Rubul wasn't so much training Clare as trying to get her killed post Rabona hence the following official missions...

1. Slashers AB (note it wasn't a piddling small one in any case as it was 'male'
2. Ab hunt with just Ophelia in Gonal?
3. The war in the North Pieta.

But of course this jars with Rubuls general behaviour and interest in the welfare of Clare, he mentions that he does care for her and took interest in raising her, and had the following behavioural instances...

1. was concerned over her stomach wound
2. tried to warn her to not take on voracious eaters/AB's
3. had her trained in alot of extra stuff
4. didn't just let Raphealla do her job and purge Clare and Jean which would've been a whole lot simpler if he was really concerned about partially awakened claymores running around

N.B. Just how did he know Clare was partially awakened anyway? I'm sure Galk, Cid and Raki had no real idea what the implications of what they had seen meant, and wouldn't talk much about it anyway. Miria was observed by claymores and Helen on the other hand was running around with modified equipment.

Then there's the outstanding anomaly of Rubul putting Clare against 5 yoma before she awakened which would have left most claymores dead... And if Ophelia hadn't been axe crazy with a beserk button/ Clare had just left Raki behind there is the chance that the mission woulda been completed no problems... I still say for someone who'se supposed to be a spy his reasoning is suspect.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Well not really. Lets look at it this way:

He took intrest in her in the beginning because he might have had "This Feeling" that Clare would turn into something. Its not uncommon that someone "senses something in someone else". Rubel probably did that with Clare so gave her special training. He then discover's that Clare has becomme a rare individual who might becomme a Key to complete the Org's Controlable AB Project. He knows this from the report regarding Miria, someone he has a hard time interacting with directly. He arranges for the Slasher's mission, likly using Clare as a pretext and puts together a team with 2 he is aware of, and 2 he suspects. If there is 2 there is usualy likly more around.

This mission had 2 Goals likly. Or 2 "Outcomes that where acceptable". 1 Is they die, the problem would have been solved and Clare "just wasent meant to be". Or two, scale just how much improvment Clare has had. Clare and the group survived sparking a intrest to know just how far.

He then pairs Clare together with Ophelia, a maniac who if even suspecting that Clare being an awakened would kill her. Basicly Rubel was testing how well hidden Clare really was amoung other Claymore's. The result was that Clare was discovered, which is bad news for Rubel, but more surprising to him is that Ophelia was the one found dead and awakened to boot. This creates a scenario where Rubel has to hide Clare's potensial infront of the other MiB. Himself is likly wondering quite alot about Clare's growth now. So he decides to look for her on his own outside of the Original One on the task (Galatea) He uses Raphela for this.

So when Raphaela finds Clare and Jean for Rubel, Rubel has the choice. Finishing them there, or sending her north. He cant just let her go, that would just send out an other search party for her. By sending her to the north, he decides to test her further, pushing her to see to what extremes she can devolop. By his own speculation considering that Ophelia is dead, he must suspect Clare near the Single Digit level by now, so by sending her north he again takes the safe bet. If she survives, she likly will stil be considered "Missing" or "MiA" and not searched for considering there "was a purge watch" which he himself was involved with. It would have been easy to hide Clare or simular then for him considering he commanded Raphela the one responsible for the purging. And if she died again the problem for him would be solved.


Now 7 years later he is shocked in a way that all particaly awakekened that he knew off is stil alive. he did not know Jean's situation. And now he is in the dilemma, Clare and her Party aint pushovers thats easily taken care of without alot of trouble involved. And she now stands with half of herself on his side, in the sense that she has a simular goal as he now. And since she can cause alot of trouble for the Org without the need for him to get involved or anything makes Clare a very good "Pawn" that if played right can perform alot of handy tasks. Which is why he now mentions Renee and Raphela as he did. Raphaela wouldent return to the Org, Rubel knows this. A new Abyssal would only be slightly troublesome, since it would make things far to unpredictable for a while, it could turn out great for the ORG for instance if Riful and "Raciella" took each other out. Nothing that benefits him, and if Raciella would join up with Riful it might be a simular result. Isley gets taken out, the Org would most likly be left be for quite some time and Riful would more likly force the Org to "Relocate" which would make the need for new infiltrations etc. So Renee's rescue is more tied to making sure Riful doesent have the chance to mess around with Raciella.

So Using this kind of logic then Rubel hasent changed at all his opinion of Clare. He now just has a harder time using her, but she is stil a pawn he cant afford to just toss aside. Thats why he mentions the half awakening, about the need to hide the fact.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Nah, I used Rosemary to show the fact a number like 1 or 2 had to send a black letter is nothing uncommon. Thus, Orsay had little suspision. And you missed the point. Gradual awakening is an unnnatural "natural" process, a result of using yoki in combat for those unlucky claymores who are not 1/2 awakening. The way she had to constantly fought stronger enemies forced her luck of awakening. Of course, each claymore differed in their threshold but the Org always knew how to force their luck. Take Jean for example, I don't buy the bull that the Org didn't know Jean was heading for Riful; her life was too insignificant, even Galatea wouldn't give a rat about Jean it seemed. And when Clare just finished the slasher, she was immediately sent to Ophelia. The way it worked look like "Hey, this girl can defeat a level 1 AB! Let's send her to a level 10!.....Well, maybe better luck next time." If you call that "training," fine.... The definition of "long" is not known to us, true. But the way things worked so far all suggested that the odd that a claymore could die within like 7 years is high. Clare should've died in Rabona, killed by the slasher, Ophelia or in Pieta. But she didn't and then was given 7 years. You can't impose that luck on everyone and say 7 years is short!



It does have the ground, quite obivous actually; it's just that you refuse to see it :) And never did I claim everything I said was a fact. :)

Again, Rosemary turning in a black card, the MiB not panicking, does not mean that it is a common thing for a number 1 to gradually awaken. I'm not denying the possibility right out; you're entitled to your own world vision of the Claymoreverse. But again, it is nothing you can assume -- nothing for you to discredit opposing theories with. If it is common or uncommon as of yet is still unknown.

Gradual awakenings are a natural process that some Claymores undergo. However, because most Claymores seem to either end their claymore lives -- by dying or awakening -- in battle, there is insufficient evidence to make the claim that all Claymores undergo Gradual Awakenings. I enjoy philosophy, my field of study involves science and technology, so there has to be plenty of evidence for my to buy something like that, without any second guessing.

As for Clare, we don't know the amount of involvement of the Org. At first, it seemed that it was the org trying to do her in. In chapter 84, we learned that her loving father was the one trying to kill her. The best bit of info that we have to support your claim is that an MiB did say it is better that they don't reach a certain age and become troublesome, when referring to the then eye. But even that is no fully conclusive. It may have even been just his opinion.

When Clare should have died has nothing to do when Claymores in general should have died. 1) She was a rank 40-something, which Renee said don't last so long. So yes, 7 years might be unsual for a rank 40-something, but we are talking about a tiered system here. Single Digits would obviously have a different life expectancy than a 40-something, and most things concerning Claymores don't seem to follow a linear scale either. As for the examples of why Clare should have died, well, that was because Rubel was trying to kill her to cover-up the half awakening. In fact, I could turn the argument around, and say that after Rabona, after Clare jumped several tiers, after she gained the ability to thwart someone's attempts on her life, that her life expectancy had jumped far beyond that of a 40-something, which is part of the reason she is still alive seven years after. Saying someone should have died, is after all still an opinion. I say after Rabona, her chances for immortality reached levels that they never reached before.

But honestly, this debate we are having was not the point. The point was: That someone pointed out an inconsistency in the story about age relating to Clare, Ophelia and Miria. So to show that it might have not been an inconsistency -- a possible plot hole -- I just pointed out that A Claymores age and experience in the story isn't as clear cut as it seems, bringing up the possibility that while someone may have been younger at one point in the story, that the possible slowing down of the aging process of becoming a claymore could change that. So far, I see no holes in Yagi's story that can't be explained in some way or another.

[revan5]

Well not really. Lets look at it this way:

He took intrest in her in the beginning because he might have had "This Feeling" that Clare would turn into something. Its not uncommon that someone "senses something in someone else". Rubel probably did that with Clare so gave her special training. He then discover's that Clare has becomme a rare individual who might becomme a Key to complete the Org's Controlable AB Project. He knows this from the report regarding Miria, someone he has a hard time interacting with directly. He arranges for the Slasher's mission, likly using Clare as a pretext and puts together a team with 2 he is aware of, and 2 he suspects. If there is 2 there is usualy likly more around.

This mission had 2 Goals likly. Or 2 "Outcomes that where acceptable". 1 Is they die, the problem would have been solved and Clare "just wasent meant to be". Or two, scale just how much improvment Clare has had. Clare and the group survived sparking a intrest to know just how far.

He then pairs Clare together with Ophelia, a maniac who if even suspecting that Clare being an awakened would kill her. Basicly Rubel was testing how well hidden Clare really was amoung other Claymore's. The result was that Clare was discovered, which is bad news for Rubel, but more surprising to him is that Ophelia was the one found dead and awakened to boot. This creates a scenario where Rubel has to hide Clare's potensial infront of the other MiB. Himself is likly wondering quite alot about Clare's growth now. So he decides to look for her on his own outside of the Original One on the task (Galatea) He uses Raphela for this.

So when Raphaela finds Clare and Jean for Rubel, Rubel has the choice. Finishing them there, or sending her north. He cant just let her go, that would just send out an other search party for her. By sending her to the north, he decides to test her further, pushing her to see to what extremes she can devolop. By his own speculation considering that Ophelia is dead, he must suspect Clare near the Single Digit level by now, so by sending her north he again takes the safe bet. If she survives, she likly will stil be considered "Missing" or "MiA" and not searched for considering there "was a purge watch" which he himself was involved with. It would have been easy to hide Clare or simular then for him considering he commanded Raphela the one responsible for the purging. And if she died again the problem for him would be solved.


Now 7 years later he is shocked in a way that all particaly awakekened that he knew off is stil alive. he did not know Jean's situation. And now he is in the dilemma, Clare and her Party aint pushovers thats easily taken care of without alot of trouble involved. And she now stands with half of herself on his side, in the sense that she has a simular goal as he now. And since she can cause alot of trouble for the Org without the need for him to get involved or anything makes Clare a very good "Pawn" that if played right can perform alot of handy tasks. Which is why he now mentions Renee and Raphela as he did. Raphaela wouldent return to the Org, Rubel knows this. A new Abyssal would only be slightly troublesome, since it would make things far to unpredictable for a while, it could turn out great for the ORG for instance if Riful and "Raciella" took each other out. Nothing that benefits him, and if Raciella would join up with Riful it might be a simular result. Isley gets taken out, the Org would most likly be left be for quite some time and Riful would more likly force the Org to "Relocate" which would make the need for new infiltrations etc. So Renee's rescue is more tied to making sure Riful doesent have the chance to mess around with Raciella.

So Using this kind of logic then Rubel hasent changed at all his opinion of Clare. He now just has a harder time using her, but she is stil a pawn he cant afford to just toss aside. Thats why he mentions the half awakening, about the need to hide the fact.

That has got to be by far one of the best reasoned arguments regarding Claire I've seen yet. Considering what we've seen before...I can't help but wonder whether Rubel is making the Abyssal One Riful the subject of Claire's next test. On paper it would seem Claire is dramatically endangered by Riful.

That is until you consider she killed an Awakened No 2, Rigard, in spectacular fashion...SEVEN YEARS AGO! Adding 7 years of training alongside that along with the experience of fighting another awakened No 2, Agatha, has got to make her far deadlier than maybe even she is counting on. Sure, the only way she'd be able to do it would be pushing herself yet again beyond her limits...but I got a feeling that she'll be able to revert with Cynthia nearby. Of course, that depends on whether or not she chooses to do that. It seems about 50/50 right now.

The question now is...if Claire decides to push herself yet again beyond her limits, would that put her at Abyssal level? She's already close to be sure. I estimate she's around Irene's fighting level or a little higher. Anyone else have any ideas on this?

[Anh_Minh]

Wow. A present day Claymore that didn't totally suck. (Though... Dietrich? Isn't that a boy's name?)

[Gangsta Spanksta]

About Rubel:

I think he was sincere in what he told Clare in Chapter 85. He really cares for Clare, and sees himself as her Father. In fact, like Ermita, he sees his Claymores as his Children. He still cares about Raphaela, and asked Clare for a favor concerning her. Rubel is a spy and in a way passed on his skills to his 'daughters' who seemed to have been trained to be the spy and assassin specializing claymores. The thing about Rubel is that he is a DoD, and Clare's half awakening forced him to choose the fate of his people, his species if slightly different from human, over that of his daughter. In a way, he may have tried to dissuade her by telling her that every generation has its hero's, too bad it's not you. His actions are up to interpretation -- which is good for fan fiction -- and that is sort of how I am seeing him after Chapter 85. In 84 he came off as a complete bastard. But in reality, there are no real good or bad guys in the story. This is war we are talking about, and since it seems that the humans in this war may be slightly different with the concept of dragon kins, it might be a war of survival for ones species.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Wow. A present day Claymore that didn't totally suck. (Though... Dietrich? Isn't that a boy's name?)

Not as bad as some girl names lie Gertrude though. So it's not that bad. :D

[KillerYomaFromSpace]

So, it seems that there are only two ghosts that are loyal to Miria, and only one of them is in position to follow her orders and is already with her in Rabona. She should ditch the idea and ask Galatea for a nun outfit, or create her own church.. with Black Jack and Whores.

I kinda like Dietrich, she is the nicest I've ever seen in the current generation so far.

[iLney]

...


The way Orsay reacted to Rosemary's black letter suggested that it was not uncommon for top tier warriors to gradually awaken. And that is a pretty sound speculation for me. But well, it was not a confirmed fact. And the gradual awakening is just one of many reasons, I think, shortening a claymore's life span. As you can see, the Org has a habit of pushing their "children" to the cliff. And it looks like our definitions of "gradual awakening" differ. I only look at the end, not the mean :) Most of the calculation, if not all, in engineering are estimations anyway. ^

And, uhm, the reason I brought up the 7 years thing was to point out that, the G7 is not that godly. I believe any claymore if given the same opportunity could be on par with or surpass them.

Peace :)

[Sleepy Speculator]

First let me say thanks to you guys for a good discussion and big cheers to silbermask and mc2 for the early translation job...

Anyhow to get back to the discussion which all started with the inconsistencies, i find Rubul's character to be very odd in that for a spy he doesn't tend to lie, but lets others draw assumptions by feeding irrelevent news and omitting what may be of the most importance, take for example in this chapter the fact that he says barefaced in front of Cynthia and Yuma that Clare requested to join the org, whilst bringing Teresa's head to him (neither flinch) yet he stops short of entirely dropping Clare in it by not mentioning what then happened to Teresa's head.

So when Rubul says he was trying to get partially awakened claymores killed off i don't disbelieve him, but i also don't think he was trying very hard at all, if anything he shows a greater interest in actually doing the job of one of the mib's, and grading up the difficulty in Clare's missions, he (mabye even the Dod's) has some sort of interest in producing effective claymores as well.

My take on this is that Clare's missions were gradually getting harder to exhaust her and push her to her limits straight off the bat, she was a new offensive claymore so she had to get used to using yoki regularly and pushing it so it would grow in capacity and control. Teresas prideful speech to Priscilla sticks in my mind regarding knowing/recognising their limits because by the time Clare lost control in Rabona she knew exactly where her limits were. (If anything it's what she has the most knowledge about, Helen asks her how she could know about Miria's limit given that she's the newbie out of the 4 in the slashers arc)

Now Rubul goes so far as to warn Clare that should she encounter an Ab she'd be cut to ribbons because the very first opportunity she gets in an arranged team hunt she smells out regular yoma and goes it alone, which is exactly what would get her killed, against an Ab. It's only after this hunt that she's got her first Ab fight in the bag, and is given another one this time with just Ophelia as a team mate, (since none of the other mib's seemed concerned about the fact that it was a two person Ab hunt with the #47 as back up i can only assume that it was supposed to be a training/ observation exercise, i mean does Rubul have any justification for purging Clare that he could say to Rimuto?) Also of note is the fact that Rafealla was in the vicinity observing at least close enough to catch Irene, much as Galatea was directly observing the slashers hunt. (Galatea was likely there because of Ermita's concern for Miria, whereas Rafealla was likely close by to keep an eye on Clare). Ophelia also acted as an observer on Miria's ability before she was promoted indicating some competence as a judge of claymore abilities.

Now notice when Clare goes running after Raki sometime after this event, Rimuto mentions that awakened Ophelia's been found dead but Rubul doesn't say anything about Irene in the area despite his other claymore being there. And the task of finding the missing culprit is given to the Mib who just lost a claymore. (yes he handles the eye). But Rubul doesn't seem concerned about his own claymore despite having given her a ton of yoki suppressing pills and having a very good tracker in Rafealla. If Galatea had managed to bring Clare back the cat would have been out of the bag...

Basically he's not trying very hard at all to get Clare killed off if anything the first time round he gave her what she wanted an Ab hunt, after that she behaved herself as would be expected. But someone else likely arranged the Ophelia hunt, notice Rubul only says that he tried to get Miria sent to the North after she wouldn't defect, Clare only left the org to look for Raki, who only got taken by slavers after he'd legged it from the Ophelia/Clare clash, which was very likely to result in Clare and Ophelia's death.

(proof of Ophelia killing a comrade would justify purging her and lend credence to all the circumstancial evidence against her of the claymores capable of doing the job... #1 and #2 are handled by Orsay and are busy leaving #3 Galatea who has the same handler and #5 Rafealla who was in the area.)

arggh i'm tired, i know i didn't explain very well but the general idea is there.

[irvinethearcher]

By the way
marlene dietrich is after cars and beer the best export we germans ever had ;)

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

Wow this chapter was intersting.

Rubel has reveled that Clare brought him the head of sombody named Teresa and that she willingly joined the Org. While Cynthia and Yuma didn't say anything I bet there all thinking about it.

I just love how Helen and Deneva are calmly anylazing the fight. There whole conversaton was intersting. Helen " In the end you got saved by a little fella"
"Don't talk about it, it's depresing."

And then the whole thing about Clare vs Miria And describing Clare's character.
At last we have a proper comparison.

Clare bieng the youngest of them makes a lot of sense.
I never understood why people thought she was older.


What I like about Dietrich( there is nothing wrong with having a guys name.)
She seems fairly strong and intelligent. She might have lost the advantage by letting the AB get them to the water, but besides that tactical error she seems pretty smart. I like her humble manner, and the way she treats AB's and her comrades. She reminds me of characters like Flora and Jean. I don't see her as Miria's nemasis. I see her as a voice of reason to the next generation. She agreed much to quickly to Helens little lie.

As compared to Audrey and Rachel

Audrey and Rachel were strong, but they were so arrogant that they couldn't really bring out there strength in my eyes. I mean challenging Riful what were they thinking? Even if they couldn't sense her full powers. You need more then just strength to be good.

[irvinethearcher]

Rubel has reveled that Clare brought him the head of sombody named Teresa and that she willingly joined the Org. While Cynthia and Yuma didn't say anything I bet there all thinking about it.
Important point i wanted to speak about too, i don't think if yuma and cynthia know who theresa really was. Galatea probably knows and miria perhaps too.
And i wonder if the flesh cames from theresa's head or from her body?

[dee32]

Deneve: In speed, endurance, strength and swordmanship, Miria has the upper hand. Even if you consider mental strength and concentration (or leadership?), Miria still holds the advantage.

But Clare has limitless impulsive power. This uncertainty could be Clare's greatest strength or her weakness.



I don't know how much we can take from that discussion. For one, people are always underestimating Clare. Also, both Helen and Deneve are Miria bias. Notice they refer to Clare as Clare but Miria as "Sister Miria." :) It's almost like Miria-sama

They forgot to consider technique. Clare has the her acute yoki sensing, flash sword, windcutter, flash windcutter, limited yoki manipulation, and copying skills. Miria only has her phantom and enhanced speed. In terms of arm speed Clare is faster. Strength and swordmanship wise they are about equal. IMO in mental strength and concentration only Jean was better than Clare.

I don't like how they underestimate Clare either. Miria overall is a tad bit stronger, but not by much. Clare's leadership is improving since she has to watch out for Yuma and Cynthia. Miria functions better in a group than Clare. As a lone claymore Clare adapts better than Miria to different situations.

[LONEWOLF13]

They forgot to consider technique. Clare has the her acute yoki sensing, flash sword, windcutter, flash windcutter, limited yoki manipulation, and copying skills. Miria only has her phantom and enhanced speed. In terms of arm speed Clare is faster. Strength and swordmanship wise they are about equal. IMO in mental strength and concentration only Jean was better than Clare.

I don't like how they underestimate Clare either. Miria overall is a tad bit stronger, but not by much. Clare's leadership is improving since she has to watch out for Yuma and Cynthia. Miria functions better in a group than Clare. As a lone claymore Clare adapts better than Miria to different situations.

Clare apears to be far more dangerous when she is alone while Miria relies on teams
and her speed .

She is indeed powerful that is treu but i think that clare has upperhand when it comes down to swordsmenship and do not forget Teresa's superior battle skills
that will grow day after fight after fight.

[Aquillion]

Wow this chapter was intersting.

Rubel has reveled that Clare brought him the head of sombody named Teresa and that she willingly joined the Org. While Cynthia and Yuma didn't say anything I bet there all thinking about it.This was already widely-known. At least, the young Claymores in Clare's 'class' all looked at her differently because she has the parts of a famous Claymore in her, remember?

[zato_1one]

I think that Rubel really tried to kill Clare. But at the same time, he also anticipated for Clare to be alive. It looks like he just played with his pet. :eyebrow: