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Hello all, after speaking with my fansubbing group we have decided that we need a better server so we are going to change host however, we have already paid for a full year on our current server and came up with the Idea of offering free webhosting to fansubbing groups, all we would ask in return is that they add their old fansubbing scripts to our free anime/manga scripts database. If anyone thinks this is a good idea then vote yes otherwise vote no. Also we will offer premade templates for each site just incase fansubbers want to get started quickly,(note we won't allow you to host BT files on our server though). If enough people support the idea then you can look forward to this service being operational in 2 to 3 months (I'am going to have to do alot of webscripting to get this to work). Well get to the voting.
Note all sites will include a subdomain for each group
holyangel
2004-02-13, 23:41
You're sort of encourging those people who wake up one morning and decide that they want to fansub!
well it was hard for me to afford webhosting when I started fansubbing so I'am just helping others who were once in my shoes.Well no ones perfect, and I it was really hard on me to pay for web hosting when I first started subbing so I'am just trying to help potential groups.You're sort of encourging those people who wake up one morning and decide that they want to fansub!
wow more people favor me not offering the service so far. Well once to poll closes depending on the result, the decision will be made.
Just, shut up. Please, just shut up.
well it was hard for me to afford webhosting when I started fansubbing so I'am just helping others who were once in my shoes. Well no ones perfect, and I it was really hard on me to pay for web hosting when I first started subbing so I'am just trying to help potential groups.
Uhm, decent webhosting costs like 5 dollars a month plus whatever you're paying for a domain (a little over one dollar a month?), nobody should have a particularly hard time with an expense like that.
You don't know when to stop, do you?
As we say around here: "Vai morrer longe, seu estupido!".
estupido
That's all I need to hear or understand. I love you :)
Lol its not as easy as you think for everyone lol however I won't argue. Its just a offer, I mean its just free webhosting why would you complain about that.
I just didn't want to waist our server, so it wouldn't go unused after the switchUhm, decent webhosting costs like 5 dollars a month plus whatever you're paying for a domain (a little over one dollar a month?), nobody should have a particularly hard time with an expense like that.
Do fansub groups really need a website?
We Suck doesn't need a website.
They have a blog and a tracker. They're loved by everyone. Why the fsck does everyone need a website? So people can gawk at the pretty design? So they can show off, like whores?
Tabiree said it perfectly so I'll just quote him ^_^
Just, shut up. Please, just shut up.
Do fansub groups really need a website?
We Suck doesn't need a website.
I'm sure neither you nor We Suck would presume to speak for all fansub groups. Plus ff7799's offer is an open one. If you don't want it, don't jump to the conclusion that no one else does.
ElvenPath
2004-02-14, 16:13
wow more people favor me not offering the service so far. Well once to poll closes depending on the result, the decision will be made.
You can't really make a decision based on this poll. You should just make an announce like "if interested PM me".
Master Ran
2004-02-14, 17:53
ff7799, it's nice of you to give free hosting to fans.
but the Main problem with this plan is:
BANDWIDTH
in 2 months or less (even if it becomes popular or not)...you'll be shotdown.
Unless you have
1. A dedicated server
2. Lots of money to spare (can I have some :p )
3. You're gonna make lots of money in this one in an endeavor to pay for that really large bandwidth you will need
This plan will give you headaches, stress and worst, it will fail.
But hey, don't take my word for it..just try it.
Alas, I knew one group who had a similar plan (but t'was more about AMV hosting). After 'bout 6 months, they went back to geocities. :twitch:
Master Ran
http://img21.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Master_Ran/ranwolf.jpg
What do you mean by that, I have more than enough bandwith, and if it becomes popular the service will remain available permanently.ff7799, it's nice of you to give free hosting to fans.
but the Main problem with this plan is:
BANDWIDTHbandwidth
in 2 months or less (even if it becomes popular or not)...you'll be shotdown.
Unless you have
1. A dedicated server
2. Lots of money to spare (can I have some :p )
3. You're gonna make lots of money in this one in an endeavor to pay for that really large bandwidth you will need
This plan will give you headaches, stress and worst, it will fail.
But hey, don't take my word for it..just try it.
Alas, I knew one group who had a similar plan (but t'was more about AMV hosting). After 'bout 6 months, they went back to geocities. :twitch:
Master Ran
http://img21.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Master_Ran/ranwolf.jpg
DekaMaster
2004-02-14, 18:18
Hello all, after speaking with my fansubbing group we have decided that we need a better server so we are going to change host however, we have already paid for a full year on our current server and came up with the Idea of offering free webhosting to fansubbing groups, all we would ask in return is that they add their old fansubbing scripts to our free anime/manga scripts database. If anyone thinks this is a good idea then vote yes otherwise vote no. Also we will offer premade templates for each site just incase fansubbers want to get started quickly,(note we won't allow you to host BT files on our server though). If enough people support the idea then you can look forward to this service being operational in 2 to 3 months (I'am going to have to do alot of webscripting to get this to work). Well get to the voting.
Note all sites will include a subdomain for each group
What i can't figure out is why anyone would allow scripts they worked hard on to be in some big archive for anyone to get. I mean you put up a script some one gets it changes a few things and calls it their own
dude I do ask that groups provide information stating that these translations were taken from the respective group. Also it really doesn't matter. Once the ep is released the script becomes useless to a group.What i can't figure out is why anyone would allow scripts they worked hard on to be in some big archive for anyone to get. I mean you put up a script some one gets it changes a few things and calls it their own
What i can't figure out is why anyone would allow scripts they worked hard on to be in some big archive for anyone to get. I mean you put up a script some one gets it changes a few things and calls it their own
:rolleyes:
Maybe to encourage the purchase of the r2 DVDs? What do you think places like scriptclub are for? Why should fansubbers be arrogant enough to protect their scripts as though they were RIAA? The availability of scripts will increase the probability of a show being purchased on r2 DVDs by some, and certainly the convenience of watching said DVDs by many. And the chance of your scripts being stolen is not so much bigger than normal -- if someone wants your scripts so badly, they'll just take an hour of their time and transcribe them.
Ketsu-Kun
2004-02-14, 19:45
Uhm, decent webhosting costs like 5 dollars a month
99.9% of < $10 hosts blow if you want anything worthwhile, take this from experience. Then again, 85% of Dedicated Server providers are also just as craptastic.
What do you mean by that, I have more than enough bandwith, and if it becomes popular the service will remain available permanently.
Are you sure you have more then enough? Feel free to host a fragment of my sites, should only use around 2.5TB a month - That's without the downloads of course. ^_^
Then again, I've been offering free hosting to fansub groups for about 6 months now. This ranges from sites to forums to tracker to distro help and more, and I help with any design/coding issues if they want as well. What do I ask for? Nothing at all.
Well from the looks of the poll more people still are favoring me not offering and I'am always one to give the people what they want even if what they want is nothing at all, so it looks like the offer may be retracted soon enough anyway.99.9% of < $10 hosts blow if you want anything worthwhile, take this from experience. Then again, 85% of Dedicated Server providers are also just as craptastic.
Are you sure you have more then enough? Feel free to host a fragment of my sites, should only use around 2.5TB a month - That's without the downloads of course. ^_^
Then again, I've been offering free hosting to fansub groups for about 6 months now. This ranges from sites to forums to tracker to distro help and more, and I help with any design/coding issues if they want as well. What do I ask for? Nothing at all.
What i can't figure out is why anyone would allow scripts they worked hard on to be in some big archive for anyone to get. I mean you put up a script some one gets it changes a few things and calls it their own
Technically pirates can call it their own like the fansub group calls it their own.
(Edit: removed stuff about Berne Convention. It's just USA law...)
17 USC 101 ... A ''derivative work'' is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a ''derivative work''.
17 USC 103 (a) The subject matter of copyright as specified by section 102 includes compilations and derivative works, but protection for a work employing preexisting material in which copyright subsists does not extend to any part of the work in which such material has been used unlawfully.
Result: fansubbers are using the material in violation of copyright - clearly it's not within the bounds of fair use. Thus, there is no copyright protection for the actual authors of the translation that depended on the original anime footage.
Since we the fansubbers have nothing to lose as a result, why not release it?
What i can't figure out is why anyone would allow scripts they worked hard on to be in some big archive for anyone to get. I mean you put up a script some one gets it changes a few things and calls it their own
Well, on this precise point, I must say I disagree with you. This is the whole basis behind freeware ond open liscences and I think it's pretty nice :p (not even talking about mods or maps for games which is another good exemple).
Beside, it doesn't work that bad, adding your script to a whole database doen't necessarly mean a loss of property. As to wether this would actually be really usefull or not, this is another problem altogether :).
Well, on this precise point, I must say I disagree with you. This is the whole basis behind freeware ond open liscences and I think it's pretty nice :p (not even talking about mods or maps for games which is another good exemple).
Beside, it doesn't work that bad, adding your script to a whole database doen't necessarly mean a loss of property. As to wether this would actually be really usefull or not, this is another problem altogether :).
If I recall correctly, most open licenses won't allow you to take a product and modify it and call your own.
Of course, what would be the point otherwise? :confused:
Of course, what would be the point otherwise? :confused:
But that was what KingRanger was complaining about:
I mean you put up a script some one gets it changes a few things and calls it their own
CompShrink
2004-02-16, 22:17
But that was what KingRanger was complaining about:
But again, most of the mods and open source code have no way of enforcing credits. It's the honor code. Cite the original authors for respect and gratitude's sake, not because you don't have the oppertunity to be a jackass, because you do have that opertunity with anythign opensource.
Scripts, like code, can be traced back usually, and if you're not polite about it, it will tarnish your group's name.
I guess I have to add my take on it...
When you open your source, people can take a look at how you did it, and possibly copy it, or possibly just swipe it outright and claim it as their own. We can see this when HK pirates transliterate off fansub scripts and distribute it for their own profit. This is offset by the gains possible in making the sources available, such as the "many eyes" effect, or of increased distribution of the original source.
Having said that, since the copyright of a fansub script resides with the owner of the original work, not the derivative work, making them freely distributable is again in violation of international copyright law. Just like fansubs. This is offset by the nebulous possibility that people may purchase the R2 DVDs if the series is not licensed in R1.
(We Suck releases scripts when R2 disks come out. This is NOT permission for you to mirror them. In fact, treat this as explicit DISALLOW of you or anybody else to mirror them. We know this is technically unenforceable on our side, as we don't hold the rights to them, but just as you would honorably remove a group's fansubs when they ask you to, we ask the same.)
To release scripts for series licensed for R1 is stupid, as this not only is violation of copyright, but now you have the legal rights owner in your jurisdiction, able to subpoena and otherwise take you down.
To lump scripts for series not licensed in R1 with those that are is even more foolish, since it only gives another reason for companies such as Bandai USA or ADV to hunt you down for sport and take you totally down in one shot. (So I suggest taking down those Trigun scripts if you haven't already.)
holyangel
2004-02-16, 22:47
U're mearly providing the services so that those groups can help advertise your database for you... or so it seems to me that it's just advertisment purpose...
And btw.. what you purchased was a web hosting package and not a co-located or delicated server... so stop referring to server.
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