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Official site (http://www.munto.com/data/mein/)
ANN source (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-11-05/kyoto-animation-munto-to-get-new-tv-anime)
KyoAni's first original TV series? I liked the Munto OVAs a lot more than most people, so I'm quite looking forward to this.
... It'd seem KyoAni really takes a sadistic pleasure in teasing both Suzumiya Haruhi and FMP fans :p
On the other hand, it will be interesting to see KyoAni doing an original work in full force. Their reputation at making adaptations has long been established and recognized, let's see how well they fare with their own brainchild.
I've only watched the first Munto OVA, and while the concept wasn't bad, it barely had any execution time (it was only one OVA after all) so we only got but a glimpse of its possibilities... but the potential is there.
Daniel E.
2008-11-06, 03:24
... It'd seem KyoAni really takes a sadistic pleasure in teasing both Suzumiya Haruhi and FMP fans
Lol. :heh:
At this rate, Obama is gonna get re-elected before Haruhi 2 actually airs. :p
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-06, 03:45
This just in, Munto TV has been cancelled.
Just kidding...or am I?
What I find funny though is that all people seem to be doing so far about this announcement is complaining. I mean look, if this actually goes through without a cancellation then it's finally the moment I've been waiting for for the past 3 years. To finally see Kyoto Animation do an original in house TV series. Like I understand that Haruhi and FMP are popular and all, but it's nobody's call but the studio heads. All I can hope is that they don't kowtow to pressure to scuttle the product for another Key adaptation or the next Haruhi season. Something tells me they really aren't interested in doing Haruhi and FMP at the moment, and you know what, I am so ok with that. Plus I love the fantasy genre anyway so well........
Daniel E.
2008-11-06, 04:13
What I find funny though is that all people seem to be doing so far about this announcement is complaining.
Well, for what it's worth it, I wasn't really complaining and was simply joking and replying to Proto's comment. I really don't mind if Kyo-Ani decides to put Haruhi in the freezer because of this title. :p
Mind you, I am quite curious about this show and look forward to know more about it as times goes on. :)
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-06, 04:28
Well, for what it's worth it, I wasn't really complaining and was simply joking and replying to Proto's comment. I really don't mind if Kyo-Ani decides to put Haruhi in the freezer because of this title. :p
Mind you, I am quite curious about this show and look forward to know more about it as times goes on. :)
No no, elsewhere I mean. :D
FireChick
2008-11-06, 06:44
I wonder if the original seiyuus are gonna come back?
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2008-11-06, 07:38
This just in, Munto TV has been cancelled.
Just kidding...or am I?
What I find funny though is that all people seem to be doing so far about this announcement is complaining. I mean look, if this actually goes through without a cancellation then it's finally the moment I've been waiting for for the past 3 years. To finally see Kyoto Animation do an original in house TV series. Like I understand that Haruhi and FMP are popular and all, but it's nobody's call but the studio heads. All I can hope is that they don't kowtow to pressure to scuttle the product for another Key adaptation or the next Haruhi season. Something tells me they really aren't interested in doing Haruhi and FMP at the moment, and you know what, I am so ok with that. Plus I love the fantasy genre anyway so well........
Oh come on... You use to complain all the time. Remember when you said KyoAni isn't REALLY a Studio because they mostly do adaptations? That they didn't do FMP or Haruhi REALLY, because they didn't come up with the original script?
You are calmer now, but don't think we've forgotten, Kaioshin-chan.
:p
Choushinsei
2008-11-06, 07:39
The OVAs were quite average, there was nothing really special about them, and I hope the storyline of the TV series will be more interesting. It's good to see Kyoani doing something else (and not another Key/FMP series), but an interesting manga/light novel/game adaption would make me more enthusiastic.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2008-11-06, 07:46
The OVAs were quite average, there was nothing really special about them, and I hope the storyline of the TV series will be more interesting. It's good to see Kyoani doing something else (and not another Key/FMP series), but an interesting manga/light novel/game adaption would make me more enthusiastic.
Hey hey hey... more FMP has been LONG overdue. You can talk about KEY saturation all you like, but FMP fans are still sobbing in the corner and being ignored all this time.:heh:
I'm curious as to why they did this now. I can understand Full Metal Panic as they want the novels to finish first(although someone just saying that they are going to do another series later would go a long way). They announced Haruhi though in June and it's still not going to broadcasting. Instead they are remaking what is viewed ( it seems by alot of people) as a mediocre series. I wonder if they are having those supposed production problems with Haruhi? Either that or they really loved the series and decided why not, we have the money and skills now.
However I think they should release an announcement stating air date of Haruhi or announcement of new FMP series down the road otherwise I think alot of people will be pissed.
I do think it's kinda cool that they are doing an original work, though it doesn't really sound that interesting.
ZODDGUTS
2008-11-06, 11:35
Don't mind this is getting a series so I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-11-06, 13:30
However I think they should release an announcement stating air date of Haruhi or announcement of new FMP series down the road otherwise I think alot of people will be pissed.
Psssh, like they will. Haruhi is still making a hell of a lot of money right now. Why EVER release a sequel? Why EVER release the 10th novel?
I guess we'll have to wait for the 10th before we can find out Munto TV's air date, though. Definitely next spring, since only their Key adaptations air in fall.
Does this mean Little Busters next fall? How awesome.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-06, 15:05
Oh come on... You use to complain all the time. Remember when you said KyoAni isn't REALLY a Studio because they mostly do adaptations? That they didn't do FMP or Haruhi REALLY, because they didn't come up with the original script?
You are calmer now, but don't think we've forgotten, Kaioshin-chan.
:p
Yeah.....well just don't think I'm going to go die hard or anything. I've just moved towards the centre in the past year or so. :p
I'm wondering if Kyoto Animation's licence to animate another FMP anime has expired or if they are going to let it go to someone else or what. I mean they did grab it from Gonzo so it's possible that they lost the licence too over time. Personally I never really found FMP to be all that great nor Fumoffu really all that funny beyond chuckle inducing and the first TV series was by far my favourite, but then again that was also back when Gonzo wasn't on this B-Anime stint. In any case I'm not in any rush to see another one as my mecha needs are being more than satisfied as of late.
I've been meaning to watch the OVA's for quite some time, but i think I'll just hold out for the TV series now. I've no idea what Munto is about and it'd probably be better if it stayed that way going into the TV series, makes the show more unexpected and interesting i guess lol =P
I'm wondering if Kyoto Animation's licence to animate another FMP anime has expired or if they are going to let it go to someone else or what.
I'm not sure if it works that way. Kadokawa Shoten holds these rights (it's different with Munto since KyoAni developed the property themselves), so the onus is on them to draw up a contract with a production studio when/if they want to continue the series.
IMO, there's little incentive for Kyoto Animation to take on another season of FMP since it sells way short of any other adaptation they've worked on. But you never know.
This seems interesting, as long as it doesn't get canceled within a month.
I heard the original OVA wasn't that successful, is that true?
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-07, 02:30
I'm not sure if it works that way. Kadokawa Shoten holds these rights (it's different with Munto since KyoAni developed the property themselves), so the onus is on them to draw up a contract with a production studio when/if they want to continue the series.
IMO, there's little incentive for Kyoto Animation to take on another season of FMP since it sells way short of any other adaptation they've worked on. But you never know.
No Kadokawa Shoten holds the copyright privileges, Kyoto Animation had the license to make an anime version of the light novel. The onus would actually be on Kyoani in this case to come to Kadokawa Shoten and negotiate a licensing fee so that they could make another season if it indeed expired. I don't know if they purchased it for a certain amount of time or a certain amount of episodes so they might have actually already run out the license when they finished Second Raid and didn't bother to renew it.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2008-11-07, 07:31
No Kadokawa Shoten holds the copyright privileges, Kyoto Animation had the license to make an anime version of the light novel. The onus would actually be on Kyoani in this case to come to Kadokawa Shoten and negotiate a licensing fee so that they could make another season if it indeed expired. I don't know if they purchased it for a certain amount of time or a certain amount of episodes so they might have actually already run out the license when they finished Second Raid and didn't bother to renew it.
My understanding is that the license would be per-series. KyoAni couldn't make 30 separate TV series on FMP without negotiating rights with Kadokawa for each and every one of them, one at a time.
The problem I have with that is that it takes less than five minutes to say that they have no interest in in FMP sequel and that someone else can animate it.
Correct me if I'm wrong from the light novels past the ones TSR was based on there isn't really a stopping point that would be considered good for a season to finish on? I tried reading up on this a while back but at the same time I wanted to avoid spoilers so I'm not to sure I got it right...
but then again that was also back when Gonzo wasn't on this B-Anime stint.
Gonzo were considered pretty trashy back during those days in the boards I posted on.... (though not to the extent they are now) and they totally made a mess of the first series, KyoAni and the Gatoh had to fix up at the start of TSR. Also after reading the manga I'm also amazed they animated the arm slaves ping pong episodes over some of the other stuff they could've included.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2008-11-07, 08:36
Correct me if I'm wrong from the light novels past the ones TSR was based on there isn't really a stopping point that would be considered good for a season to finish on? I tried reading up on this a while back but at the same time I wanted to avoid spoilers so I'm not to sure I got it right...
Gonzo were considered pretty trashy back during those days in the boards I posted on.... (though not to the extent they are now) and they totally made a mess of the first series, KyoAni and the Gatoh had to fix up at the start of TSR. Also after reading the manga I'm also amazed they animated the arm slaves ping pong episodes over some of the other stuff they could've included.
To be fair, Gonzo didn't actually do that bad a job as far as adaptation accuracies go. At least for expectations back then, anyway. Most people assumed that straight-adaptations were impossible just because nobody tried it.
It's just that I can honestly say, KyoAni redrew the line on what a fan would expect how accurate the adaptation should be to be considered ACCURATE. Gonzo's attempt only looked bad now in comparison, because we saw how accurate they could have been.
Look at it another way; the Negima manga had been adapted what, 3-4 times? But each and every one of them refused to stay with the script. And because minor changes early one causes plot-holes later, none of these anime series could actually continue onwards into sequels that actually follow the manga to its current form as a combat anime.
I hope they will retain the Air-type animation of the OVAs instead of the Lucky Star-type they seem to be favouring these days. :) It really made the world of Munto beautiful.
And yay! More Yumemi and her snarkiness!
Glee!
Unlike most people here I don't have desire for faithfulness nor a Kyoto Animation fanboy but the TV series should prove interesting, in a sense if their original work can be as good as their reputation precedes them.
A sample AMV to showcase the art of the Munto OVAs. :)
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The moment when Yumemi made her decision at the end of the 2nd OVA was a "Hell Yeah!" scene for me. :)
Cheers.
shomazta
2008-11-07, 10:52
[アニメ]京都アニメーションオリジナル作品「MUNTO」TVアニメ化！「空を見上げる少女の瞳に映る世界」200 9年早春より放送開始予定！
[ANIME] Kyoto Animation's original work "MUNTO" TV, "The World Reflected in the Eyes of a Girl Looking Up at the Heavens," will start broadcasting from early Spring 2009!
According to Moon Phase's anime list (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20081106#p1), the project will premiere in early spring of 2009 with a "director's cut" of the two video episodes with new footage. Yoko Hatta (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=13293) (Munto, Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4449), The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6430)) will return as the project's producer. Yoshiji Kigami (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=13294) will also reprise his roles of scriptwriter, director, and episode director. Tomoe Aratani (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=13295) will be the character designer and animation director as she was for the Munto 2 video, the Air (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2480) television series, and Air In Summer (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5428).
Source: ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-11-05/kyoto-animation-munto-to-get-new-tv-anime) update 2
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-07, 15:19
To be fair, Gonzo didn't actually do that bad a job as far as adaptation accuracies go. At least for expectations back then, anyway. Most people assumed that straight-adaptations were impossible just because nobody tried it.
It's just that I can honestly say, KyoAni redrew the line on what a fan would expect how accurate the adaptation should be to be considered ACCURATE. Gonzo's attempt only looked bad now in comparison, because we saw how accurate they could have been.
Look at it another way; the Negima manga had been adapted what, 3-4 times? But each and every one of them refused to stay with the script. And because minor changes early one causes plot-holes later, none of these anime series could actually continue onwards into sequels that actually follow the manga to its current form as a combat anime.
Accuracy Schmaccuracy, Maybe FMP was the weakest as far as strict adapation goes, but I still say it was the strongest of the 3 seasons and had the best blend of comedy/drama/action/solid story. That's all that matters to me in the long run. I know some people are purists and draw the line the second something is altered from it's source, but I say if it's still good watching then where's the crime.
I hope they will retain the Air-type animation of the OVAs instead of the Lucky Star-type they seem to be favouring these days. :) It really made the world of Munto beautiful.
And yay! More Yumemi and her snarkiness!
Glee!
[アニメ]京都アニメーションオリジナル作品「MUNTO」TVアニメ化！「空を見上げる少女の瞳に映る世界」200 9年早春より放送開始予定！
[ANIME] Kyoto Animation's original work "MUNTO" TV, "The World Reflected in the Eyes of a Girl Looking Up at the Heavens," will start broadcasting from early Spring 2009!
According to Moon Phase's anime list (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20081106#p1), the project will premiere in early spring of 2009 with a "director's cut" of the two video episodes with new footage. Yoko Hatta (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=13293) (Munto, Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4449), The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6430)) will return as the project's producer. Yoshiji Kigami (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=13294) will also reprise his roles of scriptwriter, director, and episode director. Tomoe Aratani (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=13295) will be the character designer and animation director as she was for the Munto 2 video, the Air (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2480) television series, and Air In Summer (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5428).
Source: ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-11-05/kyoto-animation-munto-to-get-new-tv-anime) update 2
My prayers have been answered! I am in a very HAPPY, happy place now!
GLEE!
Kaisos Erranon
2008-11-07, 16:17
At least someone's happy.
I am very excited as well. Ive been a fan of Munto for a while now and I was starting to think that the hope of seeing a Munto III was gone completely, despite the few pictures that were floating around on the net earlier this year.
project will premiere in early spring of 2009
probably will premiere
Tomoe Aratani will be the character designer
Good news... but I don't believe in Munto's absolute success anyway. And want Haruhi S2.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2008-11-07, 17:38
Accuracy Schmaccuracy, Maybe FMP was the weakest as far as strict adapation goes, but I still say it was the strongest of the 3 seasons and had the best blend of comedy/drama/action/solid story. That's all that matters to me in the long run. I know some people are purists and draw the line the second something is altered from it's source, but I say if it's still good watching then where's the crime.
The crime is that the alterations can kill sequels.
Look at Slayers; the most recent new series has almost nothing to do with the novels anymore, because all the changes had piled up to a point that they couldn't go back to the novel storyline. Amelia and Zelgadis aren't even suppose to be in it!
Zero no Tsukaima and Negima I mentioned before, have the same problem.
How would Lord of the Rings fans feel, if the first LotR Movie made so many changes that they couldn't continue on with the next two?
It was standard procedure for anime adaptations to burn its bridges to sequels, in exchange for immediate market gain. They splice and change things under the assumption that there wasn't going to be a sequel anyway.
alterations can kill sequels.
Not always. Just remember Futakoi Alternative.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2008-11-07, 17:54
Not always. Just remember Futakoi Alternative.
That's not a sequel, that's a remake.
Just like how Negima has been remade into anime 3 times, it still doesn't make it any better.
This was just an example of alterations. Remake, yes, but with enough alterations. And Munto should be the same. But who knows.
The problem I have with that is that it takes less than five minutes to say that they have no interest in in FMP sequel and that someone else can animate it.
lol too true. The thing is, FMP fans have been patiently (and not so patiently) waiting for the rest of the novels to be animated. They understood the excuse that KyoAni gave, that they had to wait for there to be an actual ending b4 they began working on it, but now that that ending is starting to arrive FMP fans are getting excited and nervous about FMP's future in animation. The books are very popular, the question is will they get turned into anime? Well, the first season KyoAni did (fumoffu) sold ok, but not great compared to their others, but they still ended up doing a whole 'nother season of FMP. With this is mind, and the fact that KyoAni said they had to wait until the books were finished before producing more anime, it seems almost likely they'll do another FMP anime, even though the sales in Japan were pretty low though I'm told it did alright in USA and Austrailia.
Also, how far do u think they'll go with Munto this time? I'm unfamiliar with the series but interested in KyoAni's works in general.
musume_no_hoshi
2008-11-07, 18:15
^ For some reason, I don't think KyoAni would animate any more FMP, from what I remembered. TSR sold around 5000 copies per volume (Although the OVA did around 10,000), Haruhi did around 40,000, Lucky Star 20,000 and Clannad abit under 20,000, even Kanon did around 15,0000 (I consider Kanon to be one of their weakest work). In a economy japan is in, I think it's safer to go with a series that would make money, like Haruhi. I think it is quite safe to say FMP doesn't make money, at least not compared to other KyoAni works. Munto on the other side, we have no idea whether it'll be successful, but I think unless it goes very-terriblely wrong, it should be able to perform higher then 5000 copies per volume.
From the AMV looks like there's no harem at all, seems very un-otaku taste anime, maybe it's a nice change for KyoAni (definately a big plus for me). I always see BONES and SUN RISE as the best animators for their original story (they're pretty good at adapting too.) I hope that I can add KyoAni to the list of good original story animators.
My my...I have no idea what the characters are called, but the red guy must be a male-tsundere...at least I have the feeling he is. <<<male tsundere just happens to be one of my favourite character types.
I honestly hope this does not get canceled. I really liked Munto. I honestly think Munto is some of Kyoto Animation's better work (yes, even better than some of their Key adaptions). Besides, I really praise studios that do their own original work.
Daniel E.
2008-11-07, 19:27
From the AMV looks like there's no harem at all, seems very un-otaku taste anime, maybe it's a nice change for KyoAni (definately a big plus for me). I always see BONES and SUN RISE as the best animators for their original story (they're pretty good at adapting too.) I hope that I can add KyoAni to the list of good original story animators.
Not to trow dirt at Kanon and Clannad, but, I will be quite happy if this new show doesn't have "girl story arcs". :p
shomazta
2008-11-07, 21:12
^ditto, just because KyoAni is known for such shows doesn't mean they have to apply that logic to all their projects... sadly, I don't think it's going to not have "girl story arcs" (uneducated assumption, however looking at that amv I can only gather such) :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-08, 01:02
Not to trow dirt at Kanon and Clannad, but, I will be quite happy if this new show doesn't have "girl story arcs". :p
Kanonnad doesn't really have girl story arcs so much as it creates the illusion of having them I find. Though don't go counting your chickens before they've hatched as this is likely to be a galfest regardless.
donquigleone
2008-11-08, 05:27
I think it seems to have all the necessary elements to be great, whether it will turn out that way or not is another matter entirely.
musume_no_hoshi
2008-11-08, 06:49
Just finished marathoning the OVAs
What I think they should add to the series.
If the TV series is a 26 episode series, then I believe the two OVA would be the first 13 episodes, the next 13 episodes would be about Yumemi at the heavens. For some reason, I think this would have a nice happy ending to it. I would like to see new seiyuu casts, I didn't really like Yumemi's voice, it sounded slightly too flat for emotional scenes. Munto's voice sounded fine to me. Ichiko and Suzume are good.
-They really need to develope why does Yumemi suddenly have such a strong belief in Munto between the two OVA, probally more interactions between them would make things better
-They need to make the countries in the heavens clearer, at the begining of the 2nd OVA, I have no idea which country is fighting and I didn't have any idea who was on each side.
-More explaination what Akuto is, all we know is that it's an energy. It'll be nice to expand to it can actually do and why people/gods are so afraid of it
-Have a new music score, I always find this department weakest in KyoAni's work.
-VERY personal opinion, please have more tsundere scenes for Munto. nuff said.
FireChick
2008-11-08, 07:36
I wonder if the seiyuus from the OVAs will return?
Haohmaru
2008-11-08, 11:30
^I hope not. Or they must've improved a lot these couple of years, cause a lot of the VA's in the OVA's were below average IMO.
I hope this will be better than the OVA's. Cause the OVA's weren't impressive.
I liked the OVAs. Yumemi grew a lot in the 2 OVAs and her depression seemed to have resolved. Somehow I don't think that this will have a happy ending.
Not to trow dirt at Kanon and Clannad, but, I will be quite happy if this new show doesn't have "girl story arcs". :p
KyoAni's Fall/Winter shows always have girl story arcs, while summers seem to be much more linear stories, like Haruhi or Lucky Star. It probably won't.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-11-09, 19:18
KyoAni's Fall/Winter shows always have girl story arcs, while summers seem to be much more linear stories, like Haruhi or Lucky Star. It probably won't.
That's because their fall stories are always Key adaptations...
shomazta
2008-11-09, 19:51
And this isn't a Key adaptation so...
Official website (http://www.munto.com/) is updated with pictures of the chara-design (http://www.munto.com/chara_madou.html).
musume_no_hoshi
2008-11-10, 13:54
Comments on character re-design
Munto looks awfully bishi-er, so that's a good thing.
Looks like they're skipping Munto's first costume...which is a good thing, since that one looks fairly ghey. The new blue one looks like a nice change from blue (Blue is the new red -cough).
Yumemi's eyes look too much of a bright green.
They gave the characters a flatter look, I hope this would increase the frame rate, which I'll be happier then detailed frame with lesser frame rate.
They changed Yumemi's school uniform design, I don't really think this matters too much.
Looks like they designed her fantasy clothes too, but blacked it out T_T
The eyes on Yumemi look really different, the eyes reminds me of Earl and Fairy's Lydia's eyes. No one I thought they looked too green...
I actually... like the new designs. 0_0 I'm surprised. They look different from everything KyoAni has done so far to me, yet "true" to the OVA. Good job. I'm waiting for more.
Makes me wonder how the hell they want to incorporate the original OVA footage to the show...
donquigleone
2008-11-11, 03:27
I think a lot of the female characters look pretty KyoAniish, particularly the one on the bottom of that character page, it's really all in the eyes.
Also wikipedia says that the series will be called Sora o Miageru Shōjo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai, should the thread title be changed?
I remember watching the OVAs a couple of years ago and thinking it had some interesting concepts and was nicely animated but the story felt rushed which ultimately lead to a rather mediocre experience.
Now that Kyoani has built up an excellent reputation and will undoubtedly have more funding I guess it makes sense for them to revisit this project, with the better pacing a tv series will allow it's possible that this will be how they envisaged the story originally.
Well, considering Munto IS their own creation, I guess they finally gathered enough funds to do what they really want to do. You could already tell from the OVAs that a lot of love was poured into the series.
I mean come on, plot coherency aside, the animation level was EPIC, putting most anime-movies to shame.
Cheers.
I mean come on, plot coherency aside, the animation level was EPIC, putting most anime-movies to shame.
Cheers.
Very true - while the plot did seem rushed in the OVAs, the animation quality was pretty impressive. I'm cautiously optimistic that with more time to work with, a TV series could end up being really good - I'm sure the animation won't be all OVA level, but more time to flesh out the plot and characters should more than make up for that.
Haohmaru
2008-11-11, 16:31
Well, considering Munto IS their own creation, I guess they finally gathered enough funds to do what they really want to do. You could already tell from the OVAs that a lot of love was poured into the series.
I mean come on, plot coherency aside, the animation level was EPIC, putting most anime-movies to shame.
Cheers.
Exaggerating much? Animation was good, but I've seen better in movies (I'd rate Madhouse, IG and BONES movies higher than this one).
Exaggerating much? Animation was good, but I've seen better in movies (I'd rate Madhouse, IG and BONES movies higher than this one).
Note, most.
Narf.
donquigleone
2008-11-11, 18:07
Kyoani generally has some of the best animation. Just watch some sequences of Clannad and whatnot. I feel it's somewhat wasted on those type of shows myself, but they are one of the best out there, and consistently. Madhouse can also be good, but it usually has too many static images for my liking.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-11, 18:34
Do you think I'm asking for too much from them if I desire to have at least one strong male character whose defining character trait isn't sarcasm? Like I mean an actual lead character type who doesn't just fall by the wayside everytime a moe girl comes on the screen and end up getting humiliated by her.
Do you think I'm asking for too much from them if I desire to have at least one strong male character whose defining character trait isn't sarcasm? Like I mean an actual lead character type who doesn't just fall by the wayside everytime a moe girl comes on the screen and end up getting humiliated by her.
Considering what Munto went thru. I'd say yes. He's a sarcastic but his heart is in the right place. This is an action title. People were dying big time in this one. Besides, he's the ruler of that kingdom and made some tough decisions in the OVA that was haunting him big time. We're also waiting to see what sparks fly between those 2.
You should just watch the OVAs and make your own decision.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-11, 21:29
Considering what Munto went thru. I'd say yes. He's a sarcastic but his heart is in the right place. This is an action title. People were dying big time in this one. Besides, he's the ruler of that kingdom and made some tough decisions in the OVA that was haunting him big time. We're also waiting to see what sparks fly between those 2.
You should just watch the OVAs and make your own decision.
Well if the TV series is an alternate retelling like I've heard it's going to be then I'll probably just find out then.
Well if the TV series is an alternate retelling like I've heard it's going to be then I'll probably just find out then.
Actually those designs look like they are starting at the end of the 2nd OVA. (Yumemi wasn't that daring with her clothes in the first OVA and she lost her shoes also at the end of OVA 2.) It's probably continuation of the story with flashbacks as needed since it starts with the director's cut (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-11-05/kyoto-animation-munto-to-get-new-tv-anime) of the first 2 episodes.
Actually those designs look like they are starting at the end of the 2nd OVA. (Yumemi wasn't that daring with her clothes in the first OVA and she lost her shoes also at the end of OVA 2.) It's probably continuation of the story with flashbacks as needed since it starts with the director's cut (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-11-05/kyoto-animation-munto-to-get-new-tv-anime) of the first 2 episodes.
I wonder how they'll do that--each OVA episode was long enough to make two TV episodes out of, unless a lot ends up on the cutting room floor.
The new name they gave for the series in that ANN article is insanely long though: "Sora o Miageru Shōjo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai"? That makes Yoakena's full title look short... :heh:
Kaisos Erranon
2008-11-14, 14:10
Just watched the first OVA...
Well, all I can say is that I've seen much better, especially from KyoAni. Of course, it being their first work, it's understandable.
Good world concepts, though. If "Sora o Miageru Shōjo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai" (someone really need to come up with a shortened version of that... Sorasekai?) actually explains a lot more and lengthens out some of the plot a bit, it should be pretty cool.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-15, 04:54
I wonder how they'll do that--each OVA episode was long enough to make two TV episodes out of, unless a lot ends up on the cutting room floor.
The new name they gave for the series in that ANN article is insanely long though: "Sora o Miageru Shōjo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai"? That makes Yoakena's full title look short... :heh:
It sounds oddly close to that other series coming out in 2009, Sora O Kakeru Shoujo, only as you said, pointlessly long. Maybe the extension of "no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai" was made to avoid any potential confusion between the upcoming titles.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is, an extension. <_<;;
Gramatically, the object of the title isn't even "shoujo."
Kaioshin Sama
2008-11-15, 06:05
Yeah, that's exactly what it is, an extension. <_<;;
Gramatically, the object of the title isn't even "shoujo."
Well I get, "The Girl That Looked Up Into The Sky/Heaven" followed by "Of The World Reflected In Her Eyes", or the other way around in "The World Reflected In The Eyes Of A Girl That Looked Up Into The Sky/Heaven". I don't actually know specifically how the grammatical structure of it works and I don't really care, I'm just throwing out an idea as to why it might be such an unusually long subtitle when it could just potentially be Munto: The Girl That Looked Up Into The Sky/Heaven.
Edgewalker
2008-11-30, 03:24
Yes... it sucks that this means Haruhi will be even further into the future, but Munto has deserved its own TV series long before most of us even knew what Haruhi even was.
Looking forward to this.
musume_no_hoshi
2008-11-30, 09:09
More character designs are revealed
http://www.munto.com/chara_chijuou.html
Nothing to comment, they're not great, but not awful either. I have to say, that pink hair girl in the OVA has to be voiced by Kugimiya Rie, I can't think of any other seiyuu that would match as the voice ^_^''
Yes... it sucks that this means Haruhi will be even further into the future, but Munto has deserved its own TV series long before most of us even knew what Haruhi even was.
Looking forward to this.
Today's moonphase dairy update has a Newtype pic with a 1/13 airing date. Kyoani working on two series at once? Haruhi in the spring then?
Kaioshin Sama
2008-12-06, 15:43
Today's moonphase dairy update has a Newtype pic with a 1/13 airing date. Kyoani working on two series at once? Haruhi in the spring then?
Don't spread any rumours or you have people complaining again when it turns out not to be true.
http://www.munto.com/chara_chijuou.html
Character update showing the girls' in school wear. I personally do not like the new clothing because it looks too skimpy which contrasts from the vibes I got from the OAVs in that they wore decent clothing.
Also these three pages showed up:
http://www.munto.com/story.html#guntarl
http://www.munto.com/tv.html#guntarl
http://www.munto.com/staff.html#guntarl
Kaisos Erranon
2008-12-10, 23:12
Well then, it is airing in January. Guess we get Haruhi next spring or summer after all.
musume_no_hoshi
2008-12-11, 12:22
Wow out by Jan?! KyoAni working on two series at a time, now that's a first.
List of Seiyuu
日高ユメミ： 相沢 舞
ムント： 小野大輔
小野イチコ： 堀川千華
今村スズメ： 今野宏美
高森カズヤ： 高橋伸也
戸部タカシ： 水原 薫
日高シゲル： 平松広和
日高ノゾミ： 井上喜久子
日高チカラ： 内田 彩
ガス： 稲田 徹
グンタール： 若本規夫
グリドリ： 白石 稔
リュエリ： 田中涼子
トーチェ： 松元 恵
イリータ： 土谷麻貴
ライカ： 斎藤楓子
ルイ： 遠藤広之
Daisuke Ono as Munto and Mai Aizawa as Yumemi. No idea who Aizawa is, and I don't think I heard her before either. Ono should be well known to most people, Itsuki from Haruhi. He should have no probleming voicing Munto.
http://www.munto.com/chara_chijuou.html
Character update showing the girls' in school wear. I personally do not like the new clothing because it looks too skimpy which contrasts from the vibes I got from the OAVs in that they wore decent clothing.
Also these three pages showed up:
http://www.munto.com/story.html#guntarl
http://www.munto.com/tv.html#guntarl
http://www.munto.com/staff.html#guntarl
Ah... KyoAni's physics-defying skirts.
Heh.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-12-11, 15:54
Daisuke Ono as Munto and Mai Aizawa as Yumemi. No idea who Aizawa is, and I don't think I heard her before either. Ono should be well known to most people, Itsuki from Haruhi. He should have no probleming voicing Munto.
Oh my god that's awesome.
Ah... KyoAni's physics-defying skirts.
Heh.
Well, to be fair, the ones in Haruhi are perfectly plausible, given the way they're made.
Other series... not so much.
List of Seiyuu
日高ユメミ： 相沢 舞
ムント： 小野大輔
Daisuke Ono as Munto and Mai Aizawa as Yumemi. No idea who Aizawa is, and I don't think I heard her before either. Ono should be well known to most people, Itsuki from Haruhi. He should have no probleming voicing Munto.
Original Munto was passably FABULOUS with his outfit, the new one is now even MOAR FABULOUS with Ono.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-12-11, 16:11
I fully expect them to make Hosaka jokes with this character.
They have to, it's obligatory now.
Kaioshin Sama
2008-12-11, 18:29
Ah... KyoAni's physics-defying skirts.
Heh.
As opposed to the variety seen in other anime that can be blown up just by walking past someone?
FireChick
2008-12-11, 18:48
Aizawa Mai does Ayano Minegishi from Lucky Star. Man! I thought the original seiyuus would be the same.
SkoolRumble4Ya
2008-12-11, 21:19
I'm glad Kyoani is working on two series in the same season. Hopefully it means they can do two projects in the same season in the future.
musume_no_hoshi
2008-12-12, 14:37
http://www.munto.com/chara_rengou.html
Did some google search of the seiyuu name, and this guy is actually gonna be voiced by Wakamoto, who else could have voice this character :heh: Munto seems to be going in the right direction
And looks like Eufonius is doing the opening. I'm not too fond of them, but I don't hate them either.
http://www.animate-shop.jp/ws/commodity_param/ctc/cd/shc/0/cmc/4100452
Kaisos Erranon
2008-12-12, 18:15
Well, it's shaping up to be a very KyoAni show.
Shinndou
2008-12-13, 07:08
This is probably the first KyoAni project that I'm really looking forward to since a loooong time (I could care less about Haruhi or any Kei adaptation).
And looks like Eufonius is doing the opening. I'm not too fond of them, but I don't hate them either.
http://www.animate-shop.jp/ws/commodity_param/ctc/cd/shc/0/cmc/4100452
Oh nice! Been a fan of them since I watched Noein and I liked their stuff in Clannad and True Tears.
Ottocycle
2008-12-15, 06:11
I'm glad Kyoani is working on two series in the same season. Hopefully it means they can do two projects in the same season in the future.
The result of that is clearly reflected in the quality of their recent releases(CLANNAD AS specifically).
Seeing this show being announced i figured i have to finally sit down and actually watch the first two movies :) While the first one left me with a pretty sour taste in my mouth, the second one proved to be insurmountably better than the first. The quality of storytelling, characterization and pacing had improved considerably (along with animation quality), and i actually found myself enjoying the story quite a bit. With the positive impression of the second movie in mind, i am looking towards this show and what KyoAni are going to do with the premise they set up, which turned out to be more interesting than i originally thought it had the potential of being. At any rate, as something different from KyoAni, this is something to look towards to :)
musume_no_hoshi
2008-12-17, 11:47
Erm, I hope this is allowed, looks like m.3.3.w are planning to pick up the series
http://m33w-fansubs.com/2008/12/chaoshead-10-winter-at-m33w/
So that's all good news, I liked their quality and speed.
SkoolRumble4Ya
2008-12-18, 16:45
The result of that is clearly reflected in the quality of their recent releases(CLANNAD AS specifically).
I dunno Afterstory looks cool to me. Maybe I don't pay close attention to it. :heh:
I dunno Afterstory looks cool to me. Maybe I don't pay close attention to it. :heh:
There's been a marked decline in quality over the past year. Nevertheless, I expected it to happen since Kyoto Animation no longer has to keep outdoing itself to gain attention.
As well, there's probably much pressure to aggressively capitalize on success (more projects, faster output) since a company can only remain hot for so long.
musume_no_hoshi
2008-12-19, 08:28
My theory on the decline quality, Economic Slump. Obviously the sponsers are going to sponser less money on anime, if they're running low on money in general. KyoAni has less money to play on anime, the quality is going to go down. This leads to my other theory, why Munto TV now? It's because the sponsers can't sponser as much on adaption, KyoAni thought 'Lets animate Munto while the sponsers can't give us as much money for adaption, we'll use our own money for Munto then spending it on an adaption.' Obviously they're just random theories that I have came up with :uhoh:
But yes, Clannad AS quality can gone down from the first series.
Kaoru Chujo
2008-12-19, 13:55
It sounds oddly close to that other series coming out in 2009, Sora O Kakeru Shoujo, only as you said, pointlessly long. Maybe the extension of "no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai" was made to avoid any potential confusion between the upcoming titles.Hey, I think it's a beautiful title. Not pointless at all. It struck me as interesting the first time I read it: "sky-looking-up-at girl's eyes-in reflected world." -- "The world reflected in the eyes of a girl looking up into the sky." Just unfortunate that another show with a title similar is coming out. We'll have to see what short title the Japanese give it.
Seeing this show being announced i figured i have to finally sit down and actually watch the first two movies While the first one left me with a pretty sour taste in my mouth, the second one proved to be insurmountably better than the first. The quality of storytelling, characterization and pacing had improved considerably (along with animation quality), and i actually found myself enjoying the story quite a bit....The second OVA had Yamamoto Yutaka (director of Kannagi, fired director of Lucky Star) as assistant director. I think he has a good effect on anything he touches. Such as Suzumiya Haruhi, for which he was also assistant director.
Also in the cast: Shiraishi Minoru and Konno Hiromi, the two who did the semi-funny little features at the end of every Lucky Star epsiode.
Well then, it is airing in January. Guess we get Haruhi next spring or summer after all. Don't hold your breath, I'm afraid. MoonPhase (http://www.moonphase.cc/Html/anime.html) lists shows it knows to be in the works, and it isn't there, at least not yet. What is there is a show called "Suzumiya Haruhi-chan no Yuuutsu," which is the animation of a strip comic Haruhi, to be directed by the director of Lucky Star, not the director of Haruhi. No date given, not even the year. To be shown on the YouTube Kadokawa anime channel (http://jp.youtube.com/kadokawaanime).
Kaioshin Sama
2008-12-20, 22:15
Hey, I think it's a beautiful title. Not pointless at all. It struck me as interesting the first time I read it: "sky-looking-up-at girl's eyes-in reflected world." -- "The world reflected in the eyes of a girl looking up into the sky." Just unfortunate that another show with a title similar is coming out. We'll have to see what short title the Japanese give it..
Hopefully it sounds better then Sora Kake Girl, which is just an awkward mishmash of Japanes and English if ever there was one.
What is there is a show called "Suzumiya Haruhi-chan no Yuuutsu," which is the animation of a strip comic Haruhi, to be directed by the director of Lucky Star, not the director of Haruhi.
Yasuhiro Takemoto was originally slated to direct Haruhi 2, but with all the delays, I wonder if that will change.
There is one thing that keeps bugging me regarding this upcoming show though ... and that would be the character designs displayed at the main site. I know this has the same art director as Air, which makes me quite content ... but the designs posted at the site look awfully Lucky Star-ish ... which, in my opinion, have no place in a title of such nature as Munto. Honestly, the designs look like a downgrade compared to the second movie, so i can't help but feel a little worried. I can only hope the characters will look better in action than they do on paper, because honestly that looks quite mediocre compared to what we got last time. (Damn KyoAni and their stingy lack of previews ...)
FireChick
2008-12-24, 07:22
My theory on the decline quality, Economic Slump. Obviously the sponsers are going to sponser less money on anime, if they're running low on money in general. KyoAni has less money to play on anime, the quality is going to go down. This leads to my other theory, why Munto TV now? It's because the sponsers can't sponser as much on adaption, KyoAni thought 'Lets animate Munto while the sponsers can't give us as much money for adaption, we'll use our own money for Munto then spending it on an adaption.' Obviously they're just random theories that I have came up with
I guess THIS could be why they won't be making a new Haruhi season anytime soon!! Haha!:heh:
musume_no_hoshi
2008-12-24, 09:32
Although the character designs doesn't look too detailed, but most likely when it is moving it'll look alot better. I guess KyoAni had to sacrafice details for framerate, which I personally prefer. At least I liked to think that the frame rate would be higher if each frame is simplier. As seen from Clannad, which had some really detailed character designs, some episodes just slipped down. If the character isn't as detailed, the animation would most likely be more consistant. I bet the OST isn't going to be great, KyoAni's worst thing is the OST.
Yes more simplistic character designs should make for more fluid animation, so I'm okay with that.
But the thing is, the second movie had absolutely no problems as far as fluidity is concerned. (And if we want an action series comparison, neither did TSR). So in light of what KyoAni usually provides us with, we don't gain much in getting simplified character designs, as fluidity wasn't a concern to begin with. (Clannad's frame rate actually exceeds what seems to be the standard in most cases).
Is Munto going to push even higher because the character design got watered down ? I have high doubts in that regard, but we shall see. (Or we wouldn't, in case of a slight increase ...the character designs we definitely would, however). I can only echo the hope it is going to look better on screen than it does on paper.
Some quick screenshots for comparison (pardon the lack of Munto screens, but those seem spoilerish for the most part :))
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0567/1_8.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0567/1_8) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0524/2_7.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0524/2_7)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0858/3_19.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0858/3_19) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0091/4_3.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0091/4_3)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0250/6_8.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0250/6_8)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0956/5.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0956/5) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0802/8_7.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0802/8_7)
I realize i might be calling doom and gloom a bit too early, but i am simply not very excited about the possible prospects on the character designs. It isn't really marginal - they simply look bad in comparison.
But the thing is, the second movie had absolutely no problems as far as fluidity is concerned. (And if we want an action series comparison, neither did TSR). So in light of what KyoAni usually provides us with, we don't gain much in getting simplified character designs, as fluidity wasn't a concern to begin with. (Clannad's frame rate actually exceeds what seems to be the standard in most cases).
Is Munto going to push even higher because the character design got watered down ? I have high doubts in that regard, but we shall see. (Or we wouldn't, in case of a slight increase ...the character designs we definitely would, however). I can only echo the hope it is going to look better on screen than it does on paper.
Some quick screenshots for comparison (pardon the lack of Munto screens, but those seem spoilerish for the most part :))
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0567/1_8.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0567/1_8) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0524/2_7.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0524/2_7)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0858/3_19.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0858/3_19) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0091/4_3.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0091/4_3)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0250/6_8.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0250/6_8)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0956/5.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0956/5) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0802/8_7.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0802/8_7)
I realize i might be calling doom and gloom a bit too early, but i am simply not very excited about the possible prospects on the character designs. It isn't really marginal - they simply look bad in comparison.
The thing is with Munto they will be doing 2 series at the same time (though how much of either series was done in between LS and now who knows...) for the first time ever so they can't exactly put out Air quality animation for both series. Also there's no way that Munto TV will be more fluid than the Movie/OVA even with more simplistic designs. The budget and time constraints alone assure that.
I've got no idea how much time they get to spend on an episode before it airs but stuff like Macross Frontier have had their next episode altered heavily (Episode 6) before it aired due to the reaction (ZOMG SHERYL IS AWESOME) of the previous one (Episode 5). If KyoAni are on a similar schedule than somethings got to give and it looks like it's Munto's character designs.
Blue-kun
2008-12-24, 11:10
The thing is with Munto they will be doing 2 series at the same time (though how much of either series was done in between LS and now who knows...) for the first time ever so they can't exactly put out Air quality animation for both series. Also there's no way that Munto TV will be more fluid than the Movie/OVA even with more simplistic designs. The budget and time constraints alone assure that.
I'm really starting to think that I'm watching a different Clannad ~After Story~ than you guys. I can't imagine Kyoto having budget/time constraints problems when almost every episode features bits with "120fps animation" that look absolutely stunning.
That said, if they're doing two series at the same time, I'm pretty sure they feel capable to do so without messing up with their usual quality. You gotta remember that the Kyoto who did AIR wasn't nowhere near as big as they are nowadays, heck, they even moved their place to a bigger one not so long ago.
In other news, looking forward to this. While I'd agree the character designs aren't really looking that hot, website stuff tends to look a bit awful compared to the actual show, so I'm keeping my hopes up.
The thing is with Munto they will be doing 2 series at the same time (though how much of either series was done in between LS and now who knows...) for the first time ever so they can't exactly put out Air quality animation for both series. Also there's no way that Munto TV will be more fluid than the Movie/OVA even with more simplistic designs. The budget and time constraints alone assure that.
I've got no idea how much time they get to spend on an episode before it airs but stuff like Macross Frontier have had their next episode altered heavily (Episode 6) before it aired due to the reaction (ZOMG SHERYL IS AWESOME) of the previous one (Episode 5). If KyoAni are on a similar schedule than somethings got to give and it looks like it's Munto's character designs.
I am aware of both the budget constrains and the fact this will essentially be the first time KyoAni will be airing two shows simultaneously, but that doesn't really change the fact that, going by what we have up to now (the few designs on the main page), the designs look sub-par. I am not even talking compared to Air-quality sub-par; general standard sub-par. Look at Yumemi's design, especially the school uniform one - it is oversimplified to the core and details can't possibly be missing more. It is so bland you would have hard time making it more simplified even if you tried. (And i am not that picky when it comes to animation).
What makes me hopeful is the art director being the same as Air and Munto 2nd movie, as well as the hope these sketches might not be final and it would end up looking better in action ... but going by what we have thus far, i am quite discouraged. (On a side note about Macross - that show tended to get pretty horrible at times as far as character art went ...i am really not expecting anything of that 'level' here :))
Update on the character page: http://www.munto.com/chara_madou.html#toche
Also, a trailer: http://www.munto.com/yokoku.html#muntotv_yokoku
The trailer has no new footage, but I think the song that plays might be the opening or ending song.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3522/top1228ak7.jpg
Also, what does the yellow text say?
It says, promo is released, meaning the trailer is on TV.
Good, Yumemi, you look kinda Key game female lead here.
PS: Do not start blowing this remark out of proportions.
The trailer contains nothing but scenes from the first two OVAs (stingy KyoAni), so we still have no idea how the new character designs are going to look live. Though looking at the above image makes me want to cringe in comparison :heh: (And i have no idea how the Key remark fits here).
The trailer contains nothing but scenes from the first two OVAs (stingy KyoAni), so we still have no idea how the new character designs are going to look live. Though looking at the above image makes me want to cringe in comparison :heh: (And i have no idea how the Key remark fits here).
Maybe because she looks a little like Misuzu with a less rounder face, green eyes. Misuzu is still the champ for hair length of the 2.
Hm ...might be. Though i would find both of them equally attractive, even if their personalities are quite different :) (And i realize i am sounding like a broken record, but i am afraid such a semblance will be going away with the apparent art change, sadly).
Her Image 5 on the website still has that Misuzu likeness.
I liked them both too. Yumemi took a bit more time to do the right thing though.
Considering her circumstances, i wouldn't blame her for any amount of time she took for her decision. I would have actually been disappointed at the writing if she happened to do it any sooner than she did :) I mean ...if such a situation fell from the sky (literally :heh:) in front of you, would anyone be happy to accept, acknowledge and go along with it on moment's notice ? :)
pagan poor
2008-12-30, 09:58
Update on the character page:
The trailer has no new footage, but I think the song that plays might be the opening or ending song.
That sounds like the eufonious song that will be the OP as mentioned in a previous post. Not too outside the previous OP's they've done for Clannad and true tears.
Looking forward to seeing this, as I've not seen the earlier OVA's as of yet.
Yeah typical Eufonius, but that's not a bad thing at all! Sounds pretty good though I don't think it will top their Noein OP "Idea" as my fav song by them. Pity the eufonius composer isn't doing the score for this show, I really hope that True Tears isn't the only anime he does a score for, it's one of this years best.
http://www.munto.com/chara_rengou.html
Did some google search of the seiyuu name, and this guy is actually gonna be voiced by Wakamoto, who else could have voice this character :heh: Munto seems to be going in the right direction
Wakamoto as Gntarl? It's going to be hard not picturing Onsokumaru in my head whenever he's talking... :heh:
Honestly, the designs look like a downgrade compared to the second movie, so i can't help but feel a little worried. I can only hope the characters will look better in action than they do on paper, because honestly that looks quite mediocre compared to what we got last time. (Damn KyoAni and their stingy lack of previews ...)
I thought the same thing, but I guess I'm not surprised, I'm assuming for a TV series (especially in this economy) they have less budget per episode than the OVAs, so simplifying the designs makes sense. If the story is good and more fleshed out than the OVAs, I can live with simpler animation, so I'm still really looking forward to this (especially since OVA 2 ended on a cliffhanger).
Considering her circumstances, i wouldn't blame her for any amount of time she took for her decision. I would have actually been disappointed at the writing if she happened to do it any sooner than she did :) I mean ...if such a situation fell from the sky (literally :heh:) in front of you, would anyone be happy to accept, acknowledge and go along with it on moment's notice ? :)
Yumemi's hesitation annoyed me at first, since usually in anime it doesn't take long for characters to accept similar exceptional events/situations...but on re-watching this I agree that it's really much more realistic for someone to react the way she did. It kind of makes her more human as a character too.
the anime looks interesting. I'm thinking of trying it when it's out, but I haven't seen the OVAs. Would you guys recommend watching them first? would it feel really disconnected and confusing if I don't watch the OVAs? thanks.
FireChick
2009-01-03, 08:19
I just hope this show won't be ecchi or filled with stupid fan-service which I hate. The pictures look good.
I just hope this show won't be ecchi or filled with stupid fan-service which I hate. The pictures look good.
Judging from they're previous works, i don't think KyoAni is the type of studio that needs to turn to blatant ecchi and fanservice. In fact I don't think there has ever been a pantsu-shot in any of their anime thus far :heh:
FireChick
2009-01-03, 10:03
You're right (though Haruhi is an exception, with the chest-grabbing, which I also hate with a passion). This does look good, so I think I'll give this a try (though I'm definitely watching the new Natsume Yuujinchou!).
If there is ecchi fanservice in a KyoAni product (so far) it has been from the primary source material, not their own reaction....save maybe the twins in FMP: The Second Raid...but that was just altering the original fanservice from male to female (good move considering the fanbase). Consider they made Kanon and AIR clean from their ero-game basis...(of course the ero was tacked on for Key, as shown in CLANNAD, the ero-free VN they were aiming for inthe first place)
Judging from they're previous works, i don't think KyoAni is the type of studio that needs to turn to blatant ecchi and fanservice. In fact I don't think there has ever been a pantsu-shot in any of their anime thus far :heh:
...aside from every single season of FMP, right?
First season of FMP was GONZO, not KyoAni. It has lots of fanservice shots...Fumoffu had very little, relatively speaking.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-01-03, 17:58
If there is ecchi fanservice in a KyoAni product (so far) it has been from the primary source material, not their own reaction....save maybe the twins in FMP: The Second Raid...but that was just altering the original fanservice from male to female (good move considering the fanbase). Consider they made Kanon and AIR clean from their ero-game basis...(of course the ero was tacked on for Key, as shown in CLANNAD, the ero-free VN they were aiming for inthe first place)
CLANNAD isn't ero-free. Visual-wise, yeah. Dialogue... not so much.
First season of FMP was GONZO, not KyoAni. It has lots of fanservice shots...Fumoffu had very little, relatively speaking.
Uh huh. There was an episode of Fumoffu where the punchline was two straight minutes of cheesecake bra and panty shots of all the girls, and TSR is chock full of ones for the twins as well as a few for Chidori without even touching the DVD episode of Tessa wandering around in her underwear.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-01-03, 18:55
So yeah, not entirely free of fanservice.
It might depend on what station is broadcasting this, since Clannad had pretty much none even when the source material called for it.
Uh huh. There was an episode of Fumoffu where the punchline was two straight minutes of cheesecake bra and panty shots of all the girls, and TSR is chock full of ones for the twins as well as a few for Chidori without even touching the DVD episode of Tessa wandering around in her underwear.
haha I stand corrected. It's been awhile since i last saw FMP!, so it must've flew by my head. I guess the KyoAni skirts of steel ain't as tough as it sounds afterall :heh:
EDIT: You can't have Skirts of Steel if they aren't wearing skirts in the first place.
Natch.
Touche :heh:
haha I stand corrected. It's been awhile since i last saw FMP!, so it must've flew by my head. I guess the KyoAni skirts of steel ain't as tough as it sounds afterall :heh:
You can't have Skirts of Steel if they aren't wearing skirts in the first place. :p
Natch.
I was refering to the skirt flips mainly, which seemed to be gone from the KyoAni FMP. The walking about in and out of their underwear I was treating as a seperate issue as that is more useful in the settings they are presented in rather than the "accidental" fan service used in other anime.
But we still have about a week to go before we find out what Munto will be like after six years of remission.
That last outfit Yumemi wore in the OVA left very little to the imagination. No skirt flipping necessary. :heh:
Hey now, you are making it sound as if she actually wore something indecent, while that is not the case at all:heh: (case in point: image (http://e.imagehost.org/0238/1_25.jpg)). I actually liked the cozy simplicity of her last outfit, which consisted of a white sweater reaching down to her thighs, and i felt it matched her image nicely :) (And would be quite unrealistic if that actually flipped in the first place). The movies didn't have a single shot of fanservice anyway.
Though it seems they might want to add something of that flavor, seeing the changes her school uniform's design has underwent ... a shame, i liked the original one. (Assuming i would want to look, given how horrible the TV series animation looks in the first place >_>)
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-04, 08:05
If we see the OVA as 'original material', there's no call for fanservice, just like Clannad. Maybe we'll get one or two shots similar to Kotomi and Ryou doing that back to back excercise from some episode.
Hey now, you are making it sound as if she actually wore something indecent, while that is not the case at all:heh: (case in point: image (http://e.imagehost.org/0238/1_25.jpg)). I actually liked the cozy simplicity of her last outfit, which consisted of a white sweater reaching down to her thighs, and i felt it matched her image nicely :) (And would be quite unrealistic if that actually flipped in the first place). The movies didn't have a single shot of fanservice anyway.
Though it seems they might want to add something of that flavor, seeing the changes her school uniform's design has underwent ... a shame, i liked the original one. (Assuming i would want to look, given how horrible the TV series animation looks in the first place >_>)
It's a tight outfit with a short hemline. Those type of clothes leave nothing to the imagination despite the fog. And it's redesign is even shorter and more revealing. :heh:
If we see the OVA as 'original material', there's no call for fanservice, just like Clannad. Maybe we'll get one or two shots similar to Kotomi and Ryou doing that back to back excercise from some episode.
Don't forget Nayuki's clothes changing moment in Kanon.
It's a tight outfit with a short hemline. Those type of clothes leave nothing to the imagination despite the fog. And it's redesign is even shorter and more revealing. :heh:
Sorry, i am going to have to heavily disagree here, at least the way you are wording it. You are quite severally misusing the terms 'revealing' and 'leaving nothing to imagination'.
It's not a misuse.
Just look at the new design of that outfit. You could get her bra, hip and waist size from that outfit if you had other reference measurements. It's skintight.
With that dress only stooping is allowed.
If we go by that 'definition', same concept applies to almost every single anime female out there. I simply can not agree to your assertion here; i am slightly bewildered you found anything fanservice-y about that image at all. So yes, given the context i indeed think you are misusing the terms. I do not agree to the concept that an outfit actually showing some curves (and it isn't as bad as you make it sound) is 'leaving nothing to imagination'. It leaves plenty, without one having to wonder about her gender at the same time.
The new outfit has become skimpier indeed (especially the school uniforms, almost ridiculously so), but the one she is wearing in the image i posted above is about as 'normal' as can reasonably get.
But you can even see an imprint of 1/2 of her groin in one of the shots as she is shown taking a step (redesigned outfit). Not too many dresses in real life go that far unless they are skintight.
The one you posted had a short hemline too and is prob the same length as the redesigned one.
Edit: But you know, the redesigned outfit would prob be more inline with what girls actually wear and more realistic (skintight). Even in the next to last chapter it was blowing too much in the wind.
Did they release any info on what the OP and ED would be?
And does anybody have a textless version of this image:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7843/muntovy6.jpg
Vegard Aune
2009-01-06, 15:18
Did they release any info on what the OP and ED would be?
Both the opening- and ending-single seems to be available for preorder from cdjapan, so unless they've got the titles and credits completely wrong, the opening theme is ...some song... (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=LACM-4568) by eufonius, and the ending-theme, is apparently called "Hikari to Yami to Toki Hate" (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=LACM-4568), performed by Ceui.
Uh, wow, her legs are waaaaay out of proportion in that image.
Well I always enjoy the animation quality that Kyoto Animation brings to its animes. I also feel Kyoto Animation has done a good job in terms of compressing Key's Visual Novel stories into animes.
I haven't seen the Munto OVA yet, but I look forward to watching this series, despite it not being top on my agenda.
While I do find it quite frustration Kyoto Animation hasn't decided to declare an airing date for Haruhi 2 or make an announcement of starting the 4th Full Metal Panic series / Key's Little Busters, I find the Haruhi and FMP! fanboys/girls to be unbelievably unreasonable by shunning down a series before it's even aired.
and the ending-theme, is apparently called "Hikari to Yami to Toki Hate" (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=LACM-4568), performed by Ceui.
Same artist as the one who sang the sola themes? I am rejoiced.
blitz1/2
2009-01-07, 09:06
To me, I think.
this anime > Haruhi, yea, Kyoani if you delay haruhi season 2, I'll support you!
And character design looks awesome.
Haohmaru
2009-01-07, 10:13
To me most Kyo-ani series>this. Story was pretty weak and characters weren't all that either. I rather get FMP more than anything else though. Is this 26 episodes btw? I wonder how they will change the story (if they will change it compared to the movie). They can't really use the same story or else they'll be stretching it a lot.
The series will be a continuation to the story (really, where the movies ended was just screaming of "And here is how it begins" anyway), so they won't have to stretch anything. Added to the fact this is their original work with no source material, the story can be woven out in any number of ways, so pacing issues should be of no problem - they can structure the story specifically for whatever timeframe they give it.
I am not sure if it has been confirmed whether the series will be retelling the movie material first before moving on or not, though personally i want that to be the case. The storytelling and pacing were rushed and all over the place during the first movie, so i would gladly see that part reworked. Either way, they are unlikely to change anything about the story as seen in the movies - it is the founding stone of the premise, we will just have to wait and see where they take it from there.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-01-07, 15:20
To me, I think.
this anime > Haruhi, yea, Kyoani if you delay haruhi season 2, I'll support you!
WHY do you continue to spread such hatred for no other reason than to antagonize people?
Seriously, we all know you didn't like Haruhi. You can stop now.
blitz1/2
2009-01-07, 20:28
WHY do you continue to spread such hatred for no other reason than to antagonize people?
Seriously, we all know you didn't like Haruhi. You can stop now.
Agreed, I should stop now. Thanks for the reminder, univ life is over-stressing me. (need to take fury at somewhere else)
There are some computer games designed to relieve one's fury. Depending on tastes in games.
Uh, wow, her legs are waaaaay out of proportion in that image.
Maybe they did a survey and found out that "KyoAni fanboys like anime girls with long legs." :heh:
Leo_Otaku
2009-01-08, 00:24
I missed the 2nd OVA LOL I wonderwhat is going to happen Imean most OVA's not based on anything leave you with a wtf feeling alot of the time. (maybe just me anyway)
NibelungTaisa
2009-01-08, 20:50
IMO, this is a pretty bold but smart move for kyoani. Kyoani has never run more than one anime in the same season, so maybe this is a way to test if they can or are ready to take the step up to produce more than one anime in the same season. What better and less expensive way to test that theory than to use your own original material, such as Munto in this case? It would be more expensive to produce and run another anime adapted from a manga, etc, given the licensing issues and such. Since Munto is their only work they do not need to worry about licensing or pay to produce it and such. Let's not forget about them abandoning the works of "Tonari no Yaoi-chan" (don't know the name completely).
There is also less risk to run Munto alongside with Clannad, than to run Haruhi instead. If Haruhi was to be released instead, alongside with Clannad, and it would not live up to the hype as the 1st season like many fans would like, then there might be a huge backlash on Haruhi and Kyoani as a whole.
As stated before, this might be a test to see if Kyoani is ready to produce and release more than one anime in a season. If successful, we can probably see kyoani release more than one anime in the same season. If unsuccessful, you will probably see Haruhi sooner, to make up for the money and time invested to produce Munto, as a TRUMP card you can say.
Kyoani didn't start to release more than a 1 tier anime until Kanon 2006. If Kanon 2006 didn't have the success that IT had, then we probably wouldn't be seeing any 2-tiered anime at all. Clannad would be split into 2 seasons, with AS another 2 season. Same for Lucky Star and such.
So, this is all my opinion, and I am saying that this is a good market strategy and tactics. Also, I am looking forward to this anime very much.
It would be more expensive to produce and run another anime adapted from a manga, etc, given the licensing issues and such.
Are you sure? With licensed properties, projects are financed by extensive production committees, so there's less risk for an anime studio. The company gets a smaller piece of the pie (although merchandising royalties might make up for it), but in the event of failure, they're safer since they don't spend as much money.
OTOH, original properties impose heavy burdens on a single company, which is why they're primarily done by very profitable studios. That KyoAni is revisiting Munto is a sign that they have ample resources at hand, as well as a step in their evolution as a company (i.e. the pride of being able to develop and own their original IP). I don't think it's a market tactic at all, but rather a first peak into the future.
Maybe KyoAni is getting a cut of the Kadokawa's YouTube profits (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube) after all. :heh:
It's more riskier to go with an original production but it does give you more rep points like with BONES/Sword of the Stranger.
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-09, 13:02
I have alot of respect for BONES, they make really good orginal-idea anime. Like Eureka 7, Xam'd and FMA (okay FMA is techically an adaption, but they changed SO much of the story, I can almost call it an original-idea) I don't think I seen a BONES series that is even medicore. KyoAni is also repsective, but they do only do adaption up to this point, so BONES is still higher on my list. I have my respect to Sunrise for making such Troll-ish anime, they make one of the most 'entertaining' anime I ever seen -coughcodegeasscough-
I also think KyoAni is trying its own skill, seeing that the most 'best selling' anime are anime orginal. (the recent ones I can think on top of my head would be Code Geass, Gundam and Guren Lagann). They probally earned enough to use its own money to make an anime.
ZODDGUTS
2009-01-09, 13:39
I have alot of respect for BONES, they make really good orginal-idea anime. Like Eureka 7, Xam'd and FMA (okay FMA is techically an adaption, but they changed SO much of the story, I can almost call it an original-idea) I don't think I seen a BONES series that is even medicore. KyoAni is also repsective, but they do only do adaption up to this point, so BONES is still higher on my list.
Looks like you haven't seen Mars Daybreak...
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-09, 14:25
Yup, I haven't seen it. Thats why I said the anime I seen from bones :heh:
'HD' version of the newly shown TV-CM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0pwUcPL7qc&feature=channel_page&fmt=22
Daisuke Ono's voice didn't sound as powerful as I would like it. Yumemi's voice sounds perfectly fine, but she only said 'Anta dare', so I can't really comment on it.
Edgewalker
2009-01-12, 23:08
Its airing soon :P
Exactly what time (EST) tomorrow will it air?
http://www.munto.com/tv.html
The website states that it will air on ChibaTV on Tuesday at "２５：４５～２６：１５" (other channels are broadcasting Munto, too). I believe that is in GMT; I do not know what that translates to in EST.
Also, I have been refreshing the site constantly to see if any new content will be available (not that there is any indication there will be new content).
If I read that correctly... that would be Tueday at 8:45pm EST. Assuming that 2545 GMT on Tusday is actually 0145 on Wednesday. EST is 5 hours behind GMT (At least I think it is five hours since currently PST is eight hours)...so 2545 GMT becomes 2045 EST.
JediNight
2009-01-13, 05:06
Looks like you haven't seen Mars Daybreak...
C'mon you can't hate Mars Daybreak. Poipoider > All ;)
Honestly though, it never aspired to be epic. It's basically a light-hearted action comedy populated with a bunch of likeable fun characters. They could have done much worse (*cough* Tideline Blue I'm looking at you!)
So... It airs 25:30 right? So that would be 1:30 A.M. or 12:30 am on my timezone. It'll air in 3 hours.
I just watched the 2 movies today. So... Is it me or
Ichiko is yuri for Yumemi. I can't help but notice how she's all Yumemi this Yumemi that. Every scene I've seen her in seems to have something to do with Yumemi. When Takashi spoke with her regarding how she's so close to Yumemi, she blushed and all that. When Yumemi praised her cooking she blushed and went all happy.
Especially the scene at the amusement park. Where Ichiko was pictured with Yumemi with their backs to each other. I thought that Ichiko was a guy and Yumemi was his girlfriend lol. I'll post a picture describing the said scene.
Or is it because I just watch/read yuri too much?
here it is
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6919/vlcsnap916310fi3.png
I also noticed how Yumemi looked so womanly in that outfit. She was just too cute with it.
edit: added the image <3
kari-no-sugata
2009-01-13, 09:12
So... It airs 25:30 right? So that would be 1:30 A.M. or 12:30 am on my timezone. It'll air in 3 hours.
I just watched the 2 movies today. So... Is it me or
Ichiko is yuri for Yumemi. I can't help but notice how she's all Yumemi this Yumemi that. Every scene I've seen her in seems to have something to do with Yumemi. When Takashi spoke with her regarding how she's so close to Yumemi, she blushed and all that. When Yumemi praised her cooking she blushed and went all happy.
Especially the scene at the amusement park. Where Ichiko was pictured with Yumemi with their backs to each other. I thought that Ichiko was a guy and Yumemi was his girlfriend lol. I'll post a picture describing the said scene.
Or is it because I just watch/read yuri too much?
here it is
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6919/vlcsnap916310fi3.png
I also noticed how Yumemi looked so womanly in that outfit. She was just too cute with it.
I pretty much agree with everything you said :)
Though at times Ichiko felt a bit more like an old-school tomboy to me. She certainly is very protective of Yumemi. Just where Ichiko fits on the yuri scale is hard to say... and given that they're both in middle school, we probably shouldn't expect too much ;)
Also agree on Yumemi's outfit there. Very nice.
Going to be interesting to see how the TV story compares to the OVA. Will the first 2-4 TV eps effectively cover the two OVAs... or will it be rather different...?
Sorry, i think that conclusion is pretty much way out there :)
Ichiko has been Yumemi's friend from way back, and seems to hardly have any other ones besides Suzume. Yumemi though has obvious issues that dwell heavily on her mind and she is spacing out half the time. And this is something Ichiko can't help with at all, no matter how she might want the opposite. All she can do is stand by and watch Yumemi being absorbed in something she can't even see, nor hope to comprehend.
It is quite understandable that she would be 'Yumemi this, Yumemi that' - all she can do is stand on the sidelines and see her childhood friend being 'taken away' by the sky she can't see. And she can't do anything about it, which is why she screams in frustration when Yumemi asks of Ichiko to 'save her' over the phone - she can't, and she knows it. All she can do is stand as close as she can and keep Yumemi 'grounded' at best of her abilities - which isn't enough in the end. Factor in the guilt Ichiko holds for having hurt Yumemi in the past (she is the reason why Yumemi always carries an umbrella), and we have the reason why Ichiko is acting as overprotective as she is.
And besides, she complained about not having a boyfriend while Suzume has one :heh:
So ...yeah :)
I think it's going to be recap episodes for a while.
serenade_beta
2009-01-13, 16:21
(ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ?(ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ?(ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ?(ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ?
(ﾟДﾟ)............
Umm... What?
I don't even know how to put it...
First... It's confusing. Even harder to understand than the first episode of White Album. Yet at the same time, it almost feels like I have a clue to what is going on...
They are trying to explain everything to the viewer, but just a bunch of lines with no visuals and surpremely (ﾟДﾟ)ﾊｧ? terminology/setting, and none if it even got close to entering my head... A war between some people (Wakamoto vs. Lame-outfit Protagonist) and towers falling, meanwhile, the other set of characters in the real world are going around finding the lolicon boyfriend who wants to marry his 13 year-old girlfriend.
Then there was that random confession that she was going to marry her boyfriend from REALLY out of nowhere and timing.
The animation was very good, but the character designs feels like it came out of some hentai, the story and atmosphere feels really old...
Loli fanservice, itadakimashita~
OP/ED were good though. The OP is eufonius, but despite the action, it doesn't succeed in firing me up like Kurokami... ED was cute. Good enough.
The protagonist just looks lame... End of story there.
...Well... I really don't have the urge to look another episode, but it also gave the feeling that it could turn out awesome or something... or something...
I'll see how I feel next week to decide whether I will try another episode...
...(ﾟДﾟ| (ﾟД| (ﾟ| (| |
I just watched the OP on Nico Nico. The OP did not feel like it was animated by Kyoto Animation. I am not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing, but it did feel odd seeing their name appear on the credits. Regardless, the animation seemed fluid and I think it captured the look of the OVAs well. The song sounded better than I expected it would; it fit the OP animation well. My only compliant would be Yumemi and her friends' school uniform. It is ridiculously short and there is a lot of wind blowing. Ah well.
Now to wait for the actual episode.
Check TMoSH, first episode. Check very well :p
In any case their fan service tends to be a lot subtler, so I don't think there's much to worry about
kari-no-sugata
2009-01-13, 17:24
Given that I just re-watched the two OVAs last night, it was kinda weird watching "episode 1"... since it's more or less exactly the first half of the first OVA. It's almost like watching a "director's cut" version of it. It might look a lot better in HD though. They didn't change the style of animation at all. (I'm not complaining)
At the current pacing, looks very much like the two OVAs will be covered by the first 4 eps.
I watched it, and thanks god I already re-watched the OAVs before. People who never did may not get what's going on in the series. However, the retelling of the OAVs will be necessary for those who never watched Munto.
For those who have already watched the OAV, two or three more episodes will be necessary before jumping in the expansion. "Be patient" will be my motto regarding this series; but, the wait is still going to be tantalizing. It will not be the first time that KyoAni did it to us *cough*FMP*cough*Haruhi*cough*
This was ... quite disappointing really.
Story wise there were no changes - they shifted some stuff around (for better or worse) and expanded a bit of dialog in one or two instances, but largely this was almost a scene-by-scene adoption of the first half of the first OVA. Which also means They didn't improve on one aspect i was hoping they would - the scattered focus and jerky storytelling of the first OVA. The direction is still as all over the place as it was, and the focus is still jumpy as ever.
Character design wise ... they stayed quite faithful to the first OVA, though the quality is generally rather poor. At times i would say actually worse than the OVA, which is no praise, considering it came about 6 years ago and was their first work. I mean ...what the hell is this (http://a.imagehost.org/0341/1_5.jpg) ? Serenade is not all that kidding about there being hentai with better designs out there. Backgrounds and details remained largely unchanged.
I am also quite disappointed with Yumemi's seiyuu - she doesn't quite fit and sounds a bit too old for Yumemi, who is supposed to be 13 years old. Her voice also doesn't have the little bit of spunk Yumemi's original seiyuu didn't fail to convey. Not pleased here at all. Ichiko is pretty fine though, but Suzume sounds too young. There is an edge to the voice that almost makes her sound like a 6 year old. No complains on Munto.
BGM had to be the worst part of this though. I don't recall anything from the BGMs used in the OVAs, but i do recall none of them making me cringe ... what i can't really say about their choices here, especially the one at the end when they find Kazuya. I know KyoAni are not usually praised for their music choices, but this was ... neglectful.
So ... yea. Overall i am quite discouraged by what i saw here. Going by their pace i am assuming they will take up to 5 episodes to reach the point where the second OVA ended ... and considering they are going for an almost scene-by-scene adoption, i am almost tempted to say: go watch the 2 OVAs in place of the first 5 episodes. Chances are you will find the experience more satisfying.
That said, i suggest people stick with this even if they found the first episode quite chaotic and confusing. So was the first OVA, and if they follow the OVA structure things should improve considerably once they get to the second OVA material (which will likely be starting episode 3, and some things are likely to be made much more clear). The story turns out fine ... my biggest disappointment here are production values, which are nothing to write home about.
Skyfall, wow, this is awful. So, I'm really disappointed then. Moreover, they can't even redraw it. What a shame, KyoAni.
OVA's are not so good, btw. Maybe, the second OVA is not so bad, but the first one is really naive and plain.
I thought it wasn't suppose to be out for another two or so hours
Yeah... this seriously looks like they just took the OVA footage, added in a couple extra scenes and lines, moved the hemlines up a foot, shuffled the order of a couple scenes, and called it a day. I wouldn't even call this a remake so much as a rebroadcast so far...
Kaoru Chujo
2009-01-13, 20:10
Maybe I won't bother to watch the OVA, if this is the same, lol. In any case, I'm more positive than others, as usual. Although this isn't a kind of story that generally hooks me, so we'll see how it goes.
I loved the look, myself, both the character design and the backgrounds and effects. The line of those skirts is amazing. And Munto looks great, to me. The whole thing is sufficiently otherworldly. Liked the BGM, too. And the OP by eufonius, and especially the ED by Ceui.
The story went way over my head, without subs, but I did get the essentials. I don't mind the dancing back and forth over the story. I liked feeling the contrast between Yumemi's and Munto's worlds.
I liked the VA for Yumemi (Aizawa Mai, Ayano in Lucky Star). But I'm afraid Konno Hiromi just doesn't do it for me as Suzume. She also doesn't do it as Maria in Skip Beat. Her live "Akira" in Lucky Star was good, but....
I love the nickname "Yumemi" -- which sounds like "dream-see."
Yumemi always reminds me Planetarian. Funny enough, but Yumemi in Munto looks like Misuzu from Air.
Well... I am also disappointed with episode one. I thought the OVAs were going to be reanimated, but I suppose I was expecting too much. I really do not see why they left the old animation considering how much it will contrast with the newer animation (if the OP is an indicator of what we can expect). Since I already saw the OVAs, this episode was boring to me. Perhaps I will skip the recap episodes until new material is shown. Also, the website has been updated with a link to the CD single of the OP: http://www.munto.com/cd.html#op
http://a.imagehost.org/0802/op_cd.jpg
I personally like Yumemi's outfit here.
Also, this new page appeared:http://www.munto.com/sp.html#daihon
I believe they are offering autographs from the cast through some sort of lottery, but I think I misinterpreted what was said.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-01-13, 23:06
Wow. I have no desire to watch this now.
Lucky Star syndrome? Not all that good for the first several episodes and then hits you like a brick? Speculations?
Haohmaru
2009-01-13, 23:50
Lets hope by then this'll be more than just a copy of the original. I really hope the art improves as well. There's hardly any detail in the characters.
Edgewalker
2009-01-14, 01:41
From what I could tell 80% of this ep's animation was ripped straight from the OVA. It could just be because I saw a low-end raw and couldn't tell enough to see if they actually re-drew it or not. Seems this unfortunately wont be worth watching for those of us who have already seen it for the first 4~6 episodes :P
Lets hope by then this'll be more than just a copy of the original. I really hope the art improves as well. There's hardly any detail in the characters.
I doubt the art will improve. The reason they are re-using the OVA scenes is most likely because they plan to keep to Munto's original style AKA good animation, but simple art...and as such saw no reason to remake the OVA.
W-General
2009-01-14, 01:57
Eh, let's see.
I have not seen the OVA. I have it with me....so I will proceed to take a look at it and compare the two.
Just finished watching the first episode. Story is old school, nothing special. Too early to tell. Animation is good KyoAni quality - character design is simple but lots of detail in the background the the animation flows fluidly.
I am going to expect probably the first 3-4 episodes to be just the OVA improved (with additional details, more music, some scenes redrawn) before they launch into new stuff.
To me, KyoAni is god, so I have high hopes for this.
The only thing that bothered me was Yumemi's voice. Sounds way too mature.
First Munto ep was really average and wasn't worth watching again so seeing we got the exact same thing was quite a disappointment. I thought they would expand upon the events as well as reanimate it but nope... we just got an additional scene or two (I think) plus some editing and they slapped an OP and ED on it... /facepalm.
Speaking of that op/ed they are probably the best op/ed combination of the season along with Rideback for me... and also the highlight of the ep. Eufonuis don't disappoint! I still had the second half of Munto 2 to watch but I guess there's no point now, at least the first half of Munto 2 will be worth watching again.
Character design wise ... they stayed quite faithful to the first OVA, though the quality is generally rather poor. At times i would say actually worse than the OVA, which is no praise, considering it came about 6 years ago and was their first work. I mean ...what the hell is this (http://a.imagehost.org/0341/1_5.jpg) ? Serenade is not all that kidding about there being hentai with better designs out there. Backgrounds and details remained largely unchanged.
Of course it stayed faithful to the first OVA, the majority of what was in episode 1 IS FROM THE FIRST OVA. (couldn't they at least redo that horrible cg scene of Yumemi @ around the 10 min mark, yay for crappy cg cars next ep?) So I really don't know where the "It's not as good as the OVA" attitude is coming from Skyfall, you're lost me with that :heh:
Although the character design for the first episode is as they say the same as the OVA. But, if the OP and ED is to any indication, it'll improve.
The background is actually good of what little new footage they've shown. (Think of the OP song and OP introduction and ED.)
By 2004 standards... the animation is actually excellent.(And it is also better than most anime showing right now.) But, I wont judge the animation as a whole until they get back to the real storyline(not the OVA ones)
I think those who're disappointed were expecting CLANNAD like animation. But if you forget that Kyoani made this, the animation is actually quite good.
But I agree with Yumemi's VA, she sounds too mature for her age.
OVA 1 should be done by next episode. Episode 3 should be the start of OVA 2 preview.
Edit: The stream doesn't do justice to the ED, I want to see it in HD just to see those beautiful images. any links?
kimchipride
2009-01-14, 03:05
Indeed, what is wrong with her legs...
Kaioshin Sama
2009-01-14, 03:26
So it's an adapation of Kyoani's own work at this point if I'm to correctly interpret the discourse? Isn't that kind of meta in a way? :confused:
Lucky Star syndrome? Not all that good for the first several episodes and then hits you like a brick? Speculations?
Only if you're assuming that the person in question felt that the first half handful of those episodes weren't among the best the series had to offer, which is what I happen to have felt in contrast to the majority who prefered the ultra otaku friendly second half. If you view it in that context then it's possible this series might not take off. I mean Who is to say that the readaptation of the OVA's isn't going to be the best of what this particular series has to offer? We'll have to wait and see.
Edgewalker
2009-01-14, 03:34
Eh, let's see.
I am going to expect probably the first 3-4 episodes to be just the OVA improved
No, what you are seeing is not the OVA improved. What you are seeing IS the OVA. They ripped a few scenes out to fit it to the timeslot and added some, but its basically the first half of OVA 1.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-01-14, 03:42
No, what you are seeing is not the OVA improved. What you are seeing IS the OVA. They ripped a few scenes out to fit it to the timeslot and added some, but its basically the first half of OVA 1.
So it's like what they did with the Gundam Movies only in reverse then?
To be pedantic, it ends at almost exactly 20 minutes into the first OVA, which is a shade under 55 minutes long (53 if you remove the ED, title card, and epilepsy warning). They're nowhere near on pace to finish the first OVA next week unless they cut about half of what's left.
Sai Feng
2009-01-14, 05:39
Wow, I see that a majority of the cast are from Ga-rei working together again. Of course most of them voiced in previous KyoAni series (Lucky Star) together before Ga-rei. O_O
Of course it stayed faithful to the first OVA, the majority of what was in episode 1 IS FROM THE FIRST OVA. (couldn't they at least redo that horrible cg scene of Yumemi @ around the 10 min mark, yay for crappy cg cars next ep?) So I really don't know where the "It's not as good as the OVA" attitude is coming from Skyfall, you're lost me with that :heh:
It must be because i had quite the LQ RAW, and got mixed up because of that :) And yes indeed - the majority of this episode is ripped straight from the OVA. They added a brief minimum of extra shots here and there (most notably Yumemi 'floating' after taking a jump from her doorstep at start), and slightly improved some of the flashier visual effects and worked minimally on background details, and expanded the character dialogues a bit (Munto/Gus | Ryueri / that annoying brat) but largely this was coming straight from the 1st OVA indeed.
.. Which makes me wonder, are they going to reuse animation from second OVA as well when we get to that part ? That would be a shift in designs ... followed by a shift again soon, when they move past OVA material :heh:
I didn't think that Yumemi sounded more mature for her age. People who've been thru crap don't sound like their peers anyways.
Studios reusing previous materials for their remakes isn't new. EVA did it.
I haven't rewatched the OVAs but it seems that this episode was moving pretty fast.
To be pedantic, it ends at almost exactly 20 minutes into the first OVA, which is a shade under 55 minutes long (53 if you remove the ED, title card, and epilepsy warning). They're nowhere near on pace to finish the first OVA next week unless they cut about half of what's left.
The could just take 10min out of the first and 10min out of the seccond, problem solved.
I didn't think that Yumemi sounded more mature for her age. People who've been thru crap don't sound like their peers anyways.
I will have to disagree here. I am not referring to the lines she says, but exactly the way her voice sounds, which is too old for a 13 year old, and this has little to do with 'crap she has been through' (Which, up to this point, hasn't been anything excessive either). Suzume has the opposite problem, by sounding too young.
Studios reusing previous materials for their remakes isn't new. EVA did it.
I am not sure i get what you are trying to imply with this :)
I think it'll end at episode 2. OVA I 2nd half have some long emotional scenes which I bet they would just let Yumemi narrate. It's OVA 2 we should be worrying about. It has some important scenes that would let you understand the decisions Yumemi makes. OVA 2 is heavy on character development.
edit: Munto is 24 episode tv series right ? or is it only 13?
I don't know how they will stretch it that long if its 24 episodes. OVA 2 already reached its climax.
Especially that KyoAni already revealed one by one the 7 heaven leaders are dying/killing themselves. And Gntarl being already dead(assuming he died at that explosion). I don't thing there is enough material to get it through 24 episodes.
Just watched episode 1. Makes me wanna watch the OVAs now. The episode is full of suspense, and I really like the slice-of-life feel of Yumemi's side of the story.
and the ED's beautiful.
First Munto ep was really average and wasn't worth watching again so seeing we got the exact same thing was quite a disappointment. I thought they would expand upon the events as well as reanimate it but nope... we just got an additional scene or two (I think) plus some editing and they slapped an OP and ED on it... /facepalm.I thought people were aware of the situation long before it aired. To be exact, I knew this since November 6. I guess word spreads rather slowly.
Studios reusing previous materials for their remakes isn't new. EVA did it.
If you mean the new movie Rebuild of Evangelion, even if it looked like they reused the previous materials, in fact they redrew all of them. But this is ripped, right?
The scene at the end of the ending song made me excited because...
it seems like they will show Yumemi in Munto's world~ And I really really wanted to see that when I saw the OVAs. *Was disappointed when it ended just when everything begun T^T*
That said, I wasn't disappointed that the first ep was basically a recap of the ova... because I was actually worrying that they will spend too much time to retell the events and have no time to show what I wanted to see...or worse, the whole TV series being a retelling of the two OVAs. So now, I know that the 'recap/retell' will be over pretty soon at this pace...yay! XD
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-14, 12:33
I'm a sucker for this type of anime. I'm also a KyoAni fangirl. I'm definately biased. I liked the episode.
The episode is just a director cut of the OVA like everyone said. I thought the OVA was good , so this episode was good too. I was hoping that they would reanimate/redraw the whole thing, but I guess even KyoAni can't push that budget. I didn't really find the orginal OVA confusing, the story was fairly simple.
For the scenes that was taken straight away from the OVA, they removed the blur filter that blends the colour together. So I guess it'll look better with the new animation.
The opening and ending didn't disapoint me. The animation was nice, the song was nice, but like always, KyoAni is never creative with opening/ending without Kannagi's director. The first frame that Yumemi appears in the opening, she's definately is wearing the Sailor Moon outfit. I do love the last frame of the ending, it just looks beautiful with only Yumemi looking back, but Munto walking forward.
Sailor Yumemi~~
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8016/vlcsnap339618rv6.th.png (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap339618rv6.png)
Edgewalker
2009-01-14, 16:31
I wonder if anyone will even bother to fansub these first few episodes. If I was a fansubber I would just start at whatever episode the new content starts and tell everyone to go re-watch the OVA's if they want to know what happened beforehand. :P
erm, 1s time watch this Munto, never watch the OVA before, for me it was not bad, quite interesting.
Edgewalker
2009-01-15, 14:48
Well, of course its good. The OVA was good, and this is the OVA.
Its just disappointing to us who have already seen the OVA. Most of us were hoping the retell would be re-animated with the new character designs ...instead we got what has already been taking up space on our shelves for 5 years. To us its like the air date has been pushed back 5 weeks since thats basically how long it will take to get to new content. :P
Well, of course its good. The OVA was good, and this is the OVA.
Its just disappointing to us who have already seen the OVA. Most of us were hoping the retell would be re-animated with the new character designs ...instead we got what has already been taking up space on our shelves for 5 years. To us its like the air date has been pushed back 5 weeks since thats basically how long it will take to get to new content. :P
I guess I'll have to wait until the fifth episode before watching this.
So basically the first ep was just an exact re-airing of OVA footage? No re-animation or slight edits here and there?
There's some new scenes in. It's just prob people were expecting Clannad and got Munto instead.
I always say "That's what the DVD is for." They'll prob spruce it up for the DVD release like they did for Haruhi.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-01-15, 23:59
Haruhi really didn't need sprucing up, though. It did get it, mostly in the form of a few animation mistake fixes, but it really didn't require any sort of upgrades.
This, however...
So did they even bother to reanimate it atleast or was it just entirely reused? =/
Artefact made a comparison between the OVA and the TV on his Blog (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/16/new-munto-tv-vs-ova-original-comparison/).
So did they even bother to reanimate it atleast or was it just entirely reused? =/
Take the first half (roughly) of first OVA. Copy/Pasta it. Move one event from start of the ep to middle. Add extremely slight alterations to dialog in 2 conversations. Add slight improvements to background elements. Add one new scene that lasted about 7 seconds or so. And voila.
So basically if you had watched the OVA, this was almost exactly the same thing. One noticeable improvement is the color scheme though - the first OVA had rather washy colors all around, and they have improved that to the level we got in the second OVA (which is nothing to complain about). But overall, if they follow the same pattern as seen in ep1, (And there is no reason to believe otherwise), you wouldn't be missing anything if you had watched the OVAs and decided to skip first 5 episodes (which is my estimate on the time it will take to cover the OVA material). On the upside of watching, it will give time to get accustomed to the new seiyuus, and one doesn't lose anything by watching it anyway, so .. :)
Ahh, new seiyuu. I had no idea it was the same as the OVA when I watched the first ep (http://booksanime.today.com/2009/01/15/munto-1-elves-loli-getting-married-aka-sora-wo-miageru-shoujo-no-hitomi-utsuru-sekai/)...nonetheless, will keep watching to see how it turns out.
germanturkey
2009-01-18, 02:22
FYI, its subbed, so it can be moved.
i thought the animation was definitely subpar for a kyoani show. the faces were bland and details lacking. the reflections after the rain was amazing though. The music was great, especially the song that played during the first pillar fall and the ED. characters are interesting, but Munto screamed flaming homosexual the first time i saw him. I like the Army commander... hehehheh
overall though: they put off Haruhi 2 or FMP4 for this!?
supuhaznpbrein
2009-01-18, 02:40
FYI, its subbed, so it can be moved.
i thought the animation was definitely subpar for a kyoani show. the faces were bland and details lacking. the reflections after the rain was amazing though. The music was great, especially the song that played during the first pillar fall and the ED. characters are interesting, but Munto screamed flaming homosexual the first time i saw him. I like the Army commander... hehehheh
overall though: they put off Haruhi 2 or FMP4 for this!?
Well since the original OVA was done in 2003, of course the animation is lacking when compared to their more recent work. Wait 4-5 more episodes for original material, and you will see a jump in the animation quality. For now, just enjoy the recap in glorious 16:9.
Edgewalker
2009-01-18, 02:46
I think you are confusing art quality with animation quality. Its the art in Munto thats bland and outdated, but the actual animation ( IE flow from one frame to the next ) is still very good by today's standards.
justinstrife
2009-01-18, 02:54
Lol. :heh:
At this rate, Obama is gonna get re-elected before Haruhi 2 actually airs. :p
God I hope not...
The Munto OVA was interesting. This is good news for sure. Can't wait to watch the first episode.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-01-18, 04:58
Got my first impression for this up. (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/munto-tv-aka-sora-o-miageru-shojo-no-hitomi-ni-utsuru-sekai-holy-long-title-batman-first-impression/) I guess in some ways there was no real way of avoiding this outcome at this stage was there? :(
I think you are confusing art quality with animation quality. Its the art in Munto thats bland and outdated, but the actual animation ( IE flow from one frame to the next ) is still very good by today's standards.
I wouldn't say it was very good by today's standards but it's better than what some people are saying but it is OVA quality after all. From what I saw of the first 20 minutes of Munto 2 (was going to watch the rest before the fansub came out... no point now..) is much better looking and those episodes based on it should be the best animated of the series.
I wouldn't say it was very good by today's standards but it's better than what some people are saying but it is OVA quality after all. From what I saw of the first 20 minutes of Munto 2 (was going to watch the rest before the fansub came out... no point now..) is much better looking and those episodes based on it should be the best animated of the series.
I'm confused..Munto 2 in the OVA? Isn't Munto TV's ep 2 showing on the 21st, or was there an early one? ._.
FireChick
2009-01-18, 07:19
I'm downloading the first episode right now, and I'll watch the original OVA before it so I can compare the two. But I don't think I'll hate the TV series. I don't necessarily care about new voices or complete changes in...everything. I just watch my favorite shows naturally without complaint.
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-18, 08:50
I seen the original OVA like two months ago, and I already forgot what the characters say. :heh:
I think the episode is an improvement to the OVA, with slightly better explanation on what's going on. They did expanded the story slightly with the seiyuus explaining more things with the same animation footage.
I thought the animation compared to today standard is still very good. Since it is made a few years ago, KyoAni probally haven't made this on very high resolution (Like AIR was made in 720, so the blu-ray wasn't 1080), the lines light slightly too thick. But in terms of details, I think it's still very good in today's standard, but this was an OVA.
Lol at the preview. 'Munto this is a train'
I agree with Kaioshin Sama, at the same time, I was bored out of my mind and found this really interesting. There's alot of interesting concepts and ideas, but it's not slotted together very well. Similar to White Album, I was bored from it, but also found it interesting, but I still prefer Munto because I haven't seen a fantasy anime in a while. I hope it improves with the episodes after the recap.
Ahaha, I remember going, 'O.o' at the Munto this is a train bit. XD Hmm I found White Album more boring, but I've only seen one ep of either, hard to say really judge =)
germanturkey
2009-01-18, 12:45
so the ep i watched was made in 2003? i'm confused XD
The colors and design look like an ancient anime .
Well , don't like Munto's suit , he's like a pedo ...
Dunno if i will follow this anime !
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-18, 13:09
so the ep i watched was made in 2003? i'm confused XD
95% of the animation you seen in episode 1 of 'Sora wa miageru...' was made in 2003. Munto's first OVA was made in 2003, the episode just copy and pasted the OVA into an episodic format. They also changed the aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16:9
If I saw the OVA back at 2003, I would have been so AMAZED by the animation. Maybe even more then AIR amazed me back when it was airing.
I wouldn't say it was very good by today's standards but it's better than what some people are saying but it is OVA quality after all. From what I saw of the first 20 minutes of Munto 2 (was going to watch the rest before the fansub came out... no point now..) is much better looking and those episodes based on it should be the best animated of the series.
I'm confused..Munto 2 in the OVA? Isn't Munto TV's ep 2 showing on the 21st, or was there an early one? ._.
Munto had two (2) OVA releases. So what Westlo was talking about was not Sora o Miageru Shoujo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai (damn...) episode 2, but the second OVA of Munto.
On to the episode.
I liked it. And to all of you who compared it to White Album; coincidentally I watched the first episode of White Album before Munto. I found both interesting, but not captivating (much like my first impression on the first episode of Gurren Lagann). :topicoff: I'd also agree with Kaoshin_Sama - Just when I was finally absorbing the information, they changed scenes. Luckily, I have already seen it before, so I understood the story. However, I think first-time viewers would be confused and baffled. The ending was particularily jarring for me. Yes, it was intentionally made to be a cliff-hanger... but it is really frustrating when I have been constantly bombarded with sudden scene shifts.
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While watching episode one, I noticed some things different than from the OVA. Most of it was discussed here.
Bolded for major changes
Different voice actors/actresses (obviously)
Different scene direction
(Slightly) different dialogue
Inclusion of more prominent background music
Redrawing of some objects, scenes
Inclusion of new material
(Slightly) remade scenes
Inclusion of Opening and Ending themes
As well, I did a side-by-side comparison of Sora o.... and Munto, and found that:
While some dialogue was changed, they still retained the same meaning. Also of note, I found the transitions of the dialogue in the remake to be more natural.
Some scenes were different - in the OVA, when Yumemi and friends were walking to school, we are actually shown that Yumemi sees Munto descending to Earth. In the remake, we do not. This makes sense as we have not been introduced to him yet, unlike in the OVA where he was one of the first introduced. I actually the scene in the remake more; it gives us the same feeling as Ichiko and Suzume - "What wrong?" with her?
Seiyuu:
Yumemi
I found Yumemi's seiyuu in the original to be much more fitting. Haruna Mima conveyed Yumemi's snarkiness and attitude really well. Her younger sounding voice is also a plus point. Like what other members have said, she sounds too mature and lady-like in the remake.
For those who would like a comparison between voices but who have no access to the OVA, think of it like this.
[Scene where Yumemi and family are at the dinner table. Where Yumemi is telling her brother to "Shut up"]
Original VA
Had a tone of voice that can be described as 'indifferent' and snarky.
Sounds somewhat like Maka Albarn (Soul Eater).
New VA
Had a tone of voice that can be described as serene. Gentle yet playful, kind yet assertive.
Munto
Daisuke Ono fits... slightly. In my opinion, I find that his voice would be far more suited to Kazuya. Daisuke's 'noble', young, bishounen, and somewhat serene voice just does not fit 'Munto-sama', who is slightly arrogant.
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All in all, I am interested in watching this series. I have seen the first OVA yet not the second, so I am seeing how that will turn out.
Something to think about:
When KyoAni finishes recapping the events from the OVAs, will they retain the same style, or use a more updated one? That was a very bold move reusing the animation footage, Kyoto Animation.
I don't understand why are you comparing with white album omg ? its not the same anime type ...
Something to think about:
When KyoAni finishes recapping the events from the OVAs, will they retain the same style, or use a more updated one? That was a very bold move reusing the animation footage, Kyoto Animation.
They will move on to the new character designs shown on their site. Time shift in the anime will likely be the justification for that.
Tiberium Wolf
2009-01-18, 14:08
What new char designs? Link pls
musume_no_hoshi
2009-01-18, 14:11
I don't understand why are you comparing with white album omg ? its not the same anime type ...
I personally compared the two because with both shows, I was bored out of my mind while watching it, yet I still wasn't doodling or multitasking, I concentrated on the show, I wanted to know what happens next. They're both interesting yet boring at the same time, which I found quite weird that I wasn't the only one that felt this way. Both shows tries really hard with symbolism and personalised direction, but some how they all fail and make the show fall apart. Also, both shows got good opening and ending songs :p
So techically, we're not comparing the two shows because of the story or characters. They're comparable because the feeling they give to the audience
so the ep i watched was made in 2003? i'm confused XD
95% of the animation you seen in episode 1 of 'Sora wa miageru...' was made in 2003. Munto's first OVA was made in 2003, the episode just copy and pasted the OVA into an episodic format. They also changed the aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16:9
If I saw the OVA back at 2003, I would have been so AMAZED by the animation. Maybe even more then AIR amazed me back when it was airing.
Color pallet also changed. New scene added. Not a simple copy and paste.
I think you are confusing art quality with animation quality. Its the art in Munto thats bland and outdated, but the actual animation ( IE flow from one frame to the next ) is still very good by today's standards.
I totally agree.
What new char designs? Link pls
How about simply watching the Opening ? :heh:
What new char designs? Link pls
How about simply watching the Opening ? :heh:
Don't forget the ED. I like ED > OP.
Tiberium Wolf
2009-01-18, 15:59
How about simply watching the Opening ? :heh:
Strange... how did I miss it? :eyebrow:
So It seems like they are just recreating the OVAs to a longer series? Might not be so bad. It does seem like it's taking it's time to pick up on the story, but it seems like it COuLD be very good. I never saw the original OVAs.
It doesn't seem like this is going to interfere with KyoAni's other work though, so I wouldn't worry about Haruhi and such. Considering this is airing concurrently with Clannad ~after Story~.
IT seems to me like Kyoani has so much money now, they decided to go ahead and do something for themselves.
Anyways, the music, characters, and story all seem really interesting and good. Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing more of this.
Well Kadokawa is involved in this too. That's prob where the extra money is coming from.
I don't understand why are you comparing with white album omg ? its not the same anime type ...
Have you heard of the category called ... BORING ;)
SkoolRumble4Ya
2009-01-18, 18:01
I was hoping this show to be good but it's kind of boring in the first episode but I can't judge yet until I see some more episodes. I like the ending theme though.
ZODDGUTS
2009-01-18, 18:35
Found the first episode to be good not boring at all, the action scenes were very well animated. :)
Edgewalker
2009-01-18, 19:34
FYI to all those who are watching munto for the first time and are confused by the first ep, the second half of the first OVA ( AKA what will be ep 2 ) makes a lot more sense.
Well you can't expect to understand everything in a first ep especially when you're plunged into the middle of an ongoing war. :heh:
Hmm they explained more than they did for Koukaku no Regios! XD I thought there was a fair bit of explanation...especially that old man going on and on. I translated that bit from the subs I watched,and came up with a chunk of paragraph that sounded like it came out from some history book. XD
Un1234l: I get it now, was thrown off by the comment about subs. :) Nice analysis, by the way! I can't really tell how Daisuke Ono will work out as Munto, but I -am- liking Yumemi's seiyuu.
So It seems like they are just recreating the OVAs to a longer series? Might not be so bad. It does seem like it's taking it's time to pick up on the story, but it seems like it COuLD be very good. I never saw the original OVAs.
No no...
For those who haven't watched the OVA
The first few episodes are simply a recap of the first 2 OVA. They are recapping it for those who never saw the OVA. The 2nd OVA ended in a cliffhanger.
And for those who says its simply boring and haven't watched the OVA, that is quite normal. First half of the OVA was a bit boring, it picked up on the 2nd half. But overall the 1st OVA is a bit boring. The first OVA also had garnered low reviews.
Its the 2nd OVA which actually caught the eyes of the reviewers. The pacing, animation improved. Basically it gets boring for a few episodes, but the pace will go faster as episodes go by.
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I actually like the art. Its pleasing to the eyes. The colors aren't too strong. It reminds me of watercolors.
p.s. Doesn't Yumemi look like a woman when she wears those earrings? Every time they show those, I always think that she's more beautiful than cute.
So every time she speaks with those earrings on the screen. I can't help but feel the voice fit very well.
I haven't watched the OVA but I know the plot, so it's ok watching 1st episode and not judget it yet, knowing they're scenes from the OVA.
It's when the series picks up on its own from the OVA that would tell how good the anime is.
So far, I like the story and the characters (except for Munto's outfit).
Sorrow-K
2009-01-19, 07:02
Yeah, I agree with most that this material works better as an OVA than a TV series. I always kinda saw Munto as an exercise in style. It was an experiment in animation that was cutting edge for its time. The OVAs were limited in time, and to the point, but they were always more about atmosphere and aesthetics than they were about plot, which, as we were reminded in this episode, was convoluted to say the least. Which is why the open-ish endings of both the original OVAs worked; they didn't matter all that much, compared to the experience. The calls for sequels for Munto always kinda baffled me...
This doesn't look as good as the OVAs (IMO, KyoAni's animation has been on the slide since Clannad... maybe it's a case of us being so used to them setting the bar in animation that, now that they're not in the top tier anymore, their flaws are becoming more apparent, but I genuinely think that their works post-Lucky Star lack the same polish as their works pre-Lucky Star). It's not as atmospheric as the OVAs (and a week's break every 25 minutes doesn't exactly help things). The plot's just as convoluted, but the expectation is that it has to be more expansive now that it's been given however many episodes. It'll definitely need to rely on its characters to work, since they are a relative strong point for this series, but it'll be four or five episodes before we find out anything new about them. I'm not prepared to make a call on this anime. It doesn't have the same potential as some other shows airing this season, but I may as well flip a coin if I wanted to make a prediction if this is going to be good or not. The indications both ways are pretty much equal.
This doesn't look as good as the OVAs (IMO, KyoAni's animation has been on the slide since Clannad... maybe it's a case of us being so used to them setting the bar in animation that, now that they're not in the top tier anymore, their flaws are becoming more apparent, but I genuinely think that their works post-Lucky Star lack the same polish as their works pre-Lucky Star).
Though I agree with everything you said in the brackets.. how isn't this as good as the OVAs.. when it's the exact same footage with slight improvements here and there? Maybe you're thinking of Munto 2 which looked a lot better than Munto 1...
FireChick
2009-01-19, 15:56
I watched the TV first episode, and I have to say, I really liked it! The quality was better, the voices were good, the OP/ED were just beautiful, and...well, it was good! I noticed some differences between this and the original OVA, which I did see. There's some new footage, some scenes were cut, 90% of the dialogue was the same, and the music is different too. But I wonder...why is it that they don't make a completely new episode with the new art? Not that I don't like the old art, I'm just wondering. Yumemi and Suzume's voices were cute! Toche sounds a WHOLE lot better than in the OVA. I think I'll watch this!:D:)
kimchipride
2009-01-19, 23:54
Why are some of you guys criticizing the art quality? This stuff is 6 years old so you can't compare this to the recent OVAs like Lucky Star. Wait for 3 or 4 more eps where the OVA content will be finished.
SnackPacs
2009-01-20, 00:13
...Gotta be honest, as one who did not know they were cutting the OVA's for the first 4 tv episodes...
I enjoyed it. I can handle pacing like this and the sudden scene transitions. I find it has a decent bit of immersion to it.
Plus, that comment about Yumemi having that beauty to her with the earrings on, I agree entirely. It gives her a mature look and overall, I really just like the characters, granted I know little about them, a lot.
So, I look forward to all of this coming to fruition in the 5th episode. I have... a very good feel about this and maybe it's just the intro doing it, but I'm... looking forward to future episodes, really.
Sure KyoAni's just done adaptations for now, but it'll help, won't it?
cloudninja
2009-01-20, 01:54
I never saw the OVAs so I had no preconceived expectations about the tv series and can't be as disappointed as other people about the OVA footage being re-used for the initial episodes. It does sound cheap for them to do so, they're probably under pressure to cut costs because of economic conditions.
I thought the first episode was above average. For me it was hard to tell how good it's going to be, there were times I felt that I was watching a somewhat generic show and other parts where I felt like it could lead to something special. It's enough to keep me interested in seeing how things turn out. The characters do seem to look a bit more mature in the OP.
At first, I was a bit 'meh' about the new animation and music of the OP and Ed.
And now....I'm addicted to it *_* I can't stop watching them over and over and liking it more and more.... XD
I agree with cloudninja about how having no preconceived ideas from the OVA makes me not disappointed. XD But it seems I should have paid more attention to the OP/ED....oopsies.
SuperKnuckles
2009-01-20, 08:30
Eh, comparing OVAs to a TV series is silly. Obvious gaps in pacing and budget. That said, the TV show still looked pretty beautiful to me. No major mishaps of any type and everything looks crisp. I honestly don't think the studio has had any drops in quality, ever. They're just consistent as I see it, even if that means it's usually something we may expect out of them. If it's an anime that can have eyepopping visuals from time to time, it's usually Sunrise (when they pump HUGE budgets into a show), Gonzo (like if they get truly serious like with Afro Samurai) and of course, Madhouse. But for everyday shows, KyoAni is pretty damn good IMO. The first ep of Munto TV didn't disappoint as far as the adaptation aspect goes.
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