Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 06 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Farplaner]

Just finished watching the episode.

Great adaptation. Everything was done perfectly. They even used the festival they mentioned last episode to add in the scene in Tomoyo's route as the finale. Loved it!

This was one of my favorite routes in the game, and I was glad they made it this well.

[Klashikari]

Certainly used long and middle terms details for the cohesion of the story (the festival point was 2 birds with one stone, nice move). Very good adaptation again, and I was moved by the mood a bit better than in the game, so that was surprising.

Episode 6: Screencaps, comments, etc (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/clannad-after-story-episode-6/)

Oh yeah, this must be SEEN!

ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!!

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Yes, it is "her"! I'm not so good about "that", but it is really cute here (grumble, I smell lots of doujin :heh:)

[GameMaster0000]

Certainly used long and middle terms details for the cohesion of the story. Very good adaptation again, and I was moved by the mood a bit better than in the game, so that was surprising.

Oh yeah, this must be SEEN!

ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!!

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Yes, it is "her"! I'm not so good about "that", but it is really cute here (grumble, I smell lots of doujin :heh:)

This is trappppppppppppppp

And what program you use to see online? Quality is look quite good.

[Klashikari]

Usual japanese image boards, none of these were capped by me. Well, obviously, no more details about that.

[Proto]

Either this was an excellent adaptation of Misae's ending by Kyoto Animation or I just cry at everything recently, but either way I was pretty moved. Another nice ending to CLANNAD mini arcs.

[Aizu]

Yes, it is "her"
Ehm... can't remember this person in the game. Well, it really reminds someone, of course, but her eyes are different color. Hmm ?

And the next question - visual style sucks, as based on the preview or not ?

[Klashikari]

I used the quotes and I think "trap" is enough to tell who it is :heh::heh::heh:

As for the preview, the design is normal, nothing to complain or praise about (on par with the second episode, as far as I can see).

[Farplaner]

Ehm... can't remember this person in the game.

The scene was in the game. Let's just say Misae's friends had a bit of fun when this happened ;)

[Shinigami_Mello]

Yes!
They kept that scence in! Aw, she looks so adorable.
Hehe, this'll be fun indeed.

[Beo]

And this is a big spoiler on who that "cute" girl is

If you watch you can see how it is.

Its a boy...
Its a girl...
No - Its a CAT!
-------
Shades of Kanon

When he is visiting at the house with the two girls, in the flash back he remembers the situation of him being on the lap.

[Mecha_Trueno]

oh wow, from the conversation in ep1 we know that ibuki-sensei, yoshino yuusuke and misae all knew each other in highschool. but i had NO IDEA she was already a sensei when yuusuke was still a student:twitch:...
... http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif@yuusuke for successfully going through onegai teacher route:bow:

well, putting that aside, it was a short arc but a nice one and worked. enjoyable episode

[blitz1/2]

oh wow, from the conversation in ep1 we know that ibuki-sensei, yoshino yuusuke and misae all knew each other in highschool. but i had NO IDEA she was already a sensei when yuusuke was still a student:twitch:...
... http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif@yuusuke for successfully going through onegai teacher route:bow:

well, putting that aside, it was a short arc but a nice one and worked. enjoyable episode

yea, that's what I have been thinking. :twitch: (ONEGAI SENSEI!)

[Leo_Otaku]

Almost perfect I cried too just like in the game.

I wanted to murder my player it was lagging for some reason gawd my computer sucks ASS *coughs that was OT >.> but that ruined the flow of it for me >.< laggy piece of shit....

Is it just me or was Ibuki a teacher back then at that time? I thought she was a student too...or maybe I forgot....

Anyway great adaption from the game ^-^ My next favorite Yukine ^-^

Shima was too adorable

I hope Yuusuke's music will sound better for his route XD Man...They should make an epic single release

[Fynal_Fyre]

A short but good arc, pains me it was so brief though...Misae deserves more screentime.

Also, you can't help but feel for Shima.

[Mecha_Trueno]

yea, that's what I have been thinking. :twitch: (ONEGAI SENSEI!)thats like my all time dream fantasy, ending up with a hot sensei... well WAS my ultimate fantasy. im like approaching 25 now, so that wish is out of the question.

honestly, i really was under the impression that misae, yuusuke and ibuki were just all in the same year.

[Shiroth]

Easily the best arc i've seen from CLANNAD. Well that was beautiful. It was a perfect follow-up to episode 05, making this easily one of my favorite arcs from CLANNAD. I guess the fact that it's something you'd expect from Key is why i love it so much, especially when there's not really a story like this in CLANNAD. It just reminds me how much i love them.

Shima trap (:wub:), Yoshino (amazing scene) and Kouko appearing, plus a very adorable Misae were wonderful parts of this episode. Together with the adorable confession and beautiful ending --- it was just all splendid.

[Ruhisu]

Ok. I'm after episode 06.
One of the best arcs I've ever seen, too bad that it has ended so fast since I wish to see some more about Misae-san.
Well once again Key stolen my heart. Even when they are giving us arc after arc it always ends with tears and feelings about how much I love Key.
There were a scenes in the episode when I was crying because of laugh. Shima trap and Yoshino guitar scene were awesome.

Perfect episode!!

[Yushi]

Holy cow I'm not even a fan of Misae (more neutral) and even I teared up at the ending! That was...so beautiful. A bittersweet ending that's more sweet than bitter T_T

[MeoTwister5]

Wow... just wow....

I can only imagine what they can do with Yukine's story if they ride the thunder this arc has started.;)

[Ascaloth]

Ok....I kept getting this feeling that the pacing might have been a bit rushed. It almost seems as if the time KyoAni spent on the events of the Misae Arc fell just a little short of what I would have expected to be necessary to display the full quality of the story. It's more or less the same feeling I had for the "Tomoyo route" Ep24 OVA; it was good, if showing signs of being compacted. Still, the signs of it being compacted is there.

Which was why I was a little surprised at the end for having to ask myself, "why am I tearing up?"

Great story, Key. Not bad at all for so having so little time to work with, KyoAni. 8/10.

[rapidfire]

holy cow at Misae near the end o.O
Cat Shima got a good view lol.

But seriously, great way to wrap up the arc, even if it was small, this episode grabbed me in every way. Misae deserved more time, but i guess we have a lot more down the line in this series... >.<

[Deathkillz]

holy cow at Misae near the end o.O
Cat Shima got a good view lol.

Took the words right out of my mouth :D

Damnit...this is why I "hate" key for making me depressed most of the times :(

Don't they know how emotionally tiring it is to have crap rained upon you with every love story they try!? >.>

You would think that after watching so much of their works, you would get used to it by now...nope...not always.

Especially when it is a character I like it makes it a few times worse, Misae's story is so sad and tragic and probably the best one seen so far.

Heck when you like a character you are naturally bias :rolleyes:

Btw anyone else thought that the whole cat thing and his original master sound like something similar to Da Capo? :heh:

Oh and Trap kun is trap!!

[Kristen]

Hm... Well, I felt like the ending was a little drawn out. Like, after Misae found her cat, it could have ended there. But the stuff after it was so good, it really benefited the story as a whole. I liked it. ^_^

I'm just surprised that they aren't back in their winter uniforms for next episode.

9/10

[Kinny Riddle]

Misae-san's story was one of the few side-characters whose story was as moving as the main characters, or even in the league of After Story. The other side-characters were not even close.

Misae-san was so cute back then, especially in her kimono. :love:

But she got beaten in the cuteness department by none other than her own boyfriend. :love: :love:

I lol'ed in the game when I heard Yoshino's voice offscreen flirting with Shima-kun in drag. They should have made Yoshino flirt with Shima-kun instead of some other band member, it suits his personality well, and well explains why he can be so funny in the baseball game.

Poor Misae-san, at least Tomoya has finally brought some closure for her, via the vision the cat gave to him. The vision is directly linked to the light orb you see floating at the end, and these orbs have everything to do with the story.

One gripe, just what is Kyo-Ani's problem with animating kiss scenes? They didn't directly show Kyon kissing Haruhi, they used a water drop camera to imply Yuuichi kissed Ayu, and now they don't even bother with Tomoya kissing Nagisa or Misae-san kissing Shima-kun. Think of all the "moe potential" that can be released by showing such a kiss scene, instead they chose to restrain and shackle that "moe potential", which is a pity.

[MeoTwister5]

I'll say it now: I like the animation version of Misae's story more than the VN version.

Why? Most likely because they gave Shima a face and a voice. It's radically different from playing from Tomoya's perspective because you don't get a lot of time playing Shima in the game, thus his own development is short and a bit stunted.

Now by not assuming his persona the animation team have a lot more freedom in animating his personality, actions and mannerisms. We get to see more of the interaction between him and Misae but, more importantly, we get to see how he himself reacts to the events. As such I got a better feel for him as a character than just by playing as him in the VN.

Definitely the best arc so far for After Story. Then again, Yukine's arc is my favorite "non-main character" arc in the game, so I have high hopes for it. Time to throw away the tissues before bed.:D

[Mirrinus]

After seeing episode 6, I'm quite amused by the double meaning behind the next episode preview at the end of episode 5.

Are Shima-kun's words directed towards his former master (the real Shima-kun), or to Misae? Whose wish is he fulfilling?

Or does it matter which one it is at all?

[Vegard Aune]

On one hand, this episode was kinda confusing, and I didn't quite "get" why Shima vanished, or what his past was all about in the first place. I knew that the cat was him, though. The way the flashback started made me realise that pretty much instantly.
On the other hand, it was still a fantastic, touching episode, which at the end of the day is what matters the most to me. Any episode that makes me feel like crying is instantly great in my mind. (Unless it's like, I'm crying at how bad this is, but that was, of course, not the case here.)

And to point out the obvious, the music was, as always, absolutely fantastic. I can't possibly praise Key's music-writers enough, as the soundtrack of this anime might just be the best anime-soundtrack I've ever heard. (Incidentally, I'm actually listening to it at the time I'm writing this.)

[X207]

10/10 i really liked this ep alot. i liked how they wrapped up the story with them getting bak together even if it was a rather unorthodox date. lol shima really can fool quite a few ppl with that disguise.

[musume_no_hoshi]

Key loves making people cry right? For some reason I cry more with the shorter arcs the main arcs in the first season.

Somehow, I always feel that Key's work feel more like Shoujo manga then a visual novel. Misae-san's arc is definately like a shoujo oneshot, like a really good one. I like how her arc isn't stretched out, but also containing some 'filler' moments.

The part where Misae asked Shima to love her forever just...made me teared....alot of tears. That sounds such a simple wish, but yet not as simple as it seems.

The frame where KyoAni drew from the game CG, looked really out of place in the episode for some reason...

[Ruhisu]

Key loves making people cry right? For some reason I cry more with the shorter arcs the main arcs in the first season.

It's because that short arcs are more moving very often than the main theme.

[IRJustman]

What's scary is that Katsuki is SO convincing as a girl, you'd almost think he really WAS a girl. Even though I knew in my mind that was him, my jaw just about hit the floor. He was pretty cute when he blushed.

That is what I call an "Admiral Ackbar-worthy" moment. Eat your heart out, Watarase Jun!

--Ian.

[Ascaloth]

You know....on the screenshot run, I'm starting to regret the '8' I gave for this episode. Mods, is there any way to bump my rating up one point? :heh:

[Klashikari]

That is "possible", but it would be too much a "trouble" as you cannot drag someone vote, you would simply change the value, so messing up everything if you are counting who voted "what".

Well, not like it is important anyway, in comparison with the posts.

[Divini]

Although I'm sure all of us saw Shima's disappearance (and consequent reappearance as a cat) coming from a couple hundred miles away.... the ending where Tomoya explained everything to Misae still really managed to choke me up and get my eyes all watery. ^_^

Shima is just too cute, whether a boy, girl, or a cat! :D

[cbatty]

A fantastic ending to this arc...

I also got a little choked up when Misae told Shima her wish.
Can't wait until next week. Now that Uni has ended for the year the episodes can't come quick enough.

[Kaisos Erranon]

That was so bloody awesome.

Loved this route in the game, loved it even more here.

10/10, if only I could give it 11...

[X207]

ive always liked shima's cat form since he was introduced in se1. i like how this arc gives the cat a nice history with misae.

[wtfftw]

Holy crap, this episode was simply CUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

This really one of the best even though it didn't have crazy drama it just took me. Misae is so sweet and nice i cant describe it.

Shima is funny as hell, when he mentioned the nice parts about Misae. They fit together perfectly. TO be honest a cat which she can pet is like something he always was always waiting for Misae.

The part where Okazaki told what the cat meant was so "emotionally" perfect i started bleeding inside my chest.

Ok cuz i so really feel for this ep. How many years does a cat have in human lives.

[Joachim]

The part where Okazaki told what the cat meant was so "emotionally" perfect i started bleeding inside my chest.

Ok cuz i so really feel for this ep. How many years does a cat have in human lives.

yeah that part was.. bittersweet? idk what to say, or its the bgm thats actually playing my heart strings.

i love how they animate this arc, i feel it better than the VN one

[wtfftw]

yeah that part was.. bittersweet? idk what to say, or its the bgm thats actually playing my heart strings.

i love how they animate this arc, i feel it better than the VN one
I KNOW how you FEEL bro;)

I really wanna know what happens after or during the festival for Misae. I mean a guy approaching her now would get so dissed.

That voice actor is definitely my fav. Every role she acts i always get moved xD

[Rikimtasu]

Trap FTW! I think that KyoAni is training to anime these stuff in Little Buster XD
And:

I think that the real Shima give the cat a change to let Misae to grant a wish before he died,as Misae did helped the real Shima when he still alive.As Misae wished Shima(cat) to love her forever,she might wished it and the cat follow Misae forever.Or Shima-kun(cat) himself have used the wish after,that explain the orb disapper in EP6.

[rainnydaiis]

Pretty sad to see the misae-san's arc end in just 2 episodes, but this episode is the clannad type episode I was looking for. The first episode was in a way a disappointment but this episode just made it so much better. The music playing in the background made the moments in this episode so much better.

[KaneDragon]

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Yes! :D Looking forward to the widescreen version, just so I have a better version to snapshot and archive. :heh:

Between Kanon and the first season, I knew it was coming, but I could still hope for the impossible. ;_;


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A human is fine, too.

[Eczema]

Was a good ep, but it didn't really have enough build-up for me for the resolution to have any sort of significant impact. The whole supernatural thing is also a bit overdone now, and we still don't really know the whole deal with Shima.

[Proto]

and we still don't really know the whole deal with Shima.

Isn't it implicit for the most part though?

[Kaisos Erranon]

The whole supernatural thing is also a bit overdone now

CONFIRMED SUPERNATURAL THINGS IN CLANNAD TV TO DATE:

1) Fuuko
2) Shima

Hmmrrr, overdone, is it?

And no, the Illusionary World doesn't count, as it hasn't yet been revealed what it is yet, and whether or not it's actually a story.

[kyouray]

I enjoyed this episode : Misae was so cute. The supernatural thing is a little overdone but it's touching : that's Key's talent and KyoAni too :)
It seems that the short arcs in Clannad are the best :D

[Sorrow-K]

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A human is fine, too.
For a scene that was supposed to be emotional, she looked rather erotic in that scene. Maybe a slightly less suggestive pose would have been more fitting for that scene.

Look, I could throw all sorts of criticisms at that like "predictable" or "rushed" but the fact of the matter is that I was genuinely moved by this story. The final scene was particularly well done. The falling sakura petals, the bright, simple backgrounds and melancholic music, the moving revelation that gives meaning to the story, the general bittersweet feeling of the whole thing. It was so traditionally Key/KyoAni in the way it was executed.

I really think this show is at its best when it's about simple stories that are told with heart. Just like this arc, as well as the finale of Fuko and Nagisa's arcs. When it tries to be too convoluted and evocative, it kinda falls on its face, IMO (Sunohara's arc, arguably Kotomi's arc).

[Kaisos Erranon]

I still love how people criticize the show for adapting the game almost directly.

But when a studio takes liberties with its adapation, people whine even more.

No one ever wins in this situation.


Relatedly, Misae's pose there is direct from one of the game CGs.

[MeoTwister5]

For a scene that was supposed to be emotional, she looked rather erotic in that scene. Maybe a slightly less suggestive pose would have been more fitting for that scene.

Look, I could throw all sorts of criticisms at that like "predictable" or "rushed" but the fact of the matter is that I was genuinely moved by this story. The final scene was particularly well done. The falling sakura petals, the bright, simple backgrounds and melancholic music, the moving revelation that gives meaning to the story, the general bittersweet feeling of the whole thing. It was so traditionally Key/KyoAni in the way it was executed.

I really think this show is at its best when it's about simple stories that are told with heart. Just like this arc, as well as the finale of Fuko and Nagisa's arcs. When it tries to be too convoluted and evocative, it kinda falls on its face, IMO (Sunohara's arc, arguably Kotomi's arc).

It's another copy-paste from the game, which is arguably out of place for the most part, unless of course you take completely in belief that she more or less knows at that point the identity of her cat.

Also, I'm sure most of us noticed the 2 rather questionable men following Yukine around during the final festival scene. Lasted for maybe 2 seconds.

[GreatTeacherKen]

After watching episode 5 I thought that if Shima grew his hair out and wore feminine clothing, he'd make a perfect trap.

And then this episode came along. :p

Anyways, poor Misae. :upset: She gets heartbroken twice. First she finds out the hard way that her crush is taken. Then the nice guy who's always supported her and who she has grown fond of disappears.

But at least he'll always be with her now albeit as a cat. :)

And that confession was really sweet. The lighting during the kiss gives off an almost magical mood.

[KaneDragon]

For a scene that was supposed to be emotional, she looked rather erotic in that scene.
Indeed. :D

I still love how people criticize the show for adapting the game almost directly.
Quit whining, we're trying to have a discussion here.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Quit whining, we're trying to have a discussion here.

Excuse me for attempting to make a point.

If people are going to criticize, then they should at least know what they are criticizing.

[arkxkra]

very good episode, quite touching :). Beautiful ~

[Sorrow-K]

Excuse me for attempting to make a point.

If people are going to criticize, then they should at least know what they are criticizing.
What are you suggesting, that people can't criticize anything that's been directly adapted from the game without having read through it first. Ignoring the fact that Misae's pose in that scene is such a minor point that it's barely worth debating, keep in mind that we're discussing an anime, not a game, and its merit as an adaptation is only a small part of the complete work.

This is where I stand on this issue: I'll just about never criticize an anime studio for taking liberties with a source material of itself. If the anime is worse, then that's because of poor execution or ill-conceived ideas, not because of the decision to take liberties in the first place. When you start demanding complete loyalty to the source material, you discount the possibility that the makers of the adaptation could possibly do parts of it better. The source material isn't perfect. That doesn't just apply to Clannad, that's a broad, general statement that applies to just about any source that's adapted into a different medium. Sometimes the very nature of the adapted medium demands that changes be made.

If I notice something I don't like in any anime, I'll criticize it. I don't care one iota if they did it in the original exactly the same. That's incidental. If I come across the same flaw in the original, then I'll very likely have the same criticisms.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Whereas I disagree: An animation studio, adapting a work, any work, should only be changing things so that they make more sense, not less. They should not be taking liberties in any form whatsoever.

To do so would be disrespecting the original work, and alienate its fans. (See: Shakugan no Shana)

(And even if changes do make more sense, there are still people who are going to complain.)

I personally tend to look at Clannad as strictly an adaptation, having played the game, but that is my view, and I do understand where you are coming from.

[Sorrow-K]

To do so would be disrespecting the original work, and alienate its fans. (See: Shakugan no Shana)
And the "fans" deserve more regard than people who just want to see a well made anime with good execution and a cohesive and impactful story?

Look, I'm not big on this idea that "fans know best". It encourages works that appeal to a base, whose preferences are well established, and so little genuine creativity is necessary to tide them over. We saw a pretty dramatic example of this with the recent Kimikiss anime. The series got a hefty backlash from so called "fans" because of the general change in feel from the source material, but many who saw the anime all the way through considered it to be a good series, an interesting new take on an otherwise often stale genre. And one of my personal favourite recent films is a very loose adaptation of a book that's over eighty years old.

I've no problem with an adaptation having complete loyalty. I can see the merit in that in some cases. I just think that it's wrong to get up in arms about minor changes when it doesn't impact the overall ability of an adaptation to tell a cohesive and well executed story. Conversely, I think it's perfectly within bounds to criticize an adaptation, even if it perfectly mirrors the source.

Like I said earlier, no original work is perfect. No original work can't be improved upon.

[Eczema]

Isn't it implicit for the most part though?

I mean stuff like the first meeting with Shima and Misae, reason for hospitalization, how can he exist at all, etc. I guess it doesn't really matter, but it would've been nice to know.

[Kaisos Erranon]

And the "fans" deserve more regard than people who just want to see a well made anime with good execution and a cohesive and impactful story?

To avoid being bitched at? Yes. If the original work is terrible and can be improved upon heavily? Well, not exactly, but they're still going to get a lot of flak. And then everyone on the Internet has to hear about how much X show sucks and then my head starts to hurt.


Look, I'm not big on this idea that "fans know best". It encourages works that appeal to a base, whose preferences are well established, and so little genuine creativity is necessary to tide them over. We saw a pretty dramatic example of this with the recent Kimikiss anime. The series got a hefty backlash from so called "fans" because of the general change in feel from the source material, but many who saw the anime all the way through considered it to be a good series, an interesting new take on an otherwise often stale genre. And one of my personal favourite recent films is a very loose adaptation of a book that's over eighty years old.

Not every adaptation that makes changes is bad, but many people will see it as bad simply because its been changed.

This is why I fully agree with animation studios making original works, and why I dislike the concept of adaptations in general.



I've no problem with an adaptation having complete loyalty. I can see the merit in that in some cases. I just think that it's wrong to get up in arms about minor changes when it doesn't impact the overall ability of an adaptation to tell a cohesive and well executed story.

The problem here is that many adaptations make major changes to the source material, basically killing any chance for sequels. It really can't be a "cohesive and well executed story" without anything resembling an ending.


Conversely, I think it's perfectly within bounds to criticize an adaptation, even if it perfectly mirrors the source.

As I have said, I disagree. I think what one should be criticizing is the source itself? You have problems with the material? Take the blame where it belongs.


Like I said earlier, no original work is perfect. No original work can't be improved upon.

True, but that does not mean that animation studios should take it upon themselves to "improve" upon it. More often than not, they make it worse.

[Sorrow-K]

True, but that does not mean that animation studios should take it upon themselves to "improve" upon it. More often than not, they make it worse.
But what about those few times when someone make an adaptation that's better than the source?

Not every adaptation that makes changes is bad, but many people will see it as bad simply because its been changed.

This is why I fully agree with animation studios making original works, and why I dislike the concept of adaptations in general.So just because a few fanboys get butthurt, animation studios shouldn't try to be creative with a given source material?

It really can't be a "cohesive and well executed story" without anything resembling an ending.Look, I don't disagree with you about this, one of my pet hates is anime based on ongoing manga that have really flimsy non-endings. But that doesn't change my point that it's more than possible for an adaptation to be better than the source material.

As I have said, I disagree. I think what one should be criticizing is the source itself? You have problems with the material? Take the blame where it belongs.How can I if I haven't read that part of the source material? You can't quell criticism of an adaptation just because someone hasn't read/seen the source material.

Seems to me that you're more concerned about the backlash towards studios taking liberties with a source material than you are about the liberties themselves. As far as I'm concerned, fear of backlash shouldn't influence studios. If it did, studios would become apprehensive about taking risks, which would result in more works that are formulaic and uncreative. And there's enough of that in anime as it is. Look, I don't disagree that anime studios should be looking more towards original concepts rather than adaptations, but that doesn't mean that they can't make good anime that aren't completely loyal to a given source material. And it discounts the examples, as few as they are, of really good anime that do take liberties with a given source. Just look at Gankutsuou. Sure, it has its detractors among fervent loyalists to Dumas' original work, and I'd never suggest that it's better than the original. But, as an anime, it's a very creative interpretation of a classic piece of literature. I'd almost argue it's among the best anime series of the decade so far. My-HiME is another example of an anime that's very different from its manga source, and most people accept that the anime is superior. Gungrave and Idolm@ster Xenoglossia are so different from the games they were based on, you almost couldn't call them adaptations. And then there are probably tonnes of examples of anime that are much closer adaptations that occasionally handle certain scenes better than the original or rearrange events to be a little more seamless or cohesive or explore a character that wasn't developed in the original, etc, etc. I won't make any lists because I don't explore sources often enough to come up with many examples off-hand, but it occasionally happens.

As far as I'm concerned, let studios make more risks. If they don't come off, that's one thing, but if it works, I'll applaud, and if the vocal source fans can't appreciate a well executed piece of creativity and bitch until their heads fall off, so be it.

[Ascaloth]

Episode 6 article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 6 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1300)

This is probably the sole article out of my schedule of three that would be anywhere near on time this week, so enjoy.

[Kaioshin Sama]

My-HiME is another example of an anime that's very different from its manga source, and most people accept that the anime is superior.

Could that be because the anime came first? Come on, I don't even like the show and I know that much. :heh:

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that if an adaptation could conceivably be made "better" than it's source with a minimum of risk (risk meaning the chance of making it worse as opposed to the chance of annoying purist fans of the original) do it. In any case at any time. There's no excuse to let something like a belief in verbatim adaptation or the possibility of upsetting purists interfere with creativity and making your work all that it could be. Well....except for money. The real point is though that nothing interesting, creative, fresh and/or ground breaking ever got made by just standing around copying directly from a source and playing it safe. You might break even, but you'll never make any progress as an artist.

So yeah, we're in agreement again. ;)

As for what Kaisos Erranon mentions about people bitching because they believe the source material of something got "raped", if people are going to be that way then I say don't give their words much merit. Some people these days seem to have this sense of entitlement in demanding that every show follow the course they want without considering any sort of alternative to said course as "good". If it doesn't follow their vision then suddenly it's complaining city and then we get the "T" word. After going through a similar experience last season I sort of just gave up on worrying about this sort of thing. Believe me I sympathize but these types of people who just like to complain and criticize without reason or consideration are not worth worrying about. I will say though that for criticism what Clannad is getting is tame compared to some other shows I've seen.

Anyway, called this one as a mini-arc last week and no surprise that it's merely a two parter. This is the 1/4 mark and I have to say though that things are moving rather slowly. It's not so much After Story yet as much as it's Other Stories so hopefully before long (and this is urgent in my case) we can maybe start seeing a little more progress and character development from the primary cast yes? Or does it not work that way?

Again I find myself only being able to say that these stories are alright, but nothing exactly earth shattering or irresistable beyond the obvious attempts at moe appeal and touchy feely stuff. I don't know what it is, I guess I'm too macho or have no soul but it's just not working. I find myself wanting something more from the story and characters, a certain Je ne sais quoi if you will. And with things getting so tight at work and my spare time constantly shrinking by the week if something doesn't happen soon to provide an inescapable hook I'm probably going to have to put this on an indefinite hold.

Or perhaps, despite every attempt I've made to try and approach Clannad these past....what is it, 29 episodes, I might just have to admit that aside from a handful of arcs and a couple of characters that it's really just not my thing after all and to move on.

[Aizu]

Amazing episode. Touching. But they changed the scenario, of course and the viewers who don't know the game can't obviously say who Shima really is. Of course, from some last shots viewers can guess, but it isn't opened so good enough and no details about some things that happened in the past. And some moments so... cut. No real Misae's arc ending as in Tomoyo's arc, what a pitty. But it was so good. And some very nice showed jokes. "This is a trap", yeah.

Anyway, I like Misae and this episode and I'll give it perfect 10. This is the first episode in AS with this rating for me. So, next is Yukine. Yay, good news !

[Nerroth]

I knew it - Misae does think a cat is fine, too!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Nerroth/vlcsnap-49273.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Nerroth/vlcsnap-49515.png

And Misae herself, especially in that kimono, is spec-tacular...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Nerroth/vlcsnap-49944.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Nerroth/vlcsnap-52308.png

[Mega-Japan]

Just watched the episode and liked it a lot. Even though I don't like Misae, this episode made me a get a better view at her. On the other hand, I really liked Shima, so much courage yet so pure hearted, a total ownage of a character, in a way, lol. Plus he looked really cute both as a girl and as a neko xD.

[Eczema]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention; I thought they would delve more into Misae as student council president. For example, the one day where she managed to achieve perfect attendance - how and why? How did she get elected to president? Why did she even want to be president? It doesn't really matter, but I thought since they brought in Tomoyo and mentioned it, I thought it would be explored more in this episode, but instead, the whole issue is discarded. It's probably because there's not enough eps to dedicate to Misae, and that's a shame.

[Klashikari]

That part wasn't in the original material, so trying to expand Misae might generate some inconsistencies if done carelessly.
Also, pretty much what Misae says, it is "nothing special", so it is up to the watchers to determine how she did that, based on her temper, personality, and... means (hell I think many people would be scared to death with such pro wrestler :heh:)

Misae just works like other Clannad char: her usual appearance and characterization should give you enough clues to how it has happened.
And yes, they don't have the luxury to explore more of non main characters anyway. After all, we aren't even in the After Story segment, so they are really going overboard.

[Kamesan]

I like Misae but I thought the last couple of episodes were extremely corny. I'm hoping that Clannad gets itself back on track because I've been disappointed with the 2nd season so far.

[Vegard Aune]

I like Misae but I thought the last couple of episodes were extremely corny. I'm hoping that Clannad gets itself back on track because I've been disappointed with the 2nd season so far.
It will probably get better once the real After Story starts... Which I'm guessing will happen at episode 13. No logical reason for that assumption, I'm just guessing that it'll happen at the half-way-point of the series.

[yjs]

Hmm, the relationship between Shima and Misae was a little contrived. In addition, very little background was given for the whole Shima business which left me a little confused, and subsequently the supposed bond between Shima and Misae appeared somewhat unbelievable. Perhaps it is assumed that the viewer has finished the visual novel? So far After Story has lacked the polish of the first season- not just in script either. A good example would be the use of the depressing music in the beginning of this episode- I didn't feel it was appropriate and it went for AGES.

It's probably got to do with the source material, but I'm hoping the Kyoani polish will come back soon.

[LeaD36]

Misae went skyhigh in just 2 eps on my fav clannad char list, and i was right almost right about shima, he was the cat to begin with ;/

Nuff background was given yjs for the basic part, oh and it seems like shima´s the robot to me ;[

[iamandragon]

CONFIRMED SUPERNATURAL THINGS IN CLANNAD TV TO DATE:

1) Fuuko
2) Shima

Hmmrrr, overdone, is it?

And no, the Illusionary World doesn't count, as it hasn't yet been revealed what it is yet, and whether or not it's actually a story.

About everyone in CLANNAD are super natural...
3) Kyou (killer dictionary)
4) Kotomi (killer violin)
5) Ryou (killer fortune telling)
6) Kyou (powerful killer dictionary)
8) Tomoyo (powerful kick)
9) Yukine (super natural gang-gathering capability)
10) Kyou (super natural killer-dictionary)
11) Sunohara Yohei (incredibly stupid)
12) Sunohara Mei (incredibly mature)
13) Kyou (incredibly killer dictionary)
14) Sanae (magical young appearance)
15) Sane's bread (magical killer bread)
16) Kyou (magical killer dictionary)
17) Sane's bread (magical killer bread)

If you don't get my joke, move on...

[Reckoner]

Disappointing arc, I'm happy to move on.

Nothing against Misae as a character, but the whole idea that the boy is a cat kills any emotional impact this arc could have possibly had for me.

[wtfftw]

About everyone in CLANNAD are super natural...
3) Kyou (killer dictionary)
4) Kotomi (killer violin)
5) Ryou (killer fortune telling)
6) Kyou (powerful killer dictionary)
8) Tomoyo (powerful kick)
9) Yukine (super natural gang-gathering capability)
10) Kyou (super natural killer-dictionary)
11) Sunohara Yohei (incredibly stupid)
12) Sunohara Mei (incredibly mature)
13) Kyou (incredibly killer dictionary)
14) Sanae (magical young appearance)
15) Sane's bread (magical killer bread)
16) Kyou (magical killer dictionary)
17) Sane's bread (magical killer bread)

If you don't get my joke, move on...i loled^^

I have no idea what those 2 guys are talking about or the whole game deal. This ep was good period. If you dont like it cuz its not like the game then better to just play the game i would say.

Plus you need to understand that if you play games or read manga an anime is gonna feel totally different not knowing how to take it just shows how you are.

Seriously its like the author isnt allowed to do what he feels would be best for the story. Money budget time constraints i doubt most of us here actually helped in contributing to buy the licensed product.

I mean people whine about transformers the movie when it was to come out but it was great. So was this ep, I'd care less about the game

[Mecha_Trueno]

About everyone in CLANNAD are super natural...
3) Kyou (killer dictionary)
4) Kotomi (killer violin)
5) Ryou (killer fortune telling)
6) Kyou (powerful killer dictionary)
8) Tomoyo (powerful kick)
9) Yukine (super natural gang-gathering capability)
10) Kyou (super natural killer-dictionary)
11) Sunohara Yohei (incredibly stupid)
12) Sunohara Mei (incredibly mature)
13) Kyou (incredibly killer dictionary)
14) Sanae (magical young appearance)
15) Sane's bread (magical killer bread)
16) Kyou (magical killer dictionary)
17) Sane's bread (magical killer bread)

If you don't get my joke, move on...

lol:D
but you left out:
18) Sunohara (unlimited HP, impossible to kill)

[MercFH]

Epic trap
thats all that needs to be said

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

Man this episode is so touching. Somewhat of an happy ending for Misae.

[MercFH]

Man this episode is so touching. Somewhat of an happy ending for Misae.

Agreed. I mean.....i def. Q_Q'd a little bit towards the end. It didnt really explain "WHY" he had to leave....and why he became a cat

and whats with the lady in the wheelchair...is that like..his future or what he was at in the past or wtf? i dunno!!

[iamandragon]

lol:D
but you left out:
18) Sunohara (unlimited HP, impossible to kill)

I would have, but after playing the PS2 version I've had enough of Sunohara...

I love CLANNAD the anime, even if it is different from the game--KyoAni did a really great job doing the story lines, and not to miss out important things.

[siber222000]

touching episode. never knew misae had such a history... love that kitty :p

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

Agreed. I mean.....i def. Q_Q'd a little bit towards the end. It didnt really explain "WHY" he had to leave....and why he became a cat

and whats with the lady in the wheelchair...is that like..his future or what he was at in the past or wtf? i dunno!!

i think the person in the wheelchair is the real Shima.

[Klashikari]

Well, to summary a bit:

The real Shima died (presumbly the reason why he was hospitalized from the beginning). For the reason what Shima told to Misae before, the real Shima wanted to grants a wish to Misae and asked his cat to do so.
It is heavily implied that the light itself permits the cat to impersonate Shima Katsuki himself, which is the reason how he could appear.

However, this is after all, some borrowed time, hence once Misae's wish is granted, it wouldn't be able to keep this appearance.

[Leo_Otaku]

Disappointing arc, I'm happy to move on.

Nothing against Misae as a character, but the whole idea that the boy is a cat kills any emotional impact this arc could have possibly had for me.

Not really as seen with the background on the story it isn't as simple as that. Plus with the background of the story and the situation it makes it more emotional because he is not human.

As for too much suprnatural it is KEY what the hell do you except. I have someone who tells me therei s not enough of it in Clannad as say Kanon. Then there is too much >.> yeah there are 3 arcs with it out of like 13. If it was all supernatural it would be an over kill but it isn't it is done right.

[dave1992]

Well, it's simply an awesome story, and it also show the moe-ness of Misae.

Usual girl would cry if she know something happened like that, she didn't, it also show that Misae isn't like an usual crybaby.

[typhonsentra]

How sad for Misae. I hope things end up well for her in this series.

[Phoenix_Cypher_K1]

I enjoyed this episode. It was very touching. I nearly teared up at the festival scenes too.

I definitely enjoyed how the anime portrayed Misae's route.

[CCLemon]

Where was Shima staying during all those days that he visited Misae? Even if he was a cat, it's still pretty hard to not have a home and not notice it. Reminds me of Ayu...

[brocko]

I guess that's where the suspension of disbelief comes into play. And plus he is supernatural afterall, so you could probably come up with all kinds of kooky explanations and what nots.

[zzeroparticle]

Well, I'm fairly satisfied as to how this arc wrapped up. At first, I wasn't sure if they would be able to throw out the heavy emotional impact since half of the episode was just building up the relationship. However, they managed to execute it competently by the very end and it did touch my heartstrings just enough to make me feel pretty good.

[Maksst]

I really like it. It made me a littke cry, whem Misae kissed "Shima"... aww ;3

[Lost-Wisdom]

Loved all of it, it was obvious how the cat was going to be a main point in this episode, you could see the hints from the last episode that it had to do something about the cat.

Misae got a good ending for her arc, although short. Just great in my opinion.

[Tiran86]

Makoto's arc from Kanon 06 was much better imho. This arc just made me laugh at the end. Still a good episode. I'll give it an 8/10 cause its as enjoyable as the series usually is.

[grey_moon]

This arc was one of the saddest things I've seen in a while *sniffle*

[konstargirl]

I almost cry when that boy Shima-kun or whatever was crying because he really liked her. :3

10/10 lol

[Nochgo]

Ugh, such an awesome arc, finished in mere two episodes, but I guess brevity made it that much more better. It finally felt like kyoani was in full gear, though I'm not saying I was dissatisfied with previous episodes. Let's see if this episode can break 60% for perfect rating ^^

The supernatural part didn't really bother me at all, after all, we had that for a longer time with Fuuko. But what did surprise me was the fact that yoshino was a student when ibuki was a teacher... Do we know how old the two of them are? (sorry if it was posted before; I'm writing my comment before looking at the thread)

The moment of win for this episode was Shima's crossdressing scene (and this coming from something who don't like genderblending). "What... kind of relationship do you guys have?"

[Utau]

Agreed. I mean.....i def. Q_Q'd a little bit towards the end. It didnt really explain "WHY" he had to leave....and why he became a cat

He is a cat to begin with, taking the form of his current master in able to fulfill his master's wish. Apparently, he said that it's their promise.


and whats with the lady in the wheelchair...is that like..his future or what he was at in the past or wtf? i dunno!!

that's actually a guy :heh:
Katsuki Shima (in the wheelchair) and his cat.




Misae's arc is beautiful, definitely the saddest episode yet. Somehow i'm worried if Fuuko will suffer the same if ever KyoAni alotted a spot for her this season. He reminded me of Fuuko when she- i mean "he" was wearing a girls uniform then suddenly Ibuki-sensei appeared next to him. Yoshino is there too.. wow the teacher-student couple eh? :heh:

it was kind of sad that Yuki and Saki didn't tell Misae about their visit at Shima's house, or did they really not believe what his mother said to them. They did chase after Shima so they probably didn't get the chance to know more, then just thought that it was some kind of a bad argument between mother and son.

[KholdStare]

I don't talk here much, but I just have to say that I loved this episode. 9.4/10 rounded up to a 10

[C.A.]

Traps = win.

Plus the way it beautifully played out, this episode gets a 10 for me.

But, my face would really be swollen nowadays reading the internet, if I actually facepalmed myself. People really have to stop their talking on the phone, eating or playing handhelds while watching anime. I'm really not sure how people can miss out details or the just the story itself.

[Hiria]

I love this episode. It made me cry.
and misae and shima's story is sooo touching.

[Clawn]

I too rarely post here, but I feel a need to say that that ark was simply astounding. Perhaps not as amazing as Fuuko's, but pretty darned close. An easy 9.5. ;)

[Kaioshin Sama]

I guess I'm still the only person who felt nothing at all during this arc (besides "gee that Misae is cute") and had to find ways to pass the time as the progress bar moved slowly from the left of my screen to the right twice over while of course looking up occassionally to see what was going on. I also kind of expected better from a Satsuki Yukino character, but Misae just kind of left me high and dry.

I also can't help but feel that this season continues to oversell it's characters highs and lows, it's comedy and drama etc. to the point where it leaves situations feeling hollow and overproduced as opposed to genuine and meaningful. The football team episode was the absolute peak of this in my opinion, but I find it everywhere in the series now where I get the feeling I'm supposed to laugh or tear up but can't because I damn well haven't been given a good enough reason to. In fact the word overwrought keeps coming up when I feel the need to describe the drama and comedy.

That the characters but for a few keep feeling like archetypes without much variety beyond whatever moe fetish they are catering to doesn't help me get into things either and I had honestly started to feel like I gave a damn about the characters by the end of the last season. I don't know what other people are seeing in this current string of episodes but I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing any of the qualities that made me willing to give the first season a 7/10 beyond the girls that are easy on the eyes and the occasional high end animation sequence.

So that's Clannad After Story's task to get me hooked again. Simply cut the overwrought comedy and drama and head straight for the heart without forcing character scenes across and I will probably be game for this show again without having to resort to filing my nails during certain parts.

The episode has earned a 6 from me.

[Proto]

That might be the problem with the currently ongoing minor character arcs, since not much exposure is given and the transition between introduction, development, climax and ending is quite abrupt, and it may be possible that you are not feeling that there is not enough time for you to develop any care for the characters. If that's your situation I suppose that in 2-3 episodes we will be returning to the main arc, so grit your teeth till then :p

[Bathory Area]

Weird that you can see this arc as a way to 'flesh out the romance between Tomoya and Nagsia' and have zero love for Fuuko. Fuuko was the one that brought Tomoya and Nagisa together in the first place.

I'm not sure why you brought Fuuko into this episode though.

O.K.I am drunk.I typed in notepad and this is not my comment in this EP.:p




I really loved the pacing and content of these last two episodes of ~After Story~, I think that the Misae storyline was really nicely done. I have heard that several bloggers have expressed the opinion that the Misae arc was rushed and her story not given enough screen time, but to me it felt just right. Clannad and Clannad ~After Story~ is all about Nagisa and Tomoya, so each arc must give us a little character development for the supporting characters and it must further the overall story progression.

[Cloudkiller1]

Gave it a 9/10. I wasn't a fan of Misae's route during the game but this made me had second thoughts about it. :D Also, TRAP! MUST HAVE TRAP!!

[ShimatheKat]

/\ /\ /\ For all of you up there who touched on the trap, here is my thoughts...

LOL. LMAO. ROFL.

And if you thought that the one in the wheelchair is a girl, well...

Tis' Shima Katsuki himself. 'nuff said.

To Yusuke, congrats on going the Onegai Sensei route! Have fuuuun!

To Misae, you sure have a way with everything.
-Ep5: Bashing up Sunohara to the nth limit. (wonder how she lives with that kinda fool)
-Ep5: Not realising that Iggarashi is already taken for the longest of time.
-Ep6: Amazing pose - need I say more??:heh:

Still, best KyoAni ep (not exactly series yet - there's still Haruhi) so far...

[C.A.]

lol nice, Shima-kun, you joined AS because of this episode?

Shima evaded my trap radar in the episode preview after episode 5, my trap radar went berserk this episode lol

Traps = win.

[ShimatheKat]

lol nice, Shima-kun, you joined AS because of this episode?

Shima evaded my trap radar in the episode preview after episode 5, my trap radar went berserk this episode lol

Traps = win.

Uh, no, was browsing since the START of CLANNAD.
Only was pused to do it now.

I had a silly idea just now, what if Katsuki (the PERSON), Tomoyo and the Fuibayashi twins were related? That would be lulz.

[destiny4everlove]

Episode 6



-If Misae was so hurt after finding out that her crush had a girlfriend that she decided to skip school, I can’t image how hurt she would have been if her crush would have rejected her in person. Poor Misae. :( Misae might seem like a strong girl on the outside, but she is in fact really fragile on the inside.

-"In case you don’t find toiler paper in the bathroom".. Shima is so cute and funny!!! :) :heh:

-Everybody is at school; I wonder why Shima isn't studying like everybody else. :confused:

-It doesn’t matter if it’s like a cat, a boy or even as a girl, Shima is cute no matter what!!!!! :blush:

-Ibuki-sensei is older than Misae and Yoshino!!!!! :o And she was Yoshino teacher!!!! :o So Yoshino actually married someone older than him and who was his teacher in high school!!! :o Wow!!! :o You go Yoshino!!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi22.gif

-Shima-kun saying to Misae that he wanted for her to be with him forever when he was dressed like girl was so sweet, so cute and a little bit yuuri too, but I loved it anyway. :blush: ;)

-Please don’t tell me that Shima is the Fuko of this story!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif Please tell me that he is not dead!!!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif

-Noooooooo!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi2j.gif Shima is the male version of Fuko in the After Story!!! :( Nooooo!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi2j.gif I didn’t see this coming at all!!!!!

-The scene of Shima crying after Misae told him what her wish was about was so touching!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-So Shima was indeed the cat, he reincarnated as a cat to be forever by Misae’s side. That’s so sweet!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif

-Tomoya looked so handsome in that outfit, the one he wore to the festival. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif

-The conversation between Tomoya and Misae at the festival was so touching!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-Shima has become one of my favs without a doubt!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi9b.gif

-OK. I’m a little confused…is Shima the boy who Misae helped or is Shima the cat of the boy who Misae helped and that to keep the promise we made to his master he borrowed the body of his master?http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif

I truly enjoyed this episode, it was so beautiful!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif

I can’t wait to watch the next episode, I so hope there is a Yukine x Sunohara pairing on the horizon. :)

[Proto]

@destiny4everlove: Shima was the cat of the boy. Hence when the magic ended he returned to his original form.

[C.A.]

Also @destiny4everlove: Don't worry about Fuuko as well, she was never dead in the first place. She just returned back to her coma self in the hospital.

[ShimatheKat]

Episode 6


-If Misae was so hurt after finding out that her crush had a girlfriend that she decided to skip school, I can’t image how hurt she would have been if her crush would have rejected her in person. Poor Misae. :( Misae might seem like a strong girl on the outside, but she is in fact really fragile on the inside.

-"In case you don’t find toiler paper in the bathroom".. Shima is so cute and funny!!! :) :heh:

-Everybody is at school; I wonder why Shima isn't studying like everybody else. :confused:

Oh yeah, there's no rule in Japan that states that high school and middle school students MUST have the same term days (the schools can adjust by a few days) - besides the school Misae's in is a 私立 (private-run) one, thus it does not have to follow other schools' systems/anything else.




-It doesn’t matter if it’s like a cat, a boy or even as a girl, Shima is cute no matter what!!!!! :blush:

-Ibuki-sensei is older than Misae and Yoshino!!!!! :o And she was Yoshino teacher!!!! :o So Yoshino actually married someone older than him and who was his teacher in high school!!! :o Wow!!! :o You go Yoshino!!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi22.gif



Talk about Onegai Sensei!



-Shima-kun saying to Misae that he wanted for her to be with him forever when he was dressed like girl was so sweet, so cute and a little bit yuuri too, but I loved it anyway. :blush: ;)

-Please don’t tell me that Shima is the Fuko of this story!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif Please tell me that he is not dead!!!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif


No, they'll probably milk this arc and create a 5th cour just on this. Don't worry, the guy's prolly returning with such fan support.


-Noooooooo!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi2j.gif Shima is the male version of Fuko in the After Story!!! :( Nooooo!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi2j.gif I didn’t see this coming at all!!!!!

-The scene of Shima crying after Misae told him what her wish was about was so touching!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-So Shima was indeed the cat, he reincarnated as a cat to be forever by Misae’s side. That’s so sweet!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif

-Tomoya looked so handsome in that outfit, the one he wore to the festival. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif

-The conversation between Tomoya and Misae at the festival was so touching!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-Shima has become one of my favs without a doubt!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi9b.gif

-OK. I’m a little confused…is Shima the boy who Misae helped or is Shima the cat of the boy who Misae helped and that to keep the promise we made to his master he borrowed the body of his master?http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif

I truly enjoyed this episode, it was so beautiful!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif

I can’t wait to watch the next episode, I so hope there is a Yukine x Sunohara pairing on the horizon. :)

Oh no.... Yukine watch out.

[Reckoner]

I guess I'm still the only person who felt nothing at all during this arc (besides "gee that Misae is cute") and had to find ways to pass the time as the progress bar moved slowly from the left of my screen to the right twice over while of course looking up occassionally to see what was going on. I also kind of expected better from a Satsuki Yukino character, but Misae just kind of left me high and dry.


Oh you certainly are not the only one. This animal who projects an image of a human that falls in love with a character I hope is the last time KEY plays this god awful card. This is not the only series in which they did this, so I guess there is always going to be one arc or aspect of a KEY series that I am going to end up bored with or annoyed. It is not that it needs to be realistic or anything, but it's a goddamn cat. Misae kissed a cat :twitch:! All I can do is shrug at this sort of plot.

It seems my least favorite arcs in Clannad are the ones that people like the most (ex:Fuko).

[ShimatheKat]

Oh you certainly are not the only one. This animal who projects an image of a human that falls in love with a character I hope is the last time KEY plays this god awful card. This is not the only series in which they did this, so I guess there is always going to be one arc or aspect of a KEY series that I am going to end up bored with or annoyed. It is not that it needs to be realistic or anything, but it's a goddamn cat. Misae kissed a cat :twitch:! All I can do is shrug at this sort of plot.

It seems my least favorite arcs in Clannad are the ones that people like the most (ex:Fuko).

Oh. I guess this may not be your cup of tea, as KEY LOVES this kind of sub-plot. I think this will carry on for a good bit of time. Oh well...

[destiny4everlove]

@destiny4everlove: Shima was the cat of the boy. Hence when the magic ended he returned to his original form.
O.K. Let me see if I got it. Once upon a time, Misae helped a boy who was staying at a hospital (Shima). This boy, who was really grateful to Misae, had a cat. I supposed Shima told about Misae to his pet, to his cat, and told him about his desire of grating Misae a wish as a token of his gratitude. Unfortunately, Shima, who was a very sick kid, died; so he could not grant Misae her wish. But the cat promised to Shima (his master) that he will do it in Shima’s place. So the cat borrowed for a couple of days the body of his master to grant Misae her wish. However, along the way, the cat fell in love with Misae. And Misae without knowing fell in love with a cat?!!! Did I get right? http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif


Also @destiny4everlove: Don't worry about Fuuko as well, she was never dead in the first place. She just returned back to her coma self in the hospital.
No, no, no. I never thought Fuko was dead, but I’m still sad because she still has not woken up from her coma.:upset:

Oh yeah, there's no rule in Japan that states that high school and middle school students MUST have the same term days (the schools can adjust by a few days) - besides the school Misae's in is a 私立 (private-run) one, thus it does not have to follow other schools' systems/anything else.
Thank you for the info!!!:)


Talk about Onegai Sensei!
What is Onegai? http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif


No, they'll probably milk this arc and create a 5th cour just on this. Don't worry, the guy's prolly returning with such fan support.
I hope so. But Shima (the real Shima) is dead, so it’s still a sad ending. :(



Oh no.... Yukine watch out.
Yukine x Sunohara ftw!!!:smile:

[ShimatheKat]

Thank you for the info!!!:)


OK, just checked this again, there ARE fixed school terms... but only if it's a government or national school. Misae's school is privately-run, so what I said before still stands-she might have different school terms as compared to Shima.



What is Onegai? http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif



Onegai Sensei! is an anime about a student and teacher falling in love.




I hope so. But Shima (the real Shima) is dead, so it’s still a sad ending. :(



Died? Really? Not coma?



Yukine x Sunohara ftw!!!:smile:
Oh noes...

[destiny4everlove]

OK, just checked this again, there ARE fixed school terms... but only if it's a government or national school. Misae's school is privately-run, so what I said before still stands-she might have different school terms as compared to Shima.
Ah…thanks again for the info!:)


Onegai Sensei! is an anime about a student and teacher falling in love.
Thank you for clarifying that!:)



Died? Really? Not coma?
Fuko is the one in a coma, Shima (the boy, the real one) died. :(


Oh noes...
Sunohara needs some love too, right? ;) :)

[ShimatheKat]

Fuko is the one in a coma, Shima (the boy, the real one) died. :(



Yeowch! Meow...




Sunohara needs some love too, right? ;) :)

I'm more worried for Yukine.

[tzia_n]

Onegai Sensei! is an anime about a student and teacher falling in love.

well to be accurate Onegai means please iirc :heh: and the anime is about a student and an alien teacher falling in love :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Oh you certainly are not the only one. This animal who projects an image of a human that falls in love with a character I hope is the last time KEY plays this god awful card. This is not the only series in which they did this, so I guess there is always going to be one arc or aspect of a KEY series that I am going to end up bored with or annoyed. It is not that it needs to be realistic or anything, but it's a goddamn cat. Misae kissed a cat :twitch:! All I can do is shrug at this sort of plot.

It seems my least favorite arcs in Clannad are the ones that people like the most (ex:Fuko).

At least that's kind of a localized phenomenon. With me pretty much everything I dislike people seem to adore and everything I like people seem to hate. So much so that sometimes I wonder if Bizarro World really does exist and that one day 24 years ago a portal opened up and I dropped out if it into this world.

[Slackjack]

I certainly enjoyed this episode, even with its flaws and good old animal-plot, and I think they've managed to get the emotional mood back in place - this, especially, if the next Arc ends up being good (I'm hoping for a tear-breaker. It's about time).

[SeedFreedom]

Misae brings a new meaning to "Crazy cat lady". Its really hard to move on when your constantly staring at your former crush as a cat.