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[Pellissier]

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[FlareKnight]

Now this is back to good Soul Eater stuff. Sorry, but no Excalibur is good in my view :heh:. Was interesting seeing them train for the group soul resonance. Its tough since they have to match wavelengths and come to an understanding as a group. If they have conflicts between them it just isn't going to work. Agree that part was Black Star trying to lead it, but also the issues between him and Maka were making it impossible. Leaving the group and asking Stein to kick Black Star out just reflects that.

A pretty physical affair with those two. He threw her to the ground, she punched him, he made her cry, and she asked him to hit her at the end. Have to say his punch definitely won :heh:. Though really he is in good shape that his punches even without the soul wave would do some damage. Glad they resolved it though. Tsubaki was a big help there. Both in giving Black Star a hit for his part in it and talking to Maka later on.

Think Maka leading makes sense. She is the main of the three groups at any rate. But also she has a good head and can use it to move them. Black Star is definitely the best for going in there and doing damage and Kid is excellent at range. Good mixture that's for sure, long as they can get along.

Bit worried about Black Star though. He's getting closer to the presence inside Tsubaki, but feels like a dangerous thing. Hopefully he doesn't lose it which feels possible if he gets too hot headed.

Last concern goes to Stein. Even he can tell that there isn't much time left before he loses to the madness. He has to teach them the best he can with what little time is left.

[Arabesque]

Now this is back to good Soul Eater stuff. Sorry, but no Excalibur is good in my view :heh:.
What are you talking about? Excalibur is the best character in this show :heh:
Joking aside, it was a really nice thing to see the trio making progress in their powers.
I'm a bit worried about what happened after Black Star had stopped the cursed sword mode, he almost looked like he had a heart attack (didn't help with the sound effect). I don't think he will die, but the Cursed sword can't have a good effect on him it seems.
I'm also really worried about Stein. He just doesn't look like he can handle anymore, he might snap anytime soon now.
And that was some cry from Maka, though I'm glad that things returned normal between her and Black Star.
A pretty physical affair with those two. He threw her to the ground, she punched him, he made her cry, and she asked him to hit her at the end. Have to say his punch definitely won :heh:.

She could have won with her Maka Chop easy :heh:

[NakedAngelX]

Awesome episode, Maka and Black Star both have pretty bad tempers.

The preview of next episode looks fun, i wonder what creature are those that work under Arachne.
As for the soul chain between the 3, is that some kind of ultimate moves? Maka becomes the head, black star is body, tsubaki left hand and soul right hand. Thompson sisters left and right leg. Then death the kid as weapon lol. Super robot Maka!

[DjTrizz]

man do I ever feel special right about now...

was trying to figure out what the song was that played during Black Star and Mifune's fight a few episodes ago...boy do I feel oblivious that it's the new OP that I was looking for...

[Reincarnated]

SH*T Black Star! You made Maka cry like that :T_T: why you !!
Stein go insane! *dances* so scary! I closed my eyes when he reflected himself in the mirror.

please ignore my opinion. Now I don't like Black Star even more :( sorry for Black Star's fans out there.

[Deathkillz]

Quite a stretched episode imo but it wasn't all bad, just normal.

I think this series really shines when it gets to the action parts so I can't wait for the battle for the brew scenes to come up next week.

But this episode did show some interesting development for Stein...and Maka taking a hit from Black Star :heh:

[White Manju Bun]

Oh man the first 3 mins I was having a fangirl moment :heh:


This was one of my fav parts of the manga, I really liked how it showed that all 3 had to sync at the same time to have the same wave length, totally didnt surprise me that Kid and Maka were able to do it so easily and B*S, well...wasnt :heh:

[FlareKnight]

Oh man the first 3 mins I was having a fangirl moment :heh:


This was one of my fav parts of the manga, I really liked how it showed that all 3 had to sync at the same time to have the same wave length, totally didnt surprise me that Kid and Maka were able to do it so easily and B*S, well...wasnt :heh:Think it went fine with Kid and Maka since they really don't have any issues. They get along fine and wouldn't have that much of a problem getting in sync. Issues between Maka and Black Star were serious enough to make a combination impossible. Just glad it worked out in the end which was a pretty nice moment to watch happen.

[Captain Roronoa Zoro]

ha! finally i cant stand maka and her goody two shoes attitude...go blackstar!

[Shiroth]

Oh man the first 3 mins I was having a fangirl moment :heh:
Yeah that was a pretty damn good scene, along with him loosing it in the woods. One of my main interest in this show now is waiting to see what happens with Stein, and it could be at any moment.

[crystalalien87]

finally this episode came :) i was waiting ever since i read it in the manga...

i have to argue with that comments... yea blackstar is strong:rolleyes: but he still a dick... i dont really see maka as the goody two shoes at all... if u pay attention she is the only one who has to struggle to become strong..even though she started off in the series almost making soul a death scythe? how ironic that she is one of the weakest now?:mad: but im only saying that cuz i like maka more then blackstar... i would say out of all the pairs he has to be my 4th favorite..
ha! finally i cant stand maka and her goody two shoes attitude...go blackstar!

[Captain Roronoa Zoro]

telling stein on blackstar when she could of just tryed to work with him first and then crying about it when she didnt get her way.... tht just pisses me off

[FlareKnight]

finally this episode came :) i was waiting ever since i read it in the manga...

i have to argue with that comments... yea blackstar is strong:rolleyes: but he still a dick... i dont really see maka as the goody two shoes at all... if u pay attention she is the only one who has to struggle to become strong..even though she started off in the series almost making soul a death scythe? how ironic that she is one of the weakest now?:mad: but im only saying that cuz i like maka more then blackstar... i would say out of all the pairs he has to be my 4th favorite..Well good thing is everyone having their own view on the characters. Might get a bit boring otherwise. Though I'd disagree that Black Star hasn't had to struggle. Its not like he got strong from laying on a coach eating chips. The guy trained his ass off and has gotten the reward of that hard work by being in excellent shape. The Fey Blade has been a difficult journey and he still hasn't mastered it. Maka has definitely put in the effort or she and Soul wouldn't have been 1 soul away from the goal.

I wouldn't call them weak as a team. The Black Blood makes things difficult overall. But if Maka can keep her head steady and fight to her ability she can do really well. Just a different set of skills and fighting style compared to Black Star. Though in the end not sure what being a goody two shoes has to do with work ethic.

[lmd_84]

finally this episode came :) i was waiting ever since i read it in the manga...

i have to argue with that comments... yea blackstar is strong:rolleyes: but he still a dick... i dont really see maka as the goody two shoes at all... if u pay attention she is the only one who has to struggle to become strong..even though she started off in the series almost making soul a death scythe? how ironic that she is one of the weakest now?:mad: but im only saying that cuz i like maka more then blackstar... i would say out of all the pairs he has to be my 4th favorite..

Weakness is a matter of perspective. What Maka lacks in physical strength, she makes up for in other ways. Which is one of the reasons why she and Black Star didn't get on here. Maka is determined to succeed because she wants to protect people. For the most part all Black Star is determined to do is become powerful. Period.

I can see why Maka, who has a goal that's on occasion put her own safety at risk for the sake of others, finds Black Star's apparent single-mindedness so aggravating. Neither of them reacted well here, but I'm with Maka on this one.

[Keiichi_chan]

Isn't Maka technically the weakest since she can't properly even pull of Resonance yet?
I mean, we have yet to see Witch Hunting even connect when she does it,right?
I do think she's probably the smartest and best strategist, so her being the leader makes the most sense, but it'd be pretty easy to have doubts about trusting to life to someone clearly weaker than you. B*S's attitude is a little mean, but it's understandable.

Not to mention, Maka and Soul seem to have tons of problems ever getting on the same page during battles which is like fighting with one arm tied behind your back while Kid and B*S seem to be totally in sync with their partners. Say what you will about his attitude, B*S consistantly saves Maka's ass during pretty much every single group battle.

[Captain Roronoa Zoro]

if anyone should be leader it should be kid

[Iron Maw]

telling stein on blackstar when she could of just tryed to work with him first and then crying about it when she didnt get her way.... tht just pisses me off

She did mutiple times.

Isn't Maka technically the weakest since she can't properly even pull of Resonance yet?
I mean, we have yet to see Witch Hunting even connect when she does it,right?

That was only back in episode 4. She's able use Witch Hunter just fine since than. See Free and Crona's fights.

I do think she's probably the smartest and best strategist, so her being the leader makes the most sense, but it'd be pretty easy to have doubts about trusting to life to someone clearly weaker than you. B*S's attitude is a little mean, but it's understandable.

But, that wasn't what the issue was about, since Stein didn't choose her as until after training was complete, also she isn't far him in strength anyway.

Not to mention, Maka and Soul seem to have tons of problems ever getting on the same page during battles which is like fighting with one arm tied behind your back while Kid and B*S seem to be totally in sync with their partners. Say what you will about his attitude, B*S consistantly saves Maka's ass during pretty much every single group battle.

Not really, while they do argue sometimes they usually have the same mind about what their doing. B*S saving Maka in group battles isn't true at all. In the fight with Sid, Maka most dodged Sid's attacks whil B*S got knock around and at the end, he used Trap Star without warring trappping her and Sid together. During the Free fight he completely useless until the end of the Battle.

if anyone should be leader it should be kid

:heh:I love Kid, but he's got too many issues to ever be the Leader of anything.

[JunkKitty]

Isn't Maka technically the weakest since she can't properly even pull of Resonance yet?
I mean, we have yet to see Witch Hunting even connect when she does it,right?

Bu--wha? She was the first we saw pull off Resonance, and it was remarked (mutiple times) that they managed it surprisingly young.
Since the first "successful" attempt against Stein (he was, obviously, simply stronger), she's used it against Free (an immortal), Chrona (impervious to cutting attacks), and in another fight that is a spoiler here.

Sorry that this ended up as a rant, but Maka can use Witchhunter just fine, she has pretty much only faced unusually major opponents that most Shibusen students have never had to cross with. Its bad luck (or, in truth, being the main characters), not lack of skill or ability.

Its totally different from Black*Star, who's solo fights have ONLY been against a guy who hasn't been fighting him seriously and doesn't want to kill him either. MAJOR contrast. Maybe it's time to point out that B*S has only won 2 fights in the entire series so far, and both of them were fake fights. B*S has no leg to stand on, he's only all macho facade who hasn't really even brought his hyped-up strength to the table yet. It's a bit funny how he's been more successful as support so far, rather than as the all-powerful attacker he's supposed to be.

I think anyone wanting to understand why there's such a rift between Maka and B*S right now would do well to go back and review the Free and Anniversary battles where B*S was useless but Maka pushed herself way beyond where she had been and gained some achievements. There's understandable angst there.

[FlareKnight]

Its totally different from Black*Star, who's solo fights have ONLY been against a guy who hasn't been fighting him seriously and doesn't want to kill him either. MAJOR contrast. Maybe it's time to point out that B*S has only won 2 fights in the entire series so far, and both of them were fake fights. B*S has no leg to stand on, he's only all macho facade who hasn't really even brought his hyped-up strength to the table yet. It's a bit funny how he's been more successful as support so far, rather than as the all-powerful attacker he's supposed to be.Wow had I had idea Masamune didn't want to kill Black Star :rolleyes:. You know since the shadow attacks seemed like they were an attempt to kill. Seemed like a real fight to me, both sides using weapons trying to take each other out. I think anyone wanting to understand why there's such a rift between Maka and B*S right now would do well to go back and review the Free and Anniversary battles where B*S was useless but Maka pushed herself way beyond where she had been and gained some achievements. There's understandable angst there.Honestly that's a bit over the top amount of hate being pointed at Black Star. No doubt Black Star messed up with the Free bridge battle. Was reckless to use an ability with a time limit like that instead of going with normal methods first. Though Maka was pretty foolish and almost got herself killed as well. If Tsubaki hadn't dealt with her and Soul that bridge battle would have been a disaster. Really we should be giving the achievement to Tsubaki for dealing with all of them :D. But your right throwing Tsubaki to cut off Free's arm and thus save Maka from falling to her death was totally useless. He should have just sat there :heh:. Maka definitely pulled it together and at the end of the day got the job done. But would go a bit far to say both she and Black Star were perfect on that bridge.

They didn't stop the resurrection, but useless is just taking the bias overboard. Part of the blame is with Maka as it is for letting her personal grudges go over the set up plan. With the ability to attack with his soul waves Black Star likely could have won that fight faster and the three of them could have gone in there to stop Free and Eruka. Besides Black Star got Kid from ripping his head off when his disorder kicked in. Kind of funny how Maka pushing herself beyond her limits is an achievement and yet Black Star pushing his body beyond the limits to try and stop Eruka is being useless. But, that wasn't what the issue was about, since Stein didn't choose her as until after training was complete, also she isn't far him in strength anyway.Maka has her strengths and works well with them. Maybe pure power (minus the Black Blood mode) isn't quite at the same level as Black Star. But she has good agility and can swing Soul with more than enough force. Some people work well leading a group and some don't. It was the right call at the end of the day.Not really, while they do argue sometimes they usually have the same mind about what their doing. B*S saving Maka in group battles isn't true at all. In the fight with Sid, Maka most dodged Sid's attacks while B*S got knock around and at the end, he used Trap Star without warring trappping her and Sid together. During the Free fight he completely useless until the end of the Battle.Thought they worked well as a team in that Sid battle. Maka definitely did a better job avoiding hits. Didn't charge in recklessly more than once from what I can remember. Would recommend re-watching the Sid fight though since Black Star did help Maka out a handful of times in the fight. Besides if we're going to fault Black Star for trapping an ally with Sid, have to give Maka a minus for almost killing her ally when messing up the Witch Hunter. :heh:I love Kid, but he's got too many issues to ever be the Leader of anything.The fun irony there is he'll probably be leading all of Shibusen some day when he takes over as Shinigami :heh:. Agree he needs to avoid having breakdowns in the middle of a situation before he can be leading. Besides think its the right call for leader of the group.

Anyways in the end I'll admit to having my bias. Though trying to see the both sides with Maka and Black Star.

[Reincarnated]

Well since I'm siding with Maka , I have to say her being jealous just because she can't understand , why a fool (ehm no flame) like Black*Star can be stronger just with physical practice , yet she struggled so hard to fight to be stronger but can't beat him yet. (aside from her smart way to find enemy's weakness when she attack + witch hunter + black blood)

I do love her for being jealous , reminded me that she is still a child , and have a bad side too. Can't say much either. She is a girl , so maybe that's why she's so emotional :heh:

[Iron Maw]

But your right throwing Tsubaki to cut off Free's arm and thus save Maka from falling to her death was totally useless. He should have just sat there :heh:. Maka definitely pulled it together and at the end of the day got the job done. But would go a bit far to say both she and Black Star were perfect on that bridge.

I did say "until the end". So I did acknowledged him for his part.;)

They didn't stop the resurrection, but useless is just taking the bias overboard. Part of the blame is with Maka as it is for letting her personal grudges go over the set up plan. With the ability to attack with his soul waves Black Star likely could have won that fight faster and the three of them could have gone in there to stop Free and Eruka. Besides Black Star got Kid from ripping his head off when his disorder kicked in. Kind of funny how Maka pushing herself beyond her limits is an achievement and yet Black Star pushing his body beyond the limits to try and stop Eruka is being useless.

I never said B*S wasn't ever strong or, useful. My point is B*S isn't perfect either.

Maka has her strengths and works well with them. Maybe pure power (minus the Black Blood mode) isn't quite at the same level as Black Star. But she has good agility and can swing Soul with more than enough force. Some people work well leading a group and some don't. It was the right call at the end of the day.Thought they worked well as a team in that Sid battle. Maka definitely did a better job avoiding hits. Didn't charge in recklessly more than once from what I can remember. Would recommend re-watching the Sid fight though since Black Star did help Maka out a handful of times in the fight. Besides if we're going to fault Black Star for trapping an ally with Sid, have to give Maka a minus for almost killing her ally when messing up the Witch Hunter. The fun irony there is he'll probably be leading all of Shibusen some day when he takes over as Shinigami :heh:. Agree he needs to avoid having breakdowns in the middle of a situation before he can be leading. Besides think its the right call for leader of the group.

I actually, credit B*S overall with the Sid fight since he did catch him in the end despite mishaps.

Anyways in the end I'll admit to having my bias. Though trying to see the both sides with Maka and Black Star.

There isn't anything wrong with favoring another character as long as you don't let it cloud your judgement. B*S is probably the strongest overall at this point, but that does not make him infallible nor, the others weak.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

A good episode. Not the best since not much happened, IMO.

I feel bad for Stein. He knows he's going mad, but can't do anything to stop it, nor does he know what to do at all. I wonder if the SHinigami is fully aware of his situation. I dougt it because he probably doesn't know about Medusa's revival nor the Snake Medusa managed to sneak into Marie's system.

[Ronin Aquila]

Hmm, nobody has made a big deal over Black*Star hitting Maka yet.

Ah good. That is a comforting sign that (on these forums, at least) that society is REALLY becoming more sexually egalitarian. ;)

[Keiichi_chan]

She did mutiple times.
There's a difference between talking it out with someone and what Maka did.
She basically blamed him for everything(when it was in part her fault,too) and then yelled at him to stop screwing it up. Noone would respond to that well. And B*S complained about Maka being leader but he didnt sink so low to try and TELL ON HER, thus getting her thrown out of the class. That was pretty underhanded.

Not really, while they do argue sometimes they usually have the same mind about what their doing. B*S saving Maka in group battles isn't true at all. In the fight with Sid, Maka most dodged Sid's attacks whil B*S got knock around and at the end, he used Trap Star without warring trappping her and Sid together. During the Free fight he completely useless until the end of the Battle.
When Maka tripped during Witch Hunting and Sid was gonna finish her off, B*S stepped in and saved her kneck. That's not exactly useless, is it?

And "fake" fight or not, ALL the enemies B*S fought were at the least fighting to injure their opponent at least and failed against him. It's not like Mifune was trying to tickle him into submission. He was trying to cripple or knock him unconscious so he'd stopped fighting but couldn't. The same goes for Sid and Frankenstein. Not to mention B*S being able to harness ANOTHER weapon inside of Tsubaki AND being able to use his wavelength without a weapon at all. Like the Shinigami said, he's clearly a fighting prodigy. When it comes to brains and focus, he comes up short, but when it comes to sheer skill, he's at the top.

[FlareKnight]

Hmm, nobody has made a big deal over Black*Star hitting Maka yet.

Ah good. That is a comforting sign that (on these forums, at least) that society is REALLY becoming more sexually egalitarian. ;)Its really a beautiful thing. Guys hitting girls, girls hitting guys guess that's some kind of equality :heh:. Probably helped that Maka literally asked for it. Though might be best if Maka and Black Star in the future find better ways to settle things. A good episode. Not the best since not much happened, IMO.

I feel bad for Stein. He knows he's going mad, but can't do anything to stop it, nor does he know what to do at all. I wonder if the SHinigami is fully aware of his situation. I dougt it because he probably doesn't know about Medusa's revival nor the Snake Medusa managed to sneak into Marie's system.Well I think Shinigami is probably aware that Stein is nearing his limits. But maybe the thinking is that its best to use Stein much as possible before that point. Honestly don't know what kind of plan is in place anyways for when that point is reached. Do they intend to just lock him up until Asura is taken down and hopefully the insanity level drops?There isn't anything wrong with favoring another character as long as you don't let it cloud your judgement. B*S is probably the strongest overall at this point, but that does not make him infallible nor, the others weak.Agree with you completely there. He can definitely screw up with the best of them. Was careless against Mifune in the first fight, used the Fey Blade when he shouldn't have against Free, and got a nasty hit when using the Speed Star against Masamune. When he's focused can be an excellent attacker overall. Just a question of using his head. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses I think. Long as we remember that things will turn out fine.

[Jehuty]

Kidd is able to resonate with anyone without a single problem because he's Shinigami's son. FFS he was out killing powerful monsters on his own and he's one of the few to use not one but two weapons with absolute ease. His expertise will allow him to resonate with anyone, no matter who it is. His fault lies in his obsession with symmetry, so he cannot be the leader.

Maka would probably be the best strategist, but I do feel she's the weaker of the 3. I just wish they would make her out to be as awesome as she seemed in the first episode. But, she is more able to keep a cool head when she's in incredibly dangerous situations, so her leadership role is indeed fitting for her.

Black Star, though... man. He's got untapped potential within him, but apparently there is also a very deep evil within him. However, it *is* the best attacker of all, as he's the only one to actually land punches on opponents (Stein, Sid). But he's too rash to be leading anything ever. Using him as the main attacker and support (ninja skills!) is what suits him best.

The whole animosity between the two seemed off to me though. Granted, they resolve it, but still... It just felt forced.

[Hisago]

Why do you say Black Star is evil? Sure he's impulsive and selfish at times, but I've yet to see him do anything outright malicious...

[Seraphis]

I really liked this episode for some reason. Soul Eater is the only anime in which I watch 100% of each episode. The OP, all of the episode and the ED + preview without skipping any part.

I agree with Black Star, Maka was as selfish as him during that test.

@ The guy said Black Star hasn't won many fights: Wasn't he going around challenging most of Shibusens meisters to duels, and is as of yet undefeated?

[Guardian Enzo]

Teacher's f*&ing pet...

[FlareKnight]

I really liked this episode for some reason. Soul Eater is the only anime in which I watch 100% of each episode. The OP, all of the episode and the ED + preview without skipping any part.

I agree with Black Star, Maka was as selfish as him during that test.

@ The guy said Black Star hasn't won many fights: Wasn't he going around challenging most of Shibusens meisters to duels, and is as of yet undefeated?Oddly enough even I forgot about that. Probably since we were just told about them and only saw him beat Ox. But is true that he's been going around fighting Meister teams by himself which isn't a bad accomplishment no matter who he has been fighting.

[lmd_84]

Kidd is able to resonate with anyone without a single problem because he's Shinigami's son. FFS he was out killing powerful monsters on his own and he's one of the few to use not one but two weapons with absolute ease. His expertise will allow him to resonate with anyone, no matter who it is. His fault lies in his obsession with symmetry, so he cannot be the leader.

Maka would probably be the best strategist, but I do feel she's the weaker of the 3. I just wish they would make her out to be as awesome as she seemed in the first episode. But, she is more able to keep a cool head when she's in incredibly dangerous situations, so her leadership role is indeed fitting for her.

Black Star, though... man. He's got untapped potential within him, but apparently there is also a very deep evil within him. However, it *is* the best attacker of all, as he's the only one to actually land punches on opponents (Stein, Sid). But he's too rash to be leading anything ever. Using him as the main attacker and support (ninja skills!) is what suits him best.

The whole animosity between the two seemed off to me though. Granted, they resolve it, but still... It just felt forced.

I don't see Black Star as evil as such. He's single-minded, ambitious, but not intentionally cruel in his determination. He just has trouble accepting that other people's perspectives differ from his, and that he is, at the end of the day, just human.

We don't know Kid can resonate with who he feels like. We just haven't seen it become a problem with him, because despite how he and Liz have their disagreements, it's never gotten to the level of Maka's 'strength' issues a while back.

Indeed, all the little arguments and symmetry issues between Kid and the Thompsons seems to be all surface if we accept what Stein said about the bond of mutual admiration and respect between them. IIRC, there's no indication that he can resonate with any Weapon/Tech just because he's a shinigami.

@FlareKnight - On the one hand, I think generally a Tech being able to fight on his/her own is a good thing. On the other, knowing how important resonance between team-members is in battle, I'm not sure Black Star abandoning Tsubaki for the sake of his own ambition/power is entirely a good thing.

He just doesn't know when to back down, and the fact he's now leaving her behind at a point when they need to be able to cooperate in order to face the presence inside Tsubaki leads me to think that he might be making a mistake here.

[Iron Maw]

There's a difference between talking it out with someone and what Maka did.
She basically blamed him for everything(when it was in part her fault,too) and then yelled at him to stop screwing it up. Noone would respond to that well. And B*S complained about Maka being leader but he didnt sink so low to try and TELL ON HER, thus getting her thrown out of the class. That was pretty underhanded..

Except it was mostly his fault and he went far to say he didn't need to do lesson because he's "God" after failing instead admitting his mistake. Does that sound like someone who can be reason with? He'll rarely ever accept anyones view, but his own. Look at how he attacked Kid back in episode 6 for something as petty as more people talking him than himself.

I can easily see why Maka did what she did. She did go too far when she punched him as she let anger get the better of her making her not too much better than him.

B*S's character is one that does not like to make compromises, it's his way or, no way. Everyone who know him knows that. It's reason why Soul won't work with him and Tsubaki can. I like the fact that he has ambition and drive but, if he keeps up single minded view he has it's going to hard for him to from relationships with anyone. It also liable to get him or, Tsubaki killed.


When Maka tripped during Witch Hunting and Sid was gonna finish her off, B*S stepped in and saved her kneck. That's not exactly useless, is it?

That never happend. Sid actually went underground afterward, out fear of Witch Hunter, and attacked Maka from there.

And "fake" fight or not, ALL the enemies B*S fought were at the least fighting to injure their opponent at least and failed against him. It's not like Mifune was trying to tickle him into submission.

I agree that B*S had beaten Mifune the first time regardless of whether he was holding back at that point, it's Mifune's fault for taking him lightly.

He was trying to cripple or knock him unconscious so he'd stopped fighting but couldn't. The same goes for Sid and Frankenstein.

Actually, Stein did knock him out and we already know Sid wasn't even serious with them back then.

Not to mention B*S being able to harness ANOTHER weapon inside of Tsubaki AND being able to use his wavelength without a weapon at all. Like the Shinigami said, he's clearly a fighting prodigy.

That doesn't mean crap, if he can't do his job or, keeps charging head long at opponent due to being arrogrant than being beat up.

Shingami has spoke quite highly of all 3 Meisters so, that doesn't make him special there either.

When it comes to brains and focus, he comes up short, but when it comes to sheer skill, he's at the top.

I agree for the most part, but unless his view starts broading people weaker and stronger than him will beat him normally. I hope one day Tsubaki can talk some sense to him.

[The Monarch of Roses]

I don't see Black Star as evil as such. He's single-minded, ambitious, but not intentionally cruel in his determination. He just has trouble accepting that other people's perspectives differ from his, and that he is, at the end of the day, just human.

We don't know Kid can resonate with who he feels like. We just haven't seen it become a problem with him, because despite how he and Liz have their disagreements, it's never gotten to the level of Maka's 'strength' issues a while back.

Indeed, all the little arguments and symmetry issues between Kid and the Thompsons seems to be all surface if we accept what Stein said about the bond of mutual admiration and respect between them. IIRC, there's no indication that he can resonate with any Weapon/Tech just because he's a shinigami.

@FlareKnight - On the one hand, I think generally a Tech being able to fight on his/her own is a good thing. On the other, knowing how important resonance between team-members is in battle, I'm not sure Black Star abandoning Tsubaki for the sake of his own ambition/power is entirely a good thing.

He just doesn't know when to back down, and the fact he's now leaving her behind at a point when they need to be able to cooperate in order to face the presence inside Tsubaki leads me to think that he might be making a mistake here.

To me, it doesn't seem as if BS is abandoning Tsubaki so much as he is trying to better himself in order to face the being within Tsubaki. His tireless training is all due to him trying to understand that prescence.

[Iron Maw]

I thought his training was more in response to losing to Mifune.

[FlareKnight]

I thought his training was more in response to losing Mifune.I think losing to Mifune hit something home to him anyways. Especially in those fights against Mifune it was noted that Tsubaki was an exceptional weapon. The first fight was connected to that in how he wouldn't have lasted so long if she wasn't a strong weapon. They are different but it almost felt like what Maka was trying to do after losing to Chrona. That drive to get stronger and catch up to their weapons. Black Star is probably pushing himself so its not his skill level that causes them to lose. Pushing himself with trying to master the Fey Blade and fighting other meister teams is part of it. Also think Asura being set loose has contributed to the change in him as well.

So I don't think he's trying to abandon Tsubaki. Just that he's trying to strengthen himself separately so when they do fight together they are at a higher level. The meister fights are probably his personal training and then he goes with her to work on grasping that other presence within Tsubaki. Do think its going to lead to a bad situation at some point. Like on the bridge vs Free. Because Maka and Soul couldn't align it could have ended badly. Or when Maka tried to tackle Free who is immortal off a bridge :heh:. Now if Black Star wasn't hasty it wouldn't have mattered but I'm trying to focus on that one moment.

At least that's how I'm looking at it.Except it was mostly his fault and he went far to say he didn't need to do lesson because he's "God" after failing instead admitting his mistake. Does that sound like someone who can be reason with? He'll rarely ever accept anyones view, but his own. Look at how he attacked Kid back in episode 6 for something as petty as more people talking him than himself.

I can easily see why Maka did what she did. She did go too far when she punched him as she let anger get the better of her making her not too much better than him.I'd like to see the break down of responsibility in percentages :heh:. Since even Stein noticed it wasn't just about Black Star wanting to take lead in the group resonance. It was also due to how Maka has felt about Black Star for a while now. Ever since that fight against Masamune its been sitting under the surface. You can't possibly work out a group resonance if you've got that kind of feeling for one of the other participants sitting in the back of your mind. Both of them messed it up and both weren't likely to accept their role in why it failed. Not like Black Star was the only person in that fight. Kid started it for a stupid reason like minor property damage and SOul really had no reason but decided to fight also. It was a fight of idiots at the end of the day.

Do like slipping that bit in there. Maka throws the first punch but that still makes her better than Black Star is :p.
B*S's character is one that does not like to make compromises, it's his way or, no way. Everyone who know him knows that. It's reason why Soul won't work with him and Tsubaki can. I like the fact that he has ambition and drive but, if he keeps up single minded view he has it's going to hard for him to from relationships with anyone. It also liable to get him or, Tsubaki killed.Agree Black Star has issues making compromises with people. Though its not like that flaw doesn't fall with Maka at times either. Instead of trying to work things out even if it meant differing a bit she just skipped the whole exercise. At the very least she believed Black Star wouldn't listen to her so she went and tried to get him booted out. I'm really putting them both on equal footing in terms of fault. Not to mention if she doesn't like someone's point of view she'll just hit them over the head to shut them up. Even if you put it in a comical sense that's far from a positive personality trait.

Besides its not like Black Star won't make compromises. If he was like that would have picked a fight with Maka and Chrona in the race to stop Asura from coming back. Instead he realized how important that fight was for her and let her do what she wanted.

[Iron Maw]

I think losing to Mifune hit something home to him anyways. Especially in those fights against Mifune it was noted that Tsubaki was an exceptional weapon. The first fight was connected to that in how he wouldn't have lasted so long if she wasn't a strong weapon. They are different but it almost felt like what Maka was trying to do after losing to Chrona. That drive to get stronger and catch up to their weapons. Black Star is probably pushing himself so its not his skill level that causes them to lose. Pushing himself with trying to master the Fey Blade and fighting other meister teams is part of it. Also think Asura being set loose has contributed to the change in him as well.

That sounds pretty reasonable.

So I don't think he's trying to abandon Tsubaki. Just that he's trying to strengthen himself separately so when they do fight together they are at a higher level. The meister fights are probably his personal training and then he goes with her to work on grasping that other presence within Tsubaki. Do think its going to lead to a bad situation at some point. Like on the bridge vs Free. Because Maka and Soul couldn't align it could have ended badly. Or when Maka tried to tackle Free who is immortal off a bridge :heh:. Now if Black Star wasn't hasty it wouldn't have mattered but I'm trying to focus on that one moment.

At least that's how I'm looking at it.

I don't think that will happen. Unlike the Demon in Soul's head, the sword may not be inherently sinister and Tsubaki wants him to master it, she just doesn't want to be left out of the process.

At least that's how I'm looking at it.I'd like to see the break down of responsibility in percentages :heh:. Since even Stein noticed it wasn't just about Black Star wanting to take lead in the group resonance. It was also due to how Maka has felt about Black Star for a while now. Ever since that fight against Masamune its been sitting under the surface. You can't possibly work out a group resonance if you've got that kind of feeling for one of the other participants sitting in the back of your mind. Both of them messed it up and both weren't likely to accept their role in why it failed.

I didn't say she wasn't part of the problem it just seemed from Stein's comment
he was bigger factor as even Kid was blown away.

However, I don't disagree with what you said.

Not like Black Star was the only person in that fight. Kid started it for a stupid reason like minor property damage and SOul really had no reason but decided to fight also. It was a fight of idiots at the end of the day.

Yeah, but I'm just stating that it was his idea.

Do like slipping that bit in there. Maka throws the first punch but that still makes her better than Black Star is :p.

I'm refering to the fact he ended up taunting her into the fight even when he knew tensions were bad instead of ignoring it. Maka doesn't make the deicisons it's Stein who does.

Agree Black Star has issues making compromises with people. Though its not like that flaw doesn't fall with Maka at times either. Instead of trying to work things out even if it meant differing a bit she just skipped the whole exercise. At the very least she believed Black Star wouldn't listen to her so she went and tried to get him booted out.

Well, I like said before, they did do it a lot before she got frustrated with him. I'm guessing his comment not needing partnerships/teamwork which what the lesson was about sent her over the edge, and made him sound like a jerk. Remember Stein said he would cut them from his classes they if didn't pass so saying what B*S did doesn't sound like someone who wanted a compromise.

I'm really putting them both on equal footing in terms of fault. Not to mention if she doesn't like someone's point of view she'll just hit them over the head to shut them up. Even if you put it in a comical sense that's far from a positive personality trait.

That's true, but she normally isn't like that, anger got the better of her that time.
She did end up making it up to him at the end.

Besides its not like Black Star won't make compromises. If he was like that would have picked a fight with Maka and Chrona in the race to stop Asura from coming back. Instead he realized how important that fight was for her and let her do what she wanted.

Okay, I should have said "rarely" makes compromises.;) Still in the end they both contributed badly to issue, and worked it out at the end.

[The Monarch of Roses]

I thought his training was more in response to losing to Mifune.

If you recall Mifune told Black Star that he must try to understand the being within Tsubaki, although; I suppose it could be both.

Mifune:
http://www.onemanga.com/Soul_Eater/28/40/

[hina-ichigo]

Well that was not the best episode really but they cant all totaly fab, wow Maka can scream though shes like a foghorn!:D

[Keiichi_chan]

The whole animosity between the two seemed off to me though. Granted, they resolve it, but still... It just felt forced.
I agree totally. They seemed fine with each other to the point of being friend uptil now.
Although I can easily see them disagreeing, it getting that heated and both of them being THAT bitter just seemed crowbarred in.

I can easily see why Maka did what she did. She did go too far when she punched him as she let anger get the better of her making her not too much better than him.
As much as i like Maka as a character, she's consistantly been the least reliable in a battle past episode one. She just always seems to push herself way to hard, way too fast. Like she's so eager to prove herself that she's constantly doing totally reckless things. I mean, comeon, leaping off a bridge to finish an opponent that was already beaten?
It sounds like you're letting your biased shape your reasoning here. I can understand WHY Maka reacted that way, it still doesnt make it cool. B*S has had that show-boating style from the beginning, and all of a sudden Maka decides she's going to throw a tantrum and try to get him thrown out of class because of it? Lame.
I agree that B*S had beaten Mifune the first time regardless of whether he was holding back at that point, it's Mifune's fault for taking him lightly.

Mifune couldnt have been holding back really, despite what Angela said, Mifune's mistake was sparing him. He was trying to protect Angela, so I doubt he was fighting with kid's gloves just for some random kid simply because B*S was a kid,too. That would be dumb because in the end, losing to B*S would mean he'd get Angela killed in the end anyways. That "holding back" thing is just bs to hype up Mifune's powers the second time around. He had to be fighting seriously enough to win or else he'd be risking Angela's life for no reason.
Actually, Stein did knock him out and we already know Sid wasn't even serious with them back then.
It was a lesson, ofcourse he wasnt trying to kill but he still fought them head on. It's not as if he's pulling punches just because he wasnt going for the kill. If anything held him back, it was fighting without a weapon.
That doesn't mean crap, if he can't do his job or, keeps charging head long at opponent due to being arrogrant than being beat up.
Maka does the exact same thing. The only difference is B*S gets distracted by his constant bragging during fights. Maka gets distracted by her constant self doubt or need to prove herself and reach the next plateu.
Well, I like said before, they did do it a lot before she got frustrated with him. I'm guessing his comment not needing partnerships/teamwork which what the lesson was about sent her over the edge, and made him sound like a jerk. Remember Stein said he would cut them from his classes they if didn't pass so saying what B*S did doesn't sound like someone who wanted a compromise.

This is, B*S was being a total brat and Maka could've easily handled that by just letting him have his way so they could get through the lesson, because passing is more important than her personal ego. Instead, she reacted just immaturely and tried to deck him, then trying to get him kicked out. Once that didnt work, she actually ran off, risking ALL of her teammates getting thrown out of class because of her emotional whims.

[Iron Maw]

I agree totally. They seemed fine with each other to the point of being friend uptil now.
Although I can easily see them disagreeing, it getting that heated and both of them being THAT bitter just seemed crowbarred in.

I don't think so actually. This not the first time this has happened. Soul and B*S had tried match the Wavelengths together in episode 6, but it ended in failure and Soul even went as far as to state if kept doing that he would hate him.

The training worked a similar way only it was Meister to Meister channeling their Wavelengths instead of Meister to Weapon.


As much as i like Maka as a character, she's consistantly been the least reliable in a battle past episode one. She just always seems to push herself way to hard, way too fast. Like she's so eager to prove herself that she's constantly doing totally reckless things. I mean, comeon, leaping off a bridge to finish an opponent that was already beaten?

She hasn't any more reckless than other two have been and Free wasn't defeated yet since she only cut off his which been cased with ice.

B*S charged Free with weapon he hadn't gotten use to and knocked himself. If Free had planning to attack him he be dead.

Kid back in episode 3 sat there taking beatings for inane reasons from the Pharoh before came out of his coffin not to mention he got distracted looking at sun back in episode 15 letitng Crona and the Flying Dutchman escape.

It sounds like you're letting your biased shape your reasoning here. I can understand WHY Maka reacted that way, it still doesnt make it cool. B*S has had that show-boating style from the beginning, and all of a sudden Maka decides she's going to throw a tantrum and try to get him thrown out of class because of it? Lame.

Like Flare Knight and I pointed out there was more to it this time, plus B*S horrible record of matching his Wavelength to anyone, but Tsubaki who matches herself to HIM. There was no way that this was going to be an easy process.

Mifune couldnt have been holding back really, despite what Angela said, Mifune's mistake was sparing him. He was trying to protect Angela, so I doubt he was fighting with kid's gloves just for some random kid simply because B*S was a kid,too. That would be dumb because in the end, losing to B*S would mean he'd get Angela killed in the end anyways. That "holding back" thing is just bs to hype up Mifune's powers the second time around. He had to be fighting seriously enough to win or else he'd be risking Angela's life for no reason.

Except, even B*S admitted, Mifune had back, when spare his life half-way through the fight by attacking with blunt side of his sword. Mifune had been stronger than B*S then and he still is now. That doesn't mean it can't change, but this where it stands now.

It was a lesson, ofcourse he wasnt trying to kill but he still fought them head on. It's not as if he's pulling punches just because he wasnt going for the kill. If anything held him back, it was fighting without a weapon.

Stein didn't need a Weapon to defeat B*S and Maka, with their inexprience and undeveloped combat ability at that point, they didn't stand much of a chance.

Maka does the exact same thing. The only difference is B*S gets distracted by his constant bragging during fights. Maka gets distracted by her constant self doubt or need to prove herself and reach the next plateu.

But those had only happened during the times when she was fight Crona.
She wasn't like that when she faught Jack the Ripper, Sid, Free, Giriko and Arachne (when she was inside the Golem). While Maka definitley isn't perfect she is certainly the most competent of the 3 which why she's chosen as the leader.

B*S brags with nearly every opponent he fights, it's his quirk. The Masamune arc is one few times when he was serious and he was great there, along with the second fight with Mifune. He truly shines he gets to that point, but it's not very often he does that.

This is, B*S was being a total brat and Maka could've easily handled that by just letting him have his way so they could get through the lesson, because passing is more important than her personal ego.

The TSR training doesn't work that way, and the point was Maka had to accept him for who he is or, they wouldn't get anywhere.

Instead, she reacted just immaturely and tried to deck him, then trying to get him kicked out. Once that didnt work, she actually ran off, risking ALL of her teammates getting thrown out of class because of her emotional whims.

Except that was a result of B*S instigating her to fight to him when she was already angry with him. If B*S cared about getting on with the training he did poor showing of it which why Tsubaki smack him on his head. He just just as big of a part to play in as she did.

[Keiichi_chan]

Kid back in episode 3 sat there taking beatings for inane reasons from the Pharoh before came out of his coffin not to mention he got distracted looking at sun back in episode 15 letitng Crona and the Flying Dutchman escape.
Kid has OCD, it's not like he's just goofing around and even considering that, he's hardly reckless. You never see Kid charge in blind the way u see Maka and B*S do.
I don't think so actually. This not the first time this has happened. Soul and B*S had tried match the Wavelengths together in episode 6, but it ended in failure and Soul even went as far as to state if kept doing that he would hate him.

That was a dramatic line to add the dramatic/psuedo romantic stuff Soul was spouting. But even considering that, Maka later has the exact same problem with Soul during the Free fight, so it's hardly a problem distinctive to B*S or something you can blame on him.
Except, even B*S admitted, Mifune had back, when spare his life half-way through the fight by attacking with blunt side of his sword. Mifune had been stronger than B*S then and he still is now. That doesn't mean it can't change, but this where it stands now.
Having a chance to kill someone=/=outclassing them in a fighting skill
But those had only happened during the times when she was fight Crona.
During the Free fight she lost her cool and wouldnt listen to anyone else's pleas to stop fighting and tried to force control over the Soul scythe and ended up burning her hands. And she didnt overcome it during the fight, she just fought with her hands being burned and the scythe being really heavy.
B*S brags with nearly every opponent he fights, it's his quirk. The Masamune arc is one few times when he was serious and he was great there, along with the second fight with Mifune. He truly shines he gets to that point, but it's not very often he does that.
You're acting like he didnt take out that villager possessed by Tsubaki's brother. He brags, gets kicked around until he gets serious, then wins the fight almost all always so far. The 2nd Mifune fight is the only exception and you can argue, he didnt lose since he was still willing to keep going, he just got interrupted.
The TSR training doesn't work that way, and the point was Maka had to accept him for who he is or, they wouldn't get anywhere.

I really took the point of that test, being more along the line of "you dont have to understand each other, you just have to TRUST each other."
I never said B*S wasnt to blame, but it was defintely Maka who held them up .

[Reincarnated]

It's getting longer and more interesting here. *looks above*
I can't say anything since I couldn't follow what you two arguing here.

What I know is , Maka and BlackStar both have a bad temper.

[Keiichi_chan]

lol. :nods in agreement:

[Zirdante]

"But, that wasn't what the issue was about, since Stein didn't choose her as until after training was complete, also she isn't far him in strength anyway."

Think it has something to do with Kid's and black star's soul's going into maka which made her the best suited for leader?

[Iron Maw]

Kid has OCD, it's not like he's just goofing around and even considering that, he's hardly reckless. You never see Kid charge in blind the way u see Maka and B*S do.

What? Getting yourself beating to death while worring hell out patners "is playing around"? He's OCD is exactly what makes him unreilable, spazing out during missions isn't anymore reckless.

BTW, Maka does not charge her opponents, that's B*S game. Her issues are related more to a lack-confidence in her own abilities, ever since the fight Crona.

That was a dramatic line to add the dramatic/psuedo romantic stuff Soul was spouting.

It's not though and certainly applies because doing anything different than any other Meister and Weapon combo. The thing about comedy in SE is that it carries always an element of truth. Kid being beat up by Mummy in episode 3 due raging OCD is an example, his OCD will cause him to do stupid things depend on whats going on.

But even considering that, Maka later has the exact same problem with Soul during the Free fight, so it's hardly a problem distinctive to B*S or something you can blame on him.

Maka and Soul's problems were different from this situation. Their Wavelengh been damage by Steins training por to Free's fight.

Having a chance to kill someone=/=outclassing them in a fighting skill

Seems like you completely missed the second Mifune fight. B*S faught his best and loss period. B*S held nothing back and Mifune still did and won. Mifune is an older more exprienced and superior fighter, if can't see this your the one with bias.

During the Free fight she lost her cool and wouldnt listen to anyone else's pleas to stop fighting and tried to force control over the Soul scythe and ended up burning her hands. And she didnt overcome it during the fight, she just fought with her hands being burned and the scythe being really heavy.

Maka only lost her cool in the fight at one point was she arguing with Soul who had also lost his before Tsubaki so with them. Maka did overcome burning and was perform SR it symblized how strong their bonds were. She had to as she and Soul could only win when they worked together, that was Tsubaki's point.

You're acting like he didnt take out that villager possessed by Tsubaki's brother.

I did.

B*S brags with nearly every opponent he fights, it's his quirk. The Masamune arc is one few times when he was serious and he was great there, along with the second fight with Mifune. He truly shines he gets to that point, but it's not very often he does that.

That was the only fight he had there.

He brags, gets kicked around until he gets serious, then wins the fight almost all always so far. The 2nd Mifune fight is the only exception and you can argue, he didnt lose since he was still willing to keep going, he just got interrupted.

You definitely have major bias towards B*S, he's not the strongest person at Shibusen or, in the series. Stein Mifune and Asura have all beaten him (and Sid held back on him). The Deathscythes and Three Star-Meisters are stronger than him.

He is one of strongest One-star Meisters, along Kid, Maka, Ox, Kilik, and Kim.

I really took the point of that test, being more along the line of "you dont have to understand each other, you just have to TRUST each other."
I never said B*S wasnt to blame, but it was defintely Maka who held them up .

I more or, less said the same thing, and they both held the training up, only Kid didn't do anything wrong.


Think it has something to do with Kid's and black star's soul's going into maka which made her the best suited for leader?

Nah, it had more to do with Maka realizing the "fundamental" part of training.

[Reincarnated]

May I interrupt?


Maka did overcome burning and was perform SR it symblized how strong their bonds were.
To tell you the truth , a SR doesn't have to be affected by a 'bond' (although maybe , it affects). Stein/Spirit's SR proves that. SR ratio can increase due to their limit , depends on how many a meister can handle his/her amplified wavelength.


That was the only fight he had there.

Eventhough Sid wasn't serious during extra lesson , I still have to say B*S is great back there. He was serious at that time and he won. And please remember that he won several duels after that second Mifune fight. Without a weapon.


He is one of strongest One-star Meisters, along Kid, Maka, Ox, Kilik, and Kim.
If I recall correctly , Kid is stronger than B*S. When he's serious , of course.


During the Free fight she lost her cool and wouldnt listen to anyone else's pleas to stop fighting and tried to force control over the Soul scythe and ended up burning her hands. And she didnt overcome it during the fight, she just fought with her hands being burned and the scythe being really heavy.

I think no one tell her to stop fighting in my opinion...and she forced herself because she was distressed , she want to be stronger and once again , she let her emotion took her.

Well I could be wrong. I don't see the details of this anime like you two.
Hope it's not off-topic.

[SuperKnuckles]

Well, they DO make a big thing out of Black Star being the best in frontal confrontations. Which probably is true from the way everyone else, including Kid and Maka acknowledge it without a fuss. Kid has the range and Maka uses her scythe techniques.

[-Sho-]

So maka is the leader's team !The next episode will be great !!!The WAR begin !!!

[Iron Maw]

To tell you the truth , a SR doesn't have to be affected by a 'bond' (although maybe , it affects). Stein/Spirit's SR proves that. SR ratio can increase due to their limit , depends on how many a meister can handle his/her amplified wavelength.

Um, could you clarify about the Stein/Spirit bit? I'm not sure what you mean.

Eventhough Sid wasn't serious during extra lesson , I still have to say B*S is great back there. He was serious at that time and he won. And please remember that he won several duels after that second Mifune fight. Without a weapon.

Sure he did, so did Maka, but that doesn't mean that they stronger than he is, atleast individually otherwise they would be Three-Star Meisters at this point.

If I recall correctly , Kid is stronger than B*S. When he's serious , of course.

That's true for the moment, but with Masamune he's catching up, so is Maka though I can't say why due to spoilers.

[FlareKnight]

It's getting longer and more interesting here. *looks above*
I can't say anything since I couldn't follow what you two arguing here.

What I know is , Maka and BlackStar both have a bad temper.lol. :nods in agreement:Now that's something we can all agree to :). Guess when your fighting for your lives like they do its not bad to feed off your emotions. But a couple of friends with strong personalities can end up bumping heads sometimes. In the end they got over it and can focus on the enemies they will be facing in the future.

[Keiichi_chan]

Seems like you completely missed the second Mifune fight. B*S faught his best and loss period. B*S held nothing back and Mifune still did and won. Mifune is an older more exprienced and superior fighter, if can't see this your the one with bias.
You're beaten once you submit or can no longer fight. B*S was still ready to keep going and I'm not arguing this point anymore since you're ignoring whenever Maka and Soul cant get on the same page during fights BECAUSE Maka's being too reckless. It's a pretty constant theme throughout the series, but if you choose to ignore it then to each his own.

[propa03]

If anyone has seen the late night version of this episode, please pm me

[lmd_84]

Question about the episode, because I think I'm missing something here:

When the three first failed to perform team soul resonance, Stein remarks that Black Star failing wasn't because he wanted to take the lead. If so, then what was it?

Was he simply missing the fundamental that Maka later realised, or is it something more?

[Zirdante]

Question about the episode, because I think I'm missing something here:

When the three first failed to perform team soul resonance, Stein remarks that Black Star failing wasn't because he wanted to take the lead. If so, then what was it?

Was he simply missing the fundamental that Maka later realised, or is it something more?

I think it had more to do with his superiority complex. He is like "I have surpassed God, I don't need you two". But if he really had that mentality, why would he have been there 'training' to do the TSR while being so no-no about team play?

[OutSmart]

Very good 8/10

I liked the episode but I'm too ansious for the "big" battles ahead to feel satisfied after 2/3 episodes that only had 3 min of advance in the storyline each.

Even, so, it was a perfectly enjoyable ep, and I was not expecting that puch from black star, coockie and rep for him ^^

[FlareKnight]

Anyways found the conversation between Black Star and the presence inside Tsubaki pretty interesting. He really can't hide anything if he truly wants the Fey Blade to respond. The core of what is driving him has to be dealt with before he can grow any further.

[Keiichi_chan]

Was he simply missing the fundamental that Maka later realised, or is it something more?
I assumed the reason the chain wasnt working is because Maka didnt want to link with B*S, not the other way around. Which is why it worked later despite B*S' attitude not really changing much.

[Iron Maw]

So, why did Stein mention B*S in the first place it the fault only lied with Maka?

Anyways found the conversation between Black Star and the presence inside Tsubaki pretty interesting. He really can't hide anything if he truly wants the Fey Blade to respond. The core of what is driving him has to be dealt with before he can grow any further.

Of course, he's getting anywhere with out doing that first. But the Sword pointed out that he was more like a Demon, which might mean he could end up like Asura if he's not careful.

[Reincarnated]

^ Well , B*S wanted to take the lead , yet Maka didn't want to be leaded by him. And because of that , Maka asked prof. Stein to kick B*S out , and Stein pointed out if throwing away B*S is good for the team. Maka might be in fault when she asked this . In other hand , if Maka had overwhelmed that jealous feeling but B*S still wanted to take the lead , it won't go nowhere.

That's ,y opinion.

[Iron Maw]

No, that sounds like a good explanation.

[FlareKnight]

Of course, he's getting anywhere with out doing that first. But the Sword pointed out that he was more like a Demon, which might mean he could end up like Asura if he's not careful.Do agree he could get himself into serious trouble if he doesn't face things like his families past head on. Don't know anything about Asura's partner or the guys he was working with. But at least Black Star has some good people around him that should be able to help him if he goes too far.

Guess all of the meisters have things to deal with. Kid has to handle the situation with his father and what is being hidden from him. The Black Blood in Soul is more than enough trouble for Maka to deal with. Then you have Black Star chasing getting stronger too quickly and putting himself at risk.

[Sinestra]

So maka is the leader's team !The next episode will be great !!!The WAR begin !!!

So DAMN excited about this It has begun. Looks we are going to see some of the students involved too. From the preview looks like the entire class went and they are actually involved in the battle. Plus in the new OP they even give some of the regular student their own little spot in the OP. Looks like Kid is not the only one with two weapons.

[HayashiTakara]

Wow for the first time every, the art was weak in this series *shock*

anyway, good episode and I was rather shocked that Black Star hit Maka that hard O_o

[DjTrizz]

Black Star has a niche for being a asshole when he wants to...man did I want to see Kid lay into him, damn interruptions...

[libba]

Isn't Maka technically the weakest since she can't properly even pull of Resonance yet?
I mean, we have yet to see Witch Hunting even connect when she does it,right?
I do think she's probably the smartest and best strategist, so her being the leader makes the most sense, but it'd be pretty easy to have doubts about trusting to life to someone clearly weaker than you. B*S's attitude is a little mean, but it's understandable.

Not to mention, Maka and Soul seem to have tons of problems ever getting on the same page during battles which is like fighting with one arm tied behind your back while Kid and B*S seem to be totally in sync with their partners. Say what you will about his attitude, B*S consistantly saves Maka's ass during pretty much every single group battle.

Had to respond to that, even though it's a pretty old topic. :)
I think it's the Black Blood weakening her. Otherwise her & Soul being one soul away from their goal just doesn't make sense. Okay, Black Star tends to lose opportunities, even though he's strong enough to win them. But what about Kid? If he's stronger than Maka, has better soul resonance (no ifs on this point, he, Liz and Patti seem to be the best partnership in that regard, ironically despite Kid's mental problems and Patti's total lack of concentration), then why hasn't he collected at least the similar amount of souls? If Maka is so weak in comparison to them, how came they haven't gotten that far?
Hmm... kind of strange. Maybe a leap of faith is needed :D

Another interesting point about this group resonance - unlike soul resonance with one's weapon it apparently doesn't require a lot of closeness. Kid and Maka were able to do it easily, but they aren't really close friends, right? They don't have much in common, they knew each other for a short time. They simply never clashed, mostly due to lack of interaction methinks, plus Maka's usually friendly behaviour and Kid's polite manners.