Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

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[rave_master16]

Well as for this episode
It slows down the pace. The couple faces the harsh reality.
Nagisa is having problems in the school. I think she end up in a different classroom. And the theater club has no members except her. And because of this, she was very affected.

As for Tomoya, he got out of the Furukawa family, and now planning of having his own family. It is quite evident he is longing for one. But facing a hard work, maybe too much for him.
What's good in this episode:
~Preview of Nagisa and Tomoya living together.
~Akio and Tomoya father and son-in-law communication
~Different perspective of "watashi no pan ~Sanae"
~And Tomoya finally got a job.
I won't rate this until the subs are released.

[Leo_Otaku]

Great episode I liked the pacing it wasn't too fast nor too slow. They added neat little bits inside. I guess I can't say more until sub comes out so I don't spoil it >.>

[Mecha_Trueno]

well, the sanae no pan joke felt refreshing, aint had one for ages:D

btw, when there was a short frame with jam on the shelves (in the store), was anyone else trying see if THAT jam was there?:heh:

[SidVicious]

Subs are out.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

[quote=rave_master16;2089926]
Nagisa is having problems in the school. I think she end up in a different classroom. And the theater club has no members except her. And because of this, she was very affected.


Well, Then the SOS will take over the theater club classroom as well?

[cbatty]

Ahhhh - I really enjoyed the change of pacein this episode. The story did not feel rushed. It was really refreshing after all the ground we covered last ep.

The baseball scene with Pops and Tomoya was particularly touching. And I loved Pop's answer to Tomoya's proposal. Nagisa is all grown up

and one more thing...

I wouldn't put it past Suzumiya - the Drama Club room is so much larger ;)

[Kristen]

Overall, quite a good episode, developing the few plot points of 6800/1 I was hoping to see. But, I was disappointed that they did not do a few things from the game I was hoping to see, choosing to make it a little bit more of a gradual change.

Well, one thing, though. GET RID OF KYOU AND RYOU ALREADY! I cannot tell you how disappointed I was in still seeing them in the plot. OK, we get it, you didn't want to do the typical Kyoani scenario where they just disappear after their plot ends. But you made your point already. Don't ruin the moments by keeping then in!

Kind of didn't do it for me, so 8/10.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Quite the letdown. It seems to be going downhill from here Nice opening, but for Kyoani to make this episode THIS depressing does have an effect on me, and it ain't the best. I though Misae's was as melancholy as it gets, but NO. (Funny how The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya wasn't half as melancholic as this.)

Can Kyou like get off stage already?

Tomoyo's reason to close the drama club because of the "not enough members" reason is worse than the North High Student Councilor's reason for "the SOS not being a registered club". At least he kept the Literature Club open even only Yuki Nagato was left.

7/10. Worst rating this season, and I hope I won't go any further down.

[SidVicious]

Again, Nagisa was really cute. :)

[MeoTwister5]

Just saw the episode and yeah... it's time for the supporting cast to step aside and go to college. It's about Nagisa and Tomoya now, as they go into adulthood, and how they must deal with it now that their circle of friends have to go their separate ways (albeit temporarily at least).

I can understand the melancholy, because I can relate. I'm in a similar stage in life right now, since I'm myself trying to finsh medical school and get my MD. The future is still cloudy, with everyone here going into nursing and fewer new doctors are graduating. It's all about the uncertainty, the anxiety of a cloudy future.

But at least they have each other.

[Yukinokesshou]

Tomoyo's reason to close the drama club because of the "not enough members" reason is worse than the North High Student Councilor's reason for "the SOS not being a registered club". At least he kept the Literature Club open even only Yuki Nagato was left.

Well... one member really isn't enough. It's completely logical to close the club. My secondary school was even more anal about clubs than Nagisa's. Like Nagisa, I tried to re-establish a club that had been closed. I had to gather 20 members and that was only the beginning of six months of headache... what with the deputy principal talking s*** about us behind our backs, making it impossible for us to find an adviser or get student council approval -_-

(And those clubs that were approved were forbidden to meet when their adviser was not present... yes, my school was like some paranoid, totalitarian society, worse than the Chinese Communist Party.)

[Proto]

Well, one thing, though. GET RID OF KYOU AND RYOU ALREADY! I cannot tell you how disappointed I was in still seeing them in the plot. OK, we get it, you didn't want to do the typical Kyoani scenario where they just disappear after their plot ends. But you made your point already. Don't ruin the moments by keeping then in!

Well, well, if there is something that might ruin your enjoyment for any kind of series is to have a bunch of preconceptions beforehand. Just let them do whathever they want and only judge them on retrospective. Who knows, it might work. Because otherwise you will be suffering like Kaisos who keep cringing his teeth at every minor deviation from the original script :p


Quite the letdown. It seems to be going downhill from here Nice opening, but for Kyoani to make this episode THIS depressing does have an effect on me, and it ain't the best. I though Misae's was as melancholy as it gets, but NO. (Funny how The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya wasn't half as melancholic as this.)

So, your main qualm with the episode was basically with its mood? Because, while not everything will be like this episode there will be much more of this kind of situations, so you might want to revise your expectations :p

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Well, well, if there is something that might ruin your enjoyment for any kind of series is to have a bunch of preconceptions beforehand. Just let them do whathever they want and only judge them on retrospective. Who knows, it might work. Because otherwise you will be suffering like Kaisos who keep cringing his teeth at every minor deviation from the original script :p

Agreed


So, your main qualm with the episode was basically with its mood? Because, while not everything will be like this episode there will be much more of this kind of situations, so you might want to revise your expectations :p

OHHH NOOO. Another Shuffle-like twist?

[Sheba]

No. Just the harsh reality and the hardships of adulthood slapping anime characters across the face.

[SeedFreedom]

Agreed




OHHH NOOO. Another Shuffle-like twist?

Big difference is, Shuffle was never expected to be a drama over-the-top emotions show. With Keys, you know sooner or later something is going to make you cry.

I also want to add in, Kaede's ending in the anime is dramatically different from the ending in the game, so the "twist" shouldn't have been there. I'll stop before i go into a full blazing Shuffle ending rant. (but feel free to post on my profile if you want to continue :P) I will say Key anime adaptations have been more loyal to the original in the past.

[Myssa Rei]

And now Tomoya finds out that, well, life after school isn't easy, as many of us have learned. Doing work and earning enough for yourself not just to get by, but live comfortably AND support your family members... Haha, it really is hard.

[Kinny Riddle]

The story of Tomoya's coming of age - After Story - truly begins.

If you thought Clannad was bland for the past 32 episodes (23+9AS, not counting the Tomoyo bonus episode), after the following 12 weeks, you will realize that all that "blandness" was worth it. (I'll try to explain why in the Spoilers section if you want to know. ) But if you continue to expect this to be a mere continuation of your typical high school romantic comedy, then you'll probably be disappointed.

The same can be said for Nagisa. For the past 32 episodes, the other girls (Kyou, Ryou, Tomoyo, Kotomi, Fuuko, Yukine, even Mei and Misae) all shone quite brightly compared to Nagisa. Now with everything out of the way, Nagisa begins to illuminate in her own right, and boy does she shine eminently. :love: :love:

Tomoya can count himself very, very lucky. Upon graduated with no hope of further studies, first he has Akio offering him to help out at the bakery. Then Yoshino (which we'll be seeing a lot from now on, it seems) generously gives Tomoya in what is probably the world's fastest job interview and job offer.

Before switching jobs and moving out to his own apartment, Tomoya is seen checking out the property prices. His solitary figure standing concerned for his own purpose stands in contrast to the carefree schoolgirls chatting happily nearby. That's a powerful scene which symbolizes the beginning of Tomoya's change in attitude to life, IMHO.

Pleasantly surprised to see the twins make a cameo, which indirectly led to Tomoya's decision to move out. (Tomoya did that all on his own in the game. )

And if you haven't noticed, the music for the next episode preview (starting from last week) has now changed to the After Story OP tune rather than the first series OP tune, signifying the change in mood.

[sikvod00]

I just can't wait to see Tomoya and Nagisa have their first real couple's argument.:D:p

[Beo]

Most people who are still in school do not know how lucky they are. A lot of wishing to finish up and join in the "real world", thinking that its going to be so much better.

Rude awaking to those when they get out there, your on your own now kid. If you fall on your face, your the one that has to pick your self up.

There are a lot of good things about it but to understand how good it is, you also need to understand the bad and this is mostly found out by experiencing them yourself.

The real education starts now.

--

i guess mom and dad did know what they were talking about after all ...

[Ascaloth]

Episode 10 article has been rushed out:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 10 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1327)

Already it feels like a very different CLANNAD from what we're used to, and it's only the first episode of the true After Story. Where will it lead us? 8/10 for this episode.

[Myssa Rei]

As someone who's been working for the better part of two years, I have to say... It's pretty tough. First of all, it's kind of hard finding a line of work that not only pays well, but you also enjoy. I had an unfortunate experience of going through five months or so of heck in my first job, before I landed a relatively better (payment and schedule-wise) means of employment afterwards. I've been in the same company ever since.

For a Filipina still living at her family home (and I do mean family, as apparently we're the only branch of both sides of the Family tree to live in the capital, so it's a nexus of sorts for the comings and goings of relatives abroad), I earn really well... Of course, bills cut it down to size, but there's still enough left over for me to save a SUBSTANTIAL amount. I'm planning to use my savings so far to apply for a post-graduate course soon.

Take note thought that I actually finished college, and so even if I was a girl, the prospects I had to find more than decent work was WAY better than what Tomoya has right now. A blue-collar worker... doesn't really earn that much, and I'm curious at how KyoAni will depict this facet of their (Tomoya, and Nagisa's) new lives.

Also... had CLANNAD been set up as an eroge, who would bet that an Event flag would have been raised after Akio left the two alone?

[Proto]

The scene of Tomoya looking out of the truck window, seeing a family and yearning for something like that did it for me. Kudos to Kyoani to paying attention on the little details

[typhonsentra]

That longing look he had too, it was so sweet. You could really see that he really wants to have that with her.

[Yukinokesshou]

Take note thought that I actually finished college, and so even if I was a girl, the prospects I had to find more than decent work was WAY better than what Tomoya has right now. A blue-collar worker... doesn't really earn that much, and I'm curious at how KyoAni will depict this facet of their (Tomoya, and Nagisa's) new lives.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking ... it's so much more difficult sorting out a living when you only have a secondary school education. I can't imagine being in that sort of situation, trying to find a blue-collar job that pays enough for rent. It just seems so... unpredictable, a far cry from being a medical student where your future is basically laid out for you as long as you have enough energy to push forward. (I'm not saying being a doctor will be easy, because it's definitely one of the tougher jobs out there, but at least there's a level of predictability and job security to this profession.)

Rating: 7/10. Not expecting - or wanting - it to be any better, because in any story you've got to have relatively flat stretches of character development in the lead-up to a climax, right?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Electricians make much more money than other blue-collar workers.

[Yukinokesshou]

Electricians make much more money than other blue-collar workers.

I don't know if it's me being ignorant... but I suppose there are different "grades" of electricians just like it is with nurses? An "electrician" with a degree in electrical engineering (and greater responsibilities, designing complex circuits and whatnot) would surely earn a lot more money than an "electrician" with only a high school education (whose task is to install fuses and repair broken wires)? For a start, the former definitely isn't blue collar.

[MeoTwister5]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking ... it's so much more difficult sorting out a living when you only have a secondary school education. I can't imagine being in that sort of situation, trying to find a blue-collar job that pays enough for rent. It just seems so... unpredictable, a far cry from being a medical student where your future is basically laid out for you as long as you have enough energy to push forward. (I'm not saying being a doctor will be easy, because it's definitely one of the tougher jobs out there, but at least there's a level of predictability and job security to this profession.)

Rating: 7/10. Not expecting - or wanting - it to be any better, because in any story you've got to have relatively flat stretches of character development in the lead-up to a climax, right?

Yeah. If anything, AS is a crash course on how real life isn't a bowl of peaches and such. I'm 24 and also a medical student in the Philippines, and at my age my parents already had me and were working. It was 1984 near the end of the Marcos era and the economy was in the shit. If my family wasn't relatively well off as it was it would have been much harder than it was already.

In a way AS taught me to respect the difficulties of adulthood as nothing to be sneered at. A teenager or someone born with a silver spoon isn't probably going to get it at all, but my parents and grandparents struggled from the post-war era to get where they are now and have always tried to teach me how harsh life is so I can understand the fear in Tomoya's eyes, that ever powerful tug-of-war between his dreams of a better life for his family and the harsh reality of blue-collar work. The struggle between dream and reality.

It must have been much of a slap in the face when reality rang his doorbell. I've yet to feel the full brunt of that, but if anything AS managed to teach me, it would be all worthwhile if you have someone willing to face the trials of life all the way with you.

He has Nagisa after all, the lucky bastard.

[kurukuru]

The true story of CLANNAD starts.
Tomoya comes to know what life is and is seeking how to become an adult.
This episode came to me as a blow cause I'll have to experience his situation in the future.
I'm a just a university student so that I can't help but feel I'm not an adult even though law difinites we are.
I want the juveniles watch all episodes from now.
It is episodes after 10 that means ''CLANNAD is a life'' which is a famous copy phrase.

[Proto]

Rating: 7/10. Not expecting - or wanting - it to be any better,

Shouldn't you rate it 9-10/10 since it is fulfilling your expectations though? o_o

[Yukinokesshou]

...but if anything AS managed to teach me, it would be all worthwhile if you have someone willing to face the trials of life all the way with you.

He has Nagisa after all, the lucky bastard.

I fully agree. Aaah, Nagisa, basically the only thing from Tomoya's life that I would want (now that sounded so wrong :heh:). In every other aspect, my life is a million times better than Tomoya's, but Nagisa...

Shouldn't you rate it 9-10/10 since it is fulfilling your expectations though? o_o

Isn't a 7 equal to "good"? That's what it is in the rating scale, and I think I've mentioned before in this forum that 70% at my university is an "A", a grade I'd be happy to get. 9-10 would signify something truly exceptional, 6 is average (again, as it is described in the scale), and if I didn't like an episode, I'd rate it 5 or so.

I don't think my expectations should decide what rating I give an episode. Clannad is an example where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. It's a story about a stage in life... obviously, not every day in a person's life is exciting or emotional. "Flat" periods must be included in the story, but this doesn't mean that they should be highly rated simply because they are to be expected. This episode was good and solid, so it gets a 7. It wasn't exceptional, so I won't be giving it a 9 or 10.

[Addendum, following Proto's post below]
Indeed, to each his own. I think the whole affair is made more complicated by the disparity between grading schemes to which we have been exposed at school and university (for example, I believe an "A" is 90% or higher in the US o_O). But I definitely enjoyed the episode :)

[Proto]

I had a long post dedicated to the differences of rating standards between people but I realized that that would be derailing the thread to much :p Anyway, to each to his own, the important thing is that you enjoyed the episode

[Mecha_Trueno]

I wouldn't put it past Suzumiya - the Drama Club room is so much larger ;)not to mention its the DRAMA CLUB... meaning there is plenty of cosplay material simply lying around at her disposal to......... do whatever she wants with mikuru-chan:heh:


looks like i'm not the only one who tried to look out for THAT jam in this frame:
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/864/jamhc1.jpg
well, i don't see any glowing/radiating jam in there. maybe that only happens in nagisa's hands:heh:
@Ascaloth: http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif! you think along the same lines as me:heh: same with the 'tsundere teacher' idea as well:D

my only real complaint is that the BEST CHARACTER, sunohara, didn't get any screen time:mad: i did hear someone say in a previous thread that he'll get little to no part now that the 'after story' section has kicked in. fair enough, but AT LEAST give him a proper exit:( doesn't even have to be a nice warm one...

[Bathory Area]

I found nothing special in this EP so I gave 7/10* *.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Isn't a 7 equal to "good"? That's what it is in the rating scale, and I think I've mentioned before in this forum that 70% at my university is an "A", a grade I'd be happy to get. 9-10 would signify something truly exceptional, 6 is average (again, as it is described in the scale), and if I didn't like an episode, I'd rate it 5 or so.



Hmm. At mine,

80 and above = A
70 - 79 = B
60 - 69 = C (normally the passing grade)
50 - 59 = D (passing grade for non-majoring subj.)
40 - 49 = E
30 - 39 = F (worst you can get without getting kicked out)
20 and below = U (auto. kick out from course)

So, for me, anything below 60 is already fail to me. 70 is good, but 80 is better.

[MeoTwister5]

I watched the episode again and can rate it properly now. Just not with numbers.

In a way Tomoya is very similar to any man with pride: someone who wants to prove himself capable of taking care of himself and, when the time comes, take care of his family. Like the game it seems as though he's rushing things, trying to get an apartment and a good job as fast as possible. This is mistake most people make but you can't blame him. He has finally started to learn and appreciate the warmth of a loving family with the Furukawas and wants one of his own. He's just lucky a friend recommended him a cheap place and another friend a stable job.

Personally, this is the episode where IT IS VERY MUCH EVIDENT JUST HOW MUCH HE HAS GROWN AS A PERSON. In no other episode or game segment did I see how he's so much more different than he was in the first season. Before he was a listless drifter running away from his problems, not knowing the comfort of a family, friendships and love. Now he's taking full responsibility for himself and his future, no matter how unknown, appreciating the help of his closest people and eventually planning to start a family with the woman he loves.

I find him a very blessed individual.

And yet he's still full of anxiety. This is no more evident than how worried he was when Nagisa was already avoiding telling him anything about school and her friends. Back then he would do something about it, but now, he can't, and he probably feels so powerless. He wants to protect her more than anything, but can do nothing for her in school.

At the very least, he can be there for her outside school. He plans to make her happy one way or another.

And yet what is somewhat endearing is that Nagisa has learned and gained strength from Tomoya to live through the harshness of her 3rd repeated year. Tomoya found her a depressed loner who didn't know how to start the club, now she's taking the strength to do what she aims for even without him by her side in school. Despite the loneliness and the pain of failure she strives to move on, a far cry from the person that she was.

My facial muscles hurt from all the smiling in the scenes where Nagisa would come every morning and at night to cook his meals and, probably more important, someone who can answer him whenever he says comes home and says "Tadaima!". This is what keeps him going everyday after tiring work.

Then again, with a future wife like her, who wouldn't?:heh:

It's almost heartbreaking the distance that was built between them because of his graduation. They see each other only in the morning and at night, and they barely have time for each other. He clearly wants to rectify the situation.

I was expecting a little bit that he would be surprised that she comes in every morning and evening to cook for him, but they're completely comfortable with each other even in a new set of circumstances. That only goes to show just how close and in tune they are with each other. It's almost criminal they aren't living with each other.

Above all, however, this episode is THE first stepping stone into their roads to adulthood. Tomoya has taken the first steps with a house, a job and a bright future. Nagisa will continue to make it through high school and finally graduate.

All that remains now, is to make this house a home.

[Spring_sakura111]

Made me cry again. I mean , leaving your Highschool life and that wholesome home of Nagisa is just sad. I love Clannad for it's realism. ♥ Now , he's living alone...and now he can't spend much time with Nagisa....T_T Awww....

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

I was expecting a little bit that he would be surprised that she comes in every morning and evening to cook for him, but they're completely comfortable with each other even in a new set of circumstances. That only goes to show just how close and in tune they are with each other. It's almost criminal they aren't living with each other.

Haruhi with a ponytail is more criminal. And for a SECOND Kyoani crossover, get Haruhi to take over the Theater Club room for the SOS Hikarizaoka Branch Office!

Above all, however, this episode is THE first stepping stone into their roads to adulthood. Tomoya has taken the first steps with a house, a job and a bright future. Nagisa will continue to make it through high school and finally graduate.

All that remains now, is to make this house a home.

Hm. A home. I won't say more, cause it'd be spoilers.

[MeoTwister5]

Haruhi with a ponytail is more criminal. And for a SECOND Kyoani crossover, get Haruhi to take over the Theater Club room for the SOS Hikarizaoka Branch Office!



Hm. A home. I won't say more, cause it'd be spoilers.

Why do you think I used a vague and corny line in the first place?:p

[phishn37]

This series is really starting to develop well. I'm glad its moved from the idealistic high-school problems and misunderstandings to things like learning about independance and taking responsibility for things. The character development for Tomoya is really amazing, too. I like watching him turn from a somewhat useless and lazy guy to someone who takes responsibility and is assertive about his life and his future.

10/10

[Ottocycle]

Something I noticed. Is it the first time we see Nagisa let herself go and laugh her heart out throughout all of CLANNAD TV so far? Even if it wasn't the first, that scene left quite the impression on me.

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

That sucks for Nagisa she is all alone even Tomoyo and Yukine is not hanging with her. Tomoya starting his new life after graduation that job requires alot of physical work. Great episode so far.

[pagan poor]

Loved the episode. It had more sweeping in scope to me, with Tomoya having to face life decisions now that he has finished high school. Decisions with how it affects him, and his relationship with Nagisa. Fabulous.

[mpt37]

Question about the scene @ 16:05, was Tomoya supposed to be doing an impression of Nagisa? I didn't really notice it at first because Akio didn't acknowledge it but Nagisa blushing caught my attention so I re-watched it.

[SaintessHeart]

The Sanae bread joke strikes again! Loved it.

Anyway it seems that these series will probably end at Nagisa's graduation, I think. But overall, it is a lovely story altogether.

Where is Sunohara anyway? I want him back.

Anyway I am a 19 year old who didn't qualify into university, so I rather know how Tomoya feels having to work like a dog for a meal.

[Proto]

At that moment he switched to an middle aged lady way of speaking, so it was sort of self mocking/mocking the situation.

Sunohara went back to his hometown with Mei. He will continue his own life over there, finding a work himself and everything.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

The Sanae bread joke strikes again! Loved it.



And THE JAM too. I think even the jelly bread has THE JAM in it.
Yes, I am talking about Minase Jam. Although it's not glowing, it's still dangerous.

[zzeroparticle]

Not really sure what to think of this one. The good thing about this episode is to show how far Tomoya and Nagisa have gotten and how much emotional growth they've had individually. Tomoya's narration during the first half of the episode cemented his character growth as well as his earnestness towards making everything work out.

But because of this, it felt like this episode is laying the groundwork for the next phase in the characters' lives. By showing us the difficulties that Tomoya's going through, it necessitates doing a fair amount of foundation building, which limits the character drama down to a few scenes. I'm just hoping that this investment in the character yields some interesting drama and character growth down the road.

[Aizu]

Very good. First problems of the independent life, more accent on relations between Nagisa and Tomoya. But they decided not to cut school friends. Well, in the middle of AS it can be a bit strange in hard situatitions.

9 out of 10 : Excellent.

[kyosak]

I loved the part when Akio told Tomoya that he should come talk to him if he gets in any trouble. Tomoya really is lucky to be surrounded by all those good people.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

I loved the part when Akio told Tomoya that he should come talk to him if he gets in any trouble. Tomoya really is lucky to be surrounded by all those good people.

True. But then again, Tomoya needs to learn about family, ne?

[MeoTwister5]

I found it almost heartwarmingly brilliant how there was a good deal of silence when Tomoya casually mentions how he wants Nagisa to live with him when he and Akio were playing catch. They tossed the ball around before talking again, but you could almost tell by their play and facial expressions through the silence what they were thinking. Excellent art direction for that one.

And yeah, I also noticed that it was the first time in the series that she actually had a full laugh on anything. Goes to show how much she's grown.

Damn, it's the first time in the whole 2 season series that I really can't wait for the next episode even if I already know what's going to happen.

[tzia_n]

The episode was odd. It was boring in the sense that nothing significant really happened but at the same time was very interesting/involving with how "real" it feels. The execution with the minor details of the silent scenes and others were great.

I found it nice how Tomoya was really trying to pay attention to Nagisa at the end, even though he really was dozing off :heh:

[Yukinokesshou]

I found it almost heartwarmingly brilliant how there was a good deal of silence when Tomoya casually mentions how he wants Nagisa to live with him when he and Akio were playing catch. They tossed the ball around before talking again, but you could almost tell by their play and facial expressions through the silence what they were thinking. Excellent art direction for that one.

And yeah, I also noticed that it was the first time in the series that she actually had a full laugh on anything. Goes to show how much she's grown.

Damn, it's the first time in the whole 2 season series that I really can't wait for the next episode even if I already know what's going to happen.

Bleeh... you're all starting to make me regret the rating I gave this episode :heh: In terms of production and mood setting, it's definitely 8 or 9.

[C.A.]

I gave it a 10, because the episode's realistic life scenario of both Tomoya and Nagisa reminded me of my own experiences. And meeting up with good old friends, in this case Kyou and Ryou, is quite a nice experience.

I saw the spark from the gem Nagisa was even when the other girls were being feautured in Season 1. Nagisa was shining bright back then, she just has the spotlight on her alone now. She was my favourite character right from the beginning.

[Dop]

Nagisa's now finding out what her previous school year would have been like if she'd not met Tomoya, but at least he's still offering what support he can.

When Tomoya got his job, I was thinking "Surely that's going to be difficult with his damaged shoulder?"
Then I noticed as soon as he left work he crouched down clutching it in pain.
I thought that was well done.

[Eddward]

Nagisa's now finding out what her previous school year would have been like if she'd not met Tomoya, but at least he's still offering what support he can.

When Tomoya got his job, I was thinking "Surely that's going to be difficult with his damaged shoulder?"
Then I noticed as soon as he left work he crouched down clutching it in pain.
I thought that was well done.

Yeah I was thinking exakly the same there, I was like hmm then I when he shoot the doors :).

Tho I wonder what will happen in next episode with the job and Nagisa :O

[Spectacular_Insanity]

As usual, I liked it a lot. I thought it was weird that Tomoya let Nagisa walk home at night alone. Not something I would do.

By the way, does anyone know how many episodes there are going to be? 12? 13? Or a full season of 24-26?

[Klashikari]

2 full seasons, so 24-26

[MissInformed]

As usual, I liked it a lot. I thought it was weird that Tomoya let Nagisa walk home at night alone. Not something I would do.
My husband and I thought that too. Doesn't seem in character for him, either. The only thing we could figure out is maybe that scene actually took place closer to her place instead of outside his. I'm not familiar enough with the different environments to know for sure based on the background, so maybe we're way off on this.

[C.A.]

Hmmm, talking about letting Nagisa walk herself home. I actually had this bad feeling that she's going to collapse on the way home or run into trouble. But was great to see her waking up Tomoya, immediately after that lol

[Yushi]

He didn't let her walk herself home.
Look closely behind her as Tomoya talked about how he'll let his dad know that he moved.
The red sign says: Furukawa Pan (Bread). He walked her home. XD

[Eddward]

He didn't let her walk herself home.
Look closely behind her as Tomoya talked about how he'll let his dad know that he moved.
The red sign says: Furukawa Pan (Bread). He walked her home. XD

Was just going to say that, he didn't follow her to the door but he did follow her close enought. If she gets in trouble on the small walk I feel very sorry for Nagisa :(

[cold_snipe]

Very good episode!

Personally, i hope to see more of the teacher-student relationship between yoshino and tomoya. But good development!

Oh and hi everyone! first post! :D

[destiny4everlove]

Episode 10

-Akio offering Tomoya a job and Sanae calling him “Tomoya-san” was so amazingly great!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi8j.gif As Sanae said, they’re like a family now. :blush: The love and warm of a family, of a home is one of the many things that Nagisa gave Tomoya; Nagisa’s parents are great, aren’t they? :)

-I wonder where Akio wandered off while Sanae was teaching and Tomoya was in charge of the bakery. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif

-Nooo!! :( Nagisa ended up in a different class than Tomoyo and Yukine.

-Loved how Tomoya saw right through Nagisa when she told him that the open house for the club had gone well. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif They know each other so well, don't they? :blush:

-Nagisa is having trouble both with the club and with making new friends. Poor Nagisa-chan. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-Loved how Nagisa worked hard and gave her best to keep the club from closing even when things were not easy for her. Too bad that Nagisa’s effort was not enough to keep the theater club from closing. :upset:

-Seeing Nagisa closing the door of the theater club, a room where so many happy memories and fun times took place last year was so touching. :( I felt so sad for Nagisa-chan. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-The scene of Tomoya looking at the available apartments that were displayed in the window and the high school boys and girls around him who were talking and laughing was such a great way to portray the contrast between the care-free life of a student and the more serious and harder life of a young adult who has enter the workforce and has left his/her school days behind him/her.

-Tomoya worrying about his future, looking for an apartment and asking Yoshino for a job showed us that our little Tomoya has matured a lot and is all grown up now. :blush:

-The scene when Tomoya asked Akio if he could take Nagisa with him one day, the silence that followed afterwards, Akio saying that Nagisa is the one that needs to decide, and Akio’s face filled with sadness and resignation was such a perfect scene!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi22.gif I loved it!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi9b.gif One of the things I love about Clannad is Tomoya and Akio’s relationship, their relationship is so awesome and unique, I just love it! :)

-The scene of Nagisa and especially Tomoya being all nervous after Akio left them all alone was so cute!!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif

-Nagisa singing the dango song was so adorable!!! :blush:

-Tomoya blushing and wondering if the day when they’ll live together will come was so adorably cute!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif I love Tomoya so much!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif

-I love how Nagisa always worries about the relationship between Tomoya and his dad. I love how she is always trying to help make things better between Tomoya and his dad. :)

-Is it me or Tomoya’s apartment seems really close to Nagisa’s house? http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif

- Nagisa waking Tomoya up and making breakfast for him was so sweet and cute!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif They looked so cute together like that. :blush:

-Tomoya blushing while remembering Nagisa saying “I’ll be waiting” was so adorable!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif Tomoya is so incredibly cute when he blushes!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi9b.gif He was so happy because he knew there was going to be someone waiting for him after a hard day’s work.

-The scene when Tomoya looked at that family (dad, mom and kid) with such a longing expression was priceless!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi9b.gif That’s what Tomoya wants; he wants to have a family of his own with Nagisa, the girl he loves. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/basic/cloud9.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

-Yoshino has become Tomoya’s sensei now!! :heehee:

-Poor Tomoya, he was so tired than he didn't even eat dinner. Welcome to the real world Tomoya-kun.

-I can’t wait to watch the next episode!!! :smile:

[OmegaPhlare]

This was an amazing episode! It will definitely be one of my favorites, the kind of episode that I will watch over and over again after the series is completed. Many things happening in this episode are normal and maybe for some of the other posters here, that is boring. Myself, I think it is a slow episode but very soothing.

I think Tomoya's attitude in this episode is wholly agreeable and a perfect example for why I love him as a protagonist. It's probably because the Tomoya of this whole series is the kind of person I relate to or want to be more like. Right now, Tomoya is putting his effort into being the best person he can be. In development, he went from a person who doesn't believe in himself to a person who really wants to be independent of others. It couldn't have been an instant transformation of character; this must have been influenced by the Furukawa family.

My favorite part is the lines of narration at the end of the the Akio/Sanae bread joke. There is so much love there.

---This kind of reminds me that I absolutely hate the majority of protagonists in every anime series. Too many teen-aged protagonists are freaking brats who need to grow up. There are always problems, but these teens never come up with solutions. As a man, its in me to solve problems, and seeing the male lead running away from his problems agitates the hell out of me, yet I can't stop watching anime. But it isn't like that in Clannad; In my mind I'm thinking fictional data summary like, "Tomoya starts at 80% and just has to change his direction so that he can become more complete."

[Sinestra]

Taking those first steps into the real world can be tough and a bit scary. Tomoya has managed to mature a little at first getting to work in the Bakery with Nagisa's parents which is not a bad job busy in the morning then calms down in the late morning afternoon plenty of time for them to play some baseball.

But like i thought was going to happen Tomoya felt that he could not just rely on Nagisa's parents forever and wanted to do things on his own. Getting an apartment and asking yoshino for a job. Its harder than it looks and Tomoya is going to be in for rough time for a bit.

Seeing how easily Tomoya picked on Nagisa's little lie about club shows how far they have come and well they know each other. Nagisa ends up in a class with no one she knows and loses the club. But still manages to smile this is the power of Nagisa but it has got to be hard on her. Watching all the characters grow and mature is a real treat and as they leave the carelessness of their High school days behind and encounter the young adult world.

Even as Tomoya has matured a bit he still has a long way to go and he will find that working a lot and trying to spend as much time with Nagisa like he did before is not an option we all face that in everyday lives. Tomoya and Nagisa are perfect for one another but they still have to mature and each have to find their own path take. I do hope Nagisa does not get sick again and does not have to stay back twice is hard enough but 3 times is just cruel. This could be a good opportunity for her to make some friends on her own with some of the lessons Tomoya taught her when they first met.

I think squealed like a little girl when Sanae said Tomoya was basically family already and then again when Tomoya is imagining Nagisa in an apron like a house wife. Oh man these two are so going to get married assuming that nothing bad happens to Nagisa but I dont think thats the case.

The real afterstory has begun and im enjoying its going to get harder before it gets better.

[hai_san]

Somehow Clannad entered the "serious" world, no more teenage highschool but the world of employment, somehow i get the bad feeling that the series wont end up with a "happy end" however i hope i am wrong!

Tomoya + Nagisa and Ryou and Kyou in normal clothes was just "woah"!!!

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

... Ryou and Kyou in normal clothes was just "woah"!!!

Wonder why they're not on Japan's Next Top Model already.

[Proto]

... ok let's not exaggerate, they were just wearing university student clothing :p

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

... ok let's not exaggerate, they were just wearing university student clothing :p

Uni student clothing = fashion. And fashionable (most times)

[Sinestra]

Somehow Clannad entered the "serious" world, no more teenage highschool but the world of employment, somehow i get the bad feeling that the series wont end up with a "happy end" however i hope i am wrong!


I dont get the vibes it will be a sad ending the theme just doesnt seem so.

[phishn37]

Yeah, Kyou and Ryou in normal clothing was like WHOA... super cute!!

[Yukinokesshou]

Tomoya + Nagisa and Ryou and Kyou in normal clothes was just "woah"!!!

Hmm, but haven't we seen all of them in "normal" clothes in Season 1? Shopping district and food delivery come to mind. (As for Tomoya and Nagisa, they've been out of uniform in pretty much every episode.)

[C.A.]

Hmm, but haven't we seen all of them in "normal" clothes in Season 1? Shopping district and food delivery come to mind. (As for Tomoya and Nagisa, they've been out of uniform in pretty much every episode.)Its like, seeing your friends in different clothes, they look good or bad and different each time.

Do you go like, "I've already seen you in normal clothes.", when you look at your friend? lol

Besides, Japanese fashion is always something to behold, whether good or bad.

[LeaD36]

Uni Student clothing = whatever you wanna wear LOL

talking about casual clothing, my super favourite scene of the entire season comes to my mind

Mei : "Onii-chan..."

[Yukinokesshou]

Its like, seeing your friends in different clothes, they look good or bad and different each time. Do you go like, "I've already seen you in normal clothes.", when you look at your friend?

Haha, true enough.

Besides, Japanese fashion is always something to behold, whether good or bad.

Well, Kyou and Ryou definitely looked good, but I didn't see anything distinctively "Japanese" about what they were wearing. I think we really meant "normal" when we described their outfits as such... they're something we could imagine our female friends wearing, unlike much of what we see on anime! :heh:

Hmm... perhaps that is why Kyou and Ryou's clothes have attracted so much attention, precisely because people around us might wear them.

To change topic, having to juggle school and Tomoya's housekeeping isn't going to do much good to Nagisa's health or academic progress... (I was going to ask what her parents might feel about this, but I recalled Akio saying that Nagisa can make decisions for herself.)

[Proto]

Well, by now Nagisa must have memorized the first part of the school's curriculum, so I don't think that's much of a problem. :p

[C.A.]

One of the reasons Nagisa generally scores well is probably because she repeated the previous year. And now that she's repeating again, she probably has a high chance of being a top student lol

Since she already learnt everything and should have no problem with her schoolwork, she should be able to spend time with Tomoya.

Anyway, yesterday I had a dream about Nagisa lol, it was a heartwarming dream, never had something like that before.

[Yukinokesshou]

One of the reasons Nagisa generally scores well is probably because she repeated the previous year. And now that she's repeating again, she probably has a high chance of being a top student lol

Since she already learnt everything and should have no problem with her schoolwork, she should be able to spend time with Tomoya.

Anyway, yesterday I had a dream about Nagisa lol, it was a heartwarming dream, never had something like that before.

Ah stupid me, I forgot -_-.

I wonder how Nagisa appeared in your dream? As a three-dimensional human of normal anatomical proportions bearing a slight resemblance to the Nagisa we see on screen... or a direct projection of an anime character onto a surreal dream world?

[C.A.]

I wonder how Nagisa appeared in your dream? As a three-dimensional human of normal anatomical proportions bearing a slight resemblance to the Nagisa we see on screen... or a direct projection of an anime character onto a surreal dream world?Woah now that you asked, I only realised that I didn't question myself, how I percieved her.

And now that I think of it, she seems to be 3D, because the environment was 3D, but her face looked her her 2D self. Could be something like how they drew the imaginary world.

Anway, she was holding both of my hands, it was a very warm feeling, I can still remember a little of that feeling even now. Its like she gave me the touch and warmth of a family, like she always gave Tomoya.

I think this dream came about because I really liked this episode, which I rated a 10. Nagisa is really a great girl and like I said some times before, she was my favourite the very first time she said 'anpan'.

[Proto]

There could be different interpretations of this. My personal one is that you should take a break from anime and go tire yourself out at the gym or some physical activity.

:p

[MeoTwister5]

I watched this episode 4 times already. Bobammit.

[Nerroth]

Fine ep - and Tomoya is really maturing into a great character.


(What is it about Yūichi Nakamura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yūichi_Nakamura_(seiy%C5%AB)) and awesomeness? Granted, Alto wasn't too great, but between Tomoya and GARhamrBushido, he's got it made!)

[Yukinokesshou]

Anway, she was holding both of my hands, it was a very warm feeling, I can still remember a little of that feeling even now. Its like she gave me the touch and warmth of a family, like she always gave Tomoya.

That's sweet, though I can't help agreeing with Proto. I wonder if there are any real girls like Nagisa out there? In our materialistic society, is any girl willing to settle down for a simple life with the man she loves simply because she loves him? Is any girl pure enough to love for love itself, and not for sex or money? Because all I hear around me is "sex, sex, sex" (men and Europeans of both sexes), "money, money, money" (Chinese girls), "car, condo, credit card" (Singaporean girls). It's depressing, really.

And I agree with all the positive comments about Tomoya; there's no denying he's the best match for Nagisa.

[bloodyknight]

That's sweet, though I can't help agreeing with Proto. I wonder if there are any real girls like Nagisa out there? In our materialistic society, is any girl willing to settle down for a simple life with the man she loves simply because she loves him? Is any girl pure enough to love for love itself, and not for sex or money? Because all I hear around me is "sex, sex, sex" (men and Europeans of both sexes), "money, money, money" (Chinese girls), "car, condo, credit card" (Singaporean girls). It's depressing, really.

And I agree with all the positive comments about Tomoya; there's no denying he's the best match for Nagisa.

That is why this is called an anime, not a reality show, brother... There's no way you can find one, believe me...

Unless really, she is as sick and weak as Nagisa is... With the world's medical technology this high, the possibility is slim at the very least...

Perhaps we may find a Louise Halevy from Season 2 here... No way we can find a Nagisa Furukawa in Season 2... That's a guarantee...

Pehaps you can breed one yourself... That is if you will have a daughter in the near future... It starts from young... and will require the certain amount of correct factors on how or where she grew up in order to have one Nagisa Furukawa in this world... It's going to be hard work, i will say...

I'm just saying!!!

[Nerroth]

Given how much Tomoyo gives of herself in an alternate timeline, arguably too much, considering how much of her own qualities that are sacrificed as she does so, I'd hardly say that Nagisa is the only woman in Clannad who wouldn't 'love for love itself'...

...and you know, at the risk of sounding contrary, there are people of both genders out there on Earth who do the same.


(And given how many millions around the world are far, far away from any kind of medical treatment, let alone the kind that the best money can buy, I wouldn't over-estimate Earth's overall level of medical development.)

[Yukinokesshou]

That is why this is called an anime, not a reality show, brother... There's no way you can find one, believe me...

Unless really, she is as sick and weak as Nagisa is... With the world's medical technology this high, the possibility is slim at the very least...

Perhaps we may find a Louise Halevy from Season 2 here... No way we can find a Nagisa Furukawa in Season 2... That's a guarantee...

Pehaps you can breed one yourself... That is if you will have a daughter in the near future... It starts from young... and will require the certain amount of correct factors on how or where she grew up in order to have one Nagisa Furukawa in this world... It's going to be hard work, i will say...

Heh. So I'm not the only one who's pessimistic. I think I've long since forsworn being anything but a cold, asexual earthworm. Better unloving and unloved than entangled and disappointed.

And if I ever do get married and have children, there is no way I would want my daughter to be sick and weak like Nagisa; even if she is, she'd be the daughter of a doctor so medical intervention would always be around the corner. However, I will definitely be as doting and obsessive of a parent as the Furukawas (after all, my own parents are... so will the same process that produced a pessimistic, asexual earthworm boy produce a loving Nagisa??)

Addendum
"...will require the certain amount of correct factors on how or where she grew up in order to have one Nagisa Furukawa..."

Where she grew up, eh? Is it just my personal feeling, or are HK and S'porean boys especially pessimistic about the materialism of girls in our societies? For some reason, my Taiwanese and Korean friends are more upbeat on this (so are ang mohs in general, but for them, sex >>> everything else).

[Beo]

I married one 25 years ago, still here with me.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Is any girl pure enough to love for love itself, and not for sex or money? Because all I hear around me is "sex, sex, sex" (men and Europeans of both sexes), "money, money, money" (Chinese girls), "car, condo, credit card" (Singaporean girls). It's depressing, really.

In Japan, yes. As long as they're ethnic Japanese.

"sex, sex, sex" (men and Europeans of both sexes) West Europe, I guess. Because in the former USSR, this doesn't happen that often.

"money, money, money" (Chinese girls) Hm. Add the above too.

"car, condo, credit card" (Singaporean girls) ONLY? I think it's more like "Car, condo, credit card, country club & cash"

[MeoTwister5]

I married one 25 years ago, still here with me.

A dime a dozen, such people are.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

A dime a dozen, such people are.

Especially in Confucius-based societies. China used to be so, until it became the PRC. However, in Taiwan, there's like a penny a dozen. Same with Malaysia, Singapore, Japan and SKorea.

[Yukinokesshou]

Um... "a dime a dozen" means very common and cheap (i.e. you can buy a dozen for a dime), a "penny a dozen" would be even more so. Is that what you lot really mean? Or the opposite?

And why especially Confucian societies?

In Japan, yes. As long as they're ethnic Japanese.

[...] ONLY? I think it's more like "Car, condo, credit card, country club & cash"

So basically, Chinese (meaning ethnic Chinese) men are in the worst position, eh? Girls in our societies are so materialistic.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Um... "a dime a dozen" means very common and cheap (i.e. you can buy a dozen for a dime), a "penny a dozen" would be even more so. Is that what you lot really mean? Or the opposite?

Yes, I mean there's so many, really. There's no need to worry on PRC girls sucking old men's money, since for every such case, there's 100 more cases of happy, lasting marriages.

And why especially Confucian societies?

Because Confcius says: Good marriage = happy society = happy life.

So basically, Chinese (meaning ethnic Chinese) men are in the worst position, eh? Girls in our societies are so materialistic.

No, the Singaporean girls may be materialistic, but not crafty. Unlike the PRC ones.

[konstargirl]

The episode was quite cute. :D Its still sad tat Nagisa repeated senior year again.

[bloodyknight]

Indeed she feels so lonely.

[ShimatheKat]

Most people who are still in school do not know how lucky they are. A lot of wishing to finish up and join in the "real world", thinking that its going to be so much better.

Rude awaking to those when they get out there, your on your own now kid. If you fall on your face, your the one that has to pick your self up.

There are a lot of good things about it but to understand how good it is, you also need to understand the bad and this is mostly found out by experiencing them yourself.

The real education starts now. ...

Hm, depends on your path too. I never had that "HUGE SHOCK". Wait. I'm a social/church worker. Never mind...

OK this was a touching ep. But wasn't as epic as AS 5-6. Gave it a 9.

[Master Chibi]

I may be a cold blooded bastard, and I still hate Nagisa (sorry, being ill isn't going to be enough of a plot device for me to care as she's still inconceivably boring as a character) but, seeing her alone in that classroom broke my heart. In fact I think it was completely unnecessary. Pretty damn fucked up.

Oh well.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It's not really what Nagisa does, but more what Nagisa REPRESENTS, especially to Tomoya... you should get what I mean about episode 17-18.

Plus, she's cute.

[Master Chibi]

It's not really what Nagisa does, but more what Nagisa REPRESENTS, especially to Tomoya... you should get what I mean about episode 17-18.

Plus, she's cute.

This show is going on for 26 episodes?

Ugh.

And sorry, I've never once found her cute.

Far, far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from it.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Just wait and see.

It's worth sitting through, trust me, even if you do hate Nagisa.

[Master Chibi]

Just wait and see.

It's worth sitting through, trust me, even if you do hate Nagisa.

I'm taking your word for it, because several other people who know me and my likes / dislikes have said the same thing.

This shit has to be nothing short of a miracle to make me like her.

But again, I will wait and see.

[MeoTwister5]

Hmmm actually I always wondered... in the game and the anime the park where they always play baseball and talk is just in front of the Furukawa bakery across the street right?

[Klashikari]

Yes, this is the reason why Akio doesn't worry about leaving the bakery without anyone, as they would see right away if they got a customer.
This is also the reason why Nagisa is fine by repeating her plays in the park at night, as it is pretty close, and thus safe (Furukawa papa would be ready to smack anyway :heh:)