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shomazta
2008-12-04, 19:02
The seinen manga Saki by Kobayashi Ritsu will receive an anime adaptation.
咲 -Saki-
Saki
The manga is serialized in the seinen manga magazine Young GanGan (http://comipedia.com/magazine/young-gangan).
Currently there are 4 volumes released of this manga.
Covers:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8775/07209714jo2.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5251/07209715rq0.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5200/07209717nw4.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7992/07203806iw8.jpg
Mangaka: Kobayashi Ritsu
Genre: Seinen, Competition
Official Site: http://www.saki-anime.com/
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So far we know the cast consists of the following esteemed vocals
Ueda Kana: Miyanaga Saki
Koshimizu Ami: Haramura Nodoka
Kugimiya Rie: Kataoka Yuuki
Shiraishi Ryoko: Someya Mako
Itou Shizuka: Takei Hisa
Fukuyama Jun: Suga Kyoutaro
and that animation production will be handled by Gonzo.
I used to think I'd never take any interest in Mahjong, let alone an animation about such; until I saw Shion no Ou. In any case, I'm hoping Gonzo won't let this title down.
So far we know the cast consists of the following esteemed vocals
Ueda Kana: Miyanaga Saki
Koshimizu Ami: Haramura Nodoka
Kugimiya Rie: Kataoka Yuuki
Shiraishi Ryoko: Someya Mako
Itou Shizuka: Takei Hisa
Fukuyama Jun: Suga Kyoutaro
ahh-- such talented casts, and to top it off Kana will voice Saki :love:
does this mean she's doing another kansaijin?
this is now one of my anticipated shows to-watch list.
The voice cast and the fact that it wouldn't hurt me to learn a thing or two about mahjong means that this is on my list already. Looks fun.
kk2extreme
2008-12-04, 20:04
is this gonna be a tornament based anime like hikaru no go?
shomazta
2008-12-04, 20:25
The story centers around Saki Miyanaga, a timid freshman girl who has never enjoyed the Asian tile game of mahjong. However, another freshman brings her into their high school's mahjong club and into the competitive world of mahjong tournaments.
Miyanaga Saki is a high school freshman who doesn’t like mahjong. Ever since she was a child, she would lose her New Year’s gift money during her family mahjong game. If she won, her parents would be upset, and if she lost, well, she lost.
As a result, she’s learned to play in such a way that her score always remains plus/minus zero: not good enough to win, but not bad enough to lose. When we meet her, she’s being dragged to her school’s mahjong club by an old friend. How will a girl who hates mahjong, yet has become adept at the game as a result of her upbringing, survive in this environment?
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I haven't seen Hikaru no Go, so not sure about that... but it's obviously focusing on tournaments...
Square Enix has a preview of the manga up on their site (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/magazine/tachiyomi/saki1/Contents/) if you want to see for yourself how direction may be played out, and of course there are scanlations available (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=13087) as well...
Staff :
Director : Manabu ONO
Series Composition : Tatsuhiko URAHATA
Character Designer - Animation director : Masakatsu SASAKI
Art director : Hiroki MATSUMOTO
Color design : Hiromi
3D animation : SANZIGEN
Sound : Yota TSURUOKA
Animation : GONZO
To my mind anime design really disappoints me. The manga is so nice drawn and cute...
After Bamboo Blade and Shion no Ou, I look forward to animes about games/sports I know nothing about. :)
moé + mahjong = saki
I share kyouray's feelings: I don't really like the character designs. Just from that picture, it seems that they are going to take all the moé out, starting from there...
the fact that GONZO is handling the animation is a scary thought in itself, but I'm seriously more worried about the staff, really...
Manabu Ono (Dragonaut - The Resonance, Transformers: Cybertron)
Tatsuhiko Urahata (Card Captor Sakura, Hajime no Ippo, Strawberry Panic!)
Masakatsu Sasaki (Erotic Torture Chamber)
Hiroki Matsumoto (Itazura na Kiss, Shikabane Hime: Aka, Welcome to the NHK)
Yota Tsuruoka (Air, Clannad, ef - a tale of memories)
Starting with the director, Manabu Ono, I don't want to see another trainwreck in the form of Dragonaut (I struggled through that show and it was such a painful experience). I wonder if he learned from the mess he did--from beginning to end, it was just bad.
The script is going to be done by Tatsuhiko Urahata and looking at the work he has so far done, the only downside I see is what he did on Strawberry Panic!, show whose script I did not feel very happy about. But he has been involved in some episodes of ARIA ~ The Origination (2, 5) and in the Series Composition of Monster. Well, not sure of what to expect...
I think they picked the "right person" for the sound direction, since Yota Tsuruoka seems to be someone with a vast experience--especially in regards to what I saw in ef~ tales of memories...
The 3D animation is going to be done by Sanzigen. What is that supposed to mean? Gonzo is relying on Sanzigen to do its awful 3D animation, or that Gonzo is not going to be involved in the 3D animation, and instead, it will leave it up to Sanzigen... I will definitely prefer the latter...
ok, I'm sounding way too pessimistic, but I can't really help it. On the bright side, I think they picked a strong cast of seiyuus, at least that... :heh:
After Bamboo Blade and Shion no Ou, I look forward to animes about games/sports I know nothing about.
You might want to watch Hikaru no Go while you wait, which is by far the king of this type of series.
In any case, while I definitely liked the clear look of the manga design, I cannot say that I don't like the anime design either, which has a spunky feel to it, reminiscent of Manabi Straight.
serenade_beta
2008-12-05, 10:59
I know of this manga's existence, but haven't read it...
Gonzo is doing it, huh. Then there are various things to look forward too...
Character design... for anime looks kind of weird...
In any case, while I definitely liked the clear look of the manga design, I cannot say that I don't like the anime design either, which has a spunky feel to it, reminiscent of Manabi Straight.
Basically repeating what the above said. The manga chapter looked nice. The website makes my eyes want to hurt. And it is a Gonzo adaptation meaning something is going to get screwed up.
Does this series actually go anywhere good or is the only special twist to the generic formula it seems to follow the one mentioned in the first chapter?
Hmm... I said that I liked the anime designs though. You know, double negation and all.
KrebMarkt
2008-12-06, 16:47
There is a scanlation for the manga up to chapter 13.
I doubt many readers will get the japanese Mahjong scoring system.
I'm personally used the Honk Kong rules & scoring system.
So it is like "Calling Your Attacks" when they declare their winning hands.
Some pictures of the chara-design on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/127/127284/).
Duo Maxwell
2008-12-11, 21:52
There is a scanlation for the manga up to chapter 13.
I doubt many readers will get the japanese Mahjong scoring system.
I'm personally used the Honk Kong rules & scoring system.
So it is like "Calling Your Attacks" when they declare their winning hands.
I can only find as far as chapter 10 :(.
To tell the truth, I was only into this game by playing eroge, and started to like Mahjong :heh:. That's why I only know the Japanese scoring system (although I still haven't gotten a good grasp about it).
Still can't find a good place to play Mahjong, since it's not popular (or should I say, almost no one at my place know about it). The downside of this game is you have to have 4 people :upset:.
niwasatou
2008-12-11, 22:16
The designs scare me off a bit, but Kana-chan as main warrants a look into episode one at least. Who knows, maybe it turns out to be okay.
shomazta
2008-12-12, 00:02
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3129/c20081204saki01cs1w1459pd7.jpg
You don't like this? I think it looks pretty good. Characters don't look quite the same as the do in the manga cover's, yet they still look pretty nice, I think... maybe just a bit more "childish"
The manga is pretty good for a MJ manga, but lately it seems to have changed directions and gotten abit unrealistic. I can stand Saki's Rinshan, since she doesn't use that all the time, but Koromo's Haitei ability is going abit overboard. I guess I just havn't read a MJ manga that tries to mix these different styles (stratergy + flow of the game + speical powers) together before, so it's abit weird for me.
Duo Maxwell
2008-12-12, 02:54
You don't like this? I think it looks pretty good. Characters don't look quite the same as the do in the manga cover's, yet they still look pretty nice, I think... maybe just a bit more "childish"
Maybe it's because of the eyes, I'm not sure. I have a very different feeling when looks at the manga and that image.
niwasatou
2008-12-12, 09:21
<snip>
You don't like this? I think it looks pretty good. Characters don't look quite the same as the do in the manga cover's, yet they still look pretty nice, I think... maybe just a bit more "childish"
I don't like forced moe and the manga covers left that impression, that's all.
New sets of chara-design pictures on Dengeki Online : 1 (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/127/127494/) & 2 (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/127/127536/)
Duo Maxwell
2008-12-13, 13:30
Not bad. Maybe because of the simplicity of anime version that gives me the inferior feeling compare to the manga.
Shadow Kira01
2008-12-18, 17:19
Saki (http://www.saki-anime.com/)
The site haven't been updated yet and the banner it promotes doesn't work either. It's blank..
http://www.saki-anime.com/banner/saki_banner.jpg
This mahjong anime seems to feature a nice seiyuu cast. Surprisingly, Fukuyama Jun will finally voice the protagonist of a romantic comedy instead of the usual antagonistic charismatic leader. On the contrary, before Code Geass, his roles weren't antagonistic either..
shomazta
2008-12-19, 03:24
what do you mean it's blank? next to that banner is html code to place on your own sites in order to promote the saki site, that banner isn't meant to link to anything elsewhere...
This mahjong anime seems to feature a nice seiyuu cast. Surprisingly, Fukuyama Jun will finally voice the protagonist of a romantic comedy instead of the usual antagonistic charismatic leader. On the contrary, before Code Geass, his roles weren't antagonistic either..
From what I've read Jun's character in this is kinda similar to his one in Angelic Layer and I really wouldn't classify this as being in the romantic genre... but things could change later on.
Two color pictures of the chara-design : Saki (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/130/130230/img.html) & Nodoka (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/130/130291/img.html)
looking at the character designs more closely, they seem fairly close to the manga. I mean, the sketches don't look that bad. I can't quite point out what's the problem I'm having, perhaps it's just the eye designs that seem so odd to me.
Toua uploaded some trailers (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2130500&postcount=2894) from Comiket 75, including one of Saki with actual footage of the anime:
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It turned out better than I thought. 3D animated mahjong has a charm on its own. But as far as this adaptation goes, I'm getting my hopes up--they even kept the over-top craziness of the manga (latter half of the trailer)--and if this serves of any hint, it may be worth checking out.
Finally, something done by Gonzo that I'm really looking forward to watch when it comes out... :heh:
serenade_beta
2008-12-28, 17:20
Character designs are... as thought, a bit on that side, but it looks potentially interesting. Some weird things happening near the end though... ???
I guess it all depends on how the story will be... Gonzo, after all... That Vampire+Rosa... No, nevermind...
The trailer is actually pretty good...better looking than the sketches before. Showing Komoro might suggest that it's actually going to be more than 12-14 epsiodes (?)
Duo Maxwell
2008-12-28, 21:14
Character designs are... as thought, a bit on that side, but it looks potentially interesting. Some weird things happening near the end though... ???
I guess it all depends on how the story will be... Gonzo, after all... That Vampire+Rosa... No, nevermind...
I can't see the connection here, except for Gonzo. Different director, different animation director, different screenplay, etc. In order words, the whole casts are different.
It turned out better than I thought. 3D animated mahjong has a charm on its own. But as far as this adaptation goes, I'm getting my hopes up--they even kept the over-top craziness of the manga (latter half of the trailer)--and if this serves of any hint, it may be worth checking out.
Maybe more than the manga, but it's one of the selling point to me.
Shadow Kira01
2008-12-29, 01:05
Trailer looks good..
I had always been wondering why there isn't a mahjong anime and here it is. Cool!
It turned out better than I thought. 3D animated mahjong has a charm on its own. But as far as this adaptation goes, I'm getting my hopes up--they even kept the over-top craziness of the manga (latter half of the trailer)--and if this serves of any hint, it may be worth checking out.Gonzo is borrowing visuals straight from Madhouse. :heh: That looked a lot better than the still frame character designs though.
Trailer looks good..
I had always been wondering why there isn't a mahjong anime and here it is. Cool!
There are a few of them out there already: Akagi and one from the 90's which the name of escapes me.
I had always been wondering why there isn't a mahjong anime and here it is. Cool!
Just for the record, ever heard of Kaiji? It's totally, totally different in style from Saki, but its about mahjong :p
KrebMarkt
2008-12-29, 12:44
Funny trailer.
They seem to over doing it a lot.
I just hope that won't make the plot to drag forever.
Just for the record, ever heard of Kaiji? It's totally, totally different in style from Saki, but its about mahjong :p
Kaiji is not about mahjong, though... ;)
Kaiji is not about mahjong, though... ;)
The last arc of Kaiji is about mahjong, but yes.
whoops, I always get the names mixed. I meant Akagi. :p
kk2extreme
2008-12-30, 00:56
They wont do stupid like something like yu gi oh, where the main characters always draw the right card at the right time (believe in the "heart of the card" BS), right???
Sorry not a manga reader, but just curious :heh:
Duo Maxwell
2008-12-30, 01:10
They wont do stupid like something like yu gi oh, where the main characters always draw the right card at the right time (believe in the "heart of the card" BS), right???
Sorry not a manga reader, but just curious :heh:
Do you know anything about Mahjong? It's a game that depends heavily on luck, even with all of your calculations and experience.
So you will get that kind of thing, just minus the "believe in the heart of the card" (goddamn it, no matter how hard I believe in my card, it doesn't turn out right, hence I don't like Yugi, at all).
Some artworks(I love Mahjong!!!)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0233/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_41_THISRES_2149 54.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0233/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_41_THISRES_2149 54)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0646/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_0_69_THISRES_2149 52.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0646/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_0_69_THISRES_2149 52)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0260/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_4_THISRES_21495 8.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0260/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_4_THISRES_21495 8)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0280/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_0_64_THISRES_2147 51.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0280/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_0_64_THISRES_2147 51)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0191/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_41_THISRES_2149 55.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0191/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_41_THISRES_2149 55)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0379/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_41_THISRES_2149 56.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0379/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_41_THISRES_2149 56)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0595/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_45_THISRES_2149 59.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0595/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_1_45_THISRES_2149 59)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0671/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_2_37_THISRES_2149 53.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0671/large_AnimePaper_scans_Saki_w62t_2_37_THISRES_2149 53)
Shadow Kira01
2008-12-31, 12:59
They wont do stupid like something like yu gi oh, where the main characters always draw the right card at the right time (believe in the "heart of the card" BS), right???
Sorry not a manga reader, but just curious :heh:
The comparison of mahjong with yu-gi-oh's card game just doesn't seem right. Yu-gi-oh's game were mainly about summoning demons and monsters, whereas Saki is all about playing a tile game. It's totally different!
Duo Maxwell
2008-12-31, 16:38
The comparison of mahjong with yu-gi-oh's card game just doesn't seem right. Yu-gi-oh's game were mainly about summoning demons and monsters, whereas Saki is all about playing a tile game. It's totally different!
Truth be told, I really want you to take back your words about Yu-gi-oh, but on second thought, I believe you don't understand how Yu-gi-oh's card game works, so well....
And the comparison is right, because Mahjong depend heavily in luck, and they turn the Yu-gi-oh anime into some friendship bullshit that also depend heavily in luck. I have to wonder....did you ever try playing Mahjong? =/
I didn't notice before, but they've also added a blog (http://saki-anime.com/blog/) to the website.... (for those interested to know)
more character designs are available at the very bottom of the blog... (not sure if they have been posted before)
it seems that Saki is going to start broadcast in Spring 2009.
hmmm, going on my "probationary take a look" list...
Duo Maxwell
2009-01-04, 10:44
hmmm, going on my "probationary take a look" list...
For the girl or for the game? :p
Obvious question is obvious....
read this manga before, not bad. I love mahjong (although Im a noob).
It was a great news to know this will become anime series, few more month to go :).
Darco_emp
2009-01-10, 23:19
From the PV this seems more like Mahou shoujo then Mah Jong, then again I'm not complaining.
the blog (http://saki-anime.com/blog/) made quite a few updates and from what I could understand...
* they went to eat tacos, lol...
* they went "location hunting" and "location scouting"
* they posted an interesting image in the latest entry.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7001/sakiclubuj0.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sakiclubuj0.jpg)
is this the same mahjong clubroom from the manga? :heh: I mean, the clubroom looks surprisingly good...
can we really expect good quality artwork for the anime?... I also find interesting the idea that they are planning to use actual locations for the adaptation (the ones the manga is based on)...
hmmm... I get the feeling they are pouring a lot more effort than "usual."
On another note, I have been listening the Drama CD of Saki (yeah, there's a Drama CD), and if my ears serve me well, the seiyuus featured are the same people cast for this anime adaptation. It's actually a good preview of what you should expect for the voice acting and overall feel of Saki. And to my surprise, I've come to enjoy it a lot more than I originally thought, especially with regards to the sound direction, which I hope remains as good as the Drama CD.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/967/saki01yt4.jpg
Taco, haha. ^^ I didn't really like the header pic on the site (too used to the manga), but the character designs look good so far. Will definitely be keeping an eye on this one, since I adored the manga, despite always being ambivalent about mahjong. :)
anselfir
2009-01-20, 19:48
where is my moekagi fffffff
New set of chara-design pictures on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/136/136222/).
Thanks for the link! Not so hot about the guy (hopefully he doesn't matter much?! XD) but the rest look good...Yuki's cute. (is that her name? First girl on that set of charadesigns... Fuzzy memory)
Yeah that's Yuuki.
Some screenshots are available on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/136/136501/).
edit : new screenshots (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/136/136518/)
thanks for posting... :)
the blog (http://www.saki-anime.com/blog/) made a few updates with the same character designs (seems they have been playing mahjong to get a hang of it :p)
I wonder when they are planning to post the trailer from comiket (that bootleg thing on youtube is not enough :heh:).
Shadow Kira01
2009-01-31, 14:08
A PV has just been added to Saki's official site (http://www.saki-anime.com/). Its in the format of flv, surprisingly. One of the best formats that saves bandwidth while maintaining its quality. :)
A PV has just been added to Saki's official site (http://www.saki-anime.com/). Its in the format of flv, surprisingly. One of the best formats that saves bandwidth while maintaining its quality. :)
Thanks for notifying. It looks nice. However this weird music doesn't fit the video.
But Epic Mahjong :heh:
Please tell me I am not the only one who thought
"Mahou Mahjong Shoujo Nodoka"
Shadow Kira01
2009-02-01, 00:51
Please tell me I am not the only one who thought
"Mahou Mahjong Shoujo Nodoka"
I didn't thought Saki would turn out to be something like that. I thought it was about a group of junior high students playing mahjong together or something like that, but...
It appears as though the mahjong table incorporates advanced technology that enable battles in another dimension while seated. It sounds strange and the music is more weird..
asrielchase
2009-02-01, 01:05
It appears as though the mahjong table incorporates advanced technology that enable battles in another dimension while seated. It sounds strange and the music is more weird..
The mangaka uses these mahou shoujo-like scenes to illustrate the matches from time to time, the table is just an ordinary table ^^;
Please tell me I am not the only one who thought
"Mahou Mahjong Shoujo Nodoka"
Magical Girl??? "No",these girls don't have "finishing move".:D
New character introduced on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/136/136536/) : Sawamura Tomoki.
edit : and Inoue Jun (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/136/136793/).
Darco_emp
2009-02-02, 07:08
Magical Girl??? "No",these girls don't have "finishing move".:D
This is where you are wrong about that... xD
Well,I just saw preview then I found OMG!!!(especially 1:16).I wish these finishing
moves are only imaginations not true technicalities.
it's called imagery... XD
couldn't agree more with kyouray: the music... there was just something wrong with it; hopefully it was just for the promotional video and it's not going to be the same for the anime. It's good to have a clean version of the comiket trailer, though. Those few seconds of kaichou/bouchou made me very happy. :) Expect a large female cast!
Saki's last line is exactly the same as the Drama CD... XD
On a random note, they are still frigging huge...
A new character appears after Inoue Jun (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/136/136793/) : Kunihiro Hajime (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/137/137197/) and Riyuumonbuchi Touka (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/137/137317/).
Watched the PV recently. That's some hardcore freakin' Mahjong. I think I'm gonna have to check this series out just for that.
Plus, as someone else in this thread mentioned, I think, it'd probably be good for me to learn a thing or two about Mahjong. :P
I'd watch Akagi in preparation for this, given that it is also series based around Mahjong and it's just that freaking good :p It's more on the lines of Death Note in terms of style though.
M.Marangio
2009-02-05, 05:49
This photo with the five new characters was posted on 2chan:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i180/M_Marangio/saki/th_sakinewcharacters.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i180/M_Marangio/saki/?action=view¤t=sakinewcharacters.jpg)
If it is legit, the five new characters are voiced by:
Amae Koromo: Kaori Fukuhara
Inoue Jun: Yuuko Kaida
Sawamura Tomoki: Erika Nakai
Kunihiro Hajime: Ai Shimizu
Riyuumonbuchi Touka: Minori Chihara
ETA: The last of the five characters and the voice actors also appear on Dengeki: Amae Koromo (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/137/137725/).
ETA2:All five characters were also posted on the production blog (http://saki-anime.com/blog/cat7/).
Thanks the cast. It's legit because we've the same on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/137/137725/) with Amae Koromo's pictures.
EDIT : You've edited before I posted :D
again, Thanks for posting... :)
I was going to mention that the blog made the same updates, but I think it's sort of redundant. :heh:
- Chihara Minori as Touka is an idea that is exciting in itself.
- Koromo is awesome...
hope this series can top Akagi (another Mahjong anime).
^
Its more like Hikaru no Go. Without the ghost. And with Yuri vibes.
Hmm... from the manga it'd seem it isn't that detailed in the games it presents. They only briefly skim through the matches, and mainly go for the hands resolution. Which is a shame (at least, they never go to the detail Akagi or Hikaru no Go did. It reminds me more of Shion no Ou I guess.)
I will say after reading the scanlated manga, checking some of the latest japanese chapters and listening to the drama CD, that there's very little in common between the two other than mahjong. I'm not sure of why, but the focus is put on the dynamics of the characters and not so much on the game itself. Though, I must admit that mahjong is in the end the most interesting aspect of Saki (each of the girls play it differently). So far, the charm of Saki has been reading and listening to the characters interact with each other, and share with them the fun they have by playing this game... just my opinion.
Thanks for notifying. It looks nice. However this weird music doesn't fit the video.
But Epic Mahjong :heh:
Epic Mahjong is another way to put it... :heh:
Even though it doesn't the music doesn't fit the video till the last part I am really looking forward to hearing when that track is used. It's a fun track :)
That said. I'm hoping this anime has good music.
Meido (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/140/140576/) ! :p
How to play Mahjong
http://www.chinatownconnection.com/mahjong_rules.html
http://f.imagehost.org/t/0350/5jg2.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0350/5jg2)
http://g.imagehost.org/t/0152/5jg5.jpg (http://g.imagehost.org/view/0152/5jg5)
How to play Mahjong
http://www.chinatownconnection.com/mahjong_rules.html
That has to be one of the worst descriptions of how to play mahjong that I have ever read. Also, that is written for Chinese mahjong, not Japanese. Wikipedia's mediocre article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahjong) has a far better writeup than that.
That has to be one of the worst descriptions of how to play mahjong that I have ever read. Also, that is written for Chinese mahjong, not Japanese. Wikipedia's mediocre article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahjong) has a far better writeup than that.
Chinese and Japanese mahjong aren't much different but yeah wikipedia
explains better.
New pictures on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/140/140858/).
The OP will be sung by Miyuki Hashimoto, as confirmed the TV Tokyo site for the show that opened today.
anselfir
2009-03-04, 03:23
fantasy girl show. it is a tried and true genre
M.Marangio
2009-03-04, 06:07
The blog has a sketch of Nodocchi's penguin. Some known sketches and a few interior backgrounds were also posted in the last weeks.
http://www.saki-anime.com/blog/
Tux, is it you?
Shadow Kira01
2009-03-04, 17:31
Is it my browser..? Why is the banner blank?
http://www.saki-anime.com/banner/saki_banner.jpg]
Invisible link.^
Click on quote to see it.
oh the penguin... the one object that truly brings the womanly charm in Nodoka
M.Marangio
2009-03-05, 07:05
Sketches of new opponents were posted on famitsu (http://www.famitsu.com/anime/news/1222515_1558.html), dengeki (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/143/143889/) and on gigazine (http://en.gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090305_saki_tsuruga_chara/) with an english translation.
Yumi Kajiki : Yu Kobayashi
Momoko Touyoko : Momoko Saito
Satomi Kanbara : Natsuko Kuwatani
Kaori Senoo : Ryoko Shintani
Mutsuki Tsuyama : Shin Nanasawa
This page (http://www.sunmusic.org/production/shin_nanasawa.htm) also mentions that the series will start on April 5 at 26:00 h.
ETA: The last rival team (see link below or famitsu (http://www.famitsu.com/anime/news/1222516_1558.html), gigazine (http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090306_saki_kazekoshi_chara/)) is composed by:
Mihoko Fukuji : Yui Horie
Kana Ikeda : Rika Morinaga
Miharu Yoshitome : Chiro Kanzaki
Sumiyo Fukabori : Mitsuki Saiga
Seika Bundou : Ai Matayoshi
ETA: There is also an interview with the five main voice actresses on dengeki (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/144/144344/).
There are others characters on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/143/143975/) too.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-17, 02:00
I'm kinda worry about this anime, because you know, after 1 week I only managed to grasp the basic of Mahjong. That shows how complex this game is, and to make it into an anime, where people can't have time to think when watching, I don't have much hope in the popularity of this show. Not to mention....subbing problem :(.
Still, I'll follow this one. The seiyuu cast looks promising.
Heh. I'm sure there're people sufficiently-into mahjong. The scanlations I saw were quite competently-done. :D So it's possible! Just have hope.
Besides, it's just like anime to make something that seems ._. complex become interesting and fun...I personally liked Hikaru no Go, but I still have no idea how to play. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching how they play, though! XD
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-17, 04:12
Heh. I'm sure there're people sufficiently-into mahjong. The scanlations I saw were quite competently-done. :D So it's possible! Just have hope.
Besides, it's just like anime to make something that seems ._. complex become interesting and fun...I personally liked Hikaru no Go, but I still have no idea how to play. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching how they play, though! XD
The scan only goes up to volume 2 (and it's long ago). I've tried to read the raw with my limited knowledge on Japanese Mahjong and some tutorial, but it's kinda hard to understand, although the manga doesn't trying to go in deeply about Mahjong.
Still, the moe part can draw a lot of people in, I guess. This is the case where I can say "death by moe". Beside, with all those over the top scenes, I guess I can't complain about not understanding the game :heh:.
Haha, yeah, I'm actually kinda looking forward to that. Saki is a bit different from all those bubbling-over-with-cuteness main characters, which was one of the reasons I liked the manga in the first place..
From what little I know about mahjong, the 'normal' ways of winning aren't all that complicated -- just collecting sets + a pair. It's the scoring when I was learning it that made me go okaaay, I think I'll just play an abbreviated version. XD
Three months isn't that long ago! XD Maybe/probably because I read it all at one go some time in Jan..maybe..
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-17, 04:45
Holy crap, just 3 months ago? O_o
I feel like I read them all for a long long time.
Only winning doesn't interest me much, because I have played Mahjong before and only care about how to win (*cough* H game *cough*). Until I read Saki, and the scoring system kinda spark an interest in me, I started to seriously learn Mahjong. I keep on miscalculate the score when playing Mahjong on PC, though XD. And when the strategy involve with the scoring, my head is spinning.
I guess the anime will only cover up to the current tournament (not like the manga has finished that tournament, though :p).
Koromo is awesome. The cute girl that can kill people with her glance.
M.Marangio
2009-03-17, 22:09
Here (http://en.gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090318_saki/ ) is an article from the Tokyo Anime Fair 2009 with some pictures of Gonzo's stand and of a leaflet. Apparently there will be a new Mahjong-based arcade game with a Saki theme.
(Gonzo's TAF page: http://www.gonzo.co.jp/taf2009/)
Also, on March 25 volume 5 of the manga will be released (see the manga HP (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/magazine/yg/introduction/saki/)).
Saki has been picked up for Crunchyroll streaming (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-18/crunchyroll-to-add-chi-mainichi-kasan-saki-anime). Being that it is Gonzo, it might be available on Youtube too like their other projects.
A trip to Lantis' website confirms that the ED is "Netsuretsu Kangei Wonderland", sung by the main seiyuu cast: Ueda, Koshimizu, Kugimiya, Shiraishi and Itou.
einhorn303
2009-03-19, 17:19
Great, I've been thinking for a while that CrunchyRoll needs more moe titles to broaden it's appeal (after the pleasant surprise of seeing Strike Witches in English legally).
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-21, 00:14
After reading to vol.4, I can safely say that this show is loli heaven.
Darco_emp
2009-03-21, 09:11
You forgot to mention this show is 99% Yuri heaven too. We just need to remove that one male that I do not even remember the name of...
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-21, 09:16
Kyou....something, if my mind serves me right. What a shame, to think Jun Fukuyama voices him :heh:.
And 90% of the girls are likable.
Hopefully this will draw people's interest in Mahjong, just like how Hikaru no Go has done.
Hikaru no Go was actually driven at getting people interested in Go, and as such guided the viewer through Hikaru ordeals, from learning the basics of the game to steadily leveling up, including a Go Tutoring session at the end of each episode. This one just uses Mahjong as a story ploy without caring to explain how Mahjong works, which is the same case with Shion no Oh. (which is one of the reasons I consider Hikaru no Go to be much superior to the other two, among other reasons like Hikaru no Go being much more believable in terms of Hikaru ad his companions strength and their learning rate.)
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-21, 14:04
That's also true. I guess I was talking about myself, seeing how Saki sparked my interest in Mahjong.
einhorn303
2009-03-21, 16:21
After reading to vol.4, I can safely say that this show is loli heaven.
That volume 2 cover for the manga is (*´Д`)ﾊｧﾊｧ
http://www.animekon.com/uploads/2008/11/Saki-hawtness2.jpg
Hopefully this will draw people's interest in Mahjong, just like how Hikaru no Go has done.
I doubt it will. Akagi didn't seem to draw much interest and Akagi had much more of an explanation than this one ever does. This one even requires understanding the scoring system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Mahjong_scoring_rules).
If you are trying to learn mahjong, I strongly suggest that you play an actual game with other people. Playing mahjong on the computer or against the computer is not really the same. I haven't played mahjong in 4 years (it's time consuming in my case), but I must say that nothing can be more fun or entertaining than playing the game itself--it's surprisingly addictive once you get the hang of it.
I'm not sure of this fact, but from my personal observation, I get the impression that mahjong is already a popular game--at least in China, where my family1 comes from (I haven't been in China, though). On the other hand, I don't think this show is going to increase the interest in the game because, well, if you look at the manga, it has no intentions of "promoting" mahjong, as opposed to: "assuming" that you already know how to play so you can follow the story along those lines. However, this shouldn't be an impediment to enjoy this anime because of the other selling point... :heh:
And yeah, I think there are going to be more yuri undertones than lolis in this show... :P
1. my whole family knows how to play mahjong, even grandma does... :heh:
Saki has been picked up for Crunchyroll streaming (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-03-18/crunchyroll-to-add-chi-mainichi-kasan-saki-anime). Being that it is Gonzo, it might be available on Youtube too like their other projects.
Terrible news.
Also, DAT COVER.
einhorn303
2009-03-21, 22:17
Terrible news.
Also, DAT COVER.
Being able to watch anime legally, legitimately, with officially accurate translations, and the same day it's broadcast in Japan is bad news?
If you want to download the show illegally, people will still be putting it up on torrents. And if it's like Druaga and Strike Witches etc (following the Gonzo trend), there'll be legal downloads too.
Also, NOPAN?! FROM SUCH A HEIGHT?!
Darco_emp
2009-03-22, 01:39
accurate part is a little bit far stretched I believe, given my impression over the brief look I had with Pantsu Witches.
While this show may draw people into playing more Mah Jong, It will nothing to teach with to do so. As I stated before, I'll look at this show as a Mahou Shoujo series given all the ultimate moves that the some of the cast seems to have...
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-22, 23:51
If you are trying to learn mahjong, I strongly suggest that you play an actual game with other people. Playing mahjong on the computer or against the computer is not really the same. I haven't played mahjong in 4 years (it's time consuming in my case), but I must say that nothing can be more fun or entertaining than playing the game itself--it's surprisingly addictive once you get the hang of it.
I'm not sure of this fact, but from my personal observation, I get the impression that mahjong is already a popular game--at least in China, where my family1 comes from (I haven't been in China, though). On the other hand, I don't think this show is going to increase the interest in the game because, well, if you look at the manga, it has no intentions of "promoting" mahjong, as opposed to: "assuming" that you already know how to play so you can follow the story along those lines. However, this shouldn't be an impediment to enjoy this anime because of the other selling point... :heh:
Non of my acquaintance knows how to play Mahjong, so I have no choice but playing against computer. Not a bad choice because quite I'm still learning, I can practice calculating the score and compares with computer's result. Thus, playing against computer has its advantage, I can take my time to think without people bugging me. For beginner, I think playing on the computer is the best choice.
On the manga itself.....I don't think there is any shorter skirt in the world.
Non of my acquaintance knows how to play Mahjong, so I have no choice but playing against computer. Not a bad choice because quite I'm still learning, I can practice calculating the score and compares with computer's result. Thus, playing against computer has its advantage, I can take my time to think without people bugging me. For beginner, I think playing on the computer is the best choice.Also, you don't have to worry about "is this actually a winning hand" when playing a computer as most will block you from incorrectly declaring victory. This is much better for a beginner who doesn't realize that they've entered furi-ten or that they actually don't have a winning hand when they think they do.
stormy001_M1A2
2009-03-23, 12:36
I seen too many mahjong games and how this game broke up so many lives because of the gambling addiction caused by this game since I grew up in a mahjong parlour. I just couldn't wrap my mind around this as just a game aspect and watch it.
This show is so unlike Gonzo's usual stuff.
Do they really really need to slam down the tiles? I didn't know Mahjong is a contact sport. :bash:
Trailer from Tokyo Anime Fair is available on the official website (http://www.saki-anime.com/special_movie.html) : select the "第二弾" video.
Nice.
qmeister
2009-03-25, 17:43
This show is so unlike Gonzo's usual stuff.
Do they really really need to slam down the tiles? I didn't know Mahjong is a contact sport. :bash:
It's sort of an 'in your face' thing. Like, 'HAH, I'VE GOT THIS COMBINATION AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING!' My family does that.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-25, 18:42
This show is so unlike Gonzo's usual stuff.
Do they really really need to slam down the tiles? I didn't know Mahjong is a contact sport. :bash:
Because we like it? =/
It's anime, and you want it become a realistic Mahjong movie?
let's say that is normal to slam down mahjong tiles---it's just that they exaggerate this notion in the anime. :heh:
Saw the second trailer, and now having heard it, I like the OP. All that remains is to see what animation it has going with it.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-25, 21:34
My Mahjong board is kinda small, so in fact, I have never slammed down the mahjong tile before (although I always wish to do it once).
Tried to make a pose when winning once, but it looks stupid so I stopped :heh:. Sigh, those girls can make themselves cool or cute by doing that.
By the way, when I was reading the manga, I always wonder why do they keep putting the tile horizontally on top of other tiles?
reallly loved the way the CGId hands fused cleanly with the normaly drawn frames..
also, nice op song.
npcomplete
2009-03-25, 22:56
After reading to vol.4, I can safely say that this show is loli heaven.
You forgot to mention this show is 99% Yuri heaven too.
-> R18 doujin heaven :heh:
DragonBladeX
2009-03-26, 01:10
By the way, when I was reading the manga, I always wonder why do they keep putting the tile horizontally on top of other tiles?
That is to show the tile they just drawn, which helps a lot unless the creator wants readers to spend a lot of time comparing previous panels to see what tile the player has drawn :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2009-03-27, 01:52
That volume 2 cover for the manga is (*´Д`)ﾊｧﾊｧ
http://www.animekon.com/uploads/2008/11/Saki-hawtness2.jpg
Lolis and Mahjong......I see. Well I'm definitely sold now.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-27, 03:37
Lolis and Mahjong......I see. Well I'm definitely sold now.
And Kugimiya Rie for that Tacos girl :p.
Well, I'm not surprised to see you here for the first reason, but Mahjong, really?
Kaioshin Sama
2009-03-27, 03:53
And Kugimiya Rie for that Tacos girl :p.
Well, I'm not surprised to see you here for the first reason, but Mahjong, really?
I'm a pretty experienced Mahjong player....well when it comes to video Mahjong that is. :heh: Spent a lot of time playing video Mahjong on M.A.M.E against girls just like that (I think?). :confused: I know all the rules from your reaches to your Tsumo's too your seat winds to your prevailing winds too....well, I'd rather not say. :naughty:
Anywhere we're long overdue for an anime about Mahjong....just hope they keep to it as much as they keep to the grrls.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-27, 10:01
You may want to check the manga to know where you should place your expectation :p. Saki requires a lot of Mahjong knowledge first hand to be able to follow the manga (sometimes I have to read a sentence 3 or 4 times to understand what are they talking about), and large amount of suspended belief to enjoy it because, well, Saki's devil luck (although she has skill, and quite good, but how did she come to her winning hand is hard to believe).
But what can I say? Over the top action and reaction from various kind of cute girls and lolis are enough to make me enjoyed it.
There is one thing I like about the manga is how they handle the "overwhelming" battle, or you can say, "grunt owning" battle. The manga doesn't waste time for such battles, instead they are used as stage for showing briefly how each member plays their games (like, some match only last 3 pages XD). To me, the main show begins when they reach the final (vol.2 onward).
Anywhere we're long overdue for an anime about Mahjong....just hope they keep to it as much as they keep to the grrls.
Haven't you seen Akagi? o_o It's pretty much the staple series (more like the only one before this) when it comes to Mahjong.
You may want to check the manga to know where you should place your expectation . Saki requires a lot of Mahjong knowledge first hand to be able to follow the manga (sometimes I have to read a sentence 3 or 4 times to understand what are they talking about), and large amount of suspended belief to enjoy it because, well, Saki's devil luck (although she has skill, and quite good, but how did she come to her winning hand is hard to believe).
BTW, I know pretty much to nothing when it comes from Mahjong besides what I actually picked up from the aforementioned Akagi, however Akagi did a pretty good job in explaining its terminology and the game basics, so even for a complete novice like me i've been able to follow the Saki manga with relative ease.
Anywhere we're long overdue for an anime about Mahjong....just hope they keep to it as much as they keep to the grrls.
Haven't you seen Akagi? o_o It's pretty much the staple series (more like the only one before this) when it comes to Mahjong.
There are a bunch of mahjong animes prior to this. It's just Akagi is the only one that everyone knows these days. There is Legendary Gambler Tetsuya (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2143) and there were a few others in the 80s/90s.
Caught up with scanlations. I'm interested in who they will get to voice Koromo (girl with usagi-ribbon) with a cute aristocratic attitude like that :) .
There are a bunch of mahjong animes prior to this. It's just Akagi is the only one that everyone knows these days. There is Legendary Gambler Tetsuya and there were a few others in the 80s/90s.
I stand corrected. Then again I felt I would be, given that I haven't thoughtfully researched the genre (in that case I shouldn't be spreading such absolutes... aw well.)
M.Marangio
2009-03-28, 16:12
I'm interested in who they will get to voice Koromo
Amae Koromo: Kaori Fukuhara (Tsukasa Hiiragi in Lucky Star)
Inoue Jun: Yuuko Kaida
Sawamura Tomoki: Erika Nakai
Kunihiro Hajime: Ai Shimizu
Riyuumonbuchi Touka: Minori Chihara
Yumi Kajiki : Yu Kobayashi
Momoko Touyoko : Momoko Saito
Satomi Kanbara : Natsuko Kuwatani
Kaori Senoo : Ryoko Shintani
Mutsuki Tsuyama : Shin Nanasawa
Mihoko Fukuji : Yui Horie
Kana Ikeda : Rika Morinaga
Miharu Yoshitome : Chiro Kanzaki
Sumiyo Fukabori : Mitsuki Saiga
Seika Bundou : Ai Matayoshi
See also these two articles with sketches and short descriptions (already posted in previous posts):
http://en.gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090220_saki_tvtokyo/
http://en.gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090305_saki_tsuruga_chara/
http://en.gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20090306_saki_kazekoshi_chara/
Thanks!
Looking at the designs again. Anyone else love the colors of this? The quality looks amazing.
Pretty cool that all teams have atleast one recognizable veteran seiyu.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-28, 21:43
Make sense, because almost all the girls are lovable XD.
And lolz at Momoko. I actually wanted to see how will they show Momoko, and this is what I get :heh:. Kinda spoiler, though.
Guys, apart from the loli, no-pan, GONZO, etc. have you noticed that this has the same director as Dragonaut and character designs are from the same dude that did the Erotic Torture Chamber :uhoh: Also in the promo apart from the crappy 3D, the lolis tend to transform in all the mahou shoujo glory :twitch: WTF :eyespin:
Sorry for stating the obvious, but I am puzzled that none has yet begun ridiculing it, unless I am way off with my impressions :confused:
Actually people have already pointed out separately all of which you've combined into one post.
But we can only judge when the actual show starts.
Mainly I'm most interested in Nodoka which people in this thread don't seem too interested because most are more interested in lolis for this one.
Actually people have already pointed out separately all of which you've combined into one post.
But we can only judge when the actual show starts.
Mainly I'm most interested in Nodoka which people in this thread don't seem too interested because most are more interested in lolis for this one.
Nodoka is the meganekko with the green hair?
... and since I forgot where is 'Taro (VA: Fukuyama Jun) in the promo?
Nodoka is the meganekko with the green hair?
... and since I forgot where is 'Taro (VA: Fukuyama Jun) in the promo?
I think Nodoka is the pinked haired one with the really large boobs.
Yea, for some reason I like her boobs lol
But if we're going to see something of that level of the vol 2 cover, Yuuki would be my favourite as well.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-29, 20:25
Even though you said that, there are like, what, 3 lolis in this whole show.
And as far as I see, no one pick their favorite yet. In fact, all the girls are lovable, so I don't want to pick favorite in this one :p.
And the cover, well, is just a cover. I don't remember seeing any scene like that in the manga, and hardly in the anime :heh:.
Once they reach the final, I'll claim all the 3 lolis and some others :p
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Guys, apart from the loli, no-pan, GONZO, etc. have you noticed that this has the same director as Dragonaut and character designs are from the same dude that did the Erotic Torture Chamber :uhoh: Also in the promo apart from the crappy 3D, the lolis tend to transform in all the mahou shoujo glory :twitch: WTF :eyespin:
Sorry for stating the obvious, but I am puzzled that none has yet begun ridiculing it, unless I am way off with my impressions :confused:
Because Dragonaut and this one are 2 different categories? He can screw up big there, but I don't think it matters much here until I see with my own eyes. Character design, well, we've already seen them all, so what's the problem?
Beside, I thought the 3D blend pretty well in the scene. And don't touch the mahou shoujo glory. It's what makes this show unique in its own genre.
Judging from your reaction, I guess you haven't read the manga yet?
When I know all the girls well, I'll set up a waifu system here as well.
Guys, apart from the loli, no-pan, GONZO, etc. have you noticed that this has the same director as Dragonaut and character designs are from the same dude that did the Erotic Torture Chamber :uhoh: Also in the promo apart from the crappy 3D, the lolis tend to transform in all the mahou shoujo glory :twitch: WTF :eyespin:
Sorry for stating the obvious, but I am puzzled that none has yet begun ridiculing it, unless I am way off with my impressions :confused:
I'm not sure of how to reply to this without giving away some spoilers here and there... but all I can say is that you should watch at least the first three mahjong games that are going to be featured in Saki, and then form your opinion of the show.
As for me, I've done enough research to get a sense of what to expect---I've been reading the manga and the Drama CD is one of my favorites, so yeah... :heh: (The Drama CD is actually the thing that convince me to watch this adaptation).
Nodoka is the meganekko with the green hair?
... and since I forgot where is 'Taro (VA: Fukuyama Jun) in the promo?
Jun Fukuyama is unfortunately voicing a minor character. He is the only guy featured in the promotional video (not the first one, but the second one). Actually, I think he is the only male character in the show...
Bonta Kun
2009-03-29, 20:50
When I know all the girls well, I'll set up a waifu system here as well.
oh in that case me claims Haramura Nodoka! like you say "for some reason I like her boobs":D
plus she has twintails!:love:
oh how I remember the days I used to play Mahjong, had a uncle teach me and my sister how to play. Don't know how to play now tho, totally forgotten everything about it(I have a terrible memory and things tend not to stick with me)
but when I came across this series had to read it. Most of my family can play, might try to take it up again:D
Judging from your reaction, I guess you haven't read the manga yet?
:confused: YET :confused: I am more of an anime fan, not game/manga/novel, with exceptions of course, like Type-Moon and Altus, since they rarely fail me.
I just find it puzzling that people are excited by a show that in my book registers such a luck of direction even before it starts. Of course, I do not want to sound absolute, since I have not seen even one episode, but things look somewhat desperate here :heh:
@Bonta Kun: What, before I even start, you got me to start the system lol, I guess, more work for the Marriage Registry:
Nodoka: C.A., Bonta Kun
New members to the waifu system, just post here and announce your waifu, I'll record them down. I'm not sure if people are going with multiple waifus here or choosing only one.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-29, 21:07
I can't, C.A. I don't want to bring you a whole list of my waifu. I like about 60% the number of girls in Saki :(.
I just find it puzzling that people are excited by a show that in my book registers such a luck of direction even before it starts. Of course, I do not want to sound absolute, since I have not seen even one episode, but things look somewhat desperate here :heh:
In that case, I have said everything I need to say. If you gonna watch the show with that kind of mindset, I don't think you will be able to enjoy it like we do.
Even though you said that, there are like, what, 3 lolis in this whole show.
Am I looking at a different series? That's not actually a loli on that cover. It's just drawn like one there. She's the exact same age as Saki and is only of a slight difference in stature.
Am I looking at a different series? That's not actually a loli on that cover. It's just drawn like one there. She's the exact same age as Saki and is only of a slight difference in stature.
Thanks.... looks like we're already getting into a few "teaching moments" here. An art style doesn't define an age.
Shadow Kira01
2009-03-29, 21:48
Kobayashi Yu is voicing one of the rival team members, I wonder how good she is at seiyuu role. I was never interested in any of the animes where she voices characters. However, she did a great job on the ending song of Dragonaut. Perhaps, that's the only thing I like about the series which is currently on-hold.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-29, 22:45
I don't mean to be rude, but do people actually try watching an anime just basing on the seiyuu they like?
Am I looking at a different series? That's not actually a loli on that cover. It's just drawn like one there. She's the exact same age as Saki and is only of a slight difference in stature.
And? Loli isn't defined by age, as far as I know. Evangeline from Negima is an loli, and do you know how old is she?
And the never-ending multiplicity of meanings continue.... :)
The problem is that there seem to be several distinct meanings of "loli" and a consensus seems unreachable.
Bonta Kun
2009-03-29, 23:06
I don't mean to be rude, but do people actually try watching an anime just basing on the seiyuu they like?
You know always wondered about that, I know the whole seiyuu thing is huge n all, I do try to keep up with who doing what and so forth but I don't let it decide what anime to watch. Same with Studios, I don't get why people think if a studio did poorly with one series they will with another.
I just find all that stuff makes watching anime not fun.
but thats just me, altho I do love the seiyuu list for this series:D
I don't mean to be rude, but do people actually try watching an anime just basing on the seiyuu they like?
That is but one of many factors.
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-29, 23:15
Actually, I don't really think it's a big deal, but when I see
Perhaps, that's the only thing I like about the series which is currently on-hold.
I was like "Seriously?". How can one keep watching an anime that has absolutely nothing interesting aspect to him except for the seiyuu?
Well, it's fine if the show can entertain him, just don't come and complain if it doesn't meet your expectation or fit your taste just because you have absolutely no idea about the anime.
Kaoru Chujo is one of our fellow posters who really follows Seiyuu and will take on a series if particular favorites are involved. I have a few VAs I'm fond of.... but if the gig is in a genre or a plotline I already know I dislike, I'll give it a pass.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-03-29, 23:28
:confused: YET :confused: I am more of an anime fan, not game/manga/novel, with exceptions of course, like Type-Moon and Altus, since they rarely fail me.
I just find it puzzling that people are excited by a show that in my book registers such a luck of direction even before it starts. Of course, I do not want to sound absolute, since I have not seen even one episode, but things look somewhat desperate here :heh:
Hey buddy, still prejudging stuff I see ;) So ummm.......I take it your not going to be watching this one eh?
Kaoru Chujo
2009-03-30, 00:26
Kaoru Chujo is one of our fellow posters who really follows Seiyuu and will take on a series if particular favorites are involved. I have a few VAs I'm fond of.... but if the gig is in a genre or a plotline I already know I dislike, I'll give it a pass.The presence of seiyuu I like will definitely get me to watch an episode or two of any series, no matter what genre it is in or what quality I expect it to be. But even great seiyuu can't keep me watching a show that is otherwise uninteresting for me. I gave up on Zettai Karen Children despite Hirano Aya; and Wagaya no Oinarisama despite Hayami Saori. To say nothing of Code Geass, despite Yukana, Koshimizu Ami, and Orikasa Fumiko.
But I don't expect the only attraction of this show to be its seiyuu. The manga is cute and fairly involving. The director of Dragonaut is hardly an attraction, but the writer of Monster and Strawberry Panic sounds fairly promising. And the mahjong aspect is intriguing.
Loli isn't defined by age, as far as I know.
Which is a rather alarming fact, like crimes defined without actual victims ;)
Hey buddy, still prejudging stuff I see ;)
Since there is nothing else but a preview, how can I do anything else other than prejudge :heh:
So ummm.......I take it your not going to be watching this one eh?
I did not drop Kurokami, Tsukihime, etc; despite the atrocious writing and butchering of source material ... unlike others :uhoh:
Duo Maxwell
2009-03-30, 02:54
Which is a rather alarming fact, like crimes defined without actual victims ;)
Okay, I understand. Let's stop here because basically, we have different view on the same thing.
The presence of seiyuu I like will definitely get me to watch an episode or two of any series, no matter what genre it is in or what quality I expect it to be. But even great seiyuu can't keep me watching a show that is otherwise uninteresting for me. I gave up on Zettai Karen Children despite Hirano Aya; and Wagaya no Oinarisama despite Hayami Saori. To say nothing of Code Geass, despite Yukana, Koshimizu Ami, and Orikasa Fumiko.
But I don't expect the only attraction of this show to be its seiyuu. The manga is cute and fairly involving. The director of Dragonaut is hardly an attraction, but the writer of Monster and Strawberry Panic sounds fairly promising. And the mahjong aspect is intriguing.
Sorry, shouldn't have spoken for you :) Aye, the manga looks to be an enjoyable basis for an anime ... and normally, I *would* run screaming away knowing the director was the point man on Dragonauts but we'll just assume he was working with what he had.... o.O
Hmmm, that reminds me I never did finish Wagaya no Oinarisama either.... I have all the eps... just lost incentive to finish.
I will say the series has got me interested in finding out how mahjong is played --- for years I've just played the matching tile PC game and my wife expressed some interest last time we were wandering in the shops of San Francisco Chinatown district.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-03-30, 04:58
Sorry, shouldn't have spoken for you :) Aye, the manga looks to be an enjoyable basis for an anime ... and normally, I *would* run screaming away knowing the director was the point man on Dragonauts but we'll just assume he was working with what he had.... o.O
Hmmm, that reminds me I never did finish Wagaya no Oinarisama either.... I have all the eps... just lost incentive to finish.
I will say the series has got me interested in finding out how mahjong is played --- for years I've just played the matching tile PC game and my wife expressed some interest last time we were wandering in the shops of San Francisco Chinatown district.
You ever played Gin Rummy? It's closest to that as far as Western table games go.
You know always wondered about that, I know the whole seiyuu thing is huge n all, I do try to keep up with who doing what and so forth but I don't let it decide what anime to watch. Same with Studios, I don't get why people think if a studio did poorly with one series they will with another.
I just find all that stuff makes watching anime not fun.
but thats just me, altho I do love the seiyuu list for this series:D
Having a good seiyuu cast is usually a plus for me, although I must admit that I'm actually looking forward to this show mostly because of the seiyuus. They did a wonderful job in the Drama CD (at least the main characters who were featured), and that left a good impression on me for the future anime adaptation.
Bonta Kun
2009-03-30, 13:24
I will say the series has got me interested in finding out how mahjong is played --- for years I've just played the matching tile PC game and my wife expressed some interest last time we were wandering in the shops of San Francisco Chinatown district.
from what I remember when I used to play, alot of gambling was involved(mind whenever I played it was just chips used:p)
From what I gather from watching family play these days, best to have some money or bet involved, makes it a little more fun:D
This is all just probably influence from my big gambling family, they do love the local casinos-___-
When I was reading this seires, I thought I gotta learn to play again and meet a lass like Nodoka-chan but then it dawned on me "...yea right, keeping dreaming...."
btw if you haven't guessed already I'm a huge Nodoka-chan fan!:love:
Nodoka and her penguin = epic win! oh how I love her and her penguin!:p
I don't mean to be rude, but do people actually try watching an anime just basing on the seiyuu they like?
Personally speaking... if my interest in a show was say.... 7/10... having a lot of fav VA's casted in it would bump it up to a 8.... it's more an icing on the cake thing that a zomg I must check this out... though I must admit Romi Paku nearly makes me thing that way... :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2009-03-31, 02:12
Personally speaking... if my interest in a show was say.... 7/10... having a lot of fav VA's casted in it would bump it up to a 8.... it's more an icing on the cake thing that a zomg I must check this out... though I must admit Romi Paku nearly makes me thing that way... :heh:
Hmmm....this is probably the first instance I have seen of anticipation for shows being rated numerically.
its all ones and zeros at the bottom .... :)
<Farnsworth voice>Good news everyone...</voice>
Gonzo isn't in charge of Saki. TV Tokyo is managing it and therefore, after ep1, it will be delayed on CR by a week for non-paying members.
-boggles- Aren't other stations (TV Aichi, etc) airing it as well, unless they're subject to TVTokyo's management too? ._.
-boggles- Aren't other stations (TV Aichi, etc) airing it as well, unless they're subject to TVTokyo's management too? ._.
This has nothing to do with broadcasters but rather who finances production and manages the rights (the larger stakeholders dominate the committee and thus have the most influence).
<Farnsworth voice>Good news everyone...</voice>
Gonzo isn't in charge of Saki. TV Tokyo is managing it and therefore, after ep1, it will be delayed on CR by a week for non-paying members.
Ugh...I was hoping to be able to pay for DRM-free episodes to download like what Gonzo and Crunchyroll did with Druaga. I'm glad to pay for anime, but I'm not a big fan of paying for streaming, I like having a downloaded copy of the episode.
einhorn303
2009-04-01, 12:40
Yup, this'll be my first time making a CrunchyRoll account. For Saki and Shangri-la it's worth it, though I'll probably lapse my subscription once their done, unless CrunchyRoll gets more moe shows. I don't care an iota about Naruto or whatever.
Ugh...I was hoping to be able to pay for DRM-free episodes to download like what Gonzo and Crunchyroll did with Druaga. I'm glad to pay for anime, but I'm not a big fan of paying for streaming, I like having a downloaded copy of the episode.
Of course, you don't *have* to pay to watch it, you could always watch it free a week-later. Or wait till it comes out (?) on DVD.
I sure do wish BOST was still an active company.
on unrelated news, first +1 scan of the show (from megami):
http://f.imagehost.org/t/0398/saki.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0398/saki)
... oh yes, yuri...
einhorn303
2009-04-01, 14:32
on unrelated news, first +1 scan of the show (from megami):
http://f.imagehost.org/t/0398/saki.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0398/saki)
... oh yes, yuri...
From this and that manga cover, I'm starting to think, if Strike Witches was a show where pants didn't exist, is this a world where panties don't exist?!
Damn, I've never like boobs that are too big, but Nodoka really has got beautiful assets.
Bonta Kun
2009-04-01, 17:48
on unrelated news, first +1 scan of the show (from megami):
http://f.imagehost.org/t/0398/saki.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0398/saki)
... oh yes, yuri...
OMG!!! cookie for you!!!:D
Nodoka really has got beautiful assets.
quoted for the truth!
beautiful assets FTW!!:p
what the hell are you talking about, in the other pictures nodoka has big breats but this is just too much #_#
thats about as big as machina's\garnet's from dragonaut 0_0
I may give Crunchyroll a test run with this series....
Duo Maxwell
2009-04-01, 21:25
Damn, I've never like boobs that are too big, but Nodoka really has got beautiful assets.
Nodoka may be the first girl with big boobs that I like, but somehow that Megami scan is kinda exaggerated her boob size.
Still, once Kunihiro Hajime rolled out, I lost my heart.
I think I'm viewing anime art in a more artistic perspective, less real aesthetics lol
I think somehow her curves look really beautiful, the lines and stuff.
I think I'm viewing anime art in a more artistic perspective, less real aesthetics lol
I think somehow her curves look really beautiful, the lines and stuff.
Coupled with the lines. I'm all about the colors. 2009 IS A GOOD LOOKING YEAR.....for anime.
Coupled with the lines. I'm all about the colors. 2009 IS A GOOD LOOKING YEAR.....for anime.Yea lol, you should check out Sorakake Girl as well if you haven't watch it.
qmeister
2009-04-01, 22:09
Yea lol, you should check out Sorakake Girl as well if you haven't watch it.
I second that.
I'm still not sure whether I'll follow Saki when it begins proper, I guess I'll give it the three episode judgement.
Duo Maxwell
2009-04-01, 22:29
I second that.
I'm still not sure whether I'll follow Saki when it begins proper, I guess I'll give it the three episode judgement.
Not enough. The coolest moment starts from 2nd volume onward, where each school has its own "Ace".
qmeister
2009-04-01, 23:00
^ Ooh, that sounds fun, so long as it doesn't bore me to tears, I guess I'll just go along for the ride.
Some screenshots on Dengeki Online (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/150/150146/).
Hot Nodoka (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/150/150153/img.html) :naughty:
einhorn303
2009-04-03, 12:54
CrunchyRoll's updated with the air time of the first episode: 1:30 PM on Sunday April 5th.
Also, awesome oppai are awesome.
Wow, the first episode is quite nice and the anime adaptation is very faithfull to the manga. Good job!
It's almost Saki versus K-On! Both are about clubs, Mahjong club versus Light music club.
I must say you have to know some basic rules of Mahjong, otherwise you can not follow the anime well.
Quarkboy
2009-04-05, 13:00
Wow, the first episode is quite nice and the anime adaptation is very faithfull to the manga. Good job!
It's almost Saki versus K-On! Both are about clubs, Mahjong club versus Light music club.
I must say you have to know some basic rules of Mahjong, otherwise you can not follow the anime well.
Here's a writeup I made of the rules:
Mahjong has a large number of variants around the world. There's classic Chinese mahjong, there's American mahjong, and there's the style of mahjong played in Saki called "Riichi Mahjong" which is the most common style played in Japan.
For terminology I will be following the official rules of riichi mahjong by the European mahjong association:
http://mahjong-europe.org/filer/riichirules.pdf
The setup:
There are 136 tiles total, which consist of 4 copies of 34 unique tiles.
1 through 9 of circles (tiles with pictures of small circles on them).
1 through 9 of bamboo (tiles with pictures of bamboo rods. The 1-bamboo traditionally also has a picture of a bird).
1 through 9 of characters (tiles with the Chinese character for 10,000. In Japanese mahjong sets they are labeled in katakana)
4 winds (tiles with the Chinese characters for east, south, west, and north)
3 dragons, which consist of the red dragon (a red Chinese character "chuu" or "chung" which means "middle"), the white dragon (a blank tile), and the green dragon (a gree Chinese character "fa" which means "growth").
That's 9*3+7=34 different tiles. There are 4 copies of each one giving 136 tiles total.
Sticks (or chips):
Each player gets 30,000 points worth of sticks at the start of the game; 1 stick worth 10,000, 2 worth 5,000, 9 worth 1,000 and 10 worth 100 points.
At the beginning of the game, each player sets aside a certain amount of points that ends up going to whoever has the most points at the end of the game as a bonus. Usually this is 5,000 points from each player. In some variations the bonus is split it between the player who got first and the player who got second.
The flow of the game:
A standard length game of riichi mhjong is played over 2 rounds, with at least 4 hands in each round. The first round is the "east wind" round and the second round is the "south wind" round. The wind direction of the round factors into the scoring and will be covered later. The players are seated in certain positions as East, South, West, and North (in that order counterclockwise), and after the hand is over the seating positions are rotated (Exception: If the player sitting East wins that hand, then the seat positions do not change and there is a bonus hand played in that round. This can happen up to 8 times... A bonus hand is also played in the case of a draw when only East has a waiting hand(see below) ). When the player that was east for the first hand in a round becomes east a second time, you enter the next round and the prevailing wind changes. Originally the game was played over 4 rounds, one for each compass direction, however since that takes a very long time only 2 rounds are played in modern games. Games with only one single east wind round may also be played to speed things up. At the end of the game, the player with the most points wins, and is awarded the bonus points set aside at the beginning of the match.
The start of a hand:
To begin, a 17x17 square wall of tiles, face down, two deep, is made in front of the players. A pair of dice is rolled to determine where to begin taking tiles, and the players each form their hands by taking tiles from the wall until everyone has 13 tiles. 14 tiles are separated from the back-end of the wall, called the "dead wall", and the top tile from the third stack from the end is turned over, called the "dora indicator." For an explanation of this, see the section on "dora" later.
The player seated East begins by taking a 14th tile from the (living) wall, and then chooses a tile from their hand to discard. The player counterclockwise then does the same thing, and the hand proceeds in this order unless a player declares a pung or kong (see below). If all the tiles from the wall are used up (except the dead wall), or if 4 kongs have been declared, the hand ends in a draw. Otherwise the hand ends when a player declares a mahjong.
The object of the game:
The object is to make mahjong, which means 4 sets and 1 pair.
The sets can be of 3 types:
Chow: 3 tiles in the same suit in numerical order. (e.g. 2 bamboo, 3 bamboo, 4 bamboo)
Pung: 3 identical tiles
Kong: 4 identical tiles
You can claim the discards of your opponents if they will let you make a chow, pung, or kong. (exception: if you are making a chow, the discard has to be from the player immediately proceeding you, i.e. to your left). If you do that, you must declare "chow", "pung" or "kong", and place the tiles face up in front of you on the table. The set is now "declared" and that factors into the scoring later. (It's always better to have sets that are concealed.)
If you declare a kong, because that set has 4 tiles, you need an extra tile, so after declaring a kong you draw a replacement tile from the back end of the dead wall before you make your discard. (Optional: At the same time, the tile next to the dora indicator is turned over as a second dora indicator.)
When a player has a kong in their hand completely hidden, they can do a "concealed kong" whenever it's their turn, and draw the extra tile from the dead wall. This does not count as revealing the kong and it can be strategic to wait to do this until later in the hand (because the extra dora indicator might give another player extra points if they declare mahjong first.)
Riichi: If you have a completely concealed hand (i.e. you have not declared a chow, pung or kong), and need only a single tile to make a mahjong, you can decalare "riichi". When you do this, you put a 1,000 point stick on the table as an extra bet, and from then on any tile you draw from the wall must be discarded until you make mahjong or someone else wins, or in other words, you are not allowed to change anything in your hand except for wait for someone to discard the winning tile or for you to draw the winning tile.
Winning: There are two ways to declare mahjong. One is when drawing a tile yourself from the wall. This is called "tsumo". The second way is by claiming another player's discard. This is called "ron". This effects the way the points are distributed. In riichi mahjong, it is also a requirement that your hand have at least one "yaku". See below for a list of yaku. If you don't have a yaku, you cannot declare mahjong.
After someone declares mahjong, they count the point value of their mahjong, and the other 3 players (in the case of tsumo) or 1 player (in the case of ron) pay the winner the appropriate amount. See the section below for scoring. Also, riichi bets and bonus round counters are distributed to the winner.
Scoring:
Scoring is complicated. This is especially important in Saki. It's so complicated, in fact, that most Japanese players use large charts to help them figure out the proper scores.
Outline of how to score a hand:
1. Count the number of minipoints in your hand.
2. Count the number of fan in your hand.
3. Round minipoints up to nearest 10, then multiply by 2^(number of fan+2). This is your hand's base value. Or, if you have a table, look up the value in the appropriate table depending on whether you are sitting East and whether you won with a tsumo or ron.
Some terminology: 1's and 9's are called "terminals". Dragons and winds are called "honors". Anything that isn't a terminal or an honor is called a "simple". A hand that is not concealed is called "open".
Counting Minipoints:
0 points for a chow.
2 points for a pung of simples.
4 points for a pung of honors.
8 points for a kong of simples.
16 points for a kong of honors.
These points are all 2x if the sets are concealed.
2 extra points for:
Pair of dragons
Pair of seat/prevalent wind
Edge wait, closed wait, or pair wait. (I.e. the final tile in the mahjong was the "only" tile that would make a mahjong)
Tsumo (except in case of pinfu, see below)
Open pinfu
You also always get one of these below
30 points for winning with a concealed hand
25 points for having 7 pairs (this is a special hand, see below)
20 points otherwise.
Total the number of minipoints you have and round up to the nearest 10 (exception for the unique 25 minipoint hand).
If you have more than 4 fan (see below), counting minipoints is irrelevant because you will always be in a limit score situation (see below)
Counting Dora:
The tile 1 after in numerical order (or east-south-west-north, red-green-white) of the "dora indicator" is the dora, and for each copy of that tile in your hand you get 1 fan. (Optional: If there are more than 1 dora indicator revealed because people have declared kongs and revealed extra ones, those are also dora. Also Optional: If the player who declared mahjong declared riichi, then the tiles underneath any dora indicators are revealed and ALSO become dora indicators. This leads to a theoretical total number of dora of 24 dora!)
(Optional: Red Fives: One each of the 5 bamboo, 5 circle, and 5 character are colored red. These also count as dora.)
Counting Yaku:
Yaku are bonuses you get for having special hands. The more rare the hand more yaku you get.
There are a total of 25 different types of hands that give different numbers of yaku, and you can stack them in which case the total number of yaku add.
For a complete listing of yaku, see the appendix chart here in the link above. Some examples:
Half Flush: A mahjong consisting of only one suit plus winds/dragons. Counts as 2 yaku.
Riichi: declaring riichi counts as 1 yaku
Fully concealed hand: Declaring tsumo with a fully concealed hand 1 yaku
Twice Pure Double Chow: Two different pairs of identical chows plus a pair, 3 yaku
Yakuman:
A few hands are SO special they get a special type of yaku called "yakuman". These have their own special point chart. There is even a hand called the Four Big Winds (four pungs/kongs of winds) that gives 2 yakuman, which can result in a 96,000 point win). For a listing of all 13 yakuman hands see the rules sheet linked to above.
Counting Fan:
You get a fan for each yaku and each dora in your hand.
Final base point tally and point distribution:
Take the number of minipoints, multiply by 2^(2+number of fan). This is your base score.
Now, the way you get paid depends on 2 things: Are you currently sitting east? and Did you go out tsumo, or ron?
Put simply, the player who sits east gets double points from people, but also pays double points. If you go out with a tsumo, all three players pay you the base score. If you go out ron, the player who discarded the winning tile pays on behalf of all three losing players.
All payments are rounded up to the nearest 100.
E.g. The winner is sitting north, and has a 40 minipoint, 2 yaku hand. This gives them a base score of 640. If the player went out with a ron from west, then west has to pay north 640*4 (1 for west, 2 for east, and 1 for south) = 2560->2600 points.
If north went out on a tsumo instead, then west and south pays him 700 points, while east pays him 1300.
If you are using the handy charts, just look things up in the correct chart.
Extra points:
Whoever wins takes any 1,000 point riichi sticks that are on the table.
If this is a bonus round, an additional 300*(number of consecutive bonus rounds) points is added to the base score.
Tenpei: If the hand is a draw, any player that is "waiting" for one last tile to make a mahjong is paid by the non-waiting players a total of 3,000 points.
Limit scores:
If you have more than 4 fan, then there is a special set of scores tables called limit tables. The actual calculations are somewhat tricky, but all that matters is to look up the value on the limit score table in the rules sheet above.
5 fan is called "mangan", 6-7 fan is "haneman", 8-10 is "baiman", 11-12 is "sanbaiman", and 13 or more is a yakuman.
E.g. for a baiman, you get a base score of 4,000. For yakuman it's 8,000. This means that if east goes tsumo with a double yakuman, they'd receive 32,000 points from each player... for a total of 96,000 points.
Plus-Minus scoring:
At the end of the game, the final points are rounded to the nearest 1000 (500 rounds down), and for each ,1000 points above or below 30,000, you get + or - 1. The person with the most points gets a bonus of +20 (the 20,000 points set aside in the beginning). To get plus-minus zero like Saki always does requires you score between 29,600 and 30,500 points and NOT be in first place.
And that's it! There are a few other rules, like furiten or chombo, but you can read about them in the rules sheet I linked to above.
Hopefully this can help you understand a bit better what's going on in Saki, and where all those random numbers come from.
BrokenWingz
2009-04-05, 13:16
Thanks Quarkboy, For a beginner in mahjong well a scrub everything just went in one ear and flew out the other. hahhaa, well going to learn mahjong now ^^,
I enjoy the subtle usage of music in Saki quite tranquil and fitting. As for Nodoka and Saki interaction, well I'm expecting more than just rivalry having my fingers cross.
loved the first ep, adapted the manga great with high production.
hopefully they'll keep this up
@ Quarkboy
Wow, that's a very good guide for learning the basics of Mahjong, thanks!!
Once you can play Mahjong you can not stop with playing, since it is quite addictive; no gambling involved of course, just for fun.
It's kind of funny that Saki does not like playing Mahjong at the very beginning (allthough that will change very soon). By the way, the lightning/thunder effect with Saki's eye when she wins the match is kind of cool.
Gonzo will probably stay faithful to the story here at least.
The animation is definitely something I'm worried about. Normally ep1s are supposed to have awesome animation but this one definitely wasn't awesome. The early scene animation especially looked very odd. Maybe it was just the horrible TV Tokyo encode. (What the hell TV Tokyo? Learn to encode damn it.)
the CR encode looked really bad, its sad, really.
once they actually move everythings goes to hell
Quarkboy
2009-04-05, 14:05
the CR encode looked really bad, its sad, really.
once they actually move everythings goes to hell
Yeah, someone needs to teach CR and/or Gonzo a little thing called IVTC.
the CR encode looked really bad, its sad, really.
once they actually move everythings goes to hell
The IVTC issues and ghosting are the standard problem when TV Tokyo provides the materials. For some reason, this encode looks blurry and bit starved on top of that. Unfortunately Gonzo is only handling Shangri-la this time since Gonzo is actually competent with their handling of the streaming encoding. (Their DTO encoding leaves something to be desired though it's partially licensing issues.)
Kaoru Chujo
2009-04-05, 14:13
Personally, I loved ep1. I thought the drawing was good and the animation worked for me. But I'm not very demanding of animation, I admit.
The anime seemed to me to preserve and even enhance the spirit of the manga. It flowed very well, with just the right amount of time spent on the hands, so that you could grasp them if you knew the game, or ignore the details if you didn't. As in the manga.
I thought Ueda Kana was excellent as Saki. Koshimizu Ami, whom I love, was a little too much for me here as Nodoka, but certainly so skilled. And Kugimiya Rie gets to do a totally kawaii/genki girl, without any tsuntsun at all. That goes with FMA to give her two non-tsundere roles this season.
The fanservice -- pantsu, wet shirt, cleavage, etc. -- was a surprise, but not an unwelcome one. Gives the show another bit of electricity. As does the music, which seemed very fitting to me, adding drama without going over the top.
@Quarkboy
Thanks for the guide... I might be stealing parts of it :heh:
As for the first episode, I think they adapted the first two or three chapters of the manga in a very short period of time, which somehow explains why I felt it was a bit too compressed. But overall, it was still enjoyable, mostly because of the characters (Kaichou continues to be my favorite, though).
I can't say that I really liked the music, but it felt a bit odd. I still prefer the music on the Drama CD, especially the one that was played for the second mahjong game. Oh yes, somebody posted (http://www.osamuko.com/index.php/2008/12/06/saki-anime/) this youtube video with parts of the Drama CD/manga, which corresponds to the mahjong game I'm talking about.
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The scene from the Drama CD was better paced, while the music carried more momentum, in my opinion. But I guess it's something that couldn't be helped in order to include the second game (the more interesting one) within the limits of the first episode.
No ED this week, but definitely next. I was looking forward to hearing it.
That said, looks like it'll be fun; always nice to have a sports/game show or two in the mix.
Yeah, someone needs to teach CR and/or Gonzo a little thing called IVTC.
I'm fairly sure its CR that just doesn't know how to handle that..
einhorn303
2009-04-05, 14:57
Man, and I thought Battletech (Classic, not the clix game) had excessively complicated rules.
That umbrella scene was so incredibly subtextual. I was like, "They're not just talking about mahjong, are they?" My favorite part, though, was the scene where Saki first played. Something about the music and the four people coming together to play a game not played in a long time, it felt really nostalgic and nice.
I can't wait to see the other characters, like the long-haired blond cosplaying loli and all.
Quarkboy
2009-04-05, 15:03
Walls of text and lots of it is WRONG. -_-
Did you post this in the wrong topic? What are you talking about... Saki doesn't have walls of text except for that one scene explaining the different rounds, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Malintex_Terek
2009-04-05, 15:30
sorry xris, I had this bookmarked and didn't notice where it was.
Did you post this in the wrong topic? What are you talking about... Saki doesn't have walls of text except for that one scene explaining the different rounds, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Well, let me talk about the wrong bit, at least.
There is no official English terminology for a lot of Japanese mahjong terms, so by convention the online communities just use the Japanese/Chinese terms rather than the much eschewed English terminology for American "mahjongg" like pung/kung/chow. I mean these aren't even the Chinese terms...I know for a fact Chi is called "Sic".
On top of these weird, confusing and often inter-mixed terms, which frankly would have simplified the subs tremendously and shortened the number of lines, they also got a few aspects of game mechanics wrong.
"Dealer gets double, pays double?"
That's rather misleading. Dealers get 1.5x points on both Rons and Tsumos, but pay 1.5x the hand value (minipoints - lol) when hit by Tsumos. So for a non-dealer Haneman, 12K, the dealer pays 4K while the non-dealers pay 2K. In this case the dealer pays double but only because it's a limit. This is never the case for Rons.
So dealers get 1.5x the payoff when they win, but lose double the hand value when hit by an enemy Tsumo for limit hands.
There's other nitpick stuff but I have to watch again to be sure.
qmeister
2009-04-05, 15:40
That was a very good introductory episode, I found the characters instantly likeable and the way things were directed was quite well done.
I must thank Quarkboy for the primer to the game. I have no idea of the actual mechanics involved, but at least the terminology doesn't sound too much like gibberish to me.
However, the character design for some of the girls seems directly taken from Strike Witches...
Saki -> Yoshika
Hisa -> Minna
Yuuki -> Francesca
Quarkboy
2009-04-05, 15:50
Well, let me talk about the wrong bit, at least.
There is no official English terminology for a lot of Japanese mahjong terms, so by convention the online communities just use the Japanese/Chinese terms rather than the much eschewed English terminology for American "mahjongg" like pung/kung/chow. I mean these aren't even the Chinese terms...I know for a fact Chi is called "Sic".
By your own admission there's no "accepted" english terminology for Japanese mahjong terms, but there is the document I linked above that is a complete, consistent set of rules with a consistent set of terminology. Leaving everything in abbreviated Japanese just makes things even more opaque to someone who has no idea how to play. Which is more intuitive for an English speaker, a "Menhon tsumo" or a "Concealed half flush tsumo"? Sure, a translation note is probably needed for both, but in one case the person might actually remember what it means the next time.
On top of these weird, confusing and often inter-mixed terms, which frankly would have simplified the subs tremendously and shortened the number of lines, they also got a few aspects of game mechanics wrong.
"Dealer gets double, pays double?"
That's rather misleading. Dealers get 1.5x points on both Rons and Tsumos, but pay 1.5x the hand value (minipoints - lol) when hit by Tsumos. So for a non-dealer Haneman, 12K, the dealer pays 4K while the non-dealers pay 2K. In this case the dealer pays double but only because it's a limit. This is never the case for Rons.
So dealers get 1.5x the payoff when they win, but lose double the hand value when hit by an enemy Tsumo for limit hands.
There's other nitpick stuff but I have to watch again to be sure.
By gets double, pays double, that's referring to the payment per player, not the overall point total. So it's pretty much correct. A non-dealer tsumo gets 4 times the base score because two players pay once and east pays double, and an east tsumo gets 6, because each player pays double.
It's perfectly correct and the simplest way to sum up the rule.
First episode was pleasant and close to the manga. I should learn a little Mahjong to enjoy better the show.
Healthy Nodoka is love :p
serenade_beta
2009-04-05, 16:03
Well, most of the episode was mahjong...
And I know nothing about it, so while everyone was getting so excited over something, I was left ?????????...
But even then, this episode proved to be the most interesting of the animes today. Which, by the way, isn't as great of an achievement as it sounds considering what else is today.
The ED which seems to be the OP is pretty decent.
The pink hair's breasts are so big, it is just not fitting. I hate big breasts in general, but when they don't fit the character at all, what to say...
That Yuki girl looks 100% like Tsuyokiss's Kani... ....Mysterious...
Overall, I understood nothing, but I'll see the next episode or so and see if it remains interesting, despite being incomprehensible.
Besides, didn't Gonzo split up or something? This might be their dying anime... *laughs*
There was also some random fanservice shots where the girls don't seem to be wearing anything.
It's Gonzo, yep. Can't sell a thing without going to appeal there.
Malintex_Terek
2009-04-05, 16:32
By your own admission there's no "accepted" english terminology for Japanese mahjong terms, but there is the document I linked above that is a complete, consistent set of rules with a consistent set of terminology. Leaving everything in abbreviated Japanese just makes things even more opaque to someone who has no idea how to play. Which is more intuitive for an English speaker, a "Menhon tsumo" or a "Concealed half flush tsumo"? Sure, a translation note is probably needed for both, but in one case the person might actually remember what it means the next time.
#mahjong has been working to get an official English document for non-Japanese speaking players. Our work at http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ is pretty much second to none.
I don't really trust using an European rule site as a proxy for Japanese style, though they are very similar. At that, iirc EMA's official cooperative is with MahjongTime, who used the wrong terminology and game mechanics for YEARS. I know, I used to write in to them about Toudai-Shiki corrections on almost a daily basis. xd
On the jargon, I disagree. It is far easier to introduce jargon than to spell out everything each and every time. Especially when you have very long hands like
Riichi, Iipatsu, Menzen Tsumo, Tan Yao, Sanshoku, Pinfu, Dora 6.
Riichi, first round win, all concealed, no terminals, three colour chow, pinfu, six dora? Saying it out-loud is perhaps not that bad, but putting it on a screen is too much. It is especially good to use jargon when Saki's signature move is the Rinjan ('winning off of a draw from the dead wall during a kan?'), and other terms are still kept in like Dora and Riichi as well.
By gets double, pays double, that's referring to the payment per player, not the overall point total. So it's pretty much correct. A non-dealer tsumo gets 4 times the base score because two players pay once and east pays double, and an east tsumo gets 6, because each player pays double.
It's perfectly correct and the simplest way to sum up the rule
Oh, I see.
But only because you pointed that out.
If even an advanced player can get confused at how they're trying to summarize the game mechanics, I can only imagine someone with no familiarity getting even more confused since the requirement for that "simple" generalization was for hand values and Tsumos, which wasn't clear in the actual show.
...
Also, I've got to ask Quarkboy...just out of curiosity, and by popular demand.
Have you read Tom Sloper? :D
Bonta Kun
2009-04-05, 16:36
NODOKA-CHAN!!! I want to be embraced too!!!:D
well I decided to try to relearn the game but when your at my age one doesn't soak up info like before:)
I only slightly understood like 1% lol
but then even if I don't get whats going on, I'm still gonna watch and enjoy this series, me loves Nodoka-chwwan!!!:love:
qmeister
2009-04-05, 16:40
I just know the Student Congress President is going to be awesome, and Saki herself will probably have greater and greater Crowning Moments of Awesome.
Tofusensei
2009-04-05, 16:40
I think it'll be like Hikaru no Go and Shion no Ou where 99% of viewers will have nary an idea of how the actual game is played, even after watching the final episode. And that is not important to enjoy the show because you can get a feel for the gameplay without it, though I can appreciate you guys debating this in a public forum so us Mahjongg virgins can have some understanding of the gameplay.
Quarkboy
2009-04-05, 16:41
Have you read Tom Sloper? :D
Only after he somewhat angrily posted a link to his own blog (I suspect) on the CR forums.
Only after he somewhat angrily posted a link to his own blog (I suspect) on the CR forums.
I'm pretty sure they were trolling you and the only reason you didn't know was because you think those terms are acceptable.
Quarkboy
2009-04-05, 17:02
I'm pretty sure they were trolling you and the only reason you didn't know was because you think those terms are acceptable.
Feel free to do better, I don't really care.
Malintex_Terek
2009-04-05, 17:05
I think Tom Sloper on CR was a troll, simply because I don't think he has a blog...but suffice to say, it's a funny matter either way.
I think it'll be like Hikaru no Go and Shion no Ou where 99% of viewers will have nary an idea of how the actual game is played, even after watching the final episode. And that is not important to enjoy the show because you can get a feel for the gameplay without it, though I can appreciate you guys debating this in a public forum so us Mahjongg virgins can have some understanding of the gameplay.
I agree for HnG and maybe SnO, but shows like Akagi and Saki are very mechanics based. Rather than the game being an accessory to the plot, the plot revolves around them.
Nodoka = :hyper-^v^:
This one's a keeper.
My sudden liking to pink-haired girls. :love:
Haha, that running scene in the rain was such a ripoff from Hikaru no Go when Akira started chasing after Hikaru.
Kaoru Chujo
2009-04-05, 18:16
I think it'll be like Hikaru no Go and Shion no Ou where 99% of viewers will have nary an idea of how the actual game is played, even after watching the final episode. And that is not important to enjoy the show because you can get a feel for the gameplay without it....As someone who has read a couple of volumes of the manga, I agree with this. I have played majiang a couple of times (with my brother-in-law looking over my shoulder and ordering me what to do), but I really don't remember much -- and I still have enjoyed the manga and ep1.
Great episode ! Sometimes Gonzo can produce rather good anime. Now waiting for the next episode.
Ash Falls Town
2009-04-05, 23:07
Saki is a show with too much fanservice which I can't understand at all...
All in all it looks like we have a winner here.
I love all the supporting cast and I assume I'll feel the same about Saki soon enough.
Characters being anal about their titles are one of my favorite jokes and the taco girl reminds me of Yaya.
Also in spite of the fanservice being very unsubtle it didn't cause me to flinch in embarrassment. Not even the wet shirt scene.
whitepearl
2009-04-05, 23:42
Am I the only one slightly disturbed that they don't play with the rule of furiten?
It seemed implied that President thought Saki could've won more points if she passed up a regular 5 Pin in favor of a red dora 5 pin....the rule of furiten prevents players from choosing who they can declare "ron" against--once you pass, you forfeit the right to win unless you get a tsumo, where you draw the tile yourself.
I thought the first episode was okay...definitely a fanservicey show. Those looking for more pure mahjong should watch Akagi instead.
Duo Maxwell
2009-04-06, 01:19
I just know the Student Congress President is going to be awesome, and Saki herself will probably have greater and greater Crowning Moments of Awesome.
Bingo.
Actually, every girl has their own awesome moment when they join National Tournament, but the Student Congress President (sorry, still can't remember her name :p) is the most badass.
I feel myself is being unfaithful when watching this show. I want to hug everyone :3.
stewie0814
2009-04-06, 01:25
Hmm, this show surprised me, i wasn't expecting the art and animation to be at that level, also, like people have mentioned, some characters reminded me of people from strike witches, i'll definitely keep watching this, entertained me enough :D
qmeister
2009-04-06, 01:31
Bingo.
Actually, every girl has their own awesome moment when they join National Tournament, but the Student Congress President (sorry, still can't remember her name :p) is the most badass.That sounds great! I like my women a little more grown up.
I feel myself is being unfaithful when watching this show. I want to hug everyone :3.
I know what you mean, Saki seems to be competing directly with K-ON! for most moetastic title of this season. I'm convinced someone from either of these two shows will win the Saimoe this year.
Most likely K-On will be winning because it is kyoani and kicks out most of Saki.
Then in the Finals, the K-On will get hate voted out and someone else who was almost winning last year will win.
qmeister
2009-04-06, 01:58
From the ED it seems Saki and Nodoka become good friends.
Duo Maxwell
2009-04-06, 02:16
From the ED it seems Saki and Nodoka become good friends.
God bless our first and main yuri couple.
Yuuki is much more adorable than I thought. Maybe because of Rie :p
Here hoping to see a great subbing group will take this show.
Used Can
2009-04-06, 02:46
I'm all in for an overt lesbian relationship, rather than just subtle messages.
Anyway, this anime looks fun. I'm still a bit lost on Mahjong, but I can always read about how it works. I guess I'll like this anime better if I do so.
I'll be looking forward for the next episodes.
Quarkboy
2009-04-06, 03:10
Am I the only one slightly disturbed that they don't play with the rule of furiten?
It seemed implied that President thought Saki could've won more points if she passed up a regular 5 Pin in favor of a red dora 5 pin....the rule of furiten prevents players from choosing who they can declare "ron" against--once you pass, you forfeit the right to win unless you get a tsumo, where you draw the tile yourself.
I thought the first episode was okay...definitely a fanservicey show. Those looking for more pure mahjong should watch Akagi instead.
I think they do play with furiten, just not "temporary furiten". So, if Saki had discarded a 5 circles before she wouldn't be able to draw either tile.
OR, it's possible that after Yuuki discarded her 5, that there was an entire go around before Nodoka discarded her red 5 which would clear the temporary furiten that wasn't shown in the anime.
Frankly they didn't make it clear.
One odd change Gonzo made from the manga, they changed the reason that she plays +/-0.
In the manga she says memorized how to not win because her parents would get angry and how to not lose so that her New Years gift didn't get taken.
Quarkboy
2009-04-06, 03:43
One odd change Gonzo made from the manga, they changed the reason that she plays +/-0.
In the manga she says memorized how to not win because her parents would get angry and how to not lose so that her New Years gift didn't get taken.
Yeah, there were a couple of smallish subtle changes. Like for example in the manga they call Hisa the mahjong club "captain" or "buchou" at different times, but in the anime they call her "buchou" exclusively.
They cut a lot of the extra commentary on the hands as well from the "pres", probably for time, but it would have helped explain things a tad better, perhaps.
They obviously desperately wanted to reach the rin-shan tsumo at the end of chapter two for the finale of the episode, so I think they rushed things a tad.
It s better than I expected and I like the music that they inserted too. ''Plus minus zero is destiny'', wahahaha.
I like sports anime, I like anime with competitions but does the cast really have to be loli's, and one with an oversized breast?
I really want to understand mahjong though but the amount of information (and some of the terms) you receive is just overwhelming.
Duo Maxwell
2009-04-06, 08:32
I like sports anime, I like anime with competitions but does the cast really have to be loli's, and one with an oversized breast?
Yes, it does.
I like sports anime, I like anime with competitions but does the cast really have to be loli's, and one with an oversized breast?
I really want to understand mahjong though but the amount of information (and some of the terms) you receive is just overwhelming.
''Bamboo Blade'' has characters like this.Why has no one complained?:p
That sounds great! I like my women a little more grown up.
I know what you mean, Saki seems to be competing directly with K-ON! for most moetastic title of this season. I'm convinced someone from either of these two shows will win the Saimoe this year.
I know what you mean, Saki seems to be competing directly with K-ON! for most moetastic title of this season. I'm convinced someone from either of these two shows will win the Saimoe this year.
neither of them will win.
the winner is gonna be Strike Witches
dont delude yourself :P
whitepearl
2009-04-06, 10:42
I think they do play with furiten, just not "temporary furiten". So, if Saki had discarded a 5 circles before she wouldn't be able to draw either tile.
OR, it's possible that after Yuuki discarded her 5, that there was an entire go around before Nodoka discarded her red 5 which would clear the temporary furiten that wasn't shown in the anime.
Frankly they didn't make it clear.
Yeah, it was very ambiguous. The anime made it seem like she passed two consecutive 5 Pins in a row and made it look like Saki could've won off of the red 5 Pin after passing on a standard 5 Pin.
The first episode of Saki seems to be quite promising. The characters are a bit of a standard set, but we'll see what the show decides to do with them. Hopefully, it'll explore some more interesting territory in later episodes, but it's been decent so far. On top of that, I like the extra emphasis placed on the oh-so-dramatic playing and so forth. Having never played Japanese mahjonng before, I find the scoring systems and the dialogue around them to be a bit bewildering, but that should lessen a bit further into the series. So far this is the most solid anime for me in this new season.
I think it'll be like Hikaru no Go and Shion no Ou where 99% of viewers will have nary an idea of how the actual game is played, even after watching the final episode. And that is not important to enjoy the show because you can get a feel for the gameplay without it, though I can appreciate you guys debating this in a public forum so us Mahjongg virgins can have some understanding of the gameplay.
This is probably going to be a bit more like Hikaru no Go than Shion no Ou. Mahjongg is similar to go in that the basics of the game are fairly easy to grasp, and it's very visual, so it shouldn't be too hard for even non-players to figure out intuitively. The higher levels of strategy and scoring are going to be a lot more opaque of course, but that would probably be true of most players as well. About the only thing that's unfortunate is that Riichi mahjongg has extremely complex scoring rules, and that this anime seems to be all about those very rules.
It's still better than Shion no Ou though, because I can't see how anyone could grasp more than the merest basics of shougi after watching that show. It'd be especially bad for the people who aren't versed in kanji because all the pieces look fairly similar to one another.
Haha, that running scene in the rain was such a ripoff from Hikaru no Go when Akira started chasing after Hikaru.
This is a bit of a standard trope when it comes to sports anime. The champion will go out of her way to make sure that her fated rival will show up to put up a challenge.
Saki is quite good . My only problem with it is i read quite a lots of Saki manga and knows how everything (or most things) gonna play out. Will still following this anime of course =]
um excuse me but to any one her who can read raw manga scans and well above volume 3 um can you give me some spoilers pls?
As per usual, this is the anime thread, so there shouldn't be any spoilers from the manga at all. If you want to discuss things like how the anime portrayed a scene differently from the manga, that's all right, but it's quite different from dropping "hints" as to what will happen. Many anime-only viewers aren't interested in such hints, so they don't belong here.
I've moved those posts to the Saki manga (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=80184) thread, so please take any such discussion there.
gundam rider
2009-04-06, 11:48
never read the manga or anything related before.....super mahjong with the likes of Hikaru No Go?.....,
errrr....mmm.....well, the 1st ep uhhh, to me, looks like a cross between a typical Harem & a Yuri genre.....ummm...whatever......:heh:
uhhh.....Gonzo-brand pantsu......whut?......duuhh.....:heh:
qmeister
2009-04-06, 11:51
neither of them will win.
the winner is gonna be Strike Witches
dont delude yourself :P
Bah, all the Saki girls are exports of the Strike Witches anyway. (Or should that be the other way round?)
Saki -> Yoshika
Student Congress President -> Minna
Nodoka -> (Lynette+Sanya)/2
Yuuki -> Francesca
Mako -> Eila in meganekko cosplay
einhorn303
2009-04-06, 12:50
That seems rather unlikely, since the Saki comic and Strike Witches OVA both came out in 2006. Not sure about the exact dates, but I believe Saki came out first. And the actual character personalities and final designs of the SW characters weren't finalized until the TV anime in 2008.
Also, I think you're quite exaggerating the similarities. They're just common anime tropes (normal girl, hyper loli, quiet girl, etc)
Bah, all the Saki girls are exports of the Strike Witches anyway. (Or should that be the other way round?)
Saki -> Yoshika
Student Congress President -> Minna
Nodoka -> (Lynette+Sanya)/2
Yuuki -> Francesca
Mako -> Eila in meganekko cosplay
qmeister
2009-04-06, 13:35
^ Just making fun of the Saimoe in general, hope you didn't take me too seriouosly. Any five characters in the running are exports of each other, really. :]
Anyone made any Nodoka avys? :upset:
I think they do play with furiten, just not "temporary furiten". So, if Saki had discarded a 5 circles before she wouldn't be able to draw either tile.
OR, it's possible that after Yuuki discarded her 5, that there was an entire go around before Nodoka discarded her red 5 which would clear the temporary furiten that wasn't shown in the anime.
Frankly they didn't make it clear.
It's probably the second one. If you look at the table, the order is Yuuki, Mako, Saki, then Nodoka. An entire cycle was played before Nodoka discarded the red 5.
Quarkboy
2009-04-06, 19:54
It's probably the second one. If you look at the table, the order is Yuuki, Mako, Saki, then Nodoka. An entire cycle was played before Nodoka discarded the red 5.
Ah! Okay... Then that's what they meant by the "yamagoshi" red five (which was translated as "passed over red five" which I think is still close enough)... I guess a better phrase would have been "around the bend" or something.
@the subites:
I found it annoying that whoever subbed Crunchyroll's version decided to mix English terms with Japanese (using "All simples Mixed Triple Chow pinfu")
At around 6 minutes there also seems to be either
A: A translation error
B: A place that needs a note if they're aiming at people who have never played before
Saki's hand was NOT "mixed triple chow".
CybEssen
2009-04-06, 20:52
This kind of reminded me of yu-gi-oh. For instance, that mahjong slow motion lightning descent could be compared to slamming a card down (Which apparently takes 10 seconds for maximum holy crap effect.) and snickering afterwards. Both series take some kind of game and make it into some epic battle srzbzn with over the top visuals, sound and WHAT?!?!?! scenes. They even explain afterwards (or in this case before) what said main character did in strategy/tactics and how much in the realm of impossibility it is to pull something like that off. (Drawing the perfect card or in this case the right tile.) Saw some mahjong summoning creatures in the ED, too. :heh:
By the way, they're white. :uhoh:
Quarkboy
2009-04-06, 21:28
@the subites:
I found it annoying that whoever subbed Crunchyroll's version decided to mix English terms with Japanese (using "All simples Mixed Triple Chow pinfu")
At around 6 minutes there also seems to be either
A: A translation error
B: A place that needs a note if they're aiming at people who have never played before
Saki's hand was NOT "mixed triple chow".
There was a translation note defining "mixed triple chow" at 6:15
that says "3 identical chows in 3 different suit.
Saki has the 2,3,4 of each suit.
Then again at 7:42 when the president says "All simples Mixed Triple Chow pinfu"
saki has the 6,7,8 of each suit. And there's no note for mixed triple chow because it was already defined.
I don't see any error in the subs.
There was a translation note defining "mixed triple chow" at 6:15
that says "3 identical chows in 3 different suit.
Saki has the 2,3,4 of each suit.
Then again at 7:42 when the president says "All simples Mixed Triple Chow pinfu"
saki has the 6,7,8 of each suit. And there's no note for mixed triple chow because it was already defined.
I don't see any error in the subs.
Saki's hand was 22234s234m23456p ron 1p. This is not sanshoku/Mixed Triple Chow.
Saki's hand was 22234s234m23456p ron 1p. This is not sanshoku/Mixed Triple Chow.
The line actually seems to have gotten goofed. He says "What are you doing throwing away your Mixed Triple Chow" (since she didn't Ron on the 7-dots/7-pin) (三色捨ててそれってどうなん!!)
I really need to learn how to play Mahjong.
Nevertheless, although I don't really get the mechanics of what was happening in the games, quite a fun first episode!
whitepearl
2009-04-06, 22:12
I really need to learn how to play Mahjong.
Nevertheless, although I don't really get the mechanics of what was happening in the games, quite a fun first episode!
Mahjong's pretty fun to play, imo. Then again, I was exposed to it (albeit Hong Kong Mahjong) at a young age.
If anyone is itching to play Japanese Mahjong online, and knows a bit of Japanese, I highly recommend Tenhou (http://tenhou.net/0/?0000). You can play against three other people (or two, if you play the three-player game) or you can spectate other matches. There is no chombo and likewise there is no open riichi (it's like a riichi except you deliberately show your hand to everyone...iinm it is worth an additional han). But it is pretty fun (when you are winning of course).
This link (http://doujinsign.gensokyo.org/2008/02/29/ad-3-and-how-to-use-tenhou/) explains in good detail how to sign up for a Tenhou account and how to navigate the website.
Duo Maxwell
2009-04-06, 22:12
Actually, I find it will be easier for me if the sub keeps the Japanese term, thus I have been playing Japanese Mahjong up until now.
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