To Aru Majutsu no Index - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

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[MrTerrorist]

I'm Currently watching the raws and i'll come back later with my review.

EDIT: I'm back here's my review:

Oh my god. No, I mean... OH MY GOD!!! That episode was amazing!!! I love it especially the fight!

So here how the episode goes, the Intro muisc before the OP has change with a twisted solo guitar music which I like for a change.

The episode begins with Misaka Imoto going to the next designated battlefield at a shipping container dock where she reminiscent her time with Touma and wonders why she's thinking about him. Meanwhile the three ladies (Komoe, Index Aisa) are taking a bath at a Bathhouse where they talk about a lot of things including Touma.

Touma finally wakes and thinks that Mikoto gone, only to realize that he lying on her lap, crying. (Her looking like that was so Moe and the Black kitty was there too.) They talk about the experiment and and Mikoto warns him about Accelerator powers and how can he beat him since Touma almost got killed. Then he leaves after saying something(Sorry i don't know Japanese that much).

Back at the Battlefield, Imouto arrives and meets Accelerator who was waiting for her. Also remember the last episode of how some people complain that there was just too much talk between Touma and Mikoto? Now its Accelerator and Misaka imouto turn to talk too much. They talk about why he's doing it and some other stuff since i don't know Japanese that much. but one thing for sure, i like Accelerator voice when he goes sadistic happy.
After she starts the countdown for the match, the next scene was surprising. Remember how every episode before the break ends with the shows title appearing and coming back with the black screen breaking and revealing the title? Now it's in reverse as Accelerator suddenly Speed dashes and BREAKS THE screen, showing the title!!! That was very surprising to watch.

Touma runs over to the fight while Mikoto changes her mind staying with the cat and decides to go there too (with the cat of course.)

When Touma finally arrives, what i saw was one of the best fight between a Sister and Accelerator, infact it was more better than the one they shown in the manga! Imouto jumps and shoots lighting at him but he doges it like running around like a ninja or redirects it around him. But Imouto has the advantage as she was actually getting rid of the oxygen around him using her powers, making him weak. Accelerator is impress of her plan but it's useless as he just jumps outta there and chase after her by... get ready for this... flying like Superman!
Actually, he follow her on the rail tracks and decides to a dash that makes it look like he's flying like Superman and punches her!
(DAMM YOU Accelerator!:frustrated:)

Imouto tries to get up but Accelerator just smiles and KICKS HER IN THE STOMACH REPEATEDLY!!!
(YOU BASTARD!!!:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!):frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:
Thankfully he stops when he realize some one is behind him and its not other than our hero himself!!! YEAH Imouto is saved! :)
Imouto is confused why did he want to save her since she's just a clone but he tells her she still a living person.

Now the fight between Touma and Accelerator begins and it was a great fight! Accelerator is not impress of his Hero speech and what he's doing so Touma tries to punch with his right hand but he's does a powerful foot slam on the ground, exploding it and sending Touma away. What he does next was amazing! He 'summons' the rail tracks, twisting it and shoots a barrage of rails with a evil twisted laugh!!! Touma avoids it but he keeps summoning and shooting more rails at him and somehow Touma manages to avoid them and survive. Accelerator does another foot slam explosion, knocking Touma to a standing rail and is about to grab him when Touma quickly slaps his hand away using his right hand.

Accelerator is shocked and goes psycho and does a bigger foot slam explosion, slamming Touma onto a Storage Container and manages to avoid Accelerator's flying super kick which dents the container and causing more to collapse! Accelerator is impress of what Touma can do and he makes the entire area their in to EXPLODE IN FLAMES!!! CLIFFHANGER WITH EVIL LAUGH!!!

So that's my review. I was totally amaze with this episode, it had two great fights , good pacing and music was great especially the one use with the battle between Touma and Accelerator! Also, love Accelerator Evil Laugh!!! I hope to see the subs soon so i can do a new review.

NEXT WEEK PV: Mikoto comes to the rescue as she teams up with Touma Against Accelerator. Can't wait for it!!! The new OP/ED might appear next week.

Well see ya. And sorry if there were any grammar mistakes.

[serenade_beta]

...Hmm? I'm not a science freak or anything, so this isn't my specialty, but would the control of vectors allow that amount of dust outside to really cause such a dust explosion?
Vector...? Wasn't it vibration...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

...No, should I even bother with logic anymore...?

Well... Accelerator's ability in general is... Well, how do I say, full of places to tsukkomi...

---

Well, with no doubt, the episode was better than the previous. Then again, that's because the story managed to move... Yet, if you look at it as a whole, for 20+ minutes, it didn't really get that far, did it? Too much narrations (and plenty of unneeded/unnatural ones)...
Tempo... a problem since this anime began.

However, the animation was at its tops and the action was exciting, so it proved to be enjoyable for the most part. Overall, it was interesting.
And best, it left me laughing at the end with Accelerator's laugh...
How did it go...
Huhuhuhuhu hahahaha ahahahhah heheheheh hyahyahya ahyahyahya... or something like that.


Random notes:

-Accelerator... Well, rather, the author really does come off as a shonen manga maniac at times. Particularly obvious in her narrations, but she really likes using "cool" words... FUJINBAKUHATSU! Totally cool~, isn't it, hahahaha.
Well, it doesn't beat that one time in the first volume of the novel... A bunch of Japanese, and suddenly, she uses some English word instead of a JP word for absolutely no real reason... That was priceless.

-T-O-U-M-A... If you don't shut your preaching mouth, I'm going to use my full power to enter the anime world and obliterate you...
Touma, you're sooo cool. Totally awesome, preaching your great justice. Rather, you don't listen to others, do you? And when they try to tell you their story/thought patterns, you just LOVE to go "URUSEEE" don't you? How about you start feeling that there are more ways to think than just your own? More like, if you want to preach, don't disrespect the other person by telling them to shut up.

-JC Staff... I'm in a bad mood, but you're getting incredibly irritating by spending lots of time on pointless stuff... Use that in Zero no Tsukaima or something, but don't start the episode spending 3-4 minutes on a bath scene with the air characters and have Komoe spend time explaining something pointless to the story.

-Why is the cat alive...

-Why didn't even one beam hit Touma...

-Accelerator can control vectors of the objects he touches, but for some reason, I feel like objects do more than it should with just the vector changing...

Preview: END...


For some reason, next week is taking a break, so the fastest channel that broadcasts this has changed...

[aroduc]

13 boring minutes (well, the scene between Mikoto and Touma was nice) and 7 decent minutes, minus the random Misaka flashback fest in the middle of it.

And yeah, from next week on, this is a... Thursday afternoon show, which makes it very late night Wednesday in the states.

[kingsky123]

...Hmm? I'm not a science freak or anything, so this isn't my specialty, but would the control of vectors allow that amount of dust outside to really cause such a dust explosion?
Vector...? Wasn't it vibration...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

...No, should I even bother with logic anymore...?

Well... Accelerator's ability in general is... Well, how do I say, full of places to tsukkomi...



well since he controls vectors , it is technically possible to cause the dust to head back and forth in vigorously high speeds , or even cause a nuclear explosion to happen since he can split an atom just by being in existance... i think... i mean he controls MOVEMENT of anything .

[kaizerknight01]

The urge to kill accelerator rose x100 in this eps

[ken_FF]

Particule explosion... just remembered Teostra and Lunastra over there XD

(gotta love Monster Hunter)

[Darknemo2000]

...spending lots of time on pointless stuff... Use that in Zero no Tsukaima or something....

Hey hey, we all know that ZnT is a steaming pile of sh... but please don't advertise them to screw it up more (though it is hard to believe that they could do more dmage than it was done).

As for this ep... Well it was pretty ok and some parts were actual enjoyable, but I cannot say I am in awe with it.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well the talking bit makes sense for Accelerator being the villain and all.

Even he has a weakness for monologuing.

As Kaori has shown before swift long range attacks are a effective strategy for Touma.

It always comes down to reaction time on Touma's part.

But being sociopath and all his tendency to get close for the kill will be his undoing.

[Mentar]

A comfortable 8 from me. Yes, there were lengths in the episode (the Komoe monologue, except for the utterly hilarious "Another one!" scene from Index-Aisa), but hey - I think this was among the best action animations I've seen for normal TV series lately. And I somehow simply like the cinematographics, alot.

[orion]

...Hmm? I'm not a science freak or anything, so this isn't my specialty, but would the control of vectors allow that amount of dust outside to really cause such a dust explosion?
Vector...? Wasn't it vibration...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

...No, should I even bother with logic anymore...?

Well... Accelerator's ability in general is... Well, how do I say, full of places to tsukkomi...



Well he does control anything with a vector. So it's probably kinectic friction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction#Kinetic_friction) of those dust particles on each other serving as an ignition source. Also MISAKA could have served as a second possible ignition source (electrostatic discharge) but she wasn't that close.

[KaneDragon]

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5797/snapshot20081228233206dt1.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228233206dt1.jpg)
His right hand is the Imagine Breaker... but his left hand is the Pimp Hand. I salute you, Touma. :p

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2117/snapshot20081228234523pd2.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228234523pd2.jpg)
Isn't she just? :rolleyes:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7865/snapshot20081228234548aw0.th.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228234548aw0.jpg)
The whole third-person-narration gig should have tipped you off, really. ;) Imouto's so cute when she's freaking out.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2566/snapshot20081228234915hp8.th.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228234915hp8.jpg)
"You hit me! Not even my father ever hit me!"

Touma didn't have much of a chance of outrunning the cloud, so he should have made a dash straight for Accelerator. Ah, well. I guess he'll just have to suffer being cooked a little. Is Biri Biri going to interfere after all, and screw up Touma's plan? It'll all work out, sure, but nonetheless...

[FlareKnight]

Touma didn't have much of a chance of outrunning the cloud, so he should have made a dash straight for Accelerator. Ah, well. I guess he'll just have to suffer being cooked a little. Is Biri Biri going to interfere after all, and screw up Touma's plan? It'll all work out, sure, but nonetheless...Well this plan isn't exactly genius as it is. I mean sure if he blocks with his right hand its possible to stop those vector attacks inside his body. But seriously all Accelerator has to do is stand back and launch range moves until Touma dies. He can't stop those things with his right hand so he's really just waiting to get taken down. Guy can increase his speed so punches with the right hand aren't likely to connect as it is. Toss in already being nearly killed by Mikoto and really it seems like this wasn't his greatest plan. I mean sure the overall theory is solid, but wouldn't annihilating the guy have a similar effect? He's already killed a ridiculous amount of clones so I'm not exactly crying over any potential death there.

If it wouldn't hurt the overall plan wouldn't mind Mikoto getting in there. Sure she can't win alone, but does deserve to get some pay back for all thats happened. Besides Touma made her cry so both of them are probably in for it anyways :heh:.

Nice that the waking up in her lap scene was put in at the start of this one.

[blitz1/2]

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5797/snapshot20081228233206dt1.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228233206dt1.jpg)
His right hand is the Imagine Breaker... but his left hand is the Pimp Hand. I salute you, Touma. :p

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2117/snapshot20081228234523pd2.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228234523pd2.jpg)
Isn't she just? :rolleyes:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7865/snapshot20081228234548aw0.th.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228234548aw0.jpg)
The whole third-person-narration gig should have tipped you off, really. ;) Imouto's so cute when she's freaking out.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2566/snapshot20081228234915hp8.th.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081228234915hp8.jpg)
"You hit me! Not even my father ever hit me!"

Touma didn't have much of a chance of outrunning the cloud, so he should have made a dash straight for Accelerator. Ah, well. I guess he'll just have to suffer being cooked a little. Is Biri Biri going to interfere after all, and screw up Touma's plan? It'll all work out, sure, but nonetheless...

yea, I didn't quite get the last picture/scene.

Unless Accelerator was using his Vector-moves and Touma just cancelled it, I don't see why would he be so shocked.

[Bordix]

yea, I didn't quite get the last picture/scene.

Unless Accelerator was using his Vector-moves and Touma just cancelled it, I don't see why would he be so shocked.

Yes, Accelerator was using his "vector-moves" and Touma just canceled it. You didn't here it? I mean the sound when Touma cancels something.

I think he could have punched Accelerator right in the face when Accelerator was still wtf-ing @ his power being canceled but Touma just stared at him.... (maybe he was still at shock after witnessing Accelerator's power or something)

Anyways, I still enjoyed this episode, so I give it a 10 :D

PS: Touma's harem ftw!
Komoe: A lot of things happened...A lot...
Index: Another one!?
Aisa: That bastard.

[jwai]

For some reason, Eclipse's H264 version of this episode doesn't work terribly well on my PC. Everything gets scrambled, so I made do with the XviD version.

[Mentar]

For some reason, Eclipse's H264 version of this episode doesn't work terribly well on my PC. Everything gets scrambled, so I made do with the XviD version.

"Scrambled"?

There haven't been any real changes since last episode, so maybe you should update your CCCP and reboot your computer. More often than not this will fix your problems.

[jwai]

"Scrambled"?

There haven't been any real changes since last episode, so maybe you should update your CCCP and reboot your computer. More often than not this will fix your problems.

Well, that didn't work, but when I did a CRC check on the episode, it didn't match up, which is likely to be the reason why it's borked.

Currently downloading the H264 episode again, and hopefully it will check correctly.

EDIT: Just as I thought. CRC reported correctly this time, and it plays properly now.

[serenade_beta]

Yes, Accelerator was using his "vector-moves" and Touma just canceled it. You didn't here it? I mean the sound when Touma cancels something.

Sound? You mean the "pechi" girly sound effect?:heh:

Well he does control anything with a vector. So it's probably kinectic friction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction#Kinetic_friction) of those dust particles on each other serving as an ignition source. Also MISAKA could have served as a second possible ignition source (electrostatic discharge) but she wasn't that close.

Fu~n, if you say so. He can only control anything he touches that has a vector, supposedly. I doubt the author even calculated Imouto into her story for an excuse for a dust explosion to happen though...

[KaneDragon]

Unless Accelerator was using his Vector-moves and Touma just cancelled it, I don't see why would he be so shocked.
Accelerator has "deflect" activated by default, so Touma being able to touch him against his will would be rather unexpected and unsettling.

If it wouldn't hurt the overall plan wouldn't mind Mikoto getting in there. Sure she can't win alone, but does deserve to get some pay back for all thats happened.
Wrong plan. The whole reason for Touma going alone and fighting Accelerator alone was because he is a level 0, and him beating Accelerator would show that the latter is really superweak. Then the whole experimental plan would be scrapped. If Biri Biri helps out, then it would just be two level 5's fighting, and "her" victory (it would have to be with Touma's help, of course) would be within the margin of error.

Touma's plan is insanely dangerous; I'm just saying that there's also a risk that whatever she ends up doing will trigger the "margin of error" mindset.

[Kinny Riddle]

The obligatory moe Index scene at the beginning of last episode and this episode was the saving grace that kept me from dropping this series impulsively. :heh:

Isn't Index adorable while soaking in the bath and relaxing on the massage chair? :love:

(LOL at Komoe insinuating that Touma has the "skills", if you know what I mean. :cool: )

Now I'm getting a bit confused.

I thought MISAKA #10032 was killed and ended up as a mangled body in a body bag two episodes ago. What's she doing here again? Or did I mistake that one as #10031?

It was funny seeing both Accelerator going WTFing at his power being momentarily cancelled out, though Touma seemed too shell shocked to even react. He's going to have a hard time getting near that psycho for a second time.

Seriously Touma, when you have a very low chance of running away from an epic explosion and the guy pulling the trigger is standing not far from you, you go for the guy! Not run away, for f*ck's sake, lol.

It'll be interesting to see how Touma survives this.

[Sinestra]

For once i actually felt bad for Touma. Taking on the Accelrator might not have been his brightest idea the difference in power is staggering and all he has managed to do is PISS him off even more by touching his hand. Guess what Touma if you cant touch him then your power means jack but then again how the hell do you get close to someone who powers are just monstrous offensive and defensive he just insane not to mention hes probably a little bit off his rocker as well.

My tactic i would find a way to make him come to me. The biggest advantage Touma has is Accelerators belief in his own powers hes very confident try using that over confidence against him. Lure him to you and use that cursed hand to dispel his powers thats all i can really think of to get close enough for Touma to do anything. Also, why the hell did Touma run away from him when he was about cause the dust explosion. He might have got a lucky hit in Accelerator would never have guessed Touma would run at him but no he ran away just like what he wanted. All i can say to Touma is good luck man you are going to need it.

Honestly, Im not sure what im watching anymore.

[Ashlotte]

Woohoo more talking...And touma running around for the rest of the time doing nothing much...*cry*

Meh I'll still keep watching and hoping in the next year like I did this one still...Comeooon episode 1 pacing I know your there somewhere...

[SwiftStrike]

10032 was in the bag in previous eps I thought?
dust explosions...howd accelerator make fire?

[serenade_beta]

dust explosions...howd accelerator make fire?

You lose if you think about it (突っ込だら, 負け).

[KaneDragon]

His smile is flammable. :3

[Bordix]

Accelerator and his kill-"her" smile :rolleyes:(ha! there I said it)

It'll be interesting to see how Touma survives this
All he has to do is raise his right hand then he'll be safe. Although Accelerator would find out about his power..

hmmm wonder what happened to Imouto(fried?)...

[serenade_beta]

It'll be interesting to see how Touma survives this.

The same way he somehow survives Mikoto's attacks or how the cat survived Mikoto's attacks or how he didn't get hit by any beam. Just because.

hmmm wonder what happened to Imouto(fried?)...

Coincidentally safe for some reason, I bet. If she was fried, this would be a BAD END. :heh:

[ReddyRedWolf]

10032 was in the bag in previous eps I thought?
dust explosions...howd accelerator make fire?

That's the problem with Imouto she speaks on the third person.

She was reffering to herself.

Since she wasn't the designated Imouto at the time. She was the closest for clearing up the evidence.

[Kinny Riddle]

That's the problem with Imouto she speaks on the third person.

She was reffering to herself.

Since she wasn't the designated Imouto at the time. She was the closest for clearing up the evidence.

Ah, so the one in the body bag was #10031 then? While the one doing the "cleaning up" was #10032?

[KaneDragon]

While the one doing the "cleaning up" was #10032?
Well, that and a dozen of her closest friends. :p

hmmm wonder what happened to Imouto(fried?)...
:heh::heh::heh::heh:

[SwiftStrike]

guess i lost vs accelerator cuz i thought about it...but i dont think that had any vector changes


hides in the shed

[ken_FF]

simple: just punch him. but before you hit him, pull your fist back and the "vector reflector" will do the trick. ;)

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

Accerlarator is too evil killing girls like it's nothing to him. Touma can't do shit against him unless his imagine breaker evolve.

[Doc Astaroth]

This episode was not so bad...

I really start to like the Loli-Trio, the "another-one"-joke wasn´t too bad.^^;

But the part, where Accelator get a rap on the knuckles, was even more ridiculous.
He is really the traditional "White-hair-pretty-boy" bad guy, including overeaction by insulting his ego. :heh:
(But I think, it´s better in the manga, where Touma doesn´t just slap, but he PUNCHS Accelator´s arm during free fall!)

... So and now... Now I really want to know, how Touma did survive this... (I think Imouto-san was out of reach of the explosion).
He could survive Mikoto, because she pulls her "punches" unconsciously, but in this case...

And did Accelator really trigger this explosion? I don´t think so, because then he could use it whenever he wants...
There is a possibility, that the flour dust was ignited by another source (The tower, which Accelator destroyed, maybe...)

Oh, and for Touma:
Is this guy stupid? Maybe...
(The difference between idiots and genius is success ;D)
Have this guy some guts? That for sure...

Should I pity or admire him now... :p

[ReddyRedWolf]

Accerlarator is too evil killing girls like it's nothing to him. Touma can't do shit against him unless his imagine breaker evolve.

I think the reason Imagine Breaker works is that Touma is too mundane.

If Komoe-sensei's explanation for espers are right. This can also apply for magic users.

Rejecting reality for your own. Touma just slaps you back to reality.

Lol at Index and Aisa. "That..." "Bastard":heh:

I wonder if there is a story on how he and Komoe-sensei first met.

Perhaps an origin story on how he got into Academy City in the first place.

Not that he remembers any of it.

[Kinny Riddle]

Well, that and a dozen of her closest friends. :p


:heh::heh::heh::heh:
Thanks for the answer. Just a few more silly questions to clear things up: Who was it that interacted with Touma before? #10031 or #10032?

If it was #10032 all along, then she would be the one that waited outside the bookstore for Touma when Accelerator came. If so, did she then summon #10031 to the designated battlefield (alley) and/or led Accelerator there as well? From Accelerator's psycho personality, I didn't think he would be that patient to just wait for the proper clone to come along and fight him, or maybe I know jack-all about him.

[ayu]

10032 was in the bag in previous eps I thought?
dust explosions...howd accelerator make fire?

By fufilling these 5 requirements:
1) Having a combustible dust
2) Having the dust is suspended in the air at a proper concentration
3) Having is an oxidant (typically atmospheric oxygen);
4) Confining the dust
5) Providing and ignition source

Courtesy of Wikipedia

[Sorrow-K]

Accelerator is vile. Absolutely vile. I'll give them credit for making a character that's pretty much impossible to like. They've succeeded there.

[serenade_beta]

By fufilling these 5 requirements:
1) Having a combustible dust
2) Having the dust is suspended in the air at a proper concentration
3) Having is an oxidant (typically atmospheric oxygen);
4) Confining the dust
5) Providing and ignition source

Courtesy of Wikipedia

2 is... somewhat doubtful.
I have no idea about 1, 5
The outside is as confined as the sky is green.

...
ah... I thought about it... I lost...

[SwiftStrike]

Accelerator is vile. Absolutely vile. I'll give them credit for making a character that's pretty much impossible to like. They've succeeded there.

look out for all those power hungry people in other anime's then :D
although Accelerator would kill millions of people just to get more power...isnt that what insatiable-hunger is about?
At least....he's cool


lol I give up on the fire part....even if some reality is in it, doesnt all have to make sense

[MrTerrorist]

By fufilling these 5 requirements:
1) Having a combustible dust
2) Having the dust is suspended in the air at a proper concentration
3) Having is an oxidant (typically atmospheric oxygen);
4) Confining the dust
5) Providing and ignition source

Courtesy of Wikipedia

2 is... somewhat doubtful.
I have no idea about 1, 5
The outside is as confined as the sky is green.
...
ah... I thought about it... I lost...

@serenade_beta

All the 5 factors were true and possible in the episode because:

1. Wheat flour while maybe a mundane material, can also be a dangerous material when large amount are gather in a single space.

2. Accelerator just destroy several steel container fill with flour, hence a large amount of dust around him and Toma. Furthermore there was no wind during that night hence that dust stay suspended in the air for some time. Ofcourse Accelerator could have also control the dust to stay there.

3. There in an open space with air around them.

4. Remember, he can control anything he touches hence controlling the dust to stay there.

5. The trigger for the explosion is the dust particles themselves. If everyone remembers E=MC2 in physics, then you how this works. Basically what Accelerator did was cause a huge Kinetic friction by making all of the dust particles hitting each which everyone knows for every action there is a reaction, which in this case causing the dust particles to make a spark.

Now combine the fact that Accelerator was making all the dust to "spark"at the same time + large amount of oxygen at the area = A huge fiery explosion.

Hope that explain it for you and those who didn't bother to have learn a basic understanding of Physics or watching Mythbusters.

[KaneDragon]

4. Remember, he can control anything he touches hence controlling the dust to stay there.
He's not touching the dust--or at least, only a very little bit is physically touching/close to him.

[Doc Astaroth]

He's not touching the dust--or at least, only a very little bit is physically touching/close to him.

That doesn´t seems to make a difference... Look at this stunt with the rails!
It seems as long Accelator acknowledges that the objects he touches as one being, he can influence the entire object.

Well, but on the other you must wonder, why then he doesn´t simply creates extreme air waves to smash his opponents in pieces. :heh:

[KaneDragon]

That doesn´t seems to make a difference... Look at this stunt with the rails!
He was touching the rails. The rails were solid, physically-connected objects. Dust is not; separate dust particles floating in the air. Otherwise, the "anything he touches" limitation is meaningless, and Accelerator can just Force-crush opponents at arbitrary distances, since he's touching the air.

Accelerator's power is broken, but surely not that much...

[Solafighter]

This series would process a lot more, if they would less talking and more action. :heh: :heh: :heh:

But well, then this series would have round about now its final episode. :)

[Doc Astaroth]

He was touching the rails. The rails were solid, physically-connected objects. Dust is not; separate dust particles floating in the air. Otherwise, the "anything he touches" limitation is meaningless, and Accelerator can just Force-crush opponents at arbitrary distances, since he's touching the air.

Accelerator's power is broken, but surely not that much...

Mhm, everything is somehow physically-connected...

But I think, you are right, because the amount of different vectors would be absurdly big, too. :heh:

But who knows... Maybe this would happen, if Accelator will reach Level 6!

[SwiftStrike]

maybe there will be people with even more rigged powers (havent read manga yet...)
but somehow work with the physics

[serenade_beta]

^And why are you telling us this? This is the episode 13 thread, not the thread to talk about what Accelerator does in the future.

[Doc Astaroth]

^And why are you telling us this? This is the episode 13 thread, not the thread to talk about what Accelerator does in the future.

I am sorry, it was just because of this discussion, if Accelerator could manipulate gases or not. Well, also we saw it already in the preview.

[Shiroth]

Accelerator is vile. Absolutely vile. I'll give them credit for making a character that's pretty much impossible to like. They've succeeded there.
I didn't mind him, though he seriously needs to work on his very weak evil laugh. :heh:

I am sorry, it was just because of this discussion, if Accelerator could manipulate gases or not. Well, also we saw it already in the preview.
It's good that you're sorry, though could you please delete your spoiler?

[serenade_beta]

I am sorry, it was just because of this discussion, if Accelerator could manipulate gases or not. Well, also we saw it already in the preview.

It's okay, just a simple mistake (plus, not a spoiler to me regardless).
But, yeah, delete your spoiler.
We saw something in the preview, but it's not like anyone knows what it is just by the looks of it with no explanation.

PS, Accelerator is no bishounen......

[Shiroth]

PS, Accelerator is no bishounen......
Far from it. :heh:

[Darklightz]

This anime has got me lost. Was it about learning about magic? No...Was it about protecting Index from evil mages? No. Was it about going on missions from the Church? No. This serie keeps making so many turns I don't understand what it's about.

Anyway, this episode my opinion of Toma fell down the drain. To help Misaka and MISAKA is very noble, but to face Accelerator head on knowing he's much stronger with no plan and not even using his own power is boderline retarded. After Accelerator got close to Toma, Toma should have taken this opportunity to grab him with his right arm and cancel vector change. I'm guessing that having fought using only his power, Accelerator must be physically weak. Just hold his arm while using imagine breaker and beat him to a pulp.

And for a serie named after her, Index is getting very few scenes. I hope they get back on track or else I'll lose interest very quickly.

[Darknemo2000]

Darklightz, I would advice you to stop being index fan as simply it is Touma and not Index that is the main thing. Despite it looking like Index is the main heroine she is more like a main supporting character.

[Le Anh]

Just hold his arm while using imagine breaker and beat him to a pulp.

I think you are underestimate Accelerator hax power. Remember that he can control vector of everything that touch him (or his "deflect aura"), not just what he touch by his arm. And Imagine Breaker is not power-sealing ability, which mean holding AC arm won't affect his vector changing much.

[MrTerrorist]

I think you are underestimate Accelerator hax power. Remember that he can control vector of everything that touch him (or his "deflect aura"), not just what he touch by his arm. And Imagine Breaker is not power-sealing ability, which mean holding AC arm won't affect his vector changing much.

True. Furthermore, the free arm that he's using to punch Accelerator will be effected by Accelerator powers. Thus he's screw.

In related note:
I once went to myanimelist.com and someone suggested that they use Kuroko to use her teleportion powers to teleport Accelerator into space to defeat him.

It sounds like a good idea....until you realize the flaws in this plan.

1. Kuroko teleportion range is limited to about a few meters making it impossible for her to send him all the way into space. Furthermore, even if she and him were close to Earths atmosphere, she would have to concentrated on where she has to send him but because she fighting against him, adjusting herself in an unfamiliar environment and the stress will make her it impossible for her powers to work.

2. Some people seems to forget that whatever touches Accelerator will be reflected back. So even if Kuroko try to teleport him into space, it's actually her that's being teleported! Also Accelerator would kill her if she tries to touch him.

[kingsky123]

True. Furthermore, the free arm that he's using to punch Accelerator will be effected by Accelerator powers. Thus he's screw.

In related note:
I once went to myanimelist.com and someone suggested that they use Kuroko to use her teleportion powers to teleport Accelerator into space to defeat him.

It sounds like a good idea....until you realize the flaws in this plan.

1. Kuroko teleportion range is limited to about a few meters making it impossible for her to send him all the way into space. Furthermore, even if she and him were close to Earths atmosphere, she would have to concentrated on where she has to send him but because she fighting against him, adjusting herself in an unfamiliar environment and the stress will make her it impossible for her powers to work.

2. Some people seems to forget that whatever touches Accelerator will be reflected back. So even if Kuroko try to teleport him into space, it's actually her that's being teleported! Also Accelerator would kill her if she tries to touch him.

dude, teleportation has no vector values... its teleportation... and you do not need to teleport people to space, just teleport stuff inside of him

and i think when touma touches accelerator he cant use his abilities since mikoto cant generate electricity when touma touches her . touma hax > accelerator hax

[KaneDragon]

and i think when touma touches accelerator he cant use his abilities since mikoto cant generate electricity when touma touches her . touma hax > accelerator hax
That was in the Railgun manga, which also had Touma stopping Mikoto's railgun (which shouldn't be possible). Hence, that is not a reliable example.

But even that aside, in that scene, Mikoto had been planning on shocking Touma through her hand, which was holding his. Maybe if she had shocked him with her other hand (or called down lightning), it would have worked. Or not. Touma's hand might actually prevent any esper from using their power if the hand is touching that esper's body. I'm doubtful, but I don't think we have enough information at this point.

[Cight]

The most obvious way of killing the Accelerator is to shoot him in the eye. No skin, no vector ability. Or Nerve gas him. And teleportation would definitely kill him as there is no movement involved and it is instantaneous. Meaning, unless that teleportation girl is level 5, the whole level thing is rubbish. It depends on exactly what your ability is and whether you have the brains to use it properly (which Touma does have). Also the Alchemist could also beat the Accelerator.

The fight in this episode should already be over. Touma had the perfect opportunity to inflict game over damage when he surprised him by slapping his hand aside.

[Bordix]

The most obvious way of killing the Accelerator is to shoot him in the eye. No skin, no vector ability. Or Nerve gas him. And teleportation would definitely kill him as there is no movement involved and it is instantaneous. Meaning, unless that teleportation girl is level 5, the whole level thing is rubbish. It depends on exactly what your ability is and whether you have the brains to use it properly (which Touma does have). Also the Alchemist could also beat the Accelerator.

The fight in this episode should already be over. Touma had the perfect opportunity to inflict game over damage when he surprised him by slapping his hand aside.

You forgot? Imouto Already done that but it failed. He still redirected the bullet.

[Mentar]

About the dust explosion: I see no reason to question this aspect. They happen up to this very day, and in fact, wheat flour is extremely dangerous - I remember that 1 year ago a wheat mill exploded close to my parents' home. Therefore, all that Accelerator had to do was to provide an ignition source - and I don't see that this is hard to do. Smashing some sparks would already do the trick. Or hurling one of the steel rails into an electric installation.

That said, I doubt that it would be a good idea to delve too deeply into the "this is unrealistic" issue ;) ... we're talking about Magic and Espers here, folks!

[Cight]

You forgot? Imouto Already done that but it failed. He still redirected the bullet.
Are you referring to the fight in ep 11? I don't think she hit his eye, although it was close:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2455/vlcsnap00360rm2.th.png (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap00360rm2.png)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Hey! Touma did wake up in Mikoto's lap after all!

All is right in this world again!

I seriously don't get what's wrong with the little scene between Touma's current harem, am I really the only one who's interested in some back ground story about Espers and their powers? Even putting that aside, the scene was still cute :)

"Another one?!"
"That bastard!!"

The fight scene with Accelerator was cool, as expected of one with such haxx powers, he really does live up to his name- now I know why he is also called the 'One-way-street', not considering his power. Touma does his thing when standing up against a vastly superior enemy, for that I salute him. But as expected, Accelerator is on a whole new different level than any of his previous opponents. Not only can he control movement force, heat and electricity, but he can do it faster than a speeding bullet, hence why he kept mocking at Touma's speed.

[serenade_beta]

That said, I doubt that it would be a good idea to delve too deeply into the "this is unrealistic" issue ;) ... we're talking about Magic and Espers here, folks!

For magic, maybe, but these "espers" have their powers based (supposedly) on scientific sources, so if something seems strange, then it being pointed out can't be helped.

You forgot? Imouto Already done that but it failed. He still redirected the bullet.

...? It didn't touch him but he somehow reflected it. Unless my memory is weakening, didn't he say he can control the vectors of objects that touch him?...
Arererere?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Are you referring to the fight in ep 11? I don't think she hit his eye, although it was close:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2455/vlcsnap00360rm2.th.png (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap00360rm2.png)



...? It didn't touch him but he somehow reflected it. Unless my memory is weakening, didn't he say he can control the vectors of objects that touch him?...
Arererere?

The only way he could redirect it is if it touches him, and yes the bullet did touch his eye, though the anime could've used a better angle like this


http://img42.onemanga.com/mangas/00001502/000095532/20.jpg

[serenade_beta]

The only way he could redirect it is if it touches him, and yes the bullet did touch his eye, though the anime could've used a better angle like this

Angle or nothing, it just isn't touching Accelerator in the anime, no matter how you bend your head, it's clear that a mysterious force field is stopping the bullet in its track before it hits him.

Yeah, it did seem like it hit him in the manga though. In the manga.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Angle or nothing, it just isn't touching Accelerator in the anime, no matter how you bend your head, it's clear that a mysterious force field is stopping the bullet in its track before it hits him.

Yeah, it did seem like it hit him in the manga though. In the manga.

*Shrug*

So maybe it's the studio's choice of how to animate it; Nevertheless the point is that as long as it touches him even the slightest at any part of his body, he can redirect it.... And he certainly is fast enough to do it.

[Cight]

The only way he could redirect it is if it touches him, and yes the bullet did touch his eye, though the anime could've used a better angle like this That's completely different to the anime. It doesn't hit him in the eye. And he specifically says skin and that ain't skin.

Quoting from ep 11:
Accelerator: The answer is "vector change".
Momentum, heat, electric charge...
All kinds of "vectors" can be changed with just the touch of my skin.
I do have it set on "reflect" as default, though
(Eclipse)

[Doc Astaroth]

It's good that you're sorry, though could you please delete your spoiler?


But, yeah, delete your spoiler.
We saw something in the preview, but it's not like anyone knows what it is just by the looks of it with no explanation.


Did already happen... (including my first warning here :heh: )
Sorry, I am new here and I´m not conversant with the rules here yet... Well, but it isn´t something, I couldn´t figure out by myself, so I should just shut up. :p



That said, I doubt that it would be a good idea to delve too deeply into the "this is unrealistic" issue ;) ... we're talking about Magic and Espers here, folks!

And what?

If a serie claims, what one of its powers bases on "science", I think, we can play "Myth Busters" here. :D

Of course, the problem isn´t "this is unrealistic". It´s "there is inconsistence in the established rules of the serie".

[MrTerrorist]

That's completely different to the anime. It doesn't hit him in the eye. And he specifically says skin and that ain't skin.

Quoting from ep 11:
Accelerator: The answer is "vector change".
Momentum, heat, electric charge...
All kinds of "vectors" can be changed with just the touch of my skin.
I do have it set on "reflect" as default, though
(Eclipse)

Nobody bothers to read the source materiel, the light novels do they?
Even if did hit his eye, it would still be reflected. Hence even if you shot a nuclear bomb at him, the bomb will go back and blow up from where it came from before it explodes!

[Bordix]

^
yeah,what he said...(Well,unless he wants to get killed and turn off is his powers:eyespin:)

I just read the announcement concerning ep 14.So do we get a new ep next week?

[Cight]

Nobody bothers to read the source materiel, the light novels do they?
Because this is a thread about an episode from the anime. Anime adaptions have a long history of deviating from the original source. So it isn't pertinent to bring up something from another source when the thing in question explicitly contradicts it.

[serenade_beta]

Nobody bothers to read the source materiel, the light novels do they?
Even if did hit his eye, it would still be reflected. Hence even if you shot a nuclear bomb at him, the bomb will go back and blow up from where it came from before it explodes!

1. Why would it reflect back? Don't tell me, just because? It says "skin" but eye=/=skin, and yet it reflects back...

2. Assuming the bomb hits him. If the bomb explodes before that... (From what I remember, the use on the Japanese cities had the bombs exploding before it landed...?)

I just read the announcement concerning ep 14.So do we get a new ep next week?

Supposedly, Wed night (Thurs morning for JP).

[Clarste]

1. Why would it reflect back? Don't tell me, just because? It says "skin" but eye=/=skin, and yet it reflects back...

2. Assuming the bomb hits him. If the bomb explodes before that... (From what I remember, the use on the Japanese cities had the bombs exploding before it landed...?)



Supposedly, Wed night (Thurs morning for JP).

1) I don't think we should be caught up on the technical meaning of the word "skin." Eyes have membranes too, maybe that counts? Who knows? It doesn't really matter. I think we can safely assume that his eyes are covered. Maybe he just said "skin" for ease of explanation. I guess that means that it doesn't work on his hair? Or not.

2) If he can't be hit by moving objects, I don't see why an explosion would hit him either. An explosion is just a bunch of shrapnel, heat, and a shockwave of moving air. All of which are perfectly reflectable with vector control. Although I agree that reflecting the bomb itself before it explodes is a nonsensical idea. That's not how bombs work.

[Tokkan]

Supposedly, Wed night (Thurs morning for JP).

1 PM (13:00) is the morning now?

[sb075]

Teleport type ESP in this series has the vector though I omit the detailed explanation.

[Doc Astaroth]

1. Why would it reflect back? Don't tell me, just because? It says "skin" but eye=/=skin, and yet it reflects back...

Maybe Accelerator includes with "skin" also the "skin" of the eye...
In German it would make sense, because the cornea is called "Hornhaut" ( same word like "scarf skin" :heh: )



2. Assuming the bomb hits him. If the bomb explodes before that... (From what I remember, the use on the Japanese cities had the bombs exploding before it landed...?)


... he would still survive, right? :heh:

Accelerator stated that he could even changed the "directions" of heat, in other words, of electromagnetic waves.


Lol, so basically if Accelerator would ever show interest in some girl, he will be able to reflect all light that is hitting him and make himself sparkling like a vampire from Twilight...


Oh, I should stop! This thought could melt my brain!

[Le Anh]

Angle or nothing, it just isn't touching Accelerator in the anime, no matter how you bend your head, it's clear that a mysterious force field is stopping the bullet in its track before it hits him.

Yeah, it did seem like it hit him in the manga though. In the manga.

Actually, just from what we saw in the anime we should already know that Accelerator surrounds himself with an "aura" (in your words, "force field") that deflect everything except basic needs/what he want to get pass (don't know if it's true in novel/manga, but at least in anime it seems so).

He said he can control all kinds of vector of things touch his skin, true, but that probally not everything he can do. The explaintation in ep 11 looked more like he was teasing Misaka imouto than a detailed explaintation about power :P.

[serenade_beta]

Actually, just from what we saw in the anime we should already know that Accelerator surrounds himself with an "aura" (in your words, "force field") that deflect everything except basic needs/what he want to get pass (don't know if it's true in novel/manga, but at least in anime it seems so).

He said he can control all kinds of vector of things touch his skin, true, but that probally not everything he can do. The explaintation in ep 11 looked more like he was teasing Misaka imouto than a detailed explaintation about power :P.

Fuh, the "there's more than was told" explanation? Unfortunately, it is specifically specified that he can control the vectors of stuff that touches him, and he is not "toying" with anyone by explaining.

1 PM (13:00) is the morning now?

Yes, on AT-X.

[Tokkan]

Yes, on AT-X.

So AT-X considers one hour into the Afternoon as the Morning?

[serenade_beta]

So AT-X considers one hour into the Afternoon as the Morning?

What? Are you talking about the 13:00 time? Then, yes, that's just how the time is listed, but it really is 1 PM (in Japan).

[Cight]

It says something interesting about the universe of this series that espers can control things by will alone. It could quite likely be a computer program ala the Matrix. That way laws of physics can be ignored (like the conservation of energy) and entities can know everything about the world (how game AI cheats). If you think about it Accelerator's ability requires both of these things. Not only can he change the direction of objects with no inertia but he can increase their speed as well. He also has to know everything about an object he touches - how big it is, how many atoms it contains so he can manipulate the entire thing. And Touma's ability would work just like Neo's when he rejects being shot by the agents - <insert Adam quote here>. Although it's more of restore to defaults ability.

[ReddyRedWolf]

What? Are you talking about the 13:00 time? Then, yes, that's just how the time is listed, but it really is 1 PM (in Japan).

Actually it's 2:30 am there when the show is on.

I should know Japan is just up north from where I live.

[Tokkan]

Actually it's 2:30 am there when the show is on.

I should know Japan is just up north from where I live.

That's the Saturday (uh... Sunday) airing, we're talking about the Thursday airings on AT-X.

[kingsky123]

1. Why would it reflect back? Don't tell me, just because? It says "skin" but eye=/=skin, and yet it reflects back...

2. Assuming the bomb hits him. If the bomb explodes before that... (From what I remember, the use on the Japanese cities had the bombs exploding before it landed...?)



Supposedly, Wed night (Thurs morning for JP).

i dont think he will be damaged from heat or the impact since he will merely reflect it away. therefore the bomb wont kill him =/

[khryoleoz]

Dude, no villain in recent memory had been someone I hated more since this punk Accelerator. I can't wait for Touma to kick his ass.

[Ice Block]

Disclaimer: I am not a novel reader.
Scientific explanations? Ok, based on this...

Accelerator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index#Academy_City_students_and_ residents)
The most powerful Psychic in the Academy City. A sadistic boy about the same age as Touma, he has an ability called "Redirection", a form of telekinesis. He can change the vector values of anything he touches. He has to consciously allow gravity to affect him, and can block out all sound. Furthermore, this ability is automatic so projectiles like bullets or explosives like bombs have no effect on him, as they will be redirected. It is because of his ability that he has an albino appearance (white hair, red eyes and pale skin), for his body blocks all ultraviolet radiation and in turn prevents the skin from manufacturing melanin.
Basically, he can control forces, velocity (and therefore, acceleration). So, how can he:

a. passively reflect high-speed projectiles (bullets, shrapnel, etc)?
Newton's third law, to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; normal force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_force). These projectiles will not in any way harm him (due to contact force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_force)) and they will just be reflected at the same velocity. How? By simply setting the velocity of the projectile to zero upon "impact" and let the normal force governed by Newton's third law do its job (he could also modify the strength of this force, from making the projectile simply drop to the ground to making it move even faster). Of course, he could also just make an inverse event horizon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon)-like semipermeable "membrane" (made of all possible forces/paths pointing out) around himself, where instead of keeping stuff from going out of the horizon, it makes most foreign matter and radiation unable to get inside (this is what I suspect he's doing).

b. fly?
Step one: Set my acceleration due to gravity to 0 meters per second per second. Step two: Now that I am no longer bound by gravity, I can accelerate myself at will.

c. make a dust explosion?
Telekinesis; movement of matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis#Umbrella_term)
Speed up or slow down the naturally occurring vibrations of atoms in matter to alter temperature, possibly to the point of ignition if combustible (also known as pyrokinesis and cryokinesis respectively). Theoretically, he could also freeze water (or just about anything) just by touching it (thanks to convection). This also means he is immune to extreme temperatures. Pour liquid nitrogen on him and he's either gonna evaporate it or redirect it. Magma? You just gave him a huge chunk of rock to use against you.

d. make the ground beneath him seemingly burst out with a "war stomp"?
He modifies the direction and strength of the forces beneath his feet to mimic the effects of a minor impact event (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event). This same tactic is used for his "super kick" move, and possibly for his punches and other physical attacks, with varying strengths.

Another fun fact about his power is that he can manipulate the direction of light to make his hand (or his entire body) act like a mirror, omit colors (light wavelengths) from his appearance or make himself look black, or make himself invisible. And with sound - for starters - he could modify the tone, pitch and volume of his voice.

So, how do you beat someone with an extremely overpowered ability and an amazingly fast mind? Well, you need to fight hax with hax. Now, someone mentioned the Level 04 Teleporter, Shirai Kuroko? Well, in my opinion, Kuroko would be the best assassin in this show. She could just teleport a few stones into your head, and you wont even have time to react. However: Shirai Kuroko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index#Academy_City_students_and_ residents)
Her powers are instant teleportation, which allows her to teleport herself and anything in her possession as long it weighs around 130-137 kilograms, to anywhere in an radius of around 81-85 meters. One disadvantage of her power is that she has to concentrate on where she and the object(s) and person she holds would be teleported to, for any disturbance in her concentration will make her powers useless.So I take it that the person she would be assassinating should more or less stay still. :uhoh:

And talking about rankings, I believe that the psychics are ranked according to their understanding and creative use of their abilities (a very good example of this would be Mikoto's progression form Level 01 to Level 05). Going by this, Accelerator would be the most exploitative bastard in Academy City. Cheater. :p

[Kagedanji]

So after this episode, could we compare Accelerator's evil-ness to Dio Brando's?

[serenade_beta]

@At 2 posts above

1. Wikipedia... *laugh*
Let's use what we have in front of us, not the site where anyone can edit

2. No one knows why Accelerator looks the way he is as this point, your post nicely spoils it...

[Eisdrache]

I wouldnt mind as well if you put those wiki parts that explain manga material that isnt covered yet in the anime in spoilers.

Like Kurokos level, her abilities and some more bits.

[Ice Block]

Shirai Kuroko stuff spoilerized. Sorry, failed to realize they haven't elaborated yet on the nature of her ability - just briefly stating that she's a Teleporter.

However, note that even though I already omitted most of Accelerator's character description, I chose to include the UV-ray blocking stuff since I believe that would be expected given the nature of his ability. One can simply deduce that anything not needed by his body will be automatically redirected, and since UV can do more harm than good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uv#Beneficial_effects) (with its beneficial effects easily covered up by dietary supplements), it is reflected casually. Now, if you do a quick google one would know that no UV exposure = no Melanogenesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanogenesis#Melanogenesis)... My point: a little analysis goes a long way. For all I know, since its a wiki and all and anyone can edit, that was an inference based on the given facts. So, justified?

@sb: Don't trust Wikipedia? Okay.

Accelerator: The answer is "vector change".
Momentum, heat, electric charge...
All kinds of "vectors" can be changed with just the touch of my skin.
I do have it set on "reflect" as default, though
Based on this, I can quote my previous post and nothing would have changed. Do I win? ;)

PS: I just realized that his powers couldn't possibly be tied to just his skin, since he clearly doesn't have skin contact with the ground during his "war stomps". I believe his ability is like a small aura/bubble of hax around him, where all vectors within that bubble he can modify (like Mikoto's and the SISTERS' passive electromagnetic aura and discharges). This also makes the explanation for his reflective barrier much simpler.

[serenade_beta]

However, note that even though I already omitted most of Accelerator's character description, I chose to include the UV-ray blocking stuff since I believe that would be expected given the nature of his ability. One can simply deduce that anything not needed by his body will be automatically redirected, and since UV can do more harm than good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uv#Beneficial_effects) (with its beneficial effects easily covered up by dietary supplements), it is reflected casually. Now, if you do a quick google one would know that no UV exposure = no Melanogenesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanogenesis#Melanogenesis)... My point: a little analysis goes a long way.

@sb: Don't trust Wikipedia? Okay.

PS: I just realized that his powers couldn't possibly be tied to just his skin, since he clearly doesn't have skin contact with the ground during his "war stomps". I believe his ability is like a small aura/bubble of hax around him, where all vectors within that bubble he can modify (like Mikoto's and the SISTERS' passive electromagnetic aura and discharges). This also makes the explanation for his reflective barrier much simpler.

A little... rather, I find it hard to even think about that unless someone told you it in the first place... There are quite a number of white hair/skin anime characters existing after all, and they don't all suffer from... whatever that's called.

Rather than the problem of true/false, it's more of the fact that it is written by the people who read it that's the problem... Especially with this series where the explanations/results/rules are written in a messy manner... The interpretations are different...

Right~ That's the thing. The author clearly declares his power to connect to his skin, yet she writes the story like it's completely different.

[Ice Block]

A little... rather, I find it hard to even think about that unless someone told you it in the first place... There are quite a number of white hair/skin anime characters existing after all, and they don't all suffer from... whatever that's called.
Maybe so, but not all of them I believe have an ability that can block UV-rays.

Anyway,
Rather than the problem of true/false, it's more of the fact that it is written by the people who read it that's the problem... Especially with this series where the explanations/results/rules are written in a messy manner... The interpretations are different...

Right~ That's the thing. The author clearly declares his power to connect to his skin, yet she writes the story like it's completely different.
I see... well, retcons happen when an author gets stuck with some contradiction within his/her work. I have experienced this on one of the most retconed stories in the last 2 decades, Warcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft). This series is so prone to retcons that the authors have introduced a new way to fool-proof their alterations -- Flavor Lore (http://www.wowwiki.com/Flavor_lore). :uhoh:
Flavor lore is lore that is written in-universe that doesn't necessarily agree with what actually happened, but exists in the world of Azeroth to add realism, and make the world seem more alive.

Flavor lore often includes competing historical accounts written by in-universe authors, competing legends kept by various races in the world, or even different belief systems.
Well, lets see if Index's author (due to too much contradictions and not enough research on the science side) resorts to flavor lore in the long run. :heh:

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Well, if they were going for absolutely psychotic with Accelerator, they succeeded. Though that guy is the biggest prick ever, he makes an excellent bad-guy. A guy you love to hate. Or hate to hate. Whatever. In any case, Touma is gonna have his hands full. I know he can cancel supernatural powers, but he can't stop physical phenomena. That is, if he touches Acc. he'll be able to atop him from using his vector changing powers, but he can't stop, for instance, a falling I-beam like were shown in the OP. Vectors or no vectors. If Acc. decides to keep his distance and pelt Touma with small projectiles, he's screwed.

Edit: Oh, and I also rated the episode 9/10, for the curious.

[Maceart]

Finally an action episode. Still not enough, but entertaining nevertheless.

This show would be so much better if it's a harem anime though, or something like Busou Renkin.

[serenade_beta]

or something like Busou Renkin.

It'll take years and a miracle for Toaru to become like Busou Renkin (especially in sense)...

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well, if they were going for absolutely psychotic with Accelerator, they succeeded. Though that guy is the biggest prick ever, he makes an excellent bad-guy. A guy you love to hate. Or hate to hate. Whatever. In any case, Touma is gonna have his hands full. I know he can cancel supernatural powers, but he can't stop physical phenomena. That is, if he touches Acc. he'll be able to atop him from using his vector changing powers, but he can't stop, for instance, a falling I-beam like were shown in the OP. Vectors or no vectors. If Acc. decides to keep his distance and pelt Touma with small projectiles, he's screwed.

Edit: Oh, and I also rated the episode 9/10, for the curious.

From Komoe's explanation I derive that anything that violates the natural laws of physics Touma can cancel.

But natural laws can kill him. Its situations like that villains should have a real gun or a real sword.

[gigaloki]

From Komoe's explanation I derive that anything that violates the natural laws of physics Touma can cancel.

But natural laws can kill him. Its situations like that villains should have a real gun or a real sword.

yes, i think this one is true because when touma battles with the alchemist. his arm was torned when the blade hits it.

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i think ep 13 is pretty cool and i rate it 8/10. im cant wait for the next one. :heh:

[KaneDragon]

yes, i think this one is true because when touma battles with the alchemist. his arm was torned when the blade hits it.
Do recall, Touma only cancels stuff that hits his right hand. Lizardo's blade hit him at the shoulder, making Touma's power entirely moot.

For that particular battle, if the blade had hit his hand instead, it would have been canceled, if for no other reason than because Lizardo believed it would be canceled.

[blitz1/2]

Do recall, Touma only cancels stuff that hits his right hand. Lizardo's blade hit him at the shoulder, making Touma's power entirely moot.

For that particular battle, if the blade had hit his hand instead, it would have been canceled, if for no other reason than because Lizardo believed it would be canceled.

Either that, or it made Imagine Breaker's power spill al over the place since the guillotines above TOuma disappeared (but wrong ep to discuss, I never understood that)

Why does the next ep have to be so far?!

[KaneDragon]

Either that, or it made Imagine Breaker's power spill al over the place since the guillotines above TOuma disappeared (but wrong ep to discuss, I never understood that)
The guillotines disappeared because Lizardo lost confidence in his power and considered the possibility of failure. Touma got a dragon arm shortly thereafter for the same reason. We've been through all this before, in the discussion thread for the episode in question; go back and reread that thread.

This thread has been OT for a while now--the regrettable consequence of the long wait. :heh:

[Spectacular_Insanity]

From Komoe's explanation I derive that anything that violates the natural laws of physics Touma can cancel.

But natural laws can kill him. Its situations like that villains should have a real gun or a real sword.

Yes, but once an object is in motion it is no longer violating natural laws. Only the moment in which the vector is changed are the laws changed. That's why Touma can block one of Acc.'s punches (because he cancel's Acc.'s powers by touching him with his right hand) but not an object flying through the air. As I said, vectors or no vectors, objects have mass and, if they're moving, force. He can still be hurt by objects that are already in motion.

[nchan]

This anime would have been really great if they didn't waste more than half of each episode talking. I want more advance on story, and more actions. I really hope it gets better on later episodes.

[-Sho-]

Hmmm the teacher talking like Ruby (RVP) its a bad thing ......

[Well for me its a average anime !I think this is a typical anime (i mean , if you watched a lot of anime , you will find many thing similar to other and you will know sometimes what will be happen next , we know for each type anime there are things who are repeated , like the hero who is weaks , a normal human but with a strong moral , a good talks , a brave , a courageous etc .... and with harem etc .... who will make girl fall in love etc ... ) the story is different but the type of the story is not .]

Wow , if Touma will make Misaka fall in love to him , he will be the first guy who will get about 10000 girls lol imagine that ! (it will end up like school days if he only love Index :p
Of course , first if he can beat accelerator !

[Tokkan]

If AT-X's schedule is indeed correct, episode 14 airs in... 14 hours and 6 minutes.

[Utau]

watched the episode earlier and i must say.. Touma can really take a punch :heh:


i have to give credit to good ol Accel too, i lol'd hard when Touma's hand hits his. I mean, what's with him :heh:

[darth]

i cant wait that episode 14 comes.

it must be great.:p