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Negativedark

2009-02-02, 09:56

I think Isley was doing everything for Priscilla's sake, there is no other reasonable explanation for his behaviour:

Or his reasons could be these...

1) He never said his goal was to conquer all the land. Others assumed it, Yagi made us assume it. His goal was to keep his promise: To go south and look for Priscilla's family. (He probably knew it was futile but he did it anyway to make Priscilla happy.)

No his reasons were to go south and counquer all the lands. Isley isn't that nice and alturistic, as the rest of my responses will show.

2) He sacrificed his whole army. (31 ABs including Rigardo)

Isley himself said that he doesn't like herding up. He was just using his army as pawns to slow everyone down. He may have regreted losing Rigardo, but he hardly showed any sorrow over his death.

3) He risked his own life against Luciela who resided in the south. (A manipulative man would make Priscilla fight, he wouldn't risk himself. He might have died.)

This was a neccisary risk for Isley. Remember that the moment Riful met Priscilla, she knew how strong she was. If Isley tried to have Priscilla fight Raephelia, she would have immediatly run off, and then might have formed a truce with Riful, the one thing that could mess his plan up. Isley had to risk it.

4) He implied to Riful that his top priority was to protect Priscilla.

Actually what he said was that no one could kill Priscilla now, not that he didn't want her to get hurt. His top priority was to protect Priss, but it was to ensure his plans, not for her sake.

5) He didn't attack Riful or the org immediately after he killed Luciela. Riful acknowledged that he could do it and kill them all.

AB's are always cocky. Isley wanted Riful to know he could kill her at any time, he probably felt that the Org was no real threat. Also he would have had to convince Priss to attack, witch might have been tricky.
6) He let Raki go with Priscilla just because Raki made Priscilla happy.[/QUOTE]

We don't know why Raki and Priss left him. They may have decided that if he was going to keep eating people, they were leaving.

Isley lost everything, he hit rock bottom in the past seven years. If it wasn't all for Priscilla's sake, he is a prime candidate for Darwin Awards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_awards).

He made a grab for power. Unfourtunatly the tool he was using, Priscilla, had a mind of it's own.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-02, 11:24

Negativedark pretty much explained my view right there. We also don't know if Isley was ever happy to have Raki around. We kind of don't think of loli-Priscilla in the same way as that one horned monster that walked past clare -- the one who it is foolish to move against. Isley knows despite all this cuteness that, that monster is still somewhere inside Priscilla. I'm willing to assume that after thinking about it for a bit he didn't mind having Raki at all. He probably thought, "Go let Priscilla have her pet." I'm willing to go as far as to even say that he learned to like Raki, especially when Raki showed an interest in the sword.

The problem itself is Raki the character; he is too pure of heart to be compatible with Isley. I think he too is fond of Isley and considers himself a friend. But there is a big -- important -- turning point in the story, and that is when Priscilla's animalistic side takes over her and she feeds on a human. Isley is behind Raki as Raki sees Priscilla feeding, probably there to kill Raki if he makes an attempt on Priscilla's life. But there Isley explains to Raki the facts of life, that it is part of their nature to feed on humans. This starts an internal conflict inside of Raki's heart, while he is stunned by the news initially. Now many of us maybe willing to look the other way, but not Raki; he is pure at heart. It doesn't mean that he is going to try and kill his new friends, but at least it means that he decides that he can't continue traveling with them. This is the one thing that probably threw a wrench into Isley's plan. Raki decides to leave, Priscilla is desperately in love with Raki and makes the pledge to never eat humans again. The problem is that unlike Priscilla that Isley is a rational being and can't make such a pledge since Awakened Beings, even Abyssal ones, have to feed on humans in order to survive.

The thing aboout Yagi is that he is a masterful writer, even in a medium where it is harder to tell a story in he is able to give us more than one view on things. The whole Isley is noble thing is one view, but if you really look at his actions, closely, then you notice he is manipulating things. At the very least, he is not being fully honest with Priscilla. In fact, Priscilla is in such a state that it may have been possible for him to live as an elder brother with her in the North, never starting a war. He knows he can't find the girls parents, and if she asks, he could send some ABs to search for them if he wants to. He really doesn't ever even ask any questions, not does he attempt to rationalize with Priscilla once they're on good terms. I am talking about the actions a true friend would take at this point. A true friend does not continue to lie to you, pretend he is doing something for you that he never intends to. I know that their friendship started with the impossible promise, but a true friend wouldn't let the charade go on and at least point out that maybe finding those parents isn't possible. This is why I say: Isley is no friend of Priscilla; that statement was build entirely upon logic. Maybe a better nickname for Isley would've been: The silver tongued Warrior. :D

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-02, 11:35

BTW, I just like to stress the point again that the war between Abyssal never needed to happen. That Priscilla could've lived happily forever with her older brother Isley in the north. If you look at Priscilla, the character, what she really desires is a family. She wants here mama and papa and brother. Isley could've easily taken the role of brother and that would've sufficed. In fact, once she gets a brotherly figure, Priscilla, while still having the mind of a child, immediately seems to stabilize and seems to forget her request. She never seems to bring mama and papa up to Isley again. One of the interesting thing about Claymore is that there are a lot of elements from Psychology in play in the story. It's too bad for Isley that a girl tends to pick her love interest over her big brother. :heh:

PureYoki

2009-02-02, 11:46

Isley himself said that he doesn't like herding up. He was just using his army as pawns to slow everyone down. He may have regreted losing Rigardo, but he hardly showed any sorrow over his death.

If Isley doesn't like herding up, he doesn't want to be a king because the point of becoming the king is that people herd up around you, and you command them. :D

This was a neccisary risk for Isley. Remember that the moment Riful met Priscilla, she knew how strong she was. If Isley tried to have Priscilla fight Raephelia, she would have immediatly run off, and then might have formed a truce with Riful, the one thing that could mess his plan up. Isley had to risk it.

I disagree, Riful didn't know how strong Priscilla was. Only after Isley implied that only the combined power of Luciela and Riful might defeat Priscilla, she understood the threat. Isley or Rigardo didn't realize Priscilla's power before they witnessed it, why would Luciela?

And if Luciela somehow managed to run away from Priscilla, Isley could interfere, and he and Priscilla could kill Luciela together. Luciela couldn't avoid them both.

By the way, would he take the same risk against Riful and Alicia? Had he never heard the concept "Risk Management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_management)"? :D

AB's are always cocky. Isley wanted Riful to know he could kill her at any time, he probably felt that the Org was no real threat. Also he would have had to convince Priss to attack, witch might have been tricky.

If he had the intention to kill Riful but didn't do it, it's another minus for Isley. It's simple: The more you wait, the more your opponents have time to figure out something to stop you.

And if he had problems convincing Priscilla to attack somebody, why in earth did he make a plan based on Priscilla? This argument itself supports that Isley couldn't conquer the land with Priscilla and thus did everything for some other reason.

We don't know why Raki and Priss left him. They may have decided that if he was going to keep eating people, they were leaving.

Isley could simply take care of Raki. See this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2193891&postcount=1011).

The way I see it, either Isley had made a totally infeasible plan (which makes him a fool) or Isley did everything for Priscilla (which makes him an admirer of Priscilla). Isley was my favourite character, so sorry, I refuse to acknowledge him as a fool. :D

PureYoki

2009-02-02, 12:09

I know that their friendship started with the impossible promise, but a true friend wouldn't let the charade go on and at least point out that maybe finding those parents isn't possible. This is why I say: Isley is no friend of Priscilla; that statement was build entirely upon logic. Maybe a better nickname for Isley would've been: The silver tongued Warrior. :D

Yes, Isley made an impossible promise and tried to fulfil it by all means. If one of your best friends come to you and say "My parents are missing, nobody has seen them for 2 months, help me search them", would you tell him that his parents are probably dead even if you think so? You sometimes say what your friends need to hear, especially to your girlfriends. :D

It's too bad for Isley that a girl tends to pick her love interest over her big brother. :heh:

This is not unexpected. :D :heh:

dunames

2009-02-02, 12:58

Ryuken

2009-02-02, 13:07

Negativedark

2009-02-02, 13:35

Before i go into this, I want to make one thing clear. To me it seemed as though Isley's plan hinged on Priscilla. Not necisarilly using Priscilla, but threat of Priscilla.

If Isley doesn't like herding up, he doesn't want to be a king because the point of becoming the king is that people herd up around you, and you command them. :D

He doesn't want others to rule other. He wants the nice warm lands of the south, and a bigger food supply.

I disagree, Riful didn't know how strong Priscilla was. Only after Isley implied that only the combined power of Luciela and Riful might defeat Priscilla, she understood the threat. Isley or Rigardo didn't realize Priscilla's power before they witnessed it, why would Luciela?

Looking at the Manga, we have a two page spread of Riful and Dauf looking at Isley and Priss. Next page is a full page close up on Priss's face. Next page is a close up on Riful with a stunned expression, and saying "Isley, you..." It's a bit ambigous, but I belive that Riful was able to tell that something was up. Isley may have had to fill in some blanks, but she definitly knew he wasn't bulffing.

And if Luciela somehow managed to run away from Priscilla, Isley could interfere, and he and Priscilla could kill Luciela together. Luciela couldn't avoid them both.

The problem is that it hinges on Prisscilla. If you look, you can see that Isley never actually has Priss attack. It could be because he doesn't want her to get hurt, but there isn't much that can hurt her. The problem is that Priss is unstable. He can't be sure what will happen if she fights. Remember what happened when he fought her. Isley did have a chance to kill Prisscilla while she was crying. If she does that against Riful, or just refuses to chase Raphelea, then Isley has a problem. On the other hand if someone is trying to hurt her friend Isley... Remember her asking Renee if she was bullying Raki? And Raki's reaction to it?

By the way, would he take the same risk against Riful and Alicia? Had he never heard the concept "Risk Management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_management)"? :D

I think that Isley's plan was to use Priss like the nucular arsenal's in the cold war were. As in not at all. She was a threat, a deterent. As long as he had her, no one could go against him without bieng annilated. At least that was the plan.

If he had the intention to kill Riful but didn't do it, it's another minus for Isley. It's simple: The more you wait, the more your opponents have time to figure out something to stop you.

And if he had problems convincing Priscilla to attack somebody, why in earth did he make a plan based on Priscilla? This argument itself supports that Isley couldn't conquer the land with Priscilla and thus did everything for some other reason.

Again, the plan wasn't to use Priscilla, but to use the threat of Prisscilla. Only Isley knew that Priss was unstable. All anyone else knew was that Isley was aligned with something even more powerful than an Abyssal. He didn't have to actually use Priss as long as everyone was afraid he could.

Isley could simply take care of Raki. See this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2193891&postcount=1011).

Not if Priss happens to be nearby. And almost from the moment they met Priss has been glued to Raki's side. Isley may have made a mistake, and not realized just how that could go wrong until to late.

The way I see it, either Isley had made a totally infeasible plan (which makes him a fool) or Isley did everything for Priscilla (which makes him an admirer of Priscilla). Isley was my favourite character, so sorry, I refuse to acknowledge him as a fool. :D

He had a pretty good plan. He could just use the threat of Prisscilla to keep everyone else in check. Perhaps with time he could strengthen his bond with Priss and then use her to attack his enemies. Due to her isntability he didn't want to use her if he didn't have to. Remember, only Isley knew what Priss's mental state was like. But then he ended up taking in Raki, and Priss liked hime better.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-02, 14:02

Something like that happening is not likely, although the idea was nice.:)

Dunno I see that likely as well with Priscilla. She only became stable because she had a surrogate brother in Isley. Take away the thing she loves the most, and she is bound to lose it. We've seen the irrational placing of blame on people who couldn't have done it twice in the story. One time Priscilla blaming Teresa for killing mama and papa, another time Ophelia does the same thing to Clare. Since Priscilla has placed the blame on someone before, why wouldn't she again, when she loses her sanity a second time?

@Pureyoki:

Honestly, I've only recently came to my opinions of Isley. At one time, I was like you and saw some Nobility in his actions. Then there came a point when I wanted to say on here that all Abyssals seem to have a bit of Nobility in them, thinking about how Riful was true to her word, and thinking about Isley at that time too. But that caused me to go back and reread some of the manga for support, and In my opinion, I saw what really was going on. I had even bought into that argument some of y'all were making that Isley could've conquered the Isley before, or at least think he could've. But Isley is being very manipulative with Priscilla. He only bent down on one knee as the noble knight to save his neck. The whole fiasco he started has absolutely no benefit for Priscilla whatsoever. Everything seemingly noble he does is for his benefit alone if he wants to conquer the Island. He even backstabs his comrade, which makes him a backstabber, and makes him less honorable, since there is something about a general betraying his men that makes it more severe in context. I tried to see one thing he does that doesn't potentially benefit himself and haven't found it. On the other hand, making it seem like you are doing something for someone else, when you are really doing it for yourself, goes along with the concept of a smooth operator. So yes, ;) Isley deserves to be painted like the Pimp he has been.

I think what we are forgetting is that there is something sinister about the Awakened mind. For one thing, the Awakened mind, from what I've seen so far, is very self-centered. There is only one exception and that is Priscilla -- more about that in a bit. But Awakened Beings are self centered creatuers that have some human qualities. I truly believe that Riful for one wants friends, if they strong enough but weaker than her, and that she loves her man, Duff. But she is still a self centered being that lacks some human values, and she is willing to sacrifice anything for her benefit including Duff. Yet, she has a sense of honor, keeping her promise to Clare when she didn't need to, and being upset when Clare didn't keep hers. Anyway, I think you are trying to make Isley too noble and too human, when he is an Awakened Being like the rest of them. He has lost his human mind and has an Awakened mind. There are only two characters in the story that seem to have found their human minds after becoming Awakened Beings. One is Priscilla, who has reverted back into the mind of a human child. She loves Raki so much that she is willing to sacrifice herself for him. The other was Ophelia, who ironically enough already had lost what made her human when she was a claymore, and had an awakened like mind; she on the other hand regained her humanity once she realized what she had become, and decided that she did not wont to live being the thing she hated. :) Heh, in both cases a bit of insanity was involved in bringing back the human side. But for the probably all other awakened beings, they don't think like a human, and that would include Isley. Self sacrificing yourself for the sake of another seems to be one of those pesky human qualities that they lose. At least that is my analysis on the matter. If I have missed something about Isley where he does something that can't be interpreted as self serving, be free to point it out. I've already changed my opinion about him once.

I try to judge these characters by their actions. I admit I am a bit Riful bias, and I begrudgingly have to admit that Isley is more likely stronger than her due to what Helen has said; though, riful was hiding her true power at the time. But so far, in my eyes, Riful has proven herself to be honest and honorable; I don't think she lies. Isley on the other hand has proven that he can lie, at least to Priscilla, and that he is willing to backstab the men that are under him. So when Riful gave that warning to Clare about him, I believe it and see it as further support about his character. There are a lot of reasons for me not to see Isley as the honorable character that some of you guys think he is.

Edit:

Sorry, I forgot one point I was going to make:

There is another way to explain why Isley didn't take over the Island. First off, who says he can? We already know that the org -- as suspected by some of us -- has a failsafe when the Awakened seem to go out of control, and that is our ZACS. They surely could've been around even then, not that Isley knew it.

As for why Isley himself didn't take over the Island, and this is just speculation based on some logic. Well he could have felt content, and didn't see the org as a threat, overestimating his power. In that case, at least in his mind, he already felt like he ruled the Island, and the org and their Claymoers were nothing but pesky flies to him. Then came Riful, someone who he may not have been too sure of being able defeat. So then there were two Abyssal whose, like Riful said, territories didn't overlap, so he was willing to begrudgingly put up with her. Then a third Abyssal came, someone who he may feel like he is able to defeat, but knows that Riful would get him if he does. So there you have it: logical reasoning of why Isley didn't take over the Isle.

PureYoki

2009-02-02, 14:05

@ Negativedark:
So you basically say Isley was bluffing because "The problem is that Priss is unstable. He can't be sure what will happen if she fights." And if all Isley wants is the nice warm lands of the south and a bigger food supply, I completely misread his intentions, I thought the plan was to eliminate all threats and rule the land because otherwise your opponents would kill you.

Anyway, I don't have anything else to say other than repeating myself. His current condition shows that he failed terribly and I believe it was an obvious conclusion of relying on someone like Priscilla who is very unstable and unreliable.

MisterJB

2009-02-02, 14:18

Gangsta: I think you are seeing things the wrong way. Isley is my second favorite AB so I guess I'm a little biased too and I agree with Pureyoki pn most of what he has been saying.
I don't see Isley as some noble knight but even serial killers can have someone they truly care about.

I saw your point and I agree with it.

Priscilla was on her human form and crying while Isley was still on Abyssal Form. He could have killed her but I think he saw a chance there. Or he simply felt sorry for her, I'm not sure.
Still, if he was really intending to destroy the abyssals, I think it would have been much smarter to take out Riful instead of Luciela. He only went South because of Priscilla.
I mean, we have yet to see the figthing abilities of the ZCS but at that time, there wasn't anyone who could kill Isley so it would have been much smarter to kill her and remove the only threat to his life.

In my opinion, Riful is more evil than him. Yes, he sent his army to destroy Pieta but that town wasn't defenseless and he didn't start the war, the Organization did by sending Eva's team to the North.
Riful is more evil because she tortured claymores to death and in my opinion, torturing is worst than killing.

And I'm preety sure that Raki would have told him on these seven years that he was intending to leave him to find someone (Clare) and it was visible that Priscilla was going with him. Isley is smarter than this, if he didn't want Priscilla to leave then he could have tought of a plan to prevent it. He surely much smarter than Raki.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-02, 14:39

If Isley wanted to conquer the whole Continent, couldn't he had done it when he Awakened? Who could have stopped him? The Dragons?

You probably responded while I was editing my message above to explain why Isley didn't conquer the Isle. I give a good explanation to that there, I think.

Priscilla was on her human form and crying while Isley was still on Abyssal Form. He could have killed her but I think he saw a chance there. Or he simply felt sorry for her, I'm not sure. Still, if he was really intending to destroy the abyssals, I think it would have been much smarter to take out Riful instead of Luciela. He only went South because of Priscilla.
I mean, we have yet to see the figthing abilities of the ZCS but at that time, there wasn't anyone who could kill Isley so it would have been much smarter to kill her and remove the only threat to his life.

I don't quite buy into that speculation that Isley could've killed Priscilla there when she reverted to her human form. Priscilla is after all roughly twice as strong as Isley. Also, why did he go South because of Priscilla for? What is south, except for where Priscilla grew up at? The org seems to be too smart not to have a failsafe to me too. They've been fighting DoD, and while it was a loosing battle, who says that they didn't have a weapon that brought a DoD down besides the awakened beings?

In my opinion, Riful is more evil than him. Yes, he sent his army to destroy Pieta but that town wasn't defenseless and he didn't start the war, the Organization did by sending Eva's team to the North.
Riful is more evil because she tortured claymores to death and in my opinion, torturing is worst than killing.

Awakened beings are neither good or evil in my viewpoint, just self centered. As for Isley being any better than Riful, he caused genocide in the North, and is probably going to human towns right now to feed on them to help him regenerate enough in order to survive against the ZACS. What about the town that Raki was taken too? What about all the other towns in the North? They're all gone, Pieta was just the orgs final stand. And there have always been Claymores in the north; I don't get the org started the war bit. Do we see the org attacking first?

And I'm preety sure that Raki would have told him on these seven years that he was intending to leave him to find someone (Clare) and it was visible that Priscilla was going with him. Isley is smarter than this, if he didn't want Priscilla to leave then he could have tought of a plan to prevent it. He surely much smarter than Raki.

How do you stop someone from carrying out, "I don't like the things that you do. I can't live with you anymore," without resorting to force?

PureYoki

2009-02-02, 15:02

@ Gangsta Spanksta:

I agree with you on the fact that Isley is NOT noble in the sense that he sent all his men to their death as cannon fodder. He seems to be keeping his promises because he didn't do or say something contrary to his promises. Riful seems to be trustworthy, she also keeps her promises but IMO she may sacrifice her men the same way Isley did if necessary. If this is the case, they are more or less the same.

So everything depends on Isley's opinion about Priscilla. If, according to Isley, Priscilla was a reliable asset which could win him the war, we can say Isley tried to use Priscilla to conquer the island.

But if Priscilla was just an unreliable little girl whom Isley liked/admired/had pity (whatever you say), it means Isley befriended her and put his life on stake (against Luciela) to keep his promise.

We didn't know what Isley was thinking until the time skip but after Riful said Isley had stayed silent for all these years and when we learned Isley let Priscilla go with Raki, I was inclined to think he wasn't trying to conquer the land after all. Securing the south for Priscilla by killing Luciela earned Isley enemies, and now he is paying the price for it.

MisterJB

2009-02-02, 15:04

Isley gathered an army to conquer the South, it had to be because of Priscilla because if he wanted the South all along he could had gone there when he Awakened.

I don't think the Org had any secret weapon weapon at that time because we know that they had two times when they were near total destruction. One was Luciela's Awakening and I would suposse that Isley's Awakening was the first. If they were near total destruction they should have used the secret weapon to destroy Isley, Rigardo and Dauph but they did not do it.

The Org attacked first because Isley was gathering an army but they did not know what for. They got a request and sent Eva's team to the North so they opened hostilities. It would have been smarter to see what he was going to do gather their forces on the East. At the best, Isley would have destroyed another AByssal and at the worst, they had better chances to defend themselves on their fortess on the East with Alicia, Galatea, Raphaela...

We don't know if Raki despises Isley. After all, he said Priscilla was the daugther of a friend

You made a very good point about why Isley didn't conquer eveyrthing when he Awakened

Also, if AB aren't evil then they are sadistics. See that six armed male who played with Miria, Clare, Helen and Deneve

blurredvision

2009-02-02, 15:09

Sorry for jumping into conversation but I still don't get why people are viewing Isley as the least powerful AO who can't act w/o Priss.

Below is just speculation as I've found the theories concerning Isley is inconsistant.

Regarding to take the risk of %95 success in killing Raki, he would use it wisely and wouldn't afraid to lose his life otherwise that guy shouldn't be top in his age and so on. Instead many of you would take that chance. Consider a game where you win 1.000.000.000 (being a king of an whole island) or die ?
Your winning chance is 95 and losing your life is 5 percent. I would definitely would risk my life and I can't claim that I have much c
There is a difference in culture between Western & Eastern countries where in west the strong usually acts strong/god(taunts,megalomania,showoff) while in the east strong ones usually are the quiet ones who acts only when there is a need/gain with only required amount of strength.(Such as Teresa, Isley, Riful)

Isley was the strongest in male generation and on of the three strongest AB on the island. Did he get 1st place and maintain it by his afraid to act policy ? Also he had the best sidekick, Rigaldo.

Isley should have moved long ago if he is such a good manipulator as many claims ? There were 3 AOs thus he should act long long ago if he had any desire to conquer the island, or he could move to west after a few months to chase Riful with his new ally. However he just sit in the south. It could be that Isley main target wasn't conquer the island but the org.

While fighting with Luciela Isley was attacking fair & square instead of using any tricks like Luciela. I don't claim that he has a good character but he is so sure that he can win against Luciela w/o any trick and w/o any help. And agree with another member that he was trying to keep Priss unharmed concerning her unstable form.

Think about Miria & Clare. Miria is babysitting Clare because Clare is the only one who can realize Miria's goals. Miria even waited and trained for 7 years in North until Clare finally feels ready to move on. (actually Clare decided to proceed after finding Raki's track however Miria could have asked them to join her in her quest long ago. Instead Miria waited Claire to become stronger and tested her before approving her leave which could be happened many times in the previous years)

Isley probably is waiting for Priss to gain stability in order to make his new move and trying to protect her from any danger due to his future plans. In that case Raki could be a good tool.

And please don't claim that he was on a run and hiding in a town even though he was radiating enourmous amounts of yoki. Furthermore, if he wanted to feed he could transform and could kill many people to refresh his powers and then could move to another town to hide. Thus claiming he is on a run or using humans as a shield is also incorrect as ZACS probably wouldn't care human life. But using humans as radar (when they see ZACS they would shout & run ) is making more sense though.

Please don't wait me to reply every message as I'm working most of the day/week and doesn't have time to even check the forums every time, but I 'll reply if I can, and excuse me if I've repeated already discussed things w/o offering a new idea.

irvinethearcher

2009-02-02, 16:28

I hope that the spoiler is not true because i can't believe that helen who landed several direct hits on isley will be wounded that badly from only one zomby claymore:twitch:

Icephere

2009-02-02, 16:41

I think the scans are out...I will need to verify it myself when I'm back home.

irvinethearcher

2009-02-02, 17:40

I think it was a big mistakt from helen to release her yoki because if those zombie claymores can't see and can only sense yoki helen alone should be able to defeat all of them if she is cloaked and even if she needs 3 days constant attacking them until the last one of them is gone.
Somehow i believe isley is not alone and is only the bait to lure the zombies in.
In a way it would make sense because of his outburst of yoki he seamed to imitate a yoki beacon.
But if i'm right about this who are isley's friends? Cloaked claymores? AB's?

Double_friedman

2009-02-02, 17:45

i dont think killing Raki is an option. consider wha we seen from Presy, killing Raki would have beign teh biggest risk out of them all. IMO, Easley would have a higher chance at surviving an all out battle 1vs against both Alicia and Rifus then killing off Raki.

Easley: Hey Presy Raki si gone
they look aroudn for a bit.
Easley: Presy found him, look like he fell off teh tree and broke his neck
Presy break down and gone emo

5sec later...
Presy: u killed mama, u killed papa, u kill brother
........ u killed Raki
Easley bone snack and head went flying.

Presys not stable and when she went emo, she tend to blame everythign on who in front of her.

Well, I actually think the opposite, Alicia by herself could defeat Isley. She's certainly more powerful than Luciella (and Luciella almost won, leaving an injured Isley who was unable to pursue her), because the first one completed the soul link process, and have trained for several years, even when she was 50% of power made Riful feel kind of threatened (she referred her as a THING, and then fled). Also by the stats we can see she has more yoki than Rafaella (who was supposed to be an equal of Luciella).

In the other hand, Luciella did not complete the soul link process, and, according to Riful's theory, she did not gain more power because she completely awakened. In Alicia's case, she's a partial awakened and seven years ago she was an AO, that means seven years ago she was, let's say, as strong as Luciella. But Alicia has had seven years for intensive training, and we all know what a partial awakened can do in seven years.

So, Isley by himself defeating Riful and Alicia together would be very unlikely.:cool:

Newhope

2009-02-02, 17:50

I think the scans are out...I will need to verify it myself when I'm back home.

I've seen the chapter so I'd expect it out in the next few hours.

Newhope

2009-02-02, 17:55

Here's a picture to wet your appetite:P

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2025/a9b63fd862963b2a32fa1cely3.jpg

Kraga

2009-02-02, 18:01

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo314/Kragaphotobucket/claymore_scene088_019_cht_rp.jpg

Korinov

2009-02-02, 18:26

Thx for the pics guys. My my, looks like the zombie girls have quite a regenerative skill. And Isley got serious.

Negativedark

2009-02-02, 18:27

Why does no one aim for the HEAD!?

irvinethearcher

2009-02-02, 18:28

Good question! If the head is down it should be over.

Newhope

2009-02-02, 18:31

Because you don't know where AB weak points are.

irvinethearcher

2009-02-02, 18:37

The weakpoint was allways the head as far as i remember, even teresa's. Even if not - when they're slahed into pieces often enough and go out of yoki they die. This would be a job for queen of blades mode ;)
Okay, an exception seems to be riful.
Somehow i have the feeling that isley will survive.

Negativedark

2009-02-02, 18:46

Because you don't know where AB weak points are.

Head's still a good place to start. The brain, and most of the sense organs are located in the head. It's possible for some opponents to move them around like Agatha, but not everyone.

dunames

2009-02-02, 20:30

Well, I actually think the opposite, Alicia by herself could defeat Isley. She's certainly more powerful than Luciella (and Luciella almost won, leaving an injured Isley who was unable to pursue her), because the first one completed the soul link process, and have trained for several years, even when she was 50% of power made Riful feel kind of threatened (she referred her as a THING, and then fled). Also by the stats we can see she has more yoki than Rafaella (who was supposed to be an equal of Luciella).

In the other hand, Luciella did not complete the soul link process, and, according to Riful's theory, she did not gain more power because she completely awakened. In Alicia's case, she's a partial awakened and seven years ago she was an AO, that means seven years ago she was, let's say, as strong as Luciella. But Alicia has had seven years for intensive training, and we all know what a partial awakened can do in seven years.

So, Isley by himself defeating Riful and Alicia together would be very unlikely.:cool:

i'm not saying that he can win a fight against both Rifus and Alicia. i'm just making a comparison saying he would have a much higher chance fo surving a fight against both Alicia and Rifus then kill Raki consider how much Presy love Raki and how fetal Presy moodswings are.

As for his chances of winnign the fight, that would have to depend on how strong Rifus really is and how much of a burden Alicia is. Remember is said Alicia and Rifus, not Alicia+Beth and Rifus. unless Alicia and go awaken form solo she gonna have to stay in her claymore form. as for the stats book saying Alicia has more yoki then Rapheal well that all on paper and is from the ORG PoV. also keep in mind that havng tons of yoki is nice and all but knowing how to use it is another thing. theres no point in having tons of nukes if u dont have the password to arm it and launch it.

i'm sure Easley or Rifus can solo Alicia easily without breaking a sweat and in a 2v2 Easily+Rifus will totally slaughter Alicia+Beth that is if Rifus and Easley dont accedentally try to kill eachother.

hell88

2009-02-02, 20:36

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo314/Kragaphotobucket/claymore_scene088_019_cht_rp.jpg

This is how they strip.:heh:

iLney

2009-02-02, 20:56

Link plz !!!!!!!!!!

iLney

2009-02-02, 21:15

Ho ho I finally found the torrent link. If any1 wants it, pm me:D

PS: nvm there is no seed..... and 100 leechers!

Stream

2009-02-02, 21:43

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4601/a9b63fd862963b2a32fa1ceaw9.jpg*taunts*

Methuselah

2009-02-02, 21:50

SO HOT!!!! This is better than Echhi. XD

Vinak

2009-02-02, 22:16

the zombies are simply being misunderstood.
I think they just want to be close to Isley. But he keeps pushing them away!
Isley is so mean.

chibamonster

2009-02-02, 22:25

Wow. Isley's got some fighting to do it seems.
They really are Zombie Claymore Strippers.

iLney

2009-02-02, 22:28

See. Who says offense > defense, those strippers can just regen until Isley an offensive AO runs out of gas :D

Awakened

2009-02-02, 22:34

See. Who says offense > defense, those strippers can just regen until Isley an offensive AO runs out of gas :D

I don't think they are immortal, there must be a way to kill them.

iLney

2009-02-02, 22:42

Methuselah

2009-02-02, 23:17

Don't worry, Isley still has plenty of juice left. Man that sounds wrong yet serious.. ==

Ancient Soul

2009-02-02, 23:19

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo314/Kragaphotobucket/claymore_scene088_019_cht_rp.jpg

Isley only has three legs in this picture!No wonder he was in pain!
There are any other pictures with Isley (to confirm this)?

...what if Isley escape and ZG decide to follow Helen & Deneve back to Rabona
instead rather than Isley?...

Negativedark

2009-02-02, 23:26

Apparently, or else the Org doesn't need to dispatch 11 of them to fight just one Isley; they should've sent only 1 instead. And Isley is not stupid, he can outrun them with ease so he must have something under his sleeve when choosing to stall in a town.

My prediction: he gathers people to eat while fighting, and since those zombies can't eat, they will eventually run out of gas first. Cruel, yet effective.

I don't think that just one of them would do it. We don't know exactly what the ZCS have for offense. If it were just one, Isley could focus his attention, and probably just shred them too badly to regenerate. Or pin the limbs to the ground and just leave it there.

Jonova

2009-02-02, 23:41

poor Helen

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/zomg.jpg

zato_1one

2009-02-02, 23:53

We have to beg for mercy from Chinese Scanlation group...

Good question! If the head is down it should be over.

Not necessary true, just look at Agatha.

Jonova

2009-02-03, 00:10

So I have finally gotten my hands on this month's issue thanks to Gene <3.

The spoiler eariler sums up the scene pretty good, a few points key it missed:

1. The demons can only sense objects moving at rapid speeds, if you stay still they will have a hard time locate you.
2. They are indeed made by the org using the remaining of the 11ABs Isley sent east 7 years ago.
3. They can pretty much reshape their body as much as they want as long as their brain/head is not damaged. They can even grow a blade out of their face to attack enemies at rapid speed.
4. Helen fall for the "face blade" trick and lost her right arm + left eye, she was able to attach the arm back but the eye seems to be unrecoverable.
5. The demons are after Isley's fresh, after tearing one of his arm apart, they ripped the wires on their mount open and feasted on it.

Newhope

2009-02-03, 00:23

Looks like I was right after all it didn't really make sense DND been there.

As I said on another forum those zombies really remind me of the creature from the film the thing:P

Tevourious

2009-02-03, 00:55

Squuueeee!!!!

Vinak

2009-02-03, 00:56

pay back is a bitch aint it Isley?

Tevourious

2009-02-03, 01:02

Can someone kindly IM me some candy :)

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 01:19

:upset: I was afraid that Helen would lose that eye. Geez, I've been upset since that spoiler first came out.

Vinak

2009-02-03, 01:25

could use link to raws as well plz :p
------------

With these recent developments, Clare needs to do humanity a favor and not let her existence known to the organization. she is after all, one of those freak experiments the organization has done in the past decade. At least she is the only one that seems to have worked without too many side effects.

She seems to be highly resistant to awakening and for the most part obedient with proper motivation. When she releases youki, her fighting ability goes through the roof. any future development has yet to be seen. (like the possibility to fully awaken without turning genocidal)

The Organization will start killing off their top claymores and have their remains implanted into other humans. it will cost two human lives just for one claymore warrior in the future.

Double_friedman

2009-02-03, 01:45

i'm not saying that he can win a fight against both Rifus and Alicia. i'm just making a comparison saying he would have a much higher chance fo surving a fight against both Alicia and Rifus then kill Raki consider how much Presy love Raki and how fetal Presy moodswings are.

As for his chances of winnign the fight, that would have to depend on how strong Rifus really is and how much of a burden Alicia is. Remember is said Alicia and Rifus, not Alicia+Beth and Rifus. unless Alicia and go awaken form solo she gonna have to stay in her claymore form. as for the stats book saying Alicia has more yoki then Rapheal well that all on paper and is from the ORG PoV. also keep in mind that havng tons of yoki is nice and all but knowing how to use it is another thing. theres no point in having tons of nukes if u dont have the password to arm it and launch it.

i'm sure Easley or Rifus can solo Alicia easily without breaking a sweat and in a 2v2 Easily+Rifus will totally slaughter Alicia+Beth that is if Rifus and Easley dont accedentally try to kill eachother.

Looking from that view (Raki being defended by Priscilla), it is possible.

About Alicia, well, Alicia fights by herself and Beth only controls her yoki. And yes, Isley and Riful (two AOnes) vs. Alicia and Beth (1 AO and a claymore who has to stay still and calm), that's a battle of two vs. one, the outcome is very obvious even if Alicia can solo Isley and Riful in a one vs. one battle.

ANd I'm dying to see the new chapter.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 01:49

:) I guess I respond to some of these, before the 88 thread comes up

@blurredvision:

Who called Isley the least powerful of the AOs? 'Twasn't me; that's for sure. In fact, I begrudgingly admitted to something earlier. :D Now some of you scare me; when I was younger, I gladly would've taken a bullet for a friend, but this whole be the king of the world thing where you have 95% chance of failure and death is a crazy gamble. I'm expecting y'all to bust out with Russian Roulette next. And where does that 95% statistic come from, anyway? I am real wary when I hear 99%, 95%, 90% those numbers usually means someone is making up numbers to make a point. What about a 1% chance? :) .05%? Anyway, I think that Awakend Beings usually have a sinister, rational, intelligence, so they would not gamble their lives away like some of you.

@Pureyoki:

I think that Priscilla calmed down enough for Isley to think he could use her. She seems pretty stable now. All she probably needed was someone to be family to her. I think Isley and Priscilla could've lived happily ever after in the north as big brother and little sister. It seems like Priscilla has forgotten about filling her need of family and has forgotten all about finding mama and papa. She certainly doesn't ask Raki to look for her. I do think that Isley thought he could manipulate a naive child.
@MisterJB:

I already described a scenario of why Isley didn't destroy the org.

There is another way to explain why Isley didn't take over the Island. First off, who says he can? We already know that the org -- as suspected by some of us -- has a failsafe when the Awakened seem to go out of control, and that is our ZACS. They surely could've been around even then, not that Isley knew it.

As for why Isley himself didn't take over the Island, and this is just speculation based on some logic. Well he could have felt content, and didn't see the org as a threat, overestimating his power. In that case, at least in his mind, he already felt like he ruled the Island, and the org and their Claymoers were nothing but pesky flies to him. Then came Riful, someone who he may not have been too sure of being able defeat. So then there were two Abyssal whose, like Riful said, territories didn't overlap, so he was willing to begrudgingly put up with her. Then a third Abyssal came, someone who he may feel like he is able to defeat, but knows that Riful would get him if he does. So there you have it: logical reasoning of why Isley didn't take over the Isle.

Ryuken

2009-02-03, 02:13

So it is true, well lets see what those ZCS have to offer us.:)

chibamonster

2009-02-03, 02:55

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 03:07

So ZCS are made from AB flesh huh? I always wondered what would happen if an AB were put into a human. I guess now we know (pending translations). Interesting to note Raciella is both Claymore and AB. I think whatever abilities these creatures have will be foreshadowing some of Raciella's abilities.

The organization has had access to awakened being flesh for as long as the organization has been doing awakened being hunting. Why start implanting it now? The 11 AB's from the north were above average but certainly more powerful AB's have died. Like Ophelia. I'd say it was just because they were so close to the organization, but there has to be another reason for the organization doing it now. ...unless they always knew what would happen when they put awakened flesh in a human...

I'm sure they've tried it long ago. I'm not even sure that the first Claymores were even on the Island. It isn't like the Org has to hide Awakened Beings from the DoD, since they are being currently used in the war. So the org could've had this fail safe, before Isley ever awakened. :) It's not like the org, IMO, to not have some sort of failsafe.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 03:13

woot! just found something neat over at mangahelpers :D

Awakened

2009-02-03, 03:13

I would think that would be one of the early experiments if it's an easy process. If it's complicated then taking longer is understandable.

Making Claymore ----> put yoma head in human
Making ZCS ----> take out brain, implant brain, keep patient alive.

racjona

2009-02-03, 03:13

RAW is out :twitch:
sooo fast this month LOL

Awakened

2009-02-03, 03:17

can i get a link please?

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 03:20

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1927/zacslickom8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

She's licking Isley's what? ... :heh:

Newhope

2009-02-03, 03:21

Really good chapter overall and Dietrich save's the day again:love:.

The more we see her the more she seems to be like Miria, she seemed to know alot about the ZCS and also seems to have experience dealing with them.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 03:24

Claymore's have to have little sisters too. :D

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-02-03, 03:29

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5103/dietrichdw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dietrich is so cool. :p

Cyclone

2009-02-03, 03:32

I'm just amazed the japanese raws actually beat the chinese scans out for once - happy days!

racjona

2009-02-03, 03:34

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1927/zacslickom8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

She's licking Isley's what? ... :heh:

I knew ZACS are perverted :P

Newhope

2009-02-03, 03:39

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5103/dietrichdw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dietrich is so cool. :p

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6322/13965059rm2.jpg

Jumping and stabbing people must be her specialty:D

Ryuken

2009-02-03, 06:27

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6322/13965059rm2.jpg

Jumping and stabbing people must be her specialty:D

Yea! She should really join the ghosts.:)
Sad part is that I'm still waiting for it.:upset: