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Bikerider
2008-12-31, 05:08
Fake Spoilers !!! GIMME Fake Spoilers !!!
no need for fake spoilers the chinese version is out already.
Summary:
There are at least 6 'demons', they look like claymores with their eyes and mouths stiched up and not wearing very much at all. They find Ditrich but ignore her.
Meanwhile Helen is fighting Isley. She's doing alright too - gets a few good hits in. Deneve heals herself and joins her, but the heal lost her cloak. She offers to stay behind while Helen escapes, but Helen drops her cloak too and they ready for a fight, Meanwhile the 'demons' make it to town and the chapter ends.
Helen's Apple
2008-12-31, 06:54
My mistress must never be underestimated! ^_^
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 06:56
Holy Jesus.:twitch:
It's the "Nigth of the Undead" all over again.:upset:
Miria stays in the North for seven years and THIS is what happens
Helen is kicking some ass.:D
I like the idea that she survives but have in mind that Isley was probraly distracted by those things (he was attacked by behind" and he is in human-form. If they are strong enough to do this, why didn0t they killed Riful? Helen said that Isley was stronger than her
(Yes, I'm Isley-fan but I prefer Helen everyday of the week so if I had to chose, go Helen kill him quikly)
I notice that those things have a haircut similar to Isley's and Miria's haircut except one who looks like Flora
So, they could be clones or the Organization have crossed Isley and Miria's genes.
They are probrably failed experiments I think
I wonded if this is the end of the line for Isley or Priscilla will appear to save him
Yagi-san its the best:D
irvinethearcher
2008-12-31, 07:02
I don't think that isley is necessarily stronger than riful because riful likes to mask her yoki.
Helen even thought that riful had to be "saved" from rachel and audrey:heh:
So who is superior will probably stay undecided.
By the way
can anyone pm me the link for the chinese version please :)
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 07:16
that's true but if Helen and a half-dead Deneve could do that to Isley, then Clare, Miria, Helen and a healthy Deneve could kill Riful
I'm not saying I want them to die but it seem a bit odd yhat in 86, Helen's leg failed just because Isley was near them and now she can do him as much damage as Priscilla.
I think this just proves Yagi's point : "Even the migthiest can be killed by a surprise strike"
Agatha was almost killed by humans
We can't really tell yet if the ghosts are strong enough to take on an Abyssal, if the zombies have been after Isley for a while and if they have been hounding him relentlessly what helen faced could just be a shadow of his full power.
Anyone else interested in exactly how those Zombies fight? I mean they don't seem to have any weapons. Their outfits don't leave much place to hide any either (mmm... necrophilia...). The little they do wear seem to be sewed directly onto them too.
Looks like they must use youma style tentacles or something. Perhaps a full AB transformation or something.
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 07:38
Ok people. the raw is out and I have something to ask:
When the heck did Helen and Deneve got that strong. They completely destroyed Isley.
Is it possible that when Miata said that 2 amongst the Gosths were really strong, she was talking about Helen and Deneve?
Also, we have to thank Isley for that cut on Deneve, we will be getting a nice view in future chapters
They could be the next step up from the twins controllable ABs.
Ok people. the raw is out and I have something to ask:
When the heck did Helen and Deneve got that strong. They completely destroyed Isley.
Is it possible that when Miata said that 2 amongst the Gosths were really strong, she was talking about Helen and Deneve?
Also, we have to thank Isley for that cut on Deneve, we will be getting a nice view in future chapters
Nah the 2 strong ghosts are Claire and Miria, Helen and Deneve more or less told us it was those 2 in the last chapter.
Plus in chapter 83 Yuma started to realize just how strong she's become and the other ghosts may not have realized yet just how strong they are yet.
Mandrake
2008-12-31, 07:57
whats the estimated time of arrival of the new chapter? :p I mean, whats it usual schedule of the manga itself
chibamonster
2008-12-31, 08:22
It seems like something is seriously wrong with Isley. Hopefully the translated text will have some more information. It looks like Helen is thinking something, but I don't know what. Sure Helen's Go Go Gadget Giga Drill is powerful, but Isley has a top speed that surpasses Rigardo... I don't think Helen and Deneve are faster than him unless they are somehow faster than Miria's new Phantoms (which are slower than her old ones which barely kept up with Rigardo). Maybe Isley is suffering from a broken heart as both his apprentice and his pet monster left him. Sort of like Beast in Disney's Beauty and the Beast when Gaston confronts him.
I want to know what is going on with Isley. He's in tatters, seems paranoid of warriors without youki, and he's getting injured. Of course, Riful also has had swords stuck through her head and giggled it off, but Isley seems to be in pain here. Deitrich pulled Helen away from an attack by the last AB, and Isley is king of AB's.
Also interesting to note that the demon-zombie-gogo dancers still try to look through their eyes even though they are sewn shut. Weird. They seem to be pretty tall, but then again Deitrich seems to be a bit on the petite side. And this has to be the shortest Claymore chapter ever. I guess with the new year and all someone deserves a vacation, but still.
clarakiss~
2008-12-31, 08:33
there's no way helen and deneve could defeat isley... he's just distracted by those things approaching the town. if he were serious, it would've been over already. u.u
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 08:54
with each passing chapter I like Dietrich more and more. Let's hope she stays until the very end.
Riful let herself be cut by Audrey and Rachel to see if they were strong enough to help her, maybe this is what Isley is doing, he is letting Helen cut him to see if she is strong enough to help him figth against those claymore-symbiote-zombie-ALien-things
Who, altough they mouths are shut, can still droll, that should indicate that they can eat
irvinethearcher
2008-12-31, 08:57
Did no one wonder about the saliva which got out of the mouth of the zombieclaymore?
Perhaps those strange claymores like to eat awakened beings?
Or is it just because of the humans in the town who are the preffered meal.
The latter would explain why many towns were decimated.
But why do they have their mouths and eyes sealed?
Again a great chapter, thank you mister yagi!
Negativedark
2008-12-31, 09:13
Okay, did anyone call Zombie Claymore Strippers for what the demon would be? Anyone? Cause I sure did not. Course this raises a lot of questions too. Anyways the most ironic thing would be if Helen and Deneve do have to team up with Isley.
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 09:51
that's true but if Helen and a half-dead Deneve could do that to Isley, then Clare, Miria, Helen and a healthy Deneve could kill Riful
I'm not saying I want them to die but it seem a bit odd yhat in 86, Helen's leg failed just because Isley was near them and now she can do him as much damage as Priscilla.
I think this just proves Yagi's point : "Even the migthiest can be killed by a surprise strike"
Agatha was almost killed by humans
Isley is in human form; there is no telling how much of a power up he'll have after shifting.
Looks like Helen, Deneve, and Isley are in deep do-do and may have to team up to escape. Those zombies look hungry. Can't believe Isley became that weak unless his fight with Luciella damaged him that much (although that would explain why the AO's used to avoid fighting each other in the past and why Isley suddenly stopped fighting Prissy).
LONEWOLF13
2008-12-31, 10:03
Isley is in human form; there is no telling how much of a power up he'll have after shifting.
Yes your right in truth isley is far more powerful then he is but so long he stays in his human form he doesint stand a change but i think olso that Helen and Deneve
are doing alright at first and then every thing goes wrong just like Galatea in Pieta.
They're Chinese scans, not raw. >_>
People really need to stop calling Chinese scans raws. If there really are JP raws out there I would be very happy. Heck, I'd even try to speedscan it just because we never get JP raws this early.
Soujoricho_clariveL
2008-12-31, 10:15
Claymore is really getting interesting. I don't get tired of waiting this manga because of its twists and turns.
This is really the best manga for me.
I hope they continue the anime.:)
Soujoricho_clariveL
2008-12-31, 10:18
wow, astonishing! Maybe Helen wouldn't be able to hit Isley anymore since she's now uncloacked. :( :(
I think cloaked or uncloaked, both Deneve and Helen with be able to hit Easly. This will be the time when we get to see how strong (strength and yoki wise) they really have become after 7 years of training especially against AOs.:):D
Okay, did anyone call Zombie Claymore Strippers for what the demon would be? Anyone? Cause I sure did not. Course this raises a lot of questions too. Anyways the most ironic thing would be if Helen and Deneve do have to team up with Isley.
LOL Zombie Claymore strippers....
I'm starting to wonder about those zombies, if one of them is Flora what are the chances of seeing Jean again.:eyebrow:
EDIT: @theevilanimal: As far as we know its not up on baidu yet.
Isley is in human form; there is no telling how much of a power up he'll have after shifting.
They were fighting completely suppressed. There is no telling how much of a power up the two of them will have after releasing their youki. Shockingly, Isley actually seems to be in a pretty bad situation.
I'm starting to wonder about those zombies, if one of them is Flora what are the chances of seeing Jean again.:eyebrow:
I can't make much of them, really.
EDIT: @theevilanimal: As far as we know its not up on baidu yet.
It isn't. Someone did post a download link to the TSS scans on baidu, though.
Oh, side note, it appears that Helen used her lengthened arm to perform the Drill Sword on Isley, which gives Helen a ranged Drill Sword attack now.
Aozora no Namida
2008-12-31, 11:19
OMFG. Zombies. Claymore-like zombies.
and Helen is defeating Isley.
....I WANT TO READ THIS CHAPTER SO BADLY! :eyespin:
PureYoki
2008-12-31, 11:37
All my favourite characters are falling apart, first we lost Rafaela and now Isley is in ruins. I'd rather see Isley commit harakiri than be deteriorated physically and mentally. :(
irvinethearcher
2008-12-31, 11:45
Looks like Helen, Deneve, and Isley are in deep do-do and may have to team up to escape. Those zombies look hungry. Can't believe Isley became that weak unless his fight with Luciella damaged him that much (although that would explain why the AO's used to avoid fighting each other in the past and why Isley suddenly stopped fighting Prissy).
That was 7 years ago, there shouldn't be any aftereffects of this fight left.
I don't think that those zombies can beat an AO but who knows. I mean if they are that strong why didn't the org used them before?
They seem to be very tall.
This chapter looks so cool! Helen just moved up a couple of spots on my favourite list.:D Too bad this chapter is only 21 pages this month, but mabye Yagi is planning on making the next chapter longer for next month.:)
I love Yagi, I need the Chinese scan though to love me some Zombies. ;D
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 12:20
Let's think Pieta.
If in Pieta Clare and Miria had fougth against Rigardo with him on his human-form, I think that they would have been able to beat him.
This is probrably the same situation, Helen and Deneve maybe can kill Isley with him on human-from but if he goes Awakened I doubt that they stand a chance
LONEWOLF13
2008-12-31, 12:23
I'm starting to wonder about those zombies, if one of them is Flora what are the chances of seeing Jean again.:eyebrow:
EDIT: @theevilanimal: As far as we know its not up on baidu yet.
:upset: The Rise of the living dead! Claymores i dont want to bear the tought
of seeing an undead Jean or anny undead comrades.
i Think there are more darker forces gathering reminds me of BERSERK.
As far as I know, Helen admitted that she did no damage to Isley at all !
Lulz. If that were not "damage," I don't know what it :uhoh:
irvinethearcher
2008-12-31, 12:28
isley is still an ao. To fight him as someone like helen it is probably as if god old jean luc's enterprise trying to fight a borg cubus.
But if you take Helen as the most "damaging" of the Ghosts, then her attack pretty much indicates what they can do in the best scenario. And she does no harm to Isley....
Wow, Helen is really awesome on this chapter. It seems like something bad happened to Isley, he looks out of shape. And the last spread with the zombie chicks, they look hungry, do they eat humans or something else?
Negativedark
2008-12-31, 13:25
As far as I know, Helen admitted that she did no damage to Isley at all !
Lulz. If that were not "damage," I don't know what it :uhoh:
Most likly what she means is that she'll become exausted and unable to fight, long before he runs out of energy for regeneration.
Mangaloid
2008-12-31, 13:38
Its not that much of a surprise that Helen held her own in her little skirmish with Isley. She had some advantages given the circumstances.
1. Isley wasn't in his awakened form
2. Helen has long ranged atks she can use opposed to other claymores
3. Her yoki was hiden along with the smoke screen of the buildings crumbling and flying everywhere
but since her opponent is Isley unless she could pull off a head shot her atks are all pointless like somebody said she realized
Wow, Helen is really awesome on this chapter. It seems like something bad happened to Isley, he looks out of shape. And the last spread with the zombie chicks, they look hungry, do they eat humans or something else?
I think they only eat Easley.:p
Rough translation from Onemanga:
1:
Dietrich: Demon ... has returned.
2:
Title: Neither Yoma nor awaken being ....The third form: demon
3:
Dietrich: Damn... It had to be now that they returned. At this rate...
4:
Demon1: GRr...GRR..GRR
5.
Demon1: Sniff... sniff.. sniff ... sniff.. Geeee... Geeee
6:
Dietrich: Grrraaa... ah... ah... ah... returned from that place so quickly? Does that mean another town is gonna disappear
7
Villiager1: What... what's goning on .. town is being destoryed. Let's get out of here.
8
9
Isley: aa...
10
Isley: Bastard... Hide the yoki and doing hit and run
11
Isley: You... you littlle
12
Helen: Damn... what the hell is goning on here.
13
Helen: I damaged him to this extent but the one who is gonna die is still going to be me?
14
helen: This guy's body doesn't matter how many time i pierce through or cut off he don't show any sign of going down. Not only that... The more i damage him his weapon strength is getting stronger and stronger. This joke is not getting funny Miria big sis. We are actually fighting something like this? There is not a single chance of victory at all. From the very beginning it's all my fault. It's all because that little curiosity. I am sorry miria big sis.
15
helen: i will have to leave team here.
16
isley: Kee...
17
Helen: Deneve! What the hell you doing? you got a death wish? But but your body?
Deneve: aa.. The damage was a bit extensive so i had to use the over the limit regeneration ability I used before.
18:
Deneve: now i can no longer hide my yoki escape would be impossible. Let me cover your back while you retreat back to the others.
Helen: Ba...Bastard that suppose to be my line. Why didn't you just lay there playing dead? He was already locked onto me and think you dead.
Deneve: Are you a fool i can't lay there playing dead when You getting killed. Use your brain.
Helen: You think i am just gonna left you to him while i escape? You use your damn brain....
19:
helen: ol.... Using yoki after hidding it for 7 years makes me feel like my blood is boiling.l
Deneve: You are a fool...
Helen: You are me are probably what they call an unfavorable destiny together huh.
20
helen/deneve: Well it begins with 2 of us. It ends with just the 2 of us is not bad at all.
So.... Dietrich knew everything huh?
I'm starting to wonder about those zombies, if one of them is Flora what are the chances of seeing Jean again.:eyebrow:
The Zombie Claymore Strippers (ZCS) cannot be any of the dead warriors of the North. The ZCS have been active for a few years now, and Clarice was the first from the organization to find the graves only a short time ago.
...I wonder, to ZCS do bachelor parties? How do you book them?
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 14:37
...I wonder, to ZCS do bachelor parties? How do you book them?
Try to attract them with Isley. It migth work
Thanks for posting the traduction Ilney.
I guess that explains how Helen is standing her ground
Rough translation from Onemanga:
1:
Dietrich: Demon ... has returned.
2:
Title: Neither Yoma nor awaken being ....The third form: demon
3:
Dietrich: Damn... It had to be now that they returned. At this rate...
4:
Demon1: GRr...GRR..GRR
5.
Demon1: Sniff... sniff.. sniff ... sniff.. Geeee... Geeee
6:
Dietrich: Grrraaa... ah... ah... ah... returned from that place so quickly? Does that mean another town is gonna disappear
7
Villiager1: What... what's goning on .. town is being destoryed. Let's get out of here.
8
9
Isley: aa...
10
Isley: Bastard... Hide the yoki and doing hit and run
11
Isley: You... you littlle
12
Helen: Damn... what the hell is goning on here.
13
Helen: I damaged him to this extent but the one who is gonna die is still going to be me?
14
helen: This guy's body doesn't matter how many time i pierce through or cut off he don't show any sign of going down. Not only that... The more i damage him his weapon strength is getting stronger and stronger. This joke is not getting funny Miria big sis. We are actually fighting something like this? There is not a single chance of victory at all. From the very beginning it's all my fault. It's all because that little curiosity. I am sorry miria big sis.
15
helen: i will have to leave team here.
16
isley: Kee...
17
Helen: Deneve! What the hell you doing? you got a death wish? But but your body?
Deneve: aa.. The damage was a bit extensive so i had to use the over the limit regeneration ability I used before.
18:
Deneve: now i can no longer hide my yoki escape would be impossible. Let me cover your back while you retreat back to the others.
Helen: Ba...Bastard that suppose to be my line. Why didn't you just lay there playing dead? He was already locked onto me and think you dead.
Deneve: Are you a fool i can't lay there playing dead when You getting killed. Use your brain.
Helen: You think i am just gonna left you to him while i escape? You use your damn brain....
19:
helen: ol.... Using yoki after hidding it for 7 years makes me feel like my blood is boiling.l
Deneve: You are a fool...
Helen: You are me are probably what they call an unfavorable destiny together huh.
20
helen/deneve: Well it begins with 2 of us. It ends with just the 2 of us is not bad at all.
So.... Dietrich knew everything huh?
Tabitha is probably going to notice Helen and Deneve using they're yoki. Galatea might to, but she probably does not know what they're yoki is like.
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 14:43
Isley really isn't as gentle as he was portrayed to be, back in the pieta arc. He isn't showing any signs of courtoisie to mistresses helen and deneve at all, bastardizing their existence and cutting deneve in half. I hope these ladies force him back his manners.
lol @ all the onomatopoiea: grrr grr ahh ahh gee gee sniff sniff grr xD
You would aslo be annoyed if someones appeared out of nowhere, hits you badly and then hids again.
Happy New Year by the way
...I wonder, to ZCS do bachelor parties? How do you book them?
Hey I know how, you have to call the Claymore hotline, its a 1-900 number not 1-800 so make sure you don't dial the wrong one.
Thats right call 1-900-clay-zcs to book for you own zombie claymore stripper bachelor partie!:D
:heh:
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 14:52
Hey I know how, you have to call the Claymore hotline, its a 1-900 number not 1-800 so make sure you don't dial the wrong one.
Thats right call 1-900-clay-zcs to book for you own zombie claymore stripper bachelor partie!:D
:heh:
It doesn't work are you sure it's the rigth number?
It doesn't work are you sure it's the rigth number?
Mabye its because of what country you live in. So far the the Zombie Claymore Strippers only work in a few countries.:heh:
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 14:56
Mabye its because of what country you live in. So far the the Zombie Claymore Strippers only work in a few countries.:heh:
I will have to wait until claymore is world-wide
Wow... Nice chapter!!
Deneve half awakens again = 3 times half awakening = more powerful .
Helen is damned powerful !
I love this pair of dynamic duo!
And if Dietrich knew about these demons.. does it mean that these zombies are from the org ?
What the fuck are these zombies strippers anyway ? They are gigantic in size and dont even carry weapons!
And if Dietrich knew about these demons.. does it mean that these zombies are from the org ?
Dietrich is probably the one that was assigned from the org to be in that area so it would only be natural that she would know about them being there. Mabye she tried to kill them before and failed. She could have told the org and they might have thought of it as nothing to worry about.
Dietrich is probably the one that was assigned from the org to be in that area so it would only be natural that she would know about them being there. Mabye she tried to kill them before and failed. She could have told the org and they might have thought of it as nothing to worry about.
ok.
But wtf are they and why do they go around destroying towns ?
And why do they salivate when they smell Isley or Helen/ Deneve ?
chibamonster
2008-12-31, 15:18
ok.
But wtf are they and why do they go around destroying towns ?
And why do they salivate when they smell Isley ?
Isley is a dream boat. Luciella salivated as well.
ok.
But wtf are they and why do they go around destroying towns ?
And why do they salivate when they smell Isley ?
I don't know why they are destroying towns but it looks like they are only after Easley. Guess we will find out why in the next chapter, or the one after that.
Isley is a dream boat. Luciella salivated as well.
hahaha hahaha
I don't know why they are destroying towns but it looks like they are only after Easley. Guess we will find out why in the next chapter, or the one after that.
yeah..fun
And looking back at the scans again, I see that Dietrich held her breath until they left, this made me ponder whether do these demons attack whatever person who breathe ....
They are really zombies strippers hahaha!
yeah..fun
And looking back at the scans again, I see that Dietrich held her breath until they left, this made me ponder whether do these demons attack whatever person who breathe ....
Now that I think about it they might have left her because she was holding her breath, thinking that she was a zombie to. Or mabye she was just really afraid at the time.
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 15:26
Isley is going to have a sweet death scene with all those naked zombies on top of him bitting his head
Isley is going to have a sweet death scene with all those naked zombies on top of him bitting his head
I am looking forward to it ..... but it is a pity there isnt much awakened male left ..
Oh there is still the dumb duff.. :D
I am looking forward to it ..... but it is a pity there isnt much awakened male left ..
Oh there is still the dumb duff.. :D
Yeah but I have a feeling he won't live much longer either. He will go another round with Clare and she will kill him this time. Or his stupidity will somehow save him again like always.:heh:
Yeah but I have a feeling he won't live much longer either. He will go another round with Clare and she will kill him this time. Or his stupidity will somehow save him again like always.:heh:
His girlfriend will save his ass.. .. as always
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 15:36
I am looking forward to it ..... but it is a pity there isnt much awakened male left ..
Oh there is still the dumb duff.. :D
It's centainly a better a death than to be cut in half by a lion
Dauff...who cares about the guy him, anyway?
I hope Clare kills him, that would lead to an interesting change in Riful's personality
His girlfriend will save his ass.. .. as always
Or will she? I have the feeling she is more interested in Raphaela and Lucielia than Dauf. I bet Clare will save Raphaela to somehow.
It's centainly a better a death than to be cut in half by a lion
Dauff...who cares about the guy him, anyway?
I hope Clare kills him, that would lead to an interesting change in Riful's personality
hahaha .. wicked
Or will she? I have the feeling she is more interested in Raphaela and Lucielia than Dauf. I bet Clare will save Raphaela to somehow.
Perhaps you are a Raphaela fan ..
but i really want to see Raphaela and Lucielia combined awakened form.. :p
Awakened
2008-12-31, 15:50
Demons:
I think the demons are created by the Org.
The Org have been experimenting for 7 years since Pieta. The demons are the backup plan if they are not able to create a controllable Ab.
We were first introduced to the Org latest experiment when we saw Miata. Moving though the forest with no eye and no yoki will require a six sense. We saw one of the demons sniffing Dietrich. This tells us that they use smell to interact with their surroundings.
The demons are similar to Miata in many ways.
1) They have a six sense
2) They depend on a leader to accomplish a given task.
The first demon that we saw in chap. 86 was the leader of the demons.
You can say that they are a combination of human and animal. We have yomas and Dods, adding one more supernatural creature will not be a stretch. Maybe a Dod’s pet. Miata has yoki, so she might be a combination of yoma, animal and humans. Clarice might also be just like Miata, but is more human than Miata.
The stitches on the demons are there to keep them in control. They only eat when they are told too and are blinded to keep them from doing their own things. At first I thought that they do not eat, but at the end of the chapter one of them was salivating.
Helen:
Helen was great; she attacked Isley from the front, and then used stealth to get behind him.
Isley:
It looks like Isley was in pain. This does not make much sense, because Isley can just heal himself. Then I thought he could be infected with some disease. If the demons are part animals, they could have rabies or something like that. Isley have to constantly use yoki to keep the disease form taking over his body.
Perhaps you are a Raphaela fan ..
Yes I am.:)
Besides Rubal askes Clare if she can save Raphaela, so we will just have to wait and see what happens with that.
Goofus Maximus
2008-12-31, 16:02
Why are all the "demons" so skimpily underdressed, though?
In this chapter we even get to see a little more than usual of Deneve.. "ahem!"
Why are all the "demons" so skimpily underdressed, though?
Thats like asking where did the ghosts get the leather for their new outfits? LOL we may never find out.:heh:
Bikerider
2008-12-31, 16:14
The one Claymore Demon sniffing over Deitrich looks to be at least seven foot tall.
My translation for this chapter. I'm only not so sure that that word on page 20 means. Apologies.
Side bar: The "demon" that the warrior of the new generation was referring to is not the abyssal one, Issley!!
1.
The demons... have returned.
2.
Neither yoma nor awakened being.
The 3rd type - demon
3.
Damn. At this time... if this goes on...
4.
(sfx) Jyi jyi jyi
5.
(sfx) Sniffing.
Jyi jyi
6.
Grrrah.
Ha.. ha.. ha.. haa (panting)
Never thought that they would return from there so quickly...
This way... would another town disappear too...
7.
What.. what's happening?
The city is...
Run for it. Get out of here,
9.
Chh..
10.
Bastardly thing. Hiding yoki and playing games...
11.
Argh.
(panting) hu hu ha.
You.. you little.
13.
Hwaah. Guuwah.
Damn it... what is.. what is happening here...
14.
After injuring him to such an extent... will the one will die at the end still be me...?
15.
This fella's body. No matter how many times I pierce it with my sword. Or how many parts I hack off. It doesn't show any signs of going down.
What's more... Everytime I my sword cuts through that body of his... he will retaliate with even stronger weapons.
This joke is getting out of hand, Sister Miria... We're actually up against something like that. We really have no chance of winning.
It was my fault right from the start... this is the result of my little curiosity...
I'm sorry... sister Miria...
16.
I will leave the team here...
17.
! Chh...
!!
18.
Deneve.
What are you doing... trying to get yourself killed?
But.. but your... your body...
Ahh... the injury was severe... so just like "that time" I had to to release my yoki over the limit to regenerate...
19.
Therefore, hiding my yoki and escaping isn't possible any more...
so let me keep him busy while you find a way to get away.
Da.. dammit. That was supposed to by my line.
Why didn't you continue lying there.
That fella thought you were already dead and switched his sights on me!
Are you stupid? Seeing you about to get killed, how can I just continue lying there. Use your brain a little.
And you think I would leave that fella to you while I run away?
Who is the one who is dumb?
!
20.
Heheh.
Releasing yoki like that after 7 whole years make me feel like my blood is boiling.
... Are you stupid...
... if I am, you are too.
This must be the so-called (not such what it means - sorry)...
21.
It started with the both of us. Ending with the both of us isn't bad too.
22.
Gyi gyi gyi.
Demons are back!?
clarakiss~
2008-12-31, 16:19
well, since they're zombie claymore like you guys say, maybe they're the reason towns are vanishing in the past seven years? and it's very unlikely isley gettin' killed by those things and miss laura and hardy there. ^^;
At last some yoki usage! Nostalgie for early fighs. I hope those zombies will distract Isley long enough for Deneve and Helen escape, after they released their yoki, they become trackable by Isley again
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 16:25
At page 16, thanks God that Deneve was there to save Helen
At page 16, thanks God that Deneve was there to save Helen
Helen should aim for Isley's head in the first few attacks!!
The golden rule : AIM FOR THE HEAD!! AIM FOR THE HEAD!!
I couldn't help myself, these new addition to the story are really inspiring:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9099/claymorezombielolai1.jpg
I thought thats what that one was saying to Dietrich.:heh:
Negativedark
2008-12-31, 17:25
Well it's fairly obvious that the ZCS didn't care about Dietrich. But something in the town is attracting them. So either their after Isley, and possibly any AB's, or Normal humans. If it's the later, that is still a reason for Isley to oppose them, as they'd be wiping out his food source.
Helen's Apple
2008-12-31, 18:16
It turns out that Dietrich's statement, "The demon... has returned..." was meant as plural, after all. I forget too quickly that nouns can be both in Japanese. It appears that the Zombie Claymore Stripper force are all led by one overlord, but that needs confirmation.
Man. What is up with Isley? Not that he doesn't deserve his beating, but as it's been said, to see him actually in pain is quite strange. He didn't seem to flinch before when injured. The lone theory seems to be that he has been assailed by the ZCS brigade, perhaps continually. I also think he has been weakened by this.
Naturally, his reaction to Helen and Deneve is less surprising now since it seems the ZCS give off no Yoki. Does that mean he mistook Helen and Deneve as them? It would also explain why he referred to them as garbage. But... given the ending of 87, as the ZCS salivate over the releasing of Yoki, I would wager that only by putting Isley between a Helen and Deneve sandwich will they survive. Dietrich needs to run along and find help, or join in the sandwich. That'd make it a double-decker, wouldn't it? >_>;
But, I wonder, as has already been mentioned, how do they fight? What's more, what on earth are they? My theory was succinctly destroyed, and I really do not have much else. Perhaps they are the predecessors to Miata, and were held at an Org research base, and the Dragons freed them? Risen second-generation zombie Claymores from the flesh of fallen Claymores? Rubel's foray into the fine art of pimping?
revan5 -- I had to download my Chinese scanlation, which was legit and virus-free. PM if you want it.
Transmution
2008-12-31, 18:20
no need for fake spoilers the chinese version is out already.
Summary:
There are at least 6 'demons', they look like claymores with their eyes and mouths stiched up and not wearing very much at all. They find Ditrich but ignore her.
Meanwhile Helen is fighting Isley. She's doing alright too - gets a few good hits in. Deneve heals herself and joins her, but the heal lost her cloak. She offers to stay behind while Helen escapes, but Helen drops her cloak too and they ready for a fight, Meanwhile the 'demons' make it to town and the chapter ends. >.< i can't wait till clair and raki meet up again. i'm so excited i wish the new chapters just come out faster already
Helen's Apple
2008-12-31, 18:36
You know, it occurs to me that Helen and Deneve releasing their Yoki may have saved them. I'm willing to bet that Yoki release is the 'trigger' for the ZCS to attack, and thus why Isley isn't using his Awakened form. Since they've released, I'd wager my stem and two seeds that Isley's attitude will now change.
Goofus Maximus
2008-12-31, 18:48
You know, it occurs to me that Helen and Deneve releasing their Yoki may have saved them. I'm willing to bet that Yoki release is the 'trigger' for the ZCS to attack, and thus why Isley isn't using his Awakened form. Since they've released, I'd wager my stem and two seeds that Isley's attitude will now change.
I don't know. I'd imagine if Isley had prior experience with ZCs, he wouldn't mistake Helen and Deneve for such due to lack of stitches or stitch-holes in the eyelids and mouth... Last chapter I was truly expecting the demons to be Dragon-Kin, and this totally blindsided me, so I really don't know WHAT to expect from this point on!
They gotta be after Iseley, we kept hearing how the Org takes Abs and such more seriously now. Even Riful is trying to buffer herself even by taking on a great risk of awakening that Rafaela/Luciela mutant, she's gotta know how dangerous it is.
In the mean while, yagi keeps introducing new characters and new events, it's all getting confusing, who's going to eat who, when are they all going to meet...bleh...
Helen's Apple
2008-12-31, 19:33
I don't know. I'd imagine if Isley had prior experience with ZCs, he wouldn't mistake Helen and Deneve for such due to lack of stitches or stitch-holes in the eyelids and mouth... Last chapter I was truly expecting the demons to be Dragon-Kin, and this totally blindsided me, so I really don't know WHAT to expect from this point on!
Well, they were wearing cloaks and concealed their faces, in addition to being Yoki-cloaked, so it's possible -- if not plausible, per se. But I agree! I was totally expecting Dragonkin as well.
I wonder how long it'll be before the other Ghosts lose their cloaks, also. My core tells me that Clare and Miria will be the last to go. Part of me wonders if that was the secret to Teresa's strength, that she half-Awakened, then continually kept her Yoki suppressed from that point on, thus leading all other Claymores to believe she always kept her Yoki hidden. It was the same with Priscilla, except Priscilla didn't hold back and Awakened. As Helen says, such strong Yoki makes her feel like her blood is boiling!
I'd like to see an orgasmic scene with Helen struggling to hold back the Yoki next month, Yagi!
The chapters got me thinking if I've read it right Dietrich says those zombies are a third form neither yoma nor awakened being could they be partially-Awakened or even something thats surpassed ABs.
As for Isley what Helen faced could be just a shadow of his former power if those zombies have been after him for years he'll be tired and if has been unable to feed he'll be weakened to the point where claymore's are a treat to him.
Methuselah
2008-12-31, 20:58
Considering how humongous Isley's Horse form is. His horse-d*** will be too much for those zombie-strippers. Did I ever mention how he would un---- *Smacked self*
Alright seriously, the Zombies all have a head-strape on their heads. Were they scrapped - failed experiments - from the Organization or possibly captured and probed Claymores from the Dragon's-Kin? Explains why they were nit and head strapped. Brain has been worked on.
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 21:35
Yes your right in truth isley is far more powerful then he is but so long he stays in his human form he doesint stand a change but i think olso that Helen and Deneve
are doing alright at first and then every thing goes wrong just like Galatea in Pieta.
Isley may not be able to go into AO form either. If the demon zombie chicks been constantly attacking him, he could be drained so much that he has to remain in human form.
Considering how humongous Isley's Horse form is. His horse-d*** will be too much for those zombie-strippers. Did I ever mention how he would un---- *Smacked self*
Alright seriously, the Zombies all have a head-strape on their heads. Were they scrapped - failed experiments - from the Organization or possibly captured and probed Claymores from the Dragon's-Kin? Explains why they were nit and head strapped. Brain has been worked on.
LOL at horse dick joke.
I have a theory too ...
Very SImple: The organization, instead of combining yomas blood and humans, the zombies are created using the blood of Awakens and human. Thus = failed creations = thus uncontrollable to the org. = destroying towns.
I solved the mystery again. Yeah ! :p
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 21:45
All my favourite characters are falling apart, first we lost Rafaela and now Isley is in ruins. I'd rather see Isley commit harakiri than be deteriorated physically and mentally. :(
Seppuku :)
My guess is that Yagi is going for setting up the Organization as more villianous with this. I mean we know they kidnap little girls and create youma, but as we saw in a discussion about 4 chapters ago, some people are still willing to excuse the Organization depending on motives, circumstance, etc.
What it looks like is Yagi is introducing this ZCS brigade as the inexcusable experiments that will justify the ghosts in taking them down. I'm almost certain the ZCS brigade is the work of the org's research division. Probably re-using the bodies of the claymore candidates who never made it through training or claymores who died in the line of duty. Or perhaps something like putting a youma brain into a human cadaver, or human brain into an AB cadaver.
In fact, if you allow me to speculate a bit...
We speculated some time ago (based on Miria's speach) that the Org actually wants controllable ABs. Seems the best way to achieve that would be to force a claymore to awaken, have her killed, and then work on the AB body. Perhaps implant a human brain into the AB body or something in the hopes of controlling it.
If we extrapolate even further (i.e. this theory is correct), then the Org would love to get it's hands on Isley's body. A coordinated strike by 6 strong ABs may be something the Org is trying to that effect. If Isley is on the run, it might explain why he's looking so haggard.
Also, such experiments where you grow Claymores for the slaughter to make zombies should be enough justification for our heros to take action against the Org (even in the eyes of die-hard Org supporters).
Negativedark
2008-12-31, 22:02
Considering how humongous Isley's Horse form is. His horse-d*** will be too much for those zombie-strippers. Did I ever mention how he would un---- *Smacked self*
Alright seriously, the Zombies all have a head-strape on their heads. Were they scrapped - failed experiments - from the Organization or possibly captured and probed Claymores from the Dragon's-Kin? Explains why they were nit and head strapped. Brain has been worked on.
I noticed the head straps too. And That brings up another rather disturbing idea. What if they hide scars from lobotimies? Helen and Deneve definitly don't want to get caught by whoever is behind the ZCS.
Soujoricho_clariveL
2008-12-31, 22:10
The chapter was wicked.
The fight between Helen and Easly was awesome.
All the while I thought only Teresa was able to evade the missiles of Easly (Based from ES 7) but now even Helen and Deneve can do it. HOw much more Claire and Miria who were dubbed as the strongest among the group. Helen fought Easly (obviously in his human form) as if it was a childs play. Hehehe...
I can't wait when Claire and Miria releases their youki. I wonder what will be the reaction of our Lolita Princess (Riful of the West)...
I think personally think there the next step in the orgs experiments on controlled awakenings the twins who where also very zombie like could be the prototype for those girls.
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 22:19
It was my fault right from the start... this is the result of my little curiosity...
I vote that from now on, all drawings of Helen should include cat ears. :D
>.< i can't wait till clair and raki meet up again. i'm so excited i wish the new chapters just come out faster already
I have a better idea. Let's have something happen to Raki. Yah! That way Clare and Prissy can team up without knowing who the other is. Then eventually Clare is forced to use her yoki, and at that time it is so intense that it looks like Teresa's. ;) Raki need never be saved as far as I'm concerned though. :) Die Raki Die!
MisterJB
2008-12-31, 22:25
The chapter was wicked.
The fight between Helen and Easly was awesome.
All the while I thought only Teresa was able to evade the missiles of Easly (Based from ES 7) but now even Helen and Deneve can do it. HOw much more Claire and Miria who were dubbed as the strongest among the group. Helen fought Easly (obviously in his human form) as if it was a childs play. Hehehe...
I can't wait when Claire and Miria releases their youki. I wonder what will be the reaction of our Lolita Princess (Riful of the West)...
Ok, sorry but there are too many things that I disagree about your post.
First, look at Helen's face, she was doing her best to avoid being killed and in page 16 she would die if it wasn't for Deneve (thanks for that Yagi)
And she says that she can't win against him herself, so I don't think childs play its the best adjective.
Hit and run its best. Wich doesn't mean that it wasn't a genious strategy.
Also, I don't see why Riful should be stronger than Isley, they should have roughly the same strength because Riful never dared to face him and he only attacked Luciela after he had Priscilla to protect his back;)
theevilanimal
2008-12-31, 22:30
I'm sorry but you evoked the fact that teresa evaded isley's arrows in ES7, does that extra chapter even exist? o_O
I remember reading about it in earlier threads aswell.
If not, then i'm sorry for being gullible :(
Fenrir_valindri
2008-12-31, 22:32
I think these "demons" are possibly the result of Claymores being created using AB parts instead of Yoma parts. It is possible that they are a kind of uncontrollable terror weapon the Organization was creating and they released a limited number of them down South to test them out, or maybe use them to clear the Awakened Beings out.
I doubt they have the same "sixth" sense as Miata, in fact, I say they completely rely upon Yoki sensing to get around, much like Galatea.
I believe that, unlike the ABs, the Demons actually feed on Yoma/AB/Claymore flesh, and quite likely human as well, which means they have probably been hunting Isley.
My guess is Dietrich was passed over because she suppressed her Yoki as small as possible and didn't move, and so the Demons were uninterested.
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Helen performed quite well and fought very intelligently, but I'm going to guess that Isley isn't in his top form, or at the very least is extremely unused to fighting such a stealthy opponent.
Isley was taking a great deal of damage, even if it didn't do any lasting damage (according to Helen).
It is also possible Isley was holding back in hopes that these Demons wouldn't notice his presence, which explains why he hasn't fully awakened to deal with someone as skilled as Helen. Whatever these things are, I'm willing to bet Isley would rather avoid them then fight them.
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I would like to also express how impressed I am with Helen's fighting style now, it is among the most devastating possible, and I dare say any AB below Rigaldo's level would probably be toast. She used the terrain and her stealth to an absolute advantage and got in several hits that would have simply killed anything short of the Abyssal Ones or Priscilla.
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Edit: as for ES 7, I think it doesn't exist and is just some baseless rumor Teresa extremists (not normal fans/ because if your a Claymore fan, your a Teresa fan) started for fun. :p
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 22:40
What do you guys think the chances are of Deneve and/or Helen doing a Clare and partially awakening? I always thought that Deneve was the most likely character to partially awaken next because of her somewhat irresponsible usage of half awakening without much fret. I would truly love to all four of our fabulous four partially awake, though Maria would be last to do so.
What do you guys think the chances are of Deneve and/or Helen doing a Clare and partially awakening? I always thought that Deneve was the most likely character to partially awaken next because of her somewhat irresponsible usage of half awakening without much fret. I would truly love to all four of our fabulous four partially awake, though Maria would be last to do so.
I think the fab 4 are all already sort of awakened but Clare has been the only one thats reckless enough to push herself to the point that she needs to use part of her awakened form.
If those zombies are that strong, would it be because that they were former #1s? That would explain where all other #1 go, and maybe it was the reason why Riful and Isley chose to awaken? :)
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 22:55
I think the fab 4 are all already sort of awakened but Clare has been the only one thats reckless enough to push herself to the point that she needs to use part of her awakened form.
I dunno. I see Helen and Deneve of the Troublesome Three being even more reckless than Clare. Clare at least had a good reason to Partially awaken. Deneve may be the most reckless one, in that her first Half Awakening was because she was testing the boundaries. Then in the Slasher's arc that was also another reckless half awakening that could have ended up with everyone else being killed by her. And now we have a third time. So No I don't think Clare was the only one reckless enough to push herself to that point. I think Deneve and Helen are even more reckless and will need even less a good reason than Clare to go that far.
My personal theory for the fab 4 is that they is no such thing as a partially awakening what really happened to them is that they really fully awakened but they kept there human minds and that human mind is whats holding them back from useing there awakened form. I think eventually one of the fab 4 will be pushed to the point where they have to use there full awakened form and after the fight realize she still has her human mind even in her AB state.
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 23:11
Ah actually your theory is that there is no such thing as a Half Awakening. On this forum, it has been established that Half Awakened and Partial Awakened are two different concepts. The first is what Miria theorizes in the Slashers Arc, the second is what Clare does when fighting Rigaldo.
No my theory is that the fab 4 are ABs they just don't know it yet.
Gangsta Spanksta
2008-12-31, 23:20
;) I don't think Miria's Theory contradicts yours it was very inclusive of different possibilities stringed together with maybes from what I remeber. But see here we are also going into semantics now, where under your theory I would just use a different word for "Partial Awakening" meaning that Clare uses a limb of an awakened being instead of a human one. Anyway it seems your theory is a subset of Miria superset theory, which was very broad because she knew she didn't understand all the details, and Half Awakened was a general term she defined, which would still work in context with your theory, the way she defined it.
Awakened
2008-12-31, 23:49
Update:
Demons:
I think the demons are created by the Org.
The Org have been experimenting for 7 years since Pieta. The demons are the backup plan if they are not able to create a controllable Ab.
The Org new about the demons, but they did nothing about it. If a powerful force is in your backyard, staying neutral is not the wisest thing to do.
We were first introduced to the Org latest experiment when we saw Miata. Moving though the forest with no eye and no yoki will require a six sense. We saw one of the demons sniffing Dietrich. This tells us that they use smell to interact with their surroundings.
The demons are similar to Miata in many ways.
1) They have a six sense
2) They depend on a leader to accomplish a given task.
The first demon that we saw in chap. 86 was the leader of the demons.
3) It looks like the demons also like breast milk. Yagi went to a lot of trouble to show us the demon sniffing Dietrich breast.
You can say that they are a combination of human and animal. We have yomas and Dods, adding one more supernatural creature will not be a stretch. Maybe a Dod’s pet. Miata has yoki, so she might be a combination of yoma, animal and humans. Clarice might also be just like Miata, but is more human than Miata.
The Org also knew that Clarice would be able to control Miata. How did they know that?
The stitches on the demons are there to keep them in control. On page 1 we see one of the demons trying to open its eye, and then on the last page we see one salivating. It looks like they only eat when they are told to and are blinded to keep them from doing their own things. At first I thought that they do not eat, but at the end of the chapter one of them was salivating.
Helen:
Helen was great; she attacked Isley from the front, and then used stealth to get behind him.
Did anyone notice Helen was ready to die?
Isley:
It looks like Isley was in pain. This does not make much sense, because Isley can just heal himself. Then I thought he could be infected with some disease. If the demons are part animals, they could have rabies or something like that. Isley have to constantly use yoki to keep the disease form taking over his body.
If Isley is not at 100%, I think he might get Helen and Deneven to help him.
Bikerider
2008-12-31, 23:49
there are only 4 ES chapters.
Fenrir_valindri
2009-01-01, 00:02
I still don't think these "Demons" have Miata's sixth sense, we really have nothing to indicate that they do.
I am actually more inclined to think they get around more like Galatea's does, and they use a sort of "Yoki-vision" to hunt their prey, but they also posses enhanced sense of hearing/smell due to their blindness.
As I stated earlier, to me it looks like Dietrich was not only keeping still to hide herself, but she was probably hiding her Yoki as well.
This is very different from Miata whose 5 senses are enhanced to the point she has developed a sixth sense (7th technically if we count Yoki)
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Also, Isley being in pain shouldn't come as a surprise, I'm pretty sure it is possible for AB's to feel pain, they just have a higher tolerance to it due to their nature. We have seen several times in the past that ABs can feel pain and even react to it (Dauf being a prime example)
Isley was taking some rather heavy hits so it is no surprise he was reacting the way he was, he even had half his Torso blown away by Helen and regenerated it soon after. (which is damn impressive)
Awakened
2009-01-01, 00:47
I still don't think these "Demons" have Miata's sixth sense, we really have nothing to indicate that they do.
I am actually more inclined to think they get around more like Galatea's does, and they use a sort of "Yoki-vision" to hunt their prey, but they also posses enhanced sense of hearing/smell due to their blindness.
As I stated earlier, to me it looks like Dietrich was not only keeping still to hide herself, but she was probably hiding her Yoki as well.
This is very different from Miata whose 5 senses are enhanced to the point she has developed a sixth sense (7th technically if we count Yoki)
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Also, Isley being in pain shouldn't come as a surprise, I'm pretty sure it is possible for AB's to feel pain, they just have a higher tolerance to it due to their nature. We have seen several times in the past that ABs can feel pain and even react to it (Dauf being a prime example)
Isley was taking some rather heavy hits so it is no surprise he was reacting the way he was, he even had half his Torso blown away by Helen and regenerated it soon after. (which is damn impressive)
You might be right about the demons not been like the Miata, but you also agreed that they have a sixth sense.
It's true that Isley being in pain is no surprise, but we see many pictures of Isley showing how painful his wombs are. I think it was a bit excessive, unless the pictures of Isley in pain are put there for some reason.
Edit:
We also have Isley waking around with rag, and releasing a large amount of yoki for no apparent reason.
Soujoricho_clariveL
2009-01-01, 01:04
Yeah I am also wondering why Yagi let Easley express so much pain when he was slashed by Helen. You remember when Clair landed a blow to Riful's head? Riful just smiled as if it was just nothing (take not she was also in her human form).
Maybe, just maybe, he is in his weak state right now. Just like what others have speculated, many days have already passed by him trying to avoid contact with this so called Demon because he already saw these things as great threat to him.
Fenrir_valindri
2009-01-01, 01:04
Having enhanced hearing/smell isn't a sixth sense though. It is simply an enhanced version of a sense you already posses. (which you have 5 of)
Miata's sixth sense is a form of intuition that is extremely long range and accurate, which in itself is incredibly powerful (I honestly think it has the potential to be the strongest ability in this series)
The Term sixth sense is a bit hard to use with Claymores since Yoki detection is already technically a "sixth sense" in on sense (ooh, pun :eyespin: )
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 01:12
Update:
3) It looks like the demons also like breast milk. Yagi went to a lot of trouble to show us the demon sniffing Dietrich breast.
This proves nothing. NOTHING. I mean wouldn't any of us do the same given the chance. :heh:
Awakened
2009-01-01, 01:17
This proves nothing. NOTHING. I mean wouldn't any of us do the same given the chance. :heh:
lol, only some of us
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 01:19
Why do all Japanese demons have to be so, so Hentia? :p
Gundam Pilot 2008
2009-01-01, 01:31
Isley is not 100%, or he should have sliced Helen and Deneve within seconds.
I have to admit the man has been suffered greatly. He could be wounded by the super demons whose eyes and mouths are stitched. His territory could be harassed by them, as well. Most of his fellowmen could be killed by them, so he was struck emotionally. That is why he could lose his calmness and rationality, and mistook Helen and Deneve as complices of those super demon ‘cause two of them are also able to conceal Yogi perfectly.
Anyway I guess even if Helen and Deneve’s joint power is no match for unhealthy Isley’s. Then the fight between 3 of them would be disturbed by Super Demons charging towards the town where Helen and Deneve were confronted with Isley. Then 3 of them could fight together against those Super Demons who seem to be looking for food (internal organs).
By the way, in my opinion, Helen are Deneve are good friend ‘cause their personalities are similar. Helen is extroverted and straightforward, while Deneve looks quiet and introverted, but she is more reckless than Helen and Claire :)
Youtuber
2009-01-01, 01:55
There is more than the four Extra Scene? Where are these other three or are they just fan fiction? All that I know of are;
I. A Warrior's Pride
II. Phantom Warrior and Evil Warrior
III. A Chance Meeting in the North .
IV. Unrusting Resolution
Isley vs Teresa sounds very implausible considering Teresa looked rather bored killing Rosemary who was essentially an Abyssal One.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 02:14
By the way, in my opinion, Helen are Deneve are good friend ‘cause their personalities are similar. Helen is extroverted and straightforward, while Deneve looks quiet and introverted, but she is more reckless than Helen and Claire :)
Yuppers, I think that is one point Yagi been trying to make in these last few chapters. There is a reason behind Clare's Madness. Helen-neko gets in trouble because of her curiosity, while Deneve first Half Awakens to see where the fine line of her limits are. Obviously, it's reckless entering the danger zone in which that line lies, way before you even near it, and then to tempt faith twice by half awakening on purpose two times... Clare partially awakened once on purpose; I suggest to half awaken on purpose is far more reckless.
Ancient Soul
2009-01-01, 03:12
OK.Finnaly saw the raw.
My opionion :
The ZOMBIE-GIRLS DON'T BELONG TO THE ORG!
...contrary to most opinions so far! :heh:
(Still, i don't exclude a forsaken experiment of The ORG
- just that it make little sense to me)
-they are not claymores since they have no stigma.
-they are not normal humans either (to tall) thus they are not from The Island.
(unless they took hormons and steroids)
-they don't release yoki (or ar supressed - no one sense them not even Isley).
(only ghosts and Rafaela did this so far)
-apparently they are destroying towns with no reason.
-Dietrich fear them!
This "zombie-girls" experiment make The ORG more evil?
No point, they already did more evil that someone can chew.An entire region transforemed in a chamber of horrors.Maybe is in order to survive but this don't excuse them.Until now they destroyed towns who didn't pay them but now to use "zombie-girls" (rather than youmas) to destroy them make no sense.
A back-up plan?
Then Alicia & Beth the whole claymore experiment become pointless.If you can already create creatures who can scare an AO and more important who you can control no point to bother with claymores.If you can't control them and are just missiles the experiment become pointless from the start.The ORG want to control their creations.Also this experiment progression is kinda slow.The "zombie-girls" should have killed Isley by now.I think that they were busy with the killing of
humans and AB around the region.
Claymores where withrawed and put to hunt AB around the clock.If the "zombie-girls"are after AB then the latest actions of The ORG are "good" :twitch: !They kill all AB thus the "zombie-girls" will not go towards north, west and destroy all humans in the process.The ORG need humans for their "claymore" experiment.Without humans no claymores without claymores no experiment.
This make look that the "zombie-girls" are destroying The ORG laboratory.
If they are indeed The ORG experiment this may back Rubel words that he want to see The ORG self-destruction.But i simply can trust Rubel...he tried to kill our girls after all :mad:
They are an "Enemy" experiment?
This make sense for me if The ORG enemy launched a total attack or want to test their latest weapons before an attack.A neutral ground filled with your enemy weapons is the best choice.This also will make them at least as evil as The ORG putting The Ghosts on a though choice.The destruction of The ORG may easily mean the destruction of The Island.We have to see if not the DODs themselves at least some of their masters creations fighting if not claymores at least AB.As a mirror of the battle on the mainland.
The whole point of The ORG research are claymores who may turn in controllable AB (as far we know until now).I see no backs for The ORG to make an experiment like this.The "sixth sense" (like Miata) this girls seem to have don't match the "yoki-based" experiment of The ORG!I want to say that "sixth-sense" ability simply don't fit in The ORG experiment and is maybe and ADD from outside (see About Miata).I think that they don't sense yoki maybe the scent of AB flesh.They passed by Dietrich.Simply put she wasn't an AB thus no interest not because she belong to The ORG.This girls seem to be created in order to hunt down AB rather than claymores.Dietrich was scared.Is quite possible that she was no match for them.This would put the "zombie-girss" above claymores in the chain-food.
If they were The ORG an experiment then is no chance that they were created at The ORG HQ.In fact The ORG HQ is the "claymore base".Of course we don't know where the "youma factory" is and maybe there this girls were created.I think that there is no "youma factory".Rather the "youmas" are brought\buyed from the mainland alongside the swords.I base this on the fact that nether Miria or Galatea didn't find\know about it and didn't say anything about a "factory" at all.Just that The ORG created them and Miria's source was Rubel thus they know half-truth.
There was war on the mainland.Youmas and claymores were involved\killed and captured.I think that The ORG enemy began their own experiments using captured youmas and claymores.Why?Well is possible that the DODs simply can't sense yoki.We don't know if they use yoki at all.This would add to The ZONE theory where a a zone filled with AB is between the two sides preventing conflict.The ORG enemy dind't know a way to efficiently by-pass it.Thus they created "hybrids" to hunt down youmas , claymores , AB in order to help the DODs.They are nothing but a DOD noose or back-up in battle.Of course if the next chapters no DOD will show-up and the "zombie-girls" will attack and defeat Isley by themselves my opinion on this will change.If they can take down Isley The DODs are obsolete.At this moment i don't think that they are so powerfull and i think a DOD (or many) is close-by.A DOD with a few AB like slaves who can sense AB around seem an option for The ORG enemy in battle.
Isley release of yoki make sense.He try to attract his enemy.Maybe he don't know whats going on and think that claymores are after him.She can't sense them either and fear a sneak-attack.His reactions to Helen & Deneve seem "normal" in this situation.
We should think why :
The ORG seem to do nothing!
Rubel still try to kill half-awakeneds.
By the first would seem that this is another of their experiments and since Isley is an pinch seem quite a good one.They don't want to interfere and want to see how will go.Yet i find this one also slow as Alicia & Beth.An year at last since
they hunt Isley and didn't kill them?To slow...
By the second seem that is not their experiment but an enemy experiment on their own laboratory since Rubel is still concerned about The ORG success with half-awakeneds.Even in this situation The ORG would do nothing...they just sit and observe whats going on.Since "demons" failed to kill Isley until now...The ORG would not be to concerned.If Isley die and Dietrch told them who did it maybe The ORG will finnaly make is move.Mostly beacause the way to their HQ would be opened.
Knowing Rubel is quite possible that he "arranged" all this.Send false info on the mainland and The ORG enemy send their latest creations to see how they will make against The ORG "weapons"!Or The ORG enemy finnaly thought that is strong enough to win and made a final test on the island.Or even launched an attack on The ORG and their masters.
About Dietrich :
The ORG complete withraw from the south is suspicious.Is clear by the Dietrich reactions that The Council know about them.In fact i found very suspicious how much Dietrich know about things around.She know about Abyssls and Demons.Rachel didn't even knowed who Riful was and he was Nr.5.Have to be told by Audrey while Dietrich know about Isley.Also seem to know the relative position of the zombie-girls on the land.The fact that she fallowed Helen&Deneve make my thing that either is even more courious than Miria or she is the "EYE" of The ORG in the south!She sweared not to lie to The ORG?No other girl said something like this.I thougt that they will swear not to betray.
About Miata :
A possible scenario would be...A zombie-girl was capture on the mainland and shiped to the Island.If this zombie-girls can bear childrens is possible that maybe Miata was born by one of them and then shortly after killed.(also those "zombie girls have big breasts...so Miata like...).Then Miata was implanted with youma flesh.I think that by Miata's age she enter service 1-2 years ago thus at the same moment or soon before the Demon(s) appeared on The Island.Miata's "sixth sense" don't seem "yoki based" (an aplications of yoki like Galatea's yoki reading and such).The zombie-girls seem to have the same ability.They seem that they can track Isley everywhere.Miata is maybe a hybride between "claymore" and "zombie"!I just don't see Mata's ability pop out of nowhere.Right now don't seem to me to be the result of The ORG main claymore century experiment at all.
Miata is the ONLY ONE who can track a non-yoki based being.A step forward for The ORG.More important if they make her with stolen research from The Enemy.Is nowhere written that The ORG don't have spies of their own! :cool:
The fact that she and "demons" appeared at the same thing can't be a coincidence...unless Yagi say so! :D
About Helen :
Ahh, finnaly the habit of eating red, juicy apples paied back. :)
She got enough courage to attack an AO by herself.And even did some damage.
I don't know about you but compared to Clare watching Helen fighting is more enjoyable. :)
About Deneve :
Hmm...if only Isley would have cut a bit more of her outfit! :p
Fast regeneration i should say.Galatea is not even close (even with yoki manipulation). :(
Long time since i didn't saw them going "gold-eye" mode.
I wonder if they will relesed towards thir limits.
More important when the "zombie-girls" will attack Isley what i want to see their reactions.Since they are strong and released yoki i think they would be taken by those as AB rather than claymores and attacked.
And when Galatea x Miria "daddy" will show up (read Ermita) :frustrated:
I want him to go ninja on Rubel! :D
Helen's Apple
2009-01-01, 03:18
I personally agree with Newhope's theory -- that the Fab4 have already truly Awakened, but haven't realized it yet, since their human mind is so terrified of the concept. It isn't unheard of, especially in shonen manga, for a character's 'true strength' to always be available. Rarely do I like bringing other manga or media into a discussion, but for those of use who've watched Fate/Stay Night, I would liken it to Shirou's ability to use Projection. It is always there, but his mind is held back due to his innate fear from what he has been taught by others.
In any case, Clare and Jean both have shown us that it is possible to return from an Awakened state, though both times it took additional help to do so. I don't find it such a stretch to consider that with enough training -- say, seven years of constant mental suppression -- it is possible for such a return on one's own. As I postulated in the 86 thread, I'm sure others have considered the notion that a character, likely Clare, would eventually be able to use all her abilities while remaining fully human.
With this reasoning, I certainly think it'd be possible to see the use of partial Awakening -- or, to use Newhope's theory, their dormant powers -- from both Helen and Clare. However, I really don't believe now is the best time for them. Those ZCS are seriously bad news for whatever reason, and I'm almost positive they are the reason for Isley's haggard appearance and wild demeanor. Again, I stress that he reacted as such to Helen and Deneve due to not being able to A) sense their Yoki and B) see their faces. What else could he deduce that they were?
Also, notice that Dietrich holds her breath for the duration of being sniffed/passed by. What is the significance of this?
But, why would Isley exert so much Yoki? It was so vast that it seemed to literally shake the cloaks of the two, although this could be just artistic license. Was he attempting to incite the ZCS and kill them once and for all in a great showdown? And yet, despite this, he hasn't hit his AO form. Does this mean that he is only a shadow of his former self, and yet still has this massive of a Yoki?
I wager my only remaining leaf that Isley was never good at Yoki detection and Yoki suppression to begin with, and thus why he's struggling so.
I do like that Yagi shows Helen's fear openly. Although it was only in the anime, the scene I was lucky enough to star in comes to mind. I thought that was one of the most humanizing things about her -- that she acknowledges fear, and rather than be destroyed by it, realizes that it is one of the signs that "We're human, after all." And you can use it to fight quite well, too, as she's showing! :P
Gangsta -- Claymore milk = become part Yoma? I demand a fanfic of this concept! ^_^
I'd like to reiterate the theory that these ZCS are either failed Miatas, or a controllable, perhaps lobotomized version of her. And yet, it's quite possible for them to be something else entirely, if we go by the title of the chapter. Not Yoma, not Awakened Being, but Demon. What the hell, Yagi-sama?
Gah, my peel is getting spotty, that's how stressed I am right now.
Helen's Apple
2009-01-01, 03:30
AncientSoul, I like that Miata theory. Given that the ZCS seem to be quite large, and additionally are apparently extremely strong, that would fit the bill. They do not possess a stigma, and knowing Yagi, there is more point to showing so much skin as opposed to simple fan service. He really doesn't need to show TnA in gratuitous fashion. Of course, he has with Agatha, but that was also to illustrate the notion that ABs can appear human in every regard -- which also reinforces my previous post.
What you did point out, Ancient, was that:
The ORG complete withdraw from the South is suspicious.
Which I had neglected to think more on, as it was fleetingly mentioned by Dietrich. As a matter of fact, Dietrich-chan is withholding quite a bit of information, even if she won't lie! What else does Pigtails know that she isn't saying? Apparently, as you say Ancient, more than the current Eye! Sounds like she's a second-generation Miria, i.e., a snooping, bothersome Claymore, and seeing as she was sent to fight an AB she couldn't handle, her fate seems inevitable.
But, to get back on topic, why would the Org completely withdraw if it wasn't to either A) test a new experiment, or B) to get the hell out of dodge. I don't see the latter, given their willingness to sacrifice Claymores in the past.
I'll have to think on this more.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 03:31
:D You know though we can get stuck in some circular logic here, if they are already awakened. Say, Clare is already awakened and just doesn't know it. Then she fights the big bad kitty, partially awakens her limbs (however ya define it) and then at the end of the fight is about to Awaken. So she is already Awakened and about to Awaken again, which would suggest that it is all in her mind and once she goes over that psychological limit, she'll be like a 'normal' awakened being. But then here we create some new definitions on what it is to 'awaken' when in an already awakened state when you just don't know it, since there is a clear difference. :twitch: Ouch! my head hurts.
Either way, :) Sister Miria definition of Half Awaken is all inclusive and allows for them to already be awakened. :) I'm going a bit by memory here, but isn't the first thing she said that they already awakened or some such.
Anyway, in whatever theory you develop, you have to explain about what is happening when Clare seems to be awakening for a second time. Then you have to define what that "awakening" is and how it differs from the previous real awakening. ;)
Helen's Apple
2009-01-01, 03:42
Well -- *takes a deep breath* -- here goes.
Firstly, there is every Claymore's innate ability to use Yoma, and following Teresa's explanation, this ability is outlined by the 10% eye color change, 30% face distortion, 50% body distortion, 80% over-the-limit rules.
But, those rules can be broken, as demonstrated by the Fab4. We know nothing about the rules beyond this. It could be something along the lines of:
80%, Yoki distortion.
85%, Yoki enhancement.
90%, body Awakens.
95%, mind Awakens. (!)
100%, Enlightenment!
These are all assuming that the Claymore is 'human' enough, rather, that their human mind is strong enough to hold back the Yoma power. Nearly all Claymores hit the 90% mark and their human mind 'breaks'. My theory is this Enlightenment phase allows for the free usage of Yoma power as the human mind sees fit, finally without worry of losing one's humanity. Of course, this is all hypothetical, but it's just a hash-up theory along the lines of crossing limits. ^^;
The Fab4 would have already Awakened in this scenario, and yet they retain themselves. They've not completed the entire process, however! I'm probably way off base, but it's merely a fun theory to consider.
I doubt they have the same "sixth" sense as Miata, in fact, I say they completely rely upon Yoki sensing to get around, much like Galatea. (...)
Normally I wouldn't agree with you because youki sensing shouldn't enable to know your surroundings where inanimate objects or even creatures that don't emit youki are. Normally, because somehow Galatea managed to jump at a windowsill even though she was standing 1.9 meters away from it and not 2.4 meters like she usually did when she trained and adjusted her jumping strength ;). Similarly, when she somehow jumped at the roof of some building she didn't hit the wall or jumped too little... I have no idea how she managed that and IMO it's Yagi's oversight.
As for the ZCs, enhanced smelling or even hearing wouldn't help them much. They would hit obstacles nevertheless (bats emit high-pitched sounds and listen to the echoes, if zombies don't emit any sounds - and I think that is the case - super hearing wouldn't be enough to know their surroundings).
I wonder why are their eyes stitched? Maybe they can see through the gaps between the stitches and just after stitching procedure they regenerate their eyes (at first they would obviously have their eyes damaged). I partially agree with you Awakened that these stitches are to control them. They can sense what they need to nonetheless and nothing stops them from cutting their eyes open. I think the stitches on eyes are helping them in youki reading (and that's why they were made that way so they could achieve what Galatea managed to do) and stitches on their mouth are like a muzzle which can be severed when necessary but prevents them from uncontrollable eating or eating some small fries. To put it simply - they're waiting for big meal.
I'll add another idea. Maybe it was Isley that experimented on ZC and that's why he didn't care about AB's being exterminated and it even helped him because he received materials for better soldiers. Just like Riful he was trying to gain the upper hand, unfortunately it went out of control and his creations turned against it's former master. I know it doesn't make sense but I decided to mention it anyway :P.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 03:44
Anyway, personally, from a writer's standpoint -- though a bit armature -- I'd like to think that Yagi is writing Claymore to be about the struggle of one monster side (awakened being) versus that of one's human side. I'd like it to be setup so that Clare will eventually have two paths to choose from: one the path of Teresa, and two the path of the awakened. If you think about it, you have two different, opposite, styles here. You have the way that Clare fought in the Slashers arc, then you have the way that she fought in the North.
chibamonster
2009-01-01, 03:57
I like your train of thinking Gangsta Spanksta. I agree that one of the most prevalent theme's in Yagi's work is monsters, even in his comedy Angel Densetsu. I think the final thematic culmination will be a union of both; a monster who is human. I don't think the claymores will return to being full humans, but they may not have to. We have met humans who have been monsters, like the bandits, and some monsters who have human sides to them like Riful or now Priscilla. As Father Vincent mentioned, Claymores can be more noble than humans. I certainly think there will be a long hard struggle between the humans and monsters both internally and externally though :D.
As the characters continue to develop it gets more and more difficult to see who is really bad. I like this complexity about Claymore. Riful's talk with Jean is probably one of my favorite expositions on the subject of human vs. monster in the series. Well, that and Teresa being convinced that she is a monster until Clare hugs it out of her.
I wonder why are their eyes stitched? Maybe they can see through the gaps between the stitches and just after stitching procedure they regenerate their eyes (at first they would obviously have their eyes damaged). I partially agree with you Awakened that these stitches are to control them. They can sense what they need to nonetheless and nothing stops them from cutting their eyes open. I think the stitches on eyes are helping them in youki reading (and that's why they were made that way so they could achieve what Galatea managed to do) and stitches on their mouth are like a muzzle which can be severed when necessary but prevents them from uncontrollable eating or eating some small fries. To put it simply - they're waiting for big meal.
I opt for the simple explanation here rather than this.
If you look at other japanese pop culture areas, you fill find that the ZCS most resemble dead bodies that are re-animated in series such as Shaman King and Darkstalkers. The stitching I believe is there just to identify the post humanous dr frankenstien work it took to re-anime the bodies and emphasize that they are actually dead (living people would not put up with that). I doubt the stiching ever comes off.
Also, since the bodies are unarmed, unless you believe that the ZCS brigade fights with kung fu, I am guessing they will fight AB style - i.e. transformations or tentacles. Thus, judging what they can or cannot do by their current appearance is probably a mistake.
chibamonster
2009-01-01, 04:48
Cyclone you have made me wonder, how will these claymore zombie strippers fight? And I have a theory...
un3-Hb9wF9s
Prepare for the end Isley.
chibamonster
2009-01-01, 05:05
Hmm, you might have something there Soujoricho_clariveL. Now that I think about it, I think I know exactly what is going through Isley's mind...
TEKN-NHg6Rk
So many fantastic zombie references to draw from!
OK.Finnaly saw the raw.
My opionion :
The ZOMBIE-GIRLS DON'T BELONG TO THE ORG!
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The whole point of The ORG research are claymores who may turn in controllable AB (as far we know until now).
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I think I must not have made myself clear when presenting my theory...
There is an error in your basic assumption I think. You assume the Org wants controllable Claymores with AB power levels.
I argue that they may not have to be claymores at all. In fact, it makes sense to think of Claymores as a intermediate step in the production of such a weapon. Sort of like a cow is necessary for the material to make a leather jacket.
The ZCS do not have weapons, yet they are human in shape. Assuming that they cannot fight would be ludicrous. Thus, they probably fight by the usual youma/AB ways - transforming limbs, etc. There is only one thing in the story that can do that that we know of so far - Awakened Beings.
Next the nudity issue. Agatha was nice fan service and all, but I suspect the point is, it's quite clear she does not have the Claymore disfiguration after awakening. The ZCS brigade have no disfiguration either. If they were just dead Claymores, they would have the disfiguration. Thus they are dead awakened beings - not dead claymores.
How do you get dead Awakened Beings for your research? First you have to make lots of Claymores and force them to awaken. Then you kill them (somehow). Collect the bodies (Ophelia and Hilda both turned human shape after dying), and use them to create the ZCS brigade.
Presumably, the more powerful the Claymore, the more powerful the AB, the more powerful the Zombie. AO class ABs would of course be top prize for any such Zombie.
Why did the ZCS spare Dietrich? I think the idea that the ZCS was not aware of Dietrich is silly. It just chose not to attack. Afterall, if they kill her now, she wont ever become an AB. If they are even semi-controlable AB level fighters, chances whoever is making them wants more of them, thus needs more AB bodies. Killing off Claymores is probably not the best way to go about it. Seems Claymores are safe from them then.
On a similar note, we are led to believe that they wipe out entire towns, but what if they keep the little girls alive and ship those to the east for Claymorization? The towns end up empty either way. The AB hunting probably forces a high turn around rate in the Claymore ranks and those spots need to be replaced.
The organization benefits from all of this. In fact they benefit from everything except zombie vs. claymore fights. Dietrich knowning more than she should about the ZCS brigade would also indicate the Org's involvement.
Soujoricho_clariveL
2009-01-01, 05:36
Cyclone: If your idea about Zombie girls sparing Deitrich is true, how would you explain the salivating thing when Helen and Deneve released their youki?
Soujoricho_clariveL
2009-01-01, 05:42
I tend to believe that the salivating of ZMCs were indeed triggered by the release of both Helen and Deneve's youki's and not because of Isley. Why?
Based from the appearance of Isley, on how haggard he looks and the way he reacted to Helen's attacks, it seems to me that he was already playing cat and mouse with the ZMCs for a long period of time. Thus, somehow they already knew the smell how delicious Isley is.
But when Helen and Deneve has released their youki they seem so very interested on it thus made them salivate.
I tend to believe that the salivating of ZMCs were indeed triggered by the release of both Helen and Deneve's youki's and not because of Isley. Why?
Based from the appearance of Isley, on how haggard he looks and the way he reacted to Helen's attacks, it seems to me that he was already playing cat and mouse with the ZMCs for a long period of time. Thus, somehow they already knew the smell how delicious Isley is.
But when Helen and Deneve has released their youki they seem so very interested on it thus made them salivate.
I'd like to see a japanese raw (to see what they actually say) before I draw conclusions like that.
It's possible that like Ophelia detected Clare's Half Awakening, the Zombie girls can detect the same thing in Helen and Deneve.
Ancient Soul
2009-01-01, 06:08
I think I must not have made myself clear when presenting my theory...
There is an error in your basic assumption I think.You assume the Org wants controllable Claymores with AB power levels.
I argue that they may not have to be claymores at all. In fact, it makes sense to think of Claymores as a intermediate step in the production of such a weapon. Sort of like a cow is necessary for the material to make a leather jacket.
Then why Rubel want to kill half-awakeneds?They are claymores with nearly AB like powers.Clare is even a step further.I don't think my assumption is wrong neither entire truth.The ORG may have multiple objectives rather than a single one.We don't know what they are at all.They also still make claymores after a century.We don't know about another facility on the island where they can produce such things.Unless there is a second facility on mainland who would make Rubel's infiltrations pointless.
Why did the ZCS spare Dietrich?I think the idea that the ZCS was not aware of Dietrich is silly. It just chose not to attack. Afterall, if they kill her now, she wont ever become an AB. If they are even semi-controlable AB level fighters, chances whoever is making them wants more of them, thus needs more AB bodies. Killing off Claymores is probably not the best way to go about it.Seems Claymores are safe from them then.
I think that they spared Dietrich because she didn't released to much yoki and she didn't smell like an AB.The ZG are after AB like creatures and kill humans in the process.
On a similar note, we are led to believe that they wipe out entire towns, but what if they keep the little girls alive and ship those to the east for Claymorization? The towns end up empty either way. The AB hunting probably forces a high turn around rate in the Claymore ranks and those spots need to be replaced.
The organization benefits from all of this. In fact they benefit from everything except zombie vs. claymore fights. Dietrich knowning more than she should about the ZCS brigade would also indicate the Org's involvement.
Is just that if the zombie-girls are an ORG experiment for me it seem an experiment that is out of scale.
irvinethearcher
2009-01-01, 09:32
@Ancient Soul
If those girls aren't claymore related, why are they all girls?
IMO the fact that they are all girls indicates that they were claymores or at least related to yoki.
I wonder about the saliva thing in the last picture.
About the stigmata -> perhaps they are already awakened and therefore lost it?
Why came the saliva out? Because of the humans of the town or because of the two
half - awakened and isley?
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 11:56
Hmm, you might have something there Soujoricho_clariveL. Now that I think about it, I think I know exactly what is going through Isley's mind...
So many fantastic zombie references to draw from!
OL7YF0Djruk
Maybe Isley will cheer up once Priscilla is on the market again, after this Clare and ugh Raki reunification scene.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 12:04
@Ancient Soul
If those girls aren't claymore related, why are they all girls?
IMO the fact that they are all girls indicates that they were claymores or at least related to yoki.
I wonder about the saliva thing in the last picture.
About the stigmata -> perhaps they are already awakened and therefore lost it?
Why came the saliva out? Because of the humans of the town or because of the two
half - awakened and isley?
Ah ;) it kind of reminds me of this image someone posted in the image section, where a picture of a muscular Raki wielding his broad sword got a Fail mark, while a claymore, a girl, got the Pass mark. :)
Isley looks a lot like Raki
Ancient Soul
2009-01-01, 12:51
@Ancient Soul
If those girls aren't claymore related, why are they all girls?
IMO the fact that they are all girls indicates that they were claymores or at least related to yoki.
I wonder about the saliva thing in the last picture.
About the stigmata -> perhaps they are already awakened and therefore lost it?
Why came the saliva out? Because of the humans of the town or because of the two
half - awakened and isley?
How many claymore fans want to see a bunch of naked guys in Claymore?
Even Isley is wearing some rags.The "demons" being all girls fit Claymore :p
There is no proof that they are claymores or claymore related.Did Dietrich think about them as claymores or at least fallen camarades?When he killed the AB in chapter 85 she said that he kill him out of respect among camarades.Thus while an AB was a former camarade the zombie-girls where "demons"!If a claymore don't consider them claymores or at least claymore related then are good chances they are not.She didn't consider them even youma related.
I don't know why they salivated.I think there are attracted to yoki.The much the better.Maybe they feed on AB.No AB like to eat youmas\claymores\AB because their flesh is filled with yoki.If we see them eating even a piece of a yoki-based creature would be another argument that they are not youma\claymore related.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 13:03
:D BTW, all the guy monsters in Claymore -- yoma, awakened beings -- have been kind of boring looking in their monstrous forms. It's the female monsters that are interesting -- an odd blend of beauty and horror. Even Isley in his abyssal form is boring, I mean, come on, a horse... Well unless you are into that sorta thing, I suppose. :P
Methuselah
2009-01-01, 13:31
I agree to the theory that they are drawn to Youki energy, which explains why Isley would hide in towns using the villagers as meat shields and an early warning. The thing is that I don't see how they could eat considering that their mouths are nit shut. I wonder if those are the Dragon-kin's minions. They look easy to control with the precautions the zombies have on them. (Head-strapes from possible brain surgery, eyes and mouth nit shut.) Could it be that those are the "awakenings" that the Org seeks to make or surpass? o.O ARGH NEXT MONTH ALREADY!! AND I WANT RAKI!
LONEWOLF13
2009-01-01, 14:44
Think the zombies are like Nazgul there like a magnet atractive to power and respond to even to the smalest yoki outburst.:confused:
Jasperboo
2009-01-01, 14:50
Did the armies of the org's side just send in warriors to awaken to fight the DoD till dead and not normal claymores? If that is the case then the dragon-kin may have not seen a normal claymore and maybe wouldn't target one. The drooling in the last panel really makes her look like she eats AB's.
Also i don't remember seeing a female yoma, if the yoma are created by the org could this be another type we haven't seen before.
Helen should aim for Isley's head in the first few attacks!!
The golden rule : AIM FOR THE HEAD!! AIM FOR THE HEAD!!
not against AB maybe Isley keap his weak spot in his left leg?
The recent exposure of Deneve makes me worry, it seems that everyone who gets used for fan service dies: Jean, Ophelia, Agatha and all the other half naked ABs...ok maybe except for Luciela who lived....
Luciela has never been subjected to fan service when she was "alive"....
tunjee01
2009-01-01, 15:26
I've been thinking about it for awhile now and maybe, just maybe they are with luciela. From what we know they started their rampage 7 yrs ago after luciela's death and by the look of it they have been going after easley specifically. Luciela might have been the one keeping them in line. Now the question who killed luciella comes to mind. They might not know luciela is with riful. Just a theory though.
Luciela has never been subjected to fan service when she was "alive"....
she ran around naked before the very end...
MisterJB
2009-01-01, 16:59
The recent exposure of Deneve makes me worry, it seems that everyone who gets used for fan service dies: Jean, Ophelia, Agatha and all the other half naked ABs...ok maybe except for Luciela who lived....
We have seen Clare naked sometimes.
Maybe Yagi-san tries to give us nice views before he kills a characther
Fenrir_valindri
2009-01-01, 17:25
Deneve was in a simliar state of undress the first time we saw her regenerative powers, so I wouldn't worry too much about her.
Besides, Clarice has given us a good amount of fan-service and she seems to be fine. :heh:
Besides, Clarice has given us a good amount of fan-service and she seems to be fine. :heh:
She sure has!:D
That she has @fenrir and @hell, I have lately started to adore Deneve a lot.:)
That she has @fenrir and @hell, I have lately started to adore Deneve a lot.:)
Who isn't right now. Actually I am starting to wonder how much longer it will be before the right side of her shirt starts to move?:heh:
Who isn't right now. Actually I am starting to wonder how much longer it will be before the right side of her shirt starts to move?:heh:
Well, that's a very lovely thought.:)
Well, that's a very lovely thought.:)
Yeah I can't wait for the next chapter now!:D
she ran around naked before the very end...
She was very dead back then....
MisterJB
2009-01-01, 18:05
The Queen of the South Luciela is not dead, she is sleeping and she only needs a kiss to wake up
MisterJB
2009-01-01, 18:07
Who isn't right now. Actually I am starting to wonder how much longer it will be before the right side of her shirt starts to move?:heh:
Let's hope that Isley can do a few more cuts.
Now everytime Deneve gets sliced in Claymore we will be very happy
King Lycan
2009-01-01, 18:08
Thank god Helen and Deneve survived:bow:
Let's hope that Isley can do a few more cuts.
Now everytime Deneve gets sliced in Claymore we will be very happy
A few more cuts sounds good.:heh:
shouldn't Deneve have gotten a little stronger after going above her limits again?
MisterJB
2009-01-01, 18:23
A few more cuts sounds good.:heh:
He didn't want to kill them, the poor guy just wanted to have fun. Helen misunderstood everything. That's why he is not figthing.
He even called the zombie claymore strippers to join the party:heh:
He didn't want to kill them, the poor guy just wanted to have fun. Helen misunderstood everything. That's why he is not figthing.
He even called the zombie claymore strippers to join the party:heh:
Yeah he is just lonely thats all.:heh:
Such impure thoughts. For shame!
Distractions are fun, but le not your hearts wander from our goddess Galatea.
Helen's Apple
2009-01-01, 19:53
No, I think the truth is really misunderstood completely. I took a look at some translations, and here are some of the revisions I've been able to make:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_008_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_009_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_011_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_012_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_013_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_014_spoof.jpg
Thus lured into a false sense of security, that bastard Isley tried a sneak attack, but was saved by Deneve. And now begins his punishment!
No, I think the truth is really misunderstood completely. I took a look at some translations, and here are some of the revisions I've been able to make:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_008_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_009_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_011_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_012_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_013_spoof.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/Crusaderomni/claymore_scene087_014_spoof.jpg
Thus lured into a false sense of security, that bastard Isley tried a sneak attack, but was saved by Deneve. And now begins his punishment!
Never mess with Helen!:heh:
yay - a scanlation is out now :)
It's off the chinese and missing a page though... still... English is nice... now if only we had a japanese version...
Why does the original language always have to be the last one to be released? It's ridiculous.
chibamonster
2009-01-01, 20:58
Agree with you about Scans, Raws, and Chinlations as always Cyclone. It makes me wonder why I learned Japanese sometimes :D.
Horray for Helen's Apple! Funny scanlation you have there. I am glad that GoGoGadget Gigadrill is being used!
Soujoricho_clariveL
2009-01-01, 21:56
Come to think of it maybe these Zombie Girls are related to Luciela!!!
Negativedark
2009-01-01, 22:10
Thank god Helen and Deneve survived:bow:
For now. Looks like there about to have a ZCS problem though. I hope they ignore those two and go right for Isley, but I doubt they'll be that lucky. On the other hand someone has to let Miria know about this shit.
Hey I know a way that Helen and Deneve could beat Isley. Start making out, and he'll die from the massive nosebleed.
Helen's Apple
2009-01-01, 22:24
It'd be interesting to see reverse-Claymores; that is, Yoma lobotomized and injected with human minds, but only the instincts intact. Essentially, the last portion which Alicia and Beth retain, just enough to enable control over them.
It'd explain the strange headgears, at the very least.
their headgear resembles MiB weird gear.
just throwing something out there without much to base it on but...
maybe the "demons" are somehow related to the Black cards
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-01, 23:34
The Queen of the South Luciela is not dead, she is sleeping and she only needs a kiss to wake up
you say that, and then I look to the left at your current avatar and shutter. :heh:
King Lycan
2009-01-01, 23:37
For now. Looks like there about to have a ZCS problem though. I hope they ignore those two and go right for Isley, but I doubt they'll be that lucky. On the other hand someone has to let Miria know about this shit.
Hey I know a way that Helen and Deneve could beat Isley. Start making out, and he'll die from the massive nosebleed.
Na .. Ishley's gay :heh:
King Lycan
2009-01-02, 00:29
Me too
I want to see my Deneve alive :sad:
She is my favorite claymore that isn't dead
Helen's Apple
2009-01-02, 01:31
Onemanga still doesn't have anything up, and from trolling around a few minutes on various boards, no one has yet to see anything. It's strange, because the Chinese scanlation has been out a couple days, already packaged into nice downloads here and there -- and it's not like it was an extensive chapter. My best guess is that all the translators have become incapacitated from alcohol consumption this New Year's. ^_^
But, take comfort in the fact that this month's installment wasn't very dialogue heavy (with the exception of one page I couldn't be bothered to Applelate, Helen yaps in her mind as much as she does with her mouth... :p) , and it had more action than anything else. Just glossing over the Chinese scanlation should suffice until next month.
yezhanquan
2009-01-02, 03:39
Hope that 88 will be heavy with explanations.
zato_1one
2009-01-02, 05:41
At last I can find a place to connect to internet. <_<
I only watched the Chinese scan and still didn't read any translation (if it has one though).
My impression is WOW! What a twist turn of event. Instead of the demon/devil come to distract Isley and he end up leaves Helen/Denev to escape for good. It turns out that Helen/Denev think Isley is weak and decide to finish him off now. And those demon/devil may end up distract both Helen/Denev and thus help Isley instead. :twitch:
There must be something wrong with Isley. He couldn't even dodge when he supposed to be faster than Rigaldo. But I feel the dejavu here. Remembering when Riful made her reappearance after the time skipped. She looked weak but it was because she just played with Audray&Rachel. This time, Isley looked weak too. Even if he wasn't in AB form but I think he should do better than that. I wonder what happened to him. This should relate to these zombie girls, I think.
About these zombie girls, they seem to recognize things with smelling. So I didn't think that they knew who was Dietrich. If they were used to hunt AB then it made sense that they didn't attack Dietrich. Because we knew from Ophelia that Claymore and AB had different scent. If this is true then it has a very high chance that these zombie girls will attack both the ghost and Isley. They were drooling when the ghost released Yoki too. Isley and the ghost may even end up becoming a temporary ally for this fight. After the fight is over, Isley may give an explanation as a reward for helping him.
I must mention Helen. Ho! What a great performance! The combination of her rubber arm and drill sword is simple awesome. It seems she can overcome the slow charge time of drill sword technique. But she is still easily lost concentration. If Denev didn't have fast regeneration and came to help her then Helen would already died.
FINAL RANT! Why the heck is this chapter so short!?! It has only 22 pages! :frustrated: I really can't wait for next chapter! :heh:
Good Bye for now and Happy New Year 2009!
evil_kenshin
2009-01-02, 06:45
At last I can find a place to connect to internet. <_<
I only watched the Chinese scan and still didn't read any translation (if it has one though).
My impression is WOW! What a twist turn of event. Instead of the demon/devil come to distract Isley and he end up leaves Helen/Denev to escape for good. It turns out that Helen/Denev think Isley is weak and decide to finish him off now. And those demon/devil may end up distract both Helen/Denev and thus help Isley instead. :twitch:
There must be something wrong with Isley. He couldn't even dodge when he supposed to be faster than Rigaldo. But I feel the dejavu here. Remembering when Riful made her reappearance after the time skipped. She looked weak but it was because she just played with Audray&Rachel. This time, Isley looked weak too. Even if he wasn't in AB form but I think he should do better than that. I wonder what happened to him. This should relate to these zombie girls, I think.
About these zombie girls, they seem to recognize things with smelling. So I didn't think that they knew who was Dietrich. If they were used to hunt AB then it made sense that they didn't attack Dietrich. Because we knew from Ophelia that Claymore and AB had different scent. If this is true then it has a very high chance that these zombie girls will attack both the ghost and Isley. They were drooling when the ghost released Yoki too. Isley and the ghost may even end up becoming a temporary ally for this fight. After the fight is over, Isley may give an explanation as a reward for helping him.
I must mention Helen. Ho! What a great performance! The combination of her rubber arm and drill sword is simple awesome. It seems she can overcome the slow charge time of drill sword technique. But she is still easily lost concentration. If Denev didn't have fast regeneration and came to help her then Helen would already died.
FINAL RANT! Why the heck is this chapter so short!?! It has only 22 pages! :frustrated: I really can't wait for next chapter! :heh:
Good Bye for now and Happy New Year 2009!
im not fully sure, he seems very desperate, compared to Riful who was calm then. While I have no doubt these "Zombie claymores" are bad guys (considering they've eaten a whole lot of villagers throughout the south) , can even a combined force of Isley, Helen and Deneve win a fight when Isley is freaked out?
MisterJB
2009-01-02, 08:36
If isley was straight, I wonder how he deals with all these nude/half nude women running all around him.
He fell in love with Priscilla, Riful said it.
Now she left him and the guys has a broken heart. No wonder that he can't figth
you say that, and then I look to the left at your current avatar and shutter. :heh:
Yeah I know. Defenitively not in Awakened Form, but in human form she is really hot
I just hope these zombies don't "eat" Yoki therefore permanently weakening an AB or Claymore.
It would just feel like a cheap way of lowering the "power level" of our characters.
They've gotten so strong by now though, so i guess it would be understandable.
Na .. Ishley's gay :heh:
LOL.. no wonder Raki left
Tevourious
2009-01-02, 10:25
Perhaps Isley is just weakened from fighting the Zombies. Chances are they've been hounding him for a while, who knows how many their are. He coulda just been overwhelmed, hence his weakened state. So he's hiding out to recover when the Helen and D arrive. He assumes they're part of the group that unleashed the Zombies, hence his sour attitude when facing them. Also, our ladies are strong yes, but I agree, Helen going strong against Isley is out of form LOL Clare, or Miria yes, Helen eeeehh not so much so? Something's goin on.
My money is on that Isley's had his ass kicked and hasn't recovered yet. if not the Zombie's then perhaps by Priss which would explain why she's not with him.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-02, 10:34
Perhaps Isley is just weakened from fighting the Zombies. Chances are they've been hounding him for a while, who knows how many their are. He coulda just been overwhelmed, hence his weakened state. So he's hiding out to recover when the Helen and D arrive. He assumes they're part of the group that unleashed the Zombies, hence his sour attitude when facing them. Also, our ladies are strong yes, but I agree, Helen going strong against Isley is out of form LOL Clare, or Miria yes, Helen eeeehh not so much so? Something's goin on.
My money is on that Isley's had his ass kicked and hasn't recovered yet. if not the Zombie's then perhaps by Priss which would explain why she's not with him.
It's not out of form; there are four half awakeneds, not two.
Wargumm1i
2009-01-02, 10:39
Okei so Priscilla dumped Isley and started dating Raki? lol.
Maybe Iseley also started the patented prissy diet? He realised he's been a bad little boy and decided to spend the rest of his life mending his wicked, wicked ways?
Helen's Apple
2009-01-02, 11:03
It's not out of form; there are four half awakeneds, not two.
Plus, we still don't know the exact circumstances of Helen and Deneve's half-Awakening. Who knows what triggered it? Perhaps Helen's was triggered by Deneve getting hurt in the past, and if so, this isn't out of character for her at all. Helen did beat around the bush quite a bit when asked about it by Miria, after all. So far, it seems the half-Awakenings are quite emotional, and thus enabling the human side to exert stronger-than-average control.
I have a feeling the reason is quite a bit deeper than just losing control, and regaining herself somehow. :p You made note of the possibility of a human helping her get back in the Raki thread, MisterJB -- what's your thoughts on Helen's return? Given how impulsive she is, I don't see her "just regaining control somehow", as she says. :P
Where can I find the raw of chapter 87?
Youtuber
2009-01-02, 13:24
Isley is probably playing weak to test Helen's ability, he hasn't even entered his awakened being state which is where the bulk of any Awakened Being's power is at. I doubt he's weakened, he is intentionally broadcasting his yoki on full blast for some reason. Why he is deciding to draw the zombie crew into a town is beyond me, they probably don't harm humans like normal Claymore so Isley is using them as shields. Falling buildings and stray arrows are probably destroying the towns.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-02, 14:46
you guys know Isley had no problems depopulating the North, don'tcha? ;)
Isley is probably playing weak to test Helen's ability, he hasn't even entered his awakened being state which is where the bulk of any Awakened Being's power is at. I doubt he's weakened, he is intentionally broadcasting his yoki on full blast for some reason. Why he is deciding to draw the zombie crew into a town is beyond me, they probably don't harm humans like normal Claymore so Isley is using them as shields. Falling buildings and stray arrows are probably destroying the towns.
unlike Riful, Isley is not playing around nor is he looking for "friends." (as far as we know) His body is more solid unlike Riful who is made out of ribbons. I doubt he can absorb a Helen drill sword the same way Riful could. He is visually displaying large amounts of pain.
I doubt he has been beaten in any sense, but he surely has lost round one of the fight :p
As for his Yoki being on full blast. Naw, that is just the nature of an awakened being. They generally can't cloak themselves the same way a claymore could, at least most of them can't. Plus, this is Isley we are talking about :p
MisterJB
2009-01-02, 15:26
Plus, we still don't know the exact circumstances of Helen and Deneve's half-Awakening. Who knows what triggered it? Perhaps Helen's was triggered by Deneve getting hurt in the past, and if so, this isn't out of character for her at all. Helen did beat around the bush quite a bit when asked about it by Miria, after all. So far, it seems the half-Awakenings are quite emotional, and thus enabling the human side to exert stronger-than-average control.
I have a feeling the reason is quite a bit deeper than just losing control, and regaining herself somehow. :p You made note of the possibility of a human helping her get back in the Raki thread, MisterJB -- what's your thoughts on Helen's return? Given how impulsive she is, I don't see her "just regaining control somehow", as she says. :P
I'm 100% sure that it went down like this:
"Now I'm going to Awaken and I will have to eat human's guts for all eternity
Hell No! I prefer apples."
And she went back...
Now seriously, judging by Helen's personality she doesn't seem the type of girl to resist the pleasure of Awakening so I think that she could had come back for someone, maybe a human.
But we have seen that Helen loves her humanity, in the Slashers's arc she starts yelling when Miria suggests that they had already Awakened and she also said to Denve that Claymroes are humans, so I think that she was able to come back because she loves being human
Tevourious
2009-01-02, 15:34
It's not out of form; there are four half awakeneds, not two.
I never said there was only two. Where did that come from. I was saying. Miria and Clare would more likely test him like this. The fact that Helen is, is curious. Not selling Helen short. But this IS Isley we're talking about.
Too true, he could be testing them. Abyssal's sure love their games. But I don't think he is. He's worried and haggard. I still say, SOMEONE slapped him about and he had to withdraw. He's in no mood or state to be toying around at this point. He may not have used his Full power because he's depleted, Like Luciela after her fight. If you recall she reverted to human form.
The Zombies as we call it. Lord are they dead Claymores? EEEEEEKKKKK if thats the case. I don't think I wanna see old favs stiched together as monsters. If I see a Zombie Teresa with a stiched on head I'm gonna cry. They're sniffing Yoki, I mean what else could the be sniffing. Dietrich can hide hers, as can the Fab7. This goes back them hunting Isley, as the above posts said, he can't really hide his Yoki. Even more so, they could be the reason Isley and Priss seperated, she can hide her Yoki, he most likely can't. So he either A: sent her away to keep her safe. Or B: She just wandered off for any number of reasons. WOOOO I was getting kinda worried about were story was goin but things are getting very myserious.
Well all I have seen are just glimpse and pics posted here, but I'm being brave and waiting till Onemanga puts it up.
KanaKaishou
2009-01-02, 16:11
<_<
Why do there exist Italian versions so quickly...I can't read italian!!
MisterJB
2009-01-02, 18:23
Isley destroyed half of Priscilla's body.
Now, do you people think that Helen and Deneve could do that?
<_<
Why do there exist Italian versions so quickly...I can't read italian!!
Link it and I'll transalte it :D
Isley destroyed half of Priscilla's body.
Now, do you people think that Helen and Deneve could do that?
Actually YES. When Isley detroyed half of her she wasn't serious. She was only serious for less than a second when she ripped half of his body.
Tevourious
2009-01-02, 21:07
Isley destroyed half of Priscilla's body.
Now, do you people think that Helen and Deneve could do that?
Exactly. Priss wasn't even fighting at the time either. That'd been ugly if she were actually fighting him and not just being defensive and crying. No way in hell could D and Helen do what he did. HOWEVER. I do think they could keep from being killed outright by Isley at full power, but they'd have to high tail it.
Me too
I want to see my Deneve alive :sad:
She is my favorite claymore that isn't dead
pm sent, btw don't worry about deneve :D Helen's taking good care of her hehe :D
Man, those zombie claymores were salivating after every yoki power boost that those 3 were unleashing.... my good. Someone said that the zombies might get stronger if they were to devour or absort other yoki energy...... that might old true or, they might have a sickening 6th sense for yoki presence. Regardless tho, they look to be a mean bunch. I wonder what the ring leader looks like (last page chapter 86)
<_<
Why do there exist Italian versions so quickly...I can't read italian!!
The preliminary english version has been out for more than a day already - it beat the italian version. The chinese version is the fastest of course... Still waiting for the Japanese version... until then, we have there is no way to be gauranteed of an accurate translation. After the japanese raw is available, then I expect the english version(s) to be released.
Those zombies strippers are in fact created by Isley himself.
He used his own blood (or other bodily fluid) and inject into human girls and thus those Franken frans are created. Therefore, he fathered these monsters.
He unleashed these zombies girls to destroy the southern towns and eventually the whole continent.
Tevourious
2009-01-02, 23:36
O.o Thats just crazy enough to work!! LOL. Those things could be from any number of sources
A: Another Experiment by the Orgz. Based of Miata.
B: Miata is in fact one of them, or a prototype. Either Created or Stolen by the
Orgz. Miata has a LOT in common with them.
C: Isley created them as said above. I don't think so :P But wow if he did.
D: Touching on above. Dunno if it's been stated or not. But what if these are freaky Half/Human Claymores. Dunno if it's possible, but imagine if it is. There is a breeding colony somewhere EW!!
E: Riful is spawning them via her new um toy? Unlikely, we've no idea what she's up to at the moment. It's been a while since they touched on that. Some time has passed since Riful's antics and the Group splitting up. I'd imagine whatever Riful is doing won't take long, or has allready happened and we've just yet to see.
D: They are the Other side of the "War over the sea" version of Claymores.
F: New freaky third generation Claymores that the Orgz are creating, Hunter Killer drone types, devoid of real mind of their own. Kinda hard to loose control if you've been labotamized and programmed. It makes a bit of sense. Sniff out Youki, kill kill kill.
G: Perhaps the Orgz Bosses, realized the situation on the island has gotten out of control and decided to clean house, with these black ops freaks.
Notice that EVERYONE outside of the Fab 7 are acting very desperate.
Riful is playing with fire and taking a huge risk with her new hybrid.
Isley is....well.... look at him.
The Orgz has depleted resources and have pushing up untested subjects. Miata is unstable as all get out. Clarice is... well Clarice.
ABs in general. A AB attack on THE major human city is unheard of. Agatha was very bold for that. Surely she'd know that "Someone" would show up to challenge her. Plus Town wipes HAVE to be new, or else more people would know that AB's are more than just normal Yoma, THey look TOTALLY diffrent that the bug eyed freaks. Funny we've not seen a normal one in forever lol. Anyway, at the rate cities are falling, if this were common they're be no civilization left.
Priss ate god knows how many town. The battle to the north wiped one or two out. Ophelia and Clare's mission was in another. Priss ate god knows how many.
And the recent rampages have cut them down more. This a major assault on humanity as a whole. This can't be normal.
O.o Thats just crazy enough to work!! LOL. Those things could be from any number of sources
A: Another Experiment by the Orgz. Based of Miata.
B: Miata is in fact one of them, or a prototype. Either Created or Stolen by the
Orgz. Miata has a LOT in common with them.
C: Isley created them as said above. I don't think so :P But wow if he did.
D: Touching on above. Dunno if it's been stated or not. But what if these are freaky Half/Human Claymores. Dunno if it's possible, but imagine if it is. There is a breeding colony somewhere EW!!
E: Riful is spawning them via her new um toy? Unlikely, we've no idea what she's up to at the moment. It's been a while since they touched on that. Some time has passed since Riful's antics and the Group splitting up. I'd imagine whatever Riful is doing won't take long, or has allready happened and we've just yet to see.
D: They are the Other side of the "War over the sea" version of Claymores.
F: New freaky third generation Claymores that the Orgz are creating, Hunter Killer drone types, devoid of real mind of their own. Kinda hard to loose control if you've been labotamized and programmed. It makes a bit of sense. Sniff out Youki, kill kill kill.
G: Perhaps the Orgz Bosses, realized the situation on the island has gotten out of control and decided to clean house, with these black ops freaks.
Notice that EVERYONE outside of the Fab 7 are acting very desperate.
Riful is playing with fire and taking a huge risk with her new hybrid.
Isley is....well.... look at him.
The Orgz has depleted resources and have pushing up untested subjects. Miata is unstable as all get out. Clarice is... well Clarice.
ABs in general. A AB attack on THE major human city is unheard of. Agatha was very bold for that. Surely she'd know that "Someone" would show up to challenge her. Plus Town wipes HAVE to be new, or else more people would know that AB's are more than just normal Yoma, THey look TOTALLY diffrent that the bug eyed freaks. Funny we've not seen a normal one in forever lol. Anyway, at the rate cities are falling, if this were common they're be no civilization left.
Priss ate god knows how many town. The battle to the north wiped one or two out. Ophelia and Clare's mission was in another. Priss ate god knows how many.
And the recent rampages have cut them down more. This a major assault on humanity as a whole. This can't be normal.
Oh man !!
You beat me on crazy ideas ... hahaha !!
I like idea E BTW.
Have fun !
GundamZZ
2009-01-03, 03:18
When did this thread become speculation thread. One speculation from the other language forum is those female zombies crave for Isley's body. It's why Isley look so beat up, beacuse he got gang banged by those zombies. It would be no wonder they are somehow related to claymore warriors. Typical claymore warriors are tall. The tallest girl so far is Galatea(185cm). They can start the vollyball league already.
In addition, the speculation states those zombies still got hot bodies. If you look away from the faces...
...
Pervs... :nono:
Too many ideas for doujin with Isley in it...
...and not enough for Galatea doujin (get crackin'!)...:naughty:
Ancient Soul
2009-01-03, 04:30
...and not enough for Galatea doujin (get crackin'!)...:naughty:
Here is one... ;)
...former Witch's Maw...now Galatea's Maw...
Riful : What are you doing? :twitch:
Galatea : Somehow i find your ribbons very attractive! :p
Riful : ...don't touch me...stay away from me... :help:
Galatea : What are you afraid of...my little Riful... :innocent:
Riful : *censored* :naughty:
...by the way...Dauf was already dead because of the noose bleed... :D
MisterJB
2009-01-03, 07:02
Actually YES. When Isley detroyed half of her she wasn't serious. She was only serious for less than a second when she ripped half of his body.
But that not-serious Priscilla completely destroyed Rigardo and I simply can't see Helen and Deneve beating Rigardo that easily. Weeks ago we were discussing if Miria and Clare could beat Rigardo, now we are already discussing if HELEN and DENEVE can kill ISLEY.
Or maybe Galatea x Isley doujin
With lots of zombie claymore strippers around them
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-03, 08:47
When did this thread become speculation thread. One speculation from the other language forum is those female zombies crave for Isley's body. It's why Isley look so beat up, beacuse he got gang banged by those zombies. It would be no wonder they are somehow related to claymore warriors. Typical claymore warriors are tall. The tallest girl so far is Galatea(185cm). They can start the vollyball league already.
In addition, the speculation states those zombies still got hot bodies. If you look away from the faces...
Hey! :) I was planning on using that in a fan fic episode the other day.
Helen's Apple
2009-01-03, 10:47
Heh, that almost merits a little 4-ko comic, MisterJB.
1st panel: Helen: "OH YES! IT FEELS SO GOOD!"
2nd panel: Deneve: "You'll have to eat guts."
3rd panel: Silence, Helen and Deneve stare at each other.
4th panel: Helen, walking away now normal: "Screw that."
^_^
Cyclone, such creatures goes against Galatea's ideas on beauty! How can we possibly come up with something?
... hm. Maybe, they're Galatea's pet plastic surgery projects, and the veneers and eye reconstruction are very delicate, and must be protected!
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-03, 11:03
Helen: Do these guts still have apples in them, at least?
Deneve: Nope.
*Helen stops mid awakening*
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-03, 11:06
;) So is there a skit with Helen and her apple and Rei Ayanami and her toast?
Helen: Do these guts still have apples in them, at least?
Deneve: Nope.
*Helen stops mid awakening*
heh if anything, that would make helen stop. no way would she awaken if she knew that she'd lose her loving taste for apples :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-03, 12:32
;) So is there a skit with Helen and her apple and Rei Ayanami and her toast?
I just though a good cartoon would be -- too bad I can't draw -- a scene of chibi Helen and Chibi Rei in the lunchroom at school. Helen has a piece of toast packed for her; Rei an apple. They look sad and then exchange. :p
Helen's Apple
2009-01-03, 12:32
I'm working on a Ryuk (from Death Note) and Helen fanfic now. XD
I'm working on a Ryuk (from Death Note) and Helen fanfic now. XD
I think that's a fabulous idea.:)
OMG Where have I been?! Fantastic cliffhanger as usual!
Those zombie like Claymores remind me of The Mourners from Fatal Frame 2.
Eisdrache
2009-01-03, 14:50
I only started reading the manga after the events covered in the anime, so could someone tell me which chapter I can find Priscilla vs Rigardo/Isley? :)
so could someone tell me which chapter I can find Priscilla vs Rigardo/Isley? :)
Extra Scene 3
MisterJB
2009-01-03, 16:30
Yup, Yagi's drawing techniques evolved a lot between volumes 1 and 4... fortunately he managed to erase most of his inconsistences.
BTW, I come here to this post cause the Volume 6 I recently bought in Glènat spanish version has simply get me LOL'd.
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Second bullet. Helen's words (talking about her half-awakening):
- I got carried away and lost control. The impulse to awaken was too strong, just like it was for the males.
Glènat's version:
- Sobrepasé mi límite llevada por la euforia. Estaba con un chico y no pude reprimirme.
that means...
- I surpassed my limits carried away by euphoria. I was with a boy and I couldn't resist.
:twitch: :uhoh: :heh:
Apparently, Helen Awakened while she was with a boy. I guess that explains everything.
Hummm, Claymores can Awaken while having sex... Raki should watchout for that
I would like to post a reminder, seeing this is a rather recurrent issue: Claymore manga happens to be licensed, thus linking (or requesting links) to scanlations is not allowed under any circumstances. Please remember that little detail - i had to delete so many posts over the last few days it is starting to give me a headache. Thank you.
Apparently, Helen Awakened while she was with a boy. I guess that explains everything.
Hummm, Claymores can Awaken while having sex... Raki should watchout for that
Actually, I double checked the raws - that is a huge mistranslation. The english translation is correct and she actually says:
"On the spur of the moment I surpased my limits"
"As with the guys, i couldn't resist the urge to awaken"
The translator botched the: "otokodomo to issho sa"
I think the spanish translator missed the 'sa' part (meaning like or as).
The funniest part of this mistranslation is that 'otokodomo' is clearly plural. Naughty Naughty Helen...
Cheese Ninja
2009-01-03, 18:56
My guess, these zombie claymores were created by the Org to hunt who/whatever has been destroying the southern towns. No idea whether that would be Isley or some other presence, the creature we saw in the mists at the end of chapter 86 looked like it had eyes. Then again, that might just be light reflecting off the stitches keeping the eyelids together, since it looks like the stitches in the mouth are represented in that picture. Well, after typing that out I feel pretty sure it was just these things, even if does look it is wearing a garment at the end of 86.
These things seem to respond to the yoki of awakened/half-awakened beings, since they started salivating when Deneve and Helen released but passed by Dietrich after a few sniffs. Since they seem lobotomized and deprived of their other senses, they probably incur a lot of collateral damage, so the Org has ostensibly distanced themselves from these creations.
I'm a bit uncertain as to whether Isley was broadcasting his yoki so strongly because he wanted to be found or because of recent extensive use of his abilities. The later explains his poor showing against Helen and Deneve and could be explained by the constant pursuit of the Zombie Claymores.
If this becomes a three way brawl between Helen/Deneve, Isley, and the ZCs, I think the first two will be escaping their separate ways.
Tevourious
2009-01-03, 20:24
[QUOTE=MisterJB;2140603]But that not-serious Priscilla completely destroyed Rigardo and I simply can't see Helen and Deneve beating Rigardo that easily. Weeks ago we were discussing if Miria and Clare could beat Rigardo, now we are already discussing if HELEN and DENEVE can kill ISLEY.
LOL true true.
Perhaps we're all just giving Isley, Priss and the gang far to much credit LOL :P Perhaps Isley was simply more powerful than Rigardo, not so much, but a obvious amount. Then Priss a measure stronger than Isley.
NAAAAHHH I still think he's messed up and just haven't recovered yet.
If Helen and Deneve remotely posed a threat to Isley, I would /ragequit !:frustrated:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-03, 21:37
My guess, these zombie claymores were created by the Org to hunt who/whatever has been destroying the southern towns. No idea whether that would be Isley or some other presence, the creature we saw in the mists at the end of chapter 86 looked like it had eyes. Then again, that might just be light reflecting off the stitches keeping the eyelids together, since it looks like the stitches in the mouth are represented in that picture. Well, after typing that out I feel pretty sure it was just these things, even if does look it is wearing a garment at the end of 86..
noppers, your guess is already way off based on what Dietrich -- at least in the chinese to english translations -- said so far.
if those zombies are "the third stage" we should really call them "devils" ... "demon" is already taken by "Yoma", which means exactly that ... and the other one sounds a lot more impressing. Yoma/Demons are more like the weakest in the whole "food chain" ;)
Jump Square isn't out until tomorrow. Usually it's out on the 4th, but this month on the 5th. Because of new year I suppose (I'll still take a look if there are some conbini who put it on the shelves a bit too early).
For now my theory is that those zombies are one way/test of the org to get back the control over awakened beings ... but not too sure, since they seemed to be more concentrated on the soul link stuff.
A lot of it is still so confusing and doesnt make sense at all! But this also reminded me of the early chapter where Claire tries to wash off the scent of youma blood off her, and Rubil tells her that the smell is coming from her own body. Before that she smelled youma on Raki as well, which led her to the monster. So I guess, claymores sniff out youma after all, and not "sence" it. So, back to the zombies, if they are created by the org, they have their sight and taste removed so they can smell youma better? So they are good youki detectors? So good thet they, presumably, can tell a claymore from a human or a youma?
Another point, is that we dont know whether Dietrich meant that the zombies destroyed towns, there were other, preious, instances where whole towns were decimated by youma: town in full of youma where Pricilla is introduced as the new #2, and the town that was destroyed by the tentacled AB that was killed by Ophelia.
zato_1one
2009-01-04, 04:13
After reading the translation, so it was actually Helen who felt desperate and despair. :twitch: Really not look like that to me. :eyespin:
Hmm... When I think about it. The situation which lower the capability of characters actually happened many times in various ways or circumstances. And it affected the outcome. :eyebrow:
- Teresa dropped her guard.
- AB Ophelia gave up her life and let Clare won on purpose.
- Duff fought in narrow cave and he couldn't move freely.
- Rigaldo had only one arm.
I think this should be the case too.
Perhaps Isley is just weakened from fighting the Zombies. Chances are they've been hounding him for a while, who knows how many their are. He coulda just been overwhelmed, hence his weakened state. So he's hiding out to recover when the Helen and D arrive. He assumes they're part of the group that unleashed the Zombies, hence his sour attitude when facing them. Also, our ladies are strong yes, but I agree, Helen going strong against Isley is out of form LOL Clare, or Miria yes, Helen eeeehh not so much so? Something's goin on.
My money is on that Isley's had his ass kicked and hasn't recovered yet. if not the Zombie's then perhaps by Priss which would explain why she's not with him.
Yeah, I agree. I believe that Isley is in weak state right now. He may not be able to use his full power. But I think I understand now why Isley is so angry. If I'm stalked by these creepy looking girl in everywhere I go. I will definitely go insane. :heh:
Another reason is that Isley couldn't fight effectively because he couldn't feel Helen's yoki. We will see if this is true or not because both Helen&Deneve has already released their yoki.
For the devil, I think they can transform their body into weapon. And it may be a reason why they barely wear anything. It looks like whoever created them didn't bother to buy special cloth like Alicia&Beth. :D
Edit:
Woot! Mod posted in Claymore thread!
if those zombies are "the third stage" we should really call them "devils" ... "demon" is already taken by "Yoma", which means exactly that ... and the other one sounds a lot more impressing. Yoma/Demons are more like the weakest in the whole "food chain" ;)
I disagree. Let's be consistant and just call them 'akuma' and leave the footnote. Afterall, we call youma 'youma' and it's not causing me to lose any sleep over it. The other reason I say this is that cultural differences conjur different imagery to different cultures.
For example, in Bleach shinigami literarly does indeed mean 'death god', but due to the Japan's polytheistic religous heritage (from Shinto), I feel it's an awful translation. They are not 'gods' as westerners come to think of them. Closest western equivalent is "the grim reaper", but even there, there is only one (and is quite a bit stronger). That's why 'soul reaper' is not a bad translation - especially for a dub.
Similarly, you say the word 'devil' to an English speaker, you conjur imagery of a red skinned, horned guy, with a tail and a hoof and holding a trident. This is clearly not the imagery that occurs for the japanese when they hear 'akuma'.
It's best to leave it untranslated I think.
yezhanquan
2009-01-04, 05:15
Somehow, the term "akuma" conjures up images of D.Grayman in my mind.
MisterJB
2009-01-04, 07:25
LOL true true.
Perhaps we're all just giving Isley, Priss and the gang far to much credit LOL :P Perhaps Isley was simply more powerful than Rigardo, not so much, but a obvious amount. Then Priss a measure stronger than Isley.
NAAAAHHH I still think he's messed up and just haven't recovered yet.
well, Rigardo said that Isley was much faster than him and being RIgardo an AB who relies on speed, I guess we can conclude that Isley was much stronger than him.
That AB that attacked Dauff and Riful said that Rigardo challenged Isley but was completely defeated.
Also, Riful said that Priscilla was much stronger than the Abyssal Ones
zato_1one
2009-01-04, 08:43
I would like to call it devil like shrimpy translation. Just want to use new term. :D
Judging from Helen&Deneve statement, I think it's clear that they can't fight Isley and they've already prepared to die.
But it really wasn't looked like that way if I didn't read the text. :twitch:
Ancient Soul
2009-01-04, 13:37
Last time we saw The 7 Ghosts running from Riful.Now we got the chance to see two half-awkened at full power against Isley.But the ZG are just across the street and most likely they will broke the fight. :mad:
We should not forget Dietrich.Is like that the "show" is set for a LOYAL claymore of The ORG to see : half-awakeneds, ZG and Abyssals at the same place in a fight to the death!I see her reporting ASAP to The ORG about was happened.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-04, 16:26
Dietrich is not as loyal to the org as she says she is. That is unless you consider the whole, hey you two are kidnapping me -- no ifs, ands; and buts about it -- as an excuse to go AWOL.
Negativedark
2009-01-04, 21:15
Dietrich is honest not loyal.
And we have a name to call them. Zombie Claymore Strippers :p.
I wonder if it's those Claymore Zombie Strippers on the inside cover of volume 14? I thought it was Alicia and Beth until now ... but ... maybe oO
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-01-04, 22:04
I thought they were Zombie Amazon Claymore Strippers...
I thought they were Zombie Amazon Claymore Strippers...
Something like that.:):);)
theevilanimal
2009-01-04, 22:35
lol, ZACS xD
sorry about the unsubstancial post ^__^
Synyster
2009-01-05, 01:45
I was expecting a new year special or something, but we just got a very short chapter.I liked it but I think, being a Claymore hardcore fan, that the zombie girls thing was too much. Maybe we will get a very interesting twist in the story again (Yagi never dissapoint us).
Anyway, I really think that Isley was playing with Helen. Even she's so damn strong now (and so Deneve is), there's no way she can defeat him.
Letting my imagination go I'm thinking about Claire arriving to the town and helping Helen and Deneve against Isley and the zombie girls. And then Raki arriving and saving Isleys' ass (but I'm still thinking that there's no way that Isley can be defeated by the ghosts, maybe in his human form yes), that would be so fucking interesting hahah.
I was expecting a new year special or something, but we just got a very short chapter.I liked it but I think, being a Claymore hardcore fan, that the zombie girls thing was too much. Maybe we will get a very interesting twist in the story again (Yagi never dissapoint us).
Anyway, I really think that Isley was playing with Helen. Even she's so damn strong now (and so Deneve is), there's no way she can defeat him.
Letting my imagination go I'm thinking about Claire arriving to the town and helping Helen and Deneve against Isley and the zombie girls. And then Raki arriving and saving Isleys' ass (but I'm still thinking that there's no way that Isley can be defeated by the ghosts, maybe in his human form yes), that would be so fucking interesting hahah.
I'll forgive Yagi the shorter chapter. Afterall, he had to make a color cover for this month's Jump SQ issue, as well as a color postcard extra for the magazine. Can't wait for my copy to finally arrive...
I was expecting a new year special or something, but we just got a very short chapter.I liked it but I think, being a Claymore hardcore fan, that the zombie girls thing was too much. Maybe we will get a very interesting twist in the story again (Yagi never dissapoint us).
Anyway, I really think that Isley was playing with Helen. Even she's so damn strong now (and so Deneve is), there's no way she can defeat him.
Letting my imagination go I'm thinking about Claire arriving to the town and helping Helen and Deneve against Isley and the zombie girls. And then Raki arriving and saving Isleys' ass (but I'm still thinking that there's no way that Isley can be defeated by the ghosts, maybe in his human form yes), that would be so fucking interesting hahah.
I don't know I liked the zombie girls I think they open up alot of possibilities story wise.
As for Claire turning up I highly doubt it she's in the west and the fights in the south if anything some of the hints are pointing towards a show down between Claire and Riful, if anyone at all shows up to help them (which I don't think will happen) it'll be Miria and Tabitha.
everytime i pop a Zombies head in CoD5, it will put me heart at ease knowing that i do my part in making the Ghost 7 job that much easier.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/dunames_valkyria/claymore.jpg
This was a worthy chapter to start the year for Claymore.
zato_1one
2009-01-05, 05:46
I like these zombie girls actually. What a weird idea. Very weird fanservice. LOL Last chapter, it had a hint that the devil was something new, neither awaken nor claymore. And it turns out to be zombie. :twitch:
When you mentioned Amazon, I always think about Diablo 2. She's my second favorite character. :D Using hit and run strategy is vital. Now when I think about it, Helen's skill is exactly like Amazon with homing missile and exploding arrow. That may be a reason why I like Helen's fighting style in this chapter so much. Range attack characters have higher chance to survive (if you can maintain the distance) and also cause more damage. :cool:
If Isley turns into AB then he can use multi-shot combine with homing missile and piercing attack. That's very deadly weapon. :eyespin:
Gundam Pilot 2008
2009-01-05, 06:51
O.o Thats just crazy enough to work!! LOL. Those things could be from any number of sources
Notice that EVERYONE outside of the Fab 7 are acting very desperate.
Riful is playing with fire and taking a huge risk with her new hybrid.
Isley is....well.... look at him.
The Orgz has depleted resources and have pushing up untested subjects. Miata is unstable as all get out. Clarice is... well Clarice.
So Awesome!!
In my opinion, the fusion of Raphaela and Luciela shall be stronger than Riful, but not as powerful as Priscilla. Riful and Dauf would be defeated by them. I hope the emotional couple would survive :)
The combining of Raphaela and Luciela could be physically invulnerable, but they could be mentally unstable, lingering between the human side and the Yoma side. You see. The willpower and memory of Raphaela would exist in their head.
Recently, Priscilla is being on a diet. Skinny Priscilla is getting weak, so she is no match for Isley anymore. As a result, Isley has been the awakened with strongest power, again. If there is a possibility to overwhelm his status of No.1, Zombie Claymores could be the uncertain factors.
Raki has been grown-up and getting tougher and stronger. Who is his master? Isley? Priscilla? Or someone else from the exterior land? I hope he will meet Claire and settle the hatred between her and Priscilla, because Priscilla’s awakening was an accident and she was a victim, as well.
Claire is so cold and quiet, but Raki’s enthusiasm will affect her, so she will realize living for love instead of living for revenge. I guess that Priscilla will become a little sis of Raki. I firmly believe that the eating habits of the awakened could be changed bit by bit. The internal organ will not be the only food they consume.
somoene did a scantilation...a few interesting tidbits...they call iseley a "former abyssal one" ..poor guy, he must be pretty upset. Bu the ZCS are called exterminators, it's in the chapter title....dont know how accurate the translation is, but pretty interesting...
Here's the translation based on the Japanese raw. Sorry for any grammar and spelling mistakes ^^;
Chapter 87 - The return of the "exterminators"
Dietrich: The devils ... have come back.
Nor a Yoma, nor an Awakened Being:
The third monstrous/grotesque Being: Devils
Dietrich: Damn, such "perfect" timing ... at this rate ...
(one of the devils discovers her, "sniffs" her and then walks away)
Dietrich: *gasp* *breathes heavily*
Dietrich: Incredible, they came back from "over there" this fast ...
Dietrich: This way ... is yet another town going to disappear?
- scene changes to Isley and Helen, they're fighting -
Townsfolk: What!? The town is ... run away! get away from here!
Isley: Damn
Isley: You ... being this agitated with hidden Yoki...
-gets hit by Helen-
Isley: *cough*/*gasp*
Helen: *breathes heavily*
Isley: Y... You ....
- his hand gets split in two -
Isley: gaaah!! *screams a lot*
Helen: Shit.
Helen: What's this ... what the hell is this?!
Helen: Getting this far/Doing all this (to him) ...
Helen: and the one who's going to die is still me?!
Helen: No matter how much I cut him...
Helen: No matter how much of his body I destroy...
Helen: I don't feel like I'll be able to beat him, not in the slightest.
Helen: And what's more, where my blade touches his body ... I feel that his blade becomes an even stronger force and rebounds back into me ...
Helen: This is not funny at all, Big sis Miria.
Helen: We were going to fight against this kind of an opponent?!
Helen: We don't even have the slightest chance at all ...
Helen: This is my fault though ... that's what you get for moving out of curiosity...
Helen: I'm sorry ... Big Sis Miria ...
Helen: Seems like we're going to perish here...
-Isley hits back-
Isley: !
Isley: Damn...
-Deneves saves Helen-
Helen: Deneve!!
Deneve: What are you doing ...
Deneve: You want to die?
Deneve: I really was badly injured ...
Deneve: Like back then I had to go over my limit to heal myself ...
Deneve: Therefore, it's now impossible to run away while hiding my Yoki.
Deneve: I'll distract him and you get out of here somehow.
Helen: You...
Helen: complete Idiot!
Helen: That's my line!
Helen: Why didn't you just continue to sleep! He thought he had killed you and was focused completely on me!
Deneve: You're the idiot.
Deneve: You think I could just lie there, while you were about to be killed?
Deneve: Use your head a bit.
Helen: And you think I'd to leave him to you alone and run away?! Are you crazy?
Deneve: !
-Helen releases her Yoki-
Helen: Heh...
Helen: Releasing my Yoki after 7 years makes my blood boil!
Deneve: ...
Deneve: You really are an idiot...
Helen: Same to you!
Helen: This is our old calamitous bound I guess ...
Isley: !
Deneve: Well, it started with the two of us.
Deneve: Ending it with the two of us ...
Deneve: isn't all that bad either.
-we see the devils entering the town. caption says: The devils' invasion?!
I really hate the use of words "that" or "there" in manga...i dont know whether this is specific to the japanese language or just yagi's preference..but this damn manga is full of nondescript phrases
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