Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[King Lycan]

Finally Some clannad after 3 weeks :(

[serenade_beta]

Good for you, Nagisa! :T_T::T_T::T_T:
May there be happiness for the couple~! :T_T:

Meanwhile, I am... Haa... :sad:
Need a Nagisa...

ED... read the mood a bit...

Aa... No more... Speechless... :T_T:

[SidVicious]

Looks like more lights have been added.

And i finally can see my Nagisa again! :D

[Vegard Aune]

I just couldn't wait for the subs for this episode... Three weeks is way too long as it is, so I watched the Raw.

...So, I guess the term "best episode ever" would indeed fit my feelings on this episode pretty well. And once again, I have to praise the music-composers, or rather, I have to say that Jun Maeda's music is absolutely incredible. Distant Years is my single favourite piece of music on the soundtrack, and finally getting to hear it in the anime was utterly incredible.

Also, seeing Nagisa getting drunk was really funny, due to how extremely out of character it seemed for her to act that way. :heh:

[Lukix]

Gotta love that episode, especially nagisa expression when she drunk
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[Ithekro]

Sort of have been waiting for drunk Nagisa.

[SeedFreedom]

Drunken Nagisa FTW.

[rave_master16]

Love the episode.
~The test of Father-in-law to his son-in-law for the hand of Nagisa. I love how serious Tomoya about this.
~Again the Christmas Eve Nagisa's Birthday. Love how every Christmas, plus one Dango.
~Nagisa's poor health. T_T.
~Graduation. And Nagisa's speech. ~_~ ;_; T_T
~And finally, holding hands. How sweet it is.
Nagisa=Cute~~~~~~~!!!!
Nagisa's drunk mode = Hot~~~~~~!!!!!

[MeoTwister5]

Ah screw it I'm downloading the RAW. I'll just remember the dialogue in the game while the episode plays so I can understand what's going on.

[Leo_Otaku]

Such a great episode was worth the 2 weeks wait.

Tomoya's face in the rain was so great. I loved his expressioin. And to that the droplets were beautiful too. I was wondering if they would includce drunk Nagisa too XD The ceremony was done so wellmy eyes began to water >.< I liked how they made her mature looking when they went to see his father again. Of course i cried at the end. I agree with Vegard on the piece, it was really amazing seeing it with the animation and dialouge

[Yushi]

I was grinning all the way through the second part of the episode~ ^_^
Clannad reminds me of how important friends are (even though their theme is family). Even if you are 'seperated' from them after graduation, it doesn't mean they are gone. Real friends will always come back when you need them T^T I think that's the 'real' kind of friends. You don't need to hang out everyday or talk on the phone all the time in order to feel 'close' to them. They are just ....there with you.
Clannad has turned me into a sap!! :D

[Ithekro]

That makes me want to see what Mai Nakahara could do with a drunk, happy, Rena Ryuguu.

[mit7059]

I really enjoyed this episode, it was worth it after the long break. Whenever I watch an episode like this I end up thinking, 'Damn, it's over already?' I'm very interested in seeing what happens in the next episode as it looks like they're going to bridge the sex issue. BTW have Tomoya and Nagisa even kissed? Am I the only one who would find it weird that they would live together and then get married without ever having kissed?

Oh and drunk Nagisa was amazing, as was drunk Sanae

[Sheba]

Well, that was a nice episode.




- Ah, sports. That's quite a staple in the series.

- Drunk Nagisa and Sanae ftw.

- To me, the part that rang right with me was when Tomoya phone called Sunohara.

- Graduation ceremony made my throat hurt.

- I was not surprised at the absence of ceremony for the marriage. This happened to my parents who only officially registered their marriage back in 1986. I am assuming that making a formal marriage celebration like we see in movies or series is pretty much a no-no for the couple, because of the financial costs. (my friend's marriage cost him about what? 10000 euros if I remember right, if not more. He worked hard with his soon-to-be wife to pool all the money, with a little help from his both families. It was registering the marriage in the town hall, then registering it in the local church, then celebrating in a rented Renaissance manor, inviting the friends from highschool, and the families, AND the meals. Did I mention the hotels he paid for us?).

[Momosan]

The title of the Episode should've read as, "A Return to Normalcy". That being said, the graduation ceremony seemed pretty weak to me. Rest of the show was entertaining though.

[Kikuchi]

Didn't like the ep so much. Both the baseball game and the graduation ceremony looked kinda dull to me.
Dunno if people will agree with me though.

[Mecha_Trueno]

LOL just like everyone else, for me the drinking scene made my day:D. Especially when Nagisa popped out the 'forbidden question' (I wonder if that thought has always been eating her on the inside:heh:), then Akio feeling threated after Sanae said "I'm not teasing him at all, I'm serious" was golden!:D
EDIT: btw, did this part happen in the game?

And hey, Shinpachi Sunohara finally gets some screen time again!
... "you're telling me to get fired?!":D

[MeoTwister5]

Sprocket subs are out, if anyone cares.

[Momosan]

Didn't like the ep so much. Both the baseball game and the graduation ceremony looked kinda dull to me.
Dunno if people will agree with me though.

The batting scenes I actually enjoyed since it's what Tomoya's character is all about. The graduation scene was wasted airtime though. Everyone dropped their schedules to stand around and listen to Nagisa explain the obvious? Seemed like more should've happened in that scene.

[Ottocycle]

The batting scenes I actually enjoyed since it's what Tomoya's character is all about. The graduation scene was wasted airtime though. Everyone dropped their schedules to stand around and listen to Nagisa explain the obvious? Seemed like more should've happened in that scene.
Blame it on culture differences. Japanese culture has a certain fixation with the symbolic. We aren't the intended demographic, so there you have it.

[Momosan]

What is the symbollism that I missed? I assume you mean that a graduation ceremony is important in Japan. That I can understand. Gathering everyone I can understand. Telling everyone a story that they are already familiar with? That I don't understand. It's an anime, they have free reign of creative license. I was really expecting something more emotional than Nagisa talking about being sick and how she'll miss school.

I find it difficult to believe that the Japanese would find that scene emotionally involving, but I don't know Japanese intricacies like that so I could very well be wrong.

[Klashikari]

I wonder if you did pay attention to what Nagisa became over the course of the past...35 episodes.
She has so many hardship in finally getting graduated for the year she had to do thrice. Not only that, but her efforts were quite limited and she were "literally stuck" in time, as she couldn't go on. (Reference to her question "do you like school", with things that cannot stay the same, back in episode 1).

The whole speech itself has quite a symbolism how she was able to go on, thanks to Tomoya and everyone else. She could enjoy her third grade and finally get herself in society for good.

The whole graduation itself exposes her feelings and has a representation of how her life went. Some people would brush off as it might be just a sheet of paper to receive at a nameless graduation ceremony.
But for Nagisa, it was something she had it quite at heart, despite doing this thrice (and considering the reasons why she failed twice were out of her own responsibility, it adds more bitter and unfair flavor, yet she still face what she has to do, without lamenting or going frustrated over it).

This is the reason why Tomoya prepared such graduation: Nagisa is probably the one who wished to be graduated the most. After so many difficult time, she managed to do that, but fail to have a proper ceremony. A way to express and "reward" her resolve and also enjoy what she couldn't do thrice, with everyone around her.

That is probably one of the most important part of her life, and Tomoya and the rest figured out that much. I fail to see how this graduation was "meaningless", due to the high symbolism shared by all attendants.

[Ottocycle]

35, Klash, 35. But anyway, that was a good post.

Also, what's a ceremony without the companions who have gone through the road known as high school with her? She certainly didn't complete her attendance for that year without anyone's support.

And finally, I find it difficult to believe that the Japanese would find that scene emotionally involving, but I don't know Japanese intricacies like that so I could very well be wrong.
You're finding it difficult to believe because, you are putting the Japanese audience in your shoes, and not yourself in theirs. Japanese society, though renowned for being efficient, should not be considered utilitarian by any standard.

[velvet]

I believe my heart skipped its regular beating at least twice,

- Please let me take care of Nagisa! -

I braced myself for the impact, and it simply had no effect. Once again damn*t negau Ga kanau Basho ni.

And the moment I hear, Okazaki Nagisa.
Life is beautiful.

Omedetto Nagisa, you were the girl standing at the bottom of the hill.
And you fought really hard.

Still waiting for

Watashi, Furukawa Nagisa wa, Mou nakimasen.

Hoping for it at the next episode.

[velvet]

What is the symbollism that I missed? I assume you mean that a graduation ceremony is important in Japan. That I can understand. Gathering everyone I can understand. Telling everyone a story that they are already familiar with? That I don't understand. It's an anime, they have free reign of creative license. I was really expecting something more emotional than Nagisa talking about being sick and how she'll miss school.
I find it difficult to believe that the Japanese would find that scene emotionally involving, but I don't know Japanese intricacies like that so I could very well be wrong.

She was talking about all the suffering she had to go through in her 5 years at high school.

Who cares?

What I care is the fact, that, despite all that, she still loved the 5 years she went through, no matter the pain.

- ... that there is nothing that can replace my school life here.-

- ... it's a school that I love so much. Because it's the place I've worked so hard at.-

Now let's see. This could be done without Nagisa re telling the whole story of her hardships, true.
Any other suggestions?
Anything else would be fine as long as it ends with that lines above.
Yep, the important fact that Nagisa, despite her pain, never regretted a single seconds in her school life. ;)

And what's with the title?

[Kristen]

Best episode of the entire series. Only one that comes close is season 1 episode 14.

Initially, they have my favorite scene from the game, where it's Akio v. Tomoya. And they did the silence after Tomoya asked for Nagisa's hand in marriage. But, I was angry that they didn't keep Akio's line, my favorite in the game "Idiot, I told you I'd grant you whatever you want. I agreed the moment you asked. Get off the ground." Ah well, can't have everything.
And then they did the graduation, which I was surprised at, but they still managed to do it very well.

But, and episode that got me choked up twice deserves a 10/10. Unfortunately they did not do a new ED, so now the ED is going to get really awkward, IMHO.

[Momosan]

Did the people around her doubt the fact that she liked school? I don't think any of the characters suspected her of resenting school seeing as how her parents were fine with her not completing it (IIRC). The audience should've had the ability to understand what was said without it being said at all. Spoon feeding it to me kinda ruined the entire thing.

Also, I never said it was meaningless. I said it was wasted airtime. I understood the point of the scene. That doesn't mean it realized its full potential. After watching it I was like, "What, that's it?"

[Solafighter]

Finaly episode 13~~~~ :eyespin:

[Proto]

Just think of it as a long, yet honest and heartful way of thanking all the people who made her graduation possible.

As Tomoya put it later: And with this, Nagisa's long, long school life finally finished. You ought to put some kind on ribbon on that. Nagisa's speech served that function.

[MeoTwister5]

An excellent episode, but I'll probably be the dissenter here and say this isn't the best episode of the series to date, maybe around the third best definitely in my opinion. The best one is still episode 12 of AS.

And moving on....

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Baseball in the rain. I hate the sport with a stupid passion, but I can't imagine how difficult it must be to play that in the rain. Above anything, the challenge was really nothing more than a customary proof of determination. I doubt Akio really wouldn't have consented to letting Tomoya and Nagisa get married if he didn't hit the ball.

It's really more a trial of passage, whether or not he even hit the thing. I don't know how much proof Akio needs, but I believe all he wanted was to see just how a serious Tomoya was in asking his blessing to marry her. It was more of the multiple challenges Tomoya requested, as well as all the practice he did even in the rain just to learn how to swing better.

Akio said it best I think: "A child trying to grow up".

No doubt he still sees him as some kid trying to steal his daughter, but he definitely knows just how much growing Tomoya had already done. Baseball was merely a formality, trying to see just how much Tomoya has learned and how much he was determined to be with the woman he loved. He could have opted the child's way out, in the form of backing out, childish excuses and the like, but clearly it didn't cross his mind. He knew it was obviously impossible for him to hit that 105kph fastball with his broken arm, but if it was the only way for him to grant his wish, he'd do it even if it really was impossible.

I think Akio let him hit it, even in the game. Shoulder muscle injuries make ridiculous limits to ones arm capabilities. I'd guess he let him hit it to give him a sense of satisfaction, so that he'd have a chance to state is request for Nagisa's hand in marriage, to which Akio would have said yes to anyway. It's a guy thing lol.

"Do you like school?"

She never really definitively answered the question in episode 1, but I'm sure on the day of her mock graduation, she would have answered very differently. High school will have both some of the best and some of the worst memories one will have.

Her speech, while somewhat corny, is her vindication of sorts to the 5 years she had to spend as pretty much an outcast. Sickly, bad at making friends, awkward and clumsy, she asks herself the question on that April morning at the bottom of the hill. She is unsure of what the answer is, and she only does it so she could pull herself through the day, besides the Anpan anyway.

"Then make it fun."

She said so herself. The last 2 years of her high school life saw a drastic change in her person and her life. All because some blue haired delinquent offered to answer her rhetorical question with a challenge.

And there she finds the strength to admit on her graduation speech that somehow, despite the loneliness and isolation she had always felt, she finally felt some measure of happiness and enjoyment in her last 2 senior years. The drama club, the friends she made, the challenges she faced, the sick days she endured...

And, of course, the man she would eventually marry.

Because of Tomoya and her friends, she doesn't regret the days of ups and downs she spent in those hallways. On the final day of her wearing her uniform, she could easily say that, indeed, high school made her happy.

I don't know if it's because I've played the game, but Tomoya's father's expression of an almost empty and emotionless smile isn't really disconcerting. He had always been like that, visually at least, as far as the series and the game presented him to be. If my experiences has taught me anything, it's always these kinds of people who have a lot of things sealed away inside.

"Please take care of Tomoya."

You usually don't expect to hear the groom's father say this, almost as if to relinquish he stewardship of his son to his wife. Then again, how much of a father was he to begin with? Not much, as we tend to see.

But he gives him up to her, almost as if he's acknowledging his failure as a father, as a parent. It is almost like... penance of sorts.

I should also say that the game didn't have a wedding scene so I doubt we'll have one here. Then again, are marriages really all about tearjerking ceremonies, cake cutting and bouquet throwing? Or is it about the union of two humans in a (hopefully) unbreakable bond, beyond life, even beyond death?

And finally, I had a huge freakish smile on my face when he said she'd be "Okazaki Nagisa" from now on.:heh:

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KyotoAni can still keep the same ED for the next 2 or 3 episodes, but they definitely need to change it after that. It's going to be really out of place after then.

[Sheba]

Of out of place EDs, people who watched Nanoha S1 can tell you how the ED was equally out of place when the whole atmosphere took a darker turn.





Hearing Tamura's "A Little wish" cast unease after an episode featuring Fate abuse by her mom

[velvet]

Best episode of the entire series. Only one that comes close is season 1 episode 14.

Initially, they have my favorite scene from the game, where it's Akio v. Tomoya. And they did the silence after Tomoya asked for Nagisa's hand in marriage. But, I was angry that they didn't keep Akio's line, my favorite in the game "Idiot, I told you I'd grant you whatever you want. I agreed the moment you asked. Get off the ground." Ah well, can't have everything.
And then they did the graduation, which I was surprised at, but they still managed to do it very well.

But, and episode that got me choked up twice deserves a 10/10. Unfortunately they did not do a new ED, so now the ED is going to get really awkward, IMHO.

Another missing line. Ah, let's pray it won't happen again. (least not too much):upset:



"Do you like school?"

She never really definitively answered the question in episode 1, but I'm sure on the day of her mock graduation, she would have answered very differently. High school will have both some of the best and some of the worst memories one will have.

Her speech, while somewhat corny, is her vindication of sorts to the 5 years she had to spend as pretty much an outcast. Sickly, bad at making friends, awkward and clumsy, she asks herself the question on that April morning at the bottom of the hill. She is unsure of what the answer is, and she only does it so she could pull herself through the day, besides the Anpan anyway.


Yes, this is the right word, thank you. All those speeches.

At the bottom of the hill, a girl asked herself,

- Do you like school? -

5 years later, on the top of the hill, she answered.

-... it's a school that I love so much. Because it's the place I've worked so hard at.-

It was an answer she came up.
This time around with all her confidence.


And finally, I had a huge freakish smile on my face when he said she'd be "Okazaki Nagisa" from now on.:heh:


Cheers. ;)

[Jimmy C]

Not 5 years, 2 years. Unless she also asked that when she first started.

[Kinny Riddle]

Besides the mood and quality of the story, one thing that distinguishes After Story from School Life is the music. It is just so much more solemn and heart warming than the lively and casual music we've been hearing before.

While the concept of the unwilling future father-in-law in letting go of his beloved daughter by setting up a challenge for his prospective son-in-law is cliche, Akio remains GAR and graceful all the way, including coming to terms with accepting this brat as his son-in-law.

Nagisa drunk is so kawaii. Enough said. :love:

It was a joy to see the graduation scene, this time with Kotomi and Yukine, as well as Nishina and her choir club, thus making it even more complete.

Nagisa can count herself lucky with such great friends, willing to take time off just for her "graduation". Especially Kotomi, who flew back from her studies in America just for this. Then again, this took place sometime after the official graduation in March/April, so Kotomi probably took advantage of the long Easter Vacation schools offer there.

(Still, LOL'ed at Tomoya saying "That's too bad" when Sunohara says he might get fired if he just skip work to help out Nagisa. Second LOL goes to Sunohara's unbleached hair, though that was blunted by the fact we've all seen Sunohara unbleached in the Tomoyo special DVD episode. )

It's probably Nagisa's insistence that they get to visit Tomoya's father again so she could meet her father-in-law. While it is slow, Nagisa's effort may eventually pave the way for reconciliation between father and son.

Finally, Nagisa seems to have matured a lot not just mentally, but physically as well into a beautiful woman when she tied her hair back. Let's all say hi to Mrs Okazaki.

Baseball in the rain. I hate the sport with a stupid passion, but I can't imagine how difficult it must be to play that in the rain. Above anything, the challenge was really nothing more than a customary proof of determination. I doubt Akio really wouldn't have consented to letting Tomoya and Nagisa get married if he didn't hit the ball.

It's really more a trial of passage, whether or not he even hit the thing. I don't know how much proof Akio needs, but I believe all he wanted was to see just how a serious Tomoya was in asking his blessing to marry her. It was more of the multiple challenges Tomoya requested, as well as all the practice he did even in the rain just to learn how to swing better.

Akio said it best I think: "A child trying to grow up".

No doubt he still sees him as some kid trying to steal his daughter, but he definitely knows just how much growing Tomoya had already done. Baseball was merely a formality, trying to see just how much Tomoya has learned and how much he was determined to be with the woman he loved. He could have opted the child's way out, in the form of backing out, childish excuses and the like, but clearly it didn't cross his mind. He knew it was obviously impossible for him to hit that 105kph fastball with his broken arm, but if it was the only way for him to grant his wish, he'd do it even if it really was impossible.

I think Akio let him hit it, even in the game. Shoulder muscle injuries make ridiculous limits to ones arm capabilities. I'd guess he let him hit it to give him a sense of satisfaction, so that he'd have a chance to state is request for Nagisa's hand in marriage, to which Akio would have said yes to anyway. It's a guy thing lol.



Couldn't have said it better myself. He was purposefully giving a huge handicap for himself in such heavy rain, knowing the ball would be slowed enough in such conditions for Tomoya to hit it.

Speaking of rain, besides adapting a good story, and near-consistent animation (with few, though harmless, flaws). if it is something Kyoto Animation that does as good as those, it is animating water, IMHO. Look at how thick the rain is surrounding the characters. I swore I was just gazing at the constant rain splattering off their heads and shoulders for some time. :D

LOL just like everyone else, for me the drinking scene made my day:D. Especially when Nagisa popped out the 'forbidden question' (I wonder if that thought has always been eating her on the inside:heh:), then Akio feeling threated after Sanae said "I'm not teasing him at all, I'm serious" was golden!:D
EDIT: btw, did this part happen in the game?

Yes, it's all from the game, word for word. Including Akio's quip that Sanae had "huge boobs".

Nagisa reveals her true fears while drunk: She knows her biggest adversary for Tomoya is none other than her mother! And if done properly, Sanae might be even swayed to Tomoya's side, making Akio feel very, very threatened indeed. Father and daughter may have to join forces to prevent an unwanted harem from forming. :cool:

Oh, and before I forget: A big Welcome to Dango Mk II. :heh:

[Ascaloth]

Episode 13 article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 13 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1347)

It's a good episode, but it's a testament to the power of Ep12 that even this pales in comparison. I'll give this an 8.

[Ithekro]

That minute and a half of drunk Nagisa/Sanae makes it worth it.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Yes, it's all from the game, word for word. Including Akio's quip that Sanae had "huge boobs".

Nagisa reveals her true fears while drunk: She knows her biggest adversary for Tomoya is none other than her mother!HELL YEAH! she KNOWS it. Come on, finding out that Sanae isn't a winnable charatcer in the game was the sole reason i didn't bother playing it.


And if done properly, Sanae might be even swayed to Tomoya's side, making Akio feel very, very threatened indeed. Father and daughter may have to join forces to prevent an unwanted harem from forming. :cool:Now THAT would be a nice harem! Having Sanae-san in the pack:naughty:

[Beo]

Do not think its insecurity at all, it more like possessiveness. It was like her saying that this is mine, any other woman is not allowed to flirt, including mother, with him. Her mother knew what was going on and was teasing her a bit.

For those who have not gone through it, a newly engaged girl is scary. I walked around for about a year looking at the ground to make sure I saw nothing from her perspective; I was never one to looking around anyway.

[Change of Pace]

Okazaki Nagisa looks the splitting image of Sanae. Very cute, in a much more mature way than before. Approved!

Also, the preview had me cracking up. *Whistles* It's about time, Tomoya...

[Mecha_Trueno]

Do not think its insecurity at all, it more like possessiveness. It was like her saying that this is mine, any other woman is not allowed to flirt, including mother, with him. Her mother knew what was going on and was teasing her a bit.I believe its more like she KNOWS how freaking hot her mum is:naughty:


Also, the preview had me cracking up. *Whistles* It's about time, Tomoya...LOL, yes the preview was fun. Tomoya's reaction SO reminded me of Alto (Macross F) for some reason:heh:

[Ithekro]

Nagisa:
A girl who is kind and understanding....I want one.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Don't we all.

[BigJimmy]

Not trying to sound new-agey or anything (if that's the approriate term), but am I the only one nonplussed at the fact that two people have got married despite the fact that they've never even kissed :twitch: That's gotta be worth some ribbing from the guys in work!

[Klashikari]

The thing is that it is heavily implied they kissed already. That said, it seems the scripters decided they didn't need such kind of scene to portray them as a couple.
Well, don't take my words as a fact, it is an assumption considering how the execution of their scenes so far.

[Kaisos Erranon]

My theory is that the channel this is broadcast on objects to showing kissing. Or something.

[kimchipride]

My theory is that the channel this is broadcast on objects to showing kissing. Or something.

nope, nothing of that sort

[Master Chibi]

That minute and a half of drunk Nagisa/Sanae makes it worth it.

Yeah, in total agreeance.

This entire episode bored the hell out of me, but I can't pick at it. The two of them are married, and no matter how INEXPLICABLY DULL AND LIFELESS I think Nagisa is, they're a married couple now, and that's something you almost never see in anime, so I'm for it.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Too bad there wasn't a big wedding day, where Sunohara would've provided us with plenty of laughs:(

[Dist]

Well the episode was alright. But I think aswell that the baseball and ceremony scenes were kinda dull. Oh well.. As for the absence of marriage ceremonial, that was kinda lame. Not that I care for ceremonial itself but I find it weird that all the time passed in the anime by now, they have not kissed even ONCE. ( Well they probably '' have '', but it was never shown on the anime )... Whyyy >=(

-Klashikari. Maybe so, but even if we know they are couple already, what stops them for showing us a goddamnkit kiss asdasfsdf >.<

[Sorrow-K]

The thing is that it is heavily implied they kissed already. That said, it seems the scripters decided they didn't need such kind of scene to portray them as a couple.
Well, don't take my words as a fact, it is an assumption considering how the execution of their scenes so far.
When? I mean, they might have shown it explicitly in the game, but there wasn't even a hint in the anime. From memory, they cut to the end of the episode right before the equivalent scene in the game. So there couldn't possibly have been even a hint.

I really liked the overall sentiment of this episode, particularly towards the end. I did think the baseball stuff was a bit overblown (as someone mentions, Clannad seems to love using sports to drive important plot points), but the basic meaning of the scene was stated in no uncertain terms. The drunken Nagisa scene was probably the funniest scene in this series (After Story has been no where near as funny as the first season of Clannad so far, which I guess makes sense, since this is a lot more serious). And the final two (and very important) scenes were touching. It was very much a case of "looking back then going forward" with the graduation followed by a wedding sans ceremony.

[Yukinokesshou]

一流……滿分１０／１０！

Loved drunk Nagisa, the graduation ceremony, and even the way Okazaki and Nagisa handled their wedding: simple, crisp and sweet, without all the frivolous fuss that modern couples undertake. The world needs more couples like them.

More later...

[Change of Pace]

-Klashikari. Maybe so, but even if we know they are couple already, what stops them for showing us a goddamnkit kiss asdasfsdf >.<
That's also my biggest problem with Clannad. Every time there's a touching scene, or even hand-holding, I think "that's nice... but it's missing the kiss. >.>" Even if KyoAni is rabidly against showing kisses fully, even an implied kiss scene would be nice. A married couple who's only gone as far as hand-holding is such a joke.

... THough I wished for a minute the drunk scene would to pull a fast one on us!

[king12354]

Aw, poor Fuko.

[Yukinokesshou]

That's also my biggest problem with Clannad. Every time there's a touching scene, or even hand-holding, I think "that's nice... but it's missing the kiss. >.>"

I prefer it without the kiss. Personally, I think kissing is overrated and Western society (and increasingly Asian society too) places too much prominence on salivary exchange. It really irks me how almost every British or American novel or movie defines romance with a kiss... two corny examples in mind: Harry Potter and Disney's "Enchanted" -_-

[Addendum]
To be fair, an Asian example of over-emphasis on the kiss: Taiwanese drama serial 惡作劇之吻 based on the manga "Itazura na Kiss" (I haven't read the manga so I don't know if it includes the TV serial's pathetic monologues about 「接吻」/kissing).

[Proto]

There's a difference between removing the unfair and almost morbid focus it may be receiving in some cultures and removing it altogether though. :p

[Yukinokesshou]

There's a difference between removing the unfair and almost morbid focus it may be receiving in some cultures and removing it altogether though. :p

Hmm, fair point. There's a scene in the VN in which Tomoya and Nagisa share their first kiss whilst watching Akio play baseball (and no, this isn't a spoiler, because it happened long before their marriage...)

[Master Chibi]

Yeah even I was wondering about it.

:p

[GreatTeacherKen]

This episode felt somewhat nostalgic for me. It was great seeing the gang back, albeit temporarily. :)

[zzeroparticle]

Definitely enjoyed that one and it was a good note to start with after that hiatus.

Though the sheer emotive atmosphere that this episode generated has been mentioned at length along with the lightheartedness of the family gathering, Nagisa's little speech was extremely endearing and served to remind us just how far she's come along. Time sure flies and sometimes, all that it takes to appreciate the present is to look back upon the past. And of course, to move on into the future now that both of them have resolved to be one and it'll be interesting to watch the story unfold from here on out. I imagine there'll be some interesting adjustments to be made.

[Cyz]

Quite a romantic episode. Nagisa still looks adorable even when she's drunk and tipsy :heh:. Seeing Nagisa with her hair tied makes her look....matured.

[Tiran86]

9/10

So far, this is hands down, the best episode of Clannad Afterstory. Drunk Nagisa was hilarious. Tomoya's struggle to win Akio's approval, and the graduation scene were really well done.

[Myssa Rei]

I can't really add anything to what many in the thread already mentioned (barring hard-to-please Master Chibi and a few others ;p ). My only disappointment is the fact that, yeah, Tomoya and Nagisa went the Court Wedding route. Not that it's less binding than a Religious Wedding, and it DOES make sense given Tomoya's finances (my own folks were also both married at a judge, but they eventually had a church ceremony, albeit years later), but I'd have LOVED to see a Church or Temple ceremony.

[Scary Zet]

KyoAni isn't against kisses. Remember...
...Kanon '06, where Ayu and Yuichi kissed a few times. These were extremely fitting the romantic atmosphere and feelings of the couple. But here we see no explicit kisses between Nagisa and Tomoya. And I'm lacking it surely :( Hoping to see it drawn by KyoAni, at least once :rolleyes: The preview of episode 14th is a good reason for such a hope ;)

Damn KyoAni :) Why not to include some hentaish scenes? :p I think I'll end playing the VN.

[Kinny Riddle]

KyoAni isn't against kisses. Remember...
...Kanon '06, where Ayu and Yuichi kissed a few times. These were extremely fitting the romantic atmosphere and feelings of the couple. But here we see no explicit kisses between Nagisa and Tomoya. And I'm lacking it surely :( Hoping to see it drawn by KyoAni, at least once :rolleyes: The preview of episode 14th is a good reason for such a hope ;)

Damn KyoAni :) Why not to include some hentaish scenes? :p I think I'll end playing the VN.
If it is one thing Kyo-Ani isn't really good at doing, it is kisses. IMHO

In Haruhi, we hardly see Kyon and Haruhi's faces as they kiss. The same happened in Kanon when Yuuichi kissed Ayu, we only get a glimpse of the back of their heads.

[Klashikari]

When? I mean, they might have shown it explicitly in the game, but there wasn't even a hint in the anime. From memory, they cut to the end of the episode right before the equivalent scene in the game. So there couldn't possibly have been even a hint.
My apologies if my post was misleading. I did mean some scenes implied that, so rather implicit, by their mood. There was of course nothing explicit by themselves (I believe most of us already thought that there were many scenes they could do that, but the animators simply didn't).
That said, it is rather a mere opinion and I agree that they could really stop being stingy with it, considering the romance here. On the other hand, I also believe the decision is fine by itself as it also work implicitly.

And the funny fact is: no the game wasn't any more explicit. You had like 1 or 2 kisses for Nagisa's whole route AND After Story. The rest was pretty much the same kind of interactions and mood between the two.


Damn KyoAni :) Why not to include some hentaish scenes? :p I think I'll end playing the VN.I wonder when people would stop using this word due to the usual misconception, duh...

Anyway, first of all, you wouldn't see this series in most if not all broadcasting TV channels if there was any sexual intercourse (it wouldn't even be as a sub-forum on our forums to begin with).
Furthermore, for the damn XXth time (I'm wondering if it isn't already said with 3 digits...), Clannad has no ero scenes at all (there might be some crude language, but not even non-explicit scenes of such nature).

If you are expecting such scenes from the VN, you can already give up this idea.

[Nochgo]

Wait, so we don't get a wedding scene? I thought Tomoya just gave her the ring, not actually gone through the ceremony.

Anyhow, as most people said, the drunk scene was pure ownage. Hahaha, "Sanae has huge boobs you know" lol. Nagisa and Sanae was so hilarious.

As for the baseball and graduation, they were pretty nice, though I did think the baseball and graduation were a bit lacking... in someways. Can't really put my word on this one. I mean, it was meaningful and touching, but it felt rather weak. Maybe because it was the break we had.

[Sheba]

Wait, so we don't get a wedding scene? I thought Tomoya just gave her the ring, not actually gone through the ceremony.


It does make sense when you think of Tomoya's financial state.

[Nochgo]

It does make sense when you think of Tomoya's financial state.

Well, that is true, but like with the graduation, they could've had something with just the two of them. I mean, I just wanted to see the scene they get married; it didn't have to be the normal wedding ceremony with wedding dress and all that (though Nagisa in wedding dress would've been awesome)

[Sheba]

Perhaps the director expected more negativity if he showed it.

[MeoTwister5]

Can anyone remember the title of the track that played during the graduation scene? I was going through the game's BGM player and can't seem to find it... so I actually thought it was an original or remix track for the anime but I'm almost sure I heard it before...

[Vegard Aune]

Can anyone remember the title of the track that played during the graduation scene? I was going through the game's BGM player and can't seem to find it... so I actually thought it was an original or remix track for the anime but I'm almost sure I heard it before...
"Distant Years" (Or "Harukana Toshitsuki" in japanese), the 12th track on disc 2 of the original soundtrack to the visual novel. Also the greatest instrumental-track on the entire soundtrack if you ask me.

[Nerroth]

I believe its more like she KNOWS how freaking hot her mum is:naughty:


LOL, yes the preview was fun. Tomoya's reaction SO reminded me of Alto (Macross F) for some reason:heh:

I just hope Tomoya doesn't try to say "I want to embrace you, Gundam!"


(Instead of Mr. Bushido, I guess we have Mr. Baseball...)


Nice ep, by the way!

[patient_senses]

For me, this is the best episode of both series so far. With each episode, the series just gets better and better. I definitely liked this episode more than the previous one because Yoshino's story was just boring compared to the rest of the episode. Episode 12 was all serious, while this one had the hilarious scene with Nagisa getting drunk, priceless.

But I have to agree in saying that I think Tomoya and Nagisa aready kissed. I just think they haven't animated it because it's really sort of unneeded. I see a lot of times (not necessary in anime) where kissing scenes are just used to replace the feelings which just aren't there. I'd have to agree that it'd be nice to see it at least once though. The next episode shows a little promise.


This series is probably going to end up being my all time favorite. I can't recall a single series that showed the two main characters get married, let alone go on to show what they're married life is going to be like.

[Reckoner]

This episode earns a 6/10 from me, especially considering how great the previous episode was in comparison.

+ Drunk Nagisa scene was hilarious.
+ Nagisa's new changes in looks.
+ New music

and now the many negatives...

- Tomoya practicing in the rain against no ball is just overdone
- Graduation scene, in general, rubbed me the wrong way
- Pacing
- No wedding
- Tomoya putting his head in the mud, not necessary
- Akio placing his consent on the marriage on a baseball pitch
- Father suddenly starts talking to them, when he refused to reply last episode

I hope the next episode can do a better job in developing the story. Clannad rarely ever goes for subtle, and is always too forced.

[Sinestra]

A very nice episode not to mention touching. When I was listening to Nagisa speak during her graduation ceremony i couldn't help but to tear up a bit. The realization of what Nagisa has over come finally set in. She has had her good times and bad time but persevered. Taking 5 years to complete high school would break most people i believe and i dont know if she could have kept going without Tomoya. Also, i dont think Tomoya could have come as far as he did without Nagisa they needed and found each other when they both truly need someone. Their romance has been a touching one and having it all end with their marriage is very fitting i couldn't be happier. I couldn't help to notice how grown up Nagisa looked when they went to inform Tomoya's father of the news of their marriage.

I am not surprised that Nagisa parents approved of the marriage. Even though Akio made Tomoya work for it, i would expect nothing less i mean this is his little girl were talking about. Seeing them together they already looked like family but before when Tomoya lived there they already looked like family. The scene with Nagisa drunk was too damn funny then her mom got in on it and it just got carried away.

I loved this episode it was nothing short of a treat im sad to see it go soon. The final shot of the ring of Nagisa's finger was just too touching and it summed up the culmination of everything we have seen them go through.

[RandomFlameStrike]

This episode earns a 6/10 from me, especially considering how great the previous episode was in comparison.

+ Drunk Nagisa scene was hilarious.
+ Nagisa's new changes in looks.
+ New music

and now the many negatives...

- Tomoya practicing in the rain against no ball is just overdone
- Graduation scene, in general, rubbed me the wrong way
- Pacing
- No wedding
- Tomoya putting his head in the mud, not necessary
- Akio placing his consent on the marriage on a baseball pitch
- Father suddenly starts talking to them, when he refused to reply last episode

I hope the next episode can do a better job in developing the story. Clannad rarely ever goes for subtle, and is always too forced.

Hm I don't think the negetives you listed were that bad. Tomoya's rain practice was to show his determination, also it wasn't like it didn't make any sense since he has trouble with his arm. Well if you say it's overdone there's nothing to be argued XD. The graduation scene was pure win >< I don't know how it could be a negative. I'll admit the pacing was a bit rushed. They zoomed past a whole year in a few mins. As for the wedding, we might get a scene later. I'm under the impression that they haven't gone through with the ceremony yet (Not positive). Tomoya bowing his head really low was a pretty good effect imo. It also shows a bit of character development and how far he'd go for Nagisa. And Akio wasn't seriously thinking "Tomoya should have good BASEBALL skills if he wants to marry my daughter!" it was more of a symbolic thing. Also think about the situation with his father. It wasn't that he was ignoreing Tomoya, he just couldn't find anything to say about his illegal activities.. He talks to Tomoya in the other episodes too.

[typhonsentra]

From the preview... are they trying to imply Tomoya's a virgin?

[Master Chibi]

Honestly, I think having Nagisa be sick is the biggest schmuck of a plot device they had going in this series. It just struck me at how lame it was to just throw in there amongst all the other real development, and this was none more apparent then when Nagisa mentioned it herself in her graduation speech. It was like they looked at her and they're like:

"HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE MAKE THIS CHICK WITH COCKROACH AHOGE SUFFER?"

"Let's make her afflicted with a no name illness that leaves her bed ridden for months upon on end!"

"BRILLIANT, HAVE A FRUIT BASKET."

And it does really bother me that the first time I've seen an actual get married couple that hasn't ever shown much actual physical affection to one another, especially this late into the game. I mean I get annoyed at other series when it takes the entirety of the show for them to actual realize they both want to bone each other and we get little but them holding hands at the last 8 seconds of the last episode of the series, but here they actually establish a relationship with one another and there's barely any hugging, or holding hands, or forehead to forehead talking, or much of anything. It's sad that the most affectionate she's really gotten with him is when she was DRUNK.

And I still say the part where she was sitting alone in the clasroom waiting for people to join the theatre club and NOONE JOINS AND THE CLUB IS SHUT DOWN is complete bullshit and unnecessary.

"Oh hey, remember your dreams?"

"BAM DONE, GO HOME".

As much I dislike her I truly felt sorry for her, and that 'scene' barely lasted 8 seconds. Go figure.

[Proto]

It's sad that the most affectionate she's really gotten with him is when she was DRUNK.

While I have to agree that the romantic relationship between the two has been dampened a few level in the game to series transition, it was never too explicit to begin with. I attribute this to two main factors. One, the series theme is different, and as such the message it tries to convey lies elsewhere. Two, we are superposing our own cultural nuances, and that just doesn't work when watching foreign media.

[RandomFlameStrike]

Yeah, it's true that they were a lot more physical in the game. I'm not as bothered as Chibi, but I'd like to see more of the Tomoya x Nagisa moments that the game has animated. Oh well you can't get everything.

Lol I thought Nagisa's "illness" was stupid too at first. I mean, wtf a randomly appearing chronic illness that just goes on and off? Such a "fake" illness is what made me not care as much about Shiori from Kanon.

[Haruyasha]

Well, that was a nice episode.




- Ah, sports. That's quite a staple in the series.

- Drunk Nagisa and Sanae ftw.

- To me, the part that rang right with me was when Tomoya phone called Sunohara.

- Graduation ceremony made my throat hurt.

- I was not surprised at the absence of ceremony for the marriage. This happened to my parents who only officially registered their marriage back in 1986. I am assuming that making a formal marriage celebration like we see in movies or series is pretty much a no-no for the couple, because of the financial costs. (my friend's marriage cost him about what? 10000 euros if I remember right, if not more. He worked hard with his soon-to-be wife to pool all the money, with a little help from his both families. It was registering the marriage in the town hall, then registering it in the local church, then celebrating in a rented Renaissance manor, inviting the friends from highschool, and the families, AND the meals. Did I mention the hotels he paid for us?).






What isn't overpriced over there? ;) Not to mention, you guys get video games months or even years after original release, and at rip off prices.

Actually,

The reason they skipped out on the wedding is because it would pretty much be the same scenario as the graduation.

[radioIzzy]

Wow. Seems everyone is moving forward.

What's next now?

[Kaisos Erranon]

The reason they skipped out on the wedding is because it would pretty much be the same scenario as the graduation.

I don't remember a wedding in the game. They couldn't afford one, as I recall.

[Master Chibi]

Oh lord, you're not serious, are you?

I thought that crap with the other girl was just symbolism.

[Haruyasha]

I don't remember a wedding in the game. They couldn't afford one, as I recall.

Depends on how you perceive it.

By party, I was actually thinking of Okazaki gathering several people to celebrate it at the house..

That shouldn't cost much.

[Ascaloth]

Oh lord, you're not serious, are you?

I thought that crap with the other girl was just symbolism.

Erm, you know, Key? There's gotta be a "things are gonna get weird now" moment. :heh:

[rapidfire]

Drunk Nagisa = WIN

[Proto]

Game spoilers on a episode thread. The ultimate sin. May the force be with you.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I spoiler tagged it. You can silence yourself now.

[Proto]

I kindly redirect you to the very first post on the first thread for further reference, and ask you to remove that post of yours before you burn the eyes of some unwarned anime only viewer.

[Master Chibi]

While I have to agree that the romantic relationship between the two has been dampened a few level in the game to series transition, it was never too explicit to begin with. I attribute this to two main factors. One, the series theme is different, and as such the message it tries to convey lies elsewhere. Two, we are superposing our own cultural nuances, and that just doesn't work when watching foreign media.

How about no.

I mean seriously, they're bloody married already. They were married before they freaking married, Nagisa was at his house every damn day making all his meals and talking to him like they were newlyweds. I'm looking for actual signs of affection between the two of them, because god damn it I think we deserve that type of interaction at this point. Shows like Toradora and To Aru Majutsu no Index incorporate body language into the conversations taking place between the main characters, and it adds sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much to the actual relationship between the two interacting. Something like Taiga rubbing her feet on Ryuji's back, or Index with her arms around Touma and them rocking back and forth a bit does VOLUMES to display a link between two characters without even talking.

This show utterly lacks that. Again, the only time she's managed to even brush his face adoringly or WILLINGLY gone close to him is when she was drunk, otherwise she was just rushing to his side in a crying fit after he managed to conclude the problem of whatever arc the show was carrying on about.

Come on, is it really asking for all that much, especially from a MARRIED couple? I mean, fuck the graduation, getting married is a much, much, MUCH bigger step in life, but we don't even get to see that either. I mean I can understand cultrual nuances, but we're past that point of high school shyness, so I would hope we're entitled to it in some form.

Erm, you know, Key? There's gotta be a "things are gonna get weird now" moment. :heh:

Yeah, I know Key. I know them very well.

But I keep coming back anyway.

:heh:


Er.

You do remember Fuuko, right? And Kotomi, to an extent? And SHIMA?

All of these are connected together.

The show should explain the "illness" eventually.

I'm going to blame it all on you when it does.

Just you wait.

[Proto]

If you are so adamant in rejecting my second reason, I will concede since I don't see much point in discussing about cultural perceptions over and over (though it may be important to remark that, statistically speaking, the Japanese average person do tends to be less physically affectionate than his/her Western counterpart. Some Anime precisely provides an escapade from that emotional drawback for some people) , and cover myself behind the first one. You have to enter the authors mind and understand what he is trying to tell you :p

[Master Chibi]

Oh I'm not really rejecting it, I'm just questioning the validity of showing a married couple, or a couple period, but not displaying simple things like signs of affection along with it, because I actually enjoy that type of thing you know.

._.

[RandomFlameStrike]

What happend to Tomoya hugging Nagisa from behined and getting in the way of her doing homework, or the first kiss in the park while they ignore the fact they were in a public area, or the game where they held each others hands for as long as possible, all skipped >< I'm still hopeful since there are more chances along the way. They'll need to get going if they are going to go to a certaint point...

Well on the other hand there's no dening how much Tomoya and Nagisa love eachother. There aren't too many physical signs in the anime but it's as plain as day.

[Scary Zet]

What happend to Tomoya hugging Nagisa from behined and getting in the way of her doing homework, or the first kiss in the park while they ignore the fact they were in a public area, or the game where they held each others hands for as long as possible, all skipped ><
Sob...

To my mind the series would have been much better if KyoAni had included those episodes. I'm really disappointed now. I wanna, wanna!, WANNA all these signs of affection within the couple. Yes, we see the great love between the two persons. But all this love is shown as rather "emotional" love, kinda "let's be together, let's make each other's life more comfortable, let's become each other's reason to live for". But not "be mine and only mine! I want to have and own you completely! I love you to the very extent where I dream to be you". Some hugs, touches and kisses are not that-ero-stuff to hide 'em completely due to "censorship" or something related. Hiding them takes some of the charm of the anime. Something bright, fascinating and not real we watch it for. Idealized relationship.

So, damn you, Kyoto Animation again. I love you very much and I hate you a bit.

Srry 4 teh bad engrish. It's not native for me.

[Myssa Rei]

Oh I'm not really rejecting it, I'm just questioning the validity of showing a married couple, or a couple period, but not displaying simple things like signs of affection along with it, because I actually enjoy that type of thing you know.

._.

Well, to be fair, KyoAni seems to be allergic to any overt PDA in the series they've done. Everything is implied, and even in series where they DO show physical expressions of affection (kissing for example) it's angled in such a way where we don't see any detail at all (KANON, Haruhi).

That said, I'm perfectly happy with even having implied shows of affection.

[Master Chibi]

Well, to be fair, KyoAni seems to be allergic to any overt PDA in the series they've done. Everything is implied, and even in series where they DO show physical expressions of affection (kissing for example) it's angled in such a way where we don't see any detail at all (KANON, Haruhi).

That said, I'm perfectly happy with even having implied shows of affection.

Hug me.

D:

[Rice_slayer]

Sob...
Some hugs, touches and kisses are not that-ero-stuff to hide 'em completely due to "censorship" or something related. Hiding them takes some of the charm of the anime. Something bright, fascinating and not real we watch it for. Idealized relationship.


I was thinking the same thing but I thought this, In the lone island Haruhi episode they cut all alcohol from the episode but the kids get trashed in the novel. But in Clannad, Its clear as day Nagisa drinks and gets drunk and they even show her drunk to Tomoya. I don't get it either at all...

[Vegard Aune]

I was thinking the same thing but I thought this, In the lone island Haruhi episode they cut all alcohol from the episode but the kids get trashed in the novel. But in Clannad, Its clear as day Nagisa drinks and gets drunk and they even show her drunk to Tomoya. I don't get it either at all...
Well, in Haruhi, they were all underage, whereas Nagisa was 20.

[Ithekro]

Since 20 is the legal drinking age in Japan...Nagisa was legal to get drunk. Notice that Tomoya, and only Tomoya, didn't have any. This is because he is 19.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yeah, Japan is really really against underage drinking for some reason.

[Ithekro]

"Heavily regulated" seems to be the legal claim.

[cbatty]

Finally saw the episode... loved it - especially the drunk Nagisa scene. One drink is all it took? I wonder what proof it was ;)

I agree with Master Chibi - it would be nice to see some physical affection between Tomoya and Nagisa. I'm not saying there hasn't been any implied in the past episodes. However they are married now. Perhaps in the next episode?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Finally saw the episode... loved it - especially the drunk Nagisa scene. One drink is all it took? I wonder what proof it was ;)

It's sake... I assume Nagisa's physical constitution is terrible, with that as a result.

[destiny4everlove]

Episode 13

-Sanae’s banana bread was priceless!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-061.gif She gave banana bread a whole new meaning. ;):D

-I liked how Sanae (being wiser than Nagisa) let Nagisa know that it was not a good idea to interfere between Akio and Tomoya’s baseball battle.

-I truly liked how Sanae cheered Tomoya up (after he failed to hit Akio’s throws) by telling him that he should keep trying hard for Nagisa’s sake.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/cloud-9-039.gif

-Loved how Tomoya kept practicing and practicing with the bat, even in the rain for Nagisa’s hand sake.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Love/heart-121.gif That was so sweet.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-053.gif

-“Nagisa you must not get in their way when men battle”…Sanae sharing a little wisdom with us girls…

-Regarding the baseball battle, I think it was Akio’s way to make sure that Tomoya was worthy of her daughter. He wanted for Tomoya to work a little extra hard for Nagisa’s hand. And after witnessing all the effort Tomoya put for Nagisa’s sake, and after talking with Sanae (because I have a feelings they had a conversation before the last baseball "battle" scene) Akio was finally ready to give Nagisa to Tomoya. :)

-Loved the scene of Tomoya bowing in front of Akio and asking him to please give Nagisa to him!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif

-The Furuwakas are amazing in-laws without a doubt!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-054.gif I loved how Sanae said that Tomoya and Nagisa's happiness was now going to be Sanae and Akio's happiness too.

-So it seems that from now on every Christmas Nagisa will add a new Dango squishy pillow to her collection. :heehee:

-Nagisa’s face when she smelled the sake was so adorably cute!!!http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/aerisrome/19lr7.gif

-Druken Nagisa was priceless!! :blush: :smile::heehee:She is bossy, she is jealous, she is feisty, she is confident, she is not afraid to show her awesomeness. :blush: I loved that scene!

-So Nagisa sees her mom as her greatest rival for Tomoya :D, I wonder why Nagisa never saw Kyo, Ryo or Tomoyo as her love rivals but she is very jealous of her mother. http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/DazhXII/Onion%20Emoticon/onion33.gif

-“Sane has huge boobs” Akio is too much!! :heh:

-“I’m not playing with him, I’m serious”. Being liked by a younger guy must be a great boost to Sanae’s confidence and vanity. ;) :blush:

-Loved Tomoya’s look when Nagisa was sleeping on his lap, that look was filled with so much love!http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/007_.gif

-What’s with the third semester and Nagisa’s health? Why does she get sick around that time of the year? Does something happens in the city that makes Nagisa sick? What is the connection between that time of the year, the city and Nagisa? :confused:

-I don’t know why but Nagisa always looks extra beautiful when she is laying on her bed sick. Maybe the animators do that on purpose…

-Loved how Tomoya planned and organized a graduation ceremony for Nagisa! http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq173/Dark_Angel_87/AddEmoticons126112.gif He loves her so much!!

-Kotomi, I totally agree with you “It’s not Sunohara without the blond hair”. :heh::nod:

-It was so nice seeing all the gang together again. :) That’s true friends for you, the kind of friends that even when you don’t see them every day; you know you can count on them any day. :)

-Mei is such a huge Yoshino fan, isn’t she? ;)

-Nagisa’s speech was so touching.http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq173/Dark_Angel_87/AddEmoticons12646.gif I loved how she described her journey through High School, starting from the very important scene in Episode 1 at the bottom of the hill until Nagisa being sick and not being able to go to the graduation ceremony in this episode.

“Okazaki Nagisa” yay!! http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq173/Dark_Angel_87/AddEmoticons12662.gif They married!! :blush: I’m not going to lie, I did want to see a wedding ceremony and Nagisa wearing a wedding dress, but considering Tomoya and Nagisa’s financial situation (especially Tomoya’s) and all the costs that a wedding, even a simple one implies, I think it makes more sense for them not to have a wedding ceremony. After all, what’s important is not the wedding ceremony (I mean, how many people have lavish wedding ceremonies to end up divorcing just a couple of monts later), what’s important is the feelings, the trust, commitment and love between the two people marrying, so I’m not that disappointed that Nagisa and Tomoya didn’t have a wedding ceremony as I thought I would be. :)

-Married Nagisa with her hair tied up looks so beautiful and so much more mature.

I can’t wait to watch the next episode!! Please let it be a kiss in the next episode!!http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/202_animated_person_praying.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)

[TenkenXD]

Lol, in the previews it looks like Tomoya might be getting more than a kiss eh? ;)

Anyways, hands down, I personally thought this was the best episode of the AS series, maybe even all of Clannad. But that might be takin it a bit far.

A lot of people have been saying a little kiss wouldn't traumatize any small children and I agree! Though I prolly wont go so far as to say it's necessary as the whole romance is built on other things than physical affection.

Umm...the graduation scene was slightly prolly the only "flaw" even though the title of the ep was "Graduation" I thought it wasted likr 3-4 minutes recapping the series (think of one of those flashback episodes that recaps the ENTIRE SERIES in any other anime and this is practically it) but I loved the ending.

[Beo]

Do not think physical intimacy is going to be shown, maybe at most a hug or close sitting. So many shows have so much of it going on that when a show comes up that does not have it, people get upset. Because its not shown, it does not mean its not there.

For one whole school year, she has been at Tomoya's place for breakfast in the mornings and making him dinner when he comes home. How many weekends are in there? How many holiday's? There is a lot of time in there of them being close. It would have been nice to see them interacting and being close on their times together more than just face smashing.

[King Lycan]

Finally Some Clannad I needed it . Loved Nagisa's Graduation was so awesome, Nagisa drunk was hilarious 10/10

[CrowKenobi]

A lot of people have been saying a little kiss wouldn't traumatize any small children and I agree! Though I prolly wont go so far as to say it's necessary as the whole romance is built on other things than physical affection.Though, some of us do want the payoff of seeing our two leads share at least one kiss on screen! :D

:cool:

Should I mention Lamune or not? :p

[Kinny Riddle]

It just dawned upon my thick-headed skull that they've already spent 4 episodes (AS 10-13) covering the same length of time it took to cover in the previous 32 episodes (S1 1-23 + AS 1-9).

When you're still a student, time would feel like it passes by extremely slowly, hence all the "fun" stuff Tomoya experienced in the space of one year.

But once you leave school, your perspective of time changes significantly as you settle down in your job, doing the same things everyday, so during this time, a year passes by very quickly for Tomoya.

[-Sho-]

Wow this episode was beautiful and funny !

Beautiful = Nagisa x Tomoya just them , they are so cute together ! In the end , finally holding hands and engaged !

Funny = The drunk part was awesome ^^ The parents are so funny :) Nagisa too ahah !

The next will be good ^^

(but , maybe its a bad thing when nagisa is always sick in the same season .... hope it will don't turn like a sad end ! )

[Ithekro]

Still have almost half a season left. Plenty of time for a good and/or bad ending.