Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Klashikari]

Restaurant + Nagisa's bombshell drop. Here it comes :heh:

[SidVicious]

Nagisa was sooooooooooooooo cute. :D

[Sheba]

My head exploded over Nagisa.

[serenade_beta]

Na...gi...sa... Got...
...
(ﾟДﾟ)

Congratulations, Akio-oji-chan~

[Sheba]

Na...gi...sa... Got...
...
(ﾟДﾟ)

Congratulations, Akio-oji-chan~

I echo the reaction.

My head just hit the desk when I heard it.

[Shinji103]

Na...gi...sa... Got...
...
(ﾟДﾟ)

Congratulations, Akio-oji-chan~Wait.

What?

ALREADY??!! O.O

[Ithekro]

Kids these days.....
:p

[Kaisos Erranon]

That was fast.

I hope they set it up well.

Also, please someone tell me they did DJ Akio in this episode. That was the best part of the restaurant arc.

[Klashikari]

That was fast.

I hope they set it up well.

Also, please someone tell me they did DJ Akio in this episode. That was the best part of the restaurant arc.
Yes, and he somehow become Tomitake Akio later on :heh: (for those who don't get it, there are 2 reference to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in this episode :heh:)

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yes, and he somehow become Tomitake Akio later on :heh: (for those who don't get it, there are 2 reference to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in this episode :heh:)

FLASH!

God this show rocks.

[SageGaiGar]

MC Akio. bwhaha. Oh and the waitress uniform. Wow. I kind of wish she kept her hair like in the beginning though... quite mature.

I have to mirror most of the responses from everyone about Nagisa. Though I will need to wait for the subs to fully understand more than the jist of this episode.

Am I wrong in assuming Nagisa was rather bold?

[aliasxn]

Bah... They spent 3 episodes showing some Yusuke's and Misae's background (which nobody really cared) yet they choose to cut off the main coulple's wedding, and now there's a baby on the way? In two episodes? :(

Btw, what the hell is this supposed to be?

(ﾟДﾟ)

I spent a good half an hour trying to figure out, but no good. :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Bah... They spent 3 episodes showing some Yusuke's and Misae's background (which nobody really cared) yet they choose to cut off the main coulple's wedding, and now there's a baby on the way? In two episodes? :(

Btw, what the hell is this supposed to be?

(ﾟДﾟ)

I spent a good half an hour trying to figure out, but no good. :heh:

There wasn't a wedding in the game either.

You think they can afford one?

Also, that face is a 2ch meme... basically a SHOCK face.

[aliasxn]

There wasn't a wedding in the game either.

You think they can afford one?

A didn't have to be a big ass party, just a nice celebration at the bakery with the usual supects would've been fine. The way it happened felt really... rushed.

[Kaisos Erranon]

A didn't have to be a big ass party, just a nice celebration at the bakery with the usual supects would've been fine. The way it happened felt really... rushed.

Again, there was no wedding in the game either. They just got married. Yay.

[serenade_beta]

Kids these days.....
:p

Haa... Zetsuboushita...

Yes, and he somehow become Tomitake Akio later on :heh: (for those who don't get it, there are 2 reference to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in this episode :heh:)

Hmm~, so that outfit was on purpose...?

Also, that face is a 2ch meme...

Aha~, so that is where it came from.


Wonder if the OP will bother to change Nagisa's name now... Since the ED already did... (-_-)

[Haru~]

Really this episode drops the bombshell....
Best things
> "Otosan-musuko irritation"
> "Yo yo " by DJ Akio
> Weeeeeee Nagisa's meido outfit >> Leads to men go CRAZY!
> "Bombshell..." by Okazaki Nagisa

Complaints (Kyoani Why)
> There is no kiss.
> There is still a space between Nagisa's and Tomoya's futon.
> How the hell that "bomb" formed?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Really this episode drops the bombshell....
Best things
> "Otosan-musuko irritation"
> "Yo yo " by DJ Akio
> Weeeeeee Nagisa's meido outfit >> Leads to men go CRAZY!
> "Bombshell..." by Okazaki Nagisa

Complaints (Kyoani Why)
> There is no kiss.
> There is still a space between Nagisa's and Tomoya's futon.
> How the hell that "bomb" formed?

Don't you know? Children are dropped down the chimney by drunken storks.

[houkoholic]

Really this episode drops the bombshell....

Complaints (Kyoani Why)
> There is no kiss.
> There is still a space between Nagisa's and Tomoya's futon.
> How the hell that "bomb" formed?


Futons laid on the floor are rarely, if ever, shared amongst adults. They are designed for a single person to sleep in, thus even married couples have their own futons and sleeps in their own space, not very practical otherwise (the futon won't be able to cover both people of adult size).

"I want a baby" geez I wonder what happens after that. :rolleyes:

[laksmkk]

Although I love this episode there were some things that wished to show.
I give it a perfect point for Nagisa's Bombshell announcement and Akio and Tomoya in-law discussion. That was the most that was expecting this is season.

[MeoTwister5]

Still at least 6 more hours before the earliest subs come out.

I'm gonna stab my eyes to make sure I don't watch the RAW.:eyespin:

[Myssa Rei]

Eh? Eh? People are confused about Nagisa's 'condition' just because KyoAni doesn't want to show expressions of affection? Uhm, folks, they're married. Stuff like this happen sooner or later.

[Ithekro]

First one could happens at any time...the second takes nine months.

Or so they say.

[kk2extreme]

lol at these :D

http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20~AFTER%20STORY~%20-%2014%20-%20Large%2001.jpg
http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20~AFTER%20STORY~%20-%2014%20-%20Large%2002.jpg

http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20~AFTER%20STORY~%20-%2014%20-%20Large%2013.jpg

[Leo_Otaku]

Really awesome episode. I was worried they would take out the scene of the resturant where the place Tomoya used to remember. That part of things chaning was really impoarant to me, I'm glad it was kept. Some really great scenes that made the episode really humerous.
It was alos nice to see Nagisa is full waitress uniform. It wasn't a Higurashi referance I don't think it is the same uniform from the game. They are many family resurants that use host in their name like Royal Host. But maybe the throat scratching was ^-^ I thought it as soon as they did it. Akio's glasses said Gurren Lagan to I was disapointed to not see a wedding after those images we saw before, made me get my hopes up LOL XD.

[Myssa Rei]

Hoping for a wedding wouldn't be... Practical, given the fact that Tomoya's job doesn't pay much, and Nagisa is technically just out of school. As many folks in the previous episode discussion mentioned, the court wedding was the best that they could hope for, BUT they did leave open the possibility of a 'formal' ceremony later when they had the money (like my own folks did, albeit VERY belatedly).

[RandomFlameStrike]

Tooooooooo faaaaast! Is what I'd like to say but, I'm not going to complain too much since I was in the "They need to be more intimate" camp. Still some transition would have been nice. You go from "haven't kissed" to "OMG" off screen in one ep lol. The pace seems to be a bit wierd though, since there's still Akio and Sanae's route. I wonder what KyoAni's going to do with the extra eps. Also, I'm glad to see they finally added in one of Nagisa's bombshell announcments! The one in this ep should have been the 3rd or 4th one but the others were cut.

Yeah and, NAGISA IS SO DAMN CUTE! I'm gona die haha.

[W-General]

DVD EXTRA SCENES!
DVD EXTRA SCENES!

I guess KyoAni's no Shaft after all (see: Ef)

So here's the question: WHEN DID "IT" HAPPEN???
a) The night when Nagisa said she wanted a baby
b) The night when Tomoya got angry about things changing in the town
c) The first night they start living together (ie. at the end of the first scene)
d) Some other time



Congrats, Okazaki Tomoya, you have become a man.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The game left it really really ambiguous too, as to when it happened.

[Mecha_Trueno]

DJ Akio made me PMSL!!!:D

Oh crap, forgot about spoiler tags;)
But I really do have to recite Tomoya... 渚ってすげぇ!!!
I must say, Akio is doing an excellent job providing the comedy in Sunohara's absence:p


Oh and I hope I didn't read this wrong...there's still Akio and Sanae's route.
Does this mean we're gonna get a Akio and Sanae episode or two? That'll be nice, an episode filled with Sanae screentime:love: and Akio entertainment. You know what, I'd LOVE TO SEE what them two were like as kids:p. Think of all the stupid sh*t that Akio would come up with:heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20~AFTER%20STORY~%20-%2014%20-%20Large%2013.jpg

Somebody is getting in touch with their early 90's hipster doofus. I get the sense that they're trying to make him look cool, but honestly to me, someone who remembers the early 90's.....he just looks absolutely ridiculous. :(

The only way that fashion statement could become anymore unfortunate is if he decided to wear his hat backwards along with a giant clock around his neck.

[Sheba]

It's just the same thing as Dan wearing a pink karate gi. It's supposed to make us go, "Oh god, he is ridiculous!", but the characters themselves are so confident in their manliness they don't care.

[aliasxn]

Akio's over-protective side is just hilarious! http://img.basketballforum.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

Actually, Nagisa's parents are my two favorite characters in this show.

[Beo]

This one episode covers at least a year it seems. Watching the references to the seasons, it seems to be about the same as when they held the graduation and getting there marriage filed. As the show is progressing, the episodes are covering larger blocks of time.

[neshru]

So, they are too shy to even hug each other and yet they get married and have a baby? How does that work?

[Ottocycle]

To all those hoping for a wedding ceremony or anything like it, just look at what they're having right at the start of the episode. That's an expensive takeaway sushi set meant for either 1. rich people, all the time or 2. the rest, when they have special occasions.

So there you have it, the interim celebration. Also, Tomoya himself said that they'd only do the actual one when they've saved enough.

[Sheba]

So, they are too shy to even hug each other and yet they get married and have a baby? How does that work?
What part of Nagisa's line "Slept together" or "ecchi" have you missed?

[SageGaiGar]

What part of Nagisa's line "Slept together" or "ecchi" have you missed?

The series was never really about being overt in this regard, read between the lines.

[Kaisos Erranon]

This one episode covers at least a year it seems. Watching the references to the seasons, it seems to be about the same as when they held the graduation and getting there marriage filed. As the show is progressing, the episodes are covering larger blocks of time.

A few months. The episode begins in mid-spring and ends at the start of summer.

Next episode should cover all of summer until late late fall.

[musume_no_hoshi]

Oh my god..Nagisa is absolutely adorable here. I always think that she makes a perfect waifu, this episode just makes her even better at being a waifu.

KyoAni could always just have ONE kiss scene already. But Nagisa droppig the bomb is still...:heh: Tomoya's face after Nagisa has dropped the bomb

As much as I hate the weak girl type of heroine, Nagisa and Mizusu are still one of my favourite characters, despite still being the physically weak character.

[Kinny Riddle]

No matter how many times I see it, be it in the visual novel or in the anime, I'm still amazed Nagisa's got the balls to say she's had sex with her husband in front of him and her parents. LMAO

It's only been a year or so since Tomoya's own graduation, which makes him about 19 this episode, and besides already wearing a wedding ring, he's already becoming a father. What other anime series do you see the main couple become parents mid-way through a series? The last one that I ever remember that happening was Dragonball. :D

To answer all you horny bastards' queries, no, there was no H-scene in the game at all, though it was implied that they were "doing it" as the narration switched to describing how things change. Secondly, I'm surprised they moved "that part" to before Nagisa becoming a waitress, in the visual novel, Tomoya only "did it" with Nagisa after hearing that the old school complex was to be torn down.

The other LOL had to be Akio's disturbing otaku habit of taking photographs of waitresses, and of his own daughter to boot. Though Akio scored plenty of GAR points with those two flirters, who made the major mistake of flirting with Nagisa in front of her husband AND father.

One more LOL mention must be given to how Akio and Tomoya gets goosebumps just by calling each other "father-in-law" and "son-in-law".

PS Besides Nagisa, who is adorable as ever, even after admitting to "doing that". :love: :love: :love: Nishina and Sugisaka also finally get to show off their cuteness in that waitress outfit. :love:

[Kristen]

Oh God... so much foreshadowing. This was quite the fun episode to watch, knowing what is going on and all.

Akio's bread is a bread that will pierce the heavens, naturally.

And I like how they're finally integrating the changing city into the plot. Wish they had started earlier, though.

And I really like how they did what I asked and kept Tomoyo/Kyou/Kotomi/etc out of the plot for the most part to this point. It's making them become nostalgic instead of redundant. I mean, think of Kyou's antics, and what do you think? You think that happened months ago, instead of thinking "Oh, she's still there, we can see her still." Love it, love it, love it!

And I am personally glad that they didn't show Nagisa+Tomoya making love, be it under a cover or just presenting evidence of it. Makes the love feel a bit more pure to me.

Really looking forward to the next few episodes.

[Proto]

And I like how they're finally integrating the changing city into the plot. Wish they had started earlier, though.

They did though. Remember Tomoyo's semi-arc? :p

[/snarky]

[Kinny Riddle]

Oh yes, amidst all the lulz, a theme that's been prominent in this episode is "change" (not the Obama-slogan), as in change happening to every person's surrounding.

Things change, people change, as you grow older, you understand it better. Like Tomoya seeing the restaurant when there was none before, or hearing that the old school complex is about to be torn down.

While it's difficult to describe in words, I know how Tomoya feels, after returning from my studies abroad, I suddenly there's a high rise office tower nearby where I live when before it was a market, and etc, etc. You have to go through a certain age to understand this feeling. (Damn, did I just admit I'm getting old?)

[SageGaiGar]

Time to do a subs are out happy dance.

[cbatty]

It was nice to see Tomoya doing some self reflecting too. The anger about the school building being replaced seemed out of place but it was followed up nicely with Tomoya's thougt process as to questioning why he was so upset. Something we didn't get to see after his anger towards his father a few eps ago. I am still hoping they will follow up on that in a future ep.

Considering how the start of AS began, the main story is really picking up momentum now. Time is flying by. Can't wait until next week.

[neshru]

What part of Nagisa's line "Slept together" or "ecchi" have you missed?
I didn't miss it, you completely missed the point of my post though.

[Ascaloth]

Episode 14 article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 14 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1357)

There's just so much to learn about the newlyweds from this episode, so many themes, so much development. It is definitely one of the better-executed episodes thus far in the series....I have no qualms giving this a 10.

[SageGaiGar]

Oh yes, amidst all the lulz, a theme that's been prominent in this episode is "change" (not the Obama-slogan), as in change happening to every person's surrounding.

Things change, people change, as you grow older, you understand it better. Like Tomoya seeing the restaurant when there was none before, or hearing that the old school complex is about to be torn down.

While it's difficult to describe in words, I know how Tomoya feels, after returning from my studies abroad, I suddenly there's a high rise office tower nearby where I live when before it was a market, and etc, etc. You have to go through a certain age to understand this feeling. (Damn, did I just admit I'm getting old?)

Heh, you don't really need to be old to get it. It's more a matter of seeing your memories fade away. Maybe there is a fear that with a place gone, the memories die along with it?

Though his apprehension about the changing city might be foreshadowing something.

[Bluejay]

Did anyone else feel that the whole Nishina and Sugisaka and other girl with green hair thing was sort of... a half assed/weird character addition?

I couldn't help but think... "Their eyes match their Hair. That's cool.... They make up the colours of a TV for some reason.... Interesting"

It's as if someone said.... Name 3 colours, and they listed the 3 main ones, turning them into characters.

[King Lycan]

This episode was awesome !!! .. I can't believe Nagisan and and.............. had sex T_T NOOO Sunohara going to Kill Tomoya :heh:... Aiko-san is hilarious especially the son and dad scene and also the Rap akio :D . Nagisan in maid uniform is sexy :love: especaily the other two maids. I'm going to make my wife wear a maid outfit:love: And the fact that Nagisan told her parents she slept with Tomoya was just crazy!! and Aiko's reaction when he held Tomoya in yhis hand was just pure awesomeness :D

[Spectacular_Insanity]

This episode was made of win. The beginning alone (with Akio and Tomoya) was enough to merit a 10, but Nagisa's utter cuteness makes me wish there were an "11" option for the poll. :D

[Mecha_Trueno]

Forgot to ask... after Tomoya says he's wondering if there's that light around them as well, we see Nagisa kinda frowning (well, to me it looks like she is). Is there some deeper meaning to that? Is she maybe hiding something?

Please remember spoiler tags (if its a potential spoiler).


Still, just gotta love the reactions:http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/315/snapshot20090116221858wo8.png
She's ok with it and he's freaking out:D

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Forgot to ask... after Tomoya says he's wondering if there's that light around them as well, we see Nagisa kinda frowning (well, to me it looks like she is). Is there some deeper meaning to that? Is she maybe hiding something?

please remember spoiler tags (if its a potential spoiler).

I think she was thinking about a baby. Just because Tomoya talked about "a wish" after that expression was shown, it might have been something Nagisa had already been thinking about.

[typhonsentra]

Boy guys, they got pretty wild on their wedding night. Not only did they sleep in adjacent beds, they even held hands! Whoa you kids, take it down a notch!

[Ithekro]

Very 1950 to early 1970s American television...up until Nagisa says what they did.

[aliasxn]

Oh God... so much foreshadowing. This was quite the fun episode to watch, knowing what is going on and all.

Akio's bread is a bread that will pierce the heavens, naturally.

And I like how they're finally integrating the changing city into the plot. Wish they had started earlier, though.

What's the big deal about the changing city?

Btw, did the game explain why Tomoya didn't take Nagisa's last name when they got married (instead of her taking his)? I always thought he would get rid of his family name the first chance he got.

[Ithekro]

Best guess? He was working and she wasn't. I could imagine the difficulty in getting one's name changed at work might involve. New payroll stubs...new checkbook, new nametag, getting people to stop calling you by your old name.

Nagisa doesn't have those attachments yet.

[acr429]

just to get this out of my head
does anyone know if this is gonna end like the movie or is it going to have a new ending.

[Leo_Otaku]

just to get this out of my head
does anyone know if this is gonna end like the movie or is it going to have a new ending.

You will justhave to wait to find out 0_0 ..... I will just say yes and you can pick which one I said it to >.>

I wasn't expecting a wedding scene but when they did have that image on yahoo auctions I was like 0_0...what was that anyway? Were they movie sketches? Would have made sense...

[Beo]

It will have the correct ending; think there is a couple of them that are possible though. Now you will have to wait to find out what it is.

[Rice_slayer]

Boy guys, they got pretty wild on their wedding night. Not only did they sleep in adjacent beds, they even held hands! Whoa you kids, take it down a notch!
Lol I thought the same thing. Holding hands was THE thing for them then at the end of the episode Nagisa is pregnant? LOL what a change in their relationship. Can't wait to see what happens next.

[MeoTwister5]

Heh. Neck scratching. Heh.

This is probably the first episode where the "Nagisa" theme song way played dominantly and to completion. Absolutely fantastically beautiful...

But on to serious matters...

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I forget where I heard it from, but the origin of the word "marriage" is said to be that of "to gamble", that is to say that marrying someone is to gamble and bet on them. Having never been married, heck I don't have a girlfriend, I never really understood why it is comparable to gambling that one marries someone. But I think, as I watch this show and play the VN maybe I'll understand what it means.

"This is my home now."

It honestly never really hit me that these two are married, share a home and a life until Nagisa said this. She wants a job to help out, and yey she'll still take care of the apartment. Because this tiny, one room flat with low rent and slow-heating water is still a home.

Their home.

The distance between their futons that night is strictly a physical one, nothing more and nothing less. Their hands can easily bridge the gap, as it is nothing more than a custom of single occupancy. The gap is bridged both by hands and by words, and even by the silence, something very few people can understand.

Something greater connects them together, something no matter of physical affection can ever bridge.

The scenes that did it for me in this episodes were so quaint, mundane and everyday that if it were any other show, I'd have been bored to tears. Instead I was awwed to tears. Maybe it was because of Nagisa's theme being played, or maybe because seeing two people so meant for each other and so deserving of their hopes for happiness that I found myself also joyful, teareyed and simply awestruck. Man struggles in their pursuit of happiness, and even though these two human beings have just left the starting line of their new lives, even though full aware of the wild card life could always deal them, they continue with a smile.

Tomoya helps with the cooking. Nagisa sets the futon. Tomoya hangs a towel around his neck as they chat over dinner.

Above all that, however, is when they meet along that side road. Tomoya is dirty from work. Nagisa is coming home from job hunting which probably didn't go well. And yet on that road, to the backdrop of the setting sun, they smile at each other and walk home together.

This is real life folks, and it is nothing short of poignant.

"You can make a wish if you hold this light."

Good lord the foreshadowing. This is pretty much it. Game vets knew what the lights were even before this scene, but for everyone else pay attention to the lights and to what Tomoya had said about them. This is the magical aspect of the series and perhaps the critical component of this tale.

"A baby..."

I want to do a Beavis laugh but I won't heh. One can see just how straightforward and courageous she has become over the time we have seen her grow. Even in her work as a waitress, how she is able to bear herself despite all the dickheaded customers that hit on her and all the staring she gets, she manages to do so strongly and deal with her situation. A lesser anime lead would probably just go with it, but she can't, and she won't. The manager even mentions to Tomoya just how much she's a wise and hard worker despite her inexperience and tendency to be negative. Nothing showcases just how much she has grown and matured than this.

"Everything will change."

Tomoya can only recall the memories of the days spent in those schools. It's been years since then, but he recalls vividly and fondly, as if they were yesterday. These are memories of the time in he life when he finally encountered what it means to live and to be happy. Naturally he would be angry, sad and emotional. Again we see just how much of an anger issue he still needs to deal, and how much personal sadness he bears.

And once again, Nagisa is there to help and guide. Again she speaks to him calmly, as all couples should, to discuss their feelings and emotions in open conversation.

That is one of the pillars of marriage, isn't it?

"We slept together..." / "I knocked your daughter up!"

Okay the second one wasn't said.

But this is it. Confirmation that the central event of not only After Story but of the entire Clannad series has begun. She's pregnant. A new life is about to begin.

It all begins, again, when a child is born.

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We have 2 more episodes or more before the child is born. Well most of us already know the name they'll give.

But I guess what makes me and nervous is what will actually transpire once the child is born. The game had 2 outcomes, and only one can really happen.

Which one we won't know until the episode itslef, but game veterans pretty much have an idea which way KyotoAni will go. As such I think we've steeled up our tear glands just in case.:(:(

[Master Chibi]

Holy shit the pacing of this show is getting worse and worse.

Seriously, how am I supposed to sit there and accept the fact that she's going to have a baby, let alone that they SLEPT TOGETHER when all we're shown is them literally being nervous by holding hands and sleeping in completely separate 'beds from one another? They even devoted a minute or two to Tomoya fidgeting in the living room because she was taking a shower and now I've got accept the notion that they've done the dirty deed already? You've got to be shitting me. Did they even go out on a damn date yet at this point? I don't even remember.

I'm not complaining about them having a baby, in fact I'm all for it, but we've literally been given SHIT to lead up to it, absolute SHIT. It was literally just thrown into the last two minutes of the episode:

"OH HAY BY THE WAY DAD, I HAS A BABY"

~*yAy*~

What a giant, heaping pile of untapped romantic potential, it's a fucking tragedy. At one point I had to rewatch a scene over just to make sure I hadn't actually skipped ahead in the episode, but nope, chalk that up to the 'pacing' we're being force fed at this point.

Ugh.

[TenkenXD]

Lol, I love all the positive comments that lead up to Master Chibi's post.

Though I'll have to agree to a certain extent that there was perhaps a bit too much implied content such as a kiss let alone their private night together.

However, I still really love this show. True, it lacks a bit of intimacy but the comedy is definitely top notch and haha, Nagisa really has grown up to be a cutie. This episode was a little fast, i watched it twice to get the full effect of every scene. (especially the restaurant scene)

Bottom line, episode was great (nothing's perfect right?)

10/10 for me :D

[Master Chibi]

Hey, I have no problem admitting stuff at this point.

- Nagisa with her hair up is very pretty.

- The two of them actually LOOK grown up / like they've aged just a bit, I like that.

- She also looks pretty cute in the waitress outfit (though her friends are hotter~).

- Coming out and saying she boinked Tomoya had me rolling. lol

It still doesn't excuse the pacing / implication of much anything.

;p

[TenkenXD]

Hey, I have no problem admitting stuff at this point.

- Nagisa with her hair up is very pretty.

- The two of them actually LOOK grown up / like they've aged just a bit, I like that.

- She also looks pretty cute in the waitress outfit (though her friends are hotter~).

- Coming out and saying she boinked Tomoya had me rolling. lol

It still doesn't excuse the pacing / implication of much anything.

;p

I totally agree with every single one of those points.:D

[Ottocycle]

Seriously, how am I supposed to sit there and accept the fact that she's going to have a baby, let alone that they SLEPT TOGETHER when all we're shown is them literally being nervous by holding hands and sleeping in completely separate 'beds from one another? They even devoted a minute or two to Tomoya fidgeting in the living room because she was taking a shower and now I've got accept the notion that they've done the dirty deed already? You've got to be shitting me. Did they even go out on a damn date yet at this point? I don't even remember.

Cultural differences. Again. Nervousness in holding hands was shown in IIRC the special episode of the first season, so that's a long while ago. As for the beds, I can understand from a Western perspective why you're ranting, but this is a Japanese show, where two people of the opposite gender sleeping in the same room without at the very, very least a symbolic wall in between is not a good thing. And even that isn't resorted to without a desperate situation, come to think of it.

As for the pacing, I guess it's a little hard to put stuff together like that in an episode one significant event after another without off-putting some people. I think it's because of the short time and the little emphasis spent on these momentous events, and the unsaid notion that their daily routine takes over in between. But oh well, I get used to stuff easily.

And finally they did go on a date. See the episode 22 of S1.

[Master Chibi]

Cultural differences has no part in what I'm addressing here.

You don't go from barely being able to holding each others hands and being fidgety when she's taking a bath and you're sitting cross legged in the living to HAVING A DAMN BABY. There's too much ground missing between those two intervals for me to just happily accept it (or in your case, just get used to it, which of course doesn't really pardon it either).

I know the Japanese can be shy and they take their times with such matters and all that jazz, but I'm not talking about that. My ranting is focused primarily on pacing issues and there being too much to imply on and not enough content to actually enjoy / relish in. We're really freaking missing out.

[Ithekro]

I think I know people who are like this actually.

You never see them show a sign of affection (physical anyway, even kissing) and you'd never think they ever did anything together, yet....they got kids of their own making.

Some people are just like that. Still squirmish about intimacy even though they do have sex from time to time. Mentally it is still thought of as "dirty" and thus they still associate that thought with other intimate situations even if they have seen (or perhaps just felt...its dark) each other naked.

[Maxtro]

For some reason I don't like what Clannad has turned into. I enjoyed season one so much more than two. The humor seems to have died and it focuses too much on Nagisa and Tomoya. I haven't watched 13 or 14 yet and from what I've read in their respective threads I'm not missing much.

It seems the show is trying to hard be real and focus on a young adult relationship. Neither of which I'd care to watch.

[Master Chibi]

I think I know people who are like this actually.

You never see them show a sign of affection (physical anyway, even kissing) and you'd never think they ever did anything together, yet....they got kids of their own making.

Some people are just like that. Still squirmish about intimacy even though they do have sex from time to time. Mentally it is still thought of as "dirty" and thus they still associate that thought with other intimate situations even if they have seen (or perhaps just felt...its dark) each other naked.

Right, but there's a difference between KNOWING that this their actual behavior and simply having to imply of it otherwise, and that's why I'm getting angsty about it.

:eyespin:

[cold_snipe]

wonderful episode, go akio~
can't wait for his arc~

[IRJustman]

just to get this out of my head
does anyone know if this is gonna end like the movie or is it going to have a new ending.

I somehow doubt the former, given everything I've heard in my discussions with velocity7. The latter would largely depend on your definition of "new". I can't say much given what I believe I know for fear of being spoilericious.

Sure, there'll be some elements of the story the movie touched on. However, it bears noting that the movie either touched on things in a very cursory manner, in a different manner than the original canon, or outright didn't touch at all, given the restrictions of the format. I think it's fair to say that given episodic television format that KyoAni's going to try to tell the story as faithfully as they can in as many permutations as is practical (two as of right now when you include the DVD-only episode for the Tomoyo arc with a possible third this season for you Kyou fanfolk). As such, there'll likely be more material that the motion picture had no hope of ever touching that can--and very likely will--be covered in the TV series.

Well, we've already passed the halfway point in the series; it's just a matter of how they'll tell the remainder of the story (as well as any major permutations KyoAni wants to cover).

--Ian.

[Myssa Rei]

For some reason I don't like what Clannad has turned into. I enjoyed season one so much more than two. The humor seems to have died and it focuses too much on Nagisa and Tomoya.

Which is expected, given how things have been built upon from S1, and honestly, it wouldn't have been better any other way (though countless shippers will disagree). Also, you are forgetting the genre the original VN is part of. Think of the comedy as flavoring; THIS is the actual meat of CLANNAD.

[Ithekro]

And to think some people were tired of Fuko....
Now they want her lol ways back again.

[Myssa Rei]

Right, but there's a difference between KNOWING that this their actual behavior and simply having to imply of it otherwise, and that's why I'm getting angsty about it.

:eyespin:

In any other circumstances, as my Literature professor often said, showing is always better than telling. Still I feel that, in CLANNAD's case, despite the fact that we're given more implications than actual details, it still works.

Also, again, you can always blame KyoAni for signature avoidance of animating ANY PDAs.

[typhonsentra]

My problem isn't that they didn't show affection, my problem is that I took it for granted that it was happening behind the scenes. At the point he proposed they'd been together for just under 2 years, I was assuming they already were having sex by that point and was shocked by the episode preview which had him fidgeting while she's in the shower. At no point before that had I expected that Tomoya was still a virgin (I found that funny on it's own.). And even if he was, they've been together for so long I'd think they'd be past the "Nervous hand holding" stage by now.....

[Myssa Rei]

I dunno, kisses or intimate hugging isn't really that much of a stretch (it happened in the game before the wedding, but yeah, again, it's all implied in the anime), but a full nookie pre-wedding is. Tomoya, as far as he's been characterized in the show doesn't seem to be the type to be thinking with his groin, unlike some other male leads we've been exposed to...

[Sheba]

I think of it that way. We have grown so used to physical display of affection in western romance shows, or the ever out-of-place passionate kiss in a genre (action, horror) not meant for that, that we take the PDA in a romance anime for granted.

So when the director decided to go for another take, not show any PDA, people cringe. I don't know about KyoAni, perhaps the director is not confident enough in his own ability, perhaps he think that doing it would turn Clannad into a George Lucas Love Story (you all watched the Anakin trilogy, you know what I mean).

But the result is here. The audience is polarized, one side welcome it or accept it, the other (very vocal thanks to a minority) flail and call it an outrage. So what's left? We have to trust it on the animators to execute it in the body language of the characters, their glances, etc... We also have to count on the voice actors to convey the right tone for the emotion, to remind us that they are the couple.

[Myssa Rei]

Well, you know me Sheba. I'm perfectly fine with implications and subtle nuances instead of overt expressions of affection. ;)

[Ottocycle]

Cultural differences has no part in what I'm addressing here.

You don't go from barely being able to holding each others hands and being fidgety when she's taking a bath and you're sitting cross legged in the living to HAVING A DAMN BABY. There's too much ground missing between those two intervals for me to just happily accept it (or in your case, just get used to it, which of course doesn't really pardon it either).

I know the Japanese can be shy and they take their times with such matters and all that jazz, but I'm not talking about that. My ranting is focused primarily on pacing issues and there being too much to imply on and not enough content to actually enjoy / relish in. We're really freaking missing out.
Well, you did bold the 'not sleeping in the same bed', so I'm just trying to tell you that what they had in this episode isn't much of a difference from sleeping in the same bed in their culture. They just need to sleep in the same room, without any barrier, to show the Japanese audience(not us) an example of the married couple behaviour that you've been saying that is missing.

Besides, with this young couple scrimping and saving, that little difference is nothing compared to their need for financial freedom. And that of course determines their pick between buying a two-person futon, and a one-man one.

As for the pacing, I agree with Sheba. The perspective one holds before watching a show is kind of critical to how he will enjoy it(or not). In this case I guess we could say that 'Romantic development is in the eye of the beholder'. :p

[Rice_slayer]

I dunno, kisses or intimate hugging isn't really that much of a stretch (it happened in the game before the wedding, but yeah, again, it's all implied in the anime), but a full nookie pre-wedding is. Tomoya, as far as he's been characterized in the show doesn't seem to be the type to be thinking with his groin, unlike some other male leads we've been exposed to...

Are you implying of a certain Mankoto:heh: I honestly don't get the pacing either, but If you read between the lines, they do show lots of intimacy. The whole scene when he is walking home from work and sees nagisa. I know they won't show making out in this show, but I think they tried to say they were going to when Nagisa said she wants a baby. They probably did it right after that, I know I would have:p

[Master Chibi]

Ok, maybe outrage at the need to imply all the real romantic happenings is overboard, but you have to admit that the show couldn't actually NOT benefit from such things.

:P

[SageGaiGar]

Ok, maybe outrage at the need to imply all the real romantic happenings is overboard, but you have to admit that the show couldn't actually NOT benefit from such things.

:P

A valid point, but it's something we've read/seen countless times before. If anything this has been one of the more 'conservative' shows.

It is kind of mind blowing that he isn't completely thinking with his other 'head'. 'In my romantic comedy? GTFO.' This season's definitely taken a slide more towards slice of life and drama, with enough comedy bits from Akio to balance it out a little. The comedy is the sugar frosting, just enough to sweeten it up.

A while back someone mentioned the connection between marriage and gambling, it probably has to do with arranged marriages. You never quite knew who you were going to end up with. And either the couple connected or they didn't. Or they made an effort to connect anyway. Some couple end up together under almost 'shotgun wedding' like circumstances yet manage to eventually become a meaningful couple, despite their quirks. Does this make sense?

[Vegard Aune]

...Wow, I knew that part at the end of the episode would be coming sooner or later, but I really didn't expect it THIS soon, nor did I think it would be portrayed so... comically... Not that I'm complaining, it just surprised me. Apart from that, Akio was awesome, the scenes of Tomoya and Nagisa together were cute, and for once, the ending actually felt apropriate. I'd give this episode a 9/10, which is a step down from last week, but hey, one can't expect EVERY episode to be perfect... Now, I'm expecting the last 10 episodes to be utterly flawless! (Contradicting yourself is awesome, by the way.)

[Kaisos Erranon]

I dunno, kisses or intimate hugging isn't really that much of a stretch (it happened in the game before the wedding, but yeah, again, it's all implied in the anime), but a full nookie pre-wedding is. Tomoya, as far as he's been characterized in the show doesn't seem to be the type to be thinking with his groin, unlike some other male leads we've been exposed to...

Although, in the game, the player is given the option...

Nagisa's taking a shower. Her underwear is on the floor...
>Take them
>Don't

Nagisa's gone out...
>Go through her underwear drawer
>Don't

Akio is offering me a choice...
>Take his porn
>Take Sanae's underwear
>Take neither

Man, it's hot outside... I wonder if girls still smell nice when they're sweating...
>SCIENCE!
>Leave her alone

[Janey777]

I suggest that authors merely want to display a truly pure platonic relationship. Okazaki's union is still beautiful as it is, without any physical content implied. They made a FAMILY and learning how to deal with each other in that way and handle various situations. Remember that most animes with romance don't go this far - no marriage follows, and parents are usually not involved. Family is the main subject - of this episode and Clannad in a whole. That makes it Unique, since ecchi stuff is already overdone in other series.

Plus, the way a "sleep-over" fact was revealed at the end of the episode is much more amazing other than if we saw some cliche "prelude before doing THIS" scene earlier, don't you think so. The way she confessed it before her parenets and husband... must be one of the most epic scenes in history of the anime :D
Series is still going, so maybe we will get some kind of intimate scenes in a manner of flashbacks, I suppose :)

[kk2extreme]

Although, in the game, the player is given the option...

here are my choices :naughty:

take them

go threw the drawer

take sanae's underwear

SCIENCE

[typhonsentra]

Shouldn't it go without saying a married couple is having sex? Again the problem isn't that the romance isn't shown, the problem is that what is shown is what you'd normally associate with a very young couple at the beginning of their relationship. Not newlyweds who have been dating for 2 years.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Shouldn't it go without saying a married couple is having sex? Again the problem isn't that the romance isn't shown, the problem is that what is shown is what you'd normally associate with a very young couple at the beginning of their relationship. Not newlyweds who have been dating for 2 years.

This is Japan, for one thing...

For another, in the game, Tomoya and Nagisa are less physically intimate than any other pairing, although they at least have SOME physical contact.

I think the important thing is that they love each other, really.

[typhonsentra]

I really don't see how this taking place in Japan would matter in this particular case.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I really don't see how this taking place in Japan would matter in this particular case.

Uh...

I just won't go here. Someone will get offended somehow.

[Klashikari]

I really don't see how this taking place in Japan would matter in this particular case.
The location is relevant because the culture is drastically different, until you believe US culture is the norm (which is absolutely not).

Japanese are known to be extremely prude, and you don't see much active sex activities in a conjugal situation (the demography is aging very badly recently).
Of course, you do have "normal couples", but there are a lot of couples that can't even have sex more than once a month or something.
That applies as well for intimate and affection etc (remember folks: you don't kiss right in the open in Japan. You don't even talk about your girlfriend/boyfriend etc openly etc).

So please remove the idea that "the vision of a couple" you have must be applied in a fiction, especially if it is based on some totally different culture.

[Master Chibi]

You people have to stop using 'It's taking place' in Japan as a fallback to what we're complaining / talking about.

My biggest gripe is the pacing. It's awful. All the real important stuff, her actually finishing high school, her dream with the drama club, actual, honest to god displays of affection, are just being withheld from us, and all we're being given is the end result. There's as much to love about the end result as there should be with the journey it took to get there, but we are being denied of that. If people have invested this much time to care for the characters, at the very least we want to actually see the characters care for each other just a little tiny bit.

And noone is talking about 'ecchi' / pornographic stuff either. No one's asking Tomoya to jump into the shower to bonk Nagisa behind a curtain in the anime. I've already brought up that body language goes a very, very long way in these instances, and it can be applied without having any sexual overtones to it at all. Toradora and To Aru Majutsu no Index have done this on several occasions, and it's done wonders in displaying the workings of the relationships in said shows.

Clannad has steered, far, far, far away from even that, and again, in terms of actually telling the story it feels like horribly wasted potential. I'm not asking for them to be all over each other, I'm not asking for them to kiss one another every two seconds, or to act like drunk in love newlyweds.

I'm just asking for SOMETHING because we really haven't been given ANYTHING and that's a shame. The first time I've come across a show to go this far in an established relationship with two characters and it still feels like it's lacking so much.

[Beo]

Its sort of sad, just because its not going as you wish you have a fit. No amount of arguing or badgering is going to change the show. Ether you are going to like it or not and if someone else has a different like or dislike, it does not mean ether of you are right or wrong.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'm just asking for SOMETHING because we really haven't been given ANYTHING and that's a shame. The first time I've come across a show to go this far in an established relationship with two characters and it still feels like it's lacking so much.

Seriously, go play the game. You'd love it.

It also does an excellent job of putting the player in Tomoya's position, which I thought was awesome.

[Proto]

To be truthful to a more moderate level I'm with Master Chibi in that I'm disappointed in how KyoAni has treated the physical affection between the couple.(Quoting myself, there is a difference between 'just a little', and 'subtle' and 'plain nothing', 'nada' and non existent.) I still see one or two ways in which they could fix this, but somehow I don't see it coming. Aw well.

[Klashikari]

That is the same for me (I did complain as well for the "stingy" side of it) and advocating with the game content is moot point here.
However, I believe there is also a very strong problem in term of culture in this storytelling, as some people can't picture "a couple unable to hug/kiss right on the open suddenly able to have sex".
That is, the problem is how the anime series is using many flashforwards and thus certainly reduced a lot further implicit hints that could have been used (such like both being very uneasy earlier than that point of the plot).

But aside of that, it is rather how the perspective of some is satisfied with the implicit alone or not.
That is, it is quite ironic that most noted many scenes that they could kiss and the like, though the series didn't show that. That shows how much the mood and both are working for such kind of relationship, yet the animators just don't use a face value event.

[Master Chibi]

Its sort of sad, just because its not going as you wish you have a fit. No amount of arguing or badgering is going to change the show. Ether you are going to like it or not and if someone else has a different like or dislike, it does not mean ether of you are right or wrong.

I never said anyone else was wrong, or that I was right, it's just the need to bring up the actual location (Japan) has little to nothing to do with the complaints being brought across (again, primarily focused on pacing and we're losing because of it).

Telling me how Japanese couples act differently then American couples holds no water to explaining why the pacing has been so rushed. And again, even if they didn't want to show such things, I've given the simple sample of body language that would have been more than enough for what we're 'missing'.

Seriously, go play the game. You'd love it.

It also does an excellent job of putting the player in Tomoya's position, which I thought was awesome.

I'd probably play the game Tomoyo first, or whatever it is, since she's definitely the character I'm much more interested in, but perhaps I'll take up your offer on that.

To be truthful to a more moderate level I'm with Master Chibi in that I'm disappointed in how KyoAni has treated the physical affection between the couple.(Quoting myself, there is a difference between 'just a little', and 'subtle' and 'plain nothing', 'nada' and non existent.) I still see one or two ways in which they could fix this, but somehow I don't see it coming. Aw well.

Again, it's not a surprise that I'm going overboard with my literary antics here, but things have been pretty damn dry, so I'm glad someone else sees eye to eye with me on that matter.

:p

[Myssa Rei]

Egads, Master Chibi managed to convince someone? What is the world coming to?

I'm actually taking a post-grad course in Creative Writing, and I have mentioned before that, in all reason by virtue of my degree (Comm Arts with focus on Written Communication) I should be complaining as much as he is. 'Show, don't tell' has always been a mantra my professor drilled into me, and CLANNAD is doing none of the former, and relying on indirect hints for the latter.

And yet I'm not complaining. Call me weird, but I think that, had KyoAni bit the bullet and tried their hands at animating PDA, the feel of the show would be different. It wouldn't so idealized, for one.

[Ottocycle]

Why I think the culture argument holds water: The intended audience gets more implications that the creators are intending to bring out, in contrast to us. That's all I'm trying to say. If we don't get the implications, it's not their fault, this thing has no chance of airing on Western TV anyway.

I kinda agree that its kind of weird of them not even showing a single kiss though. One would be enough, IMO. But I guess beggars can't be choosers.

[RandomFlameStrike]

Well, I do agree a little bit with Chibi here. The paceing does seem wierd to me since I've played the game and I keep seeing a bunch of stuff cut out XD, however my love for Clannad is too great for me to really get mad at such things.

Well, I'd also recommend Chibi to play the game. There's some really awesome Tomoyo content, and There are tons of moments where Nagisa x Tomoya show just the kind of physical intimacy that Chibi would like. They go from first names, to holding hands, to kissing, to hugging, and it doesn't seem as fast when they get the bomb. Although it was still just as surprising x.x
In between all the "OMG CLANNAD IS AWESOME" going around in my head I also get some "*sigh* why'd they have to skip that, oh well...." I have a beggers can't be choosers attitude to this though haha.

[typhonsentra]

Uh...

I just won't go here. Someone will get offended somehow.

.... What? Do you really believe there are real-world newlywed couples (Not in arranged marriages) anywhere in the world that you wouldn't be expected to be sexually intimate after marrying? Yes there are differences between cultures, this however is something that's universal. Even Akio before it was confirmed jokingly brought it up ("She might already be pregnant!").

The location is relevant because the culture is drastically different, until you believe US culture is the norm (which is absolutely not).

Japanese are known to be extremely prude, and you don't see much active sex activities in a conjugal situation (the demography is aging very badly recently).
Of course, you do have "normal couples", but there are a lot of couples that can't even have sex more than once a month or something.
That applies as well for intimate and affection etc (remember folks: you don't kiss right in the open in Japan. You don't even talk about your girlfriend/boyfriend etc openly etc).

So please remove the idea that "the vision of a couple" you have must be applied in a fiction, especially if it is based on some totally different culture.

We seem to be having a misunderstanding here, I can and have accepted the idea that these characters might be wary of public displays of affection, all I'm concerned with talking about here is how they behave in private. And yes, older couples don't have sex as often as younger ones (This too is not unique to any culture). At it's core marriage is an agreement to have sex with one person and only that person, even in Japan. I guess you could use her condition as an excuse for why they might not be intimate if you wanted but in any other situation where both parties are capable, healthy I'd think that if they weren't having sex something was wrong in their relationship.

[Leo_Otaku]

I noticed that they have not shown a certain kiss scene yet. I have noticed too, that affection in Japan is very non displayed to just simply holding hands in public. But behind closed doors or if the were alone maybe we could see a small kiss.

[MeoTwister5]

I'm personally somewhere in the middle somewhere. I find it much more difficult for a story, much more an animated one, to imply and reflect physical affection without even showing it. The ability to imply that there is something in there that runs deep and true, without actually showing it, but proving to the viewer that it does exist is hard in any medium.

That said, they did cut out a few from the game, most notably the kissing scene. A personal romantic bias on my part, but I'd also like to see some of the scenes animated. The pacing did rush a few things in this episode, the gap between sex and actual conception and implantation of an ovum can go for a bit over a week. While I really enjoyed them holding hands in their sleep, we really COULD use a more intimate scene or two.

But of course, considering the events that would happen 2-3 episodes from now, I have an inkling that the studio will give us something, at least one.

[Eddward]

Just giving my opinion here.

I think everything is so weird I mean look at them. Even when they're alone they barley hold hands, we've never seen a kiss or anything. Then sudenly they slept together?. Man that's just f*cked up to be honest.. :\

[Kaisos Erranon]

That said, they did cut out a few from the game, most notably the kissing scene. A personal romantic bias on my part, but I'd also like to see some of the scenes animated. The pacing did rush a few things in this episode, the gap between sex and actual conception and implantation of an ovum can go for a bit over a week. While I really enjoyed them holding hands in their sleep, we really COULD use a more intimate scene or two.

Um. This episode took place from about April to June...

[MeoTwister5]

I'm almost pretty sure the calendar in the game was off at this point. Then again I don't think there was a calendar in the GUI during much of the entire After Story...

Edit - Yeah I just checked, no calendar where it was in the School arcs. I don't know why they actually removed it in the first place, sort of reduced the presence of time in the game.

Also yeah the kissing scene was a premarital event, but my point is that it could be done pretty much anytime after the School Arcs at is was... bah it's a spoiler, but it can be inserted anytime during AS as it was something of an independent event.

[Rice_slayer]

Seriously, go play the game. You'd love it.

It also does an excellent job of putting the player in Tomoya's position, which I thought was awesome.

Question about that, Where do you get the game and is it in english or subbed in english? I would LOVE to play through the game...

[TenkenXD]

Question about that, Where do you get the game and is it in english or subbed in english? I would LOVE to play through the game...

i got it from animea if you're interested though it's a real pain in the arse to dl and patch it without it freaking out and then u have to re-dl everything. In the end i think it's totally worth it :D:D:D

[Ascaloth]

Time for a little Social Psychology.

According to Robert Sternburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sternberg)'s triangular theory of love (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love)*, love within the context of interpersonal relationships are characterized by three different factors;

Intimacy - feelings of closeness, connectedness, and bondedness.
Passion - drives that leads to romance, physical attraction, and sexual consummation
Commitment - the decision to remain with another in the short term, and the shared achievements and plans made with that other in the long term.

The “type” of love a couple experiences depends on the strengths of these factors relative to each other. In the case of the Okazakis, their relationship may be categorized as companionate love, which "is an intimate, non-passionate type of love that is stronger than friendship because of the element of long-term commitment. Sexual desire is not an element of companionate love. This type of love is often found in marriages in which the passion has gone out of the relationship but a deep affection and commitment remain."

Considering that the Okazakis were shown as not particularly "physical" to begin with, I'd dare say what they have is this form of love, instead of the "impossibility" that a few others here see it as. Of course, I'd dare say just one or two scenes of them hugging or kissing wouldn't hurt either....although I like to think of it this way; give the two some privacy, lol. :p

* Sternberg, R. J. (1988). The Triangle of Love: Intimacy, Passion, Commitment. New York: Basic Books. ISBN 0-465-08746-9.

[Proto]

Hmm... companionate love is normally a stage matured relationships go through, It is also often found in deep friendships, and, like the article says, in true family relationships. However it would be a little surreal to ask that type of relationship considering what we have seen from the Okazaki's. . Chemically speaking, love between a male and a female in its early stages is nothing more than the byproduct of high levels of testosterone . Namely physical attraction. Completely excluding this factor is what you'd expect from pastoral poetry, not from magical realism.

As such, I doubt you will be able to explain their behavior through real life sociology and psychology. Note, I am not saying that it is not companionate love, because it is. I am not challenging that. What I am questioning is the context and its subsequent conclusion we are being presented with.. Given the development the characters have been given, the result we have seen through the Anime is not what one would expect from the genre the series has established into. It should NOT be companionate love. In truth, it is little more than the animation studio own take of the story. Artistic license.

[MeoTwister5]

One of my psychology professors used to say that despite the advances in the field, psychology will never ever truly explain the intricacies of the human mind and human relationships.

Not to say that it is useless, but it might be incorrect and maybe unfair to simply categorize human mental process and behavior to certain labels.

And yes there is a biological basis for intimacy and love as reflected by increases in neurotransmitters and androgen hormones, but medical science has yet yo explain a biochemical basis for love beyond a physiological response. Love seems to exist and reflect even when homeostasis is the same for everyone else, and medicine might never fully explain this.

[jennkei]

Interesting psych discussion going on regarding the nature of Tomoya's and Nagisa's relationship -- I haven't watched this ep yet, but I've heard enough about the bombshell to go o.O myself many times over.

...Still can't quite believe it. Wonder if that'll change after I watch the ep? XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

.... What? Do you really believe there are real-world newlywed couples (Not in arranged marriages) anywhere in the world that you wouldn't be expected to be sexually intimate after marrying? Yes there are differences between cultures, this however is something that's universal. Even Akio before it was confirmed jokingly brought it up ("She might already be pregnant!").

That wasn't what I meant...

I'm almost pretty sure the calendar in the game was off at this point. Then again I don't think there was a calendar in the GUI during much of the entire After Story...

Only during the first little arc.

It turned off during a lot of the other routes too, so...

Question about that, Where do you get the game and is it in english or subbed in english? I would LOVE to play through the game...

Game can be found on any site that'll import from Japan... you might have to jump through a few hoops to find a translation and voice patch. Google is your friend.

Time for a little Social Psychology.

According to Robert Sternburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sternberg)'s triangular theory of love (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love)*, love within the context of interpersonal relationships are characterized by three different factors;

Intimacy - feelings of closeness, connectedness, and bondedness.
Passion - drives that leads to romance, physical attraction, and sexual consummation
Commitment - the decision to remain with another in the short term, and the shared achievements and plans made with that other in the long term.

The “type” of love a couple experiences depends on the strengths of these factors relative to each other. In the case of the Okazakis, their relationship may be categorized as companionate love, which "is an intimate, non-passionate type of love that is stronger than friendship because of the element of long-term commitment. Sexual desire is not an element of companionate love. This type of love is often found in marriages in which the passion has gone out of the relationship but a deep affection and commitment remain."

Considering that the Okazakis were shown as not particularly "physical" to begin with, I'd dare say what they have is this form of love, instead of the "impossibility" that a few others here see it as. Of course, I'd dare say just one or two scenes of them hugging or kissing wouldn't hurt either....although I like to think of it this way; give the two some privacy, lol. :p

* Sternberg, R. J. (1988). The Triangle of Love: Intimacy, Passion, Commitment. New York: Basic Books. ISBN 0-465-08746-9.

You sound like my textbooks. That's kind of scary.

[GLH]

Just watched the episode.

First of all, Akio needs his own show. When it come to being serious and advancing the story (i.e. The way he acted at the end of Nagisa's arc during the first season) he leaves much to be desired, but when he's purely there for comedy, he's gold!

Also, lol @ the defending of Tomoya and Nagisa's underdeveloped and rushed relationship. I love all the psychology discussion and trying to defend their relationship by practically claiming their relationship is so innocent and pure that we don't need to see anything intimate. :heh:

The fact is, Naisa may be shy, but she does crave physical intimacy. Even if it's only holding hands, she shows that she wants to be closer to Tomoya. Whether the show shows it or not, one can infer that she wants to take it further than that. On the other hand, Tomoya is a guy. He has his awesome relationship with his High School sweetheart, but he's still a guy and still wants some. Culture is irrelevant. KyoAni could have at least dropped some hints.

My biggest problem, however, remains to be the pacing. Let me put it this way. In the last 5 episodes Tomoya finished his final year of High School, worked at the bakery, moved out into his own apartment, got another job, supported Nagisa as she endured another year of school, dealt with his Dad's latest issue, listened to Yusuke's past, proposed to Nagisa, got Akio's blessing, held a graduation type ceremony for Nagisa, made their marriage official, moved Nagisa in, watched Nagisa get herself a job, and finally got Nagisa pregnant. I'm not sure of the timeline but it has to be around 2 total years from Tomoya graduating to Nagisa getting pregnant right? On the other hand, from episodes 4-9, the same amount of episodes as my previous example, we were pretty much treated with Fuko basically creating wedding invitations, attending a fake class led by Sanae, and attending her sister's wedding. All over a very short amount of time.

Do the events in those two examples deserve the same amount of screen time? I don't think so. You could probably say the same when comparing it to Kotomi's arc. It just seems like KyoAni didn't think things through well. Or they're just nuts and believe carving starfish is worth as much time as Tomoya and Nagisa entering adulthood and starting their lives/family together. You know, the relationship that is supposed to be the meat of the story!

No matter how the series finishes, I'll always look at Clannad as wasted potential. From both the original story creators, Key, and the animators, KyoAni. Both groups were coming off similar efforts with their previous works (i.e. Air & Kanon), yet both seemed to lose focus along the way. Shame really, like I said, there was a lot of potential here.

P.S. Anyone who bashed the Yuuichi/Ayu relationship/kiss better not be defending the development of this relationship!

[Master Chibi]

God, am I in an alternate universe or something?

People not only agree with me, they have problems with the same things I do?

I need to sit down.

:eyespin:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Just watched the episode.

First of all, Akio needs his own show. When it come to being serious and advancing the story (i.e. The way he acted at the end of Nagisa's arc during the first season) he leaves much to be desired, but when he's purely there for comedy, he's gold!

Also, lol @ the defending of Tomoya and Nagisa's underdeveloped and rushed relationship. I love all the psychology discussion and trying to defend their relationship by practically claiming their relationship is so innocent and pure that we don't need to see anything intimate. :heh:

The fact is, Naisa may be shy, but she does crave physical intimacy. Even if it's only holding hands, she shows that she wants to be closer to Tomoya. Whether the show shows it or not, one can infer that she wants to take it further than that. On the other hand, Tomoya is a guy. He has his awesome relationship with his High School sweetheart, but he's still a guy and still wants some. Culture is irrelevant. KyoAni could have at least dropped some hints.

My biggest problem, however, remains to be the pacing. Let me put it this way. In the last 5 episodes Tomoya finished his final year of High School, worked at the bakery, moved out into his own apartment, got another job, supported Nagisa as she endured another year of school, dealt with his Dad's latest issue, listened to Yusuke's past, proposed to Nagisa, got Akio's blessing, held a graduation type ceremony for Nagisa, made their marriage official, moved Nagisa in, watched Nagisa get herself a job, and finally got Nagisa pregnant. I'm not sure of the timeline but it has to be around 2 total years from Tomoya graduating to Nagisa getting pregnant right? On the other hand, from episodes 4-9, the same amount of episodes as my previous example, we were pretty much treated with Fuko basically creating wedding invitations, attending a fake class led by Sanae, and attending her sister's wedding. All over a very short amount of time.

Do the events in those two examples deserve the same amount of screen time? I don't think so. You could probably say the same when comparing it to Kotomi's arc. It just seems like KyoAni didn't think things through well. Or they're just nuts and believe carving starfish is worth as much time as Tomoya and Nagisa entering adulthood and starting their lives/family together. You know, the relationship that is supposed to be the meat of the story!

No matter how the series finishes, I'll always look at Clannad as wasted potential. From both the original story creators, Key, and the animators, KyoAni. Both groups were coming off similar efforts with their previous works (i.e. Air & Kanon), yet both seemed to lose focus along the way. Shame really, like I said, there was a lot of potential here.

P.S. Anyone who bashed the Yuuichi/Ayu relationship/kiss better not be defending the development of this relationship!

I really hope you've played Clannad before you make statements like that...

After Story, the game's After Story, is paced similar to this, i.e. much faster than the School Life routes. Probably because a lot less happens in Tomoya's day to day life.

KyoAni is just following the game, although they are still cutting out a lot... but that has nothing to do with the pacing of the story.

There really isn't any other way they can do it...

[Ottocycle]

I really hope you've played Clannad before you make statements like that...

After Story, the game's After Story, is paced similar to this, i.e. much faster than the School Life routes. Probably because a lot less happens in Tomoya's day to day life.

Well in his defense he did mention Key in the same breath as Kyoani though, so I guess he doesn't think too well of both.

[MeoTwister5]

Based on GLH's post, probably not.

The studio is doing a textbook VN to anime adaptation similar to what they did with Air and Kanon, with the required edits here and there.

If you have an issue with the pacing, it's because of the game, not the series.

[MeoTwister5]

Actually I said I was referring to GLH but... meh.:eyespin:

[typhonsentra]

That wasn't what I meant...
Okay then.

[Ithekro]

I seem to recall some couples that (usually because of religious dogma) only have close physical relations and sex for reproductive purposes. No other reason...ever. Not even as newlyweds if they could not yet afford a child.

Some people are just like that. Physical contact is "dirty" and "sinful" afterall. Very Victorian really. or Puritan even.

[RandomFlameStrike]

Heh you can find all ranges of the spectrum I guess.

[Leo_Otaku]

I really hope you've played Clannad before you make statements like that...

After Story, the game's After Story, is paced similar to this, i.e. much faster than the School Life routes. Probably because a lot less happens in Tomoya's day to day life.

KyoAni is just following the game, although they are still cutting out a lot... but that has nothing to do with the pacing of the story.

There really isn't any other way they can do it...

I highly agree they made some harsh comments Clannd is by FAR superior in progression of story than in AIR or Kanon from KEY. The story is more solid and complex.
They showed enough of his day to day life without brinking on pointless. As mentioned before it isn't expanded upon in the story. What is there to really see? 0_0

[Sinestra]

Though the pacing was fairly fast its nice to see so much progression in Clannad. Im always in favor of animes that take that extra mile. We have come a long way people from them barely knowing each other to marriage to them becoming parents i always enjoy seeing the after effect. Itazura na Kiss was one of my favorites because of the time they took to show the progression of Kotoko and Irie's relationship the final result was marriage and a baby that series did one of the best jobs iv seen in a long time in terms of progressing a story over the course of years.

The fact that Nagisa got up the courage to say that she had sex with Tomoya was just too damn funny. At least they got the time right for her pregnancy. When her and Tomoya are discussing her finding a job she said in a month a new family restaurant would be opening and now a month later she finds out she pregnant.

Sanae as i figured was the voice of reason she was a young mother herself so im sure she knows what Nagisa is going through. But to be such young parents i dont know how i feel about honestly neither of them have actually lived life they lived school life and are just entering the real world. Dont get me wrong im happy for them i love this kind of snappy crap i just question if they ready cultural difference or not immaturity is still immaturity.

The fact that Nagisa bluntly said her wish would be baby was a feat within its self for her to actually say it was outstanding. I noticed that Nagisa's health popped up a few times as well. If you think about it now is the best time health wise for her to have a child. Because we dont know if her health will get worse as she gets older making it harder to conceive a child. Either way nicely done episode especially all the things changing around them and Tomoya struggling to accept it. So in the end not only is Nagisa and Tomoya the first out of the group to get married but the first to have a child too. WOW

[JPZ]

Although, in the game, the player is given the option...

i need to play more of the game

and yea great episode.

[Nochgo]

Ahem, anyhow... this episode.... was freaking awesome. First of all, it had me really rofl from the first 30 seconds with the father-son thing, and the higurashi referance. Then, the sunglasses made me go doriiiiru. MC Akio was also very funny. Then the episode really grilled me and and burnt me with the Nagisa moeness (waitress uniform). Then, of course, there was the Nagisa's dropping THE BOMB. (ﾟДﾟ) (ﾟДﾟ) (ﾟДﾟ) (ﾟДﾟ). 私と智也くんは夫婦ですから...エッチなこともしちゃってます！Amazing, as Tomoya put it. And his expression all the while was hilarious too. Akio is like, you picked it up in a cabbage field? lol

Ahem, though this episode was epic, I was a bit disappointed by the lack of show of affection between the couple. Come on, at least a kiss scene before the assumed bed scene so we can at least deduce it happened after that. Jeez, how hard is it to put in a kiss scene, really? In truth, it doesn't really change my view of Clannad even if they do put such scenes or not, but it makes me wonder if the director is embarrassed in doing such scenes or something ^^; I mean, whatever the reasoning the director had, it still doesn't justify the lack of a single kiss in a romance anime =_=.

[Ithekro]

Perhaps kissing scenes are considered DVD content? You want kissing, buy the DVDs, maybe?

[Falcen7]

Now that you mention it...it is a shame that there is no kiss scene in there somewhere.

Well, whatever, Nagisa and Tomoya are still one of my favorite anime couples! :)

[Nerroth]

I guess it might be interesting to compare how KyoAni might have done things had they decided to continue animating the Tomoyo arc, and gone into Tomoyo After (possibly drawing from the non-H PS2 version of the story) and seeing whether or not Tomoya and Tomoyo would have been shown to be more intimate on-screen than Tomoya and Nagisa are in AS...

[Change of Pace]

Throw me in the boat of uproar for romance if you wish, but personally, I can't focus on the episodes because I'm too caught up in the fact that KyoAni zapped any real romance between these two, and kept it just implied. I MISS THE HAREM, seriously. If they're together, then the audience should be given at least one kiss scene, no matter what quality, before being told that the next generation is on the way. WHAT THE F***.

That said, the Higurashi / Gurren Lagann parodies made the episode worth it as well as MC Akio YO.

[king12354]

Actually, if I haven't played the game, I might be more upset with the pacing. Even in the game when Nagisa said she had a baby, I was like "HUH? WHAT DID I MISS?!" But I think you guys will get over it, it isn't really a big deal and you'll get the meaning.

As for the relationship between Nagisa and Tomoya, I guess what Key and KyoAni tried to portray was that kisses do not show us the real romance between the two. Tomoya isn't with Nagisa because she's cute or Nagisa isn't with Tomoya because he's hot. It's that their love for one another is shown by them just being there for each other whether it's to climb that long hill, get on the stage to act, face a hated father; they support one another to get through their problems and I think that it shows their affection for one another more than what a kiss can ever show. All in all, I think that the producers didn't want to show that their relationship was a standard love affair but something much more that they, uh how do I say it without giving anything away? -_-

Anyway, you'll see.

[darry]

Actually, if I haven't played the game, I might be more upset with the pacing. Even in the game when Nagisa said she had a baby, I was like "HUH? WHAT DID I MISS?!" But I think you guys will get over it, it isn't really a big deal and you'll get the meaning.

As for the relationship between Nagisa and Tomoya, I guess what Key and KyoAni tried to portray was that kisses do not show us the real romance between the two. Tomoya isn't with Nagisa because she's cute or Nagisa isn't with Tomoya because he's hot. It's that their love for one another is shown by them just being there for each other whether it's to climb that long hill, get on the stage to act, face a hated father; they support one another to get through their problems and I think that it shows their affection for one another more than what a kiss can ever show. All in all, I think that the producers didn't want to show that their relationship was a standard love affair but something much more that they, uh how do I say it without giving anything away? -_-

Anyway, you'll see.

wow finally someone who understands it

[Nochgo]

Well, no matter what anyone says and no matter the circumstances, I still think kiss is a good way to show affection, and there shouldn't be any reason to not have such a scene. I mean, I do understand that kisses aren't good indicator of the "strength" of affection between a couple, but there is no harm done in having a scene. It can only help, not belitte, our image of the couple.

[Sorrow-K]

Considering that the Okazakis were shown as not particularly "physical" to begin with, I'd dare say what they have is this form of love, instead of the "impossibility" that a few others here see it as. Of course, I'd dare say just one or two scenes of them hugging or kissing wouldn't hurt either....although I like to think of it this way; give the two some privacy, lol. :p
Yeah, but the audience of a TV anime is innately voyeuristic. We wanna see things. I've never fully understood just why myself, but that's why you see romance fans talking at length about wanting to see the main couple kiss at the end of an anime. It's a pay-off of some sort.

Two comments about this episode. Akio disturbed me. Frequently. First with the rap session and second with him frequenting Nagisa's workplace to take pictures of her. "Eccentric" doesn't even begin to describe Akio.

Second, I agree with what others have said about a lack of displays of intimacy between Nagisa and Tomoya. On the one hand, you have this "pay off" phenomenon that I mentioned above, but I think the more important aspect of it is just pure storytelling. Klashikari said it. It's hard to picture. Clearly, it's all been happening off-camera. I mean, we know they've hugged, we know they've kissed, and we know now that they've had sex. But we haven't seen the hugs or the kisses for ourselves, so being told they've been having sex isn't just a bombshell, it's a tonne of bricks dropped on your back. I can't be the only one who had an initially skeptical reaction to the revelation. The evidence is there for all to see, obviously. But it does fly in the face of the "show, don't tell" approach to storytelling. If we've seen them at least hug or even kiss, I reckon it would have been much more instantly believable they were having sex.

The right to privacy is an interesting idea, and given the generally modest tone of Clannad and particularly Nagisa (I'd certainly suggest there's been far less modesty with how they've approached Kyou's sexuality, for example, but Kyou is a very different character to Nagisa), the Okazakis deserve their privacy for all things sexual. But, IMO, they've given up their privacy for everything else (ie, hugs and kisses) by being characters in a romance anime. As long as it isn't excessive, obviously, but I do think the audience has a right to see these things, one reason at the very least is because it aids the storytelling. (Another reason being that this is what people want to see).

[Scary Zet]

Have just watched the episode. That was extremely awesome, perfect! No words to describe my pleasure.

Someone mentioned it, and I have just realized, that KyoAni, indeed, can include some extra scenes into the DVD-version of the show. I hope they do so; maybe we'd get some "intimacy" between Nagisa and Tomoya shown there ;)

Still reading this topic...

[Ascaloth]

Yeah, but the audience of a TV anime is innately voyeuristic. We wanna see things. I've never fully understood just why myself, but that's why you see romance fans talking at length about wanting to see the main couple kiss at the end of an anime. It's a pay-off of some sort.

It's really interesting that you brought up the voyeuristic nature of the audience, because it is exactly one of the things I've learned in the Theatre Studies module I took last year. If you want, I suppose I could go dig up the notes from that module, but eh, not much point even if I do so, it's all the same thing anyway. We're all voyeurs here. :heh:

Two comments about this episode. Akio disturbed me. Frequently. First with the rap session and second with him frequenting Nagisa's workplace to take pictures of her. "Eccentric" doesn't even begin to describe Akio.

Hey, even so I don't think he's as bad as a certain Izumi Souichiro yet. :p

[Nerroth]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nagisa pretended not to recognise Akio, so she wouldn't ruin his fun...

...but then, you never know.

[Ithekro]

Considering the antics Akio plays with Sanae, you'd either expect Nagisa to be familiar with them, and/or she sees them as normal, thus doesn't interfere. Sanae's been with Akio long enough to probably know what he is doing (she seems fairly competent the rest of the time) and probably enjoys the attention.

But then, as mentioned..."you never now".

[LeaD36]

WE ARE HAVING SEX

made me rofl:D

[BigGimp77]

I've been too busy to post all season but I just have to say...

The end of this episode had me cracking up. It's easily my favorite scene so far this season lol.

[kyouray]

WE ARE HAVING SEX
made me rofl:D
Haha yeah that was priceless :D

[Nukerjsr]

While I really loved moments of this episodes from:

-Nagisa and Tomoya talking in their beds
-MC Akio who loves taking pictures
-Everything with the Family Restaurant

I have to give the Rating a 9 for this episode due to the bombshell at the end. Granted, it's cool and we know it's part of the series. But it feels like they jumped into it way too early. Especially since the Marrital Development between Nagisa and Tomoya was so likeable. Something THIS big should of had some time for momentum.

[Leo_Otaku]

While I really loved moments of this episodes from:

-Nagisa and Tomoya talking in their beds
-MC Akio who loves taking pictures
-Everything with the Family Restaurant

I have to give the Rating a 9 for this episode due to the bombshell at the end. Granted, it's cool and we know it's part of the series. But it feels like they jumped into it way too early. Especially since the Marrital Development between Nagisa and Tomoya was so likeable. Something THIS big should of had some time for momentum.

Not actually it is part of the story. They didn't plan on having the child this soon. As you could see from Tomoya's expression he was just as shocked.

[SwiftStrike]

hip hop disguised father lol
this was funny, although the baby part..that was quick.

[Dop]

When Akio got out his sunglasses I thought "This is it, he's finally turned into Kamina!"
Although his rap was truly crap. Yo, word!

Great episode.

[destiny4everlove]

I finally gave up on finding a site where I could watch ep 14 with subs from my favorite subbing group, so I decided to write my review based on episode 14 with subs from the other group:

Episode 14

-LOL!!! :D Tomoya and Akio’s reaction to their “new names", son and dad respectively, was hilarious!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-061.gif I guess this Clannad moment should have been even more hilarious for fans of Higurashi, and since I have not watched Higurashi I’m still a little confused about how the two series connect in this particular scene. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif I know it has something to do with the neck scratching...

-Tomoya being so nervous while Nagisa was taking her bath was so adorable!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif Tomoya being nervous is one of the reasons why I love Tomoya so much. :blush:

-So no kiss yet :upset:…I thought there would be a kiss during the first night Tomoya and Nagisa spent together as a married couple but there was no kiss whatsoever. There was only Tomoya and Nagisa holding hands, now that I think about it... holding hands has become the trademark of the Tomoya x Nagisa pairing. I liked how Nagisa was a little nervous and was blushing during that scene, it added a touch of realism to that scene.

-Loved the scene of Tomoya and Nagisa washing the dishes together.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Love/heart-121.gif Tomoya knows that the house chores are not only Nagisa’s responsibility. It's sad to say this, but not all guys follow Tomoya’s example. :(

-So Nagisa’s wish is a baby…

-MC Akio was epic!!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-061.gif Akio is so awesome!!! :cool: :D For some reason, he reminded me of Umibuzo from Lovely Complex (both in the manga/anime and in the movie). I imagined Akio singing this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTBfjT2F1qw :heehee:

-Nagisa in her waitress uniform looked so cute!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif

-Wow!! :eek: So Nagisa, "the waitress", is super popular!:blush: Too bad Nagisa, "the high school student", did not know about the super magical power of the waitress uniform!!!

-I loved the scene when Akio and Tomoya defended Nagisa from those two jerks.http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif I was expecting for Tomoya to steal the scene since he is Nagisa’s husband after all, but the one who stole the scene was Akio!!! :D (at least for me he did) Akio is Gar incarnated without a doubt!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-054.gif

-I loved how Tomoya was so supportive of Nagisa even after he found out about how popular Nagisa was in the restaurant. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif He did not become overly jealous or anything like that. He knew how important was her job for Nagisa and was willing to do anything to help her keep her job. Tomoya is so amazing!! :nod:

-Yay!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Music/music-072.gif For Nagisa’s dango apron!! :heehee: She sure likes dango, doesn’t she?

-Nagisa is such a good wife, she is so understanding. :)

-Tomoya doesn’t like change, does he? I think he is so happy with Nagisa right now that he would love for things to stay the way they are forever and never change. Unfortunately, life is not that way…

-Akio’s new job is ….Nagisa’s paparazzi!!! :heh:

-Lovely Nagisa, you didn’t need to explain to Akio, who is an adult and your dad, where babies come from!!!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-061.gif That scene was priceless; :heehee: I would never dare to say what Nagisa said in front of my parents, maybe my mom but no my dad! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi17.gif Just look at Akio’s reaction if you want to know why I would not do it. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/xD-075.GIF

[Solafighter]

http://www.sawamura.de/anime/pices/clannad-nagisasaidit.jpg

I was laughing so hard on this scene. :D

Good job, Nagisa! :cool:

[-Sho-]

Just watch ep 14 :

Really great !! Funny part ! The father is very funny , yeah ^^
Wow , she wanted a baby and in the end omg she got it !!!
Well , i think they are doing that when Nagisa said she wanted a baby :)
Very intense ^^ well , why they don't want to show us just a single kiss OMG !
Well , i hope it will be alright till the end ! Because , its too happy , and we can predict a bad ending .... but hope i'm wrong ^^

[zzeroparticle]

I was laughing so hard on this scene. :D

Good job, Nagisa! :cool:

I saw your post and couldn't help but modify it as to illustrate Akio's all-too-likely reaction when he heard the news:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/893/clannadjoke1vs4.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4439/clannadjoke2lh5.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5968/clannadjoke3xi5.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3683/clannadjoke4wa8.jpg

:D

[-Sho-]

Well , its normal to having sex with his wife , no ?
Sanae know it .
Akio should endure it XD

[Solafighter]

I saw your post and couldn't help but modify it as to illustrate Akio's all-too-likely reaction when he heard the news:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/893/clannadjoke1vs4.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4439/clannadjoke2lh5.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5968/clannadjoke3xi5.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3683/clannadjoke4wa8.jpg

:D

Hehe awsome. :)

His expression is priceless. :D

[destiny4everlove]

Yay!!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-023.gifI was finally able to watch episode 14 with subs from my favorite subbing group!!

-Tomoya and Akio’s reaction to their "new names" was still very funnyhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-061.gif, but I still don’t understand how is that scene linked to Higurashi. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-046.gif

-Loved the oath scene, it was so touching!!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif

-“I’m physically weak, but I don’t want to be a weak person”, that’s why I love you Nagisa.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif Nagisa knows that a person’s true strength is not in his/her muscles, she knows that a person’s true strength is in his/her heart and mind. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-021.gif

-“If we get a hold of a light, we can have a wish granted”…mmm…I wonder how can a person get a hold of said light? Now that I think about it…how did Shima get a hold of his light?http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-034.gif

-So the friend Tomoya was referring to when he was telling Nagisa she looked cute in the uniform was Akio!! :heh:

“Actually, if you were a man, she should be by now”... Oh my Gar Akio, I bet you regretted saying those words!! ;):heehee::blush:

-"We are having sex". I still can’t believe Nagisa said those words!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-040.gif :blush::heehee:

[JagdPanther]

I loved when Nagisa said that and Akio's expression, but for me the most priceless frame of that episode is also in that scene when Sanae says, "Nagisa is pregnant," and both Tomoya and Akio go, "Eh?" together.

Their expressions are perfect, if only for a split second together. I actually had to pause it on that frame and laugh.

GREAT episode.

[Cookie-chii]

I love Clannad ^^
It's a serie perfect ...
Tomoya-kun rules ^^

[Shizzon]

http://www.sawamura.de/anime/pices/clannad-nagisasaidit.jpg

I was laughing so hard on this scene. :D

Good job, Nagisa! :cool:

i thought that this was the best part of the episode since she said it so bluntly and without a second thought. i laughed so hard too

[Rice_slayer]

That pic is epic. Sanae makes the pic:heh:

[kitten320]

Just saw the episode and even though the final scene was good it still seemed akward... how the hack did Tomoya managed to get her pregnant when whole this time they were sleeping so far apart? There easily could sleep one more person between them if not whole couple...

That's just really akward and random...

[DeX-kun]

Just saw the episode and even though the final scene was good it still seemed akward... how the hack did Tomoya managed to get her pregnant when whole this time they were sleeping so far apart? There easily could sleep one more person between them if not whole couple...

That's just really akward and random...

Tomoya got her pregnant by having sex, I don't think that was hard to miss. Tomoya told Nagisa that he would give her anything and she responded by asking for a baby. We can easily assume that they had sex that night and she got pregnant. I don't think there was anything awkward about it.

[kitten320]

It's obviouse that they had sex, do I look that stupid?!
She even herself admited it x_x

But still whole this time theye were sleeping way too far apart even after pregnancy.

It is akwars since we never saw them to get really close, just some hand holding and slight hugging...

[DeX-kun]

It's obviouse that they had sex, do I look that stupid?!
She even herself admited it x_x

But still whole this time theye were sleeping way too far apart even after pregnancy.

It is akwars since we never saw them to get really close, just some hand holding and slight hugging...

lol, well you did ask how Tomoya managed to get her pregnant so I assumed that you must have missed something. Not everyone is affectionate. I still don't see what's so awkward about it to be honest.

[McMilk]

But still whole this time theye were sleeping way too far apart even after pregnancy.

It is akwars since we never saw them to get really close, just some hand holding and slight hugging...

Yeah I know what you mean. So throughout the whole Clannad series, I never really thought of them as an "actual couple". It's just that for me, they don't really have much chemistry together... sometimes I think that even Fuuko has better chem with Tomoya (just kidding :heh:). But yeah, like you said, we as the audience never really got to see them being "close", so I agree that they are really awkward together.

[Archon_Wing]

They were just waiting for the camera to go away. :heh:

But on a serious note, Clannad does fail a bit here. After watching Kanon, I can only theorize that they forgot how to animate kisses after.

[DeX-kun]

They were just waiting for the camera to go away. :heh:

But on a serious note, Clannad does fail a bit here. After watching Kanon, I can only theorize that they forgot how to animate kisses after.

Oh don't remind me, I was disappointed about that as well.

[kitten320]

McMilk
Yep that's what I was thinking. At some point you could even take them for brother and sister. You don't have to be affectionate or anything (I myself am too far apart from that side) but after getting married I'm sure they could share the same bed and atleast hug each other sometimes. If not the whole marriege and pregnancy you still would wonder at what stage of dating they really are... still friendly?

At least in Tomoya's flashback before her death we did see 2 close moments, so that already puts at ease :heh:

Lol I actually saw more chemistry between Tomoya and Kotomi :heh:
But sadly it didn't happen :)


Archon_Wing
Yeh... they really could add atleast 1 or 2 kisses just to show an actual relationship.
1 or 2 isn't much so it wouldn't turn Clannad into some opera romance...

Atleast Shima got a kiss on cheack from Misae :heh:

[Archon_Wing]

Oh don't remind me, I was disappointed about that as well.

But it's fine. It has enough credibility to me to use my imagination; that is not an excuse though.

[DeX-kun]

But it's fine. It has enough credibility to me to use my imagination; that is not an excuse though.

True. Besides, there were definitely plenty of things that did happen off-screen :heh: So let's just use our imagination there ;)

[kitten320]

There happened REALLY a lot behind the screen 0_0

Man... where are fanfics and arts when you need them?

[DeX-kun]

There happened REALLY a lot behind the screen 0_0

Man... where are fanfics and arts when you need them?

That's what I would like to know as well, I haven't really seen many doujinshi's that involve Clannad.

[McMilk]

There happened REALLY a lot behind the screen 0_0

Man... where are fanfics and arts when you need them?

Actually, seeing that you like Tomoya x Kotomi so much, there are several fics of them in the M section :heh:

Sadly, there aren't much Clannad doujin :(

[kitten320]

I did check them but somehow both of characters were too OOC for my liking :heh:

DeX-kun
It really is suprising! Clannad is so popular and yet it really lacks in fanwork, even less popular shows have much more.

And here is a lot of left out material and possibilities in order to write something or draw a doujin.

[Khu]

Fanworks are only if people wanna do a different pairing really.

[kitten320]

Not true, there is a lot of stuff with canon material as well.

And in clannad case I'm sure there has to be crack pairing lovers and also those whould like to see more detail on Nagisa's and Tomoya's life as well as their kid.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Wow, that was quite the bombshell dropped in this episode, was not expecting it so soon. DJ Akio was hilarious, sort of Proto-TK from Angel Beats, I guess. The glasses remind more of Adam Blade from Needless, not far off in personality either, really.