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Lst2touchdasky
2003-11-03, 21:00
Well the orignal one died, just thought i'd revive it
Rebochan
2003-11-04, 01:26
Well, I'll get it going then. I heard Tokyopop made some major edits to the storyline. What exactly are they, and are they actually as major? I own the first two volumes and was starting to finally get a better impression of them again and now this (well, this and Initial D, and the really sloppy Mew Mew translations).
Sesshoumaru
2003-11-04, 05:37
Well, I'll get it going then. I heard Tokyopop made some major edits to the storyline. What exactly are they, and are they actually as major? I own the first two volumes and was starting to finally get a better impression of them again and now this (well, this and Initial D, and the really sloppy Mew Mew translations).
I own three volumes and haven't seen any diffrence from the original yet. Changes are evil
I haven't read any fan translations for it but i own all the tokyopop volumes and even if they did make changes to it, its still great.
hobobaggins
2003-11-05, 14:15
Tokyopop rules all other translators (including viz) but yes, their translation of Initial D does suck balls. i am all for the support of the american manga industry... but after reading the first manga all the way though readking "tak" over and over... i want to find a scanlated version... or hell. a raw manga with a script translation.
I have read LH all the way through in both Scanlation and Tokyopop form multiple times each. As far as I can remember off the top of my head, there are 2 changes. Both have to do with the way the Japanese call each other by name.
Change #1: Chapter 106 (vol 13):
Naru and Keitaro are making out, and Motoko walks in on them (but doesn't disturb them). In the TP version, the conversation goes like this (directly quoting):
Naru: Huh? Why'd you stop?
Keitaro: Needed to come up for some air
N:Silly, use your nose. It's not rocket science.
K: Wait, hows my breath?
N: Just hush.
K: Alright then.
Scanlation:
K: Wait a second Narusegawa, I don't think this is a good idea...
N: What are you afraid of? No one will catch us here?
N:Why are you still calling me Narusegawa... if it's just the two of us..? Just call me Naru...
K: But... it would be wierd to call you that so soon...
N: Just this once, call me Naru?
K: Okay! Uh, Na... Naru
Change#2 Chapter Epilogue II:
On the VERY LAST PAGE right after the wedding and after Keitaro steps on Naru's dress, pulling the bottom part off her butt, Naru starts running after Keitaro to beat the living snot out of him (as usual).
TP:
K: I swear Naru! It was an accident!!
Someone (probably Su): Get a room will ya?! Nya ha ha ha!
N: That's it! I'm keeping my maiden name!
Scanlation:
K: You've mistaken me Narusegawa!
Someone (probably Mutsumi): My oh my! Nahahaha!
N: ...but my last name isn't Narusegawa anymore.
As you can see, since they had Keitaro call her Naru instead of Narusegawa from the very beginning, they had to change the jokes a bit to fit it better. It didn't really affect the story though, and these are the worst changes they do, meaning the rest of the story is intact.
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-06, 21:56
thats good. Ive bought most of the volumes and planning to buy all but one this saturday. (damn borders i have to order it!!)
They shouldve kept it tho, even tho its not a major change. I think Keitaro calls her Narusegawa in the beginning (dont remember) but the americans wouldnt really understand it about the first name joke. Even on anime threads i find myself or others having to explain the name thing.
thats good. Ive bought most of the volumes and planning to buy all but one this saturday. (damn borders i have to order it!!)
They shouldve kept it tho, even tho its not a major change. I think Keitaro calls her Narusegawa in the beginning (dont remember) but the americans wouldnt really understand it about the first name joke. Even on anime threads i find myself or others having to explain the name thing.
Nope. He calls her Naru from the very beginning. Although, I think there is ONE instance where he calls her Narusegawa (can't find it right now though).
ADV Manga does a good job with the name thing though. I recently bought the Full Metal Panic manga, and they seem to go by the Japanese rules more often than the English ones.
ElvenPath
2003-11-08, 19:00
The manga does differ from the anime.
At the end of the manga Keitaro and Naru get married, this doesn't happen at the end of the anime.
7thMethuselah
2003-11-09, 13:17
The manga does differ from the anime.
At the end of the manga Keitaro and Naru get married, this doesn't happen at the end of the anime.
Yes but the reason for that isn't because they changed the story but it is because Love Hina Again ends in volume 11 of the manga and not volume 14.
And you will notice that the ending of volume 11 in the manga is more or less the same as the one in Love Hina again
ElvenPath
2003-11-09, 18:35
Sorry 'haven't watched Love Hina Again yet :o
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-10, 01:13
actually the Love Hina Again goes up to vol. 12 and ends... OVA is better than anime in everything from quality to ending.
actually the Love Hina Again goes up to vol. 12 and ends... OVA is better than anime in everything from quality to ending.
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
The LHA OVA was pretty bad. The fact that it gave a sort of closure to the anime was pretty much the only redeeming quality.
The manga is 10 times better than the anime/specials/OVA. But since I read it before I knew there was an anime, I may be biased.
7thMethuselah
2003-11-10, 14:46
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
The LHA OVA was pretty bad. The fact that it gave a sort of closure to the anime was pretty much the only redeeming quality.
The manga is 10 times better than the anime/specials/OVA. But since I read it before I knew there was an anime, I may be biased.
No the manga IS alot better then the anime. At least in the manga the spring break makes any sense at all, and they don't need some ghost story to finish love hina again.
LH Again was a dissapointment for me, but then again maybe i expected too much of it since i still consider Love Hina the best anime i've ever seen.
About the changes in the manga, I have both the french translation as the english translation and there isn't much difference between them, dunno if newest edition by tokyopop is different though
ElvenPath
2003-11-10, 16:51
A manga is always far better than its anime version :dots:
Loki_Ragnarok
2003-11-10, 18:31
the love hina manga rulez!
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-10, 22:34
i watched the OVA before i read the manga probably why i liked it more than you did. hahahaha. if i watch it now, id hate it for sure.
BTW: in vol. 7 there is a part where there is white space next to keitaro ovbiously for dialogue, however there is nothing in it. Is this because the tokyopop messed up or was it something they did on purpose? (2wice)
A manga is always far better than its anime version :dots: Agreed, except when the manga is adapted from the anime instead... :D
Actually the Love Hina manga would have been alot more fun and shorter if less crap is mixed into it. They are supposedly there for comic relief but I sometimes find them redundent and not funny at all.
Other than that, I like the series... :)
IMSabbel
2003-11-11, 05:56
yeah.
And although the mangaka stated that naru is cute because she beats up keitaro, i would have prefered if she would have at least STARTED stopping it around volume 5.
Its so strange: beating up keitharo---Why doesnt he confess? -- beating him up again... -- does he like me? --- beating him again.....
If the gender roles were reversed, it could be a social drama :)
Hmm..I think the anime and manga are both good until about Volume 11 where the manga is far superior. Kanako being my 2nd favorite LH character is much better in the manga than she is in the anime. I especially like the 'love chart' she creates and the Keitaro doll she makes for the other girls to punch before they can enter the restroom.
quimbley
2003-11-11, 11:41
Hmm..I think the anime and manga are both good until about Volume 11 where the manga is far superior.
Whoa, so you're saying that the manga and anime are both good up until the point where the anime ends? Crazy ideas, man. You're a revolutionary.
i watched the OVA before i read the manga probably why i liked it more than you did. hahahaha. if i watch it now, id hate it for sure.
BTW: in vol. 7 there is a part where there is white space next to keitaro ovbiously for dialogue, however there is nothing in it. Is this because the tokyopop messed up or was it something they did on purpose? (2wice)
Gimmie a page to look at and I'll find it for ya.
Actually, TP is pretty bad at editing in some cases. In vol 1, Naru tells Keitaro to "don't gives up." And in vol 3, there is an empty bubble and the text is moved to the first one in the next pannel. 10 is the worst for mistakes, where they even mess up the left-to-right format at one point. I'm half tempted to write TP an email pointing out some of these mistakes.
On an entirely different note: How many "Easter Eggs" have people found in the manga? An Easter Egg is a hidden joke that you have to look hard for (kinda like extra features on a DVD that is hidden in the menu) I've fond a few myself:
Vol 3, page 37: Naru crashes into the anime display while running rom Keitaro. In the pannel in the bottom right corner, you can make out Squall and Rinoa from Final Fantasy VIII in th eackground!
There are also instances where K & N really sitng each other with a comment, and they get stabbed by a sword. In vol 5 Naru gets stabbed by a lightsaber, and somewhere else (can't remember where), Keitaro gets stabbed by Cloud's Buster Sword from FFVII.
I'm sure there are more. Happy hunting!
Gimmie a page to look at and I'll find it for ya.
Looks like Vol. 7, page 115 at the bottom. There is no translated text in the bottom far right pannel.
Well, according to my scanlation, the text goes as follows:
Narusegawa... I don't get anything from you this year?
I suppose she was busy with her studies...
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-13, 21:15
Gimmie a page to look at and I'll find it for ya.
Actually, TP is pretty bad at editing in some cases. In vol 1, Naru tells Keitaro to "don't gives up." And in vol 3, there is an empty bubble and the text is moved to the first one in the next pannel. 10 is the worst for mistakes, where they even mess up the left-to-right format at one point. I'm half tempted to write TP an email pointing out some of these mistakes.
On an entirely different note: How many "Easter Eggs" have people found in the manga? An Easter Egg is a hidden joke that you have to look hard for (kinda like extra features on a DVD that is hidden in the menu) I've fond a few myself:
Vol 3, page 37: Naru crashes into the anime display while running rom Keitaro. In the pannel in the bottom right corner, you can make out Squall and Rinoa from Final Fantasy VIII in th eackground!
There are also instances where K & N really sitng each other with a comment, and they get stabbed by a sword. In vol 5 Naru gets stabbed by a lightsaber, and somewhere else (can't remember where), Keitaro gets stabbed by Cloud's Buster Sword from FFVII.
I'm sure there are more. Happy hunting!
TP is really good. The ones i have are all pretty good. ive only noticed 2 empty bubbles and everything else is perfect
IF anyone is willing, can u list the problems?
I am currently re-reading LH (for like the 5th time). I think I'll keep a list of all the mistakes I find this time.
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-14, 03:29
I am currently re-reading LH (for like the 5th time). I think I'll keep a list of all the mistakes I find this time.
thanks. im re-reading it too. But since i got it recently, some of the problems MAY have been fixed. (dont know)
as for the easter eggs i got one
in vol.1 when u get to see Keitaro's photo collection u see one of the pictures on it has a Pikachu frame. Does this count as the "easter eggs"
I think people are being much too picky with Tokyopop. From what I've read they are extremely good. I'm sure the scanlation has many many more translation errors than the TP version does. Just becouse TP is different from the scanlation doesnt mean they are wrong.
Plus the fact that they put out 1 volume a month (more or less). Thats faster than every scanlation group operates.
I am more than happy with my Tokyopop manga.
Viz on the other hand... :o
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-14, 20:52
I think people are being much too picky with Tokyopop. From what I've read they are extremely good. I'm sure the scanlation has many many more translation errors than the TP version does. Just becouse TP is different from the scanlation doesnt mean they are wrong.
Plus the fact that they put out 1 volume a month (more or less). Thats faster than every scanlation group operates.
I am more than happy with my Tokyopop manga.
Viz on the other hand... :o
hey i LOVE tokyopop, they're the best. but they had EMPTY bubbles. thats all im looking for. and they accidently put words in wrong boxes, we can tell because it doesnt make sense.
Indeed. Tokyopop and ADV are the best companies for manga (and they're both the new compnies... Hmmm....). But the editors at TP need to get new glasses or something when they go over the final copies before sending them off to the printers so they don't make such obvious mistakes.
BTW, found another empty bubble. This one in Vol 6, page 150. text from scanlation is as follows:
M: Morning Naru-san!
K:What are you hiding back there?
N: Nothing! There's nothing back there!
They left out Mutsumi's line, and moved the other two lines into the previous bubbles.
And the reason I compare it to the scanlation (which may indeed be faulty as well), is because it's the closest thing I have to the actuall original release. And since I can't read kanji, this is the best I can do.
Oh, and when I got this scanlation, it was all together in a zip file through a P2P program on my university's LAN line. I didn't even know what a manga was when I DLed it.
*aznplayboi*
2003-11-16, 14:28
Even the girls in the manga are WAY hotter
tsuki_desu
2003-11-18, 21:43
It's a good story but it gets annoying.
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-18, 23:18
It's a good story but it gets annoying.
how so?? Its #1 USA release of the yr 2003! they got an award and everything
haha, but seriously everything has positives and negatives.
alexfan90
2003-11-29, 21:32
What do you guys think of the bilingual love hina series by Kodansha. How do you like the translations compared to TokyoPop? Thanks in advance!!!
What do you guys think of the bilingual love hina series by Kodansha. How do you like the translations compared to TokyoPop? Thanks in advance!!!
I find them much better to read. The translation may be a bit more literal at times, plus I have the Japanese on the side if I need to verify things. I also like the packaging on the Bilingual much better than the Tokyopop versions.
alexfan90
2003-11-30, 22:23
I find them much better to read. The translation may be a bit more literal at times, plus I have the Japanese on the side if I need to verify things. I also like the packaging on the Bilingual much better than the Tokyopop versions.
well since i cant read japanese, do you think it will be dificult to understand the story just on the english translations?
Not difficult, IMHO, no, but if these are the books that I think they are, the publisher stopped publishing them after book 8(?) when TokyoPop got the license. They're the thin books with the Japanese covers, yes?
Or am I sadly mistaken? :)
alexfan90
2003-12-01, 01:28
Not difficult, IMHO, no, but if these are the books that I think they are, the publisher stopped publishing them after book 8(?) when TokyoPop got the license. They're the thin books with the Japanese covers, yes?
Or am I sadly mistaken? :)
Ya its those. They're published by Kodansha i think.
alexfan90
2003-12-06, 04:12
bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
first time posting, but a goodfriend of mine is reading love hina and she says its good but it looks kinda stupid to me. but i wouldn't mind readin it to get into wut she likes but i was wonderin if ne1 could give me some info about it. thnx in advance.
I can post a site with manga scans
only if you wanna get banned
it's a good series that's ACTUALLY more aimed at guys than girls, you'd probably like it
7thMethuselah
2004-05-06, 17:11
Welcome to the forums,
Love Hina is a great manga (the greatest in my opinion but opinions may differ :) ), the story goes as follows.
As a kid Keitaro made a promise with a girl to go to Tokyo University together since there is a legend that says if two people find each other at TU they'll be happy forever. The only problem is he can't remember who that girl was. 15 years later Keitaro failed the entrance exam for the 2nd time and starts losing hope to ever get in there. His parents threaten to kick him out of the house (as they no longer wanna support him). He decides to visit his grandma who has an Inn and ask if he can stay there.
This is the point where the manga starts: (slight spoilers for the first part of the manga, nothing serious)
As Keitaro reaches Hinata Inn he discovers 2 things, first off all it's no longer an Inn but a Girls Dormatory, and apparently his grandma (who is way on a trip around the world) wants him to be the manager :) . You can imagine what kinda situations this leads to, the girls living there aren't particularly happy with this off course. However he manages to get in on a trial basis.
What follows is a very chaotic, hilarious manga about Keitaro, the promise mentioned above, and the 5 girls living at Hinata Inn. The greatest thing about these manga are the completely different characters of these 5 girls. You got Naru which is a girl trying to get into TU as well and is rather violent :heh: , there's the extremely shy 12y old Shinobu, a prankster and party animal (most of the time she's drunk or setting up some schemes for Keitaro) Kitsune, Hyperactive, turtle mecha loving Suu and last but not least Motoko (see sig) a kendo specialist.
in short love Hina is Comedy - Romance - Chaos (no other way to describe what happens at times :heh: ) - Ecchi (yes lotsa bath scenes).
Be sure to try it out, it is very good (waaaay better than the anime)
SoulDrinker
2004-05-06, 20:28
there is something you should kno the manga is kinda different from anime and the ending isnt horriable
also of note is that the Love Hina characters REALLY grow throughout the series, emotionally and physically: (minor spoiler, doesn't really tell about the actual story buuuut:)
Motoko grows in ways that if i told you it'd spoil the story, Keitaro basically becomes a completely different person, Shinobu grows the most visibly (she lets her hair grow out, by the end it's as long as Naru's...well actually several things begin to resemble Naru...)
There's a lot of unique and interesting characters as well (paving the way for Akamatsu's "Negima" that sports almost 40 different and unique characters)
Marine-RX179
2004-05-07, 05:03
Anyone heard about those 'Character CDs with the Contract Cards' for Negima? Most people I came across said it one big fat conspiracy of trying to suck the money out of the fans' wallets lol.
Personally, I didn't care for this series. I even gave it the benefit of the doubt and read the entire series. It was too slapstick for me to enjoy. I got irritated with the constant beatings and misunderstandings which lead to beatings. I know that was supposed to be comedy, but I thought it was obnoxious.
If you enjoy reading slapstick comedy, and frequent fan service I am sure you will enjoy it.
7thMethuselah
2004-05-07, 13:41
also of note is that the Love Hina characters REALLY grow throughout the series, emotionally and physically
Yes , this is one of the strong aspects about the Love Hina manga. Especially Motoko :love: gets some serious character development (Ken Akamatsu actually said he'd rather write an entire manga devoted to her but that that wouldn't work out :heh: ). The same goes for all other characters. For some reason however we don't get alot of side stories which revolve around Kitsune, the only minor point about LH... :nono: . Apart from the main characters the side characters are actually very interesting as well, I mean you can't possible dislike Mitsumi :) she's awesome...
PS Yes yes by manga 14 little shinobu becomes quite a babe :naughty:
yeah, the only things we learn about kitsune is that she went to the same high school as Naru...and likes booze...and is from Kansai
Mr_Paper
2004-05-07, 15:41
Also, that she had a crush on Seta first but didn't confess so that Naru could.
Yogo_Pogo
2004-05-12, 13:27
I bought the volume 1 and regert it. Yes i like comedy, but hate, REALLY HATE fan service in manga (in anime i tolerate a little more). But i think he could have done the manga without all this fan service. But i think i can't critisize for the entire serie since i only read the first one.
7thMethuselah
2004-05-12, 16:37
Well, the story greatly improves in the following volumes but the fanservice stays, so if you really hate it then maybe you'd better not buy a second volume. But if you like the characters by now (I mean the girls not Keitaro) it's worth a 2nd chance since they are awesome and keep getting into great situations, but the fanservice stays throughout the manga
I bought the volume 1 and regert it. Yes i like comedy, but hate, REALLY HATE fan service in manga (in anime i tolerate a little more). But i think he could have done the manga without all this fan service. But i think i can't critisize for the entire serie since i only read the first one.
He never would have sold such a crappy story without the fanservice. In fact, volumes 1 through 9 could have been handled in volumes 1 and 2 if you removed all the fanservice and worthless "plot twists". If you can afford to wade through the crap, then the last few volumes have decent pacing, though.
wow i diddnt realize this post was still going, last time i saw the replys there was only 2. well i went down to a manga room and read LH and i actually though it was pretty good, i even managed to finish it. thnx for the help tho guys.
I bought the volume 1 and regert it. Yes i like comedy, but hate, REALLY HATE fan service in manga (in anime i tolerate a little more). But i think he could have done the manga without all this fan service. But i think i can't critisize for the entire serie since i only read the first one.
an akamatsu manga without fanservice is like a Takahashi manga without excessively stubborn main characters (remember, Akamatsu was/is a hentai doujin)
the fanservice of Love Hina is tame compared to the Get Backers (2 page picture of Hevn in tattered clothes bound up screaming her lungs out anyone? oh and when i mean tattered...well...you gotta know...Hevn doesn't wear much to begin with...) or most other shounen manga (ESPECIALLY mahoromatic...for crips sake she's buck NAKED for 5 pages in the first chapter alone!)
manga doesn't have the same limits that anime (televised) does, so excessive manga fanservice and excessive anime fanservice are different...
Kamui4356
2004-05-13, 03:01
Apart from the main characters the side characters are actually very interesting as well, I mean you can't possible dislike Mitsumi :) she's awesome...
Mutsumi a side character??? She might not be in the manga as much as other characters, but her role in the plot makes her at least as important as Motoko. That should warrant main character status. May you recieve some watermelon related curse for implying Mutsumi is a mere side character. :)
Yeah, but the team behind Mahoromatic never intended it to become an anime like that. They're a hentai team for crying out loud... hell I... *cough* have there entire collected works in my person manga library *cough*... :heh:
7thMethuselah
2004-05-13, 06:34
Mutsumi a side character??? She might not be in the manga as much as other characters, but her role in the plot makes her at least as important as Motoko. That should warrant main character status. May you recieve some watermelon related curse for implying Mutsumi is a mere side character. :)
Lol, you're right actually, she does have quite an important role, but as main characters I meant the 5 girls which are always around, contrary to Mutsumi who pops up every once in a while to get the main plot going (and to seduce poor little Keitaro with her ... "watermelons" :heh: ) But yes she is an important character
Ero-Senpai
2004-06-25, 16:34
I've just finished reading the love hina manga.. and i must say. OMG. :love:
That has got to be the most emotional moving story i have ever read. Most books ya read don't follow a person/persons so much that you see how they grow, as much as this one does. I mean i really got into the story to the point as to where i couldn;t wait to turn the page and see what happens, and thats rare for me.
i've read A.I. love you and to me it was ok, but when i got started reading LH i couldn;t stop.
I just hope Negima gives me as much as fullfillment as this, probably not as emotional but its hijinks will keep me entertained.
all i can say is :bow: Ken Akamatsu :bow:
Love Hina was the first manga I ever read. I can't quite remember how I stumbled upon it, but I found the scanslations somewhere and started downloading. I was hooked from the first chapter. :D I found so much I could relate to: at the time I was a 19 or 20, no girlfriend, and....well I was in college but I was having a hard time. :heh: I loved how the characters were developed, and I only got more addicted as I continued reading. After I finished it, I read it again. And then I think I read it again after that semester. Then one summer day I was browsing in a bookstore and saw the first volume of Love Hina on the shelf and I was like :twitch: :D :D :D I bought it without hesitation. :) Then I read Love Hina again (read the volume 1 book first, then the rest on my PC). Then I learned of a bi-lingual version and I though "Hey, that could help me with my Japanese studies!" :thinker: So I bought all 8 volumes of the bi-lingual version (which unfortunately only cover up to about the first 6.5 of the actual volumes). Then I read Love Hina again. And again once summer ended and the semester started. My brother got into it too and he started buying the rest of the localized volumes. All together I think I've read it front to back 6-7 times now, I've lost count :heh:
7thMethuselah
2004-06-25, 17:12
Yes storywise Love Hina manga is great, and the main charcters are all awesome. I especially liked the fact that all the girls are completely different. Also loved Shinobu's crush on Keitaro, always so funny when that comes into play :)
Shaddyboy
2004-06-26, 07:57
well ive read the manga so i decieded to see the anime...but boy was i dissapointed, the anime wasnt bad or so..but they could have follwed the manga then it would have been much better. The endig of the anime sucked..totally different from the manga.
But overall the anime was good, manga was much better..
evil|plushie
2004-06-26, 10:55
I've just finished reading the love hina manga.. and i must say. OMG. :love:
That has got to be the most emotional moving story i have ever read.
Most....emotional....moving....story.............. ...................
Please go read Maison Ikkoku.
Most....emotional....moving....story.............. ...................
Please go read Maison Ikkoku.
Maiison ikkoku is TOO emotional and moving for some people (not me though)
KristopherZ
2004-06-26, 13:37
I've just finished reading the love hina manga.. and i must say. OMG. :love:
That has got to be the most emotional moving story i have ever read. Most books ya read don't follow a person/persons so much that you see how they grow, as much as this one does. I mean i really got into the story to the point as to where i couldn;t wait to turn the page and see what happens, and thats rare for me.
i've read A.I. love you and to me it was ok, but when i got started reading LH i couldn;t stop.
I just hope Negima gives me as much as fullfillment as this, probably not as emotional but its hijinks will keep me entertained.
all i can say is :bow: Ken Akamatsu :bow:
I am a huge fan of Love Hina, and I am telling you that you are reading it for the wrong thigns (emotional, moving, and story). If you are reading stories for that I point you to series that do a better job of doing it like Naruto, One Piece, or Rurouni Kenshin. Love Hina is great because of the COMEDY. The series is funny as hell and it has some fanservice to satify the pervs out there.
Most....emotional....moving....story.............. ...................
Please go read Maison Ikkoku.
Please don't. Baby steps.
I've just finished reading the love hina manga..
Welcome to the club! It's a really fascinating story, and what I admire most about it is how Akamatsu managed to string out five different love stories at the same time... In any case, there are a lot of people I'm sure that may have given up on the story because it is so long; and yet, I'm very glad that the story was so long... It kind of gave me something to hold onto for two and a half years while Tokyopop was releasing it.
And yet, while some girls' love may not be as prominant as the next, each and every relationship with Keitaro was integral to keeping all of Hinata Sou together.
I think I remember Akamatsu at the end of the series mentioning that even though Kitsune had a small role in terms of how much she actuall conversed with Keitaro and Naru, she was still integral to the whole story. Which reminds me of the one time where Kitsune shows that she is falling for Keitaro... It's at some point where Naru and Kei are arguing and mad over one another (I think), and Kitsune volunteers to comfort little miss Narusegawa. By the slip of a tongue she notes something like "maybe all of this time I was just letting you have Keitaro," to which Naru simply states, "what?" "Oh, nothing, nothing, nothing..." And so on. I loved Kitsune's character one of the most because of her chronic knack for gambling and for her ability to keep a story together while still being out of the limelight. And any author and/or artist that can craft a story in which one character (or more) can do that and do it well, gains much of my appreiciation.
I would have to say that my favorite scene in the manga of Love Hina, where Ken Akamatsu's story structure really took me by surprise was when Keitaro was scheduling to go off to the United States for a semester with Seta. After the initial flight is delayed Kei and Naru are [still] arguing over whether or not the trip is good for their relationship and the conversation gets a little heated. Naru almost openly confesses her love for Keitaro; "Why? Why don't you want me to go?" "Because I lo-" and she cuts herself off...
Ahhhh, it's been a few long months since I've read a single panel of the comic, but I remember it well.
Ero-Senpai
2004-06-28, 19:37
well I guess i am just a hopeless romantic then Kris cause i just loved the story :)
I've seen reviews of maison ikkoku and it seems interesting and since its from the author of ranma and inuyasha i'm sure i'll love it. not saying her name since i can;t spell it right ;)
as far as naruto and one peice i have watched the anime and loved them and plan on getting the manga one day. the only reason i got love hina manga was because i had alrdy watched the anime, altho i felt a little jilted it was still a good show for me.
currently i am reading/watching the following:
Love hina manga/anime
galaxy angel manga
ai yori aoshi manga/ anime
ai yori aoshi enishi anime
onegai teacher manga/ anime
shaman king manag/ anime
A.I. love you manga
Tsubasa manga
One piece anime
naruto anime
full metal alchemist anime
hikaru no go anime
i would do alot more manga but what with just buying a house and a baby on the way money is tight
:sad:
oh well i guess i can just keep reading them over again
Love Hina is one of the greatest Manga ever created... period...
What is interesting to know is that Akamatsu originally intended Love Hina to be just filler for Shonen magazine. But suddenly (around volume 4, or so) it got a LOT better and the result was a story that was beautiful as was captivating.
I love the changes the characters go through, especially Motoko and Shinobu. And, by the way, have you noticed that the first thing Shinobu does once she matures (in volume 14, before we see her in adult form) is to send Keitaro airborn, by hitting him?
Some characters, like Mutsumi, Kaolla, and Kitsune were static but they played a great part in the story, and there were hints that there was much more to them than meets the eye. Kaolla despite her happy-so-lucky attitude is essentially a very lonely person, and Kitsune despite her attitude is a really caring person. In fact one of the static characters, Mutsumi, is my favourite because she is sweet, innocent, naive and very beautiful.
Why Keitaro doesn't choose her is beyond me.... I loved the story where she regresses to being a five year old and almost ends up marrying Keitaro. And the way she lost Keitaro to Naru by playing Janken...
For me, even Kanako is an interesting and important character.
She is important because she is the one that actually causes Keitaro and Naru's relationship to progress (I believe she is just misunderstood).
Even one of the most villified aspects of the Manga (just check out any Love Hina Fanfic section), the Naru/Keitaro relationship worked well for me.
I liked how they develop from being strangers hostile that are hostile to each other to being friends and then lovers.
Naru's character is interesting because she is one of those people that get in the way of their own happiness.
She knows that she loves Keitaro and that she would be happy with him, but she is so much worried about what her friends will think, and so afraid of the future that it takes an INCREDIBLE amount of persuasion by Kanako and the rest of the Hinata Sou gang to make her admit her true feelings. Heck, even AFTER she admits her true feelings, she almosts breaks up with Keitaro for the silliest of reasons.
She is incredibly worried about her image.
Notice how she looks left and right to see if anybody's there before kissing Keitaro on the cheek... Not to forget the diarrhea incident in pararakelse.
Despite that she is a likeable character. She cares about Keitaro a lot and is actually sweet, despite her mood swings and violent behaviour. There are points in the Manga where she offers support to him and helps him out.
Not to mention the point in the story where she actually admits that she is selfish and wonders why Keitaro fell in love with her. And, by the way, the start of volume 11 is not the first time she almost admits she loves Keitaro. In volume 10, just after Mutsumi is cured of her amnesia, and right before she gets on the boat back to Hinata, she actually says "I am completely and utterly in lov..." before the wind shows us (and Keitaro) a flash of her panties and causes her to go into a violent outburst, completely ruining the moment
Most of her flaws stem from the fact that she is a good but insecure person. She is insecure about her sexuality
(she punches Keitaro whenever he sees her naked and yet she freaks out whenever he ignores her)
she is insecure about boys, she is insecure about her future, she is insecure about herself she is even insecure about her friends. It is through her relationship with Keitaro that she gets over those insecurities and actually finds some kind of balance in her life.Like most of the characters in the manga Naru develops as well and ends up being quite a mature person (well... almost).
The anime was not bad, but it lacked the character development the Manga had. The other girl's crushes on Keitaro were downplayed, and in the end of the anime, they were essentially where they had started. The anime also misses one of the most important points of the manga, Keitaro wondering where he is headed in life, and what he is supposed to do (just before he decides to go study in the states. However, I did like the fact that Kitsune's character was more developed in the anime than in the manga. And of course, I am thankfull because the anime introduced me to the manga.
Whew! Sorry about the verbal diarrhea... But the Love Hina manga is one of my favourite topics... Right after GTO...
Nice breakdown of Naru Narusegawa's involvement throughout Love Hina... Now, if only we had the time and energy to do that for all of the characters, including Autn Haruko. :p
Nice breakdown of Naru Narusegawa's involvement throughout Love Hina... Now, if only we had the time and energy to do that for all of the characters, including Autn Haruko. :p
Haruka...hmmmm
Hands Keitaro a buncha papers, and marries Seta in vol. 13.
Oh, she also hits Seta and Keitaro about as hard as naru
not the deepest character in the story -_-, basically an older naru
Nice breakdown of Naru Narusegawa's involvement throughout Love Hina... Now, if only we had the time and energy to do that for all of the characters, including Autn Haruko. :p
Actually I am working on a Love Hina Webpage with very accurate descriptions and analyses of ALL the characters...
I am currently on Motoko...
love hina was my first favorite manga lol. i downloaded it and read it in 2 days. i like it so much that i bought all the books and have read the series 14 times and some of the books more than that lol. its been awhile since i've read it though so maybe i'll re-read it again soon. ^.^
love hina was my first favorite manga lol. i downloaded it and read it in 2 days. i like it so much that i bought all the books and have read the series 14 times and some of the books more than that lol. its been awhile since i've read it though so maybe i'll re-read it again soon. ^.^
Love Hina is a comic that is fun to re-read over and over again, because everyonce in a while you'll stumble upon an experience or conversation that will change your perspective of a character (or rather, how you understand that character to think). Sometimes you stumble upon errors in translation (like thought bubbles with no text...) as well...
Love Hina is a comic that is fun to re-read over and over again, because everyonce in a while you'll stumble upon an experience or conversation that will change your perspective of a character (or rather, how you understand that character to think). Sometimes you stumble upon errors in translation (like thought bubbles with no text...) as well...
...and you need to read it in order, never making that mistake again
i recently reread the series in order (i had been missing vol. 8 and 9 for a long time) and discovered certain things about the characters (like Su) that i didn't realize before
Love Hina emotional? Well, in some ways, yeah, I guess you can say there's emotional stuff in there. However, what detracts from it being seriously emotional like what you see in some shoujo manga is... well, Love Hina wasn't suppose to be serious in the first place.
It's a romantic comedy, with I suppose with lots of potential to be more mature and dark with all the tangly relationships that were there.
I don't know if I would go so far as to say that Love Hina was potentially dark, I will note that it did have the ability to go from dead serious in one panel to slapstick comedy in another, without really losing the reader's interest. The way the story is written, is so that the reader can apparently understand either plot device to be an honest interpretation of how the characters move and think within the world that is Love Hina.
Misha~su
2004-12-15, 04:52
This is a question about the relationship between Seta and Haruka.
In around volume 12 is it of the manga there is the little story dedicated to Seta and Haruka.
About the promise Seta made with Haruka and Sarah's mother would he have genuinely chosen Haruka or was it because Sarah's mother passed away that he asked Haruka?
He also says that "there's only four hours left" and Haruka replies by telling him not to push it. Does that mean four hours until the time for the promise is over? :confused:
Aoie_Emesai
2004-12-15, 10:12
I hope you're/ya not abusing the manga scans. If you really like it buy it, on ebay or something, support your authors.
The major plot differences ya say really dont make much differences in the storyline. Its very very minimal to the storyline. Kei calling Naru "Narusegawa" is quite insignificant ne? But its rather cool to have a little different story ne?
SetaNoriyasu
2004-12-16, 11:54
I hope you're/ya not abusing the manga scans. If you really like it buy it, on ebay or something, support your authors.
The major plot differences ya say really dont make much differences in the storyline. Its very very minimal to the storyline. Kei calling Naru "Narusegawa" is quite insignificant ne? But its rather cool to have a little different story ne?
Actually there is quite a bit of significance, according to my understanding of the japanese social structure *which might be flawed so, I could be stand corrected*, unless you are really close friends, or intimate, only then does a person call another by his or her given name, otherwise, they would refer to him or her by their maiden name.
There are some unusual cases where you address a person according to your social status, or age. Eg.
According to age
Keitaro is older than Motoko, there for he address' her by her given name
Motoko is Younger than Keitaro, There for she adress' him by his maiden name, Urashima
According to superiority
Naru is younger than Keitaro yet address' him by his given name, showing a certain degree of seniority or superiority
Keitaro address Naru, by her maiden name Narusegawa, symbolizing the amount of uh... superiority.
Spoiler regarding issue 14 of the manga
At the very last page of issue 14 in the tokyopop edition
Keitaro: I Swear Naru it was an accident
Naru: That's it I'm keeping my maiden name
compared to the original way it was written by Akamatsu Kensuke
Keitaro: Narusegawa, forgive me!
Unknown person *most prolly kitsune*: Her name isn't Narusegawa any more
the way Akamatsu-sensei wrote it, is much more touching as it symbolizes the union of Naru and Keitaro, the fact that, the unedited version holds much more meaning than that in the tokyopop rendition
Another few things that I really didn't like was the amount of American Pop-culture and video-game references that there were in the Tokyopop rendition of Love Hina
Example
I forgot in which issue but there was reference to Crazy Taxi, "Let's make some crazy money"
Sailor Enlil
2004-12-17, 01:32
Glad to see a discussion of Love Hina here. It's one of my top favorite Manga and Anime (I watched the anime first, in both languages - yeah the dub mostly sucks, before buying almost the entire manga set, I'm just missing Vol 11).
I'm not a all bothered by the changes resulting from Tokyopop's translation, other than use of some vulgarity especially in Vol 9, eg Shinobu calling Nyamo and Naru a Floozy, Naru calling Keitaro a dumbass, and this one by Haruka:
Haruka blurts out "HOLY SHIT!" after discovering a picture of herself cuddling with Seta. In a scanlation she simply said "WAAA...!"
Marino Nikku
2005-01-03, 22:00
Hey All...
I've just started reading Love Hina, despite the best efforts of my friends. :bash:
Anyways, I've noticed some problems (I think)... First of all, I went to two different stores and found that the same volume of LH (vol. 2) has 2 different ratings... one is rated T, the other OT... I only have one copy of that vol, though, so I can't compare the two. (And no, I'm not gonna buy another... at $10 ea., I can barely afford one of each.) So, what's the difference... and does it change the story at all? Also, is there anywere I can obtain copies of LH in japanese? I've been taking a japanese course and they reccomend reading manga to build dialouge skills... Of course, what would be best is japanese w/ english overlays so I can check myself, but... well, tokyopop is pretty good at taking down scanlations.
But, beside that, it's an awesome series... and the translation is much better than stuff that Viz and Funi have put out...
~Nikku
haha, Love Hina, I just noticed this thread and it was the same time I had come across some old colourings I did when it was being scansalated. I wanted to colour it all! :p Hope its not againts the rules to post this kind of thing....
Couple of walls I made....
[img=http://img21.exs.cx/img21/3489/AlisaNaruWallpaper.th.jpg] (http://img21.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img21&image=AlisaNaruWallpaper.jpg) [img=http://img21.exs.cx/img21/4968/NaruJourneyCG.th.jpg] (http://img21.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img21&image=NaruJourneyCG.jpg)
Naru in a dress type thing
[img=http://img21.exs.cx/img21/762/NaruDress.th.jpg] (http://img21.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img21&image=NaruDress.jpg)
A bit of Naru fanservice :p
[img=http://img21.exs.cx/img21/4118/hotspringnaru.th.jpg] (http://img21.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img21&image=hotspringnaru.jpg)
And a large spoiler for the manga, if you havent read it all please dont look!
[img=http://img21.exs.cx/img21/1337/ILoveYou1.th.jpg] (http://img21.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img21&image=ILoveYou1.jpg)
And yes I know the Thumbnails are screwed up, lol. The links still work.
Earnibble
2005-01-05, 14:05
Love Hina was the first anime I ever got into. I have all the DVDs except Vol. 1 and the spring and winter specials. I have a couple of the manga too.
Naru gets on my nerves a bit, always punching Keitaro in the face! He's so innocent. Kitsune is my favorite character in the manga and anime. She's hilarious. Especially with that accent.
my favorite is shinobu...so smart and cute :P i have all the specials HAHA! lol....then i have love hina again and dvd number 3.
I think Love Hina is an amazing comedy Manga, apparantely it was voted best manga 2003 and i defo know why.
Any other ppl here like it or like ne of Ken Akamatsu's work such as AI Love you? I liked AI Love you as well.
megasonic01
2006-01-22, 13:31
Love Hina is definetly a really good manga series. Could use a bit of originality though.
The manga series is pretty good --- its almost prehistoric now but it should be read by anyone interested in manga as kind of a classic. My complaints center around the buffet-style mess of the climaxes (e.g. I like Kaolla Su but her gadgetry really distracts and Keitaro's sister really diverted the storyline). Frankly, the resolution seems forced -- in the real world I think Keitaro would have ended up with someone else ... even the girl he chooses makes a remark as to who that would have been late in the story.
Massive spoiler for those who haven't read ...
Motoko and Keitaro have the most character growth in the series .. and understand each other, spend time together ... yet he goes with Naru for no reason other than his Captain Ahab fixation on The Promise Girl ... wtf?
Ken A. seems to have a talent for setting story premises, defining wonderful characters (LH, Negima) but has a bit of trouble with his execution. He appears to pick the girl right up front and then forces the story to that conclusion WHETHER OR NOT it makes sense for the characters as they develop. Anyone who writes will tell you that sometimes the characters have their own ideas about where things should go and the author should "listen" to them.
Resolution seems forced? I didn't see this as a harem at all. Keitaro had his mind set on Naru and it was really only an issue of how they would end up together not 'if' they would end up together. Motoko's 'development' came pretty late anyway, she never had a chance.
I haven't read any fan translations for it but i own all the tokyopop volumes and even if they did make changes to it, its still great.
I agree, i loved the whole tokyopop series and i also loved the anime, tho not many ppl favoured it. I thought altogether it was great
I finally got around to reading this... why does everyone love it so much? From looking around forums and such this has to be one of the most popular manga around.
I read 9 volumes or so (first 8 and then skimmed through to the last volume). I didn't laugh once; didn't even crack a smile. It wasn't funny... and if you take away the funny from a comedy you get tedium.
Another problem with it is the inconsistent characters. Keitaro, an idiot, will all of the sudden act composed and normal for seemingly no reason, then go back to being an idiot whenever it's convenient (not to mention his feelings for Naru seem to fluctuate randomly between "loving" her and liking her just because she's there). There's also Naru's inconsistency of all of the sudden becoming "girly" for no apparent reason. (not to mention the fact that she's probably the easiest girl in the world to get if Keitaro would just stop being an idiot for 3 seconds)
These annoyances coupled with the ridiculously dragged out "promised girl" identity issue makes for a really bad manga imho.
Sorry, just felt a need to rant a bit...
Firestorm10
2006-02-03, 00:06
I liked it because they do the most idiotic things.
Really? I normally don't laugh at anything (I find almost all comedy exceptionally overrated), but I thought it was one of the funniest things I'd ever read. As a matter of fact, it started a spurt of me checking out a lot of other comedy manga stuff to see if I thought it was all funny. However, I don't know that it's a master of consistency in characterization or anything.
I think, like drama, comedy is hard to pigeonhole. It depends a lot on personality and life experiences. There are a lot of things that I realize are funny; however, they never cause me to smile or laugh. My son thinks Azumanga Daioh is the funniest thing ever, but it only rarely makes me smile (the only moment I can really think of is when Chiyo is afraid to get back in Nyamo's car). I know it's funny, but it doesn't cause any real humor reaction in me. Similarly my wife thinks Fruit Basket is hysterical, but the only part that I found to be that way was when Tohru grabbed the bun instead of Yuki and squished the bean paste out.
So I guess I'd have to say that like most subjective things, it's just a matter of taste. :)
So I guess I'd have to say that like most subjective things, it's just a matter of taste. :)
Yeah, I realize that. The humor in Hina seemed to soley consist of Keitaro unintentionally doing something perverted and then getting beat to a pulp. Something I just don't see as funny.
I actually thought Azumanga was hilarious (My Favorite Moment is when Chiyo-chan makes a first year call her sempai on the stairs). As for manga, the funniest I've read has to be Yotsubato! (which also happens to be by the creator of Azumanga - very similar humor)
Seems that Azumanga and Love Hina are on the opposite ends of the humor spectrum. :rolleyes:
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To be honest, the reason why I probably don't like Love Hina so much is that it does have some good moments and I really did want to like it (which the only reason I stuck with it for 8 volumes). My favorite aspect of any anime/manga is the romance and the mangaka repeatedly screwed it over time and again.
You also have to look at when it was written. Love Hina is almost prehistoric by the lifespan of some fans ... I was a fan of Motoko and her growth as a character - and Shinobu had her moments (as well as Haruka) but the "main story" was just annoying much of the time. But it happened to be the first manga I'd ever read that wasn't full of loud shouting, fighting, and pocket monsters (holy shit.. they do *romance* in these things?).
This is speculation on my part but I think the harem manga (and anime) derives directly from an old Jerry Lewis movie put out in 1961 where he's the ... get this ... caretaker of a women's boarding house. He's Jerry Lewis, of course (keitaro resemblence anyone?) and the women all have wide variance in personalities including the mysterious spider woman whose room is some kind of dimensional box....
If you can find it, its worth a watch for the historical value (I think its called The Ladies' Man). Bet its hard to guess which girl he ends up with ... ... ...
Love Hina is a "classic" in that it pulled together many of the motifs common to the genre today ... but Moby Dick, A Tale of Two Cities, and the Faerie Queen are classics, too ya know? :)
I'm a hardcore Motoko Aoyama fan but I recognize the shortcomings of the manga .... the same voice actress (Asakawa Yuu) also voiced my favorite character in Azumanga Daioh (Sakaki). The manga is stellar from front to back in AD.... I rate it almost as highly as I rate Calvin and Hobbes (which I compare it to often). I've had other people recommend Yotsubato! and I'm on the lookout for that.
Yeah, I realize that. The humor in Hina seemed to soley consist of Keitaro unintentionally doing something perverted and then getting beat to a pulp. Something I just don't see as funny.
Well, no, there's other humor involved as well, but you're right, that does define a good portion of it. :) I think the humorous part of it is not so much what happens as how it gets there. Kind of like the third room in the movie Four Rooms, the final shot isn't the funny part, it's all of the little steps that lead up to that final shot ... each one makes sense (sort of) as it's happening, but at the end you still end up with a bellboy holding a dead hooker getting stabbed with a used drug needle in the leg by two kids while pr0n is playing on the tv in the background.
I actually thought Azumanga was hilarious (My Favorite Moment is when Chiyo-chan makes a first year call her sempai on the stairs). As for manga, the funniest I've read has to be Yotsubato! (which also happens to be by the creator of Azumanga - very similar humor)
I've been meaning to check out Yotsubato! except that ADV has such a spotty record at actually finishing manga series they've licensed. Like I said, I see how Azumanga is funny (I'm not retarded), but it never made me laugh out loud or anything. If I had to categorize it, I'd say it's cute more than funny. Personally I think the funniest anime I've seen would be either Happy Lesson, Pani Poni Dash, or Fumoffu. Genshiken or Love Hina would probably be the funniest of the mangas (I just realized while looking at my collection that apparently I do comedy manga even less than I thought).
Seems that Azumanga and Love Hina are on the opposite ends of the humor spectrum. :rolleyes:
Not really, my wife thinks both are very funny. Like I said, not all people are the same. I'm sure most people who find Love Hina funny probably also find Azumanga funny, but in a world of billions, some people are going to like one and not the other. And that's okay, 'cause if we were all alike, there wouldn't be anything to talk about on the internet! :heh:
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To be honest, the reason why I probably don't like Love Hina so much is that it does have some good moments and I really did want to like it (which the only reason I stuck with it for 8 volumes). But my favorite aspect of any anime/manga is the romance and the mangaka repeatedly screwed it over time and again.
Now that I totally agree with. The only remotely romantic aspect of the entire series (for me) is at the very end (but before the wedding) and when Naru finally admits she loves Keitaro. So basically two to three chapters out of 140+. I think there might be as many "awwww" moments in Full Metal Panic Overload as in Love Hina ... :)
EDIT: I should also clarify that I DO find Azumanga Daioh funny (and Fruits Basket as well), it's just that neither has ever made me laugh out loud. Love Hina has done that.
Love Hina is a "classic" in that it pulled together many of the motifs common to the genre today ... but Moby Dick, A Tale of Two Cities, and the Faerie Queen are classics, too ya know? :)
I guess that makes me the loser, I like both Moby Dick and a Tale of Two Cities. :uhoh:
I'm a hardcore Motoko Aoyama fan but I recognize the shortcomings of the manga .... the same voice actress (Asakawa Yuu) also voiced my favorite character in Azumanga Daioh (Sakaki). The manga is stellar from front to back in AD.... I rate it almost as highly as I rate Calvin and Hobbes (which I compare it to often). I've had other people recommend Yotsubato! and I'm on the lookout for that.
I've heard that the AD manga is superior to the anime, and a lot of people I trust have told me that Yotsubato! is superior to both. So I'm thinking about going straight to that, and if it makes me laugh then trying AD the manga. The Calvin and Hobbes comparison is interesting, as that's another thing where intellectually I know it's funny, but its never made me laugh out loud or anything.
I've been meaning to check out Yotsubato! except that ADV has such a spotty record at actually finishing manga series they've licensed. Like I said, I see how Azumanga is funny (I'm not retarded), but it never made me laugh out loud or anything. If I had to categorize it, I'd say it's cute more than funny. Personally I think the funniest anime I've seen would be either Happy Lesson, Pani Poni Dash, or Fumoffu. Genshiken or Love Hina would probably be the funniest of the mangas (I just realized while looking at my collection that apparently I do comedy manga even less than I thought).
Ehh, we do have some different tastes. I thought happy lesson was kinda interesting, but not very funny (I didn't stop watching, at least), and it never went where I wanted it to go until the very end of the last OVA. The few episodes I saw of Pani Poni Dash were incredibly not funny (except for all the students other than the main chars having the same face... that made me chuckle for a moment). Fumoffu's humor was kinda funny when it was found in the original FMP, but stale already when fumoffu came out.
The most hilarious anime I've seen is Jungle wa Itsumo Hare nochi Guu. More specifically, episode 4. The funniest episode of all time.
I actually don't laugh all that often even when I do think something is funny. Which is a good thing, because the 3 or 4 times I really, really laughed this past year it felt like someone had stabbed me in the chest and I couldn't breath. I wonder if something is wrong with me, cuz it really hurt. :p
Seems that Azumanga and Love Hina are on the opposite ends of the humor spectrum.
Not really, my wife thinks both are very funny. Like I said, not all people are the same. I'm sure most people who find Love Hina funny probably also find Azumanga funny, but in a world of billions, some people are going to like one and not the other. And that's okay, 'cause if we were all alike, there wouldn't be anything to talk about on the internet!
Yes, yes... but everything would be simpler if they all realized I was right.
Potatochobit
2006-02-03, 03:17
like vexx said, love hina has more of a cult status.
u have to understand back when it was first out it set a standard, so to speak, on harem type animes where the male is abused.
this was way before chobits, maburaho, etc etc.
although none of the jokes make you burst out laughing, its more of a little smile that comes to your face. the story does make progression and somewhat has a goal.
but your right, i also think it only deserves a B+ rating.
ZhangKhaiEn
2006-02-03, 23:53
I see LH as a good spring board for Akamatsu Ken.
From LH to Negima
1. His artwork has improved
2. His sense of humor has improved
3. His action scenes have improved
4. His wallet-fattening techniques have GREATLY improved >_>
Aye, LH->Negima is great Truth I guess :) (especially item 4)
And.. there's many different kinds of "funny" - I'm one of those odd people that like the Marx Brothers, the Three Stooges, Douglas Adams, Monty Python, Futurama, etc... all very different forms of humor.
AD reminds me of Calvin & Hobbes because it is often a humorous exploration of philosophy and reality --- how people perceive and interact with the world around them. None of the characters are disrespected regardless of their character flaws.
This isn't gutwrenching haha ... but it brings a long enduring smile (though I have to admit I burst out laughing when Chiyo does her first "class rep" introduction speech). I have both the AD manga and anime ... they're both very well done -- the only other property I can think of where I like the anime and the manga equally well is Mahoraba: Heartful Days.
Sorry, roo... was just pointing out that "classics" should be rated within the context of the time in which they were written. I happen to love Moby Dick :)
I love Jules Verne and HG Wells also but most moderns find them nearly unreadable.
The only thing that sustains Love Hina for me anymore are the arcs with Motoko and watching her develop as a character (which she actually does throughout the books if one pays attention). Keitaro's conversion is way too sudden (though not really unrealistic... I've known a lot of people who go off on an adventure and come back very changed). Most of the other characters hardly change at all (except Shinobu perhaps and Haruka resolves some issues :) ).
I borrowed this manga from one of friends a year or two ago. Yup, it was a good series. I couldn't put it down and even got scolded by a teacher for reading it in class. XD
If there's one thing Tokyopop is good at, it's writing vulgar and hilarious speech. I love when a company shows that they enjoy their work and goes out of their way to make you laugh. Same thing with dubbing companies.
Like with the scorpion scene....(ROFL)
Keitaro squishes a scorpion which makes Naru happy but then he goofs up of course and she sends him flying.
In Tokyopop's version, she screams, " Scorpion, my ass!"
In the original one she screams, "What are you doing!?"
I prefer the latter...^_^
I borrowed this manga from one of friends a year or two ago. Yup, it was a good series. I couldn't put it down and even got scolded by a teacher for reading it in class. XD
If there's one thing Tokyopop is good at, it's writing vulgar and hilarious speech. I love when a company shows that they enjoy their work and goes out of their way to make you laugh. Same thing with dubbing companies.
Like with the scorpion scene....(ROFL)
Keitaro squishes a scorpion which makes Naru happy but then he goofs up of course and she sends him flying.
In Tokyopop's version, she screams, " Scorpion, my ass!"
In the original one she screams, "What are you doing!?"
I prefer the latter...^_^
I don't mind more freewheeling translations like that IF the original spirit of the dialog is retained ... that is, no twist to the original intent.
Yeah.. "scorpion, my ass" sounds much more Naru-ish than the boring literal translation.
boris no no
2006-06-24, 07:34
So just finished reading the first manga book (after watching the anime first) and I must say I was laughing so much xD Very funny, rude and silly!
Boobs everywhere and misunderstanding from the newly appointed male manager of a all girls dorm...you know whats gonna happen xDDD
Anyone else read the manga? and what do you think of it? :D
It is one of the "classics" of harem-style comedy - somewhat reminds me of an old Jerry Lewis comedy where he's the male bellhop/houseboy in an all female boarding house. The series is pretty messy, derails into confusion at various points and you'd like to kick some of the characters at times. But it has some memorable sequences and a few characters who are just unforgettable.
Watch Motoko the sword girl... she gets a substantial amount of character development over the series and remains one of my favorite characters of any anime or manga.
boris no no
2006-06-26, 15:18
oh whee xD ta for putting my random thread in where it belongs *waves at mods* ^^
Love Hina awesome!
deaconfry
2006-11-04, 21:46
ive always liked love hina scence the first manga came out it is a realy funny manga to because of naru and kaolla
It was my first manga ever =P
At the beggining I hated it because the title... hum... confused me? xD I had a very wrong idea of it because of the title xD
But... I started to read it a boring afternoon and I really loved it!! It's kinda funny and the characters are great ^^
I was wondering how does the manga compare to the anime. I haven't started reading the manga yet but i have seen the anime. I know that some anim don't completly follow the manga. So how is the anime different from the manga?
MeganeShounen
2006-11-05, 08:39
I was wondering how does the manga compare to the anime. I haven't started reading the manga yet but i have seen the anime. I know that some anim don't completly follow the manga. So how is the anime different from the manga?
Simple. It doesn't follow it 100%.
About 60-70% perhaps. It's rare to find perfectly animated manga with the right plot.
The TV series follows up to...... the part where Keitaro gets confused on who's the "girl of promise"; Naru or Mutsumi. The Winter Wish OVA happens near the end of the TV series while the Spring Break OVA continues where the TV series gets off...... then comes Love Hina Again, where Keitaro FINALLY passes the Toudai Exams, and her sister Kanako steps in.
I was wondering how does the manga compare to the anime. I haven't started reading the manga yet but i have seen the anime. I know that some anim don't completly follow the manga. So how is the anime different from the manga?
Well, Love Hina is one of those anime's that kind of deviates a lot from the manga. Although the general plotline is followed, the anime skips a lot of the details and stories from the manga. In general the manga will be a beefed up version of the anime plotlines. Just as an example, the Spring Special in the anime cut out about half of the original plot (in my opinion, the best part). If you liked the anime I reccomend the manga because then you get the complete story. (there was some original stuff in the anime though).
Besides that, the anime cuts out the end. The farthest the anime got to was Love Hina Again (in a butchered and shortened form), which is manga volume 12. However, there are 14 volumes in Love Hina manga, which means two entire chapters were not animated. So that's the ending to Love Hina which wasn't in the anime.
So is it worth it to see the manga? Yes.
MugenIchiban
2007-01-30, 03:09
Does the manga have the Christmas special they had in the anime?
Actually no. That's one of the original pieces for the anime only. It does have Christmas chapters, but none that really describe what happens in the Christmas Special.
Love Hina was one of my first manga's and it is still one of my favorites but I must admit i liked Mutsumi way more than Naru.
Hey! ME TOO!
Usually everyone on this forum prefers Motoko. :)
Kitsune and Mutsumi for me, much more fun. :)
FatPianoBoy
2007-01-30, 20:51
Correct order is:
Kanako
Motoko
Shinobu
Haruka
Kaolla
Sara
Kitsune
Mutsumi
Naru
;)
Of course, 'your mileage may vary' and all that.
Uhh, hey, I like Kanako and Haruka too! (accentuate similarities, downplay differences, check!) ;)
heh, for myself it was Motoko, Haruka, Shinobu, Kanako ... period. :)
Sometimes I'll reread a book or two.... the lame parts get lamer and the better parts get better, ymmv.
FatPianoBoy
2007-01-31, 00:51
Wow, two other people that don't completely loathe Kanako. And I thought I was the only one :heh:
I wonder if her low reputation may be due to the 50cc's of total fail they doped her up on for Love Hina Again :(
I always figured it was her actions in the manga (I don't even think about the mess the anime made of her).... she was pretty focused and apparently vindicative to characters we'd all grown attached to. I wasn't really fond of her "mask" trick either. But I liked her core personality and goth-edge.
I'm always surprised when *anyone* mentions Haruka in a fave list.... (having seen Nobue in Ichigo Masimaru.... I suspect she grew up to become Haruka ... heh j/k).
(since we have new readers of the manga, I'm trying not to spill spoilage)
I dunno i always liked Haruka as well but I am old enough to think that most of the girls are underage :P as for Kanako I just can't get over the comon theme in Japan of brother/sister love. I have seen it in a few manga sometimes it is cousins but it happens pretty often and you also see it a lot in bishujo games, example Kana little sister. As for the good parts getting better and the bad ones getting worse, i would add that the wierd parts get wierder. As for a second favorite I like Shinobu, that sort of pure character who always admires the hero no matter how retarded he is appeals to me. Probably why I also like Mutsumi.
Wow, two other people that don't completely loathe Kanako. And I thought I was the only one :heh:
I wonder if her low reputation may be due to the 50cc's of total fail they doped her up on for Love Hina Again :(I think it's the sister thing. Normally I can't stand the sister either, but there's something about Kanako's all-out attitude that appeals to me. I thought she brought an interesting dynamic to the series in the sense that she was willing to do just about anything to get Keitaro, whereas a lot of the other characters were very wishy-washy about it. Nominally the boat-rocker is my favorite character in any harem. Lisa in Girls Bravo is another example, the girl who wants the boy no matter what - this is probably why Magikano appeals to me so much. :)
EDIT: You know, after thinking about this all day, you may be onto something as far as anime fans go. My wife has never read Love Hina, but has seen the anime and she can't stand Kanako. While I was trying to explain it to her, I realized they cut out a lot of the redeeming Kanako scenes from Love Hina Again because of the shortness of the series.
I am more attracted to characters like Aoi in Ai Yori Aoshi or Izumi in I's, nobuko from video gril AI, Cindy from A.I.Love you and especially Honoka and Yui from Suzuka. Girls who are loyal to the main character no matter what, maybe it is silly but even when I know the result i usually spend the whole series wondering why the main guy can't figure out what is really good for him. My only real surprises was ichigo 100% and it was a bad surprise since I thought he was gonna end up with the nice girl.
Been a while since I've read Konoka's section... isn't she actually a sister of the "no blood ties" type? (step, adopted, ?)
I flipped through the "back to the island-race to the temple" section towards the end today... one of the less enjoyable parts for me... (with all the zeppelins, turtles, and whatnot) ... but a section where Keitaro addresses each of the girls in some way.
Kanako is adopted if i remember correctly and I still ask so what, If i have grown up thinking of someone as my sister the fact that we weren't blood related wouldn't make it any better to want a relationship. The Japanese culture especially the sex culture shows an entirely different moral standards than any other culture I have been in contact with.
Kanako is adopted i i remember correctly and I still ask so what, If i have grown up thinking of someone as my sister the fact that we weren't blood related wouldn't make it any better to want a relationship. The Japanese culture especially the sex culture shows an entirely different moral standards than any other culture I have been in contact with.
Don't confuse fantasy for reality... such things happen very rarely in the real Japan but mostly because the situation just isn't that common. Plus these sorts of fantasies ignore the studied phenomenon where young humans raised together just tend to not find each other sexually desirable - its a natural bit of brain wiring that won out in natural selection processes.
Generally, the japanese are less hung up about sex or nudity than Americans... but then the Canadians are Europerans are less hung up as well --- or more precisely, their attitudes are more situational driven: in an onsen? well of course you're not going to have clothes on. Naked in the street? You'll probably be arrested for annoying people. Europeans (in different countries) have some hilarious standards about what is and is not okay (topless, nude, what time of year, etc).
However ... if you're in the US (or most other countries) the rules vary dramatically on what is and is not acceptable. ... marrying step-siblings or adopted siblings is perfectly legal in many states. Marrying first cousins is legal in almost 3/4 of all states and most of the world (Europe, Asia). And an oft-repeated bit of confusion I see in these forums: despite what some think, age-of-consent for sexual conduct varies dramatically from state to state, prefecture to prefecture and country to country ranging from age 14 and up in Western and Asian locations.
Many people make the mistake of thinking the rules in their neighborhood are universal and naturally correct ... and they are fundamentally wrong :)
Side note: Shinobu is 14 in Love Hina.... which was age-of-consent legal in Japan until recently when a national age of consent law was passed and then universally ignored by the prefectures. It was mostly passed to pacify some moralists and usually only enforced selectively *if* someone complains.
I wasn't judging the culture so much as remarking on the difference. admitedly I think my sister is an evil hag and the thought of marrying her is akin to being a sword dummy for Motoko so that may affect my view on that particular subject
<rofl> see, thats the "gene directive" avoidance effect :)
As for me, I know just enough swordplay to volunteer to be Motoko's dojo buddy :)
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-01, 00:22
Kanako is adopted if i remember correctly and I still ask so what, If i have grown up thinking of someone as my sister the fact that we weren't blood related wouldn't make it any better to want a relationship.
He didn't grow up with her, they just spent some time together when they were little. He barely remembers her name when she first pops up.
I liked Kanako best, followed by Mutsumi, mostly cuz Kanako is cute and Mutsumi raised Tama :)
Pinupaong
2007-02-11, 12:41
I wish that there are girls like narusegawa exist in the world.
Klashikari
2007-02-11, 12:49
I wish that there are girls like narusegawa exist in the world.
err... you must be masochist :heh:
joke aside, if we ignore the ridiculous strength she got, i dunno if it would be that great, considering how indecisive, stubborn, [add any non frank denomination :uhoh:] she is. (i'm not a naru hater, in fact, she is one of my top LH girls, but she is sadly one of the most annoying character plot wise)
at least, should she exist, we would need some airhead like keitaro to support her. ~~
hu well, my top 5 is:
-Motoko
-Kanako
-Shinobu
-Naru
-Mutsumi
I have hard time with Kaolla though... (i hardly laugh with jokes/pranks concerning/coming from her... however her "adult" form is quite interesting)
the_Source
2007-02-12, 07:00
I have to agree with Klashikari (again ignoring her strength) the idea that if things got difficult or emotionally problematic she would run away doesn't really endear her to me. (Probably because I can't run that fast and would never be able to catch her) I'm not a Naru hater either but there are limits.
well, my top 5 is:
-Motoko
-Kanako
-Shinobu
-Naru
-Mutsumi
I would have to disagree with the girls in the top 5.
Mutsumi
Kanako
Shinobu
The island girl (Shinobu's twin)
Suu (Older of course)
Why didn't Naru make it? Because even to volume 14, she is still suspicious and beats Keitaro for being a clumsy fool. This poor guy can't even LOOK at a girl now or Naru will kill him for it. This would clearly be a case of Domestic Violence.
Motoko - Well honestly she is almost as bad as Naru, and with her sword skills Domestic Violence would be upgrade to Manslaughter. (BTW Privately I wanted Motoko to win).
Why is Mutsumi at the top? Well lets see, she is 99% compatible to Keitaro, she also knew him when they were growing up, and she made a promise to him (though he didn't to her). Now that neat episode in the Xmas special where she almost raped him, well Darn that should've worked, and in the Drama CD, where she tried to marry him, well DARN that should've worked too.
Klashikari
2007-02-13, 03:21
wel.. you don'"t really need arguments here, this is just an opinion based on my preferences ^^"
just like i said in the previous post, naru is indeed terribly annoying in volume 12 and 14.
however, while she is clearly irational for a lot of things concerning the utter clumsy airhead ronin, she has really strong points : her intimate conversations with keitaro during the first and second exam periods, the whole volume 7, volume 8, volume 10 (although she was really undecisive with the answer), volume 11 and finally some moments in 12-13 and 14.
but again, there are moments that i wished like "just punch her, tie her and force a kiss to her, godamnit ! -_- "
as for motoko, i was thinking the same thing in the very very beginning of the story at the very first time i read LH, but she was just able to pull a lot of readers attention with her huge character development. (Volume 4 and 9 were simply gold.)
bleh anyway, i guess we disagree here just because our difference in POV, tastes and arguments :)
Bah.... (takes Motoko and runs away with her) mine mine mine!!!
The first character of anime that I thought, "wow, I'd court that in a heartbeat"
Of course shinto maiden outfit always makes u want the girl XD lol
For me the best character would be Kanoko, Su(older), Mutsumi, and Shinobu ^___^
Akamatsu Always has to put a girl who's japanese and has pale white skin who's a shrine maiden into the story. heh lol
Actually it wasn't the outfit so much as I just am rather fond of that type of personality: strong-willed, a bit wild, smart, and physically fit... doesn't take crap from people but internally a little unsure.
In Negima, Ken sort of split his bet by creating Setsuna and Mana ... they're both in my "first circle of favorites" in that series (also Kaede and oddly Yue).
Motoko isn't very strong willed, she often runs away or puts on a front and she just wants to be tough. The word I would use to describe her is insecure. (i can dig out my lh volumes and show chapters to support this if need be)
Mutsumi is far and away the best of the girls, she isn't at all ambiguous about what she really wants. She is unfailingly kind, smarter than she first appears to be, and generous to a fault.
Okay... I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you over "who's best" because that's basically idiotic. That's why there's a variety of girls, so that people can have their favorites. Mutsumi is your favorite, thats fine. I happen to prefer Motoko --- so everyone is happy.
If you're going to diss other characters to justify your choice, thats a bit insecure, eh?
Here I'll quote myself: "strong-willed ... but internally a little unsure." ... so I believe I've covered that assertion. All of the girls have flaws - it is part of what makes them interesting and allows for character evolution. In Motoko's case, she grows out of that insecurity during the course of the series.
MaroonKnight
2007-02-13, 15:43
Hey, i'm new... and a little bit lost about whats going on... but, my friend has volumes 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12,14 of it... i read some of them, and i like it too...
Sorry you felt I was "dissing" Motoko, I just felt I was disagreeing with your perspective. I would never pourposely flame someone and I am sorry if it offended you.
In retrospect, I was too grumpy (I'll blame pre-lunch sugar dive) so I apologize as well -- main point is we both appear to enjoy the series so !yay! for us :)
Apropos of nothing, but thisActually it wasn't the outfit so much as I just am rather fond of that type of personality: strong-willed, a bit wild, smart, and physically fit... doesn't take crap from people but internally a little unsure. is corporate doublespeak for "stubborn and insecure". I don't think he felt like you were dissing Motoko as much as he felt like you were simply saying what he was already saying (though you were couching it in negative words and he was using positive ones).
Personally I doubt the "character growth" of Motoko interests her fans as much as her stubborn-ness welded to her vulnerable side. Together it's a powerful appeal. Sorrow-K once wrote a great example of why it's so appealing (though it was an example of why a character wasn't appealing at the time), but I didn't email myself a link to remind me of it. It's similar to the attraction that tsunderes have, though not exactly the same.
There's no quantifiable way to come up with "who's best". I think within reason everyone understands you meant "_I_ like best". Though that is one of those interesting turns of phrase where it transforms the meaning of your sentence from neutral to negative (obviously unintentional on your part).
Personally I like Mutsumi, Kitsune and Kanako because I like people who are out-front and honest about who they are. I also like people who enjoy enjoying themselves (unlike 90% of characters in most mangas, who seem to enjoy being in angst all the time). I also like Naru and Motoko (the tough-on-the-outside-but-soft-and-squishy-on-the-inside appeal).
EDIT: The one I've never been very fond of (just realized I didn't point it out) is Shinobu. Which is weird because I'm okay with her clear spiritual succesor in Negima (Nodoka). I've just never found her very appealing. I think this is because she has all the aspects of the unlucky osanajimi that I don't like, without carrying the one aspect that I do like (the actual osanajimi part).
Aye... I'm of the same accord regarding the Shinobu/Nodoka strain.... Nodoka is more appealing, I *guess* because she grows a spine earlier???? Shinobu was pretty much unlucky and a nervous wreck til almost the very end...
I like your "tough-on-the-outside-but-soft-and-squishy-on-the-inside" characterization of Motoko <insert chuckle here> though I really am not sure why Naru annoys me and Motoko doesn't ... probably some subtle difference in how they handled their issues or maybe just the timing in which they handled them.
(and yes.. what rooboy said about "stubborn and insecure" ... I was just being more flowery)
Aye... I'm of the same accord regarding the Shinobu/Nodoka strain.... Nodoka is more appealing, I *guess* because she grows a spine earlier???? Shinobu was pretty much unlucky and a nervous wreck til almost the very end...I think it's because Nodoka is more normally shy than Shinobu (who was almost paralyzingly shy). I actually like Nodoka more because they don't show her off as a perfect cook, cleaner, takes-care-of-everyone type. Though Nodoka annoys me somewhat too, it's significantly less than Shinobu.I like your "tough-on-the-outside-but-soft-and-squishy-on-the-inside" characterization of Motoko <insert chuckle here> though I really am not sure why Naru annoys me and Motoko doesn't ... probably some subtle difference in how they handled their issues or maybe just the timing in which they handled them.To hazard a guess it's probably screentime. Motoko spends far less time on screen, so there's less to get irritated at. It's easier to like minor characters because their flaws are usually not explored in any great detail. Personally I've always slightly preferred Naru because Naru's growth feels more normal to me, it's slow and gradual. I feel like Motoko's comes in illogical jumps and spurts. To me that seems more like "change" (i.e. without much of a reason) than "growth" (which happens for a reason). But then I've always known my sense of pacing was different than most people's. I actually like stories that take a long time to get where they're going.
Motoko's growth spurt doesn't happen any earlier than the other characters, nor is it any more significant (well, at least when compared to the two to three girls who actually undergo character growth, we're obviously discounting the ones like Suu, Mutsumi and Kitsune who remain essentially unchanged). What happens with Motoko is different than what happens with Naru though because Naru is always on screen. Motoko though is only around for a short period of time (relatively). Even though Motoko has (essentially) the exact same character as Naru, it's less annoying because the gag is used less. Also it seems like her growth is more dynamic because it's squished up into fewer chapters. To me, that seems unnatural and forced, but only because it's compared to (what I consider) Naru's more natural and slower progression. On the other hand, Naru's progression takes significantly longer, so her gag wears on the reader more and it takes forever for her story to go anywhere. It's an interesting dichotomy of techniques considering it's the same manga for both arcs, but ultimately as most questions like this, it's a matter of taste as to which technique you prefer.
actually Shinobu and Nodoka both appeal to my wife maybe they are more sympathetic to female readers.
actually Shinobu and Nodoka both appeal to my wife maybe they are more sympathetic to female readers.I doubt it, my wife can't stand Shinobu (I don't think she has an opinion on Nodoka either way) :) . I think it probably has more to do with personal tastes.
@rooboy: by "onscreen" I'll assume you meant page budget in the manga series.... hmmmm, I've not been loco enough to actually compare page counts (somewhere on the Net I'm sure someone has :) ) but intuitively it does seem Motoko "made more with fewer pages" so her annoying features may grate less.... Naru used her gag so much it seemed liked the trigger was "Keitaro appears - hit him" at times.
Motoko also had her bane in the form of her older sister that pushed Motoko passed her own obstacles ... so that made her story more interesting to me as well (though at times older sister didn't seem to make much sense outside of plot device). And at the lowest level, long black hair is usually a "win" for me somewhere back in the reptiliian back of the brain.
Hmmmm, wife input --- my wife hasn't read the manga.. only watched the series... she got very tired of the slapstick and the Kaolla Su toy pranks (stand by... ) she says she thought Shinobu was too domestic (retro japanese model as seen by a 3rd gen Japanese-American :) ) ... Naru she didn't mind other than her usual complaint about how anime characters don't look japanese ---- which is one reason she like Motoko (looked japanese) and Kitsune (smiles japanese - vanishing eyes) and Mutsumi (ditzy but capable).
There, now you have the "wife report" from rooboy, Mykas, and Vexx on Love Hina
heh...
Motoko also had her bane in the form of her older sister that pushed Motoko passed her own obstacles ... so that made her story more interesting to me as well (though at times older sister didn't seem to make much sense outside of plot device). Hrm, that's another good point that I hadn't considered. Whereas Naru's externality to do well is motivated by the promise (either the one to Keitaro or the one to Seta depending on the stage of the story), Motoko's is motivated by a desire to equal and/or surpass her sister. While it doesn't really change the character (the motivation is still the same, to become better), it is a different circumstance that spins her story in a different way.
I actually think I might like Motoko's sister better than both Motoko and Naru. She's got a little of that crazy-ness that Chizuru picks up in Negima. Plus I think her bird is very attractive.
While I've never done an exact page count either (besides which, not all page appearances are equal - Motoko is frequently simply drawn into the background), it takes little thought to realize that most of the story budget is spent on Naru and Keitaro (I would say it has to be at least half of the story). The rest of the story is split between the rest of the characters (Motoko and Mutsumi get a little more, Sara, Seta and Haruka a little less). Either way, there's a significant difference between the amount of time Naru spends on panel, and the amount of time Motoko does. My point is more that Motoko does exactly the same "Naru punch" routine, she's just not around as often to use it.
I should have clarified that my wife has never read the manga either, only seen the anime.
EDIT: I should also clarify that my wife doesn't like Shinobu because she views her as whiny. She's not too fond of the yamato nadeshiko archetype either, but I don't even think her brain processes far enough to see that part. On the other hand, she seemed to like Suu (and I don't think I've ever heard her complain about slapstick unless it's out of place).
the_Source
2007-02-14, 05:27
@rooboy: Naru used her gag so much it seemed liked the trigger was "Keitaro appears - hit him" at times.
I'd say it's more "Keitaro appears - one of the girls looses her clothes (or shows off their underware etc.) - hit him" though that's not much better and really gets on my nerves after a while.
phantom_ryder
2007-02-14, 06:43
heya, just a question, would you guys recommend that the dvds be watched in release order or is it ok to watch the 'christmas special' and 'spring special' first before watching the series?
Areguzanda
2007-02-14, 06:47
Scream!!!!
nnonononono!!
what are you thinking woman :D
you have (and i repeat) HAVE to watch the whole shabang in the right order.
plz don't do something stupid =/
baka? :p
hehe just messing with you, but I really think you should watch it in the real order,
or you just won't get the story at all
at least thats what i think =/
That's true if you watch the specials before the regular series they won't make as much sense, don't forget to hunt down a copy of again to complete (as complete as it gets anyway) the series. Taken all together you still get a lot less story than the manga but a lot more story than many anime's give compared to thier manga. I have seen anime's run for 101 episodes coughslamdunkcough and not finish the whole story this one does a nice job of presenting most of the salient points.
Areguzanda
2007-02-14, 07:17
That's true if you watch the specials before the regular series they won't make as much sense, don't forget to hunt down a copy of again to complete (as complete as it gets anyway) the series. Takn all together you still get a lot less story than the manga but a lot more story than many anime's give compared to thier manga. I have seen anime's run for 101 episodes coughslamdunkcough and not finish the whole story this one does a nice job of presenting most of the salient points.
I agree
Love Hina is far from the worst.
I can mention Ai Yori Aoshi
(they haven't even made a decent ending at all. and a LOT of things from the Manga is put together all wrong in the Anime. )
and yeah. just remember.
it's:
Love Hina
Christmas special
Spring Special
Love Hina Again
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-14, 10:03
heya, just a question, would you guys recommend that the dvds be watched in release order or is it ok to watch the 'christmas special' and 'spring special' first before watching the series?
Actually, I would suggest forgoing the whole series all together and just reading the manga. Ever since I read the manga, I can't watch the anime without cringing.
Except the Christmas movie. That was good stuff.
heya, just a question, would you guys recommend that the dvds be watched in release order or is it ok to watch the 'christmas special' and 'spring special' first before watching the series?I have to agree with FPB, I'd skip watching it and just read it, but that's me. If you're going to watch it, you shouldn't watch the specials before the series.
What you'll find with the anime is that there are selected moments you like, cringe at other parts, and then get annoyed at the directorial decisions in some parts. The art style was average budget so if you've gotten used to KyoAni sparkles you may be disappointed. I used to have a list of "watch these parts" (like the samurai opening for an early episode that focused on Motoko) but I can't seem to find it in my entropic mess of a hard drive.
I actually kind of think differently in that if you watched the anime first and then read the manga.... you'll be less annoyed at the anime and more excited at what the manga brings to the plate.
Actually, that's a good point. If you've never read the manga, the anime might be okay. One of the things I was most frustrated with was where they spent their time (and weird things that were just added). However, it still has some good moments, but definintely watch the series first. The art style was average budget so if you've gotten used to KyoAni sparkles you may be disappointed. Actually, for it's time (2000), Love Hina was animated at a very high level; however, time marches on and it's now starting to show it's age. Back in the day, however, the animation was one of the few things that actually redeemed the series.
Klashikari
2007-02-14, 14:24
well... i agree it was a solid animation, but the character design was really awful (that said, i can't understand how the same team kept the same style for negime! first season -_-)
well, this is indeed another matter of tastes, but i had hard time with the huge cheek, keitaro's square head, and the men-like LEGS of the hinata girls .
I dunno we can compare the manga and the anime since they are the same story but it is like comparing a movie to the book it is based on. Usually you will enjoy the movie or book more if you just forget the other one existed all together, admitedly some trainwrecks (like battlefield earth the movie) are so bad they can ruin everything they come in contact with.
Areguzanda
2007-02-14, 16:23
I dunno we can compare the manga and the anime since they are the same story but it is like comparing a movie to the book it is based on. Usually you will enjoy the movie or book more if you just forget the other one existed all together, admitedly some trainwrecks (like battlefield earth the movie) are so bad they can ruin everything they come in contact with.
youre right about that.
usually the book is allways much better then the movie, so we have to expect the Animes to lack something for the Mangas.
I tend to think anime loses some of the sole that went into the manga...also I love to read more than anything so books usialy get better raitings from me....Love hina was very good in my opinion but it did tend to get a bit ....odd
Klashikari
2007-02-16, 16:17
you can't expect anything else, when you know that LH was supposed to be a story within 3 volumes, and was then expanded like 4 times XD
Akamatsu was clearly overwhelmed by cheers and other crazy requests from rabid fans at that time, and we can obviously see a lot of events that are pointless and really redundant. (mol mol arc was really too much ~~)
true true something thats gose from a small tezz production and then became an overwhelming hit tends to make people run out of plot ideas
usopsama
2007-02-26, 04:57
I thought the manga was a masterpiece. Although, Mangaka always have the trouble making a slow beginning to his series which is ultimately a turn off to impatient people. He gave a similar slow introduction to Negima.
The anime, however, really sucked. It would be awesome if they can fully portray the entire manga series in 70+ episodes of anime.
Areguzanda
2007-02-26, 04:59
man I just got the best idea ever!!
someone has to remake the Love Hina Anime!!
let it follow the Manga completely and with much better Animation then the old Anime.
please someone do this!!!
:D
usopsama
2007-02-26, 05:09
Exactly! Like how they remade Kanon. =)
Areguzanda
2007-02-26, 05:13
Exactly! Like how they remade Kanon. =)
yeah thats the way! :D
*We'll just keep on dreaming because this will never ever happen*
:sad:
usopsama
2007-02-26, 05:15
I should also add to that, the remake of Negima. ="(
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-26, 07:49
man I just got the best idea ever!!
someone has to remake the Love Hina Anime!!
let it follow the Manga completely and with much better Animation then the old Anime.
please someone do this!!!
:D
In before Kyoto Animation worshiping.
I've thought the same thing for a while. It's possible that the original manga could even be improved upon in this way, as its flaws are now very apparent after so many years.
Sorry, but as I said before, Kyo would MESS UP Love Hina and ANY other anime where more than 1 girl is in constant touch with each other.
Look at Kanon 2006, all the girls are very similar, even the mom looks like the daughter.
Love Hina does not deserve that kind of generic treatment. If Xebec is out, JC Staff or even Gonzo (*Gasp*) would do it better. Look at Maburaho or Vandread, those have 3 girls sharing screen time and I have no issues with their facial looks.
Klashikari
2007-02-26, 12:23
actually, kanon had this problem because of the original character design.
also, i don't think i'm blind or something, but the Akiko's and Nayuki's traits look different to me, with indeed lots of common points (they ARE daughter and mother after all). seriously, Kanon girls just share the same moe and beautiful traits, but they are looking different each other, not including the sizes and the hair styles/colors.
Haruhi and FMP Fumoffu/TSR are greatly different, though from the same studio (and don't tell me that they have the "1 girl model" syndrome : TSR had a very detailed character design, and even Yu Lan and Yu Fan can be recognized from each other, ignoring their different hair style, due their slight personal traits and expressions. and except how they did the eyes in Haruhi, mimicking the godly moe character design of Noizi Ito, Haruhi, Mikuru and Yuki aren't looking the same.)
Areguzanda
2007-02-26, 13:22
actually, kanon had this problem because of the original character design.
also, i don't think i'm blind or something, but the Akiko's and Nayuki's traits look different to me, with indeed lots of common points (they ARE daughter and mother after all). seriously, Kanon girls just share the same moe and beautiful traits, but they are looking different each other, not including the sizes and the hair styles/colors.
Haruhi and FMP Fumoffu/TSR are greatly different, though from the same studio (and don't tell me that they have the "1 girl model" syndrome : TSR had a very detailed character design, and even Yu Lan and Yu Fan can be recognized from each other, ignoring their different hair style, due their slight personal traits and expressions. and except how they did the eyes in Haruhi, mimicking the godly moe character design of Noizi Ito, Haruhi, Mikuru and Yuki aren't looking the same.)
I agree.
I think a Kyo remake of Love Hina would have been just the thing.
2H-Dragon
2007-02-26, 13:48
The manga of LH wasn't that great that it deserves a remake though. The last few volumes where just way over the top and most people would prolly consider this medicore. It's an old classic and let's keep it that way. :O
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-26, 19:40
The manga of LH wasn't that great that it deserves a remake though. The last few volumes where just way over the top and most people would prolly consider this medicore. It's an old classic and let's keep it that way. :O
Actually, that's why I would want a remake: to get rid of or improve upon the less-than-stellar aspects of it. Love Hina really runs all over the place in terms of quality of story, so it'd be nice to see some of holes filled and bumps smoothed over. Usually I'm also of the opinion to let a classic stay classic (glares at NGE: Iron Maiden 2nd), but I think this is a perfect candidate for a remake - especially since it's been seven years since the anime aired.
The problem is most anime I have ever seen is started well before the manga finishes or even gets going good, it seems like whatever the hot manga is, will be garaunteed an anime. This means almost certainly the story will never satisfy as well as the manga can, if they waited till the manga was done though no one would want to watch the anime any more probably.
actually, kanon had this problem because of the original character design.
also, i don't think i'm blind or something, but the Akiko's and Nayuki's traits look different to me, with indeed lots of common points (they ARE daughter and mother after all). seriously, Kanon girls just share the same moe and beautiful traits, but they are looking different each other, not including the sizes and the hair styles/colors.
Haruhi and FMP Fumoffu/TSR are greatly different, though from the same studio (and don't tell me that they have the "1 girl model" syndrome : TSR had a very detailed character design, and even Yu Lan and Yu Fan can be recognized from each other, ignoring their different hair style, due their slight personal traits and expressions. and except how they did the eyes in Haruhi, mimicking the godly moe character design of Noizi Ito, Haruhi, Mikuru and Yuki aren't looking the same.)
I would normally say that's true but take a good look a Haruhi Suzimiya and FMP Fumoffu. In the Hot Springs episode I really noticed that their faces were all alike.
slidingk1
2007-02-27, 03:25
A remake of love hina would be great but how about just show the arc where they get married.
Areguzanda
2007-02-27, 03:27
I would normally say that's true but take a good look a Haruhi Suzimiya and FMP Fumoffu. In the Hot Springs episode I really noticed that their faces were all alike.
sry but I don't agree
I easily find the differences in each character in that episode.
and I just watched Haruhi Suzimiya yesterday, and there were differences in each character there too.
maybe not everyone can spot the differences but I can.
and I think many other can too.
so I agree that I think a Kyo remake of Love Hina would have been just the thing.
It would be very interesting to see a remake with a leaner *whole* story focusing on the quad-rangle center of the series (which essentially involve the Naru, Mutsumi, and Motoko threads with some splashes of Shinobu and ... sister :) ). Most of the Kaolla Su segments and participation were just massive derails (slapstick toy stupidity) outside of the very basic "moon" form story. Drop completely over-the-top slapstick violence (or at least use it sparingly) like knocking Keitaro into Team Rocket's special place in the sky which got really annoying in the anime (at least he landed someplace in the manga :) ).
Meh, I'm not going to try and design my preferred vision for a remake in a paragraph or two.... but given the recent penchant for remakes it would be nice to see a decent studio pick it up --- it was quite a hit in its time.
Hmmm, about 80% of the mangas I've ever picked up were because of the anime so doing an anime after the manga was complete would likely revitalize manga sales I would think.
FatPianoBoy
2007-02-27, 16:57
It would be very interesting to see a remake with a leaner *whole* story focusing on the quad-rangle center of the series (which essentially involve the Naru, Mutsumi, and Motoko threads with some splashes of Shinobu and ... sister :) ).
I find your lack of Kanako disturbing :p
She's one of the main things I'd like to see redone, as she was pure fail in the OVA.
Some more Seta and Haruka would be good, too.
Hmmm, about 80% of the mangas I've ever picked up were because of the anime so doing an anime after the manga was complete would likely revitalize manga sales I would think.
Indeed. Love Hina, Nausicaa, and Chobits I picked up after seeing the anime versions, which I probably wouldn't have if not for seeing them.
Hmmm, about 80% of the mangas I've ever picked up were because of the anime so doing an anime after the manga was complete would likely revitalize manga sales I would think.
As vexx points out peoples buying habits differ unless the Anime has been on TV I generally only buy anime because I enjoyed the manga. (America isn't known for it's amazing variety of anime on the air) But I think he has a point especially if it comes out on TV it seems all together likely that the showing of anime like Bleach Naruto and One-Piece etc have really encouraged the purchase of both dvd's and manga. (or in my case discouraged, I personally think someone sold thier soul to get one-piece on the air) But the same can be said in reverse I have read scans of manga that were so bad I wouldn't watch the anime if someone paid for me to watch it. It is like arguing the value of manga scans, I will for instance likely pick up every volume of ichigo 100% when it is published by viz starting this summer, but some publishers are extremely anti scanslation. I know of one site where Tokyopop asked them to take down Chobits.
hmmm, you're mixing countries and licensed/unlicensed stuff here....
Generally (as an American), I'll see the anime via fansubs... then pick up the manga (english or japanese)... then I'll usually buy the DVDs when they release in Region 1. Sometimes I'll buy a few figures or CDs. In the case of Love Hina, I'd like to see the japanese anime industry remake it (then we get to watch it via fansub, and then buy the R1s when they come out).
I never watch anime on american tv because --- for me it usually sucks. Either it has undergone extensive localization (e.g. Pokemon'ed) or it is a subgenre I pretty much loathe (Naruto, Bleach, etc). It is rarely if ever broadcast in the original language with subtitles.
Tokyopop had Chobit scanlations taken down because <gasp> its a licensed product in the US/Canada. There's no reason to leave such things up if they're available to purchase and the rights to publish are licensed.
Scanlations and fansubs are double-edged --- because it gives the consumer the ability to preview the material before investing in it.
Matt Soulblade
2007-02-28, 17:59
They are available in USA, not in all the world. But luckily, you can always go to THE place for manga dls :cough:
... in another note, I would also love a Love Hina remake. A remake loyal to the manga of course.
I would love a remake of Love Hina. 24 episodes (give or take) is not enough to get even the most basic key areas of Akamatsu's storyline in. And the fillers stretching the already weak story... I mean, whats with Su's sister and the alligator??? :mad:
It deserves a remake sheerly to right the wrongs of the original anime.
I'll say this again,
We don't need a remake as much as we need a FINALE!
Oh please no Xebec, JC Staff FTW!
Klashikari
2007-03-03, 12:05
well... if they do something as wrong as Shingetsutan tsukihime, no JC Staff, thanks... (Shakugan no Shana was ok, indeed, but Tsukihime was really a shock to me how lowly it was done)
Just spotted bizarre at the bookstore....
Tokyopop is re-releasing Love Hina's first 3 volumes as a Single Big Ass Easy To Carry Paperback. I hope the spine on that thing is reinforced.
I'm figuring they're responding to the incessant complaints that "bookstores have vol 1 and 3 but not 2 (and permutations)" and trying to find a way to reduce unit count and provide a nice bookish intro to the series to pump up the sales.
No complaints... it was just very odd to look at.
That's kind of bizarre. I wonder if they're going to do it with the whole series and/or with some of their other "evergreen" titles like Chobits and CCS. My 1-3 have held up surprisingly well, but my last three volumes look like they're about to fall to pieces.
FatPianoBoy
2007-04-13, 16:30
Just spotted bizarre at the bookstore....
Tokyopop is re-releasing Love Hina's first 3 volumes as a Single Big Ass Easy To Carry Paperback. I hope the spine on that thing is reinforced.
I'm figuring they're responding to the incessant complaints that "bookstores have vol 1 and 3 but not 2 (and permutations)" and trying to find a way to reduce unit count and provide a nice bookish intro to the series to pump up the sales.
No complaints... it was just very odd to look at.
So, now our manga is $30 and the size of your average Bible? :uhoh:
Also, now people will be complaining about missing three volumes instead of one :p
Love Hina was actually my first Manga I ever read. I became completely engrossed in it and read it multiple times. I loved how everything plotted out through the series. Great character development and such.
As I read through this thread a few days ago though, I saw Maison Ikkoku brought up so I decided to check it out. I'm currently about half way through the series and found out where Love Hina got it's roots from.
Both are amazing manga and definately worth spending money/time on. =)
vasharvin55
2007-04-23, 04:04
love the story...^_^
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/vasharvin55/megami06.gif
animeffs13240
2007-04-23, 05:32
This is actually the first manga i've ever read, but i was not introduced to it by word of mouth. I actually first heard about love hina at 2flashgames because they had a Love Hina sex sim game on there:p But after I saw they had books about it I thought maybe I would check it out. I have all 14 books of the original tokyopop manga but I had no idea there was a new translation until I read the thread today. The manga of course is more in depth than the anime. I mean in the anime there was a mention of Motoko's sister but you never see her. In the manga she is shown and the stories that she is in shows more in depth of motoko and keitaro's relationship. (but being a sucker of anime i have bought the complete collection anime set)...I prefer the manga of course, because the anime leaves so many blank spots but the manga in more in depth and tells more about everybody's relationship but i need to check on one thing
did haruka and seta ever marry in the anime???
if they didn't show it, my points about the shallow end of anime are true.. but if they did i need to do more reasearch:p
Areguzanda
2007-04-23, 05:43
This is actually the first manga i've ever read, but i was not introduced to it by word of mouth. I actually first heard about love hina at 2flashgames because they had a Love Hina sex sim game on there:p But after I saw they had books about it I thought maybe I would check it out. I have all 14 books of the original tokyopop manga but I had no idea there was a new translation until I read the thread today. The manga of course is more in depth than the anime. I mean in the anime there was a mention of Motoko's sister but you never see her. In the manga she is shown and the stories that she is in shows more in depth of motoko and keitaro's relationship. (but being a sucker of anime i have bought the complete collection anime set)...I prefer the manga of course, because the anime leaves so many blank spots but the manga in more in depth and tells more about everybody's relationship but i need to check on one thing
did haruka and seta ever marry in the anime???
if they didn't show it, my points about the shallow end of anime are true.. but if they did i need to do more reasearch:p
to spoiler: no they never showed it.
it's just one of the many things lacking in the Anime.
I think I would love a remake of the series.
Though keep the persons looks like it allways have been, but with better animation quality and a story closer following the manga.
that would be great :)
Actually if I remember the marriage of those two occured in Love Hina summer special.... and I don't mean Keitaro and Naru :)
We don't need a remake as much as we need a FINALE!
I would certainly agree that the "movie/ova" second part of the series was the most flawed, and most in need of being re-done. If they could only redo that part, it would be worth redoing.
Still, I would not mine seeing the whole seriesre-done from the beginning, perhaps as two 26 episode "seasons" and following the now completed manga storyline more faithfully (even the first season had some flaws and divergences from the manga).
Areguzanda
2007-04-23, 09:03
Actually if I remember the marriage of those two occured in Love Hina summer special.... and I don't mean Keitaro and Naru :)
really?
I can not remember that even though I think I've seen every episode there is :S
please send me a PM about this. =)
animeffs13240
2007-04-23, 10:35
really?
I can not remember that even though I think I've seen every episode there is :S
please send me a PM about this. =)
Could you do the same thing to me too...I'm boggled down with a lot of school work so I really don't have time to watch anime, just enough time to write down some posts
That's in the timeline where it happens in the manga, but I don't think they actually show it in the anime. Actually, I'm pretty sure in the anime,
they imply that Seta is going to end up with Kitsune, not Haruka.
Klashikari
2007-04-23, 12:33
I would certainly agree that the "movie/ova" second part of the series was the most flawed, and most in need of being re-done. If they could only redo that part, it would be worth redoing.
love hina again was flawed because it had to squeeze 4 volumes into 3 frigging episodes (volumes 9 to 12)
outside of the whacked pace, it is faithful (plot and chara design wise).
Still, I would not mine seeing the whole seriesre-done from the beginning, perhaps as two 26 episode "seasons" and following the now completed manga storyline more faithfully (even the first season had some flaws and divergences from the manga).2 series? at the most, 3 of 12-13 episodes, but 50 episodes is really too much.
Actually, the anime had too much fillers, the chara design was horrible, and most of the characters development were completely screwed. frankly, your "even the first season had some flaws" really surprised me, because when i watched the anime, i didn't recognize the manga i liked, however strong i tried. (I couldn't bear Kentaro, the singer episode, and Moe : really dumb fillers if you ask me)
and, like rooboy said, i'm pretty sure the anime didn't mention any wedding plot between haruka and seta.
love hina again was flawed because it had to squeeze 4 volumes into 3 frigging episodes (volumes 9 to 12)
outside of the whacked pace, it is faithful (plot and chara design wise).
True, and that was the sort of flaws I was referring to. The introduction of Keitaro's sister for example was way to rushed and did not provide for proper development of either her character of her storyline. Given the time constrains of the OVA, they would have better off omitting her entirely and just concentration on wrapping up the stories of the existing characters.
2 series? at the most, 3 of 12-13 episodes, but 50 episodes is really too much.
The original first season was 25 episodes and I can't see them doing justice to the segment of the manga covered by that season in much less than 20-22 episodes. I think there is enough material to justify 48-50 episodes without making up any filler, but I would say that three 12-13 episode (36-39 episodes total) seasons would be the absolute minimum to do the manga justice.
Actually, the anime had too much fillers, the chara design was horrible, and most of the characters development were completely screwed. frankly, your "even the first season had some flaws" really surprised me, because when i watched the anime, i didn't recognize the manga i liked, however strong i tried.
I think the first season is good as a stand alone anime. If you compare it to the manga is when it really suffers, though. I certainly agree that there were a lot of bad decisions on what to leave out and what to add (a problem with all the anime adaptations of Akamatsu's work). In a lot of ways the Love Hina Again OVA was a better adaptation, aside from that fact that it was far too short.
Klashikari
2007-04-23, 13:03
True, and that was the sort of flaws I was referring to. The introduction of Keitaro's sister for example was way to rushed and did not provide for proper development of either her character of her storyline. Given the time constrains of the OVA, they would have better off omitting her entirely and just concentration on wrapping up the stories of the existing characters.
Point taken : LH watchers would have nothing to lose, if the anime has concluded in its own way, without LH again. (basically, they could make a "chase arc", without kanako, but maybe one of the hinata girls, or even Moe)
in fact, i hoped they would involve Mei, so she could force her nee-chan to set her feelings towards kei. (this was the only addiction i agreed, but they didn't take full advantage of it... AKH -__-")
The original first season was 25 episodes and I can't see them doing justice to the segment of the manga covered by that season in much less than 20-22 episodes. I think there is enough material to justify 48-50 episodes without making up any filler, but I would say that three 12-13 episode (36-39 episodes total) seasons would be the absolute minimum to do the manga justice.
humm, in fact, i was hoping an adaptation of the manga, without any filler for the anime AND manga (the first volumes were kinda stalled, and the great finale too, so erm...)
but come to the think of it, 24-26 might be too short, yeah...
I think the first season is good as a stand alone anime. If you compare it to the manga is when it really suffers, though. I certainly agree that there were a lot of bad decisions on what to leave out and what to add (a problem with all the anime adaptations of Akamatsu's work). In a lot of ways the Love Hina Again OVA was a better adaptation, aside from that fact that it was far too short.
i guess i was really biased, since i was a big fan of the manga at that time, since i felt it was a complete trainwreck (no joke, sometimes i wondered why i watched this anime... this doesn't mean i didn't enjoy it sometimes (unlike another adaptation... who said negima first season?)
meh, i should give it another try, now that it is a bit unclear in my mind :heh: (still, with/out the manga, the "muscular" legs of the girls and their face proportions still scare the hell of me :heh:)
i guess i was really biased, since i was a big fan of the manga at that time, since i felt it was a complete trainwreck
Yeah, I was lucky enough to see the anime first, and then read the manga much later so I had time to develop a liking for the anime before I realized how poorly it adapted the manga (of course, I sort of liked the first Negima! anime for the same reasons, but after reading the manga my liking for the anime completely evaporated. :p )
...meh, i should give it another try, now that it is a bit unclear in my mind :heh: (still, with/out the manga, the "muscular" legs of the girls and their face proportions still scare the hell of me :heh:)
I agree with you and others about the general flaws of the anime. I was on my second time reading the manga front to back when I fianlly bought the whole anime as a set, sight unseen. From the first ep, I couldn't understand what manga this was an anime of because it sure wasn't Akamatsu's... After 5 eps, I just dropped and shelved it. I have all the OAV's too and have never even pulled the shrinkwrap off... maybe I should try again, since it's been over two years since my last exposure to the manga...
Oh Well I checked My LH dvds, chalk one up for senility and an appology to anyone who got thier hopes up about the wedding thing.... sorries.
Areguzanda
2007-04-24, 09:08
Oh Well I checked My LH dvds, chalk one up for senility and an appology to anyone who got thier hopes up about the wedding thing.... sorries.
Yeah I thought you had made a mistake about that. either that or my memory had gone completely twisted. I usually remember things like that^^
Akumatsu seems to have *terrible* luck getting any of his work properly adapted for the screen (whatever one thinks of his work).
I can find pieces of the Love Hina anime collection I like very much (sometimes I'll pull that up). There's one episode and a number of scenes in Negima (first season) I actually enjoy. I really didn't mind the SHAFT OVAs or the "alternative" set up and premise for Shinbo's take on Negima!? (but it plowed into the ground after a handful of episodes and seemed to lose its way).
The only way the LH manga might ever get a decent treatment I've decided is if KyoAni takes it on because they seem to be one of the few teams to actually respect the original material (even when they change a bit of it).
That is pretty much unlikely, though, and they'd still have to slice out a lot of the secondary sidestories.
Akumatsu seems to have *terrible* luck getting any of his work properly adapted for the screen (whatever one thinks of his work).
It isn't just him lots of anime that is based on manga just plain sucks. Often the only way for me to really enjoy anime is to have never come near the manga.
It isn't just him lots of anime that is based on manga just plain sucks.
While it's true that anime adaptations of Akumatsu's work are not unique in that respect, they certainly are notorious for the poor job that was done in their adaptations. Love Hina and both versions of Negima are some of the worst examples of how to adapt a popular and good manga to anime I have seen. Remove huge amounts of really good material, and then stick in random chunks of totally new, and totally inferiour filler material. :frustrated:
While it's true that anime adaptations of Akumatsu's work are not unique in that respect, they certainly are notorious for the poor job that was done in their adaptations. Love Hina and both versions of Negima are some of the worst examples of how to adapt a popular and good manga to anime I have seen. Remove huge amounts of really good material, and then stick in random chunks of totally new, and totally inferiour filler material. :frustrated:
I completely agree, which is why I find the LH anime so unwatchable, and for that matter Negima as well...
Additionally, the animation and stylizations of the characters in both series lack something that Akamatsu's chara have. They aren't svelte like the originals in the manga. There is a quality to Akamatsu's art that makes his chara, especially the girls, smooth and at times almost dreamy. Something about the eye construction and the describing lines that make up their body forms. I've seen other animation that captures something like it, but not for LH or Negima. :(
Klashikari
2007-04-25, 09:29
Well, actually, if both series used the same chara design done for Love Hina Again, this would nullify completely the design issue.
as for Negima!?, i actually liked how SHAFT designed the series. the flaws were merely the plot and the complete suppression of characters backstory and development.
the major problem with Akamatsu's works adaptations isn't really the art, but the plot...
as for Negima!?, i actually liked how SHAFT designed the series. the flaws were merely the plot and the complete suppression of characters backstory and development.
That is exactly how I felt about Negima!? myself. It was totally different in "look" than the original manga, but the look was good taken on it's own. I was so disappointed in the story and especially in the development of (or rather lack thereof) the characters, though, that I eventually just dropped it. :(
To my mind the strength of Akamatsu's work is not the art (although I will say I do like it) or even the stories but really the characters. This is really evident with the Negima! manga where you have over thirty "main" characters, all with distinct and interesting personalities, and all of whom are a joy to read about.
the major problem with Akamatsu's works adaptations isn't really the art, but the plot...
Agree here, too. I could easly live with the artwork in the Love Hina, Mahou Sensei Negima! or even the Negima!? anime, if the story and characters stuck to Akamatsu's works instead of making pointless and ill-advised changes that do nothing to improve the anime (or in the case of Negima!? throw the original story out almost entirely and start from scratch). :mad:
Well, I'm an artist so the art style has HUGE impact on me...
I have to agree with Mughi The art does matter if you read the LH light novel it doesn't play quite the same as the manga, it doesn't have the feeling in it that Akamatsu's art does. As manga goes his art isn't just good it is exceptional and if you started out with A.I. Love You the progress he has made while staying true to his own style is obvious.
...As manga goes his art isn't just good it is exceptional and if you started out with A.I. Love You the progress he has made while staying true to his own style is obvious.
This is so true. Each new series he does, the art just gets that much more refined. Akamatsu's fascination with pantsu & upskirts aside, his girls all manage to be sexy and somehow innocent all at the same time. The renditions in the LH anime were clunky and bottomheavy and the chara in Negima were too stick like and lacked finesse.
There's no doubt that the wasteful changes to the script were annoying, but if the eye candy is yummy enough, you won't notice the changes, or care. That's the beauty of animation. Even a shabby story hack can survive if the graphics are beautious enough! ;)
if you started out with A.I. Love You the progress he has made while staying true to his own style is obvious.
Having read A.I. Love You, Love Hina and Negima! I totally agree with you there. You can recognize the style of Negima! even in the first chapters of A.I. Love You, but as each series progresses you can see it becoming more and more refined as time passes.
if the eye candy is yummy enough, you won't notice the changes, or care. That's the beauty of animation. Even a shabby story hack can survive if the graphics are beautious enough! ;)
I guess this is just personal differences and what is important to you. I admit art is a key element of a good manga or graphic novel and it's hard to overcome actually bad art. To me, however, a good story and good characters can carry average art and still result in a good and enjoyable series, while even the best art can't save a series with charaters I don't care about, or a story that does not hold together.
...I guess this is just personal differences and what is important to you. I admit art is a key element of a good manga or graphic novel and it's hard to overcome actually bad art. To me, however, a good story and good characters can carry average art and still result in a good and enjoyable series, while even the best art can't save a series with charaters I don't care about, or a story that does not hold together.
I think we are disagreeing over a matter of degrees. I'm not referring to just ANY series out there... We're talking about Love Hina and by extension, Negima!. Two stories that already have proven they are engaging. My point is that the poor art AND the story changes screwed up the anime versions enough that they hold no value for me to spend my time on. If rather the art in both anime versions was at least up to par of Akamatsu's style, I'd have (bought and) watched them even WITH the story changes. Without that level of visual continuity, I can't forgive the changes to the script.
I think we are disagreeing over a matter of degrees.
Oh, definetly! I certainly wasn't trying to say my way of looking at manga was the right, or even the better, way to look at them. Just that different people have different expectations and different priorities. :)
My point is that the poor art AND the story changes screwed up the anime versions enough that they hold no value for me to spend my time on.
Yes, I can't really disagree. No mater what relative importance you apply to artwork, story, and charactes, both those anime were inferior in all three areas when compared to the manga they were adapted from. Improving in any of those areas could only have improved the amine.
ReddyRedWolf
2007-06-09, 09:47
My most fav character in LH is Sara McDougal. Becaue he's the only girl that did not explicitly fall for Keitaro. (Though according to Kanako's love list she's the lowest scorer at 62. Just friends was 50)
Right from the start Ken was developing Sara's character concept
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/hina_366.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/hina_376.jpg
Sara is supposed to be a cuter kid with a pet mouse that is contantly chased by the cat.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/hina_377.jpg
Sara as a more little sister like character for Keitaro
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/hina_030.jpg
It's one thing when she's a brat...
It's another when she's all grown up...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/hina_031.jpg
Is that a magical shovel? (Like supposedly Seta's) A pactio artifact?
Makes me wish I had the skills to make this a pactio card.
Though I've noticed pretty much like Forty-chan in AI Love You Ken made her shorter as LH progressed.
Sara's quite hot in the epilogue
Sara's quite hot in the epilogue
Forget Sara, if I were Keitaro I would dump Naru in a second for grown up Shinobu! :love:
This has been a driveby banner-wave for Motoko :)
I find it interesting when new people discover this relatively old classic.
It is messy and rambling but contains some of my favorite story arcs in all manga.
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-20, 13:57
This has been a driveby banner-wave for Motoko :)
I find it interesting when new people discover this relatively old classic.
It is messy and rambling but contains some of my favorite story arcs in all manga.
Make that two ;)
The term I like to use for this sort of thing is "beautiful mess:" something that should technically be a train wreck but somehow manages to roll around in the mud and come up sparkling.
I gotta say Mutsumi is my type. and while the story is messy it is funny and well drawn.
Forget Sara, if I were Keitaro I would dump Naru in a second for grown up Shinobu! :love:
Heck yeah! Shinobu's always the cutest. Not forgetting to mention that she's even hotter than Naru in the epilogue.
holyman282
2007-08-04, 07:24
Well just finished the manga... Damn don't know how i could miss such a classic! As for my favourite girl it would have to be motoko, although i was a bit dissapointed that she cut her hair.
I also agree that the whole story was very rambly, but i found to be somewhat addictive and ploughed through all 14 volumes in such a short time..
After reading the manga i can see why so many people were dissapointed with the anime.
Mo-to-ko , not mokoto :) :) if you're going to worship a goddess it is important to get the name right so she doesn't slice and dice you :)
holyman282
2007-08-04, 19:45
Ahh sorry, lol how could i get her name wrong... Although one downside was that i was a bit dissapointed that Motoko didn't get the Naru jealousy treatment like alot of the other girls......
I really wanted to see what Naru's reaction would be when Motoko confessed to Keitaro, while she was near them, considering they were officially dating now... Dammit I want more Motoko!
EvaForever
2007-08-27, 23:26
How Much Editing Did Tokyopop Do To Love Hina? Is it worth owning,or should I Buy the Japanese Original.
To my understanding, Tokyopop doesn't edit if by that you are asking if they toned down the visual nudity or cut scenes. The only companies I know of who've censored manga have suffered pretty dearly for it.
As to how well they translated .... I dunno but if you can read Japanese I'd say go with the original --- most translations of any manga suffer from meaning shifts.
EvaForever
2007-08-28, 11:51
Thanks Vexx.
To my understanding, Tokyopop doesn't edit if by that you are asking if they toned down the visual nudity or cut scenes.
I've seen both scanlated and Tokypop copies of the manga, and there does not appear to have been any censoring of the art. It's really never too extream, anyway. Just underwear shots or bathing shots, with nothing "vital" showing.
As to how well they translated .... I dunno but if you can read Japanese I'd say go with the original --- most translations of any manga suffer from meaning shifts.
Assuming the scanlations I saw were accurate, Tokyopop did a hack-job on the translations. Gross mistranslations or deliberatly changed dialog. From comments on various manga and anime forums, I gather that the general opinion of the Tokyopop version of Love Hina is really bad.
Heh I was trying to figure out how it got Best Manga of 2002 on my cover. I was like WTF this is a hack job.
ironbomb
2007-12-06, 22:03
I just finished this manga. Gotta say it wasnt a bad read but kinda disappointed. The storyline was really weak. It took 3/4's of the manga for the female lead to "state" that he has feelings for Keitaro which was starting to get on my nerves to the point where I was thinking of dropping this. It lacked conflicts between the female characters especially since there was no TRUE competition against Naru(I still dont know whats her name lol.. is it Narusegawa Naru or just Narusegawa and never given us her full name?) throughout the manga. The twists that the manga shown was weak as well...promise to go to toudai together but oh it might be her, oh wait it might not be..that really bored me. At first it was interesting, the thought of actually meeting up with the girl you made a promise with and ended up going together would be great but I was hoping for something like like Naru not being the girl and one of the girls living in Hinata-Sou would be. To be honest, was hoping that Mutsumi was the girl lol.
The characters in the manga are OK. I felt that it lacked male characters. It lacked a man to man conversation type of thing...Seta dont count lol...There was no MALE peer of Urashima's which I felt would have made the story just so much better. The development of the characters where good though. I liked how they each found there dream(or goal) in life through the hardwork that Keitaro shown. The character designs were mediocre. The girls just didnt attract me that much but the mature(3year later) Shinobu got my attention ;)
The comedy relief was GOOD. Only thing I had against it was that the whole story was more of a JOKE than a story. Seriously, every other scene you would see Keitaro flying off again(cough cough TEAM ROCKET cough cough) which really bugged me out. That DRAG the story on for too long.
That basically sums up what I wanted to say. Now my judgement on this manga. After the first 2-3 volumes, I got really bored of it. I gotta say, if it wasnt for the recommendations I heard for this manga, I would have probably dropped it before I even got to volume 5. The best part of the manga had to be in the last volume. That got my attention, especially the last few chapters. When they both admit they like each other in front of grandma, that was really emotional.
Rating out of ten(10 being the best) - 6..had a hard time deciding between 5 or 6... 5.5 would be more accurate.
Well im sure I missed somethings I wanted to say but oh wellz...That can wait until I remember them lol.
Im sure all of this has been stated before but I just felt like stating it.
Spectacular_Insanity
2007-12-07, 04:07
I own all 14 volumes of the manga, and i must say I enjoyed them quite a bit, both for their comedy and love story. I have to say the awkward interrupted love-scenes had me laughing.
All in all, I'd give the manga a 7/10, the anime a 5/10. The anime sucked, to be honest. What really prevented me from giving the series a higher rating was not because I didn't enjoy it, because i just said I did, but because Naru's hypocritical attitude annoyed the hell out of me. I think Shinobu (who continuously reminds me of Hinata from Naruto for some reason) deserved Keitaro a little more. But that's just me. Motoko would have been a good match as well, because she was very earnest about her feelings even if she was in a bit of denial at first. What could have earned the manga more points would have been the nudity drawn in (LOL, j/k XD)
I have to just mention the new character in the 14 volume though, because she's just weird. It's also funny to realize exactly how much the gang had matured in three years, too. Extra points to Shinobu's... development. (*wink wink nudge nudge*)
aka Providence
2007-12-07, 04:32
mm, it's been about three to fours years since i've finished reading the manga. back then, i'd give it a 10/10 because, one: it's the first manga i've ever read (that fact plus it made me read the entire thing almost without pause), two: i'm positive i would have never read manga if my friend didn't persuade me to read this (it's sentimental value in a nutshell), and three: if i didn't read manga i'm also positive i wouldn't have jumped head-first into the world of anime and manga.
now, after reading so many manga and watching so many anime, there's a significant change in how i rate how good manga is, but still... reading it all over again brings me a little bit of nostalgia. i'd give it an 8.5/10 or 9/10, but that's mixed with personal sentimentality or something.
on another note, the anime sucked arse. 3/10 on that, and it gets lower with the OVA and specials.
finally, Motoko and Mutsumi still rank high on my favorite female anime characters.
I think when we look at LH we have to consider just how little manga Akamatsu Sensei has put out before it, he had A.I. love you and ittsudate my santa as far as I know, some of the other mangaka have 5 to 10 titles out before any of it makes it outside of japan. and if you have read all of his works the progression in both art and storytelling are obvious. Negima (his current project) is a great story with good humor, art, and a story that even though it goes everywhere still seems like it is going somewhere.
I just finished this manga. Gotta say it wasnt a bad read but kinda disappointed. The storyline was really weak.
I agree. I really enjoyed the series, but great literature it ain't. ;)
It lacked conflicts between the female characters especially since there was no TRUE competition against Naru
I think the closest to "true competition" was the confusion about just who was the "promise girl" Naru, Mutsumi or maybe even Kanako? Still, Kanako was never really a contender except in her own mind, and even in the case of Mutsumi it was obvious that while Keitarō liked her, his heart always belonged to Naru.
(I still dont know whats her name lol.. is it Narusegawa Naru or just Narusegawa and never given us her full name?)
Her family name is Narusegawa, and her given name is Naru. So her full Japanese style name is Narusegawa Naru which isn't quite as confusing as the anglisized form; Naru Narusegawa (Naru-Naru?)
I felt that it lacked male characters. It lacked a man to man conversation type of thing...Seta dont count lol...There was no MALE peer of Urashima's which I felt would have made the story just so much better.
That's a pretty common convention in Harem anime, for their only to be one major male character. Placing too much emphasis on male supporting characters can shift the focus from the "one guy, several girls" formula of the harem.
Only thing I had against it was that the whole story was more of a JOKE than a story. Seriously, every other scene you would see Keitaro flying off again(cough cough TEAM ROCKET cough cough) which really bugged me out.
Actually, if you read the authors series in order; A.I. Love, Itsudatte My Santa!, Love Hina, and then Negima! you can see a definite progression in his talent at crafting a story. His first, A.I. Love You was funny but a bit lame on the story side, Love Hina was better in that regard, and the most recent series Negima! is the best yet, story-wise (although the comedy and fanservice are still major components of the manga)
That DRAG the story on for too long.
If you think that was bad, try reading the Ah! My Goddess manga. Its been running for something like 20 years, and 30+ volumes and the main characters have barely kissed. :heh:
Tonytime20
2007-12-07, 11:04
A manga is always far better than its anime version :dots:
That is not true sir. I and quite a few others think lots of anime is better than the manga.
ironbomb
2007-12-07, 13:57
I agree. I really enjoyed the series, but great literature it ain't. ;)
Exactly why I gave it a low rating.
I think the closest to "true competition" was the confusion about just who was the "promise girl" Naru, Mutsumi or maybe even Kanako? Still, Kanako was never really a contender except in her own mind, and even in the case of Mutsumi it was obvious that while Keitarō liked her, his heart always belonged to Naru.
Mutsumi would be the closest competitor against Naru. Even she didnt last long..I mean she basically gave up on Keitaro from the very beginning..only had feelings for him and hoping to get Naru and Keitaro together. Kanako wasnt really much since Keitaro never had feelings for her...Only girl that made Keitaro think twice was Mutsumi.
Her family name is Narusegawa, and her given name is Naru. So her full Japanese style name is Narusegawa Naru which isn't quite as confusing as the anglisized form; Naru Narusegawa (Naru-Naru?)
So confusing lol. I thought they called her Naru-chan because of the first 4 letters of her name last name lmao instead of sating Narusegawa which is longer.
That's a pretty common convention in Harem anime, for their only to be one major male character. Placing too much emphasis on male supporting characters can shift the focus from the "one guy, several girls" formula of the harem.
Im not asking for another lead male character. Just a support male character. There was Seta that didnt play much of a role until midway and end of the manga. We where introduced to 4..4! male characters in the WHOLE manga. Like come on...:frustrated:
Actually, if you read the authors series in order; A.I. Love, Itsudatte My Santa!, Love Hina, and then Negima! you can see a definite progression in his talent at crafting a story. His first, A.I. Love You was funny but a bit lame on the story side, Love Hina was better in that regard, and the most recent series Negima! is the best yet, story-wise (although the comedy and fanservice are still major components of the manga)
Actually I havent read any of the authors previous works before or after Love Hina so I dont know of his/her(not sure on gender of the mangaka) progress. I have read a few other romance manga that I felt are all better. Only read 3 other romance manga(that is consider the main genre) which are Ichigo100%, Suzuka and I's(also girl got game, aka Power! but not really sure and dont remember much of it). Comparing it to the 3 names I mention, its definitely of a weaker level.
If you think that was bad, try reading the Ah! My Goddess manga. Its been running for something like 20 years, and 30+ volumes and the main characters have barely kissed. :heh:
Actually, I gave up on the anime (s1) lol. I read a few volumes of the manga back in my junior yearof high school(like 5years back). I thought it was pretty interesting so I gave it a twirl. Read up to whatever volume the school library had available(I think volume 4 or so). Then the anime or so came out around the same time(I think..), so I downloaded it..watched up to the episode where they stood at the ship...dont know what was going on and just stopped...really bored me. My sister on the otherhand finished the whole anime and I was like.. wtf, whats so good about it...she wouldnt stop watching it and rewatched it a few times.
Mutsumi would be the closest competitor against Naru. Even she didnt last long..I mean she basically gave up on Keitaro from the very beginning..only had feelings for him and hoping to get Naru and Keitaro together. Kanako wasnt really much since Keitaro never had feelings for her...Only girl that made Keitaro think twice was Mutsumi.
Check out the Drama CD, it's not Manga Canon but Mutsumi tries one more time to knock out Naru.
Interesting, I always just viewed Mutsumi as kind of a red herring diversion whereas Motoko nearly submarined in for the win (even Naru acknowledged Motoko probably deserved to win more than she). Out of all the characters, Motoko and Keitaro actually seemed to *evolve* the most into interesting directions.
ironbomb
2007-12-07, 19:56
Check out the Drama CD, it's not Manga Canon but Mutsumi tries one more time to knock out Naru.
I might take a look at it..First I gotta watch the anime...Maybe...
Interesting, I always just viewed Mutsumi as kind of a red herring diversion whereas Motoko nearly submarined in for the win (even Naru acknowledged Motoko probably deserved to win more than she). Out of all the characters, Motoko and Keitaro actually seemed to *evolve* the most into interesting directions.
Well, Mutsumi was definitely more of a rival to Naru than Motoko. At first Motoko didnt even understand the feelings she had and failed/never portrayed them..not until her sister showed up the 2nd time. Naru would didnt wanna put more insecruity to herself with more names. Mutsumi have *promised* to help them which was the reason she didnt acknowledge her as a rival at the end(I think? or was it shinobu and motoko...I know she acknowledge two people.. forgot who were the 2 =/)
Actually I havent read any of the authors previous works before or after Love Hina so I dont know of his/her(not sure on gender of the mangaka) progress.
Ken Akamatsu is definetly a "him". In fact. he looks a lot like Keitaro and he also failed the entrance exams for Todai... ;)
I have read a few other romance manga that I felt are all better.
Oh, no doubt. I've read better romance manga, too. The manga Midori no Hibe (Midori Days) for example is at least as funny as Love Hina, and with a much better romance story.
ironbomb
2007-12-08, 13:31
Ken Akamatsu is definetly a "him". In fact. he looks a lot like Keitaro and he also failed the entrance exams for Todai... ;)
interesting...so it was base on his personal life.. a bit...but mostly fiction...truly interesting lol...lol I gonna dig up a picture of him.. gotta see how he looks... if he looks identical to Keitaro.....
Oh, no doubt. I've read better romance manga, too. The manga Midori no Hibe (Midori Days) for example is at least as funny as Love Hina, and with a much better romance story.
Midori days...not sure if I seen the anime..is it about the girl that is sick who is stuck in the guys hand...?
As others have said, Love Hina comes off better if you remember *when* it was published and that it was the author's second major effort. Otherwise, its like dissing a film from the 1940s because it was made in black'n'white and the pacing and editing has 1940s sensibilities. There's a lot about the series I'm not-so-fond-of but I do reread Motoko's series of arcs on occasion and a couple of the other segments for a bit of nostalgia.
The story is hardly biographical ... a lot of people try to get into Todai and fail. Ken did not have an inn full of girls, though he did end up marrying a cute little cosplaying Shinobu-type. He's basically a "geek done good". His storytelling skills are still rambling and almost broken but he and his team do character design and storyline premises that prove very popular.
ironbomb
2007-12-08, 13:49
As others have said, Love Hina comes off better if you remember *when* it was published and that it was the author's second major effort. Otherwise, its like dissing a film from the 1940s because it was made in black'n'white and the pacing and editing has 1940s sensibilities. There's a lot about the series I'm not-so-fond-of but I do reread Motoko's series of arcs on occasion and a couple of the other segments for a bit of nostalgia.
That is true. Forgetting about the artwork, I would say the storyline is weak though. Shouldnt matter how you look at it, If the storyline of a manga is strong it will attract more attention compared to this.
Time to start reading parallel & pastel now ^^...lets see how those two are hehe.
I read part of Pastel .... I think my problem was I had just come off being hyper-annoyed with Ichigo 100% and I"s. Pastel starts off nicely but as soon as the 'harem' mode set in, my interest just fell apart. Perhaps you'll have better luck :)
I do agree with you that Love Hina could use a rewrite and a lot of tightening up (like many manga trying to stretch what would have been a nice tight 8 or 10 volume story).
ironbomb
2007-12-08, 16:10
The story is hardly biographical ... a lot of people try to get into Todai and fail. Ken did not have an inn full of girls, though he did end up marrying a cute little cosplaying Shinobu-type. He's basically a "geek done good". His storytelling skills are still rambling and almost broken but he and his team do character design and storyline premises that prove very popular.
Didnt see this part of your post before =X. "Geek gone Lucky" is my way of seeing it atm. Im wouldnt be surprised that the success rate of getting into a good U is low, but to do that and end up staying in an all-female inn/dorm for so long...come on, thats a bit blah with really really low plot development. I have stated that his character designs are mediocre but I would have to change my opinion. I gotta say, they are fairly well drawn compared to alot of other manga. But gaining propularity just because of your artwork while lacking a story is blehz. :frustrated:
I read part of Pastel .... I think my problem was I had just come off being hyper-annoyed with Ichigo 100% and I"s. Pastel starts off nicely but as soon as the 'harem' mode set in, my interest just fell apart. Perhaps you'll have better luck
I do agree with you that Love Hina could use a rewrite and a lot of tightening up (like many manga trying to stretch what would have been a nice tight 8 or 10 volume story).
Well, I havent started yet, was hoping to read Parallel first since it was that authors first piece of work before jumping to Pastel. Hmm, I read Ichigo100% and then jumped on Suzuka then I's and finally Love hina all within the same month(Ichigo100% would be a reread though...but still had a post-stingy feelings).
Ken Akamatsu is good,but I think Love Hina was kind of a failure.We can anticipate the story without difficulties,the drawings are not that good,and the primary characters are soooo boring,especially Keitaro and Naru...But I got to admit I spent some good time reading it.
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