Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Vegard Aune]

Like, OMG!
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j76/Zeldamaniac/ThereasonwhyClannadAfterStoryepisod.png
They finally brought back Fuko!
Apart from that, I can't really complain about the rest of the episode either, but as usual, I can't really think of anything to say about it just yet... It was great, but not quite as flawless as last week's episode, so, 9/10.

[Miles Teg]

Perfect continuation of episode 18, lots of emotional scene.


http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/750/1235063800885kf2.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1235063800885kf2.jpg)

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[SnackPacs]

Well, granted I was watching it live and my understanding of the japanese language is limited, I can still commentate regardless:

-HURRAH! FUKO RETURNS! :D
-Ushio is now living with Tomoya, much more pleasant and she's calling him papa <3
-We get to finally see Tomoya acting like a father and doing a decent job nonetheless
-episode started with Akio and Tomoya playing baseball again and, of course, tomoya broke another window
-The returning to his father's place to introduce Ushio to him
-Finally things seem to be patched up and Tomoya's father seems to be 'alive' for the first time in ages
-Apparently, he moves out of the house he was in and will hopefully be on the way to getting things in order for himself
-*gasp* Another light orb! And Ushio saw it quite clearly, I'm not sure about Tomoya however...

Of course, I can understand little from the Preview so... Can't comment on that. Still, looks like another decent chunk of progress was made in this episode and maybe they have things in store left over, but might be stretching out another episode before we see anything 'big' happen.

Agreed with Vegard, not a stellar one... Doubt knowing what they were saying will make a difference but... If anything, more an 8 than a 10.

Average Clannad Drama/Calm period/comedy faire. Probably the most normal episode in a long time.

[Ithekro]

Sounds interesting.Fu-chan! One episode earlier than expected.

[Justin Kim]

Hm, so only the raw is out - Ah, I can't wait - although I've seen all the spoilers it still gives me an enjoyable experience just watching the subbed episodes. It's weird though, I developed an adaptive ability to listen to Japanese, and understand what it's usually saying - a basic translation I suppose, probably from watching a load of anime shows in the past.

[SageGaiGar]

Hm, so only the raw is out - Ah, I can't wait - although I've seen all the spoilers it still gives me an enjoyable experience just watching the subbed episodes. It's weird though, I developed an adaptive ability to listen to Japanese, and understand what it's usually saying - a basic translation I suppose, probably from watching a load of anime shows in the past.

Mmm, I'm slowly reaching that point. Still got a long way to go. I tend to watch Raws out of impatience, and that challenge of trying to figure out what's being said. Though some shows are so dialogue heavy that I need to wait for subs. This show's good since 's stuck fairly close to the original so I always have a clue about the meaning, imperfect as my understanding may be.

[SidVicious]

It was a nice episode.

[Leo_Otaku]

Great episode. Having "Ana" play was a nicwe touch too. I really enjoyed the scene where he goes to see his dad. This time Ushio is brought. I don't think she came in the game. Her inclusion added alot to the scene. Really great interaction between the two was really awesome. Seeing Fuko was great too. I didn't excpetto seeher until 20^-^" Really great episode

[4get]

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[bladeofdarkness]

i remember thinking at the start of the ep that the last time they played that song was at the end of fuko's arc

also, i really liked that ushio saw the light orb like that
dont really know why but it kinda made me tear up

[Proto]

Rats, What can I say, CLANNAD has completely shattered all my drama defenses by now.

The 2 tear jerking moments in this episode weren't up to par with last week's but still they were very moving in their own right. Coupled with excelent character interactions and whatnot, it got everything I could ask from a transition episode.

Plus, I had said making me cry = automatic 10. Dunno if it's worth anything by now though...

[panzerfan]

This episode ties up the loose end with Naoyuki and Fuko. I think seeing Sanae finally able to rest is heartening, although a little sad.

I think KEY actually succeeded in making a believable child , despite how that Ushio has quite the maturity. Ushio has been given much more dynamics comparing to Sunohara and as a result seems to be that much more of a character. The girl and her widower father is turning out to be quite the interesting duo to observe.

[Myssa Rei]

Ushio is... criminally cute. Also, an earlier than expected return for one of S1's characters!

[SageGaiGar]

http://i40.tinypic.com/1zxnqj6.gif http://i39.tinypic.com/2mrwl53.gif http://i41.tinypic.com/2z6gt1t.gif


highlight of the episode. ^_^

[Manji Midou]

what did akio say to sanae?
._.

[mandarb916]

what did akio say to sanae?
._.

basically you can cry now

Was looking forward to last week's and this week's episodes immensely and I wasn't disappointed at all to say the least. Personally found this to be the most enjoyable/touching part of both the anime and the game.

Probably the last 10 I'll give in a very long time regardless of series...

[Mecha_Trueno]

This episode pretty much could've just been called ep18 part 2, it really did feel that way.
I think KEY actually succeeded in making a believable child , despite how that Ushio has quite the maturity. Ushio has been given much more dynamics comparing to Sunohara and as a result seems to be that much more of a character. The girl and her widower father is turning out to be quite the interesting duo to observe.Eh... did you just compare Sunohara to Ushio? Come on man, one of them has a brain and the other doesn't:p... bit unfair isn't it?:heh:

This episode ties up the loose end with Naoyuki and Fuko. I think seeing Sanae finally able to rest is heartening, although a little sad.Yeah, I found it really heart warming as well, to see Sanae finally relieved from her mission, which she did an excellent job of. Was really touched when Akio AKKI said its her turn to cry now.


Now, when Tomoya stepped into Nagisa's room, did you guys REALLY think he was remembering Nagisa?
... the REAL truth:Isogai Sanako!
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5543/snapshot20090220025205zq2.png

Come on, it was the FIRST THING he thought of:heh:
I just thought... off topic: in the upcoming Saimoe2009, I wonder if Isogai Sanako and Furukawa Sanae can count as two separate charcters:D
I'd still, vote for Furukawa Sanae though, I prefer her 'hot mum' look:naughty:



So is this the end of Okazaki Naoyuki's arc? It hasn't really gotten around to showing us how they had a fight, which resulted in Tomoya's useless shoulder for life. Or did I miss it somewhere?:confused: My memory isn't working right now, nor have I played the game, so I don't know.

Am I the only who found it depressing when Fuuko said hajimemashite? I know it was supposed to be a happy scene, with the Fuuko of and all, but come on... they don't remember anything:(
This was amusing though:http://i40.tinypic.com/1zxnqj6.gif

[Proto]

So is this the end of Okazaki Naoyuki's arc? It hasn't really gotten around to showing us how they had a fight, which resulted in Tomoya's useless shoulder for life. Or did I miss it somewhere? My memory isn't working right now, nor have I played the game, so I don't know.

I don't remember if it was mentioned in the anime, but it was a pretty stupid reason. They got into an argument about how Tomoya didn't take care of his shoes when he arrived home, and it escalated from there.

[MeoTwister5]

Can someone give me the orb count on the title screen?

Also OMFG Fuuko. I thought it would be at a later episode, but yay for her coming back now.

[Ushio]

That was pretty nice, 'though I wish I could've understood what they were saying. Well, I got the basic idea. ^~^

Fuuko~ ♥♥

[Yushi]

Am I the only one who felt really sad when .... Tomoya displays the picture frame with Nagisa's photo in it? T_T It really reminds you how she's gone T_T
Ushio is so cute! I think it's mainly because she's not super duper talkative and hyper. Instead, she can understand when the situation is serious and quietly observes the surroundings instead of wailing to her daddy for candy at the most inappropriate times XD
Go Tomoya, go!

[SnackPacs]

Am I the only one who felt really sad when .... Tomoya displays the picture frame with Nagisa's photo in it? T_T It really reminds you how she's gone T_T

Absolutely, the most prominent thought was it was a really beautiful and well suited picture of her and I was thinking how at least it gave Ushio a good image to look at and constantly remember her by. That's... really what sucks the most and what made me so sad in the previous episode, Ushio's never gotten to see her mother and if she knew what kind of person she was, how badly she wanted to have her, she'd miss her even more. >_<

[Ottocycle]

The bits of Nagisa in the ep were superb, the picture was beautiful, and having Ushio immediately falling asleep upon her mother's scent was just wonderful.

[Haruyasha]

Sheesh.. she's so tiny.. and yet.. she's the same age as Okazaki..

http://i41.tinypic.com/2q3p3kp.jpg

But is still a first year in high school. xD



I wonder if Sunohara will show up in the next episode...

[Shiroth]

It's so obvious who Ushio's teacher is. :p

Another moving episode. The stuff with Tomoya's father was very touching, especially the flashback shown while Tomoya was saying his farewell.

& oh no it's Fuuko. I smiled quite a bit during her scene. Glad to see her again.

[MeoTwister5]

Sorry but Fuuko is absolutely awesome in After Story.

Still waiting for subs though.

[Shiroth]

Still waiting for subs though.
Subs are out. :)

[Kristen]

So, the episode where Tomoya finally starts to get his life back together, solving all outstanding issues. This episode too could've been the end of it, although they'd need to tweak the end just a tiny bit. Maybe a hug and that's the end of it?

From the preview, it looks like it's going to show Tomoya being a good father and really building the bonds of family.

A warm and heart felt episode, and I was really touching to watch it, but it still was not the type that makes you step back and say "That was the best episode I've seen in my life" like last episode. So, I'll give it a 9.

[Nosauz]

this episode was a great follow up to 18, even though in my opinion 18 is probably will be the pinnacle of anime quality for a long time. This episode didn't go for some cheesy reunion, it was more refined, and when sanae san was crying, it felt really painful, as if you feel the tears of 5 years stored up finally being released. I think this episode was great in the sense that it brought back memories of 18 in a way that wasn't blunt, and the whole episode was very subtle except for the light at the end. I found myself getting teary through out the entire episode because little things about nagisa, and the fact that the episode was so well linked with the previous one. I know a lot of people harp on the reconciliation but stuff like this actually happens. Any way here's to more great clannad to come.

[bkg9990]

Oh lawd, what a tear jerker episode when Tomoya confronted his father. And I thought he was gonna hug him ;_;

Fuuko showed much earlier than anticipated.

Ushio's teacher is on the OP with children :D(*Hint*)

[Momosan]

Fuko = Perfect 10 episode.

[Kinny Riddle]

FUUKO RETURNS! It's actually hinted in the AS OP as it's obviously her hugging Ushio if you look carefully.

It's amazing Fuuko hardly aged at all, and she's supposed to be the same age as Tomoya, which puts her at around 25-26. Then again, her sister Kouko and Yoshino hardly looked any different, and of course, Sanae and Akio are very youthful as grandparents.

(Must be a Key thing to have youthful looking adults, even the mothers in Ushio's kindergarten looked hot. :heh: )

Sanae is a strong woman, having to put up her daughter's death, and with Tomoya sulking for five whole years before figuring out how to get him and Ushio back. Akio shows why he's the man by letting her finally cry and let it out.

Compared to them, Tomoya has changed somewhat physically. Five years of many sleepless nights from mourning his late wife meant he's got baggy eyes (which can still be seen in next episode's preview).

One thing missing from the adaptation of this scene was Tomoya's monologue, in which he swore never to let Sanae be sad ever again, taking responsibility for all that she's gone through due to his neglect.

Who is Ushio's teacher, you ask? I don't think it's a spoiler as it's been hinted many times, but I'll play it safe and keep my mouth shut so the trigger-happy mods won't come messing up my post. :p

At last, Tomoya reconciles with his father. A touching scene indeed. Though the pacing of this scene here meant I didn't go as teary eyed as I did when it slowly played out in the novel. But good enough, so I'm not complaining.

And a good way to cap the episode by having Ushio witness those mysterious light orbs appear once again, reminding us that they are key to the whole story.

Today's ED now includes both Tomoya's father and grandmother (who appeared last week), but still no Fuuko, though. Perhaps next week?

[Proto]

One thing missing from the adaptation of this scene was Tomoya's monologue, in which he swore never to let Sanae be sad ever again, taking responsibility for all that she's gone through due to his neglect.

It was sort of implicit, with Tomoya's pose (e.g. bowing his head) after he heard Sanae and Akio's conversation.

[Kinny Riddle]

Compared to them, Tomoya has changed somewhat physically. Five years of many sleepless nights from mourning his late wife meant he's got baggy eyes (which can still be seen in next episode's preview).

To illustrate my point, and as a control, I even made sure Tomoya's wearing the same clothes. :cool:

Before (episode 15)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/KinnyRiddle/th_Tomoyabefore.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v298/KinnyRiddle/?action=view&current=Tomoyabefore.jpg)

After (episode 19)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/KinnyRiddle/th_Tomoyaafter.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v298/KinnyRiddle/?action=view&current=Tomoyaafter.jpg)

Notice the small lines on the corners of his eyes.

[Mecha_Trueno]

It's so obvious who Ushio's teacher is. :pUshio: "long hair, beautiful and kind"
... dam, does this mean she's not tsun tsun in class:(, defeats the purpose of having a tsundere teacher:heh:


Quote of the episode: "don't hit on people's wives!":D

[kyomagi]

I wonder if the little robot is collecting the light orbs in the other world and sending them to Tomoya, is this a hint to a possible miracle ending?

[Proto]

Now that is an interesting theory. You might want to review some of the episodes where they explained a little more about the light orbs (e.g. Yukine's arc), and the instances when the light orbs have appeared previously in order to refine that. In any case, it'd be better to do it in this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=55256) thread.

[Sheba]

The emotion is not as intense as in the former episode. However, on its own, it stays a moving and meaningful episode if not just for Tomoya making his peace with his father. This is the Clannad I love, well the episodes from #16 reminds me why I stuck with the series.

[kaitoein]

The picture that ushio draw:


http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7161/clannadafter1916cg0.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannadafter1916cg0.jpg)

it's botan isn't it?


ah btw, i also notice slight change in the ed, it has Okazaki Naoyuki now.

[Beo]

I think this episode and the next are to show Tomoya's recovery and getting his life back together, a subdued showing of his healing and a return of human emotions again.

[Ithekro]

Makes you realize just how much "lol Fuuko" was missed, doesn't it?

[Snooker]

Tomoya is going to collect "dragonball".:heh:However,nice to see starfish
again.

[Ithekro]

No more "Dozo"....:(

Two parts made me laugh. First there was the little baseball game with Ushio siding with "Akki" but the crash of the glass breaking with Ushio still bouncing happily just cracks me up.

Then there is Fuuko. Even with about 34 episodes since she last was directly interacting with the cast (not her "Fuuko Appears" scenes) it seems like Tomoya hasn't lost his touch for messing with Fuuko. A true Fuuko Master. Also direct to form "Kawaiigasm" from Fuuko over Ushio brough back memories of her hugging Nagisa in her "starfish haze" state.

[Shiroth]

Ushio: "long hair, beautiful and kind"
... dam, does this mean she's not tsun tsun in class:(, defeats the purpose of having a tsundere teacher:heh:
We all know you only show your tsun tsun and dere dere side around the one you love. :p

[dinora12]

first of all - Fuuko is back!! <3
and second - Kyou must be the kindergarten teacher, you can also see her talking to Ushio in the opening song.
the meeting between Tomoya and his father made me cry,
even though they didn't talk much.

[Ascaloth]

Episode 19 article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 19 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1371)

Nothing can compare to the epic that was Episode 18. That aside, taken on its own, this episode is a powerful one in its own right. 9/10.

[Shiroth]

and second - Kyou must be the kindergarten teacher, you can also see her talking to Ushio in the opening song.
If there's someone out there who's never see the OP, they would have been able to tell thanks to the hints given in this episode. It's so obvious like i said. :heh:

the meeting between Tomoya and his father made me cry,
even though they didn't talk much.
Yeah, it's definitely a scene that didn't have to relay on words has shown.

[IRJustman]

first of all - Fuuko is back!! <3
and second - Kyou must be the kindergarten teacher, you can also see her talking to Ushio in the opening song.

And did you see what Ushio was drawing at the very head of Act II?

--Ian.

[Dextro]

Lovely episode and it deserves a high note from my part just because of one thing: I for once wasn't completely torn up emotionally when it ended!

For the last couple of episodes I've been on the downward part of the emotional rollercoster... It's still so hard do see images of Nagisa but more so on the previous eps than this one... Finally I can see something good come out of recent events.

And Ushio is so "kawaii", even more when Fuuko is hugging her... So cute :D


http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7161/clannadafter1916cg0.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannadafter1916cg0.jpg)

it's botan isn't it?


Yes, I think it is!

Who is Ushio's teacher, you ask? I don't think it's a spoiler as it's been hinted many times, but I'll play it safe and keep my mouth shut so the trigger-happy mods won't come messing up my post. :p

Pfft, it's obvious who it is. It's obviously...

Wait... No, wait! I wasn't going to tell them I promise... No, please don't! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! *gunshot*

[Nukerjsr]

I really, really enjoyed this episode. It felt so nice that Tomoya is able to repair all of the bonds that he had with his family and he's able to keep them all in tact. Really nice to see Fuuko back and she's still the same way. Just wish could of got a little more dialogue from that scene from her.

There were two very serious moments that nearly made me cry.

-Sanae finally having a chance to rest and cry for herself. I mean, the poor thing has been soooooo kind and gentle through this whole thing from losing her daughter to having her raise her grandchild for 5 years while Tomoya was in his slump. She's just been through all of this with a kind smile that it just...gets to you when you see her weep.

-Naoyuki and Tomoya's departure was also pretty big just because the image of Naoyuki was turned in a few episodes. Tomoya breaking down reminds any of us of parental issues. So I was just dumbfounded watching that whole scene.

And by now, I really love Satomi Kōrogi voicing Ushio. It's just so perfect...^_^

The one thing I'm stuck on however, is Tomoya's injury. That was the whole basis for Tomoya's hatred for his father, so isn't it strange we never got to see it actually happen? Or what time in his life it did happen? I'm guessing that he was a great father until later into Tomoya's childhood where he start to become even more depressed, where he attack Tomoya in an arguement, thus giving the injury.

Am I right on this? I don't want to kill the dramatic moment, I just thought that was supposed to be a big thing.

[kk2extreme]

i teared up about couple cc in season 1 for 1 or 2 eps. In S2, i teared up about a liter (may be more), the end of this ep is quite emotion too but not as much as ep 18 or 16.

I shed way more tears in AS than any other animes combine :heh:

[Proto]

That was the whole basis for Tomoya's hatred for his father, so isn't it strange we never got to see it actually happen?

Hmm... not really. The reason for Tomoya for hating his father was not the injury, but the fact the he treated him like a stranger afterwards, which is what got to him. BTW the injury must have took place during his early high school days, given that he got into his high school through a sports scholarship IIRC.

[cbatty]

This episode rounded off last weeks episode nicely.

Makes you realize just how much "lol Fuuko" was missed, doesn't it?

It was so good to see Fuu-chan out of the hospital :D

The reunion between father and son was touching. I loved the role reversal they had, all the while with Ushio looking on and taking it all in. I think Nagisa would have been happy with the outcome.

[pokedz48]

I just did not understand why they did not adapt one of the more important part during the Naoyuki scene
Towards the end when Tomoya was tearing up, and Ushio was looking at him. In the game it included his internal monologue telling us that he realize he can no longer cried like a child like before. That was a definitive moment showing that Tomoya is grown up and ready to be a father. I am a little surprised they played it down, but I thought it was quite the character building.

and mega LOL at the Isogai Sanako pic

[OceanBlue]

As everyone else has already said, this was a nice reprieve from the emotional rollercoasters of the previous episodes, while still having a little bit of emotion at the end. I was all smiley at the end. I also feel dumb for not realizing who the teacher was until I looked at this thread....

So, I wonder why Tomoya had those bags under his eyes. They seem to disappear as well in the preview.

[Ruhisu]

I think that he has got this bags because of previous sadness after loosing Nagisa. It is natural.
I am really glad that he is doing well with his father now, glad that he realized all that stuff.
YAY! Fuu-chan is back, it is a funny feeling when she is in the same age as Tomoya but after awaking she has got a personality of first year studend. Great to have you back Fuu-chan :) <bakes a starfish cake>
I've really fell in love with Ushio. She is so adorable that I would like to jump into the monitor and give her an uber hug.

[Justin Kim]

The ball of light went into Tomoya's back and only Ushio saw it rather than Tomoya. Does this mean that only those that are truly happy see the balls of light? Because Tomoya didn't see it, but he actually reprieved his father. His father had always taken care of Tomoya, but Tomoya's frustration and anger completely blinded him. I wonder when the balls of light are going to come into play on the show...probably have great purpose/meaning behind them.

[Dextro]

The ball of light went into Tomoya's back and only Ushio saw it rather than Tomoya. Does this mean that only those that are truly happy see the balls of light? Because Tomoya didn't see it, but he actually reprieved his father. His father had always taken care of Tomoya, but Tomoya's frustration and anger completely blinded him. I wonder when the balls of light are going to come into play on the show...probably have great purpose/meaning behind them.

It was behind him, how was he supposed to see it?

[PNGO]

The ball of light went into Tomoya's back and only Ushio saw it rather than Tomoya. Does this mean that only those that are truly happy see the balls of light? Because Tomoya didn't see it, but he actually reprieved his father. His father had always taken care of Tomoya, but Tomoya's frustration and anger completely blinded him. I wonder when the balls of light are going to come into play on the show...probably have great purpose/meaning behind them.

It was actually an evil spirit possesing Tomoya

[Nerroth]

It was actually an evil spirit possesing Tomoya

Nah, it's a cluster of GN Particles.

(One might guess who Tomoya could dress up as on Halloween...)

[PNGO]

Nah, it's a cluster of GN Particles.

(One might guess who Tomoya could dress up as on Halloween...)

:heh::heh:


But seriously
Tomoya got what he really wanted

A FREE house!

Now all he has to do is sell it, how much money you guys think he can make? Should be enough for a long vacation

[Pretzel]

:heh::heh:


But seriously

Tomoya got what he really wanted, a free house!

Now all he has to do is sell it, how much money you guys think he can make? Should be enough for a long vacation

Too bad he has all that debt to repay.

[typhonsentra]

Same problems as always but I have to give it a few points to express how happy I am that Fuko's finally back.

On the other hand the whole light orb thing is back, ugh......

[Justin Kim]

It was behind him, was was he supposed to see it?

Even if it appeared behind his back, I am pretty sure a sheer glow that's almost blinding - Tomoya would have seen it.

[Shiroth]

Same problems as always
& what problems may you be talking about? Please tell us what you think instead of just stating it.

[VRMN]

The ball of light went into Tomoya's back and only Ushio saw it rather than Tomoya. Does this mean that only those that are truly happy see the balls of light? Because Tomoya didn't see it, but he actually reprieved his father. His father had always taken care of Tomoya, but Tomoya's frustration and anger completely blinded him. I wonder when the balls of light are going to come into play on the show...probably have great purpose/meaning behind them.

http://media.vrmnet.com/temp/frontnotback.png
This is Tomoya's chest, not his back. It's entering into his heart. He can't see it...well, I can't say why he can't see it. He could see it (and all the others) in the visual novel; this is modified from source.

As for the meaning behind the orbs, this was already explained at the end of the Yukine arc. They're handling them a bit differently here than they did in the VN, but I understand why from a story standpoint. For obvious reasons, I will refrain from explaining further here.

As for the episode, it had some really wonderful moments. Sanae finally allowing herself to mourn was a magnificently handled scene, as was, of course, the scene with Tomoya and his father. The way they handled the light was unexpected, but, as I said, it makes sense in the context of the show and its limited time. (Ushio muttering "The light..." and Tomoya misunderstanding worked surprisingly well on two levels – the misunderstanding on the surface, and the gentle reminder of Tomoya as protector.)

As I said after the last episode, they will probably not top episode 18 and this didn't do it, despite those very nice emotional moments. However, After Story as a whole continues to shine brighter as Ushio's arc progresses. 9/10

The next episode should be interesting.

[Nosauz]

well if they did the vn's approach with orbs, there would be 5 seasons of clannad, I think this infusion is probably the best way for the anime medium and from an anime story telling standpoint.

[VRMN]

I completely agree, I'm just saying. They needed to get it into a linear story, and this is a way of doing that.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Sanae: Who do you think will win, Ushio?
Ushio: Akii!
Tomoya: You're kidding me!

ROFL. Lovely episode. I loved everything about it. 10/10

[Master Chibi]

Thank you Ushio, for making me give a shit about this show, you adorable, big headed cutie.

^____^

[Ithekro]

I'm not sure what it is, but Tomoya patting Fuuko's head, with Fuuko's Theme starting up (and Fuuko's reaction) keeps cracking me up each time I watch it.

[Ottocycle]

Thank you Ushio, for making me give a shit about this show, you adorable, big headed cutie.

^____^
She causes the big fat smile plastered on my face as I watch the non-tearjerker moments, all throughout the episode but especially the part where she displays this incredulous wonder as she explores her daddy's home.

People around me are wondering whether I've gone nuts or something.

[TenkenXD]

Thank you Ushio, for making me give a shit about this show, you adorable, big headed cutie.

^____^

LMAO! Nice comment...

YAY! FOR FUUKO! WELCOME BACK!

[Dextro]

Even if it appeared behind his back, I am pretty sure a sheer glow that's almost blinding - Tomoya would have seen it.

It wasn't that big of a glow, it's a pretty small orb so it shouldn't be seen much on a sunny day.

[Bonta Kun]

Fuu-chan!!!

lol some things never change, good to see the dynamic interactions between Tomoya and Fukko is still the same:heh:

[TenkenXD]

It wasn't that big of a glow, it's a pretty small orb so it shouldn't be seen much on a sunny day.

you know how tomoya was revealed to be the only one to see it? Perhaps his daughter inherited it (duh)? Plus I think Tomoya and now Ushio can only see the light orbs when OTHER people are happy (like yukine's visit to her brother's grave)

[Proto]

People, we have not one, but two speculations threads right on this forum. Would you mind redirecting all your speculation necessities over there? :)

[kk2extreme]

i almost forgot the high musical score in the beginning, could not remember the song's name, but i know it is by lia :heh:

[Rice_slayer]

Good Episode, But I read a little farther into what the next episodes andI am now incredibly depressed about it.

Oh well, I'll pretend I didnt read what I did and continue on with the series. But wow, Fuuko is too funny!!!

[MeoTwister5]

The best moment is, obviously, reconciliation.

A tired, completely ragged father's life of penance finally over.

The second best moment in this episode for me was when Tomoya manned it up, greeted the gossiping mothers and introduced himself as Ushio's father. Further more rather than make some excuse, he admitted to family troubles and how he now plans to take hold of his responsibilities as a father.

Third best was when Fuuko's theme song kicked in. I was actually expecting Tomoya to stick some random object up her nose when she went into Starfish mode.

Fourth best was the Dango, the futon and the smell.

[Rice_slayer]

The best moment in this episode for me was when Tomoya manned it up, greeted the gossiping mothers and introduced himself as Ushio's father. Further more rather than make some excuse, he admitted to family troubles and how he now plans to take hold of his responsibilities as a father.

Lol that moment made me laugh sooo much. He was like "F*** you guys and your gossip". Made them feel pretty small there. Tomoya is my hero for that!

[MeoTwister5]

Except I sort of modified the post.:p

I should probably tell people to start counting the light orbs at the title screen, also take into consideration why Ushio noticed them. To say anything more is a major spoiler, but it's important.:D

[Rice_slayer]

Title screen? Can you post a pic for me in spoiler tags?

[cbatty]

Except I sort of modified the post.:p

I should probably tell people to start counting the light orbs at the title screen, also take into consideration why Ushio noticed them. To say anything more is a major spoiler, but it's important.:D

Hey yeah - I never noticed that before... I assume the light orb Tomoya received this week makes the new one we see on the title screen? I also assume one is received when a major part of Tomoya's story is brought to a satisfying conclusion. One more assumption (three to make a set) - they may be the same orbs we see in the illusionary world?

Thanks for the heads up Meo :) I wont assume any more this week.

Third best was when Fuuko's theme song kicked in. I was actually expecting Tomoya to stick some random object up her nose when she went into Starfish mode.
.

Yeah I was hoping for that too... still it was a fantastic scene. I love that theme song... one of my favourites from the OST. I was so happy to see Fuu-chan back!

[Isekaijin]

Yay, Fuu-chan is back. But since neither of them remembers the time spent together, the reunion seemed a little... empty maybe? Half of me wanted Fuuko to call Okazaki a weird person, like the good ol' times.

But Fuuko is taking a bit too well waking up after... how many years were again? 7 years I think, No matter what an airhead she is, she should be a little more shocked... But then again is her we are talking about here... hmmm

Now Tomoya has a happy life again, with her daughter, and no remorses in his heart. I really like good endings.

Guess next chapter will be something like an epilogue. Indeed this was good, really good.

[Jimmy C]

A few things about Fuuko at this point. She's been awake for a while already, days or weeks. She got whacked shortly after starting high school, so she was comatose for 9 years. Though she should be around 16 mentally, she's acting like she's 8 in the scene.

[Shiroth]

A few things about Fuuko at this point. She's been awake for a while already, days or weeks. She got whacked shortly after starting high school, so she was comatose for 9 years. Though she should be around 16 mentally, she's acting like she's 8 in the scene.
Don't know if you remember, though she was acting like an 8 year old in the first season. :heh:

[Kinny Riddle]

A few things about Fuuko at this point. She's been awake for a while already, days or weeks. She got whacked shortly after starting high school, so she was comatose for 9 years. Though she should be around 16 mentally, she's acting like she's 8 in the scene.
It's already been mentioned that she's a bit eccentric even before she started high school back in the first series. And with the long time during her coma, she's not had much opportunity to mature.

That said, if you love Fuuko, you would wish her well and hope she grows up quickly, no? :cool:
Like her sister, at least she's blessed with eternal youthfulness, so she's got time on her side. Probably runs in the family. :heh:

[Jimmy C]

A plus point, Fuuko looks so young that, if they simply put her back into first year at a high school, the other students might think she's a grade-skipper instead.

[Ushio]

Finally watched this episode subbed. Ushio is just too cute. And I love the Fuuko scene, although my friend doesn't agree.

Lily: Guess who comes back in this episode?
Lily: ;w; Fuuko!
Dan!: Why can't she stay dead?
Lily: :(

[Ithekro]

Another person who thought she was dead/a ghost....sigh.
And she isn't even in a coma this time projecting herself someplace....

[Reckoner]

Oh god, I thought I would not ever have to seek Fuko's ugly face ever again. She's back :rolleyes:. Well despite the displeasure with her return, the episode still earns an 8/10 from me.

[Ithekro]

Well with all the crying going on the last several episodes, I think the injection of Fuuko into the mix for that little bit of comic relief was almost overdue.

[Shiroth]

Like her sister, at least she's blessed with eternal youthfulness, so she's got time on her side. Probably runs in the family. :heh:
You mean she must be a Key character. :p

[sbg711]

maybe I missed it while surfing this thread, but does anyone have any thoughts about the mysterious new teacher which, as Ushio described: "is beautiful and has long hair?"
I kinda have my own expectations on this one xP

[kenecix]

maybe I missed it while surfing this thread, but does anyone have any thoughts about the mysterious new teacher which, as Ushio described: "is beautiful and has long hair?"
I kinda have my own expectations on this one xP

Erm its obvious already :)

Anyway new episode is going to be a happy one :D

And Fuuko!!!!

[Wafflemania]

when kouko was all like "she's here with me now" i got all happy and was like OMFG YAY~

Do you think fuuko remembered tomoya and/or vise versa, or just like a not-so-first meeting for them?

Ushio is kyuute~ :D

[Jiggy]

I'll be honest, at least 75% of the reason I kept watching through the 33 episodes after Fuko's disappearance was to wait for her come back again and see what she'd do. (The rest of the reason was a mishmash of Youhei's consistent greatness and the arcs of Mei, Misae, and Yukine.)

+10 for her return, but -3 for only getting about two minutes of screentime, so 7/10. :P

[Shiroth]

Do you think fuuko remembered tomoya and/or vise versa, or just like a not-so-first meeting for them?
The Fuuko we knew in the first season and the Fuuko we see in this episode are not the same, so i don't see why she'd remember Tomoya. Tomoya remembers her --- his facial expression tells the story. :p

[Ithekro]

It looks like Tomoya sort of remembers her. Its like a faded memory of something you are not sure you did. He did get right back into the swing of things though. I'd almost think Fuuko has a similar faded memory of Tomoya because of how quickly she got back into form after hugging Ushio...It would be like trying to remember a faded dream for her though...plus Tomoya is her enemy after all....:p

Also Fuuko projects the audiance reaction to Ushio these last few episodes.

[Proto]

Oh c'mon, despite it being obvious for some there are still some people who can still enjoy ........ No need to actually go and mentioning it every 3 or 4 posts.

[SkoolRumble4Ya]

This episode made me happy because I was feeling down on friday.

[Nosauz]

ya, totally agree with proto, if you know who the teacher is stfu, even though I knew who it was, it still would have been nice to reaffirm what I already knew and not have it spammed on the disscusion of this current episode, whereas the identity of the teacher has little to no effect on what happened this episode. plus it would be nice to have a small surprise when next week rolls around. Talk about the episode and not the teacher please, if people don't know then they will be pleasantly suprised and those who do know don't need to stroke their epeens and ruin the suprise for everyone that doesn't already know

[SaintessHeart]

Kyou brings Botan to kindergarten? LOL I bet she probably made it do the 8 special tricks (doll!) to amuse the kids.

I was half-expecting Ushio to reply, "TSUNDERE!" when Tomoya asked about the kindergarten teacher.

And hurrah for Starfish-chan! She is baaaaccccckkkk.

[Shiroth]

It's a small world after all.

[Noe]

I didn't find Fuuko returning to be significant.
The ending though...really made me qq. Loved it.

[SaintessHeart]

This episode is pretty balanced in terms of humour and emotion-heavy scenes. I was laughing my head off at Starfish-chan's return and despite being 24, she acts like a 16-year-old and has star bubbles of delight! Cute!

It is just about the saddest scene in this episode when Naoyuki leaves Tomoya. 15 years of raising his son alone, and he finally can rest from all the legal and illegal attempts at making money.

And that "Shiawase no Hikari" (light of happiness) is just epic.

I simply can't fathom how many real life events did the storyboard designers pool in to make this entire series so human.

[Freya]

Omg. I need to stop watching Clannad. Past 3 episodes have like made me cried. ><

Roflmao @ Fuko. Best moment of the episode. Woot!!

I actually didn't watch eps like 14-25 or so of the 1st season. So can you guys tell me what happened at the end with Fuko? Like everyone started to forget who she was and yeah.

[Sheba]

Hint lies in the OP animation.

[KaneDragon]

Hint lies in the OP animation.
It's a very nice OP, too. Odd how many people don't seem to watch it. :confused:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9931/ep17543.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep17543.jpg)

[Dextro]

It's a very nice OP, too. Odd how many people don't seem to watch it. :confused:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9931/ep17543.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep17543.jpg)

It's just so painfull with Nagisa there... :'(

[Shiroth]

I actually didn't watch eps like 14-25 or so of the 1st season. So can you guys tell me what happened at the end with Fuko? Like everyone started to forget who she was and yeah.
You're watching CLANNAD ~After Story~ without having seen most of the first series? Why?

You're missing out on a big chunk of the story.

[Leo_Otaku]

^ I agree alot of the character's stories are what makes up a giant piece of the story. I can't really say much more but the general theme of family is prevailent in their stories. Also the build up to the story this far is from those past episodes.

[Ithekro]

Ushio's description of her teacher is rather limited (long hair, beautiful, and kind). In story there are about four girls that would qualify as that we've seen, and we are assuming that Tomoya has met this person before. (Yukine, Kotomi, Tomoyo, and Kyou fit the long hair description, and we saw Fuuko so she is ruled out for a lot of reasons).

The drawing that Ushio makes one the otherhand...well at first I was thinking it was a very poorly drawn dango, but then thought more about it. (The japanese characters she wrote around it I imagine indicate a sound. My thoughts is it is "puhi", but since I can't read Japanese, I've no other hint).

Lastly is backstory from Clannad itself...in a first season episode I believe several characters discussed what they wanted to do after high school.

[DragoZERO]

Wow.. good episode. It took me this long to actually put a couple of tissues on my computer desk. Luckily I don't think we'll be needing them much anymore. I enjoyed the nice surprises like with Fuko and Tomoya standing up to those snide mothers. I gave another 10/10.

Well with all the crying going on the last several episodes, I think the injection of Fuuko into the mix for that little bit of comic relief was almost overdue.
Yes. Fuko was awesome. I love her character - makes for so much comedy especially with Tomoya's quips.

Omg. I need to stop watching Clannad. Past 3 episodes have like made me cried. ><

Roflmao @ Fuko. Best moment of the episode. Woot!!

I actually didn't watch eps like 14-25 or so of the 1st season. So can you guys tell me what happened at the end with Fuko? Like everyone started to forget who she was and yeah.

And how do you guys no its Kyou??? Novel?
You should never watch season two before finishing one. Go back and finish it ASAP.

[KaneDragon]

Ushio's description of her teacher is rather limited (long hair, beautiful, and kind). In story there are about four girls that would qualify as that we've seen, and we are assuming that Tomoya has met this person before. (Yukine, Kotomi, Tomoyo, and Kyou fit the long hair description, and we saw Fuuko so she is ruled out for a lot of reasons).

The drawing that Ushio makes one the otherhand...well at first I was thinking it was a very poorly drawn dango, but then thought more about it. (The japanese characters she wrote around it I imagine indicate a sound. My thoughts is it is "puhi", but since I can't read Japanese, I've no other hint).

Lastly is backstory from Clannad itself...in a first season episode I believe several characters discussed what they wanted to do after high school.
I did not recognize Ushio's drawing as Botan at all, and I still have a hard time after being told so here. :heh: If you're going to list the evidence, you really ought to put the OP first. That's all it took for me,
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7286/snapshot20090221153716.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20090221153716.jpg)
with s1ep17 just explaining the why.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9931/ep17543.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep17543.jpg)

[monir]

Folks, if you are an anime-only viewer who is going to speculate, then its best to do as such in the correct thread. As you can tell from few responses a lot of viewers don't religiously watch Clannad or its opening. So, certain aspect of the shows can still provide jolt to a few viewers, that is if you can manage to contain yourself and let it out in the correct threads such as Clannad - Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=55256). Please be considerate.

Thank you.

[IRJustman]

I did not recognize Ushio's drawing as Botan at all, and I still have a hard time after being told so here.

Remember, Botan is a boar. What's one prominent feature boars have when they're fully grown as Botan presumably is now? Then go look again and you might see what I mean.

--Ian.

[IRJustman]

Folks, if you are an anime-only viewer who is going to speculate, then its best to do as such in the correct thread. As you can tell from few responses a lot of viewers don't religiously watch Clannad or its opening. So, certain aspect of the shows can still provide jolt to a few viewers, that is if you can manage to contain yourself and let it out in the correct threads such as Clannad - Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=55256). Please be considerate.

Thank you.

First of all, pardon the double-post.

Since our fansubbing effort also happens to include work with the visual novel itself, you may wish to be careful about what you say.

That said, I often learn about future story events well before they ever happen, so I can be on my guard as editor. If I ever see ANYTHING that resembles any future events I hear described during my duties as editor, I will report them. As monir stated, there is a thread designated specifically for speculation by first-time viewers. There are also threads for veteran gamers and others. Please use them. That's what they're there for.

We want people to enjoy the show as much as we enjoy subbing them for you. As such, we will be watching--and reporting if necessary.

Thank you.

--Ian.

[Nochgo]

Hehe, and here I thought it was pretty clear that the drawing was botan. Anyhow, I guess Kyou will get some screentime next episode! :D
And FUKO!!! Ahh it was such a great surprised because I didn't think she would come back at all. It was so cute how she snuggled Ushio and the return of starbubbles. But jeez, looking like that at age 24... her boyfriend would surely be mistaken as a pedophile ^^;

The scene with Tomoya and his dad was really touching too. Maybe its because of the tearfest Clannad brought to many of us again and again, but I ended up tearing at that scene too. Its like, I'll start to tear up at any emotional scene Clannad unleashes on me now. It must be the Clannaenza

[Sorrow-K]

I can't think of any other example of a character development in a male lead in this genre that even comes close to the incredibly profound character development of Okazaki Tomoya. This sets a bar, IMO, for male lead characters in this type of role (an Achilles' heel of too many other anime in this genre), and that bar is seriously high.

[passin'gass]

Good Episode, But I read a little farther into what the next episodes andI am now incredibly depressed about it.

Seriously?:upset:
/moves another box of tissue beside the keyboard

Guys, please see my questions in the (non-gamer) speculation thread, the mod gods are too almighty in this thread:D, it might get banished;)

[Myssa Rei]

I can't think of any other example of a character development in a male lead in this genre that even comes close to the incredibly profound character development of Okazaki Tomoya. This sets a bar, IMO, for male lead characters in this type of role (an Achilles' heel of too many other anime in this genre), and that bar is seriously high.

The reason being, well, few if ANY Renai game adaptations explore the relationship formed between the guy and his girl after the 'acceptance'. Usually after the girl says 'yes', the story ends (in one way or another). Also, I don't think many Renai game producers (or LoveCom writers) have the courage to do so.

The thing is, in real life, the journey actually begins AFTER you and your love one pair up. And it only gets more interesting from there.

[DragoZERO]

I can't think of any other example of a character development in a male lead in this genre that even comes close to the incredibly profound character development of Okazaki Tomoya. This sets a bar, IMO, for male lead characters in this type of role (an Achilles' heel of too many other anime in this genre), and that bar is seriously high.
Now that you mention it.. he has progressed a tremendous amount. It may be due to the tremendous amounts of time this series has taken place over, but it is notable none the less.

And people (*cough*passin'gass-this-time*cough*).. spoiler tags.. please!

[Rice_slayer]

Seriously?:upset:
/moves another box of tissue beside the keyboard

Guys, please see my questions in the (non-gamer) speculation thread, the mod gods are too almighty in this thread:D, it might get banished;)
Yea, Trigger happy mods will kill me if I say more. I went back and watched the Fuuko part, Tomoya putting his hand on fuukos head was probably the best thing to watch ever!

[kk2extreme]

tomoya forgets to buy milk for fuko :D

[zzeroparticle]

Wow... everything was really well-put together. I'm just amazed at this show's ability to draw forth my emotions by hitting all the right spots. You just couldn't have presented it in any other way so that it'd have the same kind of impact.

Also, gotta agree with all the comments about Tomoya being one of the best developed male characters to date. His life has gone through cycles of ups and downs but he learns from those experiences and matures to become a better person. Watching the way he dealt with his father was really touching and it takes a very mature personality to approach it like the way he did without the pettiness that would have marked his earlier years. It's so good to see how his hairpin temper has mellowed out and how he's become a better person over all.

Profound and touching, that's pretty much why I love this series so much.

(Bonus for Fuko not being annoying this time!)

[Mei19]

Painful. Just painful to watch. It makes me want to bawl. 3.3 The drama is too much for me.

What's the significance of the orbs?

[Ottocycle]

What's the significance of the orbs?
All you have to do is to keep watching to find out.

[Mecha_Trueno]

I was half-expecting Ushio to reply, "TSUNDERE!" when Tomoya asked about the kindergarten teacher.I knew she won't say that, but I was SO hoping she would:D

[typhonsentra]

Painful. Just painful to watch. It makes me want to bawl. 3.3 The drama is too much for me.

What's the significance of the orbs?

You could go back to the episodes where they explain them (The one about the and and the cat-human) but you should probably just avoid them and go with the flow. Given what they said the light orbs are, this show is probably going to get really stupid soon.

[Proto]

My, someone forgot what was the genre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_realism) that KEY has done since its inception :p

[Snooker]

Painful. Just painful to watch. It makes me want to bawl. 3.3 The drama is too much for me.

What's the significance of the orbs?

So why you must torture yourself until now:confused:???? If you don't like it
,you should drop it since first EP.

[Proto]

It is a good reaction nevertheless. Whether it is anger, wanting to cry, happiness, sadness or anything, as long as a show manages to move you it is doing its work. It is only when you only get indifference that you know something is wrong.

[Sephon]

Just started following this series again after a few months pause, and I did indeed catch up fast. My face is itching from all the sniveling and tears streaming down my face.
This series surely are just aiming that gatling gun on all the heartstrings.

I feel like a sissy little girl, but sometimes that's good too ;)

[Aizu]

Oh, yes ! Welcome back,
Fuuko.
Great episode. And the end of father's arc. Now only 3 episodes left.

8 out of 10 : Very Good.

[Solafighter]

A kindergarden teacher with long hair... Kyon perhaps? If im not mistaken, she said, she wanted to be a kindergarden teacher, or? :confused:

[Vegard Aune]

Now only 3 episodes left.
Umm, 3? Didn't they always say that the series would have 24 episodes? Granted, the first season technically had 22 episodes + 2 bonus-episodes, but is there any particular reason to assume that this season will be like that too?

...Though in a way, 3 episodes does make more sense, as I can't help but wonder how there can possibly be enough material left to cover for 5 more episodes...

[Sheba]

My, someone forgot what was the genre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_realism) that KEY has done since its inception :p

Oh right, the genre I have been introduced to through my spanish classes and Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

[Proto]

Unlike the previous season, we didn't skip two episodes, but just one during Christmas break, so at least broadcast time wise we have time for 24 episodes.

[Aizu]

But we already know titles for some next episodes (till 21). And that means that 22 episode should be the last one. At least, last episode in the main story. But, you know, I've got an idea. The really can fit the story about the last orb (no spoilers here) after you know what episode and then show us the final. It will be easy and logical too.
Didn't they always say that the series would have 24 episodes?
24 episodes is a standart, but isn't a rule.

[Ruhisu]

Fuu-chan was great when she spotted Ushio-chan :D. The last time I've saw her expression was soo long ago XD

[motaku96]

The return of Fuuka!!!

I still can't get over how cute Ushio is.

Looks like Kyou(and possibly Ryou) might make an appearance soon.

Oh yeah and it looks like they might go for a super happy ending. If the lights work, he might get his wish.

[DragoZERO]

Fuu-chan was great when she spotted Ushio-chan :D. The last time I've saw her expression was soo long ago XD
Yeah, it really was. Her hugging and all. Fuko is win on so many levels.

[Dop]

Good in so many ways, but the part where Akio told Sanae that she hadn't cried for five years but it was OK to cry now was just wonderful as well as showing what a fantastic character he is.

[Myssa Rei]

In hindsight, it seems that Sanae was strict with Ushio (in telling her that she could only cry in two places) because she herself was holding back the waterworks.

[Justin Kim]

Good in so many ways, but the part where Akio told Sanae that she hadn't cried for five years but it was OK to cry now was just wonderful as well as showing what a fantastic character he is.
Agreed, it truly represented Sanae's strength, and her will to hold on to life. The gift being Ushio. Akio is truly a representation of strength, and the pair make a great couple - the meaning of family is revealed here, and they are evidently aware of how a generation will never be the same. Just truly entertaining, fantastical individualistic emotions, and a great portrayal of the theamatic scenarios in which the viewer is induced into a series of their own emotions. ;)

[Guardian Enzo]

Well, good Clannad was back again this week - the big emo moments were handled with a light touch, as they were in 17. I must confess, my barriers finally broke down and I teared up a little - not at Sanae's emotional dam breaking, but Tomoya's interaction with his father. That had been such a long time coming and it was handled just right - the man old before his time, seemingly barely alive. An unavoidable reminder for Tomoya of the toll life had taken on his father. The silently moving tenderness of Tomoya bathing with his father, with Ushio watching. And they never reached for the easy salve to make it easy on the audience - there was no miracle rejuvenation for the old man, and not even a hug at the end. Just tears of regret for a lifetime of pain that could never be erased, no matter how good one's intentions might be.

[Leo_Otaku]

Same problems as always but I have to give it a few points to express how happy I am that Fuko's finally back.

On the other hand the whole light orb thing is back, ugh......

I really beginning to think that you perfer comedy to drama. Which is to why you can not fully apperciate this show and story. How about we don't complain until we know what we are complaining about :heh:

I'm hoping they will do all 24 for tv, I can not wait for DVD releases and it wouldn't really make too much sense depending on the story. Depending on what will go on in the next few should let us know.

[Freya]

Eh fine. I'll finish Season 1 rofl. I fail lol.

Ierno when I started 2nd season it didn't seem like I missed much.

[Wandering_Youth]

I actually found the earlier episodes of the second season rather boring and so I stopped watching it. I recently decided to start watching it again and all I have to say is...WOW!

Looking back at the first season and seeing how everything is now in episode 19. Dang, things have totally changed. I always knew there was some tragic event that was going to happen in this anime since it's a trend with KEY's animations. It still was heart jerking seeing what happened to Nagisa...*sniff*. As they say, when one hit's rock bottom there's nothing left but to go up so I really looked forward to the last few episodes of the second season. They better make a happy ending after all that tragedy that has happened or I'm really going to feel down when this anime is over.

[Justin Kim]

I actually found the earlier episodes of the second season rather boring and so I stopped watching it. I recently decided to start watching it again and all I have to say is...WOW!

Looking back at the first season and seeing how everything is now in episode 19. Dang, things have totally changed. I always knew there was some tragic event that was going to happen in this anime since it's a trend with KEY's animations. It still was heart jerking seeing what happened to Nagisa...*sniff*. As they say, when one hit's rock bottom there's nothing left but to go up so I really looked forward to the last few episodes of the second season. They better make a happy ending after all that tragedy that has happened or I'm really going to feel down when this anime is over.

Well Key is being very climatic about it. It's just to get the whole portrayal of the anime out right towards audiences. Lol, the beauty of Clannad After Story is you can't really tell what each character exactly is thinking. It pertains to a more mysterious sense. :p

[Sinestra]

Seeing Fuku recovered and awake really put into perspective for me how time has passed. Her reaction to Ushio was classic Fuku so was her reaction to Tomoya. Its nice how everyone sees Nagisa in Ushio they really do look alike.

The scene with Tomoya's dad was kind of sad seeing a man that broken anyone would be sad. But in the end going back to the country is the best thing for him to recover his mental health. Ushio looked very confused by the whole situation but shes only five so its expected but she did understand her daddy crying and thats all it takes.

Ushio sleeping with the big dongo family is was nice and the things that remind her of her mother are surrounding her. Tomoya making changes as well i was happy to see how he handled the situation with the talkative gossipy wives. He is going to have it hard being a single dad but i think he has what it takes now to do it and not end up mentally broken like his father.

Sanae-san had not cried in 5 years what a strong women she is. Hearing her finally break down was the final blow to Nagisa's passing on but Sanae needed it and Akiko was there for them. No parent should ever have to outlive their own child and highly doubt they will have another child.

good episode things are wrapping up well. As much as Ushio looks like Nagisa i sense some of Tomoya's personality in her i think shes going to be a popular one. I do hope they spend time at the Fukuwara house as im sure Akiko and Sanae will get lonely but Tomoya spends a lot of time there anyway and Ushio loves her grandparents very much

[DragoZERO]

...Its nice how everyone sees Nagisa in Ushio they really do look alike...
That's a bitter sweet feeling for me. It makes me sad that she's gone but you have her daughter who is exactly like her. :(

[-Sho-]

Just watch this episode :

Another perfect episode for me oh god !
Ushio and Tomoya are cute together ! Sanae cry ...
Glad to see Fu-chan :) it was hilarious ^^
Tomoya finally did it with his father !! so great !
A lot of emotions . Ushio saw a light , well dunno what is it but it related with Tomoya .
Sunohara and the others miss me , what they becomes now ^^

[Wandering_Youth]

That's a bitter sweet feeling for me. It makes me sad that she's gone but you have her daughter who is exactly like her. :(

That's good but I hope she's not exactly like mom because then history might repeat itself. That's not good.

[CCLemon]

What irked me slightly about this episode was how one-sided and wrongly focused the exchange between Tomoya and his father was. First of all, the scene was a huge reconciliation between father and son, yet while Tomoya does all the apologizing and ranting, the only responses his father gave were barely longer than two words. Granted, he was a tired man, but I refuse to believe that he did not hold an extremely guilty conscience at the fighting incident and the subsequent estrangement between the two of them, as well as Tomoya's hostility to him. Yet, he does not address his guilty conscience at all and apologize in turn, simply nodding his head and accepting Tomoya's heartfelt apologies, which leads me to my second point. A large portion of Tomoya's voiced complaints against his father were that, "YOU TREAT ME LIKE A STRANGER!", yet, this is nearly completely ignored when he reunites with his father. I'm sure it is IMPLIED that they treat each other like father and son again after they reunite, but we ( as well as Tomoya ) are still not given any explanation for why his father decided to distance himself from him after injuring Tomoya. Cue Tomoya thinking, "Wait, WHY did I hate my father again? He was like, great, and all, so what pissed me off so badly, I can't recall..."

[Justin Kim]

I just kind of wonder why Ushio doesn't really share any similar facial characteristics as Tomoya. I wonder if Key did that as a visual symbolic representation that Nagisa is still accountable in Ushio's face, that way Tomoya doesn't lost his "cool," when he is able to see Nagisa in Ushio. Unless Ushio has some speculative mental thought processes that seem akin to Tomoya.

[MaxGav]

What irked me slightly about this episode was how one-sided and wrongly focused the exchange between Tomoya and his father was. First of all, the scene was a huge reconciliation between father and son, yet while Tomoya does all the apologizing and ranting, the only responses his father gave were barely longer than two words. Granted, he was a tired man, but I refuse to believe that he did not hold an extremely guilty conscience at the fighting incident and the subsequent estrangement between the two of them, as well as Tomoya's hostility to him. Yet, he does not address his guilty conscience at all and apologize in turn, simply nodding his head and accepting Tomoya's heartfelt apologies, which leads me to my second point. A large portion of Tomoya's voiced complaints against his father were that, "YOU TREAT ME LIKE A STRANGER!", yet, this is nearly completely ignored when he reunites with his father. I'm sure it is IMPLIED that they treat each other like father and son again after they reunite, but we ( as well as Tomoya ) are still not given any explanation for why his father decided to distance himself from him after injuring Tomoya. Cue Tomoya thinking, "Wait, WHY did I hate my father again? He was like, great, and all, so what pissed me off so badly, I can't recall..."

Tomoya just undestood that he was much more terrible father, so he can't blame father.

[Nosauz]

Its not really that, his father is a broken man, a man who has sacrificed everything for his son. Even though what he sacrificed was not enough to bring Tomoya happiness. At the end his father really isn't anything more than a husk. This isn't really about mutual reconcilliation but more of a moment for Tomoya to come to terms to who he is. If he had not forgiven his father, he would have never realized the loneliness ushio felt, and thus never been able to be a good father to Ushio. The episode wasn't about Naoyuki accepting an apology, it was about Tomoya resolving the issues between his father and him, within himself, thats why he obtains the light orb and not Naoyuki. Even though its considered Naoyuki's arc. This could also imply that people who can see orbs can't see their own happiness orbs which kind of makes sense in this fantasy world.

[SaintessHeart]

His father is just a man who has lost everything but his son. Kinda feel sad for his father and somehow worries me that my own might end up this way (screwed up high school, got into trouble in the military, has a set of police records, absolutely no social skills. Too bad there is nobody like Nagisa for me).

At least his investment finally paid off after 25 years. I was rewatching S1 from Eclipse as I am posting now, and Fuko's arc really made me laugh like mad. Her "dame desu!" and making Nagisa and Tomoya call each other intimately is so sweet.

I wish there is another side story for Starfish-chan like Tomoyo After. It would just be the cutest thing ever since Kyou met Kotomi (It is yuri but still cute).

[Justin Kim]

What irked me slightly about this episode was how one-sided and wrongly focused the exchange between Tomoya and his father was. First of all, the scene was a huge reconciliation between father and son, yet while Tomoya does all the apologizing and ranting, the only responses his father gave were barely longer than two words. Granted, he was a tired man, but I refuse to believe that he did not hold an extremely guilty conscience at the fighting incident and the subsequent estrangement between the two of them, as well as Tomoya's hostility to him. Yet, he does not address his guilty conscience at all and apologize in turn, simply nodding his head and accepting Tomoya's heartfelt apologies, which leads me to my second point. A large portion of Tomoya's voiced complaints against his father were that, "YOU TREAT ME LIKE A STRANGER!", yet, this is nearly completely ignored when he reunites with his father. I'm sure it is IMPLIED that they treat each other like father and son again after they reunite, but we ( as well as Tomoya ) are still not given any explanation for why his father decided to distance himself from him after injuring Tomoya. Cue Tomoya thinking, "Wait, WHY did I hate my father again? He was like, great, and all, so what pissed me off so badly, I can't recall..."

I think you kind of missed the main point Key was trying to imply. Although his father still remains a desolate figure while Tomoya is pretty much forgiving him to be such a tenacious son to raise, you must also be aware of the symbolic events that are occuring throughout this masterful scene. Tomoya's father opened his eyes, signifying a new view open his lifestyle. It was more like, Tomoya's father had awakened from his deep slumber with the aid of his son coming to that realization that he has done "more than enough with this ungrateful child." Another point arouses when Tomoya initially starts crying - pay more attention to the flashback, and then how Tomoya's father tries to comfort Tomoya. That's all I can say, the rest I can't spoil for those whom are reading this forum. It's just a matter of how you interpret things to your fullest. But just always recall everyone's different family situations. Your wrong, terribly wrong on why Tomoya's father tried to distance himself from Tomoya. Think about the beliefs of his son, during his father's recession period after his wife had died. You need to watch the previous episode again, and recall what his father's mother said about his life experience in raising Tomoya.

[Nochgo]

I just kind of wonder why Ushio doesn't really share any similar facial characteristics as Tomoya. I wonder if Key did that as a visual symbolic representation that Nagisa is still accountable in Ushio's face, that way Tomoya doesn't lost his "cool," when he is able to see Nagisa in Ushio. Unless Ushio has some speculative mental thought processes that seem akin to Tomoya.


Well, at least Ushio doesn't have an ahoge unlike everyone in her family :rolleyes:
Anyhow, since Ushiis still a small child, and if she had any features of Tomoya, that would make the cute factor go waaaay down, or at least, that's what I think since I can't even imagine how she would look with any of Tomoya's feature. Maybe you can draw me a picture of what Ushio with some Tomoya's feature can look like. :D

[destiny4everlove]

Episode 19

-Tomoya and Ushio entering the bakery holding hands was so touching!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif

- The scene of Tomoya and Ushio praying together in front of Nagisa’s altar was so moving!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-“Who do you think will win, Ushio? Akki!!” Ushio’s honesty was so adorable and funny in that scene. :heehee:

-Poor neighbor. :heh: I would love to have the Furukawas as neighbors but the only thing that would stop me from moving to their neighborhood is the broken windows. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/xD-075.GIF

-I was so happy that Tomoya hit the ball that Akio threw him really far away. :) I liked that scene very much, broken window and all. :smile:

-Loved this episode’s intro so very much!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/love-012.gif I loved every little detail of it, the song, the words, the meaning behind the actions, I loved everything about it!!

-The conversation between Akio and Sanae was so heartbreaking!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif Finding out that Sanae has not cried since the day Nagisa died and then seeing her letting it all out and crying with so much pain really broke my heart.

-I really loved how Akio and Sanae said Ushio was a godsend for them and that she had saved them, I had mentioned something about it before in one of my posts but it was nice to see it confirmed in this episode.

-It was great how they made the room immediately brighten as soon as Ushio came into the picture. It was a great way to represent what Ushio means in her grandparents' lives and what she would also mean in Tomoya’s life if he would let her.


-Awww…Nagisa’s picture!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif I so miss Nagisa!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif

-Fuko-chan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is back!!!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-023.gif

-So the effect that Nagisa had on Fuko when she hugged her (and vice versa) was also passed onto Ushio. :blush: But I do understand why Fuko-chan did that, if I had Ushio in front of me I would like to hug her too. :nod: Ushio is so adorable!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif

-Fuko-chan is the same age as Tomoya!! :twitch: I thought she was younger.

-Fuko making Ushio her little sister was so adorable!! :heehee::blush:

-The radio was broadcasting the results of a horse race…then I guess that means Tomoya’s dad was gambling on horse races. :(

-Seeing Tomoya’s dad so old and worn-out was so depressing.http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif It really made sad seeing him like that. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-019.gif

-Tomoya’s dad opened his eyes!!! :twitch: If I remember correctly, this is the first time I have seen the eyes of Tomoya’s dad.

-The scene of Tomoya bathing his dad was very moving. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif

-The good-bye conversation between Tomoya and his dad was so touchinghttp://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif, and I liked a lot, but I really wanted to see Tomoya hugging his dad, I think that would have been the perfect way to end that conversation.

-I’m so glad Tomoya finally made peace with his dad. :)

-Yay!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-023.gif The spheres of light are back!!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-021.gif Yay!! :hyper-^v^: I’m so glad to see more of them!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-096.gif

-So Tomoya is not the only one who can see the spheres of light, Ushio can see them too...http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-023.GIF

[Texas84]

Question: Did anyone watch the scenes from the next episode at the end? "Ushio, make sure to say goodbye to your mom on your way out." Uh, what? Are they referring to the picture?

[Proto]

Yep. It's a very common theme with half orphans in anime. Greeting the photo of their dead parent that is. Though its the first time I've seen where we actually got to know the person in the photo :'(

[Ithekro]

Just shows that Nagisa is always relevant, even if she is no more.

[DragoZERO]

Though its the first time I've seen where we actually got to know the person in the photo :'(http://img90.exs.cx/img90/2365/k1ocray.gif

[Ushio]

^ Ahaha, I thought that was a yellow face eating a pink slug.


One thing I didn't like about the opening was the Engrish. But, oh well. Still moved me. =o

[Justin Kim]

Well, at least Ushio doesn't have an ahoge unlike everyone in her family :rolleyes:
Anyhow, since Ushiis still a small child, and if she had any features of Tomoya, that would make the cute factor go waaaay down, or at least, that's what I think since I can't even imagine how she would look with any of Tomoya's feature. Maybe you can draw me a picture of what Ushio with some Tomoya's feature can look like. :D Oh, actually that's a great idea, let me pull out the sketchpad and brushes. Hmmm, your right lol I never paid attention to the actuality that she didn't have an ahoge like the rest of her family members. I don't think this will be that hard, just implement Tomoya's eyes, and kind of the same hairstyle. Wait...Ushio does kind of have the same back hair as Tomoya if I account. But really she does look definently like a clone, of Nagisa. I think the reason why she doesn't have an ahoge just yet is probably...maturation? lol:)

[cbatty]

Episode 19

-The scene of Tomoya bathing his dad was very moving.

Yeah - I agree. I really liked the role reversal in this scene. Tomoya taking care of his Dad when he need to be cared for, just like his Dad looking after Tomoya when he was a child.

The symmetry of this scene was really well done.

A question for the gamers out there, was this scene the same in the VN?

[DragoZERO]

I thought it was a little weird and disturbing, but coming from my culture it would be. The role reversal was the important part though.

[Tempester]

Well, at least Ushio doesn't have an ahoge unlike everyone in her family :rolleyes:

And I'm glad she doesn't; she looks like Nagisa enough as she is. The lack of cockroach antennae is the only saving grace in her 5-year-old character design.

Anyhow, since Ushiis still a small child, and if she had any features of Tomoya, that would make the cute factor go waaaay down, or at least, that's what I think since I can't even imagine how she would look with any of Tomoya's feature. Maybe you can draw me a picture of what Ushio with some Tomoya's feature can look like. :D

I kinda wish she had some physical features of Tomoya also. But later when she grows up she will look different from both of her parents. Just wait and see. :D

Yeah - I agree. I really liked the role reversal in this scene. Tomoya taking care of his Dad when he need to be cared for, just like his Dad looking after Tomoya when he was a child.

The symmetry of this scene was really well done.

A question for the gamers out there, was this scene the same in the VN?

I don't think so. From what I remember, in the VN, Tomoya meets his dad with Ushio and a touching conversation follows. Tomoya convinces his dad to go back to his own mother, then the screen fades and all as a short time skip, and we suddenly see Naoyuki saying bye-bye to Tomoya in a touching scene.

[Justin Kim]

LOL, let's do some Mendelian experimentation with Ushio. Tomoya + Nagisa = Hybrid cross = Ushio. There's bound to be an ahoge there somewhere later on lol.

[Ottocycle]

A question for the gamers out there, was this scene the same in the VN?
Well the scene wasn't shown, but for sure it was narrated. Tomoya was talking about how small his father's back seems now, as opposed to how big it was when he was a kid, also subtly shown in the animated version.

[Justin Kim]

:) Ahh the usual father - son relationship. I mean Tomoya would never know that without coming to the realization of his father's true nature. His emotions are expressed in Episode 18 - 19 after all, most emotions of pure guilt. But yes in nature, that was a heart - warming scene.

[Supergrunch]

LOL, let's do some Mendelian experimentation with Ushio. Tomoya + Nagisa = Hybrid cross = Ushio. There's bound to be an ahoge there somewhere later on lol.
The evidence would suggest ahoge is simple recessive, meaning that if Ushio had children with another ahoge bearer, half of them would have ahoge. And if she had children with someone else heterozygous for ahoge (in her case the result of a pure-breeding ahoge bearer and a homozygous non-ahoge bearer), half of them would have ahoge. Not that we have much evidence to go by.

Seriously though, it's because ahoge is a Furukawa trait, and much as she resembles Nagisa, Ushio is an Okazaki.

[chikorita157]

This episode is really good but not as emotional as episode 18... Fuko's appearance and reaction is unpredictable and hilarious. Also, this episode nearly made be cry towards the end of the episode when Tomoya finally made up with his father and tell him to rest... and of course, Ushio is just as adorable as the last few episodes.

My rating: 9.5/10

[Toffeerollx]

EGAD FUUKO!
And Ushio has grabbed my heart, co sute :3
loved this episode, few strings getting tied now ;3

[SamKajam]

I watched this episode before and didn't think too much of it, but since that time, I've realized what a great person my father was. Coincidentally I ended up watching this episode again and the interaction between Tomoya and his father actually brought tears out of me, but only because it reminded me of my relationship with my dad.

[Archon_Wing]

Signs of good story telling include multifaceted characters. It's impossible and undesirable for a show to go into every detail of each character's life so we often get characters displayed on a certain manner but like actual people there is more to what they seem to be. Tomoya's struggle with his dad has been a series long conflict with no easy answers. The series does nothing to hide the fact that Tomoya's dad is a broken, irresponsible, and pitiful man. But he wasn't a bad man, or at least he tried hard to be something else. Sometimes even when people fail, it really is the intention that matters. It's easy to judge people for what they do without really understanding the person. And as shown in Kotomi's story, sometimes time you have with the people around you is short and it can be too late to solve misunderstandings. So sometimes keeping in the bitterness is simply not worth it.

Internal struggle is a big part of Clannad. After all, when faced with events outside your control, the only thing you could really control is your own actions. Since the past is obviously outside of one's control, it's only right to work for the future. Tomoya's dad eventually lost this struggle, but if Tomoya succeeds then it wasn't all for nothing. This realization coming at a time when he has ignored his own daughter for so long as of extreme importance.