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Klashikari
2009-02-26, 12:01
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Vocal version of Shio, that's what I'm talkin' about!
Klashikari
2009-02-26, 12:11
That's what I call the best way to use "dango daikazoku"...
Best episode ever!!! ITsaaaaawwsome!
Tempester
2009-02-26, 18:54
That's what I call the best way to use "dango daikazoku"...
Dango Daikazoku? Where? When? How?
Augh, nooo, it was all happy before the ending. I hope she gets better. :(
A very lovely episode. The use of "Dango Daikazoku," was brilliant. The additions to canon
The "what if" imagery of them as a happy family with Nagisa. Ushio sneaking out during the day to go to that hospital. The conversation with Fuko on one of Ushio's strolls.
were all very well executed. It ended pretty much where I expected it to, as well, though to deny some minor pacing issues would be silly. Two more proper episodes left to go and a 9/10 for this one.
panzerfan
2009-02-26, 20:59
KyoAni seems to cut back a bit on the production budget for this episode, but the emotional impact of Dango Daikazoku is nicely done. I actually felt how stinging Nagisa's memories are for Tomoya during the climax of this episode.
Boton is now a full-fledged boar. I wonder if Kyou keeps her indoor when work is over.
LunarSun
2009-02-26, 21:08
very nice ep
something tells me that the hospital built on "that place" will play a bigger roll
Mecha_Trueno
2009-02-26, 21:12
:twitch:... Nabe Botan is HUGE!
They went full speed ahead with the vocals this time around huh? (+1 one for the use of Dango Daikazoku, -2 for the intrusive and mood breaker use of the second part chorus instead of the first part). Fortunately there was a good dose of Fuuko and Tomoya's tsukkomi's to break down the 'I'm trying too hard to be sad' moments, and it was nice to see the mature side of Fuuko once again, but I did got the feeling that they were trying to stretch the episode, even when I knew they weren't! Aw well, this was a bridge episode after all.
harukamae
2009-02-26, 21:57
LOL I didn't know it was legal to keep boar as pets at a kindergarten. I bet it keeps the students in line. :-D
I loved this episode, even though the whole thing with Fuuko bugs me. The fact that no one remembers her and vice-a-versa, I mean...
It was really neat to see how Kyou's become. But I teared up a few times this episode, especially when Dango Daikazoku played. I'm interested to see how things play out next episode.
panzerfan
2009-02-26, 22:08
Actually, shortly after finishing this episode, I decided to revisit the first episode of Clannad. It's strange how that variation of Nagisa ~farewell from the bottom of the hill seems to take on such emotion coming back to look at it. One can't help but to look back and think that perhaps Nagisa really was speaking to Tomoya when she declared how that nothing can stay unchanged...
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 01:50
A haiku on the end of the episode:
The Town gives its Gifts,
It dispenses Life and Joy
Gifts can be revoked.
Did she get sick at the end....?
Supergrunch
2009-02-27, 02:04
Did she get sick at the end....?
Yep. She came out and said she hadn't been able to go to the bathroom by herself, then collapsed and Tomoya felt her forehead and said she had a fever.
Nice episode anyway, albeit something of a bridge. As VRMN says, the non-canon stuff was cool.
patient_senses
2009-02-27, 02:35
I really liked how they showed Tomoya having flashbacks during these past few episodes (not really flaskBACKS this episode, but same thing). It makes it so beautiful and sad all at the same time. It shows that he's still grieving, only in a more positive way. When you lose someone you love like that, it's pretty difficult to just stop thinking about them one day and move on.
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 03:02
I found it funny how Ushio was reading the Tale of the Bamboo cutter, a.k.a. the Legend of Kaguya-hime. Isn't that a complex reading for a five-year old? Never mind the possible bad influence the main character (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan) might give her...
Yet another great episode. Anyhow, it was enjoyable and a nice change of pace, seeing alot of two past main characters: the still adorable Fuuko and... adult Kyou! With ponytail to boot. <3333. Now that, was great. And botan, now a full fledged hog! I'm surprised the parents aren't afraid to let their children go to a kindergarten with one. of it, no matter how friendly it seems. The tsukomi comedy between Tomoya and Fuuko was nice as well. Lol, Fuuko shouldn't be trusted with the world.
One thing I didn't like much was the sudden change in mood, between preparation for the sports festival and Ushio's illness. It was very lighthearted and then, suddenly the worry/tragedy. Maybe trying to convey 'anything can happen at any moment in life' kinda thing... Which I rather not see. I mean, its just too cruel to Tomoya and his family. I just hope Ushio doesn't have what Nagisa had. Wait, did Nagisa just have a weak body, and thus got sick easily? And the show never portrayed Ushio as being weak, so maybe not.
Supergrunch
2009-02-27, 04:22
One thing I didn't like much was the sudden change in mood, between preparation for the sports festival and Ushio's illness. It was very lighthearted and then, suddenly the worry/tragedy. Maybe trying to convey 'anything can happen at any moment in life' kinda thing... Which I rather not see. I mean, its just too cruel to Tomoya and his family. I just hope Ushio doesn't have what Nagisa had. Wait, did Nagisa just have a weak body, and thus got sick easily? And the show never portrayed Ushio as being weak, so maybe not.
I believe Nagisa had some chonic but unspecified "illness."
Tiberium Wolf
2009-02-27, 04:57
Nooooooooooooooo! What happened to you Botan???? You look freaking evil!!!
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 06:42
Subs are out, by the way.
panzerfan
2009-02-27, 06:45
@Myssa Rei (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=76903)
Well, the conventional Kaguya-hime of the myth I suppose, not the NEET Kaguya of Touhou lore. Ushio should be able to handle the reading, although somehow I keep putting Akki and Sanae in the place of the elderly couple when I think about it.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2449/nabe.th.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nabe.jpg)
@Tiberium Wolf (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=30903)
And I don't see Botan as an abomination at all. For a boar, Botan is actually very small! For a 5-6 years old boar to be this size... I am guessing that Botan's around 170pound/70kgish, stands shorter than Ushio at a height of maybe 2.5 feet/ 70ishcm and a length of 3-3.5ft/ 100-115cm? Kyou seems to keep Botan rather fit at that.
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 06:51
Kaguya ain't a NEET (ref. Cage of Lunatic Runagate), it's just a bad meme gotten out of control, haha.
Since the subs are out, is it safe now to talk about what happened in the episode?
Nooooooooooooooo! What happened to you Botan???? You look freaking evil!!!
Yeah. I thought he was a completely different boar.
Some really adorable scenes in this episode, like Tomoya's happy dango family dream and Ushio's thoughts on her Mother. That really got to me.
Fuuko was lol.
& Kyou is awesome again. I hope she plays a bigger part then just the teacher in the end of this.
This delivers is what i want to see, so another 10/10 from me.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-27, 07:55
Well Fuko's appearance in the later episode probably made up for the lack of her ninja events in the earlier part of this season.
And Kyou became less tsuntsun. Tomoya should have just told Ushio about what she would look if she is spinning a magic wand.
And Botan is HUUUGGGGEEEE. No more "puhi", but "gofu" instead. And LOL at kindergarten pet.
I believe Ushio's illness has got something to do with a dysfunctional immune system from birth. Sanae and Akio probably had the inactive genes which are activated when they gave birth to Nagisa, and passed onto Ushio as a result.
Seems like there isn't much left to spoil anymore, lol.
Great episode. I could tell that Kyoani was trying to buy a little bit of time with this episode to extend the plot a tiny bit, since they played two insert songs with flashbacks and stuff, but they did it in such a way that it was hard to notice.
I still think Kyou would be absolutely terrifying as a kindergarten teacher, and a teacher with a boar would be even scarier.
And Ushio goes on strolls on her own? She's 5, for God's sake... Didn't papa Tomoyo teach her that bad things could happen while taking a stroll? Meeting Fuuko, for instance.
Looking forward to next week. Can't believe I'm going to be on vacation the Friday of the last episode... Ug.
Also, was it this episode or last episode that they changed Tomoya's father's moonwalking self in the ED into the younger version?
Probably an 8/10 from me. It wasn't anything too special.
Mecha_Trueno
2009-02-27, 08:53
I still think Kyou would be absolutely terrifying as a kindergarten teacher, and a teacher with a boar would be even scarier.Look on the bright side. She might have taught the whole class how to use lambda drive dictionary......... or is that a bad thing:heh:
SaintessHeart
2009-02-27, 08:54
I still think Kyou would be absolutely terrifying as a kindergarten teacher, and a teacher with a boar would be even scarier.
You should be GLAD that she is not a NURSE like her twin. At least she is dealing with little children who have Kotomi's level of EQ and slow to understanding her mean jabs at other people.
And yes, she is terrifying. But she is less inclined towards her tsuntsun side and a little more patient than before.
But as we can see, there is still subtle fanservice of her in the anime. Her butt when she stood up from the bench to greet the child's mother. :p
And it seems that she is still in contact with Youhei. I wish they are engaged. Both are straightforward and good-hearted people, sure enough to make a good match.
Tiberium Wolf
2009-02-27, 08:57
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And I don't see Botan as an abomination at all. For a boar, Botan is actually very small! For a 5-6 years old boar to be this size... I am guessing that Botan's around 170pound/70kgish, stands shorter than Ushio at a height of maybe 2.5 feet/ 70ishcm and a length of 3-3.5ft/ 100-115cm? Kyou seems to keep Botan rather fit at that.
I meant that he lost his cool adorable factor.
Look on the bright side. She might have taught the whole class how to use lambda drive dictionary......... or is that a bad thing:heh:
She can teach them the laws of physics.
Dictionaries thrown will have an upwards projectory, as evident in episode 1.
Look on the bright side. She might have taught the whole class how to use lambda drive dictionary......... or is that a bad thing:heh:
For self defence purpose maybe not bad :x but they need her accuracy first :P
SaintessHeart
2009-02-27, 09:21
She can teach them the laws of physics.
Dictionaries thrown will have an upwards projectory, as evident in episode 1.
But due to air-resistance, her dictionary can curve towards the right. Is she a left hander?
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 09:23
And it seems that she is still in contact with Youhei. I wish they are engaged. Both are straightforward and good-hearted people, sure enough to make a good match.
Shipping is bad. The pairing you mentioned would make the world of CLANNAD implode. ;)
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 09:25
I believe Ushio's illness has got something to do with a dysfunctional immune system from birth. Sanae and Akio probably had the inactive genes which are activated when they gave birth to Nagisa, and passed onto Ushio as a result.
Or, *gasp*, the TOWN is out to teach Tomoya a lesson! Genius Loci much? ;)
Seriously though, Fuuko's antics combined with Ushio's cuteness is quite fearsome. I think it's quite sad though, that Fuuko doesn't remember Nagisa at all, despite almost being a best friend to her, nor does Tomoya remember Fuuko's misadventures.
And, holy crud, Ushio! Honey, wandering around the city unsupervised is DANGEROUS.
holy shit, I loved this episode, not just because my beloved kyou was in there all hot and bothered but also because usually I find fuuko antics boring and not always fun, this time I had a blast. I felt this weeks episode demonstrated a lot of the father daughter bond that has recently built up which is great. Akio v Tomoya stuff is always awesome. The only weak part, was probably the end of the episode, I think a better way of building suspense should of had the day of the event, showing the relay with two different home stretch runners, leaving the viewer to speculate as to what happened. It would be similar to the kyou suprise, which even though I knew was gonna happen, didn't make any less special.
panzerfan
2009-02-27, 09:48
Maybe it's for the best that Fuuko doesn't remember about Nagisa. If the two can recall the events of that segment, I don't think Fuuko would be all that energetic when she's with Ushio.
bladeofdarkness
2009-02-27, 10:04
the scene where tomoya sings to ushio... sniff
both of them falling asleep holding the dango pillow... sniff
damn you kyoani
i'm a 24 year old guy
im not suppose to cry like a little girl
True :D I'm 22 and I was also crying in this scene.
But I would like to say one ne thing.
Damn you kyouani! Don't you dare to do anything to Ushio!
It was great to see Kyou after a long time, I like her very much as a Fujibayashi sensei, however she was my favourite character in the past but now she got some more points from me :)
About Fuko....
Yep... she is a very normal alien indeed XD
Tempester
2009-02-27, 10:21
the scene where tomoya sings to ushio... sniff
both of them falling asleep holding the dango pillow... sniff
damn you kyoani
i'm a 24 year old guy
im not suppose to cry like a little girl
One must not defy manly tears (http://omaemo.dasaku.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/tomoyas-manly-tears.jpg).
jenthehen
2009-02-27, 10:43
What the heck ... I always watch Clannad: After Story on Fridays subbed on Megavideo ... WHERE IS IT?!?!
Where do you guys find this? It died from crunchyroll, veoh, and youtube D: ... where can I download this?
Yumii-chan
2009-02-27, 10:44
Very nice episode :) If I was Fuuko I would do the same thing to Ushio :p Soo cute..
Just 2 more episodes to go :( I'll prepare with Ben&Jerrys for next week and get ready to cry alot
Where do you guys find this? It died from crunchyroll, veoh, and youtube D: ... where can I download this?
There's this site called www.animesuki.com which hosts anime torrents. Maybe they can help you.
jenthehen
2009-02-27, 10:54
There's this site called www.animesuki.com which hosts anime torrents. Maybe they can help you.
Thank you :)
Ascaloth
2009-02-27, 11:41
Episode 20 article is up:
[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Episode 20 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1374)
It was a short foray back into the CLANNAD of Season 1. However, it was an idyllic moment that could not last. 8/10.
IRJustman
2009-02-27, 12:31
There's this site called www.animesuki.com which hosts anime torrents. Maybe they can help you.
Nooooooooo... A'suki doesn't host them; it signposts them. ;)
--Ian.
RandomFlameStrike
2009-02-27, 12:32
Oh wow that was halarious. I loved the Fuuko and Tomoya antics. The trousers part was especially funny since it demonstrated her odd thought processess. Also teach Kyou was a nice touch.
As for Nagisa's illness, I believe she was never diagonosed with a "chronic something". She just had a weak immume system and was prone to catching bad colds/fevers. Basically she just randomly got sick a lot.
Nooooooooo... A'suki doesn't host them; it signposts them. ;)
I'm in despair since my sarcasm was lost on everyone, so whatever :'(
Is the first insert song an anime original? I don't remember it from the visual novel.
Is the first insert song an anime original? I don't remember it from the visual novel.
Track title: "Ushio" (汐), from the Sorarado append album. It is also the vocal version of the music that plays during the sponsors thank you scene, which is also the music that played on the game's title scene.
Leo_Otaku
2009-02-27, 13:12
The dango daikazoku song was well placed I really enjoyed this episode however somethings were missing. I'm hoping they leave them in >.> Niceto notice some dropped hints from Fuko about after. I'm guessing it is a bit more norml to have kids run off alone there than here considering it is safer in Japan than say my neighbourhood.
Kinny Riddle
2009-02-27, 14:22
KYOU RETURNS! Tying her long hair into a ponytail just makes her prettier. :love:
And how Botan's grown, into excellent "nabe / hot-pot" ingredient, as Ushio would call him. :D
Tomoya's conversation with Kyou after so many years feels surreal. I can understand that feeling a bit, when you meet your old classmates who you used to fool around regularly, now we're speaking to each other as mature grown-ups, and looking back in the past with nostalgia.
Two great insert songs, the first one a vocal remix of the "Ushio" track (variation of the track you hear in the menu screen for the game, or during the announcement of sponsors for the anime), the second is of course Dango Daikazoku.
FUUKO RETURNS! Part 2
Fuuko absolutely steals the show, and she still hasn't lost the ability to make a great combo with Tomoya.
So many Fuuko goodness, including:
- Sanae's Starfish bread. Ushio must have inherited her resistance to those bread from her grandmother.
- Fuuko the "alien". Though Fuuko's warped-up logic led her to believe she's in the Planet of the Dangos. :heh:
- Nuclear tight-overalls. Enough said. :cool:
- Fuuko openly and shamelessly flirting with Tomoya. :heh: Even Kyou has the decency not to do that to avoid hurting Tomoya's feelings, but Fuuko's so eccentric she could practically get away with it.
As though pre-programmed, Ushio seems to have an affinity for Akio's "special place" which has now been converted into the hospital. Amazed a 5-year-old girl like her can wander alone without anyone noticing, even more amazed Tomoya didn't get arrested for gross negligence, leaving a child alone in her home. :cool: Anyway, I think I'll suspend my cynicism for the sake of artistic license. Good thing Ushio's a very good girl.
A very warm episode, however, that warmness is soon cruelly taken away at the end. Typical Key emotional tactic, but it works.
Dango Daikazoku was beautifully painful. Its already got me near the cry button, but to add the "could have been" Nagisa to it just pushes the button faster than Fuuko can launch nuclear warheads. It was probably a good thing to have Fuuko right after that...the humor helped even with Tomoya's rememberances and "could haves" (or perhaps "should haves").
My thoughts on the end credits would have been that they intended this for the DVDs where you really wouldn't see the credits until the final episode (or at least the end of the disk)...but the way episode 17's credits were done...sort of changes that view. One wonders what they are planning.
That was very nice and not so sad episode...
[snip]
"Cute Ushio ate a cute bread, and the cuteness squared in power!"
Ahahaha!
But...
Looking at the final scene... oh no no no! Not her too! I don't know how much more my heart can take... :(
I'm really hoping she's just got a fever and doesn't have Nagisa's illness. The episode title for next episode doesn't bode well for that though.
Ahhh what a splendidly happy change of pace. Lot's of light hearted moments in this episode, even some manly tears at some points, especially in the scene where Tomoya dreams of Nagisa and when Tomoya is telling Fuuku-chan about her. I guess that I am still mourning Nagisa's passing.
It is a shame that Fuuku or Tomoya don't remember their time together in High School. That said, if they did then the reminiscing about Nagasi would not have worked as well as it did.
Botan is huge - it is hard to think of him as the cute little ball of pig that he was in the first series. The Tomoya - Kyou - Ushio interactions were great.
As though pre-programmed, Ushio seems to have an affinity for Akio's "special place" which has now been converted into the hospital. Amazed a 5-year-old girl like her can wander alone without anyone noticing, even more amazed Tomoya didn't get arrested for gross negligence, leaving a child alone in her home. :cool: Anyway, I think I'll suspend my cynicism for the sake of artistic license. Good thing Ushio's a very good girl.
A very warm episode, however, that warmness is soon cruelly taken away at the end. Typical Key emotional tactic, but it works.
Yeah I don't think that Tomoya will be leaving Ushio alone again after what happened at the end of the episode.
So is there a consensus about how many episodes there are left?
There is, but we can't answer that question in this thread. Redirect your question to the Q&A thread and you'll get your answer :p
khryoleoz
2009-02-27, 16:59
Man, are they're gonna break our hearts again? If this is going the way of the game, the story better end with collecting all of them light orbs and getting the satisfactory results out of that.
Justin Kim
2009-02-27, 17:19
Nuh-oh no way, that did not just happen. I was watching it towards the end all happy and gleeful, and then reality struck me again. Tomoya better get his act together, and not chicken out on this one again due to his parental remniscing about Nagisa.
Isekaijin
2009-02-27, 17:22
Man, are they're gonna break our hearts again? If this is going the way of the game, the story better end with collecting all of them light orbs and getting the satisfactory results out of that.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't survive another Air.
And here I thought this one would be the last episode... Sigh. Those Key guys really like to make us cry. Are they bullying us?
Is nice to see Kyou again as the teacher, but the new Botan a.k.a. "Nabe" really freaked me out.
And Fuuko returned for more. Though is kinda sad neither her nor Tomoya remember those funny days in school, she is still being herself, and I couldn't ask for more. Horray for that twisted mind of hers.
Anyways, loved this episode. But next one seems to be another heartbreak for Tomoya, not to mention us.
P.D. OKAZAKI IS THE BEST!!! :cool: and what's with that empty look on his face?
Rice_slayer
2009-02-27, 17:23
Good episode, not looking forward to the next one judging by the title though :(.
Also, the reason WHY she doesnt remember is because it wasn't her, it was like her "spirit" to get people to go to her sister's wedding. Tomoya won't bring it up because he knows that this Fuuko ISNT the one he was with all that time.
Reckoner
2009-02-27, 18:28
Repetitive, too forced, I hate Fuko (Is it too much to ask for her to just get out of this series? Tomoyo pretty much has been), slowing down the pacing now when they could have used the slowed down pacing a couple of episodes ago, and just overall a very poor episode (4/10). Next episodes should be better thankfully. Too bad Ushio looks like she is going to get really sick like her mother with some unexplainable disease.
Clannad made me cry.
Again.
Wandering_Youth
2009-02-27, 19:39
A good episode overall. It was touching to see that Tomoya still loves Nagisa after all this time. Fuko's appearence in this episode doesn't really make it all that entertaining. I remember back in the first season where I was laughing tons whenever I saw Tomoya doing some weird pranks on Fuko when she's day dreaming. Those were awsome, however now Fuko's just kind of annoying.
The ending of the episode was not cool though, imo. Damnit, KEY quite jerking our heart strings! :bash: :sad:
Count me in as a Fu-chan fan. I miss Tomoya's interactions with all his old friends. The ending made me angry but I have to give it 10/10 just due to the emotional impact it all had on me. Beautiful episode. Honestly, I'll be glad when this is over. It's just too stressful having to wait an entire week between episodes. :upset:
Myssa Rei
2009-02-27, 19:56
Too bad Ushio looks like she is going to get really sick like her mother with some unexplainable disease.
Well, someone is certainly grumpy this morning. ;)
The Town. The Town has the answers you seek.
So who make the starfish bread this time? Sanae or Akio?
I have a theory that Sanae's bread is fine unless she is experimenting with new flavors and textures...sort of how Akiko's jams were fine (Nayuki loved her mom's strawberry jam) except for her "special jam". Akio can't be making all the bread they sell.
Master Chibi
2009-02-27, 21:02
Someone get me that damn remix of Fuuko's theme.
Also, how many fucking montages were in this episode?
I swear I lost count.
Oh, if they do anything to Ushio I will seriously lose it.
typhonsentra
2009-02-27, 21:31
The melodrama is laughable as ever but man was it ever refreshing to see Fuuko and Usio together, it reminded me of what I originally liked about this show.
9/10
It felt like watching something close to something by Zemeckis or Spielberg, until drama bites you in the ass. Key cheat. Even in the genetic lottery.
A nice episode as slice of life with twist of light comedy. Then there be the drama. However, it lacked what-I-can't-put-a-name-on to make this episode as good as 16-18-19.
And I don't see what's forced about it.
Reckoner
2009-02-27, 22:06
Well, someone is certainly grumpy this morning. ;)
The Town. The Town has the answers you seek.
What are you trying to hint at :eyebrow:? But eh, I am actually happy today, got my license, this episode just really did not hit home with me whatsoever.
It was so bad that I actually was bored and tapping my foot for it to end, and that is not a good sign when I am watching anything.
Tempester
2009-02-27, 22:13
What are you trying to hint at :eyebrow:?
It's just a game veteran spouting out mysterious, enigmatic words of wisdom in order to look cool and smart. But to those who never played the game it's like gibberish. I'm a game veteran myself, so I can criticize them all I like. :heh:
RandomFlameStrike
2009-02-27, 22:15
Repetitive, too forced, I hate Fuko (Is it too much to ask for her to just get out of this series? Tomoyo pretty much has been), slowing down the pacing now when they could have used the slowed down pacing a couple of episodes ago, and just overall a very poor episode (4/10). Next episodes should be better thankfully. Too bad Ushio looks like she is going to get really sick like her mother with some unexplainable disease.
O.o wut Fuuko is awesome! I don't think it's forced to have her recover, in fact we should have seen this coming from a long way off. After her arc she re-appeared which meant her health was getting better. Well if you hate Fuuko there's nothing I can do about it. However it's too much to ask her to gtfo because she has lots of fans and can logically fit in with the story (Well you could have Tomoyo randomly show up but THAT would be forced).
Also Nagisa never had a random unexplainable disease, it was just a bunch of really bad fevers/colds coming up at bad times.
If I recall correctly there was a part in the game where Sanae mentioned how the doctors couldn't diagnose a diesease that's cuasing her long unexplained fevers. There's some explination but if I mention more the mods would jump on me.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-27, 22:18
Anyway I thought Botan has a fear of being eaten, so calling it Nabe in a sense would be a little scaring him?
Klashikari
2009-02-27, 22:21
There's some explination but if I mention more the mods would jump on me.
Actually, it has been explained before in the anime series (especially episode 16) by Tomoya and Akio that the town has an effect on Nagisa's health (and if you add akio's story about Nagisa, you know the deal). That is no spoiler from this point.
I guess many people forgot this "little" detail.
Ottocycle
2009-02-27, 22:35
Anyway I thought Botan has a fear of being eaten, so calling it Nabe in a sense would be a little scaring him?
Why would it? It's a kid a quarter his size calling him that anyway.
panzerfan
2009-02-27, 22:58
People are entitled to their criticism and I don't think I'd have it any other way. Given the filler nature of this episode, I think having Fuuko or not having Fuuko are both valid since Kyou carries more weight plotwise and ultimately the brunt of the show should be on Tomoya-Ushio interaction at this point.
I am not sure if Botan's a male boar... and by the way, I am pretty sure that Kyou is there to ensure that no one gets too interested with Botan.
Botan seems to like children. Or it is just Ushio.
well botan seemed to be having a lot of fun if you catch my drift. At least that's what Kyou was implying when Ushio was sliding down his back.
On a slightly different note: Fuuko is still #1 in Japan...though she acts a little older that before. Though she and Tomoya still haven't lost their back and forth routine.
And Fuuko has Ushio's scent...means she can find her (identify her) anywhere.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 00:13
well botan seemed to be having a lot of fun if you catch my drift. At least that's what Kyou was implying when Ushio was sliding down his back.
It likes having someone on its back. Or is it just a perverse boar which enjoys being stroked?
Like owner, like pet. :p
I wonder if there is some symbolism in the pencil holder next to Nagisa's picture. It has an hourglass on it with the sand running out.
Master Chibi
2009-02-28, 01:45
I'm bloody serious, if anything happens to Ushio this series goes to the bottom of the shit pile.
Don't make me bank on it.
Please don't make me bank on it.
I don't want to actually bank on it.
:(
Ascaloth
2009-02-28, 01:50
Note to self: To hook the fish known by the taxonomy of Masterus Chibificus, a special bait known as "Real-Life Loli" is necessary.
:D
Master Chibi
2009-02-28, 01:54
You might as well just reel me in and cook me for dinner at this point.
D:
sigh im sad of whats going to happen soon.
Ascaloth
2009-02-28, 01:56
Very well.
*reels in and prepares to cook Masterus Chibificus*
How would you like your fish, guys? Let's hear some suggestions. :D
"blinks" Wow. Tomoya x Kyou flirting much?
Strangely enough I used to hate this pairing, due to: Kyou's route being one of the most ham-handed attempts at romance ever (pairing the boy you like with your dear sister, hoping you'll be content with a few "tastes", and ending up stealing the boy back. WTF, Kyou?), and Kyou overdoing the tsundere by a tad bit, as well as most conversations between them being thinly-veiled insults thrown at each other. Oh, and the violence.
Now, seven or eight years later, bam, sudden chemistry ++. I always thought Kyou was the girl that acted most like Tomoya in her demeanor, but now it's even more obvious, now that's she's calmed down some and Tomoya has livened up a bit. Not to mention, their conversation topics have shifted from, "I am Fujibayashi Kyou." "I like hitting peo-" to actual proper conversation about jobs, home life, etc.
Additionally, Kyou is in a hugely favorable position to end up as Tomoya's wife, had things gone without a hitch ("ahem" USHIO....). She is a huge mother figure to Ushio now that Ushio's moved out of the Furukawa household, Tomoya regularly strikes up conversation with her everyday, they're both single (Kyou's giving off "I'm free" vibes, dunno why), and I can just imagine Ushio nodding happily to her favorite teacher becoming her mother.
Yeah, adult Kyou x Tomoya banzai. Shame that's it not going to happen.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 02:23
Yeah, adult Kyou x Tomoya banzai. Shame that's it not going to happen.
And we know that Kyou wants it since she was locked up in the gym storage 7 years ago.
TenkenXD
2009-02-28, 03:24
Haha. I loved that scene in the gym storage. Made me laugh so hard.
This episode was pretty great right up until the very last 30 seconds or so...then I wanted to err...summon my Persona except....I don't have a Persona. (Persona 3 if anyone gets what I'm talking about at all.)
Look it up if you don't get it then it'll be like one of those "ohh" moments.
Fuuko rocked my sox in this episode (OKAZAKI IS THE BEST!) <---Damn straight
Kyou, oh wonderful Kyou, welcome back baby. ;)
Very well.
*reels in and prepares to cook Masterus Chibificus*
How would you like your fish, guys? Let's hear some suggestions. :D
Watching his avatar gives you this weird satisfaction. :heh:
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 04:44
Very well.
*reels in and prepares to cook Masterus Chibificus*
How would you like your fish, guys? Let's hear some suggestions. :D
How about the "Kyou Fujibayashi" style? After all, she likes fish*.
http://i44.tinypic.com/30kr281.jpg
Myssa Rei
2009-02-28, 07:04
I'm not going to be surprised if the RAGE meter gets filled with the next episode. Really.
panzerfan
2009-02-28, 07:30
I wouldn't call it RAGE meter immediately. If the "End of the world" is exactly what's written on the tin can, I would call it post-apocalypse trauma syndrome (and war never changes)
Now, a picture... (I think I might've translated it wrong. For one, I didn't go word-by-word)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1646/animemahou358673268951.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animemahou358673268951.jpg)
Sensei, will you become my mommy?
Yea, I will.
Sensei, is this a remarriage?
Well, the one that's to be remarried is Ushio-chan's daddy. This is the first time for me.
I love sensei since seisei is really kind. Daddy actually-
has liked sensei since a long time ago.
This girl occasionally speaks out as if she sees through everything.
Her sights glitter as with that girl.
If she is willing to accept me, then it is almost as if that she who is no longer in this world has forgiven me.
Time has flow by and people as well as the world have changed since then,
yet here I am over this very spot once again.
It is not as if that I want to support her nor that I want to replace her, rather, it is just that I who is so weak seek that glimmer of warmth.
Could the one that is no longer here possibly forgive me...
Staring upon this Cherry Blossom dyed sky, those time spent alongside Nagisa emerge from its slumber
I can't help to hold the tears that are streaming down my cheeks.
Myssa Rei
2009-02-28, 07:46
War... War never changes...
Because KEY is a cheating GM. And the Town is a Genius Loci. I expect fireworks on the scale of Fallout's city busters to propagate in this section of the boards in a week.
I'm not going to be surprised if the RAGE meter gets filled with the next episode. Really.
And I could smell flames against a certain person's logic, miles away.
Well, it is certainly is not the most logical thing to do.. so flames away. :heh:
I wouldn't call it RAGE meter immediately. If the "End of the world" is exactly what's written on the tin can, I would call it post-apocalypse trauma syndrome (and war never changes)
Now, a picture... (I think I might've translated it wrong. For one, I didn't go word-by-word)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1646/animemahou358673268951.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animemahou358673268951.jpg)
Sensei, will you become my mommy?
Yea, I will.
Sensei, is this a remarriage?
Well, the one that's to be remarried is Ushio-chan's daddy. This is the first time for me.
I love sensei since seisei is really kind. Daddy actually-
has liked sensei since a long time ago.
This girl occasionally speaks out as if she sees through everything.
Her sights glitter as with that girl.
If she is willing to accept me, then it is almost as if that she who is no longer in this world has forgiven me.
Time has flow by and people as well as the world have changed since then,
yet here I am over this very spot once again.
It is not as if that I want to support her nor that I want to replace her, rather, it is just that I who is so weak seek that glimmer of warmth.
Could the one that is no longer here possibly forgive me...
Staring upon this Cherry Blossom dyed sky, those time spent alongside Nagisa emerge from its slumber
I can't help to hold the tears that are streaming down my cheeks.
Love that pic!!!but I'm a little bit disappointed because I want to see Ryou's arc too.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 11:12
I wouldn't call it RAGE meter immediately. If the "End of the world" is exactly what's written on the tin can, I would call it post-apocalypse trauma syndrome (and war never changes)
Now, a picture... (I think I might've translated it wrong. For one, I didn't go word-by-word)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1646/animemahou358673268951.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animemahou358673268951.jpg)
Sensei, will you become my mommy?
Yea, I will.
Sensei, is this a remarriage?
Well, the one that's to be remarried is Ushio-chan's daddy. This is the first time for me.
I love sensei since seisei is really kind. Daddy actually-
has liked sensei since a long time ago.
This girl occasionally speaks out as if she sees through everything.
Her sights glitter as with that girl.
If she is willing to accept me, then it is almost as if that she who is no longer in this world has forgiven me.
Time has flow by and people as well as the world have changed since then,
yet here I am over this very spot once again.
It is not as if that I want to support her nor that I want to replace her, rather, it is just that I who is so weak seek that glimmer of warmth.
Could the one that is no longer here possibly forgive me...
Staring upon this Cherry Blossom dyed sky, those time spent alongside Nagisa emerge from its slumber
I can't help to hold the tears that are streaming down my cheeks.
At least it is better than marrying "that Sakagami girl" (Ushio will grow up to become another legendary fighter) or Kotomi (Ushio will top the entire nation in all subjects other than music, how ironic).
Besides Kyou being Ushio's stepmother is not a bad idea after all. As what she had said before, Tomoya sure knows how to spoil children, and Kyou's tsuntsun side might help to keep Ushio disciplined.
The picture is pretty and so are the words. It is going to be my new wallpaper. :p
typhonsentra
2009-02-28, 11:49
That's fanart, right?
At least it is better than marrying "that Sakagami girl" (Ushio will grow up to become another legendary fighter) or Kotomi (Ushio will top the entire nation in all subjects other than music, how ironic).
Besides Kyou being Ushio's stepmother is not a bad idea after all. As what she had said before, Tomoya sure knows how to spoil children, and Kyou's tsuntsun side might help to keep Ushio disciplined.
The picture is pretty and so are the words. It is going to be my new wallpaper. :p
and becomes a dictionary launcher?
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 12:39
and becomes a dictionary launcher?
I hope the others pray hard that it doesn't happen. Besides Ushio has Nagisa's genes, so she won't be a tsundere when she reaches high school. But regarding her denseness, it should be SLIGHTLY less than Nagisa due to being raised by Kyou, but there is a possibility that is might match that of Kotomi and Ryou.
Then one can look forward to another munega sa-ta munega!, courtesy of Kyou.
I hope the others pray hard that it doesn't happen. Besides Ushio has Nagisa's genes, so she won't be a tsundere when she reaches high school. But regarding her denseness, it should be SLIGHTLY less than Nagisa due to being raised by Kyou, but there is a possibility that is might match that of Kotomi and Ryou.
Then one can look forward to another munega sa-ta munega!, courtesy of Kyou.
Hee i'll be praying :)
She has Tomoya's genes as well...tsundere is still possible. At least if she takes after her father. Or maybe not a tsundere, but just the ability to be highly annoyed from time to time.
There is a fanart of Ushio as a high school senior with her yelling as someone (assumed to be Tomoya) to get up for breakfast, as she is holding a spatula and has on a Dango apron while in her summer uniform. It is definately her home since there is a picture of Nagisa and Tomoya in the dresser. It would seem like she learned something from either her father, or her teacher...Kyou.
There is always hope that the illness seen at the end of this episode can be corrected....somehow.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 13:24
Tomoya seems to be a victim of Kyou throughout his life since high school, whether he marries her or not in the end. Maybe it is part of his doomed fate that such "undesirable" events happened. From Botan to the gym closet, to Kotomi's "recital" and now Ushio's teacher.
Nagisa's illness might be Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and from what I have heard from my friends in medical school, it can be hereditary. The genes just turn up wrong in poor Ushio.
It can be treated, but the recovery rate is low, and patients die when they overexert themselves to the limits of normal people (excluding special forces trained people), like how Nagisa died at childbirth.
Anyway, I was told that Jun Maeda said that Clannad is "the fruit of his fullest potential" and writing the story is just like "climbing a wall he will never get over a second time". I have a feeling that he is right, and his next work will not be as good as this.
and his next work will not be as good as this.
His next work is already done though, that is Little Busters. After he finished that he was reported saying that he would retire from Key's scenario staff.
SaintessHeart
2009-02-28, 13:34
I never played the game before but I know the general characters from my friends. IMO from my resources, it doesn't seem as good as Clannad.
I was actually talking about the upcoming Rewrite. I didn't know he retired from the scenario staff after that. Thanks for the info though.
I'm a kyou fan and yet I just want the AS game ending, why is that so bad compared kyou stepmother stuff.
Vegard Aune
2009-02-28, 13:42
Once again... Perfect. Plenty of scenes involving Fuko, who is just as awesome as ever, hearing Dango Daikazoku was absolutely BRILLIANT, (As well as Komorebi, one of my favourite image-songs from the series) and all in all, it was just a thoroughly enjoyable episode.
The ending gives me a REALLY bad feeling, though... And the fact that the next episode will be called "THE END OF THE WORLD" doesn't exactly help.
Anyway, I was told that Jun Maeda said that Clannad is "the fruit of his fullest potential" and writing the story is just like "climbing a wall he will never get over a second time". I have a feeling that he is right, and his next work will not be as good as this.
I'd say that seems about right. I can't possibly imagine that Key will ever be able to make anything better than this... Especially with Jun Maeda not writing the scenarios any more.
I'm a kyou fan and yet I just want the AS game ending, why is that so bad compared kyou stepmother stuff.
What was the game ending?
I'm really hoping they move away from the visual novel ending and at least make it a happy ending.....Nagisa already died....
Generic Asian Guy
2009-02-28, 14:55
Oh my gosh, Ushio just melts my heart away.
I'm sort of dreading the next episode...
SkoolRumble4Ya
2009-02-28, 15:04
I hope Ushio doesn't die and somebody better cure her too many sad things are happening. If Tomoya loses Ushio just when he finally got his resolve he might not live very long.
I hope Ushio doesn't die and somebody better cure her too many sad things are happening. If Tomoya loses Ushio just when he finally got his resolve he might not live very long.
yeah seriously huh? Before at least he had Ushio. But if Ushio dies......he has nothing to live for.
We haven't seen anyone besides Kyou since the timeskip. :[
KyouxTomoya still possible? rofl. 0% chance.
DragoZERO
2009-02-28, 16:19
Great episode, once again.
I'm still sad that Nagisa isn't there though. The picture they chose and where it was put is perfect though.
Fuko brings the much missed humor of Clannad with Tomoya's quips that I love so much. Fuko is awesome, plain and simple (if you disagree, then its your loss).
The Dango song and Ushio telling Fuko about Nagisa made me tear up though.
But judging from the end and the preview I don't think I'll like the coming episodes. The final trial for Tomoya will certainly be a trial for us as well.
yeah seriously huh? Before at least he had Ushio. But if Ushio dies......he has nothing to live for.
If Ushio dies I may never stop crying.
chikorita157
2009-02-28, 16:39
This episode was mostly enjoyable with fun and happy moments. Fuko scene is very funny on how Ushio-chan and Tomoya reacted. It was also nice to see Kyou again, as her usual self with a toned down tsundere personality... and also Botan gotten soo big... and no more "puhi", it sadden me a little, but not much... Anyways, it was fun for a change, after three episodes of almost crying or actually crying...
Rating: 9.5/10 -> 10/10.
This episode was mostly enjoyable with fun and happy moments. Fuko scene is very funny on how Ushio-chan and Tomoya reacted. It was also nice to see Kyou again, as her usual self with a toned down tsundere personality... and also Botan gotten soo big... and no more "puhi", it sadden me a little, but not much... Anyways, it was fun for a change, after three episodes of almost crying or actually crying...
Rating: 9.5/10 -> 10/10.
Why does Ushio say "stew"?
KaneDragon
2009-02-28, 16:47
That's fanart, right?That's fanart, right.
No! It is truth. ;_;
Why does Ushio say "stew"?
Because Botan looks delicious. :D
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9435/snapshot20090228162951.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20090228162951.jpg)
Why must you do this to us? ;_;
No! It is truth. ;_;
Because Botan looks delicious. :D
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9435/snapshot20090228162951.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20090228162951.jpg)
Why must you do this to us? ;_;
They're probably going to have an ending where they all live happily together. Ushio/Tomoya/Nagisa.
People, we have 2 threads for speculation about future episodes. Let's keep this thread about what happened THIS one, ok? :p
Flash Gordon
2009-02-28, 17:27
Yes, we need to focus on the development of nuclear tights.
Great episode. Few things to mention.
I wonder if that bread was made by Akio or Sanae. She said Furukawa-san, so... who knows.
Since when has been Kyou calling Sunohara by his first name, "Youhei"?! I smell something fishy here ^^
What the hell is with those tights?!
The way they used Danko Daikazoku was splendid, just awesome. I teared up when I heard it.
Kyou has grown in a very nice kindergarten teacher. I'd like to see the rest, particularly Kotomi and Tomoyo.
Since when has been Kyou calling Sunohara by his first name, "Youhei"?! I smell something fishy here ^^
Since ep.1 actually. More than closeness, it just demonstrates that she has no respect for him whatsoever :p
Fuuko's imagination is weird...or was that Tomoya's imagination about the pants? Either way, their back and forth made Ushio giggle. (Was that a "Uso da" or "Uso desu" out of Fuuko? Also I think she said "Huh, desu" at one point, which seems weird and Fuuko-like).
kk2extreme
2009-02-28, 18:01
dont do this to me man, i have cried and shed gallons of tears for 16 and 18 alone, i dont know if i could take anymore heart wrenching moments. :sad:
cyberdemon
2009-02-28, 19:18
After this episode i think I'll probably be cautious about putting on pants anymore incase they might be... dun dun dun... nuclear pants! :eek: LOL!
The ending was so sad though. I wish next week will come because the wait is already unbearable and i only just finished the episode.
Justin Kim
2009-02-28, 20:56
They're probably going to have an ending where they all live happily together. Ushio/Tomoya/Nagisa.
I agree, maybe Tomoya will deserve a second chance - maybe he won't it all just depends on his happiness. The measured amount of how satisfied he is. Seriously though Ushio, as mentioned by Fuko, reminds him of Nagisa. Therefore, that is what releives his exploding calamity at sometimes. Just by looking at Ushio, he can see the resemblance and calms down. Ushio is everything to not only him, but Sanae's family as well. Ushio is the gift of both families, the next generation, and the daughter of Nagisa whom will be stronger.
Tempester
2009-02-28, 21:02
Since ep.1 actually. More than closeness, it just demonstrates that he has no respect for him whatsoever :p
I find it more of her general speech style. She calls almost everyone by their first name, even after first meeting them. Like an American. :heh:
Sorrow-K
2009-02-28, 21:24
I'm surprised that this thread turned so quickly into talking about Kyou and Tomoya. I've been thinking about it myself. I don't think it'll happen in canon for the simple reason that Tomoya doesn't love Kyou, but I do think it's worth weighing up the pros and cons.
Pros:
She's good with children.
Ushio already knows her and sees her as a "mother" figure (of sorts... that's what kindergarten teachers essentially are).
She's strong, capable and (unlike Fuko) well adjusted. She's also nice.
Cons:
Too soon. Tomoya is still a long way from getting over Nagisa.
It might send the wrong message to Ushio about Nagisa.
Kyou might remind him of the time they all spent in high school: ie, memories of Nagisa.
If Tomoya is going to remarry anyone, it'd be Kyou, but, as much as it makes sense, I just don't think it'll happen, especially at this moment in time when Tomoya is still constantly thinking about Nagisa.
I'm glad they went with a lighter episode here, since the dramatic onslaught has been constant for four episodes. It's not that I can't stand it (some people apparently can't), it's just that breaking it up a bit makes it all the more effective and keeps it from becoming exhausting. One thing that struck me about this episode was that the directing was really good. There were lots of deliberate little things, like shots of Nagisa's picture as they went through the door, a shot of a pigeon while they were talking about Fuko (still trying to figure out what that one meant exactly), and Nagisa's picture changing to a picture of the Okazaki family while Tomoya was thinking about what life would be like if Nagisa was still alive.
Again, Clannad takes the sports thing very seriously. What is with Clannad and sports? I think if a war ever broke out in the Clannad universe, they'd use an international soccer game to decide it... that's actually kinda awesome now that I think about it. I loved the size of Tomoya's grin when Ushio said he was cool.
Edit: Thinking about it, I'm actually surprised Kyou even has the patience to be a kindergarten teacher. She had a pretty short temper in high school, and you need a huge amount of patience with kids that age.
CrowKenobi
2009-02-28, 21:28
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1646/animemahou358673268951.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animemahou358673268951.jpg)
That's real nice! Thanks for the translation! :D
:cool:
Did anyone notice that Ryou is hiding behind one of the trees? :heh:
What is this pants thing I keep reading? I just re-watched and didn't see anything.
And where's that picture from?
Bonta Kun
2009-02-28, 21:36
Edit: Thinking about it, I'm actually surprised Kyou even has the patience to be a kindergarten teacher. She had a pretty short temper in high school, and you need a huge amount of patience with kids that age.
women mature in mysterious ways, plus when it comes to kids they can muster huge unknown amounts of patience:p
they're not like us, hairy, useless, temperamental, scummy males:eyebrow:
now for nuclear tights.........one of the oddest things I've ever seen:heh:
I love Fuu-chan/Tomoya exchanges, its funny as hell!
KaneDragon
2009-02-28, 22:05
What is this pants thing I keep reading? I just re-watched and didn't see anything.
Watch it again ~12:51.
And where's that picture from?
http://home.att.ne.jp/apple/JNR-M/dat/3/f.html. The main URL is already in the image itself...
Oh!!! roflmao. Those nuclear pants lol.
chikorita157
2009-02-28, 22:44
Yes, the nuclear tights (they aren't pants) with Tomoya was the most hilarious part of the episode, including the "do not touch this button" joke and also the bread part with Fuko.
DragoZERO
2009-02-28, 23:05
Yes, the nuclear tights (they aren't pants) with Tomoya was the most hilarious part of the episode, including the "do not touch this button" joke and also the bread part with Fuko.
The tights were so random too. It went from a logical button to tights, lmao. Fuko is great.
Fuuko reminds me of these exchanges:
"Don't push that button"
"Which button?"
"That one"
"This one?" pushes.... "Ahhhhh"
"That was the panic button."
"You shouldn't pull that lever"
"I can't help it, I'm a born lever puller"
~Ringo Starr in Yellow Submarine
panzerfan
2009-02-28, 23:56
On Fuuko... this says it all.
Here is the person that can't be allowed anywhere near the ICBM launch controls in the whole of Japan.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8184/12358134385033272272.png (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12358134385033272272.png)
At least it is better than marrying "that Sakagami girl" (Ushio will grow up to become another legendary fighter) or Kotomi (Ushio will top the entire nation in all subjects other than music, how ironic).
Besides Kyou being Ushio's stepmother is not a bad idea after all. As what she had said before, Tomoya sure knows how to spoil children, and Kyou's tsuntsun side might help to keep Ushio disciplined.
The picture is pretty and so are the words. It is going to be my new wallpaper. :p
Becoming another "legendary fighter" is not bad,she will make her stepmother
proud by creating her own finishing move.:heh:
That would make Ushio an 'Attack Dango" wouldn't it?
SaintessHeart
2009-03-01, 00:14
I find it more of her general speech style. She calls almost everyone by their first name, even after first meeting them. Like an American. :heh:
Although it is interesting that she did not refer to Tomoyo at all when she mentioned the others. Besides, she seems to refer to Tomoyo as "that Sakagami girl".
Seems that they still have some kind of "rivalry" between them. It would be fun to see them fight.
That would make Ushio an 'Attack Dango" wouldn't it?
Dango bash! Fighto!
If it is Kyou she would become a Cho-dango-ho (Super Dango Cannon). :D
while i do like people talking about what they would like to happen, dont get upset if it does not.
while i do like people talking about what they would like to happen, dont get upset if it does not.
I don't think anyone seriously expects their ships to sail at this point. Some people might have liked to see sparks between Kyou and Tomoya in the couple of scenes the two were in, but the other parts of this episode should have made it clear that Tomoya is not – and will probably never be – completely over the death of his wife. They're not going to get from here to a point where he's talking about dating, let alone remarrying, and I think most people realize that.
In other words, save it for the fanfics people. :heh:
SaintessHeart
2009-03-01, 00:26
I got over it already. It is just an anime.
I don't think anyone seriously expects their ships to sail at this point. Some people might have liked to see sparks between Kyou and Tomoya in the couple of scenes the two were in, but the other parts of this episode should have made it clear that Tomoya is not – and will probably never be – completely over the death of his wife. They're not going to get from here to a point where he's talking about dating, let alone remarrying, and I think most people realize that.
In other words, save it for the fanfics people. :heh:
Fanfics? well that's a given. Now what I would love to see would be an OVA - an alternate ending with Kyou and Tomoya coming together and raising a healthy Ushio. It worked for KimiNozo didn't it?
(Before people correct me, I do know that the KimiNozo Next Season OVA was based on an alternate ending to that game - and there is no source material from the Clannad game for a Kyou - Tomoya matchup)
While I am all for the Clannad game ending (whatever that may be), a what-if scenario would be nice too and this is the first "alternate" scenario I have seen where there has been some general agreement.
There's my 2 cents. Have fun all :D
panzerfan
2009-03-01, 02:10
There are lots to choose from...
Kyou After, Ryou After, Kotomi After, Mei After, Fuuko After, Yukine After
Youhei After, Mei After, Shino/Naoyuki After, Sanae/Akio After, Komura After, Yoshino After...
SaintessHeart
2009-03-01, 02:31
Well maybe we can ditch all of that and go for this.....
http://chinchilla.xsrv.jp/game/tomoyo/index.htm
I don't think anyone seriously expects their ships to sail at this point. Some people might have liked to see sparks between Kyou and Tomoya in the couple of scenes the two were in, but the other parts of this episode should have made it clear that Tomoya is not – and will probably never be – completely over the death of his wife. They're not going to get from here to a point where he's talking about dating, let alone remarrying, and I think most people realize that.
In other words, save it for the fanfics people. :heh:
I think most people here already expected there to be no hope of any pairing besides Nagisa x Tomoya. It's just that, if we were to fast forward another ten years or so, ignoring what's supposed to happen in the actual story, there would be a high chance of Kyou marrying Tomoya, seeing how most people agree that they have the best chemistry so far out of all the remaining pairings, not to mention that Ushio would be better off with a mother figure in her life, which Kyou currently serves as partially. We all know it's not going to happen, but it logically probably should, if not immediately. Tomoya will never get over Nagisa completely, but that doesn't mean he can't marry another woman.
In short, Tomoya x Kyou = IT JUST MAKES SENSE (in a few years)... but, storywise, it's not going to happen. The story will end before anything like that can ever happen, or the ship will be sunk.
Fanfics? well that's a given. Now what I would love to see would be an OVA - an alternate ending with Kyou and Tomoya coming together and raising a healthy Ushio. It worked for KimiNozo didn't it?
(Before people correct me, I do know that the KimiNozo Next Season OVA was based on an alternate but canonical ending to that game - and there is no source material from the Clannad game for a Kyou - Tomoya matchup)
While I am all for the Clannad game ending (whatever that may be), a what-if scenario would be nice too and this is the first "alternate" scenario I have seen where there has been some general agreement.
There's my 2 cents. Have fun all :D
If they were to do a kyou x tomoya pairing I would prefer it to be the school days one, but with the clannad s1 it wouldn't really work, since there isn't quite enough kyou development, since she was pretty much left out like tomoyo, grrrr. But yea in the end an alternate kyou x tomoya AS ending would be nice but I just feel that much of the build up would be lost, though not completely wasted, but the impact wouldn't be as great.
Now that I've started talking about kyou, why the hell did thye not do an ova for kyou, yet they gave one to tomoyo... I mean they spent half the damn series on fuuko, yet we only got to see kyou so very little, gah. Sorry I'm rambling but sometimes its frustrating that my favorite non nagisa heroine got so little development. I guess their making up for it AS but man what ifs...
Also quick note on KimiNozo, wish they did akane's route instead, gawd shes hawt.
Am I the only one who would prefer to find out that Kyou actually dates Youhei?
Am I the only one who would prefer to find out that Kyou actually dates Youhei?
No. You are not alone. Dysfunctional couples ftw.
man why would you give kyou to youhei o_O; its not that I don't like youhei but man I just feel like hes not quite worthy of her. I mean those are personal feelings because I like kyou a lot, and I just think the best person for youhei would be tomoyo even though it was pretty damn clear that she was all oggly eyed for tomoya. Also one more note about a kyou alternate not game ending. With all the build up about the illusory world, a lot of the details and the sublties would lost if doesn't go with the game ending. That would be my only concern, but my love for kyou is strong enough that I would gladly take the alternate ending that many have proposed, because kyou is a fine woman, much like Nagisa of Yume de Aetera.
panzerfan
2009-03-01, 09:49
Well, I think that one thing that should not be forgotten regarding relationships by the time people have careers would be that the very consideration of romance and marriage are not nearly as simplistic as they had been during the high school years. Romance typically require an element of discovery on both participants and exchange of different viewpoints in the form of the social game to have any dynamic, while marriage becomes a matter of compounding interests, emotions, financial realities and obligations, made even worse by the critical thinking all adults acquired from experience.
I think adults that have known each other as high school classmates tend to have too much (mis)understanding of each other going into a relationship, which obviously is good for predictability but kills some uncertainty in courtships as well as enforcing bias on the parties involved from the outset. One should keep that in mind when discussing shipping of Tomoya as all of these people have significant background knowledge of Tomoya and all the cast have had life experience with Tomoya, making the weight of friendship as opposed to romance a very real consideration for the party involved.
Tomoya carries a baggage in the form of Ushio and the ties with the Furukawa family. This again will lead to pragmatism kicking in with all adults given that the immediate obligations, even if the party interested can actually handle them will shy away due to giving too much afterthought (common by this point in time for adults) This kind of self-doubt for the other party wenting to go into a serious relationship with Tomoya the widower can make for interesting plot and I think should not be overlooked.
Lastly, I think that Maeda Jun's backdrop of the town shouldn't be overlooked. The town and the people in it intereact to the characters. Tomoya, Ushio and every other cast do not really lead cloistered lives. It is in the spirit of CLANNAD to connect all immediate parties of interest as well as indirectly involved individuals to the whole of the scenario, and any work that puts this cohesiveness into consideration can benefit greatly in creating a more believable narrative.
Overall, I think that shipping is fun and good, but some thoughts should be put into it. Following a Toradora! formula won't just work in the context of the working society. I suppose just giving some thought about what happens to courtship and marriage when one goes beyond even dorm life should be enough to get a more credible and interesting read out on the interesting question of 'what might have happened'.
Waaah!!
God, that dango song really got to me this time, and Tomoya's imaginings of what life might have been like had Nagisa lived were really bittersweet.
The Fuko Madness (nuclear tights...!) was just cleansing the palate before the next round of emotional overdrive.
Ushio's fascination with walking to the hospital - that is the hospital that was built on the wood where Akio took a young sick Nagisa, right?
Well the Kyou x Tomoya ending that many non game players want is very similar to the game ending where Family plays a big role. The seperation between Kyou and Tomoya has been really significant, he's seen her very little and their relationship was never really developed except for the gym room scene where it was very obvious that Kyou was in love with Tomoya. Tomoya never knew that Kyou loved him, and thats what makes this scenario possible, but the problem with the ending that many have proposed is that the nuiances of the town, and the illusory world are lost, and somethings just don't come into focus as they do in the game. Would it be bad if the ending wasn't the games? I can't really say because I'm a kyou fanboy, but even then I would feel guilty if the anime didn't end like the game. I'm just lost in this delemma.
panzerfan
2009-03-01, 11:12
Depends on how you reconcile Kyou with Nagisa I suppose. In some sense, even without resorting to spoiler, it's clear that no one in town is really immune to the illusionary world, and Kyou isn't totally left out cold with "the world that has ended", having been exposed to that play and all. To establish the focus with the illusionary world will be tricky, but that's the limitations to bear in mind of.
You can wait until Clannad comes to an end before thinking about the what-ifs. That might be better in order to leave no doubt about the intended story path so that your derived work doesn't sound artificial.
true, most of its speculation, which is good, for non game veterans, for many the suprise is whats awesome about anime, thats kinda why I was nazi in the last thread about people constantly shouting out "its kyou." Discovery is the best thing, though great story telling is awesome too, when those two are well complememnted it elevates the whole expeirence of the anime. I mean I remeber playing through clannad without a game guide, and each new "ending" was an amazing find, I just want to preserve that sense of discovery for other viewers, hence why I'm really cautious with my discussion of the ending.
Smelly_Goomba
2009-03-01, 12:06
I hope everything's okay next episode, I don't like bawwwwwing anymore
Kyou is so freakin' hawt in her ponytail
Sometimes, I wish for a Kyou ending ;)
Gof Gof and not Puhi Puhi anymore? :( Haha, Botan got so big after all those years :heh:. I thought he was a female boar? Ah well, funny how his/her name change from Botan to Stew (or Nabe in this case :heehee:)
motaku96
2009-03-01, 18:07
This episode sent me through so many emotions. I was laughing at Fuko, crying when Okazaki remembered Nagisa, and was left worrying at the end. Looks like things are gonna get really bad in the coming episodes. Hopefully the end will be happy.
zzeroparticle
2009-03-01, 18:32
Well, this episode was pretty enjoyable. It's nice just being able to revisit some of the characters and it provided an avenue to let the audience relax while we watch their lives unfold. Given all of the events that occurred in the last few episodes, it's kind of nice just being able to take a breather.
The hurdles still stand though, and it'll be interesting to see whether he can actually reconcile his feelings for the city when tragedy keeps on coming and coming.
Justin Kim
2009-03-01, 20:18
Yes, the nuclear tights (they aren't pants) with Tomoya was the most hilarious part of the episode, including the "do not touch this button" joke and also the bread part with Fuko.
LOL, "do not touch this button," ahhh that was so great. He totally shot down Fuko, with her own answer.
Bonta Kun
2009-03-01, 20:42
its enough proof that fuu-chan shouldn't be let near any button of any sort, chaos is bound to ensue
the "Okazaki's the best!" made me really smile, little shout back to the "Starfish festival" scene in S1:D
Fuu-chan is win!!
SaintessHeart
2009-03-01, 23:49
We always knew that Fuko is the crazy one out of all the girls. If you played Tomoyo Fighter Perfect, she is able to throw her wooden star like a boomerang and summon giant starfishes to fight in her place.
A Fuko x Tomoya pairing might not be too bad after all......
germanturkey
2009-03-02, 00:15
reappearance of Kyou gives this ep an automatic 10. but yeah, every time Ushio wandered out by herself, i kept thinking, don't let something bad happen... i don't know if i could continue with this show if any more tragedy strikes. i know something bad will happen, but i hope to god it won't.
End of the World doesn't sound very promising..
i miss puhi puhi... i also want a Kyou ending. the ep in the first season with Tomoyo playing the tennis match shattered my dreams of a Kyou Tomoya ending though.. however, new hope arises because of this ep!
Generic Asian Guy
2009-03-02, 00:29
In my heart, I've always wanted a Kotomi x Tomoya ending (well, this is biased because I love Kotomi).
There's some significance in the new hospital (pointed out by Ushio wandering to it when Tomoya's at work). Only 3 episodes left... I wonder how much ground can be covered.
Klashikari
2009-03-02, 01:30
The "i heard" type of "spoilers" are absolutely never reliable, for good reasons.
Saintessheart's "spoiler" is not one, it is fake, but considering how it might be interpreted as "truth", i guess deleting it won't hurt anyone. to the contrary.
Spazthemax
2009-03-02, 01:33
It's alright to post spoilers on past episodes, right?
I just sailed through the entire second season of CLANNAD, and I'm still having issues getting over Nagisa's death. I really hope nothing happens to Ushio, but seeing as the Wikipedia says the title of then next episode is "The End of the World" I think things are looking pretty grim.
Generic Asian Guy
2009-03-02, 01:56
I just got an idea: it could mean "The End of the (Imaginary) World", where the girl and her robot escape? I don't know... I'm just being hopeful here xD
reappearance of Kyou gives this ep an automatic 10. but yeah, every time Ushio wandered out by herself, i kept thinking, don't let something bad happen... i don't know if i could continue with this show if any more tragedy strikes. i know something bad will happen, but i hope to god it won't.
End of the World doesn't sound very promising..
i miss puhi puhi... i also want a Kyou ending. the ep in the first season with Tomoyo playing the tennis match shattered my dreams of a Kyou Tomoya ending though.. however, new hope arises because of this ep!
No No and NO, u have to bury your Hopes in the same Episode just see how present Nagisa is even when shes Dead. It clearly shows u that Tomoya wont get another Girl. And ye " End of the World" lets see what happens :)
DragoZERO
2009-03-02, 07:39
reappearance of Kyou gives this ep an automatic 10. but yeah, every time Ushio wandered out by herself, i kept thinking, don't let something bad happen... i don't know if i could continue with this show if any more tragedy strikes. i know something bad will happen, but i hope to god it won't.
End of the World doesn't sound very promising..
Seeing her was awesome. And I had a horrible feeling as Ushio walked outside by herself. I was like "Ushio, noooo!" And I too, hate the episode titles, especially after what happened at the end and Tomoya's narration in the preview. :(
I just got an idea: it could mean "The End of the (Imaginary) World", where the girl and her robot escape? I don't know... I'm just being hopeful here xD
I hope your right.. but I don't think so. :(
Tempester
2009-03-02, 07:56
The "i heard" type of "spoilers" are absolutely never reliable, for good reasons.
Saintessheart's "spoiler" is not one, it is fake, but considering how it might be interpreted as "truth", i guess deleting it won't hurt anyone. to the contrary.
On the other hand, saying something is fake, or not true, eliminates one of the possibilities in someone's assumptions and leads them closer to the actual truth.
When there are 3 girls, and 1 of them is my girlfriend, someone can guess which one is my girlfriend and be wrong. If I tell them that they are wrong, that eliminates one possibility. That leaves them with only 2 possibilities remaining, and it is easier for them to guess. But if I just say, "Who knows? I'm not telling you if you're right or wrong," that still leaves them with 3 possibilities, and I can prevent them from figuring out which of the girls is my girlfriend.
Similarly, you saying that Saintessheart's spoiler is not true eliminates a possibility and makes it easier for Saintessheart to guess what actually will happen, as opposed to being vague and not confirming the spoiler as fake or not.
Spazthemax
2009-03-02, 10:10
I just got an idea: it could mean "The End of the (Imaginary) World", where the girl and her robot escape? I don't know... I'm just being hopeful here xD
That's a good idea. I really hope this is the case, Tomoya's been through a life-time worth of misery already.
Sinestra
2009-03-02, 11:12
Very light hearted episode with the reappearance of Kyou. Out of all the girls to make a impact in Ushio's everyday life im not surprised its her. Kyou is very good with children and the set is just nice for bringing her back. Though we probably wont get to see it if anyone is capable of one day being Tomoya's wife its Kyou. shes in a very favorable position with him and with Ushio. There pairing is actually quite nice now that they both have matured. Watching their conversations showed me just how far they both have come and how much they have grown. Tomoya is not over Nagisa but 1 year or 2 years of having Kyou around everyday interacting with Ushio and him could be the step. Ushio already seems her as mother figure and Kyou seems to dote on her more than the other kids. she also spends more time talking to Tomoya than the other parents. Like i said it is possible given the scope of thing but i dont think we would ever actually see it animated.
Fuko is always fun to watch and good for a laugh. I see why shes number one in Japan even though shes older but have the mind of high school girl she is still very perceptive about things. Its no wonder that she feels so strongly for Ushio they are similar is a lot of ways.
I think we are over tragedy in this series at least i hope. The title of the next episode can be deceiving. Over the years the town has been changing the world that Tomoya grew up in is slowly being eaten away or it could be the end of the imaginary world. Yes Ushio has a fever but it makes no since for them end this tragically after getting many points across about life and moving on.
Im guessing its going to have something to do with the hospital that was built over the place where Akiko took Nagisa when she collapsed when she little and prayed for her to be saved.
Im convinced that the title is meant to be deceiving or not taken in the literal sense but if its not and Ushio actually dies i think im going to have to stop watching the series. Iv watched many series over the past 10 years that like use spontaneous death scenes to advance a plot and spark sympathy for a main character by stripping him/her of everything in their life. I understood Nagisa's death there was a point behind it in giving up her life she created some precious Ushio who later becomes Tomoya's saving grace. To kill her now i feel would be unnecessary and contrived. These are my own personal feelings and others surely will feel differently. What more can Tomoya learn by taking away his daughter now? if they are going to do they mind as well kill all his friends, Nagisa's parents (they have had enough grief) and everyone else Tomoya has had contact with. Like i said its my own personal opinion but i think it would shotty and cheap writing ok thats not fair. But any health problem Nagisa had would be passed on to Ushio and then there is a hospital thing built in a certain location.
I guess i should just assume that there wont be happy ending that way if there is a happy ending i can be pleasantly surprised and if not then my expectations were already low.
I just hope this series ends with a realistic ending, not some crappy magical ending.
I know it's kinda stupid to ask for a realistic ending with a series where cats can
become humans, spooky lights appear all over the place, theres another world,
and stuff like that.
It would kill the series for me, I know some people love this kind of things but not me.
Leo_Otaku
2009-03-02, 21:35
If you haven't already known KEY uses magical elements in like all their works you are an idiot.
aystee18
2009-03-02, 22:11
Refreshing, Happy, Nostalgic, Sad, Botan, Yay Fuko and Worry are the best words suited for the episode. Is it just me or are the Clannad eps happy at first then end up with a cliffhanger or a sad part (a slap in my face in this ep T_T). That is what makes this anime so damn good apart from the other ones.
I just hope this series ends with a realistic ending, not some crappy magical ending.
I know it's kinda stupid to ask for a realistic ending with a series where cats can
become humans, spooky lights appear all over the place, theres another world,
and stuff like that.
It would kill the series for me, I know some people love this kind of things but not me.
Realistic ending eh? Clannad has events that are realistic and relates to people's lives hence the genre slice of life. Clannad is also full of supernatural happenings such as lights (they're not spooky!) and as you said, cats that turn into humans, which make the story a bit more interesting, and the illusionary world, which for me holds a deep meaning that might possibly connect somewhere in the story, somehow. Even magical endings are very, very good with a lot of emotion and passion, which, we can all agree, Clannad has lots of. If you mean someone casting Fire Bolt or shouting out their super cool weapons (Fate reference :D) as a magical ending, I'm pretty sure Clannad won't end that way. Either way, im sure that the ending will not disappoint, unless its a bad ending... That would depress me...
SnackPacs
2009-03-03, 01:21
*sigh* I just teared up instantly as soon as Dango Daikazoku started playing, it was impossible to stop.
It's just not fair... Nagisa and Tomoya deserve to have that happy little family they wanted so badly and yet he's there without the one he wants to share the experience the most with.
Perfect episode in my book and the decent chunk of comic relief was a nice, BIG breather from the previous episodes...
But of course, the episode preview... Fantastic. Let's see, Air had a bittersweet ending, Kanon had one as well... I have no belief whatsoever we can expect the same. *rolls eyes*
Either way, I don't think it'll ever be as painful as Air was however. The story has been particularly good at getting me to emit quite a bit of emotion but... Bleh, nothing will be as painfully heartwrenching as Air was... I've managed to quit crying after episodes of Clannad end, but I cried from the middle to the end and then a good ten minutes after AIR finished.
Still, 3 to go...
Expecting realism from a series where comatose girls send their ghosts in school? Where the suit case of dead parents made out through a plane crash and somehow made it to their daughter because people from all corners of the world suddenly have a bit of solidarity? Come on. If anything, Clannad in tone is close to Forrest Gump with a bit of magic in the mix.
And before someone jump their gun, I'll add that I don't mean Forrest Gump's epic journey, I mean this faith in what good have humans and the world even though some things appears to be downright ugly and cruel.
Justin Kim
2009-03-03, 07:12
Seeing her was awesome. And I had a horrible feeling as Ushio walked outside by herself. I was like "Ushio, noooo!" And I too, hate the episode titles, especially after what happened at the end and Tomoya's narration in the preview. :(
I hope your right.. but I don't think so. :(
Does that mean Tomoya's existence in the very world doesn't actually exist? :confused: Or is it that the two worlds have some relation to each other. Like the imaginary world affects the real world in terms of action.
blitz1/2
2009-03-03, 13:17
nuclear tights FTW! OKAZAKI'S THE BEST!! (boom!)
destiny4everlove
2009-03-03, 16:24
Episode 20
-Ushio trying to eat with chopsticks was so adorable. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi00.gif And she reminded me of myself very much, because I’m just like her when trying to eat with chopsticks.:blush::heehee:
-Tomoya and Ushio saying “I’m going” to Nagisa’s picture was so touching. Nagisa!!!!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif
- I truly love how Nagisa, even though she is not alive anymore, is a very strong presence in the series.
-Stew?!! :twitch: It’s that Botan?!!! :twitch: He is so big now!
-As many of us suspected, Kyou is Ushio’s teacher. It was nice to see Kyou again. :)
-Loved how Sanae had so much faith that Tomoya would eventually start acting like Ushio’s dad that she asked Kyou not to tell anything to Ushio. Sanae is such a wonderful person. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-096.gif
-And we finally have a very reasonable explanation regarding the absence of Tomoya’ s high school friends during those five years. It was nice to find out they were all very worried about Tomoya. :)
-Maybe it’s just me but it seemed to me Kyou still has a "special place" for Tomoya in her heart...
-Oh no!!! Ushio is walking outside her house all alone!!http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/sadno.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I wonder where she is going.
-She went to the hospital!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-040.gif Nagisa’s saving place!!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-040.gif
-The song that played during those scenes was so beautiful!!http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/cloud9.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
-Oh amazing dango song, you still have such a powerful effect on me!!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif Another beautiful moment courtesy of the amazing dango song. Ushio asking to be sang the dango song, Tomoya singing it to her, Nagisa’s picture, the image that all Nagisa x Tomoya fans wanted to see (which btw I loved it so much), happy family scene, and last but not least the tear in Tomoya’s eye; all of those scenes really touched my heart. I loved every bit of that part of the episode so much!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi01.gif
-Even Fuko’s shoes have starfishes on them. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/xD-075.GIF
-Tomoya and Fuko fighting over Ushio was so cute and funny!!!!! ::heehee::smile:
-Tomoya getting sad when Ushio said she liked Fuko and cheering right up when he heard that Ushio wanted to stay with him was so sweet!!!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/japanese-053.gif
-Starfish bread made by Furowaka-san!! :twitch: Please, let it be Akio’s!!
-Ushio was fine after eating it so I guess it was Akio’s indeed! :heh:
-“You had an alien as your wife?!” “ Fuko is not an alien” “Fuko is an average earthling”. Fuko’s lines were priceless. :heh:
-Fuko and Tomoya’s conversation about how the world would end because of them was hilarious!http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/xD-075.GIF
-Fuko’s twisting and misunderstanding Tomoya’s words was so cute and funny. :heehee:
-The scene of Nagisa playing cards with Tomoya and Ushio, and the happy-family picture was so moving!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif Nagisa!!!!!! http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi32.gif
-Ushio telling about her mommy, Tomoya remembering Nagisa and getting tears in his eyes really broke my heart!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi04.gif
-Fuko trying to kidnap Ushio and warning Tomoya to be careful when he goes to bed was priceless.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/xD-075.GIF
-Botan is a she?!!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-019.gif That was a huge surprise for me!
-Tomoya practicing for the school sports event reminded of how much he practiced when he was going to ask for Nagisa’s hand. It was such a bittersweet moment for me.
-It seems Nagisa’s saving place is calling to Ushio. I wonder what the reason for that is. I’m so curious about that.http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi34-1.gif
-Tomoya practicing so hard to look good in front of his daughter was so sweet and amazing. :)http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Manga/devil-026.gif
-Nooooo!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi31.gif Ushio is sick and has a fever!!! :( Why do I have a really bad feeling about this? :upset:
Tempester
2009-03-04, 09:50
-Botan is a she?!!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-019.gif That was a huge surprise for me!
I think Botan's gender is never stated. The Japanese language makes it much easier to not use gender-specific pronouns and still sound natural. People translating Clannad interpret Botan's gender whichever way they like. Eclipse decided to cal Botan a "she".
-Nooooo!!http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/tina_0205/monkey%20emoticon/khi31.gif Ushio is sick and has a fever!!! :( Why do I have a really bad feeling about this? :upset:
Because Ushio is a sick girl in a Key game/anime.
Terracotta
2009-03-04, 12:54
Ever since episode 16 this anime has been such a depressing emotional roller coaster. It's such a good show though but man... at this point I could probably watch Grave of the Fireflies and come back more cheerful.
Perhaps oddly though I feel most sorry for Akio and Sanae. They gave up everything, ie their dreams, and lost absolutely everything, even Ushio to Tomoya in a sense. In a way they have become this unspoken tragedy with only a brief view into it when Sanae breaks down in episode 19.
destiny4everlove
2009-03-04, 16:01
I think Botan's gender is never stated. The Japanese language makes it much easier to not use gender-specific pronouns and still sound natural. People translating Clannad interpret Botan's gender whichever way they like. Eclipse decided to cal Botan a "she".
Thank you for the info Tempester! Ah…mmm…so this means Botan’s gender is unknown even in the visual novel?
ShatteredSkys
2009-03-04, 18:20
To be honest, im kinda scared right now.
It seems it became usual in Clannad to turn from the happy story into the terrible drama.
Well , let's see how they gonna end the series. :(
Spectacular_Insanity
2009-03-05, 01:07
Wow... I never commented on this episode? Weird. I could have sworn I did. Anyway, I saw this episode a while ago and I have to say the part where Tomoya sang the dango song to Ushio almost killed me, it was so sweet.
And Ushio'll be fine. I had scarlet fever when I was five and I was absolutely fine afterwards. Ushio isn't like Nagisa, and she doesn't get sick all the time. EVERYONE gets sick sometimes. Obviously they're worried, Tomoya especially since Ushio is Nagisa's legacy, but I think he's overreacting a bit. I mean, she won't die from getting a cold. Seriously now. It's funny how Key's mellowdrama can turn a little fever into a life-or-death situation.
And Ushio'll be fine. I had scarlet fever when I was five and I was absolutely fine afterwards. Ushio isn't like Nagisa, and she doesn't get sick all the time. EVERYONE gets sick sometimes. Obviously they're worried, Tomoya especially since Ushio is Nagisa's legacy, but I think he's overreacting a bit. I mean, she won't die from getting a cold. Seriously now. It's funny how Key's mellowdrama can turn a little fever into a life-or-death situation.
There's a difference between the real world and KEY's universe, unfortunately. In their worlds, I've learned that sicknesses are never to be taken lightly...
Kyou with ponytail win superbly XD
owh... it is possible too for Ushio to get the same disease like Nagisa... Y_Y
panzerfan
2009-03-05, 09:42
It is officially confirmed that Clannad Afterstory has 2 more episodes and one more extra story bit coming, leaving episode 22 the last episode of the series chronologically speaking. Please don't make any early conclusion from this notice.
Spectacular_Insanity
2009-03-05, 10:04
There's a difference between the real world and KEY's universe, unfortunately. In their worlds, I've learned that sicknesses are never to be taken lightly...
Yeah, unfortunately I gotta give you that one...
Just watch this episode :
First : Great episode , Ushio was cute , specially with Botan ^^
We saw Kyou :) she's now Ushio's teacher , well its good ^^
Second : Fuko's part was hilarious XD specially when she left with Ushio but Tomoya stopped her OMG LMAO . start at 16:48 XD
And wtf , don't tell me Ushio have the same illness like Nagisa .... dunno why she love the hospital ... maybe she will be like Nagisa ...
Next : The return of Tomoya's sadness ...
(nota : Tomoya can go out with someone else , Kyou ? :p )
Aza-oniichan
2009-03-10, 12:04
What would you do if you see a black boar with his pointed teeth waiting in front of your house?
The boar said "Gov Gov" in front of you despite your expression
While ushio choose to play with it, I choose to run and call a cop! >_<
Anyway DONT PICK any stocking lying in the ground unless you want to see world in chaos
Ah about tomoya is going out with someone else, you may want to play "Tomoyo After". With tomoyo anything could happen! its just funny to imagine "Fuko After". What will happen when fuko going out with tomoya?? i said its comedy ^^
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