Claymore Chapter 89

[Skyfall]

Welcome to the monthly discussion thread for Claymore, Chapter 89.

The thread was created before the chapter was published. Usually false spoilers start to appear early so (naturally) people always need a place to discuss them.

Thread Guidelines
Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
The Claymore manga is licensed by Viz so questions about scanlations or answers about scanlation are not allowed. Remember that AnimeSuki does not enable downloading of any licensed anime or manga.
Discuss your expectations of the chapter if it has not been published yet.
Be polite to your fellow forum members.
Please try to keep the discussion on topic.
Spoilers will not be policed in this thread, so if you haven't read the chapter yet, just stay out if you don't want to read spoilers.

[PureYoki]

The only spoiler (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2242661&postcount=675) so far.

[Snider]

There's more war when a new chapter spoiler is released than in the manga itself XD

[Gangsta Spanksta]

What does ZAC stands for? (I took a break for more than a month...^^)

By the way the idiot who wrote that disgusting fake spoiler said Yagi's taking a break and chapter 90 is on the May issue which means early April, didn't seem to realize that April is next month...

ZACS = Zombie Amazon Claymore Strippers, which is a way to say Abyssal Eater or Feeder that was developed partly by various people before the official name for the ZACS came out. Some of us like it better than the official name, but if the current spoiler is true :P then we gotta figure out a way to add Borg to it. Maybe BZACS pronounces Bee Zacks? :)

[FragrantFlora]

Is it coming out real soon?

[konart]

two days from now, or so.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

There's more war when a new chapter spoiler is released than in the manga itself XD

Actually, usually, people don't have this much problem with a spoiler. The way spoilers and chapters have been coming out though has changed recently. We used to get 3 fake spoilers and 1 real spoiler, then the Chinese scans, then the Japanese raw, and then the English scans. Now things aren't that predictable anymore. We even got the Japanese raws before the Chinese scanlation before or any spoiler. This spoiler seems to be contradictory from what the previous chapters have said so far. For example, we just been told 11 ZACS for 11 of Isley's army that went to the east. This spoiler contradicts this and many other things.

[Newhope]

From what my friends telling me the chapter should be out tonight or in thr morning at the latest.

[hell88]

The only spoiler (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2242661&postcount=675) so far.

If this spoiler is true, their won't be any Claymore next month!:uhoh::twitch::(

[dantyx]

If this spoiler is true, their won't be any Claymore next month!

You are right .......................its fake

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Not necessarily, before this spoiler even came out, there was talk about Yagi going on vacation to Europe to sightsee Castles.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

:twitch: And why does Hell constantly moon me?

[PureYoki]

If this spoiler is true, their won't be any Claymore next month!:uhoh::twitch::(

and oh yeah, next scene will be on the May issue of magazine, which publishes early April, so no Claymore next month if this spoiler is true T_T.

Next month is April. :twitch:

[Newhope]

Not necessarily, before this spoiler even came out, there was talk about Yagi going on vacation to Europe to sightsee Castles.

I think that break was the one he took early last year.

[hell88]

I think that break was the one he took early last year.

Unless this is a yearly break for him.

[Jonova]

If this spoiler is true, their won't be any Claymore next month!:uhoh::twitch::(

Actually that is not true, it was very stupid of me when I said that.

When I read the "returns on May issue" inside the spoiler for the first time my mind went like this: May Issue -> releases in April -> it is Feb right now(it was still feb when I read the spoiler) -> Feb to April is 2 months -> no Claymore for the month inbetween.

But in fact 89 will be on April Issue which is the one coming in a few days, and 90 will be on next month's issue.

Sorry about the confusion and heart breaks:heh:

[MisterJB]

I think that this April issue almost confirms that this spoiler is true.

Gangsta: ZACS are my faithful servants:heh:

[hell88]

Actually that is not true, it was very stupid of me when I said that.

When I read the "returns on May issue" inside the spoiler I mind went May Issue = releases in April -> it is Feb right now(it was still feb when I read the spoiler) -> Feb to April is 2 months -> no Claymore for the month inbetween. But the in fact 89 will be on April Issue which is the one coming in a few days, and 90 will be on next month's issue.

Sorry about the confusion and heart breaks:heh:

Well I feel much better now.:D Only one thing Jonova, it's March right now.:p:heh:

[Gangsta Spanksta]

:D On the account that this evil spoiler might be true, I say: let's shoot the messenger. :D

[Bikerider]

crud sticks... I want fake spoilers. Not spoilers that could be real. The more outlandish the better. Things like Clare and Riful teaming up to kill Prissy and then Clare fully awakening just in time to save Miria and team from Alicia and the ZACs !!! Things like that.

[Sleepy Speculator]

fake spoiler
The entirety of the org marches en masse to overwhelm the dissidents in the west because Miria threatens to destroy their supply of tea and scones, thus cleverly falling into a trap a literal one in that it's a pit full of rabid giant rabbits

[Negativedark]

No, it'sRaphcellia awkens. She has a valley girl mentallity and her name is Betty.

[clarakiss~]

if yagi-sensei decides to get rid of isley this early, he'll just be shootin' himself in the foot. unless he is planning a much bigger role for raki to fill in isley's shoes by being priscilla's knight. :)

[Sleepy Speculator]

yagi can always regenerate that lost foot, and isley has hoofs not shoes...

[Fenrir_valindri]

As much as I like Isley as a bad-guy, I don't think he was particularly being nice to Priscilla + Raki for selfless reasons, and I have a feeling they didn't exactly part on good terms, but that remains to be seen.


I would be rather surprised if Isley actually died this chapter.

[Arkham]

If the spoiler is true, then hell88 is gonna Dance with Isley :p

"Let me tell you a story to chill the bones..." Maiden rules:D

[hell88]

If the spoiler is true, then hell88 is gonna Dance with Isley :p

"Let me tell you a story to chill the bones..." Maiden rules:D

And all the others that died too.:p

"But I'll never go dancing no more
'Till I dance with the dead...":D

[Youtuber]

Since February was a short month we're waiting until the 4th or 5th for the release I assume?

[Freya]

There's still tons of stuff to do. Sooner or later though, Yagi is going to start transitioning to the main island and stuff.

[Negativedark]

Assuming the Mainland actually exists.

[yezhanquan]

If the mainland doesn't exist, then we need more explanation. Seriously, this series is wearing out my patience.

[Freya]

Assuming the Mainland actually exists.

Why would it not exist? It's canon. The characters themselves confirmed it.

If it doesn't exist, then there's like only a few arcs left. Depends I guess if Yagi wants to prolong Claymore. Not like he has any serious stress like the weekly manga authors.

[Negativedark]

No, Miria speculated that it existed, and Rubel "confirmed" it. There has yet to be any solid evidince it exists. I want it to, but right now there is no guarentee that what whe know about it is accurate.

[iLney]

Where is the scan? :confused:

Even the Chinese on Baidu started to whine about the delay.... (I can't read Chinese but I can guess it :D )

[Synyster]

Oh god... I hope that first spoiler isn't real.

[dantyx]

what??:confused:

Isley killed by the AE? that just dumb:frustrated:

i hope its all fake ........

[Gangsta Spanksta]

No, Miria speculated that it existed, and Rubel "confirmed" it. There has yet to be any solid evidince it exists. I want it to, but right now there is no guarentee that what whe know about it is accurate.

The Claymores, as in the swords, were the confirmation.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Where is the scan? :confused:

Even the Chinese on Baidu started to whine about the delay.... (I can't read Chinese but I can guess it :D )

Even the Chinese on Baidu said it was a bad spoiler... (I can't read Chinese but I can guess it XD)

[Freya]

The Claymores, as in the swords, were the confirmation.

Yeah thanks lol. Was waiting for someone else to help out.

You can't get anymore confirmation....than that without showing it.

[Sleepy Speculator]

That's provided the swords aren't the result of shape modulation by an Ab. That's definetely gotta be an unknown mineral.

[Cyclone]

The chinese are really slow this month. It's starting to concern me.

[Negativedark]

The Claymores, as in the swords, were the confirmation.

Well they prove that there's somewhere that you can make those swords that Miria couldn't find. Eventually we'll find out.

Maybe the chapters late because this month was Yagi's vacation? If so look on the bright side, then the spoiler is definitly fake:D.

[little_angel]

i hope this chapter is about Clare and Rufil ^^ ..

coz we dont know what happened 2 renee ..

or about AE and Isley ^^ ..

[Gangsta Spanksta]

That's provided the swords aren't the result of shape modulation by an Ab. That's definetely gotta be an unknown mineral.

:twitch: Shape Modulation?

[crazy_child]

I think the spoiler (actually the only one posted in here) is fake, because its hard to imagine Isley resisting these 7 years, and suddenly loosing like this.

[zato_1one]

LOL It will be quite amusing if there is no chapter this month. All of those previous arguments are for nothing. :heh:

[cloud_s]

I think the spoiler (actually the only one posted in here) is fake, because its hard to imagine Isley resisting these 7 years, and suddenly loosing like this.

but according to the spoilers, they gain experience from fighting. not that i want the spoilers to be true or anything

[evil_kenshin]

but according to the spoilers, they gain experience from fighting. not that i want the spoilers to be true or anything

But this spoiler and the previous chapter contradict each other

were told in 88 there are only 11 abysall feeders, yet according to this spoiler theres more.

Either yagi forgot something he did only a month ago, or this spoiler is fake lol

[Ancient Soul]

That's provided the swords aren't the result of shape modulation by an Ab. That's definetely gotta be an unknown mineral.

The Swords are sculpted from a DOD teeth!
They are pieces of art! :cool:

If not rather than being manufactured they are growed like carrots! :D

[Fate T. Harlaown]

But this spoiler and the previous chapter contradict each other

were told in 88 there are only 11 abysall feeders, yet according to this spoiler theres more.

Either yagi forgot something he did only a month ago, or this spoiler is fake lol

Nice point. I hope the spoilers are fake. Isley having such death would be weird...
By the way, I want to know if Dietrich will join the group or not... Or if she'll just act like a spy in the group :confused:

[Gangsta Spanksta]

:twitch: Peter Rabbit stealing carroty claymores out of Rubel's garden?

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Nice point. I hope the spoilers are fake. Isley having such death would be weird...
By the way, I want to know if Dietrich will join the group or not... Or if she'll just act like a spy in the group :confused:

It is probably author's intent to have you wonder about Dietrich. It'll be good either way.

[Jonova]

a bit of new information,

the name of scene 89 has been revealed: 《見果てぬ夢》 or "Dreams that couldn't not be fulfilled".
I think the Chinese scanlation is in work already and should be released in couple hours.


http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/claymore_ds_game_info.jpg

[Sleepy Speculator]

@gansta

ah sorry i was just poking fun, what i should have said is even an idiot like Duff can make incredibly hard unidentifiable 'rods' out of his flesh which technically are magiced out of nowhere since they seem to have some weird way of making stuff without losing mass, or actually magically gaining huge amounts of mass for that matter. It would only take one Ab captive and making sword like appendages for the org to obtain magically hard thunderbolt iron style swords. Isley has demonstated an ability to make weapons of choice, and Duff has shown that his rods were dense enough to smash his own face. It wouldn't be such a huge jump to imagine the reason why Miria can't find the material in question.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

@gansta

ah sorry i was just poking fun, what i should have said is even an idiot like Duff can make incredibly hard unidentifiable 'rods' out of his flesh which technically are magiced out of nowhere since they seem to have some weird way of making stuff without losing mass, or actually magically gaining huge amounts of mass for that matter. It would only take one Ab captive and making sword like appendages for the org to obtain magically hard thunderbolt iron style swords. Isley has demonstated an ability to make weapons of choice, and Duff has shown that his rods were dense enough to smash his own face. It wouldn't be such a huge jump to imagine the reason why Miria can't find the material in question.

Need not violate the laws of physics ;) and be magicked, since after all, energy can be converted to matter, theoretically at least. Then again :) talking about Physics and Anime at the same time...

[hell88]

a bit of new information,

the name of scene 89 has been revealed: 《見果てぬ夢》 or "Dreams that couldn't not be fulfilled".
I think the Chinese scanlation is in work already and should be released in couple hours.


http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/jonovax/claymore_ds_game_info.jpg


Thanks for the info!:)

[Vinak]

the conversion from energy to mass would undoubtedly be very draining to an AB. unless of course we enter a manga world where we are surrounded by women that never age who carry big swords in suggestive uniforms.

[Newhope]

I've seen a few pages I should get the full chapter in a few hours, from what my friend saying the chapter should be out early tomorrow morning.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

@Newhope: So the few pages you seen, do they support the latest, unpopular, spoiler?

[Cheese Ninja]

You can't actually post raws here, but yes, it is out. Although, oddly enough, I managed to get the Japanese raw off a chinese site just before I came across that scan of it.

Poor Isley.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Woah! Some of the Zombie Amazon Claymore Strippers actually stripped! :D Nice shots of their behinds.

[tunjee01]

could someone pls pm me the link.

[Kikoto]

Really didn't expect that,powerfull allmighty Isley defeated like that,still he got what he deserved.
So we have one Abyssal out of the way but still compared to Priscilla he was a weakling.
Now story should pick up,Alice/Beth,bunch of AEs,Riful,maybe awakened Raphaela hybrid,Clare group,Raki plus Priscilla,Helen group,all going into the same direction it seems,and we still have Miria on bench.
Still I think the only one who could be on level terms in power to Priscilla is fully awakened Clare,which I hope to see soon.
And I suppose that will be Island story final battle,I wonder if story would go after to Mainland with current cast and Clare as main character(well this is rather only character which we know won't die in future battles).
Really this will be sweet showdown,wonder who will fight with who first in next chapters.
Maybe Priscilla will go berserk feeling Isley's death.

[MisterJB]

Woah! Some of the Zombie Amazon Claymore Strippers actually stripped! :D Nice shots of their behinds.

You got that right:D


Isley is the man! He killed five of them. The coolest Awakened Being ever.
Rest in peace, Silver King:(:(

(yes I'm really sad right now)
(it's curious how I can feel sad just because the guy who is responsible for the deaths of 17 Claymores, including Jean and Flora, got what was coming to him)

[Fate T. Harlaown]

It seems the spoilers were right :upset:

[Gangsta Spanksta]

It looks like the spoiler was right about the fall of Isley, and there is some conversation going on at the Org. Rubel is there, so it should be interesting. That was an awesome fight: I like the part where Isley kicks a zombie's head off with his hoof. The sure did devour him quickly. Anyway, no need for spoilers tags, this is a Chapter 89 thread after all. :D

[iLney]

This doesn't make any sense!

[MisterJB]

I'm going to be so happy when Riful gets eaten.

[OliverTwist]

It was fairly obvious to me that Isley was getting set up to die. With all the revelations about the DoDs and whatever that thing Riful is creating, not to mention Priscilla, he's not really that strong in the overall scheme anymore. He was more of a halftime boss. He had his moment of glory killing off almost half the claymore and an AB already.

[MisterJB]

It was fairly obvious to me that Isley was getting set up to die. With all the revelations about the DoDs and whatever that thing Riful is creating, not to mention Priscilla, he's not really that strong in the overall scheme anymore. He was more of a halftime boss. He had his moment of glory killing off almost half the claymore and an AB already.

For all we know, he was the second most powerful being in the Claymore Universe at the moment.

I hope Raciella is going to kill all those AEs

[Gangsta Spanksta]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6796/zacks1.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zacks1.jpg)

:naughty:

[Gangsta Spanksta]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7736/zacks2.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zacks2.jpg)

[MisterJB]

well, we all have to die and surrounded by naked girls is certainly the best way

[Gangsta Spanksta]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6981/zacks3.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zacks3.jpg)

this is my personal favorite moment in this chapter :D

[Gooral]

Didn't expect this spoiler to become true... I just couldn't believe that the most powerful male we know would be killed so easily. Well, there were too many actors on the stage, someone had to go but Isley? Now it turns out that MiB have the ultimate weapon and can kill even Abyssals. I don't think even Priscilla could defeat all zombies. Her main asset was that she had humongous amounts of youki and could regenerate instantly but facing almost immortal opponents and what's worse - indefatigable ones, even her shouldn't be able to survive. Still, Clare and Miria will probably find a way to defeat them.
It reminds me of Dragon Ball. Just when I thought that there can't be anyone stronger than Freezer we've met Cell and Bubu. In Claymore Abyssals were at the top, then Priscilla appeared and now zombies. Who's next?
Nonetheless chapter is interesting and most certainly I'll like it more when I know what they're talking about :).

[Gangsta Spanksta]

well, we all have to die and surrounded by naked girls is certainly the best way

And the great thing about zombie girls is that they want you for your brains. :heh:

:upset: I just Realized something, Yagi just mooned me with a horse's behind! :frustrated:

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Didn't expect this spoiler to become true... I just couldn't believe that the most powerful male we know would be killed so easily. Well, there were too many actors on the stage, someone had to go but Isley? Now it turns out that MiB have the ultimate weapon and can kill even Abyssals. I don't think even Priscilla could defeat all zombies. Her main asset was that she had humongous amounts of youki and could regenerate instantly but facing almost immortal opponents and what's worse - indefatigable ones, even her shouldn't be able to survive. Still, Clare and Miria will probably find a way to defeat them.
It reminds me of Dragon Ball. Just when I thought that there can't be anyone stronger than Freezer we've met Cell and Bubu. In Claymore Abyssals were at the top, then Priscilla appeared and now zombies. Who's next?
Nonetheless chapter is interesting and most certainly I'll like it more when I know what they're talking about :).

Priscilla could defeat them the same way she defeated Isley, IMO. I envision 11 ash spots circling Priscilla if they had tried this with her. Although, she is weakened now thanks to Raki's moral stance.

[MisterJB]

Didn't expect this spoiler to become true... I just couldn't believe that the most powerful male we know would be killed so easily. Well, there were too many actors on the stage, someone had to go but Isley? Now it turns out that MiB have the ultimate weapon and can kill even Abyssals. I don't think even Priscilla could defeat all zombies. Her main asset was that she had humongous amounts of youki and could regenerate instantly but facing almost immortal opponents and what's worse - indefatigable ones, even her shouldn't be able to survive. Still, Clare and Miria will probably find a way to defeat them.
It reminds me of Dragon Ball. Just when I thought that there can't be anyone stronger than Freezer we've met Cell and Bubu. In Claymore Abyssals were at the top, then Priscilla appeared and now zombies. Who's next?
Nonetheless chapter is interesting and most certainly I'll like it more when I know what they're talking about :).

I don't think so. If Isley had known about the heads from the beginning (i think he didn't) he could have killed them all. Five in this chapter, three in the previous one and with only four AEs they couldn't have defeated him

Let's see how many AEs Riful can kill.
I'm betting 4. Who covers it?

[Kikoto]

Zombies aren't such strong,they just have to be killed properly right away in the head.
If Isley would go with such strategy from start and he would be fully restored he would have chance to kill all of them.
At least our claymores know how to handle them(if Helen group will meet Clare fast enough),but now Miria,Clare and others would have to awaken fully to be able to keep up in further fights,but I wonder about that if our renegade group killed number 2 Awakened one so easily.
And I really hope that future extermination of Duf and Raki will happen soon,maybe Duf in fight with Alice,and Raki killed of by berserk Priscilla on Clare eyes which would lead for her fully awakening.
That would be nice reunion moment.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Helen may have weakened Isley just enough on this encounter for him to fail to escape to another town and regenerate.

[MisterJB]

wow, i'm speechless. Isley to die in such fashion is really a shame. Now the only substancial males in claymore world are raki and duff x_x
I wonder if those AE ZACS can "awaken" considering that they are hybrids like regular claymores. Will the org create some new powerful ZAC with Isley's flesh? Zacs sure are fast eaters.

I doubt that they left anything big enough to create an AE and if they need an organ...there is no chance then

[Gangsta Spanksta]

wow, i'm speechless. Isley to die in such fashion is really a shame. Now the only substancial males in claymore world are raki and duff x_x
I wonder if those AE ZACS can "awaken" considering that they are hybrids like regular claymores. Will the org create some new powerful ZAC with Isley's flesh? Zacs sure are fast eaters.

:twitch: You want males in Claymore? :p If it were up to me, they all be girls, girls, girls. :D Even Rubel would be a girl. :heh:

[Mangaloid]

Rubel as a girl. *shivers*

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Zombies aren't such strong,they just have to be killed properly right away in the head.
If Isley would go with such strategy from start and he would be fully restored he would have chance to kill all of them.
At least our claymores know how to handle them(if Helen group will meet Clare fast enough),but now Miria,Clare and others would have to awaken fully to be able to keep up in further fights,but I wonder about that if our renegade group killed number 2 Awakened one so easily.
And I really hope that future extermination of Duf and Raki will happen soon,maybe Duf in fight with Alice,and Raki killed of by berserk Priscilla on Clare eyes which would lead for her fully awakening.
That would be nice.

7 Ghosts vs. 11 ZACS -- I pick the ghosts. :D

[Gooral]

@Kikoto and MisterJB
Yeah, if. If it was that easy to hit them in the head I think he would have. The problem was they were pretty good at evading critical hits. IMO, the reason he didn't run was because he was exhausted, in weakend state and knew he doesn't stand a chance anyway. He didn't want to drag Priscilla into this, couldn't find Riful to make her help him so he killed as many of them as he could and died in a fight. Probably this wasn't the first time he faced them so I think he knew their weak spots.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

@Kikoto and MisterJB
Yeah, if. If it was that easy to hit them in the head I think he would have. The problem was they were pretty good at evading critical hits. IMO, the reason he didn't run was because he was exhausted, in weakend state and knew he doesn't stand a chance anyway. He didn't want to drag Priscilla into this, couldn't find Riful to make her help him so he killed as many of them as he could and died in a fight. Probably this wasn't the first time he faced them so I think he knew their weak spots.

Yeah, I think you're right. I think regeneration, even in human form, uses more energy than many of us had suspected. The major regeneration he had to do while fighting Helen could've been his reserves for getting away. I notice he stopped regnerating once he was in Abyssal form, so he either didn't have enough time, or didn't have enough energy left. Regenerating in Abyssal form might be harder than in human form.

Here is an interesting theory: People have been puzzled, perplexed, about why Isley was using so much yoki, waves of the stuff, when Helen and Deneve first came to town. Perhaps, he was just finishing up healing himself from a recent encounter with the ZACS. Dietrich was surprised that the ZACS were back in action so soon. So, maybe, Isley had just faught them very recently, then used a lot of energy to heal himself, then fought with Helen and Deneve and used a lot of energy regenerating, before the ZACS showed up again.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

It seems that Alicia and co are headed toward Riful's lair. I wonder what role would Alicia/Beth play in annihilating riful. Why did they not send her against Isley aswell? (all according to that one spoiler) xD

All that leaves me wondering what those pilled claymores/mibs clare and friends dispatched in that town were really looking for.

If Alicia and Beth head towards Riful, then Alicia is likely to fall, with maybe Beth maybe surviving for story purposes. Alicia and Beth is likely to be taken down by Raciella, who will become Riful's child. Riful will likely go down once she betrays her child.

[Kikoto]

I rather think that in a fight between Riful and Alice,Raphaela hybrid will awaken,still I wonder what power that girl will bring,one of top Claymores and Abyssal One joined together,maybe adding to this Raphaela body awakening in the process too,scary.
Also Isley was attacking type Claymore right?
So his regeneration abilities were rather poor even in his Awakened state,like that kitty which Clare cut.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Also Isley was attacking type Claymore right?
So his regeneration abilities were rather poor even in his Awakened state,like that kitty which Clare cut.

Which would further support the theory that Helen's fight with him made the difference in this fight, because he regenerated quickly when fighting Helen, who almost took his head off; she was a very little off center.

[Newhope]

I was fairly certain Isley was a dead man he just didn't really have a part to play in the story anymore.

My question is now that the zac have killed him what do they do there one single minded goal is finished?

[Vinak]

Claymore has finally jumped the shark for me.
never would have thought it possible.

Edit:
seriously, after finding the raws for myself and looking over them. I am really pissed off over this development.
this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

year worth of waiting for monthly releases wasted.
Get these retard zombies out of my claymore kthxbi

[Newhope]

Yeah, I think you're right. I think regeneration, even in human form, uses more energy than many of us had suspected. The major regeneration he had to do while fighting Helen could've been his reserves for getting away. I notice he stopped regnerating once he was in Abyssal form, so he either didn't have enough time, or didn't have enough energy left. Regenerating in Abyssal form might be harder than in human form.

Here is an interesting theory: People have been puzzled, perplexed, about why Isley was using so much yoki, waves of the stuff, when Helen and Deneve first came to town. Perhaps, he was just finishing up healing himself from a recent encounter with the ZACS. Dietrich was surprised that the ZACS were back in action so soon. So, maybe, Isley had just faught them very recently, then used a lot of energy to heal himself, then fought with Helen and Deneve and used a lot of energy regenerating, before the ZACS showed up again.

I've always thought regeneration used lots of yoki, that theory came to me not long after the fight in the slashers arc when the AB regenerated his arms after Helen and Deneve cut them off yet couldn't when Claire cut them off.

[Kikoto]

I was fairly certain Isley was a dead man he just didn't really have a part to play in the story anymore.

My question is now that the zac have killed him what do they do there one single minded goal is finished?

I think they will return to Organisation base like good dogs return to their master after killing their prey on hunting.
Now I wonder if Organisation have a piece of Riful or Priscilla body.
Also it seems Rubel is a bit of suprised near the end,so maybe dispatching Alice/Beth on Riful was something he didn't know.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I was fairly certain Isley was a dead man he just didn't really have a part to play in the story anymore.

My question is now that the zac have killed him what do they do there one single minded goal is finished?

I predicted that Isley was the next to go for that very reason. There are too many big players, and someone had to go. I think Next the org will be overconfident and attack Riful, which will prove to be a fatal mistake, and Alicia will be destroyed by Raciella. I wonder how Clare and Co. is going to fit into this, since I didn't expect Alicia to show up, if what has been said is true. Perhaps it would be best for Clare and Co. to show up after the battle. As for the ZACS, I think they only hungered after Isley. I thought it would be a good scene to show them in the ruins of a city, howling out of a hunger that shall never be fed.

Claymore has finally jumped the shark for me.
never would have thought it possible.

How so? We don't know if any of the inconsistencies we saw in this spoiler will be there or won't be explained logically. I have faith in yagi. Wait for the English Translation, I say, before condemning this chapter. Isley was a great character, and I still want to know how the split between him and Prissy happened, maybe that is in next chapter.

[Cheese Ninja]

I really don't want Raciela to be an evil gut eating monster. Am I the only one that feels that would ruin Rafael's sacrifce?

Maybe the ZACS should be done now that Isley's dead, but the Organization has consistently screwed itself with their past projects.

Did Isley really not figure out until this chapter that he needed to take out the heads? Thought he was smarter than that.

[Vinak]

getting rid of the zacs now would just turn them into one huge Deus ex machina which would just further ruin the story line.

[hell88]

Easley is dead!

@Cheese Ninja: I also think it would ruin Raphaela.

[Weird D]

I just Realized something, Yagi just mooned me with a horse's behind!

ROFL:heh:

I haven't read the scans yet, but I do think Isley's death was a little too fast. So much for being one of the four most powerful creatures known in the Claymore world. In the end, something felt unfinished with him, I can't say what, but he was IMO a rather charismatic character, yet we never knew his past, his plans or his true motivations. Yagi led us to think he was a major player, and killed him off just like that. It almost feels like the beginning of the end for the manga.

Now the balance of power has shifted quite a bit. Riful wanted the awaken the Luciella and Raphaela to match Isley and Priscilla, but that point is now moot. Still, if she does succeed Riful will effectively be the greatest power. According to Dietrich, the AE crave the one flesh they were fed, so the Org would need another set of AE dedicated to hunting Riful. At the same time it seems Yagi is removing the competition in order to leave the Org as the ultimate antagonist.

One thought just struck me, I think Duff will die soon in an attempt to protect Riful either from Alicia or the AE.

[Newhope]

It looks like the prediction that I made about Rafaela and the twins about a year ago may just happen:D

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I really don't want Raciela to be an evil gut eating monster. Am I the only one that feels that would ruin Rafael's sacrifce?

Maybe the ZACS should be done now that Isley's dead, but the Organization has consistently screwed itself with their past projects.

Did Isley really not figure out until this chapter that he needed to take out the heads? Thought he was smarter than that.

Who says that Raciella is going to be a heartless monster. Priscilla is not a heartless monster, nor is she really a bad guy; she is a Greek tragic hero. There is a constant theme in this manga, that of a bond between mother and child, and Raciella could be used to play upon that theme yet again. She can be a totally innocent child like Priscilla, who is being manipulated by Riful at first, and who will eventually kill Riful once betrayed. There is nothing saying that Clare couldn't help pull the Rafaela back out later on.

[Gooral]

(...) According to Dietrich, the AE crave the one flesh they were fed, so the Org would need another set of AE dedicated to hunting Riful. (...)
If MiB are so good they can program their weapons noses then why not their eyes? If they told them to attack anything as big as Isley than Riful wouldn't be safe. The question is can they do it and what happens when zombies eyes aren't stitched.
Even if that was impossible let's remember that zombies attack anyone with youki traces that doesn't remain still and is calmed so invasion of Riful HQ should stir things a bit.

[Anima]

OMG I felt sorry for the bastard! :\
I so want to know what his last thoughts were. Such a painful way to die; eaten alive!

[Newhope]

I don't think the MIB really have control over the ZACs, I think they trained them like they used to train some fighting and hunting dogs which was basically starve them while you keep impressing the sent of the person or animal you want killing then after a while you release them and they doggly hound the victim.

[Stream]

Claymore has finally jumped the shark for me.
never would have thought it possible.

Edit:
seriously, after finding the raws for myself and looking over them. I am really pissed off over this development.
this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

year worth of waiting for monthly releases wasted.
Get these retard zombies out of my claymore kthxbi

To the contrary, I think this is proof positive that Claymore is a good manga. I'm sick and tired of shounen series which take a formulaic approach to all the action where all the big badasses must have their epic climactic battles and have some kind of plot-based invulnerability against pragmatic deaths (unless the pragmatic death follows an epic battle or the character is not really dead but waiting for a dramatic comeback). To a certain extent, it seems that in shounen, characters and plot are typically forbidden from doing what's practical and sensible, and the only rule it follows is the rule of cool. It's why I lost interest in the entire genre on the whole; it would just get stupid. The fact that we do have a series which is willing to treat its cast with a certain realism to it is what kept my interest alive in Claymore so long and it's only been confirmed with this latest development. The only shounen series I even really keep up with these days are Claymore and Soul Eater and that is because they have more realistic character dynamics and they have more pragmatism to what can happen. If I had Bleach or Dragonball Z in the Claymore world I would have stopped reading it probably the same day I started.

While the whole Abyssal Eaters does seem a bit like it just came right out of nowhere, bear in mind that the way Claymore was set up, the question of "What would happen if you'd fuse a human with an awakened being? Wouldn't they be *REALLY* powerful?" was there right from the beginning and this development confirms it. So, to me, the presence of Abyssal Eaters is quite forgivable.

[MisterJB]

this chapter really showed us how exactly the Ghosts are still far away fom the Abyssals. Helen and Denev were owned by a single AE. ISley killed five of them right after fighting Helen.

If he hadn't attacked Deneve, he would still be alive.

Damn, I'm going to laugh so hard if Rimuto dies by Miria's Claymore. It would be great

[Gooral]

I don't think the MIB really have control over the ZACs, I think they trained them like they used to train some fighting and hunting dogs which was basically starve them while you keep impressing the sent of the person or animal you want killing then after a while you release them and they doggly hound the victim.


Then I would say they're utterly stupid and should die immediately because they'll never learn. Every time they lose control over some powerful weapon they're making even more powerful one...

[iLney]

Snip

How he died is not an issue here. It's the events that lead to his dismal are my greatest disappointment. Like Vinak stated it: they are so damm stupid.

[MisterJB]

Yeah, I think you're right. I think regeneration, even in human form, uses more energy than many of us had suspected. The major regeneration he had to do while fighting Helen could've been his reserves for getting away. I notice he stopped regnerating once he was in Abyssal form, so he either didn't have enough time, or didn't have enough energy left. Regenerating in Abyssal form might be harder than in human form.

Here is an interesting theory: People have been puzzled, perplexed, about why Isley was using so much yoki, waves of the stuff, when Helen and Deneve first came to town. Perhaps, he was just finishing up healing himself from a recent encounter with the ZACS. Dietrich was surprised that the ZACS were back in action so soon. So, maybe, Isley had just faught them very recently, then used a lot of energy to heal himself, then fought with Helen and Deneve and used a lot of energy regenerating, before the ZACS showed up again.

This would contradict that theory that Claymore has lots of coincidences

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I agree with Stream. I like the cruel, harshness of Claymore. I understand that many people liked Isley. I like totally like Riful, but she has to die too, and I would be disappointed if she doesn't. If it wasn't for Raciella being in the story, Riful may have died before Isley.

Anyway, I gotta go to work, but one quick question: Anyone else think that a flashback arc following this episode would be the best way to go? I want to see Clare again, but I now prefer an Arc centered on Isley, Priscilla and Raki before we move back to Clare. It doesn't seem like the split has been explained, but an arc could do that.

[hell88]

I agree with Stream. I like the cruel, harshness of Claymore. I understand that many people liked Isley. I like totally like Riful, but she has to die too, and I would be disappointed if she doesn't. If it wasn't for Raciella being in the story, Riful may have died before Isley.

Anyway, I gotta go to work, but one quick question: Anyone else think that a flashback arc following this episode would be the best way to go? I want to see Clare again, but I now prefer an Arc centered on Isley, Priscilla and Raki before we move back to Clare. It doesn't seem like the split has been explained, but an arc could do that.

Their might be a chapter or two that explains why Raki and Priscilla left Easley.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

This would contradict that theory that Claymore has lots of coincidences

Which is a dumb theory. Even Clare being bandaged over her clothes was premeditated. I see Yagi as carefully planning everything.

[Gooral]

I wonder how many ZACS can be produced from Isley's leftovers (if there are any ]:->).

[PureYoki]

Alicia and Beth is likely to be taken down by Raciella, who will become Riful's child.

Why do you think Raciella will have a child's mind? She has a dual-core processor. :D

So these AEs are not that tough after all, they overwhelm the opposition by numbers, they keep coming and coming until the enemy weakens considerably and can't resist them.

I think sometimes we're overanalyzing things because in the last chapter we tried to find the reasons why Isley didn't/couldn't kill any of them and now five of them died. Dietrich didn't help either, she talked as if there were only 11 of them which were created from 11 ABs. She said AEs would protect their heads at all costs and they would react to sudden movements but Isley smashed the head of an AE with a fast kick. Also Dietrich's explanation about their creation was somewhat misleading, the AEs are totally controllable and it didn't take long to train them to follow another prey.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the explanation of their "collective mind". This is an interesting concept.

[Newhope]

Which is a dumb theory. Even Clare being bandaged over her clothes was premeditated. I see Yagi as carefully planning everything.

Yes and thats why Isleys death maybe a prelude to something else happening.

[itisjustme]

Which is a dumb theory. Even Clare being bandaged over her clothes was premeditated. I see Yagi as carefully planning everything.

Could be that he noticed/got pointed to after the fact and made up an explanation for it. ;)

[Kikoto]

You know if it would be possible to make Abyssal Eater with what remained from Teresa flesh,combined with awakened being flesh,and if that would be controlable then other factions would have mayor problems(well Clare got head into her,but what with the rest of her body,I doubt Organisation would waste flesh/corpse of strongest being in their world so far by puting her into grave so it can decay),I really think we might get a big surprise,zombie Teresa as Queen for Abyssal Eaters,that would stir up a little.

[Vinak]

if that ever happened, i would seriously stop reading claymore. lol

[Weird D]

Just finished the raw.

I really don't know how to qualify Isley's last fight. The closest word to convey it would be 'desperate'. It reminded me of a crippled predator being eaten alive by ants.:sad:. This is a very drastic change compared to the usual battle against an opponent of similar power, I guess that's why it was so disturbing to watch.

Anyway, the state of the town afterwards supports the theory that Isley had been fighting for a while. There were mentions of towns similarly obliterated earlier.

But on a lighter note, just where are the AE putting it all? You saw Isley's size, yet they ate him in one go:confused:. Huh, now I have two disturbing images in my head :
the AE with bloated stomaches picking their teeth and grinning
the AE resting at the Org, in bed due to various levels of indigestion and food poisonning.
Sorry, but I had to try and find some humor after that.

[Gooral]

And just when I thought that after knowing what characters are talking about I would be overjoyed Yagi throws this :/. What is this? Soap opera? Isley changed from cold-hearted bastard to a loving parent?? Teresa I can understand, she had good character from the start (and protected people in her own way) but Isley? What's next, Clare forgetting about her revenge and making up with Priscilla? Or maybe Priscilla sacrificing herself for "greater good"? Blah... Not that I'm some heartless jerk but somehow Claymore in pinkish colour makes me want to puke.

+Borg zombies. Pathetic.

[PureYoki]

To the contrary, I think this is proof positive that Claymore is a good manga. I'm sick and tired of shounen series which take a formulaic approach to all the action where all the big badasses must have their epic climactic battles and have some kind of plot-based invulnerability against pragmatic deaths (unless the pragmatic death follows an epic battle or the character is not really dead but waiting for a dramatic comeback).

So there are people who hate epic battles. :D

I don't know what other people think but I would be pissed off if the org drops a poisonous gas bomb on G7+Miata+Galatea and kills all of them (except Clare) without a fight. Is it feasible? Yes. Does it make sense? Yes. Does it suck? Totally.

Epic moments glorify a manga. Didn't we all enjoy Clare's epic fight against Rigardo? Wasn't it cool when Teresa owned Rosemary or Irene's team?

The name of this manga is Claymore (a sword), there are strong warriors fighting strong monsters. Epic battles are expected in this manga: if AEs eat Riful just like they ate Isley, if Priscilla dies from starvation, if Raciella commits suicide for she is a monster, I stop reading the manga and move on. Realism is good up to a point but too much realism is BORING.

[Ancient Soul]

:twitch: Isley really died in the mouths of the zombie girls! :eek:

No masterplan, no nothing just a cruel death!So much for Isley! :upset:

What bother me is not the way he died or who killed him but how The ORG managed to get these AE so fast when their main claymore experiment produced some results after a century (Alicia&Beth). :eyebrow:

Rather than a connexion with the 11 AB flesh killed seven years ago would be more intersting if the MIBs used parts of their own youma-like flesh to create the AE as part of an older abandoned experiment! :eyespin:

[Vinak]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c38/vinak/toosexytoblink.jpg

pretty big 89 spoiler btw

[Gooral]

Oh, and Cyclone was right (as usual). Helen and co. are heading west to meet with Cynthia.

[Kikoto]

So Organisation can create as many AEs as they want if they have Awakened being flesh as material,and of course they have piece of Riful body,and also they send party of AEs with Alice and Beth to finish Riful now.
Also Isley indeed become a loving father to Priscilla and Raki,and he used himself as bait to let them escape,what a tearfull story,just it's so unnatural.
Seeing it like this we really will see alliance with Clare and Priscilla to maybe save Raki or something.
Cause it seems Organisation had everything planned from the start,but they don't know about Raphaela yet and they don't know about renegade group,but still it's a bit overpower for Org this time.

[Newhope]

So there are people who hate epic battles. :D

I don't know what other people think but I would be pissed off if the org drops a poisonous gas bomb on G7+Miata+Galatea and kills all of them (except Clare) without a fight. Is it feasible? Yes. Does it make sense? Yes. Does it suck? Totally.

Epic moments glorify a manga. Didn't we all enjoy Clare's epic fight against Rigardo? Wasn't it cool when Teresa owned Rosemary or Irene's team?

The name of this manga is Claymore (a sword), there are strong warriors fighting strong monsters. Epic battles are expected in this manga: if AEs eat Riful just like they ate Isley, if Priscilla dies from starvation, if Raciella commits suicide for she is a monster, I stop reading the manga and move on. Realism is good up to a point but too much realism is BORING.

I think what he's referring to is the dragonball syndrome where characters are getting beaten to a plup then suddenly go RARRRR power up time.

[Vinak]

I think what he's referring to is the dragonball syndrome where characters are getting beaten to a plup then suddenly go RARRRR power up time.

I agree with this, but Isley deserved a better death than cannibalism.

It would have been better to see Priscilla suddenly going beserk and killing him on accident or even have Alicia and Beth hunting him down.

these zacs went from an interesting plot device to a f'ing copout.

[Tempest35]

That's Raki's magic for you - able to convert 'bloodthirsty, human flesh-eating monsters' into a surrogate family. :heh:

And I'll leave everyone who is all mad at this recent development alone for a while, but really, is Isley dying like this really that bad? For something that has lived for who knows how long by devouring humans person by person, family by family, town by town and city by city - to be eaten in return is just 'karma'...

[chibamonster]

Isley's final weapon is so full of win I don't know what to say. Does this foreshadow the future? You bet it does. I actually really liked Isley's development here. Claymore is definitely going to get darker still.

Clare is definitely headed to meet Riful one way or another, where we have Raciella, Abyssal feeders, Alicia, Beth, Riful, Renee Duff and half the ghosts + Deitrich. That could result in quite a battle.

So where are Priscilla and Raki headed?

[Vinak]

That's Raki's magic for you - able to convert 'bloodthirsty, human flesh-eating monsters' into a surrogate family. :heh:

And I'll leave everyone who is all mad at this recent development alone for a while, but really, is Isley dying like this really that bad? For something that has lived for who knows how long by devouring humans person by person, family by family, town by town and city by city - to be eaten in return is just 'karma'...

not to mention converting blood thirsty Claymores who "must kill Priscilla" into a "must find Raki" machine :p

[Newhope]

I agree with this, but Isley deserved a better death than cannibalism.

It would have been better to see Priscilla suddenly going beserk and killing him on accident or even have Alicia and Beth hunting him down.

these zacs went from an interesting plot device to a f'ing copout.

I don't know I think Isley getting away again would be an even bigger copout than him dieing.

[Anima]

I really don't understand why you people are frustrated that AEs were the ones to kill Isley. It's what they were made to do! They are ultra powerful regenerative driven by instinct creatures! not just one, 11 of them!

Luciella got killed by a bear hug from her sister. Why can't Isley die by the hands (or rather mouths) of AEs?

Teresa at her prime got killed! I am sure it was a WTF moment for most of us when it happened. It's a similar WTF moment now but you will get over it soon.

This is what makes Claymore awesome. No one is invulnerable!

[hell88]

I really don't understand why you people are frustrated that AEs were the ones to kill Isley. It's what they were made to do! They are ultra powerful regenerative driven by instinct creatures! not just one, 11 of them!

Luciella got killed by a bear hug from her sister. Why can't Isley die by the hands (or rather mouths) of AEs?

Teresa at her prime got killed! I am sure it was a WTF moment for most of us when it happened. It's a similar WTF moment now but you will get over it soon and this what makes Claymore awesome. No one is invulnerable!

My thoughts are the same on this.

[Kikoto]

Don't compare Teresa to Isley,it just sounds very bad somehow.
Beside I'm happy that Isley is dead.
Clare is invulnerable till the end of story :P

If I remember Raki gone to some nearby towns in West to look for Clare.
Clare is doing the same,I wonder what encounter will happen first,Clare meets Priscilla/Raki,or Clare meeting Riful,or Clare meeting AEs and Alice/Beth on the way,or maybe her ghost friends first.
Next chapter should be nice of course if it won't be some Extra Story chapter.

[stormy001_M1A2]

How the mighty has fallen. I wonder if Raki stood a chance.

[Newhope]

I think Isley had other than Jean and Rigardo the best death in claymore.

[Vinak]

Luciella dieing after facing another awakened being and then her sister who happens to be equal to a number 1. that fine.

Teresa Dieing to an Awakened being. Fine.

Isley dieing to a bunch of zombies that regenerate instantly without using or emitting any yoku that were introduced to the story 2 chapters ago.
not cool.
that is my main gripe.

I don't care that Isley died. its just the way he went is what I am unhappy with.

[clarakiss~]

So where are Priscilla and Raki headed?

to the stars, my friend. to the stars... :p poor poor isley, may you rest in pieces? o.o? don't cha worry, raki will avenge you! :mad:

i have a feeling claymore is coming to an end too quickly. maybe feeling isley's death, priscilla might finally not be able to control herself anymore?

i still did not get why isley was letting out a huge amount of yoki even though the 'zombie thingamajingy' did not detact yoki. probably isley was letting priscilla know that he was still alive and kicking?

[Anima]

Don't compare Teresa to Isley,it just sounds very bad somehow.
I know I know (I am the founder of the Army, man! :p). It was hard writing that but Isley's death DID have a WTF feeling to it (at least to me).

[PureYoki]

Luciella got killed by a bear hug from her sister. Why can't Isley die by the hands (or rather mouths) of AEs?

Teresa at her prime got killed! I am sure it was a WTF moment for most of us when it happened. It's a similar WTF moment now but you will get over it soon.

Luciela died after a big fight, Teresa died after a big fight. If Teresa did obey the org's execution order and got killed without resistence, it would be lame. ;)

Fighting AEs is like playing chess against a computer. It lacks emotion, AEs lack emotion, emotion is the key. Claymore used to be a manga based on emotions (much more than other manga which are pure fight) but AEs contradict the very basis of the manga.

[racjona]

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the explanation of their "collective mind". This is an interesting concept.
After reading this: "After hearing the news of Isley's Death, the organization rallies their AEs, with Alicia sisters leading, begins their hunt for Riful." I thought for a moment (while reading spoiler and some translation of the newest chapter) that Beth could be some kind of container of their "collective mind".
Somehow, in some way Org has to "communicate" with ZACS, give them orders, train them. Beth, who is always connected to her Awakened sis, could be a link to ZACS (made of AB flesh).

[Shiryuu]

No one is invulnerable!
Except Clare and Raki, amirite?

I'm curious what they do with the feeders once their job is done. Highly unlikely they can just reprogram them. Do they eat each other since they have the flesh in them? If so, what happens to the last one? You'd think they get fat from eating 3 legs and an arm the size of a small house. Sucks for all those future claymores... I'm not even sure where they get all these women from. Do Yoma hate little girl flesh or something? :heh:

I'm kinda looking forward to the Riful fight. Just to see if they make Dauf bite their zombie heads off. They'll probably just end up killing Alicia and Beth off using the other sisters. Or Beth dies, Alicia goes out of control and runs to the south and Riful flees to the north. And Raciela takes over the west.

I guess Feb/Mar 2009 is the season of deaths. The only series I'm following that hasn't had anyone named/popular die yet is Bleach (no one ever dies from that anyways).

[khryoleoz]

I really don't want Raciela to be an evil gut eating monster. Am I the only one that feels that would ruin Rafael's sacrifce?
But she sacrificed nothing! She coudn't kill the abomination she felt responsible for creating, and instead creates a worse monster.

Did Isley really not figure out until this chapter that he needed to take out the heads? Thought he was smarter than that.
It's a plot device. Yagi needed a reason to kill him off in order to give meaning to his ugly, disgusting new creation.

Claymore has finally jumped the shark for me.
never would have thought it possible.

Edit:
seriously, after finding the raws for myself and looking over them. I am really pissed off over this development.
this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

year worth of waiting for monthly releases wasted.
Get these retard zombies out of my claymore kthxbi
I'm with ya, brotha!

These chapters have been stinking bad since Raciella.

I would not have anticipated any of these developments, so I can certainly say that Claymore hasn't been predictable. But I don't like any of these recent developments at all and this last one is seriously sucks ass.

I wasn't particularly attached to Isley. But his primary function was to contrast Priscilla's even greater power and I respected the character in that context. To have him go down by way of pests is insulting to my intelligence as little as that may be. While his defeat doesn't necessarily guarantee the same outcome concerning Priscilla, Isley's final thoughts that went something like "even when I was instantly obliterated in half by Priss was preferrable to being eaten alive by these biatches" is in some level a diminution of Priss when even she didn't produce such final results.

Agh. Yagi you sure have been pissing me off lately.

[Eisdrache]

This has to be the most ridiculous chapter in Claymore history. (If it happens as the spoiler says)

Ok Isley was weakened by his fight with Helen.
Ok ZACS share combat experience.
Ok there are 11 of superfast regenerating cannibals specifically made to defeat Isley.

SO WHAT?

Isley has shown the he is not the dumbest guy ever. He most probably can tell the difference between a claymore and a ZACS. Yet he attacks Helen/Deneve just to get eaten by ZACS afterwards. So much for wasting your energy. Even if Isley underestimated Helen instead of fighting he could have escaped.

So Yagi better give me a damn good reason for Isley to stay in the city and be killed (after escaping for who knows how many years).

[khryoleoz]

And just when I thought that after knowing what characters are talking about I would be overjoyed Yagi throws this :/. What is this? Soap opera? Isley changed from cold-hearted bastard to a loving parent?? Teresa I can understand, she had good character from the start (and protected people in her own way) but Isley? What's next, Clare forgetting about her revenge and making up with Priscilla? Or maybe Priscilla sacrificing herself for "greater good"? Blah... Not that I'm some heartless jerk but somehow Claymore in pinkish colour makes me want to puke.

+Borg zombies. Pathetic.
I agree. Isley's tender confession feels disjointed because we didn't see any of that relational development. We're suddenly thrown into it in a passing footnote as Isley (who was a historically important character for being the first #1 and the first AO) expires and we're just supposed to accept it? Show some flashbacks at least. Come on, Yagi. This is just stoopyd.

[RocktheStar]

great chapter once again :)

[hell88]

to the stars, my friend. to the stars... :p poor poor isley, may you rest in pieces? o.o? don't cha worry, raki will avenge you! :mad:

i have a feeling claymore is coming to an end too quickly. maybe feeling isley's death, priscilla might finally not be able to control herself anymore?

i still did not get why isley was letting out a huge amount of yoki even though the 'zombie thingamajingy' did not detact yoki. probably isley was letting priscilla know that he was still alive and kicking?

I think he was trying to let Priscilla know he was alive too, so that she could sence him until the end. I have a feeling the next chapter will be about Priscilla and Raki.

[MisterJB]

I think that next chapter should begin with the major powers on the Continent (Riful, Miria,...) sensing Isley's death. It's not like his death is gonna go unnoticed. everyone should be able to feel his Yoki on Abyssal form. Then the scene should change to Priscilla telling Raki that Isley died and then we would go a small past arc, telling us what happened during these seven years

[MisterJB]

Ok, I've just read the english version. He knew that you need to hit the heads so why the Freaking Hell did he stabbed one instead of just ripping her head off?

Gangsta: You were right. He didn't had the time to regenerate.

I don't care about AEs, Helen killed Isley.

[Stream]

English scans are out.

Except Clare and Raki, amirite?

So it seems, but Yagi even toyed with this one. When he introduced Clarice, it really seemed like Clare was dead, and Clare doesn't somehow magically survive and win her fights either. Yagi plays it well enough where you can accept that she was on the verge of death, and that it was a combination of luck, extraordinary willpower, and intelligence that saw her through the fights instead of magically getting stronger or having blows which were dodged before suddenly start connecting, etc. like most shounen do. Even if Clare doesn't get killed off, she does get put to the verge of death realistically enough.

This has to be the most ridiculous chapter in Claymore history. (If it happens as the spoiler says)

Ok Isley was weakened by his fight with Helen.
Ok ZACS share combat experience.
Ok there are 11 of superfast regenerating cannibals specifically made to defeat Isley.

SO WHAT?

Read the English scans. They explain it.

[khryoleoz]

great chapter once again :)

Change your adjective to mean something derogatory then maybe I can agree. :)

[Newhope]

It was a good chapter from what I can understand he knew he was in trouble before he got there and was already weak and Helen just hurryed the job along.

[MisterJB]

It was actually one of the best Claymore chapters. We got answers to almost all of our questions, we now know what were Isley's true intentions.

Poor guy, when he says that if he only had defeated one more...

Damn Yagi, first Luciela and now Isley...
Riful gets all the fun. It's unfair


The situation was like this:

Isley is attacked by 11 AEs, he kills 6 of them and the others run away.

He goes to another but is imediatelly attacked by Helen, or he attacked Deneve, if he stayed quiet, he would still be alive.

Helen wounds him a little and then, without having any time to rest, he is attacked again by those things.

Conclusion: With the exception of Priscilla and possibly Teresa, Isley was unbeatable. The Org was too afraid of sending Alicia to fight him so they just kept on sending ther AEs until he exausthed

[germanturkey]

holy crap, this was an excellent chapter. i don't think isley found out this chapter that he needed to take off the heads. since he said something along the lines of taking their heads is a lot harder. the AE's probably learned from their collective memories how he fought and how to protect themselves from him. it was actually a bit of a shame to see him go down like this. there was a lot of unexpected "i miss that family" type thing, but he was one of the top 3 strongest things on the island.

next chapter looks interesting as well. but they probably won't immediately follow up with Riful, but rather jump to Clare or maybe Miria and Galatea. they might do the latter since she'll probably be able to sense it.

but yeah, i can't wait to see A and B in action. they'll probably start at it, then Luciella and Rafaela will awaken and it'll be another 3 month wait for the combat to be concluded..

i miss you Teresa... but i think she would have had a hard time with these things too, since they don't emit youki. but then again, she could just brute force it and beat them that way.

[Sleepy Speculator]

Ah finally got to read the chapter, makes me laugh that Helen may end up being directly responsible for the 2 Abyssal ones left snuffing it, first by pinning Isley in an unintentional fight and not giving him time to recover, such that his pursuers close in and secondly by being the one to tear off and provide the org with a chunk of Riful...
And this is important because no-one has yet damaged Riful even Rachel the #5 only cut in along the grain same as Clare did a long way back.

Also the set up of Alicia and Beth/Bess? now moving on Riful implies that the whole situation is gonna turn full circle. Alicia once got the drop on and studied Riful whilst Clare was engaged in battle, now it may come full circle as all 3 parties return to the West. I don't know how Helen and Deneve intend to find Clare's group, but the only way i can see them doing it is by flashing their yoki signature and hoping it's Clare and Cynthia that tracks in and not any members of the org.

Edit: and irony of all things Isley makes a cryptic comment about being forced to use a claymore type blade as a weapon, i noticed he also threw the blade and it remained intact, makes me wonder about what i was only joking about earlier.

[Newhope]

Reading it in engish it make one hell of a difference.

Edit: alot of the jigsaw pieces fall into place in this chapter.

[Casshern]

No way would the old Isley have lost to these lame ass zombies. After killing 6 of them he would have continued chasing the rest untill they were all dead. If not the first time then surely the second. Priscila and Raki made him soft.

In the end Riful was more strategic and cunning than both Luciella and Isley, and if everything goes according to her plan she will have amassed more power than both had.

As for Beth and Alicia, the most obvious opponent is a reawakened Rafaela and Luciella. The failed experiment vs the success.

[Mizuno]

It's not because Isley doesn't know to aim for the heads, it's how hard it is to deal a direct blow to the head. The AE do everything to protect their only weakness, they probably changed their body angle the instance just before the blow connects. I think Dietrich mentioned something similar to that in the last chapter.

[Ancient Soul]

The last thoughts of Isley were to RAKI and Priscilla!?!:eek:
Raki stayed with him until Isley himself drove him out not until he found out that he and Priscilla are
human eaters? :eek:

Rubel didn't know about Rimuto's plan to send ALicia & Beth after Riful? :eyebrow:
And he laied that he was knocked up?There were witnesses!:eyebrow:

[Ancient Soul]

Edit: and irony of all things Isley makes a cryptic comment about being forced to use a claymore type blade as a weapon, i noticed he also threw the blade and it remained intact, makes me wonder about what i was only joking about earlier.

Then the AB creating the swords must be a hellish strong one (if this is the case)!
What if a DOD switched sides (or was captured) and work for The ORG side! :eyespin:

[tunjee01]

One of my favorite claymore chapters so far. It humanized Easley.

[germanturkey]

failure vs success sounds really really promising. i hope Yagi doesn't simply pass it for a chapter..

[Mizuno]

The organization probably already suspects Rubel, that's why he wasn't notified of that decision promptly.

[clarakiss~]

In the end Riful was more strategic and cunning than both Luciella and Isley, and if everything goes according to her plan she will have amassed more power than both had.


no waay~y isley always been one step ahead of riful and was stronger... you guys can argue with me on this but he was stronger.

it's just so happens the org chose to rid of isley first cuz he's more of problem than riful.

it's a bad form on yagi part by ridding isley too quickly... i always knew isley was still in good terms with raki and priscilla. ^^;

[Ancient Soul]

Yagi better give us a Galatea & Miria "treatment" soon... ;)
This my help people to clear their minds of the "zombie Isley-eating girls" !

...Alicia & Beth may work too (not as good but still)! :D

[Cheesyhoboe]

I would've expected some flashbacks showing Isley, Raki and Priscilla before killing him off just like that. Kind of disappointing that his death was so sudden without any more character development. At least there's something to look forward to... looks like we're on the cusp of another gigantic battle.

[Sleepy Speculator]

It was revealed that Isley has defeated the zombies several times, but that each time they got better, and he could only track and kill one of them physically once they split up, because they lack yoki signatures. I'm wondering if this is where we'll get to see Cynthia shine, since she's implied to be rather astute at tracking.

[Bikerider]

OOH !! Alicia and Beth are making an appearance !!

[Newhope]

The only thing I can think of is they have a group soul link which may also be the way the MIB are controling them.

[clarakiss~]

holy moly! i'm quite amaze how quickly rubel travels... one minute he's in the west and then he's at the org's headquarters in the east? o.o?!

neway, the org's said they sent more of them abyssal eaters to the west (probably intact with new battle experience w/ isley) and who is it for? riful and rafaela/lucy? with alicia/beth and abssyal eaters all coming, it's definitely going to be a handful for riful.

but somehow, i have a feeling some of the abyssal eaters are for priscilla too. the org might have gotten some of her flesh when she fought isley back in the day.

[SagaraSouske]

In the end, Isley's death is similar to Teresa and Ophelia's that he has become more human as a result of interaction with Priscilla and Raki. Even though his death is a bit sudden, the message Yaki wanted to get across nevertheless remains the same. I think Priscilla will likely die in a similar death (not how she get killed but rather dying as more human then a monster) and probably as a result of trying to protect Raki.

If ZACS is a new element introduced to counter Abyssals, I think likely Racilla will be a counter to ZACS. Next a few chapter will be definitely interesting with many of the major players converging towards the west.

[Newhope]

something has popped in my mind! Maybe the organization is having suspicions on Rubel, that's why he was not initially informed of Alicia/Beth's deploiement toward Riful.

Ya I though about that to maybe they've known about him all along and have been feeding him false information to make it look like the ORG is weaker than it is so the DnD don't take a more aggessive stance.

Edit:The ZACs maybe the prelude to Racilla showing us what she may become but I personally think she'll be the opposite and have similar power but with a human mind.

[yezhanquan]

Great. Another decent character gets killed off rather randomly.

[hell88]

Ok, I've just read the english version. He knew that you need to hit the heads so why the Freaking Hell did he stabbed one instead of just ripping her head off?

He said in the chapter that it was getting harder to hit them in the head. He might have been trying to do that all along.

[Ancient Soul]

something has popped in my mind! Maybe the organization is having suspicions on Rubel, that's why he was not initially informed of Alicia/Beth's deploiement toward Riful.

Ya I though about that to maybe they've known about him all along and have been feeding him false information to make it look like the ORG is weaker than it is so the DnD don't take a more aggessive stance.

The last three pages saved this chapter for me!:heh:

I want to know more about The ORG!Also i hope Yagi didn't erased Ermita&Orsay offscreen!

In the <anime> a man dressed like Orsay welcome Clare to The ORG.And Ermita had a deadly look to Rubel when they meet at The ORG HQ after Ophelia's dead!:cool:

[shelter]

Isley's end seemed a bit sudden, unfitting for a character that appeared so confident throughout the entire story. If he had more time to regenerate, he might have stood a much better chance.

Still, logical reasoning aside, I wonder why Helen, Deneve & Dietrich didn't return to save him. I was honestly expecting it.

[Cheesyhoboe]

What would they have to gain from saving him?

[clarakiss~]

i think yagi-sensei made up his mind by quickly ending all the abyssals (isley and riful) and start focusing on the DoD and the org.

with isley dead, the org will immediately make use of his flesh (brains or whatever) to create more powerful abyssal eaters to face rafaela/lucy or even the DoD in the future.

this makes miria and gang look like mere kittens now... >.>

[Newhope]

What would they have to gain from saving him?

And why would you save a man eating monster that was responsible for killing 17 of your comrades.

[theevilanimal]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/727/claymore8889deneve.jpg

[hell88]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/727/claymore8889deneve.jpg

Looks like someone is going to get yelled at back at the office.:heh:

[Double_friedman]

OMG!! We're finally going to see Alicia fight and stomp Riful!!!

[Ancient Soul]

On Page 13 when Deneve talk about the posibility that The ORG may sent new AE after Riful Dietrich say : "A Nasty Development!" Nasty for who?:eyebrow:

On this pages Dietrich seem so serious...she somehow remember me of Rafaela!

More suspicions about our new kitty... :cool:

I add the posibility that she is somehow connected with Rabona!:eyespin:

[Ancient Soul]

Looks like someone is going to get yelled at back at the office.:heh:

I don't think so! :D

If you notice Deneve has a piece of leather tied to her!The "missing" piece must be that one!On page 12 is show that she do it in order to keep her swords! :)

[hell88]

I don't think so! :D

If you notice Deneve has a piece of leather tied to her!The "missing" piece must be that one!On page 12 is show that she do it in order to keep her swords! :)

Look at her left arm.:p

[Aquillion]

What would they have to gain from saving him?Think it through. The Org now has the perfect weapon it has been spending so long working on. They make these new monsters from dead Awakened Beings. So after they've killed the Abyssals and the other big Awakened beings and used their corpses to make as many of these things as they can...

What do you think they're going to do?

(Mind you, I don't really think it would've made much sense for them to rescue him... still, I half-expected it, just because it seemed so odd for him to die so suddenly after so much build-up.)

[Methuselah]

Isley NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This is way to sudden. I believe he made it out somehow. But how horrific seeing the to be one of the most feared Awakening Being whom we rarely see fight suddenly overwhelmed and eaten alive. I truely think that he made it out somehow or I would lose respect for the Claymore producer.

[Ancient Soul]

Look at her left arm.:p

I'm looking, i'm looking!I also look at her BACK (and the piece of leather there)! :p

[dantyx]

good cahpter ......i feel sorry for isley

i think Alicia will kill Dauf ...

[Methuselah]

In the end, Isley's death is similar to Teresa and Ophelia's that he has become more human as a result of interaction with Priscilla and Raki. Even though his death is a bit sudden, the message Yaki wanted to get across nevertheless remains the same. I think Priscilla will likely die in a similar death (not how she get killed but rather dying as more human then a monster) and probably as a result of trying to protect Raki.

If ZACS is a new element introduced to counter Abyssals, I think likely Racilla will be a counter to ZACS. Next a few chapter will be definitely interesting with many of the major players converging towards the west.

Well the difference between Teresa is that she was supposed to have died before the story begun, which explains Clare. Isley however... quite a different purpose. We haven't seen Isley close his eyes and die yet so I can only hope he "somehow" survived. (A trick better than what the 7 claymores did)

[ellifeedn]

Hello, I'm new here. I recently started the manga, found it interesting, and read upto this chapter. This chapter was rather sad (and I'm sure someone's going to make a sig or amv honoring the greatest man in this series).

Anyway, numbers 1 and 2 and several of those "zacs" fighting Riful should be an epic fight. If merged Rafaela and Luciela were to fight Alicia and Beth, I believe the former team would win.

[PureYoki]

Well, the chapter is better than the spoilers, at least there is some explanation. So it was indeed Isley who drove Raki & Priscilla away for their safety. Raki made him more human but unfortunately in claymore world being more human is equal to being dead. :D

It was not wise of Isley to attack Helen & Deneve when he was already wounded. What was he thinking? :confused:

I wonder how this mind synchronisation works, does it work on claymores? :)

It seems the org constantly needs new ABs to make new AEs. Considering their losses over years (multiply 6 by # of half of the towns in south which totals to 600 or maybe more), it means they can produce at least 20-30 AEs from the blood and flesh of one AB. (Where do they find all these girls?) AEs all seem to have equal power, does it mean that yoma source is irrelevant in a claymore's strength? :confused:

[Lostdreams]

Hello, I'm new here. I recently started the manga, found it interesting, and read upto this chapter. This chapter was rather sad (and I'm sure someone's going to make a sig or amv honoring the greatest man in this series).

Anyway, numbers 1 and 2 and several of those "zacs" fighting Riful should be an epic fight. If merged Rafaela and Luciela were to fight Alicia and Beth, I believe the former team would win.

some1's gonna make an amv from the manga?...

[Newhope]

All this crying about Isley dieing it's almost as bad as when Flora died:P

[hell88]

All this crying about Isley dieing it's almost as bad as when Flora died:P

Yeah and you know what? It's only Easley who died, I have been waiting for this for a long time!:D

[Fenrir_valindri]

After reading the chapter I'm not really sure what all the bellyaching was about, considering the nature of the AE it is impressive in itself that Isley has been defeating them all this time.

I've heard some mention Isley dying "suddenly" to a "new" and relatively "faceless" enemy is a letdown, but in all honesty I think people are blowing it out of proportion.

People seem to forget Rigaldo seemingly came from nowhere and obliterated 3 semi-major characters (Jean/Flora/Undine) in the span of a chapter, at least Isley lasted more then one chapter, and was already injured to begin with.

--------------

As for the AE being "boring" compared to the more Awakened Beings we have seen so far, I think that has a point to it as well. Even the monsters in Claymore so far have still been quite human in one aspect or another, but these AE are terrifying foes BECAUSE they lack any shred of that humanity. An emotionless killing machine may seem more "boring" then a personable villain like Isley or Riful, but they are coldly frightening because of that lack of a "spark."

Much like the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k or the Aliens from the Alien series, completely inhuman monsters are terrifying opponents in their own right.

On a side note, Alicia/Beth are even more terrifying in this case because they are the same as the AE when it comes the core of their being, but they still retain the facade of humanity.

---------

and go Helen! your indirectly responsible for the death of the man responsible for the death of your friends and comrades in Pieta and may even have led to the death of another Abyssal One!

Dietrich seems sincere so far, but it is suspicious she knows so much, it will be interesting to see how she interacts with the other Ghosts, and it looks like Helen will be getting her eye back at least. :heh:

---------

Isley's death was surely sudden, and I'm impressed as always with Yagi for having the balls to kill of likable/popular characters, and doing it with purpose.

I will miss Isley, his awakened form was possibly my favorite one in the series, and that sword he made in his final battle just added to it.

Isley's final thoughts were interesting, it does seem like he drove Raki/Priscilla away, but still thought of them fondly.

Ironic that one who has eaten so many ends up being eaten himself.


The impact of Isley's death is going to be a significant shift in power, the Organization potentially has Riful outgunned here, but her plan to "balance" the power against the now deceased Isley may end up saving her, or dooming her all the same.
---------

Alicia and Beth are finally getting to strut their stuff against a big player, it will be interesting seeing how they fair, and the entire situation with Raphaela + Lucalea is sure to explode in a magnificent fashion.

[Awakened]

Isley got the most dishonorable death.

[Newhope]

If you've read any of Yagi's work before or even just claymore you should know that nothing happens without a reason, so don't be surprised if his death has some impact on the story when you least expect it.

[Freya]

Honestly though Riful may be outnumbered and etc, if she can get Renee to awaken.....those 2 that are fused, it should be pretty interesting.

Wait how come at the end Isley when he used his sword to slice off the head of one of the AEs, it didn't die?

[celestialguy]

Wow. I can't believe the spoiler was right. >.> Isley doesn't deserve to die like that.

[Wiggle wyrm]

Wow! I knew Isley’s days were numbered but still… :T_T:

With his death, it seems everything went into overdrive. There are so many elements flying around, there’s no telling where they will settle. Right now we have:

Alicia, Beth and the Abyssal Eaters
Riful, Dauf, Renee and Rafcillia
Clare, Yuma and Cynthia
Helen, Deneve and
Priscilla and Raki

and

Alicia and Beth are sure to come to the notice of Galatia, Tabitha and possibly Miata, as they cross the island.

I’m even a little concerned about Rubel. Rimito seemed a little suspicious of him and I have the feeling that Rubel can’t help but become involved. :upset:

[Negativedark]

To put things is perspective. I don't think we should be viewing this as Isley was killed off by some enemy that came out of nowhere. Isley was killed by the Org. And they've been in the story longer than he has. Isley was clearly stronger than any one of the ZACS, but there were many of them. It's like how a pack of hunting dogs can bring down bears or other large animals. If Isley had taken out one more, then he could have gotten them to retreat too. But like people have said, he ended up like Teresea, no longer fit for battle.
Looks like the biggest mistake the Abyssals ever made was not wiping the organization out sooner. They forgot that the org made them what they are, and might eventually make something worse.
Now it will be interesting to see what will happen with Riful. Keep in mind that the twins and ZACS may not even get to her before she dies, depending on what Racellia is like.
The ZACS are not invincible however. To beat them, one needs to move faster than they can react. If you can destroy their head before they can move it out of the way, you can kill them. In short training for speed is what is needed.

[Tempest35]

@ Fenrir - Taichou, lovely post as usual but...where's Rabona again? :p

[Freya]

I don't see why everyone is like "OMG how can the AE kill Isley!?"

Let's see.....this isn't the first time they have fought and he's never been able to fully regenerate. And each time they fight the AE are typically smarter.

[Awakened]

And just when I thought that after knowing what characters are talking about I would be overjoyed Yagi throws this :/. What is this? Soap opera? Isley changed from cold-hearted bastard to a loving parent?? Teresa I can understand, she had good character from the start (and protected people in her own way) but Isley? What's next, Clare forgetting about her revenge and making up with Priscilla? Or maybe Priscilla sacrificing herself for "greater good"? Blah... Not that I'm some heartless jerk but somehow Claymore in pinkish colour makes me want to puke.

+Borg zombies. Pathetic.

Isley always had a caring side. No one forced him to train Raki.

[FateAnomaly]

A lot of answers in this chapters. So Isley did intend to make use of Priscilla but soften up later. It seems ironic that the AOs have more human emotions than mere ABs.
Isley also mentioned that he is sustaining himself on the barest of meals which means that he is actually not fighting at full strength. Again kindness became a weakness just like in Teresa case. I kinda liked Isley. He will be missed. I also just realised exactly how huge he is.

It seems my prediction on the reason for hunting the Abs actively is correct. Claymores have become secondary to AEs. Thats why it seems that the current generation is weaker cos they are being expended in order to acquire raw materials for the AEs. The plan after they wiped out the AOs (did they forget Priscilla?) will probably be get rid of all normal claymores. Only the AEs and soul linkers will be left.

I didn't notice it previously but Alicia and Beth are really pretty and cool looking in the close up. But it looks like they are wearing make-up (lol).

[yezhanquan]

Well, at least the old men at the top are beginning to act. About time, I say. The puppet show needs to end soon.

[Tempest35]

I didn't notice it previously but Alicia and Beth are really pretty and cool looking in the close up. But it looks like they are wearing make-up (lol).

Well, they ARE the dolls of the ORG....ugh, that just gave me the wrong kind of mental picture...*goes to purge*

[Cyclone]

Great. Another decent character gets killed off rather randomly.

There were too many male characters in the story anyways :p

I really liked this chapter. Move the story along nicely and has a part of that shock and pointlessness value that Flora's death had, with a bit of an Ophelia like redemption for good messure. Nicely done.

Now for Raki... (I can hope, can't I?)

[yezhanquan]

Too "many"? XD

Still, at least my opinion of the old men didn't change. When they chose not to act, everyone seemed to forget them. When they do, everyone goes, "WTF?"

[Freya]

Great. Another decent character gets killed off rather randomly.

Random? This was nowhere near random.

[yezhanquan]

Maybe, "arbitrary" was the right word. I apologise.

Once again, the wait for next chapter begins.

[Freya]

Maybe, "arbitrary" was the right word. I apologise.

Once again, the wait for next chapter begins.

So Yagi goes to do some "research"? So no chapter for April. What about May? Seriously I doubt Yagi would survive if Claymore was in WSJ.

[yezhanquan]

Jump Square is designed for authors who can't/wouldn't handle the workload of WSJ. On Claymore itself, rarely do chapters make full sense by themselves. You really need to be reading several at one shot to piece the jigsaw together, and my patience IS running a little thin, at least with regards to this series.

[Fenrir_valindri]

@ Fenrir - Taichou, lovely post as usual but...where's Rabona again? :p

Lol, corrected, will teach me to post while I have a cold. :eyespin:


On another note, it will be interesting if Rubel is under suspicion, it would be interesting to see the DoD to get directly invovled sometime soon.

[khryoleoz]

Look, I'll assume the thinking of what some of us who object to much of this chapter. I could be wrong in the position I assume but I'll do it anyway.

We're aware that Isley has been fighting these beasts for a while. The dialogue makes that clear. Despite whatever stupid comments that some careless posters make, it's not Isley dying that ticks me off, it's in the way that he died. In terms of advantages, Isley has them all. It's not credible that these zombies, having impaired senses, inferior in strength, and have no apparent capacity to contrive and implement battle plans against a more powerful opponent like Isley, can ever win no matter how many times they come back.

I have no problem seeing Isley beaten and killed. I have a problem with this incredible notion that Isley is of such limited capacity to adapt to these things and kill them off while these critters have all of the capacity to adapt to Isley.

He risked it all to take out one Abyssal. After doing that, what the f*** did he do the last seven years playing daddy? Having gained the advantage of having Priss at his side, he takes no action to destroy the org himself and waits for this moment?

People puhleeze. To ask me to buy into this is ridiculous!

The chapter certainly answers a lot of things. But the answers just plain suck ass!

[yezhanquan]

As for Alicia and Beth, time to rip the masks off the dolls. Biting off more than what they can chew seems a good way to send them off.

To the above post, I believe you're looking for the trope "Ass Pull".

[Cyclone]

Jump Square is designed for authors who can't/wouldn't handle the workload of WSJ. On Claymore itself, rarely do chapters make full sense by themselves. You really need to be reading several at one shot to piece the jigsaw together, and my patience IS running a little thin, at least with regards to this series.

I am SO sick of this accusation.
Claymore has twice the number of pages of WSJ title.
I also defy you to find a WSJ with 1/2 the amount of detail that Claymore has. The scenery and such did not appear on the paper by magic, you know...

Waiting for manga sucks. Join the club and bear with it.

[yezhanquan]

Well, one month = 4 weeks, correct? 4 x 13 vs. 1 x (30 to 40): Do the math.

Detail? Too much = Scenery Porn. If I want that, I'll go to Berserk, really. For a series, you can give me the situation in words, and it'll suffice for me just fine.

[Cyclone]

Well, one month = 4 weeks, correct? 4 x 13 vs. 1 x (30 to 40): Do the math.

Detail? Too much = Scenery Porn. If I want that, I'll go to Berserk, really. For a series, you can give me the situation in words, and it'll suffice for me just fine.

I'll happily sacrifice the 12 pages to make the manga look like it was drawn by someone who cares about what they are drawing. I you like stick figures, then you may like WSJ titles more?

[yezhanquan]

Now, saying WSJ series are stick-figure quality wouldn't do anyone good. As a matter of fact, I'm cheering that D.Grayman is back after a long break. If that is "stick figure" to you, well...

At least, CLAMP has XXX and Tsubasa concurrently running. And boy, am I glad that they alternate.

[iLney]

He risked it all to take out one Abyssal. After doing that, what the f*** did he do the last seven years playing daddy? Having gained the advantage of having Priss at his side, he takes no action to destroy the org himself and waits for this moment?



And if he wanted everything under his control, what the f*** did he do when he became the first AO?

And why the f*** didn't he go to Riful? Surely both of them were dumbasses!

And the resurrection things! Muhahahahahaha!

And he had Priscilla! Why the f*** didn't he attack the Org? Those AEs react to motion so Alicia & Beth can't fight Easley. Destroy the lab then the AEs. Surely his brain was not enough to think of that!

[Newhope]

I think someone said earlier its like ants against something much bigger hundreds of the ants will die but sooner or later the ants win.

He hasn't been fighting the AEs for a few months he's been hounded by them for close to 7 years at frist he more than likely beat them no trouble at all but slowly but surely they ground him down to a shadow of his former self.

[Wiggle wyrm]

Yes Isley started out with an advantage, but little by little it ran out. After each battle some of the AE would escape. And then come back at full strength and better than before. Considering that half of the South was destroyed in this protracted game of cat-and-mouse is testament to Isley’s power. The thing of it is that Isley has to win every time. The AE’s only have to win once.

[yezhanquan]

To add on to iLney, between writing and drawing, I personally take writing any day. If a mangaka was to sacrifice quality of writing for drawing, I think it's pretty sad.

[Freya]

i suggest you bleach for nicely drawn character with coherent lines and such.

Okay Bleach doesn't count. Story just sucks balls. Kubo Tite is literally stalling in his chapters. Don't know if you guys read or not but you might know what I mean. Naruto has picked up TREMENDOUSLY and is getting really good. One Piece on the other is just plain kick ass. Good cliffhanger at end and good chapter each time too.

A month to draw 39 pgs? Nah. 2 weeks should be good.

[yezhanquan]

On Bleach, the implications of the latest chapters are quite significant. It's just that by setting up multiple fronts, KT is now going to get bombarded by sections of fans who want to see "their" fight drawn.

Multiple fronts in Claymore are present if you keep the entire story plot at the back of your mind everytime you read a new chapter.

[khryoleoz]

Yes Isley started out with an advantage, but little by little it ran out. After each battle some of the AE would escape. And then come back at full strength and better than before. Considering that half of the South was destroyed in this protracted game of cat-and-mouse is testament to Isley’s power. The thing of it is that Isley has to win every time. The AE’s only have to win once.
How does he lose that advantage? How do the zombies get better? In what way are they able to surpass Isley while Isley stagnates in his ability to deal with them?

It's like the argument that Priscilla will get infinitely better while Teresa can't. That's dumb.

[snip]
I can't tell whether you respond w/sarcasm to my point, but regardless you reinforce that this series had been getting us to swallow some incredible things for a long time. I should have stopped reading it ever since Teresa died. I kept reading thinking that she'd be vindicated. Well, it's taking so long that I'm losing interest with every chapter.

[Freya]

How does he lose that advantage? How do the zombies get better? In what way are they able to surpass Isley while Isley stagnates in his ability to deal with them?



They may not be better but they have an advantage. Isley can't hide as they WIL track him eventually and because of that Isley hasn't been able to heal completely.

[Double_friedman]

Well, maybe Isley knew Alicia was very powerful to defy her by himself. Besides if the org had other strong claymores, they could awaken and attack Isley and defeat him. It's not that easy to go there and attack the org.

[Vinak]

I always thought Clare would be the only one capable of fully awakening without losing herself. But if this humanity theme continues, then perhaps Clare will end up losing her humanity in the end.

She somewhat lacks a personality, but she is rather selfless when it comes to protecting humans or other warriors.

perhaps this selflessness of hers will ultimately lead to her fully awakening and losing all of her humanity.

Raki will have to come in and somehow fulfill his desire to "protect" her at this point.

Well, maybe Isley knew Alicia was very powerful to defy her by himself. Besides if the org had other strong claymores, they could awaken and attack Isley and defeat him. It's not that easy to go there and attack the org.
Uhm....?
he had 17 warriors killed in a single night.

[Bikerider]

So they are continuously making AEs.... And they hunt by smell... I'm thinking that the "little monster" Miata may be an AE that isn't a success. Perhaps she has a stronger will that keeps her from going zombie.

[Newhope]

How does he lose that advantage? How do the zombies get better? In what way are they able to surpass Isley while Isley stagnates in his ability to deal with them?

It's like argument that Priscilla will get infinitely better while Teresa can't? That's dumb.


I can't tell whether you respond w/sarcasm to my point, but regardless you reinforce that this series had been getting us to swallow some incredible things for a long time. I should have stopped reading it ever since Teresa died. I kept reading thinking that she'd be vindicated. Well, it's taking so long that I'm losing interest with every chapter.

Isley clearly states that hitting there heads was getting harder in his words "It's not as easy to smash there heads as it used to be either"

[yezhanquan]

I can't tell whether you respond w/sarcasm to my point, but regardless you reinforce that this series had been getting us to swallow some incredible things for a long time. I should have stopped reading it ever since Teresa died. I kept reading thinking that she'd be vindicated. Well, it's taking so long that I'm losing interest with every chapter.

I smelled the faint scent of an Ass Pull from quite some time ago. I'm glad that I'm not the only one with such thoughts.

[Vinak]

So they are continuously making AEs.... And they hunt by smell... I'm thinking that the "little monster" Miata may be an AE that isn't a success. Perhaps she has a stronger will that keeps her from going zombie.

that is not possible.

human/AB hybrids have an insatiable appetite for flesh. Miata simply does not share that trait

[Freya]

that is not possible.

human/AB hybrids have an unsationable appetite for flesh. Miata simply does not share that trait

She's just a regular child Claymore that is just like Pricilla. Very child like.

[Vinak]

in an earlier post. i speculated that Miata was a test subject for mind conditioning.

[Awakened]

wow, great chapter. I still don't know how Helen and Deneven are going to find Clare, but lots of question answered.

I don't think Riful will die, she way more observant than Isley.

[Double_friedman]

Isley clearly states that hitting there heads was getting harder in his words "It's not as easy to smash there heads as it used to be either"

You're right, we can see the learning process when Isley hurled his sword to the Abissal eater, she evaded the attack, so she clearly learnt it from their past battles.

[Awakened]

Anyone notice the great mastermind Ruble, trying to get Clare killed?

[Soujoricho_clariveL]

I find it very funny on people getting dissapointed on how Easly have died. IF YOU HAVE READ THE RECENT CHAPTER THOUROUGHLY, it was clear that Easley was already at his disadvantage during the recent fight:

1. He wasn't finished healing his wounds until Helen and Deneve arrived, as well as the AEs.
2. As stated by Deitrich there seem a sharing mechanism (for experiences) with these zombies. Thus making them harder to kill as time goes by.
3. The gap between the last fight of Easly and AEs and the recent ones was SHORT.
4. Even though Easly is strong he doesn't have endless youki in him unlike Priscilla thus making this fight really difficult for him.
5. Finally, if you all wondered what Easly was doing for the past 7 years, just read HIS LAST WORDS.

[Wiggle wyrm]

Anyone notice the great mastermind Ruble, trying to get Clare killed?

Really? I thought he was protecting them by deflecting attention away from “unknown parties,” and setting them up for failure with an impossible goal. You have to realize that because he’s a spy, he needs to keep up a decent façade, it also looks like he didn’t know about Isley’s death.

[Rolyn]

RIP Easly QQ

[zato_1one]

Wow! As much as I hate how Isley is treated this way. But I can't hate this chapter after reading the English translation. It's sad, tragic and also very disturbing. Isley's death in this chapter is definitely more valuable than a possible pointless revenge power vs power battle from the ghost or even the reincarnated of Luciella (Lucy+Raph). Sure, it's not as cool as how Rigaldo died but it still maintain the true feeling of the series about human and monster. And it is memorable. IMO

I don't feel that his character is suddenly changed at all. Because unlike the anime, they (Isley, Prissy, Raki) hadn't lived together for just a couple of days. They had lived together for years which was actually longer than Clare lived with Raki. On top of that, he also mentored and taught Raki. This might be the first time in his very long life as an AB to live this close with other. True. He might have many subordinates but he actually didn't care with them because of AB nature. But this time it was a mistake for him to meet with both Prissy+Raki. He wanted to use Prissy. But due to Prissy's unstable mind and her fond of Raki, he let himself intimate with them too much. And before he realizes it, he had already made a bond with them. He started to eat less too. Isley had lived a long cold life for years. This might be the first time in his AB life that he finally found the warmth in his heart. He treasured it even if he knew that it might be a mere illusion. I really want to see extra scene about his past. <_<

For those who want big battle, it will finally happen in a few next chapters. Alicia/Beth & AEs VS Riful & Duff & possible Lucy+Raph. Add the ghost into the mix for more spicy. Now, I seriously think that Claymore will end soon.

The org didn't resurrect the lost numbers. They just created new AEs with another AB's flesh from AB hunting. But I still want to know more about AEs synchronizing mind. I hope it will have more explanations about this.

I really like this shot.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7700/7b8cf91fbed4b843f724e4a.jpg

[Vinak]

I find it very funny on people getting dissapointed on how Easly have died. IF YOU HAVE READ THE RECENT CHAPTER THOUROUGHLY, it was clear that Easley was already at his disadvantage during the recent fight:

1. He wasn't finished healing his wounds until Helen and Deneve arrived, as well as the AEs.
2. As stated by Deitrich there seem a sharing mechanism (for experiences) with these zombies. Thus making them harder to kill as time goes by.
3. The gap between the last fight of Easly and AEs and the recent ones was SHORT.
4. Even though Easly is strong he doesn't have endless youki in him unlike Priscilla thus making this fight really difficult for him.
5. Finally, if you all wondered what Easly was doing for the past 7 years, just read HIS LAST WORDS.

yet we only find out about all these details in this chapter.

[Gattberserk]

Priscilla is probably the one that will wipe out all the AE... She is stronger than anyone think...


Probably the new Raciela will pwn those AEs as well...

[Negativedark]

Don't worry, I'm sure Isley will surpise the Org by showing up on the orgs doorstep alive.
Rimuto-"Isley!? But how?"
Isley-"I'll let her explain."
ZACS-"We realize, eat all him up, no more food. But let him grow back, always more food."
Rimuto-"That's rediculous! What is this Inuyasha?"
Isley-"No if this were Inuyasha, I would have taken over their bodies because they ate me."


I have to wonder though, why the org is still so fixated on controllable awakeneds.

[Awakened]

Really? I thought he was protecting them by deflecting attention away from “unknown parties,” and setting them up for failure with an impossible goal. You have to realize that because he’s a spy, he needs to keep up a decent façade, it also looks like he didn’t know about Isley’s death.

Protecting them by sending more enemies towards them?

I'm not sure if the Org is not on to Ruble. For some reason I don't think the Org believed him.

[FlareKnight]

Never thought I'd be bothered by Easley getting killed. But guess anyone going down like this would be a bit disturbing.

It's not the way I thought he would go. Thought he'd go in some major battle. Instead done in by numerous skirmishes against annoyingly persistent creatures. Like falling onto a fire ant hill or something. Even if he survived this battle its unlikey he would have made it through the next. The organization really created some dangerous monsters this time.

Wish Riful luck since with the power balance snapped she is the next target. She's got a plan, but really its not going to be easy to survive.

[FateAnomaly]

There is something that isn't quite logical. The AEs head had to be destroyed to kill it yet the AE that Isley threw the sword at regenerated his head from the body. In this case, shouldn't the body regenerate out from the head?

[Cyclone]

i suggest you bleach for nicely drawn character with coherent lines and such.

As for drawing style, I like Tite's style too - he draws very well. I'm talking detail though. Just count the average number of lines in a pane to understand the difference. It's little things like shading, textures (would you see anyone in WSJ have hair like Rune/Renee's?) and backgrounds. I'm not saying Bleach is drawn poorly - just to nowhere near the level of detail that Claymore is (or other popular non weekly manga's like Berserk).

As for someone mentioning that Naruto is picking up... perhaps the action is, but the story has made me vommit the past 2 weeks.