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Okamidum
2009-03-09, 12:45
Is it normal not to see everyone's signature? Sometimes it shows and most of the time they don't. Could there be something wrong on my side?
Fishfood1
2009-03-09, 13:12
well, probably the best guess for the problem is, when you log in, you don't see people's sig.
if so, try:
user CP->edit option->scroll down to "Visible Post Elements", and check "show signitures" box
because i couldn't see people's signature whenever i log in when i just registered, so i just checked the signiture box at "Visible Post Elements" section and now i can see people's sig.
otherwise the only other explaination i can come up with is they may have check off "show your signature" when they do replies
Okamidum
2009-03-09, 13:16
Oh man I feel kinda dumb for not even looking there haha. Thanks a bunch Fishfood.
Fishfood1
2009-03-09, 13:26
sure no prob. have a good day ;)
Mystique
2009-04-07, 17:05
I've been searchin around in case there's a 'how to check if your signiture is fine display wise' thread or something, but haven't come across anything, so in an attempt not to toss up a new thread, I'll place my query in here.
I originally placed just an image as part of my sig with dimensions of 278x114.
A few months ago I added 3 quotes to it, but it has just now been called to my attention that I'm breaking the forum rules.
So I took a peek and it states as follows:
* Text Only
Text only signatures may have a maximum of six (6) lines of text (including blank lines), assuming the default font size or smaller. Larger font sizes means that fewer lines are allowed.
* Images Only
50,000 bytes or less: Maximum of 500 pixels wide x 160 pixels tall
* Image and Text
Signatures with both text and images may have a maximum of two (2) lines of text, assuming the default font size or smaller. Larger font sizes are not permitted.
50,000 bytes or less: Maximum of 500 pixels wide x 120 pixels tall
I actually didn't realise (or remember rather) there was a image+text rule, kinda the first time I've heard of such a thing to be honest :heh:
I guess what caught me out was too many lines.
The issue is in the PM I recieved; i was given a preview of what it looks like in a 500 pixel box, which is as so.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4499/sig2i.jpg
And on my monitor for all my posts, it currently looks like so:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1885/sig1p.jpg
(I'm not sure how others see it)
On my end, as I see it on my screen, I'd only have to get rid of 1 line, but according to that preview I received, I'd still be breaking the forum rules without realising.
So is there a link or feature in which i can copy the code from my CP so I can see how it's displayed in a 500 pixel box, as to not be breaking the rules anymore?
So is there a link or feature in which i can copy the code from my CP so I can see how it's displayed in a 500 pixel box, as to not be breaking the rules anymore?
No, no more than there is a link or feature which tells you the image size is 50,000 bytes or less. It is up to the user to determine if the sig doesn't exceed the forum rules.
Mystique
2009-04-07, 20:04
No, no more than there is a link or feature which tells you the image size is 50,000 bytes or less. It is up to the user to determine if the sig doesn't exceed the forum rules.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/mystiques_wish/Smileys/sigh.gif
That's the thing Xris. What did you use to view it in a 500 pixel box, cause it's not written as part of the rules.
'Please check and view in a 500 pixel box to make sure your signiture complies.'
Images are easy, i can check size and dimensions in photoshop or something, but as for text, I can only go by what appears on my screen, unless limited by a character count. There is no way I can determine this, because if you hadn't shown me this preview, I'd never had known about the "500 pixel box" or even what it looks like (4 lines).
I'd have just gone by the 2 line rule as written in the rules and you'd still have slapped me with another warning.
Well, you've just done so now.
As it's currently written, it's a flaw then.
I can take my quotes out completely, cause I sense oncoming doom for me if i press on it and I'm already too stressed out on it offline as it is.
I have no method of counting words in a sentence to fit within a parameter that I have no access to and for me to simply use 2 lines would still be breaking the rules, by 1 line, because of the 500 pixel box rule.
That of which I was unware of because it isn't stated in the forum rules and as I've just found out by Xris last post, there is no particular tool/method to measure the length of text to comply with all the signiture rules for this website.
It doesn't solve the problem if others fall into the same trap in the future.
(But at least, people will be aware now?)
"Users have to determine what is accepted not simply by the rules as they're written and via the monitor that they can see, but by pure guesswork and if they guess wrong, they're penalised."
The fact that it's only called against me about 3 months later (with quotes added) also makes me incredibly weary, I suspect that's because the offense is minute, it's not blantently intrusive (adjustment of text).
But rules are rules.
I don't mind following them as much as I can to avoid a ban, maintain the peace and so on, but in this particular case, i feel like a loophole is being used against me.
What signature rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rules_3_1) are you reading?
edit:
Right, I see the problem. You think normally, hence why you have problems. Think of the rules like this: "1 line = 1 line break"; its nonsense I know but that's how they are applied. Your lines should also be under normal zoom circumstances (no font-size, user scripts or special settings) at most what is in any browser 700px.
Post your signature here in a quote, I and others can tell you if its good or not.
Mystique
2009-04-07, 20:53
What signature rules (http://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rules_3_1) are you reading?
The same signiture rules you just linked. I quoted them with my first post.
edit:
Right, I see the problem. You think normally, hence why you have problems. Think of the rules like this: "1 line = 1 line break"; its nonsense I know but that's how they are applied. Your lines should also be under normal zoom circumstances (no font-size, user scripts or special settings) at most what is in any browser 700px.
Post your signature here in a quote, I and others can tell you if its good or not.
I think normally, so that's an issue, you're saying?
I can see from Xris' post, that on his end, it counts like 5 lines, thus the 1 line = 1 line break'
Thus I posted what I see from my monitor and it's broken as 3.
(The screenshots of both are in my post, open the spoilers)
So even if I simply took the top one off, to me it's a 2 line break. (Hurray, it fits with the rules!, I'd think)
To Xris, it still is a 3 line break and thus I am in the wrong by 1 line.
So I'm asking, how/where did he make that check, so that I can do the same, either by using other smaller quotes or messing with the font sizes as to not offend anyone.
He said "there is no tool, I just have to determine it."
You're now making specifics that aren't stated for the mass (no font size usage)
At present, I've lost the code and format that I applied to my sig back in Jan cause it's been wiped.
I can track down the image link and I can add the two quotes, but it doesn't solve the problem that I cannot see what others see 500 pixel box wise.
If you're willing to be my eyes, then give me time to dig up everything again and i'll send you the code.
Cat's job is to keep the mods on their toes and off their feed :)
Since browsers can be resized willy-nilly and the user can over-ride font tags, "lines of text" is pretty much useless. If you think about it -- coming up with a rule that essentially means "please don't consume half the page with your .sig especially if you're a one-line poster with an outrageously sized .sig" in technical terms is an interesting problem.
In my imaginary world, I'd probably just set a maximum # of characters for a certain font size and scale from that. For this forum, I just tend to choose short quotes.
The signature was quoted in the PM. Hence the appearance of extra lines due to word wrapping. The issue was not with the 500 pixel size, but the third quote which brings your lines of text to three instead of the maximum of two as stated in the rules. You can see this in the picture of your signature as it appears on your screen.
The check for lines of text is simple. One break = one line.
1. This counts as a line.
2.
3. ^ So does the blank line.
The font size rule is stated in the rules - default or smaller, nothing larger, and two lines max regardless of font size if including an image, six lines with no image.
It's all pretty cut and dry.
Mystique
2009-04-08, 07:21
The signature was quoted in the PM. Hence the appearance of extra lines due to word wrapping. The issue was not with the 500 pixel size, but the third quote which brings your lines of text to three instead of the maximum of two as stated in the rules. You can see this in the picture of your signature as it appears on your screen.
The check for lines of text is simple. One break = one line.
1. This counts as a line.
2.
3. ^ So does the blank line.
The font size rule is stated in the rules - default or smaller, nothing larger, and two lines max regardless of font size if including an image, six lines with no image.
It's all pretty cut and dry.
I've no problem with that solace and I see the wrap around. But call it intuition here, if I was to simply remove the top quote, on my screen it would be two lines, but it wouldn't be the end of the story so I can go on my merry way.
Take a peak at the example Xris supplied that I put in the first spoiler:
Second quote = anywhere + Van Wilder = an extra line.
Yet on my screen, it fits on one line.
I am not disputing that I broke the rules with 3 lines, I want to know what parameters did Xris use to penalise me with.
He didn't say 'You have 3 lines instead of 2, but I have 5'.
And using his example, when I see 2 lines, he'll see 3 lines and heh heh, I'm sure I'll get slapped with something more or other, hence I'm real hesistant to try to replace it, text wise.
So to avoid troubles in the future, I need to know how or what setting he's viewing, so I can set my signiture according to it, so he has nothing to pin me on.
Rather I feel I should be asking the other mods or admins, (if i can replicate the settings that is).
Did people see it as 3 lines, 4 lines or 5?
If this is a resolution issue, shouldn't it be stated in the rules that it needs to conform to a 640x840 screen or something?
Thus my persistance.
It's not enough to simply amend it because I cannot amend it beyond how I see it and as I'm experiencing, we're seeing different things.
Sigh. The window a browser in viewed in is different for different people because the window can be resized to whatever width you want. Just because someone might have a screen resolution of 1280 by 1024 pixels doesn't mean the browser is viewed full screen.
The sig limit (of 500 x 160 pixels) is a compromise based on viewing the forum in a smallish (nowadays) browser window. The idea is that with a 500 x 160 sig (be it an image, text or mixed) that it doesn't "waste" too much space when viewing a thread and doesn't distort the page. For example, if your browser window is about 760 pixels wide then viewing a thread then sig of 500 pixels width doesn't cause any problem.
Now of course, text can wrap and it wraps depending on the width of the browser window. The idea is that if viewed on a browser 760 pixels wide then how many lines of text does the sig take up.
If you don't know how "wide" the browser needs to be (to approximate 760 pixels), then all you need to do is find a user with a 500 pixel wide sig (e.g. KawaiiKimmy currently has such a sig). View a post they have made and adjust your browser window so the image doesn't cause any distortion on the page layout. If you do this then the sig that Mystique was using changes from this...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic79314_1.gif
"The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything; they just make the most of everything that comes along their way."
"Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere." - Van Wilder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283111/quotes)
"If you ain't laughin', you ain't livin'." - Carlos Mencia
3 lines of text.
to this...
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic79314_1.gif
"The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything; they just make the
most of everything that comes along their way."
"Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you
anywhere." - Van Wilder (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283111/quotes)
"If you ain't laughin', you ain't livin'." - Carlos Mencia
5 lines of text.
BTW, I've already provided this info to Mystique before. I've also provided the source of his old sig as well.
I've lost the code and format that I applied to my sig back in Jan cause it's been wiped.
This is totally incorrect, if you bothered to read the PM I sent you then you will see the entire source of your previous sig is included. It was also included in entirety in the Warning that was sent.
The fact that it's only called against me about 3 months later (with quotes added) also makes me incredibly weary, I suspect that's because the offense is minute, it's not blantently intrusive (adjustment of text).
So in other words, because you have been using the same sig for 3 months it somehow doesn't have to conform to the forum rules anymore? "But officer, I was speeding 3 months ago so that allows me to speed now, the ticket you handed me is invalid", Yeah, right.
Or do you really think we check every sig of every user, every day to ensure it hasn't been changed and is still within the limits. If we happen to notice an oversize sig then in most cases we warn the user about it, but only if we happen to notice it.
I noticed your oversize sig so I sent you a PM, I didn't even send you a Warning. You clearly saw the PM I sent and you decided to ignore it and post in this thread, that was when I sent you a Warning.
Mystique
2009-04-08, 09:07
This is totally incorrect, if you bothered to read the PM I sent you then you will see the entire source of your previous sig is included. It was also included in entirety in the Warning that was sent...
...I noticed your oversize sig so I sent you a PM, I didn't even send you a Warning. You clearly saw the PM I sent and you decided to ignore it and post in this thread, that was when I sent you a Warning.
I read the pm and saw your preview. What I didn't know was that the code was below the screen in the 'Quick Reply' section regardless, since my previous sig was still on display at the time.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7273/sig4.jpg
I glanced at that, checked the rules and saw that it was meant to be 2 lines.
I also noticed that this wouldn't solve the issue with the middle quote which split into 2, so I needed to gain info on how to view it in a 500 pixel box.
Xris: This is what it looks like in a 500 pixel width box
Me thinking: What's a 500 pixel width box? :confused:
If I ignored your pre warning, I'd have not come into here asking for help on how to determine that wrap around issue, which of now you've provided an explaination above using KawaiiKimmy as an example that I can work from.
"Adjust your browser window so the image doesn't cause any distortion on the page layout." - Is info you're supplying now which I appreciate, thank you.
It's also something I've no idea how to do, but I'm gonna go ask around.
What I'd have done this morning is simply what you see in my sig now (make it 2 lines as the forum rules state).
At present it looks like this to me:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4093/sig3h.jpg
I don't know how the majority see from my sig now (2 or 3 lines), but I think if nothing else, we both agree that it's still violating the rules, correct?
Only, I'd never have known, nor would I have been able to see how.
Now you've mentioned it, I'm gonna mess with the quotes, so it doesn't wrap in that parameter.
So in other words, because you have been using the same sig for 3 months it somehow doesn't have to conform to the forum rules anymore? "But officer, I was speeding 3 months ago so that allows me to speed now, the ticket you handed me is invalid", Yeah, right.
Or do you really think we check every sig of every user, every day to ensure it hasn't been changed and is still within the limits. If we happen to notice an oversize sig then in most cases we warn the user about it, but only if we happen to notice it.
I'm no more above the law than any of the members. Taking into account other factors that have recently occured, I just found the timing incredibly ironic when I woke up this morning, thus my weariness, but it didn't stop me from immediately taking steps to try to figure this out so it'd comply.
KholdStare
2009-04-08, 11:00
In this case, I completely disagree with the 500 px box thing. We need to conform to change, not compromise the convenience of most for a few. I would think that at this age in technology, a 760 pixel wide signature for text would be perfectly acceptable. If you choose to browse AnimeSuki on half of your screen, then everything will wrap differently, not just your signature. Since the posts themselves are longer, the signatures can be longer, since the proportions would still be the same, no?
Yes, there is no doubt that Mystique broke the rules. The problem is the rules need to change or else we're going to serve people living in the past and punish others who are more normal.
PS: I would have a problem with the signature restrictions for those on "dial-up," but it does make viewing pages faster whatever internet connection you're using, so I'm fine with that.
Mystique
2009-04-08, 18:49
I think at present, the text in my signature should be correct now.
I'm also going to suggest the same thing. I don't know when the rules were written, but the signature rules need to be revised to reflect the technology used today. My laptop is 2 and a half years old with a screen that isn't so big, but yes the resolution in this, is the (what I was thinking was standard nowadays) 1280x720 or so.
If Animesuki wants to stick by the 500px rules (it's their prerogative) then it needs to be clearly stated in the rules along the lines of:
* Image and Text
Signatures with both text and images may have a maximum of two (2) lines of text, assuming the default font size or smaller. Larger font sizes are not permitted.
50,000 bytes or less: Maximum of 500 pixels wide x 120 pixels tall
NB: The length of a line of text must not exceed the length of an image width of 500 pixels. Doing so will result in the line splitting into two, which will add to your line count despite the resolutions on your monitor.
Or something like that.
The issue here wasn't a simple case of the number of lines as it's currently written in the forum rules, but the length.
"50,000 bytes or less: Maximum of 500 pixels wide x 120 pixels tall"
I took that as the diameters for the image which I interpreted as:
'If text is added then the height of the image needs to be shortened."
It's too vague.
Mini side note, I had figured a simpler way to measure the length of the sentence and it was to align the sentence with an image as part of my signature that was 500 pixels wide as shown in spoiler. Didn't have to amend browser settings, maybe that'll help others with a similar problem in the future. :)
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7812/sig500px.jpg
Had I simply complied asap with what was written in the forum rules when Xris gave me the pre-warning, an argument may have spouted like this:
Xris: This is a pre warning, check the forum rules. Your sig is 5 lines and 114px in height.
Me: *checks* Oh crap, I'm only allowed 2 lines, not good.
Me: *takes off top quote so it becomes 2 lines as she sees it."
*some moments later*
Xris: *slaps on warning infraction*
Me: *annoyed* What are you giving me an infraction for?! I followed the forum rules!!!
Xris: For signature violation. It's still 3 lines.
Me: No it's not, it's 2 lines!!! <insert random insult questioning his eyesight>
I'm sure you get the idea, and yes I do write most of my posts (when not approaching a serious subject) with a hint of comic twist to them, typically laced with various degrees of sarcasm, but I'm sure offline, seeing how frustrated I've been, my insults would have been free flowing.
If my signature is fine now, then it's safe to let this matter settle on my personal account, but I would like the staff to review and possibly update the rules to reflect the users and the technology that the majority are likely to use at present.
(And dare I ask, have the warning infraction reversed on account that I was ignoring Xris' pre-warning.)
Anisha93
2009-04-26, 11:40
I tried to upload my signature many times but i just cannot view it:confused:What could be the reason??
Daniel E.
2009-04-26, 11:51
I tried to upload my signature many times but i just cannot view it:confused:What could be the reason??
Go to User CP then Edit Options --> Visible Post Elements and then check Show Signatures
Anisha93
2009-04-26, 12:15
Go to User CP then Edit Options --> Visible Post Elements and then check Show Signatures
I enabled it but the signature still doesn't show up:(
The signature i am trying to upload are in jpg format and can be previewed in the 'edit signature' page but can't be viewed in the profile.
I enabled it but the signature still doesn't show up:
You need to include the bbcode in your sig for a start. I've edited your profile and added to your sig, it now shows up. Well, it now shows for me at least in your profile (it didn't before) and it should show in any posts you now make.
Why not ask my question here.
I don't want to be yelled at again by the mods, so I want to know either how to lower the size of my sig, or if the size limit (Which is 48kb, correct?) can be changed.
Does this affect linked signatures too?
Cause I prefer .png for images, but they all pass this limit.
Anything I can do? Besides use crappy quality.
First , changing the way to change your sig's size may deppend of what software you are usung for making them ( and the re is not much chance than the maximum size will be augmented soon )
Second it only affect the signature you are using.
And third, using png8 could be a good alternative insted of png24
I use Image Ready/Paint So yeah.
I mean if you upload on other sites and link them to here.
...What?
Does this affect linked signatures too?The concern is with individual loading page loading time, so yes it effects those as well.
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