Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei OVA - Episode 2 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Klashikari

2009-03-13, 13:56

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USCPharmacist

2009-03-13, 14:15

Dude I was editing man.

Anyway, poor Rika chan, you need to take care of your save game better, otherwise.....muahhahah

"Perfect End" is "Perfect".

P.S. Helmet is your friend

Rias

2009-03-14, 02:59

Another great epsiode directed by Kawase (seriously they have to put this guy as the director for umineko instead of Kon Chiaki)

It's been a while since I've played Saikoroshi-hen, so my memory is abit fuzzy on the details. However, I think the epsiode has been pretty faithful to the epsiode: from Rika's accident to finding out more about the new world. Of course, some of the details of the new worlds (such as dealing with Satoshi/Satoko and their new dad) isn't explained fully, but it's also caused by the lack of detail at that part in last season's Kakera Musubi.

Of course, the main thing that bugged me is Rika having a L4-5 moment with Rena. I think the scary thing about Saikoroshi-hen isn't about them L4-5 moments, but rather the setting of the world and Rika's reaction to it. As such, I felt it was unnecessary to add in that moment...

Klashikari

2009-03-14, 13:15

EndlessDestiny

2009-03-14, 20:22

Isn't it not out yet? I thought it came out the 25th.

Klashikari

2009-03-14, 20:24

it is exactly the same situation than the first one: it got a early streaming broadcast. The actual release date is for the DVD, and shortly after, the blue ray.

LVD

2009-03-15, 17:34

I'm surprised how accurate this has been so far. The only thing that caught me off guard was when Rika was near the construction area at the end as I was wondering how they'd end it. I was thinking first chapter would be episode two, chapters two/three would be episode three and then chapters four/five would be episode four. Guess not.

Well, we're nearly done the first chapter, with two more episodes to go. Let's hope the real meaty part of Saikoroshi-hen stays as true as possible to Ryukishi07's writing.
Tamura Yukari ftw.
Of course, the main thing that bugged me is Rika having a L4-5 moment with Rena. I think the scary thing about Saikoroshi-hen isn't about them L4-5 moments, but rather the setting of the world and Rika's reaction to it. As such, I felt it was unnecessary to add in that moment...I didn't like this either. When I saw it in the preview for the first episode, I was worried about what they were going to do with Saikoroshi-hen. I mean, at this point, Rika knows that Rena is actually still Reina. Why add the L4-5 moment? Is hearing Rika talking to herself about what's going on not enough of a clue to the viewer or am I spoilt for having actually read Saikoroshi-hen?

My only other real "complaint" is how I don't find Yamamoto's laugh as hearty enough as I imagined it to be, humu~
I still don't like the way they did the eyes.

holyalexander

2009-03-15, 18:29

its always excellent and it will keep getting better..

Rias

2009-03-15, 20:20

Actually, the L4-5 portions were a very fine addition to cover up the lack of "descriptive narration", and it shows very well what Rika was expecting.
In fact, this kind of feature will be a good clue/hint about the whole mess related to "Furude Rika" existence.

I see where you are getting at, but looking at the setting of the world:

In a world that's rid of the Hinamizawa Syndrome, our Rika-chama gets a L4-5 moment. Moreover, Rika-chama gets a L4-5 moment even tho the only time she has experienced that is getting C-120 injected in her in the worlds she fights Shion, so it's hard to argue that the scene is a flashback for her.

Joly

2009-03-15, 23:56

Cute seeing a happy Rika riding her bike and being a kid. But while seeing her act that way and try to shove Satoko on the road... ahaha, I kind of wanted to scream. That is so dangerous. XD;

Klashikari

2009-03-16, 02:51

In a world that's rid of the Hinamizawa Syndrome, our Rika-chama gets a L4-5 moment. Moreover, Rika-chama gets a L4-5 moment even tho the only time she has experienced that is getting C-120 injected in her in the worlds she fights Shion, so it's hard to argue that the scene is a flashback for her.
Actually, I didn't consider these as L4-5 moments for "Furude Rika". Rather, these scenes were actually lingering memories which included the general L4-5 we know from certain character.
The thing is these portions are from "Frederica" which were rather shown as an expectation or temporary memory overwriting, but "Furude Rika" point of view soon kicks in (as well as reality) and we simply get the real scene afterwards. I don't think it is actually an hallucination a la L4-5, but rather a sense of "deja vu" which is actually not real.

kingsky123

2009-03-16, 04:55

Cute seeing a happy Rika riding her bike and being a kid. But while seeing her act that way and try to shove Satoko on the road... ahaha, I kind of wanted to scream. That is so dangerous. XD;

lmao, that is like the morale of the story in rei xD

EndlessDestiny

2009-03-16, 13:04

I can't wait till the dvd's released and subbed. I also wish there was a scanlation for the manga.

USCPharmacist

2009-03-17, 02:23

So, after loli-punted by the truck to this "perfect world", what will Rika do? Live, and see her village get flooded and move on to her new life without her friends, or died, and perhaps risk going back to that endless cycle of death so she may have a chance to be with her friend again? Decision, decision....

龍騎士07 is indeed a jerk lol, but Rika reaped what she sow.

blitz1/2

2009-03-18, 11:22

Solafighter

2009-03-18, 14:55

Already out?

Faster, than i expected. :cool:

Meri-chan

2009-03-18, 15:21

When Yamamoto shows up, the comments on niconico all say "Gorie, Gorie, etc."
...What do they mean? Is this "go-rie" in contrast to "i-rie"? I don't get it.

Klashikari

2009-03-18, 15:34

Probably combining Irie with "Gori" from Gorilla? :heh:

Change of Pace

2009-03-18, 21:08

... So it's gonna be a while till we get the OVA eps subbed, hm? Darn. So just to clarify they're aired on some closed channel and then DVD released per episode? What's the time gap between the two?

Also, just wondering; will the OVA end on a positive note or not? The second season left me feeling so damn fulfilled... I'm wondering whether I need to have that last episode open and ready to watch at the OVA's end, in case I need an uplift xD

Ithekro

2009-03-18, 21:44

The last episode is suppose to be of a third arc based on Daybreak...so an over the top comedy arc I assume.

Eryops

2009-03-19, 13:32

Actually, I didn't consider these as L4-5 moments for "Furude Rika". Rather, these scenes were actually lingering memories which included the general L4-5 we know from certain character.
The thing is these portions are from "Frederica" which were rather shown as an expectation or temporary memory overwriting, but "Furude Rika" point of view soon kicks in (as well as reality) and we simply get the real scene afterwards. I don't think it is actually an hallucination a la L4-5, but rather a sense of "deja vu" which is actually not real.
And perhaps they also wanted to have an excuse to put a character looking crazy in the previous episode preview. :)

But I agree it's meant to show how very different from Rika's expectations that world is.

Deathkillz

2009-03-28, 09:52

Seems like this will be a two episode arc then :)
You gotta feel sorry for Rika...if it wasn't bad enough to be stuck in a world where she was always killed in some way, now she is in a world where none of that will happen but everything is turned upside down...ironically, it seems like she wants the good o' days back and I don't blame her, it is way too freaky to not see Takano anywhere in the ep :heh:

Rena still scares me in this world though nonetheless :heh:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1685/snapshot20090328144745.th.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20090328144745.jpg)

berry01

2009-03-29, 13:53

can someone tell me that Higurashi no naku koro ni Special Nekogoroshi is the sequel of Higurashi no naku koro ni Kai? or is the Higurashi no naku koro ni Rei is the sequel of Higurashi no naku koro ni Kai, i'm really confused here, cause i didn't watch Higurashi no naku koro ni Special Nekogoroshi yet :eyespin:

rogerpepitone

2009-03-29, 14:32

Nekogoroshi comes between seasons 1 and 2.

Avisch

2009-03-29, 14:37

Nekogoroshi is a standalone side story.

Rei Episode 1 is a comedy side-story.

Rei Episodes 2-4 will be an arc that is a sequel

Rei Episode 5 is a comedy side story

(do I have this right?)

berry01

2009-03-29, 15:17

i see, is special nekogoroshi is an OVA or something?

Avisch

2009-03-29, 22:24

i see, is special nekogoroshi is an OVA or something?

It just explores a small mystery in Hinamizawa. It doesn't go into any of "Keichi/Shion/Rena Kills ___"

berry01

2009-03-30, 01:32

ok, thanks a lot

Golden Witch Drugs

2009-03-30, 15:49

I never really got Nekogoroshi-hen, that man down in the quarry... I never got who he was x) He looked like one of Takanos minions though.

Ithekro

2009-03-30, 16:25

Base of operations perhaps? Abandoned town...no one goes there and such.

MarthX

2009-03-30, 21:01

I figured it was where TOKYO was storing the poisonous gas in case of an outbreak.

Golden Witch Drugs

2009-03-31, 12:52

I figured it was where TOKYO was storing the poisonous gas in case of an outbreak.

Hmm... That sounds quite reasonable actually :O

LVD

2009-03-31, 17:41

Seems like this will be a two episode arc then :)We've only covered 1/3rd of the story. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=9199&page=25) Episode one didn't even finish all of chapter one in the sound novel.

Orophin

2009-03-31, 17:54

Episode one didn't even finish all of chapter one in the sound novel.

And it's five chapters long. That said, I hope they won't cut Bernkastel once again...

LVD

2009-04-01, 15:10

Argh, I understand the whole Rena L4~5 thing, but i's just weird to see. It does seem like it's put there for the whole infamous paranoia scenes back from season one to contrast with the previous comedic episode. Or something. I keep giggling as I'm re-watching the OVA and can't think properly.
And it's five chapters long. That said, I hope they won't cut Bernkastel once again...But chapter one is pretty much 1/3rd of Saikoroshi-hen, so it makes sense. There's no way they can cut out Fredrica Bernkastel out from this, either.

Re-watching this subbed for fun, I still lol at the talk about K1's furry seal "little bro". >_>;

Dansen

2009-04-01, 19:52

I liked this episode...although I'm curious. If this takes place after Matsuribayashi-hen, why was Hanyuu a ghost when they were riding their bikes home? And after watching this episode I find myself liking the art style more.

zerograde

2009-04-01, 20:34

rogerpepitone

2009-04-01, 20:49

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showa_Era

Icehawk

2009-04-01, 21:55

Just finnished watching episode 2 for a second time now. The new OP fits perfectly coming in just after Rika has her accident with the truck, the symbolism and choice of images makes alot more sense now then when it was first used in the completely comedic episode 1 and the new theme song, while not as powerful as the first 2, is still good and is growing on me the more I listen to it.

As for the rest... I honestly can't really find fault with anything in this episode... I have to give it a solid 10. It hits all the right spots for what I've come to expect from this series. I havent read/played the original digi-novels so I can't compare, but I'd say this was a very good start to this final chapter in the Higurashi saga. About the only thing I'm pissed at is now I have to wait 2 damn months to see the next episode. :(

MarthX

2009-04-01, 23:15

What is this "L4-5" you speak of ? I'm not very familiar with the Higurashi short code descriptions even though I've watched all the series.

Also, could someone explain what the whole "showa" thing Rika was talking about ?

L4 and L5 are levels for the Hinamizawa Syndrome. 5 is the highest and 4 is the second highest. The higher the level, the worse the condition is.

UnknownBeast

2009-04-02, 01:32

I liked this episode...although I'm curious. If this takes place after Matsuribayashi-hen, why was Hanyuu a ghost when they were riding their bikes home?

Could someone answer this... or to put it another way, how did the VN presented this scene?

FlareKnight

2009-04-02, 11:54

Well finally got a chance to see this. Poor Rika just can't catch a break :sad:. Things are going nicely, she's just trying to enjoy herself after god knows how long of a hellish nightmare.

These worlds come out randomly but this seems way too bizarre. I could see random chance making a couple of these things happen. But for every single good possible thing to happen to the other characters is just weird. Takano not being there is just sending up weird flags. She is always there no matter what other things change.

It's just too bad that the OVA episodes are spread out like that. I really want to see the next part now :heh:.

Eryops

2009-04-02, 12:04

I figured it was where TOKYO was storing the poisonous gas in case of an outbreak.
Yes. In one of the pieces (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=696384&postcount=10) Takano specifically states that this is the case.

I liked this episode...although I'm curious. If this takes place after Matsuribayashi-hen, why was Hanyuu a ghost when they were riding their bikes home? And after watching this episode I find myself liking the art style more.
Hanyuu was corporeal when she and Rika spoke to Ichirou but incorporeal again afterwards. There's no reason to think she can't switch between the two states at will.

Baru

2009-04-02, 12:10

I just can't help but think that the last scene in Kai (with Frederica and Miyoko) was a big foreshadowing of this, in fact, "Frederica" may have set Rika up the bomb... err... set this whole scenario up just to see Rika's reaction... quite amusing though... what IS Rika going to do about this?

all-in-all, great Episode, I look forward to the next part

izmosmolnar

2009-04-02, 12:25

I loved that episode, simply for the reason why I really liked higurashi in the past. It makes the viewer to come up with his/her own theories and compare those with later episodes how close it was true.

I've found it strange Rika didn't included Hanyuu when she said "thanks to the clubmembers she finally triumphed".

The other thing that started to bug me comes after when she wokes up in the next world. I may be totally off and laugh how far is my crazy theory when I watch next episode, but I actually think, that world is a continuation of the epilogue when Frederika/grown Rika (I'm still not sure which she was supposed to be) prevented Takano's real dad to get in the bus accident, so she didn't pursued old Dr. Takano's research, as she wasn't an orphan.
The proof that Dr. Takano was interested in the syndrom here on that world too, is how he founded/had some relation with the people who founded the clinic, as they/he named it after him. By that logic if the syndrom wouldn't exist in that world, he probably wouldn't have been that interested to scientifically research a completely normal small town.

Therefore the project to station a research team in Hinamizawa didn't happened, because nurse Takano (what was her name Miyano or something, I'm so forgetful with japanese names of the unsympathetic characters) didn't even know the existence of him and he didn't had any capable successor. As the Tokyo group was not established here, they didn't kidnapped the minister's son, so eventually the Dam construction got approved (that's the theorys weakest part, gonna elaborate it at the end)

Because the opposition didn't went far (I assume the Tokyo group supported the whole opposition, more on that later), the Houjo family escaped their role as a scapegoat, that's why satoko didn't killed her parents because no one bullied them for supporting the dam. Of course because the Houjo parents are still alive, Satoshi-Satoko didn't moved in with their uncle (to Bel Air. And they didn't whistled for a cab. Haha I couldn't resist :D ), so Satoshi didn't went berserk here either.
Because Hinamizawa going to be a lake next year, K1's family probably moved to a different peaceful town, as it's unlikely they want to move here for such a short time only (I reckon the government wouldn't even allow it anyway).
Further proof that the syndrome exist is how the superstition was present that they shouldn't move anywhere fearing from Oyashiro's wrath. (The scene actually hints that Rika's parents are probably still alive. I honestly don't know why she couldn't be happy to see them again even if for a short time only. Especially considering when could have been the last time she seen them...)

If I assume everything so far, what I don't understand is the following:
Where is Hanyuu here? She isn't related in any way to nurse takano's early days.
If we assume the hinamizawa syndrome exist (it is heavily implied) the demons which inhabitated Hinamizawa centuries ago (I assume they are Hanyuu's race hence the horns) should have existed here too. I've found it actually strange that Rika was rather looking for K1 before trying to find her long time companion Hanyuu. Probably we gonna find out next episode though, hauhau nano desu~.

What I mentioned before and I still don't understand fully, is 5 years ago when the residents was opposing the Dam construction -even if it was weak-. (mind you I may be remembering that wrong, I watched it quite some time ago) The very first killing aka the Dismemberment of the Dam supervisor was not the action of the Tokyo group (they wouldn't have kidnapped the minister son than).
As far as I remember it happened because the workers went nuts, supposedly because of all the hate and resentment from the opposing residents caused the syndrome to escalate. But they opposed here too! So why didn't the first murder happened here? I assume (assumed before) that nurse Takano's group were supporting the opposition against the Dam construction and probably stirring up trouble to both parties in order to gain time and they could kidnap the minister's son. What I don't like in that part of the theory, is how we didn't seen any firm proof wether the Tokyo group where supporting the opposition in any way or not.

Uh such a long unrefined post, sorry about it, my mind is still a bit fuzzy.

edit:
I just can't help but think that the last scene in Kai (with Frederica and Miyoko) was a big foreshadowing of this, in fact, "Frederica" may have set Rika up the bomb... err... set this whole scenario up just to see Rika's reaction... quite amusing though... what IS Rika going to do about this?

all-in-all, great Episode, I look forward to the next part
lol almost my thoughts exactly

Jimmy C

2009-04-02, 14:11

The very first killing aka the Dismemberment of the Dam supervisor
As far as I remember it happened because the workers went nuts, supposedly because of all the hate and resentment from the opposing residents caused the syndrome to escalate. But they opposed here too! So why didn't the first murder happened here?

The impression I get from the episode was that opposition to the Dam Project was weak and defused early. As a result, hate and resentment didn't build up to the point of driving the dam construction workers beserk. So no murder.

Because Hinamizawa going to be a lake next year, K1's family probably moved to a different peaceful town,

It's actually more than that from what I've heard. But we don't know if it will be mentioned in the next episode, so let's not talk about it now. You can find some of the details in other discussions here. The common theme within Reina and Satoko's backgrounds should be enough of a clue.

The proof that Dr. Takano was interested in the syndrom here on that world too, is how he founded/had some relation with the people who founded the clinic, as they/he named it after him. By that logic if the syndrom wouldn't exist in that world, he probably wouldn't have been that interested to scientifically research a completely normal small town.

I'd speculate that, without Miyo around, Mifumi spent the last of his resources to establish the clinic as a cover for limited personal research after his backers walked out on him. It looks like he didn't manage much progress before dying and his research died with him.

izmosmolnar

2009-04-02, 14:36

The impression I get from the episode was that opposition to the Dam Project was weak and defused early. As a result, hate and resentment didn't build up to the point of driving the dam construction workers beserk. So no murder.

Yeah that's for sure, but what I am interested in finding out is why was the opposition weak here? Was it because in normal worlds the Tokyo groups stirs up trouble between the two groups, perhaps in order to gain time? We haven't seen any hard evidence which supports that so far, and my initial response was that they wouldn't even interfere, because it could endanger their secrecy, plus they are kidnapping the minister's son anyway so why bother with it.
If I am not far from the truth, we gonna find out soon anyway, but I really like to speculate about that. Actually that's the reason why I liked the first Higurashi series more, as it gives you so much to speculate about, while I didn't particularly enjoyed quite some episodes in the Kai series (like yeah let's unite Voltron throughout 3 episodes, in order to gain Satoko's freedom from her vile scheming Uncle! Plus all of Takano's past didn't really left me with much to think about. I actually felt an urge to skip those parts)

It's actually more than that from what I've heard. But we don't know if it will be mentioned in the next episode, so let's not talk about it now. You can find some of the details in other discussions here. The common theme within Reina and Satoko's backgrounds should be enough of a clue.
Well, that seems like the most logical cause (at least for me), but because that's not twisted and complicated enough (and it would leave K1 fanboys out at the beginning of the season especially), I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why he's not here is something else. I'm avoiding spoilers like a plague, so as I said I may be totally off about everything :) .

I'd speculate that, without Miyo around, Mifumi spent the last of his resources to establish the clinic as a cover for limited personal research after his backers walked out on him. It looks like he didn't manage much progress before dying and his research died with him.
I agree, your theory actually sounds more reasonable.

Eryops

2009-04-02, 15:35

Yeah that's for sure, but what I am interested in finding out is why was the opposition weak here? Was it because in normal worlds the Tokyo groups stirs up trouble between the two groups, perhaps in order to gain time? We haven't seen any hard evidence which supports that so far, and my initial response was that they wouldn't even interfere, because it could endanger their secrecy, plus they are kidnapping the minister's son anyway so why bother with it.
Takano fought tooth and nail to prevent the flooding of Hinamizawa. Without her and her patrons' support, perhaps the government was much more strongly in favor of the project and Oriou realized that she didn't have any chances of victory. And of course, the event that saved Hinamizawa was the withdrawal of the minister of construction's support from the dam project.
Well, that seems like the most logical cause (at least for me), but because that's not twisted and complicated enough (and it would leave K1 fanboys out at the beginning of the season especially), I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why he's not here is something else. I'm avoiding spoilers like a plague, so as I said I may be totally off about everything :) .
Keiichi managed to bear the stress from being bullied without attacking small children with a BB gun. As a result he never had to leave and go to Hinamizawa.
I agree, your theory actually sounds more reasonable.
Hifumi actually got the funding to study the Hinamizawa Syndrome and he built the clinic using that money.

UnknownBeast

2009-04-02, 22:31

Hanyuu was corporeal when she and Rika spoke to Ichirou but incorporeal again afterwards. There's no reason to think she can't switch between the two states at will.

Hmm.. I see. But when was this again? I can't recall..

Yeah that's for sure, but what I am interested in finding out is why was the opposition weak here? Was it because in normal worlds the Tokyo groups stirs up trouble between the two groups, perhaps in order to gain time? We haven't seen any hard evidence which supports that so far, and my initial response was that they wouldn't even interfere, because it could endanger their secrecy, plus they are kidnapping the minister's son anyway so why bother with it.
If I am not far from the truth, we gonna find out soon anyway, but I really like to speculate about that. Actually that's the reason why I liked the first Higurashi series more, as it gives you so much to speculate about, while I didn't particularly enjoyed quite some episodes in the Kai series (like yeah let's unite Voltron throughout 3 episodes, in order to gain Satoko's freedom from her vile scheming Uncle! Plus all of Takano's past didn't really left me with much to think about. I actually felt an urge to skip those parts)

Could it be because that the Hinamizawa Syndrome didn't exist, therefore they don't have that RAGE caused by it to drive their actions of opposing the dam?

Eryops

2009-04-02, 22:50

Hmm.. I see. But when was this again? I can't recall..
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=745867&postcount=42

Could it be because that the Hinamizawa Syndrome didn't exist, therefore they don't have that RAGE caused by it to drive their actions of opposing the dam?
It exists. If it didn't then Hifumi would have no reason to be interested in Hinamizawa. It's just that without the Dam War nobody got stressed enough to go L5.

KoiYuki

2009-04-02, 23:05

Quick continuity question: In the beginning of the episode, they all reflect to episode 1.. isn't ep 1 supposed to be before Matsuribayashi? And this arc is after? Wtf continuity?

Baru

2009-04-02, 23:30

Quick continuity question: In the beginning of the episode, they all reflect to episode 1.. isn't ep 1 supposed to be before Matsuribayashi? And this arc is after? Wtf continuity?
I think it's better if we just assume that Ep1 has nothing to do with the timeline (it's way too ridiculous to even really occur to begin with), and the reflection is referring to something else that may have played out similarly with Keiichi's... erm... "lil bro"

Jimmy C

2009-04-03, 00:14

Hifumi actually got the funding to study the Hinamizawa Syndrome and he built the clinic using that money.

If that's the case, then I suppose

He actually managed to cure the disease and did it in such a way that no one in the village knew anything about it. I kinda forgot this is the world where everything that could go right did go right.

UnknownBeast

2009-04-03, 02:33

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=745867&postcount=42
Thanks, this explains a lot.

It exists. If it didn't then Hifumi would have no reason to be interested in Hinamizawa. It's just that without the Dam War nobody got stressed enough to go L5.

Oh, yeah..

It was already explained in izmosmolnar's previous post, which I missed somehow. >.<

izmosmolnar

2009-04-03, 05:26

If that's the case, then I suppose

He actually managed to cure the disease and did it in such a way that no one in the village knew anything about it. I kinda forgot this is the world where everything that could go right did go right.

Yeah that might be explainable, but I don't think that's the case. In normal worlds the Tokyo group researched it more than 5 years (5 yearly oyashiro-sama's curse, plus the time between the Dam killing and the establishment of the clinic + old Dr. Takano's research aswell) and they still don't understand the illness fully. Irie mentioned to Shion at the end of Kai episodes, how little they still know about the syndrome, hence why Satoshi is unconscious. Fair enough, the Tokyo group's true secret intention is to gain a chemical weapon from that, but they were trying their very best to research an antidote (especially with the gentle pedo-Irie around)
But if they sacrificed so much funding and researched more than 5+ years with multiple personnel, I find it unlikely that there is a realistic chance that Dr. Takano alone (especially without the assistance of Lambade-, uh I mean nurse Takano) without proper fundings managed to treat all 3000+ residents and eliminate the cause of the illness itself and all these BEFORE the very first Dam murder...
Especially considering how the illness is a regional thing and people doesn't spread it themselves (otherwise even ex-Hinamizawa residents who moved somewhere else would spread it in entire different regions).

Keiichi managed to bear the stress from being bullied without attacking small children with a BB gun. As a result he never had to leave and go to Hinamizawa.

but I hope that's not the case. My whole theory is based on that Frederika/future Rika interfered with nurse Takano's past and prevented her parents to die, so she remained a cute (?) little girl, without ever going evil. (And I believe it's still entirely possible. It's amazing how much a loli's acts can affect the whole future. No wonder they made her into a wit- ehm. going on! :heh: )

But that doesn't involve Keiichi in any way. It's very unlikely that after Frederika interacted with Miyo (think that's her name), she went all the way to somewhere else in Japan (not to mention she had to timetravel too!), so she could prevent K1 to harass little girls.
K1 was never infected with the syndrom (except in the higurashi arcs, but that's after moving there of course) so we cannot even explain it in such a way that, he had been infected with Hinamizawa syndrome which ultimately caused him to shoot little girls with BB guns, because he never even been to Hinamizawa before.
Well whatever. K1 is one of the most popular characters, I'm sure the show going to reveal the truth behind his absence at the later episodes (I just hope they not going to explain it with some kinda absurd reasoning)

Ithekro

2009-04-03, 12:25

Didn't Rika mention during Kai that the reason K1 moved to Hinamizawa was because his father saw two little girls playing in a field? Specifically Rika and Hanyuu, therefore suggesting that Hinamizawa was a good (safe) place to raise children (ironic isn't it?). If this event does not happen, K1 doesn't move to Hinamizawa.

maximilianjenus

2009-04-03, 12:48

It's also very probable that keichi raped little girls or whatever he did to them, but still his parents did not move to hinamisawa, Rika had already mentioned that it has happened before. And that is more likely to happen sicne hinamisawa is oging to be submerged.

Remeber that the reason takano did not get funding was because the guy helping him (I forgot the name) was busy the day he presented his plans; if for some simple random reason (like keichi's parents traveling to tokyo in different days) the whole meeting gets moves one day, he can get funds from tokyo.

There is some talk about 5 years of research, but if takano got funds from tokyo, we are talking that he has 20 or more years of headstart over miyo, so even if it takes him longer to find the cure for the disease, he still has a lot fo time to do so.

izmosmolnar

2009-04-03, 13:45

Remeber that the reason takano did not get funding was because the guy helping him (I forgot the name) was busy the day he presented his plans; if for some simple random reason (like keichi's parents traveling to tokyo in different days) the whole meeting gets moves one day, he can get funds from tokyo.

There is some talk about 5 years of research, but if takano got funds from tokyo, we are talking that he has 20 or more years of headstart over miyo, so even if it takes him longer to find the cure for the disease, he still has a lot fo time to do so.

Yeah that might be true, but I think then we are forgetting something. First: keep it in mind that the whole Tokyo group always intended to gain a weapon from the whole syndrome.
Let's assume the scenario that the tokyo group would have been involved with Dr Takano and Nurse 34 is still all smiles and happy with her own family so she is out of picture:
The Tokyo group would have no reason not to send such messy characters like okonogi (or what was his name, the right hand man, I might mispelled it) and his fellow brigand band to Hinamizawa. Obviously the Tokyo would secretly put someone just as aggressive, cunning person with leadership skills (in the place of nurse 34) in charge there (if that person would be the new doctor I'm deeply impressed with his actorial abilities, as he looks completely incapable of everything :D ). And it was shown in the episode that Okonogi's band is not here because Rika was looking for them too.
Even if we assume Miyo, Okonogi and Co is not here, the Tokyo group would try to prevent the Dam construction in their own way (and they are powerful, so I reckon they could prevent it without them) if they would be interested, because it's unlikely they could have finished researching everything 5years ago regarding the Syndrome (not to mention that the Doctor died x years before that time anyway as it was shown in the nurse's Past, most likely without successor) +found a way to use it as a weapon, +have a manufacturable antidote, and possibly even cured all the people who could have been affected in order to brush everything under the carpet, so no one else can suspect them. (And by the way we all know what their favorite "brushing everything under the carpet" method is...)

Didn't Rika mention during Kai that the reason K1 moved to Hinamizawa was because his father saw two little girls playing in a field? Specifically Rika and Hanyuu, therefore suggesting that Hinamizawa was a good (safe) place to raise children (ironic isn't it?). If this event does not happen, K1 doesn't move to Hinamizawa.
yes but I believe that scene happens only after K1 got into the shooting incident which made his Dad to start looking for a new place where he could work in peace. He was carrying a photomachine as far as I remember which we could interpret it even such a way that he was making photos so they can decide it with mommy or even with Keichii if the place is alright to move. Obviously it might be possible that he was only using photographs to inspire himself later with (he's an artist).

It's also very probable that keichi raped little girls or whatever he did to them, but still his parents did not move to hinamisawa, Rika had already mentioned that it has happened before. And that is more likely to happen sicne hinamisawa is oging to be submerged.
Yeah that's also possible.
I actually just started to think following that.
I was in the impression that multiple things cannot be different in each world, so that's the reason I was assuming that we only need to follow Frederika's interference with Takano, and the result would be pretty much the same as it is now. However! There are no rule which says only one difference can be between Rika's worlds.
Or I go even further. What if Frederika interfered with loli 34 in an already different world (the same one we got after the reboot in now), and that's why some things like K1's absence are "normal" here. I mean not the result of anyone's interference, instead it's only the abnormality by chance, random misfortune in which case, -just like in past worlds according to Rika, his parents simply did not move to Hinamizawa here.

cleed

2009-04-03, 14:37

more pics please. :D

Eryops

2009-04-03, 14:52

It's also very probable that keichi raped little girls or whatever he did to them, but still his parents did not move to hinamisawa, Rika had already mentioned that it has happened before. And that is more likely to happen sicne hinamisawa is oging to be submerged.
No, the VN specifically states that he was able to deal with the stress of being bullied without shooting anyone.
Yeah that might be true, but I think then we are forgetting something. First: keep it in mind that the whole Tokyo group always intended to gain a weapon from the whole syndrome.
The main reason Tokyo decided to fund that project was that Koizumi felt guilty about not being able to help Hifumi, which is why he tried to redeem himself by supporting Myio. Without him pushing for it Tokyo would have never been interested in that project. The fact that they try to cancel it immediately after Koizumi dies is ample evidence of that.

Change of Pace

2009-04-04, 00:48

Man, just got to see it, and jeez, life (or is that Frederica) just can't cut Rika a break. She finally breaks out of the endless circle of despair and lands herself in a completely unfamiliar world where her friends are foreigners and the bonds she earned while facing fate are broken. Throughout the episode, when Rika mentions that technically, this scenario is the best for XYZ characters, the tone of voice she uses and the fact that she doesn't look happy, despite this being the "best scenario", really shows us that this "perfect" world isn't what she wants at all. If it was just her, she wouldn't have fought back so hard in Matsuribayashi-hen; she was fighting for the sake of the friends who would bring about the miracle themselves. And without those friends by her side in Saikoroshi-hen, even though she might not die, she still feels the need to do something about this world, because it feels so intrinsically wrong. This episode really brought out the fact that the perfect world Rika was seeking wasn't just one in which she survived; once she lost the keys to that miracle, the world around her seemed to have lost its colour. Mion's still there, as is Satoko, Reina and even Satoshi, but it's all too different; their physical precense alone isn't enough. Taking the episode at face value at first may not seem like much to a few of my friends who watched it, but when I saw it and contemplated how confused and torn the Rika in this world must feel... it's enough to bring one to tears, really. Just when she rolled the right dice, she's been transported back to that terrible time, which is suddenly devoid of the familiar elements and completely foreign, and completely unwelcoming, without anyone, not even Hanyuu, to give Rika support. It's just... so, so sad. I'm hoping Rika-chama can free herself from this world!

... And yep, this OVA has pretty much reminded me why I fell so head over heels in love with Higurashi in the first place. Personally, I'm loving the new animation style, too, it's very stylistic, especially the eyes, and very cute. Looking back at the first OP, wow, what a difference! Well, either way, all of the seasons had their own specific animation style, and the OVA's really no different! So no complaints from me, this is one satisfied fan! |3

ferthepoet

2009-04-04, 01:46

Can anyone explain Hannyu´s absence in the new world.... its weird that Rika does not even wonder about it?

VRMN

2009-04-04, 03:22

I'm not going to answer the former (future event spoilers), but Rika kind of takes Hanyuu for granted. I'm not shocked she hasn't invoked her yet. She's trying to figure things out still.

Thoguht

2009-04-04, 07:54

Oh wow, just got round to watching this and it's the most frightening episode so far of the whole thing. Yes, it may be a "perfect world", but Rika has no idea of how to "play the game", or even if there is a game to play in the first place. She's lost, clueless, as she confronts the nightmare of purposeless existence that we all face every day. Welcome to the real world, Rika.

Telmah

2009-04-04, 08:13

I really liked this episode.

Here you have a "perfect" world--none of the bad things happen at all--its unique in the way. It isn't so perfect though after all because without the trials Rika and company face, they don't come together as a group. It will doubtless prove a difficult decision for her...does she create pain for her friends in order to create the unity of their friendship? There's all kinds of potential for this to be an illusion of some sort too...really, really difficult to predict.

The reason I like it so much is it puts doubt in the idea of a perfect world. Pain happens for a reason. Without suffering we cannot achieve real happiness either--its the contrast that brings things out in life.

Orophin

2009-04-04, 09:59

Can anyone explain Hannyu´s absence in the new world.... its weird that Rika does not even wonder about it?

She did notice it in the game:

...... With such atmosphere, the back Satoko who dashed with her back turned to me looked very cold, and sad.

If the Satoko I know well had hurt me so that I'd be carried to the school infirmary, she'd probably stay with me the whole time....

In the end, until her footsteps disappeared, Satoko did not make any eye contact with me.

It's not like she hates me.

...... She doesn't care about me, that was the impression.

...... What is happening?

Firstly, I wonder what year and month is now.

...... Hanyuu is nowhere to be seen.

Without anything like a calendar to know that, it's unlikely to know about the present time.

If ask a normal person what year and month is today, they'll most probably make a strange face, so I'd better not ask it carelessly, that is one thing I came to learn in my long journey.

... So, I think I'll keep these questions for now.

After putting on my shoes at the entrance, I am taken to a car parked in front of the school gate.

In the meanwhile, I watched steadily at the back of the big man walking ahed of me and frantically tried to remember this man but, but I couldn't find them at all.

... No matter how much I try to remember him, I have no recollections of this man being in the Irie clinic of even with the stupid Yamainu.

... Seeing that Satoshi is here, now is before June of Showa 57 (1982) without a doubt.

Usually, Hanyuu is with me right after I wake up.

And then, she tells me what is happening in that world.

... But, in this world, Hanyuu is still nowhere to be seem.

The shining sun, noisy voice of the cicadas/semi and the bustling screams of the classmates, all of them I know very well but, ......... something is different.

To the point of being creepy.

... Hanyuu, where are you...?

What on earth is this place, in which point in time is this world...?

.........................

No reply from Hanyuu.

...... Then it's fine.

I'm sure she'll come flying to me if I go back home and open a wine bottle.

Because she never failed to try to hinder my elegant moment.

The reason why she's not there will be explained in the second episode.

KaneDragon

2009-04-04, 11:39

Hareoic

2009-04-04, 13:11

I'm already on the edge of my seat. Can't wait for the next episode.

Avira

2009-04-04, 13:17

Want action. Or at least an evil laugh!:(

Archon_Wing

2009-04-04, 14:45

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8840/snapshot20090404123631.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20090404123631.jpg) Seriously, Rika? Dick move, to be sure.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1876/snapshot20090404115825.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20090404115825.jpg) Karma. :p

Ah yes, Higurashi, where punishments for everything end up being potentially fatal. ;)

I like this episode. Nobody is perfect and it makes sense that people would slack off after they "won" but life is an endless trial and when you take stuff for granted stuff can happen.

rogerpepitone

2009-04-04, 14:55

I think Saikoroshi-hen was the "Sinless World". Minagoroshi-hen was the "Perfect World".

kingsky123

2009-04-04, 17:18

KaneDragon

2009-04-04, 17:23

that dick move landed us 3 more episodes of higurashi, im not complaining xD
She would have smashed into the truck even if she hadn't bumped Satoko while they rode down hill at high speed, probably. That was dangerous.

Yaoi_Daisuki

2009-04-04, 23:06

loled hard when rika was killed by the truck. And when she was beginning to be cocky thinking everything was over but got owned by a on coming trunk and returned back to the past HAHAHA

FlareKnight

2009-04-05, 06:33

That driver should have run himself off the road :heh:. I mean who does he think he is? Rika's safety obviously comes before him and a truck.

Oh wow, just got round to watching this and it's the most frightening episode so far of the whole thing. Yes, it may be a "perfect world", but Rika has no idea of how to "play the game", or even if there is a game to play in the first place. She's lost, clueless, as she confronts the nightmare of purposeless existence that we all face every day. Welcome to the real world, Rika.Well do think the situation is more different for Rika than the average person. It has been a really long time since she has been put into a situation this alien to her. After repeating so many times you can't help leaning on that predictability. Rather this is more like being dropped into a foreign environment and told to adapt. This will be tough since it is so much more different than any world she's been in. Fighting for her survival was difficult, but here there doesn't seem to be anything she can do. She can't drag Keiichi from where he is or change the dam situation.

I guess this world should be given credit for passing a world without Keiichi as a worst case scenario. Even the basic bonds with the rest of her friends are either absent or substantially weaker here. It's not a bad world overall and even for the Rika who would have been living there it would be fine. But for a Rika who has fought to survive with her friends this fails instantly.

Ichy

2009-04-05, 06:47

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9466/truckj.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=truckj.jpg)

I have read a summary for this arc a long time ago! Im happy to see it animated now :)

KaneDragon

2009-04-05, 10:28

Even the basic bonds with the rest of her friends are either absent or substantially weaker here. It's not a bad world overall and even for the Rika who would have been living there it would be fine. But for a Rika who has fought to survive with her friends this fails instantly.
Having auu~ auu~ Hanyu by her side and being best friends with Satoko (or becoming, depending on how far back she goes) are two constant factors she's always had to comfort her (though maybe there were worlds without Satoko?). Without Satoko, Hanyu, Keiichi, the nakama, the after-school games, etc... it's a very lonely world. Just Rika, sitting by herself in the back of the classroom, ignored. :( Even that one old man who passed her by ignored her completely, when she's supposed to be such a highly respected entity (granted this was just one instance, but that's the impression I got). The butcher shop were she got all those extras on the house is gone along with most of the rest.

Struggling so hard, giving up hope only to gain it back, and finally defying fate to escape the cycle that had kept her occupied for 100+(?) years... Only to lose it all. Rika is a rock, to be able to stay as calm and outwardly-childish as she did. I guess that's the only thing she knows to do, while her panic continues building...

izmosmolnar

2009-04-05, 11:41

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9466/truckj.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=truckj.jpg)

I have read a summary for this arc a long time ago! Im happy to see it animated now :)
If I see that truck one more time...

Having auu~ auu~ Hanyu by her side and being best friends with Satoko (or becoming, depending on how far back she goes) are two constant factors she's always had to comfort her (though maybe there were worlds without Satoko?). Without Satoko, Hanyu, Keiichi, the nakama, the after-school games, etc... it's a very lonely world. Just Rika, sitting by herself in the back of the classroom, ignored. :( Even that one old man who passed her by ignored her completely, when she's supposed to be such a highly respected entity (granted this was just one instance, but that's the impression I got). The butcher shop were she got all those extras on the house is gone along with most of the rest.

Struggling so hard, giving up hope only to gain it back, and finally defying fate to escape the cycle that had kept her occupied for 100+(?) years... Only to lose it all. Rika is a rock, to be able to stay as calm and outwardly-childish as she did. I guess that's the only thing she knows to do, while her panic continues building...
Everyone seems to forget the fact, that her own family have no reason to be dead here. Unless she was on bad terms with them, I don't know why would be that world a bad thing. Boring yes, but IMHO it's still better than being in a neverending loophole.
Even if she doesn't like it she can jump before a truck again :D .

Orophin

2009-04-05, 11:47

Even if she doesn't like it she can jump before a truck again :D .

She can't.

Remember, Hanyuu is not there.

KaneDragon

2009-04-05, 12:04

Everyone seems to forget the fact, that her own family have no reason to be dead here. Unless she was on bad terms with them, I don't know why would be that world a bad thing. Boring yes, but IMHO it's still better than being in a neverending loophole.
But she wasn't in a neverending loophole. She had just escaped. But now she's back, and at least at the beginning she thought she was back in the loop of doom.

And she was on sort of bad terms with her mother, who was thoroughly creeped out by Rika's unnatural knowledge/skills/behavior growing up. Of course, with this world, that odd behavior most likely never happened either.

izmosmolnar

2009-04-05, 12:06

She can't.

Remember, Hanyuu is not there.
Well I may be wrong, but in my opinion it's still not clear who's power they are using when they are "Sliding". I believe it's actually Frederika's, but it's not indicated where exactly Frederika got her powers. Either from Hanyuu, or she possibly gained it some other way.
edit: It maybe even possible that you are right, and Hanyuu actually "follows" Frederika, and that grants her most of the "magic" she is able to do. Just because we haven't seen Hanyuu present whenever Frederika was shown in the Higurashi universe, and neither is she present in the Umineko universe, it might also mean Hanyuu just didn't wanted to materialize.
edit
But she wasn't in a neverending loophole. She had just escaped
There is still no indication she is in one now either (actually everything points to the exact opposite of that).
edit2: Sorry I don't remember at all, in which episode was Rika's family relations shown?

Eryops

2009-04-05, 14:05

And she was on sort of bad terms with her mother, who was thoroughly creeped out by Rika's unnatural knowledge/skills/behavior growing up. Of course, with this world, that odd behavior most likely never happened either.
It was more because Rika's mother never believed in Hanyuu's existence, which caused Rika to become distant from her. Hanyuu acted as a surrogate mother to Rika in an attempt to compensate for that, which widened the rift between Rika and her mother. In addition to that because Rika couldn't save her parents, she subconsciously distanced herself from them in an attempt to make their deaths easier to bear.

Well I may be wrong, but in my opinion it's still not clear who's power they are using when they are "Sliding". I believe it's actually Frederika's, but it's not indicated where exactly Frederika got her powers. Either from Hanyuu, or she possibly gained it some other way.
edit: It maybe even possible that you are right, and Hanyuu actually "follows" Frederika, and that grants her most of the "magic" she is able to do. Just because we haven't seen Hanyuu present whenever Frederika was shown in the Higurashi universe, and neither is she present in the Umineko universe, it might also mean Hanyuu just didn't wanted to materialize.
Hanyuu is the one that transfers Rika's memories when she dies to the realm of the gods and from there to the next kakera. Berna appears to have learned how to manipulate the kakera but it's still Hanyuu that does the work.

maximilianjenus

2009-04-06, 12:27

Having auu~ auu~ Hanyu by her side and being best friends with Satoko (or becoming, depending on how far back she goes) are two constant factors she's always had to comfort her (though maybe there were worlds without Satoko?).

That's a posibiiyt in some of the earlier world, in which Rika did not consider befreinding satoko.

edit2: Sorry I don't remember at all, in which episode was Rika's family relations shown?

The tips from the game.

Eryops

2009-04-06, 16:11

That's a posibiiyt in some of the earlier world, in which Rika did not consider befreinding satoko.
I imagine that early on Rika wouldn't have been able to convince Irie to use C103 on Satoko. In these world Satoko would have gotten vivisected by Takano in 1982 and thus would have been absent.

Jimmy C

2009-04-07, 01:27

A thought regarding the Oyashiro-sama temple. I suppose the government wasn't willing to spend the funds to move the thing instead.

Eryops

2009-04-07, 04:40

A thought regarding the Oyashiro-sama temple. I suppose the government wasn't willing to spend the funds to move the thing instead.
Actually the entire shrine, along with the cemetery and some trees, will be moved to another location that will be called Hinamizawa.

Jimmy C

2009-04-09, 12:50

Either they changed that in the anime, or the subs I got were mistranslated for that line.

Orophin

2009-04-09, 13:39

Either they changed that in the anime, or the subs I got were mistranslated for that line.
It's not your subs. They simply didn't mention it in the anime.

Change of Pace

2009-04-15, 16:23

... I've been wondering this for a while, but what's the exact release dates for the Rei episodes? I can't seem to find it listed anywhere.

Eryops

2009-04-16, 00:56

... I've been wondering this for a while, but what's the exact release dates for the Rei episodes? I can't seem to find it listed anywhere.

http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/rei/product/index.htm

Avira

2009-04-17, 09:54

Um..it's all in japanese:confused:

When's the next episode airing?

Klashikari

2009-04-17, 09:58

The site says that:
OVA3 will be released on 22nd may
OVA4 will be released on 24th june
OVA5 will be released on 21st august

All blue-ray releases are more or less 1 month after the DVD one.

Avira

2009-04-17, 15:04

Oh, thanks^^

Risa chan

2009-04-17, 17:44

Well I may be wrong, but in my opinion it's still not clear who's power they are using when they are "Sliding". I believe it's actually Frederika's, but it's not indicated where exactly Frederika got her powers. Either from Hanyuu, or she possibly gained it some other way.
edit: It maybe even possible that you are right, and Hanyuu actually "follows" Frederika, and that grants her most of the "magic" she is able to do. Just because we haven't seen Hanyuu present whenever Frederika was shown in the Higurashi universe, and neither is she present in the Umineko universe, it might also mean Hanyuu just didn't wanted to materialize.
edit

There is still no indication she is in one now either (actually everything points to the exact opposite of that).
edit2: Sorry I don't remember at all, in which episode was Rika's family relations shown?

Like Eryops Says , Frederica doesn't have the power , it's hanyuu who's the only one able to Transfer or even Create kakeras. If you follow Umineko , Frederica ( Bern) is a voyager ,she only travels through the sea of fragments (That's maybe why we can see many fragments of previous worlds in the Ep 2) .
If you fallow Umineko's thoughts , voyagers need a Creator ( Creator are stronger and more powerful than Voyager.)

Creator: Witches who are a higher level than Voyagers. Creators are a scared existence who can give birth to '1' out of a sea of nothingness. Being free of most restrictions, they are sometimes even called 'gods' by Voyagers.

That'll fit with hanyuu , but still need to debate)

Anyway , Rika (and Frederika) are lost in a world where everything is perfect
But hanyuu normaly should exist, because oyashiro-sama still exists (Maybe she can't appear , or Rika's Mother pushed her away)

Or maybe oyashiro-sama is takono , or even keiichi or*sbam* Nah, forget it.

izmosmolnar

2009-04-18, 01:40

Well, I believe we gonna find out at later episodes why isn't she here (it's too bad the episodes coming out so rarely).
I'm convinced for now, there are several circumstancial evidence which could seemingly prove, she's indeed unlikely to be able to travel without ~auau.

But if I were her, I wouldn't even really try though to be honest. Human relations and friendships can be improved if she tries really hard. It's not like she isn't friends with Satoko or anyone else, because they truly despise her. And she presumably has all the time in the world to befriend with them (provided they would move to the same place). Except K1 probably, but Satoshi could take his place as a friend though (at least unlike Keichii, Satoshi can commit murders more meticulously if the need arise :heh: ). And she seems to be not in a life-threatening situation anyhow, with even her own family to take care of her. She kinda deserves a peaceful world already to be perfectly honest.