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NightWalker XI
2004-02-23, 08:06
Does anyone know where I can find a clean picture of one of the achemy arrays used in FMA?
If you know where I can find clear picture I would appreciate it.
Thanks in advance :)
I'm glad someone other than myself was asking this. I'd say that the best place to look is in wallpapers and such, like I did. There are two on the official FMA site: one above the navigation bar, and one on the background/history (i think) page. However, the second one, which is covered in a lot of japanese text, is also the one that is displayed as the background of the episode title. There are a few frames in each episode when you can pull this one out clearly. Another one I found was in an image, and I recovered it, as well as the one from the episode and the one from the FMA site, and touched them all up. I'll put them up on my web host, so yea. They will be at....
http://s87457547.onlinehome.us/fma/
If I do any more recoveries, I will put them in there as well, if I remember. ^_^
Hope this helps. Oh yea, if you find an image with a partial circle in it, and youd like me to recover it for you, go ahead and private message or email it to me.
NightWalker XI
2004-02-26, 08:56
Hey thanks alot for the help :)
There is one i made for a wallpaper for fullmetal-alchemist.com
It sports the same circle, not in full however, that the above link has as image #2.
Coincidentally, i know what circle it is and what it does :)
It is the very same circle that ed and al used when they tried to revive their mother.
Grab it on my site at www.fullmetal-alchemist.com, look in the left column for now its there under quick downloads ;)
Indeed it is. I also believe I know what the third one is. It would have been in...... episode 16-18 I believe. Not sure though. I'm not going to say what it was used for so as to not spoil anything for anyone who is a little bit behind.
On a different note, I'm going to try to get another one, from the opening, but I will have to go in frame by frame to see if there is one where it isn't covered by text. It's only shown very briefly before the episode title is shown, and it is, I believe, a different one than what I have.
Also, if you want, I can put up one of my self-designed circles. ;)
thought I'd throw this in here; its the transmutation circle on mustangs gloves. I got alot of reference material and slapped it together in PS, with the same colors used in the anime. Its not 100% because I have a shaky hand (the flame, and the lizard) but its pretty damn accurate :)
http://alamer.scifi-meshes.com/fire_alchemist_symbol.jpg
demosthenes
2004-03-10, 17:56
ahh the firey salamander.
is there any math or pattern to these circles?
Usually theres some form of math to transmutation circles, but god knows what.
the 2nd image from that page is the circle for the philosiphers stone. Which was a suprise to tucker, and ed said it just kind of poped into his mind. so it is not commonly used at all. just FYI.
the 2nd image from that page is the circle for the philosiphers stone. Which was a suprise to tucker, and ed said it just kind of poped into his mind. so it is not commonly used at all. just FYI.
actually that was the circle before ed modified it, he changed it into a 7 point circle, that one is 6.
humm, I thought he changed it to a six point. . . dislexic, don't mind me =p
humm, I thought he changed it to a six point. . . dislexic, don't mind me =p
The one on the floor was originally 6 point, and ed mirrored it to the ceiling. I dont know if he also changed the ceiling one, but he definatly changed the one on the floor, as seen here (warning, episode 20-22 spoilers) (http://alamer.scifi-meshes.com/7pointcircle.jpg)
ahh the firey salamander.
is there any math or pattern to these circles?
These all look like constructable(as defined by Euclid's Elements) patterns.
Namely, a straight edge(unmarked) and a compass is all you'll need. For some, you might theoretically need a stuck compass(if you want to tri-sect an angle with just those 2 items.)
It's pretty easy to draw a hexagon in a circle with that method but some of the others out there? Oooh. Not easy at all!
The 2nd and 3rd geometric patterns listed here can be done very easily:
http://s87457547.onlinehome.us/fma/
The snake will be a bit difficult but if you JUST want the circles and triangles? Easy.
The spiral inside the very first one will not be easy. It's not a golden spiral, which is a bit easier to make.
A lot of ancient Greek mathematics was about geometric construction. Things like how to make regular polygons(equal angles, equal side lengths) with a variety of side counts was something many of them explored.
Technology and numbering systems can limit or expand a society's ability to explore certain mathematical issues. I'm not sure if Edward's world uses decimals or calculators. The decimal numbering system was a key development in advancing mathematics.
So does anyone have a good, decent image besides those listed above?
So does anyone have a good, decent image besides those listed above?
I'm currently working through the episodes I havent deleted, and tracing what I have enough reference for. I'll see if I can find a nice one :)
Hmmm nice arrays, well they'll go in my folders with my pictures of Systema Sephirotifica.
Good work anyone who remade them. The last one who appeared in Episode 22, the one who popped in Ed's mind, posted link a few post up, Anyone can do it on a white background ? Would be appreciated.
Thank you all.
demosthenes
2004-03-12, 20:21
The one on the floor was originally 6 point, and ed mirrored it to the ceiling. I dont know if he also changed the ceiling one, but he definatly changed the one on the floor, as seen here (warning, episode 20-22 spoilers) (http://alamer.scifi-meshes.com/7pointcircle.jpg)
the circle some how reminds me of a phinix. :thinker:
AOforever1
2004-03-12, 23:14
Or you guys could make your own like I did for my sig :)
1337!
I made one for my sig too, using the snake symbol thingy and trying to eyeball another image.
If anyone wants it, go ahead. It's a bit uneven though, it's okay if you resize it.
http://gsurge.com/misc/transmute.psd
Or you guys could make your own like I did for my sig :)
1337!
Hrm I would prefer having some of the actual Anime, wouldn't want to have a pack of Arrays that people invented for fun.
You did a nice job on your Sig though.
what a bummer, I was 97% finished with the ep 22 circle INCLUDING THE TRIBALS ON THE WALL, and azureus fucksploded, taking photoshop with it. I hadn't saved it :(
Damnit... well it's worst for you so I'll hug you.
*hugs A Lamer*
Well that sounds weird...
*random groping* aww, you're too kind ;_; ;)
I'll retry it either saturday or sunday, and I'll save regularly this time :P
dreamless
2004-03-13, 06:19
on a related note, anyone can discern those little writings along the lines and circles of the alchemy arrays? I think some are in plain english, while others are just some symbols... or writings in another language? like greek or hebrew?
mmm...the wonders of geometry! ^_^ maybe if I had only listened more in class, it would of been easier to create my OWN transmutation circles. Then again, my teacher would probably think I'm some kind of cult member for a cultist movement in drawing random circle-like images all over the floors and walls and ceilings....
If only we lived in Edward and Al's world...*sigh* -_-
What happened here ? No one wants to see those Arrays anymore ? I sure would. There were new arrays in the new episodes. Anyone thinking about making pictures of them ? Or just teaching poor little me how to do so ? Don't say draw them.. I suck at drawing :( Oh harsh world.
Dragonfly
2004-04-03, 09:59
damn i sure still want ehm..
i even want that human transmutation one (the one you see in the background of the title screens) as a tatoo :D
anyone have one of those...and maybe a big clear one
i found it on the official japanese site but it has text across it :( so thats kinda useless
You should check out my site. ( See Sig) Not to be propagandic or such but if you save the Bg in the content table you have a nice big and clear Human transmutaion Circle. You might want to spice up the contrast though.
Edit: Here's the PSD for the circle:
http://home.planet.nl/~oudsh334/FMA/TransmutationCircle.psd
Hey so I know this might be a bit off topic but while we're on the transmutation circle subject, has anyone here besides me actually tried to perform alchemy yet? I tried a few time by breaking some small little thing I had no more use for and trying to put it back together but no luck. I figure certain circles are used for certain things and you gotta make 'em just right if they're gonna work. And even though I'm pretty sure it won't work at all, I'm gonna keep tryin.
*eye twitches every time someone says "alchemy array"*
"Transmutation Circle" is what you mean, not the direct translation :P Alchemy was all about TRANSMUTATION.
Hey so I know this might be a bit off topic but while we're on the transmutation circle subject, has anyone here besides me actually tried to perform alchemy yet? I tried a few time by breaking some small little thing I had no more use for and trying to put it back together but no luck. I figure certain circles are used for certain things and you gotta make 'em just right if they're gonna work. And even though I'm pretty sure it won't work at all, I'm gonna keep tryin.
It's not going to work, for a couple of reasons. First: there is most likely no method to your attempts. Second: you don't believe that it'll work.
Theavengingunicorn
2006-07-30, 16:27
So what your saying is, that if you have a proper method, and believe it will work, you can do alchemy the way ed and al do? Im sorry, but I just dont buy it. Alchemy is real, just not the way Ed and Al do it. Alchemy is a chemistry in which you break down the composition of one thing (usually a chemical) in order to attempt to recreat it as something else. If it was possible to use alchemy the way they do in FMA, I think everyone would know by now.
Wow, dredged up again.
Anyway, to put it simply... yes. I used to believe that the only thing impeding humans from performing feats such as those popularly considered to be fantasy is something which is so deeply ingrained into the human mind that is nearly impossible to get rid of: doubt.
Of course, in recent years this has grown and changed as I've realized various things, and my conclusion is this: perhaps it's best that people doubt it and thus cannot do these things.
Anyway, now you probably all think I'm crazy, so I'll shut up now.
Theavengingunicorn
2006-07-31, 16:45
If you can give me a good reason to believe, to not doubt, explain to me an attemp in which it (it being alchemy) worked, if you dont want to say it here, at this forum, heres my email Theavengingunicorn@yahoo.com Maybe if you make a convincing enough argument, maybe I wont doubt, but the probability that this type of alchemy, from a show, works isnt very likely.
Theavengingunicorn
2006-08-08, 02:30
I know this is dumb, but I need something to put my mind to rest, ive heard so many things, and im all confused now.
Ive heard many times that alchemy is real, or things like it exist, I don't mean the chemistry type alchemy thats been around for years, I mean the alchemy from FMA.
Can someone tell me, is FMA alchemy real, or is anything like it real?:confused:
I know this is dumb, but I need something to put my mind to rest, ive heard so many things, and im all confused now.
Ive heard many times that alchemy is real, or things like it exist, I don't mean the chemistry type alchemy thats been around for years, I mean the alchemy from FMA.
Can someone tell me, is FMA alchemy real, or is anything like it real?:confused:
Alchemy as depicted in FMA does not exist. It is pure fantasy, it is not possible. The only Alchemy around is "the chemistry type", which was the pseudoscientific predecessor of chemistry that tried to transmute base metals into gold or produce an elixir for prolonged life.
xBeowulf
2006-10-02, 18:31
Where can i find the transmutation circle pictures? The links that were provided dont work anymore.
fullmetalMonkey
2006-12-26, 00:29
i saw i site where they had a list and pics of arrays like every freaking 1 ever in the showi forgot the name though
i will find it for you
There are a alot here.
http://photobucket.com/images/transmutation%20circle/
listakat
2007-03-03, 12:03
you post i absoulutly love it i also love many other aimes wich full-metal alchemist being one of them and that is why i love it so much sometimes i wish that magic or alchemy or any other kind of spiritual powers for that matter would to me be the most coolest thging but any way u barely know me and im telling u all this stuff butn your post i love it keep it up:) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D :D :D :p :p :p :p :p :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
mangakid19
2007-06-27, 11:12
on a related note, anyone can discern those little writings along the lines and circles of the alchemy arrays? I think some are in plain english, while others are just some symbols... or writings in another language? like greek or hebrew?
You can go to this page:
http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?media=http%3A%2F%2Fi178.photobucket.com%2Falbums% 2Fw241%2Fani_mei%2FTransmutation_circle.png&searchTerm=transmutation%20circle&pageOffset=6
It shows a huge human transmutation circle and the words are legible, for the most part.
Just so that you know, the outside ring is the only complete text. The rest just copies certain phrases in the outside ring. :)
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Oh, and about the subject of the "doubt limit", I do believe it because I have been researching the effects of belief and <u>anything</u> is possible if you have enough belief. And, no I am not crazy, just a researcher of the 'supernatural' as 'normal' people call it. All you have to do is be persistent in practice and believe, don't just tell yourself that it will work, you have to fully believe inside and out, because if you have any doubt at all, it will never work, especially for skeptics.
TheSuitOfArmor
2007-07-19, 23:13
have to go in frame by frame to see if there is one where it isn't covered by text. It's only shown very briefly before the episode title is shown
;)
i believe it shows the same circle at the begining of the 2nd theme. if you play it in slow motion it's really easy to get it before it says "fullmetal alchemist" i'm SOOOO going to get that tatooed between my shoulder blades!
hydronium alchemist
2007-07-22, 06:00
*cracks knuckles* ok, here is probably the biggest complation on alchemy ever on this thread.
first if u gys paid attenton to the show and move you get an idea of how alchemy COULD work here but the gate is the biggest baffler n terms of FMA being pure science, well, what happens in fma ias mentioned by noah in conquerer of shamballa
"there were no spells, the alchemist must circulate energy between himself and the circle" there s probably more to t though, also remember the fundemeental prnciple of alchemy
1, the obvious beng equivelent exchange, this principle mirrors the concepts of the laws of concervation of mass and energy, as al stated, 'its lke an equation your reactents must equal the products ans the emements must be similar" probably meanng like chemical state, and also its periodic place,
the second provdes a huge clue on how it is done, the three steps of alchemy,
ed." alchemy is identfyng the strocture and propertis of matter, breaking t down, and reconstructing t as something else.
and for peoples info transmutations HAVE occured, in a nuclear reactor, this is done by using particle accelerators to knock off or add protons neutrons and electrons in order to change the element, it has been done, people have changed lead into gold, not just single atoms, whole blocks,
in terms of transmutationcircles/alchemic arrays. my guess s that they act in a way that is similar to a catalyst. as it s not used up in the reaction, thinkof roy mustangs, armstrongs, and other arrays, they arnt consumed in the reaction. ive been thnking reakon that the reason that certain circles, especially more complex ones only do certain things,
i think that maybe the parts of a transmutation circle, like the triangles and polygons, cause a alchemic reaction, by 'refracting' the alchemic energy like the way that different angled prisms cause light to refract to a different angle and index, the circle itself, ould act like a the loop of a particle accelerator, the change in energy flows could affect different elemental confgurations, or maybe alaments with varous subatomic properties. like water has differnt propertis and bonding compared to oxygen, with roy mustang id guess that him causing explosions is similar method in detail to lyras, the explosions occur due to the effect of rapid and spontanious combustion.
(btw this explnation doesnt include the symbols and lettring, maybe they are connected to the mind,) this is all very vague, but this is how i read it,
EdAnnoyingOlderSis13
2007-08-31, 03:37
Alright this is annoying me right now.All those people wo keep saysing 'snake thingy'!:frustrated:IT'S CALLED AN OBOROSSO!It's a snake eating it's tail,it's a sign of,to me,the seven sin's and a sign of distruction.:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::f rustrated::frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:GET IT RIGHT!!!!!
:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::m ad::mad::mad::mad:
*is dragged away still yelling by ed who is annoyed* ^In the distance argueing is heard^:argue::argue:
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