View Full Version : Episode 20: Guardian's Soul [Spoilers]
I was eagerly anticipating this episode since I really like the manga chapters on this part.
Well the anime certainly didn't disappoint on this.
The twists and and turns as the action unfolds around a drama and vice versa. Besides giving tension, excitement and the usual laughter, it raises the twinge of doubt...
Is Alphonse really Alphonse?
*muhahahahaha* (now where's that evil meglomaniac laugh icon...)
From the previews of episode 21, it looks like the anime is really going to diverge greatly from the manga's storyline/chronology. Should be interesting to see how they are going to handle it.
ahh... if that really wasnt the true alphonse then how can he have a different personality from his brother
Remington
2004-02-24, 14:00
err... just a small question. u're talking about the raw don't u? if not plz post the link to the supped torrent-file asap ^^".
Bindibadgi
2004-02-24, 14:50
Yea, if you're talking about the RAW dont tease us like that PLEASE :( /me thouroughly searches torrent sites for FMA20
Yeah >.< you made me look for 30 minutes for the ep 20
BadReligion
2004-02-24, 17:33
I think ed should actually write to the gurl at least once seriously u think she would give up on him geeze.
SpikeSpencer
2004-02-24, 23:08
Whats the story on the Sub for this one ...usually out Monday ...Now Tuesday and I am wishing I knew Japanese well enough to watch the raw :?
It is a Chinese fansub.
If you are able and desire to view them, you can try Dmhy & Popgo forums.
eDonkey/eMule networks should have them now as well.
I am surprised AJ has not push out their turbo-subbed English fansub yet...
Sorry if I led people on a wild-goose chase...
It is a Chinese fansub.
If you are able and desire to view them, you can try Dmhy & Popgo forums.
eDonkey/eMule networks should have them now as well.
I am surprised AJ has not push out their turbo-subbed English fansub yet...
Sorry if I led people on a wild-goose chase...
Why is only one group subbing fullmetal alchemist? I would think it would be one of the more popular series.
Why is only one group subbing fullmetal alchemist? I would think it would be one of the more popular series.
What do you mean?
As of now there are 5 different fansubs of FMA.
nimeKeep/ANBU
Seichi/Shoujo-Ai
Anime-Xen/Shinsen
AnimeWaves/TenshOniz-no-HamiGaki
and
Sonchou
http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/259.html
But why isn't Episode 20 out? :O
Fighter Volk
2004-02-25, 18:24
Why is only one group subbing fullmetal alchemist? I would think it would be one of the more popular series.
Eek! It's Wednesday evening... and FMA 20 is missing! :twitch:
I don't think I can go much longer without my weekly dose of FMA...
Well, the fansubbers must take their time; it's good enough that they're willing to sub this amazing anime at all, so I'm not going to complain about speed...
I meant to say two oops :heh:
And I'm saying that because they were the only ones who release episode 19 so I thought the others might have quit the project :(
If it comes out tonight I'll get to watch FMA and Naruto back to back.. That would be great :) (if naruto is released today)
I meant to say two oops :heh:
And I'm saying that because they were the only ones who release episode 19 so I thought the others might have quit the project :(
If it comes out tonight I'll get to watch FMA and Naruto back to back.. That would be great :) (if naruto is released today)
The Naruto fansub usually comes thursday morning (CET). I think... :D
Then Anime-Keep said something about moving to irc.rizon.net... maybe that has something to do with the delay?
I think the problems with IRC channles has disrupted the normal flow of information that is so vital to getting these episodes turned out quickly. the result is were sit arround our monitors twitching like a bunch of crack addicts waiting for a fix.
*twitch* *twitch*
*waiting patientLYYYYYYYYYYY* for A-F to release 19-20 and at this rate 21. And damn those Ddos attacker.
*Twitch* *Twitch* *T..t...t..T-Twitch*....
I'm sure they're doing all they can....
Thye do such a great job on this series, all of them.....
Just gotta.... W...w.. w..... wait!.... (*TWITCHQSR!!!*)
Maybe their scared to release first because whoever does will have to cope with Supoer-Bandwidth-Suckage as all us addicts go "POUNCE!" :D
panianna
2004-02-26, 04:12
And may be it got... gasp...licenced?
Just kidding. JUST KIDDING! Don't kill me, please!
Slowly crowling away and hiding from the enraged fans...
Keep and ANBU released Episode 20 on BT. Finally! =D
*goes to download*
ElvenPath
2004-02-26, 17:37
Turned this into the official episode discussion thread.
Bindibadgi
2004-02-26, 17:39
Keep and ANBU released Episode 20 on BT. Finally! =D
*goes to download*
linkage?? :| ist not listen on bakaupdates yet :/
edit: found it on scarywater.
LOL! 700 seeds, but over 6600 leeches :) downloading slowly (twitching still :D )
Enjoy it. It was delayed, in fact, due to the fact that mircx = had a heart attack and died.
If you dont know already anbu/aone/akeep moved to rizon and have setup shop there.
Enjoy the episode, i know you'll like it as much as i did.
"I know your weakness now, it is the seal, I'll destroy it!"
"but you dont know where my seal is.."
"you dont know where mine is either.."
"GAAAHH!!"
Hahaha that was priceless XD I was suprised cause i completely forgot who barry the butcher was, since in the manga there were no flashbacks of his face. Kinda freaked me out, that and his suit of armor was completely diffrent from his reg. body in real life while he still existed.
And what does everyone think Ed was gonna ask Al but didnt get to when Armstrong so boldly interupted? I dont think it has anything to do with Al no being the real Al...or at least I hope *crosses fingers*
Manga Spoiler----
i'm curious to see if Lust does what she did to the slicer in the anime as she did in the manga. I'm rather upset at the blunt hit and kill in the manga right when ed was going to find out who was behind the creation of the phil stone >_<
And what does everyone think Ed was gonna ask Al but didnt get to when Armstrong so boldly interupted? I dont think it has anything to do with Al no being the real Al...or at least I hope *crosses fingers*
From the manga,
Edward was trying to find the courage to ask Alphonse if Al hates Ed for putting him into a suit of armour. It is a difficult question to ask and Ed dreads an outcome where Al would say "yes". Hence he hesitates to ask as he fears that result. This is disclosed by Winry to Al right after this 5th Laboratory incident.
Kamui4356
2004-02-27, 01:07
Just saw ep 20. As usual, FMA proves that it's far better than any of the new shows this season. :) The fight between Ed and the slicer(s) was good. Ed did a great job copying Scar's move to win that fight. I wonder if all alchemists can do that decomposition move. It seems like it should be a common, yet advanced, skill, but in that case Scar shouldn't be killing state alchemists so easily with just that.
Anyway, I did have one very minor problem with the episode. Ed's speech that he can't die here reminded me way too much of Naruto, but that could just be me. :heh:
And what does everyone think Ed was gonna ask Al but didnt get to when Armstrong so boldly interupted? I dont think it has anything to do with Al no being the real Al...or at least I hope *crosses fingers*
When I saw that ep, I thought Ed was going to ask Al if he regretted being saved if it meant he had to live like that. I doubt Ed created a fake Al deliberately, but it is possible, if unlikely, that Ed did it accidentally when he anchored the soul to the armor. I'm pretty sure that as far as either brother knows, that is Al's real soul in the armor. Barry was just trying to screw with Al's mind, since he couldn't beat him in battle.
Just saw ep 20. As usual, FMA proves that it's far better than any of the new shows this season. :) The fight between Ed and the slicer(s) was good. Ed did a great job copying Scar's move to win that fight. I wonder if all alchemists can do that decomposition move. It seems like it should be a common, yet advanced, skill, but in that case Scar shouldn't be killing state alchemists so easily with just that.
Anyway, I did have one very minor problem with the episode. Ed's speech that he can't die here reminded me way too much of Naruto, but that could just be me. :heh:
well the can't die here speech is pretty much in every fighting anime, well most. This episode had it's funny movements expecially Al's fight. Hrm wasn't that butcher guy recently caught? I thought the experiments were done a long time ago, before the war but if The butcher guy was experimented on, then it must have not been so recently ago? Am I missing something?
Kamui4356
2004-02-27, 03:45
well the can't die here speech is pretty much in every fighting anime, well most. This episode had it's funny movements expecially Al's fight. Hrm wasn't that butcher guy recently caught? I thought the experiments were done a long time ago, before the war but if The butcher guy was experimented on, then it must have not been so recently ago? Am I missing something?
The experiments of the philosopher's stone took place before the war. The experiments on binding a soul to armor were probably inspired by Al, so they're more recent. Also, even though Marcoh was only involved in the research before the war, doesn't mean someone else hasn't continued since.
Of course that's all speculation and may be completely wrong. :)
i think barry was just playing with al's mind.
And what does everyone think Ed was gonna ask Al but didnt get to when Armstrong so boldly interupted?
I think he was going to ask: "Al, are you gay? I mean I kinda have some interest in Winry and Mustang loves women in miniskirts. And...well you just kind of hang around me all the time and that's it. And I'm your brother. So, I'm pretty weirded out by the whole situation. I've seen the way you look at Armstrong when he takes off his shirt, dude."
See, Ed didn't really have anything life-shattering to ask and when Al comes out in ep. 21 (remind me what chapter of the manga this occurs, guys) he can finally admit his feelings toward Armstrong. They can hold hands and those little purple sparkles can shine around both of them. ;)
Ok, enough joking. Ep 20 was pretty good. I liked Slicer a lot and I thought the fight between him and Ed was pretty good. I also think it's interesting to see that Ed is learning from Scar how to make himself a stronger fighter! It'd be cool if Scar started stealing some of Ed's moves too, but I doubt that would happen. Scar seems more the type to rely on the same effective attack, unlike Ed who mixes it up to whatever he needs to get the job done. So, all in all, good episode. My only complaint is that there was no Lust in this episode (she should be in every episode, doncha know?). :( However, next episode she'll be there! :D
The experiments on binding a soul to armor were probably inspired by Al, so they're more recent.
Mmm, I was wondering about that, too. I kinda liked the fact that the soul transfiguration was unique to the Elric Brothers, and that his fame came because he was the only person ever to do that...and was a little upset when it seemed like it was nothing special and that Al wasn't unique. But if it was in imitation of that original act, if they were working from the basis the Elrics established, I'm happy!
YuuOminae
2004-02-27, 10:49
Mmm, I was wondering about that, too. I kinda liked the fact that the soul transfiguration was unique to the Elric Brothers, and that his fame came because he was the only person ever to do that...and was a little upset when it seemed like it was nothing special and that Al wasn't unique. But if it was in imitation of that original act, if they were working from the basis the Elrics established, I'm happy!
His fame came from the fact that he was able to transmute without having to draw a circle. Binding Al to a suit of armor was something that had to be kept a secret. If word got out what Al actually was, Ed would be in trouble.
Lemartes
2004-02-27, 10:53
scar can kill the alchemists so easily, because he doesn't seem to need to create a circle or something. Ed probably is the only person who is also able to perform such da decomposing alchemy efficiently, because he is also able to perform alchemy without drawing a circle - but I don't know how :)
psh, i think al is a simpleton for getting brainwashed so easily
psh, i think al is a simpleton for getting brainwashed so easily
Not everyone can think clearly and have a strong head when they are denied the right to a real body and feeling. We all know from the previous episodes how hard it is for Al to have a body that doesn't fit the person he really is. Don't be so quick to put Al down. It's even harder because Al didn't even choose to have his body, it was a desperate act his brother chose for him so he could have a chance at some kind of form of living. That's what sets him diffrent from The Butcher and Slicer and why it's easy for him to give into an obvious ploy to catch him off guard. The issue addressed hit too close to home and was a touchy subject to begin with.
Fighter Volk
2004-02-27, 19:12
Excellent episode. I am definitely enjoying this second season of FMA more than the first one, even though the first one was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Had the necessary humor and drama that appears in each episode, and Edward v. Slicers was a great match.
I was pleased to see Barry the Chopper back, all the way from Episode 8: Philosopher's Stone. I was also pleased that his armor was the Number 66 armor, because you must admit, having a skull head beats a normal helmet ^^
Yeah, I think Barry was just upset about losing and was playing tricks with Al's mind. Unfortunately, the circumstances were perfect for Al to have doubts... I hope that although there was a slim chance of the whole mix-up, that that's not what had happened.
One complaint/question -- when Ed knocked the Slicer's head off, where in the world had Al come from? Next scene with Al that we see is him still outside, talking to Barry and worrying about Ed. What happened there? Was that some transmutation illusion or something?
Rockpaperscissors
2004-02-27, 19:42
Originally Posted by hunterx
well the can't die here speech is pretty much in every fighting anime, well most. This episode had it's funny movements expecially Al's fight. Hrm wasn't that butcher guy recently caught? I thought the experiments were done a long time ago, before the war but if The butcher guy was experimented on, then it must have not been so recently ago? Am I missing something?
The experiments of the philosopher's stone took place before the war. The experiments on binding a soul to armor were probably inspired by Al, so they're more recent. Also, even though Marcoh was only involved in the research before the war, doesn't mean someone else hasn't continued since.
Of course that's all speculation and may be completely wrong. :)
While writing this reply I am assuming that anyone who reads has watched the episodes 1-20. Please take this into consideration as you read any further for it may contain spoilers for those who have not.
The experiments done by Marco were concluded 7 years after the war of Ishtar began. That doesn't necessarily mean all the experiments in the 5th laboratory came to a halt aswell. At least chronogically the researchers had 3 years to experiment on Barry the Chopper ever since he was captured as the brothers captured him while they were still 12 and 11. (at least in the anime series thats the case.)
One should also not forget that the State Alchemist (who is no longer available to fulfill his duties) that was in charge of the Philosophers Stone experiments was also the head of another interessting branch: Human Transmutation and Chimera production. Looking at the preview at the end of episode 20 I believe we may see the return of another prominent character: namely Nina's father.
Fighter Volk
2004-02-27, 20:25
Thanks, Small One! Makes sense now :)
Well, just before Ed did some transmutation... it looked like he wanted to create a weapon, but I think the real purpose was to create the fake Al.
I thought it was a cute plot thingy that while al was being told outside he might be a fake, ed was using a 'real' fake inside....
Mmm, I was wondering about that, too. I kinda liked the fact that the soul transfiguration was unique to the Elric Brothers, and that his fame came because he was the only person ever to do that...and was a little upset when it seemed like it was nothing special and that Al wasn't unique. But if it was in imitation of that original act, if they were working from the basis the Elrics established, I'm happy!
His fame came from the fact that he was able to transmute without having to draw a circle. Binding Al to a suit of armor was something that had to be kept a secret. If word got out what Al actually was, Ed would be in trouble.
scar can kill the alchemists so easily, because he doesn't seem to need to create a circle or something. Ed probably is the only person who is also able to perform such da decomposing alchemy efficiently, because he is also able to perform alchemy without drawing a circle - but I don't know how :)
Edward and Alphonse are not unique... And yes, the creation of the Guardians are based on the discovery of Alphonse's state (military intelligence is good for one thing). Edward is actually more famous for the fact that he is the youngest National Alchemist ever (age 12 when he qualified).
The experiments done by Marco were concluded 7 years after the war of Ishtar began. That doesn't necessarily mean all the experiments in the 5th laboratory came to a halt aswell. At least chronogically the researchers had 3 years to experiment on Barry the Chopper ever since he was captured as the brothers captured him while they were still 12 and 11. (at least in the anime series thats the case.)
One should also not forget that the State Alchemist (who is no longer available to fulfill his duties) that was in charge of the Philosophers Stone experiments was also the head of another interessting branch: Human Transmutation and Chimera production. Looking at the preview at the end of episode 20 I believe we may see the return of another prominent character: namely Nina's father.
Regarding chrnology, you are quite correct there. But Slicer was the experiment for Soul-Transfusion. Chopper the production model. They were also not involved in Philosopher Stone's experimentation. They are only guardians.
Nope Shou Tucker is likely dead (in the manga he definitely is).
Speculation:
The Chimerae we see in the preview are Greed's gang. Most likely they're there to bust him out.
That was great serie, a was really enjoyed it. Thanks to akeep. =)
Man this epesode was great. I agree with Nak, that exchange between Al and barry was hillarious.
But now I know your weak point!
But I know yours too.
EEP!
But you don't know where mine is!
You don't know where mine is either
AHH!
Also, just watching bary and Al go at it. Barry works his hardest just to get in one good shot. Al breaks his sword once it hits =p
One thing I didn't get with this episode though...
When #48 is about to attack, Ed says "You forgot that I'm not alone... Now, Al!" and they show Al with red eyes who is about to attack. #48 slices that Al and then Ed gets his chance...
What was that? The Al in there, was it made out of stone? Did Ed make it? When? Please try to answer this question... it's a real conundrum.
One thing I didn't get with this episode though...
When #48 is about to attack, Ed says "You forgot that I'm not alone... Now, Al!" and they show Al with red eyes who is about to attack. #48 slices that Al and then Ed gets his chance...
What was that? The Al in there, was it made out of stone? Did Ed make it? When? Please try to answer this question... it's a real conundrum. Edward made a time-delayed transmutation. It is a fake metallic statue of Alphonse. In the manga, Ed tricked Slicer by only faking a call out for Al to strike (Al is not there). But I guess the anime crew decided to spice it up a bit here.
Edward made a time-delayed transmutation. It is a fake metallic statue of Alphonse. In the manga, Ed tricked Slicer by only faking a call out for Al to strike (Al is not there). But I guess the anime crew decided to spice it up a bit here.
Thank you Yebyosh for the reply!
Can't wait for Ep. 22! :D
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