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Klashikari
2009-05-10, 10:43
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Is it supposed to be this violent? I'm talking about the scene with Rika and Satoko. I thought that Rika just punched her or something in the original. I don't remember reading that she threw a chair at her and beat her over and over again with it in the original Rei script. @_@;
That's what I remember too. All I remember was that Rika punched her and she... balanced the chair over her? But didn't hit her or anything.
...Although... I did enjoy watching Rika beat her over and over with a chair. XD;
That's what I remember too. All I remember was that Rika punched her and she... balanced the chair over her? But didn't hit her or anything.
...Although... I did enjoy watching Rika beat her over and over with a chair. XD;
One time with the fist then she hit her once with the chair.
Maho Momo
2009-05-10, 12:21
Ahh I see...
Well I have to admit, I did like watching her beat Satoko over and over again with the chair. So no complaints here. ^^;
I haven't played the original games, so I wouldn't quite know too much bout that ^^'. But the scene where Rika beats Satoko came rather suddenly for me and I jumped... just a bit, though. ^^' Although Satoko did deserve it. She WAS being a complete brat, after all. -_-
One time with the fist then she hit her once with the chair.
No, she grabbed Satoko's hand, tucking her nail into one of her finger joints in the process, punched her hard right below the eye, grabbed her hair and used it to pull her to the floor and then picked up a chair and hit her with it 2 to 3 times.
Well it's another good episode...well paced and had the story ended at a good point to build for the climax. It's unfortunate the way that some scenes and elements were cut, but considering that they have got to the "club establishment part" this early, maybe they are just rearranging some elements...
1. Rika's indecisive stance during the curry scene...which builds up some more later...
2. Rika's dad finding Rika in the chamber...which results in a sleepless night :heh:
3. Bernkastel. Maybe it's the thing with young children drinking grape juice that can't be aired...but in a way, higurashi anime doesn't need Bernkastel. After all, who is Bernkastel? That person has never appeared once before in the anime. Just like how there's no "dice" to kill in "saikoroshi-hen" since there weren't any mention of a dice to begin with.
P.S. I remember the first time playing the game, I thought to myself, "Man, Teppei sure did a good job with the Houjou kids in the regular worlds. :heh:" I'm surprised I wasn't the only one who joked about that as many comments on nicovideo also reflected that sentiment during the scene with Satoko taking Rika's book.
Ah. I re-read the chair scene, and I have no idea where I got the word "balanced" from. Ahaha-- but it looks like it was two times she did it. Not that it really matters. I liked that scene.
Haven't looked back at Rei yet except for the chair part... but shortly before Rika realized her mother had the Piece, didn't she start to cry after she discovered Yamamoto told her parents about her story? Instead of staring wide-eyed in shock at her mom like the anime did. ...I wanted to see that animated. XD;
ayu-smepai
2009-05-10, 17:43
Ahh I see...
Well I have to admit, I did like watching her beat Satoko over and over again with the chair. So no complaints here. ^^;
I thought Rika went a little over with it, Satoko was acting like a bitch but she made it look like she was going to kill her :heh:
And I'm real impressed that she didn't get any blood oozing out of her head (if I'm right).
3. Bernkastel. Maybe it's the thing with young children drinking grape juice that can't be aired...but in a way, higurashi anime doesn't need Bernkastel. After all, who is Bernkastel? That person has never appeared once before in the anime. Just like how there's no "dice" to kill in "saikoroshi-hen" since there weren't any mention of a dice to begin with.
Well, if you look at it that way, then I guess Bernkastel would only confuse the more "casual watchers" of the show.
I thought it would have been nice to at least mention Bern. During a scene with Reina, Satoshi, and Mion, I thought "Rika" said something about the "other Rika". I was a little confused, thinking I missed something involving Bernkastel, only to find out she wasn't mentioned at all.Didn't Rika hug her mother before and at the time, she wasn't the piece? I realize not everything can be included, but it was more heartbreaking when she was telling her daughter about the 8th generation thing and then Rika realized that she had to kill her own mother. Quickly skimmed through, didn't realize Rika massaging her mother was the scene. OTL
I was hoping the talk with Hanyuu would have been more teary eyed and emotional, but I can't complain too much when I get to hear my srs bsns Yukarin.Maybe I just took Saikoroshi-hen the wrong way? You-know-who and bonding with her mother was what made the arc so enjoyable for me. Hanyuu, for future reasons, is an added bonus. Everything else was just icing on the cake, especially Reina.
Katsu Koneko
2009-05-10, 18:39
3. Bernkastel. Maybe it's the thing with young children drinking grape juice that can't be aired...but in a way, higurashi anime doesn't need Bernkastel. After all, who is Bernkastel? That person has never appeared once before in the anime. Just like how there's no "dice" to kill in "saikoroshi-hen" since there weren't any mention of a dice to begin with.
Though she did appear in Kai EP24 at the end with little Miyoko. (Which has people calling her Older!Rika)
Though yeah it would have been nice to have a mention of Bern.
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-05-11, 00:33
Just something I just thought of... If Saikoroshi-hen had been a part of the "original arcs" (That is the four questions arcs and 4 answer arcs) then it might have been the answer/question arc for Katautsushi-hen... Although Katautsushi-hen is only doujin, the part where a child has to kill her mother is still the same. So that way, Hanyu and Rika kinda have the same fate in those arcs.
No, she grabbed Satoko's hand, tucking her nail into one of her finger joints in the process, punched her hard right below the eye, grabbed her hair and used it to pull her to the floor and then picked up a chair and hit her with it 2 to 3 times.
I just went back and rechecked.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9686/rikachair.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rikachair.jpg)
UnknownBeast
2009-05-11, 11:07
There's no excuse really for removing Bern. Adding her in would've been as easy as adding in Hanyuu's time stopping ability.
Remember also that Rei isn't even "airing", it's an OVA.
I don't think "casual watchers" is in an OVA's target market...
Maybe Bern will appear at a later time? I'm sure they'll make some mention of her, considering the same studio doing Rei is also doing the Umineko anime, which Bern should be appearing in a few times. Bernkastel has most reference near the end of the Saikoroshi arc rather than the middle, so it should be find.
There's no excuse really for removing Bern. Adding her in would've been as easy as adding in Hanyuu's time stopping ability.
Remember also that Rei isn't even "airing", it's an OVA.
I don't think "casual watchers" is in an OVA's target market... By "casual watcher", I meant the people who mostly just watch the anime and take it for what it is, not looking at anything else that isn't animated. Like the silly people who think Satoko must be an idiot when the anime never explained she was colourblind.Most of the people I know that watched the OVA didn't know about Hanyuu's ability, yet didn't question it at all. I think one of them has played the Higurashi Daybreak game and thought it was from that.
I only talk to two other people who know of Hanyuu's ability. :/I did know a guy who saw ep 1 of the OVA first for some reason without watching anything else before. Quickly watched both seasons, even with exams going on shortly after.Maybe Bern will appear at a later time? I'm sure they'll make some mention of her, considering the same studio doing Rei is also doing the Umineko anime, which Bern should be appearing in a few times. Bernkastel has most reference near the end of the Saikoroshi arc rather than the middle, so it should be find.This episode already covered the remaining bit of chapter 1, then hastily covered 2 through 4 - the end of chapter 4 is when Rika finds out her mother is the Piece. I think the only time Bernkastel is mentioned in the last chapter is during that talk with Hanyuu and even then, it would most likely only confuse people if it came out of nearly nowhere. It went something like:
Rika : Hanyuu's right. I'm not the witch Bernkastel anymore. I'm Furude Rika. (ry
Looking at it like that, I can only think that if they introduce Bern at the end, then it wouldn't be as effective. "Rika" questioning who/what she really is was a moving scene for me.... And I wanted to swat the alcohol away from her loli hands.
I can see why they wouldn't fully introduce Bern, yet I'm still leaning toward she should have at least been introduced. More mind fcuks are fun, right?
Studio DEEN doing both shows doesn't mean they'll just add her just because she has a part in Umineko. They should have added her for what she is in Higurashi.Saikoroshi-hen looks like it's focusing more on the "if" world and less on the mother-daughter relationship of Rika and Fredrica Bernkastel. When I think of it this way, then they're doing a decent job.
I guess that's one of the problems with looking at the original before the anime adaption, especially with how Saikoroshi-hen was very, er, monologue-y?
blitz1/2
2009-05-11, 22:08
Rika hitting Satoko with chair = priceless. Yukarin's dark voice added to the badass.
Was I the only one watching that scene with a big smirk on my face?
Romaji and translation help needed.
satoko anata sukoshi urusai
(Satoko, you're annoying/or telling her to shut up?)
atashi no shinyuu to onaji kao shiteiru kara
(Just because you have the face of my friend...)
Can someone post the rest here and verify the translations? I can't understand the rest of Rika's short speech
Adding Bern isn't necessary. As we can see, Bern was never mentioned in the anime. In the game, her name appears everytime in the beginning poem, and her name is mentioned in minagoroshi-hen. Thus having her name in the game, in saikoroshi-hen, makes more sense than having it in the anime.
As for pulling the DEEN connection, with Umineko...I think Kawase is playing it safe. Umineko is back in Kon Chiaki's hands, so how knows what kind of treatment it would get? Maybe they will cut out Bern in that also?
Adding Bern isn't necessary. As we can see, Bern was never mentioned in the anime. In the game, her name appears everytime in the beginning poem, and her name is mentioned in minagoroshi-hen. Thus having her name in the game, in saikoroshi-hen, makes more sense than having it in the anime.
As for pulling the DEEN connection, with Umineko...I think Kawase is playing it safe. Umineko is back in Kon Chiaki's hands, so how knows what kind of treatment it would get? Maybe they will cut out Bern in that also?
Considering that she has a central role in Umineko, it would make zero sense to remove her. I think at most they'll downplay the connection to Higurashi.
Considering that she has a central role in Umineko, it would make zero sense to remove her. I think at most they'll downplay the connection to Higurashi.
While I agree with you, and think that the most they would do is what you have said...I'm just saying that anything could happen.
Even then that reference will be enough in my opinion. We really don't know WHO Frederica Bernkastel is in the game either - all we basically know is that she writes poems and has something to with Rika. We only get perspective of her overall in Saikoroshi when you think about it. Most of the overall discussion about Bernkastel is at the ending of the arc when Rika goes back to her world.
Quick question:
Which chapter does Rika "kill her mother" in again? Too lazy to check XD
Skullchukka
2009-05-14, 06:15
It's out so soon eh? I'm very excited ^^
Not in this thread yet; people who can't understand Japanese. :( Must.. learn.. Japanese..
While I'm at it, a question regarding to Higurashi Fansub'bers (or any fansubbers for that matter):
There are TV recordings out, and no DVD-RAW's yet. Will a fansub group start only when they get the RAW's of it, or is it normal for a translator to start from the TV version, then apply timings to the dvd version?
The other "Rei" titles were fansubbed after roughly 7-8 days later from the original Dvd release, should we be expecting the same time?
HanyuuChan
2009-05-17, 11:04
It's out so soon eh? I'm very excited ^^
Not in this thread yet; people who can't understand Japanese. :( Must.. learn.. Japanese..
While I'm at it, a question regarding to Higurashi Fansub'bers (or any fansubbers for that matter):
There are TV recordings out, and no DVD-RAW's yet. Will a fansub group start only when they get the RAW's of it, or is it normal for a translator to start from the TV version, then apply timings to the dvd version?
The other "Rei" titles were fansubbed after roughly 7-8 days later from the original Dvd release, should we be expecting the same time?
since this is an OVA no TV version exist its an orginal DVD for each ep
Skullchukka
2009-05-17, 11:12
Hmm.
Well how come people can obtain it earlier and put it on youtube then?
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-05-18, 13:10
Uwah... Just watched the third episode and...
I thought the chair-scene was gonna be a little more violent :< No punch below the eye... Not even any bruises afterwards... Uu... Satoko was a real pain in Saikoroshi-hen so she derserved to be more beaten up than that... Still... This doesn't affect my love to trapmaster-Satoko~ ^_^
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-05-18, 13:45
This episode already covered the remaining bit of chapter 1, then hastily covered 2 through 4 - the end of chapter 4 is when Rika finds out her mother is the Piece. I think the only time Bernkastel is mentioned in the last chapter is during that talk with Hanyuu and even then, it would most likely only confuse people if it came out of nearly nowhere. It went something like:
Rika : Hanyuu's right. I'm not the witch Bernkastel anymore. I'm Furude Rika. (ry
Looking at it like that, I can only think that if they introduce Bern at the end, then it wouldn't be as effective. "Rika" questioning who/what she really is was a moving scene for me.... And I wanted to swat the alcohol away from her loli hands.
I can see why they wouldn't fully introduce Bern, yet I'm still leaning toward she should have at least been introduced. More mind fcuks are fun, right?
Studio DEEN doing both shows doesn't mean they'll just add her just because she has a part in Umineko. They should have added her for what she is in Higurashi.
Why does Rika say "I'm not the witch Bernkastel anymore"?
Since Rika and Bern shouldn't be the same person? Since Bern and Frederica is not yet "confirmed" to be the same person I suppose there would be a possibility that Bern actually was Rika. After all, in Umineko she says "I wonder what I used to say in those times... Err... Ah... F-Fight ou! Mii~ Nipah~"
So I suppose that could be a hint to Bern actually being Rika, but then it would make no sence who Frederica is. Ah, I just can't say good things these days. I was just curious :3
Risa chan
2009-05-21, 01:16
Why does Rika say "I'm not the witch Bernkastel anymore"?
Since Rika and Bern shouldn't be the same person? Since Bern and Frederica is not yet "confirmed" to be the same person I suppose there would be a possibility that Bern actually was Rika. After all, in Umineko she says "I wonder what I used to say in those times... Err... Ah... F-Fight ou! Mii~ Nipah~"
So I suppose that could be a hint to Bern actually being Rika, but then it would make no sence who Frederica is. Ah, I just can't say good things these days. I was just curious :3
I think
It's because Frederica is only a Part of bernkastel send to other worlds to replace the actual Rika. Frederica lost her contact with the other world and so Bern(Because Bad lambda brought her to Umineko D:<. so i guess that's why she says she's not a witch anymore
I think
It's because Frederica is only a Part of bernkastel send to other worlds to replace the actual Rika. Frederica lost her contact with the other world and so Bern(Because Bad lambda brought her to Umineko D:<. so i guess that's why she says she's not a witch anymore
It's because Hanyuu decides to stop transferring Rika's memories to the world of the kakera and instead to allow her to die normally the next time she dies. As a result, that Rika won't join again with Bern and she can thus be seen as a separate entity.
Risa chan
2009-05-21, 11:37
It's because Hanyuu decides to stop transferring Rika's memories to the world of the kakera and instead to allow her to die normally the next time she dies. As a result, that Rika won't join again with Bern and she can thus be seen as a separate entity.
I see, but then why did she left Rika as Frederica knowing that she's unhappy in this world ? Even more, is that because she knew she wouldn't be happy that she said it was just a dream ? Or did hanyuu left frederica all alone in this world to teach her a lesson and make her remember what a human was?(Anyway , i find the Ouka/Hanyuu Rika/Rika'smother Tragedy really funny. Rika's mother said she was the reincarnation , and it'll explain why Ouka looks like Rika and why Rika killed her mother .
blitz1/2
2009-05-21, 18:54
I see, but then why did she left Rika as Frederica knowing that she's unhappy in this world ? Even more, is that because she knew she wouldn't be happy that she said it was just a dream ? Or did hanyuu left frederica all alone in this world to teach her a lesson and make her remember what a human was?(Anyway , i find the Ouka/Hanyuu Rika/Rika'smother Tragedy really funny. Rika's mother said she was the reincarnation , and it'll explain why Ouka looks like Rika and why Rika killed her mother .
Well thats one of the reasons why i like Miotsukushi-hen. It's more meaningful as an end.
I see, but then why did she left Rika as Frederica knowing that she's unhappy in this world ? Even more, is that because she knew she wouldn't be happy that she said it was just a dream ? Or did hanyuu left frederica all alone in this world to teach her a lesson and make her remember what a human was?(Anyway , i find the Ouka/Hanyuu Rika/Rika'smother Tragedy really funny. Rika's mother said she was the reincarnation , and it'll explain why Ouka looks like Rika and why Rika killed her mother .
What makes you think she was lying? I think Rika did end up in the sinless world by accident rather than by Hanyuu's design; Hanyuu simply exploited that opportunity to teach Rika a lesson about making choices.
Well thats one of the reasons why i like Miotsukushi-hen. It's more meaningful as an end.
Why do you find it more meaningful?
blitz1/2
2009-05-22, 20:47
What makes you think she was lying? I think Rika did end up in the sinless world by accident rather than by Hanyuu's design; Hanyuu simply exploited that opportunity to teach Rika a lesson about making choices.
Why do you find it more meaningful?
It's more "realistic" in my opinion.
Sometimes, even though there is a good ending (or true w/e), there will be some sacrifices/deaths necessary.
Risa chan
2009-05-23, 02:18
What makes you think she was lying? I think Rika did end up in the sinless world by accident rather than by Hanyuu's design; Hanyuu simply exploited that opportunity to teach Rika a lesson about making choices.
Why do you find it more meaningful?
I Think Hanyuu did it in purpose caus if Hanyuu was able to have contact with her , Bern could too (even if she's just a voyager). More of that, the "key" of the game is the same tragedy that hanyuu had. I really think that Hanyuu did it in purpose. But that's just what i think. If that's true or not, it doesn't really change the end
It felt a little rushed, especially in the beginning with the Saiguden incident and the events leading up to it. It's too bad we didn't get to see her dad bursting into the chamber and her little internal monologue about her new name. The minor change I liked the most was in her fight with Satoko, where she just threw the damn chair instead of punching her in the face. That was badass.
Just my 2¢.kthxbai
izmosmolnar
2009-05-23, 07:42
Yay, It's finally subbed! Ni-pah!
Wow. I've never thought Rika's family-stance is that complicated. And poor Rika, just when she've thought, it's alright to enjoy that world, and get along with her own family...
Speaking of which, I might be wrong on that, since it was quite some time ago, when I've seen the first series, but didn't Rika mentioned something like every 8th generation daughter gets to be the "reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama"? If I remember that correctly, then how did her Mother become "that" here?
I mean, if what Rika says is true, then her Mother couldn't have been the same "thing" when both of them have been living in the usual worlds.
Additionally I don't think Rika (normally) can "inherit" the title, by her mother dieing, since we've seen it in the Himatsubushi-hen, that she already possessed knowledge of the future, when her Mother was still alive.
So is the "tradition" different here by any chance, or is there something I misunderstand (in which case I'd appreciate some explanation).
The chairscene was awesome, I've found myself laughing like a madman again, just like in the first series (I wish they would make more violent anime :heh: ). Scary Rika :uhoh: .
I was a bit disappointed, Satoshi isn't a bit more reliable though.
Yay, It's finally subbed! Ni-pah!
Is this (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=65702) the translated release?
PS: The DVDs had came with desktop pet versions (http://rapidshare.com/files/236284530/Higurashi_desktop_pets.rar) of the characters. Their main function is to sit on your desktop and perform some animations if left alone or if you click on their head or upper body, but they can also alert you if you have email or act as alarm clocks.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/220/pets.png
Speaking of which, I might be wrong on that, since it was quite some time ago, when I've seen the first series, but didn't Rika mentioned something like every 8th generation daughter gets to be the "reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama"? If I remember that correctly, then how did her Mother become "that" here?
I mean, if what Rika says is true, then her Mother couldn't have been the same "thing" when both of them have been living in the usual worlds.
Additionally I don't think Rika (normally) can "inherit" the title, by her mother dieing, since we've seen it in the Himatsubushi-hen, that she already possessed knowledge of the future, when her Mother was still alive.
So is the "tradition" different here by any chance, or is there something I misunderstand (in which case I'd appreciate some explanation).
In every other world, Rika is the 8th consecutive daughter in the Furude family. However, in the sinless world, that person is her mother instead while Rika is now the 9th consecutive daughter.
Rika's mom did say the first daughter (of her generation) born after the last Incarnation of Oyashiro-sama died. If that's the same in all worlds, then it means that the old woman died a few years earlier in this one than the rest.
Is this (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=65702) the translated release?
PS: The DVDs had came with desktop pet versions (http://rapidshare.com/files/236284530/Higurashi_desktop_pets.rar) of the characters. Their main function is to sit on your desktop and perform some animations if left alone or if you click on their head or upper body, but they can also alert you if you have email or act as alarm clocks.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/220/pets.png
Someone should translate the Rika pet for us!:D
izmosmolnar
2009-05-23, 13:25
There is already a semi english-translated version on the internet. It only translates the options, the quotes/textbubbles are still untranslated though.
edit: Found the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OK0GDKWV.
Note: I haven't tested that version myself, I don't even know whether it works.
By the way does someone know how to get Rena to omochikaeri Rika? :heh: . I've been staring at them for hours, but they ignore each other. :/
And Rena goes ~L4 when you keep clicking on her :uhoh: .
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Uhm... I'm sorry, I maybe stupid or something, but I still don't really understand that thing with Rika's mother.
Just because there isn't any murder here in that world, why is it different here, and why Rika's mom is the chosen one? Do they kill some relative still in embryo-state in the usual worlds? (I refer on abortion or something).
Even in normal worlds, before any killing occur, Rika still knew about Hanyuu (at least it was stated somewhere she was able to see her all her life, and that's why her relationship weakened with her mom, because she didn't believe her).
The other problem (and that's why I didn't mentioned the surname Furude anywhere), is that as far as I know Rika's mom isn't even Furude in the first place. I've thought Rika's father is the shrine priest, and the shrine is called Furude shrine. Or is there such a tradition, when... for example I'd marry a shrine maiden, and because of that I'd have to take on the priest duties and the shrine will be renamed with my surname (ergo before his involvement it was called "-somethingelse- Shrine")?
Or did Rika's dad marry inside the Furude family and his surname was different before the wedding?
This is a great display of what the average Higurashi episode is (Besides the lack of Keiichi): Kids savaging other kids, gruesome splattered bodies, friends confronting friends to stop violence and contemplating the murder of adults to make things better.
The chair scene became ten times creepier when I realized that technically this is an old lady smashing a chair against a little girl she doesn't know.
There is already a semi english-translated version on the internet. It only translates the options, the quotes/textbubbles are still untranslated though.
edit: Found the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OK0GDKWV.
Note: I haven't tested that version myself, I don't even know whether it works.
By the way does someone know how to get Rena to omochikaeri Rika? :heh: . I've been staring at them for hours, but they ignore each other. :/
And Rena goes ~L4 when you keep clicking on her :uhoh: .
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Uhm... I'm sorry, I maybe stupid or something, but I still don't really understand that thing with Rika's mother.
Just because there isn't any murder here in that world, why is it different here, and why Rika's mom is the chosen one? Do they kill some relative still in embryo-state in the usual worlds? (I refer on abortion or something).
Even in normal worlds, before any killing occur, Rika still knew about Hanyuu (at least it was stated somewhere she was able to see her all her life, and that's why her relationship weakened with her mom, because she didn't believe her).
The other problem (and that's why I didn't mentioned the surname Furude anywhere), is that as far as I know Rika's mom isn't even Furude in the first place. I've thought Rika's father is the shrine priest, and the shrine is called Furude shrine. Or is there such a tradition, when... for example I'd marry a shrine maiden, and because of that I'd have to take on the priest duties and the shrine will be renamed with my surname (ergo before his involvement it was called "-somethingelse- Shrine")?
Or did Rika's dad marry inside the Furude family and his surname was different before the wedding?
Thanks for the link! :)
The murder is not the only difference. There are certain condition to be Oyashiro-samas reincarnation.
There is more but I`m not sure if the next episode will clear this up. So I better shut up for now.for SUPER english.
I myself found this episode amazing. A little rushed and no Bernkastel. Everything esle was great. 9/10
typhonsentra
2009-05-23, 15:36
God I can't wait a month to see how this ends.... any chapter synopses out there for this storyline?
And a small observation: Was it just me or did Mion come off as way too catty here? Perhaps from their perspective she needed to be scolded for her behavior but they also kept pretending to know what she was thinking when obviously they didn't, I hate it when people do that.
Mmm that was great. I was craving for some violence since the first two episodes, and this episode nicely satisfied that for me ^^. Just like the Higurashi feel I used to get from it. (of course, this isn't mainly why I watch Higurashi)
Anyhow, more and more things are being revealed. Can't wait for the next episode.
kingsky123
2009-05-23, 16:30
10... just for that chair shot
God I can't wait a month to see how this ends.... any chapter synopses out there for this storyline?
Well, you can always read theacefrehley's rough translation of the Sound Novel if you want to.
Chapter: 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?7idb3mtnn07) - 2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?hgitz35yizr) - 3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?se2rnlbdzyz) - 4 (http://www.mediafire.com/?1yv4jwoltxb) - 5 (http://www.mediafire.com/?2aolyxljyzr)
You only have to read chapter 5 if you want to continue where this episode ended but I would advise you to read it from the beginning to see what they left out in the anime.
Note: I haven't tested that version myself, I don't even know whether it works.
By the way does someone know how to get Rena to omochikaeri Rika? :heh: . I've been staring at them for hours, but they ignore each other. :/
And Rena goes ~L4 when you keep clicking on her :uhoh: .
The Rena program has Rena hug Rika by itself. They don't interact.
Or did Rika's dad marry inside the Furude family and his surname was different before the wedding?
He did marry into the family. Rika's mother is the descendant of the family.
izmosmolnar
2009-05-23, 17:29
I see, thanks for the answers.
Fujikira
2009-05-23, 17:46
I gave it a 9. From me playing Daybreak my expectations were met, but in the motion graphic didn't Rika only hit Satoko once with the chair?
kk2extreme
2009-05-23, 18:17
is rika gonna chair her mother too, or something else
By the way izmosmolnar, I had not seen the episode yet when I anwsered your question about the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama but now I understand why you were confused since the anime got it wrong.
Anime:
There was multiple reincarnations of Oyashiro-sama. The legend says that after the present reincarnation dies, the next reincarnation will be the first firstborn child in the family that is born a girl.
Sound Novel:
There is only one reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama as Hanyuu said that she was waiting for Rika's birth for 1000 years. The legend says that when there will be eight consecutive firtborn childs that are born as girls, the 8th one will be the reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama.
I really don't know why they decided to change that.
I gave it a 9. From me playing Daybreak my expectations were met, but in the motion graphic didn't Rika only hit Satoko once with the chair?
No, she hit her 3 times or so, as you can read from this:
爪を、指の付け根に折り込むようにしながら拳を握りしめる。
I grasp her fist tightly, making sure to tuck in my nail into the joint of her finger.
沙都子に、とても重要なことを極めて短時間で説明し、かつ理解させて反論を許さないには、この方法が手っ取 り早いと思った。
In order to explain a very important thing to Satoko in an extremely short time, make her understand and not allow any rebuttal, I thought this method was the fastest.
私の右拳を沙都子の顔面にくれてやる。
I punch Satoko's face with my right fist.
拳の先端が沙都子の、左目の下淵に叩き込まれ、当分消えないだろう刻印をくれてやった。
The tip of my fist was driven deep into below Satoko's left eye and gave her a seal I guess won't disappear for some time.
すぐさま髪の毛を鷲掴みにして床へ転げさせると、近くの誰かの席の椅子を振り上げ、それで二度か三度、打ち 付けてやった。
I promptly grabbed her hair and made her tumble to the floor and then, I raised the chair of someone nearby over my head and then, hit her two or three times.
何が起こったかも理解できない沙都子は、突然の暴力に混乱し、亀のように縮こまるしかなかった 。
Without being able to understan what happened, Satoko was confused by the sudden burst of violence and all she could do was to curl herself like a turtle.
…こういう状態のところへ椅子をくれてやったって、ちょっと迫力があるだけで、そうそう怪我をするもんじゃ ない。
... Even though I had hit her with the chair in such conditions, since I didn't use much strenght, she was not that much injured.
その椅子を振り上げ、沙都子の上半身を跨ぐような形で叩き置く。
I raise the chair and leave it straddled over the upper half of Satoko's body.
それはちょうど、床に転がる沙都子を拘束するかのよう。
It's just as if restraining Satoko tumbled on the floor.
私はその椅子に足を振り上げて、まるで杭を打ちつけるように踏みつけた。
I raised my foot and placed it over that chair, and treaded on it as though nailing a stake.
Something I found interesting was that when Rika hit Satoko, Satoshi didn't come running to save her. I guess that's more expected in this world, as neither of them are so drained from being bullied like they were in the other worlds.
izmosmolnar
2009-05-23, 19:04
I see now. I started to fear, there might be something wrong with me not to understand.
I also remember the part about waiting for 1000 years and the 8th girl being the reincarnation. I believe it was stated somewhere in the anime too (I mean not in Higu Rei, but somewhere earlier), since I haven't played the VNs apart from the first ark, but I still remember something along those lines.
I find it a bit controversial how Rika's mom bears this title now. If I understood everything correctly so far, and try to theorize how is that even possible with the information I believe I know, I have to assume there was another female born in the generations before Rika, and that someone died while still being an embryo here, but in the normal worlds she lives usually.
Or the other way around, and that certain girl in the previous generations has born here in the present world, but in the usual worlds she dies in embryo-state normally.
But how could they squeeze in another generation without messing up the timeline (and the genes)?It has to be magic! Obviously it was done by Lambdadelta! :heh: Or if I take both accounts together, theoretically it could be possible, that Rika's mom somehow timetravelled back 8 generations, killed her great-great-great mother (who was the Reincarnation at that time) and her daughter (so she won't inherite it), and by doing that she somehow directly inherited the title and the powers, since she is the last living daughter in that timeline. But for crying out loud, that's a crazy theory! There are so many point wrong with that. Not to mention it would be a true, genuine Grandfather Paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox) itself!.
I honestly don't know what to think now, and how did Rika's mom become the Reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama. I'd appreciate it, if someone would enlighten me about that "controversy" somehow ;) .
Anyway, I hope next episode will shed some light on that.
But how could they squeeze in another generation without messing up the timeline (and the genes)?
Things like that doesn't really matter in the sinless world. ;)
Klashikari
2009-05-23, 19:30
Actually, there is no need for gene, but rather "timing".
Let's imagine that there was twins that were about to be born. What if, in the original setting, you have male X born before female Y? Y would still be a girl, but not a first born. What if in a very cuckoo world (that is actually beyond S rare, considering the only 1 occurence), that Y was born before her X twin? It would add a "first born" in the counter.
If we just take this possibility as the first of the chain of the 8 first born, it easily explains how the reincarnation wasn't applied on Rika.
Just a matter of a few seconds gap can change the whole ordeal, without screwing that much the timeline.
Archon_Wing
2009-05-23, 20:54
This is a great episode, as the choice to make here is very hard. Probaly the greyest moment of this series.
On one hand, we have Rika, who has tried over many lifetimes to reach a world where she and her friends would be alive together. After she finally achieves it, one mistake causes this world where everything is right, and in many ways, much better than the previous worlds except for her. But certainly she deserves better than this? But on the other hand, it seems like going out of this world and knocking off her mom who has done no wrong either is downright evil. She would essentially be ruining a perfect world for herself. What will happen to this world afterwards? It would truly suck for them, as to them they just got Rika to open up, but she just ends up killing her mom! It'd be messed up if killing her mom does not bring her back to the correct world, as Hanyuu doesn't seem really that certain about anything. And what if she's actually delusional and is just "seeing" hanyuu just because she wanted to? It's also established that Rika is dead in the previous world, so what's gonna happen there? Wouldn't they have to roll the dice again and perhaps create another world that may be worse the both?
This episode was also probably one of the most disturbing to me out of the Higurashi series. The first time she gets close to her mother, she's trying to figure out if she has to kill her, while retaining that childish guise. No wonder it breaks when alternate- bitch Satoko decides to mess with her. Oh yea, anyone find it funny that Satoko isn't really that messed up later in the day after she got beaten up like that by Rika? She still looks arrogant as hell; I'm surprised she's not limping or huddled in a corner somewhere. This Satoko may not live long. :D I can only conclude that ability to withstand massive amounts of pain has been passed down from the previous Satokos, given that she often gets the worst of it in the worlds we've seen. ;)
Waiting for the next episode! This will be awesome, no matter how it ends.
UnknownBeast
2009-05-23, 21:12
Was it just me or did Mion come off as way too catty here? Perhaps from their perspective she needed to be scolded for her behavior but they also kept pretending to know what she was thinking when obviously they didn't, I hate it when people do that.
Well... I think the OVA skipped the part where they explained Mion is technically Shion. Cause the switch never happened in this world.
Delete if inappropriate dear mods.
I've always wondered how the others would have reacted if they ever had a chance to know what Rika knows, how would they deal with it?
izmosmolnar
2009-05-24, 03:41
Actually, there is no need for gene, but rather "timing".
Let's imagine that there was twins that were about to be born. What if, in the original setting, you have male X born before female Y? Y would still be a girl, but not a first born. What if in a very cuckoo world (that is actually beyond S rare, considering the only 1 occurence), that Y was born before her X twin? It would add a "first born" in the counter.
If we just take this possibility as the first of the chain of the 8 first born, it easily explains how the reincarnation wasn't applied on Rika.
Just a matter of a few seconds gap can change the whole ordeal, without screwing that much the timeline.
Oh yeah! That's a good possibility, shame on me for not considering something like that.
Also moving along with that logic, we could consider some kinda "genderbending accident". I mean the father of the previous Reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama 8th generation ago has born as a female instead of a male like in normal worlds. So the whole order goes one generation upward and that made Rika's mom to become the Reincarnation (since she is the 8th here and Rika is the 9th).
SnowSong
2009-05-24, 16:46
Poor Rika. However, can anyone reveal from their visual novel experience whether Rika was ever close to her mom before she died? Or how affectionate is Rika towards this mom?
Poor Rika. However, can anyone reveal from their visual novel experience whether Rika was ever close to her mom before she died? Or how affectionate is Rika towards this mom?
She actually tried to distance herself from her parents, because she knew they always died.
…両親は必ず昭和５６年に死ぬ。
... My parents without fail die in Showa 56 (1981).
その運命はどうせ覆せない。
I can't overturn that fate at all.
それに元々反りが合わないなら、いなくなってもどうでもいいや…。
Besides, if we can't get along well from the start, even if they disappear, it's indifferent to me....
そんな考えが重なっていき、両親への関心がなくなり、……ますますに両親と私の心がすれ違って、……ますま す悪循環に陥っていったのかもしれない。
Possibly, as such thoughts were piling up, my concern for my parents disappeared, ...... and the more my heart and my parent's missed each other, ...... the more we were falling into a vicious circle.
私はこの世界に得るものなど何もないと思ってきたが、……そんなことに気付かされるとは想像も しなかった。
I've been thinking I had nothing to gain in this world but, ...... I had no idea I'd be made to realize such a thing.
…こんな母なら、………一緒に過ごすのも、温かで楽しいかもしれない。
... If it's a mother like this, ...... maybe spending time together with her too might be warm and fun.
そうだ…。
That's right....
私が母親の温かさを拒絶したのは、………死別する悲しさを和らげたかったからかもしれない。
Maybe the reason I refused my mother's warmth, ......... was because I wanted to relieve the sadness of the bereavement.
…昭和５６年の運命が変えられないなら、母を嫌いになればいい。
... If the fate of Showa 56 can't be changed, then I should hate my mother.
………そんな考えが根底にあったのだろうか…。
......... I wonder if that thinking was in the root of it....
この世界の母は、昭和５６年を過ぎてもいなくならない。
My mother of this world doesn't disappear even after Showa 56.
typhonsentra
2009-05-24, 17:41
Well, you can always read theacefrehley's rough translation of the Sound Novel if you want to.
Chapter: 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?7idb3mtnn07) - 2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?hgitz35yizr) - 3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?se2rnlbdzyz) - 4 (http://www.mediafire.com/?1yv4jwoltxb) - 5 (http://www.mediafire.com/?2aolyxljyzr)
You only have to read chapter 5 if you want to continue where this episode ended but I would advise you to read it from the beginning to see what they left out in the anime.
Thank you, just got around to reading it all.
Boy.... this is going to be boring to translate into a visual medium. Virtually no action of any kind in this final chapter. It makes some interesting philosophical points but it'll just be talking/thinking heads for 20-30 minutes straight. It was also kind of interesting how Mion(Shion) showed no interest whatsoever in Satoshi in this world, at least from what Rika could observe.
I also noticed that they really toned down Rika's sadness quite a bit, it takes away from the sense of dispair she's supposed to be feeling, most of the conflict in her mind isn't over whether or not she could be happier in this world, it's just whether she should bite the bullet for everyone else.
Emerald Emblem
2009-05-25, 05:46
As a Sakoto fan, I have to admit, she really had that coming, right on Rika! I was missing Hanyuu, glad to at least hear her voice again and seeing her in the flashback.
As to what Rika decides, we know blood will fly in the end.
Silverwyrm
2009-05-25, 06:13
wow I was like "holy ****" it Rika's sudden burst of violence at Satako O.o Im a bit surprised everyone wrote it off so easily. With that said, she did kinda have it coming. So whats the release schedule on this? 1 more in a month then its over?
Skullchukka
2009-05-25, 06:16
22nd of June If I'm right.
Eleutheria
2009-05-25, 11:29
They took out the all-important wine scene!
I also noticed that they really toned down Rika's sadness quite a bit, it takes away from the sense of dispair she's supposed to be feeling.
Speaking of which, I like how the OP portrayed Rika's sense of alienation better than the actual show. :heh:
Did they , or will they move it to the next episode?
Did they , or will they move it to the next episode?
What she thinks in that scene influenses what she tells Yamamoto. Since that was altered, I doubt that they'll include it later.
From the POV of someone who hasn't read the sound novel nor is fixated with Higurashi's violent side, I was frankly impressed by the emotional dilemma this episode presented for Rika. Remember that rather tha skippig over things, it is R07 the one that often tends to overdescribe situatios, so IMHO the anime's rendition was quite on mark.
Change of Pace
2009-05-29, 22:09
Holy goddamn shit. This episode and its ending has left me unable to formulate coherent speech, and instead has me babbling to anyone who will pretend to listen about why I love Higurashi to the point of no return. I've been overly careful with spoilers, so all I knew was that Rika was going to have to choose to commit a "forbidden sin" to return to the previous sin. Knowing that this sin... concerns her own mother... oh god, if I wasn't shaking by the end of the episode, I am now. Combined with the Satoko beating scene and the entire melancholic feel that this arc is seeped with... I-I need to go calm down; this is too much for my nerves.
Liddo-kun
2009-06-01, 11:47
Rika shows Satoko who's the boss. :D
Seriously now though, I wonder if she would choose to stay with her parents or go back to her own world.
*can't wait for the next episode http://thebenevolent.net/imghost/files/vfi7v3ums1zwtwxld5z5.gif (http://thebenevolent.net/imghost/)
I didnt really want to read through the entire thread so forgive me if this has been asked before, but I've been wondering this since I started Rei 2 :confused:
Why is Hanyuu back to Ghost Mode to begin with? If Rei would be the sequel to the original ending of the series (how can anyone remember all those arc names :eyespin: ?) she should be a real human.
And after reading a bit it seems like rei (like the whole anime) is lacking information from the games? So if you want to know it all, would it be better to play the games? (I guess there should be a way to download an english version somewhere, right?)
Does Rei even make any sence without the games? Is there a way to make complete sence out of the entire series without any of the tipps / hints?
Or does it just lack and has flaws at some point that just make no sence / are never explained (anyone remembers this see of darkness paralel world and this de-mon in digimon 02 which just made no sence since they never finished this plotline and it was just a loose end?)
If also read some stuff about that there is another "final" ending in the games and rei may acutally be a sequel to that ending (which would be weird because no one here "should" know about that ending and if you just take the series it would make no sence at all)
What would be your best take on the entire series (if you dont speak japanese)?
Because I really think about playing the games (if this is possible) and reading the mangas to get closer to how higurashi was supposed to be.
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I'm sorry for going offtopic (through I still tried to stick to it somehow) but all those arcs and extra arcs and alternate arcs and videogames and mangas and whatnot are just too much for me and I really want to completly understand higurashi :eyespin:
The series all by itself is confusing enough but after reading the wikipedia article about all the arcs I just lost all hope at ever figuring it out completly, but then I found this board thx to google and it seems like there are some people around here which got it figured out. Still I cant make no threads so I decided to just ask here before my mind blows :eyespin:
Thanks for any answers xD
// just checked the preview, i use this :eyespin: smiley too much but its kinda fitting for higurashi :eyespin: //
Why is Hanyuu back to Ghost Mode to begin with? If Rei would be the sequel to the original ending of the series (how can anyone remember all those arc names :eyespin: ?) she should be a real human.
Remember the scene with Keiichi's dad? Hanyuu was in her human form there too but she later appeared in her spirit form when she was talking with Rika. It's safe to assume that she can change form at will.
Does Rei even make any sence without the games? Is there a way to make complete sence out of the entire series without any of the tipps / hints?
The anime is only lacking compared to the sound novel (game) and manga. You can understand the core of the story just fine with the anime.
If also read some stuff about that there is another "final" ending in the games and rei may acutally be a sequel to that ending
Rei is the epilogue of the last arc of Kai. That other ending you speak of is from the PS2 game and it replaced the original ending. As far as I know, the original author had nothing to do with it so it isn't canon.
What would be your best take on the entire series (if you dont speak japanese)?
Because I really think about playing the games (if this is possible) and reading the mangas to get closer to how higurashi was supposed to be.
Personally,
sound novel > manga > anime
There's a demo of the sound novel if you want to try it and it's fully translated too. You can download it with the patch preinstalled here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/2gtvwn). To start it up, you have to run 'onscripter-en' in the english folder.
Skullchukka
2009-06-02, 07:16
A simple question;
There's supposed to be Frederika in this Arc, yet she has not appeared yet.
Also the fact that Bernkastel's voicing is not on the Umineko cast list, it makes me wonder... Will they be removing Bernkastel for any reason? If so.... Why? :/
Katsu Koneko
2009-06-02, 15:09
A simple question;
There's supposed to be Frederika in this Arc, yet she has not appeared yet.
Also the fact that Bernkastel's voicing is not on the Umineko cast list, it makes me wonder... Will they be removing Bernkastel for any reason? If so.... Why? :/
She was supposed to be in Rei episode 3, but they skipped over her scene. Which saddens me...
"Remember the scene with Keiichi's dad? Hanyuu was in her human form there too but she later appeared in her spirit form when she was talking with Rika. It's safe to assume that she can change form at will."
Not really, dont want to rewatch the entire series, which scene :upset: ?
That was one of those scenes after the credits I think..Somewhere around episode 17 of Kai.
Its episode 18, thanks xD
Still seems strange that she just switches her forms like that, especially when they are out and playing, why would she go ghost mode instead of joining them?
maximilianjenus
2009-06-03, 11:43
To not freak them out.
Wouldnt they rather freak out when she turns ghost when she seemed to be a normal human?
maximilianjenus
2009-06-03, 16:17
A human dissapearing is pretty normal, a human appearing is not.
lovelysan
2009-06-05, 14:43
But why does she feel the need to go into dispapear mode in the first place? I thought she liked playing with everybody :/ .
TheForsaken
2009-06-05, 19:49
She is shy :heh:
Ahhh I'm reminded of why Higurashi is so great again.
So to be able to commune with Hanyu, Rika needs her identity as the "reincarnation of Oyashiro-sama". And for her to get that, her mother must DIE! mwahaha.
Can't Rika just live normally in the new world though? Her mother would probably die first due to aging, then Rika would have the powers back and then redo the world where she was splatted by a truck. She could live another two lives, and there's no need to murder anyone.
Then again, that would be too boring... XD
Can't Rika just live normally in the new world though? Her mother would probably die first due to aging, then Rika would have the powers back and then redo the world where she was splatted by a truck. She could live another two lives, and there's no need to murder anyone.
Unfortunately, that's not an option. You will see why in the next episode. ;)
WinD have released ]a fansub of this episode ([url=http://a.scarywater.net/wind/%5BWinD%5D_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_Rei_-_03_%5BDVD%5D%5B739788F1%5D.mkv.torrent). I'd suggest watching it, as ASR_Kurou completely misinterpreted what was being said in a number of scenes.
A simple question;
There's supposed to be Frederika in this Arc, yet she has not appeared yet.
Also the fact that Bernkastel's voicing is not on the Umineko cast list, it makes me wonder... Will they be removing Bernkastel for any reason? If so.... Why? :/
Bern has a pivotal role in Umineko, so there's no chance that they'll remove her.
But why does she feel the need to go into dispapear mode in the first place? I thought she liked playing with everybody :/ .
To conserve her power perhaps.
Unfortunately, that's not an option. You will see why in the next episode. ;)
Well, Rika could try to kill herself if worse came to worse like in Watanigashi...
Well, Rika could try to kill herself if worse came to worse like in Watanigashi...
Like it was mentioned in this episode, Hanyuu's power can't reach the sinless world so Rika's dead for good if she dies there.
Like it was mentioned in this episode, Hanyuu's power can't reach the sinless world so Rika's dead for good if she dies there.
Not everyone's so fortunate to have a reset button at work...
Maho Momo
2009-06-10, 20:12
I dunno if having a reset button makes Rika THAT fortunate. :heh:
typhonsentra
2009-06-10, 20:40
More related to the game's script but....
A big theme in this story was how random occurrences can change even important events and relationships that you might hold very dear. They concentrate heavily on Satoko's relationship with Rika in this alternative world but possibly even more interesting is the implication that the Shion of this world isn't particularly (Or possibly not at all) interested in Satoshi. She mainly hangs out with Rena and doesn't go out of her way to spend time or hang out with him whatsoever. It could be that we were just seeing things from Rika's perspective and she wouldn't care to investigate their interpersonal relationships but I think it''s likely the writer was trying to tie it with the previously mentioned theme. It's funny to think about, considering how it defines her entire character in the main series.
Maho Momo
2009-06-10, 22:18
Wow... I never noticed that before, it is kinda odd that she doesn't seem especially close to Satoshi now. Maybe it's because they basically grew up together? So their past and feelings towards each other would be different... also, Shion's mental state is A LOT different than it was before... so maybe, that somehow affects the situation as well...
More related to the game's script but....
A big theme in this story was how random occurrences can change even important events and relationships that you might hold very dear. They concentrate heavily on Satoko's relationship with Rika in this alternative world but possibly even more interesting is the implication that the Shion of this world isn't particularly (Or possibly not at all) interested in Satoshi. She mainly hangs out with Rena and doesn't go out of her way to spend time or hang out with him whatsoever. It could be that we were just seeing things from Rika's perspective and she wouldn't care to investigate their interpersonal relationships but I think it''s likely the writer was trying to tie it with the previously mentioned theme. It's funny to think about, considering how it defines her entire character in the main series.
Shion falls in love with Satoshi because at the time she was really emonionally vulnerable as she had just lost the position as future head of Sonozaki house and thus went from widely respected to being the black sheep of the family. Satoshi treated her kindly at the time and that's why she fell in love with him. In this world the switch never took place and thus she has no reason to develop feelings for him.
Shion falls in love with Satoshi because at the time she was really emonionally vulnerable as she had just lost the position as future head of Sonozaki house and thus went from widely respected to being the black sheep of the family. Satoshi treated her kindly at the time and that's why she fell in love with him. In this world the switch never took place and thus she has no reason to develop feelings for him.
In the regular worlds, "Shion" has lost her position as the future head years ago. That happened when they put the tattoo on the original Shion to make her "Mion" when they were kids.
The main trigger is that Satoshi saved "Shion" from the three ruffians, after "Shion" escaped from St.Lucia; the emotional instability comes from being locked away in St.Lucia for a year or two, and as you mentioned, the guilt of pushing the position to "Mion". Meeting him later again in the park and going to shopping with him sealed the whole deal.
Shion falls in love with Satoshi because at the time she was really emonionally vulnerable as she had just lost the position as future head of Sonozaki house and thus went from widely respected to being the black sheep of the family. Satoshi treated her kindly at the time and that's why she fell in love with him. In this world the switch never took place and thus she has no reason to develop feelings for him.
So in the perfect world the other sister is stuck in St. Lucia I suppose? That's not really fair either though.
It isn't a perfect world...just a sinless one. One where none of the bad things happened. As one might guess, Rika sees it as less than perfect.
typhonsentra
2009-06-11, 15:43
Another interesting aspect of this theory about the author's view on relationships is that it might explain why he never explored any of them further than as a plot device to trigger the events of the Watanagashi/Meakishi arcs: He doesn't really believe in love, it's just another way to fill a void. Pretty cynical stuff.
Mint Kashiro
2009-06-11, 21:03
Another interesting aspect of this theory about the author's view on relationships is that it might explain why he never explored any of them further than as a plot device to trigger the events of the Watanagashi/Meakishi arcs: He doesn't really believe in love, it's just another way to fill a void. Pretty cynical stuff.
Except that 'love' is a rather strong undertone to a lot of the answer arcs. Well, friendship, and then love. The romance isn't furthur explored than it already is because that would deter from the main purpose of the plot, and the story he is trying to tell. At least, that is my opinion on the matter.
typhonsentra
2009-06-11, 21:39
Except that 'love' is a rather strong undertone to a lot of the answer arcs. Well, friendship, and then love. The romance isn't furthur explored than it already is because that would deter from the main purpose of the plot, and the story he is trying to tell. At least, that is my opinion on the matter.
What I mean is that he cuts the epilogue short of including things like Satoshi waking up or Keiichi revealing that Shion told him about Mion loving him. Apparently he's said he wanted to leave what happens after to be left to the imagination but since then he's done some post-epilogues (This and the one comic that just ended which I don't know much about.) to the main story which seem to consciously avoid this topic. I can't read the guy's mind though, so this also is just speculation on why he wrote things the way he did. This story in particular however paints the author as being highly cynical of his fellow man, it's not a a huge stretch to extend that to him not believing in romantic love. If everything's to chance, there's no such thing as a soul mate.
maximilianjenus
2009-06-12, 09:33
Please, delete your episode 4 comments, if there is no thread just wait until there is one.
About the author's cynical take on love, I think that's pretty wrong as you can see in his other works, he is not cynical at all.
So in the perfect world the other sister is stuck in St. Lucia I suppose? That's not really fair either though.
At least Mion and Shion have a good relationship and "Shion" doesn't feel resentment towards her sister for taking her position as heir to the house.
What I mean is that he cuts the epilogue short of including things like Satoshi waking up or Keiichi revealing that Shion told him about Mion loving him. Apparently he's said he wanted to leave what happens after to be left to the imagination but since then he's done some post-epilogues (This and the one comic that just ended which I don't know much about.) to the main story which seem to consciously avoid this topic. I can't read the guy's mind though, so this also is just speculation on why he wrote things the way he did. This story in particular however paints the author as being highly cynical of his fellow man, it's not a a huge stretch to extend that to him not believing in romantic love. If everything's to chance, there's no such thing as a soul mate.
I think we can just expand the rule that there is no romance in shonens on higurashi, it just would seem strange and ruin some of the jokes.
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All this talking about Rika having a reset button made me think of chobits :heh:
Ca12nag3
2009-06-13, 08:34
Well i believe its all part of the story itself. Rika doesnt grow up yet shes 100s of years old... And in every world there is a love intrest either between Keichii and Rena or Mion. I think its just the sad end that their lives end at the end of june so it wont develope, so you never get to see what might have been.
Personaly i hope when there is a final end to it the author shows how it should be ending. A happy reunion or something. Getting off OVA topic here ^^
The OVA looks good and apart from the first episode its good old mystery storytelling, looks hopefull for continuation in a new season. (wishing for it).
maximilianjenus
2009-06-13, 12:19
At least Mion and Shion have a good relationship and "Shion" doesn't feel resentment towards her sister for taking her position as heir to the house.
Judging by more series of the same author, maybe mion is even happier by not being burdened of inheriting the sonozaki problems.
Miko Miko
2009-06-13, 13:26
Request:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-okVcVPYD4&feature=related
Rika:
Rika and her mother 3:19-3:24
4:14-4:15 Angry face
4:30-4:33
Satoko:
Winking 0:10-0:12 &
Rika and Satoko:
3:56-3:59
4:00-4:02
lovelysan
2009-06-16, 15:38
"soulmates" and "believing in love" isn't really synonimous...
In fact, a story where a person falls in love with another who's a total jerk to them, but it's "TRUE" because it was "meant to be!" tend to be rather groan inducing.
Just watch this oav :
Lol Rika who is angry and hit Satoko with a chair . But it didn't hurt . Just a scratch on the hand lol
I wonder how many times Rika will travel in the time . Its like there won't be an end .
It was the first times we saw Rika's parents i think . Well i don't really remember .
So its her mom ! She have to kill her lol and Yamato don't believe Rika its obvious . She's naive .
Kill your mom and retrieve your real friends or rest in the current times and left them ?
(As always Rika loves wines XD )
risingstar3110
2009-06-26, 13:22
Watched this at last and wow, it reminds me how great Higurashi was ^^
Now i'm thirst for Ep 4 (probably the final of this arc?). I fear for what may come......
The OP was great, i am addicted to it now.
PS: ppl pls label the spoiler, i feel like i was spoiled with not only how this arc gonna end, but about what gonna happen in Umineko as well.......
Edit: the Higurashi petdesks were quite fun to watch xD
maximilianjenus
2009-06-27, 09:54
ova 4 is the final of this arc, then ova 5 is a new arc and they should eb done with the pc games' material, thoguh there are still a few novels left (some that ryukishi wrote) as well as the manga exclusive chapters. We can hope for the most popular manga exclusive chapter to be animated, but I think they will mvoe all the recurses to umineko instead.
lovelysan
2009-07-01, 09:47
ova 4 is the final of this arc, then ova 5 is a new arc and they should eb done with the pc games' material, thoguh there are still a few novels left (some that ryukishi wrote) as well as the manga exclusive chapters. We can hope for the most popular manga exclusive chapter to be animated, but I think they will mvoe all the recurses to umineko instead.
....Which one of the manga exclusive arcs are the most popular? There's only three of 'em right?
Personally, I would love to see the arcs with Natsumi and older Mion animated. Those are my favorites. Don't particularly care for the one that took place at Shion's school though (though that one was canceled I heard.)
EDIT- Oh yeah, the thing is, the manga exclusive arcs don't really have the old characters in them. So...
maximilianjenus
2009-07-02, 09:35
two arcs have shmion, the most popular one is the one that has akasaka and oishi as secondary charcters, though. it made it to the DS novel.
lovelysan
2009-07-02, 14:32
That's the one with Natsumi! It's a whoooole lotta cool *laughs* . Actually though, the other one with adult shmion made it into one of the DS novels too I belive. I saw screenshots I think ... . (the new designs were pretty nifty. )
maximilianjenus
2009-07-03, 11:32
What really hits me about the onisarashi is that it is the first one that actually has false scenes, so you have to go by the facts and clues rather than the scene itself, setting a precedent to umineko's magic scenes.
What really hits me about the onisarashi is that it is the first one that actually has false scenes, so you have to go by the facts and clues rather than the scene itself, setting a precedent to umineko's magic scenes.
Really? I thought it was a straightforward repeat of what was going on in Onikakushi-hen. It too has an unreliable narrator after all.
maximilianjenus
2009-07-04, 09:54
Personally, I don't find the onikakushi to have an unreliable narrator, at least not in the anime or manga (I have yet to read the novel), since you can take all phrases and events at face value and everything is pretty normal.
Personally, I don't find the onikakushi to have an unreliable narrator, at least not in the anime or manga (I have yet to read the novel), since you can take all phrases and events at face value and everything is pretty normal.
But as you find out in Tsumihoboroshi-hen, much of what happened in it were Keiichi's hallucinations. Onisarashi-hen does the same thing.
And don't you think that the cat-eyes for example that Keiichi hallucinates are abnormal?
maximilianjenus
2009-07-06, 09:49
Yeah,but he only allucinates small stuff that already exists, like cat eyes or mistaking a marker for a syringe. My point was that in the onisarashi they allucinate whole events; i.e. her mother killing her father when in fact it was natsumi whom killed her father, like the lies in umineko.
Yeah,but he only allucinates small stuff that already exists, like cat eyes or mistaking a marker for a syringe. My point was that in the onisarashi they allucinate whole events; i.e. her mother killing her father when in fact it was natsumi whom killed her father, like the lies in umineko.
And Satoko thinks that her uncle is still around tormenting her in Tatarigoroshi-hen, when he had been dead for days. Natumi making a mistake about the identity of the murderer doesn't seem like much in comparison.
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