The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 1]

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[Aizu]

Yes ! Totaly awesome ! Awesome enidng tune ! Thanks Kyoto, this is really interesting episode.

Also,
I like young Haruhi and adult Mikuru. So cute, yeah.
No new op. Okay, now waiting for new episodes. One month to go.

[QueenNori]

Liked the new ending.

[musume_no_hoshi]

New ending = awesome

Even if there is no dancing, it's still a good ending. I do like the running scene for some reason.

The episode itself felt like typical Haruhi, I can barely remember what happened in the novel. I think I got to wait for a subbed version.

[C.A.]

I still think Hare is better, maybe this ED hasn't got to me yet. The dancing has definitely left with the director.

[Sute443]

New ending is interesting. Pity we'll have to wait a few weeks to find out what the new opening will be/if there will be a new op.

EDIT: Also, is it just me, or does Mikuru seem a little bit taller than she did before? Did the top of her head always come above Kyon's shoulders?

[Midonin]

The new ED's release date is 8/26, going by a commercial that aired immediately after.

This is going to be a long wait.

[Ottocycle]

Remind me never to watch a Haruhi ep with Yuki in it raw. I died from the jargon.

[DRAGUN H.E.X.]

:frustrated: duuh, what the hell were they smokin when they did that... oh well, my back hurts now. *yawn*

[Kid Ying]

I still think Hare is better, maybe this ED hasn't got to me yet. The dancing has definitely left with the director.
Yeah, it's the same with me. But Hare leave such an impression that it's hard to associate any other ed with Haruhi, at least for me, so i will give some time for the new ed to grown for me.

About the episode, i didn't read the novels, so i didn't get a lot of stuff, but it looks good. I hope someone sub this in 1080p(or at least 720p) cause Haruhi deserves it.

Argh, now, after all the trolling, all the pain... One more month to see new stuff again. But it's worth it.

[Team Rocket Elite]

Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody was one of my favorite parts of Haruhi. The anime did an amazing job with it. It took 3 years, but it's good to see Haruhi back. =D

[C.A.]

Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody was one of my favorite parts of Haruhi. The anime did an amazing job with it. It took 3 years, but it's good to see Haruhi back. =DYep 3 years, there's no better time than 3 years to air Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody.

[dkellis]

I'm going to have to give the new ED some time to grow on me. Right now I'm still too used to HHY.

[Ascaloth]

"Tomare" is....epileptastic, to put it mildly. X_X

[Midonin]

Yep 3 years, there's no better time than 3 years to air Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody.
That's pretty clever of them.

[Heminga13]

Awesome new episode, pacing seemed kinda quick though.

[Team Rocket Elite]

Hare Hare Yukai is hard to live up to. Tomare is still pretty good.

[Max10]

I'm trying to remember the novels...
Endless Eight would be a nice bonus, but as far as a plot backbone to hang the episodes around, Disappearance seems the obvious choice. Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody is key to that book too. This was the point I thought the novels really got interesting.

[QueenNori]

What's the next episode called?

[C.A.]

What's the next episode called?They didn't show, but we can guess it could be Endless Eight.

[TadloS]

Awesome episode, awesome... Though new ED wasn't good like previous ED but still pretty good.

~ All Hail Haruhi-sama! ~

[mannish_boy]

NEW ED here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti7uvoK8RVk

[DJ_RockmanX]

They didn't show, but we can guess it could be Endless Eight.

Next week should be Mysterique Sign.

Endless Eight should be 4 weeks from now.

[Team Rocket Elite]

What's the next episode called?

They didn't say but it's probably Mystérique Sign since they are going in chronological order. Next new episode should be after "Remote Island Syndrome Part 2".

[panzerfan]

Arguably it's not really episode 1.

There does exist a rumored order of airing that I think I won't mention here... however, Mystérique Sign should really be upcoming.

[Team Rocket Elite]

No one seems quite sure of a good way to number the episodes in the new season. Also this is technically going to be a 4th way of numbering the episodes in the first season.

[Xacual]

Well we don't even need an episode number, just an episode title.

I might not understand the language but it seemed to keep really close to the novel so I knew pretty much what was going on. I thought it was a great ep and I am going to find it hard to wait 4 weeks for the next new ep :(

[Peanutbutter003]

Posting the ED here (should be okay right?)

8ZTX-KliKcY

Now I can die happy. :D

(After listening to the ED a few times, I'm okay with it. Hare Hare Yukai is still better but that is legendary. There's no way something can be better than that.)

[lavarock]

Did this episode cover all of what happened in the book 3: Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody? That was the highlight of book3 for me.

[Proto]

Huh? Wah? wait? for real?


... were did I left that for the lulz motivational poster where I need it...

[panzerfan]

arguably, if you know the novels, the anime will be a case of:
1. visual aid
2. comparison

I do highly recommend people to give a read of the novels for the best Haruhi experience.

[Rice_slayer]

Don't know if it was mentioned, but check coalguys.com. Methinks we will have subs up by tonight. I was in Math class keeping the one thread up on my phone, almost died when I saw that they were airing this ep. I couldn't pay attention to the lesson after that :P.

[Ascaloth]

Now I can die happy. :D



Dude, wait until you've watched the rest of the new episodes before you die. :D

[Peanutbutter003]

Dude, wait until you've watched the rest of the new episodes before you die. :D

I'm gonna die every second while watching this episode.

I'm still trying to find it. :upset:

EDIT: Found it! Now watching it. Now excuse me, while I enjoy my 25 mins of bliss.

[Team Rocket Elite]

Did this episode cover all of what happened in the book 3: Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody? That was the highlight of book3 for me.

It seems like they did to me. But it's been a while since I've read the light novel.

[SidVicious]

It was good to see Yuki again. :)

[Solais]

Did this episode cover all of what happened in the book 3: Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody? That was the highlight of book3 for me.

I think it was pretty accurate, but I think I remember, that Kyon heard somekind of music while time-travelling... or that was in Disappearance?

Btw, waiting for the subs, I hope they'll release a smaller-than-720p version too, because my CPU is just too slow for that. (Tried re-encoding, failed.)

[topboy]

haruhi,yuki look same as 1st season but mikuru is look weird :

http://www.pantip.com/cafe/chalermthai/topic/A7889227/A7889227-3.jpg

[Ithekro]

"Faith manages"

:D

[Kaioshin Sama]

Now to find out if the episode was actually good or not. Cause the new ending is kind of meh.....

[DJ_RockmanX]

Now to find out if the episode was actually good or not. Cause the new ending is kind of meh.....

Missing the old one already?

[Kyanme]

I liked the new ED. I don't think you can top Hare Hare Yukai, ever, so I'm glad they didn't do a new dance. (Now watch, if there's a new OP, it'll contain dancing. :heh: )

I don't understand moonspeak, but I honestly was floored by this episode. Not just for the "new episode euphoria"; the animation, art, voice acting, even the BGM held my attention the full episode. If the rest of the new episodes are as enjoyable as this one was, then it was well worth the wait and trolling.

That said, can't wait for the soundtrack already. I loved all of the music so far, though the ED will have to grow on me. Then again, I didn't like Bouken Desho? or Hare Hare Yukai as songs, either... /lynched!

Now the agonizing wait for subs. :C

[Kaioshin Sama]

Missing the old one already?

It just kind of sounds like the Saki ending to be honest.....only with less cracked out animation. Not that it's awful or anything, I just kind of expected them to push it to the limit because this is supposed to be like the "return of the goddess" or whatever it is that other people are always saying. Then again they lost the guy that did all of those dance openings so I can't say I'm surprised at the change in style much and really it's sort of refreshing.

[dkellis]

haruhi,yuki look same as 1st season but mikuru is look weird :

It looks like the Lucky Star art style sneaked in there somewhere. Also, I'm only comparing it to Lucky Star because I don't know the actual term for it (it's more pronounced in K-On).

I base this mainly on the shape of the mouth (and the slight deformation of the face to be more "puni puni") and the blush pattern: in the first season, the blushing is more uniform across the face, while it seems more concentrated around the nose region here.

"Faith manages"

I agree completely.

[C.A.]

For the character designs, I find everyone looking shorter than before lol

For the girls, their hair has gotten bigger, so they're heads look even bigger than before.

For guys, especially Kyon, he just seemed to have a shorter body, maybe because of larger hair volume as well.

But as long as they're animated and moving like they used to, there's nothing bad.

EDIT: lol, I've quoted a few times "I find your lack of faith disturbing.", to those unfaithful ones. They've been going "lol Haruhists" at me for 3 years.

Haruhists should have faith in Haruhi-sama, not Kadokawa or Kyoani.

[Midonin]

But still, f*ck you Kadokawa for such an elaborate trolling.
Keeping this under wraps for so long, the small leaks of information, the fact that nobody really knew until a few minutes ago. They shouldn't be hated for that. To pull off something on that level for a company makes them earn my respect.

[Kinny Riddle]

Keeping this under wraps for so long, the small leaks of information, the fact that nobody really knew until a few minutes ago. They shouldn't be hated for that. To pull off something on that level for a company makes them earn my respect.
Of course I knew that. I should add a LOL behind that sentence so people don't actually treat that seriously. :cool:

(I keep forgetting some people just don't get the Brit dry sense of humour with its generous usage of the f-word)

[dkellis]

That said, can't wait for the soundtrack already. I loved all of the music so far, though the ED will have to grow on me. Then again, I didn't like Bouken Desho? or Hare Hare Yukai as songs, either... /lynched!

Weirdly, I fell in love with Hare Hare Yukai the first time I heard it, but Bouken Deshou Deshou took several episodes before I saw it as more than Just Another Song. I'm not entirely sure why; it could be the chord progression or something.

Tomare currently feels like BDD did: Just Another Song. It's not bad as such, but I'll need to listen to it more before I can pick out all the musical flourishes which are inevitably in there.

(I should mention that I liked Lucky Star's Motteke Sailor Fuku because I thought the bass line was hilariously complicated.)

EDIT:
x invariably
o inevitably

I need more sleep.

[Midonin]

Of course I knew that. I should add a LOL behind that sentence so people don't actually treat that seriously. :cool:

(I keep forgetting some people just don't get the Brit dry sense of humour with colourful use of the f-word)
Understood. My mistake.

[Solais]

It's funny how Kadokawa redeemed itself in only 20 minutes. After all these years, all this trolling. I was there in the first row, I saw it, still... it's so hard to believe!

[Peanutbutter003]

My 25 mins of bliss is complete. I don't know whether it's better than sex though cause I'm still a virgin. :heh:

i) Overall, the animation felt different compared to the original series. If I had to rewatch everything chronologically again, I'm sure I'll feel awkward again when it comes to Bamboo Leaf Raphsody.

ii) I'm seeing K-On!'s Yui all over the place. At points, when looking at Haruhi or Mikuru, I really thought I saw Yui.

iii) I'm kinda disappointed at the lack of "special effects" at two points, Time-Travel and Time-Stopping. If they managed to have something for the "Kyon sleeping and suddenly woke up by Haruhi in Melancholy", you will expect something similar.

But as far as I remember, the novels describe both the two events above with a blink of an eye so I guess this has to do. I'll say it again, kinda expect more there.

Now to wait for Endless Eight or Disappearance. When it comes to Disappearance, I wonder about the impact of lack of Haruhi. Actually, from this point on, Haruhi really becomes a side-character while Kyon really take centre-stage.

The original series had Aya really dominating the show with her wonderful delivery. If that is shortened or even missing, I wonder what kind of consequences will the series as a whole face? Well, I guess we'll see.

[MrTerrorist]

The Goddess returns! And may she bring Kyonko & Itsuko into reality!

[Semantics]

I'm a bit giddy from watching the ED alone. Though, it could be due to the dual onslaught of its epileptic nature AND the news that Haruhi's finally back. Yippeeeeeee!

I loved the running. And nobody does hair like Kyoani. Nobody.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Art was... well, it was pretty crap, relatively speaking. ED isn't really that great either.

Otherwise the episode was excellent. But the art quality was one of the main draws in Haruhi for me, and so...

7/10.

[dark-kyon]

wow waiting sub version of coal guys.look his web is funny.

http://coalguys.com/

[Aizu]

wow waiting sub version of coal guys.look his web is funny.

http://coalguys.com/
Well...

http://oresama.pl/
http://www.ggkthx.org/

[OceanBlue]

So then, is the SHiN-gx Fansubs file a fake? They don't have it on their website, nor is it on their tracker.
Darn you, K-On!, for making me skeptical about everything now!

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well I decided to forgo all the formalities and such and put up a first impression of this episode over on AH (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/bamboo-leaf-rhapsody-and-haruhi-season-2-first-impressions/).

Loved the music by Lantis (they're starting to feel a bit like the Vangelis of the anime industry.....okay maybe not that good), but the pacing of the episode and what story events got the most time spent on them left me a touch cold in terms of reaction having already read the novel. Not enough to make this a poor episode or anything though, just not enough to make it a great one.

[musume_no_hoshi]

It feels like the 'good o' haruhi', then something that feels over-amazing that can't be describe with words. It's a good episode, reminds me why I liked Haruhi from the first place.

If I haven't read the novel before hand, I'm sure this episode would be much better. I remember reading this part during school time, and I wanted to read more of it, so I read it in maths.

[Vexx]

Pardon me whilst I bask in the light of an unfamiliar universe.... one in which there's a new Haruhi episode.

Haven't seen it yet but perhaps later this evening...

Almost to the day when I was notified that my Nagato shipped.... o.-

[Game8910]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/Killerlion/1242931452327.jpg

[kyosak]

Damn those subs came out FAST!

[Justin Kim]

Is the second season already out? If so, where can I see it?

[Team Rocket Elite]

Subs aren't out yet. Can't help you with raws here.

[ThoHell]

subs out now.... I'm rather shocked that s2 is out already. Thought it was coming later sometime this summer. Anyways can't wait, time to get ep. 1 now!

[Fenrir_valindri]

Wow, I haven't watched it yet, but I'm hyped up, can't wait to see it. :eyespin:

[Aizu]

Is the second season already out? If so, where can I see it?
subs out now
Beware of some fakes.

[Team Rocket Elite]

subs out now.... I'm rather shocked that s2 is out already. Thought it was coming later sometime this summer. Anyways can't wait, time to get ep. 1 now!

There are a bunch of fake subs. You sure it's real?

[ImperialX]

There are a bunch of fake subs. You sure it's real?

There are no real subs yet.

[Malkuth]

I just watched the raw.

Hoping that this is not just a extra and that new episodes will air chronologically, we should expect The Endless Eight in four weeks, after Mysterique Sign and Lone Island Syndrome (originally episodes 6-8). Afterwards follows The Sigh, which has to do with the filming of Mikuru's Adventures, then the festival episodes (originally episodes 1 & 11-12) to finally reached The Disappearance, which was advertised a couple of years ago.

The episode itself was a welcome surprise, but it has some issues. First the art took a hit as all of KyoAni's latest productions. Animation was also minimal, compared with the treat of the first season. Especially the character designs of Mikuru and to a lesser extend of Haruhi, seem influenced heavily by 4-coma styles. Also the VAs seemed to struggle at parts to get back to their original characterization, but this is expected since three years have elapsed. Plot-wise, the episode was loyal to the novel, at least as far as I can remember since it's been quite some time since I read it.

[typhonsentra]

So when can we expect Haruhi to (At long last) be moved to the "New Series" section again?

[Team Rocket Elite]

So when can we expect Haruhi to (At long last) be moved to the "New Series" section again?

Klashikari answers that here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2408594&postcount=4563

[Proto]

I watched the RAW.. I'm glad I kept my expectations on a realistic level, that way I was able to enjoy this episode in its just measure :)

Certainly it is not up to the level of the series some years ago, but we are on the middle of the worst economic recession to hit the world in recent years, and Japan has seen some of the worst of it. Factoring in that, I'd say that relatively speaking this season is superior to the previous one :p

[Ithekro]

The actors also have to switch out of Haruhi-chan mode, which they seem to have done for the most part.

[Stardust Romance]

Don't understand moonspeak so I can't say the new episode was amazing or anything. The animation looks nice but like what others mentioned, their latest style has crept onto Haruhi but I don't mind it too much.

The ED was mediorce.
Just kinda sad it sounds like the rest of the kawaii j-pop 12987831 ED songs out there with other anime. I'll probably warm up to it soon.

:]

[Hao]

Seems hard to believe after waiting so long... Can't wait to watch this.

[Rice_slayer]

Raw is posted on youtube... Must...resist... for....subs!

[Nochgo]

lol, 133 people viewing this thread.
Anyhow, so it begins. Now having read the novels, its wasn't really fun was it was when I was watching the first season, but still, I felt that everything was just the way it was during the first season. Its too bad that I lost the 'omg' feeling I had during the first season. This episode really made me want to read the novels again.

[BookOfMages]

Hearing Nagato's voice and seeing her eyes sparkle just made my day.

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/Azn_Rice_Kid/Yuki/snapshot20090521154727.jpg

[Claies]

Yo dawg, I herd u liek Haruhi seasons, so I put a Haruhi season in a Haruhi season, so you can crap your pants while you crap your pants.

In other words, holy shit.

[typhonsentra]

Raw is posted on youtube... Must...resist... for....subs!

You never read the short story for this? Damn, must've been a tough 3 years for you! :p

[Sheba]

The actors also have to switch out of Haruhi-chan mode, which they seem to have done for the most part.

Speaking of "mode", the three last years have done so much on me that I have been waiting for Itsuki to start stripping and sing the Curry Song. And Yuki to call Kyon bakayarou.

[Rice_slayer]

You never read the short story for this? Damn, must've been a tough 3 years for you! :p

lol No, I have read all nine novels from Baka-tsuki, bought the official one when it came out, and have both mangas :P. I just feel weird watching an anime without knowing what they are talking about(but I do know the story good enough that I could). Youtube quality=:mad:

[Ithekro]

Well we sort of got the Itsuki stripping part in Haruhi-chan. We'll have to wait for Yuki though.

[Jintor]

That close-up of Yuki near the end is spooky. I'll wait for the subs before casting my vote, though I've read BLR before.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

So its finally arrived. It was so akwards watching this episode and while I liked the episode just as much as any Haruhi episode before it, I felt that I wasn't excited enough while watching. I guess thats what a three year wait will do to you. Anyways its good to have Haruhi back.

[yezhanquan]

First of all, congrats to all who had waited for three years. It's been a while.

As for me, waiting for more eps from this season to come out, and combine with season 1. Danchou, it's indeed good to see you again.

[Stardust Romance]

Hearing Nagato's voice and seeing her eyes sparkle just made my day.

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/Azn_Rice_Kid/Yuki/snapshot20090521154727.jpg

For some reason, I always tend to get lost in her eyes....
It's weird :uhoh:

[yezhanquan]

Chihara-san's Stoic characters can do that sometimes. I know: Minami's my fave from Lucky Star.

[teelotes]

Raw is posted on youtube... Must...resist... for....subs!
Is that a subbed episode I see?

(No, not coa****s or sh**-*x troll.)

[Ithekro]

The episode itself played out as expected

This is probably the most central plot related episode on the entire series since it is reflected in at least three of the major plot lines. We get reintrodiced to all the SOS-dan members. Mikuru(BIG), lots of Mikuru(small), original flavor Yuki, loli Haruhi, but not really much for Itsuki.

Also "John Smith". I believe the responce to that was "That's a stupid name", but the subs may say differently.

Now to see how well things are handled in the future episodes.

[Vexx]

Hearing Nagato's voice and seeing her eyes sparkle just made my day.

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/Azn_Rice_Kid/Yuki/snapshot20090521154727.jpg
Yes, I have to admit I'm waiting for that look.... just hope they haven't smurfed the art/animation as some people are fidgeting about.

[Doc Astaroth]

Nice new episode...

Well, the animation seems to be influenced by Kyoani´s many Loli Characters at last time, but for Mikuru´s case, it works.

Cute Faktor *10!

I think, the content of this episode is quite close to the original and I liked the presentation.

The new ED is... nice. Not great, but nice... I like how they foreshadows an important aspect for the "Disappearence" Act at the end.

[ondivate]

subs are out.
http://www.live-evil.org/archives/2009/05/22/out-the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya-season-2-episode-1

[ReneeBurossamu]

The return of Haruhi was great. The music was superb.
The VAs sound different, but it's been three years.

The art style, however...
It really can't be that hard to return to the animation style of S1, could it? I found it hard to enjoy the new way of drawing. One of the best things I liked about Haruhi was how fluid the animation ran. I do love the characters, but I think that the "new style" only works well with Mikuru.
The lack of connected lines and small discrepancies added up to a bother for me.

I suppose I'm being a bit harsh. But Haruhi-sama NEVER fails us.
The episode in all, was wonderful. Simply wonderful.

Waiting three years to air this episode. That's a witty thing that Kadokawa did. Except for the waiting-for-three-years-by-the-fans part.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The art style, however...
It really can't be that hard to return to the animation style of S1, could it? I found it hard to enjoy the new way of drawing. One of the best things I liked about Haruhi was how fluid the animation ran. I do love the characters, but I think that the "new style" only works well with Mikuru.
The lack of connected lines and small discrepancies added up to a bother for me.

Actually, despite my earlier bitching, it's really not that different. (They still have the gorgeous eye design, which I love.)

Also they lost like a third of their good animators when Yamakan left, I recall.

[Solictum]

I really loved the episode :D

now I have to wait for a sub to come out.

[ReneeBurossamu]

Actually, despite my earlier bitching, it's really not that different. (They still have the gorgeous eye design, which I love.)

Also they lost like a third of their good animators when Yamakan left, I recall.

Seeing comparison pictures, I noticed.
Somehow the little differences just bother me. I don't entirely dislike the animation style. It just really doesn't fit into "Haruhi" to me. I'll live with it.

I think it's funny how I came from thinking that "it's a new drawing style" to "I want the old style back" after looking back to the old Haruhi style.

[Rice_slayer]

Is that a subbed episode I see?

(No, not coa****s or sh**-*x troll.)

You calling me the troll? I said the RAW is posted on youtube, I wait for subs to watch it... But after seeing all the pics(I watched the new ED already), I want to watch it now :(.

[Proto]

just hope they haven't smurfed the art/animation as some people are fidgeting about.

When I saw it I was like: ... so this is what they were complained about, huh?

So unless you are one of those guys who go on campaigns claiming why coke is better than pepsi, and how they are absolutely different, you won't mind the difference.

[Tatakae]

I don't see a big difference in animation quality compared to the old episodes. It's also difficult to compare animation quality because there wasn't a lot of action in this new episode anyway. Character designs have changed just very slightly towards a more moe sort of style. One thing however which struck me visually as different to the first original episodes are increased shots with fisheye camera angles and higher viewpoint angles in general, a technique which KyoAni also frequently uses in K-On.

[teelotes]

You calling me the troll? I said the RAW is posted on youtube, I wait for subs to watch it... But after seeing all the pics(I watched the new ED already), I want to watch it now :(.
I'm not calling you a troll :heh:

I'm saying the real subs are out, not referring to the troll subs by coa****s or sh**-*x (this might be a raw instead of a troll, but I'm not sure).

[Kaisos Erranon]

One thing however which struck me visually as different to the first original episodes are increased shots with fisheye camera angles and higher viewpoint angles in general, a technique which KyoAni also frequently uses in K-On.

And in Clannad and Kanon as well.

They've been doing that SINCE Haruhi, really. To be expected.

[Rice_slayer]

Im DLing a torrent by some unknown fansubs, wonder if its legit...will know within 6 mins :P

[teelotes]

I don't see a big difference in animation quality compared to the old episodes. It's also difficult to compare animation quality because there wasn't a lot of action in this new episode anyway. Character designs have changed just very slightly towards a more moe sort of style. One thing however which struck me visually as different to the first original episodes are increased shots with fisheye camera angles and higher viewpoint angles in general, a technique which KyoAni also frequently uses in K-On.
I need to rewatch the old episodes, but from memory, I agree with you that I don't see any big difference, or noticeable ones, in animation design.

KyoAni = creative camera angles, so no surprises there. For someone who hasn't watched K-On (the TV broadcast image quality does no justice), I don't notice any difference from the first season.

On another note,
Nagato shouldn't age, but I felt a small hint of maturity 3 years later. Or is it my imagination?

[teelotes]

Im DLing a torrent by some unknown fansubs, wonder if its legit...will know within 6 mins :P
It's legit, but I don't know about the accuracy of the translation.

[magnum]

Maybe we should now move this into Currently Aired Series Section since S2 is finally out.

[shaoron]

On another note,
Nagato shouldn't age, but I felt a small hint of maturity 3 years later. Or is it my imagination?

who the heck are you, Kyon!? :p
anyway... if you read the novels, Kyon mentioned something similar...

[Mecha_Trueno]

The actors also have to switch out of Haruhi-chan mode, which they seem to have done for the most part.LOL this was the exact same thing my on mind as well the moment I opened the file:heh:

Btw, Live-Evil & Dattebayo have subbed this... dunno if any downloads have been complete yet though.

Anyway, did anyone count how many times Kyon said "kawaii~~" during the ep?:D
Execution was good imo. For some reason I pretty much PREDICTED/EXPECTED that the episode's break/half-way mark would be at the first sighting of middle school Haruhi... actually, it wasn't hard to guess:D

Ah man, this makes me feel like re-reading some old chapters now:p


Off-topic: Random thought, I'm sure someone has probably already mentioned this though...
I'm GUESSING Lucky Star will be eligible for Saimoe2009 (via the OVA). If we're not gonna be getting anymore Lucky Star anime, then this means that this year will be the only year where the Lucky Star cast and Haruhi case can be in the same Saimoe tournament... lol its gonna be mayhem, can't wait:heh:

[Hao]

On another note,
Nagato shouldn't age, but I felt a small hint of maturity 3 years later. Or is it my imagination?

There was that close-up of the twinkle in her eyes, so perhaps yes indeed!

Just watched it, and loved it. The new OST is very refreshing.

[teelotes]

who the heck are you, Kyon!? :p
anyway... if you read the novels, Kyon mentioned something similar...
No, I haven't read the novels. Now I'm too scared to read them. :heh:

[Rice_slayer]

The one on Mininova(torrent site) is legit, I will watch it but will DL better subs later

[teelotes]

Btw, Live-Evil & Dattebayo have subbed this... dunno if any downloads have been complete yet though.

I think that's Episode 1. (Ah, my mistake. So they're referring to this as Episode 1. Numbering systems drive me crazy.)

Off-topic: Random thought, I'm sure someone has probably already mentioned this though...
I'm GUESSING Lucky Star will be eligible for Saimoe2009 (via the OVA). If we're not gonna be getting anymore Lucky Star anime, then this means that this year will be the only year where the Lucky Star cast and Haruhi case can be in the same Saimoe tournament... lol its gonna be mayhem, can't wait:heh:

Lucky Star vs Clannad vs K-On vs Haruhi. Hmm.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Lucky Star vs Clannad vs K-On vs Lucky Star. Hmm.

Err... I'm assuming one of those Lucky Stars is supposed to be Haruhi :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

No, I haven't read the novels. Now I'm too scared to read them. :heh:

They're too great to not read. You should read them.

Support Yen Press and Little, Brown by buying the books when they come out, also.

I think that's Episode 1. (Ah, my mistake. So they're referring to this as Episode 1. Numbering systems drive me crazy.)

This is Episode 8 of the new season.

Can't wait until the [Yuki] fansubs come out, if ever.


Lucky Star vs Clannad vs K-On vs Lucky Star. Hmm.

Mio has already won, unfortunately.

[Bri]

Grabbed the subbed [mazui] version. Well the subs made things a lot more clear and more enjoayable. My understanding of Japanese is really not good enough yet to figure out the full drift of an episode.

[teelotes]

Err... I'm assuming one of those Lucky Stars is supposed to be Haruhi :heh:
Thanks, my Konarithis was acting up. :p

[Edgewalker]

Are we considering this licensed or not ?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Are we considering this licensed or not ?

From what I've seen, yes. It's considered licensed.

[panzerfan]

Not I think. There is no announcement of a deal to secure the addendum to the original episodes yet...

[Game8910]

Mio has already won, unfortunately.

after this season nagato is the only one with enough power to stop Mio

[Proto]

However wins its KyoAni win, so we all win, but this is the ep01 thread guys.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yes, I find it funny that no one here is talking about the actual content of the episode.

Are we allowed to do that now?

[C.A.]

There's not too much to discuss for those who already read the novels, instead animation and design are the more common topics around.

[yezhanquan]

Why fight? A K-On/Haruhi crossover. Battle of the bands...

[Kaisos Erranon]

Sigh.

Anyway.

I always interpreted Haruhi's behavior in this episode as sort of a clumsy way of trying to make friends. It's kind of cute, almost, and foreshadows her later reasons for doing things with the brigade.

[Vexx]

Been a few false subs thrown out there.... methinks I'll wait for a fansub I have some confidence in...

[bkg9990]

Been waiting for this for 3 years. 3 YEARS! :D

[Ashlotte]

I never really considered myself a huge haruhi fan compared to others, but damn if I'm not fired up after watching that episode.

I think it was mostly from getting to hear Sugita's epic Kyon once more... :p

*edit*

Vexx might wanna give Mazui's release a try...The video quality is so-so, but the translation felt solid.

[BookOfMages]

Mazui released a fansub, not sure if it's real, however I think it is. 8U

Edit:


On another note,
Nagato shouldn't age, but I felt a small hint of maturity 3 years later. Or is it my imagination?


No, it's real. Although Nagato is stuffed with knowledge, the 3 years have made her mature in the field of more...experience. Like how in the beginning Nagato didn't know much about using a computer, then a few days later she became an elite hacker. She's developing more human like traits as time passes by.

[General_Asakura]

there is something that caught my attention in this ep.

the thing about sliders.

little haruhi asked kyon if aliens existed
and he says "why not?".
and she asks then about time travelers
and kyon answers "their existence woudn't suprise me"
espers, "they're all over the place"
when Haruhi asks about sliders kyon says "I haven't met one of those yet"

is it possible that kyons comment about sliders made haruhi not believe in those, but all the others? as an anime-only follower i havent seen them anywhere either.

thought please

[teelotes]

Sigh.

Anyway.

I always interpreted Haruhi's behavior in this episode as sort of a clumsy way of trying to make friends. It's kind of cute, almost, and foreshadows her later reasons for doing things with the brigade.
Clumsy is when you do something different from the world, and it doesn't go well with the rest. In this case, it's the rest of the people being clumsy, not her.

[C.A.]

there is something that caught my attention in this ep.

the thing about sliders.

little haruhi asked kyon if aliens existed
and he says "why not?".
and she asks then about time travelers
and kyon answers "their existence woudn't suprise me"
espers, "they're all over the place"
when Haruhi asks about sliders kyon says "I haven't met one of those yet"

is it possible that kyons comment about sliders made haruhi not believe in those, but all the others? as an anime-only follower i havent seen them anywhere either.

thought pleaseYes, you can say that Kyon directly affected Haruhi in such a way.

Haruhi very likely followed everything of Kyon, even taking note of the school he came from, so that she could go to the school in hope of meeting him or the supernatural.

[teelotes]

there is something that caught my attention in this ep.

the thing about sliders.

little haruhi asked kyon if aliens existed
and he says "why not?".
and she asks then about time travelers
and kyon answers "their existence woudn't suprise me"
espers, "they're all over the place"
when Haruhi asks about sliders kyon says "I haven't met one of those yet"

is it possible that kyons comment about sliders made haruhi not believe in those, but all the others? as an anime-only follower i havent seen them anywhere either.

thought please
Actually,

I would want to know what is a slider.

[Game8910]

another thing for your attention then...

on ep 1 (season 1 chrono order) haruhi asks Kyon if she met him before....well now you know why

[Kaisos Erranon]

there is something that caught my attention in this ep.

the thing about sliders.

little haruhi asked kyon if aliens existed
and he says "why not?".
and she asks then about time travelers
and kyon answers "their existence woudn't suprise me"
espers, "they're all over the place"
when Haruhi asks about sliders kyon says "I haven't met one of those yet"

is it possible that kyons comment about sliders made haruhi not believe in those, but all the others? as an anime-only follower i havent seen them anywhere either.

thought please

Should note that the whole "three years ago" event took place around early April, so this is after her powers activate and she changes the world.

She already believes in sliders, but John's Kyon's comment may be the reason why none have joined as of yet.

[BookOfMages]

there is something that caught my attention in this ep.

the thing about sliders.

little haruhi asked kyon if aliens existed
and he says "why not?".
and she asks then about time travelers
and kyon answers "their existence woudn't suprise me"
espers, "they're all over the place"
when Haruhi asks about sliders kyon says "I haven't met one of those yet"

is it possible that kyons comment about sliders made haruhi not believe in those, but all the others? as an anime-only follower i havent seen them anywhere either.

thought please


Well he DID say "I haven't met one of those yet" so if it did have an affect on Haruhi. When she first showed up and said her first quote, she might've not included Sliders since no one gave the possibility of their existence. However, it doesn't mean she doesn't believe in them, it probably just means she needs to hear more about them from a certain John Smith.

[teelotes]

Yes, you can say that Kyon directly affected Haruhi in such a way.

Haruhi very likely followed everything of Kyon, even taking note of the school he came from, so that she could go to the school in hope of meeting him or the supernatural.
If A follows B, it does not neccesarily mean B causes A.

[C.A.]

Actually,

I would want to know what is a slider.A slider is a visitor from a parallel world or universe.

[teelotes]

Should note that the whole "three years ago" event took place around early April, so this is after her powers activate and she changes the world.

She already believes in sliders, but John's Kyon's comment may be the reason why none have joined as of yet.
It's interesting how

Kyon comments that the King is not important, when he doesn't realise who's the King.



A slider is a visitor from a parallel world or universe.
How's that different from a time traveller?

[MeoTwister5]

I was going and looking around and the internet is exploding all over the place.

Jeebus Christ.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well he DID say "I haven't met one of those yet" so if it did have an affect on Haruhi. When she first showed up and said her first quote, she might've not included Sliders since no one gave the possibility of their existence. However, it doesn't mean she doesn't believe in them, it probably just means she needs to hear more about them from a certain John Smith.

She DID mention sliders in her first quote, actually.


Haruhi very likely followed everything of Kyon, even taking note of the school he came from, so that she could go to the school in hope of meeting him or the supernatural.

John. Not Kyon. John.

Actually,

I would want to know what is a slider.

A slider is someone with the ability to cross dimensions. The actual word used is "isekaijin", which means something like "person from another world".

Practically all English-language versions use "slider" simply because it's an easy-to-say word and is also a reference to a 90's TV show.


How's that different from a time traveller?

A time traveler is from a different time. A slider is from a different UNIVERSE altogether.

Remember that time is completely linear in Haruhi, as well.

[Game8910]

well in a way

Kyon is already the slider because he did travel between "worlds" on novel 4

[teelotes]

A slider is someone with the ability to cross dimensions. The actual word used is "isekaijin", which means something like "person from another world".

Practically all English-language versions use "slider" simply because it's an easy-to-say word and is also a reference to a 90's TV show.



A time traveler is from a different time. A slider is from a different UNIVERSE altogether.

Remember that time is completely linear in Haruhi, as well.

I don't get the part where you say time is completely linear. Does that mean when they time travel, they always stay in the same time plane? From what I understand, most time travel would throw you into an alternative universe, rather than the one you're in.

[Ashlotte]

It's interesting how

Kyon comments that the King is not important, when he doesn't realise who's the King.




How's that different from a time traveller?

Think of sliders as traversing a horizontal axis while time travelers are on the lateral. Basically Time travel entails moving backwards and forwards along a single rail while sliders move across one into differentt worlds, but not different times.

Atleast thats how I see it. :p

[C.A.]

A time traveler is from a different time. A slider is from a different UNIVERSE altogether.

Remember that time is completely linear in Haruhi, as well.Since you're correcting me on John Smith, I'll correct you on parallel universes (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2398316&postcount=2586).

And a full page on time travel in Haruhi (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26413&page=131).

[Rice_slayer]

Slider may occur later on in the story, will say no more to avoid non-novel readers. I watched the episode. Art style is defiantly different(I have been re-watching the series at school when Im bored) and it seems more moe-induced style. I was hoping for a more Kanon/Clannad art style but it's a mix of that and K-On! art. Story was good, I heard the name John Smith and that brought memories back. Adult Mikuru will be seen again soon :P. I give it a 10/10, mainly because we FINALLY get a new ep and it was done good. There really was an OP, so Im about 80% sure we WILL get a new OP when disappearance airs. New ED is pretty good :).

[Dakota]

Actually,

I would want to know what is a slider.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Sliders2.JPG




Anyway, the new ED is grood. I like the epilepsy part.

[Kaisos Erranon]

well in a way

Kyon is already the slider because he did travel between "worlds" on novel 4

Same basic universe. Different versions. A bit different.

Besides
Vol. 9 contains what is probably a slider. Probably.

I don't get the part where you say time is completely linear. Does that mean when they time travel, they always stay in the same time plane? From what I understand, most time travel would throw you into an alternative universe, rather than the one you're in.

Not in Haruhi.

Time is unchangeable and perfectly linear. Time travel does not throw you into an alternate universe.

[yezhanquan]

I don't get the part where you say time is completely linear. Does that mean when they time travel, they always stay in the same time plane? From what I understand, most time travel would throw you into an alternative universe, rather than the one you're in.

I mean what he means is that in the Haruhi universe, time is linear.

[Solachinx]

well in a way

Kyon is already the slider because he did travel between "worlds" on novel 4

And, if you want to get technical, in Melancholy when he was trapped in that Closed Space with Haruhi.

[Game8910]

Think of sliders as traversing a horizontal axis while time travelers are on the lateral. Basically Time travel entails moving backwards and forwards along a single rail while sliders move across one into differentt worlds, but not different times.

Atleast thats how I see it. :p

yes but what im saying is Nagato pretty much changed the world on novel 4, and Kyon travalled to turned it back....meh sliders are complicated D;

[Game8910]

Besides
Vol. 9 contains what is probably a slider. Probably.
now that you mention it....maybe After seeing how novel 9 branches into 2 scenarios maybe the slider (Kyon?) will have to cross that dimension into the other one to fix something that might happen D: gah this story is a mindfuck

[Kaisos Erranon]

Think of sliders as traversing a horizontal axis while time travelers are on the lateral. Basically Time travel entails moving backwards and forwards along a single rail while sliders move across one into differentt worlds, but not different times.

Atleast thats how I see it. :p

Correct.

yes but what im saying is Nagato pretty much changed the world on novel 4, and Kyon travalled to turned it back....meh sliders are complicated D;

Sliders ORIGINATE from another universe. Kyon isn't technically a slider. That was pure time travel.

now that you mention it....maybe After seeing how novel 9 branches into 2 scenarios maybe the slider (Kyon?) will have to cross that dimension into the other one to fix something that might happen D: gah this story is a mindfuck

That girl who called Kyon on the phone, cutting of Sasaki in the Alphaverse? She's very probably the slider, seeing that she also shows up to the Brigade recruitment meeting later on.

[teelotes]

Since you're correcting me on John Smith, I'll correct you on parallel universes (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2398316&postcount=2586).

And a full page on time travel in Haruhi (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26413&page=131).
Quantization of energy has been observed by experiment, but quantization of time is just a hypothesis, like the multiverse. That's quite a daring conclusion you're making there from theory to hypothesis, any physicist might point out.

Still, it brings some order to the discussion we're having on time travel. So regarding dimensions and universes, how do they relate to sliders and time travellers? Who does what?

[Vexx]

It's interesting how

Kyon comments that the King is not important, when he doesn't realise who's the King.




How's that different from a time traveller?

Not much really... a slider slides *across* the multiverse of possibilities. A time traveler slides *through* time (but simply by existing in a time the traveler variates/branches that universe so there's still some "sliding").

To some extent the two sci-fi memes don't mesh well.

[Skullator]

Wow DB picked this up, unexpected.

[yezhanquan]

But, if the Haruhi universe has time in a linear fashion, how does one resolve the classic time paradox of going back in time to kill your father?

[MeoTwister5]

I heard /a/ just got destroyed.:eyespin:

[teelotes]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Sliders2.JPG




Anyway, the new ED is grood. I like the epilepsy part.
Oh, that does ring a bell.

But what about John Smith?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Still, it brings some order to the discussion we're having on time travel. So regarding dimensions and universes, how do they relate to sliders and time travellers? Who does what?

Well, my current theory is that other universes were created three years ago when Haruhi changed the universe.

In fact, that explosion of data could well have been her creating other universes.

Sliders would come from there.


Time travelers cannot normally change the past in Haruhi, they can only slide up and down along the timeline.

To change the past, you'd need to either be Haruhi, or using her powers somehow.

Here's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_principle) a good article for you to read that explains how time travel works in Haruhi.

[teelotes]

But, if the Haruhi universe has time in a linear fashion, how does one resolve the classic time paradox of going back in time to kill your father?
Maybe that is the role of Nagato's agency? An enforcement unit that prevents that from happening.

[yezhanquan]

So, time travel in Haruhi is like watching a show in a cinema. It seems real, but you can't interact with things.

[Kaisos Erranon]

But, if the Haruhi universe has time in a linear fashion, how does one resolve the classic time paradox of going back in time to kill your father?

You wouldn't be able to.

Contrived coincidences would conspire to prevent you from changing the past.

Or you simply wouldn't have the opportunity to do so.

Again, Novikov.


But what about John Smith?

HE ALREADY CHANGED THE PAST, LOL

Kinda. John Smith already happened when he went back in time there.

So, time travel in Haruhi is like watching a show in a cinema. It seems real, but you can't interact with things.

Wrong. Just that the things you interact with will have no impact on the timeline because you already interacted with them.

[yezhanquan]

Oh, ok. So, the interaction becomes meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Roger.

[Master Chibi]

I'm am absolute whore for time travel so I really enjoyed this episode.

It's good to have the cast back.

:)

[Kaisos Erranon]

Oh, ok. So, the interaction becomes meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Roger.

Again, wrong.

Your interactions do happen and they have meaning, but it won't matter to you because from the perspective of the universe, they already happened.

I'm am absolute whore for time travel so I really enjoyed this episode.

It's good to have the cast back.

:)

I agree.

Also, wait until they get to book 4. Or, if they ever do get there, book 7.

THERE's some fun temporal mechanics.

[MeoTwister5]

It would seem we need panzerfan in here to talk about Copenhagen Interpretations and whatnot, but for some reason I'm not akin to the idea of continuing our discussion of wave function collapse from the Clannad boards.:p

[teelotes]

Well, my current theory is that other universes were created three years ago when Haruhi changed the universe.

In fact, that explosion of data could well have been her creating other universes.

Sliders would come from there.


Time travelers cannot normally change the past in Haruhi, they can only slide up and down along the timeline.

To change the past, you'd need to either be Haruhi, or using her powers somehow.

Here's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_principle) a good article for you to read that explains how time travel works in Haruhi.
Would that mean Kyon's apparent effects on Haruhi are merely coincidences, rather than causes?

Since sliders do exist in later parts of the story, and as the discussion here shows, Kyon might turn out to be one, thus completing Haruhi's collection.

Coherent to the Wiki article provided, the actions of Mikuru (both young and mature) and Kyon seem restricted, or planned, when they were in the past. But then again, how much free will do we have in our everyday life?

[yezhanquan]

I know there's a reason why I avoided the series the first time round.

Maybe, I should have said "wouldn't matter" instead of "meaningless".

[PastPrime]

So, time travel in Haruhi is like watching a show in a cinema. It seems real, but you can't interact with things.

Not quite. Mikuru can't change things, or perhaps isn't allowed to change things, but she can have Kyon do it for her.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Would that mean Kyon's apparent effects on Haruhi are merely coincidences, rather than causes?

Er, not really.

He did cause her to go to North High in pursuit of John Smith... but he already did that.

I know it doesn't make much sense, but...


Coherent to the Wiki article provided, the actions of Mikuru (both young and mature) and Kyon seem restricted, or planned, when they were in the past. But then again, how much free will do we have in our everyday life?

None, which is the point.

Haruhi is the only person who can alter the timeline. Hence, Haruhi is the only person with free will.

Not quite. Mikuru can't change things, or perhaps isn't allowed to change things, but she can have Kyon do it for her.

Again. They're not changing anything. They're merely fulfilling what the timeline says they did.

[teelotes]

It would seem we need panzerfan in here to talk about Copenhagen Interpretations and whatnot, but for some reason I'm not akin to the idea of continuing our discussion of wave function collapse from the Clannad boards.:p
How did Clannad lead to wavefunctions? Once again, the entertainment industry sheds new light on how Physics can be done. :heh:

Dangos do remind me of bonding and anti-bonding orbitals though. :uhoh:

[yezhanquan]

If my limited knowledge of the series serves me well, there is an alternate dimension in Clannad.

[PastPrime]

Again. They're not changing anything. They're merely fulfilling what the timeline says they did.
My impression was that the time line was changing and she had to take Kyon to restore it. In every case it was Kyon, not her, who took the necessary actions to restore or insure the timeline.

[KyuuA4]

With the intention of editing into Wikipedia -- what is the official title to this second season?

Not quite. Mikuru can't change things, or perhaps isn't allowed to change things, but she can have Kyon do it for her.

Yes. She can be rather... manipulative. XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

My impression was that the time line was changing and she had to take Kyon to restore it. In every case it was Kyon, not her, who took the necessary actions to restore or insure the timeline.

Or, as Big Mikuru seems to suggest in Vol. 7, it's been preordained that Kyon would do these things, and so they, the time travelers, have to ensure that he does.

lol novikov

Also, Mikuru does help him do those things in Vol. 7.

With the intention of editing into Wikipedia -- what is the official title to this second season?

Just "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya".

Maybe "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2009"?

Haruhi '09 for short?

[Jiggy]

Watched and rewatched and this was a quiet episode--not just thematically, which of course it had to be, but also aurally. The first-season music was and still is very bold; just listen to the school days kind of theme that starts as Kyon is walking up the stairs, the shopping-mall-of-the-future kind of theme as Haruhi is explaining what the group is going to do, or the twisted-evil-artist kind of theme when Mikuru is telling Kyon where she wants to go.

But the new music all seemed rather reserved to me, which makes it a little uncharacteristic of Haruhi (as a series). It's not like everything needs to be bombastic, but compare the sporadic bleeps and light drum beats of Yuki's new theme--almost background noise, really--to her very spacey theme from when she explained who she was to Kyon in the first season. That one was very quiet, but had some mini-melodies running all throughout to call attention to itself. Mikuru's new theme is also even more ambient than her old theme from explaining time travel. And take that one timpani-pounding, trumpet-blaring first season theme that really conveyed Haruhi being the overlord to her peons, albeit a very strange one; in contrast to that, I'd say the music when Kyon is drawing in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody sounds much more "normal" to me, for lack of a better term. Which, again, feels out of place to me considering that the scene going on was anything but normal.

Maybe there are better themes ahead--it's not like the first season didn't have some background music I'd consider throwaway--but for now I'm not really feeling it. A little disappointing considering the soundtrack was easily one of my favorite things about the first fourteen episodes. (Just referring to background music. I think I like Tomare more than Hare Hare Yukai already!) There were also a ton of moments with no music, which can be great in some series during emotional moments, but that wasn't the point of this episode, so eh...


Anyway, the new music is my only real complaint. 8/10.

[teelotes]

Speaking about numbering and naming schemes, wouldn't it be more appropriate to drop the "Episode 1" phrase in the title of this thread?

Moreover, will there will be new threads created for all subsequent episodes, or just for those with new content?

In any case, AniDB puts it well by categorising this 2009 season as the Full story.

[MrSelfDestruct]

Anyone here by chance watch the american show LOST? They recently dealt with time travel and used the same ideals. Whatever happened, happened.

Let's say I have a broken leg. I have this broken leg because someone hit me with a car. 5 years from now I go back in time and get into a car accident and wind up breaking the younger me's leg. Thus, I broke my own leg. But that is what always happened. So it's really like a "you can't change the past" type of thing because whatever you did in the past already happened in the present because you did it. I always break my leg.

[magnum]

OMG! Did Dattebayo release their own sub for this series?

I find it it on tokyotosho.

[Jintor]

Nagato's music I thought was ace. Really spooky, althougha addmittedly not as synth'd as her original Explaination music.

[Vexx]

But, if the Haruhi universe has time in a linear fashion, how does one resolve the classic time paradox of going back in time to kill your father?
It doesn't have time in a "linear" fashion, it branches all the time in the multiverse. There is no "time paradox" in killing your father .... you're now an event in that time line which no longer includes you being born. You were born in the time line next door in which your father wasn't killed. :) Isn't this fun?

In "Thrice Apon a Time" the "linear" part was that the time paradox was that information sent back in time altered the events then - eliminating the time line that sent the information. They treated it like a wave function where many universes were possible but sending information back in time collapsed any branches that didn't have that data arrive (especially the one that sent it back).

All the team is trying to do in the Haruhi universe is stop the discontinuous fractures to the time lines that Haruhi is producing -- it doesn't really seem to address parts of the multiverse that exists farther away (many of which may have no Haruhi). I also imagine its possible Haruhi has borked the whole forking process but that's beyond the scope of the story. We're following THIS little band of people as they try to manage the impact to the universe they're emotionally attached to.

Its a fun little sci-fi fantasy with appealing elements but it really doesn't pay to look too carefully behind the curtain.

[teelotes]

OMG! Did Dattebayo release their own sub for this series?

I find it it on tokyotosho.
I don't know which is more of a surprise:

1. Db picked this up.
2. L-E picked this up.

I don't watch Db rls, but I'm surprised L-E picked this up.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It doesn't have time in a "linear" fashion, it branches all the time in the multiverse. There is no "time paradox" in killing your father .... you're now an event in that time line which no longer includes you being born. You were born in the time line next door in which your father wasn't killed. :) Isn't this fun?

Time travel in Haruhi appears to be almost totally linear, at least from Kyon's perspective, though.

[Roger Rambo]

Am I the only one who's seriously amused by how flippantly Loli Haruhi just walked away after getting done with Kyon? I found it hilarious.

Though I get the feeling from Haruhi's slump thinking about her past memories and what we heard from alternate Haruhi in disappearance, that she might have regretted walking off so casually.
But, if the Haruhi universe has time in a linear fashion, how does one resolve the classic time paradox of going back in time to kill your father?My understanding of what the egg heads think about time travel currently, to put it in layman's terms, is that you're not actually in your past when you time travel. You're in an alternate dimension that's identical to what your past would have been like. Any changes made would be equivalent to mucking up an alternate reality.

Of course this is beyond the point, since Haruhi uses more conventional time travel.

[Endless Twilight]

Great episode that embodied everything that makes Haruhi so good. A shame that the next new one is going to take a while to come out now.

[MrSelfDestruct]

Or, you can't kill your father in the past. Since your father still has to have you, he can't die. You could think you are going to go kill your father, but I assure you something will come up and you won't get a chance to do it.

I don't go for the whole "alternate past" thing. I think it's linear.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Or, you can't kill your father in the past. Since your father still has to have you, he can't die. You could think you are going to go kill your father, but I assure you something will come up and you won't get a chance to do it.

I don't go for the whole "alternate past" thing. I think it's linear.

In Haruhi, it's linear. In real life, it's probably the whole alternate timelines thing.

[khryoleoz]

Kyon responds to Mikuru in the exact same way I do. Man, Mikuru is as lovable as ever.

[Vexx]

Time travel in Haruhi appears to be almost totally linear, at least from Kyon's perspective, though.

Actually you've made quite a good point. Telling the story from Kyon's perspective is the ONLY way to tell the story without going completely nuts. Picking one conscious point of view that is relatively continuous. Something akin to the main character in Slaughterhouse Five by Vonnegut.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Actually you've made quite a good point. Telling the story from Kyon's perspective is the ONLY way to tell the story without going completely nuts. Picking one conscious point of view that is relatively continuous. Something akin to the main character in Slaughterhouse Five by Vonnegut.

I've heard of that. Should probably pick it up someday.

[Roger Rambo]

Or, you can't kill your father in the past. Since your father still has to have you, he can't die. You could think you are going to go kill your father, but I assure you something will come up and you won't get a chance to do it.
Which brings up some pretty amusing logical constraints. By this understanding of time travel, even if you have a device capable of transmitting 115,000 tons of matter into the past and decided to drop a giant stone monolith on the outskirts of las vegas, even though such an act should be theoretically possible, you'd fail every time you attempted to do it.

Take this for example. I could create a religious order that centered entirely around organizing a mass time travel exodus to the site of the JFK assassination where everyone dressed in chicken suits. I could convince 100,000 people to do this and give each of them a personal time travel device and have them all agree to warp the JFK assassination at one time. Stopping it won't even be our goal. We'll just stand around in plane sight by the thousands, wearing chicken suits while JFK gets shot.

According to predestined time travel logic, every single one of those 100,000 attempts to go into the past will fail. It's insane.

I don't go for the whole "alternate past" thing. I think it's linear.
It's bassically going to an alternate dimension where instead of the Nazi's conquering America, it's, for example, 1976.

[MrSelfDestruct]

In Haruhi, it's linear. In real life, it's probably the whole alternate timelines thing.

Yeah, I was referring to in Haruhi. I made a post on the last page about it as well. There are a lot of stories out there that use time travel like this.

I'm not so sure it wouldn't be like this in real life though. Than I again, I think time travel is impossible in real life so it doesn't matter. Real life sucks.

[Roger Rambo]

I'm not so sure it wouldn't be like this in real life though.
Just repeating my vague recollection of what scientific types had to say on the matter.

[Kaisos Erranon]

According to predestined time travel logic, every single one of those 100,000 attempts to go into the past will fail. It's insane.

No, not that.

Just that your actions will have no effect on the eventual outcome.

Or you'll somehow be unable to complete your experiment.

Or the time machine will just explode on a small off-chance, killing you with it.

Probably the latter.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

To put it a simpler way: You won't. Because you didn't. Time travel's funny that way.

[MrSelfDestruct]

Yeah, it's not that your attempts to go back in time and wear a chicken suit is impossible. There is no force that will push you away from the site because it didn't happen. It's just that it didn't happen. If you make it your life goal to do something that didn't happen, then you are going to fail. Not because it's impossible to do it, but because something else is already set to happen that prevented you from doing it.

Like you getting shot and killed during a robbery the morning before you go back in time in a chicken suit. If you had gone back in time in a chicken suit, it would have already happened.

[Roger Rambo]

Just that your actions will have no effect on the eventual outcome.

Which is impossible assuming I manage to get 100 people in chicken suits to mysteriously appear out of nowhere moments before JFK gets assassinated. Merely doing a successful time warp effectively changes history beyond what can be explained away.

Or you'll somehow be unable to complete your experiment.
/QUOTE]You'll be unable to complete the experiment if you tried doing it 5,421,149,017 times.
[QUOTE=Kaisos Erranon;2409738]
Or the time machine will just explode on a small off-chance, killing you with it.EXACTLY

"The act of traveling through time with the intent to change the past will cause you to explode."


Like you getting shot and killed during a robbery the morning before you go back in time in a chicken suit. If you had gone back in time in a chicken suit, it would have already happened.
Imagine if you tricked the evil aliens into transporting their home planet into the Earth Solar system during the 1930's so that they could easily conquer us due to their superior technology. But that would create a time paradox. So their entire planet explodes.

-Develop time travel
-let mock plans to use time travel to destroy your enemies, to your enemies
-Let enemies steal plans for time travel
-Let enemies blow themselves up trying to use time travel to beat you

EPIC WIN!

[Kaisos Erranon]

EXACTLY

"The act of traveling through time with the intent to change the past will cause you to explode."

The universe does not take lightly to people trying to cause paradoxes.

She's a bitch that way.

[MrSelfDestruct]

Imagine if you tricked the evil aliens into transporting their home planet into the Earth Solar system during the 1930's so that they could easily conquer us due to their superior technology. But that would create a time paradox. So their entire planet explodes.


Except that can't happen because it didn't happen. I think you are forgetting the main focus of this theory and it's use in things like Haruhi.

It won't cause anything to explode. A time paradox is IMPOSSIBLE. Whatever happened in the past is set in stone. If you go back to change something, you ALWAYS went back and changed something so you changed nothing since your change is set in stone.

You getting shot before you go back in time is not the universe preventing any paradox, it's just something that happened.

[Tunafishisgood]

o_O new ending is good and all but it gives me a seizure.

Otherwise, it was good episode despite the art style that looked like the mix between K-on and Clannad, It stuck with the storyline nicely.
9/10

[OkamiNoKaze]

Great to see Haruhi return, glad I didn't have to wait nearly as long as some of you.

Although the changes in art are noticeably, I didn't find it all that distracting. I just read this story on the translated novel site, and I'm particularly surprised how close my mental image and the show was. I also liked how fast the traveling was done, both times, he just barely closed his eyes, though Yuki's version was just a bit faster. The new ending song is pretty cool, someone mentioned clues to disappearance in the ED, I must be slow, I didn't catch them, except the flashing, I gave this episode a 10

[Roger Rambo]

It won't cause anything to explode. A time paradox is IMPOSSIBLE. Whatever happened in the past is set in stone. If you go back to change something, you ALWAYS went back and changed something so you changed nothing since your change is set in stone.
Except you run into the problem in that there is no rational way for 100,000 people dressed in chicken suits magically appearing out of thin air in the middle of the presidential motorcade to actually cause the JFK assassination to go off as it did historically. Therefore the 100,000 men in chicken suits can never possibly get transported to the JFK assassination.


You getting shot before you go back in time is not the universe preventing any paradox, it's just something that happened.
But there are 100,000 of you trying to do it. That's 100,000 individual attempts to warp into the past that all fail independently of each other.

Also, getting shots is also in terms of probability just likely as your time machine oddly malfunctioning, causing you to explode.

[MrSelfDestruct]

There may be no logical way to explain 100,000 people showing up there, but if they did then they did. It would be a mystery but there is nothing stopping you from doing it. However, the fact is that you did not. You CANNOT change the past. That is what this theory is all about. What you do in the past is already determined. The solution to your problem is something prevents it from happening, yes.

If it makes it easier, you get shot to death before you gather the 100,000 people and give them the device. The point is that since those 100,000 people were not there, they will never be there. It's got nothing to do with paradoxes or alternate universes, or anything like that. It just simply never happened.

[KyuuA4]

Not quite. Mikuru can't change things, or perhaps isn't allowed to change things, but she can have Kyon do it for her.

Except that can't happen because it didn't happen. I think you are forgetting the main focus of this theory and it's use in things like Haruhi.

It won't cause anything to explode. A time paradox is IMPOSSIBLE. Whatever happened in the past is set in stone. If you go back to change something, you ALWAYS went back and changed something so you changed nothing since your change is set in stone.

You getting shot before you go back in time is not the universe preventing any paradox, it's just something that happened.

Indeed. It's a common misperception that traveling back in time implies... altering it -- when in fact -- it was a "future" event that led characters to travel back in time in the first place.

For this case -- I am amused that young Haruhi DID not remember Kyon later on when they did met officially for the first time.

[Roger Rambo]

There may be no logical way to explain 100,000 people showing up there, but if they did then they did. It would be a mystery but there is nothing stopping you from doing it. However, the fact is that you did not. You CANNOT change the past. That is what this theory is all about. What you do in the past is already determined. The solution to your problem is something prevents it from happening, yes.
And thus, 100,000 people trying to go into the past to do what I outlined would all die of mysterious circumstances before they could get transmitted.

You could have planets trying to go back in time when they "didn't" having all it's inhabitants simultaneously dying of unrelated freak accidents.


If it makes it easier, you get shot to death before you gather the 100,000 people and give them the device. The point is that since those 100,000 people were not there, they will never be there. It's got nothing to do with paradoxes or alternate universes, or anything like that. It just simply never happened.If we go with this view, it's quite probable that time travel would never be invented. Because it being invented would mean all this crazy shit would happen. But it didn't. Thus any person who could invent time travel will die in a freak accident before they reach adulthood.

The principle is the same. Except now it seems that the universe preserves casualty with a scalpel rather than a hammer.

Indeed. It's a common misperception that traveling back in time implies... altering it -- when in fact -- it was a "future" event that led characters to travel back in time in the first place.
The problem is that some acts you could potentially commit with a time machine are irreconcilable with the history of what happened (such as sending a 115 story monolith back to 1880 new york). Therefore anyone who could ever try to do this will

A: Die long before he could ever think the crazy stunt up
B: Have his machine blow him up right before the time warp

[ondivate]

Something really bothers me about the chess part.


http://i44.tinypic.com/3t1lk.jpg
The colors changed. Very consistently, might I add.


edit: So mistakes are actually common. I didn't know, or at least didn't expect it from KyoAni.
edit2: Changed pic to give more info.

[Kaioshin Sama]

However wins its KyoAni win, so we all win, but this is the ep01 thread guys.

Dont take this the wrong way but.......what is that even supposed to mean? :heh:

Wow so I've gotta say, I'm actually surprised at the lack of discussion on the episode so far. I thought people would have been going crazy running over everything that took place in it, but surprisingly not so much. I don't know what else to say. Guess in the long wrong people didn't feel enough happened to warrant a lengthy discussion. Then again maybe it's me just being used to the rapid fire nature of the Gundam Forum discussion after an episode of 00 aired.

Yes though, it seems people are digging the strobe light effect that is the ending sequence. I thought they had strict broadcasting rules about that sort of thing in Japan now, but maybe that's just something Nintendo imposed on itself after the Pocket Monsters incident.

Something really bothers me about the chess part.


http://i43.tinypic.com/otho3s.jpg
the colors change.




Oh dear....are we going to be having another hyper analysis like with Code Geass' Schneizel vs. Lelouch chess match now. Although in that case the illegal mate was deliberate and a mind game, here it looks like a bonafide animation flub.

What happened to Kyoani's supposedly impeccable attention to detail though. I mean honestly I never really bought it, but come on, it's the opposite end of the colour spectrum. This is just a really silly mistake to make especially since this is more or less their unnofficial flagship franchise and they have a sort of reputation attributed to them to maintain. You would think they'd take extra special care in this case. It's small potatoes really but I can only imagine what kind of a field day 2ch might be having with this.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

There were a lot of mistakes in the original airings of the first season. That's no different.

[Kaisos Erranon]

For this case -- I am amused that young Haruhi DID not remember Kyon later on when they did met officially for the first time.

Well, it was dark, and he was already a first-year student at North High. There's no way Kyon, a freshman in her year, could be her John Smith.

Despite this, she does recognize him. Remember her "Have we met before"?

Also, it's pretty easy to forget the face and voice of someone you met in the dark on one random night three years back.


Wow so I've gotta say, I'm actually surprised at the lack of discussion on the episode so far. I thought people would have been going crazy running over everything that took place in it, but surprisingly not so much. I don't know what else to say. Guess in the long wrong people didn't feel enough happened to warrant a lengthy discussion. Then again maybe it's me just being used to the rapid fire nature of the Gundam Forum discussion after an episode of 00 aired.

Most people here have read the novels already.

There were a lot of mistakes in the original airings of the first season. That's no different.

Same with any anime. That's what DVDs are for.

[Roger Rambo]

Well, it was dark, and he was already a first-year student at North High. There's no way Kyon, a freshman in her year, could be her John Smith.Also, Kyon seems to have an entirely different attitude about the supernatural than what "Jonu Smisu" seemed to have.

[KyuuA4]

There were a lot of mistakes in the original airings of the first season. That's no different.

Unless it was deliberate -- to really mess with people's heads. XD

[arcticphoenix16]

Well, it was dark, and he was already a first-year student at North High. There's no way Kyon, a freshman in her year, could be her John Smith.

Despite this, she does recognize him. Remember her "Have we met before"?

Also, it's pretty easy to forget the face and voice of someone you met in the dark on one random night three years back.
Kaisos is correct. Why would she say something like "Have we met before" to a complete stranger in episode 1? She obviously recognizes him, but logic tells her no because there's no way someone as awesome as John Smith would stay in the same grade for three years :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Also, Kyon seems to have an entirely different attitude about the supernatural than what "Jonu Smisu" seemed to have.

He STILL hasn't told her that he used to have the same dreams he has.

And it's "Jon Sumisu", I believe. "N" can end words just fine.

[KyuuA4]

Kaisos is correct. Why would she say something like "Have we met before" to a complete stranger in episode 1? She obviously recognizes him, but logic tells her no because there's no way someone as awesome as John Smith would stay in the same grade for three years :heh:

I love it -- I'm being compelled to go back to the first season to see these kinds of references.

XD

NOTE: The plant Haruhi brings in. See Days of Sagittarrius.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Also, Kyon seems to have an entirely different attitude about the supernatural than what "Jonu Smisu" seemed to have.

Kyon's attitude initially. While he still tries to talk Haruhi out of searching for the stuff, he's more or less mellowed out by BLR. Which makes it another reason I think Haruhi's just pretending to be unaware of everything going on around her. :heh:

[orangejuicetang]

I really enjoyed the king and the queen convo near the end, which notes that it is in fact the queen not the king that has all the power.

[KyuuA4]

I really enjoyed the king and the queen convo near the end, which notes that it is in fact the queen not the king that has all the power.

That means... Poor Kyon... XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

She obviously recognizes him, but logic tells her no because there's no way someone as awesome as John Smith would stay in the same grade for three years :heh:

And this is why she's so open with him, thus giving Kyon the opportunity to suggest that she make the SOS Brigade...

And this is also why she begins to develop a crush on him, creating the situation at the end of Melancholy, and...

See, everything is Kyon's fault. I wouldn't be surprised if he caused the Three Years Ago event too.


NOTE: The plant Haruhi brings in. See Days of Sagittarrius.

Someday in the Rain as well. The camera zooms over all the things they've collected and done in the past year.

Fitting since the arc directly after that is going to be the WHAM arc.

I really enjoyed the king and the queen convo near the end, which notes that it is in fact the queen not the king that has all the power.

YAY VOL. 4

[MrSelfDestruct]

And thus, 100,000 people trying to go into the past to do what I outlined would all die of mysterious circumstances before they could get transmitted.

You could have planets trying to go back in time when they "didn't" having all it's inhabitants simultaneously dying of unrelated freak accidents.

If we go with this view, it's quite probable that time travel would never be invented. Because it being invented would mean all this crazy shit would happen. But it didn't. Thus any person who could invent time travel will die in a freak accident before they reach adulthood.

I highly doubt all 100,000 people randomly die. It's more logical to think that you die before you ever give them the device. Or you never get to gather 100,000 people. Or you do gather 100,000 people but there is a mess-up with the time device and you all get sent to the North Pole instead of the place you want to be. It doesn't matter how it happens, it just matters that something prevents you for going through with your plan. Not because something is trying to prevent you, but because you just never got to go through with your plan.

Your thing about planets going back in time makes no sense to me. You lost me there. I'm pretty sure that in this theory, and most theories, they can't do that.

Yeah, odds are that time travel is never invented. Or, since we ARE talking about Haruhi here, there is an organization of people in the future that regulate it. They are forbidden to change things because they never happened. Not that Mikuru couldn't randomly kill everyone and kidnap Kyon, it's just that she doesn't. The rules she follows do prevent her from directly changing things and stuff, but only in the same way that the rules we follow prevent us from committing horrible acts of violence on random people in public with no consequences.

The idea behind this theory is that the past has already happened. Anybody who goes back into the past to change something has already changed the past in the present because it was the past for us. Again you could go back to my broken leg example.

That is just the way this theory is, and it seems to be the rules that Haruhi follows. Haruhi is not the only thing to use this. Again, I mention LOST since it was pretty recent. It's one of the more popular theories, I think.

[Bonta Kun]

ASAHINA-SWWWAAAANN!!!

oh how I've missed you!

your as super cute as always!:love::love::love:

ep was pretty good it being Haruhi n' all but not great, altho I'm just gonna rate it a high 10 cause of my lovely Asahina-swan!

[Justin Kim]

Just a question, do the original characters look older now for the new season?

[KyuuA4]

Well, it was dark, and he was already a first-year student at North High. There's no way Kyon, a freshman in her year, could be her John Smith.

Despite this, she does recognize him. Remember her "Have we met before"?

Also, it's pretty easy to forget the face and voice of someone you met in the dark on one random night three years back.

Most people here have read the novels already.

Ah yes. The novels. Sadly, I haven't gotten around to that. Eventually, I suppose.

But yes. Going back to the first season -- suddenly, these episodes look rather differently. :D

It's a pitty that Asakura is already... still gone.

Just a question, do the original characters look older now for the new season?


Naw. They look generally the same to me. Either that - or drawing styles differed a bit. After all, a good 3 years have passed. :D

[Kaisos Erranon]

Just a question, do the original characters look older now for the new season?

You obviously haven't been paying attention...

This episode is set directly after the baseball episode and before the episode with the cave cricket.


It's a pitty that Asakura is already... still gone.

You have no idea why that sentence is so funny.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

See, everything is Kyon's fault. I wouldn't be surprised if he caused the Three Years Ago event too.

I think Kyon's done enough screwing around with the timeline, don't you? :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

I think Kyon's done enough screwing around with the timeline, don't you? :heh:

You can never screw around with the timeline enough.

[teelotes]

You can never screw around with the timeline enough.
Time to screw the DVDs.

[DragoonKain3]

All this time travel talk assumes that failure automatically means death. Which isn't the case at all.

You could make up a cult with the purpose of sending 100,000 people to wear rubber chicken suits during the JFK assassination. But you know what? Even if time travel exists, you will fail one way or another. While it CAN be through accidental death, it does not necessarily mean it will be death that will the cause that prevents you from doing so. I mean, the entire notion of setting up a cult to send that much people back in time to do something stupid, is just absolutely ridiculous that you might not even get the cult to start IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Or against the evil alien going back to the 30's. If there are indeed evil aliens, I find it hard to believe you will be able to convince them to do such a stupid act. And if you did succeed, you will only be able to convince a handful of aliens to do so. And geee, I wonder when all these rumours of UFO sightings and talk about Area 51 doing expirements on aliens came from?

Just there exists limitless possibilities to do something in the past that has not been historitcally been shown not to happen, there are also limitless possiblities to stop you from doing so in the first place. Death just happens to be one of them, but it is not by all means limited to just that.


For this case -- I am amused that young Haruhi DID not remember Kyon later on when they did met officially for the first time.

Actually, she did remember somewhat. She did ask Kyon whether or not they met somewhere before in the first 'real' episode of Haruhi. It was just she used her 'normal' logic that John Smith and Kyon can't be possibly be the same person (maybe they just look the same, since it was dark back then), so she just shrugged it off.


Now that I think about it though... you know what will be really ironic? If Kyon's true name is really indeed John Smith. :heh:

[KyuuA4]

Actually, she did remember somewhat. She did ask Kyon whether or not they met somewhere before in the first 'real' episode of Haruhi. It was just she used her 'normal' logic that John Smith and Kyon can't be possibly be the same person (maybe they just look the same, since it was dark back then), so she just shrugged it off.


Now that I think about it though... you know what will be really ironic? If Kyon's true name is really indeed John Smith. :heh:

Yea. I just watched that scene on repeat to FEEL Haruhi's intense observation of Kyon. :eyespin::eyespin::eyespin:

And of Kyon's name happened to be John Smith... well... I'll pee in my pants. XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

Now that I think about it though... you know what will be really ironic? If Kyon's true name is really indeed John Smith. :heh:

It's not. Kyon never calls himself by his nickname (he hates it) so the entire cast must have heard his real name at some point.

And according to a later novel, it 'sounds regal' and is 'hard to write/pronounce'.

[Roger Rambo]

I highly doubt all 100,000 people randomly die. It's more logical to think that you die before you ever give them the device. Or you never get to gather 100,000 people. Or you do gather 100,000 people but there is a mess-up with the time device and you all get sent to the North Pole instead of the place you want to be. It doesn't matter how it happens, it just matters that something prevents you for going through with your plan. Not because something is trying to prevent you, but because you just never got to go through with your plan.
It's still the same thing working itself out in a slightly different way. We're still talking about past history happening due to series of statistical implausibilities in the present prevents time travelers from interfering with the past.

Your thing about planets going back in time makes no sense to me. You lost me there. I'm pretty sure that in this theory, and most theories, they can't do that.

A working time machine sends matter into the past or future. A planet is composed of ALLOT of matter. Ergo, there is no logical reason as to why you couldn't transport a planet into the past. The problem is that transporting a planet into the past is one of those things that would irrefutably and bluntly change history. Therefore any attempt to send a planet into the past when it didn't do that historically will result in the planet not sucessfully going into the past.

Such as the giant time machine you made to transport the planet malfunctioning, causing the planet to explode.

Yeah, odds are that time travel is never invented.
But if it is, it's quite probable that statistically implausible things will happen to people who attempt time travel in a way that would not allow their actions to accidentally cause history to proceed as it actually did.
Or, since we ARE talking about Haruhi here, there is an organization of people in the future that regulate it. They are forbidden to change things because they never happened. Not that Mikuru couldn't randomly kill everyone and kidnap Kyon, it's just that she doesn't. The rules she follows do prevent her from directly changing things and stuff, but only in the same way that the rules we follow prevent us from committing horrible acts of violence on random people in public with no consequences.

The idea behind this theory is that the past has already happened. Anybody who goes back into the past to change something has already changed the past in the present because it was the past for us. Again you could go back to my broken leg example.

That is just the way this theory is, and it seems to be the rules that Haruhi follows. Haruhi is not the only thing to use this. Again, I mention LOST since it was pretty recent. It's one of the more popular theories, I think.
An organization with the ability to regulate time travel with 100% efficiency(and doing it with less would mean the past wouldn't happen, but it did, so they've got to do their jobs perfectly) is just as crazy a phenomenon as people trying to change history exploding.

[Reckoner]

And this is why she's so open with him, thus giving Kyon the opportunity to suggest that she make the SOS Brigade...

And this is also why she begins to develop a crush on him, creating the situation at the end of Melancholy, and...

See, everything is Kyon's fault. I wouldn't be surprised if he caused the Three Years Ago event too.



Someday in the Rain as well. The camera zooms over all the things they've collected and done in the past year.

Fitting since the arc directly after that is going to be the WHAM arc.



YAY VOL. 4

Oh gawd, the Kyon theory! Actually I am a believer in the Kyon theory... So......................... :twitch: I still wonder if it is possible...

Volume 4 is definitely one of the best volumes in the Haruhi series. Can't wait to see it.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Oh gawd, the Kyon theory! Actually I am a believer in the Kyon theory... So......................... :twitch: I still wonder if it is possible...

Volume 4 is definitely one of the best volumes in the Haruhi series. Can't wait to see it.

What Kai was saying is more the "Kyon screwed things up for himself theory" than the usual "Kyon theory."

[orangejuicetang]

just out of curiosity, are you arguing about time travel insofar as it applies to this series, or the theory of time travel in general?

[Kaisos Erranon]

What Kai was saying is more the "Kyon screwed things up for himself theory" than the usual "Kyon theory."

Yes, that.

My theory is that Haruhi's powers are a closed time loop: That somehow at the end of the series Kyon winds up getting them, and he travels back in time to Three Years Ago and gives the powers to her, which would explain the hand-reaching-out scene in Bouken Desho Desho.

And then she changes the universe.

But that's just a crack theory.

just out of curiosity, are you arguing about time travel insofar as it applies to this series, or the theory of time travel in general?

I DONT KNOW

[Game8910]

This is why I was waiting for this season....the last season of haruhi could've NEVER sparked such awesome talk about time travel and paradoxes

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Yes, that.

My theory is that Haruhi's powers are a closed time loop: That somehow at the end of the series Kyon winds up getting them, and he travels back in time to Three Years Ago and gives the powers to her, which would explain the hand-reaching-out scene in Bouken Desho Desho.

And then she changes the universe.

But that's just a crack theory.

More CRACKish theory: See above, but Kyon goes back even further and ends up her father, rendering everything between them highly disturbing.

[KyuuA4]

This is why I was waiting for this season....the last season of haruhi could've NEVER sparked such awesome talk about time travel and paradoxes

Agreed. Instead, discussion focused more on Who Haruhi really is... Kyon's role... and the mystery behind the others of the Brigade.

[Kaisos Erranon]

More CRACKish theory: See above, but Kyon goes back even further and ends up her father, rendering everything between them highly disturbing.

That's one of those OOPS moments.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

That's one of those OOPS moments.

Well it'd be an example of him screwing around in the past, as well as further proving the point that everything is his fault.

[Game8910]

More CRACKish theory: See above, but Kyon goes back even further and ends up her father, rendering everything between them highly disturbing.
LMFAO :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well it'd be an example of him screwing around in the past, as well as further proving the point that everything is his fault.

Pretty sure even Haruhi would realize Kyon and her dad look similar.

[orangejuicetang]

For an even more crackish theory:
Somehow, while timetraveling, he is genderflipped and deaged to an infant, who is then adopted and named Suzumiya Haruhi.

[Kaisos Erranon]

For an even more crackish theory:
Somehow, while timetraveling, he is genderflipped and deaged to an infant, who is then adopted and named Suzumiya Haruhi.

Uhh... Huh. Well.

No.

[KyuuA4]

More CRACKish theory: See above, but Kyon goes back even further and ends up her father, rendering everything between them highly disturbing.

Hey! We already dealt with that messed up idea in Futurama. I don't want to something like it again. XD

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Hey! We already dealt with that messed up idea in Futurama. I don't want to something like it again. XD

Red Dwarf, actually. Close enough, though.

*e* Of course, that'd also require Haruhi to be her own mother...

[Game8910]

For an even more crackish theory:
Somehow, while timetraveling, he is genderflipped and deaged to an infant, who is then adopted and named Suzumiya Haruhi.

Tsubasa Chronicles is already giving me enough time travel crackhead scenarios of possible clones being parents of the person they got cloned from....keep it away from Haruhi D

[CrowKenobi]

For an even more crackish theory:
Somehow, while timetraveling, he is genderflipped and deaged to an infant, who is then adopted and named Suzumiya Haruhi Kyonko.There, that works much better! :D

:cool:

(must not forget the slide into another dimension, though!)

[orangejuicetang]

There, that works much better! :D

:cool:

Actually, true. I like this much better. This is now my official theory for the end of haruhi.