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Diablo III, I have heard some rumors that there will be one, but some people say its never gunna happen. Anyone have any dirt on this?
I don't see why they would. Diablo's gone, Mephisto's gone, Baal's gone....Who are they gonna use? Some random demon or evil wizard?
I don't see why they would. Diablo's gone, Mephisto's gone, Baal's gone....Who are they gonna use? Some random demon or evil wizard?
1. This is not anime related.
2. Diablo has had 2 official(and multiple unofficial) sequels, give it up already. Whacking stuff is fun, but it is only fun for so long.
1. This is not anime related.
2. Diablo has had 2 official(and multiple unofficial) sequels, give it up already. Whacking stuff is fun, but it is only fun for so long.
You're telling him to give it up, right, not to me? Cause I'm against the idea of a Diablo 3.
Now Starcraft 2 on the other hand :D
I don't see why they would. Diablo's gone, Mephisto's gone, Baal's gone....Who are they gonna use? Some random demon or evil wizard?
Remember there were 7 evils. 5 of them are gone (Andariel and Duriel were also major demons). But yeah, I don't see a point in the game though. Too boring ~_~ Maybe they should just make it a novel or something if they really have more material to cover.
Dark Zero
2004-02-26, 00:15
As much as I loved Diablo, I don't think there's much left to do, if anything worthwhile at all. Let alone, who else would the game's engine work? DiabloII was kinda iffy as is, I can't see many improvements for the games style. The more they try to re-do the style, the worse it gets. Now Fallout3 is a different story ;) Even then I don't think they can make a new one to be worthy of the fallout title.
brightman
2004-02-26, 10:20
If you guys are talking about the story, there's still PLENTY to do with it (obviously some people here haven't seen the Lord of Destruction ending...) Gameplay-wise though, no idea.
As for a sequel, I doubt there'll be one for another ten years, if ever, seeing as how Blizzard North is now crap after so many people left.
I am also against the idea, it was fun but would just become overated if a third was made. Plus the plot would be horrible because there isn't much story to follow Diablo II AND Diablo II expansion (also the storyline wasn't so great to begin with in these games). I just heard rumors and wondered if they were true.
To follow up your statement shinova, I think if a Star Craft 2 was made it would just become another warcraft 3 with a more futuristic storyline
To follow up your statement shinova, I think if a Star Craft 2 was made it would just become another warcraft 3 with a more futuristic storyline
Well, Starcraft 1 was basically Warcraft 2 with a more futuristic storyline too if you think about it. :D
D3 will come. just probably wait a long time.
if u watched the ending the Worldstone is gone. the last barrier that seperatates hell and santuary is gone. The soulstones only kill the mortal bodies that the 3 use for their time on earth. The 3 can't die. eventually they'll get another body and come back.
7thMethuselah
2004-02-29, 11:11
As long as Blizzard doesn't announce anything don't count on it. As far as I know they are very much into World of Warcraft now, there are rumors about a "secret project" currently under development but from what I've read and heard on their forums it's likely to be something completely new. Also the developers said they were kinda tired of Diablo for now, Even though it isn't unlikely diablo III will ever appear, it won't be for any day soon (especially considering that blizzard always announces game 1-2 years before release).
If you really want a new hack and slash game I recommend Sacred from Asceron entertainment, it's new and after playing the demo it looks very promising.
I)ark-I)eath
2004-02-29, 22:52
starcraft had better gamplay than warcraft to me...cause in starcraft the limit was 200 and in warcraft the limit was 90...defealt right? so starcraft can get more strategic elements......starcraft 2 is gonna be wicked.....they just gonna add to the original formula which is good....PROTOSS RULE!
Necrodeath
2004-03-01, 17:34
There's still a lot of story to tell after DII, in fact, DII:LoD had an open ending...
I could be wrong with the next thing, but the bosses you kill in the game are the living bodies, and the soulstones contain their soul, therefor if you destroy the soulstone, their souls fade away. This was the mistake at the ending of DI, and diablo's soul manifested itself in the adventurer that killed him. This mistake has been corrected in DII where both Mephisto's and Diablo's soulstones are destroyed. Baal's soulstone however has, to my knowledge, not been destroyed yet (can't fully remember it, but baal took it from the feller who pulled it out of Tal Rasha in the movie between actII and actIII (you see this in the end of DII (not LoD)). The only Prime Evil that can return now, is Baal. Also, if people read the manual that came with the DII (or LoD) game, then you can see that there is a map in there. You, as adventurer, have been everywhere on that map, except on the Amazon Islands. In short, I think that Baal has a possibility in coming back (him being the youngest (and maybe even strongest) of the three brothers) and maybe that will happen through Tyrael, in exactly the same way how Diablo came back.
But still, enough story to make a third game with the Horadrim and all too ;)
Just my opinion :p
1. This is not anime related.
2. Diablo has had 2 official(and multiple unofficial) sequels, give it up already. Whacking stuff is fun, but it is only fun for so long.
For number one.. Get the hell over it and go cry somewhere..
For number two.. I agree with you all the way.. Diablo 2 was fun for a while but it just became old..
I was addicted for a while, passed it on to my friend, and quit playing soon after. After you beat it once there is just no point. I do have to admit though.. I did not pay much attention to the storyline.. ¬_¬
Why on earth would you resurrect a two-year old thread??
Chronissz
2006-03-17, 18:42
http://www.gamingsteve.com/archives/2006/02/rumor_diablo_ii.php
^ A lotta comments in that place.
Why on earth would you resurrect a two-year old thread??
Who cares; REJOICE that the old buddy is back! :D
Oh, and D3 -if it ever comes- will start from the betrayal of what-was-his-name angel. You know; the one with shiny-white tentacles and a black blob of a head. In reality, he just wanted to shatter the Worldstone to weaken other angels and let demons into human realm.
If Diablo III comes out and you can finally hire Tyrael's angels as your mercenaries (even better, fight Tyrael as the final boss), then I'll be waiting, fifty dollars in hand to buy this game.
I've always thought Tyrael was pure evil... look at those sprawing wings!
Most likely D3 would be set in a time before the events of D1 because continuing from where D2 ended would seem like repeating what has already been done. D3 could, for example, tell the story of the Horadrim and how they banished the prime evils (can't really remember what happened).
The game mechanics would also need a major overhaul in my opinion. They need to either go back to a more D1 style dungeon crawl or do the opposite and make it fast and furious with full 3D and a physics engine with enemies who can be tossed around and so on.
microlith
2006-03-17, 21:17
Three words:
World of Warcraft
Muir Woods
2006-03-17, 23:57
Yes, the realm of the Diablo franchise still has the capacity for more story and plot, but let's be honest to ourselves, who really played the Diablo series for the story? We all played for the action-RPG genre experience that the Diablo games defined and honed: the compulsive click-click-click hack'n'slash towards that one more level, and the addicting hunt and hoarding for better items. That said, a game need not have the title "Diablo" to deliver that kind of experience. If you just want more of that formula, no need to wait for Diablo 3. There are well rated and praised Diablo clones, to satisfy those who want more of "Diablo". Some games such as Divine Divinity (http://www.divinedivinity.com/), Dungeon Seige 1 (http://www.gaspowered.com/ds1/)&2 (http://www.gaspowered.com/ds2/news.php), and Fate (http://www.fatethegame.com/).
Frankly, I'm just waiting for Oblivion, which looks to be the next big thing. It's going to be out on Monday.
Three words: World of Warcraft
Minus pay-to-play. Or the initial software-fee. One or the other. Of course, if it is anything like THIS (http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2/wallpapers/hellfrozenover/HellFrozenOver-notext-640x.jpg), it's sure as "hell" that it will be a flop.
Frankly, I'm just waiting for Oblivion,
Same, but that doesn't mean we can't have the fun of 'speculation.' ;)
Blizzard is way to busy with milking out WoW that they won't have time for anything else for a long time to come. Also there is Starcraft Ghost that Blizzard is gonna finish first before thinking about Diablo 3
Blizzard is way to busy with milking out WoW that they won't have time for anything else for a long time to come. Also there is Starcraft Ghost that Blizzard is gonna finish first before thinking about Diablo 3
Starcraft Ghost seems kinda dead in the water; the last time I saw any images or video of it, it didn't look too impressive (bootsguy :heh: ) and with the PS3 coming out later this year they don't really have much time left given that it's only a PS2 game.
I did hear somewhere that Blizzard had actually started hiring for Diablo 3, so I don't think it's completely impossible that they might be thinking about it already. I'd much rather see Starcraft 2 though - even if it was just the WC3 engine with SC units plus some new additions and a new storyline, that'd be better than nothing. I bet the Koreans would eat it up.
honestly i would absolutly love another diablo game, i was absolutly adicted to it, and id still would be, but i cant find my discs to reinstall it.
The expectation of starcraft is too high, they would need to come up with something new, that lots of people willl like. Until they find it, no sc2.
DioHeavenwater
2006-03-23, 15:45
There's still a lot of story to tell after DII, in fact, DII:LoD had an open ending... In short, I think that Baal has a possibility in coming back (him being the youngest (and maybe even strongest) of the three brothers).
But still, enough story to make a third game with the Horadrim and all too ;)
Just my opinion :p
I agree learning more about the ancient Horadrim would be spectacular. Just one thing... you said that Baal was the youngest, that is wrong, Diablo is the Youngest of the three, Mephisto is the oldest and Baal is the middle. Which would explain why he is indeed the strongest. = P
Though there are many avenues that could be followed to create a third game, one of which being that the lesser evils rise up and replace the prime evils and their underlings. If you think about it, there are open possibilities for a third game should blizzard decide to make one. But for now I think that they should just concentrate on SC:Ghost... DAMN am I tired of wating for that one....:frustrated:
It's important to remember that most of the Diablo and Starcraft creators don't work at Blizzard anymore.
Allot of does guys left to ArenaNet! Who makes Guild Wars( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7741052421468955274&q=guild+wars+gamespot )
GW has been called a spiritual sequel for D3. Though they have some very different design sheets.
Kazuma77
2008-04-15, 16:33
After eem... 2 years i am bringing back to life Diablo :heh: I was so addicted to this game in 2001 and 2002 but when i played it the other day, something was bothering me... Characters are standing on the place you send them, they don't auto-attack their opponents, and suddenly you got like 40 enemies targeting at one :confused: and you have a total useless character, and all you can do is run and hope you escape them in time :heh: didn't help in my case... in the end like 60 opponents where following me like puppies:confused::heh:
Yes in Diablo you don't auto-attack... how could you have forgoten that "wonderful" experience. :heh:
I don't see why they would. Diablo's gone, Mephisto's gone, Baal's gone....Who are they gonna use? Some random demon or evil wizard?
Technically a beta was released for Diablo 3: Hell on Earth a long time ago. I believe it dealt with Tal'Rasha, who you release in Act II and never see again. It would be way easy to resurrect Diablo who cant die and has proven to endure despite being killed several times over.
However, Bill Roeper and his team (who used to work at Blizzard North) created thier own studio called Flagship I think and they are doing very very well for themselves. I'm pretty sure they own some of the rights for Diablo and thus the chances of Diablo 3 making a comeback is slim.
There is no necromancy on Animesuki. On the contrary: it's the norm.
Anyway, I haven't read any news concerning D3, but I saw a new banner with the "Diablo 3" logo on their official site a little while ago. So I'm guessing that once Starcraft 2 has been finished, Diablo 3 is coming next. Perhaps in about three years.
Yes in Diablo you don't auto-attack... how could you have forgoten that "wonderful" experience. :heh:
Yes you do, it's called Bowazon and Strafe XD
There's always a chance of D3 story wise. IP belongs to Blizzard so they can easily create more plot. The ending of D2 xpac left that possibility open.
Technically a beta was released for Diablo 3: Hell on Earth a long time ago. I believe it dealt with Tal'Rasha, who you release in Act II and never see again. It would be way easy to resurrect Diablo who cant die and has proven to endure despite being killed several times over.
However, Bill Roeper and his team (who used to work at Blizzard North) created thier own studio called Flagship I think and they are doing very very well for themselves. I'm pretty sure they own some of the rights for Diablo and thus the chances of Diablo 3 making a comeback is slim.
Flagship doesn't own the rights to Diablo, Blizzard does; otherwise I'm sure Roeper would have made Diablo 3 instead of Hellgate :)
It's almost a certainty that Diablo 3 will be released within the next 5 years, at some point Blizzard will have to slowly begin to replace WoW with something newer and better, otherwise another company will create a game to replace it (imagine GTA as a MMORPG :) )
I loved Diablo 1 & 2, so I will be anxiously awaiting its release once it is announced.
Supah Em
2008-05-13, 11:39
lol@necromancers
too many necromancers here but most of them really count(i.e infused new data, provided more insights, etc.) so it really doesnt matter most of the time.... i think
anyways i played diablo 2 and was addicted to it until i finished the game, then it went meh... i never really cared for the story because the gameplay itself was immersing.
kimchipride
2008-06-23, 19:19
It's coming
"Hell has froze over"
http://www.blizzard.com
http://www.sclegacy.com/showthread.php?t=150
kimchipride
2008-06-24, 03:28
"The url of the images begins with us.media.blizzard.com/232309/
Why 232309? If we assume that the numbers correspond to the letters in the alphabet we get 232309=WWI ... ring a bell? :-) World Wide Invitational
23 = W
23 = W
09 = I
Anyway the "hidden" picture is called 04.jpg. (http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/04.jpg)
My guess is that tomorrow we'll see a picture called 09.jpg, then on Wednesday 01.jpg ....
Today is 04.jpg = D
if Tomorrow will be 09.jpg = I (if its not, maybe not diablo at all Tongue)
Wednesday will be 01.jpg = A
Thursday will be 02.jpg = B
Friday will be 12.jpg = L
Saturday will be 15.jpg = O (June 28 WWI 1st Day, Good to announce here also.)
Sunday will be 3.jpg = 3 or three.jpg or whichever. = (June 29 WII 2nd Day, and B-day of Diablo, more better to announce here.)" Quote from Diablofans.com
Blizzard has had 04.jpg and 15.jpg so far which represents the D and O for Diablo.
Diablo 3 will be announced at the 2008 WWI. I'd bet money on this
Ooooh... new splash screen! LOL
Too much speculation for me to handle for now... I'll eagerly wait for some more info. :p
Oh boy, here comes more hack/smash/explodey dungeon crawling. :D
Hope Necro makes it back.
If it's not Diablo 3, Blizzard is doing a fantastic job of just plain fucking with peoples' heads by doing this.
Oh dear, there been this conversation about Diablo 3 ever since Diablo 2 LoD came out and it been here like forever; how long has it been? 8 years?
BTW: "Has hell frozen over yet?" was one of Death Knight's quotes from Warcraft 3. If I remember correctly.
10 bucks says this is WotLK propaganda.
In the unlikely event that i am wrong, I'll treat everyone in this thread to e-coffee :P
One of my initial thoughts was WotLK Beta announcement stuff, but I wouldn't think that that would be big enough news to do something like this. Diablo 3, on the other hand, would be huge news.
There are some hints that make Diablo 3 very possible to be their next game
1. Diablo2 was released on June 29th. The second day of the upcoming World Wide Invitational, and the day Blizzard has their planned press conference.
2. The hidden symbols appear to be very similar to some of Diablo2's runes. The first one represents Shael, the second one represent's Hel.
http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/diablo3/wwi-2008-teaser/rune2.jpg
http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/diablo3/wwi-2008-teaser/hel-rune-big.jpg
3. The link diablo3.com doesn't redirect to diablofans.com anymore.
Also, for those saying there is nothing left of the diablo story, that is not true. There are 2 lesser evils left:
Azmodan - Lord of Sin
Belial - Lord of Lies
Aoie_Emesai
2008-06-24, 20:12
One question: Would you still play diablo for no story if it had similar game play with all the fun packed action?
For me, yeah. I loved the fast paced action of diablo II and LOD and I would still play it. Not like diablo I or II had much of a decent storyline yet it was still quite popular. Doesn't matter, not like Blizzard has made a terrible game since it's start.
psycho bolt
2008-06-24, 20:13
it's about time?
krisslanza
2008-06-24, 20:19
One question: Would you still play diablo for no story if it had similar game play with all the fun packed action?
For me, yeah. I loved the fast paced action of diablo II and LOD and I would still play it. Not like diablo I or II had much of a decent storyline yet it was still quite popular. Doesn't matter, not like Blizzard has made a terrible game since it's start.
People bought Diablo 2 and LOD for its story...? :uhoh:
I bought it to kill things and giggle happily as their blood sprayed the floor :p
yezhanquan
2008-06-24, 20:39
Blizzard doesn't fool its fans, unless it's April 1st.
Aoie_Emesai
2008-06-24, 20:56
People bought Diablo 2 and LOD for its story...? :uhoh:
I bought it to kill things and giggle happily as their blood sprayed the floor :p
I said this in response for those buying the game for the story. Just checking...
krisslanza
2008-06-24, 22:00
I said this in response for those buying the game for the story. Just checking...
I was merely reinforcing the point that I don't think many D2 players bought it for the story is all :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2008-06-24, 22:10
I happen to like the Diablo story very much thank you >.>
DJ_RockmanX
2008-06-24, 22:31
I happen to like the Diablo story very much thank you >.>
As do I. Although slaying miscellaneous creatures and watching their blood splatter onto the ground is also quite fun in itself. :D
Seditary
2008-06-24, 23:01
Well the overall extended diablo storyline is all well and good, but there's not much of it present in the games really.
kimchipride
2008-06-25, 00:32
http://www.sc2pod.com/news/Countdown_to_Diablo_3/
This should convince EVERYONE that Diablo 3 is coming
Seriously, the clues point right at Diablo 3.
Since sc2pod is down right now, here's a post I made elsewhere:
http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice3.jpg
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http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/23.jpg
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???
23 = W if we go by the letter scheming. Also, another rune is visible a bit left of center near the bottom.
Pic stolen from another site.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n141/Draget2004/sofar.jpg
I got nothin' now for what it might be.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest: How about a new franchise all together? :p
After some looking around, the left rune(first one) is on Frostmourne, the upper right rune(second one) is a Hel Rune from D2, and the lower left one(third one) is a Protoss clan insignia from SC2. So... God only knows what they're going to announce, unless it's just going to be a dumb WWI notification thing.
I dismissed the idea of a new franchise yesterday, but after the 3rd rune's appearance it's looking more and more likely that that is the case to me.
Time will tell, need moar pics!
technomo12
2008-06-25, 10:27
well at first it was good but man after becomnig godlike it is soooooo boring
i prefer SC2 than diable
I hope this is true I pray this is true . Its been too long and I dont want to get my hopes up ^o^
They will announce the release date for Wotkl, more information on SC2 and Diablo 3.
That is my prediction.
Oh dear, if this really comes out then I surely will be looking forward to it; more than SC2 at the very least. HOORAY FOR RIGGED PALLY!!!
http://dk101.net/images/blizro.jpg
psycho bolt
2008-06-25, 17:30
i read on diabloii.net that they say diablo 3 will be announced on wwi (inside sources confirmed it). im not sure if this is true or not, but we will see.
Garet Jax
2008-06-25, 20:55
If you invert and posterize using GIMP, you get this as a result: a hellish, shadowy, somewhat horned outline of a head?
http://forums.animesuki.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=56447&dateline=1214445109
Clearly, this rigorous scientific method proves that it is, in fact, Diablo. :heh:
I honestly think that the whole color/contrast/etc changes people are doing to the images is looking way too hard for something that isn't there.
Oh, and new images this morning of course.
http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice4.jpg
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http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/16.jpg
It does indeed look like there's a face behind the ice in the shadows, and there's another rune showing in the lower right.
Apparently it forms a pentagon and there so far nothing in WoW/Warcraft relating to pentagram. But I guess we just have to wait, no point of causing a commotion over something so unnecessary.
http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice5.jpg
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http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/42.jpg
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http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/08.jpg
http://blizzardguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/evilpenguin.jpg
Definitely eyes and a crazy looking penguin-thing.
New rune in the top-middle, some kind of snowflake. Also the other runes are glowy.
It's coming
"Hell has froze over"
http://www.blizzard.com
Aye that IS the new World of Warcraft expansion "Wrath of The Lich King". That picture is also the front page leading into the World of Warcraft main website(without the eyes, which are VERY similar to the Lich kings eyes if you have seen Blizzards pictures) seeing as the expansion is supposed to come out this year somewhere around november. At the moment, that expansion is their biggest hype.
Then again it IS a fact that Diablo III is coming sooner or later, the guy who made the music for the game has already stated that he has finished the music for it. Although he wasn't supposed to say that :D
the guy who made the music for the game has already stated that he has finished the music for it. Although he wasn't supposed to say that :D
is there a source for that somewhere?
I think that's a protoss' eyes.
I still wonder if it is a new franchise... I mean, what the heck is that creature thing supposed to be? From memory it doesn't fit into any of the established games...
I still wonder if it is a new franchise... I mean, what the heck is that creature thing supposed to be? From memory it doesn't fit into any of the established games...
Penguin.
There'll be a penguin level instead of a cow level.
randomuser83
2008-06-27, 17:49
Diablo three will be awesome. I hope they have it almost done :)
WWI PARIS starts in just an hour!
Be ready to get your live streams fired up for the opening ceremony and a possible D3 announcement: http://www.blizzard.com/wwi08/streams.xml?rhtml=y
gonna be uber epic or epic failure :heh:
Woohoo! Half an hour to go... 'til the start of the broadcast... which probably means nothing coz they'll probably reserve the announcement until later on the 2nd day.
EDIT: Anyone else having trouble connecting to the feed?
Who were the developers who made Diablo I and II again? Oh yeah Blizzard North (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_North)...I wonder what happened to them.
This (http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/en-US/splash.swf) is interesting though.
Seems like it been officially announced, hope it will be good or better than the Diablo1/2.
Indeed. It has been announced. I think I just wet my pants... :p
FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
BURN OCTOSHAPE TO HELL!
Crappy services kept crapping out my stream! Only saw glimpses of the gameplay and that was it, god dammit ><
Them vids better show up elsewhere real soon! Please!
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/
is now online.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-06-28, 06:04
the heroes of Sanctuary to defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells – and even the failing luminaries of the High Heavens itself.
So... Are we mortals literally sandwiched in between? On the bright side, it's a nice change from hunting demons :nod:
just watched the cinematic and gameplay trailers. Looks good so far. It's kept the basics of the last game intact as well as adding extra ease-of-use functions. So far so good.
Oh and its in widescreen. :D
Diablo III panel is starting now by the way. Get in on the action at Main Stage: http://eu.blizzard.com/wwi08/streams.xml
You gotta get use their Octoshape plug-in btw.
EDIT: Some stuff from the panel.
devs aiming to stay true to diablo universe. Trying to keep feel of part 1 and 2.
devs also aiming for better and more interesting story and lore, however they won't shove it down your throat if your not interested. Example of this is that your characters themselves are gonna have voices and are going to interact with other characters when you talk to them. EG: you and cain having an actual convo, rather than big monologues like in the previous games.
devs planning to make fresh character classes, currently no plans to carry the old classes over.
devs aiming for faster and more combat paced gameplay.
skill hotkeys have replaced the potion belt portion of the screen, you have a total of 6 hotkeys, 1-6. Makes it Much more easier to use then the f-keys.
potion belt has been removed. Reasons for this was that they potions were like an escape button. Crap im dying, potion. Crap im surrounded potion. The devs didn't like this. Rather they wanted to promote more skill usage to get out of difficult situation.
new heath globe system. Basically monsters drop health globes and you run into em to refill your health. This effects all party members within a relative distance so you won't have one guy hogging all the potions/life. What it also does is also help promote combat. EG: The only way to get health is to fight for it.
potions aren't entirely scrapped but they're trying to remove it as a core part of the game.
devs trying to reduce constant spamming of skills/spells and make you use a wide range and variety of skills instead. Trying to incorporate abit of strategy into it like positional gameplay and such rather than just constant clicking.
Devs keeping randomized system of Diablo. To improve on it they're going to have a new adventures system, basically scripted events/side quests that can be randomly placed anywhere. EG: clearing out a group of monster or protecting a caravan till it reaches it's destination or whatever. Randomisation overall improves replayability
new inventory system. No more inventory tetris, everything takes up one slot one now.
systems requirments most likely won't require directx 10
party size they want to keep at around 4 or 5. Anymore and it just gets too confusing on screen. They generally want guys to be close to each other, hence the health globe system, it's universal provided you're close to each other.
runes we don't know if they'll be back or not. When asked about he the devs said "no comment"
when asked about any secret levels (eg: secret cow or penguin level), they replied with it's a secret lol =P
Keep in mind alot of this stuff is still under-development, hence it probably wouldn't be unnatural if they were all subjected to change at one point or another. Remember nothing is set in stone just yet.
Didn't thought D3 would really be in the making. I'm not sure what i'm more excited about, D3 or SC2. But will be two things to look forward to for the next few years knowing blizzards pace of releasing a game.
Blizzard D3 site seems to be zerged, it's really slow atm. After a long wait i still managed to see the gameplay trailer, and cinematic teaser.
The cinematic trailer is as expected of Blizzard entertainment. The gameplay trailer looked good to, though the graphics reminded me of WoW. Had a somewhat nostalgic feel when the barbarian used his whirlwind. Looking forward for more trailers. I Hope the game will at least be free :)
Anyone else felt it was wrong when he said: "now we will go to the most important part of the game. The loot" I hope it doesn't turn in to a next WoW where you have to hardcore grind/raid/pvp, or in D3 case dungeon crawl. And of course let's hope not everyone will walk around with CTA/BOTD in D3 style from duped stuff.
And i think i'll need to build myself a new PC for SCII and D3 when they are released. And my compliments to blizzard site design, looks awesome.
psycho bolt
2008-06-28, 09:59
The ending of the gameplay was epic
For the people who cba using blizzard way of downloading the video. All 3 videos are 720p
Cinematic: http://www.gamershell.com/download_28314.shtml 47.74MB
Artwork: http://www.gamershell.com/download_28316.shtml 86.9MB
Gameplay: http://www.gamershell.com/download_28318.shtml 568.75MB
Mr Hat and Clogs
2008-06-28, 10:44
# devs planning to make fresh character classes, currently no plans to carry the old classes over.
Then in the gameplay video why did they have the Barb with new skills? Just to demo? hell he is on the website as a playable class. =/ Dammit I was looking forward to Necromancer + Witch Doctor shenanigans.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-06-28, 11:04
Then in the gameplay video why did they have the Barb with new skills? Just to demo? hell he is on the website as a playable class. =/ Dammit I was looking forward to Necromancer + Witch Doctor shenanigans.
Yeah, my guess is that they won't bring over MOST of the old class, but perhaps 1 or 2, depending on how many classes they intend to put in total...
My money is on that the Paladins would return; Blizzard LOVES their Paladins...
I'm sorry to say this, but the Witch Doctors looks like their replacements for the Necromancers...
psycho bolt
2008-06-28, 11:09
the characters/some monsters though kinda feels cartoonish, imo
Mr Hats and Clogs I think you're taking what i said a bit too literal there, probably and partially my fault for not phrasing it right either lol =P As seen with the trailer and website, the Barb is probably most definitely back but don't get your hopes for the rest since they've stated that it's not one of their plans to carry all of the old classes over.
The witch doctor to me looks like a cross between the necro and druid.
EDIT: Also another point i want to expand on.
By faster and more combat paced gameplay: I mean the devs are gonna make a lot more crowd control skills and they want them to feel more powerful too (eg: through sfx and sound effects and what not). They want the gameplay to be very smooth and combat paced. They don't want us running away or avoiding battles half the time hence, the health globe system and they also didn't want people drinking after every fight much like what happens in WoW. They want us to constantly move forward to try and re-capture that diablo feel of venturing into the unkown. So yea that's one extra thing that they're aiming for in D3.
Also currently no word on whether they'll be a subscription fee or not. But I'm assuming it'll probably be free to play after the initial purchase. The new battlenet is apparently gonna be really awesome as well (as already hinted and mentioned with the developments of SC2). Can't wait! ><
psycho bolt
2008-06-28, 11:20
well we got like 2 characters announced. thats outta 5. so we only got 3 left. I guess they are trying to stick with diablo 2 and leave it as 5 chars and then maybe give us an expansion to add 2 more? just a assumption.
i hope they keep necro - my first char i played in d2, ah the good ol days.
the characters/some monsters though kinda feels cartoonish, imo
That's been Blizzard's style since the original Warcraft.
I actually think it makes them somewhat unique since there's tons of other companies that do the "realistic" look.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-06-28, 11:44
well we got like 2 characters announced. thats outta 5. so we only got 3 left. I guess they are trying to stick with diablo 2 and leave it as 5 chars and then maybe give us an expansion to add 2 more? just a assumption.
i hope they keep necro - my first char i played in d2, ah the good ol days.
I've just checked their FAQ; You're right, there will be a maximum of 5 classes in this game. 2 of them already announced, with the Witch Doctor looking like a possible replacement for the Necromancer.
My guess is most likely, 2 of the remaining spot would go to classes that resembles Rogues/Assassins and Mage/Casters.
Nice CG intro.
with the Witch Doctor looking like a possible replacement for the Necromancer.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! This cannot beeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
Nice CG intro.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! This cannot beeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
Aah well, i don't mind it to much, the witch doctor seems to be able to summon minions to. What i like the most about necromancer was that he could summon mass skeletons, combined with amplifie and corpse explosion. It was quite fun to solo. :p
Unless you miss being able to trap people and spam mass spirits at them :D Though the Witch doctor might have his own version of those, though i wouldn't count on that :heh:
Sorceress better make a come back, I made so many of those in D2.
Currenty downloading the videos, and all I have to say is FINALLY!!!! Been waiting for a D3 for years -_-;;
BTW, do I need a certian codec to view those vids? Or are they in the standard avi, wmv, mov? Can't tell since they are in *.zip :(
Barbarian- Very much like Warcraft 3 with Ground Stomp, Cleave(Pitlord), Seismic Slam(Tauren Chieftain) but some very goody moves came back like Leap and whirlwind from Diablo 2. Hope they don't go too much of those fancy moves and more stats build like crits and all.
Witchdoctor - Your Necromancer, it knows FEAR OMGWTF.
So far I think Paladin and Mage will be coming back, hope they rig pally again. Another thing is hate how they messed up the potion system and all. Hell, I love mass drinking them 1111. Another thing is I actually like how you fit thing in your inventory so it is like... use your brain but damn.
As long as I have my barbarian, I am happy!
Currenty downloading the videos, and all I have to say is FINALLY!!!! Been waiting for a D3 for years -_-;;
BTW, do I need a certian codec to view those vids? Or are they in the standard avi, wmv, mov? Can't tell since they are in *.zip :(
It's the same file type as any other bnet trailer/gameplay movie. AVI encoded with DX50 (Family: MPEG-4). If you could play the previous trailer/cinematic from blizzard you can play this one to. They should start using h.264 imho. 600mb for a 720p 20min movie is meh >.<
Witchdoctor - Your Necromancer, it knows FEAR OMGWTF.
I can see the crazy party/raid leader voices from TS being posted already. For the people who played WoW. Some probably remember the crazy raid leader from Chromaggus iirc, as well as some others. "MINUS FIFTY DKP!!" or "WHELPS/SKELETONS EAST SIDE!! WEST SIDE!!" :heh:
Bonta Kun
2008-06-28, 18:56
just checked out the vids, and I instantly slapped a "MUST GET OR GOD WILL SMITE THEE DOWN!!!" sticker on it:D
it does look like it was worth the wait(I don't say that often.....actually only ever said that for Transformers movie and DoAX2:heh:)
can't wait!!
Wow, a new Diablo game at last! To think that it was just a dream back then. Oh man, time to relive the good old days. Am I going to waste a lot of time with this one...
I saw some of the artwork, and I was wondering if it's hinting at selectable genders per class. I think that would be a good option, but I still lament the loss of the Necromancer. Well, perhaps the Witch Doctor might have been due to a new setting, but the Necromancer is a favorite of mine. At least the Barbarian is still awesome though.
The gameplay vid shows female versions of the barb and witch doctor.
There's concept art of possible other character classes. One of them looks like a female necro, but no certainties. It's in the artwork trailer.
(EDIT: NVM I think it's just a witch doctor)
Bonta Kun
2008-06-28, 21:09
I saw some of the artwork, and I was wondering if it's hinting at selectable genders per class. I think that would be a good option
yea seems they are doing this this time around, and gotta say a good thing, in this day and age having the classes pre-set would be just be put simply gay
If you read the FAQ it tells you that the gender of the character will be selectable.
By the way, just a word of note. There are still two more upcoming Diablo panels at the WWI Paris if you want to check it out.
The:
World Lore and Environment Art panel at 10:00 Paris time at the Tournament Stage/stream
and
the Denizens of Diablo one at 17:00 Paris time at the Main Stage/stream.
Check em out here: http://www.blizzard.com/wwi08/streams.xml?rhtml=y
There's also a time table there too if you wanna check out what other stuff is going on. Use this to check out the current time in Paris: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_FR.aspx?city=Paris
I'm still not sure whether I'll be able to catch em or not as I'll be out around the time of the first panel and the second Denizens of Diablo panel I'll most likely be able to catch, provided i don't fall asleep first lol :heh:
NoLongerSane
2008-06-28, 21:52
Just saw the vids and I am very excited to see this game come out. Looks like they will be increasing the boss sizes for this one. When I fist saw the boss in the demo vid, I was thinking "oh crap, this is going to long." I enjoyed how it was intorduced as something roaming in the background, then it take one of archers.
psycho bolt
2008-06-28, 21:55
Some info from ign regarding the witch doctor.
Jay Wilson, a lead designer on Diablo III, said the witch doctor is not a replacement for Diablo II's necromancer - source ign (http://pc.ign.com/articles/885/885128p1.html).
It's not meant as a replacement, but that doesn't mean that he'll definitely be back either. But who knows the dev team did say the necro was a really cool character and they liked him a lot too. If he does come back though would quite a bit of overlap between the two wouldn't you think? Maybe they'll drastically change the necro or something. We'll see with time I guess.
Anywayz just a bit on whether Diablo will be pay-play like WoW, i ran into this Q and A from sclegacy (http://www.sclegacy.com/content/wwi-08-coverage-11/diablo-3-press-interview-89/)
Q: Will it follow a subscription model or will it be free to play out of the box?
A: We haven't decided on our financial model.
Please dear god no. Subscription fees do not want!
Are you ceriualo, like WoW? But it is hosted on Battlenet. That is a definite no and doesn't even deserve to be "Decided on". I will kick Blizzard for all their marketing, passionate gamer my ....
KickHopper
2008-06-28, 22:35
Awesome. Seriously can't wait getting my hands on Starcraft II and Diablo III. Need something to take me away from Dota.
If Diablo III turns into a monthly fee kind of thing, there will be hell to fucking pay.
Mr Hat and Clogs
2008-06-28, 22:37
Jay Wilson, a lead designer on Diablo III, said the witch doctor is not a replacement for Diablo II's necromancer
/cheer there's hope yet.
reflection
2008-06-29, 02:16
Aaaah, I'm so hyped up now! I've always been a Barb and Pally person, so glad to see the Barbarian made it over. I'm also like the new direction their taking by removing the potions and having the characters benefit more from a variety of skills. That'll definitely make it more interesting. Not sure how that'll go for PVP though. For the inventory system, I think they should have the restriction based on weight but one that doesn't affect the speed of your character. So basically, there's a maximum weight that you can carry instead of dealing with the spacing and will make it less of a hassle.
NoLongerSane
2008-06-29, 02:27
Well, we will be recieving more information in the coming months dealing with the layout and game play. As for that boss fight in the game play vid, did anyone noticed that the creature just pick up on of the characters and bit off his head, automatically killing him!:D This might provide some challenges on how to come up and attack certain bosses without being outright killed, but this is sort of bad for me since I usually played with characters that were pretty much in the front line when it came to fighting bosses.
I do hope they keep the Sorceress, or at least a class similar to her. My favorite class in D2 was my pre-1.10 Orb/Wall Sorc.
I can see the crazy party/raid leader voices from TS being posted already. For the people who played WoW. Some probably remember the crazy raid leader from Chromaggus iirc, as well as some others. "MINUS FIFTY DKP!!" or "WHELPS/SKELETONS EAST SIDE!! WEST SIDE!!" :heh:
Onyxia actually. But pretty darn funny either way. It was made even better with the video. ^^
Anyway, Diablo 3 looks great...but I'm not gonna get hyped up over a game that won't be out for at least another year. On the other hand, I'm so freaking glad that the commotion over the splash screen is done and over with. :heh:
I'm glad that Diablo 3 is confirmed to be true even if the release date is still on hold.
Hope they'll bring back the Pally too. :)
Any news from the latest D3 panel earlier?
NoLongerSane
2008-06-29, 04:17
What I am hoping for is the return of the Druid. I have a lot of fun playing the werebear.
This is great news and all, except now I have to endure the wait for both Starcraft II AND Diablo III now =(. There's not even a set release date for SCII yet, and they've been working on that for how long now?
It's going to be a painful 2+ year wait.
Bonta Kun
2008-06-29, 17:28
This is great news and all, except now I have to endure the wait for both Starcraft II AND Diablo III now =(. There's not even a set release date for SCII yet, and they've been working on that for how long now?
It's going to be a painful 2+ year wait.
yea it is gonna be a painful wait but I think its totally gonna be worth it.
It just looks too good to be true.........oh god hope that ain't true!
I'm betting we'll probably see it around summer - fall next year.
WotLK will probably be out this fall - winter. SC2 for my guess will be around this winter too.
I seek knowledge of time travel.
kimchipride
2008-06-29, 23:22
I seek knowledge of time travel.
I can give it to you.
But it will cost your SOUL!!!!
SoldierOfDarkness
2008-06-29, 23:36
Awesome. Seriously can't wait getting my hands on Starcraft II and Diablo III. Need something to take me away from Dota.
If Diablo III turns into a monthly fee kind of thing, there will be hell to fucking pay.
Hang on.
In the previous Diablo titles there was a single campaign that you could follow.
Does that mean it'll be multiplayer only?
I can give it to you.
But it will cost your SOUL!!!!
Oh C*AP, I already sold mines to the dark gods of ero-games! :(
You also have to love that 3D isometric view. I'm glad Blizzard kept it Diablo-ish instead of going for a fully WoW-like look.
Someone should tell Bioware to make a new Baldur's Gate with this view in mind. And Fallout 3 looks interesting as well, but that whole "feels like Oblivion" thing gets to me still.
The graphics are abit too 'Wow inspired' for my liking to be honest... hopefully they'll be able to improve on the graphics as development on the game furthers.
But here's some extra gameplay footage of the witchdoctor for your viewing pleasures ;)
http://www.wegame.com/watch/Diablo_3_Gameplay_6_29_08/
Any news from the latest D3 panel earlier?
I missed out on the Lore and Art panel, but i did manage to catch the later Denizens of Diablo panel later on in the day though.
Here's a youtube of the Denizens Panel
Part 1lWxYlWitpUk
Part 2oXurH2JFunc
Part 3v6LhGxcdQpU
Part 4S1VVwg9YpzE
I've yet to find a recording of the Lore and Art panel, but hopefully someone has recorded it and will upload it soon.
For the Lore and Art panel, it's on the gamespot site: http://www.gamespot.com/video/930659/6193147/diablo-iii-diablo-iii-world-lore-and-environment-art-panel-
There are also a number of other diablo panels that have been uploaded onto youtube as well if yould like to check em out as well: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wwi+panel&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
(if the link doesn't work then just search "wwi panel" on youtube and go "sort by date" and work your way from there.)
You also have to love that 3D isometric view. I'm glad Blizzard kept it Diablo-ish instead of going for a fully WoW-like look.
Someone should tell Bioware to make a new Baldur's Gate with this view in mind. And Fallout 3 looks interesting as well, but that whole "feels like Oblivion" thing gets to me still.
I agree there.
First person view is overrated and unwieldy when you command a party of npcs/player. Diablo with first person view will not be diablo anymore.... it will be Hellgate :p
There's a lot of complaints going around that D3 doesn't seem gloomy enough. Aside from the fact that we've only seen two environments, if you make the whole game constantly gloomy, then the parts of the game that are supposed to be truly hellish just aren't going to have as big an impact. Plus you run the risk of making the whole feel of the game too monotone. It's just like making a story; you have to have periods where the mood is different.
If you make the game's environments varied, and concentrate the gloom and doom into only the areas that need it, then when those areas come around the impact will be huge thanks to the incredible contrast.
HayashiTakara
2008-06-30, 02:15
Its a shame we won't see this game for another 2 or 3 years... this is Blizzard afterall.
There's a lot of complaints going around that D3 doesn't seem gloomy enough. Aside from the fact that we've only seen two environments, if you make the whole game constantly gloomy, then the parts of the game that are supposed to be truly hellish just aren't going to have as big an impact. Plus you run the risk of making the whole feel of the game too monotone. It's just like making a story; you have to have periods where the mood is different.
If you make the game's environments varied, and concentrate the gloom and doom into only the areas that need it, then when those areas come around the impact will be huge thanks to the incredible contrast.
I think they mentioned somewhere that they were working with certain colour palettes to determine the mood of each scenario. I have faith in them...
Anyone remember Lut Gholein? That was damn too bright, I almost had to pull out some sunnies... hahaha
There's a lot of complaints going around that D3 doesn't seem gloomy enough. Aside from the fact that we've only seen two environments, if you make the whole game constantly gloomy, then the parts of the game that are supposed to be truly hellish just aren't going to have as big an impact. Plus you run the risk of making the whole feel of the game too monotone. It's just like making a story; you have to have periods where the mood is different.
If you make the game's environments varied, and concentrate the gloom and doom into only the areas that need it, then when those areas come around the impact will be huge thanks to the incredible contrast.
In a lot of the panels and interviews that I've watched it seems like the dev team is trying to add alot more colour into the game. They're exploring the possibilities of adding colour and yet still trying to capture that horror and gothic vibe at the same time. Rather than having darkness as a colour or choice, they want it to become an emotion now.
And like you said, when they're not afraid of using colour anymore they are then able to use it to their advantage. Things are able to be emphasized better with colour, the impacts of contrast are greatly enhanced and overall a larger array of colours is just generally more visually appeasing.
Diablo's one and two were fairly monotone so when we saw the gameplay demo for D3 with the different art direction, of course it was going to feel abit uncomfortable. After all, we've been exposed to the dark and gothic monotone feel of D1 and D2 for so long that we've gotten use to it. I admit I said before that i felt the graphics may've been abit too much 'WoW inspired' for my liking, but i think I'll refrain from judgment until i actually play the game and get a feel of it's moods and atmosphere myself. Especially now after hearing the reasons for why the graphics were presented the way they were in the demo.
Anyone remember Lut Gholein? That was damn too bright, I almost had to pull out some sunnies... hahaha
No wonder the claw vipers took out the sun. :3
There's a lot of complaints going around that D3 doesn't seem gloomy enough. Aside from the fact that we've only seen two environments, if you make the whole game constantly gloomy, then the parts of the game that are supposed to be truly hellish just aren't going to have as big an impact. Plus you run the risk of making the whole feel of the game too monotone. It's just like making a story; you have to have periods where the mood is different.
If you make the game's environments varied, and concentrate the gloom and doom into only the areas that need it, then when those areas come around the impact will be huge thanks to the incredible contrast.
Yeap. That was the charm of most of diablo games, at first it seems just a dungeon crawling business then as you can deeper, it's like "zomg what the fck is dis place?????!!!! @_@"
And know what? Diablo has NO "wtf my eyez burnz" neon colored environment that kinda turned me off from WoW.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-06-30, 05:12
No wonder the claw vipers took out the sun. :3
They took out a large area of my LOS as well =_= Sneaky bastards...
Well... time to reinstall Diablo II while I wait for more information on D3... :p
Dark isn't scary, it's going into the first area in Diablo 1 and open the door into the Butcher's Room and doing a naked corpse run.
The only thing that really scares me in D2 was actually Duriel in Act II.
Hmmm... it seems my LoD disc has died after all these years of inactivity... oh well, time to go buy a new one. Cheap! :D
The butcher was always fun. Nothing like that room of his in Diablo, one of the best parts in the game.
I remeber killing him in Diablo II as well, probably one of the more memorable moments.
Using his weapon later after killing him I thought was so frikin' cool at the time.
Dark isn't scary, it's going into the first area in Diablo 1 and open the door into the Butcher's Room and doing a naked corpse run.
That gameplay video is such a tease, it looks so complete but I'm sure the final product is years away :(
Onyxia actually. But pretty darn funny either way. It was made even better with the video. ^^
Anyway, Diablo 3 looks great...but I'm not gonna get hyped up over a game that won't be out for at least another year. On the other hand, I'm so freaking glad that the commotion over the splash screen is done and over with. :heh:
On the server Chromaggus :) On my server there was this guy Rogon who is quite well known for his swearing and calling his guild members names when sh.t hits the fan during raids. That is also where the whelps east side/west side is from during a Onxyia raid.
Somewhat OT, i actually dig up the old links. Watch/listen at your own risk, a lot of foul language and swearing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9mqEXYZtKo&feature=related
+ brainwash music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA9OjtjkSFo&feature=related
Hmmm... it seems my LoD disc has died after all these years of inactivity... oh well, time to go buy a new one. Cheap! :D
Don't bother. It was about one and a half year ago that i last played D2. I remember the servers being in a terrible state. I couldn't even teleport with my enigma hammerdin without getting a disconnect message. I doubt blizzard has fixed up the servers and made it playable. Also hate how characters expire if you don't log on for to long. Was a real pain to refresh 20 mules or so ~~
It's gonna have a cowlevel right? and built-in maphack and bots because they might as well be :p
The mystery creature looked like a penguin, so I expect we'll see a penguin level. :)
When this game hits the shelves, productivity all over the world will see a sudden drop. Again.
Yes, that includes mine. :D
If this game hits next spring, it will coincide with what's basically 24/7 vacation time for me, which is just perfect. :D
iwubanime
2008-07-01, 01:24
I just watched the gameplay vid, it was nice!
I am pretty excited for this!!
SolarNova
2008-07-01, 06:26
This looks awsome ..i always liked D1 & D2 and im glad a 3 is finaly on its way ...
But i just wish they kept it under wraps till it was closer to completion ..now we all suffer for a year or 2 before its release lol ..owell ..atleas its comming ..cant wait to play it on me 36" LCD :D
Oh btw i also installed me old D2 and LOD but almost cried when it said it wouldnt run with Vista ..luckily the 1.12 patch sorts this ..kinda ..need to make sure you set the game to run in windows 95 compatibility mode or it jerks all over the place.
Well it did for me using Vista ultimate on a Dell XPS 720 2HC .. so just a warning there for any1 trying to install on Vista.
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-01, 08:39
I never played the first Diablo game but I was a big fan of D2. I wonder what kind of graphics engine it is using because it looks similar to either Warcraft 3 or Starcraft 2.
squaresphere
2008-07-01, 09:52
i wouldn't doubt if it's just a modified version of the SC2 engine
I must say, I will be one very unhappy camper if there is no Pali :(. He was always my favorite to use over the years :p
zzeroparticle
2008-07-01, 23:50
I'm just hoping they bring back the atmosphere from the original Diablo. The second one was just sorely lacking in the creepiness department and not once did I really feel like I was being threatened. It devolved into a monster killfest unlike the first which actually filled you with fear. Nothing like walking into the catacombs and coming across 10+ acid-spitting dogs, or the caves with those horned demons that charged you, or the stormlords further on down. And the Butcher, who has been mentioned plenty of times. Nothing like his "AHHH FRESH MEAT!!!" cry to send a chill down your spine.
I really did like seeing that demonic creature popping out of that building though in the gameplay video though and it does build hope that we'll see a return to the atmosphere.
Which petition shall you sign?
To change (http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html)
Or
Not to change? (http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html)
Some images to maybe help you decide:
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While i must say the altered images do imo capture that dark and gothic feel of the first two games a lot better than the original images, you do have to remember that Diablo III is after all set 2 decades into the future. The world is a much livelier and nicer place as opposed to before... that was of course until the comet hit New Tristram. It would be nice if the art were to slowly shift and become darker as we progress through the game though.
Well I'd like to be able to see what I'm doing, and I don't want to kill my computer with graphics that rock too hard.
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-02, 04:32
Which petition shall you sign?
To change (http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html)
Or
Not to change? (http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html)
Some images to maybe help you decide:
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While i must say the altered images do imo capture that dark and gothic feel of the first two games a lot better than the original images, you do have to remember that Diablo III is after all set 2 decades into the future. The world is a much livelier and nicer place as opposed to before... that was of course until the comet hit New Tristram. It would be nice if the art were to slowly shift and become darker as we progress through the game though.
I agree the dark gritty altered pics look better and more fitting for a Diablo game but that would mean they have to go back and change all the color schemes again and probably push the release date back another year or something. That I don't want, heh.
Just me but I prefer the look of the new game. I mean I killed 3 of the Prime Evils and 2 of the lesser evils, the world better look like a nicer place then it was before.
I agree with Xacual, and who knows maybe as we go deeper into the game the game will be more colourless? (I doubt it but it would be a cool effect) Still if you hate it that much you can always lower the contrast and brightness of your monitor.
It's only 2 small zones shown so far and people are already complaining about it.
I'll take the devs word that D1 and D2 were a lot more colorful than people like to remember.
In all honestly it's not a question of textures it's just a question lighting. People don't seem to like the current lighting and shading which is in all honesty just a petty personal preferance. I don't agree with the comments that the game isn't "realistic enough"; if your preferance is realism go to the damned scemetary and hit on dead people for all I care, if your so in love with realism of death. Diablo isn't exactly placed on earth so I don't see reasons to complain.
However I'll give credit to the changes suggested as being well placed. Blizzard has long been obsessed with those damn siko green and blue colours; and they're not sick as in scary sick they're just annoying, just like their over use of brightness now and then. But what ever, I'm not really going to bother with any of those petitions... as far as I'm concern it's in everyone best intrest both versions have a place; not everyone plays the game to get scared and it gets annoying after a while not being able to see in front of you, but the other side, who wants it to be a kiddy game anyway.
tenken627
2008-07-02, 17:17
Dark isn't scary, it's going into the first area in Diablo 1 and open the door into the Butcher's Room and doing a naked corpse run.
The only thing that really scares me in D2 was actually Duriel in Act II.
Yeah, running into the Butcher and hearing "Ahhh! Fresh Meat!" and getting chased was probably the only time I really jumped playing the first Diablo. :heh:
Diablo II didn't really have anything that I jumped at, the settings was so much more action-oriented, even if they tried to recreate the Butcher with the Smith and Hephasto the Armourer in D2.
I hope the PvP in D3 is going to be good. They so killed D2's PvP with LoD.
Enigma was the worst thing ever for D2 PvP. I hope they never make any armor like that again.
lol I still remember the hidden video of the butcher hacking at something. I admit, that was creepy. And yes, in D1 he was the only thing that made me jump lol.
gabbytay
2008-07-02, 22:26
I hope this game is scary when playing it at Night with the lights off like D1 and D2
Diablo 1 was kinda scary the brief time I played it... about ten or nine years ago. Nowdays, games just don't scare me. They can surprise me, but not scare me. Neither Doom 3 nor FEAR scared me. So people who want to be scared by D3 but don't may just have reached that age where it's hard to get scared with games anymore.
The Internet Hates Diablo III.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/diablo-hate-internet.php
Quite a funny read if you've got a couple of minutes to spare that sums up a lot of the flak that DIII has been receiving :heh:
yezhanquan
2008-07-05, 21:45
The Internet Hates Diablo III.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/diablo-hate-internet.php
Quite a funny read if you've got a couple of minutes to spare that sums up a lot of the flak that DIII has been receiving :heh:
Really, for a game that's still a WIP, I think many people will eat their keyboards when it's done. (Let's not even think about the patches.)
It's sad that so many people judge Diablo III at this stage we have only been introduced to two characters and some game play and the map. Most of my gamer friends say its going to suck it was good the way it was and we've seen nothing at all I personally think the game is going to kick royal ass lol. Graphics are crazy seems like 3 classes merged into one for the troll looking dude, kinda weird and looks really over powered but still a kool class. And like Yezhanguan said tons of people will be at their keyboards even if they say it sucks. Fans of blizzard are fans of Blizzard ya know
ACSephiroth
2008-07-05, 22:18
I know this isn't exactly Diablo 3 related as much as its of the first game, but I was wondering, how come Tristram looked more like a town than the huge city it was supposed to be? At least I thought I read somewhere that Tristram had its own king and all, so where the castle?
I do believe that Tristram was a big town it just got invaded and they moved out and set out a camp if im not mistaking. I think were told that in the begining of the game how they where attacked and stuff. But yea most places where destroyed and just made little camps
ACSephiroth
2008-07-05, 22:37
I do believe that Tristram was a big town it just got invaded and they moved out and set out a camp if im not mistaking. I think were told that in the begining of the game how they where attacked and stuff. But yea most places where destroyed and just made little camps
Hmm, I remember some guy in the village telling you that in the beginning of the game. But if thats the case, where does the king live? In the church? :confused:
The Internet Hates Diablo III.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/diablo-hate-internet.php
Quite a funny read if you've got a couple of minutes to spare that sums up a lot of the flak that DIII has been receiving :heh:
It's no secret, the internet is full of idiots, trolls and spammers. :p
Hate?! that's just another form of love... :heh:
ACSephiroth
2008-07-06, 10:23
The king is dead. Lol
I was referring to before he was dead. It seemed to me at the very beginning of the game he might of still been alive unless I am mistaken.
It's sad that so many people judge Diablo III at this stage we have only been introduced to two characters and some game play and the map.
Well, I'm a bit skeptical about it because Blizzard is a big company and they want to reach as many customers as possible. This means that they want Diablo 3 to be playable by kids, adults, and their grannies.
The wallpapers (http://www.blizzard.com/us/diablo2/wallpapers/wall21.html) don't really say the opposite either. Reminds me of what Nintendo did to Metroid: gone is the dark and gritty atmosphere, replaced by shiny butts and pretty graphics. Unless someone here really believes that they will stamp it with "M" or 17+? Pff, the new WoW expansion is for 12+. We might be playing the same games as 12-year old kids.
Sure, the game can be great and I'm looking forward to testing it, but history repeats...
Most of my gamer friends say its going to suck it was good the way it was and we've seen nothing at all I personally think the game is going to kick royal ass lol.
I once read from somewhere that once you reach the achievement of your life, everything after it will be only a shadow of the original. A nice copy/expansion, but not the real deal.
If you're going to bring up wallpapers, you should pull out D3's wallpapers, not D2 ones done by that one artist:
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/
They look pretty gloomy to me.
EDIT: The achievement of your life thing makes no sense. It's the one thing that's your most crowning glory, but no one will truly know which event that was until your life is finished, and even then it's a lot up to individual interpretation.
tenken627
2008-07-06, 18:16
Hmm, I remember some guy in the village telling you that in the beginning of the game. But if thats the case, where does the king live? In the church? :confused:
King Leoric dies a little bit before the hero arrives in town. He was killed by his own knight after he becomes insane because of the archbishop (controlled by Diablo), and orders people in his castle and in town killed for petty reasons.
At the point where the hero arrives, Tristam is no longer the great town/city that it used to be before Diablo took control of the archbishop.
The king used to live in the castle I believe, but you never see the castle. Everything takes place in the cathedral and underneath it.
You do fight the undead King Leoric as one of the bosses in the catacombs.
In Diablo II, Tristam is destroyed and only Deckard Cain survives because the hero saves him in one of the quests. That quest takes you to a burning and demon filled Tristam.
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-07, 02:42
A little off topic but...
I just went to check out the Blizzard Diablo 3 forums and OMG. That forum is out of control and it doesn't seem likes the mods are doing anything about. Spammers run rampant and the community can hardly get a decent civilized discussion going without trying to rip each others heads. There seems be people trying to crash the forums too because I see this one author creating a billion threads and posts like ever 10seconds. That would probably explain why I keep getting an error message when I browse through the pages.
It just makes me appreciate good old Animesuki a lot more now. Anyways, moving along....
The Internet Hates Diablo III.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/diablo-hate-internet.php
Quite a funny read if you've got a couple of minutes to spare that sums up a lot of the flak that DIII has been receiving :heh:
Yep, that's pretty darn accurate of how the state official Diablo 3 forums is right now.
I could really care less about the graphics as long as the great Diablo style game play is there and improved.
Yep, that's pretty darn accurate of how the state official Diablo 3 forums is right now.
Eh... you should take a look at the state of WoW forums. You can sometimes find real jewels from there, but it's covered under so much ilk that you would need to ban majority of the trolls outright to be able to read anything worth half a thought. It all basically boils down to spamming, insulting, and undermining all reason just for the petty pleasure of it.
I guess that is the price of popularity...
Justice Knight
2008-07-07, 10:06
btw can any1 summarize the whole story till start of diablo 3? i only played D1 and D2 but no the expansion set so i have no idea what is baal and worldstone stuff.
krisslanza
2008-07-07, 11:12
btw can any1 summarize the whole story till start of diablo 3? i only played D1 and D2 but no the expansion set so i have no idea what is baal and worldstone stuff.
Eh in the end of The Lord of Destruction the angel (I forget his name. I know what it SOUNDS like but not how to spell it) had to destroy the Worldstone because Baal had corrupted it with his touch.
This is a super condensed version that skips Baal invading Mt. Arreat and stuff. Someone else can give you a better synopsis :heh:
FireBorn
2008-07-07, 12:00
I'm just hoping they bring back the atmosphere from the original Diablo. The second one was just sorely lacking in the creepiness department and not once did I really feel like I was being threatened. It devolved into a monster killfest unlike the first which actually filled you with fear. Nothing like walking into the catacombs and coming across 10+ acid-spitting dogs, or the caves with those horned demons that charged you, or the stormlords further on down. And the Butcher, who has been mentioned plenty of times. Nothing like his "AHHH FRESH MEAT!!!" cry to send a chill down your spine.
I really did like seeing that demonic creature popping out of that building though in the gameplay video though and it does build hope that we'll see a return to the atmosphere.
Why create a true sequel when you can create something that the majority will more easily digest and therefore buy? Unless it's as a reaction to the fan complaints regarding the art direction, nothing will be changed. The trailer almost makes the game seem like a parody of the original, with the idiotic and completely unfunny dialogue with Cain and terrible colors.
It's more bad hype. Or good hype, depending on how you look at it. As long as people can convince themselves that something in a game is good, they will buy it, regardless of whether they actually have any clue or whether it's better for the game or not. It's one of the largest problems with games today: there's no longer any care for atmosphere. Only the hype-tool known as immersion. The majority of people don't know anything about video-games but are convinced that they do. Hence why so many terrible games -- especially sequels -- sell so well.
At least Blizzard will make a lot of money. They've completely lost my respect, though. This game isn't Diablo at all.
Why create a true sequel when you can create something that the majority will more easily digest and therefore buy? Unless it's as a reaction to the fan complaints regarding the art direction, nothing will be changed. The trailer almost makes the game seem like a parody of the original, with the idiotic and completely unfunny dialogue with Cain and terrible colors.
It's more bad hype. Or good hype, depending on how you look at it. As long as people can convince themselves that something in a game is good, they will buy it, regardless of whether they actually have any clue or whether it's better for the game or not. It's one of the largest problems with games today: there's no longer any care for atmosphere. Only the hype-tool known as immersion. The majority of people don't know anything about video-games but are convinced that they do. Hence why so many terrible games -- especially sequels -- sell so well.
At least Blizzard will make a lot of money. They've completely lost my respect, though. This game isn't Diablo at all.
So you came to this conclusion from a 20 minute game play trailer of 2 small zones in Act 1. Sounds like you're looking through the past Diablo games with rose-colored glasses.
I'd suggest waiting for more information before jumping on the "This isn't like Diablo at all! WTF Blizzard?!?!" bandwagon before talking about any respect.
Bonta Kun
2008-07-07, 12:40
At least Blizzard will make a lot of money. They've completely lost my respect, though. This game isn't Diablo at all.
yea they will make loads of money, WoW just keeps selling and keeps getting bigger and bigger by the day:D
Whether or not I like Blizzard for taking my money on a monthly basis back when I played WoW. I have to hand it to em they do know how to make a game, you can't deny that. I do think D3 will be no expection, it will be great, it will sell by the bucket load and it will be great fun!
these days I think gamers what to be online with friends to tear it up with, which is what I'm looking for.
CAN'T WAIT!
Sounds like you're looking through the past Diablo games with rose-colored glasses.
No, he's just trying to be an attention-grabber. He appeals to the appeal to the common denominator and hype, and gives no substance to his arguments on colors and dialogue. Not to mention all this based on a twenty-minute gameplay video.
These people want a dark and gritty game but have no real clue what would make a good dark and gritty D3. Basically they don't know what they want but they whine for it anyway.
I can almost guarantee you that all of the people who are bashing D3 now will be playing it for months when it comes out. :heh:
btw can any1 summarize the whole story till start of diablo 3? i only played D1 and D2 but no the expansion set so i have no idea what is baal and worldstone stuff.
There is a Cain's Journal section on the official site that tells the story from D1 to D2 with the movies from the games included as an optional feature. It should satisfy your needs for the story.
Intresting... after seing everything again it all makes sense now.
So all this chaos we have now is cause by the destruction of the world stone in the last chapter. Hm, intriguing.
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-07, 18:26
There is a Cain's Journal section on the official site that tells the story from D1 to D2 with the movies from the games included as an optional feature. It should satisfy your needs for the story.
Oh yea, I read that journal and saw all the old in-game cut scenes. It was very nostalgic, but it's basically retelling the stories from Diablo 1-2. The setting/story is not told yet for Diablo 3 but there are theories.
D3 takes place 20 years after Diablo2 and LOD and that's all we officially know so far. People on other forums speculate that since the Tyrael shattered the world stone, heaven and hell can freely move about their forces in the human world. The world stone acted as a barrier shielding Sanctuary (name of the world) from the heaven and hell making nearly impossible for either forces to stay on Sanctuary except by special means via Soul Stones. The D3 forums also speculate that Diablo and his brothers weren't really in killed D2 but by destroying the Soul Stones the heroes banished the 3 Prime Evils back to hell for good. Now since the world stone is destroyed, I guess Diablo and his brothers are back knocking on Sanctuary's door.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-07, 19:26
I can almost guarantee you that all of the people who are bashing D3 now will be playing it for months when it comes out. :heh:
It's a hate-love relationship that sound minded players shouldn't think too much about. In the end, the people who trash the forums (any one) will just be a small percentage of the gamers, they're not going to stop Blizzard from trying to take over the world... :eyespin:
Seditary
2008-07-07, 19:51
if you hate it that much you can always lower the contrast and brightness of your monitor.
This.
I much prefer a vibrant world to play in than bland darkness where half the time I can't even see what's going on without making my screen stupidly bright like some places in D2, while others were ridiculously multicoloured (see the something awful baal pic)
There are better ways to convey a 'dark' mood than removal of colour and light. And having lots of colour in helps to bring out a better contrast to other sections which might be more hellish or 'dark' (blah at being at work and not able to kick my brain into bringing up a proper word)
There are better ways to convey a 'dark' mood than removal of colour and light. And having lots of colour in helps to bring out a better contrast to other sections which might be more hellish or 'dark' (blah at being at work and not able to kick my brain into bringing up a proper word)
Contrast is pretty much the correct word, and also what the devs seem to be aiming for. That and there are indeed other and often better ways to convey a dark mood---but this is all assuming the people complaining understand these two concepts. :p
FireBorn
2008-07-08, 00:01
No, he's just trying to be an attention-grabber. He appeals to the appeal to the common denominator and hype, and gives no substance to his arguments on colors and dialogue. Not to mention all this based on a twenty-minute gameplay video.
These people want a dark and gritty game but have no real clue what would make a good dark and gritty D3. Basically they don't know what they want but they whine for it anyway.
I can almost guarantee you that all of the people who are bashing D3 now will be playing it for months when it comes out. :heh:
No substance to my argument? I wasn't making the argument, seeing as it's already been made. There have already been things that have been asked for. There have been pictures that are edited to display precisely what is desired. They look quite a bit better, actually. So we don't know what we want? Alright, that's not true at all, but whatever. You're claiming us to be ignorant because "we don't know what we want", yet it's fairly clear to me that you haven't actually read the petition or many forum posts, as if you had then you would realize that we know exactly what we want.
And because I've complained about a game means it's ironic that I might play it? I don't get that. I still think the game will be fun, it's just that I don't respect the choices that Blizzard made in the games development. They're doing it for money: to appeal to the larger playerbase (wow players) rather than actual Diablo players.
So you came to this conclusion from a 20 minute game play trailer of 2 small zones in Act 1. Sounds like you're looking through the past Diablo games with rose-colored glasses.
Uh, how does the length of the trailer have anything to do with the complaints? First of all, they're inviting us to draw a direct comparison to earlier games when they use areas that were in earlier games of the series. Second of all, the purpose of a trailer is to showoff the game: if they're showing off only the brighter parts of the game, they're placing less of an emphasis on the darker mood of Diablo games. The very fact that such a bright, vivid and colorful area exists is problematic in the first place.
And no, I'm not looking with "rose-colored glasses". Diablo II had its problems as well. But there weren't any parts that were as colorful as there is in the new trailer. There weren't any rainbows. Besides that, I can't see how you can say this -- as if I've forgotten what the older Diablo games look like -- when I've loaded up both of the games quite recently. Not only that, but just about every argument regarding this comes with pictures directly comparing the games.
There are better ways to convey a 'dark' mood than removal of colour and light. And having lots of colour in helps to bring out a better contrast to other sections which might be more hellish or 'dark' (blah at being at work and not able to kick my brain into bringing up a proper word)
Even if there are better ways to convey a dark mood by removing the light and color (which isn't really what people are asking for, anyways), Blizzard isn't employing any of them. Did you sense any darkish moods in the trailer? Please don't refer to the fact that it's twenty-minutes: the dark mood of Diablo is something that made it great, and if it's not in the trailer then Blizzard has failed to realize that and needs to be told of it.
Besides that, the suggestions haven't really fallen into the category of simply removing color and light. Really, people need to read the arguments made before simply brushing them off. It's more getting rid of stupid colors like light blue and green and giving a more reddish tint than anything.
LoweGear
2008-07-08, 00:43
and if it's not in the trailer then Blizzard has failed to realize that and needs to be told of it.
If it's not in the trailer it means Blizzard didn't feel it necessary to add it in there. That's all there is to it. You're not gonna show all your chips in a trailer would you?
It's a single trailer for a game that isn't even finished (it isn't even in Beta phase). Your arguments would be valid were these the only clips from a completed and already selling product, but it's not. They have LOTS of time to develop and and redevelop the engine and palettes as they see fit.
Before I start, I would like to thank anyone that would take their own time to read my entire post. I will try and make it as constructive as possible.
Ok, after a nice amount of thinking and research, I've come to a decision.
EDIT THE COLOR PALETTE.
Some of the good "how it should be" pics are not on this board so I will ask everyone to direct themselves to the official D3 forums and check out this topic:
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d3-general&t=223&p=1&#post223
I have 3 pics I would like to comment on.
1 - http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=makeluvnotwarcraftzs3.jpg
Im pretty sure the top section of that pic is a fan edited one. So why do i prefer this? First let's take a look at the steam below the barb. Someone please tell me why blue steam would make more sense than the greyed? Unless we get to travel down there, it should be at a standard which would be the typical grey/white.
Now let's look at the floor and the walls. With the blue gone they look more realistic and old. Giving the sense that you are in an old decaying dungeon. Now this pic is not at all hard to see and does not need an increase to your brightness and contrast.
2 - http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8366/contrastqj1.jpg
Now there is not much I can say about this pic because it seems this area is graphicly unfinished. In the BEFORE pic there is no sandy texture. You have a pale and "hard to see" orange tree leaves instead of "easy to see" red leaves in the AFTER pic. Now I don't know about the rest of you, but for me, the skeletons are ALOT harder for me to see in the BEFORE pic.... Everything is much too blurred and smoothed and it makes anything and everything bleed into each other. If these skeletons are coming out of the ground, then it's makes more sense for the grass to look more dead now doesn't it? But like I said, this area looks unfinished.
3 - http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo3proper01hh6.jpg
This will be short. There is not much to say about this, its basicly like pic #2 with a bit more to talk about. The two most noticeable things are the rocks and the ground. I really hope the "how it looks like" pic is not the finished product... You can't seriously tell me you would prefer that over the real looking rocks in the "how it should look" pic. Same goes for the ground, you can see the tiny little crystalized sand. The current version is all smooth and bland. Once again though, it just looks like an unfinished area.
So in conclusion, its not about making it "darker" its about editing the color palette. Nobody wants to have to raise their brightness and contrast just so they can play a game, that's annoying! I think all the complaints are about just changing it from a happy looking colorful game into keeping the same style as D1 and D2 with it being easier to see in the dungeons.
BTW, I saw it but never thought about it until FireBorn mentioned it. Rainbows??? Unless that's in an area where there are living things and you are near by to a waterfall. You should not be seeing rainbows when chopping off heads from the undead... Come on people... you gonna seriously say that's NOT out of place?
But I'm aware the game is not finished so I'm not gonna waste my time and complain. I just wanted to say how I feel it should be and how it's going in the wrong direction. I'm sure the gameplay will be great and I will be getting this no matter what (unless there is activation to play single player). But that does not mean I have to accept looking at a cartoon colored game while being viciously violent killing stuff =/.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-08, 01:02
BTW, I saw it but never thought about it until FireBorn mentioned it. Rainbows??? Unless that's in an area where there are living things and you are near by to a waterfall. You should not be seeing rainbows when chopping off heads from the undead... Come on people... you gonna seriously say that's NOT out of place?
Wasn't that scene in the outdoor forest?
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Anyway, isn't this (not you in particular) all just one big fuss over something that's not even close to completion?
I mean, do people really have nothing better to do than to complain about colour of all things?
Seriously? Not class, not monsters, but colour?
Seditary
2008-07-08, 01:14
Hurray for a sharpen filter!
I gotta laugh, complaining about D3 being cartoonish, when its in the same vein as D1 and D2.
LoweGear
2008-07-08, 01:18
While the areas in D3 are undoubtedy brighter than the in D2 (haven't seen D1), it's not as if D3's the technicolor skittles palette that it's being claimed to be. It actually looks more like a canvas painting animated.
I see it having more colors as being the result of the better technology allowing for much more subtle and more interesting design choices in terms of color. Remember that the D3 team now has better graphics technology to build on to render the game - why waste it's potential?
Besides, it's not as if they're not gonna provide you with an option to reduce the gamma and brightness ingame >.>
yezhanquan
2008-07-08, 01:29
Wasn't that scene in the outdoor forest?
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Anyway, isn't this (not you in particular) all just one big fuss over something that's not even close to completion?
I mean, do people really have nothing better to do than to complain about colour of all things?
Seriously? Not class, not monsters, but colour?
All info are sorely lacking.
yet it's fairly clear to me that you haven't actually read the petition or many forum posts, as if you had then you would realize that we know exactly what we want.
I've seen plenty of posts about the subject, and I've read the petition (or one of), and they all clamor for two things: more darkness, and no cartoony graphics.
The art style in the D3 gameplay trailer doesn't strike me as very cartoony. Then again, I've seen many, many different art styles in movies, TV, games, books, etc, so it could be cause I've seen styles way more cartoony than the one in D3, or just that my broad experience in art styles has made me more appreciative of each style for its own benefits, rather than by making crude and blunt judgements based on comparisons to what I selfishly believe is ideal.
As for dark, my answer remains the same: you people have no clue what you're going on about.
1. We've only seen two environments so far. The dungeon may seem unfrightening because perhaps it is in reality just an average dungeon. And the outside area seems just like what it seems to actually be: an average outdoor forest-like enviro in a relatively untainted land.
2. I see mentions of the previous games' light radius system. In real-life, you do not have an arbitrary circle around you that dictates your range of vision. What determines range of vision is the intensity of light, which is why we may be unable to see more than twenty feet in front of us at some points during the night but can see stars thousands of light years away. Thus, a much more realistic way of handling lighting would be to use actual sources of light, such as torches, glowing architecture, and so on to dictate range of vision. It also allows for more dramatic presentation through controlling exactly where light falls on an area.
3. Too much dark is possible, and you'll have a flat, monotone look throughout the game. Plus with so much grimness and darkness throughout the game, you lose the impact from more important locations in the game, which brings to my next point:
4. Contrast. Contrast makes things interesting. You have light areas, dark areas, and light areas in the beginning of the game can make the truly dark areas later on stand out that much more. All those petitioners seem incapable of grasping this concept of impact through contrast.
So you see, my point stands. You people do have no clue what you want because if you knew all of the above, you'd realize the consequences and implications of making the game dark, dark, dark throughout its entirety. However, since you don't know you complain that the game isn't dark enough without thinking it through.
And because I've complained about a game means it's ironic that I might play it? I don't get that. I still think the game will be fun, it's just that I don't respect the choices that Blizzard made in the games development. They're doing it for money: to appeal to the larger playerbase (wow players) rather than actual Diablo players.
You must feel special to consider yourself a real Diablo player. Do you know how the Wii was so successful? By appealing to a broader spectrum of potential gamers. Perhaps Blizzard is trying to do the same with D3. You might consider it appealing to the lowest denominator. Or think, "How dare Blizzard try to reach out and entertain more people! I'm special! They should only entertain me!!"
You know, there was a time when I hated it when developers broadened their products, and too accused developers of appealing to the lowest common denominator. But then I matured.
Even if there are better ways to convey a dark mood by removing the light and color (which isn't really what people are asking for, anyways), Blizzard isn't employing any of them. Did you sense any darkish moods in the trailer? Please don't refer to the fact that it's twenty-minutes: the dark mood of Diablo is something that made it great, and if it's not in the trailer then Blizzard has failed to realize that and needs to be told of it.
Besides that, the suggestions haven't really fallen into the category of simply removing color and light. Really, people need to read the arguments made before simply brushing them off. It's more getting rid of stupid colors like light blue and green and giving a more reddish tint than anything.
Again, and again it apparently needs to be said: Only. Two. Environments. Were. Shown.
Secondly, you say that removing light and color isn't really what people are asking for, and then you say that it's more getting rid of stupid colors like light blue and green. Do you see why I say you guys have no clue what you really want?
And you'll notice that Diablo 1 took place almost entirely in a dark, tainted dungeon with barely any indoor lighting. Perhaps the game felt dark in look and mood because err, I don't know.... it was actually dark? As in almost no light whatsoever?
As I said, there are other ways to convey a dark mood than by blanketing the entire game in dark lighting and colors. Story and events. level design. Enemies. Music. All of these can be used to ingrain a dense of gloom into the player. The important thing is to use them in the right places, and to give contrasting elements such as some brighter and more optimistic environments for those truly dark areas to stand out from.
I'm afraid though that this extremely basic concept of contrast eludes a good lot of you, so I don't know how effective trying to elaborate on it will be.
Oh my god!!! What have I and my fellow intellectuals been doing trying to argue with people who are probably only a step or two away from the typical Blizzard forumgoer?!?!?! :D :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-08, 01:48
Oh my god!!! What have I and my fellow intellectuals been doing trying to argue with people who are probably only a step or two away from the typical Blizzard forumgoer?!?!?! :D :heh:
Oh don't mind the rest of us... Read your posts is some what entertaining... I mean, enlightening :nod:
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-08, 01:54
This.
I much prefer a vibrant world to play in than bland darkness where half the time I can't even see what's going on without making my screen stupidly bright like some places in D2, while others were ridiculously multicoloured (see the something awful baal pic)
There are better ways to convey a 'dark' mood than removal of colour and light. And having lots of colour in helps to bring out a better contrast to other sections which might be more hellish or 'dark' (blah at being at work and not able to kick my brain into bringing up a proper word)
I agree. That is one of the reasons why I like the vibrant contrasting colors of D3. In D2, if you were in a tomb like the ones in Act3 it was dark as heck sometimes and it was getting in the way of my game play.
yezhanquan
2008-07-08, 02:03
Oh my god!!! What have I and my fellow intellectuals been doing trying to argue with people who are probably only a step or two away from the typical Blizzard forumgoer?!?!?! :D :heh:
:heh:
Aye. For the time being, I'm busy somewhere else.
1 - http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=makeluvnotwarcraftzs3.jpg
Im pretty sure the top section of that pic is a fan edited one. So why do i prefer this? First let's take a look at the steam below the barb. Someone please tell me why blue steam would make more sense than the greyed? Unless we get to travel down there, it should be at a standard which would be the typical grey/white.
Now let's look at the floor and the walls. With the blue gone they look more realistic and old. Giving the sense that you are in an old decaying dungeon. Now this pic is not at all hard to see and does not need an increase to your brightness and contrast.
2 - http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8366/contrastqj1.jpg
Now there is not much I can say about this pic because it seems this area is graphicly unfinished. In the BEFORE pic there is no sandy texture. You have a pale and "hard to see" orange tree leaves instead of "easy to see" red leaves in the AFTER pic. Now I don't know about the rest of you, but for me, the skeletons are ALOT harder for me to see in the BEFORE pic.... Everything is much too blurred and smoothed and it makes anything and everything bleed into each other. If these skeletons are coming out of the ground, then it's makes more sense for the grass to look more dead now doesn't it? But like I said, this area looks unfinished.
3 - http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diablo3proper01hh6.jpg
This will be short. There is not much to say about this, its basicly like pic #2 with a bit more to talk about. The two most noticeable things are the rocks and the ground. I really hope the "how it looks like" pic is not the finished product... You can't seriously tell me you would prefer that over the real looking rocks in the "how it should look" pic. Same goes for the ground, you can see the tiny little crystalized sand. The current version is all smooth and bland. Once again though, it just looks like an unfinished area.
Those are just altered images. Please alter the gameplay video and then come and show it to me. Chances are it will now look pixelated as they move around because of the sharpaning. You can't just have a perfect picture and perfect animation, motion need a little blur to make things look smooth.
1) According to Diablo 1 tradition places with deamons aminate with demonic light, they are not going against tradition by using the blue/green tone. For what's worth the other version looks less diabloish because it just expresses a feeling of emptiness. Getting surprised by deamons isn't diablo; that's just your standard nowadays horror fics. In diablo you are somewhat concious something is there, and the deamons welcome you!
2) This is just a stupid oversharped image. No matter how good you get it you can always photoshop it into a better version. :p I bet that thing looks like complete junk animated, just look at the clouds from the spell. Sure, it might look closer to Diablo 1, but is the point really to use inferiour graphics?
3) The rocks in the altered are unrealisticly stupid. That's the effect of excessive drout and yet there's tones of grass? They also look like they've been carved and placed there from what great detail they have on them. Face it, rain wins over rocks and makes them smooth. A lot of grain, I'm personally going to just go against making the image worse to make it better since if that effect is placed into animation it looks like complete junk; it's close to the effect you get by wathing tv with a bad antena.
A Diablo clone, Dungeon Siege 2, has a good example of the contrast thing I'm talking about. Most of the rest of the game takes place in lush jungles, or dry deserts, but the last level is a dark, metallic fortress situated on top of a giant, volcanic mountain. The sky's red, it's dark, and there's ash raining down everywhere. The interior is cramped, filled with dried blood and skeletons, and there are really ugly things walking up and down its corridors that you have to fight.
When I first arrived there the impact was really strong. It was like hell on earth, and the comparatively brighter and prettier portions of the rest of the game made the initial impression really stand out. You fight through a huge amount of enemies, and then near the end you literally climb this looooong series of steps under a rain of falling ash, fighting through boatloads of enemies before finally arriving at the temple holding the last boss.
The point is, I definetly knew that this place was serious business, and there was real tension and anticipation for the final encounter as I made my way through the whole level. If the whole game was dark and somewhat hellish, I highly doubt that last stage would've made as much of an impression.
Plus, I had a feeling that I had actually progressed through the story. By going from peaceful beginnings, to this hellish climax, there's a real feeling that you've struggled through a story and are now at the great ending.
DS2 is a pretty awesome game by the way. Waaaaay better story and characters than Diablo 2, but the gameplay isn't as good. (Party and pet mechanics are great, but you have poor variety of spells and abilities, and you tend to use only one set of skills for your whole party per run. Abilities have a really good oomph to them though, but Diablo 3 will be pulling ahead in that department it looks like)
And many of the bosses are pitifully easy. :p (DS2's Act 1 boss is the biggest joke of an act boss in the history of Diablo clones, most likely)
EDIT2: Of course, it's not good to go the opposite direction and have only one hellish area either. I'm hoping each act in D3 has its own really grim area, with subsequent acts having bloodier, more hellish areas. Of course, with the inclusion of Heaven we could also have a chance for a visual culture shock in the complete opposite direction as well.
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-08, 04:51
Of course, with the inclusion of Heaven we could also have a chance for a visual culture shock in the complete opposite direction as well.
For all we know, Heaven might actually be even worse than hell :p
Maybe not brimstone and fire, but I'm almost certain it's not green fields and blue sky.
LOL... I just find it funny how people are complaining about rainbows...
seaghyn16
2008-07-08, 07:16
"I'm blinded by rainbows...."
-Rolling Stones ^_^
LOL... I just find it funny how people are complaining about rainbows...
*still clueless where this rainbow is suppose to be in the video*
:heh:
You guys forget. The rainbow complaint has value :heh:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7491/1214822230612ar0.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1214822230612ar0.jpg)
And while the Bnet forums was brought up:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5255/99830418il6.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99830418il6.jpg)
happened almost immediately after the D3 forums went public. It went for a good 20 or so pages :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-08, 10:10
Like I've said... Nothing else better to do >.>
krisslanza
2008-07-08, 10:19
You need some "good" areas to make the "bad" areas really have an impact (as mentioned above).
For my example... Whose played Guild Wars? Remember in the start its all lush, green, and brimming with life? Then BAM. Its a charred wasteland. It had a major impact on me to the point I made a new character so I could see all the life again D:
Seditary
2008-07-08, 18:21
A Diablo clone, Dungeon Siege 2, has a good example of the contrast thing I'm talking about. Most of the rest of the game takes place in lush jungles, or dry deserts, but the last level is a dark, metallic fortress situated on top of a giant, volcanic mountain. The sky's red, it's dark, and there's ash raining down everywhere. The interior is cramped, filled with dried blood and skeletons, and there are really ugly things walking up and down its corridors that you have to fight.
When I first arrived there the impact was really strong. It was like hell on earth, and the comparatively brighter and prettier portions of the rest of the game made the initial impression really stand out. You fight through a huge amount of enemies, and then near the end you literally climb this looooong series of steps under a rain of falling ash, fighting through boatloads of enemies before finally arriving at the temple holding the last boss.
The point is, I definetly knew that this place was serious business, and there was real tension and anticipation for the final encounter as I made my way through the whole level. If the whole game was dark and somewhat hellish, I highly doubt that last stage would've made as much of an impression.
Plus, I had a feeling that I had actually progressed through the story. By going from peaceful beginnings, to this hellish climax, there's a real feeling that you've struggled through a story and are now at the great ending.
DS2 is a pretty awesome game by the way. Waaaaay better story and characters than Diablo 2, but the gameplay isn't as good. (Party and pet mechanics are great, but you have poor variety of spells and abilities, and you tend to use only one set of skills for your whole party per run. Abilities have a really good oomph to them though, but Diablo 3 will be pulling ahead in that department it looks like)
And many of the bosses are pitifully easy. :p (DS2's Act 1 boss is the biggest joke of an act boss in the history of Diablo clones, most likely)
EDIT2: Of course, it's not good to go the opposite direction and have only one hellish area either. I'm hoping each act in D3 has its own really grim area, with subsequent acts having bloodier, more hellish areas. Of course, with the inclusion of Heaven we could also have a chance for a visual culture shock in the complete opposite direction as well.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten Diablo 2 did this a lot. In pretty much all of the first 3 acts. Act 4 was in hell and doesn't count.
Plus, I got some really funny looks at work cause I looked at that rainbow picture and just cracked up at the last line.
'In addition, the rainbow is upside down.'
@Cats: I think you misunderstood me a bit. As I said, for pic 2 and 3 I'm pretty sure those official pictures are unfinished areas so I can't really make a proper comment on them. All I stated was where things need improvement. Please don't assume that I'm saying I want it to look EXACTLY like the edited pictures...
I was never implying the players should be "omg that scared me!" to feel like they're playing a horror game. I just want things to make a little more sense and feel more natural. If they really decide to keep it this way I'm not going to get all huffy and puffy. I'm getting this either way, mainly for the gameplay. I'm not one to bicker about "omg I hate this cause the graphics suck!". I "would like it" if what I was looking at didn't have an unnatural feel.
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-08, 19:41
*still clueless where this rainbow is suppose to be in the video*
:heh:
At 14:00-14:30 and 12:20-12:25 of the game play video.
12:20-12:25 - Rainbow on the upper right corner of the screen.
14:00-14:30 - Rainbow near the top center of the screen.
Edit: Nvm, there was only 1 rainbow.
seaghyn16
2008-07-08, 20:41
I don't know about you, but after 20 years of no demons, or hordes of monsters, it seems like the world of Sanctuary would be a little more lush, lively. The hordes are just now starting to reappear, and the land has yet to feel the total effect of complete demolishilazation. (firefox says that's not a word...)
There is also a kind of underlying...fear, at seeing such a lively environment...Can such a lush place be so full of evil? Just where is safe? As the game progresses, there's no telling. Perhaps the game world will become brighter, while moving along the way to Heaven, while showing an even more sinister contrast as the path diverges into the pits of the hellions. The soft glows in the lighting give off an eerie feel of decayed and rotting bodies, and their particles in the air, the light from the torches illuminating them with a sickly strange color...
Darkness doesn't have to be black for it to be black, it's the feel of the area...
Also, it may be that their trying to cater to people such as myself, that don't necessarily see this game as a horror game, but an adventure into a world filled with mystery, intrigue, demonic creatures, and heavenly bodies. Horror stuff if more like surrealistic drugs hyped up with violence and sex, bedraggled hair and bodies, and that scary person coming at you with an axe while you sit an cower in a corner because your a little turd....muahahahaha. Anyway, I kind of like the way the game is headed, it's also interesting to see it looking a little bit like WoW with the graphics. I don't know about you, but WoW has CONTENT. The graphics are simply a new way of displaying this.
Look at the Legend of Zelda, Wind Waker. No one liked the graphics at first. WTH? But in the end, the gameplay was of elite quality, the story-line, etc etc. The graphics gave the game it's new feel, and it was great.
Diablo III, I'm personally looking forward to it.
Daniel E.
2008-07-08, 20:57
I dont think my current computer would be able to run this game. >_<!
With a bit of luck, I'll have a new one before the game actually hits stores. :D
You guys forget. The rainbow complaint has value :heh:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7491/1214822230612ar0.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1214822230612ar0.jpg)
Very, very funny. :p
Seditary
2008-07-09, 00:09
I dont think my current computer would be able to run this game. >_<!
With a bit of luck, I'll have a new one before the game actually hits stores. :D
Luckily I just got a new one a couple of days after D3 was announced. :cool:
Luckily I just got a new one a couple of days after D3 was announced. :cool:
Be ready to get a new one again once it's finally released in X years time... :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-09, 04:58
Just to be safe, if your computer can play Supreme Commander, it can play anything! :nod:
And that's my goal!
krisslanza
2008-07-09, 09:06
Just to be safe, if your computer can play Supreme Commander, it can play anything! :nod:
And that's my goal!
Don't you mean Crysis? :nod:
If you can play that you can play anything! :heehee:
Chaos2Frozen
2008-07-09, 09:58
Don't you mean Crysis? :nod:
If you can play that you can play anything! :heehee:
Well, that too, but I got first-hand experience on how 'demanding' Supreme Commander is :heh:
Bonta Kun
2008-07-09, 22:56
yea if ur computer can play either Supreme Commander or Crysis ur good to go
.........as long as u don't have Vista, its just a devils cruse it is!
surprsing in that RPGs never really push a computer to its limits(current gen games with current gen computers that is, I know a RPG these days could blow up a computer of yester year or when ever:D)
Daniel E.
2008-07-09, 23:53
Be ready to get a new one again once it's finally released in X years time... :heh:
Lol, I was thinking something similar.
Wich to pick first, Playstation 4 or Diablo III. :p :heh: :heh:
Don't you mean Crysis? :nod:
If you can play that you can play anything! :heehee:
Assassin's creed's requirement is "larger" than Crysis'. Some people that can play Crysis can't play Assassin's creed rofl.
Actually Diablo III is more than capable of continuing the series. They don't even need a boss that makes perfect sense. They could just as easily bring Deckard Cain back (which they did, actually... Still alive somehow? Suspicious no?) and reveal him to be some sort of super-evil demon boss.
Diablo fans would clap their hands and smile. The reason for this is: Diablo sequels don't need to add more than items, classes, graphics, and the etc. we've come to love.
That may sound a bit bland... But can you honestly say you wouldn't buy Diablo III for the coop, classes, new everything, better graphics, and new things to kill? Diablo II still has a huge fanbase even after all this time. Regular and expansion.
Edit: I bought Assassin's Creed on the 360. Great game, best level design I've ever seen in there... Oh wow... That game just blew me away I can't believe so many people disliked parts of it. Though I admit, the quests were terrible. Doing the same things over and over again gets repetative.
I can play Crysis! I'm one of the only people on Supreme Commander that's not too much of a wuss to play 80x80 maps either. World Domination anyone? :P
^
While most would probably be getting the game without a doubt, I'm pretty sure most if not all of us would like to be impressed by it rather than being let down by it instead. Whether it be through lore or gameplay or any other aspect of the game. Blizzard always wants to make a classic remember :)
Anyway while we're on the topic of computer requirements, I'm afraid unless we all get end-of-line-high-spec-machines the chances of having useable corpses in D3 are looking slim... =/
The main reason for the corpses not being able to stay permanently is the potential number of them on screen at one time, and specifically that each corpse is affected by physics, allowing them to be blasted and thrown all over the place by the force of player abilities.
It's one of the trade offs when integrating new technology, you can get really awesome effects, but they do have a cost. In a 2D world, a sprite of a dead creature doesn't really cost any more (system requirement-wise) than a sprite of something that's alive. Probably less. In a 3D world where a creature dies and then needs to have physics calculations thrown onto it so it can bounce and fall and fly around, they cost substantially more.
We remember fondly those situations where you've just completely obliterated a camp of Fallen, and as you're picking up items - marvel in your destruction. That's a feeling and part of the gameplay where if we can realistically keep some of it without sacrificing features or having insane system requirements we'd definitely like to, but no promises.
Sources:
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d3-general&t=221924&tmp=1#post221924
In case the battlenet forums ain't your fancy ;)
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12522
Kinda disappointing imo, I'd much rather have useable corpses and a wider array of skills as opposed to fancy death animation if you ask me... =/
Fancy death animation? I personally relish the thought of blowing ghouls off of bridges, smashing zombies into furniture and walls, oooooooh the thought itself is getting me turned on....
I like "corpse explosion"... that was awesomeness at its finest :D
Wandering_Youth
2008-07-17, 06:08
Fancy death animation? I personally relish the thought of blowing ghouls off of bridges, smashing zombies into furniture and walls, oooooooh the thought itself is getting me turned on....
Hehe, I had moments like those with other games and most of them were LOL moments. I find the interactivity you get from killing enemies or some the environment really fun.
Indeed interactive corpses do make for great LOL moments and are overall very nice eye candy, but that's just all the more reason against disappearing corpses don't you think? :)
Beside the rainbows and glittery fairy fields, the real questions is... Will we see naked succubi? And if we do, will they still run away as much as in D1.
Pesky buggers, always making me chase after them. :D
ACSephiroth
2008-07-17, 12:46
Beside the rainbows and glittery fairy fields, the real questions is... Will we see naked succubi? And if we do, will they still run away as much as in D1.
Pesky buggers, always making me chase after them. :D
I was disappointed in the lack of Succubi in D2, but then we had Andarial for a replacement. Though I thought succubi were supposed to come towards you, not away for you :heh:
Well they don't like it when you run toward them with big pointy things. Well maybe they do.
But not THAT big.
Succubi in 3D... that's something rather... interesting... :p
Succubi in 3D... that's something rather... interesting... :p
Game will probably get an M rating anyway, so why not? :p
But seriously I dunno. You'd have to pack some decent polygon count to get something other than super-pointy breasts.
They could have a "Is naked?" option in the quality section. :p
krisslanza
2008-07-19, 10:56
Beside the rainbows and glittery fairy fields, the real questions is... Will we see naked succubi? And if we do, will they still run away as much as in D1.
Pesky buggers, always making me chase after them. :D
This is the $100 question right? :D :heh:
And clearly the run because they're playing hard to get! :eyespin:
D3's Lead Designer comments on Fan-altered screenshots
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/04/...r-turns-tables/ (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/04/diablo-iii-designer-turns-tables/)
MTV Multiplayer: Just to be clear, are we going to see a lot more rainbows during the game?
Wilson: [laughs] After the announcement, one of our environment artists went to the darkest area in Act One and put a giant rainbow across the whole area. No, you’re probably not going to see a ton of rainbows. But we don’t think the one that’s in there is that big a deal. You know it’s like, it’s a waterfall. My favorite [criticism] is the one that analyzed the light refraction angle, and told us why from that angle seeing a rainbow would actually be impossible. Oh yeah, and it was upside down because the colors were reversed. And we’re like, “This is a whole different world than ours! Who’s to say that light refracts the same in the Diablo world?” [laughs]
We don’t think it’s that big a deal; we just think it adds a lot of interest to that scene. We don’t have specific plans to fill “Diablo” with rainbows. It’s not like we restarted the project and were like “Diablo III — now with rainbows!” Although I will say the pitch that I originally did, once we decided what we were going to do, said “Diablo III — now with pants.” Because we added a pants slot.
Interesting and insightful read/interview to say the least :p Also is anyone else apart from me anticipating a secret rainbow level now? :heh:
BTW for those who havn't heard yet, Blizzard last week officially stated they they intend to keep the art style and "that there was no going back now", despite the petition by fans to do so. http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/07/31/diablo-iii-designer-talks-colors/
EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention Blizz also plans to implement 'achievements' across all their newer games now, starting with D3, SC2 and WOW:WOTLK, I presume. I guess this was probably one of the 'awesome things' that had install for Bnet2? Can't say I'm enthusiastic about it to be honest. But meh, whatever I'll just ignore if i don't like it lol =P
Source: http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/08/blizzard_plans_achievements_across_all_games-2.html
I usually think developers arguing with fans can be risky, but this time it was pretty funny. All the reasons the dev makes are sensible ones, and fans who want the game to be more grim and dark have to look at the situation from a practical, developer standpoint as well as an artistic one and realize that many of their ideas just won't work in practice.
Knight Hawk
2008-10-10, 14:46
For those not keeping tabs with Blizzcon: Wizard is the next playable class! Woohoo~ :D
Wizard trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2azMHCaO_k&fmt=18
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/movies/wizard.xml Bada$$ :cool:
Also new MMO confirmed and the Warcraft movie is still being worked on.
Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/
Well shit, that's some really, really hard magic nukage going on with that wizard.
:love::love:
Bonta Kun
2008-10-11, 00:56
oh hell yeah! female wizard here I come!!!!:D
man I ssooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo can't wait for this!!!!
Mr Hat and Clogs
2008-10-11, 01:23
Wizard looks awesome, better then the Witch Doctor.. QQ, guess the Wizard is gona replace my Necromancer desire. Oh well, Magic Missile's hoooooo.
Unless the zon/rogue type class is impressive, I'll be playing a wizard too.
Wizard looks awesome, better then the Witch Doctor.. QQ, guess the Wizard is gona replace my Necromancer desire. Oh well, Magic Missile's hoooooo.
Nothing shall EVER overrule my necromancer desire.
But the wiz looks kinda awsome :/
Uh... isn't this just a renaming of the sorceress? Well, there seem to be some fun new spells and hopefully they've learned how to make an even better game in time since D2, but what was the point in renaming the class?
Sorceress sort of refers to using potions. On the other hand wizzard is all about spells.
The name sounds more Diablo universe-ish anyway.
LoweGear
2008-10-11, 04:37
Uh... isn't this just a renaming of the sorceress? Well, there seem to be some fun new spells and hopefully they've learned how to make an even better game in time since D2, but what was the point in renaming the class?
For one, they probably wanted a name that'll apply to both genders, since you do have the option to choose either the male and female version of each class. Having a male "sorceress" wouldn't really sound too good :heh:
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