View Full Version : Shakugan no Shana S OVA Series and Season 3 Anticipation Thread
relentlessflame
2009-06-01, 15:39
As reported on ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-06-01/new-shakugan-no-shana-anime-in-development-revealed) and elsewhere, the latest issue of Dengeki Bunko Magazine reveals that a new Shakugan no Shana anime project is in the works. This is most probably what Geneon was referring to (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-30/japanese-anime-firms-reveal-plans-for-coming-year) when they mentioned that "that much-loved series" would see a TV continuation this fall. The first Shana anime series aired in Fall 2005, with the sequel in Fall 2007.
Anyway, this thread is for expectations and predictions about this new anime project. Details will be announced in the coming weeks and months.
NOTE: YOU MAY NOT POST NOVEL SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD EVEN BEHIND SPOILER TAGS.
Edit: The new series was later revealed to be the Shakugan no Shana S OVA Series, to be released on BD/DVD beginning in October.
Wargumm1i
2009-06-01, 15:40
I just cant believe it :D I really do hope this is the 3rd season, since the 1st was great and the second was also.
I'm down for more Shana of any kind. ^^
Also, must has image on ANN report in higher res. O_O
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-01, 15:47
I'd prefer to see a remake instead of a third season, but hey.
Bring it on, I might actually finish it this time.
As long as they don't make another Konoe, it'll be great
Best thing about a 3rd season:
More Kazumi!
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
We know Yuji picked you over that tsundere! He just picked you in his heart, because if he did in real life, he'd be burned up by Shana! He loves you, Kazumi! Don't give it up!
Game8910
2009-06-01, 16:26
More Kazumi!
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
We know Yuji picked you over that tsundere! He just picked you in his heart, because if he did in real life, he'd be burned up by Shana! He loves you, Kazumi! Don't give it up!
I should shoot you :uhoh:
Already read it on Sankaku Complex.
Hell yes, I'm dying for more of my beloved tsundere! ♥
Best thing about a 3rd season:
More Kazumi!
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
We know Yuji picked you over that tsundere! He just picked you in his heart, because if he did in real life, he'd be burned up by Shana! He loves you, Kazumi! Don't give it up!
Please don't start another Kazumi love/hate discussion... o.o I'd be careful if I were you. ^^
edit: See? *points at post above* xD
o some good news!, wonder when...early Q4 maybe
More seasons of Shana means more music by Mami Kawada means more things set on fire. (Not necessarily in that order.)
No problems here.
M.Marangio
2009-06-01, 16:57
I can't wait for a sequel.
Also, must has image on ANN report in higher res. O_O
It's a poster from the July issue of the Dengeki Bunko Magazine.
See http://dengekibunko.dengeki.com/new/dmmagazine_new.php
Hopefully it does not suck like second season. =/
Btw: Less Kazumi. She is more annoying than tsundere Shana >_>
Already read it on Sankaku Complex.
Hell yes, I'm dying for more of my beloved tsundere! ♥
Please don't start another Kazumi love/hate discussion... o.o I'd be careful if I were you. ^^
edit: See? *points at post above* xD
I was the one who started it S2. I will love her S3 too! XD
Yeah I just read this over at ANN. Good news and what some (most?) of us kind of expected after some hints were dropped.
I hope for the best with the new season, as I had some problems with the second. Material-wise, it should be a very interesting season.
Shadow Angel
2009-06-01, 19:03
If this is indeed a third season hope they follow more of the novels,
Zantetsuken
2009-06-01, 22:31
Late Q3 early Q4 anybody?:D
As there's more story to cover cuz of the novel, hopefully the story will be just like the novel. And maybe the finale will also be the ending to the story. Because it seems the novel are just about complete.
darktruth
2009-06-01, 23:10
This is most probably what Geneon was referring to (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-30/japanese-anime-firms-reveal-plans-for-coming-year) when they mentioned that "that much-loved series" would see a TV continuation this fall. The first Shana anime series aired in Fall 2005, with the sequel in Fall 2007.]
I don't think the magazine stated an air date for the new Shana project so I think what Geneon was referring to back then was the Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu anime as its second season starts airing this October (which should be around Fall).
I'm really curious on what this new anime project is as it could be a new season, a remake, an OVA, movie etc. Whatever it is, I'm sure there's gonna be a whole new wave of merchandise released from it and possibly more Shanatan extras:D.
relentlessflame
2009-06-01, 23:29
I don't think the magazine stated an air date for the new Shana project so I think what Geneon was referring to back then was the Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu anime as its second season starts airing this October (which should be around Fall).Yes, Nogizaka Haruka is airing this Fall, but personally I doubt that's what the "unnamed series that's loved by everyone" would be referring to. Nogizaka was popular enough, but it's not nearly as popular as Shana. Plus, as I said, Shana anime series have been released starting in the Fall every two years, so it only makes sense for the pattern to continue for Fall 2009. We'll see, of course, but that's where I'm placing my bets. :p
Looking forward about it and hope is the season 3
Zantetsuken
2009-06-02, 00:18
I bet...something that it's season 3.
The release pattern is right, then "unnamed series that's loved by everyone".
Should be the 3rd season. This year is great.
First Haruhi, then Shana and Gundam Unicorn. Just hope that my connection will be fast, cuz I'm moving out for college \.
Rising Dragon
2009-06-02, 00:25
Well, there was that prior announcement that we should keep our eyes peeled for a new Shana production.
Dammit, now I need to go redownload Shakugan no Shana 2nd, since I never got the chance to finish it before my computer got wiped. *grumbles*
Shinji103
2009-06-02, 00:30
It'll most likely be one of two things: a second "remake" movie, or a third season. But considering that a movie would be going back to material that was aired like 5 years ago (more than that though, if I recall correctly), I think they'd be smarter to go with season 3. And after season 2's ending? I'd have to shoot them if they didn't eventually make a season 3. :D
darktruth
2009-06-02, 01:10
Maybe, or maybe it's a second movie that is remaking the second season of the series XD. After all, quite a number of people seemed to dislike the first half of that season (although most of those were coming from western fans so I'd like to know what the Japanese fans thought of it).
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-02, 05:45
Maybe, or maybe it's a second movie that is remaking the second season of the series XD. After all, quite a number of people seemed to dislike the first half of that season (although most of those were coming from western fans so I'd like to know what the Japanese fans thought of it).
Crap is crap worldwide though, right?
yezhanquan
2009-06-02, 05:52
The anime has deviated heavily from the light novels, or so I heard. Reminds me of Zero no Tsukaima.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-02, 05:55
The anime has deviated heavily from the light novels, or so I heard. Reminds me of Zero no Tsukaima.
Which is why it desperately needs a remake.
JC Staff should never be trusted to make up plot.
Zantetsuken
2009-06-02, 07:05
But the endings for both seasons are fillers, and they're decent.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-02, 07:12
But the endings for both seasons are fillers, and they're decent.
The books are much much better.
Yeah, but, the entire Konoe arc was really bad. And filler. And bad.
yezhanquan
2009-06-02, 07:14
Which is why it desperately needs a remake.
JC Staff should never be trusted to make up plot.
With so much material at hand, I question why they would even want to make up plot. Are they too lazy to read the novels for the script?
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-02, 07:18
With so much material at hand, I question why they would even want to make up plot. Are they too lazy to read the novels for the script?
Apparently, (especially considering the Konoe arc) though a lot of anime directors do this.
It's like they feel as they can do a better job than the original authors can. But as another, well-known user on this forum has said, if they could do a better job they'd be novel authors/mangaka themselves, and not anime directors.
JC Staff in particular seems very guilty of this, though there are times when their additions and changes have actually improved the source material, like with Azumanga and Excel Saga.
It really depends on the competency of the director, I suppose.
Anyway, if all goes well, we might be seeing a remake, or at least an attempt to get back on track with the source material. I hope.
yezhanquan
2009-06-02, 07:21
Have to agree with Azumanga. One of the very few series where I'm not interested in the manga after watching the anime. Then again, I credit the seiyuu-tachi more than anything else.
But.. what the hell? The Excel Saga manga is still on-going? Lord...
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-02, 07:29
But.. what the hell? The Excel Saga manga is still on-going? Lord...
Which is why the anime is superior. Also Nabeshin.
Anyway, is there even enough content left for a third season of Shana? How many novels haven't they covered/skipped over yet? (That aren't short story collections, as I doubt we'll be seeing those.)
yezhanquan
2009-06-02, 07:42
At least, it's not loaded with fanservice, Zero-style... yet.
(But, Excel Saga runs in Shounen Gahosa's YK Ours. Hmmm...)
Which is why the anime is superior. Also Nabeshin.
Anyway, is there even enough content left for a third season of Shana? How many novels haven't they covered/skipped over yet? (That aren't short story collections, as I doubt we'll be seeing those.)
Volumes X, XV, XVI, XVII and XVIII have not been covered in the anime. XIX (which hasn't had a date announced) is likely to be the final novel with the way things are going, though this is not definite.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-02, 08:36
Volumes X, XV, XVI, XVII and XVIII have not been covered in the anime. XIX (which hasn't had a date announced) is likely to be the final novel with the way things are going, though this is not definite.
...That doesn't really seem like that much content, considering.
...That doesn't really seem like that much content, considering.
Material from earlier story arcs that hinted at and lead into the current and seemingly final arc of the novels was deliberately cut out of the first two seasons of the anime, so if anything they can bullshit with filler to explain important things for current events that they didn't put in previous adaptation of the storyline, just like they did with introducing the keeper by pilfering material from the game and giving the bullshit "Hecate hollow filling synch whatever made Yuji's PoE very large" explanation for Yuji being as powerful as a Lord. I actually prefer what they had in the novels, where the keeper was introduced in the Aizen siblings story where when Sydonay put his arm into Yuji, the keeper activated and ripped Sydonay's arm off and absorbed the PoE from the arm (and that being why Yuji is as powerful as a Lord).
Game8910
2009-06-02, 09:24
I kinda agree I dont want a third season filled with filler crap....I liked the way season 1 was set up (hell even the original ending was good) but the whole Konoe part was just painful....
I would actually love to see it as a remake which follows the plot closely. I mean why cant they? JC Staff did amazing at adapting Toradora! and are currently doing a fantastic job at adapting Hayate no Gotoku! Give the same treatement to Shakugan no Shana pls!!! I would hate to see this series go down the same path as Zero no Tsukaima
serenade_beta
2009-06-02, 09:38
Ho~h... A 3rd season, huh... Well, not really a big fan of the series, but it is a good thing that it is getting one. I just wonder how it will start after that end...
Please don't start another Kazumi love/hate discussion... o.o I'd be careful if I were you. ^^
What? So people who like Kazumi should just shut up? :eyebrow:
I think the ones that react to every single post supporting her with negative comments like the one below are in a far worse position...
The anime has deviated heavily from the light novels, or so I heard. Reminds me of Zero no Tsukaima.
Ah~, so following this formula, the third season will be even worse than the second season... <--fears...
koohyuko
2009-06-02, 11:49
Yes! I'm pretty excited about this. Hopefully we won't get another filler type arc like in season two. Not that it was that bad, just annoying. Maybe they can hop back on the novel tracks after their previous derailments. Especially with the possibility that the novels could be ending soon. There'd be no need to stall with fillers.
Deathscyther
2009-06-02, 13:24
This is good news, I've been waiting for more Shana:)
Hopefully it will be a new season. After all, they could follow the novels for the most part with the way they ended season 2.
Zantetsuken
2009-06-02, 18:03
The books are much much better.
Yeah, but, the entire Konoe arc was really bad. And filler. And bad.
That I agree wholeheartedly...
That makes me wonder, did the JC Team change personnel or something? The first season filler was so well done it didn't feel like a filler. While the 2nd season filler makes me want to kill Yoshida. (Granted, even the first season makes me want to kill her, but the 2nd seasond makes me more so.)
That makes me wonder, did the JC Team change personnel or something? The first season filler was so well done it didn't feel like a filler. While the 2nd season filler makes me want to kill Yoshida. (Granted, even the first season makes me want to kill her, but the 2nd seasond makes me more so.)
No, they retained the same core staff. Only those involved with the project would know why they went that direction (Lower costs? Better promotion for the characters, which benefits the Shana franchise as a whole?), but the decision wasn't necessarily made by the animation studio or production staff.
I would actually love to see it as a remake which follows the plot closely.
As a hunch, I suspect that with major properties, anime producers will favor the purist route more, given the shrinkage and narrowing of the market. I wonder how Shana might've turned out had production begun a few years later.
relentlessflame
2009-06-03, 07:30
No, they retained the same core staff. Only those involved with the project would know why they went that direction (Lower costs? Better promotion for the characters, which benefits the Shana franchise as a whole?), but the decision wasn't necessarily made by the animation studio or production staff.Yes, this is why these sorts of fan-rants always amuse me greatly. For all we know, the changes could have been made in collaboration with the original author, at the request of the novel publisher (to keep fans guessing/give them something unique) or whatever. But that doesn't stop the "parade of experts" here from coming in and trying to presume to tell the production committee how to do their jobs. And this for an anime that sold quite well. The irony of "if they knew how to write they'd be writers" from these armchair directors isn't lost on me... :heh:
As a hunch, I suspect that with major properties, anime producers will favor the purist route more, given the shrinkage and narrowing of the market. I wonder how Shana might've turned out had production begun a few years later.You're probably right about that; the expectation of the merchandise collectors seems to have shifted in favour of more literal/direct adaptations of the source. I wonder if this is in part a result of all the success Kyoto Animation has had with their various adaptations (which tend to be rather literal for the most part)? As I said above, Shana sold quite well in spite of the extra latitude they were provided in terms of the plot, but I agree that for the next season (especially if it's the last season) a more literal treatment would be sort of timely (since they could time it such that the last novel would release around the same time as the last episode). That being said, I still consider it possible that they could go the other way completely and somehow develop the anime and novels in different paths, but that seems less likely in this market. Times have changed...
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-03, 07:46
Yes, this is why these sorts of fan-rants always amuse me greatly. For all we know, the changes could have been made in collaboration with the original author, at the request of the novel publisher (to keep fans guessing/give them something unique) or whatever. But that doesn't stop the "parade of experts" here from coming in and trying to presume to tell the production committee how to do their jobs. And this for an anime that sold quite well.
I wouldn't be complaining if the changes had been good. They weren't.
It doesn't matter to me, personally, whether or not an anime was financially successful, I'm looking for a good story here.
The Konoe arc was just bad.
I'm... actually rather offended by your statements. Yes, I am telling the production committee how to do their jobs, because, well, from my perspective, I don't think they are doing their jobs.
That isn't to say I could do a better job myself, (I am in no way an anime production committee member) but I can tell when something is crap.
I'm not an 'expert', I'm an anime fan. I like to see good quality anime.
When an anime I previously enjoyed suddenly becomes terrible, exactly what else am I supposed to do but suppose the production committee isn't doing their jobs well enough?
Now this is going off topic and that will get me banned, so, um.
Yeah, that's why I'd like to see a faithful adaptation of Shana, because, well, it'd be great, not because I feel I myself could do a better job than the current production committee.
To my knowledge, they did in fact get assistance in writing the second season from the original author.
*goes to check* And yes, he is indeed credited as colaborating in composing the series.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-03, 07:55
To my knowledge, they did in fact get assistance in writing the second season from the original author.
*goes to check* And yes, he is indeed credited as colaborating in composing the series.
Then he has no idea what he's doing. :heh:
Screw it, if the Konoe arc was his idea I don't know what to think anymore.
Then he has no idea what he's doing. :heh:
Screw it, if the Konoe arc was his idea I don't know what to think anymore.
I still don't get the rage that just those 4 episodes get. I felt that season two's most inherent flaw was its lack of proper pacing.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-03, 08:16
I still don't get the rage that just those 4 episodes get. I felt that season two's most inherent flaw was its lack of proper pacing.
That too. :heh:
Though, that arc just felt like needless pandering. (Hey, Hecate is popular. Let's make her part of the main cast to satisfy the fanboys!)
I don't know other people's reasons, but that was mine. Also Yuji's harem was large enough.
relentlessflame
2009-06-03, 11:30
I'm... actually rather offended by your statements. Yes, I am telling the production committee how to do their jobs, because, well, from my perspective, I don't think they are doing their jobs.
That isn't to say I could do a better job myself, (I am in no way an anime production committee member) but I can tell when something is crap.
I'm not an 'expert', I'm an anime fan. I like to see good quality anime.
When an anime I previously enjoyed suddenly becomes terrible, exactly what else am I supposed to do but suppose the production committee isn't doing their jobs well enough?I suppose I'll indulge you just a little bit more by just saying this: has it really never occurred to you that just because you happen to not like something doesn't mean it's someone else's "fault"? If, according to you, the production committee didn't do their job right, but somebody else happens to love the stuff you hate, does that mean that those people have "objectively bad taste"? It's simply not all about you. Everyone has opinions and preferences, and just because you personally happen to not like something doesn't mean that somebody out there screwed up. Even if you find a dozen others who agree with you, that doesn't make it any more valid to tell working professionals that they're "not doing their jobs right". They don't report to you, they report to their patrons and customers, and just because you watch anime doesn't make you their customer.
The Second Season was fine and sold well. I'm sure the Production Committee will be quite happy with themselves if the next project sells just as well (after all, they're using past sales to justify continued projects). And all that's whether or not Kaisos Erranon thinks it's "crap". If you don't like it, your only option is to not buy; they have no obligation to make you happy. Expressing opinions is all fine and good, but they're just that: opinions. These blame games are just asinine.
Anyway, here's to hoping this new Shana project is as enjoyable as possible for everyone so we won't have to have this conversation again the next time around. :heh: (Then again, no matter what the subject in question, there will always be some who dislike it.) Here's also to hoping the release of the magazine will bring with it some new information so we can keep this thread on-topic. :p
darktruth
2009-06-03, 12:03
The Second Season was fine and sold well.
I suppose I'll take that as a sign that the Japanese fans liked season two. And to add just a bit more on what relentless has said, most, if not all, anime production companies could care less what fans outside of Japan thinks about their series (unless you're importing their Japanese DVD's and even then I doubt they'd care). They cater to their own local customers and focus on sales and ratings for their show and since it appears the second season sold well in Japan, I see that as not many Japanese fans thought season two was pure crap. All the opinions I've read of it being bad have been from fans outside of Japan so far.
relentlessflame
2009-06-03, 12:48
I suppose I'll take that as a sign that the Japanese fans liked season two. And to add just a bit more on what relentless has said, most, if not all, anime production companies could care less what fans outside of Japan thinks about their series (unless you're importing their Japanese DVD's and even then I doubt they'd care). They cater to their own local customers and focus on sales and ratings for their show and since it appears the second season sold well in Japan, I see that as not many Japanese fans thought season two was pure crap. All the opinions I've read of it being bad have been from fans outside of Japan so far.Well, I'm sure that there were people with all sorts of opinions in Japan as well. I'm not trying to say that the actual opinion of disliking something is totally unjustified or anything. But the average sales/volume were around 9,000 copies, which is just a bit under the ~10,600 average for the first series. This is a pretty average drop-off rate for sequel series, and I don't think would have caused any great concern among the producers. Of course, I'm not trying to claim that sales = quality (or "QUALITY"?), but at the same time I find it unfair to lay blanket blame and say it was crap. Everyone has their opinions.
It's the same sort of vitriol we see directed at Zero no Tsukaima, which also sold quite decently in all three seasons. It makes me think that it's a vocal minority who just always need to have something to blame when things don't live up to their personal expectations. *shrug*
I sure hope this is season 3. I also hope Kazumi dies in it ;D
Shinji103
2009-06-04, 01:46
I really couldn't possibly agree with relentless any more. And the insatiable urge by anime "fans" to do this whining and complaining and ranting when a show doesn't turn out the exact way they like it really never ceases to amaze me, nor does it cease to annoy and frustrate me. The simple fact that there's another production coming out is proof that the Shana did quite well; JC Staff, nor any other company, would make a sequel for a show that did as bad as some people here would like us to believe Shana S2 did. And while I find the irony in this, as relentless explained it, just as amusing, I also find it quite annoying as well.
It's just like with Nogizaka Haruka Season 2. The people here whine and complain "why is this series getting a seaond season," and ignore the fact that their opinions don't rule the world. NH is getting a season 2 because it did well in its first season. I personally am looking forward to NH S2 very much.
Even if this whole country rose up and said "we hate this show," they really couldn't care much less in Japan. We're not their primary market, just their bonus market. Call it a difference in taste or whatever works for you; your opinion isn't the law of the world.
Archon_Wing
2009-06-04, 02:16
Great news. The second season gave me so many mixed feelings, great when it was at is best, but so awful when it was bad. I will hope for the best, but will end up watching it anyways just because it is Shana. ;)
Rising Dragon
2009-06-04, 02:18
You know, I hadn't really known what this sub-forum was gonna be like since I arrived long after 2nd finished, and I was afraid it was gonna turn out just like the ZnT sub-forum. Judging by some reactions, looks like I had good reason to be afraid.
But I'm glad to see there's some people who support the anime despite it not holding "true" to the novels, and supporting the anime despite it getting a second season. Maybe I'll actually stick around this forum when this new production comes out, because showing support to the anime won't be a complete waste of time like it was for me over in ZnT.
So kudos to you, relentlessflame, Shinji103, and you other pro-anime people. I'm glad you restored some of my faith in ASuki.
Perosonally I hold nothing against S2. The only gripe I had was that the animation quality seemed like it was starting to slide; not sure if this is actually true but it just didn't seem to have the polish of previous episodes. Apart from that it was great.
I agree that producers in Japan couldn't care less about how people outside of Japan percieve their shows as to them such people are probably nothing more than leechers who don't even contribute TV ratings. Rambling or moaning is going to help you vent some steam and that's about purely it. (or judging by how long some of these things go on it doesn't even do that.)
@Rising Dragon: sorry, I was one of those who were less than elated at the anime adaption ^^; of course comparing the anime to the novels is always going to be a difficult task as they're different mediums and both have their own merits, but I just felt like the producers were turning up the more risque parts of the show far more than necessary and hitting the plot as a result. Still pretty enjoyable though (hearing the voices is something else entirely from just reading them)
Half the time going into something I have only the vaguest idea of what the source material is about, and even if I know something, I'm expecting a completely new experience on the screen regardless. It could be because I see a series more through its music (and as a sort of sub bylaw of that, by its characters. If I get to know the characters, I can appreciate their character songs. Unorthodox? Maybe. Will I stop seeing things that way? Unlikely.)
I never quite got how a story that happened in the anime first or happened differently is any less valid. The characters are still themselves, their adventures still committed to a medium of entertainment. The chance to see something new. How "a good adaptation = exactly the same" works is something I could never wrap my mind around. Word for word, page for page, frame for frame. After a while that must get a bit repetitive. Mediums will be different, and if the stories will be different, then I say let them be. I'm just here to enjoy the show.
Which is why, to swerve this right back into the topic (again), bring on Season III!
yezhanquan
2009-06-05, 01:48
On the issue of medium, anime has two things I'm looking out for: the cast and the music. If the songs are good, I can forgive to some extent, same with a strong cast. But, if it sucks to the extent which Samurai Deeper Kyo went to (ZnT is dangerously near that level), then I'm sorry to say that you're out, buster.
As a manga reader, I don't expect 100%. If the important lines are left inside, along with the tone of the series, I am happy. The Hellsing OVA is but one example. Reading the Major's "I Love War" speech? Impressive. Hearing Tobita Nobuo saying it? My hairs stood on end. Even for series like Lucky Star and K-On, it gives a good feel when you see the gags you read come to life.
Still, there is no definite word on what this new project is about. I'm staying tuned.
KimmyChan
2009-06-05, 04:13
This is sounding & looking very much promising like a 3rd Shana series is in the works :)
Marcus H.
2009-06-05, 09:34
I have no hard feelings against the Fumina Konoe filler arc, since IMHO it was done such that Hecate's failure at the end of Second is given more justification. I'm also psyched to see the third installment, since it will be there when the big stuff will be revealed.
I also hope an OVA dedicated to Mathilde, Wilhelmina and Merihim's time (present -600 years) just like in Shakugan no Shana: Eternal Song will be produced.
KimmyChan
2009-06-05, 10:04
You're right, a Shana OVA featuring one of the supporting characters would be pretty sweet :)
Nietono no Shana
2009-06-05, 13:24
I also hope an OVA dedicated to Mathilde, Wilhelmina and Merihim's time (present -600 years) just like in Shakugan no Shana: Eternal Song will be produced.
Good Idea! I Love the Eternal Song story. Mathilde is very awesome :bow:
Game8910
2009-06-06, 00:09
Good Idea! I Love the Eternal Song story. Mathilde is very awesome :bow:
I agree with this as well
I never quite got how a story that happened in the anime first or happened differently is any less valid. The characters are still themselves, their adventures still committed to a medium of entertainment. The chance to see something new. How "a good adaptation = exactly the same" works is something I could never wrap my mind around. Word for word, page for page, frame for frame. After a while that must get a bit repetitive. Mediums will be different, and if the stories will be different, then I say let them be. I'm just here to enjoy the show.
One of the reasons I don't get involved much in series discussions is because of the manga/novel whiners complaining how the anime doesn't follow source material. I've often thought that each series that gets a sub forum should have a topic titled "Anime vs. Source - bitch and moan here."
I read vol. 1 after watching season 1 and found it to be a good read. But there were things added in the anime that I think were significant improvements. Mainly the elaboration on Yukari Hirai. I think that added so much to understanding Yuuji's early feelings about the true nature of his predicament. That scene of Yukari's final moments is one of the more memorable ones in the whole series, to me.
I loved both seasons of Shana. The second wasn't as impressive as the first, but there wasn't anything about it that I remember as being "bad." And I happen to like Kazumi, as well. So, I'm looking forward very much to a third season. I just want more of Shana. :D
Terminator98
2009-06-06, 12:02
I... just noticed today that this awesome thing is happening. Thiese news just made my day... I'm so sad that I spoiled myself (with the novels), but hey, STILL I CAN AGAIN SEE MY FAVE TSUNDERE ON SCREEN!! XD
Wargumm1i
2009-06-07, 05:47
I want a season 3... I would be a bit disappointed if its a OVA, because Iv read the novel and its just not the same seeing it first hand then reading it and imagining what the environment looks like and what the new characters look like.
Terminator98
2009-06-07, 07:59
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I want a season 3... I would be a bit disappointed if its a OVA, because Iv read the novel and its just not the same seeing it first hand then reading it and imagining what the environment looks like and what the new characters look like.
It should be a thrid season, as the novels have advanced up to tome 23 I think... still, we should cross our fingers and hope that SnS's author will get inspired so we can get more good content in the 3rd season, and much more less fillers like in season 2.
KimmyChan
2009-06-08, 08:59
Well, it looks like a third season of Shana has officially been confirmed from what I've seen/heard :D
Full Metal Coast
2009-06-08, 21:44
sweet cannot wait for a third season. but i pray that something finally happens between Shana and Yuji because we all know that it is about time they just committed and tell each other how they feel because the first time didnt count when Shana told Yuji.
this is almost getting as bad as Full Metal Panic where so far it has taken 3 seasons and 19 Light novels to even admit to their feelings to each other.
Terminator98
2009-06-09, 11:04
st sweet cannot wait for a third season. but i pray that something finally happens between Shana and Yuji because we all know that it is about time they just committed and tell each other how they feel because the first time didnt count when Shana told Yuji.
this is almost getting as bad as Full Metal Panic where so far it has taken 3 seasons and 19 Light novels to even admit to their feelings to each other.
Didn't they already confess in the end of season 2???
Didn't they already confess in the end of season 2???
It wasn't shown in an obvious way, just strongly implied. The look on Shana's face pretty much says what happened.
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/mushianime/Shana/Shana-II-end.jpg
The only way, to me, that doesn't say Yuuji had made his choice, is if they are seriously messing with people's minds and we're supposed to believe that Shana has that expression for some reason other than she sees Yuuji coming to be with her.
Eisdrache
2009-06-10, 06:33
Sorry for blasphemy, but who is Mathilde again? -.-
The simple fact that there's another production coming out is proof that the Shana did quite well; JC Staff, nor any other company, would make a sequel for a show that did as bad as some people here would like us to believe Shana S2 did.
The only thing it proves is that it sold well, which you know is not what people are talking about when they say how bad it did :rolleyes:
Terminator98
2009-06-10, 08:35
Sorry for blasphemy, but who is Mathilde again? -.-
Indeed... waht a blasphemy!!!! XD
Mathilde is Alastor's girlfriend and shana's predescessor.
(randomness... I'm watching Zero No Tsukaima, and it's pretty good. :D)
Nietono no Shana
2009-06-10, 12:52
Sorry for blasphemy, but who is Mathilde again? -.-
omg! xD
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/Favole666/eternalsong.jpg
Mathilde is Alastor's girlfriend and shana's predescessor.
Signed :cool:
FFrank227
2009-06-10, 15:07
As of June 10th, the front page of www.shakugan.com (http://www.shakugan.com) has been updated with new information. Not exactly sure what it says, but I do believe the top part states that volume 19 of the light novel will be released on September 10th, 2009 and a new artbook on August 10th, 2009.
Tempester
2009-06-10, 15:12
So if the 19th novel is the last, then we can assume that they can end the story on the 3rd season by following the novels?
That is assuming the 19th IS the last, which I really hope so. Shakugan no Shana is wayyyy too dragged out and loves teasing the audience with the possibility that the characters will finally solidify their relationships/love before resetting everything back to scratch.
Terminator98
2009-06-10, 15:29
Isn't there more like 22 novels??? O.o
FFrank227
2009-06-10, 15:32
21 I believe, and that includes the short stories. The main story itself is 18 volumes.
relentlessflame
2009-06-10, 16:00
As of June 10th, the front page of www.shakugan.com (http://www.shakugan.com) has been updated with new information. Not exactly sure what it says, but I do believe the top part states that volume 19 of the light novel will be released on September 10th, 2009. On the bottom part it says something about season III/movie and August 10th, 2009. :hmm: Correct me if I'm wrong. :eyebrow:That bottom part is talking about the third Noizi Ito artbook coming out in August. And, based on the cover (http://www.shakugan.com/original/index.html#nv), I'm going to assume that Volume 19 is not the last novel. (Edit: See correction below -- was going to quickly...) The image on the right says that a new Shana anime project is coming this Fall.
FFrank227
2009-06-10, 16:31
I see so it was the artbook that's coming out on August 10th. Thanks for the correction! :)
Shinji103
2009-06-10, 21:41
The only thing it proves is that it sold well, which you know is not what people are talking about when they say how bad it did :rolleyes:Erm....that was a week ago? A little late, no? :heh:
And anyways, you missed my point by quite a bit. Whether or not we here in the states think it did well, obviously people in Japan thought it was good. They're shelling out about $60/65 yen per disc for only 2-3 episodes at most. Their opinion is obviously "we like it"; that's their opinion. The people here in the states who whine about animes being bad and treating it like fact by blaming the staff and calling them "sucky" or "bad" are also ignoring the fact that their thoughts are opinions. If they like it in Japan, well, they're probably going to make more then, case-in-point. *points to title*
I'll certainly admit that myself I haven't liked all the shows in Japan that have done well in sales (in particular Gundam SEED Destiny, as some may know), but that just goes to show that my opinions are nothing more than such. You don't pay so much for DVDs with small episode counts for a series you don't like, unless you're a mindless fanboy. (and honestly, I think we all can agree that those kinds of people aren't a majority) So good sales = people liked it, which in turn = a good chance for a sequel. Especially since they have plenty more novel material to animate.
And, based on the cover (http://www.shakugan.com/original/index.html#nv), I'm going to assume that Volume 19 is not the last novel.
Except the covers on that page only go up to volume 17.
Hmm...I'm not sure if I'd be happy if the 19th volume is the last one. I'd like for my favorite series to continue, but the series getting dragged on isn't good either. Having not read the novels yet, I can't form a good opinion in this area.
If I could jump into the debate on DVD sales and its acceptance in Japan, I don't think you can take those sales as pure correlation to how well fans in Japan thought the series was. Fan-service sells, seemingly regardless of how well it's done, and I think Otaku would and do shell out money on DVDs regardless of how well they thought the series was actually done. As long as it has what they want. Not that they can’t also think a series was done well, I think they’re two separate purchasing forces.
I would think SnS would have less of these buyers though, as its amount of fan service is relatively low compared to some others.
Terminator98
2009-06-11, 00:38
Light Novel 19? Being the last? No, not yet. I think it'd be best until we got to around light novel 23-25 until we close. So we can have a solid, good story and don't have a rushed ending.
At the same time, we can then have a sweet final SnS season 3 which will close the show.
relentlessflame
2009-06-11, 11:15
Except the covers on that page only go up to volume 17.Sorry -- you're right. I saw "new" with a date that looked about right, but it was 2008, not 2009. :heh: So discard that.
If I could jump into the debate on DVD sales and its acceptance in Japan, I don't think you can take those sales as pure correlation to how well fans in Japan thought the series was. Fan-service sells, seemingly regardless of how well it's done, and I think Otaku would and do shell out money on DVDs regardless of how well they thought the series was actually done. As long as it has what they want. Not that they can’t also think a series was done well, I think they’re two separate purchasing forces.
I would think SnS would have less of these buyers though, as its amount of fan service is relatively low compared to some others.This is a non-starter as an argument and should probably be avoided (independent of the fact that Shana II wasn't a "fanservice" show). You're saying that "sales" don't correlate to "quality", but quality is totally subjective.
Merchandise sales are an objective measurement of a show's merchandise's popularity, and one of the only objective measures we have that ties into financial success. We aren't in a position to judge the motivations of those making the purchases, but we do know that producers are in this business to make money. So if a show's merchandise sells well, we can assume that, as in this case, producers will take that as a sign that they can green-light more of the same. And, at that point, this idea of "objective good" doesn't matter -- if it's popular enough and it sells, and so they produce more, then that's the only important metric. People can debate "quality" until the cows come home but, as long as people keep buying it because it gives them what they want from the show, it's all just semantics for wannabe critics.
If a show gives people what they want from it, and so people buy it (especially, as it was pointed out, at R2 prices), it's not a bad show to them. As I've said before, there's no wrong way or reason to enjoy anime.
SnS isn't a fanservice series, but in no way does it lack its moments (like I mentioned). I was really thinking of ZnT, since it came up, but didn't feel like putting it in there. My comments weren't directed at the DVD sales of only the SnS series. Quality is totally subjective, and I don’t remember saying that it wasn't. And fanservice, as I believe you know, isn't only echhi-ness and panty-shots (which SnS has as well though).
I was saying that sales don't necessarily correlate to fans’ take on a series' quality. I think "quality" and "fanservice" are two separate and major forces behind purchases. Both, of course, are subjective (the second less so). Not that they can’t both weigh into a purchase, and not that there is a right and wrong/good and bad to it.
There were several comments saying that because the DVDs sold well (for any series really), that's a reflection of how well the fans in Japan thought the quality of the series was. All I was saying, was that's not necessarily the case. There could be countless reasons behind why someone would purchase the DVDs for a series that have nothing to do how well they thought it was done.
You seem to be criticizing me for things I didn't say relentless. :(
relentlessflame
2009-06-11, 14:41
There were several comments saying that because the DVDs sold well (for any series really), that's a reflection of how well the fans in Japan thought the quality of the series was. All I was saying, was that's not necessarily the case. There could be countless reasons behind why someone would purchase the DVDs for a series that have nothing to do how well they thought it was done.
You seem to be criticizing me for things I didn't say relentless. :(But you just said the very same thing again, perhaps unknowingly. Maybe it's just in how you look at it. The problem is, I'm not really sure how to explain it...
Let me try this approach: "Quality" is a loaded word. If I buy a show, it's obviously because I like it (I wouldn't spend the money otherwise). But you postulate here that I may buy it irrespective of how I feel about its "quality". If this is true, then you are suggesting, by extension, that I may like low-quality shows. Now this has turned into a "judgement call": (for the sake of the argument) who are you to tell me that I have poor tastes? Do you see how this can turn personal very quickly? This is why I said it's a non-starter as an argument and should probably be avoided, even if on a purely logical level there's some truth to it.
The metric of primary importance to this discussion isn't "quality", it's "popularity". People need to tread very lightly on making assumptions about a show's "quality", because the factors that you consider most important may not be in alignment with those who enjoy the show. For the vast majority of people I've seen on these boards, "poor quality" is only a cute euphemism for "I didn't like it", and a way of reflecting one's unmet personal expectations back onto the show, its writers and its producers.
In other words, on the relentlessflame Personal Quality Index (TM), I give every show I purchased a 10/10! :P Granted that's not what you mean by "quality", but everyone feels that way on a certain level. When it comes right down to it, quality will always be subjective.
I hope that helps explain what I'm trying to get at... I don't think we're totally disagreeing with each other, I'm just not sure if you realized the other ways those comments can be seen.
Terminator98
2009-06-11, 15:58
Lol guys, different people have differnt ways of interpreting words. Anyways... relentless, someone may buy a DVD not because he likes the show, but because he sees the nice box or is interested and would know if the show is good or not.
Anywas, I'm not getting deep in those "quality" debates... XD
Eh... isn't this off topic guys?
Anyways... About the 3rd season... I'm, again, a bit afraid that we'll have fillers, as there isn't much to put in the 3rd season.... (using the novels as base) most of the things have been shown, and I doubt the rest can cover 24 episodes. It'd be more like 12 episodes here in the ZnT style.
relentlessflame
2009-06-11, 16:11
Anyways... relentless, someone may buy a DVD not because he likes the show, but because he sees the nice box or is interested and would know if the show is good or not.Probably a bit less so when you're talking about Japanese DVDs where the cost averages about $20/episode. An even so, that might explain the first volume, but what about by the time you get to Volume 8? Or Volume 8 of the Second Season? But regardless...
About the 3rd season... I'm, again, a bit afraid that we'll have fillers, as there isn't much to put in the 3rd season.... (using the novels as base) most of the things have been shown, and I doubt the rest can cover 24 episodes. It'd be more like 12 episodes here in the ZnT style.Well, they haven't yet said whether it'd be a TV season; so far it's just an "anime project". But if it is a TV season, it looks as though they'd have 5 novels to animate, which is about the same as what they covered last season. I suppose it's all about pacing. And hopefully by now fans have gotten used to the concept of their being some original content in this overall adaptation, so maybe they'll be a bit less surprised/pissy about it this time? We'll see...
Game8910
2009-06-11, 18:35
they said the magazine came on june 10th....its the 11th now...is there any more info revealed?
Terminator98
2009-06-11, 23:00
Well, they haven't yet said whether it'd be a TV season; so far it's just an "anime project". But if it is a TV season, it looks as though they'd have 5 novels to animate, which is about the same as what they covered last season. I suppose it's all about pacing. And hopefully by now fans have gotten used to the concept of their being some original content in this overall adaptation, so maybe they'll be a bit less surprised/pissy about it this time? We'll see...
I'll be a bit dissapointed if ever the future 3rd season is like the 2nd one. I do not want that much fillers. It would be better if there was more... action, a bit like in season 1, and more drama, not just "love problems and jealeauosy". Season 1 had the perfect mix, and at least in there, the fillers showed important things (i.e Shana's background).
Game8910
2009-06-11, 23:02
I'll be a bit dissapointed if ever the future 3rd season is like the 2nd one. I do not want that much fillers. It would be better if there was more... action, a bit like in season 1, and more drama, not just "love problems and jealeauosy". Season 1 had the perfect mix, and at least in there, the fillers showed important things (i.e Shana's background).
no, season 1 had no fillers, they just jumbled most of the novels together. The only filler of season 1 started around the episode wilhelmina showed up
Terminator98
2009-06-12, 00:22
Ah, I always thought that episodes 14-16 around were fillers, you know, where they talk about shana's past.
Anyways... "crosses fingers for no fillers"
no, season 1 had no fillers, they just jumbled most of the novels together. The only filler of season 1 started around the episode wilhelmina showed up
The pool episode was anime original.
Marcus H.
2009-06-12, 09:52
Okay, I've discovered that Eternal Song is based on X.
BTW, can I ask which books were covered by each season of the Anime?
(And what is covered by Books 0, S and SII?)
Okay, I've discovered that Eternal Song is based on X.
BTW, can I ask which books were covered by each season of the Anime?
(And what is covered by Books 0, S and SII?)
Season 1 covered books I through to VIII and used parts from IX as base for the anime original ending arc. Season 2 salvaged leftovers from IX, covered the game and novels XI throught to XIV and included a good amount of anime original material as well as the sidestory "Milestone" from S.
My guess is that if we do get a third season, in order to make the proper corrections to allow for them to adapt books XVI onwards and actually make considerable sense, they'll have to make the first arc an anime original arc set during the first or second season to include all the stuff that's supposed to foreshadow the events of the current arc in the novels (which would as of book XIX have spanned 4 novels, the longest story arc in the series). This of course comes off as lazily pasting in new backstory, and they're better off remaking the entire show from the beginning.
relentlessflame
2009-06-12, 15:26
This of course comes off as lazily pasting in new backstory, and they're better off remaking the entire show from the beginning.I'm going to vote a big "no" to this suggestion, for my part. That's sort of screwing over all the people who bought the first two seasons and asking them buy a whole bunch of it all over again to get "the true story". I'm sure this new arc is very important, but it's not as if all the stuff they already did cover is for naught. I'm sure they can find a way of working it into the story somehow; the way they did it in the novels isn't the only way to arrive at the same destination and still have it make sense. It's just a matter of being creative. I do realize that "creative adaptations of the original works" have gone out of style these days around here, but I vastly prefer that to a premature remake of a story that isn't by any means old or out-dated. I don't need to watch the early chapters all over again. So if you asked me, I'd vote "hell no" on the remake idea; we're 17 DVDs into the show; bring on part 3. (That's all in my opinion, of course.)
This isn't the first show I've seen around these boards where people want a remake of the entire show. It's saying stuff like that with an undue sense of entitlement that comes across as...well, it reflects some of the less appealing traits of fans. Not to mention the reason people want things to be remade is to be "closer to the original source!" even if what was obtained before was perfectly watchable, even if different.
So if you asked me, I'd vote "hell no" on the remake idea...
^That.
This isn't the first show I've seen around these boards where people want a remake of the entire show. It's saying stuff like that with an undue sense of entitlement that comes across as...well, it reflects some of the less appealing traits of fans. Not to mention the reason people want things to be remade is to be "closer to the original source!" even if what was obtained before was perfectly watchable, even if different.
^And that.
I wouldn't care if a 3rd season was entirely original material as long as it built on what's already been established and maintained continuity throughout the season.
I don't think we're totally disagreeing with each other, I'm just not sure if you realized the other ways those comments can be seen.
Haha, this may very well be the case. I guess it's my choice in wording that is getting in the way of what I'm trying to say. So let's see if I can do any better.
Let me try this approach: "Quality" is a loaded word. If I buy a show, it's obviously because I like it (I wouldn't spend the money otherwise). But you postulate here that I may buy it irrespective of how I feel about its "quality". If this is true, then you are suggesting, by extension, that I may like low-quality shows. Now this has turned into a "judgement call": (for the sake of the argument) who are you to tell me that I have poor tastes? Do you see how this can turn personal very quickly? This is why I said it's a non-starter as an argument and should probably be avoided, even if on a purely logical level there's some truth to it.
Yes and no. Someone buying something doesn't necessarily mean that person likes all of that something. A rabid Shana fan may buy all SnS merchandise with Shana in it because he/she loves Shana, but may not care about the story and other characters. And a rabid Yuji fan would…never mind...
As for the postulation, it looks like I should've been clearer. I meant irrespective of one's own judgment of quality. Not anyone else's. Again, someone may buy something without necessarily liking the whole thing.
If, based on your own judgment of quality, you think that something is of a lower quality, and still like it...then yes, that would mean that you like lower-quality series. But that "judgment call" would be one you yourself made. Put more sensibly, it really just shows that people give differing levels of importance to different aspects of a product.
Terminator98
2009-06-13, 00:27
Didn't the movie already service the purists fans?? It was a nice port over. Maybe it's this that incited this movement of originality...
relentlessflame
2009-06-13, 00:45
Yes and no. Someone buying something doesn't necessarily mean that person likes all of that something. A rabid Shana fan may buy all SnS merchandise because he/she loves Shana, but may not care about the story and other characters. And a rabid Yuji fan would…never mind.Okay, but I think it's largely an argument of semantics. You're trying to say that there isn't necessarily a one-to-one correlation between sales and the purchaser's perception of the show's quality. That's of course logically true. Any given purchaser may have a multitude of reasons for purchasing the show, of which "quality" is only one factor. But even once this distinction is granted, you're sort of at a dead end. Was your only point in making this argument to establish the distinction that sales don't necessarily correlate to Quality?
Sales are just about the only objective metric we have access to that measures popularity, and serves as a fairly reliable predictor of what shows will get sequels. And if a show is popular, who cares if it's "Good" with a capital G? If people enjoy it, for whatever reason, great, and the producers will get the message to make more of the same (hence this "New Shana Project 2009"). And that was the real point here: not that all the people who bought it proves it's Good, it's that it proves it's popular the way it is. So all the source-loyalists who claim that that the show has been a complete failure so far and needs to be remade simply because it hasn't been totally faithful to the books have a legitimate opinion, but the evidence of the show's continued popularity, as demonstrated by sales, suggests that their opinion might not matter as much as they wish it would. And that was the real point of the argument.
If, based on your own judgment of quality, you think that something is of a lower quality, and still like it...then yes, that would mean that you like lower-quality series. But that "judgment call" would be one you yourself made.Fair enough. Speaking of myself, I'm typically the first to admit that my taste in anime sucks by other people's standards -- not that I really care. But, obviously, I buy what I like and selfishly hope that they keep making more. I assume that everyone's the same way to some degree. When it comes right down to it, that "cumulation of personal enjoyment" is really what drives this market. I understand that the source loyalists are also acting out of self-interest, because they want to enjoy the show and believe that they would enjoy it more if it stuck more closely to the original material. My only "objection" is in the way that opinion is often stated -- as if it's some sort of unarguable objective flaw in the show that must be rectified. Truth is, it's all just personal opinion -- I personally thought it was fine the way it was, and I don't think I'm any less "learned" than anyone else. My main wish is that people learn to be a bit less arrogant and presumptive when they state their personal opinions, that's all.
Didn't the movie already service the purists fans?? It was a nice port over. Maybe it's this that incited this movement of originality...
The movie only covered the first novel. And a good chunk of it was basically copy and paste from the series, including the original material surrounding Yukari.
Terminator98
2009-06-13, 01:05
The movie only covered the first novel. And a good chunk of it was basically copy and paste from the series, including the original material surrounding Yukari.
Yeah, I know that. But strangely, I find this version better than the anime version. The only sad things is that they removed a few scenes, especially the one where Shana ends up in Saito's bed XD. Still, the fighting was intersting, but shana didn't fight to much... she only "ate"... It feels more as if it was Margery that was doing the work.
Anyways, season 1 was good, season 2 a bit less ( first part of season 2 wasn't to my liking to much ). J.C Staff has learnt it's mistakes... I hope... ( Geesh, it seems that J.C always folows a marvelous season with a crapier one... *points* *Screwed up ZnT, and others... )
Game8910
2009-06-13, 02:25
Yeah, I know that. But strangely, I find this version better than the anime version. The only sad things is that they removed a few scenes, especially the one where Shana ends up in Saito's bed XD. Still, the fighting was intersting, but shana didn't fight to much... she only "ate"... It feels more as if it was Margery that was doing the work.
Anyways, season 1 was good, season 2 a bit less ( first part of season 2 wasn't to my liking to much ). J.C Staff has learnt it's mistakes... I hope... ( Geesh, it seems that J.C always folows a marvelous season with a crapier one... *points* *Screwed up ZnT, and others... )
too much ZnT for you
Terminator98
2009-06-13, 03:38
Ooopss.... sorry, happened when was listening to I say yes Wedding verison. Actually, Saito and Yuji have the same voice actors, and they are a bit similiar also, so I often confound them. ( ZnT + SnS cross over FTW )
Anyone aware if the situation in the light novels developed? I'm to lazy to go and buy them... Are still stuck at Yuji becoming... Anakin Skywalker?
Dogbitez
2009-06-13, 08:57
:cool:3rd season FTW!!!!!!!!!:cool:
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-13, 22:40
This isn't the first show I've seen around these boards where people want a remake of the entire show. It's saying stuff like that with an undue sense of entitlement that comes across as...well, it reflects some of the less appealing traits of fans. Not to mention the reason people want things to be remade is to be "closer to the original source!" even if what was obtained before was perfectly watchable, even if different.
I have to say, this is the first place I've seen on this entire forum that has people actually supporting the anime material over the novels.
It's fascinating. It's similar to finding one of those little pockets on the internet where people actually like dubs.
And what's wrong with wanting to have something of decent quality for once? I felt that the Konoe arc was terrible, and after the entire Pheles arc involved Yuuji screaming like a little girl at the top of his voice, constantly, I gave up on the show.
I also hear that in the novels, Yuuji is... actually badass. From rather early on.
I'd like to see that, so what's wrong with that?
Although, if they're not going to remake it, I'd much rather see them just build off what they have and go entirely into original-material-land even if it sucks, because from what I understand there's very little chance they can continue to adapt the novels, because of the material they excluded that foreshadowed the recent developments.
Shinji103
2009-06-13, 23:41
^ There's nothing wrong with wanting to see something animated, but when you start saying it's all the staff's fault and they suck and whatnot just because they didn't cater to your specific personal desires in a show, then you're crossing a line.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-06-14, 00:26
^ There's nothing wrong with wanting to see something animated, but when you start saying it's all the staff's fault and they suck and whatnot just because they didn't cater to your specific personal desires in a show, then you're crossing a line.
I'm in the group that thinks that adaptations should generally be 1:1, so it's no surprise I think that way. (I also think it's ludicrous to bring product sales into discussions of quality, but...)
There's a LOT of people that think this way, and would agree. Just not in this topic, apparently. As a result, I have no backing for discussion here because I'll be immediately shot down with no support for my arguments.
Regardless, I'll probably give this new season a few episodes just to see what's what.
JC Staff is getting a lot better recently, so...
Shinji103
2009-06-14, 00:51
I'm in the group that thinks that adaptations should generally be 1:1, so it's no surprise I think that way. (I also think it's ludicrous to bring product sales into discussions of quality, but...)
There's a LOT of people that think this way, and would agree. Just not in this topic, apparently. As a result, I have no backing for discussion here because I'll be immediately shot down with no support for my arguments.Well as I've said that's your opinion, but that doesn't mean you can go blasting everything that isn't perfectly according to its original material. And well, if you have a better, hard source of guaging a show's quality besides fan opinion on forums (a good portion of which is just whining/annoying trolls or rabid fanboys), then sales are all we've got. And they certainly aren't a bad guage; I still say that the general populace isn't so ridiculously stupid as to buy $60 DVDs with only a handful of episodes of a show they think was bad. There will be some wierdos, but as screwed up a world as it is out there, it's not that screwed up.
It's perfectly fine if you don't like a show, but don't act like it's a fact the show sucks just because it doesn't cater to your tastes. That's just your opinion. It doesn't matter how many people share your thoughts, as it still doesn't mean you're the majority. I know a great many people in other threads (and not just on this forum) who share my thoughts on a great many things, such as "we think GSD was a bad show," who don't speak up simply to avoid arguments with hater-trolls or rabid fanboys depending on the show, but we don't start saying the people behind the show suck just because of whether or not the show is according to our tastes.
MegamiMiko
2009-06-14, 02:51
I have to say, this is the first place I've seen on this entire forum that has people actually supporting the anime material over the novels.
It's fascinating. It's similar to finding one of those little pockets on the internet where people actually like dubs.
You know, I'd thought we were finally getting to the point where dubs were actually starting to be considered a legitimate alternative to subs. Silly me... :o
Anyone aware if the situation in the light novels developed? I'm to lazy to go and buy them... Are still stuck at Yuji becoming... Anakin Skywalker?
This thread is for the announcement of a third anime season. There is a novel thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26560) if you feel the need to discuss that. ;)
I have to say, this is the first place I've seen on this entire forum that has people actually supporting the anime material over the novels.
The anime is more readily available than the novels. Which is another thing that's amusing to me. The novels can only be enjoyed by those who can read Japanese (past vol. 3, if you include the Baki-Tsuki translation). Why do those people come to an english anime forum to complain about the lack of adherence to source material when most people who see the anime can't even read the novels? :twitch:
Terminator98
2009-06-14, 10:40
Mushi, I do believe that some people here must know how to read japanese... It's usually them that critic the anime I suppose. Also, when readin even the first few chapters of the novels, you kind of get a feeling that it is better than the anime, and you loath "HELL, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN LIKE THAT IN THE ANIME!!!".
I myself experienced this when I saw an anime and I immediately read it's novel afterwards. I'll be reading the SnS novels soon to see for myself.
Mushi, I do believe that some people here must know how to read japanese...
Yes, I know that many forum members actually live in Japan and get all that good stuff first hand. And I'm not trying to say I think there's anything wrong with that, they add a lot of value to the community, in fact. It's just a little odd, to me, that an english forum becomes a dumping grounds for something that is (mostly) only understood by those who know Japanese.
I myself experienced this when I saw an anime and I immediately read it's novel afterwards. I'll be reading the SnS novels soon to see for myself.
I understand the frustration/irritation that comes with it. I haven't read a lot of manga, but I've seen enough to realize that anime adaptations can be way off. If there's a favorite scene from some source material, that a fan would really love to see "walking and talking," and it gets left out or drastically changed, that could be a huge let down.
That's why I prefer to read source material after seeing anime. I like getting the extra details that can only be included in written formats. That way it feels like something is being added, not left out. It feels like reliving the story with extra insight.
relentlessflame
2009-06-14, 15:39
The anime is more readily available than the novels. Which is another thing that's amusing to me. The novels can only be enjoyed by those who can read Japanese (past vol. 3, if you include the Baki-Tsuki translation). Why do those people come to an english anime forum to complain about the lack of adherence to source material when most people who see the anime can't even read the novels? :twitch:If it helps, some (many? most?) of those complaining haven't actually read the novels for themselves either. They base their opinions on summaries and second-hand information from people generally setting out to prove that the original material is better than the adaptation. So it has become a sort of insular culture in and of itself; maybe we can call it the "By the Book Club". :p
Considering that attitudes like that always crop up, it leaves me wondering why there are so many posts in the "What [x] (usually manga) do you want to be animated?" threads. People either not end up appreciating the difference between mediums, being fearful of something new or just flat-out complaining. It's a bit disheartening when so many people, in relation to the anime of Show X, only end up saying "don't watch it". It's like the forum is swallowing itself up.
relentlessflame
2009-06-14, 20:13
Considering that attitudes like that always crop up, it leaves me wondering why there are so many posts in the "What [x] (usually manga) do you want to be animated?" threads. People either not end up appreciating the difference between mediums, being fearful of something new or just flat-out complaining. It's a bit disheartening when so many people, in relation to the anime of Show X, only end up saying "don't watch it". It's like the forum is swallowing itself up.All I can say is, I know how you feel. Keep in mind, though, forums will always tend to attract those who feel they have the most to say about a given topic. These tend to be people who want to critique and criticize. If you look at the episode polls, the average rating for most anime we have sub-forums for is quite high, with most shows at least 8 or "very good". So I think it's largely that this group of the forum likes to make themselves heard because they feel they have gripes that "they alone" (as novel/manga readers or game players) feel unique qualified to discuss. I see no evidence whatsoever that this group represents a majority; they just seem to make the most noise in certain shows that don't closely follow the original text (and these same people tend to make the same arguments repeatedly whenever it comes up).
So in other words, I don't think the forum is swallowing itself up with negativity. I just think those of us who enjoy anime for what it is (not resent it for what it isn't) need to be a bit more vocal and articulate to balance the discussion.
Terminator98
2009-06-15, 11:54
o in other words, I don't think the forum is swallowing itself up with negativity. I just think those of us who enjoy anime for what it is (not resent it for what it isn't) need to be a bit more vocal and articulate to balance the discussion.
I actually do not hate the animes for what they aren't, I just find it a bit sad that pieces are often left out. I understand that not all can be put sometimes, but I also feel that important aspects and events are often left out.
Now hang on, I don't think that they'd not be able to adapt the current (and quite possibly final) arc in this upcoming anime project. Especially considering they put not one but two direct references to it in the second OP for the second season even though it was not in the second season. I just think that they're going to quite sloppily bullshit it into the story like they did in the second season with it's bullshit new introduction for the Keeper and bullshit explanation for Yuji's high PoE. And I'd prefer starting over instead of sloppily adding in stuff that should've been there before but wasn't. It's just not consistent storytelling.
MegamiMiko
2009-06-16, 12:17
Now hang on, I don't think that they'd not be able to adapt the current (and quite possibly final) arc in this upcoming anime project. Especially considering they put not one but two direct references to it in the second OP for the second season even though it was not in the second season. I just think that they're going to quite sloppily bullshit it into the story like they did in the second season with it's bullshit new introduction for the Keeper and bullshit explanation for Yuji's high PoE. And I'd prefer starting over instead of sloppily adding in stuff that should've been there before but wasn't. It's just not consistent storytelling.
Just because they get there differently doesn't necessarily make it bad storytelling. The anime's explanation for Yuji's PoE made perfect sense in context, at least as much as "he got it from Sydonay's arm."
Terminator98
2009-06-16, 12:33
@Tokan:
What references are you talking about? Is it about the scene when Yuji and Shana are desesperately trying to hold hands, reaching out and the glasses breaks??
It might not be so, it might just mean the fluctuating, uncertain relationship that they had in season 2.
Was your only point in making this argument to establish the distinction that sales don't necessarily correlate to Quality?
Sorry for the late reply, but yes. It was. I was just trying to counter a couple comments saying that sales –did- correlate to quality. I think I mentioned once or twice that that was my only aim. Also, I don't disagree with the point you were making about sales/popularity and sequels. Although I have a problem with its application in the industry, but that's a completely different discussion.
...then sales are all we've got. And they certainly aren't a bad guage; I still say that the general populace isn't so ridiculously stupid as to buy $60 DVDs with only a handful of episodes of a show they think was bad. There will be some wierdos, but as screwed up a world as it is out there, it's not that screwed up.
Kind of the thing here though, is that it's in no way the general populace that's mainly buying them. Especially when we're dealing with what, 9000 DVDs per volume was it? I don't have the time right now, but I'd like to talk about this point a bit more if I get a chance. (Starting with defining general populace.)
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-17, 00:49
At last, we may get some answers about Yuji's disappearing footsteps at the end of second season. :)
What makes you think they were Yuuji's footprints?
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-17, 01:51
It was just a guess. I cannot elaborate further as it may involve spoilers from novel. As such, let's just put it as disappearing footprints, shall we? There is Yuji's voiceover at the every end, stating something like "I has charged my life, believing in what lays ahead." I wonder what does he means by that.
Terminator98
2009-06-17, 07:34
"I has charged my life" ???? LOL
Yuji must have took Duracell...
Anyways, most of us know what's gonna happen. Unless the studio decide to change a lot of things...
And so far... Sabrac's still alive, he's supposed to be dead. Seems as we have this to cover up a few episodes.
Deathscyther
2009-06-17, 12:12
And so far... Sabrac's still alive, he's supposed to be dead.
Where did you get this info from?
I thought he survived in the novels as well
Terminator98
2009-06-17, 13:25
Someone told me that he died in the novels... odd, you sure he's still alive in the novels?
Shinji103
2009-06-17, 18:29
Kind of the thing here though, is that it's in no way the general populace that's mainly buying them. Especially when we're dealing with what, 9000 DVDs per volume was it? I don't have the time right now, but I'd like to talk about this point a bit more if I get a chance. (Starting with defining general populace.)Well obviously "genral populace" here isn't "everybody in all of Japan" since not everybody in all of Japan buys anime. I'd think that would go without saying. But I think it's rather foolish and arrogant to say that all or even a majority of the people who bought from those 9000 DVDs per volume were so stupid as to blow $60 per DVD for a handful of epiosdes on a series they don't like.
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-18, 02:10
Correct me if I am wrong. I think that even the novels have not provided answers to these questions.
1. The origin of Shana: She has to be very popular and famous around the world that her capacity is large enough to contain Alastor when Alstor is summoned. What is her real name and who is she really? Shana is a name given to her by Yuji. The only thing we know about her origin is just that she is orphan (child or baby) picked up by Wilhelmina.
2. The reason of Yuji's death: At the very beginning, we knew that he is a mystes and already died a long time ago. How did this situation happen? How did Reiji Maigo somehow being transferred to him?
Hopefully, the future novels and the possible Season 3 can shed some light on these questions.
@Tokan:
What references are you talking about? Is it about the scene when Yuji and Shana are desesperately trying to hold hands, reaching out and the glasses breaks??
It might not be so, it might just mean the fluctuating, uncertain relationship that they had in season 2.
I was also referring to Shana writhing in pain while engulfed in black flames.
Terminator98
2009-06-18, 03:34
Ah, ok...
@alvinkhorfire: Yuji did die, that's all we know. He had already been eaten before, and who know, since when. However, it must have been destiny that Reiji Maigo was put into him ( did you forget? Hogous move randomly every time ).
And about shana's origin... we might as well never know... XD I'd preder plot development than this.
Correct me if I am wrong. I think that even the novels have not provided answers to these questions.
1. The origin of Shana: She has to be very popular and famous around the world that her capacity is large enough to contain Alastor when Alstor is summoned. What is her real name and who is she really? Shana is a name given to her by Yuji. The only thing we know about her origin is just that she is orphan (child or baby) picked up by Wilhelmina.
2. The reason of Yuji's death: At the very beginning, we knew that he is a mystes and already died a long time ago. How did this situation happen? How did Reiji Maigo somehow being transferred to him?
Hopefully, the future novels and the possible Season 3 can shed some light on these questions.
You can't solve every insignificant mystery there is in a story because they're usually there as fan fodder so that the fans get to theorise. And you can't give complete and total closure to a story because it's not a good way of keeping fans even years after the end due to it being a deterrent from further interest.
Quite honestly, the things you mentioned aren't even important enough to be ever brought up.
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-18, 06:03
Thank you for your input.
Terminator98
Of course, plot development takes precedence over anything else. However, there is nothing wrong to dedicate a small amount of time to explain these two mysteries. I saw some posts a long time ago suggesting how Yuji was killed. The accuracy of such posts remain in doubt.
Tokkan
I see your point. Let's say we will watch the whole entire series once again after the end. Once time you watch it, you may have some interpretation. Still, no matter how you interpret it, yours will not be as correct as the author's interpretation. That is my point. How can you be sure that you have the right answer?
I can understand if the author want to keep such mysteries throughout the series, but I hope that they will be revealed near the end. I believe, that everything is being revealed, true hardcore Shana fan would still want to rewatch the series. If I know everything, I would still rewatch it. Honest!
Important or not important, they are still a part of this anime. Like I have said, they can dedicate just a small amount of time to explain such mysteries.
I have to admit that your view is more accurate than mine. Here, I am just voicing out my opinion. I just do not want the situation that many years later, I am still in dark over the answers to such mysteries.
spawnofthejudge
2009-06-18, 07:37
I see your point. Let's say we will watch the whole entire series once again after the end. Once time you watch it, you may have some interpretation. Still, no matter how you interpret it, yours will not be as correct as the author's interpretation. That is my point. How can you be sure that you have the right answer?Who says there is a 'right' answer? What if they leave something we really want to know ambiguous both in the novels and in the anime? Then any particular person's interpretation is no more or less valid than anyone else's. These particular questions are the kinds of things that are often left ambiguous, especially since it seems that for the story left to be told, we don't need to know any of that. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was left up to our personal interpretation. Besides, there's no way to answer absolutely all the questions a work can bring up. If they happened to tell us about Shana's origins further than what we know, and we learned, say, her parents' names and why they left her, we'd wonder further. Where are they now? Do they regret that decision (if it was a decision at all)? And answering those questions would only bring up new ones and so on.
Basically: It's impossible to know everything, because there are always questions.
Terminator98
2009-06-18, 10:55
spawnofthejudge said pretty much everything... XD
Doshte? Doshte? Naze? Naze?
BECAUSE!!! :heh:
One thing... Yuji was surely killed, and the Yuj we know is surely a torch... but what I can't understand is "why" he couldn't see the flame before... Or why didn't he become like Yukari... XD
It was just a guess. I cannot elaborate further as it may involve spoilers from novel. As such, let's just put it as disappearing footprints, shall we? There is Yuji's voiceover at the every end, stating something like "I has charged my life, believing in what lays ahead." I wonder what does he means by that.
yeah, i remembered that, when i saw it i was like , wow that is quite neat, now they wil be able to link it to the third season nicely.
Well obviously "genral populace" here isn't "everybody in all of Japan" since not everybody in all of Japan buys anime. I'd think that would go without saying. But I think it's rather foolish and arrogant to say that all or even a majority of the people who bought from those 9000 DVDs per volume were so stupid as to blow $60 per DVD for a handful of epiosdes on a series they don't like.
:confused: It has nothing to do with being stupid, just less frugal with money. And where is this "they don't like" part coming from? Obviously they like it in some capacity.
Hmm...to try and explain what I was saying without getting too into it...I think you can split the purchasers of anime DVDs into roughly two groups, Otaku and casual-fans. I would consider the sum of them both as the general populace, or just the casual-fan group. There are several differences between them, but the relevant one is money; generally, by almost definition, casual-fans would be more frugal with their money while Otaku would be more willing to spend their money on their hobbies. I would think that the majority of those SnS DVD purchases were made by the Otaku group, especially since we're dealing with Japan, where, unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much casual anime buying, and the industry/society is not really set up for it. Disagreements? I'm just airing out some thoughts.
To say something on topic, still no news on an air date? Whatever happened to that magazine with new information? Has that not been released yet?
darktruth
2009-06-19, 02:47
I'd see the otakus in Japan would be buying other merchandise such as figurines and artbooks rather than DVD's if they were really wanting some sort of fanservice from the show (e.g. those figures of Shana in swimsuits and bikinis). I've done some digging around the TV ratings for Shana II in Japan and found that only 4 episodes of it managed to rate in the bottom part of the top 40 in the Kanto region, all the others I haven't seen it in there. Some may argue that can be seen as fans not liking the series but good DVD sales of the show counters that in a certain aspect.
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-19, 04:37
spawnofthejudge said pretty much everything... XD
Doshte? Doshte? Naze? Naze?
BECAUSE!!! :heh:
One thing... Yuji was surely killed, and the Yuj we know is surely a torch... but what I can't understand is "why" he couldn't see the flame before... Or why didn't he become like Yukari... XD
Well, I could only guess that when his power of existence was consumed in a fuzetsu, he did not have Reiji Maigo yet and cannot see the flames yet. Somehow, by luck, before he was to disappear, Reiji Maigo was transported to him. Still, I could say that he were not aware of flames because he did not encounter fuzetsu then. Only till the first episode of the series, when he was again in fuzetsu, he saw the flame for the first time. Again, this is just my speculation. You see, this speculation cannot treated as correct unless it is proven correct by the author.
As a side note, can I ask about the ability of Yuji that is attributed to himself, rather than Reiji Maigo? Well, Reiji Maigo has given him the ability to walk in fuzetsu. But then, Yuji has a special ability to sense the change in power of existence, like sense the pulsating flame in the Shakugan no Shana Movie, whereas even Flame Haze cannot do so. Well, is the ability of sensing the change in power of existence attributed to himself, or to Reiji Maigo? If it is attributed to Reiji Maigo, then Johan would have such ability, but there is no mention of that.
Marcus H.
2009-06-19, 07:48
Perhaps it was a unique ability which developed because of his superior intellect, which the rest of the season has been showing. Like how he plans attacks and determines enemy strategies so fast that even Margery has managed to notice. His intelligence in battle might even rival Bel Peol's.
FFrank227
2009-06-19, 11:10
To say something on topic, still no news on an air date? Whatever happened to that magazine with new information? Has that not been released yet?
From what I've heard, the magazine did mention that it is going to be a season 3 and it will air in October.
relentlessflame
2009-06-19, 18:18
I've done some digging around the TV ratings for Shana II in Japan and found that only 4 episodes of it managed to rate in the bottom part of the top 40 in the Kanto region, all the others I haven't seen it in there. Some may argue that can be seen as fans not liking the series but good DVD sales of the show counters that in a certain aspect.Well, not to drag this out too much further, because we've probably discussed this enough, but yeah: with a show like Shana that airs at ungodly hours, ratings are almost completely useless as a metric. It's sort of like asking for ratings on infomercials -- it's not views that count, it's the amount of sales that result. It would be different if we were talking about a show that aired in prime-time or in a weekend-morning Kids block.
I would think that the majority of those SnS DVD purchases were made by the Otaku group, especially since we're dealing with Japan, where, unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much casual anime buying, and the industry/society is not really set up for it.Clearly -- that's the way it is with all late-night anime. They couldn't charge these prices (~$70 USD/disc x 8 volumes) if they were aiming for "the casual market". Lest people mistakenly believe that "all DVDs in Japan are priced that way", they're not. Only the specialty/Otaku stuff.
yezhanquan
2009-06-21, 20:59
From what I've heard, the magazine did mention that it is going to be a season 3 and it will air in October.
Links? Or even the name of the magazine? (Dengeki DaiOh?)
I hope the OP and ED music would be as amazing as the other seasons ... My favorite is Blaze :-p
Game8910
2009-06-22, 00:34
Well, I could only guess that when his power of existence was consumed in a fuzetsu, he did not have Reiji Maigo yet and cannot see the flames yet. Somehow, by luck, before he was to disappear, Reiji Maigo was transported to him. Still, I could say that he were not aware of flames because he did not encounter fuzetsu then. Only till the first episode of the series, when he was again in fuzetsu, he saw the flame for the first time. Again, this is just my speculation. You see, this speculation cannot treated as correct unless it is proven correct by the author.
no, he did have it, however being exposed to the fuzetsu for the first time suddently made him realize what the experience of feeling power of existence was like. In the novels at first he had to concentrate in order to see his own flame even after meeting Shana. He slowly started to learn to feel the presences. If he had never felt the fuzetsu to begin with, I doubt he would've been able to see the torches.
As a side note, can I ask about the ability of Yuji that is attributed to himself, rather than Reiji Maigo? Well, Reiji Maigo has given him the ability to walk in fuzetsu. But then, Yuji has a special ability to sense the change in power of existence, like sense the pulsating flame in the Shakugan no Shana Movie, whereas even Flame Haze cannot do so. Well, is the ability of sensing the change in power of existence attributed to himself, or to Reiji Maigo? If it is attributed to Reiji Maigo, then Johan would have such ability, but there is no mention of that.
I think the Reiji Maigo did give him some extra sensory abilities. If im not mistaken its often implied that the reiji maigo is the reason Yuji gained so many abilities so fast...but I could be wrong here
Marcus H.
2009-06-22, 01:57
By the way, do you think Friagne was the one who killed Yuji? I just had that thought when I remembered the epic amount of Power of Existence he needed to turn Marianne into an eternal being. (Whoa, is it alright to butt in speculations?)
Game8910, maybe you're right on the second one. Yuji looked cowardly when he first encountered Friange's Rinne. He didn't even save Yukari.
Terminator98
2009-06-22, 02:04
By the way, do you think Friagne was the one who killed Yuji? I just had that thought when I remembered the epic amount of Power of Existence he needed to turn Marianne into an eternal being. (Whoa, is it alright to butt in speculations?)
This thread is about SnS 3... XD
Anyways, just to reply, most probably, as Friagne was established in this town since quite some time, and Yuji lived here. There would've been no other way.
I hope the OP and ED music would be as amazing as the other seasons ... My favorite is Blaze :-p
NAAHHH, JOINT IS DAH BEST....
Ok, let's stop going off topic?? XD
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-22, 02:46
I think the Reiji Maigo did give him some extra sensory abilities. If im not mistaken its often implied that the reiji maigo is the reason Yuji gained so many abilities so fast...but I could be wrong here
Maybe you are right. Still, In Shakugan no Shana The Movie, you can see that Shana and Friagne attributed Yuji's sensory abilities to Reiji Maigo on separate occasions. I just feel that sometimes, we should give due credit to Yuji instead. When Yuji can perform certain ability, we cannot always say that it is due to Reiji Maigo.
Yuji looked cowardly when he first encountered Friange's Rinne. He didn't even save Yukari.
I think that it is unfair for you to say that. As mentioned in second episode of first season, other torches ran away after being told of the truth of Guze, with one of them trying to commit suicide. If I were in Yuji's position facing Friagne's Rinne, I would be very terrified, wouldn't you? How could he save Yukari? He had no power then.
Subsequently, he began to develop his abilities and is finally able to fight the Tomogara with Shana. In short, he is not a coward and some of us, including me, may not be able to surpass his determination and bravery to face Tomogara.
Anyways, just to reply, most probably, as Friagne was established in this town since quite some time, and Yuji lived here. There would've been no other way.
Ok, let's stop going off topic?? XD
That is my point. I did read from some earlier post that Yuji was possibly killed by Friagne's Rinne.
Terminator98:
Sorry for being off topic here. We are tying up some loose ends regarding Yuji. By now, it should be adequate enough.
NAAHHH, JOINT IS DAH BEST....
JOINT is epic, and everyone knows it. It's quite a popular song for use in MADs.
Terminator98
2009-06-22, 10:47
Indeed...
I wonder if it'll be Mami Kawada and Kotoko doing the songs again. XD
Maybe bring in Ichiko.
However, TomyHeavenly, Rie Fu or other of the big singers might attract there fan's attention to, which could prove benefiting for SnS.
FFrank227
2009-06-22, 11:17
Links? Or even the name of the magazine? (Dengeki DaiOh?)
The name of the magazine is Dengeki Bunko (http://dengekibunko.dengeki.com), unfortunately I do not have a link to the actual information as I only heard about its official announcement from other people who have read the magazine. :smile:
Indeed...
I wonder if it'll be Mami Kawada and Kotoko doing the songs again. XD
Maybe bring in Ichiko.
However, TomyHeavenly, Rie Fu or other of the big singers might attract there fan's attention to, which could prove benefiting for SnS.
Fairly certain they'd stick to I've to provide OP singers.
Terminator98
2009-06-23, 02:44
Yeah, but it'd be nice to add a few other in the mix. XD
The 24 episode season is 100% sure or do you think that they might change? Like 12 season episode ( due to the little amount of things to cover left )
Marcus H.
2009-06-23, 02:49
Then they would be inconsistent for an anime which spanned 24 eps per series.
I'm not too psyched to see fillers, but if they could patch up things they haven't pondered on in the novels, then I'm up for it. (Non-novel stuff which is done well can be good too.)
(BTW, does anyone of you have an idea how far MangaHelpers have been doing on Shana: Harukanaru Uta?)
oompa loompa
2009-06-23, 08:11
I sure hope this is season 3. I also hope Kazumi dies in it ;D
forget her dying, when she gets rejected (assuming that she was rejected at the end of S2 that is) i hope she snaps, goes crazy, and goes on some kind of rampage ( god knows how)
kaede-esque (shuffle) if i may use the term
now that would be interesting. people just dont see her true potential :heh:
Game8910
2009-06-23, 08:23
forget her dying, when she gets rejected (assuming that she was rejected at the end of S2 that is) i hope she snaps, goes crazy, and goes on some kind of rampage ( god knows how)
kaede-esque (shuffle) if i may use the term
now that would be interesting. people just dont see her true potential :heh:
Shana-tan Kazumi was thus born
MeoTwister5
2009-06-23, 08:28
Am I the only one who still thinks that seeing Shana smile at the end still proves nothing?
And even if it did, I sure hope it doesn't become the generic "Tsun beats the shit out of her wussy boyfriend daily" crap that pervades the character relationship archetypes. Then again, Yuji grew a pair of steel testicles after the fail that the was first half of season 2, so I'll be here hoping we get something similar to the awesome that was season 1.
spawnofthejudge
2009-06-23, 08:45
And even if it did, I sure hope it doesn't become the generic "Tsun beats the shit out of her wussy boyfriend daily" crap that pervades the character relationship archetypes. Then again, Yuji grew a pair of steel testicles after the fail that the was first half of season 2, so I'll be here hoping we get something similar to the awesome that was season 1.I don't think we have a Louise here. Yuji may take his lumps (like practically every male lead ever), but it's never been overblown, and it's been toned down gradually over the series. If they go backwards on that, I'll be :frustrated:. After all, that kind of thing's already been done (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZeroNoTsukaima) by these seiyuu. I hope that the only good way to describe Yuji and Shana will be as a Battle Couple (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BattleCouple). Disclaimer: I am not responsible for time lost while following a tvtropes link.
One off-the-wall reason I want Shana to have actually got the answer she was looking for is now we would get to see whether Ike gets rejected even if Yoshida can't have Yuji (Dude! What a plot that would be, if she said no anyway!)
Game8910
2009-06-23, 09:16
ye Louise is just over the top tsun (which I find annoying), in Shana's case, she doesn't get physical unless its really necessary (closet incident anyone?), Shana is more like the dog who will bark, but wont bite unless provoked.
Terminator98
2009-06-23, 12:27
yeah... the anime Louise anyways, the novel Louise isn't like that. XD And, she does this because Saito is more idiot than Yuji...
Off-topic aside...
Does anyone know when a new SnS novel volume will come out?? I'm fed up of waiting to know what'll happen to Yuji and Shana... XD
FFrank227
2009-06-23, 12:45
yeah... the anime Louise anyways, the novel Louise isn't like that. XD And, she does this because Saito is more idiot than Yuji...
Off-topic aside...
Does anyone know when a new SnS novel volume will come out?? I'm fed up of waiting to know what'll happen to Yuji and Shana... XD
September 10th.
darktruth
2009-06-23, 14:49
The name of the magazine is Dengeki Bunko (http://dengekibunko.dengeki.com), unfortunately I do not have a link to the actual information as I only heard about its official announcement from other people who have read the magazine. :smile:
Seems like they're leading you on a little bit.
http://shanachan.konosutekinabasho.net/sha/src/1244695976204.jpg
A new series is not confirmed yet but more information will be announced on the 10th of July according to that page from the magazine.
Seems like the current project is more aimed at merchandise according this part below (3d artbook of Noizi Itou on the 10th of August and an anime information book on the 1st & 2nd season and limited DVD for season 2 only coming this Autumn).
http://shanachan.konosutekinabasho.net/sha/src/1244696566712.jpg
Terminator98
2009-06-23, 14:52
Oh noes!!! You are really dark, truth!
darktruth
2009-06-23, 15:01
Well at least there will be a new Shanatan on the limited DVD for the All About Shakugan no Shana II guide book. They say it will have Shana's revenge XD.
Game8910
2009-06-23, 15:08
wha...? aimed at merchandize? Shakugan no Shana III - The Informercial
blue knight stare
2009-06-23, 15:10
yeah i guess
Terminator98
2009-06-23, 15:15
NOOOOOEEESSSSSSSS!!!!
*Goes weep in the corner*
Well... I wonder what they'll say on July... BUT, IF NO SHANA III, THEN MAYBE ZnT 4 !!! ( 50% chance though.... )
Still, I want this to be more that just a Shana-Tan...
darktruth
2009-06-23, 15:15
People, what I meant is that there IS a new Shana anime in the works but it has NOT been confirmed as a 3rd season yet. We will have to wait til the 10th of July for more info on what this new anime project is.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the new Shanatan though to see what Shana will do to get her revenge on Konoe lol.
Game8910
2009-06-23, 15:17
oh well Shanatan is just as good
Terminator98
2009-06-23, 15:19
*reads*
Shana-tan is good, but shana tan usually comes AFTER a season! Well, let's just wait and see.
*dries tears up*
relentlessflame
2009-06-23, 15:23
Yeah, generally speaking, this glut of merchandising is usually the pre-cursor to a continuation. In particular, releasing the Shana II guidebook would make sense before the continuation, as it's a way of bringing people back up-to-speed on the anime story. We'll see, of course, but I don't think this has really changed all that much re: the expected announcement.
FFrank227
2009-06-23, 19:57
Seems like they're leading you on a little bit.
A new series is not confirmed yet but more information will be announced on the 10th of July according to that page from the magazine.
Seems like the current project is more aimed at merchandise according this part below (3d artbook of Noizi Itou on the 10th of August and an anime information book on the 1st & 2nd season and limited DVD for season 2 only coming this Autumn).
Ah darn so it looks like I've been fooled; it was the 10th of July, not June. :upset: Well, I can't wait to hear what they announce on July 10th! :cool:
KimmyChan
2009-06-24, 06:07
oh well Shanatan is just as good
I agree, and the new Season 3 Shanatan episodes will be just as fun :D
Dr. Casey
2009-06-27, 05:06
Am I the only one who still thinks that seeing Shana smile at the end still proves nothing?
And even if it did, I sure hope it doesn't become the generic "Tsun beats the shit out of her wussy boyfriend daily" crap that pervades the character relationship archetypes.
Nah. Shana's never been that domineering or abusive towards Yuji, and Yuji's almost never given her much reason to be annoyed (The time where she's most frustrated with him, during the early parts of season one where she's beginning to develop feelings for him, is because he has a positive influence on her). For things to go under that archetype, they would not only have to change their dynamics, but reverse the character development they've already undergone (Shana becomes much more dere, not tsun, during Shana II - her protective streak's a lot more pronounced - and Yuji's been pretty tough and capable since the very beginning). So, I don't think there's much risk of what you're dreading to see.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if Shana II's ending was a red herring (Or at least reversed somehow), but I hope it wasn't. I could picture Shana and Yuji pulling a Clannad in that they'll be a couple that's too shy to do relationship things.
Terminator98
2009-06-27, 05:22
Nah. Shana's never been that domineering or abusive towards Yuji, and Yuji's almost never given her much reason to be annoyed (The time where she's most frustrated with him, during the early parts of season one where she's beginning to develop feelings for him, is because he has a positive influence on her). For things to go under that archetype, they would not only have to change their dynamics, but reverse the character development they've already undergone (Shana becomes much more dere, not tsun, during Shana II - her protective streak's a lot more pronounced - and Yuji's been pretty tough and capable since the very beginning). So, I don't think there's much risk of what you're dreading to see.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if Shana II's ending was a red herring (Or at least reversed somehow), but I hope it wasn't. I could picture Shana and Yuji pulling a Clannad in that they'll be a couple that's too shy to do relationship things.
100% agree... Shana is no Louise... XD
One thing though... Yoshida is being left out... what wil happen to her? XD
Marcus H.
2009-06-27, 08:36
Except if Khamsin returns, Yoshida might sink back into the sidelines. (BTW, I have a hunch this won't happen, anyway. I think the novels don't go that way.) The bad thing is, she dumped Ike, so there's no other possible pair but to pull off a Khamsin x Kazumi. And with her determination to not let Shana take Yuji, she won't use Giralda either.
Shana's relationship will be less painful in Yuji's part in III, that's for sure. :D
Terminator98
2009-06-27, 13:42
I am all for Yoshida + Khamsim (although the probality is near zero...)!
Ike can go... I don't know, It was him anyways that put Yoshida in such a postion after all, insisting on the bond between Shana and Yuji not being "Romantic". He got himself into that... XD
One thing that I might forsee is Ike using Yoshida's Hougou instead of her... to show his true love... XD Then we see Yoshida crying etc... then epic end... ( hopefully with Yuji and Shana both alive... )
sht... why am I talking of the end anyways... I don't want it to end! XD
velvet nightmare
2009-06-28, 21:24
does it look like there would be enough material for a new season?
it looks more like they'd need a few more novels for there to be another 24 episode season no? (assuming they don't do an OVA or short 12 episode season or something)
Considering they turned novel 14 into 6 episodes, I don't really know if there's any proper measure of how many novels would be required.
Ofcourse, none of the proper foreshadowing for the current story arc in the novels was in the anime because it was cut out (the foreshadowing goes as far back as the Friagne arc in the novels), but the end of the second season sets it up so that this (if it is indeed the third season) would start with the arc. Believe me, this arc would make as much sense as a flying penguin living on a tropical island if we don't somehow get all that earlier material that hints at it somehow, so I'm almost certain that about 1/3 of this possible 3rd season is going to be an original story arc to patch things up.
mitsuganae
2009-06-29, 08:52
Whatever happens, I hope the powers that be schedule things so that the novel series will be allowed to conclude, and that there is enough time so that said conclusion could be animated (rather than some anime-original conclusion, which is what happened to Toradora, if memory serves). This of course assumes that the novel series is winding down, and that the third animated season would be the final one (please correct me if any of these assumptions are questionable).
Whatever happens, I hope the powers that be schedule things so that the novel series (or its current arc) will be allowed to conclude and that there is enough time so that said conclusion could be animated (rather than some anime-original conclusion, which is what happened to Toradora, if memory serves). This of course assumes that the novel series is winding down, and that the third animated season would be the final one (please correct me if either of these assumptions are questionable).
Toradora was not an anime original ending. They ran it pretty close to the novel release, but they got a summary of the 10th novel from the author before animating it.
mitsuganae
2009-06-29, 09:30
Thanks for the correction. I'm not familiar with the Toradora franchise, but I've encountered quite a few fans who think that the anime conclusion diverges enough from the novel series conclusion to be considered anime original (hence what I said in my other post). Whatever -- I'm not taking sides on that issue since Toradora doesn't interest me too much at the moment.
But I don't exactly want Shana to go the way of the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime series, which had to go on an (apparently inferior) anime original path when the ongoing source material was exhausted.
velvet nightmare
2009-06-29, 11:53
^ agree with fma analogy
though was episodes 1 to like 10 in the second season all novel too? i thought it was like side story filler or something, when i watched it, it was complete trash
what im trying to get at was the lack of progression and im not sure if the content was novel or not
FFrank227
2009-06-29, 16:04
^ agree with fma analogy
though was episodes 1 to like 10 in the second season all novel too? i thought it was like side story filler or something, when i watched it, it was complete trash
what im trying to get at was the lack of progression and im not sure if the content was novel or not
Episodes 1-11 of the second season are filler material, I believe. Beyond that is novel material up until episode 22(I think).
alvinkhorfire
2009-06-30, 01:37
Episodes 1-11 of the second season are filler material, I believe. Beyond that is novel material up until episode 22(I think).
I believe that you are slightly incorrect there. Episodes 8-9 of the second season regarding Margery Daw's flashback are from Novel Volume S.
Episodes 1-11 of the second season are filler material, I believe. Beyond that is novel material up until episode 22(I think).
*Sigh*
Let's recap.
1-2 = Game adaptation
3-6 = Anime original Konoe arc
7 = Anime original standalone episode
8-9 = "Milestone", from the S sidestory collection in the novel series with select material from novel 11 (the Shana and Yuji parts)
10-11 = Novel 11 mixed in with scraps from Novel 9
12-13 = Novel 12
14-15 = Novel 13
16-22 = Novel 14
End of 22-24 = Anime original ending
FFrank227
2009-06-30, 10:35
Ah, next time I should double check before posting. :uhoh: Thanks for the correction guys. ^^
velvet nightmare
2009-06-30, 12:12
which parts of 22-24 were anime only?
i assume the konoe parts?
which parts of 22-24 were anime only?
Everything onward from the point when Hecate shows up at the end of 22 is anime original.
Even the end where Shana is smiling as if she sees Yuji coming is anime original, though I'm not going to go into details of why it isn't in the novel due to the fact that a full explaination would be a massive spoiler.
FFrank227
2009-07-02, 10:58
According to this (http://blog.mediaworks.co.jp/wp_test14/?p=43), it appears to be an OVA series.
relentlessflame
2009-07-02, 11:03
According to this (http://blog.mediaworks.co.jp/wp_test14/?p=43), it appears to be an OVA series.That sure is a strange way to accidentally announce it, but you're definitely right. Idle speculation on my part that they decided to make Railgun a TV series and expand Shana with some more OVAs, and they might go back to a Shana TV series when the end of the novels are in sight? Either that or I suppose they could use OVAs to conclude the story, but not sure if that's real likely... Anyway, hard to say, but yeah -- definitely suggests we'll be getting some OVAs for now.
FFrank227
2009-07-02, 11:46
That sure is a strange way to accidentally announce it, but you're definitely right. Idle speculation on my part that they decided to make Railgun a TV series and expand Shana with some more OVAs, and they might go back to a Shana TV series when the end of the novels are in sight? Either that or I suppose they could use OVAs to conclude the story, but not sure if that's real likely... Anyway, hard to say, but yeah -- definitely suggests we'll be getting some OVAs for now.
I agree, what a weird way to announce a new series. :D I speculate that the new OVA series will allow them to follow the novel material in its entirety from the very beginning or where season 2 left off with a simultaneous conclusion, or maybe they will expand upon the short stories, who knows! Regardless, I am very much looking forward to it. :)
Game8910
2009-07-02, 14:26
an OVA usually means better quality too...I cant wait
digger314
2009-07-03, 22:37
What did you see? I just saw "maintenance mode". Guess it was already taken down?
relentlessflame
2009-07-03, 23:35
What did you see? I just saw "maintenance mode". Guess it was already taken down?NeoSam has a screenshot in the new anime thread. It was basically a tentative/pre-release schedule for an upcoming MediaWorks anime festival, where they had a panel scheduled for the "Shakugan no Shana OVA Series". But it was taken down shortly after being mentioned on Moonphase, since obviously this isn't something they intended to announce in this way. So I guess just call it "leaked information"; expect official confirmation to most likely come in the next few weeks.
digger314
2009-07-04, 00:43
NeoSam has a screenshot in the new anime thread. It was basically a tentative/pre-release schedule for an upcoming MediaWorks anime festival, where they had a panel scheduled for the "Shakugan no Shana OVA Series". But it was taken down shortly after being mentioned on Moonphase, since obviously this isn't something they intended to announce in this way. So I guess just call it "leaked information"; expect official confirmation to most likely come in the next few weeks.
Heh thanks. Wonder what the OVA is about.
NeoSam has a screenshot in the new anime thread. It was basically a tentative/pre-release schedule for an upcoming MediaWorks anime festival, where they had a panel scheduled for the "Shakugan no Shana OVA Series". But it was taken down shortly after being mentioned on Moonphase, since obviously this isn't something they intended to announce in this way. So I guess just call it "leaked information"; expect official confirmation to most likely come in the next few weeks.
Is this a official thread
I'd imagine the OVA would be a few sidestories. Or novel 10.
Marcus H.
2009-07-04, 08:56
Yep. Eternal Song will be a good series to watch. :D
FatalMemory
2009-07-05, 10:00
I'd love it if these OVAs were something original, like the story of the previous flame haze Mathilde and the great war or something.
But that'd be hoping for far too much out of JC Staff, it'll probably just be something with lots of fan service.
HailEmperor
2009-07-05, 15:59
OVA means an even higher production value. To Aru Majutsu no Index had the same art director as the Shana anime, and no Index's animation was visually high-end pleasing. Very. And the upcoming Railgun series (another series I'm definitely waiting on) will have the same team. With that, I'd say they have improved greatly.
So I'm really looking forward to the OVA. I can only hope it follows the novel more closely this time around
But that'd be hoping for far too much out of JC Staff, it'll probably just be something with lots of fan service.
I don't believe so. Given their recent track record, they have been quite tamed, really. It's sufficiently evident in their work with Index and Hayate no Gotoku S2. Even season 1 and 2 of Shana didn't have that much fanservice. It was kept at minimum for the most part.
darryllamperouge
2009-07-05, 23:45
I wish i could watch it sooner in the philippines^^ and im looking forward for it
Darknemo2000
2009-07-06, 02:58
I don't believe so. Given their recent track record, they have been quite tamed, really. It's sufficiently evident in their work with Index and Hayate no Gotoku S2. Even season 1 and 2 of Shana didn't have that much fanservice. It was kept at minimum for the most part.
We are talking about OVA's here not the series. Look what were the last OVA's... ZnT OVA anyone?
Terminator98
2009-07-06, 03:33
We are talking about OVA's here not the series. Look what were the last OVA's... ZnT OVA anyone?
Dark... ZnT IS an exception... I agree that I didn't see alot of fanservice in the Shakugan No Shana series... well, apart from it's OVA.
If they were to have an ova maybe they should give a preview on season 3 prolouge
alvinkhorfire
2009-07-07, 02:01
So, the Shana OVA will be released on DVD, right? Then, does that particular DVD have anything else other the OVA?
http://ranobe.com/up/src/up373525.jpg
new OVA series Shakugan no Shana S vol. 1
will release on 23 oct
in BD/DVD format
story content: short story in Itou Noidi illustration collection Gu-ren: reshuffle
http://ranobe.com/up/src/up373525.jpg
new OVA series Shakugan no Shana S vol. 1
will release on 23 oct
in BD/DVD format
story content: short story in Itou Noidi illustration collection Gu-ren: reshuffle
I thought is a season 3 turn out to be an ova :( but hope that next year have season 3 and what is SnS novel S is about?
Looks like it's just side stories, considering it's being called "Shakugan no Shana S". Pity, I wanted novel 10.
Oh well, Reshuffle should be fun to watch.
Game8910
2009-07-07, 10:48
hmmm not what i expected, but will definitely watch anyways
FFrank227
2009-07-07, 11:18
Great! Gives the author more time to write more novels. :)
darktruth
2009-07-07, 11:46
Looks like the extras on the OVA will be the usual audio commentary and a Shana-tan short in addition to an exclusive first press artwork slipcase by Noizi Itou. Will be interesting as to whether the Shana-tan on the OVA will be a completely different one or the same one as the Shana-tan Revenge short on the DVD that will come with the Shana II guide book.
further information
actually season 3 seems planning and new OVA series are for supplementary,
make season 3 story more understandable (?)
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9074/630450.jpg
dengeki kandume, seems no additional information at all
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7167/shanaproject2009.jpg
further information
actually season 3 seems planning and new OVA series are for supplementary,
make season 3 story more understandable (?)
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9074/630450.jpg
dengeki kandume, seems no additional information at all
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7167/shanaproject2009.jpg
So should keep our hopes high for season 3?
spawnofthejudge
2009-07-08, 09:09
further information
actually season 3 seems planning and new OVA series are for supplementary,
make season 3 story more understandable (?)
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9074/630450.jpg
dengeki kandume, seems no additional information at all
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7167/shanaproject2009.jpg
So the OVAs are to fill in gaps so that they can do the plots of the later novels without a complete retool?
That'd be nice...
FFrank227
2009-07-08, 10:51
Yes, producer Nobuhiro Nakayama wants to "go into the background of characters and their deep relationships". That's why we're getting the OVA series first, followed by a 3rd season.
Game8910
2009-07-08, 12:49
Shana III for spring 2010 im calling it
velvet nightmare
2009-07-08, 13:02
makes sense, since shana II deviated a bit from the plot and skipped out on a few things?
Zantetsuken
2009-07-08, 21:15
So season III will feature the novel ending? According to ANN Nakayama says that he is aiming for the finale of the storyline. That means the novel is ending to doesn't it?
Ideologies
2009-07-08, 22:27
So season III will feature the novel ending? According to ANN Nakayama says that he is aiming for the finale of the storyline. That means the novel is ending to doesn't it?
I hope not =(
MegamiMiko
2009-07-10, 13:27
I've been predicting that it would end with novel 20, but who knows?
Marcus H.
2009-07-11, 06:32
Story BG's of characters? Hmm...
Margery's BG is one of the "wildest" of the character BG's if ever.
Khamsin's will be interesting Leanan-Sidhe's also, who suddenly appeared in the form of Lamies.
I really hope Wilhelmina's BG is given more focus since it also has a part of Shana's childhood.
Terminator98
2009-07-15, 05:04
BG = ???? Background??
alvinkhorfire
2009-07-17, 02:49
http://ranobe.com/up/src/up373525.jpg
new OVA series Shakugan no Shana S vol. 1
will release on 23 oct
in BD/DVD format
story content: short story in Itou Noidi illustration collection Gu-ren: reshuffle
By the usual convention, how many episodes does an OVA series contain?
Pardon my ignorance, I cannot see why the side story of "reshuffle" is being used to "go into the background of characters and their deep relationships". This short story is not even a part of Novels. Won't it be better to use the material from Volume 0, Volume 10 or even Volume S / S2? :confused:
relentlessflame
2009-07-17, 03:00
By the usual convention, how many episodes does an OVA series contain?I guess the average is maybe 3 or 4 volumes? You see up to 6 from time-to-time (and a few cases with even more), but I'm not sure I'd expect that many with a third season to follow.
alvinkhorfire
2009-07-17, 04:43
Thanks for the answer, relentlessflame.
I am hoping that some parts of Novel Volume 0, 10, 15 and S2 will be animated in the OVA series. However, I guess that it may be a bit too far-fetched since they subsequently have to focus their attention on Season 3.
Marcus H.
2009-07-17, 08:57
@Terminator98
Yeah, BG is background.
@topic
Do you think they'll consult Ito Noizi for non-anime, non-manga, non-novel but canon backgrounds? I just have a hunch that making an OVA out of a background check for the characters will be had until they had enough material for that.
darktruth
2009-07-17, 10:19
@topic
Do you think they'll consult Ito Noizi for non-anime, non-manga, non-novel but canon backgrounds? I just have a hunch that making an OVA out of a background check for the characters will be had until they had enough material for that.
Why would they contact Noizi Itou for the story when she's just responsible for the character designs? Yashichiro Takahashi is the one they should be asking.
Marcus H.
2009-07-18, 09:05
Aw. Got mixed up. I was referring to Takahashi-san.
prnoct90
2009-07-18, 17:56
How many of the light novels have been animated so far?
OmniDragon
2009-07-18, 19:40
The second season ended around the end of 14
Nietono no Shana
2009-07-20, 13:04
Story from OVA:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5504/ovac.png
Source: http://item.rakuten.co.jp/s-premium/gnxa1151/
Could someone translate it in english?
Uh... it's titled "Reshuffle," it mentions Friagne, and something about searching for a Hougu. And it mentions Shana and Yuuji. I think what it says is that they're going to look for a Hougu that Friagne left behind. Something about a giant toy, as well. Er... "the telescope that Yuuji obtained by happenstance was actually a Hougu!?" Aaand... "Can Shana and Yuuji make it back safely!?"
My Japanese is really bad but that's what I managed to get out of it.
darktruth
2009-07-21, 01:44
It's basically describing that Yuji and Shana visit an abandoned department store searching for a treasure Friagne left behind inside a giant toy's body, however, Yuji accidentally switches both his and Shana's body around thanks to the telescope in his hand (they discover that that is also a treasure). The last sentence basically says can the two switch their bodies back safely.
Game8910
2009-07-21, 01:46
sounds......funny? lol w/e its Shana so i'll still like it
Rising Dragon
2009-07-21, 01:47
Poor Yuji. He won't even have boobs of his own to fondle to make the whole experience worthwhile.
darktruth
2009-07-21, 01:52
I wonder what kinds of jokes they can make about this OVA in the shana-tan DVD extra lol, especially with the switching of the bodies between the two.
Nietono no Shana
2009-07-21, 07:07
Thanks for the Translation ^^
hayate-sama
2009-07-21, 09:18
anybody who interested in the body-switching story can go look up for the scan of the artbook "gu-ren" by Noizi Itou, but it only have three picture but I 'm really looking forward to this story. Somebody said this in the novel thread :
i think yuji once touched shana's breast and did all kinds of perverted things (in shana's eyes), when he and shana exchanged bodies. it was hilarious though. speaking of pervert i have this pic:p:p:p
and this too
yes, and he thought shana's underwear was too tight. hahaha:D:D:D
Terminator98
2009-07-21, 13:58
I think that we are in for a few laughs... I wonder what shana will feel about Yuji's body.............
Hmmm.... *pensive pose*
I can't kick out the Shana-Tan things out of my head...
One thing though... this means that Shana is now a torch and Yuji an flame haze... SUGOI!!!
relentlessflame
2009-07-21, 17:29
By the way, today's update on Moon Phase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20090721#p10) says that the OVA series will be 4 episodes long, and all the main staff and cast will return. So, not much new, but always good to have extra details.
mitsuganae
2009-07-22, 00:17
^ Forgive me for being linguistically challenged, but does that Moon Phase update state how long each episode will be? Or are we just to assume that each episode will be the usual half-hour?
velvet nightmare
2009-07-22, 12:46
is this actually in the novels?
i thought the ova was supposed to tie up loose ends or something to continue on to season 3
Terminator98
2009-07-22, 15:47
I think it was more the SnS II guide book that was supposed to do that if I understood well from previous posts.
relentlessflame
2009-07-22, 21:42
^ Forgive me for being linguistically challenged, but does that Moon Phase update state how long each episode will be? Or are we just to assume that each episode will be the usual half-hour?It doesn't say, but I would assume they will be normal episode length, perhaps with slightly more variable length due to lack of strict editing constraints. There are some OVA series where episodes run significantly longer, but not too many.
mitsuganae
2009-07-22, 23:46
^Many thanks, relentlessflame. Part of me hoped for longer episodes (such as the Marimite OVAs, which were 50 minutes each), but I suppose I shouldn't expect that much.
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