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serenade_beta
2009-06-06, 16:26
...
*looks outside*
*goes outside*
*calls friends*
...
Hmm? I could have sworn I had landed in a different dimension...
...To sum up my thoughts on the episode, it would be:
"Just what did this episode want to do?"
Because... to be frank, nothing important at all happened. It was just a sad story about an enemy soldier who gets shot after running away and dying. Not only that, but I'm very sure that Alicia's character was wrong. Did I miss 2 episodes in-between? This episode is so all of a sudden with sudden "romantic" scenes that I was just left speechless... in a bad meaning, of course.
The actual story about the soldier was sad and well done though... But just... There was something wrong with this episode.
Preview: ED! ED! ED!
Well, that assures it; this VC is definitely an AU version.
This one was a HEAVY modification of the original. No action in this episode, but a lot of talking and giving the war a "human face".
Alicia/Welkin shipping by the boatloads!
Fritz (the Imperial soldier) certainly survived a lot longer than in the game. And he got to explain his story before he kicked the bucket. I liked how he used the unpinned grenade to make Welkin and Alicia cooperate.
I didn't think Jann would be made out to be a more supportive character, but I'm guessing most of Squad Seven is going to be given his/her moment to shine.
Great character development for Alicia and Welkin, but not much else. Still, I gave it a 9 because of how well the episode did its job.
Preview is voiced by EDY! AWESOME!
Cordelia's debut!
And... Borg's debut...
ELLET RETURNS!!! OH! EM! GEE!
HUH?! Selvaria and Jaeger show up at the ball as spies?! And Johaan their getaway driver?! Wow, talk about an original turn for the story...
Alicia and Isara look so kawaii in those dresses.
Lol at Jaeger flirting with Alicia. Chalk up another cute Alicia face!
Jeez, Jaeger's like James Bond in this one, martini's and all (minus the fast sex scenes).
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-06-06, 19:28
Well this episode has completely convinced me that this show will be very different than the game and I'll just have to accept that. This episode was pretty decent overall, but everything seemed a little bit akward and out of place in transition from the previous episode.
i didnt like this episode.
felt filler-ish, well the last 4 episodes have felt like filler to me ... this show is a lot different from i expected from watching the first 5. And from looking at the preview ep 11 looks like more fan service filler. I guess I shouldnt complain much because this series handles fillers exceptionally well (like in ep6). Seems like this series is going to focus a lot on characters and less on plot.
Bonta Kun
2009-06-07, 00:08
Well this episode has completely convinced me that this show will be very different than the game and I'll just have to accept that. This episode was pretty decent overall, but everything seemed a little bit akward and out of place in transition from the previous episode.
haha well thats anime for ya:p
just take note of what serenade_beta said while back "should treat the game and anime as 2 different things"
Thats what I do with anime and gaming and even manga.
I'm not bothered its diffferent, all good to me especially given the next ep OMG can't wait for that!:hyper-^v^:
but this ep was fairly nice, stuff with Welkin and Alicia is great, gotta love that flustered doe-eyed look she gave Welkin:D
all I can say about the lad is he's got a will as strong as steel to not have taken advantage of the situation, not sure this is a good or bad thing:heh:
Haruyasha
2009-06-07, 03:45
A snowstorm? lol.
don_Durandal
2009-06-07, 06:19
For a future hero of Gallia this alternate Welkin sure is skipping a lot of battle action.
Yep, alternate universe alright.
Wonder how they'll justify two generals of the Empire showing up at Gallia's court in the middle of a war.
Not to mention lowly Sgt. Melchiott Alicia and Cpl. Gunther Isara being invited.
They just couldn't pass on the occasion to add character eyecandy I guess.
justinstrife
2009-06-07, 13:55
For a future hero of Gallia this alternate Welkin sure is skipping a lot of battle action.
Yep, alternate universe alright.
Wonder how they'll justify two generals of the Empire showing up at Gallia's court in the middle of a war.
Not to mention lowly Sgt. Melchiott Alicia and Cpl. Gunther Isara being invited.
They just couldn't pass on the occasion to add character eyecandy I guess.
This is getting to be very disappointing. :upset:
cloner4000
2009-06-07, 14:48
The Forest Snare Chapter-non-combat option..haha I actually think the scene where Alicia sprain her ankle and Welkin applying herb to her would be more better..but yea...Fritz(don't even think that's his name in the anime) sure is sturdy.
Deathkillz
2009-06-07, 17:29
Well I thought it was a nice relaxing episode and it did a good job at making me see the tragic side of this war, even though all wars at like that in general.
As for Alicia x Welkin...it was great to see the girl take the initiative and the guy getting all flustered about it XD
Ahh so Edy has the "wata[ku]shi wa" type voice :rolleyes:
Omniscient
2009-06-07, 19:48
I agree (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/06/07/valkyria-chronicles-10/) with Deathkillz, it was a good episode and not filler at all.
It may not be the most original, but it was a nice story to emphasize how war is hell, and I like the direction they're taking things in general.
kind of disappointed that the anime is not a retelling of the story but a reinterpretation.
I am glad to see more detailed background to the characters, but at the same time I kind of missed all those battle scenes in the game. Guess they listened to their critics about unrealistic combats that they decided not to spend more time on them~unless it's necessary. Which is a pity though, since that would mean the rest of the squad would just be back up characters instead of great soldiers.
(i want to see a marina penetrative headshot........
Welp.
- No subs.
- No battles.
- No plot. (Jaeger and Selvaria. Generals. Spying. Right. This makes sense how?)
- Nonsense. (... dresses? To a noble's ball? When you're essentially the hired help? Military Dress Uniform yes, dress, no.)
Is there any point to watching this any longer?
relentlessflame
2009-06-07, 21:19
kind of disappointed that the anime is not a retelling of the story but a reinterpretation.
I am glad to see more detailed background to the characters, but at the same time I kind of missed all those battle scenes in the game. Guess they listened to their critics about unrealistic combats that they decided not to spend more time on them~unless it's necessary. Which is a pity though, since that would mean the rest of the squad would just be back up characters instead of great soldiers.
(i want to see a marina penetrative headshot........I think it's probably best to think that both the anime and the game complement each other. By experiencing both, you would probably get the best experience of the Valkyria Chronicles world. People always have a tendency to think their first experience of a franchise is the best one (since that's what they got attached to), but I think there's probably stuff to appreciate in both approaches. (I know that since this is my own first experience of the franchise, I really appreciate the personable, character-driven direction of the story -- it's very approachable and appealing for me.)
Is there any point to watching this any longer?Apparently none for you? :heh: I don't think people should force themselves to watch shows they don't enjoy, because it's a waste of precious time. But, I for one am enjoying the way it's going, so... *shrug*
It's really good for me...
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-06-07, 21:37
Is there any point to watching this any longer?
I'm contemplating whether or not I should continue watching this show. I do believe this latest episode was good in its own right, but the direction this show seems to be going, I'm losing interest in it. Its not just that there is not a lot of action(I am an advid fan of dailogue/character driven shows), but I just keep losing interest in the characters as the show moves along.
relentlessflame
2009-06-07, 21:44
Its not just that there is not a lot of action(I am an advid fan of dailogue/character driven shows), but I just keep losing interest in the characters as the show moves along.I guess it's interesting in the sense that we may be starting to see a major divergence in opinion at this point. I guess it just goes to say that different people were looking for different things in the show, and not everyone will necessarily have their expectations fulfilled. (I have to admit that I'm sort of curious as to what the underlying reason for this divergence might be -- is it a personality thing, I wonder? Hmm...)
Anyway, I guess all I hope is that people will be continue to be understanding enough to appreciate that there are other perfectly okay ways of looking at the show as well.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-06-07, 21:58
Anyway, I guess all I hope is that people will be continue to be understanding enough to appreciate that there are other perfectly okay ways of looking at the show as well.
I agree, and I've always been okay with alterations of a previous work if it still catches my interest. The case with Valkyria Chronicles though is that these changes havn't caught my interest enough to keep me commited to the show. The previews for the next episode are giving off some bad vibes for me, but I'll give this show about 3-5 more episodes before I consider dropping it or sticking with it, unless the next few episodes are total disasters for me.
justinstrife
2009-06-07, 21:59
I'm contemplating whether or not I should continue watching this show. I do believe this latest episode was good in its own right, but the direction this show seems to be going, I'm losing interest in it. Its not just that there is not a lot of action(I am an advid fan of dailogue/character driven shows), but I just keep losing interest in the characters as the show moves along.
I'll still watch this show to the end, however it's dropped off my 'must watch ASAP' list. More like when I get around to it.
yezhanquan
2009-06-08, 03:07
Well, there are many ways to wage war. If Max is trying to bring down Gallia through espionage and not through battles, then kudos to him.
Manji Midou
2009-06-08, 04:24
from the perspective of a person who has played the game the preview for the next had me at...
:dots::hmm::meh:
from the perspective of a person who has played the game the preview for the next had me at...
:dots::hmm::meh:
:heh:
Those look to be some mighty fine anime original scenes. I approve.
Tyrone Biggums
2009-06-09, 08:13
I'll watch this show to the end...At least if we can get some damn subs!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
i never played the game before, i dont mind the anime is different from it
this episode seems to focus on the development between Alicia and Welkin
and yeah Welkin may be gay :)
relentlessflame
2009-06-10, 12:15
and yeah Welkin may be gay :):heh: Definitely not, but he's certainly "emotionally awkward". In general terms, it seems like he interacts with women the way he interacts with other species. :heh:
Which works well enough, since women are practically another species as far as I'm concerned :p. Not to mention it's not like Welkin is unlikeable because of it.
Red Lupine
2009-06-12, 15:32
are we supposed to assume that Welkin has been in battles they don't show?
or does he still have only 2 victories under his belt?
don_Durandal
2009-06-12, 16:55
He has only two victories under his belt since he joined the army in the anime. Other battles were mentioned (like Gregor capturing Fouzen), but there's no hint of squad 7 taking part in any of them that I can remember of.
justinstrife
2009-06-12, 20:05
are we supposed to assume that Welkin has been in battles they don't show?
or does he still have only 2 victories under his belt?
In the game yes he has more victories. In the anime no.
Edy in the preview speaks the absolute truth.
Red Lupine
2009-06-13, 08:43
He has only two victories under his belt since he joined the army in the anime. Other battles were mentioned (like Gregor capturing Fouzen), but there's no hint of squad 7 taking part in any of them that I can remember of.
well, that's one way of being undefeated
Darknemo2000
2009-06-13, 12:12
Yeah. If you don't take part in battle's you will stay undefeated. Very good idea indeed.
Gleam provided again with a sub of episode 10.
Subs REALLY helped with this one. Got to learn lots of Alicia and Welkin's backgrounds.
Mikhail Weber, huh? He's not named Fritz? Whatever...
The Empire is truly ruled by the bureaucrats, it seems. I hate governments like that. They make things more complicated than they need to be. No real workaround, though...
Jann's surprisingly wiser than one would think of the flamboyant lancer.
Edy is awesome. She again breaks the fourth wall by asking why she hasn't had more screen time.:heh:
Nice subs, and a great episode. Time to wait around for the next one, where we get to see Cordelia.
Red Lupine
2009-06-13, 13:07
I don't have a ps3, so I haven't played the game, but can someone tell me why so many of you love Edy so much?
I don't have a ps3, so I haven't played the game, but can someone tell me why so many of you love Edy so much?
Her part in the preview basically sums up why we love her so much. That is her lovely, winning personality that i adore.
don_Durandal
2009-06-13, 16:53
I don't have a ps3, so I haven't played the game, but can someone tell me why so many of you love Edy so much?
Because she's the only true tsundere out of all characters. She's even more popular in Japan because of that. She's in the "Edy's Detachment" ddl mission (obviously) thanks to that.
(mind you I'm not really a fan personally, but none of my favourites have been featured so far..)
Manji Midou
2009-06-13, 17:03
I don't have a ps3, so I haven't played the game, but can someone tell me why so many of you love Edy so much?
I don't now why she is so popular....she even got a dlc....
l prefer Jane,marina, lynn, ramona, claudia, marina and catherine over her....
Mostly Jane though.
Japan loves their tsundere characters. Edy is no exception either.
Father Hentai
2009-06-13, 20:37
Just saw the sub of Gleam... what bothers me both is that they translated into Mikhail Weber... . *shrugs* If they had listened carefully you can hear Michael Weber :/
paradox13
2009-06-14, 01:01
this is actually quite a boring show.
this is actually quite a boring show.
Total trolling...
Personally, I like the show a lot so far. I've never played the game, and I think it's much more interesting than some other shows from this season (like K-On!). I pray that the current groups working on VC won't be dropping it like Ayako did... Also, Alicia was very cute in this episode! :)
paradox13
2009-06-14, 02:36
Total trolling...
Why?
It is quite a boring show. The plot jumps around a lot, without a single focus. Even the characters have no focus; their personalities are inconsistent. The battles are unrealistic, and I don't even know whether or not the main plots started yet.
And no I don't find Alicia cute. Shes an annoying character who can't do shit. Neither can welkin. Their 'strategies' in battles are laughably ridiculous, the action is dull, the humor is lame. Can't find a single positive point about this anime. Sorry.
justinstrife
2009-06-14, 03:23
Why?
It is quite a boring show. The plot jumps around a lot, without a single focus. Even the characters have no focus; their personalities are inconsistent. The battles are unrealistic, and I don't even know whether or not the main plots started yet.
And no I don't find Alicia cute. Shes an annoying character who can't do shit. Neither can welkin. Their 'strategies' in battles are laughably ridiculous, the action is dull, the humor is lame. Can't find a single positive point about this anime. Sorry.
Then I guess we can wish you luck finding other shows to watch and comment on. Since this one is obviously a waste of time to you. :heh:
paradox13
2009-06-14, 04:41
You don't agree?
You don't agree?
Justinstrife doesn't, and neither do i. :)
Father Hentai
2009-06-14, 04:59
Me neither, too.
If you see this episode as failed, then you have not understand the deeper message between the lines.
paradox13
2009-06-14, 05:09
Justinstrife doesn't, and neither do i.
Why not?
And I'm not just talking about this episode, I'm talking about the series as a whole.
Why not?
And I'm not just talking about this episode, I'm talking about the series as a whole.
Can't you just accept that we all have different opinions on the show? I personally don't agree with anything you said regarding the series, and that's my opinion. As said, you should go find a show you will like, and stop posting here regarding the matter. :)
paradox13
2009-06-14, 06:41
Can't you just accept that we all have different opinions on the show? I personally don't agree with anything you said regarding the series, and that's my opinion. As said, you should go find a show you will like, and stop posting here regarding the matter.
Do specify.
Or do you really have nothing to say about this and you're just unwilling to admit I'm right? :P
Klashikari
2009-06-14, 06:54
Do specify.
Or do you really have nothing to say about this and you're just unwilling to admit I'm right? :P
Everyone have their own opinion. there is absolutely no mandatory responsibility/duty to explain anything related to one's liking or not.
You raised your points, and then? That's that. Whether you feel the show is boring or not, it is up to you. But don't start flagging your opinion as if it was a fact, or you will be asked to just not post.
I certainly recommend you not to push your luck, because the fine line of "baiting" is too close for comfort in your last comment.
Or do you really have nothing to say about this and you're just unwilling to admit I'm right? :P
Very childish. I don't see why i should state what i like about the show when you're just obviously don't going to accept my opinion and go back to your original statement. Either way this is not the thread for this talk, and i'd rather these posts just get deleted.
Edit: Klashikari beat me to it. :)
paradox13
2009-06-14, 08:31
Either way this is not the thread for this talk, and i'd rather these posts just get deleted.
I don't think its childish.
You have nothing to back up your statement. I'm curious as to what you disagree with, is that so wrong?
If this isn't the thread for it, then which thread do you think would be suitable?
No need to get hostile, Moderator-san. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you have to get personal right?? Or are you unable to take anyone criticising your favourite anime? Cos now that would be childish :)
Klashikari
2009-06-14, 08:38
No need to get hostile, Moderator-san. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you have to get personal right?? Or are you unable to take anyone criticising your favourite anime? Cos now that would be childish :)
I think you are misunderstanding even more than before. First, like i said, you can't start explaining with "facts" over opinions and liking. Trying to pull fact on something like "I like strawberries more than cherries" for example, is pretty much void. Does one has to explain why they like a show? I really doubt it is anyone's plight to do so.
Furthermore, allow me to be blunt but your provokation is baseless: the fact I intervened here was no way to prove a point or defend anyone: you are asking for things that aren't the burden of proof/responsibility to anyone (and to begin with, no one ever saw me commenting VC to begin with, so your point assuming I like this show is even more ridiculous).
And the fact you are provoking people with comment like "so that means you cannot back up your statement heh?" is what I consider an attempt to make people going personal on purpose.
People can give points that make them dislike or like a show, but forcing someone to prove a show is "not enjoyable" or "enjoyable" within the scope of their own terms is basically useless and terribly misplaced.
Criticism was never frowned upon, the problem here is that you are asking for a debate over opinions instead of facts. And even the subjective take on facts can be factored here. Therefore, like I said from the very beginning, it is completely baseless to appose one's opinion on someone else, taking the other's opinion as a "statement" instead of an opinion.
this off topic ends here. Any further comment regarding this point will be deleted.
I don't now why she is so popular....she even got a dlc....
l prefer Jane,marina, lynn, ramona, claudia, marina and catherine over her....
Mostly Jane though.
You just mentioned Marina twice
high 5, brother!
Myself also disappointed that Jane isn't able to feature in the anime. Her volatile nature could add a lot in this nice& easy-going squad. Didn't play the game but fell in love with her personality in just 1~2 pages of action in the manga.
Myself also disappointed that Jane isn't able to feature in the anime. Her volatile nature could add a lot in this nice& easy-going squad. Didn't play the game but fell in love with her personality in just 1~2 pages of action in the manga.
I'm really not surprised they're not featuring Jane in this, i mean she's a blood craving maniac. Of course i find that hot as hell, though i can't see it playing out well with a good deal of fans. A shame really.
Barbobot
2009-06-14, 12:32
Just saw the sub of Gleam... what bothers me both is that they translated into Mikhail Weber... . *shrugs* If they had listened carefully you can hear Michael Weber :/
Gleam seems to be correct. He says it like Mikhail instead of Michael. Mikhail is just the russian counterpart to Michael anway and considering that the Empire takes up the area of Eastern Europe and where Russia would be it makes sense.
Gleam seems to be correct. He says it like Mikhail instead of Michael. Mikhail is just the russian counterpart to Michael anway and considering that the Empire takes up the area of Eastern Europe and where Russia would be it makes sense.
Hm... I agree with Father Hentai here, the way they pronounced the name sounded more like the german version of 'Michael', with the soft 'ch' and all.
And a question for owners of the game:
The music piece they played at the Alicia x Welkin scene. Is this melody also featured in the game or is it an anime original?
Klashikari
2009-06-14, 13:16
One golden rule in Japanese: don't ever rely too much on how they pronounce foreign words/names, because they can turn into things you would HARDLY imagine with the actual spelling VS the romaji...
justinstrife
2009-06-14, 13:17
You just mentioned Marina twice
high 5, brother!
Myself also disappointed that Jane isn't able to feature in the anime. Her volatile nature could add a lot in this nice& easy-going squad. Didn't play the game but fell in love with her personality in just 1~2 pages of action in the manga.
I use Marina in every mission as long as I need a sniper.
One golden rule in Japanese: don't ever rely too much on how they pronounce foreign words/names, because they can turn into things you would HARDLY imagine with the actual spelling VS the romaji...
True.
Pretty much a given that both versions of the name are possible. I still think of it more as 'Michael' as I heard Mikhail said in other animes and there the japanese tend to say it with the k more hard.
But yeah, maybe we got a voice actor who pronounces it like that.
The only japanese voice actor I trust in western name pronounciation is Tesuya Kakihara. :heh:
don_Durandal
2009-06-14, 13:41
The music piece they played at the Alicia x Welkin scene. Is this melody also featured in the game or is it an anime original?
You mean when they are talking in front of the fireplace? That's an anime original irc; I don't recognise it from the game's OST.
germanturkey
2009-06-14, 14:08
i guess it was a decent replacement for the Woods development. i found it enjoyable how Welkin was so innocent towards Alicia's "advances." they were a bit out of character, but a show needs fanservice right?
and i might have forgotten because its been a while since i watched ep 8, but didin't they say they were going to Fouzen or something?
Barbobot
2009-06-14, 14:20
You mean when they are talking in front of the fireplace? That's an anime original irc; I don't recognise it from the game's OST.
I'm pretty sure the song played in front of the fireplace was Beautiful Gallia from the OST.
don_Durandal
2009-06-14, 14:35
I'm pretty sure the song played in front of the fireplace was Beautiful Gallia from the OST.
Yeah you're right. It plays Beautiful Gallia at first when Welkin is at the window and then switches to an anime original when they are sitting together and talking about their past.
I thought it was "Quiet Chat" at first but that one also sounds different (this one is played at the end of the episode when they walk back to their squad though).
Manji Midou
2009-06-14, 15:28
I'm really not surprised they're not featuring Jane in this, i mean she's a blood craving maniac. Of course i find that hot as hell, though i can't see it playing out well with a good deal of fans. A shame really.
That was only in battle though...and she had a good reason to be so...
and seeing how much battles have been "animated" so far.....l don't see why they didn't add her.:confused:
You just mentioned Marina twice
high 5, brother!
lulz.
:::high fives:::
Father Hentai
2009-06-14, 16:50
Gleam seems to be correct. He says it like Mikhail instead of Michael. Mikhail is just the russian counterpart to Michael anway and considering that the Empire takes up the area of Eastern Europe and where Russia would be it makes sense.
And how would you epxlain the surname? Weber is not a typical eastern/russian surname with exception of people living in GSA.
Nonetheless both are the same meaning. But I foresure will look other translation if they made the same translation.
Dead man walking...
But it sure was sad, when that guy died..
Captain Roronoa Zoro
2009-06-15, 14:04
congrates to welkin for turning her down...using those eyes to lure him in. Shameless!
Sinestra
2009-06-15, 15:42
Just episode 10 i honestly really liked it.
To be brief i liked it because it reminded us of all our mortality, dreams, feelings, hopes and disappointments as humans not just soldiers. Hearing the wounded soldiers story was actually touching as he saw that war is not glorious its messy and ugly so we are reminded of how horrible war is. We also had some good WelkinxAlicia time even though brief.
Though not much happened i believe the mentality aspect far out weighs there not being really action. I love when animes try to do at least one episode like this to bring us back to reality (ironic huh? anime and reality) :heh:
yep this episode has many underlying themes that I LOVE about anime series. (ie the enemy putting the safety pin on the gernade before he passed out b/c they had found something in common: they were human.
I have played the game and yes there is like 1/8 of the action in this anime but guess what thats a game and this isn't. The plot is sorta confusing but hopefully it will clarify soon.
Only 10 episodes in but i have alot of hope for this anime :)
Reckoner
2009-06-15, 17:03
I haven't posted much about this series, but after catching up on about 4-5 episodes, I feel a need to express my opinion about it :).
Now, I must say that this show isn't what I would call bad, nor is it a show that I would call good. Yet, I do not know if I would really call this show average either. Yes, apparently I am left without an opinion it. If I stopped watching it now, I doubt I'd care too much. I wouldn't care much if I continued to watch it as well.
This is an unusual reaction for me, as I can usually tell if I truly like a show or not. Regardless, I see this as slightly negative, because in the end, I won't be able to feel like it was a good experience watching this show.
My interest was peaked a little bit a couple of episodes ago, however, and I have stayed mostly positive since then. I think I finally realized what my issue was with it, and it was the fact that this show lacked what I would call a "personality."
But in the recent episodes, it is finally getting some color, and this relieves me because I can finally react properly to the show.
That said, I liked this episode, not because of the Wilken X Alicia scenes, as the relationship lacks substance so far, but because of the potrayal of the realities of war. This is something that can truly give the show character, and allows the viewers to explore the characters. I give this episode a 7/10.
Just episode 10 i honestly really liked it.
To be brief i liked it because it reminded us of all our mortality, dreams, feelings, hopes and disappointments as humans not just soldiers. Hearing the wounded soldiers story was actually touching as he saw that war is not glorious its messy and ugly so we are reminded of how horrible war is. We also had some good WelkinxAlicia time even though brief.
Though not much happened i believe the mentality aspect far out weighs there not being really action. I love when animes try to do at least one episode like this to bring us back to reality (ironic huh? anime and reality) :heh:
totally agree with ya. A very good episode in all aspects. And it seems Welkin finally has met someone he considers "female"? That embarrassed expression of his is priceless. :D
fallschirmjager
2009-06-16, 08:24
I don't know if I can watch this bloody show anymore. As a die hard fan of the game the way they've gone about this is an insult to me.
It had the potential to be such a serious and thought provoking show. Instead it's just a showcase of stupid expressions and unexciting character development episodes.
Sinestra
2009-06-16, 12:30
I don't know if I can watch this bloody show anymore. As a die hard fan of the game the way they've gone about this is an insult to me.
It had the potential to be such a serious and thought provoking show. Instead it's just a showcase of stupid expressions and unexciting character development episodes.
Thats understandable this situation arises constantly in anime based of videogames or hell even manga. Everyone apporaches it differently i tend to take an anime based off anything as an anime and try not to compare it to the original the result is just disappointment and general dislike for the series in general.
I would suggest taking as an anime only and not compare it to the anime but you seem to dislike to the anime pure and simple. It just might not get any better for you.
yezhanquan
2009-06-17, 00:52
I was hoping that the anime would showcase the "non-battle" aspects of the war. While combat is an integral part of war, it's not the whole story.
JagdPanther
2009-06-17, 08:20
I haven't even watched this episode yet because I was waiting for my usual subs. Didn't realize they'd dropped it... got the replacements last night and I'll try and watch them today.
Having played the game (2nd time through right now, actually) I doubt there'd be much that could be spoiled for me, so...
I get the feeling this episode won't make me feel any better about the series. Without expressly going into it, I have to say the comments so far about this anime being disappointing are true for me as well. I just cannot get up for this anime. The game was basically perfect in every respect and this anime is... decidedly not. Something I've said a hundred times already: the character designs are still weird to me. I think they differ too much. Isara is especially creepy looking. From what I can glean from this topic, I get the feeling that one of the best chapters of the game is going to get ruined... I hope it's not that bad.
Too much, really, has been changed for me. Few things even tell me that the stories are related anymore.
I'll do my best to get through this series to the end, but for right now it's not getting a passing grade in my book.
Well, maybe you should actually see the episode, before commenting on its thread, then? :D
Unknown Soldier
2009-06-17, 11:16
If the anime were just like the game, it would absolutely suck.
Yeah, I said it.
If the anime were just like the game, it would absolutely suck.
Yeah, I said it.
QFT.
I really like the liberties they're taking. So to all you asswipes, stop comparing the game and the anime so seriously. Let the director go in his direction.
Seriously, you guys...
Bonta Kun
2009-06-17, 11:35
If the anime were just like the game, it would absolutely suck.
Yeah, I said it.
lol well good thing it ain't right?:p
I'm actually still enjoyin the anime, doesn't bother me. I'm as simple minded as they come so if there are a few aspects I like then its usually all good with me:)
this ep is very nice, got some nice WelkinXAlicia stuff and a super cute doe eyed Alicia!
Like I've said before Welkin's got a will of steel to not have jumped at the chance! not sure if thats a good or bad thing:heh:
JagdPanther
2009-06-17, 16:49
Well, maybe you should actually see the episode, before commenting on its thread, then? :D
Eh, I feel I have a good enough grasp of the differences exposed already through the first 9 episodes to comment. I don't suppose they'll drastically change in the 10th.
If you feel that way, fine. It's on your dime. :D
But you would probably have better luck commenting on the Generic Discussion thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=74076) then on a specific episode one - since you admit to not even having seen, yet.
Hey, but you do whatever you want, okay?
JagdPanther
2009-06-17, 19:36
True, but then again having played the game it's not like I have absolutely no idea what happened in this particular part of the story even if it's different. I'm not spoiling myself anything by reading this thread and then adding my $0.02 after finishing it.
EDIT:
Okay, having finally watched the episode I completely agree with the aforementioned points of those who prefer the game. They changed this entire series of events very drastically. It does not have nearly the same power to me that it did in the game. In the game it was an emotional scene that really brought a human side to war. I think this felt very forced. Yeah, don't want to mirror the game exactly but really, come on. Some things just plain worked in the game.
The preview for the next episode looks... odd. Selvaria and Jaeger at the ceremony. Right.
I'm going to stick this anime out but they've got a lot of work to do to make it up with me. I know, I know. Who cares about one guy, yada yada yada... I'm trying to imagine if I saw this without having played the game first and I just cannot imagine liking this. I think it's actually because of the game I am sticking with this.
Ashlotte
2009-06-17, 20:48
I'm torn on the whole Welkin x Alicia development this episode...On one hand it was what I was hoping for, but on the other it feels like it flew in out of left fricking field here. Theirs been some development of it, but this time it felt like I missed an episode or two and they just plowed right into blatant couple territory here... :eyespin:
Ah well like I said I liked it just the same since it kept Alicia off Tsundere mode. They did a pretty good job with their whole anti-war bit aswell...Really anything without Faldio chewing up screen time is an improvement for me.
My opinion of the series as a whole still hasn't budged much though...I guess they could of killed the concept of the show even worse, but it really could be so very much more with a slightly bigger budget and some more skilled scripting...Ah well.
This show is supposed to complement the game, not to reenact it.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-06-17, 23:01
This show is supposed to complement the game, not to reenact it.
And that is one of the things that is upsetting people. As or me I think the show is average. The characters are not so memorable and a good deal of them I find quite annoying and the script is nothing to brag about (then again the game's wasn't either, yet I still found it more enjoyable than the shows so far).
i guess those have not play the game will enjoy the series more, just like me
but the past few eps do look like small events, hope will move faster to bigger battle scenes
Yeah i enjoy this anime too .
Just watch this episode :
Ohoh ! Alica x Welkin ftw ^^
Alicia have a soft voice in this episode :) She's so cute when she's with Welkin XD
But come on Welkin why you didn't keep on with Alicia's approach :)
And poor Welber . It was nice .
JagdPanther
2009-06-18, 09:04
This show is supposed to complement the game, not to reenact it.
That's why I gave episode 9 the first real 10/10 for this series. That's exactly what I was expecting it to be; an expansion upon something of which we do not get a full understanding in the game. I thought it was actually rather well done and had meaning.
This episode... totally ruined, for me, what was one of the best chapters of the game.
typhonsentra
2009-06-18, 09:50
They really take Welkin's aloofness too far in this show. It was pretty obnoxious the way he reacted to Alicia's advances.
AnimeNerdz
2009-06-18, 09:52
love this series..lookin graset so far
Finally had time to catch up on this series, I was waiting for Ayako's subs but it appears they're on hold for now (or dropped?)
I know that the anime vs. game comparison has been discussed but I've got to talk about one thing they left out.
I'm referring to the part where Welkin tells Alicia how Squad 7 is like their family. Just a sweet and touching (albeit kind of corny) scene. However, it's still early and they have plenty of time to insert this scene into the anime
As for this episode, it's nice to see them continuing with the WelkinxAlicia scenes. I think instead of spending the budget on battle scenes, they used it on animating Alicia's face. The dying soldier stuff was handled well, the grenade thing was a nice touch. Also, Jan actually had a part in this episode (that wasn't comic relief)! hopefully we get more scenes with people from Squad 7 since that was completely missing from the game (which is understandable).
If the anime were just like the game, it would absolutely suck.
Yeah, I said it.
keke, I think you deserve some ++rep for that :)
I have been too getting tired of complains, how the anime isnt like the game. The game you fight the battles!!. The anime you watch the battles and stories!!. Its two difference things.
as for this episode. A stand off between Alicia, Welkin and an Imperial soldier armed with a live grenade. I really liked it much. There was some good quality time between the two main characters. Then the stand off was touching in a way. Got to hear a sad story from an imperials side of view. The lies of being shot on sight by gallian forces if they surrender etc etc. The burrial of the imperial soldier I felt heart warming. An enemy they paid there respects as a causitly of war. I was kinda pleased to see that from Welkin and Alicia.
I however am somewhat confuzzled over the imperial army, I had thought they were more of a dread army as they shoot there own soldiers if they desert. But upon the officers finding Micheals grave. They were orded not to persue in respect of treatment they gave Micheal after his death. maybe they are split between dread and honour
Just a really good episode,
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