The Final Romance Thread - How Not To Be Banned [Read Opening Post]

[azul120]

Milly doesn't seem like the Broken Bird type. Not quite enough emotional turmoil, even though she's felt trapped.

[darthfury78]

Uh, romantic development for Milly? She got it. If you guys remember, Milly's romantic plot thread concluded with quite some finality with the failure of her butthat plan in Turn 12.

That's all Milly's feelings ever were. She gave up before she even started. She hid behind pranks and lies and the illusions of friendship to avoid ever having to express her feelings, or pursue them. In the end she gave up. It might even have been a good thing. Milly as a character embodied the same 'wounded bird in a cage' archetype as C.C., insofar as her limited development actually extended. She felt trapped by her heritage and circumstances like they were some kind of fate in the same way that C.C. percieved herself as bound by the curse of Geass. Her attraction to Lelouch would have been nothing more than the projection that he could somehow save her from it. Milly's feelings for Lelouch were never about Lelouch himself. They only reflected a possibility of freedom that she thought he represented--a dream that she wished would just magically come true. However, in the end what Milly did was grasp freedom herself. She broke off her political marriage with Lloyd and became a newscaster of her own accord, via her own power. She never needed Lelouch; she had it all along, and that is why her complete lack of romance with Lelouch is the correct answer: Milly had never loved Lelouch for himself, so it was only proper that she gave him up for someone who actually did. Given this actual development, I can hardly see why such a minor relationship for this series actually has shippers. Milly's romantic development within the show had more to do with a contrast with her 'this was set up by her parents' marriage with Lloyd than any actual feelings for Lelouch, and that obviously constitutes as complete a story as the creators ever intended for her. As far as romance goes, C.C. covers the same damn archetype (except there might have been some actual truth to the idea that Lelouch was the only one who could save her for that one), whereas Shirley's significance to the Ashford plot elements was obviously far more meaningful, so anybody complaining about the way Lelouch's Ashford connections finished up with Shirley just gets a complete blank from me.

This is just an opinion of mine. In Code Geass R2, Lelouch's focus was his relationship with Shirley as far as the Ashford scenes were concerned. I agree that his interactions with Milly was almost non-existant. Why was that? It might have been the result of a creative descision restricting the use of Milly's interactions with Lelouch because she might have taken too much attention away from Shirley. This is why there is rarely anything related to Milly Ashford, as far as figurines and fan services are concerned. The focus was geared towards Shirley because the producers were trying to recreate the Suzaku x Euphemia tragedy of Season One by building up the characters for a very big fall over the cliff.

For example, in Turn 12: Love Attack, why did Lelouch asked Villetta to take his hat instead of Milly if he wanted to avoid Shirley? That did not make any sense to me at all. In addition, why did Lelouch agreed to go on those scheduled dates with the 108 girls at Ashford Academy that Sayoko arranged(as Lelouch's double in disquise) when he should have cancelled all of them? Why was it clearly obvious that Milly never interacted with Lelouch directly in a private setting? And why didn't we see a plot twist involving Milly x Lelouch? It seemed that the entire episode was about getting Shirley x Lelouch together.

The separation of Milly x Lelouch was intentional to give Shirley the opportunity to be with Lelouch. At the end of the episode, Shirley's memories were suddenly restored to where it was before Lelouch geassed her in Season One. And those emotions foretold an unhappy ending, as well as the beginning of the end for Lelouch's stay at Ashford Academy.

[Nogitsune]

On the Ashford family as a whole, Lelouch didn't seem to believe that they were acting as friends of his mother so much as going to use him and Nunally as some form of insurance. For what isn't specidfied, but it is mentioned in the season one Picture Drama Stage 23.95 (it's on Youtube).

In fact, Lelouch was very bothered by this, and it was indeed Milly who managed to win his trust by putting her body on the line. When they meet for the first time in Stage 0.911, he lashes out at her and tells her that he will not attend Ashford Academy, but once Milly encounters Nunnally and catches on, she decides to take things into her own hands.

I don't agree that Milly didn't love Lelouch for the person he was - at the end of 0.911, she comments on Lelouch's "annoying pompous attitude" and kindness towards his sister that haven't changed at all. Shen then continues with, "Which is why..." but then breaks off and says that she noticed him blushing when he thanked her.

[Betteroffer]

I don't agree that Milly didn't love Lelouch for the person he was - at the end of 0.911, she comments on Lelouch's "annoying pompous attitude" and kindness towards his sister that haven't changed at all. Shen then continues with, "Which is why..." but then breaks off and says that she noticed him blushing when he thanked her.

Indeed, in the real world, such a claim that Milly was projecting some ideal onto Lelouch might have merit, but in a fictional setting her feelings should be assumed to be genuine until the story and/or Word of God explicitly state otherwise. Otherwise the arguement could extend to both Shirley and Kallen that they were loving some idea of Lelouch rather than the genuine person, as both girls had development that only gave them a full understanding of Lelouch when it was too late.

My belief with Milly's feelings was more that she did love Lelouch for who he was, but that she knew that both their respective circumstances prevented any chance of them getting together. This was partly why she seemed to try to set Lelouch and Shirley up together as it was a sort attempt to move past Lelouch, as seeing him happy with another girl would allow her to move on herself, in addition to her general concerns for the two of them as friends and desire to see others happy. Further this lead me to believe that her occasional teasing of Shirley was partly a subconcious act of jealousy.

[Nogitsune]

Indeed, in the real world, such a claim that Milly was projecting some ideal onto Lelouch might have merit, but in a fictional setting her feelings should be assumed to be genuine until the story and/or Word of God explicitly state otherwise. Otherwise the arguement could extend to both Shirley and Kallen that they were loving some idea of Lelouch rather than the genuine person, as both girls had development that only gave them a full understanding of Lelouch when it was too late.

My belief with Milly's feelings was more that she did love Lelouch for who he was, but that she knew that both their respective circumstances prevented any chance of them getting together. This was partly why she seemed to try to set Lelouch and Shirley up together as it was a sort attempt to move past Lelouch, as seeing him happy with another girl would allow her to move on herself, in addition to her general concerns for the two of them as friends and desire to see others happy. Further this lead me to believe that her occasional teasing of Shirley was partly a subconcious act of jealousy.

*nods in agreement* Aside from that, I rather like the thesis from the light novels. In those, Milly felt that since she had enjoyed the benefits of being part of the Ashford family all her life, she should also be willing to take responsibility eventually, detesting novels about young rich women who just run off the moment things stop going their way. Of course, that's not canon, and she did ruin most of her engagements, but since most nobles seem to be complete bastards and she didn't make much of an effort to scare off Lloyd, I believe it's a possibility.

[darthfury78]

Indeed, in the real world, such a claim that Milly was projecting some ideal onto Lelouch might have merit, but in a fictional setting her feelings should be assumed to be genuine until the story and/or Word of God explicitly state otherwise. Otherwise the arguement could extend to both Shirley and Kallen that they were loving some idea of Lelouch rather than the genuine person, as both girls had development that only gave them a full understanding of Lelouch when it was too late.

My belief with Milly's feelings was more that she did love Lelouch for who he was, but that she knew that both their respective circumstances prevented any chance of them getting together. This was partly why she seemed to try to set Lelouch and Shirley up together as it was a sort attempt to move past Lelouch, as seeing him happy with another girl would allow her to move on herself, in addition to her general concerns for the two of them as friends and desire to see others happy. Further this lead me to believe that her occasional teasing of Shirley was partly a subconcious act of jealousy.

And this was why the relationship between Shirley x Lelouch mirrowed that of Suzaku x Euphemia: Tragedy over the loss of a loved one. Especially when Shirley got her original memories restored. When she died, Lelouch was devastated beyond belief. It is quite strange that he never went to Shirley's funeral to pay his respects as he did when her father died. I guess if he had went, Milly might have comfort him emotionally through this difficult moment.

I wonder if Cecile ever got the chance to comfort Suzaku after the death of Euphemia? Perhaps not, since he was promoted to the Knight of the Rounds and never went back to Lloyd's Research & Development Division of the Britannian Army. The respected loss of Euphemia and Shirley, as well as the absense of emotional comfort by(Milly x Lelouch) and (Cecile x Suzaku) might have made Lelouch x Suzaku commit to the Zero Requiem as an attonement towards fullfilling their respected love partner's dream of creating a better world for everyone.

[yvj]

*nods in agreement* Aside from that, I rather like the thesis from the light novels. In those, Milly felt that since she had enjoyed the benefits of being part of the Ashford family all her life, she should also be willing to take responsibility eventually, detesting novels about young rich women who just run off the moment things stop going their way. Of course, that's not canon, and she did ruin most of her engagements, but since most nobles seem to be complete bastards and she didn't make much of an effort to scare off Lloyd, I believe it's a possibility.

Milly gave up to soon she should have tried to teach Lloyd to love. That would have been the greatest outcome.

Who needs science with Milly around

[Nogitsune]

Milly gave up to soon she should have tried to teach Lloyd to love. That would have been the greatest outcome.

Who needs science with Milly around

I don't know, Lloyd seemed a lot like an aromantic asexual to me (wasn't there even a scene where it was said that he wasn't attracted to the opposite sex?), though it would certainly be fun seeing him with Cecile or Milly.

[Betteroffer]

*nods in agreement* Aside from that, I rather like the thesis from the light novels. In those, Milly felt that since she had enjoyed the benefits of being part of the Ashford family all her life, she should also be willing to take responsibility eventually, detesting novels about young rich women who just run off the moment things stop going their way. Of course, that's not canon, and she did ruin most of her engagements, but since most nobles seem to be complete bastards and she didn't make much of an effort to scare off Lloyd, I believe it's a possibility.

Hmm, I actually like that idea as well, but I don't think it's how she was in canon. The main reason she didn't do much to scare off Lloyd was that he basically agreed to marriage a few seconds into their first meeting, leaving her no real chance to sabotage things. Even if she had tried, Lloyd was likely just too eccentric to be affected by much, and he was focused on getting the Ganymede more than anything else.

As for her overall mindset, I think this was effectively implied by Nina's outburst in China and Milly's subsequent self-evaluation. Nina accused Milly of being one of the many "fake" people in the world (i.e. everyone who wasn't Euphemia) and that she always hid behind her status as an Ashford. Milly then reevaluated herself and began "living for herself as herself" by cancelling her engagement to Lloyd and becoming a newscaster.

Had the novel's idea been accurate, Milly would likely have countered Nina's accusations by explaining herself as above and that her being with Lloyd was her denying herself the chance to be with the person she really loved and was basically her paying a debt she beleived she had been incurring since her birth. At the very least I have to think she would have gone about things differently afterwards.

Milly gave up to soon she should have tried to teach Lloyd to love. That would have been the greatest outcome.

Who needs science with Milly around

They could always play Hide the Pudding: Extra Saucy Edition or make giant pudding or flan constructs at Ashford.

[Arbitres]

They could always play Hide the Pudding: Extra Saucy Edition or make giant pudding or flan constructs at Ashford.

Why would pudding have sauce in it? I can see Milly and Lloyd coming to agreement about flan constructs at Ashford, however. It gives a reason for Lloyd to die in sheer joy and for Milly to throw some ridiculous festival about it.

Ridiculous festival =/= best thing besides seeing Guren vs Lancelot fights.

[Betteroffer]

Why would pudding have sauce in it? I can see Milly and Lloyd coming to agreement about flan constructs at Ashford, however. It gives a reason for Lloyd to die in sheer joy and for Milly to throw some ridiculous festival about it.

"Saucy" is in regards to where Milly hides the pudding on her person (and I do mean on her person *bow chicka wow wow* and so forth)

Ridiculous festival =/= best thing besides seeing Guren vs Lancelot fights.

Knightmare jello wrestling: great idea, or the greatest idea (ever)?

Tohdoh's Zangetsu could be used, just to have an opportunity for hair pulli- oh God, what have I become?!

...

To try and salvage some seriousness, I think that if Milly had gotten more development in R2 it would have been in regards to her engagement and more as a means of further devloping Lloyd and Cecile as characters, as opposed to it being with Lelouch.

[Arbitres]

"Saucy" is in regards to where Milly hides the pudding on her person (and I do mean on her person *bow chicka wow wow* and so forth)

Oh. Oooohhh... I get it now.

Knightmare jello wrestling: great idea, or the greatest idea (ever)?

They'd have to be normal, though. Guren would just melt the jello. Lancelot would blast and cut through it like nothing. Put two Burai/Glasgow in there. Lloyd would still die in sheer joy, I can almost see him making a KMF for the sole purpose of jello wrestling. :D

/offtopic.

[darthfury78]

The one moment that I would have love to have seen was Milly figuring out that Lelouch was Zero in Code Geass R2, Turn 12. I wanted see Lelouch's reaction towards Milly's revelation of that fact. How would Lelouch had handled that situation? To geass or not to geass Milly to protect his secret. That is the question.

[Kaze]

Besides the necro of this thread (Which I don't approve, but it's not that much of a necro as it's 1 month)

I laughed my ass off because of the thread title, when I read the opening post, the creator was already banned.
I mean, how do you pull that off?
That's like shooting yourself in the face with a spraycan!

Anyways

I am pro LelouchxC.C.

However, I respect every other person's view on the matter, as I am not that hardcore in what I believe and have no intention of insulting anyone. ;)

[GundamFan0083]

You sir/madam are aparently in the majority of Code Geass fans with the Lelouch x CC pairing.

I'm a Lelouch x Harem, in case you're wondering (although I think that Shirlulu is the most logical since they're both dead, C's World/Heaven together).
Nevertheless, I'll not poop on anyone's parade.
You like Lelouch x CC, then more power too yah! :D

[Kittenlady]

^ Actually, the most popular would be Suzaku x Lelouch. Which is kind of odd actually, because the gay pairing is normally popular, sure, but there's more Suzaku x Lelouch stuff than L x K and L x C.C. combined.

Though they were pretty gay for each other. Anyone else notice that every other time Lelouch is on the computer he's googling Suzaku? That's pretty damn shippy.


However, I respect every other person's view on the matter, as I am not that hardcore in what I believe and have no intention of insulting anyone. ;)


Nevertheless, I'll not poop on anyone's parade.
You like Lelouch x CC, then more power too yah! :D

More people should have this attitude. Going on and on about a pairing you love? Go ahead, have fun! It's when people start insulting other pairings that things go bad.

La~ I ship everything, apart from about three exceptions. But my way of dealing with pairings I don't like is, generally, to ignore them.

[GundamFan0083]

I stand corrected!

Suzaku x Lelouch is probably the MOST popular. :D
I was thinking in terms of NewType Romance's 2009 "Most popular pairings of the Decade" in which Lelouch x CC made the top 5 (I can't remember whether it was them or Kira Yamato x Lacus Klein that was number 1).

[Kittenlady]

With anything like this, I think it depends where you look. I was thinking in terms of fanfiction/art and online communities etc., of which there's loads.

But, I guess if you were to go with the more casual fans like that, it'd be probably be C.C. or Kallen ; ) So in a way we're both right.

[GundamFan0083]

Well no matter who he's paired with one thing is an absolute certainty.
Lelouch is...

http://animeseed.com/animeseed/motivational/lelouch_fabulous.jpg

[Arbitres]

I'm known for my bizarre shipping. The only one I don't consider bizarre though? Rai x Karen.

IAM BIAS, I know. But who isn't? Rai is a cool, handsome amnesiac with as many tragic events as the other main characters. Even though he can't remember them right off the bat, his entire character symbolizes Memories.

You can't replace memories. Not with warfare, not with peace. Not with eternal sleep.

I am a raikare. I'll remember for Rai, and I'll remember what Karen said:

"Welcome home."

You don't mess with this shippah.

[Kusa-San]

Damn it even after all these years, this thread is still alive and you're still discussing about the relationship bewteen Lelouch and Milly :heh:

[GundamFan0083]

I'll second the notion of Rai x Kallen.

They just go together IMHO.

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab70/Couplesmix/Code%20geass/Rai%20x%20Kallen/RAikallen.jpg

[Kusa-San]

I'll second the notion of Rai x Kallen.

They just go together IMHO.


They are meant to be together. True love.

[Arbitres]

I'll second the notion of Rai x Kallen.

They just go together IMHO.


They are meant to be together. True love.

Okay, I know Gundamfan likes Raikare. But are you just pulling my leg Kusa? I wouldn't say they were 'meant to' since that is awfully strong wording. So excuse my cynical outlook.

@Gundamfan083: I always liked that picture, even though some of the parts are horrible proportion otherwise.


It's true. Rai is a spinoff character, no getting around it. Karen is a main cast character that shows in series.

But guess what? They both are characters of Code Geass, officially.

Oh well.. Raikare ftw. *goes off to fandomize elsewhere*

[taichi-kun]

mmm who is Rai? I watched code geass and I don't remember him and the photo with kallen... :confused:

[Roloko vi Britannia]

mmm who is Rai? I watched code geass and I don't remember him and the photo with kallen... :confused:

He is the protagonist in the video game Lost Colors and he makes a short cameo in episode 12 of R2.

[taichi-kun]

He is the protagonist in the video game Lost Colors and he makes a short cameo in episode 12 of R2.


ohh thank you very much

And.. could you tell me more about him... why do you say he could be kallen's couple..?

:)

[Tr3adst0ne]

I'm going off memory here, but I believe that Rai's also a half-breed like Kallen, and if he's fighting for the JLF it would make him a potential love interest to her.

[Arbitres]

Congratulations, Taichi!

You asked the million dollar question!

Who is Rai? Really? Who is Rai? I've been asked a hundred times - everyone that came to me asking the same thing. "Who is Rai?" or "Why would Rai be good for Karen?"

Truth be told: Rai is like a fairytale prince that is still trying to find his happily ever after. So far, that has been sleeping within the deepest recesses of the Thought Elevator. Yes, the Thought Elevator. Within it time doesn't move forward like the outside world.

Sufficed to say, anyone forcibly locked in the Thought Elevator doesn't age and die like they would in the real world - the world that isn't C's world.

Rai is an enigma, an amazing mystery just waiting to be solved. A mystery without any recollection beyond functioning as a normal human being... oh, and he has geass. Imagine that.

Rai is indeed a half-blood. 50/50 to be exact. Japanese side? He is from an off branch of the Sumeragi clan. Britannian sid? The prestigious Royal family.

Stop for a moment, really. Halt all thought! Don't lost a single one:

Rai was sealed in the thought elevator. Rai has geass, but can't remember a thing. So, do you know how he lost all his memories?

Rewind!

Rai was always harassed for his half-blood status from either side (depending on the route it could be either Japanese or Britannian) and only found solace in the two people ever kind to him, his sister and his mother.

And so he basically went "I shall seize the world!".... well, not really. But we're getting to that.

Rai was content, even though he knew people were fighting over the right to rule. Rai and his family? They were bound to be obstacles eventually.

So here comes an immortal... V.V., he saw Rai's lust for power, hanging onto a deep wish he wanted fulfilled. Geass is a wish granter, we all know... for both sides.

Rai's wish was "I want to be listened to". Voila! His geass manifested, and took on something similar to Lelouch's.... albeit it was via voice.

If Rai activated his geass and told someone to jump off a cliff, they would. He didn't need eye contact or physical contact. If they could hear him they could be geassed - they could be undone.

Such potent geass? Yeah. Well V.V.'s geass contracts tend to be unstable in exchange for rather good potency.

The louder Rai could speak the more people he could geass, with that out of the way he finally got his way and lived the high life as the ruler of his country. His mother and sister under the protection of an entire country's military as well as a Geass User.

Yeah... well, Rai's country wasn't the only one out there. Point proven when one started to move against the one Rai had control over.

In all honesty it couldn't have ended any other way. Rai would protect what he had just gained, as wlel as what he always wanted to protect. At the end, on the eve of the final decisive battle made a speech:


On the hinge of his words, on the pluck of a string.... Rai's happiness was over. His geass activated on the very words "Charge into battle and fight to the death against the enemy!"

FYI, that went for everyone that was there listening. His military, the civilians.... his mother and sister. They all went off to engage the enemy in one final battle.

Guess what? Battle won! Massive casualties for both sides though. Rai's mother and sister unfortunately being one of the casualties.

Rai was befuddled. His geass, his power -- it caused all this death and destruction. Why? all he ever wanted was to protect. He was content living in complacency.

Rai after engaging V.V. in an argument, V.V. deemed Rai "Unable to fulfill his contract" and locked him in C's world... most specifically, The Thought Elevator.

Rai didn't even bother to try and escape, in his despair he used his hateful power one more time:

He used his geass on himself, to rid himself of his memories in entirety and fall into a supposed eternal slumber.

Rai woke up at Ashford. Why? Because he was uncovered by the Geass Cult and promptly handed over to Bartley and Clovis' excavation team as well as over to Code R (He being a prominent test subject. He was literally augmented with physical prowess as well as mental fortitude and intelligence. He was also trained in KMF battle... for obvious reasons.

So there you have it. There is Rai 's character background.



I am a shipper of Raikare, aka Rai x Karen. You'd think they wouldn't get along considering almost everything about them is different (besides their blood).

Rai's gekka is a dark blue with grey and a crimson, three-pronged left claw. Gekka fights with a kaiten yaibatou.
Karen's Guren is a bright red with gold and a silver, hand-shaped right claw. Guren fights with a fork knife.

I'm not a fond believer of opposites attract, and they don't. It's just the way everything is you'd think they were total opposites. Rai and Karen actually get along well (Or tolerant of one another depending on the choices)

I like Rai even more after finishing the ending for Karen on the shiseiken/JLF route. Where you may have heard, but Rai dies protecting Karen (even though they were enemies at the time)

Or on the same route, Rai is talked into rejoining the Black Knights, where Karen confronts him. Sufficed to say. It was pretty touching, especially when Karen said "Welcome home!", and Rai just responded with "... I'm home."

Rai represents memories. Karen represents devotion.

Rai is the pilot of Gekka, or 'Moonlight'. Karen is the pilot of Guren, or 'Crimson Lotus'.

Hold that thought! Don't go losing it now! Now let me explain:


Don't go being simple-minded now. They both are loyal to if you follow the Kuro no Kishidan route.

The more you try to pin Rai and Karen as actual, complete opposites the harder it will be to look at everything as a whole. They aren't opposites. No, not in the strictest sense. And you know why?

Because it was made that way to make you think they are suppose to be.

[Tr3adst0ne]

Exactly which country did Rai control?

[Hooves]

Just hearing more and more about this "Rai" person and a romance between him and Kallen (Well I knew you played someone with the name starting with R in Lost Colors) makes me want to play it even if its still Japenese full... But I'm being unreasonable.

[SonOfHeaven]

For Rai/player there are different routes. You can also have different characters fall for you.

Check the link out.

http://www.atalude.net/2008/09/01/code-geass-lost-colors-aka-the-game-that-would-have-made-sunrise-more-money-than-blu-ray-sales-of-both-seasons-combined-if-it-was-an-eroge/

[Hooves]

For Rai/player there are different routes. You can also have different characters fall for you.

Check the link out.

http://www.atalude.net/2008/09/01/code-geass-lost-colors-aka-the-game-that-would-have-made-sunrise-more-money-than-blu-ray-sales-of-both-seasons-combined-if-it-was-an-eroge/

If thats true then... Wait for me (insert female character) (still deciding who to pick) :p

[taichi-kun]

Congratulations, Taichi!

You asked the million dollar question!

Who is Rai? Really? Who is Rai? I've been asked a hundred times - everyone that came to me asking the same thing. "Who is Rai?" or "Why would Rai be good for Karen?"

Truth be told: Rai is like a fairytale prince that is still trying to find his happily ever after. So far, that has been sleeping within the deepest recesses of the Thought Elevator. Yes, the Thought Elevator. Within it time doesn't move forward like the outside world.

Sufficed to say, anyone forcibly locked in the Thought Elevator doesn't age and die like they would in the real world - the world that isn't C's world.

Rai is an enigma, an amazing mystery just waiting to be solved. A mystery without any recollection beyond functioning as a normal human being... oh, and he has geass. Imagine that.

Rai is indeed a half-blood. 50/50 to be exact. Japanese side? He is from an off branch of the Sumeragi clan. Britannian sid? The prestigious Royal family.

Stop for a moment, really. Halt all thought! Don't lost a single one:

Rai was sealed in the thought elevator. Rai has geass, but can't remember a thing. So, do you know how he lost all his memories?

Rewind!

Rai was always harassed for his half-blood status from either side (depending on the route it could be either Japanese or Britannian) and only found solace in the two people ever kind to him, his sister and his mother.

And so he basically went "I shall seize the world!".... well, not really. But we're getting to that.

Rai was content, even though he knew people were fighting over the right to rule. Rai and his family? They were bound to be obstacles eventually.

So here comes an immortal... V.V., he saw Rai's lust for power, hanging onto a deep wish he wanted fulfilled. Geass is a wish granter, we all know... for both sides.

Rai's wish was "I want to be listened to". Voila! His geass manifested, and took on something similar to Lelouch's.... albeit it was via voice.

If Rai activated his geass and told someone to jump off a cliff, they would. He didn't need eye contact or physical contact. If they could hear him they could be geassed - they could be undone.

Such potent geass? Yeah. Well V.V.'s geass contracts tend to be unstable in exchange for rather good potency.

The louder Rai could speak the more people he could geass, with that out of the way he finally got his way and lived the high life as the ruler of his country. His mother and sister under the protection of an entire country's military as well as a Geass User.

Yeah... well, Rai's country wasn't the only one out there. Point proven when one started to move against the one Rai had control over.

In all honesty it couldn't have ended any other way. Rai would protect what he had just gained, as wlel as what he always wanted to protect. At the end, on the eve of the final decisive battle made a speech:


On the hinge of his words, on the pluck of a string.... Rai's happiness was over. His geass activated on the very words "Charge into battle and fight to the death against the enemy!"

FYI, that went for everyone that was there listening. His military, the civilians.... his mother and sister. They all went off to engage the enemy in one final battle.

Guess what? Battle won! Massive casualties for both sides though. Rai's mother and sister unfortunately being one of the casualties.

Rai was befuddled. His geass, his power -- it caused all this death and destruction. Why? all he ever wanted was to protect. He was content living in complacency.

Rai after engaging V.V. in an argument, V.V. deemed Rai "Unable to fulfill his contract" and locked him in C's world... most specifically, The Thought Elevator.

Rai didn't even bother to try and escape, in his despair he used his hateful power one more time:

He used his geass on himself, to rid himself of his memories in entirety and fall into a supposed eternal slumber.

Rai woke up at Ashford. Why? Because he was uncovered by the Geass Cult and promptly handed over to Bartley and Clovis' excavation team as well as over to Code R (He being a prominent test subject. He was literally augmented with physical prowess as well as mental fortitude and intelligence. He was also trained in KMF battle... for obvious reasons.

So there you have it. There is Rai 's character background.



I am a shipper of Raikare, aka Rai x Karen. You'd think they wouldn't get along considering almost everything about them is different (besides their blood).

Rai's gekka is a dark blue with grey and a crimson, three-pronged left claw. Gekka fights with a kaiten yaibatou.
Karen's Guren is a bright red with gold and a silver, hand-shaped right claw. Guren fights with a fork knife.

I'm not a fond believer of opposites attract, and they don't. It's just the way everything is you'd think they were total opposites. Rai and Karen actually get along well (Or tolerant of one another depending on the choices)

I like Rai even more after finishing the ending for Karen on the shiseiken/JLF route. Where you may have heard, but Rai dies protecting Karen (even though they were enemies at the time)

Or on the same route, Rai is talked into rejoining the Black Knights, where Karen confronts him. Sufficed to say. It was pretty touching, especially when Karen said "Welcome home!", and Rai just responded with "... I'm home."

Rai represents memories. Karen represents devotion.

Rai is the pilot of Gekka, or 'Moonlight'. Karen is the pilot of Guren, or 'Crimson Lotus'.

Hold that thought! Don't go losing it now! Now let me explain:


Don't go being simple-minded now. They both are loyal to if you follow the Kuro no Kishidan route.

The more you try to pin Rai and Karen as actual, complete opposites the harder it will be to look at everything as a whole. They aren't opposites. No, not in the strictest sense. And you know why?

Because it was made that way to make you think they are suppose to be.



wow that was a really interesting post , thank you very much! the background was perfect and the raikare explanation great too!

Now I understand a bit more about raikare.

[Arbitres]

Exactly which country did Rai control?

Huh? Didn't I put "Depending on the route" in there somewhere? Whoops. Oh well. Maybe I did? Maybe I didn't. I swore it was at the beginning or midway point on the explanation of Rai though... oh well. Or maybe not.

Anyways it depends on the route in all honesty. Which country did Rai control? Route specific. Britannia and Ashford route? Britannia. Every other route? Prolly Japan or the region of.


Just hearing more and more about this "Rai" person and a romance between him and Kallen (Well I knew you played someone with the name starting with R in Lost Colors) makes me want to play it even if its still Japenese full... But I'm being unreasonable.

Rai is Japanese is ライ . Shouldn't be too hard to remember, just think 'Liar'.

For Rai/player there are different routes. You can also have different characters fall for you.

Check the link out.

I remember reading that. Wicked good fun, hmm? Well maybe. Depends, whichever comes first.

If thats true then... Wait for me (insert female character) (still deciding who to pick)

It's known as the fabled Blue Moon route...! Of course you gotta use geass on the girls... or boys, and enjoy the ride right until you get a game over for several reasons. My advice? No-go on the Nunnally geassing. That makes Lelouch super unhappy. Like super "I command you to stay the HELL AWAY from my sister!" sort of unhappy.... nah, he'll get over it. :')



Now I understand a bit more about raikare.

Well... Anymore of this should be brought to the Q&A thread and not the romance thread. The raikare belongs here, all the assorted questions don't.

[pikxy]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/rai%20x%20kallen/Couplesmix/Code%20geass/Rai%20x%20Kallen/sample-b971b5decb2623e8e66367e93ec1.jpg?o=2%22]http://media.photobucket.com/image/rai%20x%20kallen/Couplesmix/Code%20geass/Rai%20x%20Kallen/sample-b971b5decb2623e8e66367e93ec1.jpg?o=2

[taichi-kun]

Look at kallen and gino in this picture :

http://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2046.jpg


Do you think that after lulu's death , sunrise wanted a kallenxGino ?

gino sucks!

[Arbitres]

Nah. Gino doesn't suck... Well it's really subjective.

I ship him and Anya well enough. Little crack-ish but, oh well. C'est la vie.

Also Taichi, you should make it [=spoiler-"pic"] [/spoiler*] instead of putting the link in the title. Just remove the * and put in the link and it should be fine.

@Pikxy: Yeah... well, guess which ending that is? :heh:

And man! I've been on about Raikare a whole page now? Damn. Best cut back for now on.

[SonOfHeaven]

Look at kallen and gino in this picture :

http://randomc.net/image/CODE%20GEASS/CODE%20GEASS%20R2%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2046.jpg


Do you think that after lulu's death , sunrise wanted a kallenxGino ?

If I remember correctly, the Kallen image in this picture came straight out of a spread for season 1 in a magazine. There was also a love map in the zero requiem dvd that had nothing for Kallen x Gino. If Sunrise wanted Kallen x Gino to happen, it could have. Easily could have added something for Gino to Kallen's post season materials(Mostly Lelouch based). Their relationship was just lacking development wise compared to Lelouch's and Kallen's relationship and others.

Like her ending, I think the creators wanted to show Kallen going about her life(Her character song is beautiful). She still loves Lelouch. Romance for Kallen in the future, its left for fanfiction.

[pikxy]

^ Or what was left by that point. Spoiler tag could help.

LelouchxShirley

oops:heh:, sorry for that one

[pikxy]

@aribites
Actually... I don't know:heh:

I was searching for some Kallen pics at photobucket, I think a month ago, then I found that picture of rai and kallen, at that time I didn't know who that white-haired guy was( I thought he was Kallen's father(white hair) or maybe lloyd lol(what? there was no face.)

if it wasn't for picture GundamFan0083 shared, I wouldn't guessed who that white-haired dude was.

btw thanks for the rai info. I have one last question: how long did Rai sleep?

[Hsadman]

Heh, I can understand why previous romance threads would of been closed :P

Anyhow, here's my 2 cents

Please note these are all my own personal opinions based on how I viewed the show

The three main candidates for Lelouch -

C.C. - His comrade, one he can get close to.

Kallen - His sub coordinate, who falls for him for his acts as Zero

Shirley - His classmate, who had feelings for him before even the start of the series, for 'Lelouch'

Remember, these are just my opinions.

C.C.

Now, I'm gonna say this off the bat, I just don't see a romantic essence for Lelouch x C.C.

Don't kill me now.

Even though it was a wonderful companionship, I never really felt anything that evolved past 'Brother - Sister'

Sorry


Kallen

Ok, this is perhaps a somewhat unrequited love, let me repeat, Somewhat.

Not really because he doesn't like Kallen, more because he didn't let anyone get too close to him, in fear he might hurt them. (Ironic, is it not?) Although, if Lelouch slipped for her, and let her get close to him, things would've ended up quite differently.

So in reality, the poor girl never had a chance, however, you can see that Lelouch acts in a different manner to her, he definitely had feelings for her, and wished for her to not get involved with him.


Shirley


Here it is, Wonder Girl.

Ok now, in this case Shirley has an unfair advantage over the other two, she knew Lelouch for the longest period of time, so she was already in Lelouch's heart at some degree.

Lelouch decided to lock her out as well, but was unsuccessful, leading to the Mao Arc. So he made as much of a distance as possible between the two, as wished for Kallen, he didn't want to hurt her.

Now comes R2,

Again, he decides to lock Shirley out, but ends up reaching for her as emotional support, he opened for her, (He could've done so for Kallen, or C.C.)

I can see two reasons to why he picked Shirley

A - He wanted to pursue a normal life with Shirley (However in that way I don't see why Kallen wouldn't be fit, maybe Shirley just fits better in that scenario?)

And the more likely

B - He realizes that even through all the struggles her puts her through, she repetitively falls for him, for 'Lelouch'. He felt as if he could reach out to someone and connect with who he really was, some sort of support to overlap the solitude caused by his 'Masked Life'. She becomes his emotional support.

I wouldn't really stress this point if it weren't for his actions upon her death. I mean, he didn't even react that way on Nunally's 'Deaths' (The one with Mao, then the one before his Rolo scene.)

He simply lost what he made his emotional support. A support even before Shirley, would've been Euphie.

Think of it this way, he has feelings for Shirley, but does not allow himself to love Shirley, exact same statement works for Kallen. However, he failed in completely not allowing himself to have feelings for Shirley, not love, but enough for him to open up to her.

Verdict

As I see it, if all girls survived to the end, and Lelouch had the opportunity to pick one of them to pursue a normal life with

It would probably be Shirley, just because she has the least affiliation with 'The Black Knights,' and with Geass in general. And would be happy with him as 'Lelouch.'

However, with some more development with Kallen and 'Lelouch', the same scenario can be achieved with her.

But for C.C., again I don't see a romantic spark, that and well, she's incredibly involved in the whole Geass predicament, can't really go after a 'Normal Life' with her. Maybe with more development, he could've taken up relation with her.

(Oh and if you must know, I ship LelouShirley. Only because of the tragic speech by her. But the Harem is very close behind. The juicy...juicy harem....what were we talking about?)

[GundamFan0083]

With regard to CC x Lelouch (or CluClu), you'd never realize that they were only conspirators by either R2 or the artwork.

http://static.minitokyo.net/view/10/06/367810.jpg?Code+Geass%3A+Lelouch+of+the+Rebellion

I'm still trying to figure out how the heck Lelouch is supposed to fulfill CC's dream of being truly loved by someone (romantically) and yet not be in love with her...???

That's like saying you are going to give someone a ride in your car but refuse to let them in it.

Oh, and Lelouch x Harem forevah!!! :D

[Kittenlady]

Not to mention that the entire first season developed their relationship as getting closer and closer, getting to know and trust each other more, with the line "If you're a witch I'll be your Warlock", then finishing with a kiss.

Intended as platonic from the beginning? I call bullshit.

Though to be honest, in that picture I think they look more like girlfriends than a couple. Or maybe that's just because that's my favourite interpretation of their relationship.

[GundamFan0083]

Not to mention that the entire first season developed their relationship as getting closer and closer, getting to know and trust each other more, with the line "If you're a witch I'll be your Warlock", then finishing with a kiss.

Intended as platonic from the beginning? I call bullshit.

Though to be honest, in that picture I think they look more like girlfriends than a couple. Or maybe that's just because that's my favourite interpretation of their relationship.

That is absolutely brilliant!! :D
It fits our boy Lelouch to the proverbial "T".
I always knew he was a lesbian. :D :D

[Hsadman]

Not to mention that the entire first season developed their relationship as getting closer and closer, getting to know and trust each other more, with the line "If you're a witch I'll be your Warlock", then finishing with a kiss.

Intended as platonic from the beginning? I call bullshit.

Though to be honest, in that picture I think they look more like girlfriends than a couple. Or maybe that's just because that's my favourite interpretation of their relationship.

I'm not gonna hate your opinion bud :D

[Nogitsune]

I'm still trying to figure out how the heck Lelouch is supposed to fulfill CC's dream of being truly loved by someone (romantically) and yet not be in love with her...??

I don't think it was only romantic love C.C. longed for. Sure, her Geass was shown to have that effect, but back then, she thought she had already experienced "platonic" love, which was later proven to be false. She was also pretty young at the time and might have dreamt a lot about what "true love" must be like, realizing only later that other things could be just as important. In her long life, C.C. never experienced true kindness until she met Lelouch.

While I think LelouchxC.C. makes for an interesting (and pretty) pairing in theory, I personally never saw much romance between the two. They always were accomplices first in my eyes, their kisses more a reminder of their contract than a sign of future romance. Lelouch never put any feelings in them like he did with Kallen and Shirley - and I'm not necessarily talking about romantic feelings, but the fact that C.C. always took him by surprise and never gave him the oppurtunity to react in any way at all.

C.C.'s and Lelouch's relationship was important, but so was that of Lelouch and Suzaku. It doesn't have to mean anything in the romance department. Code Geass was never much about romance in the first place, so I'll believe the creators if they even go to the trouble of shooting a potential pairing down though they didn't exactly do that with LuluSuza! Echem.



I wouldn't really stress this point if it weren't for his actions upon her death. I mean, he didn't even react that way on Nunally's 'Deaths' (The one with Mao, then the one before his Rolo scene.)

Uhm, no, during the Mao incident, he looked like he was about to lose it completely where he knelt - kind of like Suzaku a few minutes later, only a bit more... permanently -, and when Nunnally "died" a second time, he first went into denial, then threw away an incredible useful tool (Rolo) without a second thought, and was about ready to die even before Schneizel entered the equation. And that was after he had decided that she wasn't the only thing important to him (aside from his revenge, of course, but he endangered even that easily enough for her at the end of season one). Not to mention that he was never present when Nunnally "died", while Shirley was right in front of him - and it was kind of his fault, too. (But it usually is. Life hates Lelouch, after all, and he isn't the most prudent guy, either).

Not saying he didn't care deeply about Shirley, but Nunnally is, well... Nunnally.

[darthfury78]

Heh, I can understand why previous romance threads would of been closed :P

Anyhow, here's my 2 cents

Please note these are all my own personal opinions based on how I viewed the show

The three main candidates for Lelouch -

C.C. - His comrade, one he can get close to.

Kallen - His sub coordinate, who falls for him for his acts as Zero

Shirley - His classmate, who had feelings for him before even the start of the series, for 'Lelouch'

Remember, these are just my opinions.

C.C.

Now, I'm gonna say this off the bat, I just don't see a romantic essence for Lelouch x C.C.

Don't kill me now.

Even though it was a wonderful companionship, I never really felt anything that evolved past 'Brother - Sister'

Sorry


Kallen

Ok, this is perhaps a somewhat unrequited love, let me repeat, Somewhat.

Not really because he doesn't like Kallen, more because he didn't let anyone get too close to him, in fear he might hurt them. (Ironic, is it not?) Although, if Lelouch slipped for her, and let her get close to him, things would've ended up quite differently.

So in reality, the poor girl never had a chance, however, you can see that Lelouch acts in a different manner to her, he definitely had feelings for her, and wished for her to not get involved with him.


Shirley


Here it is, Wonder Girl.

Ok now, in this case Shirley has an unfair advantage over the other two, she knew Lelouch for the longest period of time, so she was already in Lelouch's heart at some degree.

Lelouch decided to lock her out as well, but was unsuccessful, leading to the Mao Arc. So he made as much of a distance as possible between the two, as wished for Kallen, he didn't want to hurt her.

Now comes R2,

Again, he decides to lock Shirley out, but ends up reaching for her as emotional support, he opened for her, (He could've done so for Kallen, or C.C.)

I can see two reasons to why he picked Shirley

A - He wanted to pursue a normal life with Shirley (However in that way I don't see why Kallen wouldn't be fit, maybe Shirley just fits better in that scenario?)

And the more likely

B - He realizes that even through all the struggles her puts her through, she repetitively falls for him, for 'Lelouch'. He felt as if he could reach out to someone and connect with who he really was, some sort of support to overlap the solitude caused by his 'Masked Life'. She becomes his emotional support.

I wouldn't really stress this point if it weren't for his actions upon her death. I mean, he didn't even react that way on Nunally's 'Deaths' (The one with Mao, then the one before his Rolo scene.)

He simply lost what he made his emotional support. A support even before Shirley, would've been Euphie.

Think of it this way, he has feelings for Shirley, but does not allow himself to love Shirley, exact same statement works for Kallen. However, he failed in completely not allowing himself to have feelings for Shirley, not love, but enough for him to open up to her.

Verdict

As I see it, if all girls survived to the end, and Lelouch had the opportunity to pick one of them to pursue a normal life with

It would probably be Shirley, just because she has the least affiliation with 'The Black Knights,' and with Geass in general. And would be happy with him as 'Lelouch.'

However, with some more development with Kallen and 'Lelouch', the same scenario can be achieved with her.

But for C.C., again I don't see a romantic spark, that and well, she's incredibly involved in the whole Geass predicament, can't really go after a 'Normal Life' with her. Maybe with more development, he could've taken up relation with her.

(Oh and if you must know, I ship LelouShirley. Only because of the tragic speech by her. But the Harem is very close behind. The juicy...juicy harem....what were we talking about?)

Hi Hsadman,
I enjoyed your analysis on the relationship between Shirley, C.C., and Kallen. It seemed that in R2, Shirley x Lelouch was made to reflect the relationship between Euphemia x Suzaku. However, I want to know your opinion on Milly Ashford's relationship towards Lelouch, since it was mentioned that she liked Lelouch in the same manner as Shirley.

[Kittenlady]

That is absolutely brilliant!! :D
It fits our boy Lelouch to the proverbial "T".
I always knew he was a lesbian. :D :D

Boy~? Honestly though, they'd totally do each others hair and bitch about people together.

I'm not gonna hate your opinion bud :D

I should hope so~

I don't think it was only romantic love C.C. longed for. Sure, her Geass was shown to have that effect, but back then, she thought she had already experienced "platonic" love, which was later proven to be false. She was also pretty young at the time and might have dreamt a lot about what "true love" must be like, realizing only later that other things could be just as important. In her long life, C.C. never experienced true kindness until she met Lelouch.

While I think LelouchxC.C. makes for an interesting (and pretty) pairing in theory, I personally never saw much romance between the two. They always were accomplices first in my eyes, their kisses more a reminder of their contract than a sign of future romance. Lelouch never put any feelings in them like he did with Kallen and Shirley - and I'm not necessarily talking about romantic feelings, but the fact that C.C. always took him by surprise and never gave him the oppurtunity to react in any way at all.

C.C.'s and Lelouch's relationship was important, but so was that of Lelouch and Suzaku. It doesn't have to mean anything in the romance department. Code Geass was never much about romance in teh first place, so I'll believe the creators if they even go to the trouble of shooting a potential pairing down though they didn't exactly do that with LuluSuza! Echem.


I prefer them platonically as well, it just seems sweeter and more meaningful that way. Plus, I just can't help but think C.C.'s a little too old for romance, and I can't recall ever seeing it pulled off very well as strictly romantic. It's incredibly difficult to write, I imagine.

But, their relationship had a lot of traditionally romantic aspects to it. They didn't have to kiss, they didn't have to have romantic-ish lines with each other, and they didn't have to be all over each other in the official art. It's very easy to put a romantic twist (if it's even that) on it, and for them to just suddenly say "Oh there was no romance between them at all" really annoys me.

Lelouch certainly had more chemistry with Suzaku than anyone else~ I swear, towards to end it was this close to being canon. If Lelouch was a girl, and people just saw the ending, they'd automatically assume they were a couple.

[Nogitsune]

I prefer them platonically as well, it just seems sweeter and more meaningful that way. Plus, I just can't help but think C.C.'s a little too old for romance, and I can't recall ever seeing it pulled off very well as strictly romantic. It's incredibly difficult to write, I imagine.

*nods in agreement*

But, their relationship had a lot of traditionally romantic aspects to it. They didn't have to kiss, they didn't have to have romantic-ish lines with each other, and they didn't have to be all over each other in the official art. It's very easy to put a romantic twist (if it's even that) on it, and for them to just suddenly say "Oh there was no romance between them at all" really annoys me.

You have a point there. That official statement seemed pretty random to be, too, but in the end, I decided it was to show how complex and unique their relationship was, and how it can't be compared to what she had with Mao... or something to that effect. Still, some things just don't need any "clearing up", so yeah. Though to be fair, it was always C.C. who kissed Lelouch, and it was never said that she might not have had some romantic feelings for him.

In the end, I'm just really curious why the staff did what they did there.

Lelouch certainly had more chemistry with Suzaku than anyone else~ I swear, towards to end it was this close to being canon. If Lelouch was a girl, and people just saw the ending, they'd automatically assume they were a couple.

Ah, definetly this. xD
Though I'd prefer Suzaku as a girl. Fictional girls just don't get to stab people enough. Or maybe it's because he likes dresses so much, or because the boy being prettier than the girl is always awesome, or because turning his name into a female one would be so much easier. xD

[Kittenlady]

You have a point there. That official statement seemed pretty random to be, too, but in the end, I decided it was to show how complex and unique their relationship was, and how it can't be compared to what she had with Mao... or something to that effect. Still, some things just don't need any "clearing up", so yeah. Though to be fair, it was always C.C. who kissed Lelouch, and it was never said that she might not have had some romantic feelings for him.

In the end, I'm just really curious why the staff did what they did there.

That's a more positive way to look at it. I always loved the way they'd be all over each other, sleep in the same bed, and just generally be very close, but with no awkwardness whatsoever. I bet they'd have sex platonically.

C.C. and Lelouch came across as more 'just friends' than Suzaku and Lelouch, that I can say for certain.

Ah, definetly this. xD
Though I'd prefer Suzaku as a girl. Fictional girls just don't get to stab people enough. Or maybe it's because he likes dresses so much, or because the boy being prettier than the girl is always awesome, or because turning his name into a female one would be so much easier. xD

I love that sentence. And sure, why not? I don't mind either way, but it's generally more common with Leloucia~

[Hsadman]

Uhm, no, during the Mao incident, he looked like he was about to lose it completely where he knelt - kind of like Suzaku a few minutes later, only a bit more... permanently -, and when Nunnally "died" a second time, he first went into denial, then threw away an incredible useful tool (Rolo) without a second thought, and was about ready to die even before Schneizel entered the equation. And that was after he had decided that she wasn't the only thing important to him (aside from his revenge, of course, but he endangered even that easily enough for her at the end of season one). Not to mention that he was never present when Nunnally "died", while Shirley was right in front of him - and it was kind of his fault, too. (But it usually is. Life hates Lelouch, after all, and he isn't the most prudent guy, either).

Not saying he didn't care deeply about Shirley, but Nunnally is, well... Nunnally.

I didn't mean to make my point 'Shirley>Nunally'

Sorry if it ended up sounding like that. I was just talking about the aftermath of his reactions. Although I did notice he takes on more of a 'Hell no' reaction on Nunally's 'deaths'.

But yea, I'm not gonna argue that Nunally was the #1 girl in Lelouch's heart :P




Hi Hsadman,
I enjoyed your analysis on the relationship between Shirley, C.C., and Kallen. It seemed that in R2, Shirley x Lelouch was made to reflect the relationship between Euphemia x Suzaku. However, I want to know your opinion on Milly Ashford's relationship towards Lelouch, since it was mentioned that she liked Lelouch in the same manner as Shirley.

I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

Let me re-watch the series a bit and I'll get back to you on the Milly-Lelouch romantic aspect.

From what I remember Milly also saw Lelouch as an escape from the choice she was stripped away from. If she did have feelings for him, they would be amplified because she saw him as something to save her.

But again, I have to rewatch the series to give a full analysis.

(By the way, I've created the perfect solution to all this conflict. CluShirKalEupMil, there, Harem, everyone is included, everyone is happy...Be free to include Suzaku if you wish :P)

[darthfury78]

I didn't mean to make my point 'Shirley>Nunally'

Sorry if it ended up sounding like that. I was just talking about the aftermath of his reactions. Although I did notice he takes on more of a 'Hell no' reaction on Nunally's 'deaths'.

But yea, I'm not gonna argue that Nunally was the #1 girl in Lelouch's heart :P

Hi Hsadman,
Did you read my reply to your previous statement? Here is the link:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3208433&postcount=1049

[Hsadman]

Hi Hsadman,
Did you read my reply to your previous statement? Here is the link:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3208433&postcount=1049

Yes I did read it, it was multi-quoted in my post above :)

As said, I just have to re-watch a part of the series, then I'll get back to you

Till then.

[rinichan]

hello everyone, just wanna ask a question since this is the romance thread right?

Is C.C. statement about V.V ever been confirmed about that
When V.V is jealous on Mariane C.C said the truth is he like Marianne too? or the thing I watch in the net is mmistranslation (error subbed?)..

Thanks...