The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 3] [Archive]

monir

2009-06-25, 11:22

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Tokkan

2009-06-25, 11:24

Thread title needs to be corrected for clarity.

Endless Eight... again... now with more Nagato involvement, angled shots and Kyon's bare chest.

Solais

2009-06-25, 11:28

Wth? WTH?

Three episodes long?????

Really. It's not that long!

Peanutbutter

2009-06-25, 11:29

Thread title needs to be corrected for clarity.

Endless Eight... again... now with more Nagato involvement, angled shots and Kyon's bare chest.

And with more:

Haruhi fanservice, Mikuru fanservice, Kyon x Koizumi etc

I'm speechless really. Loss for words at the development.

relentlessflame

2009-06-25, 11:31

Thread title needs to be corrected for clarity.Unless you were just too quick on the draw (while I was adding the "2009" in all the right places), this is the same way that we've been labeling all the episodes. So I think the title is fine, right?

Raiga

2009-06-25, 11:32

THEY'RE SPENDING ANOTHER EPISODE ON THIS?

Fer crying out loud... they needed like five minutes to wrap this up.

Peanutbutter

2009-06-25, 11:34

THEY'RE SPENDING ANOTHER EPISODE ON THIS?

Fer crying out loud... they needed like five minutes to wrap this up.

For dramatic purpose, I think this way works as well.

It's just that we won't have the chance for other stories to come in. :eyespin:

Archaic

2009-06-25, 11:34

Well, that was unexpected.

At the rate they're going, I wouldn't be all that surprised if they extended Endless Eight for eight episodes.

At the very least, we can be thankful that they're showing fresh animation for every scene. I was worried initially that the majority of the animation would be recycled. I don't think I saw any recycled animation in this ep.

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 11:34

Wow, I didn't see that coming.
Seriously, they could have wrapped it up today. Instead they push to a third part.

Peanutbutter

2009-06-25, 11:36

Wow, I didn't see that coming.
Seriously, they could have wrapped it up today. Instead they push to a third part.

Especially the scene where Kyon was trying to stop Haruhi from leaving.

When he failed, I was shocked.

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 11:37

Especially the scene where Kyon was trying to stop Haruhi from leaving.

When he failed, I was shocked.
Oh god yes, that was a nice dramatic moment.

relentlessflame

2009-06-25, 11:40

By the way, novel readers:

Now that the "secret" of this plot arc has been revealed, it's okay to speculate in this thread that there might be a third episode, because the anime-only viewers will "get it" now. But please don't give away anything from the novels that would indicate how they get out of this situation.

Also, best comment on 2ch:

06/18 第12話エンドレスエイト
06/25 第13話エンドレスエイト
07/02 第14話エンドレスエイト
07/09 第15話エンドレスエイト
・
・
・

:p

One half-wonders if they did this simply to thwart all those episode plans that people had come up with. :heh:

Tokkan

2009-06-25, 11:42

Unless you were just too quick on the draw (while I was adding the "2009" in all the right places)

That I was.

Archaic

2009-06-25, 11:42

On the plus side, we can look at things this way. Kadokawa have given us something fresh, that readers of the original novels wouldn't have expected, without significantly diverging from the source material.

I wasn't paying complete attention to the numbers Yuki was saying, but IIRC, she didn't say fifteen-thousand four hundred and ninety-eight. She gave a number above 10,000, but still not quite that high. The clue was there for any obsessive fans who were paying attention.

Peanutbutter

2009-06-25, 11:43

Also, best comment on 2ch:

06/18 第12話エンドレスエイト
06/25 第13話エンドレスエイト
07/02 第14話エンドレスエイト
07/09 第15話エンドレスエイト
・
・
・

One half-wonders if they did this simply to thwart all those episode plans that people had come up with. :p

If that happens, Kyoani/Kadokawa's gotta receive presents of sorts, I'm sure of it.

Tokkan

2009-06-25, 11:46

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 11:46

I wasn't paying complete attention to the numbers Yuki was saying, but IIRC, she didn't say fifteen-thousand four hundred and ninety-eight. She gave a number above 10,000, but still not quite that high. The clue was there for any obsessive fans who were paying attention.
Hmmm, that's a clever one.
It was certainly 15,400 and something, but whether or not it was 98, I'm not entirely sure. We'll see when the subs come out, eh?

Edit: Tokkan got it.

Peanutbutter

2009-06-25, 11:48

She said 15497.

I thought I did hear her say fifteen thousand something...

And that's a very strong hint for things to come. :cool:

Archaic

2009-06-25, 11:49

Another plus then....confirmed only one more episode of Endless Eight, unless they really want to troll the fanbase and diverge from the source material. Which I wouldn't exactly put past them.

Solachinx

2009-06-25, 11:49

So, how'd it end? I'm not lucky enough to see a raw and I heard it's depressing.

GuidoHunter_Toki

2009-06-25, 11:49

While I think its an interesting way to approach this story arc and I did enjoy the episode, I find it a little excessive to be making this a three parter.

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 11:50

I thought I did hear her say fifteen thousand something...

And that's a very strong hint for things to come. :cool:

Well, given that there is one more loop, and that this episode ended about 10-15 minutes before that allotted time, it's fairly easy to guess that there will be only one more Endless Eight episode.
Of course, it will be titled 'Endless Eight' again, with the katakana arrayed in some random fashion when the episode title is displayed.

Game8910

2009-06-25, 11:54

i dont know about you guys, but this episode was just fantastic....I dont often give 10/10 for episode scores but this one deserves it

Peanutbutter

2009-06-25, 11:54

Good things I have for this episode:

i) Haruhi fanservice - I'm always more of a top-guy rather than a bottoms-guy, this is my cup of tea. :D

ii) The Kyon/Koizumi deja-vus. Damn, they were done so well, it freaked me out.

iii) The whole new animation/camera angles/different costumes. I was expecting some minor subtle differences but hey, this shows they have the budget for new things.

iv) The entire "park" scene. Once again, it freaked me out. Possibly the only Haruhi episode to do that.

v) The dramatic "cafe scene. Along with the SOS-dan members "we're defeated" behaviour. I'm speechless.

Well-done Kyoani. :cool:

relentlessflame

2009-06-25, 12:06

quigonkenny

2009-06-25, 12:09

Mikuru in the park scene was every bit as epic as I expected from the novel:

*sob* blah blah kinsoku jikou blah blah *sob* kinsoku jikou blah blah *sob* blah blah kinsoku jikou *sob* *sob* blah blah kinsoku jikou blah blah *sob* kinsoku jikou...

LOL...

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 12:12

Can't resist one more good 2ch-ism to pass on regarding this episode, with some good bishoujo-game humour (don't know if it'll translate well):
>BADENDというよりはNORMALENDかな
NEVERENDだろ

Rough translation:
- Rather than a "bad end", I guess it's more of a "normal end"?
- More like a "never end".Gotta keep a good sense of humour. :p
Haha, I love it. Go 2ch!

Mikuru in the park scene was every bit as epic as I expected from the novel:

*sob* blah blah kinsoku jikou blah blah *sob* kinsoku jikou blah blah *sob* blah blah kinsoku jikou *sob* *sob* blah blah kinsoku jikou blah blah *sob* kinsoku jikou...

LOL...
Yes, that was epic indeed. I was looking forward to that 'censorship'.

Also, it was a little difficult to tell from here, but did the animation quality look better than the other S2 episodes to any of you?

baltakatei

2009-06-25, 12:21

So, how'd it end? I'm not lucky enough to see a raw and I heard it's depressing.

Haruhi: Never mind. We've done enough this summer. We've been to all sorts of places, worn yukata, and caught a good share of cicadas.
Kyon: ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945852397-2.jpg

Haruhi: As for today, it ends now. Leave tomorrow free; it doesn't matter if you want to stay at home and rest. Let us meet in the clubroom in two days.
Kyon: ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945856261.jpg

We couldn't let Haruhi go home like this. There had to be a conclusion for once. If not, then the two week span discovered by Koizumi and guaranteed by Nagato would get to its fifteen thousand four hundred and ninety-ninth round.

But, what to do?

Haruhi's form receded from me in slow motion.

This garbled feeling of "where have I seen this?" returned. This wave today came with spells of dizziness that were of an unimaginable magnitude compared to the last few times. It was a sense of déjà vu unlike any other. I knew what this was because I had lived through it thousands of times. August the thirtieth. One day left.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945901003.jpg

Stall for time and shout at Haruhi?: (Y/N): N

Endless Eight - Attempt #15498
Result: BAD END.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945920115.jpg

Solachinx

2009-06-25, 12:29

Haruhi: Never mind. We've done enough this summer. We've been to all sorts of places, worn yukata, and caught a good share of cicadas.
Kyon: ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945852397-2.jpg

Haruhi: As for today, it ends now. Leave tomorrow free; it doesn't matter if you want to stay at home and rest. Let us meet in the clubroom in two days.
Kyon: ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945856261.jpg

We couldn't let Haruhi go home like this. There had to be a conclusion for once. If not, then the two week span discovered by Koizumi and guaranteed by Nagato would get to its fifteen thousand four hundred and ninety-eighth round.

But, what to do?

Haruhi's form receded from me in slow motion.

This garbled feeling of "where have I seen this?" returned. This wave today came with spells of dizziness that were of an unimaginable magnitude compared to the last few times. It was a sense of déjà vu unlike any other. I knew what this was because I had lived through it thousands of times. August the thirtieth. One day left.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945901003.jpg

Stall for time and shout at Haruhi?: (Y/N): N

Endless Eight - Attempt #15497
Result: BAD END.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1245945920115.jpg

That's epic! Can't wait for subs.

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 12:31

Jiggy

2009-06-25, 12:36

I haven't watched the episode to know about execution, but from reading through here and clicking every spoiler tag (already read the novel anyway) I think I'm happy they're handling it the way they are. It's not something I would have wanted, asked for, or predicted beforehand, but now knowing that they decided to go through with it, I love the pure idea.

I hope it goes well.

typhonsentra

2009-06-25, 12:50

I'm surprised I can't find this online. It usually is available within minutes of ending.

topboy

2009-06-25, 12:59

Disappointed for some reason. RAW from sos-dan out faster than last week but i will wait for [a.f.k]

I was translated Endless eight to my native language for first half (from novel) it fit with first episode but for second half take more than 1 episode, this make me disappoint.

I will come back rate this episode after i watched it but for sure it would "not" be 10/10.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:05

Okay, this is cool while it's lasting but if they do this AGAIN they're going to lose all credibility.

Game8910

2009-06-25, 13:14

i dont really mind actually

1st ep - never end
2nd ep - bad end
3rd ep - good end

Toonleap

2009-06-25, 13:24

My usual 2-cents

http://www.cartoonleap.com/2009/06/25/haruhi-second-season-endless-eight-continues/

Thank goodness Kyoani didnt recycled any animation frames as this was...you know... :)

baltakatei

2009-06-25, 13:25

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 13:28

WHAT? ANOTHER EPISODE ON THIS?
I'm enraged. We could've started "The Sighs" by next week already.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:30

I just relistened to Nagato's explanation. She distinctly says 15,498 in japanese. What we just watched was actually attempt number 15,498, not 15,497.

We're outside of canon it seems.

Curioser and curioser...

Wow.

Okay, nevermind, the whole season is gonna be Endless Eight now.

I give up, I'm done, that's it, I quit, fuck it.

Ottocycle

2009-06-25, 13:32

I think I see the rationale for a three-parter(or more) with regards to this story. These days, we see lots of two-parter-story arcs in anime. And since the goal of the show was to make it ''Endless", the producers will certainly endeavour to make us, the audience who are so used to two-parters feel the same. If a certain number of episodes are enough to make us feel the uneasiness(and boredom, for Nagato) that Kyon and the rest feels, it will definitely be enough for their aims. The problem is figuring out that number, and my answer is 3.

Well, save those who watch primetime shounen series, that is.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:35

I think I see the rationale for a three-parter with regards to this story. These days, we see lots of two-parter-story arcs in anime. And since the goal of the show was to make it ''Endless", the producers will certainly endeavour to make us, the audience who are so used to two-parters feel the same. If a certain number of episodes are enough to make us feel the uneasiness(and boredom, for Nagato) that Kyon and the rest feels, it will definitely be enough for their aims. The problem is figuring out that number, and my answer is 3.

Well, save those who watch primetime shounen series, that is.

It's not going to BE a three-parter.

I guarantee you that the other 12 episodes are ALL going to be Endless Eight.

It's the end of the fucking world.

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 13:40

I knew that KyoAni would still have chances to screw us over.

Ottocycle

2009-06-25, 13:41

If so, I'm going to be piqued on at least a few episodes on how they (re)animate the same stuff without boring people. They've certainly upped the gloom in this episode(since the start of the ep, and not the revelation, but after it the gloom went up exponentially), and I certainly hope, if you won't allow me to guess, that it ends next week.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:42

If so, I'm going to be piqued on at least a few episodes on how they (re)animate the same stuff without boring people. They've certainly upped the gloom in this episode(since the start of the ep, and not the revelation), and I certainly hope, if you won't allow me to guess, that it ends next week.

It's just a troll. This entire "new season" is just a troll.

What assholes.

We'll see next week, but if it's ANOTHER CLIFFHANGER I'm quitting Haruhi entirely. I've been thinking of it for a while, anyway...

Game8910

2009-06-25, 13:50

It's just a troll. This entire "new season" is just a troll.

What assholes.

We'll see next week, but if it's ANOTHER CLIFFHANGER I'm quitting Haruhi entirely. I've been thinking of it for a while, anyway...

and nothing of value was lost

Can't wait for next week :D

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:51

and nothing of value was lost

Hah, nice burn there.

Yeah, I'm being pretty childish, yeah, I realize.

But what would all of YOU do if it was yet another cliffhanger?

Ascaloth

2009-06-25, 13:51

It's just a troll. This entire "new season" is just a troll.

What assholes.

We'll see next week, but if it's ANOTHER CLIFFHANGER I'm quitting Haruhi entirely. I've been thinking of it for a while, anyway...

Yeah, yeah.

Now, back to how they're going to handle the rest of the season....

:D

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 13:52

Can someone just give a basic run-through of the episode?

Those pictures of Mikuru crying just give me the creeps that I don't expect from "Haruhi"...

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:54

Yeah, yeah.

Now, back to how they're going to handle the rest of the season....

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?

dkellis

2009-06-25, 13:56

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?

Make a few blog posts detailing the differences between iterations. A disturbing number of screenshots will likely be of Mikuru('s chest).

Entertainment is where you find it.

Coruja

2009-06-25, 13:56

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?
I'd find if pretty funny. :D

Anyway, I haven't seen the episode yet, but you're clearly overreacting.

Jiggy

2009-06-25, 13:56

I lost patience and just watched the raw. Way too overtly fanservicey at times, but later on the lighting effects established the mood fabulously with me--just as powerful as the lighting at the end of Mysterique Sign, except extended for so many more minutes.

I actually really need subs to comment any further because of how dialogue-heavy it is, though.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 13:57

I'd find if pretty funny. :D

Anyway, I haven't seen the episode yet, but you're clearly overreacting.

Yeah. I probably am. I kinda fucking hate myself a little now.

Still, I'd like to see some of the later arcs, and not have an entire season wasted on a single story that could have taken up one episode.

I'm glad you're all having fun though.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 13:58

I strongly advise people not to watch Haruhi raws if they don't understand Japanese.

Anyway this episode gets a 10 for me, the dramatics were outstanding and kyoani has guts.

Rasuberi

2009-06-25, 14:00

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?

I would simply enjoy it that way. : / But I like time loops, and I'm not an excessive Haruhi fan, so there's no way I'd rage about it to begin with. Nor will I be bothered if it ends in 3-parts, either.

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2009-06-25, 14:00

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?

If KyoAni keep up the creation of all-new animation for every episode, then I will have no complaints.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 14:02

If kyoani views the entire Endless 8 as 1 episode and we still get 26 episodes, I will not have complains lol

typhonsentra

2009-06-25, 14:08

Ascaloth

2009-06-25, 14:11

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?

Oh, there will be several possible options I can take, including the ones already mentioned above. First of all though, I'll claim my bonus points by yelling "Called it!" (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2459262#post2459262)

:D

spawnofthejudge

2009-06-25, 14:13

If KyoAni keep up the creation of all-new animation for every episode, then I will have no complaints.

Oh, there will be several possible options I can take, including the ones already mentioned above. First of all though, I'll claim my bonus points by yelling "Called it!" (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2459262#post2459262)

:D

Be particularly fun if certain scenes became "spot what changed", while others changed drastically.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 14:14

The worst part is that as of the end of this episode, they've officially run out of canon material to use in the next episode (Aside from the very, very last scene). What a terrible directorial decision, the next episode is going to be even more boring than this one as they just used the one interesting scene they skipped in the previous episode.

1/10Yes I'm sure you already know what's going to happen next episode like how you didn't expect this episode to end this way.

Besides the rooftop sleeping, there's still some other scenes for extra service, including Nagato on bike.

Mecha_Trueno

2009-06-25, 14:35

For some reason, I can't stop laughing at Koizumi and Kyon in the yukata store:D. Kyon's reaction was hilarious:D

I wonder if people are gonna start wondering if my sig is spawned from this episode...;) lol I've been using it for ages now.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 14:38

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 14:48

...

*looks over his previous posts*

Wow, I AM a moron when I haven't had enough sleep.

Sigh, I'm really sorry guys, I guess today was Asshole Day.

Also, I finally 'got it'. I got why they made it three parts; it's to create the same feeling of I DON'T WANT ANOTHER LOOP that Kyon has in the original story.

I can't decide whether this is genius or whether they're on crack, but it's certainly artistic.

Logic dictates that next episode is going to be even more GRIMDARK in tone than this episode.

Only thing I'm worried about is Nagato's "15498", but HEY...

No more negative comments from me, none.

velocity7

2009-06-25, 14:49

She said 15497.

No, she said 15,498.

"ichi man go sen yon hyaku kyuu juu hachi"
= 1 x 10,000 + 5 x 1000 + 4 x 100 + 9 x 10 + 8

If it were 15,497, she would have said "nana" or "shichi" rather than "hachi".

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 14:49

I think Mikuru is programmed to override any spoken Kinsoku Jikou with Kinsoku Jikou, so that even in such emotional moments she would not reveal any Kinsoku Jikou.

And Koizumi's fabulousness is through the roof this episode lol

Bahaha, I just watched the raw.
You took the words about Koizumi right out of my mouth.

Koizumi's totally-gay-for-Kyon was a little too obvious here. I guess that's what all the fanservice in the episode was for. No one was going to "remember" anyways, so they just threw it all in.
If that made sense.

spawnofthejudge

2009-06-25, 14:52

it's to create the same feeling of I DON'T WANT ANOTHER LOOP that Kyon has in the original story.Clearly it worked on you, and that's not a bad theory.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 14:56

Since kyoani isn't pulling stunts like random episode orders this time, they must pull it other ways, ways that Haruhi-sama herself will come up with.

Haruhists, have faith.

baltakatei

2009-06-25, 15:01

No, she said 15,498.

"ichi man go sen yon hyaku kyuu juu hachi"
= 1 x 10,000 + 5 x 1000 + 4 x 100 + 9 x 10 + 8

If it were 15,497, she would have said "nana" or "shichi" rather than "hachi".

To back you up, here's the soundclip (http://www.stanford.edu/%7Essandova/bin/15498.mp3) in question.

SidVicious

2009-06-25, 15:33

The "hand in the face" was nice.
Go Kyon. :D

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-25, 16:05

No, seriously.

What would you do if the entire rest of the season was just Endless Eight?

It would be amusing to see the seperate reactions. Some people would embrace it as genius, others would as my dear mother puts it "freak the freak". Of course there's no way that'll be the case, Kyoani is crazy but not KUREIZEI!:eyespin:

l-l-lain

2009-06-25, 16:41

One fansub group's take on the new Haruhi schedule:

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:VaI8_zEzLx0J:oresama.pl/+site:oresama.pl&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

LOL!!!

khryoleoz

2009-06-25, 16:49

Also, I finally 'got it'. I got why they made it three parts; it's to create the same feeling of I DON'T WANT ANOTHER LOOP that Kyon has in the original story.

Yes, that's right. I'm surprised at some of the other negative comments I've been seeing on this thread.

By saying all this I'm indicating what was missing in the novel. But where I love this anime adaptation is that they gave me, the viewer, something with which I can identify and become sympathetic to the characters' experiences. To have seen the summer events one time and to only be told that the same events have already occured 15,498 other times lacks the dramatic effect of re-living those same events with the characters at least one other time.

Viewers who haven't read the chapter won't know the difference so they suffer no loss, but those who have followed the book have gained something very significant in that dramatic effect. Kudos KyoAni, provided that we do have a resolution on the arc's 3rd episode.

Jiggy

2009-06-25, 16:53

The worst part is that as of the end of this episode, they've officially run out of canon material to use in the next episode (Aside from the very, very last scene).What if this only means that Tanigawa created some more anime-exclusive material and it's coming up next?

I highly doubt it, though, but I'm honestly curious what detractors of the way it's being handled would think in that case.

Edit: Mazui subs are out!

velocity7

2009-06-25, 16:58

One fansub group's take on the new Haruhi schedule:

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:VaI8_zEzLx0J:oresama.pl/+site:oresama.pl&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

LOL!!!

And the following week after that, Haruhi was cancelled. Why? Because Celestial Being intervened. ;)

typhonsentra

2009-06-25, 17:07

Yes, that's right. I'm surprised at some of the other negative comments I've been seeing on this thread.

By saying all this I'm indicating what was missing in the novel. But where I love this anime adaptation is that they gave me, the viewer, something with which I can identify and become sympathetic to the characters' experiences. To have seen the summer events one time and to only be told that the same events have already occured 15,498 other times lacks the dramatic effect of re-living those same events with the characters at least one other time.

Viewers who haven't read the chapter won't know the difference so they suffer no loss, but those who have followed the book have gained something very significant in that dramatic effect. Kudos KyoAni, provided that we do have a resolution on the arc's 3rd episode.

The problem with this is, by having you sympathize with the characters that means you're thinking "Oh my God, I hate this so much please make it stop! Mommy, I want off the ride!!!" while sobbing curved in the fetal position like Mikuru was. That's not normally the reaction you want to get from your audience.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 17:10

The problem with this is, by having you sympathize with the characters that means you're thinking "Oh my God, I hate this so much please make it stop! Mommy, I want off the ride!!!" while sobbing curved in the fetal position like Mikuru was. That's not normally the reaction you want to get from your audience.There will always be this minority who wants to get off the ride.

Just look at how the majority responded to this episode with the poll above.

My conclusion, kyoani has successfully pulled off a stunt and wowed its audience.

typhonsentra

2009-06-25, 17:22

There will always be this minority who wants to get off the ride.

Just look at how the majority responded to this episode with the poll above.

My conclusion, kyoani has successfully pulled off a stunt and wowed its audience.

Yeah, a Kyoani show getting mostly positive marks in an online poll? That's quite the feat, the stunt worked perfectly!

For how well this supposed great stunt worked according to you, I'm seeing significantly less interest in this new season when compared to the previous. Bittorrent downloads were pretty low for the last episode, merely around what would be considered normal for a moderately popular series like Toradora, certainly not what the community for Haruhi was back in the day (Even bigger is the drop on Youtube, the new opener doesn't even have a single video over 100k views after a full week. Back in the day a new episode of Haruhi would top the daily charts, that isn't happening this time around.). There's no way to know whether this'll carry over to DVD sales yet (The first season averaged around 42k a disc) but it's hardly a positive sign in enthusiasm.

Vexx

2009-06-25, 17:27

I guess maybe a marathon of the original Twilight Zone series may be necessary to see just how far down the rabbit hole one can go :)

I'm glad they're animating the adventures.... I think I wish they had just done OVAs rather than this "jerk the fan" game. At least there's plenty of other things to do and watch in between the spurts :)

Game8910

2009-06-25, 17:29

you forgot to mention how the opinion of 1 man makes things fact.

also subs are out

Coruja

2009-06-25, 17:34

you forgot to mention how the opinion of 1 man makes things fact.

also subs are out
So soon? :0

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 17:35

you forgot to mention how the opinion of 1 man makes things fact.

also subs are out

Whoa, I think that's quicker than last week.
Better go search for them.

Isekaijin

2009-06-25, 17:57

They are going to repeat endless eight?

Fine by me. But these extra episodes won't count in for the new season, right?, something like 8a, 8b and 8c. Cause no matter how great endless eight is, it doesn't deserve a 15498 episode long arc. We haruhiists don't deserve to have all our second seson consumed by a single arc.

kniteowl

2009-06-25, 19:09

Ah man... now I'll have to wait 250 ish years for this arc to end .... "sigh".... exactly I'm waiting for sigh lol...

Hao

2009-06-25, 19:18

^ 250 more years of Haruhi... Is there a problem? :heh:

Another episode of Endless Eight hmmm... Was hoping it'd end this episode so we could finally get to the good stuff.

On the bright side, more Kyon fanservice. He is looking fabulous~ :) (no homo)

Jintor

2009-06-25, 19:20

I only saw the first few minutes because I'm going to watch it later with a friend (who doesn't know why it's called "Endless Eight", so that'll be fun), but: I'm gay for Shirtless Kyon.

I mean, I was gay for Kyon before. But I'm MORE gay for Shirtless Kyon.

Jiggy

2009-06-25, 19:26

After watching it with subs and having seen it without first (which I'd never done before and now won't do again), it's actually slightly shocking how often Kyon's expressions convey absolutely nothing about his thoughts. It's always been apparent anyway throughout the series, but even moreso with that kind of consecutive contrast.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 20:20

...I just watched the episode. It was incredible.

The budget, like, tripled, and the animation is more "normal" than it was before. They've also regained some the animation flair I felt was missing from the other two episodes.

I'm really fucking impressed, and if they top this (and end this) next week I'll no longer care that they wasted a quarter of the new episodes on this arc.

Seriously, FUCK, it was good.

Also Koizumi is win forever.

khryoleoz

2009-06-25, 20:21

This ep actually had some rather disturbing scenes.

Ankle high jeans? A pink bow?

Dude, that's just not right!

And Nagato didn't seem just indifferent and expressionless like normal, but actually depressed. This arc is really more The Melancholy of Nagato.

dnab

2009-06-25, 20:30

Endless 8 pt. 1 - fan service
Endless 8 pt. 2 - yaoi service

Anyone venture to guess who will be served next?

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 20:30

And Nagato didn't seem just indifferent and expressionless like normal, but actually depressed. This arc is really more The Melancholy of Nagato.
Well, you'd be rather depressed ifyou had been repeating the last two weeks for almost 600 years.
Never mind the fact that she's just a humanoid interface for the Data Overmind, and Haruhi's stereotypical Emotionless Girl.

Edit:
Anyone venture to guess who will be served next?
Can it be yuri tiem nao? Oh wait, that happens all the time with Haruhi's antics with regard to Mikuru.

Mirrinus

2009-06-25, 20:31

That's...very unexpected.

Part of me is disappointed that they didn't wrap of Endless Eight this week. However, I am very surprised at what they did do instead. And as a novel reader, I didn't expect this season to surprise me at all. I must commend Kyoto Animation, then, to have actually deviated from what I expected. Perhaps this season won't be as normal as I anticipated.

Kirarakim

2009-06-25, 20:37

I have to say I am impressed with what they are doing. Admittedly Endless Eight could easily have been 1 episode so 3 does feel a little overkill. But hey I read the novel and they are keeping me on my toes. This is what I call a perfect adaption. In fact as much as I enjoyed this story in the novels I am enjoying it even more here. I loved spotting all the little differences they put in. It's the same, yet not. You don't get to experience that from reading the novel.

However I am a little nervous that now we will miss out on some other Haruhi stories because this one is longer than expected.

Jiggy

2009-06-25, 20:39

However I am a little nervous that now we will miss out on some other Haruhi stories because this one is longer than expected.Yeah, hopefully no three-year wait again for the next round of episodes when all this is done.

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 20:42

Yeah, hopefully no three-year wait again for the next round of episodes when all this is done.
They wouldn't have a story-related reason to do THAT again, so I doubt it.
If there IS a 'third season' of Haruhi, I don't think we will be waiting quite that long for it.

Then again, if the tenth novel continues to take its time, we might be waiting for a while because of that. It's already a year behind schedule.

Heminga13

2009-06-25, 20:48

10/10 episode, I've raged both times watching it. The viewer feels about the same as Kyon at the end.

"We have to do this again?!"

wittyusername

2009-06-25, 20:50

The animation for this episode was as lovely as Kyon lacking a shirt.

And now I've gotten fangirl all over everything. Sorry about that.

Shirtless Kyon: 10/10

Koizumi being his fabulous self: 10/10

Some Haruhi fanservice being kept in: 10/10 (what?)

Also some Nagato fanservice. That was pretty good too.

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 21:08

I just watched the episode for the second time today.
It looks like they still haven't filled in the white space in the ending sequence.

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 21:15

I just watched the episode for the second time today.
It looks like they still haven't filled in the white space in the ending sequence.
White space? Where? I haven't noticed anything like that.
*goes to watch ED again*

Edit: Nope can't find what you are referring to. Further description/screenshot please?

RandomGuy

2009-06-25, 21:23

They wouldn't have a story-related reason to do THAT again, so I doubt it.
If there IS a 'third season' of Haruhi, I don't think we will be waiting quite that long for it.

Then again, if the tenth novel continues to take its time, we might be waiting for a while because of that. It's already a year behind schedule.

Make that two years. The book was supposed to come out in 2007.

vaden

2009-06-25, 21:27

Edit: Nope can't find what you are referring to. Further description/screenshot please?

First image that gets flashed up underneath the Kyoto Animation credit about 54 seconds in, with the Brigade sitting in a classroom — there's some unfilled white space around Mikuru's legs.

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 21:35

Edit: To add to the above post. Here's the picture.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wf7b12.png

Sackett

2009-06-25, 21:38

Wow...

I was just shocked at how... depressing the ending was.

I mean... the SOS brigade in the book seems more optimistic and upbeat about the challenge (that is after they get over the immediate shock).

Here I was like... man... that would really suck.

Game8910

2009-06-25, 21:41

Edit: To add to the above post. Here's the picture.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2wf7b12.png

its called the sunlight going through the window:heh:

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 21:43

its called the sunlight going through the window:heh:
Yeah, it's most likely that white space is caused by light reflecting off the floor. You can see a bit of the same effect to the right of Haruhi, just below the words 'Kyoto Animation'.

Roger Rambo

2009-06-25, 21:47

Am I the only one annoyed by the constant lens flare? You can't see shit...

Aside from that, the animation quality seems WAY up from the previous two episodes. You can tell they were trying to throw in some service from the girls.

Also, we again get a loom shot on Haruhi's ass. This is no longer coincidence.

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-25, 21:53

Yeah, it's most likely that white space is caused by light reflecting off the floor. You can see a bit of the same effect to the right of Haruhi, just below the words 'Kyoto Animation'.

Ah, really? I don't think that such a large reflection would be caused there.

But, I don't know my physics so...

Arrnea

2009-06-25, 22:06

Ah, really? I don't think that such a large reflection would be caused there.

But, I don't know my physics so...
Physics and anime are not always convergent.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 22:07

Am I the only one annoyed by the constant lens flare? You can't see shit...

It's camera screw. Completely intentional. Clannad AS did this too.

l-l-lain

2009-06-25, 22:12

Am I the only one annoyed by the constant lens flare? You can't see shit...

But, but! Isn't it wonderful realism that those KyoAni folk simulate lens flare - extra work for them, since there's (presumably nowadays) no real camera photographing real cels!

The "poor camerawork" (all lovingly simulated, of course) in season 1's broadcast intro The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina 00 can be appreciated for the same reason... (if you're in the mood to appreciate such things anyway... :))

EDIT: Kaisos above has said it better than me...

Sir Jeeves

2009-06-25, 22:20

The park scene and ending absolutely stole the show for me. As usual, I love the new music. They completely nailed Nagato's expression; it's very believable by looking at her that she's gone through the minutiae of those two weeks for nearly 600 years. Also, the lighting throughout the episode gets an AA+ from me.

I have nothing but kind words for this episode. Totally worth it.

Roger Rambo

2009-06-25, 22:38

It's camera screw. Completely intentional. Clannad AS did this too.
I think the effect was overdone to much a few places, like in the opening scene. Far to glowy for my taste.

On another note, it doesn't seem likely they'll be able to top the swim wear they put on Haruhi this episode. Chengosm style turtle neck top and mini skirted bottom? I approve.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7200/vlcsnap394033.png

Clothing overall in this episode seemed more inspired.

I'm really hoping this is the level of quality we'll be seeing for the rest of the season.

C.A.

2009-06-25, 22:41

Fanbooks for this season of Haruhi will be thicker than usual. The amount of designs they're wearing is quite amazing.

Rice_slayer

2009-06-25, 23:10

Dang, Art quality doubled since the last episode! All the dialogue was basically new, but the story remains. I wonder how they are going to end it next week, it was honestly a really short story in the novels. I hope they do it in half an episode and jump into sighs :).

Kyanme

2009-06-25, 23:39

Maybe it's because I just finished Ruby's path in Tale of Tales' The Path, but I don't appreciate being jerked around like Kyon at the end there. :heh: Well, it certainly got the effect they wanted at least.

That said, I enjoyed the episode. The animation was nice and actually pretty similar to last season's. And Itsuki was so FABULICIOUS. and he reminded me wholly too much of my boyfriend this episode, which was a definte plus, OHO.

And that skin tight shirt?
MACHO MACHO MAN.

I'm kinda' eager to see how they do next episode. There isn't a whole lot of material left, right? The only thing I don't quite recall is the bike scene, which I could do without anyways.

dnab

2009-06-25, 23:39

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 23:42

For doom and gloom, nothing beats saturated black & white.

E8-pt2 pretty much used up most of the significant dialogues in the novel, so we have HIGH probability of venturing into brand new materials on a pre-existing story. (Have to admit, didn't expect that coming into S2. Hats off to KyoAni).

They still have the bike race. If they fully animate that, it could take up quite a few minutes. (Also, skip the pool scene, we've seen it twice now.)

And they could definitely do the rooftop scene from a different angle, and actually show Kyon's face. Oh, and the laugh. They better do the laugh. >_>

Roger Rambo

2009-06-25, 23:46

They still have the bike race. If they fully animate that, it could take up quite a few minutes. (Also, skip the pool scene, we've seen it twice now.)
The promise of additional fan service with the pool scenes is one of the major reasons we're even willing to entertain the idea of watching the same basic episode 3 times over.

And they could definitely do the rooftop scene from a different angle, and actually show Kyon's face. Oh, and the laugh. They better do the laugh. >_>
Kyon needs to totally have a "not amused" face there.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-25, 23:49

The promise of additional fan service with the pool scenes is one of the major reasons we're even willing to entertain the idea of watching the same basic episode 3 times over.

I fail to consider anime girls in bikinis to be fanservice anymore, due to overexposure.

I'm not sure whether that's sad or not, but there's plenty more opportunities for fanservice. Just look at this episode.

Kyon needs to totally have a "not amused" face there.

Pretty sure, given Koizumi's line, it's a JEALOUS RAGE face.

Roger Rambo

2009-06-25, 23:55

I fail to consider anime girls in bikinis to be fanservice anymore, due to overexposure.

I'm not sure whether that's sad or not.
I'm mainly considering it fan service because (at least in places) it's Really well animated. IMHo they should just cut the pool conversation down to a minimum and use that time to have group discussions over what to do with Haruhi.
but there's plenty more opportunities for fanservice. Just look at this episode.
Allot of the casual outfits Haruhi was wearing in this episode count as fan service IMHO.

Pretty sure, given Koizumi's line, it's a JEALOUS RAGE face.
"Kill you. Kill you with my mind".

wittyusername

2009-06-25, 23:59

"Kill you. Kill you with my mind".

I'm sure that in at least one repetition of the Brigade's summer activities, Kyon woke up on fire.

If espers can do that. >_>;

I wonder how many times Higurashi-style murders occured?

Kaoru Chujo

2009-06-26, 00:03

Loved this episode. The sadness means depth for me. Not just skating the surface of this tragic situation, but at least dipping into it a bit. This is the kind of thing that makes this show, for me.

And I continue to think Hirano is even better this time around, with more energy, control, and sharpness in her voice, and as much sadness hidden beneath it. I'm a Hirano fan, and that started in 2006, but it was based more on Layla than on Haruhi.

As for the unfilled white space in the ED, it is certainly there, as ReneeBurossamu said, within the angle formed by Mikuru's legs. But I wonder if it is intentional. There is another space between her arms and her body that they have half-filled with the grey color of the floor, to show the edge of the reflection from the window. They might have thought that doing the same thing in the larger space under her legs would have been too confusing -- and all-grey too strong -- so they left it white as the least visually distracting thing to do. Maybe. Here's the image again:http://i42.tinypic.com/2wf7b12.pngAnd by the way, the early shots of Kyon made him seem pretty buff, too, as well as Koizumi.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 00:04

I'm sure that in at least one repetition of the Brigade's summer activities, Kyon woke up on fire.

If espers can do that. >_>;

I wonder how many times Higurashi-style murders occured?

Nagato probably went insane a lot.

600 years is a LONG time.

A very

very

Long time.

Even Rika Furude didn't spend that long in her loop, and we know she lost it a couple times.

Arrnea

2009-06-26, 00:07

I wonder how many times Higurashi-style murders occured?
I think Haruhi would simply wish them back to life if any of the SOS Brigade were actually killed.
Unless she was the one doing the killing.

Daniel E.

2009-06-26, 00:13

Great episode! :)

Regardless, I couldn't help but draw a comparison between this story arc and the movie "The Groundhog Day" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_(film)); Whereas Bill Murray would end up in the same position as Yuki. :p

Awesome movie btw, if someone here hasn't watched it yet, I honestly recommend it! :nod:

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 00:17

Regardless, I couldn't help but draw a comparison between this story arc and the movie "The Groundhog Day" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day_(film)); Whereas Bill Murray would end up in the same position as Yuki. :p

Awesome movie btw, if someone here hasn't watched it yet, I honestly recommend it! :nod:

I've been saying this forever.

Yeah, this entire arc is Groundhog Day. Bill Murray even goes insane, like, twice.

Daniel E.

2009-06-26, 00:24

I've been saying this forever.

Yeah, this entire arc is Groundhog Day. Bill Murray even goes insane, like, twice.

Figured the comparison would have been made already. :p

Don't check the novel threads myself, so if you brought it up there I obviously missed it. :meh:

Solachinx

2009-06-26, 00:26

Out of boredom:

Haruhi= Shmion
Kyon= Keichii
Mikuru= Rena
Yuki= Rika
Itsuki= Satoko

The Higurashi references are breeding like rabbits...

Antenor

2009-06-26, 00:28

From a storytelling perspective, this episode was great.

The saturation and the quick cuts conveyed the feeling of despair and restlessness very well. Heck, even the somewhat abnormal amount of fanservice added to it: you feel something's off even before the big reveal.

The reveal itself was very unsettling, the atmosphere was oppressive and stressful. And one can wonder what 600 years worth of time loop can do to someone's mind... Nagato seemed bored, even desperate. That's a far cry from her usual stoicness. That's quite unsettling too.

Man, I'm loving this.

Daniel E.

2009-06-26, 00:47

The reveal itself was very unsettling, the atmosphere was oppressive and stressful. And one can wonder what 600 years worth of time loop can do to someone's mind... Nagato seemed bored, even desperate. That's a far cry from her usual stoicness. That's quite unsettling too.

This is the part that really got to me in that regard:

http://f.imagehost.org/t/0522/grab10000.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0522/grab10000)

Game8910

2009-06-26, 00:52

Dat face!!!! I wanna make her feel better ;_;

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 00:53

Don't check the novel threads myself, so if you brought it up there I obviously missed it. :meh:

No, I mean that Groundhog Day is a win movie and everyone should watch it.

This is the part that really got to me in that regard:

http://f.imagehost.org/t/0522/grab10000.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0522/grab10000)

Budget this episode is so good it's almost painful.

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 01:03

But, but! Isn't it wonderful realism that those KyoAni folk simulate lens flare - extra work for them, since there's (presumably nowadays) no real camera photographing real cels!

The "poor camerawork" (all lovingly simulated, of course) in season 1's broadcast intro The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina 00 can be appreciated for the same reason... (if you're in the mood to appreciate such things anyway... :))

EDIT: Kaisos above has said it better than me...

They do lens flare constantly, it's really nothing all that remarkable as far as their shows go. They do it even when it's unnecessary. Anyway this episode seems really hyped up and is getting a lot of praise. Gonna download it right now and see if it's actually THAT good or just the usual hype.

Addendum: Kyoani still has a ways to go to catch up with J.J Abrams on the abuse of lens flare though. Previously they were the outright record holder for me, but J.J just killed it with Star Trek.

Myssa Rei

2009-06-26, 01:05

No, I mean that Groundhog Day is a win movie and everyone should watch it.

Indeed, not only did he go crazy, he committed suicide multiple times just to see if it could end his suffering. Naturally, this didn't quite take, so one would imagine how Yuki was coping with it. One would wonder how YUUKI would take it?

Myssa Rei

2009-06-26, 01:07

Gonna download it right now and see if it's actually THAT good or just the usual hype.

Better wait for HD raws. The current ones on offer are... Well, let's say they don't look that good on my laptop's screen. I'll give it 3 days just to be sure.

DJ_RockmanX

2009-06-26, 01:11

Indeed, not only did he go crazy, he committed suicide multiple times just to see if it could end his suffering. Naturally, this didn't quite take, so one would imagine how Yuki was coping with it. One would wonder how YUUKI would take it?

Why would he act any differently?

Team Rocket Elite

2009-06-26, 01:11

Nagato probably went insane a lot.

600 years is a LONG time.

A very

very

Long time.

Even Rika Furude didn't spend that long in her loop, and we know she lost it a couple times.

You know... Humans always say, "It's better to regret something you did than to regret something you didn't do."

If there were a situation where maintaining the status quo would only make things worse but nobody knew what course of action would improve circumstances. Wouldn't you think that change, any change at all, would be best for now?

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.

A lack of action would only allow the situation to grow worse.

In that case, it should be okay for me to use my own judgement to assert changes, right?

I've grown quite tired of observing a static subject.

That's why...

Myssa Rei

2009-06-26, 01:14

Why would he act any differently?

More artificial testosterone and less artificial estrogen?

Kidding aside, it's easy to read a sort of desperate boredom in Yuki. :)

Myssa Rei

2009-06-26, 01:15

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.

A lack of action would only allow the situation to grow worse.

In that case, it should be okay for me to use my own judgement to assert changes, right?

I've grown quite tired of observing a static subject.

That's why...

Interesting parallel to Ryoko, but given the expectations for THIS iteration of Haruhi, it makes sense in context.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 01:23

You know... Humans always say, "It's better to regret something you did than to regret something you didn't do."

If there were a situation where maintaining the status quo would only make things worse but nobody knew what course of action would improve circumstances. Wouldn't you think that change, any change at all, would be best for now?

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.

A lack of action would only allow the situation to grow worse.

In that case, it should be okay for me to use my own judgement to assert changes, right?

I've grown quite tired of observing a static subject.

That's why...

Jesus christ.

Yeah, that's probably EXACTLY what she did.

And probably started acting exactly like Ryoko too.

Jeez that's terrifying.

Myssa Rei

2009-06-26, 01:41

Jesus christ.

Yeah, that's probably EXACTLY what she did.

And probably started acting exactly like Ryoko too.

Jeez that's terrifying.

It only means that Yuki's Farseer training failed her. I prefer Warlocks myself, frankly, as that Path is pretty much a dead end for the Children of Ulthanash Shelwe. ;)

baltakatei

2009-06-26, 01:55

Arrnea

2009-06-26, 01:59

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 02:04

Hmmm, so is it just me or was it more that the character looked entirely different (what's with Buff Kyon) and that the lens flare was off the charts insane rather than that the animation quality was driven through the roof. Granted there were a lot of random shots that looked better than ones in older episodes, but I see this more as a return to Kyoani's usual form for better and worse and not especially praise worthy. To me that would be akin to saying, "great job Kyoani, you are finally making use of the animation style you usually use". Personally I'll just say that I'm not a huge fan of the lense flares and orange tinted skies and think they're a little overdone.

What I did like though was how different a tone this episode struck from the previous one, despite containing mostly similar events. You'll note that while last episode the music was constant and mostly upbeat, this episode had almost no music except for that one sombre piano piece, thus creating a much less upbeat tone and one that seemed to hint at the worries of the cast over an endless summer. I also liked the use of the colourless background at the end as if to symbolize the idea that Kyon sees his currently reality as devoid of meaning and hence colour. Very surprising to see something like this from Kyoani who is usually all flash and flare so yeah I will give them a little kudos for actually showing some subtlety for a change and realizing that sometimes less is more when it comes to animation techniques, albeit a little late to save my eyes from the crazy high contrast that was the rest of this episode. Ah well, can't complain to much as the consistently well used music and the plot progression (however slow) more than make the episode at the end of the day.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 02:06

I can imagine Ryoko popping into Yuki's dreams, taunting her for stubbornly allowing the universe to be reset again and again... Telling her that despite Suzumiya's powers, inordinate amounts of energy of the universe are being consumed in order to restore its previous state from entropic decay.

I had a theory that Ryoko haunts Nagato's dreams.

Of course, in this case she'd just be a hallucination caused by extreme insanity.

Now that would be scary in animation, if done correctly.

Also, Yuki the Yandere?

*cough*

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Kaisos/Love.png

*snip*

Can NOTHING please you? :heh:

quigonkenny

2009-06-26, 02:11

Great episode. Can't help but agree that I'd rather they had ended it here, but this does seem to simplify the whole "How do we handle SMS" argument, eh?

Highlights of the episode:

Mikuru in the park. This was absolutely epic. By far the funniest thing in the entire novel version of E8, and it did not disappoint here. I can't wait for next episode, when kinsoku jikou tells kinsoku jikou they should go to kinsoku jikou and kinsoku jikou.

15,498. You think the MIA advertisement of the new episodes was a Kadokawa troll? That was nothing compared to the KyoAni troll foisted on us a few minutes after every novel reader who heard Yuki say that number told themselves "Oh, so this is the one where they get it right, then." Heh... Not so fast. Genius.

LOL at people going off about next week's episode going outside of canon (at least the six-letter f word wasn't used) when the only difference from the novel is likely to be a different number. And maybe some fleshing out of barely mentioned other events.

Detail. Or more specifically difference in detail. Changes in swimsuits and outfits. Almost no changes in Haruhi's dialogue. Changes in where Haruhi is pointing the telescope when she looks at Mars. Guess we know which side of the argument KyoAni sits on concerning whether Haruhi's powers can extend beyond Earth...

Ascaloth

2009-06-26, 02:15

Can NOTHING please you? :heh:

It's You-Know-Who. You think?! ;)

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 02:16

Considering I took a paragraph out to say how well I think the music has been used and how I liked the use of colourness in the final scene I would indeed say that I can be pleased.

kyosak

2009-06-26, 02:17

Wow @ Nagato's revelation... 15,498 times?!

I was getting a little worried after those first two episodes. Haruhi is finally picking it up~!

chinaboat

2009-06-26, 02:19

The worst part is that as of the end of this episode, they've officially run out of canon material to use in the next episode (Aside from the very, very last scene).

Yeah? - So? Perhaps the writer has expanded on the original premise or whatever - I for one have never seen the value in an anime being solely composed of regurgitated printed material.

What a terrible directorial decision, the next episode is going to be even more boring than this one as they just used the one interesting scene they skipped in the previous episode.

1/10

How could someone know that an upcoming (and therefore most likely unseen) episode of a heretofore exceptional anime will be "even more boring"?

Kogetsu Shirogane

2009-06-26, 02:20

15,498. You think the MIA advertisement of the new episodes was a Kadokawa troll? That was nothing compared to the KyoAni troll foisted on us a few minutes after every novel reader who heard Yuki say that number told themselves "Oh, so this is the one where they get it right, then." Heh... Not so fast. Genius.

LOL at people going off about next week's episode going outside of canon (at least the six-letter f word wasn't used) when the only difference from the novel is likely to be a different number. And maybe some fleshing out of barely mentioned other events.

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

kk2extreme

2009-06-26, 02:27

this reminds me of higurashi :heh:

Arrnea

2009-06-26, 02:29

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.
I'll be laughing too if that happens. :p

Ascaloth

2009-06-26, 02:31

I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

Maybe it's actually happened more times than she claimed, but she told them that it happened less times to try and put them more at ease than if she told them the actual number of loops. Except of course, being a humanoid interface, her sense of scale is a bit off. :heh:

Vicious108

2009-06-26, 02:32

Well, that was much better than last week. Some plot ftw.

Yuki's revelation almost made me jump, that was very well done. Fitting BGM there. As well as in the roof scene, with Koizumi getting touchy and all.

Yuki needs a hug now, IMO.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 02:35

Detail. Or more specifically difference in detail. Changes in swimsuits and outfits. Almost no changes in Haruhi's dialogue. Changes in where Haruhi is pointing the telescope when she looks at Mars. Guess we know which side of the argument KyoAni sits on concerning whether Haruhi's powers can extend beyond Earth...

FFFFFFFF I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT

What... what does that mean!?

Considering I took a paragraph out to say how well I think the music has been used and how I liked the use of colourness in the final scene I would indeed say that I can be pleased.

Still, you complain in another thread about how KyoAni sucks now that they've lost their style and flair since Yamakan left... and now you complain that they're just made of flash now that they've got that style back?

Uhhh...
I'm gonna laugh if the same number is used, just for the mindscrew. No, I don't know what that'd accomplish, aside from making Nagato look untrustworthy.

You know.

I'd do it, if I were them.

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 02:46

Still, you complain in another thread about how KyoAni sucks now that they've lost their style and flair since Yamakan left... and now you complain that they're just made of flash now that they've got that style back?

Settle down now, and I'll try to explain what I mean a little better. I never said they suck now that they've lost Yamakan, I implied that they made a bad call in letting him go and that it wasn't worth it to lose his eyecatching opening and ending sequences, which could have been put to much use on the viral marketing front. His openings and endings were a draw for Haruhi (2006) and you don't have to look to notice the difference in style between the current opening and ending and the old one. As for "flash and flare", that was a comment about their preferred artstyle which makes use of frequent (bordering on constant) lens flares and flashy animation sequences that rarely serve any purpose and tend to come at random intervals. I personally am not a huge fan of this style of animation (doesn't mean I hate it, but that I could do without it) and don't see anything extra special about it. Then again that's probably more due to overexposure to it then anything else when it comes to trends in Hollywood movies as of late.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 02:48

*snip*

Fair enough.

Their animation style tends to lead to mindfuckery, like with this episode, which is why it remains one of my favorites, however.

Myssa Rei

2009-06-26, 02:52

Are ga are, kore ga kore.

Another episode to go before The End of Summer for Haruhi and her friends. Maybe. Will Kyon find out what Haruhi's REALLY looking for? Get a hint man!

And yes, I'm dropping references that show my age.

Voitan

2009-06-26, 03:00

E8-pt2 pretty much used up most of the significant dialogues in the novel, so we have HIGH probability of venturing into brand new materials on a pre-existing story. (Have to admit, didn't expect that coming into S2. Hats off to KyoAni).

The way I'd do it, to TOTALLY mindfuck the audience... Is to make them wish Endless Eight never stopped.

New Material

From Yuki's POV of Endless Eight.

Yuki's actually not depressed at attempt 15497, she's feeling guilty.

I mean, sure she must have been boringly depressed after the first thousandth time, but in one mutation in one of the repeating events... Kyon notices her depressed mood, and treats her to something... borderline romantic to cheer her up.

In the proceeding repeats of the two weeks, Yuki has seen the event repeat once in a long while with small variations, to the point she has grown an attachment and curious desire to see it become more.

In one of the events however, it went far beyond what she would have imagined, and now she doesn't want these repeating weeks to stop.

However the guilt is eating at her and she feels she's unjustly taking advantage of an extraordinary situation from one of her only friends.

But all things must end so when the arc finally does end in this episode, you'd wish Endless Eight would continue on, rather than seeing it end.

kenjiharima

2009-06-26, 03:46

Mindfuck eh? and Yandere Yuki Nagato?! I gotta see this in subs rather than raws.

Arrnea

2009-06-26, 03:59

Mindfuck eh? and Yandere Yuki Nagato?! I gotta see this in subs rather than raws.
The mindfuck was in the episode, but more so for people who have read the novels.
i.e: novel readers now have NO idea what is going to happen in the next episode.

The Yandere Yuki was just a random idea that came up in the comparisons of this episode to Higurashi.

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 04:36

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 04:39

What mindfuck? There really wasn't anything mindfuck about this episode. Mindfuck is when you can't really be sure of what you are experiencing, this episode was pretty obvious about what has been going on and outright takes the time to have the cast sit around and talk about it and what to do about it.

"Mindfuck" as in "Strange imagery and a general sense of oddness, usually something rather like Evangelion."

But I agree with you, this episode was more "dark" than "mindfuck".

kniteowl

2009-06-26, 05:55

It's not going to BE a three-parter.

I guarantee you that the other 11 episodes are ALL going to be Endless Eight.

It's the neverend of the fucking world.

Fixed...

So it's out in the open now right? Nagato is no longer 3 years old but 597 years old (3 +594) if we assume nagato was created/born 3 years ago. I'm sticking with Nagato is 597 years old because she's gained 594 years worth of memories that the others lost.

Nagato's Impression?

Bored? Probably

but to me, she seems more relieved then anything lol.

I know at least one thing that will be in the next episode that wasn't in this one, it was skiped during the Park scene, I reckon its realtively important.

Coruja

2009-06-26, 06:01

I quite liked this episode!

I don't know... The next time will Kyon remember right away that they are in a time loop? If so, they could make a plan right at the beginning of the holidays and the episode would be totally different.

I am intrigued.

Willen

2009-06-26, 06:51

What I did like though was how different a tone this episode struck from the previous one, despite containing mostly similar events. You'll note that while last episode the music was constant and mostly upbeat, this episode had almost no music except for that one sombre piano piece, thus creating a much less upbeat tone and one that seemed to hint at the worries of the cast over an endless summer. I also liked the use of the colourless background at the end as if to symbolize the idea that Kyon sees his currently reality as devoid of meaning and hence colour. Very surprising to see something like this from Kyoani who is usually all flash and flare so yeah I will give them a little kudos for actually showing some subtlety for a change and realizing that sometimes less is more when it comes to animation techniques, albeit a little late to save my eyes from the crazy high contrast that was the rest of this episode. Ah well, can't complain to much as the consistently well used music and the plot progression (however slow) more than make the episode at the end of the day.

The BGM is one of the things I've always enjoyed about SHnY since the beginning. And I noticed the lack of music in this episode almost immediately. It really ramped up the sense of 'something is wrong' in the episode. That and the cranked up contrast really set the mood. Plus the fact that they didn't end the story arc at the end of the episode like many people expected was the icing on the cake.

I thoroughly enjoyed watching this episode. And reading the reactions here were a great bonus (not to mention the screwing up all the projected S2 episode lists). This is going down as one of my highest rated Haruhi episodes. Ever.

Dakota

2009-06-26, 06:56

Watch the Mazui subs last night with a friend of mine. I was very pleased. I should have given the first Endless Eight a lower rating, because the art did skyrocket in this episode. I would also consider this a mindfuck, since the dramatic irony is rampant right away from the beginning of the episode.

(For those who don't know what dramatic irony is, it is when the audience is aware of what is happening, but the characters are not. It's great, used very often.)

I gave this a 9/10, mainly because it could have been resolved, but the fact that they're stretching it out makes it seem so surreal, and improved my rating for it.

Also, if you look on a.f.k.'s website, it says that Endless Eight subs will be released on September 1st. :D

*edit*

There is BGM in the very first scene with Kyon on the couch. It was this creepy ambient tone. I have an ear for that kind of stuff, it gave me the chills.

Willen

2009-06-26, 07:01

Also, if you look on a.f.k.'s website, it says that Endless Eight subs will be released on September 1st. :D

The only thing better would be to SKIP the conclusion to this arc, jump right into Sighs next episode, and release Endless Eight III on DVD on September 1st 2009. Or air it on the last week of August. :p

People would RAGE. :heh:

Dakota

2009-06-26, 07:11

The only thing better would be to SKIP the conclusion to this arc, jump right into Sighs next episode, and release Endless Eight III on DVD on September 1st 2009. Or air it on the last week of August. :p

People would RAGE. :heh:

KyoAni would. They so would. Remember season one you gaiz??

Sackett

2009-06-26, 07:39

You know... Humans always say, "It's better to regret something you did than to regret something you didn't do."

If there were a situation where maintaining the status quo would only make things worse but nobody knew what course of action would improve circumstances. Wouldn't you think that change, any change at all, would be best for now?

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.

A lack of action would only allow the situation to grow worse.

In that case, it should be okay for me to use my own judgement to assert changes, right?

I've grown quite tired of observing a static subject.

That's why...

Jaw drops...

I suddenly have new empathy for Ryoko's plight.

And that disturbs me.

Sackett

2009-06-26, 07:47

Considering I took a paragraph out to say how well I think the music has been used and how I liked the use of colourness in the final scene I would indeed say that I can be pleased.

Don't worry, I understood that underneath the surface grumping that you were well pleased.

I quite enjoy your reviews- as I just think of you as that cranky old man who has high standards and so is always critical and never says anything nice- but underneath that cranky old man is a secret heart of gold with a soft spot for kittens, puppies, and cute girls doing cute things.

nekkotakka

2009-06-26, 07:48

I started this ep w/o any expectations (result of the crappy BLR and E8p1 eps) Didn't expect any of this; the mood was potrayed nicely (monotony,emptiness,etc)

Personal speculation: This episode could have stood alone without E8p1 so i was thinking if this was animated for the July 07 airing. That woul explain disparencies in the quality of animation and storyboarding of this and the other 2 eps.

jonli

2009-06-26, 07:55

Keio

2009-06-26, 07:56

I know everyone's busy talking about the plot and what's going to happen.

But is it just me who noticed the extra focus on boobs this episode? Some scenes just obviously zoom up to Haruhi/Mikuru's boobs and see them bounce or squeeze.

< : \....is that part of the "plan" too?
Working as intended.

Don't worry, I understood that underneath the surface grumping that you were well pleased.

I quite enjoy your reviews- as I just think of you as that cranky old man who has high standards and so is always critical and never says anything nice- but underneath that cranky old man is a secret heart of gold with a soft spot for kittens, puppies, and cute girls doing cute things.
Funniest comment I've ever read. :heh:

Roger Rambo

2009-06-26, 08:06

I know everyone's busy talking about the plot and what's going to happen.

But is it just me who noticed the extra focus on boobs this episode? Some scenes just obviously zoom up to Haruhi/Mikuru's boobs and see them bounce or squeeze.

< : \....is that part of the "plan" too?
Kyoani realized that they couldn't just keep up their idiosyncratic trolling without giving the fans something. Thus the obligatory Haruhi ass shot was given some Haruhi boob shots, and then they remembered that Mikuru was the ZOMG boobz! so they gave her a boob shot.

Keio

2009-06-26, 08:08

Kyoani realized that they couldn't just keep up their idiosyncratic trolling without giving the fans something. Thus the obligatory Haruhi ass shot was given some Haruhi boob shots, and then they remembered that Mikuru was the ZOMG boobz! so they gave her a boob shot.
I've noticed in the new episodes that Haruhi "caught up" with Mikuru's size. I thought she was pissed at Mikuru's boobs since they were bigger than hers. What gives?

jonli

2009-06-26, 08:11

Lol, I mean plan as in, I thought it'd be actually part of the Suzumiya Haruhi plotline.

Since everything is done for a reason in this series.

I thought maybe an increase in boobs shots have something to do with the plot too, guess I was thinking too much...

But the Haruhi squeezing her chest against Kyon's back was just whoa, obvious boob-squeezing is obvious.

And when Haruhi smiles and says "I'll give you permission to wear this anytime you want" to Mikuru, we see Kyon's facial expression go :O. Is this him having a Deja Vu, or him dazzled by Haruhi's smile?

typhonsentra

2009-06-26, 08:13

Two ideas for how the next episode could go:

1.) A long "What If?" cycle where we see how things would go down if.... Kyon bought the mask for Nagato instead of her buying it herself, Koizumi hugging Haruhi, Mikuru going Yandere.

2.) The story moving away from Kyon's perspective ala "Someday in the Rain". It'd be interesting to see a story told from Haruhi's perspective.

stubby42

2009-06-26, 08:14

So I guess it has to be asked, how many times have they realised their trapped in a time loop and been unable to do anything about it?

As for my impression of the episode I really enjoyed it, though I ended up feeling sorry for Mikuru she hasnt had much luck with time traveling lately.

Roger Rambo

2009-06-26, 08:14

I've noticed in the new episodes that Haruhi "caught up" with Mikuru's size. I thought she was pissed at Mikuru's boobs since they were bigger than hers. What gives?Haruhi's ok with Mikuru having a bigger bust as long as she gets to play with it.

Ascaloth

2009-06-26, 08:34

Episode 15,510 13 article is up:

[RIUVA] Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu (2009), Episode 13: Endless Eight (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1444)

I decided "screw this shit" at the end of writing this article, so yeah. :heh:

jonli

2009-06-26, 08:35

Haruhi's ok with Mikuru having a bigger bust as long as she gets to play with it.

Maybe bigger means more sensitive? :confused: If so it'd be nice to have bigger fun bags yourself.

:cool: That's just speculation, I never asked any of my lady friends about that.

Roger Rambo

2009-06-26, 09:25

Maybe bigger means more sensitive? :confused: If so it'd be nice to have bigger fun bags yourself.

:cool: That's just speculation, I never asked any of my lady friends about that.
Haruhi's already pretty well endowed.
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2967/vlcsnap394118.png)

LumpOfCole

2009-06-26, 09:47

Having never read the novels, I *Loved* this episode and the way they did it, because it really gives last week's episode deeper meaning than just 'random fun in the sun.' It's what I love about this series. Plus the way that the new animation gave different angles on everything was a big plus too. Totally reminded me of the ST:TNG episode "Cause and Effect" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfuXUNRDOy0

Arrnea

2009-06-26, 10:01

So I guess it has to be asked, how many times have they realised their trapped in a time loop and been unable to do anything about it?
This is answered in the novel chapter, so here goes:
According to the Endless Eight chapter in 'The Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya' (light novel), they have come to this realisation a total of 8,769 times (according to Nagato), and been able to do nothing about it.

OkamiNoKaze

2009-06-26, 10:53

Great episode, I agree with others they could have kept this to two episodes, but the cliff hanger was ingenious. I got the sense of gloom and doom too, did like Haruhi's swim suit and Yutaka in this episode, in fact all her outfits were a bit better

Semantics

2009-06-26, 11:05

Unadulterated brilliance. I give this a 10/10. Even though I've read the novel, I was still strangely (and properly) freaked out watching this episode. Had my hands on my forehead, jaws wide open for the entire second half.

Kyoani deserves trucks of gold for delivering this episode the way they did. The handling of tension and atmosphere was skilled, seemingly insignificant little subtleties were inserted almost artistically and I actually like that it's a 3 episode arc, as devastating as that can be to the rest of the season. Reading the novel and getting excited over the expansive plot is nothing like watching the action unfold in time and space right before your eyes, especially when the story is framed and juxtaposed this particular way.

THIS is the Haruhi I knew and loved! And now, finally, She is officially back.

Nikkan

2009-06-26, 11:28

* ItsukixKyon moments for the yaoi fangirls
* Depressed Yuki glowing eyes
* Finally get the Haruhi-feeling back

* Another episode!? Geez -_-
* Kyon failing at stopping Haruhi in the end

Starry Dust

2009-06-26, 12:20

Koizumi was seriously too FABULOUS in this episode.

Anywayz, I thought this episode was great. I wouldn't call it a mindfuck or depressing, but suprising and gloomy somewhat. This whole episode dealed with atmosphere to the scene and KyoAni aced it pretty well. Despite the fact that some people complained about this arc being a 3-parter, I wouldn't mind it at all. I still find everything interesting to watch unfold.

Seeing Yuki act that way was bothersome to watch though ]:
The ending left me speechless and empty.

TadloS

2009-06-26, 13:12

Lol, this two weeks repeated for 15 498 times. Though Nagato knew this but didn't mention to anyone... Besides, clothes of main characters was superb. Haruhi ;33 Also Koizumi looked pretty cool in this episode.

Even though place is mostly the same I find it funny how much this episode is better in animation/artwork department than previous episode. Well, no complaint here. Will all this creepy soundtracks and visually stunning artwork made this episode very enjoyable. I even willing to rewatch this episode.

Anyway, brilliant episode with brilliant direction and animation/art.

Btw, when Koizumi said to Kyon "if I would say to Haruhi I love you". They didn't showed Kyon's face. I wonder why? Later he's said I'm just joking and we saw Kyon's face relieved. Maybe Kyon really have slight feeling for Haruhi?

Helius

2009-06-26, 13:21

Lol, this two weeks repeated for 15 498 times. Though Nagato knew this but didn't mention to anyone... Besides, clothes of main characters was superb. Haruhi ;33 Also Koizumi looked pretty cool in this episode.

Even though place is mostly the same I find it funny how much this episode is better in animation/artwork department than previous episode. Well, no complaint here. Will all this creepy soundtracks and visually stunning artwork made this episode very enjoyable. I even willing to rewatch this episode.

Anyway, brilliant episode with brilliant direction and animation/art.

Yep the overall quality was definitely better than previous eps. I guess it must've been due to K-on! ended so the Haruhi dept. got a couple more helping hands with animation. :)

Dakota

2009-06-26, 14:25

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 15:08

Don't worry, I understood that underneath the surface grumping that you were well pleased.

I quite enjoy your reviews- as I just think of you as that cranky old man who has high standards and so is always critical and never says anything nice- but underneath that cranky old man is a secret heart of gold with a soft spot for kittens, puppies, and cute girls doing cute things.

It's more that I prefer to just not jump all over an episode praising it from head to toe week in and week out and have my own way of showing appreciation for something.....which comes along with any criticisms however light or significant they may be. I do know this tendency throws people off quite a bit.

And yes I do actually like kittens, puppies and lolis. :cool:

Anywho I'd be talking about what I'm expecting from next time right now, but the rules are very strict on that sort of thing when it comes to being versed in the source. Guess it'll have to wait for a reaction.

Sir Jeeves

2009-06-26, 15:44

You know, I just realized earlier: Since this is 3 episodes, that means Endless Eight is going to have lasted us two weeks when it's over. Two weeks of summer antics with Haruhi, just like one of the many cycles the SOS Brigade's gone through.

Ascaloth

2009-06-26, 16:17

It's more that I prefer to just not jump all over an episode praising it from head to toe week in and week out....

Really? I'm pretty sure I can pick a selection of your posts in the Code Geass and Gundam 00 subforums at random, and get a general pattern of you doing exactly that. ;)

(Sleep-deprived and judgement-impaired, don't mind me lol)

Kogetsu Shirogane

2009-06-26, 16:42

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2009-06-26, 16:53

What I'm saying is Haruhi is correcting for the planet drifting out of alignment, if she knows all these scientific theories (which seems likely, shes probably obsessivly read everything) she could just be pushing it back sub consitiously.

Haruhi feels like this part of summer is a perfect moment in time, so they have to give her a reason to brake that loop which ultimatly is the suggestion of future happier moments.

Of course this is all speculation, the truth is the writers have probably never thought about the practicalities of time travel in that much detail, or if they did they chose to ignore it for the sake of the plot.
Planet drift is irrelevant. Haruhi didn't just rearranged planet Earth; she rearranged the ENTIRE space-time. Saying Haruhi moved planets is just making it complicated when it didn't have to be.

Moving planets will not take into account the memory wipes. All signs points to Haruhi altering the canvas on which the universe exists, rather than moving individual objects on the canvas.

bladeofdarkness

2009-06-26, 17:00

is it just me or is haruhi herself getting a much more fanservecy treatment this season
this episode in praticular made it a point to draw attention to her for fanservece purposes more then usual

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 17:05

C.A.

2009-06-26, 17:06

is it just me or is haruhi herself getting a much more fanservecy treatment this season
this episode in praticular made it a point to draw attention to her for fanservece purposes more then usualWe already know that while Mikuru has the boobs, Haruhi has the butt since the last Endless Eight.

This episode is Itsuki's fanservice episode.

bladeofdarkness

2009-06-26, 17:07

its a thing
its definitly a thing
not a BAD thing per say (or at all)
but its still a thing that i noticed is more then normal

and from the looks of it
haruhi aint exactly short changed in the top department

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 17:09

and from the looks of it
haruhi aint exactly short changed in the top department

And I am in no way displeased with this development.

This episode is Itsuki's fanservice episode.

No complaints about that either.

C.A.

2009-06-26, 17:12

Next episode better have some Imouto-chan service, I'm expecting some.And about the extent of Haruhi's reset. I wonder if she only resets matter and not time itself. Or are Data Entities totally outside of time and reality of this universe.

khryoleoz

2009-06-26, 17:16

Btw, when Koizumi said to Kyon "if I would say to Haruhi I love you". They didn't showed Kyon's face. I wonder why? Later he's said I'm just joking and we saw Kyon's face relieved. Maybe Kyon really have slight feeling for Haruhi?
They didn't show Kyon's face because it wasn't Kyon's reaction that the director and/or script writer wanted us to see, but Koizumi's. We read from Koizumi's own expression what Kyon's reaction was, as that expression would be a response to Kyon's. Basically, what we saw was how disappointed Koizumi was that Kyon didn't have the hots for him.

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 17:19

. . . CURSE YOU AND YOUR SYMBOLISM, KYOANI!! *shakes fist* :heh:

How is that symbolism? Something in a series can't be symbolic of something that is potentially happening outside of it's scope and beyond the fourth wall.

OkamiNoKaze

2009-06-26, 17:24

Was it just me, or was there an item on Haruhi's list that wasn't crossed off? did anyone catch what it was?

Also Mikuru may have the bigger breasts, but Haruhi has the overall better body

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 17:26

Imagine now, if Haruhi only resets the universe itself, the universe will very likely get thrown off in the multiverse space and over thousands of times of resets, a parallel universe will very likely crash into the universe.

Parallel universes and the multiverse do not work that way. Since the universe is infinite, parallel universes simply occupy the same location in space-time.

Also Mikuru may have the bigger breasts, but Haruhi has the overall better body

Exactly.

Sackett

2009-06-26, 18:55

I've noticed in the new episodes that Haruhi "caught up" with Mikuru's size. I thought she was pissed at Mikuru's boobs since they were bigger than hers. What gives?

I don't see that.

I just see Haruhi thrusting her chest out at every opportunity, while Mikuru sort of hunches over, pulling her chest in and tries to disappear.

Roger Rambo

2009-06-26, 19:54

We already know that while Mikuru has the boobs, Haruhi has the butt since the last Endless Eight.
She's had it for longer. A quick review of quite a few of the illustrations makes it pretty clear that someone took sir mix allot to heart.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7769/butt.jpg

That is exceptionally...round...and I just noticed that Yuki has her camera pointed directly at Haruhi's ass. Even Imouto seems to be staring at it.
Next episode better have some Imouto-chan service, I'm expecting some.
:twitch:

Also Mikuru may have the bigger breasts, but Haruhi has the overall better body
That's because Haruhi is extremely physically active. Give's her a more toned/athletic body...I'm not sure if Mikuru HAS any muscle tone.

If one was to give the both of them full body massages (nothing wrong about that is there?), the body texture for both of them would be respectively described as "Firm" and "soft"...and that would be that mans last words cause everyone would lynch him.
lolol we need more mecha fans to watch Haruhi, or more Haruhi fans to watch mecha, they don't know what they're missing.
Most Mecha stories do not interest me. I prefer more realistic science fiction stories.

...like one's where NASA stops the alien invasion by having an Iowa Class Battleship and a Space shuttle have a fucked up flipper baby, detonate dozens of atomic weapons to launch it into orbit and then have it shoot nuclear rockets at the enemy mother ship, that shoot lasers when they explode.

Kogetsu Shirogane

2009-06-26, 20:11

Mikuru's main problem is having almost zero self-esteem. I think she'd be pathetic even in zero g.

This isn't the place for this discussion, by the way. :heh:

Kaisos Erranon

2009-06-26, 20:12

True, this is the sort of thing the ontology thread is supposed to be about.

Could a mod please move these relevant posts there? Thanks.

Change of Pace

2009-06-26, 22:04

I had typed up a nice comment about what I liked about this episode n' such, but my computer decided to crash before posting it. So, instead of retyping, I will post something 5000x more meaningful:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/warpstar99/Picture11.png
KOIZUMI: "I RABU YOU."

Kyanme

2009-06-26, 22:23

KOIZUMI: "I RABU YOU."

Moar like, "May I steal your girlfriend?" :p (Hilariously, that screencap makes it look like he's blowing into Kyon's ear. AHAHA.)

...I do wonder where people are getting the ItsuKyon vibes from that scene though. I mean, I wear my Slash Goggles with everything I watch and I really just didn't see it. Mayhaps someone can explain?

Ascaloth

2009-06-26, 22:27

Yes, Mikuru being as weak as she is, could actually be an example of a fit human from the future :heh:

Oh, Asahina Mikuru (Big) certainly is healthy-looking enough, IYKWIM. :naughty:

C.A.

2009-06-26, 22:32

I see, because Mikuru has traveled to the past, she can become so healthy looking.

If she wasn't a time traveler, she may never grow up as well.

Itsuki loves both Kyon and Haruhi.

Hypnotic avatar is dangerous.

Bionicman

2009-06-26, 22:42

More detailed impressions later, but for now:

-As others have noted, KyoAni seems to have noticed that the fanservice in previous episodes disproportionately featured the female characters, and has taken steps to be more 'equal opportunity' w.r.t. gender.
-The music (especially the piano during the reveal) set the scene excellently. This episode had a distinct 'Twilight Zone' feeling, thanks in no small part to the music.
-I understand to a certain extent why they redid the events of the last episode again, but I wish it could have gone faster.
-If they're willing to take three episodes for this story, imagine how long they'll take for Disappearance, Sighs, or Snow Mountain (they probably won't get to Intrigues).
Dear everybody trying to explain the universe:

http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.phpPutting aside the questions about the author, the entire video is based on an idea (string 'theory') that is becoming discredited (owing to the fact that the 'theory' doesn't make any substantive predictions, has no experimental evidence backing it up, and has failed to account for recent discoveries). See here (http://www.amazon.com/Trouble-Physics-String-Theory-Science/dp/061891868X/ref=pd_cp_b_1) and here (http://www.amazon.com/Not-Even-Wrong-Failure-Physical/dp/0465092764/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246073233&sr=8-1) for more.

C.A.

2009-06-26, 22:55

The idea of the String Theory always had skeptics, but it has continued to progress and recent years unified into the M-Theory.

Its being studied by top scientists like Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku. Its one of the main reasons why the Large Hadron Collider is built, the LHC itself is needed to do the experiments and proof the String Theory. They haven't have full solid proof because they need the apparatus, which is the LHC.

Shizzon

2009-06-26, 22:57

this ep was full of win because of all the new outfits for the girls and the moe level of haruhi and mikuru. plus the constant koizumi in kyon's face was win!! i really liked this episode and look foward to the next episode even if it will be another repeat of the theme..

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 23:01

-As others have noted, KyoAni seems to have noticed that the fanservice in previous episodes disproportionately featured the female characters, and has taken steps to be more 'equal opportunity' w.r.t. gender.

I like to think it was Gundamized a bit in that regard. :D Though maybe it's more that Haruhi is one of those rare series by them where the male characters (who do exist in this one) are given equal or perhaps even sometimes more screen time then the female characters and hence the fanservice also comes across as more equal by default.

Though personally I relate more to Itsuki then I do to K-On. The way he says things that are out of the ordinary and smiles like nothing is wrong in order to throw people off reminds me of yours truly.

Ascaloth

2009-06-26, 23:07

The way he says things that are out of the ordinary and smiles like nothing is wrong in order to throw people off reminds me of yours truly.

So, you're saying that he reminds you of just how FABULOUS you are?

:D

dnab

2009-06-26, 23:23

Moar like, "May I steal your girlfriend?" :p (Hilariously, that screencap makes it look like he's blowing into Kyon's ear. AHAHA.)

...I do wonder where people are getting the ItsuKyon vibes from that scene though. I mean, I wear my Slash Goggles with everything I watch and I really just didn't see it. Mayhaps someone can explain?

Boy-Love imageries completely intentional.

The idea is to skirt the boundary of suggestion but not crossing it. What a good, otaku approved animator does is to (use volleyball analogy) set up the ball and let the (doujin) fans hit it themselves. Now how many copies of an Endless Summer doujinshi featuring a shirtless Kyon and a open shirt Itsuki on the cover do you think will sell?

Comiket comes this August. Talk about riding the viral publicity.....

Dakota

2009-06-26, 23:28

I really like how there's two discussions ITT:

1. Haruhi's boobs/Waifuuuu/fanservice crap
2. The String Theory

thank you, Japan.

Kaioshin Sama

2009-06-26, 23:31

So, you're saying that he reminds you of just how FABULOUS you are?

:D

Perhaps..... :cool:

ReneeBurossamu

2009-06-27, 00:16

C.A.

2009-06-27, 00:36

Mikuru seems like she's the only one who hasn't had the deja vu feeling or that she's even aware that the days are repeating until she doesn't get a response from the future.
Does that have to do with the fact that she's a time traveler or what? Or that Haruhi isn't "familiar" with Mikuru?

*cough* And another case where Mikuru seems like the only one in the group who's helpless and can't do much.Mikuru doesn't tell anyone about the kinsoku jikou because its kinsoku jikou. She did check back with the kinsoku jikou to find out what kinsoku jikou is happening. She double checked with the kinsoku jikou in the end and found that the kinsoku jikou really can't be connected. Her fears of a kinsoku jikou really happened, that's why she gathered everyone that night.

She has deja vus like the others, but because its a kinsoku jikou, she has to keep quiet. But still in the end she realised that its useless, and that she can never return to the future, she confirms that a kinsoku jikou has taken place.

So actually she's the one who realised the truth of the entire kinsoku jikou, the others only have a hunch and have no real idea what's happening.

Of course not counting Yuki.

chinaboat

2009-06-27, 01:03

I really like how there's two discussions ITT:

1. Haruhi's boobs/Waifuuuu/fanservice crap
2. The String Theory

thank you, Japan.

Methinks more like thank you to all those involved with SHnY. Maybe a mod could suggest another series that continuously spawns such a wide range of thread topics (the ontology thread is awesome) because I haven't run across any yet in my limited travels.

(Anyone who'd like a layman's guide to string theory should check out Nova's three parter "The Elegant Universe")

Given her competitive nature, I think it's only natural that Haruhi "reset" her bust size to more favorably match up to Mikuru.

Jintor

2009-06-27, 03:18

Wow. That ending really is kind of a shocking swerve.

TAKE THAT NOVEL READERS!

Jintor

2009-06-27, 03:43

By the way, there was one thing about the animation that really bugged me: eyebrows over hair.

One of my pet peeves.

bladeofdarkness

2009-06-27, 05:19

Mikuru doesn't tell anyone about the kinsoku jikou because its kinsoku jikou. She did check back with the kinsoku jikou to find out what kinsoku jikou is happening. She double checked with the kinsoku jikou in the end and found that the kinsoku jikou really can't be connected. Her fears of a kinsoku jikou really happened, that's why she gathered everyone that night.

She has deja vus like the others, but because its a kinsoku jikou, she has to keep quiet. But still in the end she realised that its useless, and that she can never return to the future, she confirms that a kinsoku jikou has taken place.

So actually she's the one who realised the truth of the entire kinsoku jikou, the others only have a hunch and have no real idea what's happening.

Of course not counting Yuki.

well that makes sense :heh:

CaptGloval

2009-06-27, 06:03

CPOK

2009-06-27, 06:04

Bear in mind that some of us don't give a damn about catgirls. Bring on the massacre.

Natch.

Is that right Skane? And here I thought I remembered that you liked catgirls from your days back in the channel.

*Forte*

2009-06-27, 06:34

I watched the episode on live jp tv website. There was a comment channel and...real fun, it was like I was watching it in the cinema where allows us to chat/scream/yell lol. That made the epi even better.
I didn't feel well when I saw to many people wanna hug *cough* my *cough* Yuki tho.

Kogetsu Shirogane

2009-06-27, 07:09

This episode managed to raise certain feelings in me I wasn't expecting until much later in the season, and that is truly an impressive feat. However, the knowledge that I'll have to struggle through a similar episode next week kills the rating.
7/10

I didn't feel well when I saw to many people wanna hug *cough* my *cough* Yuki tho.

. . . Ahem? The Great Goddess is not some object you can claim. While the thought of people wanting to put their arms around her may be disconcerting, please treat her with the dignity and respect she rightfully deserves.

Jintor

2009-06-27, 09:46

It might just be me, but I think the jazz background music in the cafe during both Endless Eights is possibly based on some of the new BGM?

siber222000

2009-06-27, 11:46

i thought this episode gave me so much to think about, it was just plain amazing episode. LOVE IT! :p can't wait for next week.

risingstar3110

2009-06-27, 12:02

This Ep is amazingly good. So many nice screen that i probably will have to rewatch the whole Ep again later.

The screen where Haruhi give Mikuru's permission to wear that frog suit.... I have to rewatched like ten times seeing how godly cute Haruhi is. Then when they fell asleep next to each other.... that screen were just so adorable.

More detail comments will be on after rewatching this EP. But yeah, just finished Higurashi Rei Ep 3 yesterday and........this ep remind me Higurashi alot.
Especially when Kyon and the groups were trying to figure out how to escape the Endless Eight. My unconcious mind screamed: "Please don't let the key in Haruhi's mother" xD

Kogetsu Shirogane

2009-06-27, 12:05

Well it isn't the first time this was compared to Higurashi... probably won't be the last time, either :heh:

wittyusername

2009-06-27, 12:07

Well it isn't the first time this was compared to Higurashi... probably won't be the last time, either :heh:

At least in Endless Eight the SOS Brigade isn't murdered by a nurse with droopy eyes after finally having worked together to stop the whole Groundhog Day thing.

risingstar3110

2009-06-27, 12:14

@wittyusername: Oi!!! put that into spoiler =D

Actually Higurashi and Haruhi were so different in my mind that i categorized them into two sections clearly(so can't really compare these two). Can only related one to another

On another note, i think all of these Haruhiism start to get back into me, i feel uncomfortable to address Haruhi without any honorific.....

kk2extreme

2009-06-27, 12:16

as least haruhi does not make my head hurt as much as tsubasa chronicles :heh:

Kogetsu Shirogane

2009-06-27, 12:26

At least in Endless Eight the SOS Brigade isn't murdered by a nurse with droopy eyes after finally having worked together to stop the whole Groundhog Day thing.

Actually the differences between this episode and the previous amplify the Higurashi similarities. :heh:

relentlessflame

2009-06-27, 12:34

Maybe a mod could suggest another series that continuously spawns such a wide range of thread topics (the ontology thread is awesome) because I haven't run across any yet in my limited travels.I'm not sure, but it's the first one that I've actually tried to follow in any detail, and it makes my head hurt.

Moved 42 posts to the Ontology thread, and I hope that I got all the relevant ones...

octoberasian

2009-06-27, 14:26

I haven't read much of the novel, and late to reply so haven't read the previous posts yet, but a couple things:
I think the reason the fact that they didn't have any feeling of "deja vu" until now is that their memories are erased in each cycle. It seems to be a degrading effect now that the group has gone through some 15,000-plus times and the memory erasure is starting to lose its efficacy.

I think there were one of two possibilities hinted in this episode on how to end the loop, and I don't think we'll know until the third or possibly fourth part of Endless Eight.

Seeing that I haven't read all the novels yet, my assumptions for one of those two hints are:
1. Kyon spends time alone with Haruhi, something that I think Haruhi's subconscious is hoping for.

or

2. When near the end Haruhi asks what else the group wants to do, instead of suggesting nothing, one of them (most likely Kyon) will suggest something new to do before summer vacation ends.

Takamura Mamoru

2009-06-27, 14:34

It's funny that today's episode already very subtly implied the solution to it all.
I won't spoiler anything, but if you want to find it out yourself: Think about the ending of this episode.

Just a tip.

I'm gonna review the episode eventually, since I really really liked it, great atmosphere and very well executed, by I wait until afk subs are out and watch it again before I do that.

Change of Pace

2009-06-27, 16:07

-Sho-

2009-06-27, 17:42

"Deja vu" XD
First five minutes , i knew what happened ! Yeah , Haruhi isn't satisfied yet ! Its because of her if the times resetting . But damn lol 15498 !!! Poor Nagato , she seems so boring !
Yeah , i agree with Koizumi , a hug and "i love you" can work :) Maybe Haruhi want a date with Kyon .
So another reset next episode ? with news footages .
its remind me some animes .

Roger Rambo

2009-06-27, 18:03

You know, though, Koizumi was on the right track. The loop could have been easily solved like this:

-Kyon whispers into Haruhi's ear that he's just crazy about her, baby baby.
- Haruhi goes into tsundere mode.
- Kyon tell her he's looking forward to walking to school with her in a couple of days, hand in hand, all couple-like.
- Haruhi makes time go back to normal because her hormones can't wait to get it on with Kyon asap. Summer holidays, pssssht, no comparison.
- Conclusion: End of time loop.
Or Haruhi could go Makoto Kanno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_Who_Leapt_Through_Time#Plot), get caught completely off guard by this and girlishly spazz out. In her momentary panic, she'll wish to be anywhere but where she is at the moment. Thus the time loop will reset.

"Kyon has startled the Haruhi"

...Kyon'll probably have to confess to Haruhi a few thousand times before she accepts it.

Change of Pace

2009-06-27, 18:53

Or Haruhi could go Makoto Kanno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_Who_Leapt_Through_Time#Plot), get caught completely off guard by this and girlishly spazz out. In her momentary panic, she'll wish to be anywhere but where she is at the moment. Thus the time loop will reset.

"Kyon has startled the Haruhi"

...Kyon'll probably have to confess to Haruhi a few thousand times before she accepts it.
...
Then, we could call upon Brilliant Plan B:

-Kyon secretly slips Haruhi a letter that says:
"I love you like crazy alien symbols.
- Ore wa John Smith
p.s. See you at school ♥"

Haruhi will probably fast forward time to get to the first day back at school out of anticipation. PROBLEM SOLVED y/y?

fish eric

2009-06-27, 19:13

I really liked the animation in this episode.

The scene where Kyon and Kazumi were standing in the shade of a tree while bits of light shined on them was awesome. And the whole episode was kinda dreamy. Hmm... a better way to put it is surrealistic. Like being in a dream.

I think the only reason that they were able to have any memories at all is because time is like a picture flip book. Each page is another unit of time. And I think sometimes you and yourself in the next "dimension" have some psychic ability.

I think this is what deja vu is. Either that or you are remembering something from a dream.