Clannad - Extra Episode (Kyou Chapter) Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Klashikari

2009-06-30, 19:51

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Game8910

2009-06-30, 20:27

it was....not as good as I had hoped it would be...its just too little time to adapt such amount of content...7/10 for this, a shame really because this is IMO the best arc in all of the Clannad VN (even better than After Story). If only this had been 40 minutes

Farplaner

2009-06-30, 20:30

Game8910

2009-06-30, 20:40

There's also more kisses in this episode than the whole 2 seasons of Clannad combined ;)

:cool: I know...its cool

digi.amuro

2009-06-30, 21:51

I watched it raw too and it felt abit rushed. They hit the key points, but it felt more like a 5 minute trailer with the rapid pacing. I cant bring myself to pass final judgement on it till I see subs, so we'll see. Overall it was nice seeing Kyou's ark animated, just wish they'd taken better care in condensing it.

DeX-kun

2009-06-30, 21:58

Just watched it RAW...

Everything was super fast forward, but I guess the essence of the story was presented. I cried like crazy in the game, but here, I felt that the story was touching but I didn't feel like crying at all.

There's also more kisses in this episode than the whole 2 seasons of Clannad combined ;)

I watched it raw too and it felt abit rushed. They hit the key points, but it felt more like a 5 minute trailer with the rapid pacing. I cant bring myself to pass final judgement on it till I see subs, so we'll see. Overall it was nice seeing Kyou's ark animated, just wish they'd taken better care in condensing it.

Well it was bound to happen considering all the material was going to be compressed within a 22 minute time frame <_< They should have made it at least 40 minutes to an hour since this is an OAV but I guess we'll have to settle for this.

I just wish they gave Tomoya and Nagisa some more intimate scenes then what we got but I guess we can't have everything we want :p

ThoHell

2009-06-30, 22:08

WHATTTTTTT???!!! You people saw the raw already? I thought it comes out tomorrow. Ok, it's time to do some madd searching, I MUST SEE IT NOW!!!! I hope it's just awesomeness. Kyou was my fav. out of all the girls, even more than Tomoyo

Tak

2009-06-30, 22:15

I just watched it myself. As what many people have mentioned already, a lot of the details were deliberately left out to cram the material into a 25 minute frame. This meant a lot of the more enjoyable moments in the VN or the drama CD were not included and that the whole thing felt like a fast-forwarding fest. The pace is completely off-balance.

A shame really. Although they did manage to hit most of the major key points, the OVA, like the Tomoyo incarnation before it, felt a bit lackluster.

The biggest problem though, is the lack of EMOTIONS. Where is the angst? Where is the pain? Where is the desperation?! Many were just cut for the sake of cramming. Even Sunhara's reaction here was less than amusing. Another thing is that Kyou is way too soft here... and I mean soft as in cotton-soft. The OVA also excluded one of the best uttered exchange from the VA, which occurred at the end of Kyou's portion when she kissed Tomoya.

Overall... happy to get an OVA, but... SIGH~

- Tak

ThoHell

2009-06-30, 23:52

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, I watched it. Yup got to agree with you guys, 1 episode is definitely to short for this. There was s much that could of been done or covered. Sigh, can't believe it's over and I only get 1 Kyou episode...oh, Kyou with that Hair is a no no, long hair is a must for her. Even with that hair she still didn't look like her twin, weird. But anyways, it was too short and not enough....:(

Ottocycle

2009-06-30, 23:58

My feelings watching through this can only be summed in three words. 違和感. (Also game player here)

The fault of the length, definitely.

Ithekro

2009-07-01, 01:07

Yeah...that was rushed. Pretty, but rushed.

touge-n00b

2009-07-01, 03:13

Yeah, I will agree with you all when you say it was rushed. They flew through a lot of scenes in the VN, and the pacing itself felt off.

However, I think if you take this episode as a compliment to the VN, then it was great. This episode, IMO anyway, was clearly aimed at the VN players, and not necessarily the anime only viewers. The Tomoyo episode felt more stand-alone, but this episode assumes you've played the VN.

Overall though, as a Kyou fan, I enjoyed it. Maybe more so then the Tomoyo episode.

One more question: Can we assume that was Nagisa in the end Ryou meets up with? :D

izmosmolnar

2009-07-01, 03:29

I don't think it was Nagisa.

I think the Tomoyo OVA was more enjoyable to be honest, despite that I actually like both of the game-routes almost on the same level.
Oh well, it was nice to see Sunohara and schoolgirl Kyou again, so I'm not complaining.
Actually I would have preferred if they somehow make it as a 30-35-40 minutes long OVA, and implement somehow Kappei too, so Ryou wouldn't be so sad in the end. I was wishing for something like that in the game too, but it could have been actually a good idea doing it here. Well it's no big deal though.

edit: and it was a bit ironic that we've seen more kisses and intimate hugs etc here, than the the Afterstory and first season combined. :/ (At least I'm under the impression that's the case)

Shiroth

2009-07-01, 06:16

A shame it was so short. Would have worked a lot better if it at least lasted an hour or so. Still really enjoyed it, which is quite a surprise because i didn't think i'd like it as much as i did.

Kyou with short hair is insanely adorable.

siber222000

2009-07-01, 10:47

hm.. I was looking forward for this episode because personally I loved kyou route for the game, but they changed the VN plot little and yeah it was definitely rushed. only if it was longer it would've been pretty good. they did it so well for tomoyo OVA so why is this one kinda rushed? no clue~ but I'm definitely not very pleased after all that waiting :frustrated: kyou route is still the best though~

*Forte*

2009-07-01, 11:02

It's rushed a hell lot. My friends who didn't play Clannad or watch the 1st season don't understand why Tomoya loves Kyou lol
At least they put some kiss scenes here but...well... I think this epi is better than Tomoyo's Arc in term of art-quality, and that's all. And did anyone hear Kyou say anything about feeding Tomoya to the sharks if he loves Ryou?

Child_of_Sierra

2009-07-01, 11:21

I could sort of sense how some parts needed a bit more padding but to finally see the one arc I wanted most since the 1st season was a really enjoyable experience.

Nochgo

2009-07-01, 11:40

Haak

2009-07-01, 13:36

I wasn't able to watch the Tomoyo chapter because it felt kinda weird. Even though Nagisa was the last person I wanted Tomoya to end up with, I had long since accepted the fact that Tomoya loved Nagisa, and watching episodes like this one where Tomoya is expressing his love for another girl is almost like watching him cheat on Nagisa. I just can't help it. It was rushed as hell just like everyone said, but I don't think that could've been helped really.

I don't know why I gave this a 10. That was an accident. I should've selected 7. In the end I still don't understand why Tomoya went out with Ryou in the first place.

Solafighter

2009-07-01, 13:43

Ouuukaaay~

Well with "FIN" at the end, i think this was the last official episode of CLANNAD or will there be some new one, coming?

I was laughing so hard, when you see, that its Kyou with Ryou cutted hair.. :heh:

Great episode.

Finaly i can see the ending, i always wanted.

KYOU WIN

:cool:

Dark Faith

2009-07-01, 14:12

Rushed, that's for sure.. But the ending minutes were heartwarming

littlegal100

2009-07-01, 14:16

It was an enjoyable episode. Although like what pretty much everyone stated this episode felt way too rushed, to the point that it felt awkward to watch the entire episode.

To be honest they didn't do Kyou's arc any justice by condensing it into 1 episode.

7/10

Justin Kim

2009-07-01, 14:20

It was an ok episode, but it should have been a double-episode feature. We can't help it though; this episode was released with the DVD, so I do not think it was aired.

mpt37

2009-07-01, 14:24

Not as good as the Tomoyo special as a stand alone episode, but still good. I never played the game but it looked like they included all the import scenes. However, the end scene with Kyou/Tomoya in the classroom kinda bugs me.

I'd read that Kyou cuts her hair at the end and Tomoya thinks he's talking to Ryou when he breaks up with her, but that scene came from no where. One second it looks like Tomoya is talking to himself then in the next shot Kyou is just standing there. Does that happen in the game or did they just have to cut it short because of the length?

Lastly, what does Kyoani have against kiss scenes. Why do they have to cut away every time it's about to happen? It seems like they absolutely refuse to animate that actual kiss it self.

They did the same thing in Kanon and Haruhi

Justin Kim

2009-07-01, 14:28

mpt37

2009-07-01, 14:36

mpt37, this probably was the only episode in the entire series to ever have such a scene. They don't really cut it, but rather I think that the kiss is not what matters, but the events that lead up towards the scene. I mean if you look at the environment and the conditions for each of the scenes; they are pretty climatic. Kyo probably does this to add more of the "bitter happy ending" kind of feeling. Romance does not always have to be expressed with kissing, it can simply be hugging or spending time with the person you love. (Coming to a mutual understanding, etc.).

I know what you mean, they did a great job on the scenes leading up the kiss (in this episode and their other animes). I think my post came out wrong, I wasn't trying to say that just because there's no kiss scene there's no romance, it just bugs me that Kyoani doesn't animate the kiss.

On another note, Kotomi/Nagisa?

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7184/kotomonagisa.jpg

ThoHell

2009-07-01, 14:57

On another note, Kotomi/Nagisa?

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7184/kotomonagisa.jpg

Oh dang, someone is paying close attention. I was thinking the other girls were/had to have appeared somewhere in the episode. Guess you found some.

velvet

2009-07-01, 15:06

Toki o Kizamu Uta and I almost faint from how much I miss this show.

So what do we have here? Moe spam? Okay.
Emo spam? I didn't recall the VNs rammed all the emoness at us at once.

It could be the time limitations though, oh well.

Youhei is surely cool, withstanding Kyou at such dangerously close range.
Not to mention words of wisdom.

No matter how rushed this has became, it did capture the arc's meaning.
An incoming pain, only avoidable by sacrificing other's happiness.
They knew it's coming, yet someone had to stay and take the pain, else everyone will have to suffer.
In the process of growing up, I guess everyone hurt other people...
Youhei's words was pretty clear, they saved the day. :heh:

And I don't care what you all think. Ryou is made of pure honey. Or sugar. Whichever is sweeter. :D

Oh and where's Torch?

willyvereb

2009-07-01, 17:13

Well...after watching the subs I feel the whole OVA better. Kyou not as much emo and weak in this episode as I thought without the subs. She luckily still remains the Kyou from the VN. To a watcher who didn't played the game(or Kyou route) it feels more rushed than for me, but oh well. Other shows making a whole season from a plot like that(or worse)!
The only things I missed from the OVA(not including the wish for another 22 minutes to make the story less rushed):-Tomoya's thoughts. It has a great part in understanding the situation, sometimes I wanted some talks to be replaced with Tomoya's inner thoughts.
-Kyou's comment about Ryou's future, she's actually found a boyfriend soon.
-Kyou's last sentence in the VN. "I grow my hair and make you love me more and more."-Or something similar.

Tak

2009-07-01, 17:26

The biggest problem I have with this episode is that it robbed Kyou of her energy, robbed Sunohara of his slyness, took several points from the VN as if in a random fashion (I would imagine so for those who never played the VN), cutting all the loose ends and then combine them into an OVA.

As for other girls appearing, well, in other VN routes, other girls do appear. But for some reason, when the OVAs were made, it would as if all the other girls disappeared.

- - - - -

Hmm, I somehow felt as if Tomoyo and Nagisa are like opposite faces on the same coin...

- Tak

ISighZ

2009-07-01, 17:33

I was expecting more...but o well.
I prefer Kyou with her long hair. She look A lot better with long hair!

gigaloki

2009-07-01, 17:35

"its because I love you, okazaki"

haha so sweet and heart felt nyoro~

Tak

2009-07-01, 17:48

I prefer Kyou with her long hair. She look A lot better with long hair!

Thats a problem there. A lot of non-VN players will be confused as to why Kyou cut her hair short. Then there is the last scene which I always had problem with, where Kyou asked if it is alright for Tomoya to pick her. This is where Kyou points were deducted for me. For crying out loud, have some bloody confidence in yourself. You are the class president, he is the delinquent, he should be asking if it is alright for you to stay with him not the other way around!

And don't be fooled by the picnic scene, Ryou can't cook.

Oh, did anyone notice what appears to be Tomoyo?

- Tak (This is giving me so much MF vibes its not funny)

DeX-kun

2009-07-01, 19:08

After watching is OAV, I completely agree with how rushed this episode felt. This episode would have benefited from having at least 15-20 more minutes. What was missing is the whole build up and development that was needed between the 3 but I guess we just have to settle for what we got.

For the Kyou fans, I think this should make everyone happy, I still felt that it was a good episode despite it's flaws in how much time should have been used. All in all, this completes one of the best overall series I've ever watched and I don't know if any other anime will be able to top this series on my list.

Even so, I just wish they gave us 1 more episode that covers the life of the Okazaki's (Tomoya, Nagisa and Ushio) :p

- Tak (This is giving me so much MF vibes its not funny)

Hmmm...how so? :heh:

touge-n00b

2009-07-01, 19:08

I dunno, I like to think Kyou questioning herself is her true nature, something she can only express when she's around Tomoya.

That point is also explored a little in the short story written about her as well (forgive me, I forgot the title of the light novel).

Texas84

2009-07-01, 19:33

Can't help it, I always get choked up when the OP plays. Plus it was just fun to be with the old gang again. And I am a long hair fan, but in this case, short hair is a win! So, what happened to Planetarian?!?!? ;)

Myssa Rei

2009-07-01, 20:45

People, don't feed the troll, please.

The OVA was... okay, I guess. My opinion of Kyou was pretty much set in stone the moment I finished her route in the VN (which is to say I didn't like her for being such a two-faced cow), and this extra did in no way change that view.

As for all the PDA, do recall that, of all the routes in the CLANNAD VN, Kyou's was the most Romance-centric. Kind of makes me sad though that KyoAni never showed us those kinds of interactions between Tomoya and Nagisa in the actual series, ESPECIALLY since, y'know, they're the married couple and all.

Tak

2009-07-01, 20:50

As for all the PDA, do recall that, of all the routes in the CLANNAD VN, Kyou's was the most Romance-centric. Kind of makes me sad though that KyoAni never showed us those kinds of interactions between Tomoya and Nagisa in the actual series, ESPECIALLY since, y'know, they're the married couple and all.

In the game, there wasn't much intimate scenes involving Nagisa and Tomoya as well. Call it a cultural scene. Understanding between each other is more important than constant romantic actions, at least that is the general point of view in Japan. That, and imo, some characters are for hugs & kisses, while others aren't, Nagisa is one of the latter. I am really fine the way they set her up. In fact, I'd feel a bit uneasy if Nagisa was portrayed otherwise.

On a side note, much like Clannad After, Tomoya and Tomoyo were also married in Tomoyo After. But they go beyond just kissing... see...

- Tak

kyosak

2009-07-01, 22:02

Yup, just as expected the whole episode felt so rushed and awkward... All the major scenes just got thrown out one after another and it basically skipped all the character development/Tomoya's narrative in between. Things like the confession scene were so abrupt that I don't think anyone can feel any emotion watching it, lol. IMO, the episode failed to convince the audience that Tomoya was meant to choose Kyou... Watching this episode felt like demanding a convincing story from a 5 page long picture book.

I wish I hadn't wasted my life waiting for this, lol. I think a 40 minute OVA would have done the arc much justice, but nope. :( Kyou arc deserved much more than what we got!

Archon_Wing

2009-07-01, 22:57

It's not a bad episode by itself, though as a part of Clannad it annoys me by sorta degenerating into the typical romance stuff that the show had largely avoided. The indecisive male lead and vague romantic melodrama moments are here >.< So he's an asshole to Ryou, and it's ok to be with his sister then. Yes, there was some vague talk about chasing your true feelings, but that just flew over my head. What?? Do they really hate Ryou that much?

The humor was nonexistent and everything was very rushed, but that's to be expected in such a short time. And like in the Tomoyo one, they kept the same OP which irked the hell out of me. I love both openings, but they probaly would have done better just not to have any. But, at least they didn't use Torch lol.

I also understand this is an alternate world, but Kyou seems unusually pathetic and desperate; she was almost insufferable til almost the end. Angsty, insecure, violent? Yes. But emo Kyou? :( One scene looked like she was about to go yandere and I thought I accidentally stumbled upon a nice boat, which would be uhh... diffrent. Tomoya's just kinda there. At least Ryou has more of a personality and seems the most sympathetic here. With this kind of story it may have been better off as a Ryou OVA, but hey it can't just be all about what I want. :) It was the same problem with the Tomoyo OVA. While I liked that one, I just got the feeling that it really wasn't unique to the series and had you made an original OVA with completely new characters, you'd have similar results. This is more true with this OVA. The characters are there in name only, and thus it's harder to care about this.

That being said, it's not all bad. The scene with short haired Kyou was well done and I knew right away why she did it even if I never played the game. And oh, that's like the first kiss in this series. It had a great romantic mood to it-- there was some real Clannad magic there. ;) The last part was entertaining and I felt help saved the OVA for me. Maybe.

All and all, it's a nice little brief what if sequence. I didn't really expect too much, but it did its work as a cliffnotes version. I'd like a better way to send off this series though. If this had been in between School Life and After Story, it would have fit better though. 6/10

Karlson

2009-07-02, 00:50

I don't feel the need to repeat what others have stated with the rushing so I will just say this... I was disheartened by the lack of impact from the break-up scene for the Ryou/Tomoya relationship. That moment in the VN was so very powerful both on a dramatic and emotional level; here I felt it was lacking considerably in comparison.

This OVA suffered for pretty much the same reasons that the latest episode FMA suffered from. They tried to cram too much into one episode while skipping some other scenes that bring the whole thing together at a natural pace.

That being said I still enjoyed this episode on its own for what its worth. Could it have been better? Absolutely. But I think Kyoani needed more time to do it right. I do give them props tho for the way they made Kyou look there in the final couple of scenes. I think she looks better with the hair cut to shoulder length like that than with the longer hair, so I guess that's one thing I give the nod for this version over the VN. :heh:

Hari Michiru

2009-07-02, 01:10

Yeah...I think the short hair scene seemed a bit random. (haven't played the VN yet, but I will someday!) Emo Kyou is nicely drawn though! =)

kyosak

2009-07-02, 02:43

Yeah...I think the short hair scene seemed a bit random. (haven't played the VN yet, but I will someday!) Emo Kyou is nicely drawn though! =)

Agree with you there, though it felt to me like almost all of the scenes were random... In the game there were more scenes and Tomoya narrative leading up to each event shown in the OVA so it all felt much more natural.

SSJiffy

2009-07-02, 02:57

It took them 20 minutes to visually represent what took me several hours to accomplish. Gah.

FlareKnight

2009-07-02, 03:00

Well I kind of expected it to turn out this way. I mean there was so much in this route that they had to condense into 20 minutes. All they could do was pick select scenes and jump quickly between them. Even the scenes themselves were abrupt. Of course it is better than nothing. Just something that would have required a few OVA episodes to really cover.

At least it reminded me of the good points in the actual route. There were some good times there. Some sad moments along the way of course, but overall worth it.

Overall the episode was rushed. But still glad I watched it and some parts were pretty nice.

raile

2009-07-02, 03:47

Just finished watching it and I gotta say, it didn't have quite an emotional impact like Tomoyo's episode. It felt rushed (I also had a problem with the transitions) and the art wasn't really at par but despite that, it was still nice to see more Kyou. ;)

typhonsentra

2009-07-02, 06:51

I noticed that even though this was supposed to be her story they purposely avoided having Tomoya showing her any affection after the confession. He said he liked her unconsciously the one time and hugged her when she cried before but after that in the epilogue section it was all her expressing her feelings to a brick wall. Weird.

Kyou's story is kinda hard to do though. You don't have to really establish her liking him as it's been explored so much in the other stories but the hurdle is finding a way for him to develop feelings for her and work out all her problems with her sister in 25 minutes which I guess isn't possible. Or the original scenario was just shitty.

Justin Kim

2009-07-02, 07:09

Tomoyo's episode by far exceeds this one. Maybe it is because it involved two girls instead of one. Although, yes, it was rushed at many parts considering they had to cram it in 20-21 minutes.

Tak

2009-07-02, 07:33

Yeah...I think the short hair scene seemed a bit random. (haven't played the VN yet, but I will someday!) Emo Kyou is nicely drawn though! =)

I knew the short hair scene would confuse a lot of people.

Kyou cut her hair and confronted Tomoya because partly she wanted to hear what Tomoya really had to say, partly because she was not sure what would happen if Kyou confronted Tomoya directly and partly because she wanted to know if Tomoya still had feelings for Ryou.

Unfortunately, this episode failed to bring out the impact of that scene. *Sigh*

- Tak

jillybutt

2009-07-02, 09:07

As for me, the kissing scenes surprised me so much that I wanted more kissing going on instead of the story or the characters' feelings. Hahahahaha...

DJLowrider

2009-07-02, 09:09

I hope there's room in the "this was a mixed bag" boat, 'cause I'm on board as well.

The rain scene was done pretty well.
A short-haired Kyou is fine too.
Youhei being the awesome wingman we all know he is.
About time we got some on-screen kissing, even if it was only seen from a distance.

22 minutes was in no way enough time to portray how convoluted this route was in the game.
No sign of the real camaraderie that exists between Tomoya and Kyou. Their chemistry is what makes them work as a couple.
The emotion of Tomoya's break up with Ryou was completely not there.
Kappei really got the shaft for the entire series. He may be a minor character, but he is critically important to the full story of the Fujibayashi sisters.

7/10 for me, if only because this at least satisfies my desire to see a TomoyaxKyou end. However, it got nowhere near the level of treatment Tomoyo's OVA got.

Starlight

2009-07-02, 11:24

8/10 from me, it's great to see Clannad again. The art was great in the OVA but like everyone else I thought it was a bit rushed and didn't have the impact of the VN.

Haak

2009-07-02, 11:46

Kappei really got the shaft for the entire series. He may be a minor character, but he is critically important to the full story of the Fujibayashi sisters.

Totally agree. He ought to have been introduced as a hope for Ryou at the end. I felt so sorry for Ryou.

Anyway, I think it would be really interesting to see a Nagisa chapter where Tomoya picked another girl. What would her life had been like without Tomoya?

Klashikari

2009-07-02, 12:00

DeX-kun

2009-07-02, 14:36

I'm unsure if it is because of my tastes or whatnot, but I felt the storytelling much more appealing than Tomoyo OVA.
Arguably Kyou OVA lack much more build up, because the focus and the interactions span for more events (and involve 3 persons anyway), but even so, I felt it more engaging and less forced than Tomoyo OVA (notably how I could empathize much easier with the Fujibayashi twins' anguish, in contrast with that problem with Tomoyo).

Ultimately, both incarnations really got the bare minimum of the most important scenes of their respective routes so it isn't anything surprising it comes to this.

Looking at it from that angle I guess you could say the story-telling was more appealing but then again, it could boil down to personal preferences. The Kyou chapter just had more drama packed into it so it depends on the person considering not everyone likes drama. Not to say that the Tomoyo chapter didn't have any drama but the issue that kept them apart didn't feel like it was such a big deal, at least to me.

Either way, I thought Ryou would become the girl that goes out of her way to make Tomoya love her but I was pleasantly surprised to see her understand in the end and let him go although I didn't like how they left her completely out of the break-up or at least how it was portrayed.

On a side note, the rain scene was executed really well, easily my favorite scene. Although I missed Kyou's energy and enthusiasm :heh:

I haven't mentioned it yet but I also gave this series a 7/10. ;)

Leo_Otaku

2009-07-02, 15:24

Was alright wasn't as good as the Tomoyo arc. But there were kiss scenes \^-^ NO KAPPEI WTF!!! >.> Even if they had him with Ryou instaed of some random friend would have been good u_u.

The cut hair scene didn't make any sense in that they did not have Tomoya say that he liked short hair. Which they should have shown in order for it to make sense.

Fushichou7

2009-07-02, 15:39

Kyou > All, IMO.

Tomoyo and Nagisa's arcs were just too...what's the word...they didn't feel right...

Freya

2009-07-02, 18:25

Just watched Tomoyo OVA and I have to say that was a bit sad. But I thought in the end they wouldn't end up together so it could still tie in that Tomoya is single and eventually gets with Nagisa.

The Kyou OVA was good and all but it definitely felt rushed. If it was divided into 2-3 eps then it could have been a lot better.

-Sho-

2009-07-02, 19:09

kyosak

2009-07-02, 19:30

I feared it'll end up like School Days lol but its Kyoani so maybe :p

Finally Kyou have her time with Tomoya . She's cute ^^ I prefer when she had long hair .
Poor Ryou but its the life . Fast episode but still pass .
Youhei : "I'd get both" AHAH it was great ^^
Next extra : Tomoya x Kotomi ? Tomoya x Fuko ?

I don't think we'll get any OVAs for Kotomi and Fuuko because the 1st season went through their routes pretty thoroughly. Kyou and Tomoyo needed an alternate world episode because their routes involved a more romantic theme that wouldn't work with Nagisa as the anime's main heroine.

Tak

2009-07-02, 19:54

Just watched Tomoyo OVA and I have to say that was a bit sad. But I thought in the end they wouldn't end up together so it could still tie in that Tomoya is single and eventually gets with Nagisa.

I don't understand this? Tomoyo x Tomoya did eventually end up together in the game, as well as the special feature OVA. The Tomoyo route is also followed by a game sequel.

- Tak

CapoExecutor

2009-07-02, 21:08

Great chapter. Now all that's left is Kotomi if they're up to making a chapter for her.

SaintessHeart

2009-07-02, 23:18

It is too rushed. I would rather want to settle for a siscon or Kyou x Kotomi episode anyway.

Archon_Wing

2009-07-03, 00:51

They should have had Nagisa appear and be with Ryou. :)

SaintessHeart

2009-07-03, 01:43

sammyboy08

2009-07-03, 03:39

Aww... they left out Tomoya's comments about doing naughty things with Kyou at the end :(

It was a good episode, but it felt a bit too rushed. I agree with having this route split into 2 OVAs.

darry

2009-07-03, 06:08

So we never got to see Nagisa & Tomoya kisses... but Kyou/Ryou did it in one Episode uh how should i say it

Im disappointed :(

musume_no_hoshi

2009-07-03, 10:35

I remeber 'watching' this arc on youtube with some unpolished translation. So I got some idea what to expect. Like everyone said, it's rushed, no doubt about that. But hey, I needed a box of tissue, so it's definately Clannad.

Dist

2009-07-03, 11:00

It was definitely too rushed, and couldn't capture the full feelings it had had in the game, but I just can't help give it a 10, because it is the only episode where Tomoyo ends up with Kyou >.<

That said, I am in despair due to thoughts of having watched the final episode of Clannad. Seriously, Clannad is one series I wish KyoAni kept milking on and on, cause Clannad is just so fat that it would still be healthy even if there were two more seasons of it.

Only if they were spinoffs with the other girls. Kyou and Tomoyo for example. Nagisa sux, no more of her plox. Of course, there won't be third season, but if there were, the chances that I'd watch more of Nagisa are close to zero.

I gave the ep 10 because I can't say it felt rushed since I didn't play the game. Though I do think the episode should have been a bit longer than this :P

Change of Pace

2009-07-03, 14:53

KyoAni earns major FAIL points for making an OVA have two kiss scenes, after having never given the main ship - the Nagisa/Tomoya part that dominated the entirety of the second season - even ONE moment of intimacy. Goddammit, to hell with them and their beautiful animation.

...Hey wait, I'm seeing a recurring trend here. In S1, the only "real" fanservice we got was Kyou in the storeroom, albeit censored. After S2, the only kisses we got were in Kyou's OVA.

...Biased animators. :<

And on an unrelated tangent, girls on Clannad-verse are slow on the uptake. Sunohara's got way more sense than Okazaki and would be a riot to be with. I'd tap that.

DeX-kun

2009-07-03, 14:54

Only if they were spinoffs with the other girls. Kyou and Tomoyo for example. Nagisa sux, no more of her plox. Of course, there won't be third season, but if there were, the chances that I'd watch more of Nagisa are close to zero.

I gave the ep 10 because I can't say it felt rushed since I didn't play the game. Though I do think the episode should have been a bit longer than this :P

*Ahem* You aren't the only person in this forum. I would appreciate it if you could keep character bashing out of this considering Nagisa is my favorite female heroine and I'm pretty sure there are others that feel the same.

As for giving this a 10, in my opinion, it's far from it. I haven't played the game either but it still felt rushed, it didn't have the same impact as the regular season episodes and Kyou seemed to be out of character in how she acted. We barely got to see the complete package of a Tsundere, we only got half :heh:

Still, I don't believe that it's necessary to play the game for it to feel rushed, not matter how you look at it, everything went by too quickly. Aside from all the flaws, it was still a decent episode but it wasn't on par with the overall series, at least in my opinion.

alu546

2009-07-03, 15:11

Kyou happens to be my favorite character in the Clannad series, and I have played her route a few times in the game.

Truthfully, the kyou arc deserved its on multipart OVA, as THE scenes were cropped to fit the available time frame and werent as good because of it. Also, the atmosphere of the Kyou arc wasnt captured. The Kyou x Tomoya almost kissing scene was one of THE scenes mentioned, and had a ton of buildup, the episode had to rush it though. There were also alot other scenes that were chunked as a result, and at the end were Kyou disguises as Ryou had potential to heavily dramatic but wasnt near the kind of thing it was for Tomoyo in her story(and Kyou had a dramatic ending like hers too, it just wasnt in the snow or classroom). Though, I will give them credit for doing the Rain scene properly.

In the end though, it is alot better than the nothing we could have gotten. One thing never answered in the game or anime, and something I always wanted to know, was their history .And just how Tomoya came to address her informally.

All in all though, it was a decent episode for what it was, I can only hope Kyou gets some third party spinoffs because of this.

As for giving this a 10, in my opinion, it's far from it. I haven't played the game either but it still felt rushed, it didn't have the same impact as the regular season episodes and Kyou seemed to be out of character in how she acted. We barely got to see the complete package of a Tsundere, we only got half

Still, I don't believe that it's necessary to play the game for it to feel rushed, not matter how you look at it, everything went by too quickly. Aside from all the flaws, it was still a decent episode but it wasn't on par with the overall series, at least in my opinion.

This is also correct. I dont believe that anyone should have to play a game to understand the anime(which is why I didnt like the ending to the overalseries) but I guess I should clarify a few things since some are confused.

In the game, after hearing that Kyou and Tomoya kissed, Ryou began acting more and more outgoing like her sister. She WAS out of character, but it was the point. She also started to become clingy. Kyou didnt seem out of character for the most part. Sadly, the scenes where she attempts to murder Tomoya were omitted, so I guess she didnt seem as Tsundere as she normally is.

But yes, again it was hella rushed. I wouldnt give it a ten at all. I will only say that if they had done it justice, you might think it was awesome.

Archon_Wing

2009-07-03, 16:19

Sadly, the scenes where she attempts to murder Tomoya were omitted

Wait seriously? Maybe those "nice boat" feelings were closer than I thought. Aww...

Kyero Fox

2009-07-03, 16:56

alu546

2009-07-03, 17:14

what? she tried to kill Tomoya? when the hell was this?

I loved it, I didnt get close to cryin like i did with TomoxTomo episode but it was good.

oh, and when Tomoya was talkin towards the end I knew it was Kyou :heh: somethin in my head was like "She totally cut her hair"

Lets just say she has crazier book throwing skillls than anyone could have thought. If not for Tomoya's spider sense regarding her, he would be dead.

I think the size, distance, and crater left behind by one of Kyou's throws (a chinese dictionary i believe) scared the pants off Tomoya.

(but by attempted to murder, she didnt go crazy yandere or anything, she was just Kyou)

Kyero Fox

2009-07-03, 19:56

oh, figures you guys overexagerated her Book Shiriken :heh: she just didnt want him to get too into her sister because she wanted him her self :heh: its pretty obvious.

therationalpi

2009-07-03, 20:12

alu546

2009-07-03, 20:37

Somnus

2009-07-03, 21:03

So I'll start off by jumping on the "it felt rushed" boat...but everyone pretty much felt that in one way or another.
Though now that that's out of the way I have to say I still really liked it, especially cause I'm a fan of Kyou (she was my favorite until about 2 hours ago, keep reading to find out why). I do feel bad about Ryou though, even if I agree with Youhei when he said that they don't make a very good match. While on the topic I need to say this, Sunohara = Best. Wingman. Ever. Watching the guy never gets old.

Now to be a little more off-topic. Watching this got me curious and made me watch the Tomoyo OVA after. It was effing brilliant. Hence why she went from "side character" in my eyes to No. 1. Here's hoping the rumors I read here are true and they do a movie/OVA/season about her After Story, since I'd really like to see that.

Tak

2009-07-04, 01:12

Now to be a little more off-topic. Watching this got me curious and made me watch the Tomoyo OVA after. It was effing brilliant. Hence why she went from "side character" in my eyes to No. 1. Here's hoping the rumors I read here are true and they do a movie/OVA/season about her After Story, since I'd really like to see that.

Tomoyo is really unlike all the other girls isn't she? She is always front and center and has no trouble stating her feelings if it was deemed worth her effort.

To her, there is no confusion, only clarity. There are no zig-zags, only a path forward. Girls like that are just hard to find ;)

- Tak

Kagedanji

2009-07-04, 01:53

Talking about that flirtatious Ryou, where is Kappei?

They should have splitted this OVA into 2 parts and make this part 2. But even with that, it is not enough to put everything in. We missed out plenty of stuff that would make this less soppy and more hilarious.

Seriously. I demand Extra Episode (Kappei Chapter). Then we'll have covered all of the routes' plots and have ended on a happier note. The note where a shota entertains us, then marries Ryou.

thundrakkon

2009-07-04, 02:04

outcast_within

2009-07-04, 07:24

I knew the short hair scene would confuse a lot of people.

Kyou cut her hair and confronted Tomoya because partly she wanted to hear what Tomoya really had to say, partly because she was not sure what would happen if Kyou confronted Tomoya directly and partly because she wanted to know if Tomoya still had feelings for Ryou.

Unfortunately, this episode failed to bring out the impact of that scene. *Sigh*

- Tak

aaah i was searching for this

Vorenus

2009-07-04, 09:30

Well, as everyone said, there are some issues with this OVA. I expected something at least as moving as the Tomoyo's one but it was very far from that.

First, this episode was too focused on romance. I know this is the game arc that is like that, but personally, I didn't play the VN a lot and Clannad as a series avoided to fall into the hardcore harem/romance genre, so this change of direction feels very different than the usual Clannad anime at first.

While some romance was obviously involved in the actual series (including with the Fujibayashi twins: Tennis game anyone?), it was always offering us something different, a story, emotions, drama and well delivered scenes, and little of this was there.
While the Tomoyo's OVA was romantic, it managed to remain on par with both Clannad seasons regarding the points above. Tomoyo's OVA also had more themes other than romance... like the difference in status of the two members of the couple (delinquent and very promising student) and future in the society, etc. Here, we just have two sisters in love with the same guy, and it feels a bit empty... at least for a series at the level of Clannad who used us to so much more.

Tomoya also doesn't really feel like he is himself: he is a rather honest boy who is always frank and direct to the others, even if it can hurt their feelings, and from my point of view, he would never date Ryou if he had not any feeling for her, saying stuff like "I'll get to know you later"... It would work out for School Days' Makoto, but for him, it just felt way out of character...

Ryou looked more decisive, but in the end, couldn't do anything more than leave the way free for her older sister... In the series she was a minor side-character and even on this OVA which is focused on the Fujibayashi twins, she still feels that way.

Kyou seemed closer to the personality of her younger sister, which doesn't necessarily suit her. I am not particularly fond of tsunderes but it was a trait of her character which was almost non-existent here.

I obviously understand it is "another world", but the personality of the characters felt too bent here... they were behaving so out of their characters that it felt hardly believable... maybe one of the reasons why I didn't get into the episode.

In the end, it feels like I watched some romance anime with characters who looked like those in Clannad, but I can't say I have been watching a Clannad episode: Clannad is good when it is either funny or sad, and there was none of it here. Maybe I'm a bit harsh here... but I really expected this OVA and turned out to be quite disappointed with it...

kk2extreme

2009-07-04, 14:04

now all we need is kotomi and fuko ova, then life is complete :D

Kagedanji

2009-07-04, 14:35

The Tomoyo and Fujibayashi OVAs were made because the anime never showed much of their game paths. We already got to see the Kotomi and Fuko paths; their endings were shown. So, OVAs of those two aren't needed as much.

However, we need a Kappei OVA.

OceanBlue

2009-07-04, 14:52

Ultimately, in my opinion, this episode failed to properly translate the arc. The tension is mostly lost. Without the time needed to show the failing relationship of Ryou and Tomoya, and the emotional investment Ryou has in it, the story falls flat.

If you really want to enjoy this arc, go buy the VN. I own a copy of it, and there's a pretty good translation patch floating around that covers this arc completely.
I partially agree with this.

It also suffered from rushing important scenes and attempting to explain why they were important afterwards, but it didn't exactly flow together and attempting to explain it afterwards doesn't give the same impact. But yeah, everyone has said that, so...

Basically, without the emotional investment in all of the characters [the lack of internal monologues for Tomoya makes it difficult to understand the struggling he's going through], the story falls flat. That's what I enjoyed in the VN.

That said, seeing it animated was still nice. Kyou was so ridiculously cute at the end. Short hair is fine too.

Isekaijin

2009-07-04, 15:16

Too fast! Way too fast!

It should have been at least 2 chapters...

But this really ends Clannad... A great VN and a great anime, damn I'm gonna miss it.

therationalpi

2009-07-04, 17:24

Too fast! Way too fast!

It should have been at least 2 chapters...

But this really ends Clannad... A great VN and a great anime, damn I'm gonna miss it.Let's just hope the Kyoto Animation continues to have a good relationship with Key. I'd love to see a Planetarian OVA, a Tomoyo After adaptation, or Little Busters come out of this powerhouse duo.

To stay on the topic of this episode. Am I the only one who felt inspired to track down my copy Clannad and replay the Kyou arc in it's entirety?

Arkuatic

2009-07-04, 20:09

Kyou is prob my choice of pick out of the harem and i kinda enjoyed how they make picking the girl out of the harem a heart easing watch by not implementing rivals and just making it seem like a one sided love(though in this case it was between sisters). I'm guessing some dislike the content because it was more dramatic throughout than a romantic like in the tomoya chapter. Still i'd like to see more of kyou.

touge-n00b

2009-07-04, 22:06

Let's just hope the Kyoto Animation continues to have a good relationship with Key. I'd love to see a Planetarian OVA, a Tomoyo After adaptation, or Little Busters come out of this powerhouse duo.

To stay on the topic of this episode. Am I the only one who felt inspired to track down my copy Clannad and replay the Kyou arc in it's entirety?

Actually I've been playing though with Ryou being the choice instead of Kyou. I've always wondered what the "bad end" was like.

Zwei

2009-07-05, 00:58

This OVA kinda reminded me of School Days and Rumbling Hearts for some reason.

touge-n00b

2009-07-05, 01:35

This OVA kinda reminded me of School Days and Rumbling Hearts for some reason.

Except Tomoya's head doesn't end up in a bag, or Kyou sleeps with Sunohara out of anger? :heh:

Kagedanji

2009-07-05, 03:01

The latter would've made this episode much more worthwhile.

kim8268

2009-07-05, 06:42

I just wanna say "Lucky Bastard"
I dont know If somebody Post this but I like to confirm "Is the Twins Special to Kyo Ani?"
Of all the clannad series the twins got the kissing scence in front of the camera
I did not see nagisa or tomoyo kissed tomaya in thier arc
kinda makes me wonder about this arc

Tak

2009-07-05, 11:19

*Sigh*

Is a kiss really that important? Some characters are made for kissing, some aren't. Nagisa belongs to the latter group in my opinion. Moreover, do we ever doubt Nagisa and Tomoya's relationship? No? Ok then.

Then again, it is also a culture thing. Please understand that kissing is not as emphasized in East Asian culture, although it is still considered a bonus.

- Tak

Ascaloth

2009-07-05, 13:07

Kyou Chapter article is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD ~After Story~, Another World (Kyou Chapter) (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1447)

This OVA pretty much seems to be to Kyou fans what Ushio is to Master Chibi, and little else. 6/10.

qwertyuiopz

2009-07-05, 13:52

bleh i didnt like it when she cut her hair
and shoulda ended like school days if it started like it LOLOLOL

although it did remind me why clannad is my favourite after not seeing it for a couple of months
9 :)

Bri

2009-07-05, 14:37

Mecha_Trueno

2009-07-05, 16:07

I still can't get over the idea of Kyou speaking keigo (during her confession) to Tomoya in a non-sarcastic way:D
The concept of it is just too funny:heh:

Tak

2009-07-05, 22:42

Tomoyo angle offers us drama from a love that society won't accept. Nagisa vulnerabilty and the contrast between her and Tomoyas family fuel two seasons worth of storytelling, but what drama can Kyou offer? The only issue between her and Tomoya would be her Ryou's feelings. This could have worked given more time.

No, I don't quite think so. Although the special OVA did not emphasis, do not forget that while Kyou may not be like Tomoyo, the school council president, Kyou herself is actually a class president herself. While she may be behind in Tomoyo in terms of status, she is still light years ahead of Tomoya in terms of hierarchy. Thus, for that reason, her relationship with Tomoya was also not scrutiny free.

Just because the game spent less time talking about the social conditions regarding Kyou and Tomoya's relationship does not mean they don't exist. As far as Kyou challenging Tomoya in a test of wits, both Nagisa and Tomoyo have proven to be just as capable, not to mention the latter two challenged not only Tomoya's wit, but forced Tomoya to engage in his inner demons as well.

Moreover, as far as similarities go, Tomoyo and Nagisa both raise the issue of family in their respective route. Kyou on the other hand, somehow lacked from it.

- Tak

ShimatheKat

2009-07-06, 01:10

...
Moreover, as far as similarities go, Tomoyo and Nagisa both raise the issue of family in their respective route. Kyou on the other hand, somehow lacked from it.

- Tak

And it's CLANNAD, for heaven's sake - CLANNAD = Family. Now you know why.

sayde

2009-07-06, 01:27

I have not played the game, so as a stand-alone OVA, I felt this was an excellent episode. It had a lot of drama and drew me in emotionally. I had no expectations, but the results were very satisfactory. The had so much material in this one episode that I almost blew up from the emotional roller-coaster.

As always, Clannad has delivered, and I love KyoAni for doing this. I definitely see Kyou in a different light now, instead of canon fodder for Nagisa.

I agree with every last part of this post. It summarizes my feelings about this OVA perfectly and I couldn't have worded it any better myself. I was literally doing this :nod: throughout the duration of the episode.
I really love these OVA's. But to be honest, I think a lot of that might come down to the fact that I gain a lot of pleasure out of seeing scenarios featuring the main male protagonist pair up with anyone but than the main female protagonist. Having said that, I'd absolutely LOVE it if Kyo-ani made a longer project out of these scenarios by going through with a Tomoyo After adaption. Because one episode just isn't nearly enough IMO.

willyvereb

2009-07-06, 01:40

I would say Kyou and Tomoya are the most natural match up in Clannad (though not my favourite). They interact easily and are pretty equally matched in terms of wits. I guess that is the problem of this OVA, a lack of conflict between these two.

Tomoyo angle offers us drama from a love that society won't accept. Nagisa vulnerabilty and the contrast between her and Tomoyas family fuel two seasons worth of storytelling, but what drama can Kyou offer? The only issue between her and Tomoya would be her Ryou's feelings. This could have worked given more time.

The whole Ryou angle falls flat in this OVA as Tomoya has to act way to much out of character to make the boyfriend/girl friend thing work. I can see him take pity on her and be her friend, but making him date her was unneccesary. End result, Kyou and Tomoya work too good together and their story can be told in 5 mins. Still enjoyable for what it is and it's nice to finally see a kiss in Clannad.

It's not that. If Tomoya's interested in girls as any healthy boy and he's single it's why strange from him to accept Ryou's confession? He never had a girlfriend and Ryou's far from ugly.
Kyou-Ryou part has the most typical romance-drama thing, it's sure. The other thing that bothered me is we haven't seen father Fujibayashi or the mother. I think they most probably don't know about either Ryou and Tomoya's relationship or the later Kyou-Tomoya one. Your daughter being a girlfriend of a deliquent isn't a good thing. Not to mention that it can't be a conciedence that both girls became class represantitives. Their parents must be strict and probably overly protective.
I think they have quite a bit of hardships on the road, but maybe it's too obvious they'll overcome them. That's why they didn't show us that(both in VN and in the OVA). Or the writers were just too lazy(as some sources suggests).

Ithekro

2009-07-06, 01:48

Yet even through all of this...I still prefer Nagisa. Something about her giggle and mannerisms.

DeX-kun

2009-07-06, 01:56

Yet even through all of this...I still prefer Nagisa. Something about her giggle and mannerisms.

:heh: At first I found that giggle kind of weird but as the show progressed, it really grew on me. Speaking of mannerisms, the way she apologized in the baseball game after she became the pitcher was just too much for me :p Kawaii :D Nagisa is my #1 heroine for the way she ran the relationship ;)

Oh yeah <_< The OAV :D Umm...Kyou just felt out of character in this one so it didn't really feel like her. A nice build up would have been nice before she started getting all depressed but other then that, it was a nice episode.

428

2009-07-06, 06:12

I agree with every last part of this post. It summarizes my feelings about this OVA perfectly and I couldn't have worded it any better myself. I was literally doing this :nod: throughout the duration of the episode.
I really love these OVA's. But to be honest, I think a lot of that might come down to the fact that I gain a lot of pleasure out of seeing scenarios featuring the main male protagonist pair up with anyone but than the main female protagonist. Having said that, I'd absolutely LOVE it if Kyo-ani made a longer project out of these scenarios by going through with a Tomoyo After adaption. Because one episode just isn't nearly enough IMO.

I'm sorry, but can you imagine the budget spread right now?
They had to do/need to do within this season:

1. K-on
2. Haruhi-chan + Nyoron-chan
3. CLANNAD AS
4. The current Haruhi
5. (Likely) Little Busters!
6. (Possible) Planetarian

It's a thinly spread one. So, I think that's pretty out of the way.

:
Oh yeah <_< The OAV :D Umm...Kyou just felt out of character in this one so it didn't really feel like her. A nice build up would have been nice before she started getting all depressed but other then that, it was a nice episode.

Yeah, OOC was the word. :heh:

touge-n00b

2009-07-06, 07:33

I'm sorry, but can you imagine the budget spread right now?
They had to do/need to do within this season:

1. K-on
2. Haruhi-chan + Nyoron-chan
3. CLANNAD AS
4. (Likely) Little Busters!
5. (Possible) Planetarian

It's a thinly spread one. So, I think that's pretty out of the way.

Technically, the new Haruhi would fall into this as well (Bamboo Lead Rhapsody anyway)

428

2009-07-06, 07:36

Technically, the new Haruhi would fall into this as well (Bamboo Lead Rhapsody anyway)
OK fixed. :heh:

Bri

2009-07-06, 09:10

No, I don't quite think so. Although the special OVA did not emphasis, do not forget that while Kyou may not be like Tomoyo, the school council president, Kyou herself is actually a class president herself. While she may be behind in Tomoyo in terms of status, she is still light years ahead of Tomoya in terms of hierarchy. Thus, for that reason, her relationship with Tomoya was also not scrutiny free.

Just because the game spent less time talking about the social conditions regarding Kyou and Tomoya's relationship does not mean they don't exist. As far as Kyou challenging Tomoya in a test of wits, both Nagisa and Tomoyo have proven to be just as capable, not to mention the latter two challenged not only Tomoya's wit, but forced Tomoya to engage in his inner demons as well. [...]

- Tak

I'm not refering to the social status but the price of the relationship. Tomoyo is a high potential student and is expected to go to a top college/university. Tomoya is considered a liability for her future carreer by fellow students and teachers. Staying together will be costly for Tamoyo and makes Tamoya feel guilty.

Kyou has no such academic ambitions, she will go to a profesional school in the same town. Given her disregard for convention in showing public affection to Tomoya, she doesn't really care what other people think, making the price for her to be with Tomoya far less costly and therfore less dramatic.

Nagisa and Tomoyo have very strong personalities but are not as verbal as either Kyou or Tomoya. When Tomoya jabs Nagisa or Tomoyo they go into vulnerable mode, Kyou just returns it or gets agressive. Kyou's character lends itself better for comedy scenes instead of drama.

It's not that. If Tomoya's interested in girls as any healthy boy and he's single it's why strange from him to accept Ryou's confession? He never had a girlfriend and Ryou's far from ugly.
Kyou-Ryou part has the most typical romance-drama thing, it's sure. The other thing that bothered me is we haven't seen father Fujibayashi or the mother. I think they most probably don't know about either Ryou and Tomoya's relationship or the later Kyou-Tomoya one.[...]

Clannad is not a normal harem anime, Tomoya doesn't act like the typical clueless lead male. The meek acceptance of lack of conversation between the him and Ryou is unlike the way the character has been portrayed in the rest of the series. The parents are no issue as they have never been shown.

willyvereb

2009-07-06, 11:39

It's not like Ryou is an unknown girl. Actually he knows her for a while and recently she's being around him a lot. Besides, Tomoyais a normal high school boy even if he has a somewhat screwed up family. And to just remind you: the "typical" harem protagonists arent normal high schoolers, but practiculary more like the ones labeled as "losers".
About the lack of drama: probably you're right. Tomoya and Kyou is really well matched and a class rep going out with a deliquent not as a big deal as a SCP. Not to mention the girl in question is Kyou who's a rather infamous bully. The only problem they could face a sudden accident or the rejection of their relationship by her parents.
Kyou's extremely weak against the desires of the ones she likes/loves

Ithekro

2009-07-06, 12:04

Especially since Kyou is not his class rep....Ryou is.

touge-n00b

2009-07-06, 16:39

Especially since Kyou is not his class rep....Ryou is.

But she WAS in second year, IIRC.

willyvereb

2009-07-06, 16:49

And she is in her own class. Perhaps Kyou's infamous as a bully so her being with Tomoya not so stunning as other class rep(like Ryou).

Tak

2009-07-06, 18:51

I'm not refering to the social status but the price of the relationship. Tomoyo is a high potential student and is expected to go to a top college/university. Tomoya is considered a liability for her future carreer by fellow students and teachers. Staying together will be costly for Tamoyo and makes Tamoya feel guilty.

Kyou is a very high potential student as well, and a person of her status in Japan is often expected to go to a top college university. Please note that she is a class president, while it may not be as prestigious as a SCP, class presidents in Japan are usually expected to succeed and not expected to hang around with delinquents. The same social stigma exists for both cases.

Besides, the relationship of Tomoyo and Tomoya was tested, and eventually survived despite the pressure of an entire school weighing upon them. Kyou has yet to receive even a fraction of that pressure.

Kyou has no such academic ambitions, she will go to a profesional school in the same town. Given her disregard for convention in showing public affection to Tomoya, she doesn't really care what other people think, making the price for her to be with Tomoya far less costly and therfore less dramatic.

And since when did Tomoyo harbor any academic ambition besides becoming SCP? Her future plans were expected of her by her peers and teachers, but not by her own desires. She wanted to be SCP primarily because she wanted to save the cherry blossoms that symbolized the reunification of her family.

Furthermore, you stated that Kyou didn't care what other people think, but if Kyou did not care, Tomoyo cared even less. Tomoyo simply did not give a rats bottom about what other students, even members of the student council think of Tomoya. In fact, it could be argued that Tomoyo is even more publicly affectionate towards Tomoya than Kyou.

Nagisa and Tomoyo have very strong personalities but are not as verbal as either Kyou or Tomoya. When Tomoya jabs Nagisa or Tomoyo they go into vulnerable mode, Kyou just returns it or gets agressive. Kyou's character lends itself better for comedy scenes instead of drama.

Comedy does not good relationship make.

Nagisa and Tomoyo proved to be just as capable of jabbing Tomoya back, but through more subtle means. Never mind the fact that both Nagisa and Tomoyo can make a puppy out of Tomoya when necessary (Kyou can never do that). Moreover, as I mentioned earlier, Nagisa and Tomoyo are capable of engaging Tomoya's inner demons. Kyou on the other hand, is unable to do so, or have not done so. We don't know if she ever will, but from the looks of things, I cannot exactly fabricate a possibility of that ever happening.

And one wonders what Kyou would feel towards Tomoya's father? Moreover, what would Kyou's family feel about Tomoya?

Now, make no mistake, Kyou is one of my favorite pairings 2nd only to Tomoyo's, but she still has ways to go.

- Tak

Bri

2009-07-06, 20:36

[...] The same social stigma exists for both cases.

Besides, the relationship of Tomoyo and Tomoya was tested, and eventually survived despite the pressure of an entire school weighing upon them. Kyou has yet to receive even a fraction of that pressure.

It may exist for both but it is only relevant in the Tomoyo arc. Tomoya is affected by pressures on Tomoyo and himself in the Tomoyo OVA. Social pressure is the key theme in the Tomoyo OVA while the Kyou OVA centers on the sister angle. And as you say Kyou is never shown to face any kind of social presure at all, possibly due to her bully status.

And since when did Tomoyo harbor any academic ambition besides becoming SCP? Her future plans were expected of her by her peers and teachers, but not by her own desires. She wanted to be SCP primarily because she wanted to save the cherry blossoms that symbolized the reunification of her family.

Tomoya suffers from the pressure. He feels like a burden on Tomoyo, whether she has real academic ambitions or not. Off course their relationship pulls through but not being Tomoyo's equal fuels the drama.

Nagisa and Tomoyo proved to be just as capable of jabbing Tomoya back, but through more subtle means. Never mind the fact that both Nagisa and Tomoyo can make a puppy out of Tomoya when necessary (Kyou can never do that). Moreover, as I mentioned earlier, Nagisa and Tomoyo are capable of engaging Tomoya's inner demons. Kyou on the other hand, is unable to do so, or have not done so. We don't know if she ever will, but from the looks of things, I cannot exactly fabricate a possibility of that ever happening.

Which only strengthens my point that there is no potential for drama between Kyou and Tomoya. Kyou can't turn Tomoya in a puppy and Tomoya will not show any inner torment. Hence the writers look for an external source of drama in the form of Ryou.

And one wonders what Kyou would feel towards Tomoya's father? Moreover, what would Kyou's family feel about Tomoya?
- Tak

Irrelevant for either OVA, neither girls parents have commented on Tomoya.

Now, make no mistake, Kyou is one of my favorite pairings 2nd only to Tomoyo's, but she still has ways to go.

- Tak

My point seems to be unclear. I only argued that Tomoyo's OVA is more dramatic (and better) then Kyou's. Mainly on the ground that there is little potential conflict between Kyou and Tomoyo. I am not saying Kyou is a better partner, nor do I have a particular favourite amongst the girls. It is just the two personalities are very equally matched and their relationship lacks depth, this makes it hard for the writers to find any ground for drama. Which resulted in an external source for drama in the form of Ryou. Unfortunalty to make this angle work the writers were forced to have Tomoya act out of character. Hurting the OVA.

As for my favourite pairing, that's easy: Akio and Sanae.

willyvereb

2009-07-06, 22:49

Kyou is a very high potential student as well, and a person of her status in Japan is often expected to go to a top college university. Please note that she is a class president, while it may not be as prestigious as a SCP, class presidents in Japan are usually expected to succeed and not expected to hang around with delinquents. The same social stigma exists for both cases.

Besides, the relationship of Tomoyo and Tomoya was tested, and eventually survived despite the pressure of an entire school weighing upon them. Kyou has yet to receive even a fraction of that pressure.

Furthermore, you stated that Kyou didn't care what other people think, but if Kyou did not care, Tomoyo cared even less. Tomoyo simply did not give a rats bottom about what other students, even members of the student council think of Tomoya. In fact, it could be argued that Tomoyo is even more publicly affectionate towards Tomoya than Kyou.

Nagisa and Tomoyo proved to be just as capable of jabbing Tomoya back, but through more subtle means. Never mind the fact that both Nagisa and Tomoyo can make a puppy out of Tomoya when necessary (Kyou can never do that). Moreover, as I mentioned earlier, Nagisa and Tomoyo are capable of engaging Tomoya's inner demons. Kyou on the other hand, is unable to do so, or have not done so. We don't know if she ever will, but from the looks of things, I cannot exactly fabricate a possibility of that ever happening.

And one wonders what Kyou would feel towards Tomoya's father? Moreover, what would Kyou's family feel about Tomoya?

Now, make no mistake, Kyou is one of my favorite pairings 2nd only to Tomoyo's, but she still has ways to go.

- Tak

That's why I felt the Kyou route somewhat anticlimatic. They weren't tested in a way like the Nagisa-Tomoya or the Tomoyo one.
But that's why I think it's prejustice to think she's incapable to face and solve Tomoya's inner demons. Not to mention in Nagisa's case the plot helped more to Tomoya than Nagisa(yes, she certainly was a big help, but without Tomoya living in the world where she died previously the whole thing would've remained for a longer peroid).
P.S:
I've read a fanfic about a Kyou-Tomoya AS bad end for example. It has the same reasoning behind it, that only Nagisa and Tomoyo can save Tomoya.
Well, the writer prefered the Kyou-Youhei relationship.

Narzia

2009-07-06, 23:29

One of the reasons i like the Tomoya x Kyou couple is because i want to see how they look together, literally since i like Kyous design (especially her hair).

First, they do Nagisas route. Well i'm fine with Nagisa but can i have some Kyou now?
They do Tomoyos route... Ugh.. well i'm not a big fan of Tomoyo but that's nice i guess.. now give me some Kyou!

And now when they finally do Kyou they... cut her hair.... it feels like all the cosmical powers in the universe are working against me. :/

Ithekro

2009-07-07, 01:23

Aside from Kyou's attempt to move rumors away from her kissing Tomoya (likely to protect Ryou more than Tomoya or herself), I seriously doubt anyone is going to be able to pressure Kyou in her relationship with Tomoya. Her being a Class President and the social standing may come up, but I get the impression that Kyou is feared at their school. More so than Tomoyo. Tomoyo at least doesn't bully people even if she can beat up every delinquant the school has and then some.

Kyou is known for suddenly appearing in other classrooms or just about anywhere else on campus if her sister is even hinted at being in danger...usually proceeded by a flying dictionary. I don't think anyone is going to have the courage to directly pressure her. Rumors, yes, direct confrontation, no.

One wonders if in this timeline if Kyou has met Kotomi and if Ryou and Kyou routinely go out shopping with her like they did in the Nagisa timeline. One assumes that Tomoya is not involved in the theater club, though I suppose it is still possible that Nagisa is still active with help from Tomoya before deciding to date Ryou, which would mean that they may have had there Fuuko encounters and know of Tomoyo. This would also mean that Nagisa "confessed" to Ryou first, giving Ryou a fallback, with or without Kappei. Of course I'm basing that off Ryou's reaction to Nagisa and her reaction to the "Kyou is Bi" incident. Makes one think that Ryou is the one that is bi.

Tak

2009-07-07, 01:58

Aside from Kyou's attempt to move rumors away from her kissing Tomoya (likely to protect Ryou more than Tomoya or herself), I seriously doubt anyone is going to be able to pressure Kyou in her relationship with Tomoya. Her being a Class President and the social standing may come up, but I get the impression that Kyou is feared at their school. More so than Tomoyo. Tomoyo at least doesn't bully people even if she can beat up every delinquant the school has and then some.

Kyou's fear factor has little to do with what reality has in stores should their relationship come under challenge by society. If the students cannot pressure them (which in the game, they certainly did, to a degree), the teachers definitely will. Moreover, while Kyou is definitely scary in the anime, she is far less so in the game.

Although the real problem here is with her particular route. As soon as Tomoya and Kyou became lovers, the story ends. We are not provided further information similar to what Nagisa and Tomoyo's respective route have given us. Although one thing is for certain, while Tomoyo and Nagisa engaged Tomoya's inner demons, particularly on the issue of family (which is the main theme of the series, really), Kyou has done little of the sort. So whats next? We don't know. We can only guess.

- Tak

TubZzz

2009-07-07, 05:02

damn that OVA was good... want/need more in some form or another...ahhh i need more Clannad :P

DeX-kun

2009-07-07, 12:00

damn that OVA was good... want/need more in some form or another...ahhh i need more Clannad :P

Yeah, it took me a while to get over my Clannad addiction, had to go to rehab and everything :( Either way, I think I can control myself pretty well now :heh:

*goes off to re-watch Clannad*

Archon_Wing

2009-07-07, 17:24

*Goes off to watch that Nagisa/Ryou scene again* :heh: I don't know, it still cracks me up; I want an OVA on that! :D That particular scene was one I stumbled upon Youtube and made me watch the series which I had previously avoided as I usually don't like romance/harem stuff very much. It's also why I have a soft spot for Ryou.

Anyhow, if they wanted more Clannad, the easiest would a Kotomi OVA, since the anime has already set everything up for us. A condensed retelling wouldn't seem to out of place. But I'd really prefer something more lighthearted; the drama has been quite overwhelming from this series in the later parts. That's not a bad thing, of course but maybe that'd make extra OVAs more fun. The Higurashi Rei OVAs did a fairly good job of mixing stuff up, for example.

A feature length film would be great too; hey it's nice to dream. On the other hand, what other series has Kyoani devoted 47 episodes and 2 OVAs to?

germanturkey

2009-07-07, 21:11

Kyou is win. thus this ep was win. rain scene was a bit of a let down, but the happy ending made up for it. i do feel bad for Ryou, since she's a great person, but she, Kyou and Tomoya both knew that their ship was sailing in a certain direction.

risingstar3110

2009-07-08, 02:25

My favourite character is Kyou, so i'm happy with the OVA.

To me the most emotional screen from the Ep strangely is when they start to have the image of the twins, flash backward and forward, and then Kyou cried, and then i melts.....

MeoTwister5

2009-07-08, 08:08

Man it's been months since I was last on these boards. The memories...

So I finally caved in and watched it. First thing I realized was that Toki wo Kizamu Uta as the OP felt kinda inappropriate but... whatever.

I guess my main complaint is that they chose to animate my least favorite romance arc of the School Arcs. In the game it was a bit of an emofest here and there, but it was somewhat toned down here... somewhat. Most of the overemo scenes were cut out thank god. Problem is Kyou is a completely miserable wreck in this adaptation, when she was clearly still holding it strong for the most part of the story. Tomoya and Kyou share a similar problem with the Tomoyo Arc adaptation: everyone's completely tamed! Almost nothing of Tsundere Kyou and Tomoya like in the previous OVA looks completely docile.

I'm kinda sure they changed a bit here and there, like the one between Kyou and Youhei but I'm not really sure as I lost all my save files to check.

The animation feels a real step down from After Story and the Tomoya OVA. Seems like KyotoAni been low on funding recently. Someone send them a check or something.:twitch:

In short... it really didn't change my feelings for the actual game route. It was so-so there and is still so-so here. I guess my biggest complaint was that they felt the need to animate a kissing scene for an OVA when they didn't bother doing it for Tomoya and Nagisa.:(

Edit - Might as well add, but this episode could have gone beyond the realm of mediocrity if they deicded to give us a Planetarian OVA THATIWILLNOTSTOPCOMPLAININGABOUTUNTILTHEYGIVEITTOU S but I guess not.

CodeGeass

2009-07-08, 08:51

kyou rules!!

btw, whats the name of the music playing as background at the last minutes?

Archon_Wing

2009-07-08, 15:40

"Ana" by Lia

chikorita157

2009-07-08, 17:17

damn that OVA was good... want/need more in some form or another...ahhh i need more Clannad :P

Just play the visual novel... the visual novel goes alot deeper than the anime would anyways..

The Kyou OVA was done well, but missing alot of content from the visual novel which make it felt rushed (I would know what parts are missing since I played Kyou's arc in whole)... If it was a 45 min OVA, it would probably be done better since they can go in better detail... Also, the animation was on par to the other episodes, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and give it a 8.7/10 which is a 9.

Detailed Explanation (http://chikorita157.net84.net/anime/blog/?p=1333)

CodeGeass

2009-07-08, 19:23

"Ana" by Lia

thanks.. ive been looking for that music like.. forever :D

Tak

2009-07-08, 23:38

"Ana" by Lia

It is reported that she can speak English fluently, although that song made... well, no sense :heh:

- Tak

zzeroparticle

2009-07-08, 23:42

Archon_Wing

2009-07-09, 01:03

It is reported that she can speak English fluently, although that song made... well, no sense :heh:

- Tak
Sometimes things sound cooler if they are incomprehensible. ;) Then again, like most anime songs I don't understand the lyrics anyways so i never pay attention to them. But what the heck is "ana" supposed to mean? Reading the actual lyrics reminds me of babelfish. :D

Ithekro

2009-07-09, 01:16

I know a lot of songs that are basically nonsense. I usually don't care if the music is good. Sometimes you don't even have to know the language to like a song. Happens everytime I find a Japanese song I like.

Archon_Wing

2009-07-09, 03:08

Same here. :) But I don't pay attention to lyrics too much, unless I'm in the mood for such.

DeX-kun

2009-07-09, 03:36

I think I'm able to get at the essence of "Ana" even if the lyrics don't really make a whole lot of sense.

Anyways, my reaction to the OVA isn't quite as enthusiastic, mostly because I thought the amount of drama they put forth was just a bit too heavy-handed for my tastes. But if there was one bright, shining moment, it was the way Sunohara managed to become the voice of wisdom, which was a welcome change from his role as the comic relief during the series. As for Kyou, she did look happy and animated towards the end, so I guess all's well that ends well?

To be honest "Ana" is one of my least favorite songs in Clannad (but I'm not saying that it's a bad song, it's good but it just doesn't do anything for me :p)

As for Youhei, I still would have liked to see him in his usual comical form mixed with his "wise" form as well. Sunohara isn't Sunohara without being stupid every now and then and that was also missing for me in this OVA.

People can't really watch this OVA without watching the TV series because most of the characters in this OVA really felt misplaced, at least for me.

Tak

2009-07-09, 07:43

People can't really watch this OVA without watching the TV series because most of the characters in this OVA really felt misplaced, at least for me.

People can't watch this OVA without really playing the game. The TV series touched very little upon Kyou and Ryou's route. Sure, we know the sisters love the same guy, but little more (about the sisters). In addition, the TV series cannot explore Kyou and Ryou's route deeper because their entire route consist of them confessing and competing for Tomoya, should the TV series ventured deeper, the story would have been altered. This OVA was made for fans and for fans of the game, really since most of the major events in this OVA took place in the game and not in the TV series.

- Tak

Rice_slayer

2009-07-09, 08:57

damn that OVA was good... want/need more in some form or another...ahhh i need more Clannad :P

Play the game :). Im just on the after story part now. I dont know if it's just me, but the VN is more emotional then the anime. This episode did seem rushed, and it didnt have the tear jerking factor at the end as the VN had, this was an episode that should be at least 40 mins. Still, seeing Kyou's softer side= Win!

JagdPanther

2009-07-09, 10:55

Okay, I don't think it was as good as the Tomoyo OAV but this was still okay. Kyou with short hair was amazing cute.

A little emo, but the ending was extremely sweet. I always loved Kyou's character and thought she'd be a really good match for Tomoya as I watched the two seasons. Obviously Nagisa was ultimately the best choice period, but for being a non-eroge harem story it's hard to say Character A is totally not a good choice. Tomoyo, Kyou, or Nagisa all would've been good for the Canon choice.

Like I said, of the two OAVs the Tomoyo one was clearly superior, but this wasn't bad. Just felt rushed, even though I never played the visual novel. I was continually checking the time on the episode as it progressed thinking, "There's no way they can satisfactorily finish this in the time remaining." They kinda did, but reading the above posted link as to what all was missing from the OAV as compared to the arc in the novel, I'd have liked to have seen some of that stuff. Probably would've been more interesting.

I didn't play the VN since I assume there's only a Japanese version out there. I would've loved to have gone through it, though.

DeX-kun

2009-07-09, 13:23

People can't watch this OVA without really playing the game. The TV series touched very little upon Kyou and Ryou's route. Sure, we know the sisters love the same guy, but little more (about the sisters). In addition, the TV series cannot explore Kyou and Ryou's route deeper because their entire route consist of them confessing and competing for Tomoya, should the TV series ventured deeper, the story would have been altered. This OVA was made for fans and for fans of the game, really since most of the major events in this OVA took place in the game and not in the TV series.

- Tak

Oh I know that the TV series touched very little on the Fujibayashi twins but I was referring more to the personalities of the characters, such as Tomoya, Kyou, Ryou and Sunohara. I was so used to the way the characters behaved in the TV series that the ones in this particular OVA felt weird, granted they were able to portray the key points from Kyou's route. I'll probably get my hands on the VN and play through it, just to have the complete feel for it.

ShatteredSkys

2009-07-09, 18:22

Great episode. After playing the visual novel, I'm very happy with this OVA.
I dislike the hair thing though.

fallschirmjager

2009-07-10, 08:37

It is reported that she can speak English fluently, although that song made... well, no sense :heh:

- Tak

Yeah I was surprised. She sings "All Around" for Initial D Stage 4 and her English was commendable but this...

As for the Kyou. More Kyou is never a bad thing and this OVA was a nice addition. I also felt it was rather rushed and that the rain scene could have been a lot better given the significance it posed in the game but overall I'm happy with it.

Now to fight off the desire to play the game and watch the anime again...

kyosak

2009-07-11, 04:48

Now to fight off the desire to play the game and watch the anime again...

Wasn't a big fan of this OVA but it sure did make me want to go back and play Kyou's route over again. :)

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-12, 15:17

well, in my opinion i liked kyou's OVA over tomoyo's. although like everyone was saying, "it was rushed". we all know that, but then again think about it. at least they MADE her an episode. which we've all been dreading to see happen for quite sometime. i know that 22 minutes may have not been enough for her story but it does take a lot of work just to make an episode all in all.

the reason why i gave this a 10/10 is because i absolutely adore Kyou and Tomoya together.

now, i've watched her OVA multiple times already. (because i just LOVE it) and i think it's just has a great story behind it. two sisters. who like the same guy. although i think that ryou only LIKED tomoya. and it was kyou who really loved him. anyways~~~i just enjoyed kyou's OVA a lot better.

hmm. by the way, another reason why i am so happy about this episode. is because it is (at least i think it is) the last episode for clannad over all. so that does make me think that in the end kyou and tomoya will be together forever. YEEEEEEE. happiness.

oh, and i found this one picture that could probably resemble what they're child might look like. (if they every got married and had a child.) in my book they do! haaah.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/little%20kyou/yosuke_kun/1233997068375mh4.jpg[/IMG]"]

So CUTE!

*sigh*
im kinda new to this...so can anyone tell me if they could see that spoiler thingy with a picture. hehe. sooooooooooorry~ :heh:

DeX-kun

2009-07-12, 18:05

*sigh*
im kinda new to this...so can anyone tell me if they could see that spoiler thingy with a picture. hehe. sooooooooooorry~ :heh:

As far as I can tell, I don't see any spoiler tags or pictures.

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-12, 18:51

As far as I can tell, I don't see any spoiler tags or pictures.

haha yeeeah. im new and stuff. lawl. someone explain to me how to use spoiler tags please? :heh:

DeX-kun

2009-07-12, 19:09

haha yeeeah. im new and stuff. lawl. someone explain to me how to use spoiler tags please? :heh:

Well, you usually just press the spoiler button. It's the button with the exclamation point within a triangle and it should ask what you want the "spoiler topic" to be about and then you just type whatever it is you want to hide between these brackets:

e.g. (example) - "[SPOILER]*insert comments here*[/SPOILER ]"

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-12, 19:15

Well, you usually just press the spoiler button. It's the button with the exclamation point within a triangle and it should ask what you want the "spoiler topic" to be about and then you just type whatever it is you want to hide between these brackets:

e.g. (example) - "[SPOILER]*insert comments here*[/SPOILER ]"

hmm okay. i think i get it now. haha
thank you!!!!! :nod:

DeX-kun

2009-07-12, 19:19

hmm okay. i think i get it now. haha
thank you!!!!! :nod:

You're welcome :)

Now to get back on topic, I have a question of my own for the people that have played the game. What was another important scene that you guys think should have been included in the OVA?

Tak

2009-07-12, 19:29

Now to get back on topic, I have a question of my own for the people that have played the game. What was another important scene that you guys think should have been included in the OVA?

Couple things.

From the beginning, instead of having Ryou just abruptly coming to the classroom confessing to Tomoya, it should have been started with a conversation between Kyou and Tomoya in regards to Ryou's affection.

The OVA skipped the lunch scene or the group dating scene.

And where the hell is Botan? In the game, it was Botan who led Tomoya to Kyou.

Then, Tomoya brought Kyou a pendant near the end of the game, an important attribute in their relationship. That was skipped.

Lastly, Kyou's conversation with Tomoya at the end of the game where Tomoya uttered his infamous line: "You know, if nobody is watching, it wouldn't end with just the kissing..."

Unfortunately, Kyou was slightly out of character in this one, never mind that this episode murdered the humor that persisted in Kyou's route.

- Tak

DeX-kun

2009-07-12, 20:15

Couple things.

From the beginning, instead of having Ryou just abruptly coming to the classroom confessing to Tomoya, it should have been started with a conversation between Kyou and Tomoya in regards to Ryou's affection.

The OVA skipped the lunch scene or the group dating scene.

And where the hell is Botan? In the game, it was Botan who led Tomoya to Kyou.

Then, Tomoya brought Kyou a pendant near the end of the game, an important attribute in their relationship. That was skipped.

Lastly, Kyou's conversation with Tomoya at the end of the game where Tomoya uttered his infamous line: "You know, if nobody is watching, it wouldn't end with just the kissing..."

Unfortunately, Kyou was slightly out of character in this one, never mind that this episode murdered the humor that persisted in Kyou's route.

- Tak

I do believe that Botan was in the rain scene and he did lead Tomoya to Kyou. Other then that, I do have to agree with you about the humor, I felt that it was a big part of this arc that was missing.

shaolinx

2009-07-13, 03:24

Great OVA, though rushed.

I agree with the guy that said they shouldve kept milking this anime. I found tomoyo,kyou arc very enjoyable and deserves a season for themselves, atleast a 6 eps each. I guess that wont be happening now after this ova...

Now if only KyoAni would stop doing those "moe" animes and focus more on these romance/comedy...

FhnuZoag

2009-07-13, 10:43

This OVA was okay, but probably not as deep, interesting, or good as the rest of the series.

I mean, in synopsis form, the story can be summarised as:

Guy dates girl A. Girl B is jealous. Guy actually likes girl B. Guy tells girl A to break it off. Guy dates girl B. The end.

None of the characters really do anything particularly interesting or brave. Tomoya doesn't develop, or anything. It's not like Ryou even puts up a real fight. I think my reaction is best summarised by Sunohara:

"People'd kill to have your problem!"

shaolinx

2009-07-14, 09:53

spawnofthejudge

2009-07-14, 11:30

Guy dates girl A. Girl B is jealous. Guy actually likes girl B. Guy tells girl A to break it off. Guy dates girl B. The end.Don't forget that Girl B pushes Girl A and Guy together in the first place. Still somewhat cookie-cutter, but at least slightly less so. Even less when you factor that Girl A isn't blameless here either.

I agree that this easily could have used another episode, but I disagree that it didn't work for that reason. I've found that KyoAni is very good at being succinct when they have to be, and I (a game player) and a friend (not a game player) watched it together and both thought it was wonderful. KyoAni managed to make it work in 22 minutes... but damn if I don't wish that they'd made it 44, because if they did this well with 22...

So while it probably should have had more time, it was enough. 8.5/10. (Rounding to 9 because they dropped Torch for Ana, which several other episodes in After Story could have used)

...Would someone who disliked the hair thing please explain why?!

Tak

2009-07-14, 13:06

...Would someone who disliked the hair thing please explain why?!

I don't know why people are fussing over the hair. Kyou cut her hair because she wanted to know how Tomoya truly feels.

At the end of the game, Kyou stated that she will grow her hair back for him.

- Tak

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-14, 21:49

I don't know why people are fussing over the hair. Kyou cut her hair because she wanted to know how Tomoya truly feels.

At the end of the game, Kyou stated that she will grow her hair back for him.

- Tak

well i guess people are ranting about her short hair is because of the way they saw it at first. i mean..i didn't like it either. but at the ending you can see that the hair suits her well because it grew. tomoya and kyou must've been together for awhile since her confession. you can tell by her hair. :heehee:

justinstrife

2009-07-15, 01:26

shaolinx

2009-07-15, 03:05

As everyone else has said, way too short to show everything properly. Still enjoyable in a way, but I enjoyed the Tomoyo Chapter far better in the way it was presented.

Since I'm a fan of Tomoyo and Kyou, I still liked the stories over Nagisa's, and will take whatever I can get. This one gets a 7.5 from me, which rounds up to an 8 just because it is Kyou and she's just so damn cute.

Agreed~!!!

Nagisa is such a boring/character. I have no idea why they decided to go her route... The series wouldve been whole lot better if it was any other girl.

Also about the hair. I am also in the group that didnt like the short hair... like some people say - "all anime girls look/draw the same except for their hair and height." so, basically she cut out a part of her unique characteristic by doing that.:eyespin:

Haak

2009-07-15, 03:51

Agreed~!!!

Nagisa is such a boring/character. I have no idea why they decided to go her route... The series wouldve been whole lot better if it was any other girl.

Because hers was the only route. :eyebrow:

spawnofthejudge

2009-07-15, 07:24

Nagisa is such a boring/character. I have no idea why they decided to go her route... The series wouldve been whole lot better if it was any other girl. No, actually, it wouldn't. Nagisa causes growth in Tomoya and vice versa. Tomoya isn't much changed by his interactions with Kyou in her route... any changes she might have effected in him probably happened during their first year as friends (read: offscreen), and even then I don't think they were many. Tomoya's only real conflict in Kyou's route is the love triangle. I love Kyou and think Kyou/Tomoya is wonderful and all, but Tomoya was not benefited by meeting Kyou nearly as much as he was by meeting Nagisa. Nagisa was the reason Tomoya got out of his funk, and she was the best reason for it. Her family helped (because they're awesome) and Tomoya's own familial problems were also resolved indirectly by the Furukawas.

Tomoyo, the other girl with an after story, is the only other girl who comes close as far as effecting real change in Tomoya's outlook and character.

Nagisa may be quiet and unassuming, but that's not the same thing as boring. She has a strength of convictions and a heart bigger than that Dango family she likes to sing about. I can't understand how her character could be boring... I can't actually find a 'boring' character in this cast.

Tak

2009-07-15, 07:59

Tomoyo, the other girl with an after story, is the only other girl who comes close as far as effecting real change in Tomoya's outlook and character.

I actually consider Tomoyo to be on the flip side of the same coin, and that she fulfills what Nagisa could not do.

And in the case of Tomoyo After Story, it was her who had to internalize a lot of pain, similar to what Tomoya had to go through in After Story.

- Tak

justinstrife

2009-07-15, 11:43

Agreed~!!!

Nagisa is such a boring/character. I have no idea why they decided to go her route... The series wouldve been whole lot better if it was any other girl.

Also about the hair. I am also in the group that didnt like the short hair... like some people say - "all anime girls look/draw the same except for their hair and height." so, basically she cut out a part of her unique characteristic by doing that.:eyespin:

I can understand why they went with Nagisa. It's easier to touch upon the other characters' stories, with her as the focus, than it would be for Kyou or Tomoyo.

Do I think her story was better than theirs? No. Do I think she's a better character than them? No. But it is what it is. Once the game is translated, I will be playing Kyou's and Tomoyo's routes so that I can enjoy the stories that did interest me, and leave Nagisa to her fans. :p

Tomoyo, the other girl with an after story, is the only other girl who comes close as far as effecting real change in Tomoya's outlook and character.
I can't actually find a 'boring' character in this cast.
I would say Tomoyo's arc gives Tomoya an equal amount of character growth, as Nagisa's. Tomoyo forces Tomoya to grow up and take responsibility for his actions, and actually strive towards something. He's not just helping someone else, he's actually trying to get somewhere, and be somebody for once.

I do find Nagisa boring. She and Ryou were the dullest characters in the story as far as I was concerned. I started skipping their scenes to get to the other more interesting characters.

It's not a surprise though, as I can't stand shy, quiet, weak-appearing characters in anime. We have nothing in common, and I just find them out-right boring. Your mileage may vary.

Ithekro

2009-07-15, 18:15

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-15, 19:35

Interesting. This line of discussion made me notice something...Tomoya in this episode...looks depressed the entire time. Sort of like he did in he's colorless world before Nagisa entered it (and after she's gone)...and agian before Ushio enters again. While Kyou might make nice wife for us (and maybe even for Tomoya) if you look carefully, you can see that Kyou is not what he needs to solve his own inner demons.

Of course we don't know what happens to them afterwards since there is no After Story for Kyou...we don't even really know what happens for the rest of that school year. It is entirely possible that they broke up after school ended. It is also possible they have six children and it drives them both crazy. We know Kyou was planning on being a teacher. Would she be able to get her degree with Tomoya around? Would she have to put that on hold if she gets pregnate? Would Tomoya ever fix his relationship with his father? Would he graduate? What sort of job would he have if he was with Kyou?

Too many questions. All we know is how he was and how he changed because of Nagisa in one line, and Tomoyo in another. But did he fix his relationship with his father in Tomoyo After? I don't know.

oh how i wish Kyou and Tomoya could be together forever. i enjoy the way they conversate. it's never a boring moment.

i disagree with you with the fact that kyou is not what tomoya needs. i think kyou has something special about her that could bring out the best in tomoya. i know we didn't really get to see the real emotional impact of her OVA but in the VN it's pretty clear that kyou can make tomoya unleash his inner emotions and finally find happiness between the 2 of them. we can see that tomoya really had great feelings for her. in the VN he also mentions that he loves her. isn't that enough to say she could be the one as well? i mean it takes a lot for someone to say "i love you." all in all. i think she can make him as happy as nagisa can.

of course this is in my opinion. :heehee:

Lonestar9

2009-07-15, 20:08

shaolinx

2009-07-15, 20:58

As for the after Story, I think that both stories are equally good , as Umi and Tomoya development is hard to beat. So that could be a one good reason to go Nagisa's route.

Also, is it just me but how come Tomoyo is the one that has gets the bad end of the stick in her AS story. Afterall, Nagisa's AS was able to pull that whole time reset thing so that they lived happily ever after etc etc. :confused:

Tak

2009-07-15, 21:50

Also, is it just me but how come Tomoyo is the one that has gets the bad end of the stick in her AS story. Afterall, Nagisa's AS was able to pull that whole time reset thing so that they lived happily ever after etc etc. :confused:

That had been changed/modified/discarded by the game's original creator and the original game itself discontinued.

The new versions since the PS2 release have several things going for them. 1. removal of H-content, 2. addition of Tomoya's VA and 3. a happy ending

- Tak

shaolinx

2009-07-15, 22:35

That had been changed/modified/discarded by the game's original creator and the original game itself discontinued.

The new versions since the PS2 release have several things going for them. 1. removal of H-content, 2. addition of Tomoya's VA and 3. a happy ending

- Tak

oh, I was basing the ending off of the manga version, which I thought was based off of the original game.... So, why did they stop making the original game AS?

Hari Michiru

2009-07-18, 16:46

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-18, 17:51

Watching this episode makes me wish that there was an AS for Kyou's arc too (like Nagisa and Tomoyo before her). Think this is my favourite pairing, since I didn't find the Nagisa route to be as sad for some reason.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
a KyouXTomya supporter!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree with you.
i wish Kyou had an AS too!

Hari Michiru

2009-07-19, 02:39

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
a KyouXTomya supporter!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree with you.
i wish Kyou had an AS too!

I'd love to see what direction they are able to take it in. :heh:

FugibayashiFlower<3

2009-07-19, 19:48

I'd love to see what direction they are able to take it in. :heh:

i hope they get married. and have a kid. and no one dies. PLEASE! :T_T:

Tak

2009-07-19, 21:32

oh, I was basing the ending off of the manga version, which I thought was based off of the original game.... So, why did they stop making the original game AS?

Call it an investment strategy. Previous KEY games, such as Kanon, featured H-scenes, not because they were good, but because it was hoped that H-scenes would help Kanon to sell. Once Kanon proved that it could sell without the inclusion of H-scenes, the rest is history.

Likewise, Tomoyo After also included H-scenes, and they were done much better this time around, which will certainly raise more than just an eyebrow. But likewise, once TA proved that it could sell, well...

- Tak

NettoSaito

2009-07-21, 20:48

I really liked this episode but it made me sad because most likely it's the last clannad. Still it was really nice to see them back in school.

ArbalestARX

2009-07-25, 04:44

In all honesty this episode was rushed beyond belief. The impact just wasn't there in comparison to say.. the Tomoyo OVA (which in my opinion, is by far the best episode in Clannad's first season). Maybe it was because I read the VN prior to this but even if I were to look at this objectively, I don't think it would be possible to put yourself in the shoes of Tomoya or Kyou, even Ryou in this OVA.

I would've thought that with an event-filled route like Kyou's, KyoAni would've decided on a bare-minimum 30 minute OVA. I guess I was wrong.

I'm inclined to give a good rating because as a character, I like Kyou quite a fair bit.

Now, about Kyou and Tomoya's relationship. In all honesty I think Kyou is someone who could help Tomoya change gradually. He's had a tough life growing up and has basically secluded himself from the rest of the world. But in this route he was able to open up with his honest feelings and say he loves Kyou. A change like that is rather significant in my opinion...

I think people downplay Kyou's potential influence on Tomoya's life because the changes just aren't that dramatic in comparison to say... Nagisa or Tomoyo.

*double-checks to see whether he mixed up Tomoya and Tomoyo's name*

ginytah

2009-07-26, 15:59

man, this thread is like a convention of nagisa haters. It feels bad u.u
Oh well x_x I specially loved the ilumination at the end *-* those collorfull lights through the leaves of trees.
each girl is like a different season. Kyou is summer I think... Tomoyo is winter, Nagisa is spring, kotomi is fall, fuuko IDK xD, Yukine... windy days?
an the epilogue with Ana is always epic.

Tak

2009-07-26, 18:21

Eh, I have absolutely nothing against Nagisa. In fact, I quite like her. However, there are other characters in the show who are simply better. That is all.

- Tak

DeX-kun

2009-07-26, 18:54

Eh, I have absolutely nothing against Nagisa. In fact, I quite like her. However, there are other characters in the show who are simply better. That is all.

- Tak

*ahem*

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean? :D

ginytah

2009-07-26, 20:18

*ahem*

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean? :D

I'm also curious... because saying "better" is pretty subjective. and saying "simply better" is even more... like saying is obvious. and I tend to think that by better you mean hotter or cooler, wich isn't a valid reason to me. :heh: well I guess men and women think different.

DeX-kun

2009-07-26, 20:25

I'm also curious... because saying "better" is pretty subjective. and saying "simply better" is even more... like saying is obvious. and I tend to think that by better you mean hotter or cooler, wich isn't a valid reason to me. :heh: well I guess men and women think different.

Even looks are subjective in my opinion. "Love is in the eyes of the beholder." Some might label someone as "dull" when others think otherwise.

Proto

2009-07-27, 11:58

DeX-kun

2009-07-27, 12:02

Hmm... I have to sit down and watch this OVA someday. The problem is that in the VN I hated the treatment of Tomoya, Kyou, and the dragged melodrama of this whole deal, so I've been reluctant to go through this once again... -_-

The choice is all up to you but everything you didn't like about the VN is pretty much included in the anime :heh:

Ithekro

2009-07-27, 16:40

If it makes you feel any better, any melodrama will be over in about 22 minutes...so it will be a short run.

Archon_Wing

2009-08-05, 14:39

Call it an investment strategy. Previous KEY games, such as Kanon, featured H-scenes, not because they were good, but because it was hoped that H-scenes would help Kanon to sell. Once Kanon proved that it could sell without the inclusion of H-scenes, the rest is history.

Likewise, Tomoyo After also included H-scenes, and they were done much better this time around, which will certainly raise more than just an eyebrow. But likewise, once TA proved that it could sell, well...

- Tak

Hah, when I found out Air was a H-game, I was like wtf!! But yea sex does sell. Though I can't really imagine characters having sex in Kanon and especially Air... feels really gross. :heh: Fortunately their stories work great on their own and the anime adaptations are mostly free of this.

It also led to a funny first impression for Clannad since one of the first times I heard about it was the scene where they were trapped in the storage room. That and Kyou's prominence in the first OP made me naturally assume "Well, at least this seems more appropriate here!" Then I learned Clannad was actually an all ages game. It's just kind of funny to me that the game where sex has the most relevance to the plot is a clean game. Which was hillarously lampshaded when Nagisa gets pregnant :D Not to mention that Kyou seems to be the most sexualized of all the Key characters I've seen. Or perhaps this was just the anime's emphasis?*

*Just an observation; I don't actually want Kyou hentai. ;)

DeX-kun

2009-08-05, 14:47

*Just an observation; I don't actually want Kyou hentai. ;)

Pfft, don't lie to yourself :heh: No but in all honesty, the title of this series is very deceiving because I really didn't expect much from this series initially. I saw Clannad and I heard it was pretty popular which led me to give it a chance (they had it labeled as harem somewhere and I'm not fond of harems but I still decided to give it a watch.) Boy, I'm glad that I try not to "judge a book by it's cover," because it is an experience I'll never forget.

Archon_Wing

2009-08-05, 15:21

Pfft, don't lie to yourself :heh:

Nah, then I'd never be able to take the Clannad and tissue box comments seriously anymore. :D
But on a serious note, I actually do enjoy the lack of gratuitous fanservice in the series. Not that fanservice is bad, but the way it is often done is very distracting. It also makes it easier to recomend it sometimes I just get "Blah, just another animated boob show" from people. :heh:

DeX-kun

2009-08-05, 15:32

Nah, then I'd never be able to take the Clannad and tissue box comments seriously anymore. :D
But on a serious note, I actually do enjoy the lack of gratuitous fanservice in the series. Not that fanservice is bad, but the way it is often done is very distracting. It also makes it easier to recomend it sometimes I just get "Blah, just another animated boob show" from people. :heh:

Yeah, I was just kidding around ;) I actually do agree with you although I wish there could have been a kiss scene between Tomoya and Nagisa <_< But that's just me being picky :heh:

The lack of fan-service is what I admire about this show as well and how well the innuendo was implemented just makes this show all that more hilarious because this is an all ages show, so the younger children watching this show wouldn't really understand some of those scenes whereas the older audience would. I just enjoyed the overall balance.

Archon_Wing

2009-08-05, 15:44

I actually do agree with you although I wish there could have been a kiss scene between Tomoya and Nagisa <_< But that's just me being picky :heh:

Yea, it was suspiciously missing, but even if they did, I bet the sun's just gonna blur it out. -_-; Still could make material for a wrap up OVA. But then if that happened, we may get bombed by irate members of the Church of Haruhi, so I don't know. :)

The lack of fan-service is what I admire about this show as well and how well the innuendo was implemented just makes this show all that more hilarious because this is an all ages show, so the younger children watching this show wouldn't really understand some of those scenes whereas the older audience would. I just enjoyed the overall balance.

That's something that some of the great classic shows in Western Animation did as well. Not sure if this show will be considered a classic, but we'll just have to see.

And also it looks like After Story got licensed. Does that mean the first season did well in the west? That's pretty impressive for a series like this.

Khu

2009-08-06, 03:23

I want an animated kiss.

Not just a cgi image, thanks.

DeX-kun

2009-08-06, 13:54

I want an animated kiss.

Not just a cgi image, thanks.

I concur with this statement :heh: I would sign a petition for another OVA of Clannad expanding more on the Okazaki Family, just to wrap things up officially :p

ginytah

2009-08-16, 00:44

I concur with this statement :heh: I would sign a petition for another OVA of Clannad expanding more on the Okazaki Family, just to wrap things up officially :p

*joining the protest* X.x YEAH! an OVA plz... with a goddamn kiss scene :rolleyes:

Khu

2009-08-22, 09:43

Lol. WE MUST GET ALL THE OTHER FORUMS TO JOIN IN AS WELL! GET AN INSIDER INTO KEY AND KYOANI!

Nosauz

2009-08-22, 10:06

really kyo ani could do a whole nother season called other stories, basically involving tomoya getting the damn happiness orbs from everybody in town that he hasn't already, which would be extended kyou, ryou, tomoyo, kotomi routes, and a bunch of others, and really flesh out the animation for the rest of vn. but i doubt we'll get that but boy would that be nice. since this all the kyou story we will get i gave it a 9 but yea as many have said, rushed, and missed some great parts to be animated.

I really can't tell if these tears of pain of destroying one of the best arcs in the vn, or the fact they animated it but man that was a let down. GAAHHAHAHAH, Im about to rampage at kyoani studios

Miyuki-ism

2009-08-22, 19:59

They pretty much covered Kotomi's arc in season 1, unless they decided to do some anime original stuff.

17th_warrior

2009-08-23, 10:08

Wasn't Kotomi's arc supposed to be umm... more romantic???

Tak

2009-08-23, 10:33

Wasn't Kotomi's arc supposed to be umm... more romantic???

The same could be said for every one of the main heroines, but if you go down that route... well, then you can't really justify Tomoya x Nagisa anymore.

They made the same mistake in Kanon. Yuuichi got way too intimate with everyone that at the end, it just didn't feel right.

- Tak

Miyuki-ism

2009-08-23, 13:02

Well in the VN Kotomi's arc was a little more romantic, but it really focuses on Kotomi's life about her parents and her past etc, and also about her making friends.

Nosauz

2009-08-25, 12:35

so just played through kyou's ending again and man did that episode suck real bad. The animators only got all the surface level stuff, but man there was some really good contrast and exploration of ryou kyou and even tomoya and how their interactions changed each other. One of the best line's 一人の少女に"自分"という存在を否定させようとしている but yeah man kyou ova was a wasted attempt to get kyou fans to buy an extra dvd, ugh just makes me sad at how much good things, epic story telling that they missed out on.

Proto

2009-08-25, 15:23

Tell that to us, the Kappei fans. you guys at least got a digested version. :p

Nosauz

2009-08-25, 20:10

Tell that to us, the Kappei fans. you guys at least got a digested version. :p

it's worse, at least you don't have to deal with being bitterly teased by kyto ani, so i guess i'll just bury my face into my computer and play kyou's route again.. blargh

spawnofthejudge

2009-08-26, 06:56

it's worse, at least you don't have to deal with being bitterly teased by kyto ani, so i guess i'll just bury my face into my computer and play kyou's route again.. blarghWho's the one character that didn't appear in the anime version? :eyebrow:

Gibber

2009-08-26, 08:10

Who's the one character that didn't appear in the anime version? :eyebrow:

Kappei Hiiragi, in the VN, Tomoya meets him on the way to school or something and they become friends. I didn't really like his route so it didn't bother me but they shoulda put it in the anime so that Ryou wouldn't be alone.

spawnofthejudge

2009-08-26, 08:19

Kappei Hiiragi, in the VN, Tomoya meets him on the way to school or something and they become friends. I didn't really like his route so it didn't bother me but they shoulda put it in the anime so that Ryou wouldn't be alone....I was trying to be rhetorical :) I liked his route... and you're completely right about the hole he fills.

DeX-kun

2009-08-26, 12:31

...I was trying to be rhetorical :) I liked his route... and you're completely right about the role he fills.

There, I fixed that for you :p :heh:

17th_warrior

2009-08-26, 12:33

role = hole
Lol :)

Nosauz

2009-08-26, 12:34

gotta pay the troll's toll to get into the boy's hole, err i mean soul

relentlessflame

2009-08-27, 13:39

but yeah man kyou ova was a wasted attempt to get kyou fans to buy an extra dvd, ugh just makes me sad at how much good things, epic story telling that they missed out on.Just as a technicality, it wasn't released on a separate DVD or anything. It was just a bonus episode that was included on the last disc of the series, which also included episodes 22-24. So they were never really marketing it as a full-fledged OVA or anything -- just as a bonus; I'm not too sure it's really part of some deeply nefarious marketing plot...

Archon_Wing

2009-08-27, 16:24

There, I fixed that for you :p :heh:

What was wrong with the first one? ;)

Haak

2009-08-28, 06:42

Too easy to mistake it for a euphamism i'm guessing.

Khu

2009-08-28, 08:05

Well it IS true...

Except he was asleep while he was filling it.

DeX-kun

2009-08-28, 13:18

Well it IS true...

Except he was asleep while he was filling it.

:heh:

It looks like I might have to pick up the game just to play Kappei's route :D

Archon_Wing

2009-08-28, 21:15

In any case, I'm glad it was all filled in the end. :D

Khu

2009-08-29, 00:21

:heh:

It looks like I might have to pick up the game just to play Kappei's route :D

Lol.

He screams trap.

ESPECIALLY TO SUNOHARA LULS

miroku2192

2009-09-02, 12:48

I think he changed hole to role because...well filling a hole...a guy filling a girl's hole

well i pretty much stated it straight out for you, i hope that's not what he was thinking, but the way he had to change your post made me think he was possibly hinting at that >.>

Archon_Wing

2009-09-02, 14:53

miroku2192

2009-09-02, 15:07

^ i agree, was just trying to explain what he might've thought lawl...can't believe i even went so far as to think that hahahaha

Ever17

2009-09-02, 21:34

I'm glad that they animated Kyou's arc, even if it was kind of short...

When watching the first season and seeing her cry so much over losing Tomoya, I felt so bad for her, though I was okay with her or Nagisa with Tomoya.

DeX-kun

2009-09-02, 23:11

But, usually it is the person that feels the need to edit is the one thinking dirty thoughts. :p But it's ok, nothing wrong with that kind of hole filling [/lame pun that should be in Austin Powers]

Sorry, my original question was meant to be rhetorical. :heh:

^ i agree, was just trying to explain what he might've thought lawl...can't believe i even went so far as to think that hahahaha

Wait what? :confused: Who said anything about dirty thoughts? :rolleyes: You people have such dirty minds :heh:

17th_warrior

2009-09-03, 02:27

Archon_Wing

2009-09-03, 02:46

Wait what? :confused: Who said anything about dirty thoughts? :rolleyes: You people have such dirty minds :heh:

Well, the topic is about Kyou, who has the most innuendo surrounding her. It's only natural. ;)

17th Warrior: Think it's a reference to the Tomoyo chapter

miroku2192

2009-09-03, 09:02

^i don't remember her crying >.>

Then again i haven't watched the first season in a long time, i only remember her crying when he gets with her sister in this extra. TBH, i wish they'd have also shown tomoyo + kyou routes some more, i love these two characters to death!

Evinkuruga

2009-09-03, 16:20

miroku2192

2009-09-03, 17:57

I still can't believe she cut her hair!
When I saw that part in the Visual Novel, it didn't seem right...
They ~should have extended the episode.... so much left out.
It was nice seeing her again though, I liked Nagisa and all~ but... :3

oh shoot man so that means after watching this a lot will be ruined for me from the game eh? How much of a difference is there in doing her route? I'm doing her route right now, and i really like her, but i don't want it to be the same exact thing (as it'd be boring that way)...should i keep going with her route?

DeX-kun

2009-09-03, 18:58

Well, the topic is about Kyou, who has the most innuendo surrounding her. It's only natural. ;)

I thought we were talking about Ryou? ;)

^i don't remember her crying >.>

Then again i haven't watched the first season in a long time, i only remember her crying when he gets with her sister in this extra. TBH, i wish they'd have also shown tomoyo + kyou routes some more, i love these two characters to death!

Kyou did cry in the first season as soon as she realized how much Tomoya cared about Nagisa. It was at the end of Tomoyo's arc in episode 18 I believe. It was when Tomoyo finished her final task by playing Tennis and her opponent ended up injuring Nagisa's leg, that's when Tomoya said *slap* "Don't touch my girl" ;) And that's when Kyou was going to step in and separate them or something but Ryou preceded to state "It's ok" and Kyou just broke down and began crying her eyes out.

Archon_Wing

2009-09-03, 19:00

I thought we were talking about Ryou? ;)

Kyou, Ryou, either is fine. Which is why the story has both. :D j/k Poor Ryou, I even forgot about her that moment

Kyou did cry in the first season as soon as she realized how much Tomoya cared about Nagisa. It was at the end of Tomoyo's arc in episode 18 I believe. It was when Tomoyo finished her final task by playing Tennis and her opponent ended up injuring Nagisa's leg, that's when Tomoya said *slap* "Don't touch my girl" ;) And that's when Kyou was going to step in and separate them or something but Ryou preceded to state "It's ok" and Kyou just broke down and began crying her eyes out.

You are correct, I was thinking of something else. :heh:

Ever17

2009-09-04, 02:06

When was it??

Episode 18 of the first season :3

miroku2192

2009-09-04, 08:02

I thought we were talking about Ryou? ;)

Kyou did cry in the first season as soon as she realized how much Tomoya cared about Nagisa. It was at the end of Tomoyo's arc in episode 18 I believe. It was when Tomoyo finished her final task by playing Tennis and her opponent ended up injuring Nagisa's leg, that's when Tomoya said *slap* "Don't touch my girl" ;) And that's when Kyou was going to step in and separate them or something but Ryou preceded to state "It's ok" and Kyou just broke down and began crying her eyes out.

kyou wanted to step in before the ball hit, when she and ryou saw tomoya smile at nagisa...

man such a heartbreaking scene.

DeX-kun

2009-09-04, 10:44

kyou wanted to step in before the ball hit, when she and ryou saw tomoya smile at nagisa...

man such a heartbreaking scene.

Probably did but I was going by memory. The point is that she did cry...:rolleyes:

miroku2192

2009-09-04, 11:05

Probably did but I was going by memory. The point is that she did cry...:rolleyes:

Yeah, no i wasn't trying to be a "dick" in pointing out your errors. Anyway, it's a sad sad realization on her part, or more like an "acceptance" of defeat.

Sucks, i want kyou. Now. I just finished kyou's route in clannad. I want MOARRR.

DeX-kun

2009-09-04, 11:15

Anyway, it's a sad sad realization on her part, or more like an "acceptance" of defeat.

It's so much more than that, Kyou had so much built up inside her considering the fact that she was in love with him and at the same time wanting to bring Tomoya and Ryou together. Kyou had it tough, and Ryou did as well since she knew that Kyou was also in love with him but still wanting to be with Tomoya, hence her comment stating "Kyou, I'm sorry about all of this" (Not exactly quoted of course but something along those lines.)

Haak

2009-09-04, 11:16

It was pretty much the perfect ending to an episode in my opinion. =3

miroku2192

2009-09-04, 16:12

It's so much more than that, Kyou had so much built up inside her considering the fact that she was in love with him and at the same time wanting to bring Tomoya and Ryou together. Kyou had it tough, and Ryou did as well since she knew that Kyou was also in love with him but still wanting to be with Tomoya, hence her comment stating "Kyou, I'm sorry about all of this" (Not exactly quoted of course but something along those lines.)

I know...but i still want moarrr kyouuuu.

moar kyou! nao!

edit:

p.s. - haak, you're the one that recommended me to watch after story! I love you so much! You're a frigging genius, i lOVED it. Can't believe i waited so long, i thought it was gonna be more "slice of life" too much kinda thing after season 1. But boy oh boy was i wrong, season 2 was definitely an emotional rollercoaster...made me cry like a baby >.>

I was in bed...with my headphones on...and im just there wiping my tears over and over while blowing my nose too hahahah. Episodes 16, 18 and 21 ftw.

*now bakc on track*

Kyou's dvd special was good, a bit rushed (no surprise there, only 1 episode to cover her route) and it's almost a shame. I would've liked to see some of the other developments. I wish this and tomoyo's arc were slightly longer...and i sure as hell hope they make a tomoyo after...(animated), with a kyou after -> game.

DeX-kun

2009-09-04, 16:51

I know...but i still want moarrr kyouuuu.

moar kyou! nao!

:heh:

Sorry, that's it for Clannad. I feel the same away about Nagisa as you do about Kyou, I would've liked to see more of Nagisa especially interactions between her and Ushio :D But it's such a shame that it won't happen.

miroku2192

2009-09-04, 18:52

:heh:

Sorry, that's it for Clannad. I feel the same away about Nagisa as you do about Kyou, I would've liked to see more of Nagisa especially interactions between her and Ushio :D But it's such a shame that it won't happen.

I wouldn't mind some nagisa interaction with ushio and tomoya either...

but we don't have anything for kyou >.>! And kyou is just such a great character tooooo! arghhhhh she's so great :P

There's a tomoyo after, but no kyou after! ROAR! makes me upset :\

Khu

2009-09-04, 19:59

Lol, there's a fan based Kyou After.

Apparently the lines are the same as Tomoyo After though, so you'd just be switching characters. I think all they did was switch the character art for their own. They even used the same style of textbox and everything.

miroku2192

2009-09-04, 20:26

^yeah but then it just isn't kyou you know? They have different personalities, would say different things, and act differently...*sigh* i want my kyou.... i already has nagisa and soon will have tomoya. I want Kyou! i'll be happy once i have kyou :'(

i remember in the first season, i didn't like kyou as much as i do...this is after playing hte game of course. I really like her a lot now for some reason...i wonder why haha :P

IT's her personality you know? just makes it relaxing/fun to be around her.

Khu

2009-09-04, 20:39

I wouldn't call "getting poked in the eyes if you ditch me" extremely 'fun'. XD

(reference to Gym Storage Scene with Kyou in VN...)

miroku2192

2009-09-04, 21:33

I wouldn't call "getting poked in the eyes if you ditch me" extremely 'fun'. XD

(reference to Gym Storage Scene with Kyou in VN...)

I loveeed it when they got stuck together and tomoya starts taking off his shirt "It's my first time tomoya ahhh"

"it's my first time too, but just let me do all the work"

lawlll <3 kyou even more now

coderlan

2009-09-06, 01:31

I love Kyou so It was excitingly to watch this episode, I'm really happy they have it.

Haak

2009-09-06, 05:14

^ Lol. You really do like Kyou *points to sig*

coderlan

2009-09-06, 06:39

Yes I obviously am.

miroku2192

2009-09-06, 07:52

^ Lol. You really do like Kyou *points to sig*

and the avatar!

Both are such good pics :P

Haak

2009-09-06, 08:54

Well the sig is a bit more...suggestive...

coderlan

2009-09-06, 12:04

YEah I know, but there aren't any renders I like other than that...

@On Topic
I really can't stop watching this over and over again lol....

Tak

2009-09-06, 18:12

Well the sig is a bit more...suggestive...

Don't get me started with Tomoyo now :p

- Tak

miroku2192

2009-09-07, 21:30

Don't get me started with Tomoyo now :p

- Tak

Tony Taka - short of tomoyo - so cute. 'nuff said.

Slobodan

2009-09-10, 12:28

This was a great alternative to the main story. Gave it a rating of 9.

Compared to the other Alternate World episode, Tomoyo's Arc, this one felt more lively and original (not that I'm bashing the other one, that one was great too). Rather than accepting the whole dating thing and later love as a matter of course, here there is a bit of drama and falling-in-love. I've always felt sorry that Kyou didn't get more time in the main storyline, she's very easy to like.

Like Youhei suggested, Tomoya's one lucky bastard, living the dream of every guy. Two beautiful twins, both desperately in love with him. Aaaah. :eyespin: