View Full Version : Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 1 Discussion / Poll
chrono92
2009-07-03, 08:33
i've never touched the game but found episode 1 interesting and making me wanting for more
Anyway, great episode, I'm curious as to why the old man wants to see Beatrice smile again, why the heck Battler always wants to play with breasts, and the creepy entrance of Beatrice.
Well in the anime version it isn't explained, but for Battler's honor's sake I think it must be said that the "breast sommelier" thing is just Battler's way to joke and be friendly in his perverted way. What he's aiming for is to make the girls react.
When Shannon doesn't react at all he's somewhat shocked because that's not what he's expecting, and therefore he's actually happy that Jessica was there to stop him.
In both the manga and the visual novel there's this part:
Battler: Thank you Jessica.
Jessica: Why are you thanking me?!
MeoTwister5
2009-07-03, 09:13
Well in the anime version it isn't explained, but for Battler's honor's sake I think it must be said that the "breast sommelier" thing is just Battler's way to joke and be friendly in his perverted way. What he's aiming for is to make the girls react.
When Shannon doesn't react at all he's somewhat shocked because that's not what he's expecting, and therefore he's actually happy that Jessica was there to stop him.
In both the manga and the visual novel there's this part:
Battler: Thank you Jessica.
Jessica: Why are you thanking me?!
On the bright side, at least they didn't include Battler's... downright creepy request to Maria. Because, you know, that's just WRONG.:p
Knowledge Seeker
2009-07-03, 09:28
Wouldn't you? :D
0_0 At least you're honest, haha.
Well in the anime version it isn't explained, but for Battler's honor's sake I think it must be said that the "breast sommelier" thing is just Battler's way to joke and be friendly in his perverted way. What he's aiming for is to make the girls react.
When Shannon doesn't react at all he's somewhat shocked because that's not what he's expecting, and therefore he's actually happy that Jessica was there to stop him.
In both the manga and the visual novel there's this part:
Battler: Thank you Jessica.
Jessica: Why are you thanking me?!
Ahh, thanks for the explanation. I just kept on wondering if he was going to try to glomp every female character in the series. (Which would be awkward....haha.) To be honest, I don't see where at all this series is going, but I'm excited for it as questions keep on building up.
On the bright side, at least they didn't include Battler's... downright creepy request to Maria. Because, you know, that's just WRONG.:p
The 'eat me' one? o.o
MeoTwister5
2009-07-03, 09:41
That and the "Let me squeeze them when you're older" one. :heh:
Skullchukka
2009-07-03, 10:05
That's Kanon! Not Beatrice
Oh that is clear now with my own LCD screen. I was at work laptop (10') with a very bad RAW, and was looking at scenes randomly when I stopped there. Almost forgotten that Kanon was actually searching for Maria too before you said it. xD O' well.
The 'eat me' one? o.o
That's actually in Episode 2. The promise he makes on Episode 1 is the 'let me feel your breasts when you get older'.
That's actually in Episode 2. The promise he makes on Episode 1 is the 'let me feel your breasts when you get older'.
That would have been funny to see in the anime.... ah well. I just hope they won't solely focus on the main plot, but also the little details that gave the games their funny/sad/whatevahr moments
Change of Pace
2009-07-03, 10:53
The Ending is totally stuck in my head - yami wo kirisaku OH de~si~re - so I MP3'd both OP and ED, if anyone wants them:
OP: http://www.mediafire.com/?ojylix1dlkj
ED: http://www.mediafire.com/?mxnkjcxmnzi
Sorry if they were posted previously in the thread / if this isn't allowed!
Also, what's the names of both of these songs?
The OP is 'Katayoku no Tori' by Shikata Akiko and the ED is 'la divina tagedia ~makyoku~' by Jimang.
Lostdreams
2009-07-03, 11:19
Maria gets the most freaky little kid award, thanx to her abusive mother!!!
risingstar3110
2009-07-03, 11:47
I have to say the OP gives out a pretty promising aura (considering that i still have no idea what Umineko about yet). It give me a good chill and the song and the animation is matching quite well .....
Can't compare to Higurashi S1 OP yet (the only series that i expect would be in similar genre) as Higurashi OP getting more addictive as the story unfolded =P
I still think the game OP is far more epic than the anime one ><
Well, if I get a permission from the moderator, I will post the youtube link to it for the new viewer to compare with the anime one (The first OP or the promotional video of course, since it contain no spoiler).
lovelysan
2009-07-03, 14:25
That's actually in Episode 2. The promise he makes on Episode 1 is the 'let me feel your breasts when you get older'.
The best part of that is Maria going "Sure :D !"
achirist
2009-07-03, 15:46
I didn't really like this episode that much - I was sad they had to use the 'humor' of one character going around and randomly grabbing girls breasts, only to be assaulted in physically exaggerated ways - and really, since the violence didn't work the first time, what about talking about why it is bad/inappropriate and people won't respond well? But I have a feeling this is going to just be a running gag in every episode with nothing deeper to it.
Nope, it's not even a gag. Jan-Poo explained it earlier for the anime viewers:
Well in the anime version it isn't explained, but for Battler's honor's sake I think it must be said that the "breast sommelier" thing is just Battler's way to joke and be friendly in his perverted way. What he's aiming for is to make the girls react.
When Shannon doesn't react at all he's somewhat shocked because that's not what he's expecting, and therefore he's actually happy that Jessica was there to stop him.
In both the manga and the visual novel there's this part:
Battler: Thank you Jessica.
Jessica: Why are you thanking me?!
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 16:17
Well, there must be a lil humor here and there in a while, and seeing as most females (if not all) have huge boobs I guess it was the most efficient way they could make some funny parts.
Actually there were some funny parts in the VN that weren't perverted. Especially in the later arks but I think they were cut
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 16:50
Oh well, at least I have one person to hate from the 1st episode. That b1tch Eva!
Poor fellows they are all hated since the first episode
Maria, Eva...who's next xD? Rosa, Jessica, just who?
I'm still watinting for the first time viewers to come up with pairs xDD I want to know what they root for, I love it when people (sometimes me inculded) start thinking about who to pair up without any character devolpment done yet. The funniest pairs come out of that
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 16:58
I don't really hate Maria, she got what was coming to her, so that calmed me down XD.
But Eva was downright annoying, and I could say the same about Natsu's husband.. what kind of man is he if he can't even stand up for his wife. Yeah I guess I hate him too now.
I did like Rosa though. She seems pretty normal. I think anyone would have done that to Maria, so yeah, she's normal.
Dude, I would never beat the crap out of a 9yr old girl :O
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 17:04
Considering how she acted.... I dunno... I would at least think about it :D
Klashikari
2009-07-03, 17:04
I did like Rosa though. She seems pretty normal. I think anyone would have done that to Maria, so yeah, she's normal.I beg to differ, but regardless how someone is taking care of a child, using violence is "hardly" normal. I've seen much worse tantrum IRL, but I didn't see a flat out violence like this.
There are a lot more efficient methods to calm a child, and the fact Maria doesn't get it when Rosa yell her to stop pretty much implies Rosa didn't manage several times this kind of things. Education is at fault here.
Considering how she acted.... I dunno... I would at least think about it :D
That is certainly the worst way to make a child stop: using violence and fear is detrimental to the child psyche and growth (especially before puberty): that's actually the best way to make one's childhood miserable and a very troublesome and rebellous adolescence.
Krauss got under corssfire, too xD But hey isn't it beter to sent Natsuhi away instead of making more fuss out of it?
And no, I wouldn't have beaten Maria for her "uu" sound, it was annoying, but beating your own daughter who's nine years old is abit harsh. And yes Maria was stubborn but if childs are stubborn beating isn't they way to raise them properly.
But ehm guys...was it even said that Natsuhi and Krauss are Jessi's parants maybe I overread that part in the subs?
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 17:11
I beg to differ, but regardless how someone is taking care of a child, using violence is "hardly" normal. I've seen much worse tantrum IRL, but I didn't see a flat out violence like this.
There are a lot more efficient methods to calm a child, and the fact Maria doesn't get it when Rosa yell her to stop pretty much implies Rosa didn't manage several times this kind of things. Education is at fault here.
That is certainly the worst way to make a child stop: using violence and fear is detrimental to the child psyche and growth (especially before puberty): that's actually the best way to make one's childhood miserable and a very troublesome and rebellous adolescence.
That doesn't mean it is Rosa's fault. A 4th grader child should know when to stop, especially if yelled at. The fact that she didn't stop even after being told(yelled) several times means she's stubborn. Not only her education is at fault here, but also herself.
Also you can see she's damn stubborn, by staying there even after she got what came to her.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support child violence XD.. but there are times when it's the only way xd...
It's not in the nature of humans to be stubborn, it's they were educated, means Rosa is at fault. And of course she stays there because of a reason that wasn't said in ANime episode
Didn't Rosa told her to stay there, after beating her. She only did was she was told.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 17:16
It's not in the nature of humans to be stubborn, it's they were educated, means Rosa is at fault. And of course she stays there because of a reason that wasn't said in ANime episode
Didn't Rosa told her to stay there, after beating her. She only did was she was told.
Actually Rosa did tell her in the anime to stay there and look for it herself (the rose). So don't worry, it was told =P.
Klashikari
2009-07-03, 17:17
That doesn't mean it is Rosa's fault. A 4th grader child should know when to stop, especially if yelled at. The fact that she didn't stop even after being told(yelled) several times means she's stubborn. Not only her education is at fault here, but also herself.
That is absolutely not a golden rule. As everyone noticed, Maria still went on her tantrum even after the yells. Considering Rosa reactions and comments, it is an absolute proof that it is a rinse and repeat. Which means: Maria has no other choice BUT to continue. Ergo, that means she has only THAT way to demonstrate how discontent she is, even if that way will infuriate her mother. By this extension, it also mean there is ALREADY a problem with the child's psyche due to the education.
A child development has a lot of layers, and if something goes wrong and that child still go against the usual "orders", it isn't about personality etc, but development.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support child violence XD.. but there are times when it's the only way xd...And this is where I disagree: NEVER, and I mean it, NEVER violence is the "only solution left in certain case". That is plainly wrong. There are always several ways to deal with a child. Saying violence is the last resort or the only option is a flat out misconception. Violence against children should NEVER be an option.
Oh, my bad. I should read the subs again sometime soon. but you see, then it's Rosa's fault for saying to her daughter from which she knows that she will do so to saty in the rain. And I agree with Klashikari.
We're *this* close to a child abuse discussion. Let's call it quits now.
Anyway, I also noticed Kinzo's mouth animation being way off. Like they do with those Canadians from South Park, just 'up & down'. Pretty lazy.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 17:28
Well you can't really say it was something that will affect her psyche in a huge way.
It wasn't a brutal beating, or the likes, I've seen worse in other anime or real life.
It was 2 slaps, so I don't think it will/would affect her so much. At least Rosa felt sorry for it, so it seems she had no other option at hand. I mean... what could have been done in that part? If you'd ask her nicely and she wouldn't stop >_> ...
Anyway, like it or not, it's still a part of child development. It's not supposed to happen? Sure. But it still does..
We're *this* close to a child abuse discussion. Let's call it quits now.
Yeah, you're right xd.
At least Rosa felt sorry for it, so it seems she had no other option at hand. I mean... what could have been done in that part?
Clearly she was suppose to go to a phone, make some calls and fly in Doctor Phil on a helicopter so he could resolve this. And yes you're right abuse like this happens and was probably more accepted during the time period Umineko was set in compared to now.
Klashikari
2009-07-03, 17:45
I will tweek the discussion slightly more on Maria's case, but anyway.
Well you can't really say it was something that will affect her psyche in a huge way.
Being a VN player myself, you are really tempting me. *cough*
That said: I believe it is quite the opposite: it did. The simple fact Maria increases her UU UU despite Rosa is yelling points big time a problem in development already.
To begin with, Rosa didn't even care why Maria was acting like this and directly wanted her to stop the Uu uu. As result Maria starts being more whiny exactly because her own mother fails to see her problem.
And we got the vicious circle as result.
It wasn't a brutal beating, or the likes, I've seen worse in other anime or real life.I beg to differ, but a beating that isn't "worse" than what you could see doesn't mean it is anything right. To begin with, I don't think slapping to the point of pushing back the child and going on again is anything "non brutal".
It was 2 slaps, so I don't think it will/would affect her so much. At least Rosa felt sorry for it, so it seems she had no other option at hand. I mean... what could have been done in that part? If you'd ask her nicely and she wouldn't stop >_> ...Sure, 2 slaps... and considering her behaviour, what guarantee she didn't do that on several occasions? Considering how fast she slapped Maria, it certainly looked that way.
And you know what would be one of the best solution? hugging maria, explaining about how the rose might have disappeared etc. Children aren't dumb and even if Maria was shown too innocent, this episode also has shown that Maria CAN listen, if words are used properly.
Was Maria annoying? Probably. Was a beating necessary? nope, nowhere close to this.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-03, 18:16
Sure more Maria talk. So she'll be hated even more :P
Being a VN player myself, you are really tempting me. *cough*
That said: I believe it is quite the opposite: it did. The simple fact Maria increases her UU UU despite Rosa is yelling points big time a problem in development already.
To begin with, Rosa didn't even care why Maria was acting like this and directly wanted her to stop the Uu uu. As result Maria starts being more whiny exactly because her own mother fails to see her problem.
Well I haven't played the VN, so I don't really know how much it did affect her in the show (if it did). But Rosa did know that she was looking for that rose, which I guess was her problem at the time, so you can't say Rosa failed to see it. But the usage of that extended ~uu didn't make any difference nor did it help in any way. What could she prove to her mother by constantly doing that? At least Rosa showed enough interest in her problem to come up there and assist. I still blame this whole part on Maria and her stubbornness.
I beg to differ, but a beating that isn't "worse" than what you could see doesn't mean it is anything right. To begin with, I don't think slapping to the point of pushing back the child and going on again is anything "non brutal".
I didn't say it was right =P.
Sure, 2 slaps... and considering her behavior, what guarantee she didn't do that on several occasions? Considering how fast she slapped Maria, it certainly looked that way.
Well there's no guarantee she DID that before at all. It could have been a simple "reflex" caused by the intense atmosphere of the moment. After all, she was pretty stressed already from the chatter with her siblings, and Maria's ~uu and stubbornness didn't help at all. It may have been even unintentional. A sudden move made because of the inability to think straight at the moment.
And you know what would be one of the best solution? hugging maria, explaining about how the rose might have disappeared etc. Children aren't dumb and even if Maria was shown too innocent, this episode also has shown that Maria CAN listen, if words are used properly.
You gotta think of all possibilities here. What if that wouldn't have worked either? Being stubborn is one thing, being stupid is another :P.Well the beating didn't work either, but at least it built drama, so it was good for the episode.
As for a case like this in real life, it could have ended either way, depends on character.
Squirrellord
2009-07-03, 18:21
lol, I think you're fighting an uphill battle here, Yami~
Rosa's a love or hate character. It's unfortunate that most people all fall on the side you're not :heh:
milkypink
2009-07-03, 18:31
It doesn't even matter if you LIKE Maria or not - striking her was not the correct option. Yes, the Uu~ uu~ was annoying, and Rosa's frustrated, but the violence is not getting the point across anyway! When hit, Maria does not stop saying it, which means the punishment is ineffective. The fact that Rosa says "haven't I told you many times before to not say that?!" makes it clear that this is an ongoing issue between the two of them that they've not really figured out a good way to resolve.
Yes, it's difficult being a single mother. Yes, Maria may have other issues that make her not very receptive to "normal" methods of discipline/education (not including physical violence in this here, btw), however, this doesn't make it okay to cross that line. It might have even been acceptable in the 1980s in Japan to beat children (although Battler's reaction leads me to think not so much...) but that still doesn't make it right.
I'm just glad Rosa walked away when she did... :heh:
Klashikari
2009-07-03, 18:36
Well I haven't played the VN, so I don't really know how much it did affect her in the show (if it did). But Rosa did know that she was looking for that rose, which I guess was her problem at the time, so you can't say Rosa failed to see it. But the usage of that extended ~uu didn't make any difference nor did it help in any way. What could she prove to her mother by constantly doing that? At least Rosa showed enough interest in her problem to come up there and assist. I still blame this whole part on Maria and her stubbornness.
That wasn't my point. What I said is that Rosa failed to see the point of Maria's behaviour. Sure, Uu Uu was annoying for her at the given time, and?
Although it is normal to ask someone to stop something annoying, escalating it while the said person is STILL discontent doesn't help at all. To the contrary, it will make the person even more upset.
That is why I believe Rosa is much more at fault here: she wanted the Uu Uu to be stopped instead of resolving Maria's rose issue. If she didn't go berserk at that point and rather explained calmly about the rose, Maria would stop at some point her irritation and what not. That is the scope of the problem.
It could have been a simple "reflex" caused by the intense atmosphere of the moment. After all, she was pretty stressed already from the chatter with her siblings, and Maria's ~uu and stubbornness didn't help at all. It may have been even unintentional. A sudden move made because of the inability to think straight at the moment.I'm sorry, but a reflex assume that you have the habit of doing so. You don't start slapping a kid like this if you had never done beforehand. And no, it was intentional since she KEPT going on and lashed her wrath unless she decides to back to the mansion.
Slapping by accident would have made the whole deal stop right after the fist slap. Rosa multiplied that, and even told Battler her reasons for the violence. plus, she clearly stated she asked her to stop saying Uu several times in such fashion.
Therefore, it IS intentional.
You gotta think of all possibilities here. What if that wouldn't have worked either? Being stubborn is one thing, being stupid is another :P.Well the beating didn't work either, but at least it built drama, so it was good for the episode.
As for a case like this in real life, it could have ended either way, depends on character.Please remove the theorycraft, that wasn't the point. The fact Rosa didn't even try was the real matter. There was no guarantee that Maria would be tamed like this, but at least it would be possible. Lashing on her obviously wouldn't go anywhere.
The fact a method can fail to bear fruits doesn't mean you shouldn't even bother with it. Therefore, the fact Maria could still pulls her tantrum even after trying to calm her doesn't mean that method would always fail or doesn't worth it. To the contrary, forsaking it is an absolute blunder.
Built drama? That's for us, the spectators. I'm talking about the scope of the characters, that's it.
MeoTwister5
2009-07-03, 19:58
I won't comment anything more on the Rosa discussion, but I believe that anime viewers should reevaluate their opinion of Rosa say in the middle of the succeeding arc.
ClockWorkAngel
2009-07-03, 20:05
Child abuse isn't right, EVER. There are better ways to deal with it. I'm sure that in other animes, mangas, media etc, there were worst forms of abuse (Elfenlied comes to mind for one particular character) but it doesn't make this form abuse any more acceptable or bad. Rosa is hurting Maria, when she doesn't need to. Sure it works for a while, but it doesn't solve the problem, it simply pushes it aside for a moment.
Child abuse isn't right
A slap? Child abuse? Geez, kids these days are sissies I tell you, next thing you know parents won't be able to give a good spank to their kids any longer. Granted, I'm with you that Rosa wasn't exactly the best possible way to deal with the situation given that they were entering a vicious cycle, but there are situations when a good spanking is one o the few available solutions. (or for example, how do you explain your 3 year old kid that playing with the the gas stove isn't the best possible idea?)
momobunny
2009-07-03, 20:34
This discussion is becoming less and less about the episode itself and more about child abuse. ^^;
First Episode was good.
Viewers *ahem* yes...Visual Novel readers *cough* are expecting a tad too much.
I think i can see where the studio is coming from. Its a rushed introduction and I believed they accepted it. The introductions in Legend of the golden witch werent that in depth anyways.
What i thought the studio was doing, was to skim through all the less-in-depth introductions now and come back to it in chapter 2 and so on. Wont be surprised if a full Eva introduction came in only at Banquet of the golden witch.
Even still, the stage has been set pretty nicely for all the mystery elements. Beatrice's shadowed appearance and Maria's performance in the garden was nicely done. Most probably would give first time viewers the thought, similar to higurashi, "Whats going to happen next?".
Loved the music from the opening and ending. The only opening scene i didnt really liked was them featuring too much on Shannon at the end. (Is this some kind of hint to VN readers?) I couldnt make out anything from the aquarium turning red... =.= Ending was simple and empty. Quite creepy too.
Overall 8/10 XD The next episode would be one of the most important nyeh~ Zts ftw.
Edit: was just wondering... maybe they should change the opening scenes every chapter... To include more people.
@hodil
They probably focused on that scene because the first part of the anime (12,13 eps~) will only cover Episode 1 and 2.. I guess they'll make a new OP after that..
@luizf
Heh. poor Kanon has no screen time =(
Saerianne
2009-07-03, 21:17
I think they'll take scenes out and fill them with the characters from Banquet and Alliance. The thing I didn't like with the opening was the start where they do all the crazy stuff on beato's portrait.
A slap? Child abuse? Geez, kids these days are sissies I tell you, next thing you know parents won't be able to give a good spank to their kids any longer. Granted, I'm with you that Rosa wasn't exactly the best possible way to deal with the situation given that they were entering a vicious cycle, but there are situations when a good spanking is one o the few available solutions. (or for example, how do you explain your 3 year old kid that playing with the the gas stove isn't the best possible idea?)
lol.. my parents are old fashioned too. They have my thanks for actively contributing to this healthy butt. :heh:
In regards to Rosa, she seemed distracted and upset already. The annoying Uu-ing only contributed to the esalation of her annoyance. She is not a bad parent. Not even close.
chronotrig
2009-07-03, 22:23
lol.. my parents are old fashioned too. They have my thanks for actively contributing to this healthy butt. :heh:
In regards to Rosa, she seemed distracted and upset already. The annoying Uu-ing only contributed to the esalation of her annoyance. She is not a bad parent. Not even close.
I'll agree that there are parents who are much worse than the Rosa you've seen so far.
Still, hitting your daughter because you're annoyed doesn't show up in any parenting books I've seen.
Deathkillz
2009-07-03, 22:28
A slap? Child abuse? Geez, kids these days are sissies I tell you, next thing you know parents won't be able to give a good spank to their kids any longer. Granted, I'm with you that Rosa wasn't exactly the best possible way to deal with the situation given that they were entering a vicious cycle, but there are situations when a good spanking is one o the few available solutions. (or for example, how do you explain your 3 year old kid that playing with the the gas stove isn't the best possible idea?)
HAHA...completely agree (especially the first part). Getting a proper spanking at times is the only way a healthy kid can grow up but that is only if they learn a lesson from it or are even explained why they are spanked. Child abuse is always a term human rights people do to piss parents off who are trying to teach their kids. However, this doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who do abuse their kids. Rosa's display of anger here gave me more of an impression that she was beating Maria out of frustration and stress rather than honestly disciplining her daughter. She clearly crossed the line.
*Sigh* Further proof that going from reading VN/Light novel -> watching anime is never as good as it is the other way around(anime->VN/Light novel). Although for some reason this doesn't apply to manga->anime though.
So looking forward to this show, only to feel pretty meh, about it. Although I do like the non-deformed portrayals.
Jerseykid
2009-07-03, 23:55
So many characters to remember
Was waiting for subs. -_-a
Had to watch this while opening the Tips page, they slammed the characters at you, :heh:
OP/ED got me shivering a few times.
The episode, well.. I got what I wanted. The craving to understand more. A lot more.
Good sign, in my book.
I was expecting a S1 higurashi like preview, though.
I'll agree that there are parents who are much worse than the Rosa you've seen so far.
Still, hitting your daughter because you're annoyed doesn't show up in any parenting books I've seen.
It's a little difficult to empathize here from looking from the outside. I know parents who have children at that age will be able to empathize with her situation. Parents who are dealing with their children 24/7 have different perspective of any situation their children are involved with. It is also possible that Rosa had been bullied at some point in her life, or she is being bullied currently, so the idea that her daughter is going through similar problem may also have contributed to this outburst of her temper. However, I do agree that Rosa could have very easily handled this situation a bit differently.
A big LOL at the parenting book reference. :p
IfritTower
2009-07-04, 00:46
My friend watched this episode without reading Umineko at all before this and he was very intrigued by it. I'll take that as a good sign!:D The only real thing that he didn't understand was how everyone was related. But to be fair, the anime kinda didn't mention a lot of family relations. He gave it a solid 8/10.
i did not read it before, after watching this eps, i cannot make out what genre is this
at first i thought it is the serial murder in mansion/island type... now i am not sure
and the main lead does not look a likable guy
Christen
2009-07-04, 01:16
i did not read it before, after watching this eps, i cannot make out what genre is this
at first i thought it is the serial murder in mansion/island type... now i am not sure
and the main lead does not look a likable guy
Just give it a few more episodes. Battler's character will eventually be developed as well.
risingstar3110
2009-07-04, 01:36
Watched the Ep 1 at last. First timer here, and so far Ep 1 gives a positive aura
Unless it skipped out lots of important contents from the novel, the EP by itself is not as rushed as people claimed. Beatrice seems to be (and is) the center of the EP, and the flow seems smoother when minor details are "temporarily" brushed aside (even if it's gonna becomes really important later).
I admit i won't remember all the characters , but i think it's better to let character initial introduction to be quick, and get focused as we process, than providing too many information as one. Problem is can't remember any character name yet except the witch and Battler because his name sound like Ushiromiya Battle xD
I believe my comments are quite neutral here(since some ppl want to hear from one), as even Umineko is a "successor" of Higurashi, a series i really like, i believe that two master pieces rarely is created by same author. The influence of Umineko popularity also do not affect me much as Suzumiya Haruhi is still the biggest hit of the season for me. Then Haruhi to me is a completely different genre so i don't really care if Umineko will "steal" any popularity
MeoTwister5
2009-07-04, 01:37
Are we allowed to list down the familial relationships between the characters or is that a spoiler? I've actually had someone PM asking if I knew for some reason.
Well I think those are well explained in the "TIPS (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82558)" thread, every spoiler there is under "spoiler" tag. However it's probably better if right now people that have never played the VN will stop at the second post. Until then however it's perfectly fine to read.
Saerianne
2009-07-04, 01:48
They overdid Battler's pervyness in that 1st ep. XD You'll see him develop, as Christen said. It is a horror genre.
At the Maria/Rosa conversations, its only the first episode. You'll see eventually what Rosa and Maria are both like. :)
risingstar3110
2009-07-04, 01:56
While the OP was great, it give a sense of killer lolies all over the place xD
Whether it try to trick the audience or not, make me try to watch out every Maria's action.
Like when Battler say "My cousin Maria is pure and cute", i was like "Cute? She is probably hiding a cleaver in her bag, and go L4 on you by the end of the series" ^^
May the underrated umineko bounce above Haruhi Suzumiya. :joke:
Beatrice bless us.
Cant wait for the next episode seriously...
MeoTwister5
2009-07-04, 02:04
While the OP was great, it give a sense of killer lolies all over the place xD
Whether it try to trick the audience or not, make me try to watch out every Maria's action.
Like when Battler say "My cousin Maria is pure and cute", i was like "Cute? She is probably hiding cleaver in her bag, and go L4 on you by the end of the series" ^^
I'd actually advise to not and think of this as Higurashi V2.0 because it isn't, for reasons of course I'm not allowed to state.:D
risingstar3110
2009-07-04, 02:12
I'd actually advise to not and think of this as Higurashi V2.0 because it isn't, for reasons of course I'm not allowed to state.:D
Just a parody, parody.... =D
I means if the author don't want us to refer to Higurashi once in a while when watching Umineko, then he has not stuck the series with "....no Naku Koro Ni".
Saerianne
2009-07-04, 02:17
Just a parody, parody.... =D
I means if the author don't want us to refer to Higurashi once in a while when watching Umineko, then he has not stuck the series with "....no Naku Koro Ni".
It's got 'no naku koro ni' because it's the 3rd game in the When they cry series. You probably knew that, but it's nothing like Higurashi.
Although, a certain someone did make a reference or two to the game, didn't they? Haha!
risingstar3110
2009-07-04, 02:44
OK, new discussion: should they not showing Beatrice in the OP of ep 1 and let the audience wondering about the actual existence of Beatrice until it need to be revealed?
I means surely we have avatar and signature all around the forum to know that a character like her exist. But for those who have no experience at all, the only indication of her actual existence in Ep 1(other than from a "mad" old man, and a "silly" kid) come from the OP.
So her sudden appearing (as the anime expected us to think that's her) behind Maria make us wondering more of "Why she appear now? what is her motive?" rather than " Oh s***, does witches really exist? Or is it an imposter with unknown motives?"
MeoTwister5
2009-07-04, 02:48
The OP doesn't necessarily prove that she exists or not. It only gives a What If scenario since you get a lot of references to her in the first episode as well as the protrait of what she looks like.
I personally think they shouldn't have shown that shape, but mind this: it doesn't mean that what you saw there is Beatrice, even people who played all the 4 VN cannot answer that question.
MeoTwister5
2009-07-04, 02:55
I personally think they shouldn't have shown that shape, but mind this: it doesn't mean that what you saw there is Beatrice, even people who played all the 4 VN cannot answer that question.
LOL we're getting into really big spoiler territory here. Let's let everyone else speculate on this instead.:p
risingstar3110
2009-07-04, 03:01
More mysterious then: the character who should not exist, may exist, but in an existence that unsure to be herself :D
Great, i'm hoping that i won't be able to expect what's coming (so far had several guesses at killer lolies, family ancient grudge, and natural disaster) ^^
LOL we're getting into really big spoiler territory here. Let's let everyone else speculate on this instead.:p
No it's not, that shape is indistinct so you can't really reach any conclusion from that, and it's not a mystery either that so far there's only been a "question" arc.
MeoTwister5
2009-07-04, 03:49
Are we talking about the OP or the person carrying the umbrella behind Maria? The OP is debatable depending on how you want the series to be upfront. For the umbrella scene I mean come on, from a purely visual POV of looking at the ribbon on her front and all the frills on the clothes the visual form of this person can only be one figure. What I mean by spoiler is the essence behind this scene, because debating whether or not this person if REALLY who we think it is is major spoiler material.
I sure hope the characters will grow on me. Because there's such a large cast, they obviously wanted to give everyone some screen time, which doesn't really give me any chance to like a certain character.
I'll come back to this in a few more episodes, I guess.
this was a great ep... i really enjoyed it and can't wait for more
that sound that Maria kept making kind of got annoying... it was kind of cute at first but that scene where she went nuts making the sound as her mother slapped her was too much... lol
Opening: Overall excellent. There were a few points where the animation seemed too weak for a strong point in the lyrics, and vice-versa. But it was good overall. I love the song itself; good lyrics, and the singer has a good voice. I also like how it keeps the hint of the original song used in the games hidden in there (the chanting and little tune in the song). The very first bit of the OP is one of the best parts, as it shows the Beatrice portrait and zooms in on a few parts with a dramatic effect. The part where the characters flash out of the darkness very quickly is in time with the music, so that was good too. Possibly my favorite part from the OP, however, is the scene where Maria is shown standing in front of the mansion. It then zooms in on the bottom half of her face, as it switches from a blank expression to an insane smile in silence and a gray tone. It gave off a very eerie feeling. (Although I believe it's yet another thing that makes Maria's role too obvious, but that's a different story.) I also like how Beatrice is shown standing there, and then she bursts into a cloud of golden butterflies and flies away. The very ending is also amazing, where the red-toned screen shows Beatrice and Battler facing each other...it's hard to describe, but it's just...interesting.
Ending: EPIC WIN. Seriously, epic win. The chessboard scene at the beginning was awesome, and the way it kept spinning fit really well with the music. Another good effect was how the one-winged eagle was shown as soon as the music dropped for a second. All the effects are awesome! I also love the voice, the random evil laugh, and the random English thrown in. The lyrics are amazing! Probably the best anime ending I've ever seen! But the end of the ending was very impressive, how it shows two empty chairs in a room, then it zooms in to show part of Beatrice, then part of Battler, then the two are sitting in the chairs that were previously shown. Incredible ending.
Animation: The animation was a bit...akward...at parts, but it was good overall. I especally loved the animation whenever someone would have an angry expression, or the animation overall through the rose garden scene. It's good enough that it can convey the emotion that it's supposed to, and that's what's important. Very different from any of the Higurashi styles, which is good. (Although, in my opinion, I would've liked to see the Umineko characters in Higurashi Kai's style.) The effects are excellent, too. It's fast, new, and pretty cool!
Voice Acting: All the voices were pretty good (except Kinzo's, it sounds weird). I kinda wish that some of Higurashi's voice actors weren't shared with Umineko, because now I can't stop thinking of Miyo from Higurashi everytime I hear Eva's voice. Battler's is a little deeper than I imagined, and Jessica's should be a little higher. My favorite voices would have to be Rosa's and Maria's; they were just how I imagined them. But they were good, and went well with the animation whenever a character was angry or sad (unlike the English version of Higurashi...*shudders*).
Sound: I liked the background music; it all fit well with the situations. The sound effects were also good, especally when Battler first noticed the Beatrice painting. They were good at delivering the emotion of the whole scene. I don't like how it was censored when Eva was yelling at Natsuhi, though. I mean, why would they censor that? It wasn't even a cuss word, and it aired at 1:30 in the morning! As if any kids would be up then to watch it! Anyways... Not much to say about it, but the BGM and SE were very good, overall.
Plot: As MANY other people have already said, it was rushed. While a few others have gone on and on about it being very rushed, it actually wasn't that bad. Sure, they left out a few scenes, but it still makes sense at this point. As far as I can see now, someone who's completely new to the world of Umineko should be just fine watching the anime, even without reading the sound novel or game. It got to the point, although I think a few parts could've used a little more description. While a lot happened in this episode (about equal to everything that happened in the first manga volume), the entire arc (equal to the first game) is confirmed to be five episodes, so the pace will have to slow down once the drama really starts. I expect that the plot and pace will improve greatly, so we'll just wait and see. For now, it's excellent.
Characters: The character designs are excellent, and the anime seems to have kept to their original personalities. I'm glad that they kept Maria's uu~ noise; it's like a trademark for her! (It's also the new nipah~ *is shot*) Not much to say at this point, but so far, so good!
Relation to Game and Manga: Never played the game. But I've read the manga. The anime has obviously skipped a few scenes, but nothing too major. It seems to stay true to the original story!
Overall: EXCELLENT. One of the best anime I've ever seen, and it's already competing with Higurashi for my favorite. I definately recommend it for any Higurashi fan, or anyone in general. Sure, the first episode's kinda slow, but it can only get better, right? I give it a 9/10!
Usami_Haru
2009-07-04, 07:09
I don't like how it was censored when Eva was yelling at Natsuhi, though. I mean, why would they censor that? It wasn't even a cuss word, and it aired at 1:30 in the morning! As if any kids would be up then to watch it! actually the beeping sound where from the RAW and not on the TV if I remember right the subbed ver dosnt have any beep sound.
Watched the sub with a friend of mine who doesn't really like anime (is a big higurashi fan though and has watched death note as well). As a non VN-player he didn't thought the episode was rushed (the introduction of the characters aside) and felt like he grabbed the plot. The only thing I had to explain afterwards was the ushiromiya crest thingy, and the character relations in the ingame tips.
Nice contrast to other opinions here: He likes Maria and was very angry when Rosa hit her. ;_;
First time viewer with no expectations here.
I found it sort of funny how they deconstructed the "cute girl with trademark noise" thing that seems popular nowadays by making it clear that she's very annoying and probably has developmental problems, given her age. Whether my sympathy lies with her or her mother remains to be seen (it was clearly a very tense time for the family what with the money thing and accusations being thrown around).
Also, it didn't feel particularly rushed. I suppose we might be missing something, but those gaps weren't noticeable. Introducing a large cast quickly is a pretty common narrative technique. We'll figure out who these people are as they become important.
As for Beatrice, I don't think the anime made it seem like she really exists, as an earlier post implied it might have. It's all very mysterious right now, and rather than thinking that she exists we don't know what to think. Maria seems pretty crazy, so I don't feel like her word should be taken at face value, and there are plenty of people to be walking around the estate with umbrellas.
Overall: EXCELLENT. One of the best anime I've ever seen, and it's already competing with Higurashi for my favorite. I definately recommend it for any Higurashi fan, or anyone in general. Sure, the first episode's kinda slow, but it can only get better, right? I give it a 9/10!
At this point Umineko has nothing on Higurashi.
How can it already compete with your favorite after seeing one episode?
Overall: EXCELLENT. One of the best anime I've ever seen, and it's already competing with Higurashi for my favorite. I definately recommend it for any Higurashi fan, or anyone in general. Sure, the first episode's kinda slow, but it can only get better, right? I give it a 9/10!
Hoy can you compare 2 seasons of Higurashi + OVA to one episode of Umineko?
At least wait until the first arc is finished ^^
That person read the manga right? So he know of it will go on. But I agree with you guys, you should wait with your judging till we come to the more awesome parts of the series
As someone who has done everything humanly possible to avoid any of the VNs, mangas, forum discussions, and spoilers, I'm essentially jumping into this series with almost no expectations other than comparing it to Higurashi.
This was an introductionary episode plan and simple. The usage of displaying the characters' names and briefly explaining their relationships to each other, rather than developing their characters over time, suggests to me that people are going to start dieing real quick and that their deaths play more of a role moving the story forward than would otherwise be the case.
I had no issues with the pacing. Walking into this I knew that there were going to be some mystery elements and some of the best mysteries out there are known to have a slow start as they build up. The sole purpose of this episode was to introduce a very large cast. I expect the fleshing out of the characters and their relationships to occur over time. So I'm not too worried that the first episode didn't start off with a bang but make no mistake, the first episode didn't really have any major attention grabbers other than the creepy aura surrounding Maria and Beatrice.
Had I not known about Umineko's relation to Higurashi, I would say that after viewing the first ep. it would have been a wait and let's see situation.
By the way, we, the VN reader, haven't properly greet the new visitor (new/first time viewer of the Anime), have we? Shall we give some more introduction and advice for watching Umineko?
Anyway, for all newcomers here,
Welcome to Rokkenjima of 4th October 1986.
We wish you will enjoy your stay here, as the events continue. Please sit comfortably and drink some fine tea we have prepared. You will not regret staying here.
PS. For those who wish to watch the original OP from the game, here are the youtube links:
OP1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xWvRQN6dOY
Promotional Video (I think)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU-ELGLsPGw
If the MOD think it's not appropriate please delete this PS.
MeoTwister5
2009-07-04, 11:19
And as an extension to what Alaya posted, feel free to ask any questions you have about the story through the PM system if you feel that the question is a potential spoiler that doesn't fit the anime threads, or if you feel that wading through the game threads have too many spoilers to risk.
The VN players should be more than happy to answer any questions you may have, bear in mind of course that you should really indicate in your questions if you like a spoiler-free answer or a detailed spoiler one, lest one of us accidentally spoil you on something.:heh:
So please put yourselves at ease.
There is nothing truly difficult to think about.
Try to understand and accept the events that happen.
That is all that is asked of you, of us.
Shall we begin with the easy road?
(<-- Hopes Klash doesn't gut him alive for paraphrasing his lines :heh:)
B
PS. For those who wish to watch the original OP from the game, here are the youtube links:
OP1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xWvRQN6dOY
Promotional Video (I think)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU-ELGLsPGw
The original OP might actually be better at providing a sense of foreboding with a nice bit of bloodshed. It certainly did a better job of grabbing my attention than the anime OP did.
I'm not a VN player.
I like the anime OP better. Too many use of words within the animation in the game OP would be considered "lazy animation" by some anime fans imo. Anime OP is also timed perfectly with the OP song imo. Now the anime ED is awesome.
Maria's uuu is rather annoying but Rosa crossed the line and she knew it. Kudos for the anime showing Rosa's regret for slapping Maria.
I loved the first episode. Sure there were a lot of characters introduced in the first episode but the relationship cheat sheet is in the TIPs section to review when problems arise. :heh:
The original OP is one of the major reasons I decide to play Umineko no Naku Koro Ni visual novel. The OP might not have good animation but as it only made by doujin group, it's quality is good enough.
And yeah, I really like the game OP music. For me it is far more epic than the anime one. Maybe it's because of the feeling when I played the game for the first time too.
And I would admit that since the first time I watched the game OP, I really wish that it will be animated by professional animator. For many times, I imagine how epic it would be when Kinzo scream for the smile of Beatrice, and then look up on the stormy night sky and cut into well animated OP version of the game OP and music.
PS. The texts in both OP from the game are from the Epitaph of the Portrait.
I'm not a VN player.
I like the anime OP better. Too many use of words within the animation in the game OP would be considered "lazy animation" by some anime fans imo. Anime OP is also timed perfectly with the OP song imo. Now the anime ED is awesome.
Maria's uuu is rather annoying but Rosa crossed the line and she knew it. Kudos for the anime showing Rosa's regret for slapping Maria.
I loved the first episode. Sure there were a lot of characters introduced in the first episode but the relationship cheat sheet is in the TIPs section to review when problems arise. :heh:
Honestly, Umineko's lazy animation and graphics is one of the things that made the VN so unique for me. Because it relies on the story and the (amazing) sountrack, and not on clean artwork and cute character designs.
It is one of my favorite Visual Novels ever, and it competes against many others I've played before whose graphics are 100x more appealing.
Also, I think that the game OP song is a lot more addicting than the anime song, even if they're both very good. I'm seconding Alaya, and say that it was also one of the main reasons why I decided to buy Umineko.
Saerianne
2009-07-04, 17:24
Even if it had bad animation, I was hooked on EP 4's opening. I couldn't stop watching it.
momobunny
2009-07-04, 18:06
It didn't have bad animation, it was basically using still sprites. Like almost all other visual novels. Relying on still images and sprites doesn't necessarily make a bad OP either.
Nor would I say that the art is lazy, Ryuu said that he doesn't have much ability when it comes to art. So even having this many sprites and pictures (that he probably had to travel for) shows that he was in no way lazy. Otherwise he could have just paid somebody else to draw the sprites or something. He made an effort.
I like the game art myself. It has a certain charm to it, like Ryu's other art.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-04, 19:31
Voice Acting: All the voices were pretty good (except Kinzo's, it sounds weird). I kinda wish that some of Higurashi's voice actors weren't shared with Umineko, because now I can't stop thinking of Miyo from Higurashi everytime I hear Eva's voice. Battler's is a little deeper than I imagined, and Jessica's should be a little higher. My favorite voices would have to be Rosa's and Maria's; they were just how I imagined them. But they were good, and went well with the animation whenever a character was angry or sad (unlike the English version of Higurashi...*shudders*).
Well, as being one of the few supporters of the english Higu dub, I can tell you that it isn't so bad. Actually the voices are not bad at all. There are some parts where the english voice acting is superior to the original japanese one, parts where the english cast does a great job portraying the characters emotions through speech. I know you won't agree, but it usually is like this: if you've seen the anime in japanese, then the english dub sounds terrible to you (and in most cases it is terrible too). That's how it usually is. But thankfully Higu is one of the few anime out there with a pretty good english dub, at least in my opinion.
Also I like Shion's laughter more in the english version. xd
As for Umineko's voice cast.. Well it sounded okay to me. Don't think Jessica's voice should have a higher pitch, she's 18, so I guess her voice is okay like that. Also Kinzo's voice is pretty nice too, and I think it suits him well :P.
all the stuff about Maria in the last post
I'm gonna stop talking about that, I think I'll get hated if I continue xD.
(but I still support Rosa)
NakedAngelX
2009-07-04, 20:55
Just watched ep 1, seems soso. But maybe the plot twists will be better than Higurashi?
But the kid's crying sound annoys the hell outta me. Wanna punch her myself~~~
Also, there's a familiar sound, is the person doing Kurapica's voice in here as well?
It didn't have bad animation, it was basically using still sprites. Like almost all other visual novels. Relying on still images and sprites doesn't necessarily make a bad OP either.
Nor would I say that the art is lazy, Ryuu said that he doesn't have much ability when it comes to art. So even having this many sprites and pictures (that he probably had to travel for) shows that he was in no way lazy. Otherwise he could have just paid somebody else to draw the sprites or something. He made an effort.
It would for an animation title but not for a VN title. The characters basically don't move and the camera is panning around them. Fans can still recall Ergo Proxy's OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oT2W3gaUBc). That OP has movement including when there is a 360 degree pan shot around Vincent.
Even comparing Clannad's game OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9fXifMYoY&feature=channel_page) to anime OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zhIImKP5k) showed that more movement was done.
It's not saying that the game OP had lazy animation. It's just that an animation studio is expected to have movement and "wow" the audience with the OP and ED. If they resorted to VN techniques then, the word "lazy" or thoughts of low budget could be applied imo.
Anyway, for Kugimiya Rie's Shannon I should have expected a humbler version of her Matsudaira Touko, which is what we got. Really, I feel that Marimite's Touko was probably the best role Kugimiya has done so far, so I'm having great expectations on this :D
MeoTwister5
2009-07-05, 00:24
It would for an animation title but not for a VN title. The characters basically don't move and the camera is panning around them. Fans can still recall Ergo Proxy's OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oT2W3gaUBc). That OP has movement including when there is a 360 degree pan shot around Vincent.
Even comparing Clannad's game OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9fXifMYoY&feature=channel_page) to anime OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zhIImKP5k) showed that more movement was done.
It's not saying that the game OP had lazy animation. It's just that an animation studio is expected to have movement and "wow" the audience with the OP and ED. If they resorted to VN techniques then, the word "lazy" or thoughts of low budget could be applied imo.
Still Shots =/= Poor Quality.
momobunny
2009-07-05, 00:35
It would for an animation title but not for a VN title. The characters basically don't move and the camera is panning around them. Fans can still recall Ergo Proxy's OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oT2W3gaUBc). That OP has movement including when there is a 360 degree pan shot around Vincent.
Even comparing Clannad's game OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9fXifMYoY&feature=channel_page) to anime OP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zhIImKP5k) showed that more movement was done.
It's not saying that the game OP had lazy animation. It's just that an animation studio is expected to have movement and "wow" the audience with the OP and ED. If they resorted to VN techniques then, the word "lazy" or thoughts of low budget could be applied imo.
I wasn't arguing with that. I was arguing with people comparing the Openings and saying that the game's opening lacks animation and has "lazy" looking graphics. It's not fair to compare the two, one was done by an animation studio, and the second was done by an amateur artist. At least Ryuukishi07 went through the trouble of drawing his own characters, and like somebody else said, they have a certain charm to them.
The anime OP could have shown more. I also think that the game OP is better than it in terms of what is shown and the pace. Still images aren't horrible, but I feel that the OP could be a lot better. Look at 11eyes for example, that has a beautiful OP and the pictures don't have to be animated to make it better. If people can make amazing Opening sequences with still images, then an animation studio should be able to make an awesome OP with animated pictures OR still images.
That why's I really wish that the game OP will animated when they make Umineko anime, well at least up until the game logo shows.
I don't like how Beatrice picture is shown in the anime OP. It doesn't have mystery feeling in it. And the vocal there seems not matching so well too.
just to introduce myself. My experience with Ryukishi07's works are the higurashi anime, higurashi manga and the first chapater of higurashi. The anime is my encounter with Umineko barring the game OP found on youtube.
my thought for the episode:
1) not necessarily like the remixed version of the OP, mistakenly thought the ED was done by SH (which i loved) because of Jimang as vocal.
2) Thought the ending for the first episode was a bit flat. Personally reckon it would have a greater impact if they finish with the Epitaph and concentrate with the killing sequences. That would probably draws a bigger suspense than the supposed appearance of Beatrice which I, if not for the prior knowledge for the series of deaths, would not necessary link to the horror itself.
3) the relation between the members are not described clear enough. I actually went onto wiki (avoiding the spoilers), just to check who is related to whom in which way and so on.
4) just a side note, I first thought Kanon is female.......for some reason.......(sweat*
5) I wasn't aware of the fast pace when I first watch the episode, mainly because I was looking forward to that thrill at the end of the episode. But yeah, the SFX during the scene when the adults are giving out conditions are just....argh...
but the main point is, Umineko anime is out. I can't wait to see what mystery it had in store for the newcomers in the next few episodes. Hopefully it can execute itself well in the first arc.
Also I like Shion's laughter more in the english version. xd
Are you talking about the laugh towards the end of the those respective arcs?
I've haven't seen or heard the dubs but if Shion doesn't laugh "Kekekekekekeke"
then I would say it's inferior b/c there was symbolic meaning to that laugh.
Just like Rena's "kana kana"
Why? What's the title called?
Higurashi no Naku koro ni
オスの鳴き声は甲高く、「キキキキキ…」「ケケケケケ…」「カナカナカナ…」などと聞こえる
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%92%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B7
For those who can't read Japanese, the bold parts are
kekekeke(repeats) and kanakana(repeats) respectively are two written ways to express how higurashi cry.
I'm gonna stop talking about that, I think I'll get hated if I continue xD.
(but I still support Rosa)
At this point in the story, all the info we have on Rosa:
Rosa and all the parents are fairly stressed, b/c of their fighting and all of them have big (and I mean extremely big) financial problems. Plus being the youngest sibling she's out of the loop in the inheritance talk. Notice how she sits away from the rest of the family? Rosa is under a lot of stress. (u- u-)
gigaloki
2009-07-05, 11:19
Just watched ep 1, seems soso. But maybe the plot twists will be better than Higurashi?
But the kid's crying sound annoys the hell outta me. Wanna punch her myself~~~
Also, there's a familiar sound, is the person doing Kurapica's voice in here as well?
i wont even think doing that men... lolicons will kill yah :heh:
LOL kinzo is Charles vi Britannia losing hair xD
series started pretty wll i'll say... entirely covered 4 chapters of manga in an episode. but i say i havent gave me such impact as higurashi's 1st episode when keichii learned about the murder incident in hinamizawa. maybe just an effect of have read the manga before the anime.. feel kinda expecting the scene haha
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-07-05, 14:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNtdrcj5Q9w
Shion's english laugh... No "kekekekeke"...
Anyways... Back to Umineko. I think the anime actually can be better than higurashi. The art is very beutiful, and the voices aren't too bad either. Although Maria's crying is going to kill me... ARGH =_=''
Maria reminds me of why I don't want children =)
Thanks Maria, you lil' fluffybear :333
plzd0ntkeelme
2009-07-05, 16:20
I actually prefer the anime op than the game op. The soundtrack is just more epic and the art is more beautiful.
The first ep is pretty good, in that despite nothing really shocking happen, the characters' behaviors seem interesting enough to keep me watching the entire ep. Hopefully this will live up to Higurashi's epicness.
crazysjd89
2009-07-05, 20:57
I prefer both on differing subjects.
As far as the song goes, I like the game's more. (Although this is really close, the anime's song is really awesome too)
As far as animation goes, I like the anime's more.
I really like the red fuzz effect and clock effect in the anime opening, though I feel like the timing is a small bit off.
For those who can't read Japanese, the bold parts are
kekekeke(repeats) and kanakana(repeats) respectively are two written ways to express how higurashi cry.
So Maria's "uuu" is important. Is it related to seagulls?
So Maria's "uuu" is important. Is it related to seagulls?
Not actually. It's important but for other reason.
Anyway, seagull in Umineko has other meaning than the cicada in Higurashi.
Well the episode1 already showed that, while usually the cries of the seagulls can be heard on Rokkenjima, this time on the family conference of 1986 they are nowhere to be found.
forgot to add in one more thing. I burst out laughing when rosa scolded maria (i was just also started to feel annoyed by the bombardment, so that kind of triggered it). feel the first slap was alright, but not the second for some reason.
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-07-06, 06:31
Not actually. It's important but for other reason.
Anyway, seagull in Umineko has other meaning than the cicada in Higurashi.
It has? Because the cicada in Higurashi didn't really mean that much, did it?
Klashikari
2009-07-06, 06:34
It has? Because the cicada in Higurashi didn't really mean that much, did it?
Errr? they did. They were the symbol of summer but especially the "ephemeral life" that was plaguing every characters, especially Rika.
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-07-06, 07:01
Errr? they did. They were the symbol of summer but especially the "ephemeral life" that was plaguing every characters, especially Rika.
I never got that while playing the game. Probably cause I didn't understand 50% of all the kanji -.-' Although, what meaning do the seagull have in Umineko?
Well frankly they still have a symbolic meaning, anything more than this is just wild speculation right now. Anyway the cry of the seagulls will be often mentioned for reasons you will learn soon enough.
MeoTwister5
2009-07-06, 07:28
They're gonna be kinda upfront with how important the cries of the seagulls are eventually anyway. I'll at least say that it's importance is more than just a simple sound.
ProdigalSon
2009-07-06, 09:51
What is there significance beyond showing when the game is over..."when the segulls cry, no one remains" or however the line goes?
MeoTwister5
2009-07-06, 09:53
What is there significance beyond showing when the game is over..."when the segulls cry, no one remains" or however the line goes?
Spoilers, but if you want to know, check your PM in a few minutes.
Errr? they did. They were the symbol of summer but especially the "ephemeral life" that was plaguing every characters, especially Rika.So in other words it didn't really mean anything to the plot, it was just a metaphor.
So Maria's "uuu" is important. Is it related to seagulls?
In japanese, sea gulls cry mya mya (or nya nya)
Umi = sea
neko = cat
Apparently, someone thought they sound like cats and yes that is the etymology of the word: umineko.
To answer the question, as you see, it has no relation with "u- u-" and I would advise stopping to connect Maria with the title. The meaning of the title will be very apparent soon enough.
As to the importance of Maria, well, I'll just leave it as she is a very interesting character for the development of the story. If you're annoyed by Maria, good, Ryukishi did a good job. If you're sympathetic towards Maria, good, Ryukishi did what he set out to do.
I never got that while playing the game. Probably cause I didn't understand 50% of all the kanji -.-' Although, what meaning do the seagull have in Umineko?
:: off-topic ::
There are many ways to write Higurashi in kanji which 日暮 is one way.
It is believed this is etymology of Higurashi.
Those kanji read "day setter"
The cry of the Higurashi was symbolic b/c
1) it's the symbol of summer.
2) the end of a (fun) day
3) melancholy
It was also the point of no return for the characters in the story.
I don't recall the anime, but at least in the Sound Novel, anytime a character said the this phrase: "It'll be all over by the time the Higurashi start crying," they were set on a path of no return.
MeoTwister5
2009-07-06, 10:17
Off Topic, but I've always believed that image of the Cicada (Higurashi) had always been a symbol of hope.
At least here in South East Asia if you actually have cicada's around, they're very similar to roosters when they make their unique sound in the mornings. I associate the cicada's sound to waking up and hearing it as the first insect of the morning of a new day.
And for Higurashi that's precisely what it was: a symbolism of a new day, waking up and starting life anew. For Rika you could say it was holding on the the belief that, against all odds, she could wake up in the morning and realize it was July 1983. She would no longer have to relieve this nightmare, and that the cicadas of a new day would be the first sound she'd hear in the morning.
Well, probably this is the series that more I'll follow, and yeah Maria's u-u- were very annoying :D
But i liked the opening and the ending, and the same for the epi, i hope that on the next epi thay don't cut so many part ads for this, however i liked it so i hope for a good long series as for higurashi and for a good story, and yeah Beatrice surely rocks here :D
Off Topic, but I've always believed that image of the Cicada (Higurashi) had always been a symbol of hope.
At least here in South East Asia if you actually have cicada's around, they're very similar to roosters when they make their unique sound in the mornings. I associate the cicada's sound to waking up and hearing it as the first insect of the morning of a new day.
And for Higurashi that's precisely what it was: a symbolism of a new day, waking up and starting life anew. For Rika you could say it was holding on the the belief that, against all odds, she could wake up in the morning and realize it was July 1983. She would no longer have to relieve this nightmare, and that the cicadas of a new day would be the first sound she'd hear in the morning.
This is kinda going off topic, but I think I've read somewhere that the "higurashi" is a particular cicada that only sings at dusk, and therefore symbolizes the opposite of what you are saying.
Not sure if that's true, but I know the cicada here make a completely different sound, so they are not all the same.
Well we are clearly going off-topic here (and I'm afraid of Klash's red sword ><).
So back into our main topic (about Anime), what do new viewers expect of anime (or for episode 1)? What will you expect in the future episode that will be aired soon?
I hate to break it to you, but discussing possibilities for future episodes would also bring down Klash's red sword, as the Spoilers and Expectations thread is design for exactly the kind of discussion that you have suggested.
However, as for episode 1, I finally have something to report regarding someone who knows nothing of Umineko and it's story, but was a huge fan of the Higurashi anime. His rating was 6/10 and of course cited pacing issues like the rest of us have. Here's where it splits: he found no attachment whatsoever to the characters in the first episode, nor was he grabbed by any of the set up for the mystery to come. He's going to keep watching out of respect to Higurashi, but he was not impressed with the episode.
The biggest "ouch" was that all he took away about Battler's character is that he's obsessed with breasts. One of my fears was that people new to the story might pull this idea away from the first episode. For my friend, this seems to be the case. I'd also like to blame his somewhat negative view of the episode on the fact that he was without air conditioning at the time and had just gotten back from a hard day's work. Not the ideal viewing conditions to enjoy something.
Anyways, I hope he'll improve his opinion once more episodes air. I can keep reporting back on his views (since he is an Umineko virgin) if you all like, as I hope it adds something to the table.
...Oh one more thing, he thought Kanon was a girl.
>_<
Poor Kanon.... poor poor Kanon...and poor *beep* (I don't wanna spoiler ^^)
I hate to break it to you, but discussing possibilities for future episodes would also bring down Klash's red sword, as the Spoilers and Expectations thread is design for exactly the kind of discussion that you have suggested.
Uhmm, I specifically ask the new viewers with absolutely no experience for their expectation so VN players don't need to answer it. And I don't think the new viewers will enter the another thread because it's full of spoiler there.
Anyway, from what I read through blogs, many people expect story like Kindaichi's ones. It's good and bad at the same time for me... And some people want some supernatural in the anime and some totally detested it...
Well, as long as experienced viewers don't expand too much on expectations, that could be alright.
Here's some more from my friend (Lettuce):
3:46 PM - Moonbase: did you see any promise in the mystery at all?
3:47 PM - Lettuce: No, not really
3:47 PM - Lettuce: I didn't get much of a "mystery" feeling about it
3:48 PM - Lettuce: Ofc it "could" be promising
3:48 PM - Lettuce: But there's not much to convince me that they'll make something good out of it atm
-----
It's killing me because the story gets pretty awesome, but his outlook is so negative. :(
frankly if I was going to judge this series from the Episode1 alone (and I mean the Episode with capital E) I would think it's a good story but not the incredibly awesome story it actually is.
...Oh one more thing, he thought Kanon was a girl.It seems that's not uncommon among people who do not know anything about umineko...
Can't really blame them :E
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-06, 15:18
Well, imo, for an anime to catch you and keep you interested in it there must be at least a part of it to make you feel that way. There are a lot of things that can do that, but usually it's either the opening, some scene in the episode itself, maybe a certain character or the story. For some it could even be the animation, soundtrack or simply the anime's background.
For me it was the anime's opening, the scene with Maria and her mom and the anime's background (as I've been a higurashi fan). So it got me hooked before I even started watching it, and got me hooked even more after watching the first episode.
But if the anime doesn't appeal to you, you can't judge it yet, or mark it as non-interesting or a failure simply from watching one episode. So for the people that don't think much of it yet, wait for more episodes, because it can get better.
If I'm honest I was unsure the first time I saw him in the game. If the others didn't call him 'Kanon-kun' and Battler didn't go
"hehe, that's normal for boys' I would have tought he was girl a bit longer xDD But for me the anime version loooks more like a boy though.... strange xD
Xellos-_^
2009-07-06, 17:08
If I'm honest I was unsure the first time I saw him in the game. If the others didn't call him 'Kanon-kun' and Battler didn't go
"hehe, that's normal for boys' I would have tought he was girl a bit longer xDD But for me the anime version loooks more like a boy though.... strange xD
kanon is a boy :twitch:
Anyway my prediction of who the crimminal is
THE LOLI
it is always the loli who did it.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-06, 17:12
What criminal? No one died o_O.
If you know something, try not to spoil @_@.
Yeah, I know she looks freaky in the OP song XD.
Xellos-_^
2009-07-06, 17:22
it is a live action the it is the butler but since it is a anime it is the loli.
as for the crime the show is describe as a murder mystery kinda obvious what is coming next.
Ah come on, let's try not to become paranoid with the spoiler thing. The very presentation of the anime stated that people are going to die. This is not a mystery... I mean... oh screw it...
And *cough cough* yes there are people who believe Kanon is actually female. but it's not like i'm 100% sure myself. ^^;
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-06, 17:52
He doesn't have a huge chest like all females in the anime (Maria and granny excluded for known reasons xd)
Therefore he is male.
/problem solved
I've asked a friend to watch the first episode and he pretty much liked it. Minor things he pointed out: he couldn't remember who were each of the cousin's parents and Maria annoyed him badly (cheering when she got slapped by Rosa). Ah! He didn't think it was rushed and really enjoyed the OP and ED (this one being epic)
Whaat... He happens to be Umineko's "pretty" boy. He's my favorite character, and most definitely not a girl, so don't call me a lesbian, okay? ^^
Rofl, joking, I can accept his game character design is somewhat feminine (I remember thinking he was a girl), but he's still one of my favorite characters, and thank God he's male, there are entirely too many females already... :heh:
His anime chara design happens to be one of my favorites, he's ridiculously pretty. <3
so don't call me a lesbian, okay?
As long as you don't say he's got a sexy voice :3
His voice is so feminine that it makes me shudder... I mean woah.... why Kobayashi Yuu...why!
maximilianjenus
2009-07-06, 18:09
The problem with batler's obsession with breasts is that is the only part of his personality we have been shown, while most sex jokes got cut in higurashi.
as far as my impressions go, I am liking this adaptation more than higu's. I bet they can save some of the "this character's personality is like that and his parents are this way" scenes that thye skipped for the later episodes, so they can give them a better pacing, I was thinking that the future event might feel too rushed otherwise.
Mikachiru
2009-07-06, 18:38
His voice is so feminine that it makes me shudder... I mean woah.... why Kobayashi Yuu...why!
But...It's so cute...XD
....I will never understand that... never....
the same goes to rooftop confessions, how guys with way to long hair a cute and how it so erotic and cool to be bitten by a vampire...I mean I was bitten by friends several times (don't ask..just don't >.<) it hurt like hell!
...So I will never understand how a girly voice is cute....
Danichuu
2009-07-06, 21:08
....I will never understand that... never....
the same goes to rooftop confessions, how guys with way to long hair a cute and how it so erotic and cool to be bitten by a vampire...I mean I was bitten by friends several times (don't ask..just don't >.<) it hurt like hell!
...So I will never understand how a girly voice is cute....
Well, I don't know about rooftop confessions. Guys with long hair I agree with you, I don't see the big deal.
The eroticness of vampire bites, though? It's a bite to the neck which, if done correctly, can feel pretty good. So yeah.
Anyways, Kanon's voice is girly? I thought it was fitting for him... not all that feminine, and rather boyish. I disagree on Kanon's lack of masculinity...I think!
Christen
2009-07-06, 21:12
A masculine voice wouldn't fit Kanon. I was actually expecting Maaya Sakamoto to voice him before the announcement of seiyuus.
Mikachiru
2009-07-06, 21:15
A masculine voice wouldn't fit Kanon. I was actually expecting Maaya Sakamoto to voice him before the announcement of seiyuus.
Exactly. He's a kid...:)
maximilianjenus
2009-07-06, 22:27
Kanon voiced by aya hrano ftw !
Kanon voiced by aya hrano ftw !
Please kill me if that ever happens :| </3 I like my Setsuna!Kanon very much okay~
I think the voices are good. I think the only one I still need to adjust myself to overall is Rudolf (I expected something a little more suave but it's not too bad), Rosa (too young sounding) and Hideyoshi (sounds...well weird overall :heh:)
Still can't wait to hear how Ohara does Beatrice though.
Unknown Soldier
2009-07-07, 02:02
I just watched the first episode without any prior knowledge of the visual novel series other than I know it exists, and the Wikipedia summary. It seemed okay to me, yes about a hundred people are introduced right at the beginning but plenty of animes with ensemble casts do this, I'm sure I'll eventually figure out who everyone is as I watch the series.
Right now I type this the rotating Animesuki.com Forums header image is the one of Rika and Hanyuu. Nipah~!
Katsu Koneko
2009-07-07, 05:32
Well, one of my friend's friend saw the episode and thought Kyrie was a pretty boy. xD Oh man, she was surprised when I told her that Kyrie was a girl.
Well, one of my friend's friend saw the episode and thought Kyrie was a pretty boy. xD Oh man, she was surprised when I told her that Kyrie was a girl.
B-b-b-b-but her breasts! How can anybody mistake those for a boy's. D:
I'm okay with Kanon's voice. It fits him. I don't think it's too girly, actually, I've heard way worse... (such as Near's voice in Death Note D:)
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if they added later some of the scenes they cut in the first episode, they wanted to end the episode in a cliffhanger so they had to hurry the introductions, but they still have 4 episodes left for Ep1.
Gosh, this thread is long. By the time I read through it all most of what I wanted to say had already been said!
I didn't read the VN, so this is my first experience with Umineko. I went into it knowing this isn't my kind of thing, but I was pleasantly surprised. The storyline seems really interesting, and I'm eager to get to the meat of the plot. There's just too much great backstory here.
I can see the anime had a lot to cover in one episode, and while it wasn't confusing, it seemed like there was a lot of stuff missing. You're kind of left to guess at who's who in the family. The huge cast is going to be hard to keep track of based on the SUPER brief introductions they gave everyone. I can only assume the cast is going to, er, shrink, so this won't be a problem. Oh, and certain characters suddenly flying into rages was really unexpected and kind of comical. What Eva said to Natsuhi was pretty damn harsh, though, and Klaus dismissing her was pouring salt in the wound. Ouch.
There are a few individual characters who stuck out. Battler seems pretty likeable, but his perversion was out of place. Jessica was a great supporting character and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her. Out of all the young characters, though, I really wished George had more dialogue. I mean, he was just a prop for most of the episode.
Maria... erm, what can I say about her? I can totally see what they were going for, but I don't think it quite worked out. It felt like there were three separate Marias going on -- the cute one, the annoying one, and the creepy one. You got brief flashes of the cute Maria ("Pikuniku! Pikuniku!") and the creepy Maria ("Sinister. Sinister." and the scary OP), and a LOT of the annoying Maria. I REALLY liked the creepy Maria and saw a ton of potential there. But, I was genuinely wondering for most of the episode if she was meant to have some sort of mental disorder, Asperger's or Autism or something. That would be a pretty cool story element if it were true, but I was just annoyed most of the time by her overly-childish dialogue and "uuu uuu uuu UUU UUuUuU". She doesn't communicate like any 9-year-old I've ever met. That "uu" was not cute, even the first time.
All I can say is I'm looking forward to the creepy Maria very much.
Maria annoyed him badly (cheering when she got slapped by Rosa).
Oh, thank God I wasn't the only one.
What this episode really succeeded at was setting the atmosphere. Everything is so sumptuously gothic. The rose garden, the dark rooms, the ornate decoration, the approaching storm. I think that, more than anything, is what made me want to see the next episode. It's just so dark. I like it. The OP and ED extended this feeling quite well. The ED song actually grew on me. At first I was like >:0, but then I was :D.
My impressions are overall positive. I'm really interested to see what's going to happen in the next episode.
I believe VN players have a lot to say (read: spoil) but fear the scary red sword of the Moderator XD. But trust me, every action of character have meanings, may they be clear or subtle ones.
Ummm, it seems many people are confused about relationship between characters so I guess it would not hurt (read: me getting banned) to introduce about relationship within Ushiromiya familya a bit.
From what you see in anime, Natsuhi is called by Eva using harsh words. This is the result that Natsuhi married into the Ushiromiya family. For Ushiromiya family, the person who married in will not be consider as a blood-related family member. They would be mostly regarded as outsiders. That's the reason why Eva treat Natsuhi badly.
EDIT: Delete the rank system until it is proved will not be animated.
I would wait until ep1-2 before talking in full lenght about the rank system, just in case the anime is postponing it.
Not like it is really a spoiler but still...
maximilianjenus
2009-07-07, 12:46
I agree with jan... as I think they might explain that stuff in the later episodes so those don't feel rushed and to give the events a better pacing(damn, it's ahrd to explain without giving *spoilers*).
Sinestra
2009-07-07, 13:28
Well i am very late i just had the opportunity to watch episode 1 of Umineko no Naku Koro ni. I have been very excited about its premiere since the guys around here told me about the premise sometime ago and the fact that is done in the same style as Higurashi no naku koro ni of course i would be addicted in no time. The first episode was good introduction of characters and the myth behind the witch were done smoothly. The OP had my attention right off the back as did the BGM i am very satisfied. Through in a legend about a witch an isolated island and a family fighting over inheritance money you are sure to get some nasty business. I like the animation seemed smooth and colorful but shaded at the right time. I noticed that once again there is only one teenage male in the group followed by a couple of younger girls and of course sisters and wives of family members there is more than enough people on the island for the blood to flow.
I have not played the game but i usually end playing games after i see a series and this one will be no different. I am very excited that we get to start with wild speculations and deconstruction of such a mysterious series and i hope that it is as much as a mind rape as Higurashi was.
Nice that you liked it, looks like the new viewers will keep watching and enjoying it :)
I noticed that once again there is only one teenage male in the group followed by a couple of younger girls and...
You forgot chubby poor George ^^
I wish George would not start slicing people into 17 pieces XD.
You will have a lot of opportunity to make *a lot of* speculation later... We might even need a whole thread for theory and speculation specifically for anime viewers.
He's not a teenager though. Battler and Kanon are.
FireChick
2009-07-07, 13:44
Wow, Umineko's getting some more subs. SEACATS and even Hatsuyuki subs released episode 1 already!
I wish George would not start slicing people into 17 pieces XD.
You will have a lot of opportunity to make *a lot of* speculation later... We might even need a whole thread for theory and speculation specifically for anime viewers.
There IS a thread like that XD (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82643) Well at least that one is for first-timers :P
There IS a thread like that XD (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82643) Well at least that one is for first-timers :P
Well, it's easier to sort the thread out rather than clamp everything into single thread, in my opinion. It would have lower risk to spoil new comers too. But right now, I guess that thread will do until...
elite-dreams
2009-07-07, 15:43
it wasnt so bad :O tho it did have that eerie feeling like in higurashi xD
some reason maria reminds me of rena >.>
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-07, 16:06
She reminds me of Satoko xd... she was the most annoying little brat in there >_>
Rena Ryuuguu
2009-07-07, 20:33
before the Umineko Anime came out I always hoped Kanon would be voiced by Kobayashi Yuu or Maya Sakamoto so as for me ..my wish came true
Ok... I watched the first episode of this series and I have to say that this is very interesting. I'd planned on watching this after reading the first two chapters of the manga and the anime did not disappoint. The plot, characters and setting really intrigued me so I plan to watch this until the end.
As a dedication for this new found show I've changed my signature to show my liking to Umineko. :)
MeoTwister5
2009-07-08, 04:30
There's actually a lot of subtle little events and dialogue in the furst episode that are rather important, especially that episode 2 airs within 24 hours.
Just wanted to point out that you shouldn't disregard small things because they are likely to be really important later.
FireChick
2009-07-08, 05:04
By the way, when I first saw the anime version of Kyrie, I nearly thought she was a white-haired Natsume (from Natsume Yuujinchou) at first until I saw she was a woman.:heh:
Kazuki_Kun
2009-07-08, 10:03
Does episode 2 air today? I can't figure out if it's today or tomorrow.. last weeks came out on Wednesday though, right?
It airs today, in 2 hours or so
Klashikari
2009-07-08, 10:15
No, it airs in a little more than 1 hour.
It airs on thursday at 1:30AM for the Japanese. So for the rest of the world, it is indeed wednesday.
No more question regarding this please (and of course, NO countdown posts either).
And with a bit of luck, it's subbed tomorrow morning/afternoon.
Edit: Sorry, didn't saw your message in time
Add this to future opening posts Klash, it makes things a lot simpler: http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/?o=ET
(you could also create the thread, mention that and close it until it airs)
Does episode 2 air today? I can't figure out if it's today or tomorrow.. last weeks came out on Wednesday though, right?
It is aired today. Be prepared to get something *nice*...
Klashikari
2009-07-08, 10:27
Add this to future opening posts Klash, it makes things a lot simpler: http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/?o=ET
(you could also create the thread, mention that and close it until it airs)
Adding this feature or not doesn't change anything. After what happened with kanon and clannad, putting links or information regarding the airing date of a show for each opening post doesn't work most of the time (because it seems people think it is mundane and NEVER read the first post). I think it I should post that in either the intro or the Q&A thread instead...
MeoTwister5
2009-07-08, 10:27
It is aired today. Be prepared to get something *nice*...
Not necessarily lol. Well I guess it depends on how they'll choose to animate it anyway, and whether you find such scenes to be "nice.":eyespin::eyespin::eyespin:
Kazuki_Kun
2009-07-08, 10:39
Oops, nevermind, maybe my spolier could be deemed innaporpirate for this thread..
Oops, better late than never. My quick impression on the first episode. (http://neetgamerspodcast.blogspot.com/2009/07/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-episode-01.html)
SkoolRumble4Ya
2009-07-08, 20:45
finally a creepy anime since ghost hunt
Hmm....I smell carnage. I'M WATCHING THIS.
At this point Umineko has nothing on Higurashi.
How can it already compete with your favorite after seeing one episode?
Because it was very good in just the first few parts, where nothing interesting happened. So you can only imagine how awesome the parts with more drama and action will be!
Hoy can you compare 2 seasons of Higurashi + OVA to one episode of Umineko?
At least wait until the first arc is finished ^^
Well, I have to admit, I may have been overexcited when I first saw the anime. Like I said above, it's bound to get better, so there's no doubt it will compete with Higurashi. (But nothing beats nipah~ or the RikaStab. x3)
I'm just a little anxious to see what happens, is all. After all, since I've only read the first manga, and never read the sound novel at all, I really want to know if the witches and stuff exists... (Hopefully, they do. I've already grown quite fond of the Battler+Beatrice pairing...) </rant>
That person read the manga right? So he know of it will go on. But I agree with you guys, you should wait with your judging till we come to the more awesome parts of the series
...He? I'm a GIRL. -_-'' Please remember that for future references. And also that I'm 14. I just may be the youngest Umineko fan here.
Well, as being one of the few supporters of the english Higu dub, I can tell you that it isn't so bad. Actually the voices are not bad at all. There are some parts where the english voice acting is superior to the original japanese one, parts where the english cast does a great job portraying the characters emotions through speech. I know you won't agree, but it usually is like this: if you've seen the anime in japanese, then the english dub sounds terrible to you (and in most cases it is terrible too). That's how it usually is. But thankfully Higu is one of the few anime out there with a pretty good english dub, at least in my opinion.
Also I like Shion's laughter more in the english version. xd
True-there are some parts that are better in English (RikaStab scene, K1 and Rena Rooftop Battle), but there are just times when the voice doesn't carry out the emotion as strongly as the face does. It's also quite disappointing that they didn't keep 'nano desu' 'omochikaeri' and 'kana? kana?'. But, I'll agree, there are MUCH worse anime dubs. (cough*naruto*cough) (And I'm only scared of how a School Days dub would turn out...)
Unknown Soldier
2009-07-09, 02:33
Wow, Umineko's getting some more subs. SEACATS and even Hatsuyuki subs released episode 1 already!
Better yet, Hatsuyuki released a 1280x720 version of their sub. So this series is being aired in HD in Japan. That's good news.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-07-09, 10:27
True-there are some parts that are better in English (RikaStab scene, K1 and Rena Rooftop Battle), but there are just times when the voice doesn't carry out the emotion as strongly as the face does. It's also quite disappointing that they didn't keep 'nano desu' 'omochikaeri' and 'kana? kana?'. But, I'll agree, there are MUCH worse anime dubs. (cough*naruto*cough) (And I'm only scared of how a School Days dub would turn out...)
Well if you think about it, it would have been quite hard for them to keep those sounds. They are japanese specific, and someone saying omochikaeri while talking in english would have sounded weird. Also Shion laughing using "kekekeke" as someone else said before, would have made it weird. It's an english dub so it was certain these parts won't be in, and it's really hard to replace them with anything similar, english-wise. I think they did a good job with what they could, even without being able to use a lot of japanese-specific sounds or words.
Well, I have to admit I didn't quite like the first episode. The characters would not have to be described, or rather the ones that die anyway.. and there wasn't much more to that, except seeing how 'nice' most of the family are. I like the next episode a lot more, though it's still not like Higurashi was to me, yet..
Chaho-Chi
2009-07-12, 16:10
...He? I'm a GIRL. -_-'' Please remember that for future references. And also that I'm 14. I just may be the youngest Umineko fan here.
....I'm 12....
I thought the 1 episode was good but a little to rushed, they also missed a few parts (I'm not really suprised by that ether). They also didn't make Kanon look so weak as they did in the VN :heh:
fish eric
2009-07-12, 19:28
I really liked this. I haven't played (read?) the VN, this was still interesting.
My favorite part was "Whore!"
http://celestialkitsune.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/images_01639.jpg
Klashikari
2009-07-12, 19:30
One thing: Gejo (下女) means "maid servant". It is something totally different, but well *sigh*.
Christen
2009-07-12, 19:55
That's why I like a particular sub group :p
But anyway, the censored words in a particular station are the following words:
下女 - (gejo) maid servant
仮腹 - (karibara) borrowed womb
端女 - (hashitame) lowly maid servant
For the wife of an Ushiromiya heir, these are very heavy insults. Forget the status, these are heavy insults for a woman.
windfs don't sub this? which cool fansub that I should watch?
Christen
2009-07-12, 23:29
If you can wait, get SEACATS.
fish eric
2009-07-13, 02:27
That's why I like a particular sub group :p
But anyway, the censored words in a particular station are the following words:
下女 - (gejo) maid servant
仮腹 - (karibara) borrowed womb
端女 - (hashitame) lowly maid servant
For the wife of an Ushiromiya heir, these are very heavy insults. Forget the status, these are heavy insults for a woman.
whichever version I watched it was not censored.
maximilianjenus
2009-07-13, 12:05
If you can wait, get SEACATS.
Is Seacats doing it in HD ?
The censored version was added to a stream I believe. I think there were also some networks that did censor it.
In Japan those words are considered an insult towards status and women in general, as Christen said. Then again, if anyone called me a maid servant I would be insulted too.
Christen
2009-07-13, 16:31
Is Seacats doing it in HD ?
As of now, no they aren't. Though IIRC, they'll be doing releases for DVD/BD when they come out.
maximilianjenus
2009-07-13, 17:38
thanks for the answer, I am watching it in spanish (with a friend who does not speak english) and don't care too much about the quality of that version since I already read the novel; tho I am wondering on the english version.
Just watch this episode .
It seems promising . Battler remind me Phoenix Wright lol
So the plot is that the parents want the heritage and share it among them .
What its hilarious its that they look cute but they can do ugly face XD
With the epitaphe it seems that it requires some dead to be able to get the gold .
Look like the drama/detective/murder will begin :)
I think that they'll kill each other to get this gold ahah what a family :p
Well , Battler is a perv and Maria is cute but his "haugh" reminds me Hanyu in Higurashi ^^
Gotta like the opening :)
Just watch this episode .
It seems promising . Battler remind me Phoenix Wright lol
You have only seen the first episode and you already think he's like Phoenix Wright? Geez I guess it's even more obvious than I thought, and I thought it was pretty blatant already.
chronotrig
2009-07-18, 16:42
You have only seen the first episode and you already think he's like Phoenix Wright? Geez I guess it's even more obvious than I thought, and I thought it was pretty blatant already.
Heh, but that's Ryuukishi for you. Even though he probably borrowed some stuff from Phoenix Wright, Battler is almost nothing like Phoenix Wright. Well, except for his pose in the OP...
Heh, but that's Ryuukishi for you. Even though he probably borrowed some stuff from Phoenix Wright, Battler is almost nothing like Phoenix Wright. Well, except for his pose in the OP...
For starters, Phoenix Wright uses logic.
Well of course, I didn't mean to say they are the same. But the resemblance is striking and I can't think it's coincidential.
For starters, Phoenix Wright uses logic.
For starters, Phoenix Wright uses the chord of steel and lots of hair gel.
I watched this episode again after reading the VN. and sigh, the battler's way of getting reaction is so skewed in the adaption that it's not funny.......
and yeah, I go back and see the complains previously said in this thread, it's quite obvious once you read the VN. All the subtle characterisations are just ignored.
For a newcomer it might be good, but for VN readers, it's just bleh. Therefore I think it's better for me to hold off any advance reading of VN until after the episode.
maximilianjenus
2009-07-20, 16:22
For starters, Phoenix Wright uses logic.
just because batttler lacks common sense it does not means he lacks logic.
Lucky Charat
2009-07-28, 19:33
just because batttler lacks common sense it does not means he lacks logic.
Hey [E], it's me.
also, add that he's a pedo.
I don't know about putting Battler into Pheonix's pose, but looking at the OP, Battler is the one sorting out the mystery.
Anyway, nice evil Maria smile at the OP, which makes me think she's possibly the source of the following murders.
Hi, I'm coming into this a bit late, but since a lot of people said they were interested in the impressions of a viewer unfamiliar with the VN... here they are.
I had absolutely no idea about what Umineko was when I started watching it, I haven't even seen the promo material, just one picture of Battler opposing Beatrice which said he was a private investigator. Oo
The "photo snaps" were useful. Yes, I didn't remember all of them at once (when the next important event happened, I had to strain my memory to find out which family members were lacking), but it was ok. It's an old tradition of classic mystery to introduce big families or groups in that way, most of those characters are nothing but plot fodder anyway.
OkamiNoKaze
2010-08-14, 00:33
I'm coming to this even later, having finished the Higurashi series not long ago, thought I'd check this out too. Battler kind of looks a bit like slightly younger Gene Starwind, from Outlaw Star, sans scars. Boy that Maria girl makes some creepy faces, she's going to be an interesting one I can tell already.
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