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Can ANY one tell me how this series ends??
No one will know as the last episode is not even out yet :p
Actually, the manga ended a few months ago...
Ended really abruptly, too. Kinda closes the story, but kinda doesn't. And they didn't even bother doing a big send-off for it, either, so when I got to the last page I was like "...... This was the last chapter? That was the end...?" Bleh. I never really liked Tenshi na Konamaiki all that much, but I expected something more clean-cut. This was kinda like the Ranma ending all over again.
IMSabbel
2003-11-13, 17:00
I found the ramna ending quite cool. Anticlimatic, and than, on the last page, it is hinted what happens after....
Personally, i found the ending better than most arcs of the mange. They felt like a exclamation of pointlessness....
I'm sorry , I think I was misunderstood, I was asking more or less for a spoiler... I heard that the anime ending was different than the manga... What were they?
Well, I can't tell you how the anime ended, seeing as how I never bothered to watch it (did I mention that I didn't like this series?), but I did bother to skim through most of the last few manga volumes in the weeklies, so I'll give you a brief synopsis that may or may not have every detail in place but will be generally correct:
K~! When I started paying attention, Megu, Miki, and the guys were being help captive in some wherehouse for reasons that I don't know, since I wasn't subscribed in time to read that part. They reflect, fight, eventually get out and return to school safely. Megu's knocked unconscious and does one of these giant reflection things, remembering back to when she was a kid and the little clown/book guy turned her into a chick. And I'm kinda iffy on this, since it doesn't make all that much sense to me, but it seems that Megu was a chick from the very beginning, and when she wished to be a 'great man', the one who changed was Miki and her (ie, all of her memories were changed to make her think she was originally a boy, same for Miki). At this point, the clown pops into her mind and asks if her true wish was granted, and she answers that it was. Then she wakes up and everyone's all happy she's all right and shit. And it pretty much ends like that. The sword guy thinks Miki's a rival to his love for Megu, the nerd's just kinda there... the punk with the white hair's still hitting on her at every possible second. Oh, and in the flashback, it reveals that his scar was recieved when he saved the younger Megu from a band of Yakuza.
Thank you very much.. The reason I asked was because as far as the "idea" of being a man went, it was pretty damn obvious that she ( Megu ) wasn't a guy when she started catching feelings for Soga-Kun. Frankly that pissed me off. As me being the viewer, I would have rather KNOWN what she was from the beginning. All of the indesivienss was indicative of a NORMAL female lead... Thusly taking the thrill out of the anime in general.
Thanks I will be sure never to buy this anime
KristopherZ
2004-07-05, 19:25
I was over in the Viz Discussion panel in AX 2004 and there is a series that caught my eye in thier license release. They talked about Cheeky Angel a series that I would have not looked at until the editor of the series described it.
I got the first volume at viz's booth at AX 2004 in sunday. After reading through it 5 times I must say that this series is easily the best series I have read since Viz's release of Rurouni Kenshin. It is listed under the "action" moniker but it is agreed that most titles under it are shonen series.
Cheeky Angel's back end says that "Megumi, a nine-year old martial arts enthusiast and all around rapscallion, always wanted to be "The manliest man on earth." After saving a sorcer from a group of local thugs, Megumi is presented with a magic genie that can grant any wish. Unfortunately, the genie misconstrues Megumi's desire to be the "womanliest woman on earth" and in a flash, Megumi's Y chronomosone is swapped with an X. Six years later....Megumi is the hottest girl in school, but has stayed true to his/her tough takin' punk stopping ways."
Now I know that while the concept seems strange, gender bending comedy/action has been done before (Ranma being the most popular one). There are some major differences, Megumi is a girl forever where as Ranma is one until someone splashes water on him. It also focuses more on the human aspect of the concept of gender switching.
Whatever the case is, this manga is easily the best manga to come out this year, do yourself a favor and buy it.
it sounds great, i think ill check it out ^^
KristopherZ
2004-07-05, 20:03
it sounds great, i think ill check it out ^^
It is an awesome series, you will enjoy it ^_^. Man September is too long to wait for the next volume.
Dhomochevsky
2004-07-05, 20:18
Is it a manga?
I saw that series, but somehow I remember it to be an anime... :twitch:
I had a couple of episodes/volumes of it on my pc, but I must have erased them.
Was ok though... nothing special: boy becomes girl by magic = strong girl :uhoh: and the schools super-cool-guy is following her around.
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btw, I think my files had a japanese title.. maybe they are still there and I didnt find them :heh: Ill check
KristopherZ
2004-07-05, 20:30
Is it a manga?
I saw that series, but somehow I remember it to be an anime... :twitch:
I had a couple of episodes/volumes of it on my pc, but I must have erased them.
Was ok though... nothing special: boy becomes girl by magic = strong girl :uhoh: and the schools super-cool-guy is following her around.
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btw, I think my files had a japanese title.. maybe they are still there and I didnt find them :heh: Ill check
Well, I know there is a 50 episode anime, but like all things I hear the manga is miles better than it's anime counterpart
the original title is "Tenshi na Konamaiki" if that rings any bells
yes it is very good, i almost bought it but i opted for Saikano instead (i was only buying a manga for the train ride back anyway, and Saikano was thicker)
i'll prolly order Tenshi na Konamaiki (i'm not overly fond of the english title...mostly because i've been calling it Tenshi na Konamaiki for about a year and half now) as part of my next manga batch (that and Psychic Academy 3)
oh yes, and while it may not live up to the manga, the anime is still splendid, and it's unlicensed (right now...)
KristopherZ
2004-07-05, 21:05
the original title is "Tenshi na Konamaiki" if that rings any bells
yes it is very good, i almost bought it but i opted for Saikano instead (i was only buying a manga for the train ride back anyway, and Saikano was thicker)
i'll prolly order Tenshi na Konamaiki (i'm not overly fond of the english title...mostly because i've been calling it Tenshi na Konamaiki for about a year and half now) as part of my next manga batch (that and Psychic Academy 3)
oh yes, and while it may not live up to the manga, the anime is still splendid, and it's unlicensed (right now...)
Well, as far as I can tell it is an awesome series with the first manga. That is of course if the follow ups can keep the theme of "if a boy is turned into a girl, would he be more feminine or would he still be him"
Let's say that I wake up the next day and turned into a gorgeous girl, I personally don't know how I would act, it is impossible and would never happen in the basis of reality. But I would have never thought this until this manga came out.
But you should buy Cheeky Angel (yeah the american name does irritate me) to support this series. Like what I say in many fansub forums, at the very least if you buy the fansubs and like it, get the anime or at least buy the manga version of it.
Edit: I checked on Various Websites and the Japanese Name doesn mean Cheeky Angel in japanese.
InstantRamen
2004-07-05, 22:28
Sounds interesting, I'm gonna buy it. :D
Well, as far as I can tell it is an awesome series with the first manga. That is of course if the follow ups can keep the theme of "if a boy is turned into a girl, would he be more feminine or would he still be him"
Let's say that I wake up the next day and turned into a gorgeous girl, I personally don't know how I would act, it is impossible and would never happen in the basis of reality. But I would have never thought this until this manga came out.
But you should buy Cheeky Angel (yeah the american name does irritate me) to support this series. Like what I say in many fansub forums, at the very least if you buy the fansubs and like it, get the anime or at least buy the manga version of it.
Edit: I checked on Various Websites and the Japanese Name doesn mean Cheeky Angel in japanese.
it essentially does keep that theme, though it does get pretty weird (new characters just seem to come out of nowhere for instance, the Megu Fan Club has endless antics, and, something Viz handles in a very bizarre way, Megu slips into using the masculine first person pronoun (i'm pretty sure it was boku)
How do they handle people changing first person pronouns you ask? Well...in saikano, when Shuji (who usually uses "ore") makes an accidental slip and says "boku", they translate it as "Shujikins" (which makes no sense at all but localizes the joke well since it IS funny, like "Mr. Kim-Kims" in Azumanga Daioh)
I'm sure SaiKano will have multiple very strange localizations... and I wouldn't be surprised at censorship. But this threads about the 'New' (yet 6 years old) manga TnK.
I don't like it.
I'm sure SaiKano will have multiple very strange localizations... and I wouldn't be surprised at censorship. But this threads about the 'New' (yet 6 years old) manga TnK.
I don't like it.
i think he meant "new" as in "just released in the states"
which is true
Cheeky Angel's back end says that "Megumi, a nine-year old martial arts enthusiast and all around rapscallion, always wanted to be "The manliest man on earth." After saving a sorcer from a group of local thugs, Megumi is presented with a magic genie that can grant any wish. Unfortunately, the genie misconstrues Megumi's desire to be the "womanliest woman on earth" and in a flash, Megumi's Y chronomosone is swapped with an X. Six years later....Megumi is the hottest girl in school, but has stayed true to his/her tough takin' punk stopping ways."
It sounds retarded. And homo.
It sounds retarded. And homo.
*sarcasm level=100* thank you for your mature and thoughtful comment */sarcasm level=100*
i'm betting you like Hajime no Ippo
KristopherZ
2004-07-07, 18:35
It sounds retarded. And homo.
Close minded anime fans like you make me hate this hobby....
"If it doesn't have sex or violence I don't like it"
Geez, that explains why AAA quality series like Kare Kano and Fruits Basket get shoved by series like Love Hina or Battle Royale.
Close minded anime fans like you make me hate this hobby....
"If it doesn't have sex or violence I don't like it"
Geez, that explains why AAA quality series like Kare Kano and Fruits Basket get shoved by series like Love Hina or Battle Royale.
i agree, great series like Fruits Basket always get overlooked for Yu Gi Oh, Dragonball Z, Naruto, and Love Hina (Rurouni Kenshin too, but that series really deserves its fame)
Yes. Its very mature to get exited about series about guy becoming a hot gal who beats other guys. This series must be sooo mature. And it must have those realistic characters and relationships...I bet its even better then Chobits!!
Why do you suppose I like sex and violence manga? Oh wait!! Endo works has sex and violence. Oh man you got me here :/
And yes, I do like Ippo.
Kyou Kara Ore Wa was a lot better, methinks. TnK just kind of dilutes Nishimori's style.
And yes, I do like Ippo.
this explains sooooo much
... What's wrong with Ippo...?
Ippo probably killed his little pet doggie and now he hates it. Your avatar says so much about you, dude.
... What's wrong with Ippo...?
it's not that Ippo itself is bad, it's just that, similar to naruto, it creates a lot of narrow-minded fanbois who whine and call stuff "homo" and "retarded"
oh, and i like my avatar, i though it was cute scene (and about 2 dozen other people that PM me on a daily basis asking what anime it's from think so too) people who see something "wrong" about it read way too much into things
Hmm. Maybe, but the manga and the anime are different in that regard. Or at least the manga brings 50 thousand less fanboys than the anime does solely because they probably don't even know that 'tehre was a comic based on the anime'. However in Ippo's case, as opposed to Naruto, the anime has very few outright flaws (like pacing), so I have no problem with lots of people liking it.
*points out that this conversation should end or move somewhere other than the TnK thread*
*points out that this conversation should end or move somewhere other than the TnK thread*
agreed :)
*glares at Petr*
i don't want to reply to what he'll post but i will if it's against me...
KristopherZ
2004-07-08, 17:05
Yes. Its very mature to get exited about series about guy becoming a hot gal who beats other guys. This series must be sooo mature. And it must have those realistic characters and relationships...I bet its even better then Chobits!!
Why do you suppose I like sex and violence manga? Oh wait!! Endo works has sex and violence. Oh man you got me here :/
And yes, I do like Ippo.
Uh huh, and I suppose that you read manga for the maturity involved in it. You are in the wrong hobby if you think that. My point is that people like the "me too" series that emulate previous series, and something like this (which isn't very common) is being overlooked just because you think the concept is "strange or wierd"
Also it shows your lack of maturity as a person because you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that this series is mature, it is anything but that. I am praising it because it is "fun" it is "different" and unconventional. Of course I bet more than anything you scoff at guys who read shojo manga just because most of the titles in shojo don't have extreme violence or sex. Also I really don't care for this creators previous work, I care about this series and none other. Unlike some people I am not loyal to authors or brand name comics, I am loyal to the work itself, I am loyal if it deserves my loyalty.
Also I really don't care for this creators previous work, I care about this series and none other. Unlike some people I am not loyal to authors or brand name comics, I am loyal to the work itself, I am loyal if it deserves my loyalty.
i agree
though i'm ashamed to admit i check out anything done by Rumiko Takahashi or Ken Akamatsu because i've so consistantly enjoyed their work ^_^;
KristopherZ
2004-07-08, 17:35
i agree
though i'm ashamed to admit i check out anything done by Rumiko Takahashi or Ken Akamatsu because i've so consistantly enjoyed their work ^_^;
Well, I will say that I did say that I am not loyal to the work of a manga artist, I do agree with you that once they have built a stong respect because of their work I would look at the next one. That still doesn't automatically make me buy the work just because it was done by the author. Only a couple of manga artists have my respect Yu Watase has amazed me with 3 pieces of her work (Imadoki, Ceres, and Fushigi Yugi), Of course I have 3 of Rumiko Takahashi's work (ranma, Inuyasha, Maison Ikkoku). Regardless of if they got my respect I still look at new volumes with a critical eye, I don't buy it "just 'cause they made it"
I'm going to be blunt and tell you that your above statement adds 10 points to our stupidity rating, KristopherZ (the one directed at Petr). Manga caters to everyone. Period. If you like mature stories, then you'll find mature mangas. If you're a pedofile, you'll find child porn mangas. If you're a grade school boy, then you have Naruto. Thus the hobby is good for everyone and anyone that says otherwise is a retard. Also, everyone has favorite artists. There are multiple reasons why, but the major one is because artists tend to have multiple stories all with the same general story-telling style and/or genre. So if you like one, the odds are that you'll like the next one. Plus there are just some story-tellers that are better than others. And I buy Oh!Great mangas simply because he does them. Since I believe his art to be orgasmic.
That said, simply being original doesn't a good story make. And if originality floats your boat, then consider that Tenshi na Konamaiki is an original premise with lots and lots of repetitive and predictable plot lines. I mean, I didn't even realize it was over in the weeklies for like 2 months. I just kinda glossed over it then when someone asked me how many chapters there were currently I realized that I hadn't seen any of it in Shounen Sunday for months. While I can be a forgetful guy, if something underwhelms me that much, you won't be hearing many good things coming out of my mouth about it.
And a little boy living his life as a girl really IS homosexual. Think about it.
KristopherZ
2004-07-08, 19:36
I'm going to be blunt and tell you that your above statement adds 10 points to our stupidity rating, KristopherZ (the one directed at Petr). Manga caters to everyone. Period. If you like mature stories, then you'll find mature mangas. If you're a pedofile, you'll find child porn mangas. If you're a grade school boy, then you have Naruto. Thus the hobby is good for everyone and anyone that says otherwise is a retard. Also, everyone has favorite artists. There are multiple reasons why, but the major one is because artists tend to have multiple stories all with the same general story-telling style and/or genre. So if you like one, the odds are that you'll like the next one. Plus there are just some story-tellers that are better than others. And I buy Oh!Great mangas simply because he does them. Since I believe his art to be orgasmic.
I disagree manga is there for one purpose, to entertain. Entertainment has varying degrees of complexity but in the end it is what it is, entertainment. The hobby is not good for everyone, why do you think that 110 million dollar manga industry is not like Japan. It is because it doesn't appeal to everyone, it appeals to a certain amount of people. Granted with advertising and other things it can expand much more manga appeals to a set amount of people. No matter what people who like manga will like it, if they don't like manga now they will like it eventually. In the end it will not appeal to certain people, you want to know why? That is because manga doesn't appeal to everyone, not everyone sees it as a legitimate form of storytelling, not everyone sees it as a valid hobby.
With Maturity, that is also in the eye of the beholder. A 9 year old boy sees maturity as something that is extremely violent and has extremely violent content. I see maturity as something that cannot be explained in little words. Basically you are mature when you don't have to force people to think that you are mature. Manga does just that on many occasions. It uses melodrama, it uses foreshadowing to make it seem more mature than it really is. Don't believe me, check out most of the manga that is selling in the stores. They tend to do that quite often. A truely mature manga is something that doesn't have to force itself on people. That is few and far in between. Also like I mentioned just because you like content that is more violent or has more sex doesn't make one mature. Heck I think people are more mature that pick up comics like Shojo. That is because they don't need to go above and beyond just to prove that they are mature.
As for the last statement I do disagree that loyalty should be based off the artist. As you mentioned the artists veer off their genres and explore many times. So what makes you think that if the previous series is awesome that the next one wont be a stinker. Just because they released a high quality series before doesn't mean that they will be the next time around. A series is built around Concept, characterization, design, planning and many other aspects. If someone did it all perfectly in the previous one doesn't mean that they cannot falter the next time around.
That said, simply being original doesn't a good story make. And if originality floats your boat, then consider that Tenshi na Konamaiki is an original premise with lots and lots of repetitive and predictable plot lines. I mean, I didn't even realize it was over in the weeklies for like 2 months. I just kinda glossed over it then when someone asked me how many chapters there were currently I realized that I hadn't seen any of it in Shounen Sunday for months. While I can be a forgetful guy, if something underwhelms me that much, you won't be hearing many good things coming out of my mouth about it.
Of course, originality isn't good if there isn't any content to back it up. As far as I am concerned it has the substance to back up its originality. From what I can tell it has the potential to do so, will I eventually change my opinion depending on how the story is told and how it is developed, hell yes I will. I read stories per volume and as a whole. There can be a chance that a series can "drag on" or have "downtime" yet I prefer to look at the work as a whole. Right now my experience with the work is only 1 volume of manga. In retrospect it can easily be one of the worst series in my collection after I collect all 20 volumes. What I posted up above is only first impressions. You know, something that one would get reading a series for the first time. Not hearing any buzz from other people, posting my opinion on board.
Granted if you don't like my opinion there is no rule that says that you can't speak out about it. It is america and the purpose that this country was founded was because of the freedom of speech. Just because I don't like you opinion doesn't mean I can stop it. Also just because I don't like your opinion doesn't mean that I will be sitting in the sidelines waiting as a punching bag for all your personal insults. Even if it is a forum I know there is another person at the end of the computer, so I am entitled to rebuttle and argue all I want.
Granted yes this story is predictable. Hell under any circumstances any story is predictable. I can watch the "latest and greatest thing" and predict how the story will go. Will I be right? No I wont be right all the time, but story are structured very similarly and does it surprize you that some do it better than others? It should not. It is all about execution. The story can be boring and contrived but if executed well enough it should be able to please everyone. I only read the first volume of the series, so how would I know if later on the story gets boring and repetitive. You have that advantage over me. Yet, that advantage can be taken away because opinion is in the eye of the beholder. A story that I may consider to be one of the best stories of all time you may consider crap or vice versa.
And a little boy living his life as a girl really IS homosexual. Think about it.
That is a good point. Think about it though. Let's say that you somehow transform into a girl, a 100% pure girl from a boy. Consider the fact that more than likely as you live a life as a girl you eventually conform into socieity's belief on how a girl should be and act. Would that act alone make you homosexual because you are betraying the male instincts you just had before the transformation. Also because since you are born a male and know how the male brain works, yet you still transform into a more "feminine" person, does that make you homosexual. Last but not least, since you are born and raised as a boy then transform into girls would your instincts to chase after girls still be evident after transformation and of course the life you live afterwards. So basically in the end transforming into a girl makes you homosexual no matter what. If you conform to the female body you become homosexual because you where not born a woman, yet if you do not conform you are also homosexual because you chase after other girls in a female form. As you can expect there is not a clear cut answer.
it's like them kids born with both "parts" that are raised a certain way and then decide to be raised a different way...or something
it's entertaining, that's all
Plus i hear there's...well..."something" that changes...
I don't like reading long posts... so I really hope all of those paragraphs had topic sentences. If they didn't please forgive me for skipping things that I would normally have mentioned.
Maturity has a meaning. Mature series are actually set aside as mature in their genre. Seinen is more mature than shonen. If you like seinen manga over shonen manga, then you prefer mature stories. Really is that simple. I said that it was foolish to say that if you like mature then you have the wrong hobby. Which is exactly what you said.
*just caught the end of that paragaph* Manga would appeal to anyone willing to give it a chance. It has stories for everyone, and while those that refuse to read it for whatever reason may never know its greatness, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't like it if they tried it (assuming they tried something that met their personal tastes). I'll say it again, just to push my point further: Manga literally has stories for every single person that can read. I can think of no personality type or subject matter that has not been made into an enjoyable manga.
And what I said was that most artists do not veer off the path they gained success in. If you're good at something, there's no reason to stop. If you have a positive quality in your art or your stories it's common sense to capitalize on it. For example, some mangakas have an incredible sense of humor. That would play into every one of their works, and if you liked the jokes in one series it's virtually a given that you'll like them in another series simply because they're thought up from the same mind, just like people with their favorite comedians. That said, there are one hit wonders, just look at Kenshin... however, when a mangaka has provided 2 or 3 wonderful series, it's a safe bet that the next will be good, or if nothing else, that any bad ones are the flukes.
The series premise is a little boy turning into a really really hot lesbian, then forced by society and 'his' own strange pubecent tendencies to date guys. That really is a situation rank with sexual confusion if nothing else. And since I know how it ends, I hate it even more.
Regardless, you're entitled to your own opinion. I say it starts out original and quickly moves into... er... you could liken it to a planet with a hot molten core of unoriginality surrounded by layers of predictable plot and then a thin crust of really weird characters. And then there's the ending which I thought was god awful. And I really don't like the art, but I'm willing to ignore that for a good story... as I do for Rumiko Takahashi.
And I really don't like the art, but I'm willing to ignore that for a good story... as I do for Rumiko Takahashi.
i'm glad you brought this up
TnK's art is...well...not good. While i disagree with snoopy regarding the way the story is told (ok i'll admit it: unless it's so hideously bad you have get hypnotic therapy to repress the memories, or features shounen-ai as the main theme (i.e. Gravitation) i'd probably like it. I dunno why the hell i like gender-bender type series like Ranma, TnK, etc...) i do agree...the art leaves much to be desired. The only character who had a remotely good design was...i forgot his name...the street-punk guy, Genzo i think his name was.
all the other ones had certain...unappealing aspect. the manga-ka obviously tried to portray the characters as asian, but unlike Tohru Fujisawa (who, regardless what others may think, draws characters that actually LOOK asian), they failed. All the characters have this weird line between their noses and their mouth...a horizontal line...it bugs me. Also their eyes are reminiscant of old school shoujo mixed with old school shounen.
Token-Blackguy
2004-07-11, 05:48
Tohru Fujisawa (who, regardless what others may think, draws characters that actually LOOK asian), .
Come again? Not to veer off topic, and not to flame either, when did this happen. I always thought that he was just another manga-ka who drew his charactes too look a lot less japanese than they really are? Can you explain your reasoning?
Come again? Not to veer off topic, and not to flame either, when did this happen. I always thought that he was just another manga-ka who drew his charactes too look a lot less japanese than they really are? Can you explain your reasoning?
easily
their eyes are not overly large for one thing (they're as big as they need to be)
the weirded out faces onizuka and uchiyamada make could only be pulled off by someone of asian decent (i, a caucasian, could NEVER come close to those expressions)
plus every character has black or brown hair, and if they don't, it's dyed (Onizuka, Miyabi, Mayu, etc. Urumi's half gaijin anyway if you didn't guess) and characters with dyed hair still have black or brown eyebrows, and only Urumi has eyes that aren't brown (or black, but it's really just dark brown) and again, she's part foreigner (and a genetic freak...bicolor eyes)
there are other anime/manga that portray the characters like this (SaiKano to an extent, Jin Roh, Akira to an extent even if they are more than a little cartoonish in some places, etc.)
btw...who merged this thread with one that had massive spoilers in it..?
Animal4890
2004-07-16, 01:46
sry, to interrupt, but will this anime (or manga) ever be available in the states? The fansubs seemed to have stalled or completely stopped and heck if I'm going to support bootlegging. It's been some four months since I've seen any and I'm itching for a fix.
Princess_of_Hell
2004-07-16, 08:10
It has been licensed for release in the US and VOL. 1 will be available sometime during the end of this month or the beginning of next month.
NoSanninWa
2004-07-16, 23:02
The manga has indeed been licensed and while this is the manga thread I'd like to pass on some information for Animal4890 and other Tenshi na Konamaiki fans. Although the anime fansub has been stalled since March I've heard that AE is working hard to get out some new episodes sometimes soon. Yay! Wth luck you'll see them sometime this month.
By the way, the manga has ended some time ago at 20 volumes in total.
There is a slight twist on the whole "Megumi-is-a-boy-turned-girl" premise at the end, which isn't that surprising if you followed the various hints on the real nature of the djinn's powers.
Animal4890
2004-07-20, 00:02
thx for the info NoSanninWa. It's nice to know AE didn't totally throw away the project after they'd claimed it over other groups who tried to pick up their slack......even though they seem to be slacking...or at least lacking in translators right now.
I wonder if the anime will ever be licensed. This anime faired poorly at one of my past anime clubs. Although, most of that group was fairly conservative and perhaps this gender bender was a bit too much. I couldn't really understand 'em seeing as how I adore this anime.
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odd.... I received a reputation dock for post #41 here. Anyone care to claim that docking and explain it?
K~! When I started paying attention, Megu, Miki, and the guys were being help captive in some wherehouse for reasons that I don't know, since I wasn't subscribed in time to read that part. They reflect, fight, eventually get out and return to school safely. Megu's knocked unconscious and does one of these giant reflection things, remembering back to when she was a kid and the little clown/book guy turned her into a chick. And I'm kinda iffy on this, since it doesn't make all that much sense to me, but it seems that Megu was a chick from the very beginning, and when she wished to be a 'great man', the one who changed was Miki and her (ie, all of her memories were changed to make her think she was originally a boy, same for Miki). At this point, the clown pops into her mind and asks if her true wish was granted, and she answers that it was. Then she wakes up and everyone's all happy she's all right and shit. And it pretty much ends like that. The sword guy thinks Miki's a rival to his love for Megu, the nerd's just kinda there... the punk with the white hair's still hitting on her at every possible second. Oh, and in the flashback, it reveals that his scar was recieved when he saved the younger Megu from a band of Yakuza.
Sounds confusing as hell :)
I have only read vol. 1 of the Manga so far and really enjoyed it so I'll continue collecting it and decide about the ending when I read it Myself (a long wait then lol), I've seen the whole Anime series and thought it was great and had a better ending based on what I have read here.
Oh hello eveyone by the way :)
Shohoku79
2004-12-13, 01:05
Following message contains spoilers regard TnK.
Recently finished both the manga and the anime version of TnK and really did notice quite a bit of difference (especially how the anime gipped the Gakusan Games) and how the anime just totally left out Genzo "really" did save Megu from the broken glass when they were little.
Some questions about the manga...
1. In Chapter 199, up to the point where Genzo saved Megu from the broken glass I got, but the part that was explaining what really did happen when Megu made the wish. That's where I got confused. Upon searching the forum for some answers, I found that the basic premise was that Koakuma only altered Megu and Miki's memories to make the two of them "think" that Megu was a boy. However, the part had Megu mentioned something about "Miki's hair was already...." What was this part (about Miki's hair) about?
2. Also, while I was trying to find answers to my first question, I stumbled across the info that said the January 2004 Shonen Sunday featured a 38 page Gaiden (Side Story) of TnK (or Chapter 200). I think it has to do with what happened to the gang about half a year after the main storyline in Ch. 199. Has any one read this? If so, could someone kindly give a summary of what transpired in there?
Thank you very much.
Shohoku79...
1. Miki's hair was originally longer. She cut it short when she learned about her engagement. It was then when Megumi decided she wanted to protect and help Miki to live her life as she wanted. If you read more carefully, it was this sequence of events (up to and including the part where she first met Genzo) that ultimately she decided to wish that she was a boy.
2. Not too sure about this one, the gaiden wasn't included in volume 20 that I have.
Shohoku79
2004-12-13, 11:42
pyu:
1. Miki's hair was originally longer. She cut it short when she learned about her engagement. It was then when Megumi decided she wanted to protect and help Miki to live her life as she wanted. If you read more carefully, it was this sequence of events (up to and including the part where she first met Genzo) that ultimately she decided to wish that she was a boy.
Ok, that clears things up a bit. So the mentioning of the haircut was actually just there to connect the series of events as opposed to the beginning of the series, where it seems to the readers that Megu just decided to make the wish without much thinking right after fighting off the bullies, right? Am I making sense at all?
2. Not too sure about this one, the gaiden wasn't included in volume 20 that I have.
The manga ended some time in 2003, the 20 volumes of tankoban finished then too, if I am not mistaken. The Gaiden was actually published "only" in the January 2004 issue of Shonen Sunday, so it was a continuation of the series. My first discovery of its existence was from this page:
http://www.pacifier.com/~caspian/Main%20page/Cheeky_Extra.htm (TnK Gaiden
Upon some more searches, the 38 pages worth of material is actually divided into Chapter 200 and 201. The first one was from Fujiki's perspective and the second one from Koakuma(?). If any one have any information or have read these 2 chapters, please enlighten as I am quite eager to find out what the future hold for Megu and her friends.
If it's in 2004 SS, then I have it. I'll look through my bookshelf when I get back home.
Shohoku79
2004-12-13, 17:38
If it's in 2004 SS, then I have it. I'll look through my bookshelf when I get back home.
Awesome! Thank you, and I hope you could find it.... The cover is shown in that previous post.
At any rate, why is your site down? Server problems? I think it's been down for a couple of days....
I'm still pretty confused with the anime Myself.
Kobayashi(sp?, the Samurai guy) comes to the realisation that Megumi was a girl all along late in the Japan beauty race series but the last episode still makes it look like to me at least that she was originally a boy and Megumi still seems to consider herself a man even in the end, maybe I mistook things because the subs were pretty bad though
What did annoy me though was how Miki went from being weak to kicking every ones ass's in the Japan beauty race and then back to being weak when she was abducted, it just seemed stupid to me along with all the hints that Megumi and Miki had feelings for each other (Megumi even asked what kind of couple they would make in one episode) but went no where with it.
Still a great series to kill time to though.
wooo..... I'm confused. Is Megumi a guy or girl with a altered memory because of the wish. I just got into the manga but i love some spoilers. O, I want to read the manga but i was wondering if a website allows you to read manga with out buying the books like the spectrum does. How much would it cost to buy the the manga seies total? I also love gender bender stories. Is Cheeky angel and ranma the only ones? Btw, If you somehow changed into a girl and adopt the natural female instinicts that would not make you Homesexual because your attract to the oppisite gender. Now if you still have your original instinicts after transformation, that would make you homosexual.
NoSanninWa
2006-07-13, 01:44
If you're confused, please remember what powers the demon demonstrated. In all the wishes it granted, all it did was mess with people's minds. It is safe to say that it doesn't have the power to change Megumi's gender. She was a girl from the beginning and the demon only changed her and Miki's memory.
dieseltrain
2006-07-14, 11:42
If you're confused, please remember what powers the demon demonstrated. In all the wishes it granted, all it did was mess with people's minds. It is safe to say that it doesn't have the power to change Megumi's gender. She was a girl from the beginning and the demon only changed her and Miki's memory.
what u are saying is correct. mike and megumi were always girls.
yea i just watch some episode on you tube i realised what your saying is true. I just wish people released episodes much faster on youtube and/or released it in the states. "I don't have the power to change nature" was one of the lines that i kinda realised that there were girls from day one that i read some spoilers just to help clear the plot line tho. I still enjoy the her life from there out. Once i'm finished watch the first 25 episodes plus read some manga i'm going to write or think about a fanfiction (cause its seems thats not that popular.)
(cause its seems thats not that popular.)
Not so much that it isn't popular but more the case that the manga is something like 7 years old.
that may be true, but ranma is like what 20 years old? That that to me is great o and thanx for helping get my last 5 episodes. :)
dieseltrain
2009-07-09, 11:30
i heard a special extra story was released later in shonen jump taking place a few months after the events at the end of the manga, and i can't seem to find it? anyone seen it? care to share it?
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