The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 6]

[monir]

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[CrowKenobi]

Unfortunately, I'll be at work so I can't watch it "live." Hopefully we'll get out of the loop this episode (unless there are six E8 eps!).

Just trying to guess how many posts we'll have when I log in after work, and how many (if we don't get our resolution) will be of the cranky variety... :heh:

EDIT: The episode hasn't aired yet! How come someone voted??? I think that the poll needs to be closed until a couple of hours after the first airing...

Double EDIT: Monir: :heh: Too true... As long as the blame is rightly placed. :D

[monir]

Some divine retribution is in need to show the lost sheep in those production companies the way. Taking ones viewers for granted is never a sound business practice.

[aegisofrime]

morgus (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=77700) is from the future, boys. And he says that Endless Eight ends today!

[morgus]

I wasn't paying attention. :(

[jeffp]

morgus (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=77700) has voted before the episode started, and can no longer be trusted. :D

He must be from the future! meaning the future now exists...therefore the E8 loop ends!

[Ikonomi]

He must be from the future! meaning the future now exists...therefore the E8 loop ends!

Meaning he must be in league with Mikuru Asahina's organization... So exactly how old is she, anyway?

[aegisofrime]

Ok, updated my earlier post to speak the truth!

[monir]

I think we have embarrassed Morgus enough. Let's divert our attention to the episode at hand.

What does it have in store for us? My state of mind is like a lab-rat's who is afraid to touch the cheese because it provides a painful electrical jolt. Another Endless? Continuation? Hopefully, I'll be brave enough to download and may even open it in the media player to find out.

[Myssa Rei]

I'm just wondering if this thread will beat the one from last week in sheer number of posts (or ranting for that mater). Now where was my T-51b kept again?

My Laptop's primed and ready regardless.

[Jintor]

Some have come forth from America, Britain, Australia, all to leech ones and zeroes from the fabled land of Japan to discover how next the plot will unfold. Will today be the day we discover the resolution to the Endless Eight? Or will we crash and burn into another failed cycle, yet another loop from which there is no escape? TONIGHT, ladies and gentlement, tonight we shall discover what has been pre-planned and pre-ordained, what has been in the making for months on end. TONIGHT, we discover our FUTURE!

That is to say, if Mazui's not subbing this, am I going to have to wait for AFK subs? D:

[Eak]

I do hope Mazui is going to sub this episode... they're quite fast! (kudos to them!)

[OkamiNoKaze]

I think we're going to see Kyon watching baseball, Mikuru crying, Yuki buying a mask, and I really hope for once, they animate with sound the karoake session, maybe get a cool insert song out of this whole mess, oh and I hope they get out of the loop.

[Peanutbutter003]

I'll watch it live again and amuse myself with more raging later, again. :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

I think we have embarrassed Morgus enough. Let's divert our attention to the episode at hand.

What does it have in store for us? My state of mind is like a lab-rat's who is afraid to touch the cheese because it provides a painful electrical jolt. Another Endless? Continuation? Hopefully, I'll be brave enough to download and may even open it in the media player to find out.

It'll be "Haruhawesome". Where that lands us on the regular awesome scale and just how it converts remains a mystery, but I figure I'll try to phrase my expectations in a positive sounding manner that I can then rationalize after the episode has aired. :cool:

[Slobodan]

Something tells me if they've gone this far there might actually be eight episodes of EE. Nevertheless I will watch the whole thing as I have been doing so far.

[Dante of the Inferno]

And we'll answer all your dark and burning questions, LIKE:

How many cycles does it take to break the Endless Eight?

Does Haruhi really think that's a "nice plane?"

Why does Mikuru talk with spoiler tags?

And why does Kyoani torture us so?

[Myssa Rei]

*insert Warhammer 40k quote*

HOPE IS THE FIRST STEP ON THE ROAD TO DISAPPOINTMENT.

Also, while I'm not exactly expecting snow bunnies and roses, it still remains to be seen if viewers will keep their heads regardless of the result of the episode, or be frothing at the mouth screaming "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" (to be retorted immediately by "Harriers for the cup!") and making a beeline for the Kadokawa Shoten offices.

[Ikonomi]

It's funny that most of the posts in Endless Eight threads are actually meta-discussion -- discussion about fan reactions, Kyoto Animation's and Kadokawa's motives, implications of repeating Endless Eight, whatever else. There's been so much more of that than discussion of the episodes themselves!

I guess it's kind of inevitable.

Anyway, in all likelihood we're going to have another unresolved loop today. I'm hoping for a really off-the-wall episode where Kyon and the others are told exactly how many times they've discovered the loop and as a result go buckwild attempting to break out of their endless recursion.

...only to have it fail next week.

The craziness would be worth yet another iteration of Endless Eight.

[Jonbob0008]

I also hope we actually get to see Kyon's reaction to Itsuki's idea that he himself tells Haruhi that he loves her when Kyon declines to do it himself. I'm sure his reaction will be full of win.

[Slobodan]

I also hope we actually get to see Kyon's reaction to Itsuki's idea that he himself tells Haruhi that he loves her when Kyon declines to do it himself. I'm sure his reaction will be full of win.

Such as it would, I believe Itsuki said something along the lines of how it would just confuse Haruhi and thus hasn't done it so far. I admit that thought has crossed my mind almost every time.

[Jonbob0008]

He did, but there was a brief moment where Kyon face is intentionally not shown before Itsuki says that. I'm sure he looked pissed until Itsuki took it back.

[Likely]

when exactly does it air in japan?

[Daniel E.]

What does it have in store for us?

I think I have reached a point where I honestly don't mind what's in store for us as far as Endless Eight is concerned.

I for once, will try to enjoy (the whole deal :p) regardless of the final outcome.

[risingstar3110]

I think I have reached a point where I honestly don't mind what's in store for us as far as Endless Eight is concerned.

I for once, will try to enjoy (the whole deal :p) regardless of the final outcome.
Total agree here :p

[Fushichou7]

In before nerdrage over endless eight not ending.

[Jintor]

He did, but there was a brief moment where Kyon face is intentionally not shown before Itsuki says that. I'm sure he looked pissed until Itsuki took it back.

It's obviously intentional that they hide it, but it's really weird to think of Kyon changing expressions so fast.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I think I have reached a point where I honestly don't mind what's in store for us as far as Endless Eight is concerned.

I for once, will try to enjoy (the whole deal :p) regardless of the final outcome.

I will also try to enjoy it. Not saying I will if it doesn't bring it, I'm not the type who just accepts everything that is thrown at me, but I will try nonetheless.

Kind of sad when I have to say put it that way though. Just be a decent episode, that's all I'm asking for this one. Not going to expect big things.

[Jintor]

We should start another poll on whether it's going to end this week or not.

My vibe says no.

[Daniel E.]

I will also try to enjoy it. Not saying I will if it doesn't bring it, I'm not the type who just accepts everything that is thrown at me, but I will try nonetheless.

Kind of sad when I have to say put it that way though. Just be a decent episode, that's all I'm asking for this one. Not going to expect big things.

Oh, I am not that type of fan either.

Regardless if I end up liking it or not, I am just gonna make the most out of this without getting worked up about it. :p :p

[Dr. Casey]

We should start another poll on whether it's going to end this week or not.

My vibe says no.

Kyon-kun, denwa~

[Myssa Rei]

Muda da!

MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA!

Time check on the stream?

what is it now? Like 3 and a half hours to another disappointment? I work today and won't know if this was another troll(Im about 95% sure it is). Feel sorry for people watching live, rage meters will be through the roof:P.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

(Harriers for the Cup!)

I will also try to enjoy it. Not saying I will if it doesn't bring it, I'm not the type who just accepts everything that is thrown at me, but I will try nonetheless.

Kind of sad when I have to say put it that way though. Just be a decent episode, that's all I'm asking for this one. Not going to expect big things.

BLESSED IS THE MIND TOO SMALL FOR DOUBT!

I have no hope that this loop is gonna end this episode.


My only hope is that the animation might be less K-on like this instance.


I think it bears repeating...

HOPE IS THE FIRST STEP ON THE ROAD TO DISAPPOINTMENT.

[Rice_slayer]

what is it now? Like 3 and a half hours to another disappointment? I work today and won't know if this was another troll(Im about 95% sure it is). Feel sorry for people watching live, rage meters will be through the roof:P.

[Roger Rambo]

I have no hope that this loop is gonna end this episode.


My only hope is that the animation might be less K-on like this instance.

[SSJiffy]

The calm before the storm. Please let it end already ( ._.)

[Jill-Jênn]

Will it be broadcast in 4 hours? Isn't it sooner on [the link you know]?

[Dakota]

Live from AnimeSuki, it's Thursday Morning!

[phizzy]

It's obviously intentional that they hide it, but it's really weird to think of Kyon changing expressions so fast.

I obviously missed the expression that my face might have shown. I didn't have a mirror on me at the time. Although Koizumi seemed to have read my mind...

We won't be seeing his reaction. :p

[GMT]

I do hope Mazui is going to sub this episode... they're quite fast! (kudos to them!)
If it's another iteration of the loop, who needs subs? I'm going to end up learning Japanese by the time this is all said and done. :D

[Jintor]

I found a cool bunch of links on TVTropes on this page about Endless Eight.

The joke's in where the links lead.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScapegoatCreator

[TadloS]

So, when does live stream begins? And is there any link to live stream ?

[Solachinx]

Yay! One hour until it airs! I can just smell the 1s :D

[jonli]

Isn't kind of funny how when Endless Eight loops.

So does out forum discussion?

Fan1: RAGE!
Fan2: RAGE HARDER!
Fan3: RAGE HARDEST!
Fan4: Now now this is artistic, they know what they're doing.
Fan5: No they don't Yamakan left!
Fan6: I'm giving up on this anime!
Fan7: We won't miss you!
Fan8: I'm enjoying the troll :D

Unless of course Kyon figures it out this time. We're all counting on you man TOMOKAZU SUGITA!

[Solachinx]

I'd be Fan 8 by this point. In a couple years when Haruhi is on another 3 year haitus, we'll all be looking back at this and laughing if we haven't gone delightfully insane because of the lackage of Novel 10 :D

[typhonsentra]

Rumor has it that this is the end of the loop and next week they'll start on Disappearance!!!!!! :D

[Dakota]

Rumor has it that this is the end of the loop and next week they'll start on Disappearance!!!!!! :D

Sorry, but I'm calling b.s. on you with that absurd amount of exclamation points and lack of source.

[SealkidHaruhiism]

Rumor has it that this is the end of the loop and next week they'll start on Disappearance!!!!!! :D

WTH?

where did you got that info from

[Jintor]

Sorry Dakota, I'm afraid he said the magic word 'rumour'. You can't disprove that a rumour exists! It's a rumour!

[TadloS]

Rumor has it that this is the end of the loop and next week they'll start on Disappearance!!!!!! :D

Actually, I don't think that we will get disappearance in this 2nd season at all. And I doubt that this week endless eight will end. Probably next week will end.

[Dakota]

Sorry Dakota, I'm afraid he said the magic word 'rumour'. You can't disprove that a rumour exists! It's a rumour!

:(

*goes home, gets stoned*

[Myssa Rei]

*snips for the sake of sanity*


You realize though that in many forums, linking to TV Tropes is tantamount to a sentence to the gaols?

Time check on the stream?

[bubbathemaster]

Is there a 2ch thread already?

[M.Marangio]

According to this page: http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1639, Teletama delayed the airing of Haruhi by 30 minutes for the next three weeks (25:30 instead of 25:00); there may also be delays on Sun TV (normal airing time: 24:40, in 15 minutes).

ETA: There are no threads on 2chan (yet).

[Myssa Rei]

According to this page: http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1639, Teletama delayed the airing of Haruhi by 30 minutes for the next three weeks (25:30 instead of 25:00); there may also be delays on Sun TV (normal airing time: 24:40, in half an hour).

Let the knee-jerk conspiracies begin!

It's an interesting decision to make though. I was under the impression that TV timeslots aren't really that flexible, as it IS paid airtime.

[bayoab]

Let the knee-jerk conspiracies begin!

It's an interesting decision to make though. I was under the impression that TV timeslots aren't really that flexible, as it IS paid airtime.

They aren't "flexible". This is basically the station switching over from nationwide TV to informertial time so if the nationwide broadcasts are late, the infomertials start late too.

[Rungelunge]

I'm watching the program before the Haruhi's episode and there is haruhi's hair everywhere! This is somewhat sinister... http://i32.tinypic.com/rm62s5.png

[Dakota]

I'm watching the program before the Haruhi's episode and there is haruhi's hair everywhere! This is somewhat sinister... http://i32.tinypic.com/rm62s5.png

Where... do you watch this live? Also, pics or lies.

[Rungelunge]

http://i29.tinypic.com/121ek3t.png

[bayoab]

Haruhi SUN TV broadcast time BUMPED +25 min. To start at 12:05PM EST.

[Myssa Rei]

Rungelunge: EGADS! That's just... Wrong. On so many levels.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

http://i29.tinypic.com/121ek3t.png

I've been watching on the same site. Just saw the Harry Potter trailer and Haruhi's hair showed up on the logo.:heh:

[TakariCritic]

There should be a 2ch link by now. could someone fluent in moonspeak please link it?

[Dakota]

I've been watching on the same site. Just saw the Harry Potter trailer and Haruhi's hair showed up on the logo.:heh:

I saw that too. I lol'd.

[wittyusername]

http://i29.tinypic.com/121ek3t.png

What the hell?

[TakariCritic]

I, for one, was sorely disappointed in the new Harry Potter movie. When you sacrifice important plot point for bad teenage drama, there's something amiss.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

I saw that too. I lol'd.

The Gilette Fusion commercial that just aired right now was the funniest. Nothing says "Razor for men" than having a man with Haruhi hair use it.

[Myssa Rei]

Wow, didn't really pay attention to the stuff that came before the airing the last episode, but did this happen too? Crazy stuff.

Anyone still saying that it's not a publicity stunt of some sort?

[Animexcel]

i wanna see the haruhi hair prank-thing ! D:

[Water]

Next episode will be out in less than a few hours :cool:

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Wow, didn't really pay attention to the stuff that came before the airing the last episode, but did this happen too? Crazy stuff.

Anyone still saying that it's not a publicity stunt of some sort?

I think the streamer just applied a program like those you have for video conferences, when you could attach CG accessories to people's heads by having a program recognizing faces. It's probably not visible on JP tv.

[M.Marangio]

2chan link for the Teletama airing (25:30) and for the Sun TV airing (25:05) were deleted.

[Peanutbutter003]

This is off-topic but Tokyo 8.0 looks not bad.

[TakariCritic]

Thank you, Mr. Marangio.

[Malkuth]

Damn and then wait 20 minutes to see if next week Haruhi will finally start :frustrated:

[typhonsentra]

Wow, Magnitude is pretty exciting.

Edit: What the hell? Why does the stream keep switching shows?

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

This is off-topic but Tokyo 8.0 looks not bad.

After not having much to watch this summer as far as anime I started checking out other shows and came across episode 1 of TM8 and enjoyed it very much. Now its on my list of things to watch.

[Myssa Rei]

LOL at the poster that made a preemptive PAINFUL vote. The episode hasn't even AIRED yet, and someone is already docking it? Can you see a future we cannot? :D

[typhonsentra]

LOL at the poster that made a preemptive PAINFUL vote. The episode hasn't even AIRED yet,

Strangely appropriate name too. :p

[SealkidHaruhiism]

Tokyo 8.0
is a good show.
I might watch that.

[baltakatei]

This is off-topic but Tokyo 8.0 looks not bad.

Yeah, it was a good move for Playstation2 to show that. I thought for a moment that it'd be a good plot for a real epic Haruhi Disappearance. Or maybe Haruhi watched one-too-many disaster movies and decided she wanted to film herself going through a disaster. =P

[TakariCritic]

So... um... apparently Koizumi's swimwear this week is a speedo.

Excuse me while I burst into a fit of laughter.

[M.Marangio]

So... um... apparently Koizumi's swimwear this week is a speedo.

Excuse me while I burst into a fit of laughter.

...and Yuki in a school swimsuit...
NAGATONOSUKUMIZU

[Solachinx]

OK, now in order to make the ending epic we will need not only Dead Language Chanting, but a giant musical number called "Destination: Procrastination" with Samual L. Jackson playing Haruhi. Hoo-ha!

[Sho-tan]

I'm not sure, but it looks like Yuki bought the Ultraman mask this time, could this be the last one?

[Solachinx]

I'm not sure, but it looks like Yuki bought the Ultraman mask this time, could this be the last one?

What do the Yukata look like?

[baltakatei]

The artwork for this episode seems particularly well-made. The preview stills I'm pulling down from 2chan are beautiful.

[Dakota]

What do the Yukata look like?

like this

http://dec.2chan.net:81/24/src/1247760846958.jpg

[Dr. Casey]

The artwork for this episode seems particularly well-made. The preview stills I'm pulling down from 2chan are beautiful.

Must mean that this is the last episode of Endless Eights and they're trying to go out with a bang!

[TakariCritic]

What do the Yukata look like?

Haruhi in striped, Mikuru in polka-dots... not the novel's set ;_;

[Ice Block]

Art-wise, this seems to be the best E8 so far...

[Solachinx]

The artwork for this episode seems particularly well-made. The preview stills I'm pulling down from 2chan are beautiful.

Yes, especially the Yuki shots.

EDIT: Nice watch

[Ice Block]

And... we're now at loop 15521!

[Solachinx]

I predict we have two episodes left of E8.

[SaraFilipa]

So... It's not over yet, right? xD

[Malkuth]

Finally, it started! Now, let's see if the torture ends in 20 minutes :twitch:

[Kirarakim]

LOL at the poster that made a preemptive PAINFUL vote. The episode hasn't even AIRED yet, and someone is already docking it? Can you see a future we cannot? :D

Silly this is Haruhi you don't need to actually watch the episode to vote for it. That's beneath the series. ;)

[Kittie Rose]

Honestly, this is just a huge waste of money at this stage. I don't think it's making as much of an impact as a troll as it could have because a lot of people have just lost interest. If they hadn't snuck the episodes in the middle of a re-run and made a big deal of it, the troll would have been much more effective.

What are the "Notable" differences this time around?

[SaraFilipa]

Finally, it started! Now, let's see if the torture ends in 20 minutes :twitch:
Apparently, it does/did not. ;)

[typhonsentra]

Finally, it started! Now, let's see if the torture ends in 20 minutes :twitch:

It's already finished on another station. Pictures imply another loop.

[panzerfan]

And finally, it's not over. The summer vacation continues... today's still not the first day of the school term.

[Midonin]

If they hadn't snuck the episodes in the middle of a re-run and made a big deal of it
They didn't make a big deal of it at all. Nobody was absoloutely certain there were going to be new episodes until there were new episodes, and even then it took a few weeks for other sources to begin acknowledging them. The fans are the ones who made a big deal of this.

[Dr. Casey]

Honestly, this is just a huge waste of money at this stage. I don't think it's making as much of an impact as a troll as it could have because a lot of people have just lost interest.

Yeah, I've gone from annoyance and frustration to resigned boredom. I think the rage levels for the community peaked with the last episode.

In Endless Eights Part IV, there was a more fatigued, melancholy tone to the episode, in contrast to the very fresh and normal Part I. Does Endless Eights V continue that trend of Kyon becoming somewhat more tired and listless as the episodes progress? If so, then that's something for me to look forward to, I guess.

[Sho-tan]

Honestly, this is just a huge waste of money at this stage. I don't think it's making as much of an impact as a troll as it could have because a lot of people have just lost interest. If they hadn't snuck the episodes in the middle of a re-run and made a big deal of it, the troll would have been much more effective.

What are the "Notable" differences this time around?

Well, they skipped the Yukata buying.

[Kittie Rose]

They didn't make a big deal of it at all. Nobody was absoloutely certain there were going to be new episodes until there were new episodes, and even then it took a few weeks for other sources to begin acknowledging them. The fans are the ones who made a big deal of this.

No, I mean they should have made a big deal of it if they wanted to make some kind of artistic statement or troll, though I don't like your attitude. It's not surprising the fans would make a big deal of this.

[panzerfan]

By the way, this image might have you think of déjà vu

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4088/12477624243592486826.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/12477624243592486826.jpg/)
(2ch, 2009)

[Ascaloth]

There are two VERY interesting screens on the 2ch thread...

http://dec.2chan.net:81/24/src/1247761843326.jpg

http://dec.2chan.net:81/24/src/1247761894845.gif

Anyone up for translating this on the fly? It may well be important, but I dunno.

[SealkidHaruhiism]

Well, they skipped the Yukata buying.

They skipped alot because Kyoani wants to end Endless Eight arc.

[typhonsentra]

Wow, the music in this scene is awful, way too loud too. It's drowning out their voices.

[Peanutbutter003]

I thought I saw Azu-nyan. :heh:

[Malkuth]

Damn it's only 15521 :frustrated:

More iterations will follow ... give me a break :upset:

[sirn]

There are two VERY interesting screens on the 2ch thread...

http://dec.2chan.net:81/24/src/1247761843326.jpg

http://dec.2chan.net:81/24/src/1247761894845.gif

Anyone up for translating this on the fly? It may well be important, but I dunno.

#1 "We're sorry. We pick up the wrong tape for Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu."
#2 A funny Evangelion joke parodying Anno's announcement of Rebuild of Evangelion, IIRC.

They're recurring 2ch/Futaba joke. Not really related to the show.

[Solachinx]

I think I might've found a way to find out how many E8 eps there are, but I'm still proofreading it.

[Dakota]

Dedication at justin.tv:

12:32zizi_yo: i just pooped my pants a little and it smells but i cant change them or ill miss the new haruhi episode

[Raiga]

I thought that was Azunyan too. XD

Holy @*&^!! this thread moves fast.

[typhonsentra]

That actuallly looks fun.

[SealkidHaruhiism]

what the hell?
Whats with that clock?
30 what?

[Fushichou7]

Endless summer sure is endless.

[Malkuth]

And as the repeating episodes are not enough we got four times the final scenes ... god damn it!

[Peanutbutter003]

And Endless Eight ends....













NOT! :heh:

And as the repeating episodes are not enough we got four times the final scenes ... god damn it!

It smacks of laziness. From Mikuru covering Haruhi's face when saying the goldfish, to Kyon with his back facing us viewers after he approaches Nagato, I'm not surprised the entire episode stinks of budget, or the lack of it.

The repeating final scenes take the cake. Oh yeah, and the clock ticking.

Oh boy.

[AniOta]

＼(＾o＾)／ ＼(＾o＾)／ ＼(＾o＾)／

[typhonsentra]

God, they were just killing time like crazy at the end of this episode. They didn't even bother to hide all the repeated animation and that stupid shot of the clock. 1/10

[Arrnea]

9/10

I rolled around laughing for a while.
The ticking of the clock at the end was very interesting... I haven't seen that done before.

[Game8910]

im used to it now...im no longer angry....im actually enjoying it now....weird huh...6/10

[Tempester]

That was...

http://h.imagehost.org/0249/19_3.jpg (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0249/19_3)

Not much else to say. :cool:

[panzerfan]

Well, about the only thing comparable to this would be an endless recursion of the End of Evangelion... at this rate. Maybe convince Gainax to reanimated the end for a few more times at least...

at any rate, some people in 2ch have also burned out like white ash by this point.

[LumpOfCole]

From justin.tv:

It takes less time for Goku to summon a spirit bomb than it takes for this arc to end.

[baltakatei]

Okay, I'm not sure if the streaming video I was watching was glitching, but when Kyon was angsting on what to do to keep Haruhi happy, did I hear Haruhi say the same phrase 3 times over?

[Krishina]

I haven't actually seen the episode yet, but judging by everyone's reactions here and on 2ch, it hasn't ended yet. No surprises there. :p

Ah well, I expected this. Now I hope they actually do make eight episodes of Endless Eight, since KyoAni has already gone this far. Might as well finish what they started!

[SealkidHaruhiism]

In the end, Kyon was drawing an 8 on Haruhi's paper?

[Game8910]

i will say though regardless of the repetition they sure know how to make the final scene suspenseful....I was literally yelling "GOOOOOOOOOO KYON!!!!!" at that point...props KyoAni for actually getting a reaction out of me every week with the same material

[SidVicious]

In the end, Kyon was drawing an 8 on Haruhi's paper?

Or maybe it's ∞

[Jill-Jênn]

Ya (I wanted to put a post without those parentheses but it didn't work).

Edit: It was an 8 looking like ∞ because he was drawing it endlessly.

[Raiga]

Okay, I'm not sure if the streaming video I was watching was glitching, but when Kyon was angsting on what to do to keep Haruhi happy, did I hear Haruhi say the same phrase 3 times over?

They looped the same final scene with Haruhi saying "I'll give you guys tomorrow off etc." four times in a row while Kyon was thinking.

[Gensing]

i definitely saw Azu-nyan in this episode.

[Arrnea]

i definitely saw Azu-nyan in this episode.
Who is Azu-nyan?

[Game8910]

go watch K-ON

[Dr. Casey]

Azu-nyan is Azusa, one of the best characters from K-ON.

[SealkidHaruhiism]

Who is Azu-nyan?
From K-ON!

[Arrnea]

go watch K-ON
I might. Eventually... I have more things to watch first.
Like Trigun, CLANNAD and Gurren Lagann, to name a few.

Azu-nyan is Azusa, one of the best characters from K-ON.
Thanks.

From K-ON!
Also, thankyou.

If you're somehow implying that this episode had a K-ONified art style, I disagree.

[baltakatei]

They looped the same final scene with Haruhi saying "I'll give you guys tomorrow off etc." four times in a row while Kyon was thinking.

Did you check everyone's clothes to see if they were the same? I was thinking it would be an interesting way to run through tons of iterations. Just repeat the same scene over and over with slightly different positions of everyone. Remember the rapid slideshow of Haruhi when Kyon was naming off the different hairstyles she wore throughout the week? I thought something similar to that was about to happen. Maybe that's what we need... 5 minutes of Kyon failing in the restaurant over and over until he gets it right.

[Gensing]

If you're somehow implying that this episode had a K-ONified art style, I disagree.

I'm not, was just a little joke about one of the girls at the pool ;)

[Ice Block]

And the loop rolls on! Damn, they could have ended it then and there if they didn't repeat the last scene several times (and it would've been full of suspense if the other channel got the delays too). Oh well, at least I can safely say that this episode is up to season 1 standards. This had many instances of:

Moving, living backgrounds.
Moving, living background characters.
Koizumi's exaggerated hand gestures.
Consistent blinking.


And maybe others I couldn't tell coz of the stream quality. Also, the music was a little more livelier than previous iterations sans the 1st. Yuki's infodump scene particularly had a rather melancholic bgm this time around though.

Now I'm looking forward to next week's episode to hear my new favorite quote: Kyon-kun, denwa...:heh:

[Raiga]

Did you check everyone's clothes to see if they were the same? I was thinking it would be an interesting way to run through tons of iterations. Just repeat the same scene over and over with slightly different positions of everyone. Remember the rapid slideshow of Haruhi when Kyon was naming off the different hairstyles she wore throughout the week? I thought something similar to that was about to happen. Maybe that's what we need... 5 minutes of Kyon failing in the restaurant over and over until he gets it right.

I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed. It was the same scene.

[Malkuth]

If you're somehow implying that this episode had a K-ONified art style, I disagree.

Not as bad as last time, but yes, LS and K-On! are now the de facto art/animation style for KyoAni along with no plot (TM), like crappy 3D and plot failure for GONZO.

[Dakota]

Okay, I'm not sure if the streaming video I was watching was glitching, but when Kyon was angsting on what to do to keep Haruhi happy, did I hear Haruhi say the same phrase 3 times over?

I got that too. They did it for dramatic effect and just to rile us up. The chat on justin.tv was all pissy. And hilarious.


Also 7/10

[panzerfan]

This may be no consolation, but KyoAni's public announcement has been that:


This week we aired the wrong Haruhi Suzumiya episode. We are truly sorry. Please continue to support us in the future.

[Dr. Casey]

Amazing.

I have to hand it to Kyoto Animation. They're an interesting group, at least.

[Animexcel]

This may be no consolation, but KyoAni's public announcement has been that:

I wonder what difference it would make if they grabbed the right episode lol...

[Arrnea]

This may be no consolation, but KyoAni's public announcement has been that:

Source on this?

[Game8910]

This may be no consolation, but KyoAni's public announcement has been that:

I thought that screen wasn't legit.....

[panzerfan]

Source on this?
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1639/1247761843326.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/1247761843326.jpg/)

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by KyoAni's announcement for Endless ∞
This week we aired the wrong Haruhi Suzumiya episode. We are truly sorry. Please continue to support us in the future.


Cool, can we have Sighs now?

[baltakatei]

Source on this?

Photoshop probably.

[Game8910]

srsly....that looks fake IMO

[Dr. Casey]

So did they air... what, Endless Eights Part VI or VII? Or was this actually the right episode and they're just screwing with us?

[Arrnea]

Photoshop probably.
Heh. That wouldn't surprise me.

[Dakota]

Photoshop probably.

This was in the 2chan thread though as a screen shot maybe? That could mean something or nothing at all.

[panzerfan]

Well, the Evangelion-esque text is a parody and a mockery. As for this thou...

[Arrnea]

So did they air... what, Endless Eights Part VI or VII? Or was this actually the right episode and they're just screwing with us?
There are no 'parts' to this episode.
Each one has been titled simply "Endless Eight".

[FlashFumo]

Man, I've been away for a long time!
So, um, how about that Endless Eight? Still endless? :p

[Sackett]

I found a cool bunch of links on TVTropes on this page about Endless Eight.

The joke's in where the links lead.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScapegoatCreator

Endless Eight is inspiring other things on TV Tropes as well:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=iqk0wlv0cqx622lx9ls2nxr1

[mokuseimaru]

It would seem that it was just another loop. I think this confirms that they're just trolling us---I reckon that message from 2ch about it being done as six episodes from the beginning because Kadokawa wants to blow smoke in the face of its fans. The "Disappearance" images were just a troll: there's no way they can get through it now.

Let me also say that I'm not going to watch this episode, and yes I gave it a one. I feel totally justified in doing so.

The only thing I'm pleased about is that no one seems to be defending this on artistic grounds anymore. It's a troll and they're not even bothering to hide it.

[SealkidHaruhiism]

Is the 42 episodes real or not?

[Peanutbutter003]

Maybe the apology was because of the "repeats" at the end of this episode.

It seemed really off to me.

[ReneeBurossamu]

Kyon, you failed. Why not just take Itsuki's suggestion man?
btw, if Endless Eight is really eight episodes, that leaves 6 episodes for Sighs and Disappearance. IF IT ENDS, considering the amount of bullshit they can pull, they could be able to fill up those six. Maybe. But I'm just hoping. Which I should give up.

LOL@ Koizumi with speedos.

[Water]

I am actually laughing, so much so that tears are coming out from my eyes, genuinely.


This is what makes Haruhi so unconventional and interesting.

Next week's episode should be the end of the loop, apparently. :p

[Dakota]

It would seem that it was just another loop. I think this confirms that they're just trolling us---I reckon that message from 2ch about it being done as six episodes from the beginning because Kadokawa wants to blow smoke in the face of its fans. The "Disappearance" images were just a troll: there's no way they can get through it now.

Let me also say that I'm not going to watch this episode, and yes I gave it a one. I feel totally justified in doing so.

The only thing I'm pleased about is that no one seems to be defending this on artistic grounds anymore. It's a troll and their not even bothering to hide it.

We can speculate as much as we want, and either way there's a room full of Asians in a big building in Kyoto laughing at all of us right now.

So go ahead and get pissy all you want. They're going to air what they're going to air. We can't see what's coming, and that's the way they want to keep it. Maybe they'll give us what we want in the end. It's not over until it's over.

[OverMaster]

The only thing I'm pleased about is that no one seems to be defending this on artistic grounds anymore.

Oh, just wait half a page or so.

[Peanutbutter003]

Oh, just wait half a page or so.

Nope. I have a feeling all the raging has been done, completed and exhausted in the last thread.

In this one, you'll see resignation, fatigue and despondence. :heh:

[Dr. Casey]

The only thing I'm pleased about is that no one seems to be defending this on artistic grounds anymore.

Yeah... I did consider the third iteration of Endless Eights to be very artistic at the time, but now it's more of a social experiment than anything. I'm still going to watch the episode, though, and I'll probably enjoy myself despite how obnoxious this is. I wonder if the feelings of those who've defended episodes past (relentlessflame, CrowKenobi, Jintor, etc) have changed any.

Nope. I have a feeling all the raging has been done, completed and exhausted in the last thread.

In this one, you'll see resignation, fatigue and despondence.

Which is why it's such an interesting social experiment and experience in general. :heh:

[Takamura Mamoru]

There's been so much more of that than discussion of the episodes themselves!

It's the same episode over and over again - No need for discussions. :p

Didn't watch the episode, don't intend to.

[Gensing]

Next week's episode should be the end of the loop, apparently. :p

I too subscribe too this line of thought. I believe that the loop will end next week as well.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Watch as the loop doesn't end next week, either. :rolleyes:

In any case, if the 42 episodes thing is really true, then an Endless Endless Eight is fine with me. This episode seems pretty interesting anyway, so I'm looking forward to watching it.

[Water]

Watch as the loop doesn't end next week, either. :rolleyes:

In any case, if the 42 episodes thing is really true, then an Endless Endless Eight is fine with me. This episode seems pretty interesting anyway, so I'm looking forward to watching it.

It will probably be 28 episodes of "The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi" and 14 episodes of "The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi".

That's what I hope.

[mokuseimaru]

We can speculate as much as we want, and either way there's a room full of Asians in a big building in Kyoto laughing at all of us right now.

So go ahead and get pissy all you want. They're going to air what they're going to air. We can't see what's coming, and that's the way they want to keep it. Maybe they'll give us what we want in the end. It's not over until it's over.

They can laugh at me all I want. But I'll do my bit by not buying a DVD I might otherwise have bought, and not adding views to their products on YouTube (ads on Haruhi videos have made Kadokawa a cool 10 mil).

In all honesty, you can't really even call it a troll, because a troll trolls for trolling's sake, to satisfy the meanness he represses in daily life. This is just a cynical ploy to raise hype whilst extending the series, hypothetically increasing the size of their bank book in the end.

I think that if next week doesn't end this, I'll be giving up on the series for quite awhile. Maybe I'll check back in after the fact, but if more than half of the season is Endless Eight, then it's not even worth bothering with.

[Water]

They can laugh at me all I want. But I'll do my bit by not buying a DVD I might otherwise have bought, and not adding views to their products on YouTube (ads on Haruhi videos have made Kadokawa a cool 10 mil).

In all honesty, you can't really even call it a troll, because a troll trolls for trolling's sake, to satisfy the meanness he represses in daily life. This is just a cynical ploy to raise hype whilst extending the series, hypothetically increasing the size of their bank book in the end.

I think that if next week doesn't end this, I'll be giving up on the series for quite awhile. Maybe I'll check back in after the fact, but if more than half of the season is Endless Eight, then it's not even worth bothering with.

I think that you need some cooling down.

I was in your camp about 2 weeks ago as well. Like you, I felt disgusted by the apparent "trolling" of Kyoani/ Kadokawa or/and whoever that was/were involved in this "scheme".

However, if you cool your head and take a step back, everything comes into place. All those "gimmicks" are what make "Haruhi" "haruhiish".

If you had ever followed the first season, you should be able to grasp my point.

[OverMaster]

However, if you cool your head and take a step back, everything comes into place. All these "gimmicks" make "Haruhi" "haruhiish".


No, they make it an intended scam. A scam that you shouldn't be angry about, since only those who are willing to fall for it will fall for it. But a scam regardless.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I think that you need some cooling down.

I was in your camp about 2 weeks ago as well. Like you, I felt disgusted by the apparent "trolling" of Kyoani/ Kadokawa or whoever that is involved in this "scheme".

However, if you cool your head and take a step back, everything comes into place. All these "gimmicks" are what make "Haruhi" "haruhiish".

If you ever followed the first season, you should be able to grasp my point.

Really, it's true. If you consider that Haruhi is supposed to be the director of the series... yeah.

Sure, I'd much rather see more new episodes rather than Endless Eight, but this isn't SO bad. There's much worse out there.

No, they make it an intended scam. A scam that you shouldn't be angry about, since only those who are willing to fall for it will fall for it. But a scam regardless.

It would be a scam had they lied to us. They've said nothing.

We've made up these expectations for ourselves, and if the show failed to live up to them, is it the show's fault?

Is it the show's fault that we as fans expect something that was never promised or even confirmed, in other words?

[Dakota]

It would seem that it was just another loop. I think this confirms that they're just trolling us ... The "Disappearance" images were just a troll: there's no way they can get through it now.

Let me also say that I'm not going to watch this episode, and yes I gave it a one. I feel totally justified in doing so.

The only thing I'm pleased about is that no one seems to be defending this on artistic grounds anymore. It's a troll and they're not even bothering to hide it.

In all honesty, you can't really even call it a troll, because a troll trolls for trolling's sake, to satisfy the meanness he represses in daily life. This is just a cynical ploy to raise hype whilst extending the series, hypothetically increasing the size of their bank book in the end.


Your contradiction leaves me in awe.

Go home.

[mokuseimaru]

I think that you need some cooling down.

I was in your camp about 2 weeks ago as well. Like you, I felt disgusted by the apparent "trolling" of Kyoani/ Kadokawa or whoever that is involved in this "scheme".

However, if you cool your head and take a step back, everything comes into place. All these "gimmicks" are what make "Haruhi" "haruhiish".

If you had ever followed the first season, you should be able to grasp my point.

Airing "The Adventures of Asahina Mikuru" as the first episode would qualify as a gimmick, and a clever one at that. This is just Kadokawa trying to make money while pretending to be edgy. The Wizard is just behind the screen. The King is naked.

As for the term "troll"---I one calls it such, as a comparison to a poster on an internet forum such as this who says things just for the sake of causing controversy and upsetting people. But the metaphor is imperfect, because unlike the internet troll, who is simply donning a mask to fulfill a psychological desire without fear of repercussion, they are acting in a trollish manner because they think it is a sound financial strategy. The appearance is the same, but the motivation is entirely opposite. Theirs is not the laugh of a trickster but the laugh of a con-man.

[Arrnea]

I'd like to know where this 42 figure is coming from (other than it being the Ultimate Answer).
Anyone care to shed light on this?

[Dakota]

I'd like to know where this 42 figure is coming from (other than it being the Ultimate Answer).
Anyone care to shed light on this?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=82440

Check the last few pages.

[Sackett]

Originally Posted by KyoAni's announcement for Endless ∞
This week we aired the wrong Haruhi Suzumiya episode. We are truly sorry. Please continue to support us in the future.

Okay... they have now just achieved a level of awesome... you know, they should have aired the 2nd Endless Eight episode (when they first figure out the loop)- had the apology tacked on at the end, and achieved two levels of awesome at once.

[panzerfan]

@mokuseimaru: (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=98350)

The king is naked alright, but this King of Incas is still hurling out his roomful of gold and melting it down in front of the Spanish conquistadors, if only to spite them. Worst of all, he had not the decency to sheath himself in the very gold that he's got.


Now, for that timeless old creed... "take it easy" as you answer that denwa.

[mokuseimaru]

@mokuseimaru: (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=98350)

The king is naked alright, but this King of Incas is still hurling out his roomful of gold and melting it down for the Spanish conquistadors, if only to spite them. Worst of all, he had not the decency to sheath himself in the very gold that he's got.

The metaphor is not lost on me, but I don't think they're trying to spite us. If I thought that was the case, it would give me some solace, but it seems to me that the aggravation they're creating is not an end in itself but a means to make more money.



It would be a scam had they lied to us. They've said nothing.

We've made up these expectations for ourselves, and if the show failed to live up to them, is it the show's fault?

Is it the show's fault that we as fans expect something that was never promised or even confirmed, in other words?

The images of what appeared to be Haruhi from "Disappearance" contradict this. They are airing these in chronological order, I think it highly unlikely they will get to it. The fact that they put out those images, even if they didn't come out and say, "We'll be airing episodes from 'The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya'" is at best a dishonest tease that may in fact be a prelude to an actual adaption of that work at some point in the future, and at worst a cynical lure to get people to tune in to see something they have no intention of animating any time soon.

[Takamura Mamoru]

Scroll down to recommendations (http://www.anime-planet.com/anime/the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya-2009)

Win or epic win?

[panzerfan]

It's perfectly legitimate in making money and giving an invitation to treat (being the DVDs). Getting angry over a mere invitation to treat doesn't really have reallife impact for the consumer (since they haven't even doled out their cash)

Why is a corporation not supposed to make tease? Intel's roadmap often don't quite materialize as they should come to think of it. Windows had the arguably cynical lure of WinFS SQL based file system as a premise to Windows Vista before...

so don't really feel enraged if your money isn't spent yet.

/off to ontology.

[DJLowrider]

A bit more nondescript with this week's rendition of E8, but still amusing to watch. I liked the scenes that were shot from Kyon's POV. 8/10.

And now I leave this thread and its incessant, unnecessary teeth gnashing, fist pumping and vitriol until next week.

[Kaisos Erranon]

The images of what appeared to be Haruhi from "Disappearance" contradict this. They are airing these in chronological order, I think it highly unlikely they will get to it. The fact that they put out those images, even if they didn't come out and say, "We'll be airing episodes from 'The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya'" is at best a dishonest tease that may in fact be a prelude to an actual adaption of that work at some point in the future, and at worst a cynical lure to get people to tune in to see something they have no intention of animating any time soon.

No, they're just pictures. Without a context, they mean nothing.

It was us who hyped it up in the first place. Blame yourself for expecting something you feel you deserve.


Anyway, I liked this episode. VERY different tone and feel from the previous few, the animation was a lot less budget-saving than, say, E8III, and the art is back to near-S1 'quality'. (No whale-teeth in sight! But those were also in S1 anyway.) It looks like this was done by the team who did E8I, actually.

They've started reusing a lot of the S1 camera techniques (like putting us in Kyon's head), and just general background detail is up a hell of a lot.

I loved the clock thing, too. Kinda suspenseful.

They could definitely end this next week, or they could not. It's very difficult to say at this point. The repetition at the end kind of points to them maybe resolving it next week, but...

Also, where exactly was 'Azu-nyan'? Didn't notice her at all.

Anyway, 7/10, I guess. Not a bad episode at all, especially considering.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Oh my god isn't this brilliant, I mean the trolling and with the balls and only Kyoani can get away with this and the HARUHAWESOME!

Like I said though I have pretty much no standards or even expectations left from this show so I'm probably going to be more positive this week. We're working on a curve now where D is B and C Is A and B is oh my god......

The goal now is just to be average. :heh:

[Ithekro]

There is only one way to tell is one aired the wrong episode this week. And it is for two reasons.
A. The next episode ends and they made the mistake because they had orginally canned this episode due to pressure, but there was a mix up.
or
B. The number of loops in next weeks show will be less than this weeks show, and they just aired them out of order.

I doubt both of these ideas. The way is the number of loops.

[Kaisos Erranon]

There is only one way to tell is one aired the wrong episode this week.
A. The next episode ends and they made the mistake because they had orginally canned this episode due to pressure, but there was a mix up.
or
B. The number of loops in next weeks show will be less than this weeks show, and they just aired them out of order.

I doubt both of these ideas.

That's actually a fake screenshot, if you were wondering. It's nowhere at the end of the episode, nor is it anywhere on the net I can find.

Anyway, the ED animation is still subtly different from last week. could be yet another troll in and of itself, but, well, we'll see.

[DragoonKain3]

Just a headsup, but YSHI is a troll sub. They labeled it eps 16 but in fact is eps 15 (Mazui's IIRC). So for those with limited bandwith, beware. :heh:

[Sackett]

Oh my god isn't this brilliant, I mean the trolling and with the balls and only Kyoani can get away with this and the HARUHAWESOME!

Like I said though I have pretty much no standards or even expectations left from this show so I'm probably going to be more positive this week. We're working on a curve now where D is B and C Is A and B is oh my god......

The goal now is just to be average. :heh:


Average?

Average?????

Look, I don't know what the heck this Endless Eight thing should be called. Good, bad, awesome, sacrilegious, insane... all are possible adjectives to describe Endless Eight. (personally I go with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-Z0SSyUcw) After all, "It can mean exactly what you want it to" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Mn5ANWTyQ).)

However, one thing it cannot be described as is "Average"

Greatness or bust! That had better be the motto for Haruhi Suzumiya.

PS the theoretical meaning of the word "Atoning for educability through delicate beauty." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious) actually describes Haruhi Suzumiya quite well... Well... maybe not the delicate part.

[mokuseimaru]

No, they're just pictures. Without a context, they mean nothing.

It was us who hyped it up in the first place. Blame yourself for expecting something you feel you deserve.



I call bullshit. In June, Haruhi was on the cover of NewType:


http://2disbetterthan3d.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/haruhinewtype.jpg?w=229&h=300

Now, I know novel spoilers are not allowed, but I think it shouldn't be a problem to say that the outfit Haruhi is wearing here was lifted from an illustration from "Disappearance". At no other point in any novel is she depicted wearing such an outfit. There a pre-established context, and they definitely intended for us to read it that way. That is not fanbase hype, that is a lie.

[Game8910]

needless to say, whether its in a good way or bad way, there is 1 thing Haruhi knows how to do...and that is getting attention. I honestly for the life of me cannot think of any anime ever that does things so.....different from the rest.

[Kaisos Erranon]

That is not fanbase hype, that is a lie.

No, it's a picture of Haruhi with long hair in a black school uniform.

Nowhere on that cover does it say "We are animating The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya".

They haven't actually said anything about this new rerun. Ergo, they aren't lying.

Besides, we don't really know how long this new run is going to last for at all.

(Hell, Sighs could even be two episodes.)

We don't know anything. Stop assuming that we do.

[Sackett]

I call bullshit. In June, Haruhi was on the cover of NewType:


http://2disbetterthan3d.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/haruhinewtype.jpg?w=229&h=300

Now, I know novel spoilers are not allowed, but I think it shouldn't be a problem to say that the outfit Haruhi is wearing here was lifted from an illustration from "Disappearance". At no other point in any novel is she depicted wearing such an outfit. There a pre-established context, and they definitely intended for us to read it that way. That is not fanbase hype, that is a lie.

It's only a lie if Disappearance is not animated, which it might be, we don't know yet.

[Mr. Yoso]

Thoughts about this iteration:

- NPC's are animated again!
- awesome camera angles here and there
- fabulous insect animation is fabulous (both the butterfly and the cicadas)
- they put back Mikuru's "kinsoku jikou" dialogue! yay!
- that background shot of the city with the rainbow was just beautiful
- a loop inside a loop! i believe they looped the end scene at the cafe 4 times, a reference to how many times Endless Eight repeated maybe? If so maybe next week we'll see the conclusion (if it ends or not I don't really mind either way)
- the camera rotating with the clock was cool too!

All in all I can't really complain XD
I mean if anyone's gonna lose anything it's obviously K&K not me lol

[Lost-Wisdom]

What is the matter with the people down voting this to 1?

Is the voting poll system so easily abused? :(

[mokuseimaru]

No, it's a picture of Haruhi with long hair in a black school uniform.

Nowhere on that cover does it say "We are animating The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya".

They haven't actually said anything about this new rerun. Ergo, they aren't lying.

Besides, we don't really know how long this new run is going to last for at all.

(Hell, Sighs could even be two episodes.)

We don't know anything. Stop assuming that we do.

It is a uniform that matches one from "Disappearance" down to the tapering ends of the bow. If you think "We are animating The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya" wasn't the message they were trying to convey with that image, then I'd like to know what message they were intending?

I will admit, however, this whole thing will be much less annoying in the long run if they do a true second season in Fall or Winter. But it costs money to make episodes, so even if they do this the quality of the animation will certainly suffer.

[drpassafiume]

That was...

http://h.imagehost.org/0249/19_3.jpg (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0249/19_3)

Not much else to say. :cool:

Thank you tempster...


This is perfect....

[Kaisos Erranon]

It is a uniform that matches one from "Disappearance" down to the tapering ends of the bow. If you think "We are animating The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya" wasn't the message they were trying to convey with that image, then I'd like to know what message they were intending?

So what if it's the same uniform? It's just a picture.

A picture is not concrete information, nor does it mean anything by itself.

We, the fans, were the ones who attached meaning to it. I keep saying this, but...

[Takamura Mamoru]

Whether it was literally stated or not, you can't deny that the implied message was "Disappearance" and then not giving the viewers that is simply mean.

They might not be liars, but they are jerks.

[Sute443]

So what if it's the same uniform? It's just a picture.

A picture is not concrete information, nor does it mean anything by itself.

We, the fans, were the ones who attached meaning to it. I keep saying this, but...

As you speak English fluently, I know there is no plausible way you are unfamiliar with the saying "A picture is worth a thousand words." What words would you associate with the picture?

[Kaisos Erranon]

They might not be liars, but they are jerks.

There, thank you.

Yes, that they are. They are jerks. But they aren't liars. :D

As you speak English fluently, I know there is no plausible way you are unfamiliar with the saying "A picture is worth a thousand words." What words would you associate with the picture?

"Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya"?

That's a subjective assumption based on preexisting knowledge, however. Nowhere in that article did they actually bring up that picture and discuss it.

I know they're fucking with us, I just object to people saying that they're lying. Not the same thing.

[Roger Rambo]

Haven't had the chance to watch the episode yet (summer class) but I'm taking that the animation in this iteration wasn't so shitty as in some of the previous episodes.

[Sute443]

I know they're fucking with us, I just object to people saying that they're lying. Not the same thing.

Would you accept that although they did not technically lie, they were purposefully attempting to lead fans of the novels to a false conclusion? I think we agree on the spirit of what they did, and are just quibbling over technicalities.

[Dakota]

Would you accept that although they did not technically lie, they were purposefully attempting to lead fans of the novels to a false conclusion? I think we agree on the spirit of what they did, and are just quibbling over technicalities.

I accept this.

They're like that girlfriend that we wish we had. In the end we either:

1. Happy Ending

2. Failboat

[Ithekro]

We are really starting to overthink this situation aren't we?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Haven't had the chance to watch the episode yet (summer class) but I'm taking that the animation in this iteration wasn't so shitty as in some of the previous episodes.

Art and animation both, yes. They didn't abuse lighting effects and desaturation this time, thought they did use camera techniques present in S1.

It's a fair tradeoff if you ask me.

Would you accept that although they did not technically lie, they were purposefully attempting to lead fans of the novels to a false conclusion? I think we agree on the spirit of what they did, and are just quibbling over technicalities.

I don't know WHAT they're doing.

I'm just saying expecting anything at this point is a bad idea.

We are really starting to overthink this situation aren't we?

Exactly. It's pointless to guess the reasoning behind this. We don't know.

[Roger Rambo]

Art and animation both, yes. They didn't abuse lighting effects and desaturation this time, thought they did use camera techniques present in S1.

It's a fair tradeoff if you ask me.
Probably wouldn't be nearly as much butt hurt over these new episodes if Kyoani could stick to this style/level of quality.

[Malkuth]

What is the matter with the people down voting this to 1?

Is the voting poll system so easily abused? :(

No, we find it painful :eyebrow:

And without an FF, since I was watching it live it became more so :upset:

[Roger Rambo]

If Kyoani has even a modicum of sanity, they'll be adding ALLOT more episodes in this season than what they had in Season 1. Because filling up half your total episodes with stuff like this is going to murder DVD sales no matter how you try to pull it.

A:Chunk all endless 8 episodes onto the same DVD's
=people buy the half of the seaon DVD's w/o endless 8

B:Splice Endless 8 episodes throughout the other DVD's
=A bunch of people don't purchase anything and just pirate the episodes they want online.

What is the matter with the people down voting this to 1?

Is the voting poll system so easily abused? :(
Because allot of people are annoyed that Endless 8 hasn't ended yet.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Probably wouldn't be nearly as much butt hurt over these new episodes if Kyoani could stick to this style/level of quality.

I only really disliked E8III, as it had nothing going for it at all.

E8II had the general atmosphere of WTF, E8IV had the plane and the theater scene, and this has the epic clock screw thing.

I'd like to see someone take all the cool scenes from each episode and put them together into one, epically cool episode.

That'd be awesome.

Because allot of people are annoyed that Endless 8 hasn't ended yet.

Most of these people are ones who haven't even watched the episode.

[kalbron]

Erm. Isn't purposefully misleading people for material gain the same as lying? Or rather fraud, which is simply a more serious form of lying.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I vote on an episode by episode merit, so I don't really take previous episodes into account when rating, I save that for the overall series impression poll.

This episode was pretty well done, probably on par with episode 3. The perspective shots and animation improved greatly over 4-5.


----

As for the entire thing with Disappearance, we honestly don't know if they will show it or not, so we can't say if Kyoani was "deceiving us" or not until we know for sure that this will end with Disappearance being aired or not.

[Roger Rambo]

E8II had the general atmosphere of WTF
Part II also had the awesome fashion and fan service. That was win.

I guess I've just kind of become apathetic to the new episodes coming out.

[Malkuth]

I only really disliked E8III, as it had nothing going for it at all.

Yup, that was the worse in so many aspects ...

Most of these people are ones who haven't even watched the episode.

Dude, assume the same for the 10s.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Erm. Isn't purposefully misleading people for material gain the same as lying? Or rather fraud, which is simply a more serious form of lying.

Who said they were misleading us at all? We made the assumption that "art from Disappearance means they're animating Disappearance".

It's still fucking with us, but it's technically our fault for expecting something.

In any case, since spring, KyoAni has pretty much turned into a joke, and Haruhi with it. That's the real consequence here, and the real reason why I'm pissed.


Dude, assume the same for the 10s.

Exactly. The votes in between those are the ones that really matter.

[relentlessflame]

Would you accept that although they did not technically lie, they were purposefully attempting to lead fans of the novels to a false conclusion?This is sort of stating the obvious, really. This whole re-airing has been about confounding/misleading/puzzling the audience (especially those who have read the novels) by: not calling this a second season, not having next episode previews, not disclosing if new episodes will even exist or how many there would be, not sending DVD solicitations until it obviously won't spoil anything, doing all these repeats of Endless Eight, etc. etc. etc. Basically, it took all the theories that novel-readers kept throwing out there (and built up into these massive expectations), and turned them on their head.

It's pretty obvious that they will animate the future novels at some point, but the name of the game is to keep people guessing. Using that image was just part of the mystery they were trying to perpetuate. If they told us the truth, we wouldn't be surprised, and this is all about surprises.

[kalbron]

If I put up a sign which has someone holding oodles of money with the words "WIN! WIN! WIN!" behind them. However it also says on the sign you must do something say... watch program X. Then it turns out that, no, you can't win that, but I never said anything other than putting the sign up and you drew your own conclusions. However because you watched program X I am now better off.

Would you felt you had been lied to or not? After all, I never said you would win anything in particular and neither did the sign.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Would you felt you had been lied to or not? After all, I never said you would win anything in particular and neither did the sign.

This is known in many circles as "lawyerspeak".

The trick is to never assume or expect anything except what is actually and literally said.

[Ithekro]

The only time I've seen an episode that the 10s mattered was CLANNAD AS ep. 18. Basically because pretty much everyone voted it a 10, some 9s, 8s, and 7s, and then nothing until a few 1s....that says a lot when there is nothing in the middle and a huge weight at the top. While these Haruhi episodes are getting a huge number at the bottom, they have votes scattered across the spectrum, meaning that it can be bad or good depending on point of view. That one episode of CLANNAD...only the very few will dislike it.

[CrowKenobi]

I'm disappointed! Only 200+ posts since last night... :p

At least the crankiness has mellowed out some... :D

[spawnofthejudge]

Erm. Isn't purposefully misleading people for material gain the same as lying? Or rather fraud, which is simply a more serious form of lying.Have they made any money on this yet?... No. They've lost money so far (as it costs money to air anime, IIRC). Until they start selling DVDs, at which point we'll know more about what we're getting, they haven't made a cent off of these shenanigans.

So... no. We get to see it before we can spend our money on it. And maybe fans will send the message of not buying some of the DVDs. I doubt it, but it remains to be seen.

[Toonleap]

Sorry for the late post. I had to go to a funeral at 11:00am, same time as Haruhi TV at 25:00am
Here are my two cents.

http://www.cartoonleap.com/2009/07/16/haruhi-second-season-ep-16-four-episodes-and-a-funeral-later/

Haruhi in theory should end next week.

[mokuseimaru]

"Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya"?

That's a subjective assumption based on preexisting knowledge, however. Nowhere in that article did they actually bring up that picture and discuss it.

I know they're fucking with us, I just object to people saying that they're lying. Not the same thing.


From a semiotic standpoint, I believe that the intended meaning was in fact "We are animating The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya". If that was not the case, then they at least misrepresented their intentions.

If one looks at the context, I don't think you can dispute that was the intended meaning of this image. They used an image of Haruhi in an outfit which she only appears in in that novel just as the new season was beginning; and given what had and had not been animated yet, it was perfectly reasonable for us to infer that this image meant "Disappearance" was being animated in the near future. Even if the image did not explicitly denote the message "We are animating the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya", in context it did strongly connote "We are animating the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya" So if we don't see "Disappearance" before another hiatus, they were at the very least being deceitful.

Have they made any money on this yet?... No. They've lost money so far (as it costs money to air anime, IIRC). Until they start selling DVDs, at which point we'll know more about what we're getting, they haven't made a cent off of these shenanigans.

So... no. We get to see it before we can spend our money on it. And maybe fans will send the message of not buying some of the DVDs. I doubt it, but it remains to be seen.

They have. As I've mentioned before, Kadokawa has made over 10 million dollars off of ads on various Haruhi videos on YouTube.

[siber222000]

well u know what, now i watch this without expectation lol. i'll just leave it up to the next week if there is anything new anymore lol.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Assuming of course, that they don't animate Disappearance, but we can't confirm that they won't anymore then we can confirm next week will be the end of Endless Eight.

[baltakatei]

*Ahem*

Even though I have seen this episode's plot again and again, I have quite a few things that stick out to me.

First of all, after just 10 minutes of watching, I realize the animation is top notch. I especially love seeing all background characters animated as if they might join the plot if the plot required it.

In addition, I get the feeling that this latest episode used the same action storyboards as others did. Koizumi's ridiculous "esper" twirl to catch his cicadas with a backhanded grip on his net was the same in a previous iteration... with the exception that he looked like an idiot in the park. :D

While the animation is exceptionally well-made, the music can be unfittingly upbeat and gaudy.

And what's with Kyon's voice as he answers Mikuru's late-night call? Is his VA getting tired of repeating the same lines every day he goes into work this week? Kyon and Koizumi warding off nampa-ing youths was a nice touch. Not to mention Koizumi's excessive hand-gestures. I'm waiting for him to slide his finger down his nose like he did at the start of the season.

Anyway, the added minutes of the repeating Kyon's angst to ask Haruhi something to break the cycle plus the 30 seconds of watching the clock tick threw my timing off. I thought for sure this episode would have a few extra minutes to include a conclusion.

As a side-note, I personally believe the repetitions of Kyon's failed attempts to end the cycle by calling out Haruhi were indeed other iterations. They might as well have been. The only thing that indicates otherwise is the lack of variation of clothes and other minute differences that should have crept up between each cycle (if we take the different directors' attempts at animating each cycle that we have watched in the previous 4 episodes). If the previous Endless Eight animation attempts are ignored, then the Kyon's repeated failed attempts are an excellent touch, in my opinion.

Overall, besides some overly-chipper BG music where it shouldn't be (ex: Asahina's sad explanation of being unable to return to the future), the rest of this episode earns my full approval. The animation quality is what marks this episode above the others. I certainly would like to know exactly how many more hours the animation team had to work on this episode than on the others. Anyone else have any idea?

[spawnofthejudge]

They have. As I've mentioned before, Kadokawa has made over 10 million dollars off of ads for Haruhi videos on YouTube.What? (Also: Where and Source?) All the ad money on YT goes to Google. You know. Those nice people who own the site.

[relentlessflame]

Assuming of course, that they don't animate Disappearance, but we can't confirm that they won't anymore then we can confirm next week will be the end of Endless Eight.Exactly. All of this "I've been mislead" talk is because people are worrying too much about the episode count and "oh no, they're running out of time!", probably because they've had to wait so long since the first season. I'm not saying that isn't understandable, but at least recognize that one of the take-aways of this Endless Eight exercise is that people need to relinquish their sense of control and just let the show do what it wants, because you can't change it anyway. If this new airing ends and there's no Second Season/Disappearance in sight, then maybe you were mislead. But if this new broadcast is a prelude to a second season to come a bit later, then you just need to wait a bit longer (and you can express your disapproval of this set of episodes by not buying them). At this point, the only thing you've been "defrauded" of is, arguably, a few hours of your life. They don't "owe you" for that.

What? (Also: Where and Source?) All the ad money on YT goes to Google. You know. Those nice people who own the site.The figure itself is clearly exaggerated (there's no way they made even 1 million, let alone 10), but Google/YouTube does do this sort of profit sharing with copyright owners, including with Kadokawa. (source (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2008/05/27/japan%2526%2523039;s-kadokawa-inks-cartoon-ad-share-deal-youtube))

Edit: Found the source (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube) for the other and it's 10 million Yen, which is a little over $100,000 a month. That's more like it. And it's on all of their properties, not just Haruhi.

[Sute443]

Who said they were misleading us at all?

The Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mislead).
transitive verb
: to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit
intransitive verb
: to lead astray : give a wrong impression

Unless you meant in the "who says they won't animate Disappearance" sense, in which case the future may at some point wish to speak to this post.

In any case, since spring, KyoAni has pretty much turned into a joke, and Haruhi with it. That's the real consequence here, and the real reason why I'm pissed

Same here.

It's pretty obvious that they will animate the future novels at some point, but the name of the game is to keep people guessing. Using that image was just part of the mystery they were trying to perpetuate. If they told us the truth, we wouldn't be surprised, and this is all about surprises.

Yeah, at this point it has become clear that they care about surprises. Pleasing fans or sponsors? Not so much. It doesn't make much sense to take something that would already sell really well and then stomp on it for the sake of surprise when the goal is making money.

And while it is a near certainty that they plan to animate more volumes in the future, there is no telling how long that will take.

The trick is to never assume or expect anything except what is actually and literally said.

That is an intelligent thing to do, and that is truly unfortunate.

Of course, they could still take one of the many suggestions on how to alleviate the anger of the base. I just don't expect them to.

In hindsight, I'm actually a little surprised that we were all so surprised. Considering how Kadokawa dicked around with the fanbase these past few years, why didn't we think they'd screw with us now? Oh, wait, we did. We just didn't think they'd do it like this.

[mokuseimaru]

It's pretty obvious that they will animate the future novels at some point, but the name of the game is to keep people guessing. Using that image was just part of the mystery they were trying to perpetuate. If they told us the truth, we wouldn't be surprised, and this is all about surprises.

I've got to say, I haven't been surprised by this since I said, "Huh, they're doing three episodes instead of two. I guess that could work". It's not a mystery or a novelty anymore, it's just an annoyance meant to keep the level of hype high by making people angry. Like I said before, if I thought they really were doing this just to be clever and unpredictable, even if I thought it failed as art I could respect their efforts. But this isn't even failed art: it's cynical capitalism in the guise of art.

As for your other point, if Haruhi was a show like Bleach or Naruto (I mean in terms of the length of the series) I would be much more open even to something as ridiculous as this, if only because I knew that eventually the canon material would be aired. But Haruhi had only had 14 episodes before this season and then went on a three year hiatus. While I admit that "Disappearance" will probably be animated eventually, I'm not as optimistic about it being animated in the near future.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Edit: Found the source (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube) for the other and it's 10 million Yen, which is a little over $100,000 a month. That's more like it. And it's on all of their properties, not just Haruhi.

So yeah, the Kadokawa youtube channel makes 100,000 bucks a month. Not bad at all, but I don't exactly think it'll make up for failed DVD sales... :heh:


Of course, they could still take one of the many suggestions on how to alleviate the anger of the base. I just don't expect them to.

At this point, why not screw with the fan expectations that they won't alleviate our anger by alleviating our anger?

But maybe they saw that line of thinking coming, and so will screw with our expectations that they're going to alleviate our anger by alleviating our anger by not alleviating our anger.

Or maybe they saw that coming too, and are going to further screw with the expectation that they're going to alleviate our anger by alleviating our anger by not alleviating our anger by alleviating our anger.

Or maybe *dies of iocane poisoning*

[Ithekro]

Or maybe they'll do something unexpected that we do want, but couldn't hope to ask for.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Or maybe they'll do something unexpected that we do want, but couldn't hope to ask for.

Or maybe because you said that they'll do something we were expecting that we'd all hate.

Or maybe they'll no I'm not doing this again it's only funny once.

[mokuseimaru]

What? (Also: Where and Source?) All the ad money on YT goes to Google. You know. Those nice people who own the site.

Ah, I made a little error. It's actually 10 million yen, but that's what they make per month. Which is 100,000 dollars or so each month is still quite a lot. Here is the link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube

EDIT: I see someone beat me to it. Very sorry---I wasn't trying to be deceitful there, just a something I misremembered. But in any case, it does mean that they profit by people's viewership, even ours.

[spawnofthejudge]

The figure itself is clearly exaggerated (there's no way they made even 1 million, let alone 10), but Google/YouTube does do this sort of profit sharing with copyright owners, including with Kadokawa. (source (http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2008/05/27/japan%2526%2523039;s-kadokawa-inks-cartoon-ad-share-deal-youtube))

Edit: Found the source (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube) for the other and it's 10 million Yen, which is a little over $100,000 a month. That's more like it. And it's on all of their properties, not just Haruhi.Okay, that makes sense (thank you for sources). Even then, the fans aren't being defrauded; the money's coming from sponsors, who don't care what they're advertising on, as long as it's seen.

*dies of iocane poisoning*:heh: You forgot to build an immunity didn't you?

Ah, I made a little error. It's actually 10 million yen, but that's what they make per month. Which is 100,000 dollars or so each month is still quite a lot. Here is the link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube .Still, not fraud. No fan has paid money for these shenanigans. Only sponsors have, and they weren't ever lied to.

[relentlessflame]

Yeah, at this point it has become clear that they care about surprises. Pleasing fans or sponsors? Not so much. It doesn't make much sense to take something that would already sell really well and then stomp on it for the sake of surprise when the goal is making money.Sure it does. Take a more long term view. They can sell some now, and sell more later. I mean, when these future novels that everyone's awaiting do come along in animated form, are they all of a sudden going to suck miserably because they're a bit later than expected? Let's say that half or less of the fans buy the DVDs for Endless Eight; will they all be permanently gone when they do animate the future anticipated volumes? I mean, let's pretend these Endless Eight episodes never existed, and instead they decided to somehow book a 22-episode season or something but still not animate Disappearance. What's the practical difference?

The whole anger is really mostly about this:
As for your other point, if Haruhi was a show like Bleach or Naruto (I mean in terms of the length of the series) I would be much more open even to something as ridiculous as this, if only because I knew that eventually the canon material would be aired. But Haruhi had only had 14 episodes before this season and then went on a three year hiatus. While I admit that "Disappearance" will probably be animated eventually, I'm not as optimistic about it being animated in the near future....the unknown of how long we'll have to wait for "the stuff we've all been waiting for". I guess I'm just not cynical enough to believe that it'll be another 3 years until the next season.

I've got to say, I haven't been surprised by this since I said, "Huh, they're doing three episodes instead of two. I guess that could work". It's not a mystery or a novelty anymore, it's just an annoyance meant to keep the level of hype high by making people angry. Like I said before, if I thought they really were doing this just to be clever and unpredictable, even if I thought it failed as art I could respect their efforts. But this isn't even failed art: it's cynical capitalism in the guise of art.I was referring to the surprises of this season on a whole, not necessarily of these ensuing episodes. Once it became clear that they turned this into a full story arc, the only unknown is what will finally end it (and when). That being said, and for what it's worth, one could make a very compelling argument that anime itself is little more than "cynical capitalism in the guise of art"; the only difference is one's own personal enjoyment of the end-result. Personally speaking, I think the merit/demerit of these episodes is just being outweighed by people's anger regarding the aforementioned concern. In time, I think the anger will soften and at least some people will give these episodes another look.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Ah, I made a little error.

Pretty big error, I'd say.

It's actually 10 million yen, but that's what they make per month. Which is 100,000 dollars or so each month is still quite a lot. Here is the link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-03/kadokawa-gets-over-10-million-yen-monthly-from-youtube .

I bet that they spend far more than that per month alone... big business deal in big numbers.


:heh: You forgot to build an immunity didn't you?

No, curses.


...the unknown of how long we'll have to wait for "the stuff we've all been waiting for". I guess I'm just not cynical enough to believe that it'll be another 3 years until the next season.

But the thing is that we don't KNOW.

And given their current track record, we might well be waiting another three years. :heh:

And watch as they still don't give us Disappearance even then.

[relentlessflame]

But the thing is that we don't KNOW.Yes, and they've made it pretty clear by now that they have absolutely no intention of telling us. So, by worrying, we're not adding any days to our lives, and we're not changing the situation. Worst case scenario, people can just pretend the 2009 airing doesn't exist and resume waiting for Season 2 (since this clearly is not Season 2, and was never billed as such).

[spawnofthejudge]

Sure it does. Take a more long term view. They can sell some now, and sell more later. I mean, when these future novels that everyone's awaiting do come along in animated form, are they all of a sudden going to suck miserably because they're a bit later than expected? Let's say that half or less of the fans buy the DVDs for Endless Eight; will they all be permanently gone when they do animate the future anticipated volumes? I mean, let's pretend these Endless Eight episodes never existed, and instead they decided to somehow book a 22-episode season or something but still not animate Disappearance. What's the practical difference?

The whole anger is really mostly about this:
...the unknown of how long we'll have to wait for "the stuff we've all been waiting for". I guess I'm just not cynical enough to believe that it'll be another 3 years until the next season.

I was referring to the surprises of this season on a whole, not necessarily of these ensuing episodes. Once it became clear that they turned this into a full story arc, the only unknown is what will finally end it (and when). That being said, and for what it's worth, one could make a very compelling argument that anime itself is little more than "cynical capitalism in the guise of art"; the only difference is one's own personal enjoyment of the end-result. Personally speaking, I think the merit/demerit of these episodes is just being outweighed by people's anger regarding the aforementioned concern. In time, I think the anger will soften and at least some people will give these episodes another look.The only practical difference is the cost of animating any episodes that appear on DVDs that end up not selling as well... though I'm reasonably sure that they'll sell at least enough to turn a profit.

Of course, KyoAni's been doing more and more faster and faster lately. I think they'll be able to pull off getting us more Haruhi sometime next year, even assuming they give us a Key property and maybe even something else between. My big question is where this speed will stop and wait for the books to get further ahead again. I don't want them to end a series with the end of book nine, and I fervently hope that that's why they can afford to do this with Endless Eight.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Yes, and they've made it pretty clear by now that they have absolutely no intention of telling us. So, by worrying, we're not adding any days to our lives, and we're not changing the situation. Worst case scenario, people can just pretend the 2009 airing doesn't exist and resume waiting for Season 2 (since this clearly is not Season 2, and was never billed as such).

You expect people to be rational? :heh:

But you're perfectly right, and I've learned to enjoy the episodes as they come.

All I'm really worried about now is that this might take away from KyoAni's next project, whatever it is... so long as it's not more K-On...

[mokuseimaru]

Pretty big error, I'd say.



Yes, you're right. I humbly submit myself to your judgment. I'm already at the long-ogiji (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZcEwHBAk8) level of apology

[Ithekro]

More Lucky Star then?

Actually K-On is quite popular. Probably more so than Endless Eight...but that's not hard to do.

[dbaranyi]

The CD Japan listing for the first DVD release of Haruhi Season 2 is
interesting:


http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=KABA-6001


It appears that there is only one episode on the actual DVD, and that there
is an "original episode" on the Bonus DVD in the Limited edition. The main DVD is 43 minutes long, but it also contains a bunch of video stuff. I'm assuming that the episode on this DVD is the "Bamboo Rhapsody" episode.

The "regular" R2 DVD release doesn't contain the bonus DVD.

Anyone know what the "original episode" is supposed to be?

I assume that one of the reasons that there is only one episode on this DVD is becauset the "Endless Eight" episodes will likely be released separately.

OF course, it would be hilarious if they released Endless Eight at one episode per DVD too.

It will be interesting to watch how good the sales of the new DVDs are.

[relentlessflame]

You expect people to be rational? :heh:That's really all I've ever wanted! :heh: (A lot to hope for around here, I know... :p )

Of course, KyoAni's been doing more and more faster and faster lately. I think they'll be able to pull off getting us more Haruhi sometime next year, even assuming they give us a Key property and maybe even something else between. My big question is where this speed will stop and wait for the books to get further ahead again. I don't want them to end a series with the end of book nine, and I fervently hope that that's why they can afford to do this with Endless Eight.Yeah, I agree; I think the issue with Volume 10 might be one of the reasons they're trying to drag this out and not get too far ahead too quickly. Of course, it's easy to be cynical and assume that they're just trying to milk the franchise for all its worth (which is doubtless also true to some degree; this is Kadokawa's top-selling anime franchise), but they may feel they need to do this in order to not let the franchise die while the author waits to continue the story. I still seems to me that some strange things happened in the last three years that resulted in this whole situation in the first place, between the novels being delayed, the big fall-out with Yamakan, and so on. It's easy to see everything as one giant troll, but who knows to what degree the companies are just making lemonade with lemons. Things we'll never know...


Anyone know what the "original episode" is supposed to be?I'm sure we addressed this in another thread last week. It's not an "original episode" like what we're watching air on TV. It's an episode of one of the bonus features. They just translated it in a way that causes people to jump to conclusions. The original Japanese solicitation doesn't state it in that way.

Edit: Added basic translation:
特典DVD (「SOS団名曲アルバム」第1回、「谷口が行く。不思議発見の旅」第1話、「SOS団思い出アルバム」第 1号収録)付き
Bonus DVD: SOS-Dan Song Album Vol. 1, "Tanaguchi ga Iku. Fushigi Hakken no Tabi" Episode 1, "SOS-Dan Memories Album" Issue 1

That Tanaguchi special is like "Tanaguchi will go. A Strange Journey Of Discovery.", which probably means more Minoru Shiraishi antics. Someone was mentioning Lucky Star? :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

More Lucky Star then?

Actually K-On is quite popular. Probably more so than Endless Eight...but that's not hard to do.

Popularity is no indication of quality. It's the most terrible and soulless thing KyoAni has ever done.

It is Fuwa Fuwa Time, the destroyer of worlds.

If we're not actually getting more Haruhi this fall, why not Little Busters or *gasp* something entirely new?

It's easy to see everything as one giant troll, but who knows to what degree the companies are just making lemonade with lemons. Things we'll never know...

It'd be nice if they just released SOMETHING to tell us what's going on.

Maaaa, I never thought I'd miss next episode previews this much.