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Well... http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/200403a.htm (http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp) has screenshots of ep21.
Seems like I'm wrong. Shou Tucker does appear in this episode but he is certainly not 100% alive and well.
Well... http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp has screenshots of ep21 now.
Seems like I'm wrong. Shou Tucker does appear in this episode but he is certainly not 100% alive and well.
I heard that this episode is all 'twisted and messed'. :heh: Oh well, looks good, looks good..
Can't wait for Ep22 though. =D [Wrath~...]
YuuOminae
2004-02-28, 18:09
I heard that this episode is all 'twisted and messed'. :heh: Oh well, looks good, looks good..
Can't wait for Ep22 though. =D [Wrath~...]
You mean Greed.
I'm kind of...mixed about these weird changes.
But I've got to admit that the Tucker part was great.
You mean Greed.
Actually, I DO mean Wrath. ;)
But Greed's good too. :D
I just saw a screenshot of him this morning in the preview of Episode 22. ^^;; ... I hope he does something.. even though it's highly unlikely. :heh:
This was the screenshot I saw.. - http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v78/omchan/fma_pre22_01.jpg
... nope, doesn't look like he's going to do much in Episode 22. :p
*goes off to watch*
aznstyle
2004-02-28, 22:06
oh wow.... episode 21.... can you say evangelion? I think they r trying to match eva in the f***ed up department....All they needed to do was clone nina a few times and the send her body parts drifting around...
Actually, I DO mean Wrath. ;)
But Greed's good too. :D
I just saw a screenshot of him this morning in the preview of Episode 22. ^^;; ... I hope he does something.. even though it's highly unlikely. :heh:
This was the screenshot I saw.. - http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v78/omchan/fma_pre22_01.jpg
... nope, doesn't look like he's going to do much in Episode 22. :p
*goes off to watch*
Hum, they're going to reveal that President King Bradley is Wrath this early in the game? But consider how big of an divergence episode 21+ are compared to the manga, they probably have no choice (seing that the manga is not finished yet).
Fighter Volk
2004-02-28, 22:45
In the screenshots -- is the guy in the top left Greed?
Sakura-chan
2004-02-28, 23:28
:eek: This anime's scaring me more and more with every episode.
I was more than 110% sure that Tucker was dead.... Wasn't he? And Nina? I'm really confused right now.... :help:
AOforever1
2004-02-29, 00:03
Yea well, this is anime in a world of alchemy, anything might happen :P
In the screenshots -- is the guy in the top left Greed?
Actually that's
Kimberly, the Mad Bomber.
Actually that's
Kimberly, the Mad Bomber.
For some reason I am reminded of "the tick" and "the mad midnight bomber who bombs at midnight"
Yea baby yea yea.
You may now return to your regulary schdualed FMA discussion.
Tucker was taken away, yet I have seen no evedance of him beeing dead. Barry was suposed to be dead to. yet here he is talking to al. . . although I expect Tucker to be a bit more lively than Barry is currently if he is re introduced. . . although as Al proves, even as an animated suite, you can still work alchemy.
:eek: This anime's scaring me more and more with every episode.
I was more than 110% sure that Tucker was dead.... Wasn't he? And Nina? I'm really confused right now.... :help:
In Manga World, Nina and Tucker got killed by scar, :) whereas in Anime World, only Nina got killed, Tucker was only being retained by the military
i thought tucker was taken in front of a firing squad? or was that just what Gran said to Ed?
Fighter Volk
2004-02-29, 13:22
Somehow I doubt that Gran would ever tell Ed the truth about anything. Gran liked what Tucker was doing, so I doubt he would have killed him.
But wasn't Gran killed (violently, for that matter)? In that case, the top right shot would be a flashback, ne? And Tucker appears to be a chimera and not a normal human... and the talk is that the little girl on the bottom is Nina?
Hmm...
Rockpaperscissors
2004-02-29, 17:39
Once again anyone who hasn't watched the raw of episode 21 should not read any further...
Well this was definetely an interessting episode considering the fact I don't know Japanese and had no clue what they were talking about. And I am glad that I was right about Nina's father. But the preview of episode 22 was even more scary then all of episode 21 combined....
with everyone gathered at the door who will survive the possible sacrifice, since the anime diverges from the manga???
But wasn't Gran killed (violently, for that matter)? In that case, the top right shot would be a flashback, ne?
Hmm...
You seem to forget that Envy can shapeshift... :)
Fighter Volk
2004-02-29, 19:32
You seem to forget that Envy can shapeshift... :)
Indeed, I completely forgot! ^^
That's great. Envy is getting more and more awesome with each episode.
Somehow I doubt that Gran would ever tell Ed the truth about anything. Gran liked what Tucker was doing, so I doubt he would have killed him.
But wasn't Gran killed (violently, for that matter)? In that case, the top right shot would be a flashback, ne? And Tucker appears to be a chimera and not a normal human... and the talk is that the little girl on the bottom is Nina?
Hmm...
It's a flashback of how Gran is leading various experiments, most of them gruesome.
Indeed, I completely forgot! ^^
That's great. Envy is getting more and more awesome with each episode.
I doubt if Envy can do much against Greed (you'll understand once you see what Greed's power is). And of course, there is Wrath, whom I believe you'll see in action next episode.
Fighter Volk
2004-02-29, 20:51
Here's a question, for those of you who have read ahead in the manga -- are all the Seven Deadly Sins in league, or do only Lust, Gluttony, and Envy work together? Please answer in as little detail as possible -- just answer something along the lines of 'they all work together' or 'some of them do', etc.
Thanks very, very much!
Here's a question, for those of you who have read ahead in the manga -- are all the Seven Deadly Sins in league, or do only Lust, Gluttony, and Envy work together? Please answer in as little detail as possible -- just answer something along the lines of 'they all work together' or 'some of them do', etc.
Thanks very, very much!
Some people just get too greedy...
:p
I doubt if Envy can do much against Greed (you'll understand once you see what Greed's power is). And of course, there is Wrath, whom I believe you'll see in action next episode.
Don't forget that in Chp 31, Greed calls Envy a failed/low class product. Whether its because of spite or what Greed feels of Envy's capability, it does seem to indicate that Envy's combat abilities are way below the other homunculi.
YuuOminae
2004-02-29, 22:04
Busaiku generally means ugly. I took Greed's comment to refer to the fact that Envy's true form was hideous.
Here's a question, for those of you who have read ahead in the manga -- are all the Seven Deadly Sins in league, or do only Lust, Gluttony, and Envy work together? Please answer in as little detail as possible -- just answer something along the lines of 'they all work together' or 'some of them do', etc.
Thanks very, very much!
Technically, ALL of the 6 existing Sins serves Father, their creator. Greed has better idea a hundred years ago, and decided to strike out on his own. Lust, Gluttony and Envy are the ones wandering around the country sowing chaos and furthering Father's goal. Thus far, we got EXACTLY 1 frame of Sloth, and he's a chained hulking man working (kind of opposite of his name). In that vain, Wrath for the most part is extremely even tempered (in his nominal guise). But yes, they're all in league with each other, except Greed. Pride doesn't exist yet.
YuuOminae
2004-02-29, 22:28
Aah, the spoiler's tag's been taken away!! Anyway, I fixed it.
Anyway, I've been thinking lately that the Father might actually be Pride. I kind of recall there being a saying that Pride is the father of all Sins so it would make sense I suppose.
Edit: Geh.
Busaiku generally means ugly. I took Greed's comment to refer to the fact that Envy's true form was hideous.
Not the first frame of page 19, the fourth frame.
Thus far, we got EXACTLY 1 frame of Sloth, and he's a chained hulking man working (kind of opposite of his name). In that vain, Wrath for the most part is extremely even tempered (in his nominal guise). But yes, they're all in league with each other, except Greed. Pride doesn't exist yet.
It is likely Sloth is chained to keep him at work (else he might have wandered off elsewhere to sleep :P ).
Wrath need not be the aspect of emotional fury. As I see it, he is taking on the aspect of Punishment or Vengeance in the form of anger. He can also be the Divine Retribution for Sins (interesting!!!).
Source of definiton of wrath from The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.
YuuOminae
2004-03-01, 12:44
Not the first frame of page 19, the fourth frame.
Which would be page 83 in the Gangans. I don't download the raws.
Anyhow.
Yeah, I figured you were talking about getemono not busaiku a little bit after I posted that. When I read that chapter a month ago, I initially thought he said kedamono.
The implication still, whether it's getemono or busaiku, is that Envy's true form is either extremely ugly or extremely simple (something like the mess that the brothers transmuted), rather than his fighting abilities.
Anyway there was some speculation on one of the older 2ch threads for the manga that Envy's true form is enormous because he said he'll crush Greed, as opposed to beat the crap out of him. Either way, he's either a giant or he's extremely confident that he can totally waste Greed once he's in his true form.
Yeah, I figured you were talking about getemono not busaiku a little bit after I posted that.
The implication still, whether it's getemono or busaiku, is that Envy's true form is either extremely ugly or extremely simple (something like the mess that the brothers transmuted), rather than his fighting abilities.
Anyway there was some speculation on one of the older 2ch threads for the manga that Envy's true form is enormous because he said he'll crush Greed, as opposed to beat the crap out of him. Either way, he's either a giant or he's extremely confident that he can totally waste Greed once he's in his true form. Actually I think what Envy said in retort to Greed's insult is the typical "I will crush you" line. That is not to be taken literally since many people has talked of eliminating opponents ala "I will crush you like a cockroach.".
Calling him a low-quality homunculi would reflect on how Greed feels about Envy's qualification. It could be just out of personal conflicts (unjustified insults) or the truth (Envy could be the first homuculi, as such the prototype). Even Lust has taunted that he has the worst personality among the Sins (Vol 2 pg 70), which Envy was sensitive to. This could reflect the low respect Envy has among the Sins. I don't think it was just a friendly ribbing without truth.
Analyzing the sins themselves, Envy naturally could not be as strong as the other Sins. Reasoning being that being envious means having that uncomfortable feeling when desiring what others have, so it is likely Envy has a lesser power levels than what the others possess. The more I think about it, the more natural it seems to me that Envy & Greed could never get along. When you think about it, it seems natural that Envy would be envious of Greed's ever increasing possessions.
What is this 2ch or do you mean Chapter 2?
SilverHeimdall
2004-03-01, 22:33
D: Damn this serie just keeps getting better and better.
But they should've left Basque dead, I hate him :D
YuuOminae
2004-03-01, 22:57
By 2ch, I mean www.2ch.net, pretty much one of the big Japanese bulletin boards, if not the biggest.
There's an archive of all the old threads ever since FMA was first serialized back in 2001 at http://fa-log.hp.infoseek.co.jp/
edit: whoopsie
Anyway.
Lust is probably the oldest of all of them given what Envy said back to her at Lior after she insulted him, so that would rule out Envy being the prototype.
It's still pretty likely that Greed wasn't insulting Envy with regards to his power, but just the way how he naturally is. Like let's say a normal homunculus would be a diamond and whatever Envy is would be cubic zirconium, a cheap imitation. Envy reacted to the busaiku of all things so I'm still betting he's more sensitive about his true form rather than being a weakling.
sorcererx
2004-03-01, 23:40
wrong forum
Oh, AKeep-ANBU version of episode 21 is out. It would seemed that Envy is impersonating Basque Gran, and tricking the remainding guards and Kimberly the Mad Bomber into making more Philosopher's Stone out of the remainding living prisoners.
This episode starts the great divergence from the manga. I feel that they'll retain some storyline from the manga, but the changes are truely great enough to seperate the two.
It explained how Scar's brother delved into the forbidden art of Alchemy and eventually passed on the task of killing all National Alchemist to him.
Greed is freed after 130 years of imprisonment (in the manga, he is merely elsewhere building his own little kingdom, though that can still happen once he escape).
In the Anime timeline, Shun Tucker didn't get killed by Scar. Although he's publically listed as being executed by the military for the illegal human alchemy research, he remains around. His current condition of being a Chimera is a result of his somewhat obsessive search of recreating Nina.
Scar and Al were attacked by Lust and Gluttony, and getting their ass kicked...
Ed was lead by the Head of Prisoner #44 (in the manga, Lust killed off #44) into a room used to create Philosopher's Stone (imperfect as it were). Shun Tucker stated that with their current research, they cannot perfect the stone liquid via normal alchemy. Ed conceed that he is not a normal Alchemist.
By 2ch, I mean www.2ch.net (http://www.2ch.net), pretty much one of the big Japanese bulletin boards, if not the biggest.
There's an archive of all the old threads ever since FMA was first serialized back in 2001 at http://ime.nu/fa-log.hp.infoseek.co.jp/
Anyway.
Lust is probably the oldest of all of them given what Envy said back to her at Lior after she insulted him, so that would rule out Envy being the prototype.
It's still pretty likely that Greed wasn't insulting Envy with regards to his power, but just the way how he naturally is. Like let's say a normal homunculus would be a diamond and whatever Envy is would be cubic zirconium, a cheap imitation. Envy reacted to the busaiku of all things so I'm still betting he's more sensitive about his true form rather than being a weakling.
Thanks for the site! When I finally learn my Japanese (probably a few years :p) I can participate in that. But it will be a good bookmark for now.
Nah, the retort Envy gave back is more like the typical insult given back at a woman (you know... typical insults being hag -> old woman, bitch, sl*t). But it could have that connotation you stated. Until it is revealed, we would only know that Wrath is the youngest so far.
I know Envy is sensitive to his looks. I was commenting more on Greed's perception of Envy. If Greed was to call Envy such demeaning calls but doesn't do that to the other Sins, it is quite likely that Greed sees Envy as not up to their standards like I was trying to say. Either that or they really really hate each other...
Anyways, I just watched Ep21 downloaded a few hours ago (Chinese fansub). I must say that this has diverged quite a bit from the manga and is enjoyable still!
Greed has escaped. From what I see, he is not going to play a part further in this scenario. Most likely they just used this to establish how Greed & the chimerae gang come about. We should see them later on in the series with their manga story arc.
A good deal of moral issues in the Slicer-Edward scenes. Though they did not give it a conclusion or leaning to either side, it is interesting to note the questionings that were posed.
Did anyone order this melee of the year? In the blue corner, Scar & Alphonse Elric. In the red corner, Lust & Gluttony!!!
A good flashback into Scar's history!!! Some more information that makes you wonder if there are further twists in the story. Young Scar looks so wimpy :p
Shou Tucker. My, seems like he develops some kind of conscience, or is it? Anyway seems like a lot of alchemists in the anime are practicing Ressurection :heh: I'm just curious how he became a chimera. Could he possibly transmute himself or did someone else do it?
Next episode seems to be a doozy. It seems to imply that Alphonse & Scar lost since Lust & Gluttony were in the chamber with Edward (Did Al & Scar manage to escape?). Also I am curious on if they are going to let Bradley loose this early.
Btw Anime Keep has released the English fansub of 21 now...
dreamless
2004-03-02, 00:40
No. 66 is sooooo COOL!!!! 我殺故我在 , I KILL, THEREFORE I AM :D
Maybe Descartes got his idea of Cogito ergo sum from No. 66 :p
amazing ep!!! kept me on the edge of my seat the whole way through
dark dark dark. Funny how a friend of mine dismissed this anime to be too kiddish and stopped watching it around the earlier episodes... anyway, for some reasons it feels as though the philosopher stone arc of the storyline is going to come to a conclusion soon... the preview for the next episode seems even more intense than this one...
can't wait :heh:
Kamui4356
2004-03-02, 02:43
Another great episode. FMA has just pulled past R.O.D. as my favorite currently running series and has earned a place on my top ten list. :) Anyway, I doubt the philosopher's stone arc will end, but it may be made less of an issue soon, while the story concentrates on other things.
Wandering_Youth
2004-03-02, 04:02
Wow, I heard prison is like hell, but this takes the cake. We got Tucker and Barry back from the dead as freaks of nature along with hellish alchemy experiments going on. Oh my! :heh:
FlyByNite
2004-03-02, 04:14
Talk about a deal with the devil, Ed's willing to work with Tucker to further his goal of getting the Philosopher Stone.
Even though Tucker turned a little girl, his own daughter Nina, and Ed's friend into a deformed Chimera.
BTW, I gotta say that I haven't seen the manga, but I think having Tucker here is pure genius.
Scrumhalf
2004-03-02, 05:19
That was a killer of an episode lol
Gotta say Tucker looked quite bizzare in that chimera form, although it prevented me from having much dinner tonight. :twitch:
Bindibadgi
2004-03-02, 05:49
Wow 21 out by monday night! Top work fansubbers!! :eek:
8000 people sharing! blimey :eek:
That was one messed up episode..... And I wonder what the hell happened to Scars bro .... damn he got messed up bad :twitch:
alchemy suddenly becomes so evil in this episode, scary as what people with twisted minds will do with powers in their hands
Not even in my wildest dreams did I expect Tucker to appear. Not only that, but he has become a chimera himself? :twitch: That was one big surprise there. :heh: Anyway, did anybody else find it kind of odd to see Scar walking peacefully with Al? I know he has nothing against Al, but still, to walk with someone who could possibly be an interference later on?
dreamless
2004-03-02, 09:09
Anyway, did anybody else find it kind of odd to see Scar walking peacefully with Al? I know he has nothing against Al, but still, to walk with someone who could possibly be an interference later on?
Well, although Al could be an interference later on, he could be a big help to get to Ed in the first place.
One major nitpicking I have with this episode is the fact that Envy can fool the prison guards and administrators into thinking Basque Gran is still alive. Did the military hushed up the fact that Scar have already killed Iron Blood Alchemist a couple of weeks ago, and this prison hasn't got the word yet.
Or it would appear that the Sins' are running the place in conjunction with Gran (who afterall was in charge with overseeing some truely gruesome experiments), and the military in general didn't have too much to do with this facility. Once Gran is dead, Envy will have to show up once in a while in disguised to keep the place running.
This theory makes sense once you know who Wrath is.
Anyway, did anybody else find it kind of odd to see Scar walking peacefully with Al? I know he has nothing against Al, but still, to walk with someone who could possibly be an interference later on?
Scar has quite the ego, so I don't think he's worried about Al possibly interfering. If, Al were to interfere, Scar would as always, dodge any attacks and decompose Al in matter of seconds, after promptly telling him, he was "too slow."
Scar's too quick and powerful for Al to even try anything, and Scar knows it.
Kamui4356
2004-03-02, 13:06
One major nitpicking I have with this episode is the fact that Envy can fool the prison guards and administrators into thinking Basque Gran is still alive. Did the military hushed up the fact that Scar have already killed Iron Blood Alchemist a couple of weeks ago, and this prison hasn't got the word yet.
Or it would appear that the Sins' are running the place in conjunction with Gran (who afterall was in charge with overseeing some truely gruesome experiments), and the military in general didn't have too much to do with this facility. Once Gran is dead, Envy will have to show up once in a while in disguised to keep the place running.
Even if they got the news of Gran's death, once they see him they'll think it was just a cover to let him proceed with his experiments without worrying about any oversight. Unless the guards know that there are "people" who can change shape, which is highly doubtful. Also it would make sense that the military would try to cover up the fact that some guy is going around killing the strongest alchemists they have.
Er.. isn't anyone wondering who transmuted the prisoners' souls onto armor?
dreamless
2004-03-02, 13:40
One major nitpicking I have with this episode is the fact that Envy can fool the prison guards and administrators into thinking Basque Gran is still alive. Did the military hushed up the fact that Scar have already killed Iron Blood Alchemist a couple of weeks ago, and this prison hasn't got the word yet.
Or it would appear that the Sins' are running the place in conjunction with Gran (who afterall was in charge with overseeing some truely gruesome experiments), and the military in general didn't have too much to do with this facility. Once Gran is dead, Envy will have to show up once in a while in disguised to keep the place running.
This theory makes sense once you know who Wrath is.
manga spoiler considering that the President himself is a homuculus, it's not surprising that the Sins have control of the facility
"I...I am not a normal alchemist." cue ending music!!
Oh man.. that was perfect. Talk about badass lines. =)
On that subject, Ed really isn't normal. We've seen the stuff he's been able to do (no circle/deconstructing) and he's still young. Makes me really wonder who is father was.
Yondaime
2004-03-02, 16:48
In the preview for ep 22 it showed a pic of Alphonse (human) inside one of those red tubes with Philosopher stone liquid :o Dunno if this was just a "reflection" (literally) lol of what the Philosopher's stone can do or what it meant in general :hmm: Anyways great ep! Ep 22 looks even more amazing cant wait!!! :D
- Yondaime
This episode actually shot FMA to the top of my favorite anime list. I'm forever hooked on fma. I never expected to see
Tucker in a CHimera's body...especially like that. I figured if hes dead in the manga hed be dead in the anime. Could it be him who created the guards?
DarkNtity
2004-03-02, 18:26
This episode was so twisted. I was eating and felt literally sick when Tucker showed up.
And so many questions: What does #66 know about scar's arm, who was the guy imprisoned for 130 years, what will be Kimblee's fate and will he escape, what are Lust and co's intention, who the hell is greed, why scar's brother go cuckoo and what did he do and what happened to him, who's top dog in this whole experimentation scandal, what's scar's bro and lust's connection and who created the humunculus?
One freaking episode and if you have answers to the questions above, I beseech you. Do not answer them, I'm not asking for anyone to answer them.
Since Greed has now made an appearance in this episode, I guess I'll ask it here:
Who is Greed's seiyuu? ^_^; His voice sounds SO familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it, and I can't read kanji for names well at all in the credits...
polymath
2004-03-02, 20:21
I'm such a sucker. The way Bones ends these episodes rocks. The music coming in as the camera pulls back... Great stuff.
Anybody following PMKurogane also? Isn't it interesting how Bones has a show with an older brother in the foreground and the younger supporting him... and Gonzo has a show with a younger brother in the foreground with the older in the background?
I think I like FMA better... Much more intense... And the mysterious alchemical principles really add to a constant sense of intrigue.
Can't wait to see wrath in action!
wel i can say ep 22 looks to be really interesting....
and #66 is damned funny.
so my guess is that scar's right arm is actually his brother's that was somehow grafted onto his body. also the markings in the room are nearly identical to the markings on scar's brother's body (does he have a name? it'd be alot easier...)
my guess is to create a "true" philosipher's stone they need to make a huge sacrifice..... like 1000's of people, which is why he was so stricken.
and tucker.... he's still f'd up. trying to recreate that which he destroyed.
i hope this series keeps getting more and more twisted
yeah
polymath
2004-03-02, 22:20
The runes/symbols on the floor in the prison seem similar in style to those on Scar's brother. I think Scar's brother attempts at making the stone resulted in those full body tattoos... which is why they are similar to the State's attempts.
Perhaps they are approaching the problem from two different directions? Both ultimately require human sacrifice... so... did Scar's brother sacrfice himself to complete the arm? And in so doing, give a more complete "stone" to his brother?
Cool story...
just watched this episode last night. Wow. Great ending note, and alot of questions come up in this episode.
As for who created the armor, honestly I think it was tucker. He seems to have worked at that facility before, also he is gifted with working with human bodies and souls similar to Ed. I belive that is part of the reason ed and al were given to his care. so they could sty for the exam, and tucker could study them.
Just saw it and wow load of info start spilling out. It was kinda sick to see Nina in that form. Is the reason why the red stone is incomplete is b/c the person who create it, didn't use human? So, now Tucker trying to tell Ed is by combining all these incomplete stones together, you might skip the human scarifice step to create the philosopher stone???
dreamless
2004-03-03, 00:49
I think they should have already used plenty of human sarifice to make the incomplete stones...
What a great episode.
Rambling of thoughts re the possibilities below.
Tucker was a cool touch,his twisted atttempts at redemption through the Nina ressurection make him an interesting character - his protested sacrifice and self glory in becoming a chimera himself - he hints at it beng more cost than benefit, like it was his punishment, and his remorse that seems almost not believable, like if he succeeds in ressurecting Nina, is it for her benefit or his own? he is so twisted and his motives are so unclear, I wonder what he is really up to. He seems a weak person to me, who quite possibly would have deliberately ¨chimera?¨ himself for the strength of a larger, stronger body, while gaining the pitty of those he would manipulate psychologically. All this is speculation only, and I am probably so far off the mark its not funny, but I still believe Tuckers situation and personal goals are somewhat elaborate and potentially full of surprises. I think he could be a great plot device for a long time to come. It could be something more sinister - like he is actually nothing to do with the research there other than as subject of experiment, but those really in charge used him as a figure head for Ed? sake because of the effects his existance would have on the elric brothers treatment of the site and the research... And where did Marco enter and exit the research (if at all - was it an expansion of his work after he left it?) Who knows? and if you do, please don? tell me. I am eagerly waiting to see what direction this takes.
cant wait for 22 :)
Since Greed has now made an appearance in this episode, I guess I'll ask it here:
Who is Greed's seiyuu? ^_^; His voice sounds SO familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it, and I can't read kanji for names well at all in the credits...
Greed's Seiyuu is 諏訪部順一 (Suwabe Jun'ichi) or since English likes to address family name last... Jun'ichi Suwabe.
polymath
2004-03-03, 18:56
In reference to Anthias' remarks:
Tucker never answered Ed's question about who was behind everything... so that leaves a lot of possibilities to be explored.
Greed's seiyuu sounds sexy @_@ And we get to see a brief shot of his henchmen all covered in silhouette (I don't know their names cuz the Chinese scanlations translated their names in a way that confuses me x_x).
One thing is leaving me clueless; if Scar's brother was trying to perform a human transmutation, why didn't he lose any limbs or die? @_@ Did he use human sacrifices or something??
Episode 21 wasn't very sick to me at all. I guess it's because I already read some really disgusting stuff in the manga =P I actually thought the part with the Tucker chimera was very interesting ^^;;
Sue me, Ed just looked plain cool killing all those chimera dogs (or whatever those things were). It surprised me that all the blood didn't bother me. I was just eating an apple and watching the whole fight and not even flinching *_* Weird...
I can't wait to watch episode 22. I can't remember too well, but in the previews wasn't there a shot of Ed and Tucker both transmuting something on the same array??!! I must go check later...
One thing is leaving me clueless; if Scar's brother was trying to perform a human transmutation, why didn't he lose any limbs or die? @_@ Did he use human sacrifices or something??
It's not like there isn't a lot of volunteer during a war. He could even volunteer captured enemy for a sacrifice rituals
One thing is leaving me clueless; if Scar's brother was trying to perform a human transmutation, why didn't he lose any limbs or die? @_@ Did he use human sacrifices or something??
The human body does not just have limbs you know...
Well... at least it seems that he has gotten to see the Truth...
My thoughts on the episode...just in case it spoils something in the future. ^^
The appearance of Basque Gran made me do a double take and I am not sure if it's Envy's work, or if it's just a memory.
I was glad I recognized that alchemist. He looks like the crazy guy from the Ishbal massacre who was into blowing things up.
I think Al's innocent questions were meant to deter the dark nature of the episode.
I was shocked that Nina and Tucker appear here because I read the manga scans and they were killed by Scar, so I'm interested in seeing where the deviation goes, when that comes out in scanslations.
And if Tucker didn't make all of the chimeras, who helped? Besides that...I'm not sure Tucker really has great enough skills to do something big with the incomplete Philosopher's Stone, which is probably why he needs Edward.
Somehow I can't forget Hoenheim Elric...I wonder if he's hiding in the shadows somewhere. Like Tucker is "dead", Hoenheim is "missing".
Edward's looking a bit traumatized again...^^
As for the preview to 22...looks like Edward's well on his way to doing something reckless again. It seems important that the homunculus are there...I can't wait to see it! ^^
Rockpaperscissors
2004-03-04, 17:24
I do not think its Tucker's love towards Nina thats driving him now. He himself said in episode 7 that he transmuted Nina into a chimera only to see if he can do, it and now that his daughter is dead, it is my belief that he sees this situation as an alchemic challenge to see if he can actually create Nina or something like Nina.
polymath
2004-03-04, 20:22
I do not think its Tucker's love towards Nina thats driving him now. He himself said in episode 7 that he transmuted Nina into a chimera only to see if he can do, it and now that his daughter is dead, it is my belief that he sees this situation as an alchemic challenge to see if he can actually create Nina or something like Nina.
To give him the benefit of the doubt, he did say that he now understood how Ed and Al felt... so perhaps he now has a misguided sense of guilt...
The appearance of Basque Gran made me do a double take and I am not sure if it's Envy's work, or if it's just a memory.
I think it is important to note that:
it is envy there pretending to be Basque Gran, because as you see him leading the group of condemned prisoners down a corridor, you here Lust's voice saying that "envy is gathering the ingrediants"
So that's how I read the situation.
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