The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 8]

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[SSJiffy]

Let Today be the day. Let Today be the day. Let Today be the day.

[ijuinkun]

Don't jinx it.

[Kaisos Erranon]

YES! Another episode of the worst sequel EVER.

I'm so excited! What will the swimsuits look like this week?

Let's all hope this lasts until the end of the season! I can't wait!

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I highly doubt it's the worst sequel ever. I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin, after all. :heh:

[Zantetsuken]

How many hours left before it airs?

[SSJiffy]

How many hours left before it airs?

9:30am Pacific/6:30am Eastern.

[bayoab]

11:40am EDT/8:40am PDT + how ever long baseball delays it.

[Vexx]

I've got my popcorn to watch the thread..... the episode I'll watch later ;P

[thermopyle]

Fast forward to the end. If it's still, well, yeah. Just another week to ignore Haruhi.

[Ithekro]

So little faith. ;)

[Eak]

Uhh... lost count on the iterations of Endless Eight.

[Jintor]

MORE MATERIAL FOR AMVs

[-Sho-]

It'll be hilarious an Amv for the endless Eight XD

[Daniel E.]

I've got my popcorn to watch the thread..... the episode I'll watch later ;P

I have been doing the same for quite a while, but even that is getting old at this point. >_<

E8 must come to an end, and it needs to end pronto! :eyespin:

[Pradelus]

glhf.

Hopefully, this will be the last since it's the 8th episode. Though it makes sense for the arc to be 8 episodes. :S

[RisArk]

MORE MATERIAL FOR AMVs

That is the best random outcry yet.

[M.Marangio]

How many hours left before it airs?
24:40 + delays (Sun TV) or 25:30 (Teletama) local time, i.e. in around 7 hours.

[Caidryn]

To make an ex member of the staff issue an apology in a conference, and have fans like myself wavering in their love for the series..... Endless 8 really needs to come to an end. Cut the losses. It's been a month and a half of this now. :/ In any case best of luck to all of us.

Oh, and one last thing... Can anyone think of the target audience here? Alzheimer patients? I just wonder what they'd hoped to achieve.

[Kid Ying]

I highly doubt it's the worst sequel ever. I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin, after all. :heh:
Well, at least Batman and Robin wasn't this long, hehe. It's all a matter of what do you prefer: An hour and a half of MEDIEVAL torture or seven episodes(perhaps more) with moderate torture(even though i don't think endless eight is thaaat bad, unless you don't try to marathon it)

Either way, this one will be the one. They are going to make the endless eight end on the seven just to get everyone that thought that it was going to end in the episode 8 surprised.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Personally, I'd go with the 7+ episodes of moderate "torture." Though, that may just be due to the fact that I'm actually enjoying said "torture." :heh:

[Kid Ying]

Personally, I'd go with the 7+ episodes of moderate "torture." Though, that may just be due to the fact that I'm actually enjoying said "torture." :heh:
Well, it's not thaaaaat bad watching an episode for a week, i mean, if you are lucky, you even got enough time to forget some of the lines and there's always news stuff, like the plane in the sky or Yuki buying the mask(and hell, even Yuki doing the same stuff is still glorious)...

But doing an endless eight marathon? THAT is just for true warriors, hehe.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Can you even imagine if they were that literal with this gimmick to end it on the eighth episode? It would kind of be a little funny in a sad (for the anime industries creative processes) sort of way. Either way this has definitely been a low point in anime trends for me in recent years. Especially because by DVD time I'm sure it will prove beyond a reasonable doubt the theory that name and an ideal (moe?) tradition sells before anything else to the coveted Otaku demographic. A likely reality that I'm unsure if a lot of people are equipped to rationalize and accept when confronted by it face to face.

I just hope that in spite of nigh inevitable merchandising success that other companies will recognize the reason for it and not attempt a copycat of this gimmick.

On with the show then.....

[Triple_R]

I highly doubt it's the worst sequel ever. I mean, it's nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin, after all. :heh:

Well... Batman and Robin at least had Ahnold and his laugh-tastic pun-filled dialogue as Mr. Freeze (which, yes, I'll admit that I liked a lot), and Batgirl's costume was kind of appealing... the rest of the movie... *shudder*... but these two elements...


So, it's basically Mr. Freeze and Batgirl's costume

vs.

The Swimming pool scene and Haruhi, Mikuru, and Yuki's many kimonos.

Hhhmmm... tough choice.


Looking at the worst...

It's the freakin' Bat Credit Card and Bat nipples

vs.

Kyon becoming an utter imbecile and subtitles beginning to make my eyes bleed from familiarity.

Again... tough choice. :heh:


I will say, though, that this year's Haruhi could still be a better sequel than Batman and Robin if the last few episodes offer up something worthwhile. :)


Kaioshin Sama - We'll see. I think that a lot of people may very well be counting KyoAni's income before it flows in when it comes to DVD sales. Seeing how the DVDs do will be very interesting - they may not do as well as you and some others think.

[Jintor]

Honestly, just 3 loops would have been fantastic. They'd have made their point AND they probably wouldn't have pissed too many people off.

Sigh...

[RAD_ED]

Maybe this is some kind of test to see how truly loyal fans are. Also It doesn't feel like its going to end on ep 8.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well... Batman and Robin at least had Ahnold and his laugh-tastic pun-filled dialogue as Mr. Freeze (which, yes, I'll admit that I liked a lot), and Batgirl's costume was kind of appealing... the rest of the movie... *shudder*... but these two elements...


So, it's basically Mr. Freeze and Batgirl's costume

vs.

The Swimming pool scene and Haruhi, Mikuru, and Yuki's many kimonos.

Hhhmmm... tough choice.


Looking at the worst...

It's the freakin' Bat Credit Card and Bat nipples

vs.

Kyon becoming an utter imbecile and subtitles beginning to make my eyes bleed from familiarity.

Again... tough choice. :heh:


I will say, though, that this year's Haruhi could still be a better sequel than Batman and Robin if the last few episodes offer up something worthwhile. :)


Kaioshin Sama - We'll see. I think that a lot of people may very well be counting KyoAni's income before it flows in when it comes to DVD sales. Seeing how the DVDs do will be very interesting - they may not do as well as you and some others think.

Well my wild guess is somewhere around 20,000 (which seems to be the common range for the top popular franchise names and brands) give or take a few thousand. So somewhere between 17 and 23 thousand on the first week. If there isn't a new Disney flick or an Evangelion product then by all current trends I'm fairly sure it will top the anime Oricon chart on release and probably for that week.

[Roger Rambo]

I take it the loop repeated again.

[touge-n00b]

Sigh...

Is what we're hoping for? :D

[Triple_R]

Well my wild guess is somewhere around 20,000 (which seems to be the common range for the top popular franchise names and brands) give or take a few thousand. So somewhere between 17 and 23 thousand on the first week. If there isn't a new Disney flick or an Evangelion product then by all current trends I'm fairly sure it will top the anime Oricon chart on release and probably for that week.

Well, I give you credit for putting in an actual guess.

I'll do the same in turn... if 20,000 is normal for a popular franchise name and brand, then I'm going to guess... 10,000 to 16,000.

I think that Endless Eight is really going to hurt. I've seen people on this board proclaim that they were DVD buyers in the past for Haruhi but don't intend to pick up the Endless Eight DVDs. I've read this elsewhere as well.

Personally, and to be brutally honest, I hope that Endless Eight hurts DVD sales. Because otherwise, you can expect animation studios to take a nasty lesson from this, and prepare yourself for some crappy cheap work from some of the bigger names in the anime industry...

[bayoab]

Seeing as how it technically airs on August 31st...

...NO! Must not get my hopes up!
It's still July...

Especially because by DVD time I'm sure it will prove beyond a reasonable doubt the theory that name and an ideal (moe?) tradition sells before anything else to the coveted Otaku demographic. A likely reality that I'm unsure if a lot of people are equipped to rationalize and accept when confronted by it face to face.

Well my wild guess is somewhere around 20,000 (which seems to be the common range for the top popular franchise names and brands) give or take a few thousand. So somewhere between 17 and 23 thousand on the first week. If there isn't a new Disney flick or an Evangelion product then by all current trends I'm fairly sure it will top the anime Oricon chart on release and probably for that week.
Here's the double edged problem... DVD4(BLR) will very likely sell much better than DVD5.X(E8). There are going to be those who aren't going to buy #4 because they aren't buying the 5.X series. However, there are those who will still buy #4 and then stop. I've also been seeing a number of posts indicating anger at the $50/1ep release. Thus, the actual effect of any of this won't be known until long after the series is over. (i.e. BLRs release won't tell us anything unless it goes insanely in one direction.)

(This probably belongs in the regular 2009 thread as this has nothing to do with ep 8.)

[RAD_ED]

Did they air it yet? The suspense is annoying me.

[FlashFumo]

It's still July...

I may or may not have forgotten that. For I am an idiot.

:upset:

[Ice Block]

Reading through what I missed...

....

More qq than the average WoW forum board (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=13395581&sid=1)...

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Anyway, predicting loop number 15,529 and a non-ending in ~4.5 hrs.

[Myssa Rei]

Incidentally, the longer this goes on, the more I'm finding the reactions to the repetitions hilarious. It's either anger, despair, or a tired acceptance that the loops will continue.

Serious dejavu on my part, as I still remember how it was during EVA's first run...

As for the DVD sales, if Kadokawa is really going through with releasing Endless Eight separately instead of bundled in with the other new episodes, well, it would be a surprise if they'd even break the 7000-unit sale mark. People on both sides of the Pacific are obviously angry, but we'll see if their wallets share their indignation.

[PraiseDivineMercy]

Ack, okay, here posting my hopes that KyoAni has grown a brain or someone in the company with some financial acumen has threatened them on our behalf.

However I will also stick to my theory that the endless eight is a publicity stunt to market the reairing of the first season, and not the second season itself.

[Myssa Rei]

Incidentally, it's likely we won't see a resolution tonight either.

[Jintor]

Tonight's my pessimistic night - I vote NO RESOLUTION.

Endless Time Loop ahoy!

[Rice_slayer]

Can't wait for a New Endless eight episode next week, what Endless recursion of time will we see :P.

[Forever]

Since I have totally lousy gambling luck these days, I say it will be a repetition

[LumpOfCole]

Gee I wonder what's going to happen!


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[Solafighter]

I have the feeling, that i had this feeling just recently.

Perhaps this time the endless eight will end end end end end end end end end end end end end end end end end end *head against wall*.

Who knows. :uhoh:

[dnab]

Remember this "children's" book Masquerade? Probably not, it's way too old.

Anyway, here's the publicity stunt:

Buried within the 8+ episodes of E8 are hints to the actual buried location to a Kadokawa Easter Egg. No geography knowledge necessary, since all scenes in E8 are based on actual locations. And what might be the buried treasure that warrants such expansive marketing twist and fan angst? The manuscript to Haruhi novel #10 and the actual chopped little finger belonging to Tanigawa himself.

[zato_1one]

Many people expect it to end in 8 episodes. And that's why I think it will not end in 8 episodes. :heh: Expect the unexpected. :eyespin:

[GMT]

Time to issue a prediction this week:
There's a 45% chance that it won't end this week. The loop will go through, per usual.

I'll say there's a 20% chance that they'll make the ending of E8 a two-parter, because they, like Haruhi, love to drag out utterly unimportant things and make them agonizing. Which is to say that this week's episode will have a real plot development with the actual ending next week.

I'd say there's 15% chance we'll see a whole new episode this week, and the resolution of E8 will not be aired. Just because it'd be trollish.

Let's toss in a mere 10% chance that E8 will be resolved this week.

And for the last 10%? The loop will repeat, but there will be a twist that will make us think the loop is going to end, but come the end of the episode, it will be clear that they're just trolling us again.

Note that's a 75% chance that the loop is going to continue, in one way or another. Hang on to your hats, kids!

[typhonsentra]

Wow, so much discussion when it's already pretty well accepted that this won't be the end?

[Dakota]

There is a 100% chance that Haruhi will air, and there will be fan reaction. There is also a 100% chance that none of us know anything.

[Jintor]

Someone made a post on another forum I frequent suggesting the possibility of them jumping straight into Disappearance from E8 with no mention of resolution.

That be to say, Kyon wakes up in the alternate universe. This does however skip like about a month's worth of Sigh, so...

Prognosis: unlikely.

[M.Marangio]

2chan threads: (links deleted)

[cybermirage]

Well that was fun.

I clicked on the first page of the episode discussion thread that was at the top of the forum. The poll had a massive amount of 1's so I just thought, "oh, it looped again," and started skimming. The whole time I have this "wait, I think I've read this last week," feeling. I just dismissed it as "oh, someone asked a question that was asked last week, and they're posting roughly the same discussion pattern as last week."

It was the Episode 7 discussion thread. :heh:

[Stardust Romance]

^lol

This will either end with failure, or major epicness.

...I want epicness ;~;

[wittyusername]

I'm trying to be at least kind of optimistic about this, and it's not really working. But what I'm hoping for is that some day in the near future, Disappearance will air. And it will be so amazing and pretty and not-Endless-Eight that it will redeem Kadokawa and KyoAni. I kind of want them to be thought of as something other than the companies that screwed up Haruhi. It'd be nice to see them as the companies that screwed up Haruhi, and then brought her back at full force.

But that's failed optimism for you.

[chikorita157]

I have the feeling that I have seen the same thread before...

Never mind... it's because it's Endless Eight™. Let's hope Endless Eight™ ends today or people will be raging again like always.

[Ascaloth]

Well that was fun.

I clicked on the first page of the episode discussion thread that was at the top of the forum. The poll had a massive amount of 1's so I just thought, "oh, it looped again," and started skimming. The whole time I have this "wait, I think I've read this last week," feeling. I just dismissed it as "oh, someone asked a question that was asked last week, and they're posting roughly the same discussion pattern as last week."

It was the Episode 7 discussion thread. :heh:

Nani ka okashii..... :D

[Solachinx]

Damn you 2ch! Post screenshots!

Edit: the art looks nice...

[M.Marangio]

Screenshot from 2chan:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i180/M_Marangio/Haruhi/th_endlesseight7.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i180/M_Marangio/Haruhi/?action=view&current=endlesseight7.jpg)
endless eight, again...

[Saymon]

no surprise

[Solachinx]

I think I saw some Grayscale in a screenshot; de ja veux(sp) moment?

Edit: lol, look at the store's name where the Yukatas are bought XD

[Ascaloth]

Mikuru's yutaka....

....is not a goldfish pattern. :(

[SilentOb]

Edit: lol, look at the store's name where the Yukatas are bought XD

So much win :D

[Rice_slayer]

loop# is 15527

[Roseweave]

Are there any official ratings for Endless Eight thus far?

[Solachinx]

Howwmany was the original loop? 15,498? If so, we went backwards.

[Ice Block]

loop# is 15227
No no. I believe it's 15527.

[Rice_slayer]

And the episode is...
Another loop!!!!

[Saymon]

looped again

[Ithekro]

I don't think these stations are on a ratings scale. Aren't they local stations?

[Ascaloth]

Homework: undone

[Solachinx]

It looks like Kyon failed. Happy happy joy joy!

[Myssa Rei]

Yep, and the loop continues!

[Dr. Casey]

And the episode is...
Another loop!!!!

sigh

Ah well, my birthday's in two days so at least I can let this one slide instead of raging. Here's to the Endless Eight finale next week.

And that's correct, Ith. I guess they're banking on DVD sales for this one.

[Solachinx]

At least the art direction looks decent.

[chikorita157]

Expected it to happen... Kadokawa decide it to make it 8 episodes instead of six... Let the raging begin...

Anyways... Yet's take the limit of 15527+x where x is how many times Kyon does not do it's homework to infinity.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5156/endless.png

The answer is infinity, meaning Endless Eight will never end...

DAMN YOU KADOKAWA!!!!!! 6 episode is enough... Have you trolled us enough... This episode gets a 1/10.

[CrowKenobi]

Another Loop? :twitch: :eek:

*sigh* ...another week of raging...

At least Jintor has more material for that AMV he made... :D

[Rice_slayer]

^^ He's right, there is a nice picture of Haruhi's ASSets on 2ch thread, At least we get lots of fan service with these eps. Also, "Kyon-kun, Denwa~"

[QueenNori]

What's this?
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2/src/viploaderf166903.jpg

[Ice Block]

Oh well, this bumps my 15529 loop prediction to next week. From the screens, this episode seems to have at least E8-5 level art. Will see how it looks animated.

[M.Marangio]

What's this?
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2/src/viploaderf166903.jpg

The second new DVD (5.142857).

ETA:
What does the 5.142857 mean?
5.142857 = 5 + 1/7, i.e., it is one of the new DVDs that will be inserted between the old DVD #5 (Lone Island Syndrome I+II) and #6 (Live a Live, Day of Sagittarius III).

[Solachinx]

What does the 5.142857 mean?

[Sister Princess]

Part 5 DVD but break into lots of tiny parts.

While I know what it means but I can't describe it.

[Roseweave]

What a waste of time and money, honestly.

[Game8910]

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/39/1248969023091.jpg

can't help but laugh

[CrowKenobi]

Well, at least Kyoani is having fun with it now... :)

[QueenNori]

7 Endless Eight DVDs?

[Game8910]

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱4.X \4,830 笹の葉ラプソディ (第1巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2009/08/28 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.142857 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第2巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/09/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.230769 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第3巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/10/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.285714 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第4巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/11/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.428571 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第5巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/12/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.571428 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第6巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/01/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.714285 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第7巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/02/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2010/03/末 発売

is this even true?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Incidentally, the longer this goes on, the more I'm finding the reactions to the repetitions hilarious. It's either anger, despair, or a tired acceptance that the loops will continue.

Serious dejavu on my part, as I still remember how it was during EVA's first run...

As for the DVD sales, if Kadokawa is really going through with releasing Endless Eight separately instead of bundled in with the other new episodes, well, it would be a surprise if they'd even break the 7000-unit sale mark. People on both sides of the Pacific are obviously angry, but we'll see if their wallets share their indignation.

Generally if it's a rerelease/special edition/anniversary edition then I've noticed they only sell about half of what new seasons/sequels do. That kind of throws a monkey wrench into things because now one has to speculate whether Otaku recognize endless eight as slight variations on the same episode or as a new season. If it's the former then I wouldn't be surprised if Vol. 1 pushed 20,000 but each subsequent volume only pushes about 8 to 10 thousand.

By the way, 1 episode for 5,000 or so yen is just the standard format for a Vol. 1 release of a 13-14 episode series. 1 for the initial release (usually with a collector's box) and then 2 from then on ending with a volume 7 or in the case of 14 episode shows a volume 8, usually having some sort of DVD exclusive for the second episode for Kadokyoto shows.

[SidVicious]

Poor Yuki...

[bayoab]

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱4.X \4,830 笹の葉ラプソディ (第1巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2009/08/28 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.142857 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第2巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/09/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.230769 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第3巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/10/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.285714 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第4巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/11/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.428571 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第5巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/12/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.571428 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第6巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/01/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.714285 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第7巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/02/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2010/03/末 発売

is this even true?
The numbers, prices and ep counts are basically confirmed. The episodes and dates are not.

[CrowKenobi]

I like Nagato's yukata this ep... :D

[W-General]

Great. Another week when i don't have to watch Haruhi. I've even forgotten how that it airs today and missed the live airing - I just check to see whether Endless Eight is still going or not.

The numbers, prices and ep counts are basically confirmed. The episodes and dates are not.
Still, looks like 6 discs of Endless Eight. I definitely won't be buying them even though I am a die-hard Haruhiist. If this means I fail as a Haruhiist then I will fail it - not that much of an idiot to buy 6 discs of the same crap.

I hope Kadokawa loses hundreds of thousands of dollars over this nonsense. We consumers have to use our wallets to protest.

[typhonsentra]

Pictures confirm this isn't even a two-parter, just another wasted episode. I'm not even going to bother watching the stream this time.

[GDB]

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2010/03/末 発売

If this is true, is it saying that Sigh is only getting a single episode? Wasn't it an entire volume in the novels? Yet, according to this list, Endless Eight gets 12 episodes now?

I dunno, seems fake to me. KyoAni may be insane, but I don't think they're outright stupid.

[W-General]

Pictures confirm this isn't even a two-parter, just another wasted episode. I'm not even going to bother watching the stream this time.

You've been watching the stream? I've given up on it since Endless Eight 4

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

What former director Yamamoto thinks about endless eight.

tqy8x-zKuKw

[Myssa Rei]

Will people stop posting Yamakan's interview?

[W-General]

Will people stop posting Yamakan's interview?

Especially when he asked that it not to be uploaded to the Internet....
Oh well, this is all moot point now.

[Malkuth]

Iteration # 15527

Still there is way to go ... I really hope the fanboys giving 10s enjoy this :heh:

[Myssa Rei]

Especially when he asked that it not to be uploaded to the Internet....
Oh well, this is all moot point now.

I'm just annoyed at the redundancy of it, as it seems with every Endless Eight repetition, someone just has to post it, despite it having been posted during the past several weeks.

[Vegard Aune]

So, another non-ending? That's it, I'm not even gonna watch this episode, because I'm just so god damn tired of this.

...Oh, and come to think of it, how is anyone possibly gonna profit from this? I mean, who would willingly purchase 6 DVDs in a row with what is practically the same episode repeated over and over?

[typhonsentra]

Will people stop posting Yamakan's interview?

Only once they stop looping this show.

[baltakatei]

Hahahahahahaha!!

As a side note, Kyon's final deja vu was epic. Hi-res screenshot, please.

[Pixelation]

All I can say is they must be incredibly confident in the power of Haruhi to pull such a massive stunt. It's actually as impressive as it is frustrating.

I personally wouldn't buy the individual DVDs of this. Already owning the first season, I wouldn't buy a re-release box set of the first season with Endless Eight. I'd only own this if it was packaged in the normal box set with a REAL second season, and even then just because I was getting it with along with a large amount of worthy entertainment.

Buying a DVD of what amounts to a Haruhi advertisement is just too silly for me. :rolleyes:

[Sister Princess]

So, another non-ending? That's it, I'm not even gonna watch this episode, because I'm just so god damn tired of this.

...Oh, and come to think of it, how is anyone possibly gonna profit from this? I mean, who would willingly purchase 6 DVDs in a row with what is practically the same episode repeated over and over?

As long as the extra stuff comes inside worth at least 3000 yen then I expect they will sold at least 4000 copies.

[Kaioshin Sama]

All I can say is they must be incredibly confident in the power of Haruhi to pull such a massive stunt. It's actually as impressive as it is frustrating.

I personally wouldn't buy the individual DVDs of this. Already owning the first season, I wouldn't buy a re-release box set of the first season with Endless Eight. I'd only own this if it was packaged in the normal box set with a REAL second season, and even then just because I was getting it with along with a large amount of worthy entertainment.

Buying a DVD of what amounts to a Haruhi advertisement is just too silly for me. :rolleyes:

Yeah pretty much confidence in knowing that it's a profitable franchise in Japan, but I don't think Bandai is going to be too happy if they try to do an R1 release, something I can't even fathom at the moment even as I bring it up. What works in Japan for this sort of situation doesn't work nearly as well here if at all.

[Archon_Wing]

Well, at least I'll have the Hitler rant parodies on this. :heh: Downfall of Kyon...

[Eak]

I know it will sell (definitely not a whole lot as I am sure the Japanese audience is just as disappointed as we are) but to have it in so many DVDs? Repetition x 7 is one thing... but does Kadokawa think we are THAT stupid to buy the same thing on (what seems like) more than 4 DVDs? Seriously?

[Ice Block]

Coming from the stream, animation quality is on par with E8-4 [Ep05] (background characters were mostly static, especially noticeable during the obon festival). A few things in this episode:

Haruhi challenging Yuki to successive swimming contests in the pool.
Kyon goes Rambo on the fireworks. :heh:
Of course, the ENDLESS yukata shop.
Kyon practicing the I love you line in the stargazing scene.
And, of course, the most epic cafe deja vu scene yet.
Still, there are some things I may have missed. Off to sleep...

[DRAGUN H.E.X.]

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy111/Datablink79/99c781f93697e88d2b81c2e535605a34-1.jpg

[Solafighter]

What former director Yamamoto thinks about endless eight.

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When was this interview, by any chance? :confused:

[ReneeBurossamu]

Expecteddddd. And oddly I don't even feel anything about Endless Eight anymore.

I can still bet that there are fanboys who still have a small ounce of respect for these episodes because of an animated, curvy girl in a swimsuit. Sick and tired of this.

Also who's the one responsible? KyoAni or Kadokawa? I'm a bit confused on that.

[chikorita157]

I compiled all the ratings/votes from Episode 1-7...
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8771/endlesseight.png

Will Episode 8 reach a new high for negative ratings?

[GDB]

I compiled all the ratings/votes from Episode 1-7...
*image snip*

Will Episode 8 reach a new high for negative ratings?

Wow, episode 5 took a beating. That's surprising to me, it was my favorite one of the endless eight shown thus far. It actually made Yuki look like she was about to snap. Then again, I guess that's about when people truly started to realize this wasn't going to end anytime soon. >_>

[OverMaster]

Especially when he asked that it not to be uploaded to the Internet....
Oh well, this is all moot point now.

He couldn't have been expecting it not to be put on the Internet, when it was about such a touching issue, and right at that time. He couldn't have been that naive, as to think fandom would just leave it like that.

Oh, no, I'm sure he knew exactly it would happen.

[OverMaster]

...Oh, and come to think of it, how is anyone possibly gonna profit from this? I mean, who would willingly purchase 6 DVDs in a row with what is practically the same episode repeated over and over?

Some of the people in these threads, for starters... :heh:

Edit: Why is the poll closed? I don't see the point of it. I wanna put another 1, boo!

[bayoab]

He couldn't have been expecting it not to be put on the Internet, when it was about such a touching issue, and right at that time. He couldn't have been that naive, as to think fandom would just leave it like that.

Oh, no, I'm sure he knew exactly it would happen.
No, he basically wrote a blog entry saying he had hoped it would remain off the record.

[mokuseimaru]

I can only take solace in the fact that I didn't watch last weeks episode, nor will I watch this weeks. I honestly wish I could say that I'm not bothered, that my heart rate is at the same level it was at before I opened this thread, but that would be a lie.

I just don't know at this point. If next week's episode isn't the conclusion, this entire "reairing" has been, at best, an empty advertisement of sorts for a true second season, and at worst an honest to God troll. I admit that somewhere in me there is the diabolical anticipation of an ecstatic wave of Schadenfreude in the image of the faces of the defenders and the believers transfixed with despair as they realize that, should there ever be a true second season, it is several years away. That ecstasy would quickly give way to my own person feelings of anguish, but there would be at least some consolation at the begin in saying "I told you so".

I can also say that, in my heart, I think that if I heard that any of the animators at Kyoani or high ranking staff of Kadokawa were involved in some kind of non-fatal but extremely painful accident, there would be a part of me that would feel slightly elated in the sense that they had got what was coming to them for this horrible prank. Rationally, I know that this is a despicable thought to have over something so trivial as T.V. show, but I cannot deny it's truth. Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connait point.

[Toonleap]

Forget about the Nice Boat....

The usual screenshots and opinions. (http://www.cartoonleap.com/2009/07/30/haruhi-second-season-ep-18-still-endless-nice-butt/)..next week, hopefully, will be the last one!

[OverMaster]

No, he basically wrote a blog entry saying he had hoped it would remain off the record.

Mmm-hmmm. Sure, I'll believe that.

It still looks like a badly camouflaged self-publicity stunt to me.

[marcosv]

This endless repeat is getting so dumb, I just had to delurk and post:

What if it's we, the fans, that are in the endless loop and that we have to do something to break out, not Kyon?

Like what if this is a puzzle where the fans have to combine all available knowledge of this show, from the original novels, to the TV episodes, YouTube episodes, etc., and come up with a solution to this hidden puzzle and post it at some website? KyoAni, monitoring all the fansites, see the solution was finally posted and only then break out of the loop?

Wouldn't we all think that such an unannounced interactive game between the series and the fans to be just brilliant?

Also, what would you think if the DVDs of Endless Eight episodes had a special DVD only episode which was yet another version of Endless Eight?

In the meantime, we're all going mad like Yuki watching this --- whither we like it or not.

[topboy]

Always 10/10 , just open the poll please
Hail Haruhi !
Hail KyoAni !

[OverMaster]

What if it's we, the fans, that are in the endless loop and that we have to do something to break out, not Kyon?

Like what if this is a puzzle where the fans have to combine all available knowledge of this show, from the original novels, to the TV episodes, YouTube episodes, etc., and come up with a solution to this hidden puzzle and post it at some website? KyoAni, monitoring all the fansites, see the solution was finally posted and only then break out of the loop?

Wouldn't we all think that such an unannounced interactive game between the series and the fans to be just brilliant?


Odds of that being the real answer are as high as the possibility of the next loop being a To Love Ru crossover, I'd say. No, these things had to be animated with months of anticipation. It's not as easy as you are proposing.

[Malkuth]

Wow, episode 5 took a beating. That's surprising to me, it was my favorite one of the endless eight shown thus far. It actually made Yuki look like she was about to snap. Then again, I guess that's about when people truly started to realize this wasn't going to end anytime soon. >_>

A little OOT, but the 4th iteration took such a beating because it made Yuki lose the K from her name. It had the worst and most repetitive art. Also it was the point that most realized that this stunt will take very long and most of us just snapped and remembered all the stunts that Kadokawa and KyoAni have pulled in the past.

Always 10/10 , just open the poll please
Hail Haruhi !
Hail KyoAni !

Care to explain?

[mokuseimaru]

About that DVD information: is that genuine? If so...I mean, who would buy such a thing? I mean, even for an otaku, wouldn't having all these 5 and 1/7 DVDs in your collection be an object of shame and derision? If you let anyone see that you had bought it, you might as well meet them wearing a "I am a tool" badge.

[khryoleoz]

Incidentally, the longer this goes on, the more I'm finding the reactions to the repetitions hilarious. It's either anger, despair, or a tired acceptance that the loops will continue.
Have you purposely left out the reactions of people like me who are still liking it and are having fun? Seriously, more Haruhi is better than no Haruhi.

Great. Another week when i don't have to watch Haruhi. I've even forgotten how that it airs today and missed the live airing - I just check to see whether Endless Eight is still going or not.
But you sure didn't forget to post about it. Interesting.

[mokuseimaru]

Have you purposely left out the reactions of people like me who are still liking it and are having fun? Seriously, more Haruhi is better than no Haruhi.


Wow. Just...wow. There are no words.

[chikorita157]

If I knew that the whole season is going to be like this... I rather not have them air Haruhi at all, so we keep our sanity and not having to watch the same old crap over again so Kyoto Animation can focus on making better anime than Endless Eight crap.

No offense to anyone who likes Haruhi...

[typhonsentra]

Wow, episode 5 took a beating. That's surprising to me, it was my favorite one of the endless eight shown thus far. It actually made Yuki look like she was about to snap. Then again, I guess that's about when people truly started to realize this wasn't going to end anytime soon. >_>

I don't know why you'd be surprised. Besides it being the point many finally gave up, it had some rather atrocious animation mistakes. Episode 4 was worse but this was the breaking point for many.

[Triple_R]

Wow. Just...wow. There are no words.

I hear that Colombian drug lords are trying to take these 'new' Haruhi episodes and ground them into a fine powder. Given how they somehow enable some people to actually enjoy endless repetition, the sense is that these Haruhi episodes must be made of some good stuff... ;):heh::D:p

Haruhi... the new crack cocaine. :heh:

[CrowKenobi]

Coming from the stream, animation quality is on par with E8-4 [Ep05] (background characters were mostly static, especially noticeable during the obon festival). A few things in this episode:

Haruhi challenging Yuki to successive swimming contests in the pool.
Kyon goes Rambo on the fireworks. :heh:
Of course, the ENDLESS yukata shop.
Kyon practicing the I love you line in the stargazing scene.
And, of course, the most epic cafe deja vu scene yet.

Still, there are some things I may have missed. Off to sleep...You missed Haruhi and the hula hoop, the two sleep scenes of Kyon with his hands on his butt, however the "Endless" might refer to the book store across from the yukata shop. :D

That end scene: break out your 3D glasses for that one! :heh:

[mokuseimaru]

I hear that Colombian drug lords are trying to take these 'new' Haruhi episodes and ground them into a fine powder. Given how they somehow enable some people to actually enjoy endless repetition, the sense is that these Haruhi episodes must be made of some good stuff... ;):heh::D:p

Haruhi... the new crack cocaine. :heh:

This thought has occurred to me as well, though more along the lines of, I could see how one might enjoy Endless Eight if one were high. I had a roommate who liked to "smoke" and he could find basically anything entertaining.

Oh, and by the way, I found something interesting. Here's some information on Kyoani's main studio

zip:611－0002
32,OSeto,Kohata,Uji-shi,Kyoto-fu,Japan
TEL +81-774-33-1130
FAX +81-774-33-5162

More information can be found here (http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/data/e/company/company_gaiyou.html)

Also, a blog (http://hectic3.shanaproject.com/?p=15) detailing how to get there and a bird's-eye-view (http://wikimapia.org/1750777/Kyoto-Animation) of the studio.

Now, I don't imagine there are many people in Kyoto in an English forum, but if there were...Well, in any case, if you have access to a fax you can use for free, you might think of some creative things to do. One might say this would only annoy the secretary who receives the faxes, but as far as I'm concerned he or she and all 67 employees of Kyoani are complicit in this. Complicit I say, complicit!

[FAiM]

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱4.x \4,830 笹の葉ラプソディ (第1巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2009/08/28 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.142857 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第2巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/09/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.230769 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第3巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/10/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.285714 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第4巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/11/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.428571 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第5巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/12/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.571428 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第6巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/01/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.714285 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第7巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/02/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2010/03/末 発売

5.142857 = 5 + 1/7
5.230769 = 5 + 3/13 :confused:
5.285714 = 5 + 2/7
5.428571 = 5 + 3/7
5.571428 = 5 + 4/7
5.714285 = 5 + 5/7

[dark-kyon]

Expecteddddd. And oddly I don't even feel anything about Endless Eight anymore.

I can still bet that there are fanboys who still have a small ounce of respect for these episodes because of an animated, curvy girl in a swimsuit. Sick and tired of this.

Also who's the one responsible? KyoAni or Kadokawa? I'm a bit confused on that.
the only responsible for endless eight is kyon,i gona change my nickname for what kyon is now the worst lead anime character.well only kouta-kun is worst.
i expect what kyon pay for be a bag of crap.

[Starlight]

That end scene: break out your 3D glasses for that one! :heh:

:heh: An exclusive IMAX showing of slow motion Kyon chasing after Haruhi! In cinemas NOW. :heh:

Just randomly commenting, I don't even bother watching the end of these episodes anymore. ._.

[Vexx]

ah..... I must admit to a streak of schadenfreude .... so much stochastic noise.

[Triple_R]

This thought has occurred to me as well, though more along the lines of, I could see how one might enjoy Endless Eight if one were high. I had a roommate who liked to "smoke" and he could find basically anything entertaining.

Perhaps such getting high is also the explanation behind what caused Endless Eight in the first place... ;):D Here's an edited version of AfroMan's "Because I got high"....


I was gonna make something new
until I got high.
I was gonna get up and write a
script, but then I got high.

My arc is still endless
and I know why.
(why man?) Yeah, heyy!
Cause I got high
Cause I got high
Cause I got high!

La da da da da da, Da Daaaa

Haruhi was back in class before
I got high.
Arc coulda ended and she coulda passed
but I got high.

She's not in class right now
and I know why.
(why man?) Yeah, heyy!
Cause I got high
Cause I got high
Cause I got high!

[Akka]

Mmm-hmmm. Sure, I'll believe that.

It still looks like a badly camouflaged self-publicity stunt to me.
Rather a badly-camouflaged jab at KyoAni, I think.

I have a hard time swallowing he could really be naive enough to believe nobody would repost the info. So I tend to think he KNEW someone would repost the info, but just acted to play the good guy.
Not that KyoAni didn't deserve the jab, though.

[bhl88]

I'll be done with my AMV a few weeks later.

It's called: "Endless 8 will not end"

[Peanutbutter003]

I didn't even bother to catch the stream this time. Not that I don't like Haruhi anymore but this stunt made me realise I shouldn't waste my time watching essentially the same thing again.

Back to sleep.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ummmmm.....so anyone have any guesses on which art style they are finally going to settle on for the rest of the season if there are any other stories or do you think it's going to keep rotating?

[Roger Rambo]

Have you purposely left out the reactions of people like me who are still liking it and are having fun? Seriously, more Haruhi is better than no Haruhi.
Which is like saying one of your limbs getting amputated is better than having both of them blown off. Just trying to be objective here. I'm not particularly butt hurt about any of this. Mostly amused.

And I take it that endless 8 didn't end again :eyespin:

[Jarmel]

If it doesn't end next week, then I'm done with this show. I was actually going to buy the blu-rays for this show until this crap happened. I don't even know if I want Kyo-Ani to do FMP anymore.

[Roger Rambo]

Forget about the Nice Boat....

The usual screenshots and opinions. (http://www.cartoonleap.com/2009/07/30/haruhi-second-season-ep-18-still-endless-nice-butt/)..next week, hopefully, will be the last one!
The one redeeming aspect of this entire endless loop (http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4999/snapshot20090730120129.jpg). Kyo Ani will occasionally give us a quality image of Haruhi in a 2 piece.


It seems like there's some talk about Kyoani will be handling DVD sales. I've been taking my summer math class final all day, so could someone briefly fill me in?

[Triple_R]

The one redeeming aspect of this entire endless loop (http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4999/snapshot20090730120129.jpg). Kyo Ani will occasionally give us a quality image of Haruhi in a 2 piece.



At least now Kyon has an excuse for not coming up with any way out of the loop. He's too fixated on Haruhi's sex appeal! :heh:

[GDB]

It seems like there's some talk about Kyoani will be handling DVD sales. I've been taking my summer math class final all day, so could someone briefly fill me in?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2547813&postcount=85

[Key Board]

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱4.X \4,830 笹の葉ラプソディ (第1巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2009/08/28 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.142857 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第2巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/09/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.230769 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第3巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/10/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.285714 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第4巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/11/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.428571 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第5巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/12/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.571428 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第6巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/01/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.714285 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第7巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/02/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2010/03/末 発売

is this even true?

You better hope it's not. Because it says that Endless Eight will run for 12 episodes

[Heminga13]

There could be 4 episodes of Sigh, which would take place right after Endless Eight and before the rest of the old episodes. Aren't the numbers supposed to indicate where it takes place volume wise from the old DVDs?

Edit: Er..6 episodes of Sigh. Or maybe 5. idk, nvm...

[Malkuth]

You better hope it's not. Because it says that Endless Eight will run for 12 episodes

No way they will do Sighs in one episode ... come on that would be suicide (financially) :twitch:

That would also put a huge gravestone to the most popular franchise Kadokawa and KyoAni currently handle :uhoh:

[Triple_R]

You better hope it's not. Because it says that Endless Eight will run for 12 episodes

If KyoAni actually does this, then Haruhi's finished. Completely finished. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. :(


I'd like to know the source for...

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱4.X \4,830 笹の葉ラプソディ (第1巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2009/08/28 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.142857 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第2巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/09/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.230769 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第3巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/10/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.285714 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第4巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/11/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.428571 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第5巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/12/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.571428 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第6巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/01/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.714285 \6,930 エンドレスエイト (第7巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2010/02/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2010/03/末 発売

[Vexx]

This has been posted but the parody fan reaction youtube link is hilarious (->Hitler).

http://www.cartoonleap.com/2009/07/30/haruhi-second-season-ep-18-still-endless-nice-butt/

I've seen very little about how the "fans that count" (the Japanese otaku) are reacting to the situation now (mostly for lack of time). Anyone have a summary of general reaction?
(other than "nice butt!")

[Midonin]

The more people talk about the franchise being dead and wanting it to suffer, that may actually be worse for it than anything the producers are doing. For at least this current run, even with the odd marketing methods, the people behind it are going out of their way, even if it was in secret, to keep it running. There's still plenty of new episodes left unaired and other things on the horizon.

But if the fans bring it upon themselves...

[chikorita157]

The Calculus of Endless Eight... (look under Endless Eight in a Mathematical Sense) and yes, this is a joke.
http://chikorita157.net84.net/anime/blog/?p=1543

[Triple_R]

The more people talk about the franchise being dead and wanting it to suffer, that may actually be worse for it than anything the producers are doing. For at least this current run, even with the odd marketing methods, the people behind it are going out of their way, even if it was in secret, to keep it running. There's still plenty of new episodes left unaired and other things on the horizon.



And you know this how?

Seriously, why the hell should any of us trust KyoAni and Kadokawa at this juncture? Who says that they have anything else prepared beyond Endless Eight and one freakin' episode of Sighs?

[Takamura Mamoru]

The Calculus of Endless Eight... (look under Endless Eight in a Mathematical Sense) and yes, this is a joke.
http://chikorita157.net84.net/anime/blog/?p=1543

*watches Hitler video*
This is the funniest thing I've seen in weeks. I can't stop laughing.

[Ithekro]

Well, there are two stories currently between DVD#5 and DVD#6. Endless Eight and Sigh. So they have seven discs to tell two stories, of which they have already divoted four discs to Endless Eight (because we'll be seeing it at least once more). The question is if they will make Sigh five episodes or less, since the last disc seems priced to be a single episode on the DVD much like the first disc with BLR.

[RAD_ED]

The only thing that made this ep worth it"Kyon-kun Denwa"

[bayoab]

If it doesn't end next week, then I'm done with this show. I was actually going to buy the blu-rays for this show until this crap happened. I don't even know if I want Kyo-Ani to do FMP anymore.
Why does everyone blame it entirely on Kyo-ani and not Kadokawa? Kadokawa is funding this show. This clearly was not decided by Kyo-ani alone. Kadokawa does marketing for the show. Kadokawa is on the production committee. Very little of this has to do with Kyo-ani at all.


It seems like there's some talk about Kyoani will be handling DVD sales. I've been taking my summer math class final all day, so could someone briefly fill me in?Kyoani has nothing to do with the DVDs. Other companies handle the DVD releases for them. (Pony Canyon, Kadokawa, etc)


I'd like to know the source for...

涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱4.X \4,830 笹の葉ラプソディ (第1巻)　限定版 (1話収録)　2009/08/28 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.142857 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第2巻)　限定版 (2話収録)　2009/09/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.230769 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第3巻)　限定版 (2話収録) 2009/10/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.285714 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第4巻)　限定版 (2話収録) 2009/11/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.428571 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第5巻)　限定版 (2話収録) 2009/12/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.571428 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第6巻)　限定版 (2話収録) 2010/01/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.714285 \6,930 エンドレスエイト　(第7巻)　限定版 (2話収録) 2010/02/末 発売
涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱5.999999 \4,830 涼宮ハルヒの溜息ト　(第8巻)　限定版 (1話収録) 2010/03/末 発売
The BOLD is confirmed via an official soliciation.
The GREEN has a picture floating around of it. (With a date of 9/25, KABA-6002)
The ORANGE is via the moonphase/tarekomi leak/2ch.
The RED is pure 2ch speculation at this point.
(The ep counts are confirmed via the price points)

[Midonin]

And you know this how?
I don't know much of anything, actually. But I don't see how flagellating the franchise is going to help matters. What I'm trying to say is: "With all this talk of hoping it suffers, you may very well kill it." Thereby ridding the chance for anything new in the future. At least let it run its full course.

[phizzy]

I take it it's still going on then.

[Triple_R]

I don't know much of anything, actually. But I don't see how flagellating the franchise is going to help matters. What I'm trying to say is: "With all this talk of hoping it suffers, you may very well kill it." Thereby ridding the chance for anything new in the future. At least let it run its full course.

Look, I don't want the Endless Eight DVDs to do so badly that this anime is finished.

BUT... I do want KyoAni and Kadokawa to pay some sort of price for this - to receive some sort of wake-up call - because otherwise, we as anime fans are probably going to see more stunts like this in the future... and from more than this anime alone.

Mind you, if KyoAni/Kadokawa gives us 12 straight episodes of Endless Eight (as 2ch speculates - thanks for the info, bayoab :) ), then it won't matter what any of us says. Some of the Endless Eight DVDs will bomb if 6 of them are nothing but Endless Eight - only your hardest of hard core collectors will actually get all 6 (whereas if it was all different episodes with unique content...).

Don't try to pin this on the fans - this is KyoAni and/or Kadokawa's own doing. This is their stupid little stunt that may self-inflict their flagship anime into death.

[GDB]

I've seen very little about how the "fans that count" (the Japanese otaku) are reacting to the situation now (mostly for lack of time). Anyone have a summary of general reaction?
(other than "nice butt!")

They're destroying their figures and books. I can't find the images at the moment, but they're physically raging, rather than just internet raging.

[mokuseimaru]

I don't know much of anything, actually. But I don't see how flagellating the franchise is going to help matters. What I'm trying to say is: "With all this talk of hoping it suffers, you may very well kill it." Thereby ridding the chance for anything new in the future. At least let it run its full course.

Of course, no one wants Haruhi to end. I despise the decisions of the creators, but while I do want them to suffer for it---if not for producing 8 (or more) episodes of Endless Eight, then for the "re-airing with new episodes" thing being a least partially a hoax (because episodes 3-8 have been basically the same with slight cosmetic differences---that is to say, they're not really "new" in the sense of covering new material) that may or may not be a lead in to a "true" second season---I want them (or someone at least) to continue making the show. But if the shows continuation is contingent upon the fans actually buying Endless Eight DVDs, then I would say the future looks grim.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Don't try to pin this on the fans - this is KyoAni and/or Kadokawa's own doing. This is their stupid little stunt that may self-inflict their flagship anime into death.

Frankly, I hope it does die. Good riddance, at this point.

Of course, that'll probably mean no new novels either, but given Kadokawa's track record, they'd probably ruin them somehow too.

Better to remember this franchise when it wasn't the biggest joke of the anime world. Sort of like how fans are remembering Micheal Jackson now.

But if the shows continuation is contingent upon the fans actually buying Endless Eight DVDs, then I would say the future looks grim.

I'd say that any and all new material (novels included) is contingent on E8's DVD sales.

Which is the whole joke.


Yes I'm bitter shut up. :heh:

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Look, I don't want the Endless Eight DVDs to do so badly that this anime is finished.

BUT... I do want KyoAni and Kadokawa to pay some sort of price for this - to receive some sort of wake-up call - because otherwise, we as anime fans are probably going to see more stunts like this in the future... and from more than this anime alone.

Mind you, if KyoAni/Kadokawa gives us 12 straight episodes of Endless Eight (as 2ch speculates - thanks for the info, bayoab :) ), then it won't matter what any of us says. Some of the Endless Eight DVDs will bomb if 6 of them are nothing but Endless Eight - only your hardest of hard core collectors will actually get all 6 (whereas if it was all different episodes with unique content...).

Don't try to pin this on the fans - this is KyoAni and/or Kadokawa's own doing. This is their stupid little stunt that may self-inflict their flagship anime into death.

Kadokawa ALREADY paid the price; they paid the salaries and the TV slots for Endless Eight.

You make it sound like everything they've done has cost them nothing at this point. We just wasted bandwidth watching episodes; they paid MONEY. The way i see it, they can do whatever that want as long as they spend their own cash doing it.

[mokuseimaru]

Frankly, I hope it does die. Good riddance, at this point.

Of course, that'll probably mean no new novels either, but given Kadokawa's track record, they'd probably ruin them somehow too.

Better to remember this franchise when it wasn't the biggest joke of the anime world. Sort of like how fans are remembering Micheal Jackson now.



I'd say that any and all new material (novels included) is contingent on E8's DVD sales.

Which is the whole joke.


Yes I'm bitter shut up. :heh:

Well, I think that even should the show die, the novels need not. I mean, Melancholy was released in 2001, wasn't it? So they can probably get along without it.

You know, I really wonder what Tanigawa thinks of this. Of course, he probably had no say, but I wonder if he was even told beforehand. I doubt he would have thought this was a good idea---for all the bizarreness of the subject matter, Tanigawa isn't a huge stylistic iconoclast as the anime might make you think. He experimented with the alpha/beta threads in Disassociation , but compared to a Joyce or a Faulkner he's fairly conservative.

[Roger Rambo]

Kadokawa ALREADY paid the price; they paid the salaries and the TV slots for Endless Eight.

You make it sound like everything they've done has cost them nothing at this point. We just wasted bandwidth watching episodes; they paid MONEY. The way i see it, they can do whatever that want as long as they spend their own cash doing it.The thing is they probably expect the fans to foot the bill with DVD sales.

[Triple_R]

Frankly, I hope it does die. Good riddance, at this point.

Of course, that'll probably mean no new novels either, but given Kadokawa's track record, they'd probably ruin them somehow too.

Better to remember this franchise when it wasn't the biggest joke of the anime world. Sort of like how fans are remembering Micheal Jackson now.



I'd say that any and all new material (novels included) is contingent on E8's DVD sales.

Which is the whole joke.


Yes I'm bitter shut up. :heh:



I also think that DVD sales are important here.

That's what makes it such a tough situation.


If the DVDs for this season sell downright terribly... then this anime, and possibly the Haruhi franchise as a whole, is dead. An anime with such incredible potential is finished, with no hope of revival. Sad... very, very sad.


OTOH, if the Endless Eight DVDs sell really well... then the anime industry as a whole will stand up and think "Ha ha ha ha ha! These otaku will buy anything... anything... that has a cute marketable face on it! Time to cut costs back on animation quality and script-writing quality, boys and girls! We're going to do this on the cheap because as Endless Eight DVD sales prove, otakus will buy anything!" Watch the quality of anime (especially prominent anime) plummet. This is not just sad, this is a disaster.

It's almost a no-win situation... :(


Somewhere between "downright terribly" and "really well" there may be a sweet spot where KyoAni/Kadokawa goes "Ok... that fell just a bit short of our expectations... Haruhi can still sell, but we have to scrap stunts like Endless Eight in order to sell really well. Let's get back to doing this the Season 1 way!"

I'm hoping for the sweet spot.


Still, your Michael Jackson comparison resonates with me...

[Midonin]

Watch the quality of anime (especially prominent anime) plummet. This is not just sad, this is a disaster.
I think some of the more critical/paranoid/self-obsessed fans have been declaring that for years. Despite the shifting culture and changing of the market tides, anime isn't dead yet. I don't think E8's succeeding would cause as significant of a change as you're fearmongering.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Tanigawa isn't a huge stylistic iconoclast as the anime might make you think.

No, that was Yamakan's doing in S1, I'm pretty sure.

The Haruhi novels are pretty traditional, they're just clever.

The thing is they probably expect the fans to foot the bill with DVD sales.

I think so too.

My current theory is that they underestimated the fanbase's reaction.


OTOH, if the Endless Eight DVDs sell really well... then the anime industry as a whole will stand up and think "Ha ha ha ha ha! These otaku will buy anything... anything...

But... they already know this. Otaku WILL buy anything. :heh:

I think some of the more critical/paranoid/self-obsessed fans have been declaring that for years. Despite the shifting culture and changing of the market tides, anime isn't dead yet. I don't think E8's succeeding would cause as significant of a change as you're fearmongering.

This isn't "ANIME USED TO BE BETTER WHEN I WAS YOUNGER", this is an actual concern. :heh:

Haruhi is VERY influential. Well, it used to be.

[Triple_R]

I think some of the more critical/paranoid/self-obsessed fans have been declaring that for years. Despite the shifting culture and changing of the market tides, anime isn't dead yet. I don't think E8's succeeding would cause as significant of a change as you're fearmongering.

I'm not fearmongering - I'm presenting a fair, honest, and reasonable viewpoint on this. Like Kaisos said, Haruhi is influential. So, if Endless Eight does well...

Midonin... Seriously now, is this good entertainment, in your mind? Is this a smart way to treat your fans? Is it fun to watch the same plot unfold before your eyes seven or more times in a matter of only a few weeks? Do you honestly blame the fans for reacting to this repetition the way that many of us are?

My favorite movie of all time is probably Tim Burton's Batman (the one with Jack Nicholson as the Joker). As much as I loved that movie, I can honestly say that after viewing it four times in four weeks, I would not want to watch it again for a very long time.

Is this aversion to repetition such a difficult concept to understand and accept?

[Midonin]

I can understand where people are coming from, but some of the reactions and absurd metaphors people have been using have been more in line with some of the types of the fans I've learned that I should probably avoid. All that over a TV show is a bit unnerving.

As for why I don't have a problem with it: Each episode is slightly different, the story is a time loop, and it's only 24 minutes of my viewing time once a week in a week where I watch and do plenty of other things. I'm certain that it will end eventually and I trust that the producers know exactly what they're doing. It doesn't bother me that much.

[M.Marangio]

The GREEN has a picture floating around of it. (With a date of 9/25, KABA-6002)
The second DVD is also appearing in the lists of online shops with two catalogue numbers: KABA-6002 (limited edition) and KABA-6102 (normal version).

Chara-ani has some additional informations:
http://www.chara-ani.com/details.asp?prdid=B09701844
http://www.chara-ani.com/details.asp?prdid=B09701845

[Roger Rambo]

People who get really upset over the show are to invested. I agree. However that's hardly some carte blanche to just declare everything the producers good automatically golden. There are generally 2 types of people in this thread. The one's who overreact and think this is the end of the world and the people who convince themselves this is actually high quality.

I derive great amusement watching the two parties rip each other up.

[Kaisos Erranon]

People who get really upset over the show are to invested. I agree. However that's hardly some carte blanche to just declare everything the producers good automatically golden. There are generally 2 types of people in this thread. The one's who overreact and think this is the end of the world and the people who convince themselves this is actually high quality.

I'm part of the group that's just generally bitter. :D

[Triple_R]

People who get really upset over the show are to invested. I agree. However that's hardly some carte blanche to just declare everything the producers good automatically golden. There are generally 2 types of people in this thread. The one's who overreact and think this is the end of the world and the people who convince themselves this is actually high quality.

I derive great amusement watching the two parties rip each other up.

I'll admit that I'm probably too invested in this anime for my own good. Of all currently ongoing anime, this is the one that, by far, catches my imagination the most. The characters, and ideas, behind it are simply superb.

But yeah, I'm too invested in it.

It doesn't help that my biggest interest next to anime is pro hockey (NHL), and this is NHL off-season... I was kind of hoping that anime wouldn't make this feel like an endless Summer... *ahem* ;)

[Sute443]

Kadokawa ALREADY paid the price; they paid the salaries and the TV slots for Endless Eight.

You make it sound like everything they've done has cost them nothing at this point. We just wasted bandwidth watching episodes; they paid MONEY. The way i see it, they can do whatever that want as long as they spend their own cash doing it.

There is a very large difference between what you described (commonly known as investment) and paying the price for something the way it is being used in this thread. See, people usually expect a return on their investment; to profit from the money they spent. It's the old saying "You have to spend money to make money." "Paying the price" as it was used in the post you responded to would mean suffering negative consequences. In this context, it could be a failure of the investment to make a profit.

[bayoab]

The second DVD is also appearing in the lists of online shops with two catalogue numbers: KABA-6002 (limited edition) and KABA-6102 (normal version).

Chara-ani has some additional informations:
http://www.chara-ani.com/details.asp?prdid=B09701844
http://www.chara-ani.com/details.asp?prdid=B09701845

Interesting, they list english subtitles... but they don't for DVD4... huh?

[Conan-san]

As far as the Home Video Release is concenred ether two things are going to happen

1) Kadokawa gets a very rude awakening when the volumes don't sell.

2) Japan is confirmed to be a country of stupids who will eat whatever swill is shoved in their faces.

and by christ I do NOT want it to be #2.

[Kaisos Erranon]

2) Japan is confirmed to be a country of stupids who will eat whatever swill is shoved in their faces.

Haruhi-brand tissues.

That is all.

[W-General]

Seriously, fans, if you have any common sense, do not buy the Endless Eight DVDs when they come out (R1, R2, whatever region of DVDs you buy).

I used to buy anything Haruhi, DVDs, CDs, figures, novels, etc. But this is too much. I hope the Japanese Otaku get a point too - that is, animation companies HAVE NO RIGHT to toy with consumers like this - Kadokawa and KyoAni needs to be taught a lesson. I will buy the first DVD (R1) (with Bamboo Leaf and maybe 2 episodes of Endless Eight) and skip the rest (at least 2 DVDs) until the last episode of Endless Eight.


I will enjoy watching the crash of the DVD sales. e.g. Bamboo Leaf: 50,000 sold. Endless Eight: 100 sold.

EDIT: Actually I saw a pretty good idea: Buy the DVDs and smash them in a high-publicity event. But then again Kadokawa actually will make money from this so maybe not that great an idea after all - the point is to make Kadokawa and KyoAni suffer financially.

[Kaisos Erranon]

animation companies HAVE NO RIGHT to toy with consumers like this

Actually, they have every right. :heh:

Their reputation will just suffer, is all.

[-Sho-]

By judging for the polls results , it seems that its another Endless episode XD so its direct a 1/10 :)

[W-General]

Actually, they have every right. :heh:

Their reputation will just suffer, is all.

They can make what they want to make. I won't buy it. And hopefully dozens of thousands of others will follow suit.


By judging for the polls results , it seems that its another Endless episode XD so its direct a 1/10 :)
Well done sir. That's pretty much what I did as well :D Didn't even have to watch the episode - a quickie 1/10

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well done sir. That's pretty much what I did as well :D Didn't even have to watch the episode - a quickie 1/10

See, this sort of thing is sort of like hypocrisy, but not exactly... what would you call it?

[Ithekro]

Voting without watching defeats the purpose of voting.

It was average. The art quality was as good as the original run of the series and there was some nice fanservice plus at least one good background joke thrown in. If they did more I'd half expect KyoAni to be trying to pull a SHAFT on us. But other than that and a few interesting effects, the rest of it was rather dull.

[Akka]

If the DVDs for this season sell downright terribly... then this anime, and possibly the Haruhi franchise as a whole, is dead.
This reasoning is weird.

I mean, the backlash about E8 is already famous, even among the producer themselves. They chose to ignore it (or at least to stick to their schedule despite it), but they know it isn't popular.
If the DVD sell terrible, the reason would be pretty obvious : E8.

I don't why they would shut down one of their best-selling franchise just because a KNOWN idiocy have made a particular season's sales plummet.

The obvious deduction would be : E8 was a flop, let's not try to troll people in the future.
Because if it sold well before, and sold bad with E8, they would certainly understand that the Haruhi franchise can still produce money... Only not with idiotic ideas.
As such, disastrous DVD sales could be a GOOD thing for the franchise, by making them understand "quality pay, trolling doesn't". And as such, I hope for a total, complete, utter disaster for the E8 sales. If only to bring justice on the heathens :p

Of course, you have to be an idiot beyond all reason to even think about producing eight time the same episode, and even more idiotic to actually do it, so counting on them not being total imbeciles is perhaps a flaw in my reasoning, but well...

[W-General]

By judging for the polls results , it seems that its another Endless episode XD so its direct a 1/10 :)

Voting without watching defeats the purpose of voting.

It was average. The art quality was as good as the original run of the series and there was some nice fanservice plus at least one good background joke thrown in. If they did more I'd half expect KyoAni to be trying to pull a SHAFT on us. But other than that and a few interesting effects, the rest of it was rather dull.

Was there any new plot development/content? No? Then that is enough to warrant a 1/10 vote. Although I do wish there's a 0/10.

[Heminga13]

The thing is, they might not care if the Endless Eight DVDs don't sell. BLR gets its own DVD and that will probably sell well. If Sigh does take up the last 5 episodes or whatever, those will probably sell. And heck, maybe the last Endless Eight DVD will sell just so people can watch the last loop and forget about the rest. Anyway, they probably figure that the ones that do sell will still bring in a profit, and if the other Endless Eight DVDs sell some, too, then that's a bonus.

[Akka]

Seriously, fans, if you have any common sense, do not buy the Endless Eight DVDs when they come out (R1, R2, whatever region of DVDs you buy).
Honestly, I was shocked to learn that there was DVD sold with a SINGLE ep on them.

My common sense would dictate to never buy a DVD with less than at least four ep on it. So I guess that common sense has already lost the battle a long time ago.
The thing is, they might not care if the Endless Eight DVDs don't sell.
Nobody in the industry ever NOT care about his goods sellings. You're kidding yourself here. The VERY POINT of selling something is to... well, sell it ? :p
Even if BLR and Sigh sell well, they will lose money (or at least lose a profit) if E8 doesn't.

Of course they might not care a lot, but you don't shrug and don't care about bad sales in the industry. Not if you actually survived in the industry past the first year, though :p

[bhl88]

the last week is the only thing left for us.

If endless 8 hasn't ended for the VIII time....

all the otakus will charge and smash KyoAni like what Minoru did to Lucky Channel XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

Of course, you have to be an idiot beyond all reason to even think about producing eight time the same episode, and even more idiotic to actually do it, so counting on them not being total imbeciles is perhaps a flaw in my reasoning, but well...

Exactly. They're complete fucking morons.

I wonder if they even realize how stupid they are.

Was there any new plot development/content? No? Then that is enough to warrant a 1/10 vote. Although I do wish there's a 0/10.

Again, the sorta-hypocrisy thing.

You should at least view before you vote. It's why I haven't been voting these last two episodes.

Honestly, I was shocked to learn that there was DVD sold with a SINGLE ep on them.

My common sense would dictate to never buy a DVD with less than at least four ep on it. So I guess that common sense has already lost the battle a long time ago.

R1 DVDs will have 4 eps on each. Bandai knows that American otaku won't just buy anything.

In Japan, however...

[Reckoner]

Voting without watching defeats the purpose of voting.


Usually this is true, but I feel that epic trolls like this can be an exception. :)

[OverMaster]

The way i see it, they can do whatever that want as long as they spend their own cash doing it.

And we in turn can complain about it as much as we want.

Everyone wins! Except for well, everyone, but at this point, who cares?

[Jintor]

It's all been done
woo-hoo-hoo-hoooo
it's all been done
woo-hoo-hoo-hoooo
it's all been
doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnneeeeeeee
beforrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Hypernova]

As far as the Home Video Release is concenred ether two things are going to happen

1) Kadokawa gets a very rude awakening when the volumes don't sell.

2) Japan is confirmed to be a country of stupids who will eat whatever swill is shoved in their faces.

and by christ I do NOT want it to be #2.

Knowing the crowds who buy hundreds of copies (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/14/morning-musume-otaku-crush-anime-otaku/) of same single, 174 of the same figurine (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/07/28/otaku-buys-174-idolmaster-figures/) and 6 K701 (http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/07/27/mio-maniacal-otakus-5000-spending-spree/) just because Mio use one. It will probably be #2.

It all a matter of who is more fanatic, ^^ or:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l14/skwf1985/45612__468x_2ch-haruhi-endless-eigh.jpg

[OverMaster]

It's all been done
woo-hoo-hoo-hoooo
it's all been done
woo-hoo-hoo-hoooo
it's all been
doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnneeeeeeee
beforrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee

This is why we need to change the discussion to the only noteworthy new thing about the episode: the closeup of Haruhi's butt.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It's all been done
woo-hoo-hoo-hoooo
it's all been done
woo-hoo-hoo-hoooo
it's all been
doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnneeeeeeee
beforrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee

At least you have new material, huh?

[yeahreally]

You better hope it's not. Because it says that Endless Eight will run for 12 episodes

Well if they did do 12 episodes of Endless Eight, the arc wouldn't end until the end of August. Which makes a certain twisted kind of sense.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well if they did do 12 episodes of Endless Eight, the arc wouldn't end until the end of August. Which makes a certain twisted kind of sense.

The same kind of sense that motivates idiots to do stupid things, no doubt.

[marcosv]

Odds of that being the real answer are as high as the possibility of the next loop being a To Love Ru crossover, I'd say. No, these things had to be animated with months of anticipation. It's not as easy as you are proposing.

It could be do-able if they deliver a bunch of never ending episodes and the conclusion and was able to direct the stations to jump to the conclusion episode the day before the air date...

Highly unlikely like you're saying, but, at this point, I *wish* it was true. Then that would mean that there was purpose to our suffering. :p

[Jintor]

Accept that we suffer because a bunch of suits somewhere decided we should!

[OverMaster]

Accept that we suffer because a bunch of suits somewhere decided we should!

Wait, so KyoAni is Cartman and we are Scott Tennerman? Do they like the taste of our tears?

[Jintor]

They worship some kind of Pain Demon, and dedicate each broadcast to its power.

[Triple_R]

This reasoning is weird.

Really? I can't think of many animes that successfully recovered from a year's worth of terribly low DVD sales. Can you?

People in the business world are typically very averse to risking getting bitten twice, even if there's a perfectly logical reason why they got bit once...

I hope that you're right in your reasoning, though.

[Akka]

Really? I can't think of many animes that successfully recovered from a year's worth of terribly low DVD sales. Can you?
Perhaps not, but in these cases, they were actually trying to do good seasons and the sales didn't follow.

Here, they purposedly shoot the season down. That's not really the same. It's pretty obvious that it's not the show which won't sell, but the stunt.

[topboy]

10/10
Hail Kyoto Ani !
Hail Haruhi anime !

*even If this episode is still picture of cat for 24 minutes , I will still give it 10/10

[Selofain]

Voting without watching defeats the purpose of voting.

It was average. The art quality was as good as the original run of the series and there was some nice fanservice plus at least one good background joke thrown in. If they did more I'd half expect KyoAni to be trying to pull a SHAFT on us. But other than that and a few interesting effects, the rest of it was rather dull.

I wish there was more discussion like this. That's what the episode thread is for.

[Eak]

Someone said earlier (sorry I am on my phone and can't quote) that "we should buy the dvds and break them in a public place" (loosely paraphrased).

Here's a little bit of advice if you're pissed off about this whole E8 thing. Don't buy the DVDs at all. If you were to protest in the above fashion it shows Kadokawa two things: 1. You are obviously pissed off. 2. You have more disposable income then they first anticipated. (Enough to literally burn it if you get what I am saying). Buying them and destroying them in protest is stupid because you've paid them already! This only encourages their 'trolling' because you were so emotionally invested enough in the first place to buy it and then to be pissed about it.

Phew that was too long but this shit happens waaaay too often and it needs to stop.

[Malkuth]

10/10
Hail Kyoto Ani !
Hail Haruhi anime !

*even If this episode is still picture of cat for 24 minutes , I will still give it 10/10

Here you have it guys the dream customer of Kadokawa :p

On the DVD sales issue, I agree with most of the bleakness expressed in these last pages ... it's better for Haruhi to end now before they aggravate the fans (still having functional brains) more. At least I will keep my fond memories from three years ago when I show the original run and read the first novels :(

[chikorita157]

Someone said earlier (sorry I am on my phone and can't quote) that "we should buy the dvds and break them in a public place" (loosely paraphrased).

Here's a little bit of advice if you're pissed off about this whole E8 thing. Don't buy the DVDs at all. If you were to protest in the above fashion it shows Kadokawa two things: 1. You are obviously pissed off. 2. You have more disposable income then they first anticipated. (Enough to literally burn it if you get what I am saying). Buying them and destroying them in protest is stupid because you've paid them already! This only encourages their 'trolling' because you were so emotionally invested enough in the first place to buy it and then to be pissed about it.

Phew that was too long but this shit happens waaaay too often and it needs to stop.
Agreed... and also, you are showing them it's practically okay to pull this kind of thing and will do the same thing in the future...

Boycotts are usually effective if done correctly... but don't do the former... like suggested.

[fish eric]

E

Again, the sorta-hypocrisy thing.

You should at least view before you vote. It's why I haven't been voting these last two episodes.


Wow Kaisos,

You are usually just an opinionated jerk ( I mean that in the nicest way possible, seriously ) but I am impressed that you not only were able to see the tastelessness in those who vote without watching the show, but you refrained from voting because you didn't watch the episodes either.

There is a word to describe this that I cannot think of, but I am impressed by your behavior.

Im gonna leave you positive feedback for that post

Agreed... and also, you are showing them it's practically okay to pull this kind of thing and will do the same thing in the future...

Boycotts are usually effective if done correctly... but don't do the former... like suggested.


Shhh! Don't tell them that. It will be funny if they actually do it.

[Demoned Away]

Endless Eight summarized in one video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHvOge4WvI

Kyon-kun, denwa~

Whoever can watch all 10 minutes of it gets a cookie.

[HigurashinoUmineko]

My question is if they have the money to make 8 or 9 or-however-long-this'll-be episodes of the basic same thing, with different animation and all that crap, why doesn't KyoAni even THINK of bringing some anime back to life? I mean what about K-ON!, Lucky Star, and others that could've had a second season?

But NO. They had to waste their time and money on god-knows-how-many-episodes of the same thing.

AND now they expect the fans to buy seperate DVDs of the basic same thing.
I'm just disappointed is all...

[chikorita157]

My question is if they have the money to make 8 or 9 or-however-long-this'll-be episodes of the basic same thing, with different animation and all that crap, why doesn't KyoAni even THINK of bringing some anime back to life? I mean what about K-ON!, Lucky Star, and others that could've had a second season?

But NO. They had to waste their time and money on god-knows-how-many-episodes of the same thing.

AND now they expect the fans to buy seperate DVDs of the basic same thing.
I'm just disappointed is all...

I rather have them animate Little Busters! for once... I haven't played the visual novel yet, but if Kyoto Animation did that, it will give the same results like Clannad and Kanon and regain their reputation...

But... I know they won't... They are too caught up with Haruhi and Endless Eight... what a waste of time and money.

Im gonna leave you positive feedback for that post
But, you won't be able to since reputation is disabled (since I'm afraid of bad reputation and I don't really believe that much in it). I'm sorry for that, but it should be okay. ;)

[dark-kyon]

i have a idea,when dvd come out buy them, later make a copy of the dvd and then go a kadokawa and throwing the 40000 dvd in the entrance.:D:D:D:D:D

[fish eric]

I rather have them animate Little Busters! for once... I haven't played the visual novel yet, but if Kyoto Animation did that, it will give the same results like Clannad and Kanon and regain their reputation...

But... I know they won't... They are too caught up with Haruhi and Endless Eight... what a waste of time and money.


But, you won't be able to since reputation is disabled (since I'm afraid of bad reputation and I don't really believe that much in it). I'm sorry for that, but it should be okay. ;)

Hehe, you know what... I actually meant that for Kaisos. I went back and edited my post after i saw yours and must have stuck it in the middle of my post instead of the bottom.

And I can't leave it for Kaisos either. I left Kaisos some bad rep points a couple threads ago when he said that we should bomb the Kyoani building and it says that I have to spread my points around more before I can give it back to him.


i have a idea,when dvd come out buy them, later make a copy of the dvd and then go a kadokawa and throwing the 40000 dvd in the entrance.:D:D:D:D:D


Why?

[chikorita157]

i have a idea,when dvd come out buy them, later make a copy of the dvd and then go a kadokawa and throwing the 40000 dvd in the entrance.:D:D:D:D:D
The problem is that you are still giving money to Kadokawa... not to mention, copying a DVD more than once is illegal since fair use only allow one backup copy.

Not to mention, it's a waste of blank DVDs... and bad for the environment.

fish eric: Sorry for the mix up.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

I have personally found KyoAni’s tactic in submitting repetitive episodes intriguing. They’re truly a company to be reckoned with that explores territories that no other company would tread. It really makes me ponder the underlining intentions of all this. Honestly, why would a company who has gained so much popularity be so asinine and screw themselves over on purpose?

If this is purly for money making, I guess they could get there way (at least from the diehard faithful Kyoani fans that'll buy any product they produce). If they did this purly for artistic purposes it brings arise to the inherent problem of treating any piece of art simply like any other generic commodity and going down the mass-production route; it inevitably cheapens its value both individually and overall.

In any case, controversy is always a great topic and will bring in more publicity (which it certainly has in this case). In my opinion, this endless eight direction was theoretically win, but in practice has been quite lackluster.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I rather have them animate Little Busters! for once... I haven't played the visual novel yet, but if Kyoto Animation did that, it will give the same results like Clannad and Kanon and regain their reputation...

I've played a bit of the visual novel. I will say that Little Busters is really fucking good.


Not to mention, it's a waste of blank DVDs... and bad for the environment.

I think printing of E8 DVDs in the first place is a waste of DVDs...

[Jarmel]

I'm starting to wonder if they are purposefully trying to destroy the franchise. After this season, who wants a season 3? This might have been a big middle finger to the fans who wanted a season 2. This allows them to do a FMP, which we know the staff at Kyo-Ani likes, or something like that without people bitching to high heavens. FMP is also owned by Kadokawa so it might have been sacrificing one series to allow another, even though Haruhi sells more than FMP by a boatload. I can see this if Kadokawa is pissed at the author for not doing jack for the past couple of years and Kyo-Ani doesn't want to produce anymore Haruhi. Atleast FMP is producing more novels while the Haruhi author is twiddling his thumbs.

[ReneeBurossamu]

Changes this time around (skimmed through the important parts):

-Haruhi apparently challenges Yuki at the pool.
-Kyon's reaction when his phone rings in the middle of the night made me laugh.
-I can't understand a word Mikuru says because she's babbling in tears.
-Koizumi sounds really, really cheerful compared to the other times.
-You sit through a still shot of Koizumi's watch for at least 10 seconds while they talk.

Ahhhh why am I even logging onto this site?
Episode gets a 2 because you gotta love Sugita trying to be funny despite the loops.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Atleast FMP is producing more novels while the Haruhi author is twiddling his thumbs.

Gatou's touched the novels? I thought they were on hiatus too.

I wouldn't expect more FMP any more than I'd expect more Haruhi after this...

[Jarmel]

He's just taking his time but yes he has produced some stuff.

[ReneeBurossamu]

Who thinks that the loop is going to end next week?
And yes, I'm serious.

[Roger Rambo]

Who thinks that the loop is going to end next week?

People who suffer from various delusional complexes.

[Heminga13]

So for those who have watched the episode, what was up with the mini loop at the pool? That seemed odd and out of place. Also, the episode seemed to go by faster than some other ones.

[Ithekro]

I think there were something like three mini-loops. Where something repeated twice for a few seconds. I remember two, and I think I remember a third. I guess the loops are starting to break down. It is only a matter of time before the correption destroys the loop.

[Heminga13]

Huh, I must have not noticed the other two. Actually, was there one at the final cafe scene? I remember that being slightly odd (aside from the crazy animation).

[atividia]

/skips to end of episode

...

/notices that the loop is still intact
/deletes episode

[Jintor]

/skips to end of episode

...

/notices that the loop is still intact
/deletes episode

I don't know why you'd even bother D/Ling in this case, just check out the scores on here and see from there if the loop has ended or not.

If the episode that ends the loop is absolute crap but it ends the loop it might get a lot of 10/10s...

[GMT]

My question is if they have the money to make 8 or 9 or-however-long-this'll-be episodes of the basic same thing, with different animation and all that crap, why doesn't KyoAni even THINK of bringing some anime back to life? I mean what about K-ON!, Lucky Star, and others that could've had a second season?

But NO. They had to waste their time and money on god-knows-how-many-episodes of the same thing.

AND now they expect the fans to buy seperate DVDs of the basic same thing.
I'm just disappointed is all...
I've figured out their evil plan.

Kadokawa and KyoAni did one season of Haruhi. Even though they had a tiger by the tail, they didn't want to do more than one season.

Except the rabid fanbase begged them to do a second season. For three years. If I had to listen to three years of whining, I'd be getting pretty irritable too.

So they decided to produce some new material. Just to shut the fans up. Except, to make it clear how much they hate the fanbase, they decided to animate Endless Eight over, and over, and over. The only reason it's even remotely interesting is because KyoAni decided to "stick it to the man" and animate each episode fresh.

Even if the rabid fanbase hates E8, they'll buy enough of the new Haruhi stuff that KyoAni and Kadokawa will, at least, break even, if not outright profit. Except the rabid fanbase will have learned their lesson, Haruhi will be dead, and the studio can get back to the business of producing single-season shots of shiny.

Years from now, anime nerds will have this very conversation:

Anime Nerd 1: "Dude! I so wish that insert series here would get a second season, 'cuz it rocks that hard!"

Anime Nerd 2: "Shut up! Shhhh, you don't want them to do a Haruhi to insert series here do you? Just be happy they're animating this at all."

Anime nerds shudder.

In short, to echo some of the sentiment I'm seeing around here, one of the few ways this makes logical sense is if one goes into it with the assumption that the production committee truly hates the fanbase.

[kirameki no kajin]

I'll just be happy when all this is over. I'm just going to pray for the best. Everything's gonna be fine~
-ten seconds later-
WAIT. It's not over YET?
...
This has got to be a bad dream or something...I mean, using almost all the same stock footage and continuing this SEVEN TIMES?
I mean, I would have enjoyed this if they made it different each time, but they've wasted seven episodes where they could have done something else, something different, ALONG WITH THE LIGHT NOVELS.
But, no. They just have to screw with us, don't they?
KyoAni, I'm ashamed of you.
And to think Lucky Star didn't get a second season, but this ridiculous crap is able to be continued into OBLIVION.
I know SHNY has always bent the rules and went against the grain, but this is quite enough.
And to think I waited with bated breath for this episode. Pfft. I'm done.

[Scy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSg02Ll20s&feature=related

I am sure this has been posted before, but

:frustrated:

[yeahreally]

I've figured out their evil plan.

In short, to echo some of the sentiment I'm seeing around here, one of the few ways this makes logical sense is if one goes into it with the assumption that the production committee truly hates the fanbase.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Having worked under some messed up management before, I can easily believe that stupidity combined with vast amounts of hubris led the production committee in charge of Haruhi to think that this was a good idea. I just hope they end it next episode and aren't thinking they can actually make 12 episodes of this tripe.

[Launch]

I'm loving this arc, mainly because of the suspense it creates. (Some episodes more-so than others). I find them entertaining, as long as you don't spoil it for yourself by skipping/keeping one eye on how much time is left.
This episode wasn't my favourite, but I still enjoyed it. The animation used in the final cafe scene was really cool. Kyon's 2 scenes waking up in his bed were hilarious as well. xD

I suppose next week will be the last E8 episode, though I was hoping that they wouldn't be so literal with the title.

[fish eric]

This episode was pretty boring. It makes it really hard for me to stand up and say I like this loop against all the haters. I really don't have much of an argument this episode.

Last couple episodes were pretty cool, but a minute of looking at Koizumi's wrist was boring.

[ReneeBurossamu]

/skips to end of episode

...

/notices that the loop is still intact
/deletes episode

Haha, I laughed.

I can totally imagine Kyon doing the "I RABU YUU" thing to Haruhi, but not having as great an American "accent" as Koizumi and awkwardness occurring. That'd be hilarious.

[Hypernova]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Having worked under some messed up management before, I can easily believe that stupidity combined with vast amounts of hubris led the production committee in charge of Haruhi to think that this was a good idea. I just hope they end it next episode and aren't thinking they can actually make 12 episodes of this tripe.

I hope they go all the way, I am long past the train wreck point where the fan's anguish is more interesting than the show itself. And with it the age old question will finally answered with the DVD sales: Just how gullible are the Japanese Otakus?

[AbSoLuTeMiKe]

I want eat Kyoani with salt, pepper and ketchup right now

this is getting out of hand. EE shouldn't it end on the 8?

Like I thought this ep would be the last, w/e happens at the end would move the story along.

I'm reading the light novels now. I'm at 2.3? where is where I'm at to where the loops are. For those who know the novels. I'm at the part where they are making a movie.

[Heminga13]

I think they only people that might like Endless Eight are the ones that enjoy re-watching/reading/etc things. I know for me, this is like re-watching something but each time it's slightly different to change it up a bit. It's a little nicer than watching the exact same thing over and over.

Would I rather move on? Yes.
Will I buy the DVDs? Maybe, depends on what happens with an R1 release.
Do I hate Endless Eight? Not really.

[kirameki no kajin]

What if they decide to strectch it out...and end it on August 31st?
-gags/cringes at the thought of this-
I don't think the production committee hates Haruhi's fanbase. Merely, I think that they thought it was a good idea, but in the end it wasn't.
Television people make mistakes like these all the time. Anyone know of the Sopranos?In the series finale, the ending cut off mid-sentence. I and many of my online friends were upset. Other people on those forums, which were many were upset as well.
It was just a super hyped idea that got REALLY out of hand, and WILL end next episode as god as my witness.

[GMT]

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Having worked under some messed up management before, I can easily believe that stupidity combined with vast amounts of hubris led the production committee in charge of Haruhi to think that this was a good idea. I just hope they end it next episode and aren't thinking they can actually make 12 episodes of this tripe.
The only other logical explanation is that the management of KyoAni and Kadokawa have been taken over by time-travelling Papal ninjas, determined to scrub the heresy that is the Church of Haruhiism from the face of the cosmos, and have decided to do so in Haruhiism's vulnerable infancy.

That, or the Japanese have created an environmentally friendly power source fueled by the NERD RAGE of anguished Haruhi fans.

[kirameki no kajin]

The management of KyoAni and Kadokawa have been taken over by time-travelling Papal ninjas, determined to scrub the heresy that is the Church of Haruhiism from the face of the cosmos, and have decided to do so in Haruhiism's vulnerable infancy.

I vote this reasoning.

[chikorita157]

Forgot to tell my vote... This episode gets a 1/10 and this episode is a complete waste of a good episode and is a trainwreck like the other Endless Eight episodes... Endless Eight should of ended a long time ago...

Hope Endless Eight finally ends next week or we in for more HARUHI RAGE.

[Dr. Casey]

Alright, done watching the episode.

- It's not surprising that Kyon doesn't care about the game very much. I wouldn't either if my TV's picture quality was so bad that it's just a glowing white screen.

- Kyon's growling and yelling from 13:37 through 13:40 is the funniest thing in Haruhi. Seriously, Kyon, what the fuck. :heh:

- Yuki's expression from 18:55 through 18:58 is interesting. That might be the most deathly we've seen her yet, and she almost looks as though her feelings are hurt whenever Kyon raises a hand and tells her to STFU.

- The art and locations once again seem a bit more varied this time around than they were from Endless Eight 2-5, but unlike EE6, this version changed up the dialogue to a decent extent as well.

- The opening scene and cafe segment make Endless Eight 4 look downright cheerful in comparison, and Kyon's deja vu spells are suddenly much stronger and more common than ever before (He cites a whole two lines of dialogue along with Haruhi word-for-word at the swimming pool). This is the sort of thing I enjoy about the arc, and my main failing with Endless Eight as a whole - the emotional progression is unclear and inconsistent. One episode Yuki seems horribly depressed, the next she's relatively normal. One episode Kyon is tired, the next he's a lot more fresh. One episode the mood is somber and dark, the next it's light and normal. If the whole story was a slow descent into madness with Kyon becoming more tired and increasingly deja vu prone, Yuki more depressed, the mood more grim, and things more twisted in general, I'd be having a lot of fun with these episodes. As it is, though, it's just vague signs of progression generally followed by a return to normalcy with the next episode.

That's logical, I guess, since everyone's memories are reset, and people do have temporary rebounds and aren't at constant emotional lows (In regards to Yuki being more content in 5 and 6 than she was in 4), but it's just kind of stale for me without the drama. Endless Eight isn't over yet, though, and there were some interesting things to happen in this one, so maybe Endless Eight 8 will be a worthwhile episode (Or, God forbid, 9-12).

[Rakshasa]

Rage nerds, Rage!

I'm impressed how it makes me _feel_, even if just to a small degree, what they must feel as they go through the loop again and again.

[resoLv777]

Haha, looks like my prediction was correct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy2b0RHArCg
=.=;

[Heminga13]

Alright, done watching the episode.
- Kyon's growling and yelling from 13:37 through 13:40 is the funniest thing in Haruhi. Seriously, Kyon, what the fuck. :heh:


Yeah, I lol'd hard at that part. Not what I expected to happen.

[dnab]

Going back a few pages (this thread grows fast) it might actually NOT be a bad financial idea to buy these limited edition E8 DVD's, especially at the low point of the series' popularity. It has nothing to do with liking E8 loops or not, but believing in the fundamental entertainment value of the franchise in the long haul. Sure they will reprint these "limited" disks, sure Kadokawa deserves to suffer, and sure there will be plenty of hires subs floating a infinitum. But if this is purely about speculating a possible collectable item (like baseball cards) of a highly desirable (not right not, but in the long haul) franchise, buy it while they're cheap.

If you're buying, make sure you say how much you hate this thing in public, and buy it secretly. Less buyers now means more profits in the future.

[RAD_ED]

Forgot to tell my vote... This episode gets a 1/10 and this episode is a complete waste of a good episode and is a trainwreck like the other Endless Eight episodes... Endless Eight should of ended a long time ago...

Hope Endless Eight finally ends next week or we in for more HARUHI RAGE.

It wont end next week it will just be another loop.

[Roger Rambo]

I'm somewhat dubious over any potential collectors value...