Licensed Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie [Archive]

Beruko08

2009-08-02, 06:45

this is going to be a joyride if they do an adaption on one of the other routes from the VN. or heck, even the prequel to fate/stay night. can you imagine how awesome that would be? but here is to hoping they don't hire the same people who did the episodes for the TV series. everything was just a mess on trying to combine all three routes into one with some scenes here and there.
If that's a prequel then the movie should be named Fate/Zero instead.

btw, does anyone know what the icon "for mobile" in the left down corner means?

iceyfw

2009-08-02, 06:55

If that's a prequel then the movie should be named Fate/Zero instead.
a fan can only dream...

patnam

2009-08-02, 07:28

I think this movie will focus on more battles, more bloods and of course... the UBW showdown!!!

sanjuro

2009-08-02, 07:58

There is no way they could do a decent job of presenting the UBW route with a single movie...

Well, this is getting even more hopeful, but they could go the Kara no Kyoukai route and make it a movie series.

ac195

2009-08-02, 08:23

Well, this is getting even more hopeful, but they could go the Kara no Kyoukai route and make it a movie series.

Or it could be just a compilation of old scenes with some new material here and there...

willyvereb

2009-08-02, 08:51

There's many possibilites for the movie:
A.)UBW one which the mayority believes.
B.)Heavens Feel(If we neglect the background pic)
C.)anime-original story, including the mixture of the route.(for example a HF-UBW mix, instead of the Fate-UBW mix in the TV series)
D.)Archer's route. A story telling us how did the Holy Grail War happen in his world.

I really hope it'll be a HF one. Because this is the only route didn't shown outside of the game. Fate has most of the anime. UBW has a whole manga, but HF has nothing(That "Dark sakura" scene in the anime was a mayor dissapointment). I know, HF's going to be depressing and angsty, but that's why it would be good. It's a nice change compared to the lighter aura of the other two stories.

kenjiharima

2009-08-02, 09:24

If something gets stick up Saber's behind...we all know what will be the movie would go too.

Or probably it'll be an original.

Shiroth

2009-08-02, 09:47

I wouldn't mind an Ataraxia film. :p

orion

2009-08-02, 09:48

Hoping for UBW.

OceanBlue

2009-08-02, 11:01

If that's a prequel then the movie should be named Fate/Zero instead.

btw, does anyone know what the icon "for mobile" in the left down corner means?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code

orangejuicetang

2009-08-02, 12:03

I thought that they might make three movies, a fate movie, than a ubw movie, and finally later, a heaven's feel movie. Although I'm looking forward to the ubw movie the most if that happens.

GuidoHunter_Toki

2009-08-02, 12:10

I'm hoping for a UBW, heck any route would be acceptable. I just don't have high hopes that they'd be able to do a quality adaption within movie length constraints.

Reckoner

2009-08-02, 12:34

UBW was my favorite route, though HF is a close second. If they just choose to reanimate Fate I would get pissed. I've always felt Fate was the weakest arc.

Besides the awesome fights and great display of GAR, I also like UBW because Shirou ends up with Rin, so I guess I a little biased.

According to the game though, HF is the true ending of Fate Stay Night....

willyvereb

2009-08-02, 12:44

(sorrily, for Sakura-chan) No. All of them(Fate, UBW, HF, Hollow Antarxia, Archer's, Illya's dropped one) are somewhat equally cannon. All of them are paralell words. Like in UBW Shirou 's training were more successfull than in Fate or HF. Or Shirou's feelings regarding Sakura in HF. They're happenings before the start of the story, so there's no way for them happening because of your actions in the game.
Anyways, I thought HF was the most rational one. Especially the finale.

mAc Chaos

2009-08-02, 13:10

I always thought Fate was the best arc. I haven't gotten to HF though. But it feels like a lot of the fleshing out they do in the other routes are only possible because they've already established the world like they do in the Fate arc.

willyvereb

2009-08-02, 13:40

Interesting, but this isn't the game discussion thread. I think we should continue the discussion(if you want to) in the Game thread or the general discussion.
Anyways, HF is the most serious of the 3 routes with a more maturely acting Shirou. And the creators designed the game that way to every new route builds on the previous one. So they're leaving out detailed developments and explanations already included in the previous routes and they only imply or briefly mention them. So if you have the game then try HF out too. I think HF is a route advisedn to finish twice because you start to see things differently and notice things after you know some details.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-02, 15:15

(sorrily, for Sakura-chan) No. All of them(Fate, UBW, HF, Hollow Antarxia, Archer's, Illya's dropped one) are somewhat equally cannon.

The game does treat HF like the True End though, since it really does build on, well, everything before it.

I'd vastly prefer an HF movie to an UBW movie, but considering how popular UBW is I think that's what we'll be getting.

aldw

2009-08-02, 20:13

The game does treat HF like the True End though, since it really does build on, well, everything before it.

I'd vastly prefer an HF movie to an UBW movie, but considering how popular UBW is I think that's what we'll be getting.

That's been argued in the Game section ad nauseum, not to mention other sites, so there's more than one take on the story at any rate. As for the film, HF is too long for anything less than an OVA series, so I doubt that's the case. UBW would fit better in that aspect.

King Lycan

2009-08-02, 20:27

Dammint
Why can't it be a series !!!!

Lio

2009-08-02, 21:30

^ Two Fate anime seems a bit much. Because the Fate anime was a mix of all three routes, doing another series could get messy.

I'd vastly prefer an HF movie to an UBW movie, but considering how popular UBW is I think that's what we'll be getting.

Yeah, I prefer HF. That's what did it for me. I'm afraid it's too heavy for a movie though. And besides, everyone wants UBW for some reason. Bah.

I can't wait to see it.

Reckoner

2009-08-02, 23:32

That's been argued in the Game section ad nauseum, not to mention other sites, so there's more than one take on the story at any rate. As for the film, HF is too long for anything less than an OVA series, so I doubt that's the case. UBW would fit better in that aspect.

I don't think it's much of an argument when Taiga herself says it in the game. You could argue which one you feel truly fits as the main story... But that's about it...

Anyways, like others are saying, HF is most likely too heavy to actually adapt into a movie. UBW is the likely choice if they do indeed stray away from the Fate route (Which they should since it is utterly retarded to reanimate the series in a movie and could turn into a RaXehponFAIL).

GuidoHunter_Toki

2009-08-03, 00:29

Anyways, like others are saying, HF is most likely too heavy to actually adapt into a movie. UBW is the likely choice if they do indeed stray away from the Fate route (Which they should since it is utterly retarded to reanimate the series in a movie and could turn into a RaXehponFAIL).

For adaptation sake I hope its UBW. As most have said HF is probably a bit too much for a good movie.

I'm sure most would care to see all the routes animated at some point. UBW can take the movie format, and then it'd be nice to have another anime (an OVA maybe) for the HF route.

Solafighter

2009-08-03, 06:32

Fate Stay Night movie?

Uuuuuh, cant wait. :cool:

Flinch

2009-08-03, 11:08

It sounds like a good idea, but basing it soley on one path will dishearten some of the fans. Personally, I won't watch it if it's Heaven's Feel. My reasoning is very simple- it's not a legitimate Grail War (read Fate/Zero for a better idea of one should be like). Not only that, it deviates so far from the others, it could be considered non-canon. And most of all, it seems the least believable and plausible of the 3 scenarios.

I could go on, but I'd rather not. It'll probably end up as UBW, but I do wish they'd revive the Ilya path; which will definitely go over well in the box office.

"Wait, the main relationship in the movie is between a guy and his older sister?"
"Well, he was adopted into the family, so it's technically not incest."
"You try explaining that to everyone; see how far it gets you."

willyvereb

2009-08-03, 11:32

What? How's HF illegitimate? Because of the two lesser grails? Sure...Zouken did it that way. It really deviates from the others, but that's why it's interesting. You know that all 3 stories are actually 3 different worlds right? The happenings are similar, but many things occured differently. And if anything Fate/zero confirms the validity of HF.
Even if HF full of extreme things they're at least explained or plausible. While in UBW it's full of occurences somehow impossible with the previously set down 'rules'.
like:
-Shirou suddenly tracing the copy of Archers' swords. He knew nothing about the effectiveness of his projection and he didn't have the time to concentrate enough. Still, he managed it.
-Berserker breaking out of Enkidou. Even a God can't pull it off, but he manages it.again a "hero move" or "beating the impossible" meme.
-Archer staying in the world while he was exhausted by the fights, previously skewered by Gil and he even used projection. doubious again.
-The whole Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight. Even if Shirou copies the knowledge of the original users, his muscles can't be as hard as a Servants, nor his movements. Gilgamesh could defeat him easily even if he keeps up his arrogance. Perrhaps maybe the Fate Gil and the UBW Gil is different in power and skill too. But still dubious.
And even if yes, hardly can the other routes compare to the emotional content of the last route.

P.S.: Congratulations for your first post on another thread! As an extra I heard there's a wild guess the Illya route actually the route EMIYA took.

Reckoner

2009-08-03, 13:11

like:
-Shirou suddenly tracing the copy of Archers' swords. He knew nothing about the effectiveness of his projection and he didn't have the time to concentrate enough. Still, he managed it.
-Berserker breaking out of Enkidou. Even a God can't pull it off, but he manages it.again a "hero move" or "beating the impossible" meme.
-Archer staying in the world while he was exhausted by the fights, previously skewered by Gil and he even used projection. doubious again.
-The whole Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight. Even if Shirou copies the knowledge of the original users, his muscles can't be as hard as a Servants, nor his movements. Gilgamesh could defeat him easily even if he keeps up his arrogance. Perrhaps maybe the Fate Gil and the UBW Gil is different in power and skill too. But still dubious.
And even if yes, hardly can the other routes compare to the emotional content of the last route.

Fate/Stay Night in general is a preposterous concept. It is there to be enjoyed, not over analyzed.

Flinch

2009-08-03, 13:42

Your sarcasm is appreciated, willy. Oh, and I purchased an actual Thompson Contender; those things are god-like with accuracy and firepower.

willyvereb

2009-08-03, 14:02

Thanks!:p(It's such a good thing being seperated by hundreads of kilometers or more...)
I know I was a little bit evil. Sorry, if I went far with it.
And I don't overanalyse things or if it is then I do it by default. It was plain obvious to me as it happened. And I was a little bit angry about it because Nasu's good at seriousness.
Back to the topic: Anything is good for me if they do it right. Watching Archer fight would be quite a spectacle so I don't mind anything. To be honest, even watching a Saber vs Gil fight again would be good if they do it in the same quality as KnK.

Flinch

2009-08-03, 14:10

Don't worry yourself, it's natural for some people to get angry. And the main reason of why I found HF to be so impractical was because simply walking Sakura home changes EVERYTHING. Since when does walking a girl home turn her into a dark evil entity? And I want mah damn Ilya path -.-

PS
The Thompson Contender uses the same rounds as a Springfield Sniper Rifle, the .30-06 rounds. In addition, the gun's maximum effective range is about 500 meters, 10 times greater than almost any other pistol (few even excel at 50 meters). It's also more accurate than an M-16 Assault Rifle at 100 yards, which is terrifyingly scary.

willyvereb

2009-08-03, 14:40

Answer
She was extremely dependant on Shirou but she was always ready to give up on him. Because she stayed with Shirou more and more she formed her first selfish desire in her lifetime(wanting him). Well, partially AM's influence(she has extreme compatibility with it) and the being the Holy Grail(as she continiusly filled with the dying Heroic Spirits' souls instead of Illya.). So because of the mental, physical and emotional strain she slowly started to lose control. But without anything drastic it shouldn't be possible for her to turn dark. Like Shirou betraying her or either him or Shinji dying.

But it's more appropiate in the game thread.

Well, who thinks it's going to be an anime-original instead of a shortened version of either route?

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-03, 16:21

Well, who thinks it's going to be an anime-original instead of a shortened version of either route?

It'll be UBW, without a doubt. It's the most popular route, unfortunately.

swtrooper42

2009-08-03, 20:14

UBW is my favorite route, but I also like the other routes and feel they are equally deserving of an adaption.

Although I would like to see a HF adaption most of all just to see if it can be pulled off successfully.

Beruko08

2009-08-03, 20:42

If they're just going with all about UBW then it's good, I just don't like the combine 3-routes idea in the old series and hope that we won't see a lame dark Sakura appeared in UBW.

orangejuicetang

2009-08-03, 23:21

It'll be UBW, without a doubt. It's the most popular route, unfortunately.

... unfortunately? That kind of hurts, as a UBW fan.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-04, 05:12

... unfortunately? That kind of hurts, as a UBW fan.

Apologies. :p

I just feel HF doesn't get enough love on the internet, as a route.

bergsdal

2009-08-04, 07:31

do any now when the movie is coming out ?

RadiantBeam

2009-08-04, 09:33

I can only imagine UBW getting the movie treatment, since even in the manga adaptation it hasn't been solely UBW but a mixture of other routes.

HF would only really work as an OVA, in my opinion, but that's just me.

Reckoner

2009-08-04, 12:44

Apologies. :p

I just feel HF doesn't get enough love on the internet, as a route.

People keep saying this, but I've seen polls on the Internet where basically the preference of each route to people averages around 1/3.

I really think it depends on the personality of the viewer, and a little bit of which of the three girls they like.

For example...

In Fate Shirou is by far the most idealistic.
In UBW Shirou is perhaps still idealistic, but he has a sense of reality.
In HF, Shirou becomes far more realistic about his goals, and loses a lot of his idealism.

This alone can determine which route the person will like the best. Yes the story factors into it, but it is not a huge deal.

willyvereb

2009-08-04, 13:25

But it's funny while HF's story is the most real and lacks most of the "hero cliches" it's setting the most surreal.
Well, I really hope they're making the movie with the same quality as KnK(or better).
Just imagine excalibur's or Ea's blast with appropiate collateral damage. Or Gilgamesh's rain of noble phantasms with the real impact(so not as some kind of machinegun like in the anime...more like carpet bombing). Seeing a rampaging dark berserker could be "nice" too. Not to mention "Unlimited Eyecandy Works"(UBW, but with much more graphic detail).

Flinch

2009-08-04, 13:43

RadiantBeam

2009-08-04, 13:51

Same here. To be honest, Fate is my favorite of the routes. I don't like HF, but for some reason I'm oddly neutral on Sakura.

Still, for a movie, I see UBW being done. They already tackled Fate in the anime, so if they're interested in making OVAs for the series they still have HF or Fate/Zero.

Flinch

2009-08-04, 14:19

I'd rather have Fate/Zero for a movie than any other.

willyvereb

2009-08-04, 14:21

I still don't understand a few things about Gilgamesh. For one, armor. THERE WAS NO ARMOR when he was the 5th king of the world (Gilgamesh, Fifth King of Uruk). Secondly, Ea was the god (or goddess, I'm not very good with my Mesopotamian gods/goddesses) of wisdom, not a weapon. Third, Enkindu was his best friend, not some set of chains. And the very obvious thing (which also bothers me about Saber as well) is the blond hair; it should have been a dark, dirty brown that was incredibly unruly.

You should all read the Epic of Gilgamesh, it's a good read.

Sorry for digressing, but I agree with Reckoner. I'm an idealist at heart, and I don't like Sakura- maybe that's why I don't like HF.

What do you expect after a beutiful blonde girl as King arthur? Of course he looks different and his story is different.
Anyways some explanation. Gilgamesh's gold armor is just one of his treasures from the lot like Caldaborg or Gae Bolg. I don't think the chain originally has that name(it's name maybe was like Heavens Bind or something simle) of Enkidu. Gilgamesh probably named it after Enkidu's death. Or maybe he sacraficed Enkidou to make the chain:p.
And last EA. It's an alien weapon or something like that. It created long before humanity's birth and nor the methods or the materials making up the weapon are imaginable to the humans. So it's natural it doesn't have a name(at least something a human could call out). Gilgamesh named it after that god, like he probably did with the chains.
Somone hates Sakura? Zetsubosaaa!
But back to seriousness I disliked UBW Shirou because of his quick and somehow irreasonable powerups. I can even draw paralells between him and Ichigo Kurosaki.
If it wouldn't be obviously without a chance I would hope for a Fate/Zero movie. They could make it in 2 parts to include everything that important.

GuidoHunter_Toki

2009-08-04, 14:22

I still don't understand a few things about Gilgamesh. For one, armor. THERE WAS NO ARMOR when he was the 5th king of the world (Gilgamesh, Fifth King of Uruk). Secondly, Ea was the god (or goddess, I'm not very good with my Mesopotamian gods/goddesses) of wisdom, not a weapon. Third, Enkindu was his best friend, not some set of chains. And the very obvious thing (which also bothers me about Saber as well) is the blond hair; it should have been a dark, dirty brown that was incredibly unruly.

Well its not like they got everything spot on with the servants and their hero counterparts. You have to remember this is just an adaption, not a recreation of thos heroes and their stories. I mean for crying out loud King Arthur is a girl.

Most every servant has definite differences in looks compared to the actual heroes of legend. Medea didn't have purple hair and pointy ears like Caster does in the anime. Besides looks there are differences in even the weapons used by the servants. For example, the Gae Bulg. It abilities in the show are quite different than it's abilities told in Irish Myths. It is described in one version of the legend that it entered a mans body and opened into thirty barbs and that it could only be released by cutting the flesh away. In another version the spear had seven heads along with seven barbs on each head.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-04, 14:50

People keep saying this, but I've seen polls on the Internet where basically the preference of each route to people averages around 1/3.

Not on any forum I've been to, I'll tell you that.

Christ, the GameFAQs forums... bunch of twats.

I still don't understand a few things about Gilgamesh. For one, armor. THERE WAS NO ARMOR when he was the 5th king of the world (Gilgamesh, Fifth King of Uruk). Secondly, Ea was the god (or goddess, I'm not very good with my Mesopotamian gods/goddesses) of wisdom, not a weapon. Third, Enkindu was his best friend, not some set of chains. And the very obvious thing (which also bothers me about Saber as well) is the blond hair; it should have been a dark, dirty brown that was incredibly unruly.

You're complaining about historical accuracy in a visual novel that heavily involves magic?

Sorry for digressing, but I agree with Reckoner. I'm an idealist at heart, and I don't like Sakura- maybe that's why I don't like HF.

I don't like Sakura either and HF is my favorite route.

I liked it for everything else.

I'd rather have Fate/Zero for a movie than any other.

Yeah, me too, actually. 'Twould be awesome.

Flinch

2009-08-04, 16:34

I wonder if they'd have to CG Iskander if they do F/Z; he's pretty big. Also, F/Z would be easier because it would have a clearly defined protagonist, Kiritsugu, and a clearly defined antagonist, Kotomine. Under that logic, it'd be the most likely to have a movie.

bergsdal

2009-08-04, 16:58

can somebody tell me Whats the name of all routes ? :D

willyvereb

2009-08-04, 16:59

Lol...It especially hasn't got a clearly defined protegonist. The novel tells the story from various people's perspective with 3rd person's PoV. In FSN we've got a story from a single person's perspective with his point of view. And every route of FSN has an antagonist.
Anyways Kotomine deserves the title of one of the best designed antagonist. A badass cunning priest with strange personality.

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-04, 17:30

Have been dreaming of a Fate movie since forever, and it would not be an overstatement to say that a part of my life would be fulfilled if the said movie is indeed based on UBW. Fate/Zero would also be awesomeness on so many levels but it's highly unlikely seeing that the website is called "fatestaynight.jp"

@bergsdal
The three routes in F/SN are the Fate route, Unlimited Blade Works route, and Heaven's Feel route.

orangejuicetang

2009-08-04, 17:57

Maybe we'll get a f/z movie sometime in the future. Any ideas on which studio's going to be animating this? Ufotable would be good seeing what they've done with kara no kyoukai.

bergsdal

2009-08-04, 18:32

have they make Unlimited Blade Works route, and Heaven's Feel route to series to? :confused:

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-04, 18:48

orangejuicetang

2009-08-04, 20:17

does anyone know what ufotable is working on after kara no kyoukai? Or who's producing the Canaan movie?

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-05, 02:05

I am hoping for an adaption for each story arc done in a similar manner as the kara no kyoukai movies, in my opinion thats the best way to look at fate; at its whole instead of the individual arcs. The arcs are each awesome on they're own but you don't see the full picture until you've gone through all the arcs, and that's where fate shines. Cause the more you see of this world/universe the more awesome it gets

fate doesn't really go into any detail about the chain other than its what he and enkidu used to bind the holy bull, i would assume he named it after enkidu in memory of him. his armor i would assume like most anime/games is purely ascetic just like sabers. enuma elish was actually the text that described the creation myth. Ea is one of the gods who fathered Marduk an even more powerful god who eventually became the king of the gods.

Fate makes a lot of tweaks with all the heroes myths, Gilgamesh doesn't have anything other than the chain that can act as a noble phantasm thus i would assume the creators gave him gate of babylon logically based on his wealth and the fact that at the time the lands that he ruled where considered to be the world (many ancients civilizations believed that there was hardly anything beyond their borders and that they where the world or atleast the center of it) and enuma elish was made a sword purely because he needed a weapon unique to him for his fight with saber and to essentially solidify how over powered he is( i mean he's wielding a sword that fucking split the earth from the heavens) though that's just my thoughts it may be completely different, i'm not the creator of the game.

willyvereb

2009-08-05, 02:59

@orangejuicetang
Ufotable is too good to be true, but I'm just hoping for anybody other than DEEN right now.

@bergsdal
The F/SN anime was mainly Fate, with some elements of UBW(Archer using UBW) and HF(Dark Sakura). The manga is said to be UBW, but I've been following the manga, and it's so slow that 5 volumes later we are still dealing with Shinji and Rider.

Don't mention that Dark sakura. That was more like a joke. With a real Dark Sakura Gilgamesh would be only mid-boss.:p

It seems the manga is really including every scene of the UBW then:p

Q:Which character do you want to see animated(and his/her actions) in the same quality as KnK the most?

AzoLto

2009-08-05, 09:13

Q:Which character do you want to see animated(and his/her actions) in the same quality as KnK the most?

Gilgamesh ripping Ilya's heart out in UBW.:heh:

Honestly speaking though, I'd like to see Archer's Rho Aias when Lancer throws his Gae Bolg at him.

I haven't read Heaven's Feel (yet) so I don't know of any moments I'd like to see animated from that route.

willyvereb

2009-08-05, 09:36

Well, for suggestions when "Kirei does his work as Executor".:p
It showed that anyone other than Shinji born as GAR in FSN:)
Well Archer vs lancer scene was really nice, but I think then that scene was really nice too.
When dark saber and Rider does a contest of Noble Phantasms(with Saber alter's Excalibur and Rider's Belleropon[laser beam vs shooting star:p])
But HF don't have really spectaculary looking fights. The fights were enjoyable enough even reading them.
Perhaps it has some spectacular scenes, like the 'Nine Bullet Revolver' scene or the ones I previously mentioned, but the content was more important than the visuals.

orangejuicetang

2009-08-05, 20:47

Q:Which character do you want to see animated(and his/her actions) in the same quality as KnK the most?

The fights are one, but personally, I'm hoping they do the dream sequences of the servants. Like Shiro seeing Saber's past, Rin seeing Archer's, or even Waver seeing Alexander's life in fate/zero, if they do on the off-chance decide to go that route.

Flinch

2009-08-05, 21:38

I stand by the fact that Fate/Zero would be better for a movie for a few reasons. Kritsugu would be readily identifiable as a primary protagonist because he wants to save many lives by taking a few; Kariya would also because he's willing to sacrifice everything to save Sakura. No one else really has the same noble intentions as they do, which would make them protagonists. Ryuunosuke, Kotomine, and Tokiomi would be deemed as antagonists because Ryuunosuke is a murderer, Kotomine specifically wants to kill Kiritsugu, and Tokiomi gave his own daughter away. With that in mind, it makes more sense to make the movie after Fate/Zero than any of the paths in F/SN.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-05, 21:57

...Kiritsugu is nowhere near being a hero. He's an extremist to a ridiculous extent.

Sure he has noble intentions, but the man is a fucking murderer.

Flinch

2009-08-05, 22:07

orangejuicetang

2009-08-05, 22:31

eh, I would say that character wise, they both act more like anti-heroes than heroes. Although I can see why some people would call them heroes. It all really depends on what you define a hero as. Do you define a hero by what they accomplish, what they do to accomplish it, the reason they do it, their personality, or by a combination of the above?

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-05, 23:10

Kiritsugu and Archer are exactly the same when it comes down to how they went about doing saving lives, yet you would say that neither of them are heroes? I think you need to scrutinize your point a bit more.

...How is Archer a hero? As I recall, he doesn't consider himself a hero.

eh, I would say that character wise, they both act more like anti-heroes than heroes. Although I can see why some people would call them heroes. It all really depends on what you define a hero as. Do you define a hero by what they accomplish, what they do to accomplish it, the reason they do it, their personality, or by a combination of the above?

I don't know how I'd define a hero, but I definitely wouldn't call a person who sends out his Servant to draw attention from Masters, and then shoots said Masters in the head with a sniper rifle from several hundred yards away a "hero".

Heroes are supposed to fight FAIR. :heh:

But I digress. We all know it's going to be UBW anyway, just by looking at the preview image.

willyvereb

2009-08-05, 23:15

And Kariya is more pitifull than heroic. She suffers much and he even unsuccessfulin the end he's hurting the one he loves. If you watch him without knowing his original cause of joining the war you see him more like a villian(well, it's somewhat true to Kirigisu too)
I think neither of them is a better hero than Shirou. It's just forcing it. But perhaps watching a F/Z movie would be quite good. And it would solve the route debate.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-05, 23:39

[/QUOTE].How is Archer a hero? As I recall, he doesn't consider himself a hero.

I don't know how I'd define a hero, but I definitely wouldn't call a person who sends out his Servant to draw attention from Masters, and then shoots said Masters in the head with a sniper rifle from several hundred yards away a "hero".

Heroes are supposed to fight FAIR. :heh:

But I digress. We all know it's going to be UBW anyway, just by looking at the preview image.[/QUOTE]
Archer views himself as a failure, because he's not able to maintain his ideals and has to face the reality that he can't save everyone. He wants to and tries to but can't. Plus he's lost several people that he holds dear as well as the fact that as a counter guardian that's what he does he eliminates the issue to prevent further damage. He's a hero because he tries so hard to save everyone and does the best he can. That's all any hero can ever do and to blame them and expect them to do anything more than they can is wrong

define fair

and we have no clue how the movie is gonna go, for all we know they could be making an entirely new arc. hell they could even be doing hollow atraxia assuming its Unlimited blade Works purely because of the background for a website, that merely states movie coming, is the reality marble is retarded. hell you even see archer walking through it in the intro movie for the stay/night arc. at this point in time its all assumption and personal preference nothing is set in stone until they announce it

orangejuicetang

2009-08-05, 23:42

...How is Archer a hero? As I recall, he doesn't consider himself a hero.
I actually thought about mentioning that in my post lol.

But yeah. It all depends on your point of view. After all, Gilgamesh is the "king of heroes", and, well, we all know how he is. Archer may not consider himself a hero, but other people might. Probably some of the people that Archer save might feel that he is a hero for saving their lives when they would have otherwised died. Okay, maybe not the one who used him as a scapegoat, but perhaps some of the others. And some of the people who he saved might also see him as a murderer. Perhaps he killed some innocent people in his effort to save more people, and there are a few who lost relatives or friends in that way due to him. Some people who see his ideal, (if he told them what it was that is), was a heroic one, while others would just laugh it as idealistic and naive, and yet others still might think it's both. In the end, it depends on the person.

i guess a simpler way to put it is if a hero is defined by what he accomplishes versus how he accomplishes it. Who would be the greater hero, the person who saves 100 people or the person who saved 200 people at the cost of 10.

And I wouldn't mind either a f/z or a ubw adaptation.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-06, 00:01

and we have no clue how the movie is gonna go, for all we know they could be making an entirely new arc. hell they could even be doing hollow atraxia assuming its Unlimited blade Works purely because of the background for a website, that merely states movie coming, is the reality marble is retarded. hell you even see archer walking through it in the intro movie for the stay/night arc. at this point in time its all assumption and personal preference nothing is set in stone until they announce it

You don't put up a preview image suggesting something and then not do just that. It's bad marketing.

But then again I've seen a lot of bad marketing recently.

i guess a simpler way to put it is if a hero is defined by what he accomplishes versus how he accomplishes it. Who would be the greater hero, the person who saves 100 people or the person who saved 200 people at the cost of 10.

The person who saves 200 people at the cost of no lives at all.

Heroes are supposed to do the next-to-impossible, not go "Oh well, for the greater good I'm going to murder all the dangerous people in the world."

Man, I hate "greater good". Talking like that is the first step down the evil path.

Suzuku

2009-08-06, 00:04

Looks like Newtype is saying that the movie is based on UBW Route and will air on January 23, 2010. (http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh419/dtshyk/fate.jpg)

Looks like we can all have a nice time waiting a 13 months for subs now. :D

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-06, 00:13

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1973/1249535118861.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/1249535118861.jpg/)

DEEN confirmed...
Then again, I am greatly satisfied with UBW alone.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-06, 00:15

The person who saves 200 people at the cost of no lives at all.

Heroes are supposed to do the next-to-impossible, not go "Oh well, for the greater good I'm going to murder all the dangerous people in the world."

Man, I hate "greater good". Talking like that is the first step down the evil path.

yes that's the ideal, keyword, reality is by far different. there are times where there is nothing else you can do. besides such things are relative

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-06, 00:30

yes that's the ideal, keyword, reality is by far different. there are times where there is nothing else you can do. besides such things are relative

No, Kiritsugu pretty much chose to become a professional mage-killer in order to "save people", as I recall.

There was plenty of other stuff he could have done. :heh:

DEEN confirmed...
Then again, I am greatly satisfied with UBW alone.

Huh, DEEN with a movie budget... wonder how they'll do.

willyvereb

2009-08-06, 00:46

Yeah it's certainly relative. Like if you kill 10 people to save 20 is certainly more suitable for an anti-hero, while choosing saving the 200 instead the 10 is something a hero still can do(just remember superman for example).
I think the Hero is someone who does good by doing things fairly, while an anti-hero takes up the mask of villian to help others.
In general Hero's someone that others consider as hero while an anti-hero is somone that others don't consider as a hero until he accomplishes his/her duty(or sometimes they still think about him/her as a villian).

ZODDGUTS

2009-08-06, 01:01

So it's DEEN again... well it may turn out decent like the TV series was... just decent.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-06, 01:02

i'm hoping they get the same voice actors

willyvereb

2009-08-06, 01:07

Still tousand times better than the non-existent Tsukihime anime...
So if we can take all that as a confirmation then how do you think it's going to start?
"In medias res"? So we skip out a great part and jump start to the scene just before the finale for Rider-Shinji? With that we only have 2 "arcs" The caster arc and the Gilgamesh-Archer arc.
If they finnish it in one (quite long) movie then my hopes about a HF animation remains...

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-06, 01:10

i would hope they broke it up a bit and that they started form the beginning since it changes rather quickly about when they fight berserker for the first time is the biggest change though the first change is when saber goes to attack archer

willyvereb

2009-08-06, 01:26

Oh, right...I forgot to include it.Well, you're right the berserker fight was intense. But they could shorten the whole Rider part into the the last scene. I need no "Shinji keikaku" or Shirou vs Rider scenes. They can even shorten the caster scenes to do a full focus on the Archer and Gilgamesh ones.

Aqua Knight

2009-08-06, 01:42

What's DEEN?
And it's great that it is UBW.
YAY!!!!

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-06, 01:45

With that we only have 2 "arcs" The caster arc and the Gilgamesh-Archer arc.

They won't do the Caster arc, the anime already covered most of that, if I recall correctly.

They'll probably find some other way for Archer to do what he does.

willyvereb

2009-08-06, 02:01

No they don't. They only included the Kozuki introduction and some of Caster's actions. But no real Rin vs Caster fight, Archer betrayal or "Rider murder".She certainly have many scenes.

@17th Warrior: DEEN is a studio for making the anime. They made the TV series, but their quality was fluctuating. That's why some pople is unstatisfied by their work.

Flinch

2009-08-06, 02:02

And if they take out the Caster arc, they'll kill the entire movie. If it weren't for the Caster Arc, Archer and Shiro wouldn't fight. I preferred Fate to the other routes, as I am an idealist; yet you give me a gun and tell me to kill 10 people to probably save 200 or to kill 20 to guarantee the lives of 200, I will kill 20 without any regrets or second thoughts. I come from a long line of warriors who would bring damnation on their souls for the safety of others.

Suzuku

2009-08-06, 02:13

willyvereb

2009-08-06, 03:50

Well, I hope for a single, but long movie because I want a HF one too!:p
Not to mention a F/Z OVA could be really good.
Or like:F/Z OVA-s then F/SN HF OVA-s as "continuation".
Anyways if they start a multi-part movie series from UBW I doubt we ever see anything from HF.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-06, 04:04

never know

AzoLto

2009-08-06, 06:03

Realta Nua? If I'm not wrong, the UBW movie will be based on the Realta Nua UBW route. I've never read that version, but aside from the bizarre ocean scenes acting as a substitute for the supremely hilarious h-scenes, anything new?..I was hoping Tohsaka would say some of those lines before the h-scenes.:heh:

Studio DEEN is slightly disappointing. Their works aren't impressive. Just decent. I'm probably not the only one who thinks ufotable would have been a much better alternative seeing as how spectacular the Rakkyo movies were.. I remember them cutting a lot of corners with the TV anime. Well, maybe they'll do better with a movie-sized budget?

I think a good place to start the movie would be just before Tohsaka, Shirou, and Saber leave the church. Kotomine can explain the Grail War (with flashbacks of Saber's summoning, etc) and ask Shirou whether he intends to fight or not. That way we can save some time and jump (almost) right into the thick of the plot.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-06, 14:03

They could definitely skip out on the actual sex and just cut to them in bed, afterward, which would be hilarious.

Flinch

2009-08-06, 16:06

Or maybe they'll throw in another CG dragon. THAT would be hilarious.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-06, 17:28

please no, spare me of such horror and humiliation

swtrooper42

2009-08-06, 21:35

Needs to have the UBW good end. Makes for better ending to a movie then the Rin "I'm gonna bring you to London with me" true ending.

capture

2009-08-06, 21:47

Or maybe they'll throw in another CG dragon. THAT would be hilarious.

Lol not this one again :heh:

Still hoping for a nice storyline and presentation though... :D

Flinch

2009-08-06, 22:26

And because you want it, it won't happen. That's how things work in life. And the true ending for UBW was better; it wasn't a slap in the face for the Fate fans.

swtrooper42

2009-08-06, 22:30

And how was the good ending a slap in the face to Fate?

sanjuro

2009-08-06, 22:38

Fate good ending? What alternate reality do you live in?

RadiantBeam

2009-08-06, 22:45

There wasn't a "good end" to Fate. I think Flinch is talking about the good end for UBW being a slap in the face to fans.

Flinch

2009-08-06, 23:55

Aye, that it was.

Reckoner

2009-08-07, 00:21

Needs to have the UBW good end. Makes for better ending to a movie then the Rin "I'm gonna bring you to London with me" true ending.

Hell no. True ending is waaaaaay better.

Anyways, I'm not so sure about studio DEEN... However, movie production values that will animate some of the fights in UBW? I don't think you guys realize how epic it will be regardless of the changes they make in it.

We already got the story in the visual novel, there is no way the animated movie can live up to it with such limited time. I see this movie as more of a treat to already existent FSN fans. I'm pumped.

swtrooper42

2009-08-07, 08:24

There wasn't a "good end" to Fate. I think Flinch is talking about the good end for UBW being a slap in the face to fans.
Aye, that it was.
And why do you think that?

AzoLto

2009-08-07, 08:45

I'm guessing it's because they think that it's rather depressing from Saber's standpoint. The Grail turned out to be something different from what she wanted, so she was unable to fulfill her wish. Not only that, she has no real purpose other than to find a new 'conclusion' to her own life by viewing the life of Shirou because she sees how Shirou is similar to her, but ended up following a different path.

It's a 'slap to the face' to fans of Fate (the route) because at the very end, Saber was proud of her life, and thus accepted the concluding result that she has lived a good life as King and did not regret anything. This is different to UBW Good where she couldn't fulfill her wishes, and was unable to arrive at the same conclusion she did in Fate (the route), thus losing her 'conclusion'. Saber was reduced to someone who's purpose in life was to find a purpose in life. At least that's what from what I understand..

Of course, as a Saber fan, I don't see any problem with UBW Good 'sunny day'. It's as close to a harem ending as Shirou can get.:heh:

Now Ilya on the other hand...

willyvereb

2009-08-07, 09:18

Well, Illya's fate the same in every ending. Even in Fate.
I think HF true ending is close to harem too. Shirou's strickly monogamic in that, but
he has 3 girls(perhaps including Sakura) in love with him and he often sees them(as opossed to the UBW Sakura).

Anyways I hope they make Gilgamesh's GoB much better. As I said from a machine gun fire to a carpet bombing.

kakakka

2009-08-07, 11:38

Well, Illya's fate the same in every ending. Even in Fate.
She died in UBW two ending and in HF True Ending. She lived in Fate ending and HF Normal Ending.

willyvereb

2009-08-07, 12:07

AzoLto

2009-08-07, 12:34

Put them in spoiler tags.
And spoiler for Illya's fate: Sadly, Illya's body only lasts for another year even in Fate and HF normal. She's a homunculus and she can't live as long as a normal human. That's why Archer can't save Illya in his world.

Also, it's been speculated that Archer came from the missing 'Ilyasviel route'.

Yes unfortunately she never really does live long. Which is why I wanted a good ending for her because she's had a rather rough life. I guess I can always hope for a F/SN remake with an Ilya route.

I do wonder what length this movie will be.. two hours long like Rakkyo 5?

willyvereb

2009-08-07, 12:55

I know that rumor. I even teased Flinch(Illya's first knight) with it. :)
Anyways, I hope they make the movie at least 3 hours long. Even if it's not HF UBW has quite nice action scenes and I'm looking forward to all of them.

kakakka

2009-08-07, 13:08

Put them in spoiler tags.
And spoiler for Illya's fate: Sadly, Illya's body only lasts for another year even in Fate and HF normal. She's a homunculus and she can't live as long as a normal human. That's why Archer can't save Illya in his world.

Well, you're talking about all of F S/N route's ends, so I'm not totally wrong.

You talk about sequel, which, I really don't know, so thanks for pointing it out.

Nosauz

2009-08-07, 13:11

droll, ive died and gone to heaven, eat it saber, eat it sakura, ubw is coming through pushing the fail train to the side. Hopefully they can catch the intensity, and the quirkiness of the relationship between rin and shiro, oh and no dragon please

Flinch

2009-08-07, 14:34

In all honesty the CG dragon was the FUNNIEST part of the anime, save for the complete reversal of the date with Saber. Sadly, Ilya's body was rushed towards the end to prepare her to become the grail, in turn shortening her life span even more than it normally would've been.

Just imagine how different everything would've been had Kiritsugu managed to get Ilya away from Acht. I think Kiritsugu, Ilya, and Shiro all would've lived a very happy life together.

kakakka

2009-08-07, 15:34

I thought the dragon was cool :(

RadiantBeam

2009-08-07, 19:07

I found the dragon to be entertaining... imagry. Ugly as hell, but entertaining nonetheless.

orangejuicetang

2009-08-07, 20:30

Since this is gonna be ubw, I'm looking forward to epic EMIYA music.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-08, 00:54

that is true, that is one of the most epic songs i know

Flinch

2009-08-08, 01:51

I much prefer Die Lorelei. It's a... interesting song to say the least. For those of you who don't know what it's about, look it up: it's fairly entertaining. It was used as Ilya's theme if you're not aware.

Mithfalath

2009-08-08, 02:46

I can't wait to watch this, whatever arc it may lead to. :)

Aqua Knight

2009-08-08, 05:20

Even if they repeat Fate?
And why do you think that DEEN will make a bad movie. Doesn't the fact that it's a film make overall animation etc. better??

Flinch

2009-08-08, 10:34

Live-Action would be interesting, to say the least.

RadiantBeam

2009-08-08, 14:01

Live-action would be very, very interesting.

bergsdal

2009-08-08, 14:10

how can i see UBW , HF ?

willyvereb

2009-08-08, 14:47

You mean UBW and HF routes? Fate Stay Night has a manga. It's the slightly altered version of the UBW route. Not to mention the anime has some parts from UBW(mainly on the Rider and Caster arcs).
But for certain? Play the FSN game. FSN was originally a Visual Novel made by Type Moon. In the case if you doesn't know what kind of game is it: It's an interactive story, with pictures(and some effects), sounds and perhaps biunch of text to read. In short an interactive novel with certain choices in various parts. The original game is Japanesse but thanks to Mirror Moon an english patch's downloadable for it. Currenly the HF part of the VN hasn't got an anime or even a manga yet.

Flinch

2009-08-08, 21:39

Because not enough people care about Worm-chan, apparently. Sorry, but she's just not as popular as her sister or Saber-chan.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-09, 03:02

HF isn't about Sakura, any more than UBW is about Rin. :heh: It's about the war, and the truth behind it.

It's more that HF is not the sort of story that sells well... and, for that matter, it's too dependent on the other two routes.

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 03:50

Well, I think HF is as much about Sakura as Fate about Saber.
And it's story itself would be rather interesting, but not because of the action scenes. HF needs lenght to show it's contents while UBW is mostly understandable through the action scenes and few dialouges.
And what's with that worm-chan, Flinch? I think you called thousands of her fans your enemies.:p

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-09, 03:51

...Sakura has fans?

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 04:07

Naturally...you know there's a VN out there and it has Saber, Rin and Sakura as main heroines. It's only natural for her to have fans. Not to mention she's included most of the non-VN FSN games too(either as "normal" or "dark" version). And in the "sequel" of the VN, Hollow Ataraxia she keeps that role too.
It's one thing that neither Fate or UBW mentions her much after the first few days. And perhaps the animes/mangas about those two stories don't have much mentions of her either. We can call it the surprise factor of her story to discover everything about her later, but it really don't help her popularity. But perhaps HF isn't only about her as Fate isn't only about Saber.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Fate/Zero Light Novel. She has a somewhat important role in it.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-09, 04:27

Sakura has no fans in the West and least of all on this forum. Maybe she's big back home in Japan, but most people I talk to online hate her guts.

Blade_Lord

2009-08-09, 05:39

-Shirou suddenly tracing the copy of Archers' swords. He knew nothing about the effectiveness of his projection and he didn't have the time to concentrate enough. Still, he managed it.
I thought it's because every time they met, Shirou unconsciously draw experience from Emiya who have perfected his projection skills.

The whole Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight. Even if Shirou copies the knowledge of the original users, his muscles can't be as hard as a Servants, nor his movements. Gilgamesh could defeat him easily even if he keeps up his arrogance. Perrhaps maybe the Fate Gil and the UBW Gil is different in power and skill too. But still dubious.
The sword move on it's own. Also, during the whole match, this is what Gilgamesh has in mind.

TRACING VIOLATES COPYRIGHT MONGREL!!!

He was damn proud of his treasure that what he tries to do during the whole fight is not to beat Shirou but beat the copies of his own treasures in Unlimited Blade Works.

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 05:58

Sakura has no fans in the West and least of all on this forum. Maybe she's big back home in Japan, but most people I talk to online hate her guts.

Amongst the VN readers outside japan the HF is the most popular...or so I heard. In japan is the UBW. And wordwide maybe equal.
And that explains why the movie has UBW as theme.
Anyways in my country a great part of the VN players are Sakura fans or the very least HF route's their favourite. I know it's a small country, but...

Westlo

2009-08-09, 06:19

Huh, DEEN with a movie budget... wonder how they'll do.

Well they did fantastic with the Rurouni Kenshin Memories and Read or Die OVAs which are clearly their last two big budget anime titles. Lets hope they have a decent budget for this movie.

Flinch

2009-08-09, 10:12

I called her Worm-chan because that's all she really is at that point, a worm. She changes who she is out of greed and lust, which no person with a selfless outlook would ever do (unless your selfless outlook was really just a facade)

ac195

2009-08-09, 10:24

Sakura has no fans in the West and least of all on this forum. Maybe she's big back home in Japan, but most people I talk to online hate her guts.

Wow, I bet they hate Kohaku too...

Btw, Sakura & Kohaku ftw

I called her Worm-chan because that's all she really is at that point, a worm. She changes who she is out of greed and lust, which no person with a selfless outlook would ever do (unless your selfless outlook was really just a facade)

Wow... I really like to know how you'd turn out if as a child you were sold by your real parents and raped constantly by those who adopted you... oh, lets not forget that your real sister ignores you and treats you as a complete stranger... oh and another thing, those people that adopted you and rape you constantly also make it so your body physically needs to be raped everyday in order to survive... yeah, she is clearly a worm...

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 11:05

Put the olast parts in spoiler tags please.

Well, you should think it over Flinch. Imagine a five year old girl abused by about fist sized or bigger crest worms, constantly in pain and perhaps completely in darkness alone. Now that's what welcome sakura the first day she was adopted. If you think Illya has cruel life imagine sakura's as at least 10 times worse. She went over that on daily basis then when puberty kicked in she was raped by Shinji to avoid problems about the Crest Worms' side effect. After the 4th grail war she was implanted with special Crest Worms contaminated by the Grail's remains. So she endured the murderous and evil impulses of the Angra Mainyou too. Not to mention thanks to the crest worms she was monitored every time and could be killed by Zouken without him lifting a finger. And she still didn't break. Not to mention she could endure the filling of the Grail better than Illya.
In her situation it's a miracle she's alive and able to resist Zoken and AM.

kakakka

2009-08-09, 11:12

Some (or most?) people hate a princess-that-needs-to-be-rescued character. Sakura fits that character, sadly...

BTW, I liked Sakura, but she's more of a younger sister type for me.

It's more that HF is not the sort of story that sells well... and, for that matter, it's too dependent on the other two routes.
I don't think so...
There are infos that aren't mentioned in Heaven's Feel, but I doubt it can really affect the story as a whole.

Not to mention she could endure the filling of the Grail better than Illya.
Ilya doesn't need to endure. She's built for the job.
Sakura isn't, that why, IIRC, the power of the grail keeps on spilling out of her, and almost takes over her....

Flinch

2009-08-09, 11:24

ac195

2009-08-09, 11:33

If you're a selfless person, you stay a selfless person. I am a selfless person, and I couldn't really live with myself to be selfish at all.

Oh, and back many generations, my family was sold out by those they fought for and were tortured until they finally broke and admitted to lies. That weighs pretty heavily on your mentality.

That's nice... when something like that happens to you personally... and you can still say things like this... then maybe I might believe you.

But as of now, I'll just treat you as a potato... because you clearly aren't human.

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 11:38

But mnothing compared to Sakura's. And there's no such a person as selfless.(well, actually believe the Bible there was one.) In extreme situations people's selfishness could show off.

Back to the childhood abuse. Normally many people should traumatise for the rest of their lives because of that. But Sakura didn't shown that fear. Maybe because she gone through it on daily basis and she already conquared that fear, but it's alone shows great inner strenght. Now imagine the strain on sakura: Tortured daily by the crest worms and by her "family", fights against AM's will, endures the incereasing mental and physical strain of being a Grail. A normal person could give in to that on the first day and I doubt Rin or anyone else could bear that as long as her.
To Kakka:

In Fate they mentioned Illya was more like a vegetable in the last few days. mantaining heroic spirits isn't an easy job and Sakura walks around and mainly does what she always. But you're right. Illya has more magic circuits and built for that purpose while sakura aren't exacty. It means her body must've endured more strain even if she hasmaching maching amount of heroic spirits inside her.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-09, 14:50

i pity sakura, but that's all i can do. and that's all that she ever gives as a character even when she's dark sakura it's just pity me and while i do feel sorry for her i can't bring myself to like her. and kohaku was a lot different then sakura, though i really dislike her as well when she's in i'm just a doll mode

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-09, 17:01

Well they did fantastic with the Rurouni Kenshin Memories and Read or Die OVAs which are clearly their last two big budget anime titles. Lets hope they have a decent budget for this movie.

FFFFFFFFFFF they made RoD? I forgot that... Best. OVA series. Ever.

Yeah, I hope they can accomplish something like that here.

I am a selfless person, and I couldn't really live with myself to be selfish at all.

The very fact that you say something like this with such pride disproves your own assertion.

Oh, and back many generations, my family was sold out by those they fought for and were tortured until they finally broke and admitted to lies. That weighs pretty heavily on your mentality.

But that wasn't you. You aren't your great-great-grandparents.

That doesn't mean a thing. And what does this have to do with calling Sakura greedy anyway?

How is greed entirely a bad thing, anyway?

But as of now, I'll just treat you as a potato... because you clearly aren't human.

I agree here. No human is truly selfless unless they're extraordinarily fucked up like Shirou is.

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 17:18

Well Shirou's selfish too, but I guess we could call him selfless. And I think it's true to Sakura too(even her dark version was more like twisted than selfish).

I guess there's no human without selfishness because it's part of our self-preservation.
But back to the topic. I hope they make the whole finale more belivable in the movie than the VN's.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-09, 17:28

Well Shirou's selfish too, but I guess we could call him selfless.

A large part of HF's story is him deciding to take what he wants for himself... :heh:

kakakka

2009-08-09, 17:30

In Fate they mentioned Illya was more like a vegetable in the last few days.
Really? I just finished saving the epilogue of Fate (some hobby I got huh? :heh:), and she's pretty much healthy there. Maybe I missed something? Is it mentioned in the very very end?

willyvereb

2009-08-09, 17:44

Yeah, but he has selfish desires. But his ideal masks it. Funny...this thread became a character and game discussion thread(even if we used spoiler tags mostly properly to hide them).

Rin mentioned it once...And she was in coma-like state. As the Grail's filled she must shut down slowly her human functions. Did you wonder why Illya hasn't shown up a day or a two before her abduction?

kakakka

2009-08-09, 22:06

Ah, I didn't read most of that post (got less time in computer earlier). I thought you're talking about the Fate epilogue. And I'm going to say sorry now *blush*. Though I know about how she does her job. It's been clearly explained in HF.

In Fate they mentioned Illya was more like a vegetable in the last few days. mantaining heroic spirits isn't an easy job and Sakura walks around and mainly does what she always. But you're right. Illya has more magic circuits and built for that purpose while sakura aren't exacty. It means her body must've endured more strain even if she hasmaching maching amount of heroic spirits inside her.
In HF, she said she has to go through that process (lose consciousness/go to half dead state) to control the heroic spirits. It doesn't mean she can't endure them. It's just better to do that way, she said it herself in HF. Sakura choose to not let go of her consciousness (even though it got corrupted a bit), so she got less control of the spirits and got more pain.

In aspect of endure (control) I think Ilya got it better. If endure (pain) I agree Sakura is a bit better.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-09, 22:15

i think its safe to say that all the fate girls have gone through a lot.

kakakka

2009-08-09, 22:18

Yeah, agree.

Anyway, my opinion about this movie...

Hhmmm....as long as they don't do bad duringCaster Arc and Vs. Archer scenesI think it going to be fine

Flinch

2009-08-09, 22:36

But solely because you want them to do well there, they won't; that's how life works, my friend.

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-09, 22:40

But solely because you want them to do well there, they won't; that's how life works, my friend.

But even DEEN should realize that is the selling point of the movie, if they blew it, then I think that they're just screwing with us.
Seriously though, I believed that DEEN is the studio of "We can actually be really good if we felt like it but we don't have any funds". Just look at the difference between the first Higurashi anime, Kai, and now Rei.

kakakka

2009-08-09, 22:50

But solely because you want them to do well there, they won't; that's how life works, my friend.

LOL.

To be honest, I'm in the middle.

I did said, "as long as they don't do bad...," not "as long as they made it great....". ;)

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-09, 23:29

i would prefer the utmost perfection but then again i like this series way to much so i'm a little biased

Flinch

2009-08-09, 23:32

We all have our personal preferences about this, but I think we can all agree that Shiro is an idiot not deserving of that harem.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-09, 23:57

nah, i just want his harem is all

Flinch

2009-08-10, 00:00

I'll just take Ilya-chan, you guys can have the rest.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-10, 00:24

that works for me just want saber and rin

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-10, 00:30

We all have our personal preferences about this, but I think we can all agree that Shiro is an idiot not deserving of that harem.

Yes, Shirou is an idiot, but Emiya, on the other hand, deserve any harem he might possibly have.

<- Obviously a fangirl

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-10, 00:33

who do you mean by emiya? kiritsugu?

Flinch

2009-08-10, 00:36

Heroic Spirit Emiya, Archer Class

MonkeyDude

2009-08-10, 00:36

I was first rather pessimistic when it was confirmed that Studio DEEN would be the ones producing the UBW movie and would have much preferred ufotable, but they have proven that they are capable of producing rather jaw-dropping anime given proper funding. The Samurai X OVA's are still considered one of the best damn adaptations out there and it was produced by Studio DEEN so let's just wait and see what will happen.

I was just planning on lurking, but the certain antics of one poster (Flinch) just compelled me to make a post here. I just have to ask dude...are you just a troll or what? You reply to sensible posts with rather pointless drivel, but you divert the topic of conversation whenever they give their piece to said drivel.

To add...

Fate's Shirou makes me want to bang my head against the wall due to his stupidity...err idealism, UBW's Shirou is the same but only at a headache level and Archer saves the day, and HF's Shirou is someone I can relate to and is therefore the superior incarnation in my eyes. Idealism is one thing, but those just become delusions if you ignore the very reality you live in. Idealism is one thing, but you have to make compromises with the reality you live in. Idealism is one thing, but mere beliefs are nothing compared to the suffering of those who you care about, those whose lives you value more so than your own. Only someone with a will of steel can blatantly ignore the suffering of those dear to them, and even then their very own convictions will betray them in the end.

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-10, 00:46

i think people misunderstand shirou's ideals. he doesn't want to see ANYONE suffering he wants everyone to be happy. The fact that he was unable to do so for those he holds most dear is why he eventually becomes archer, its his biggest regret and what he considers his biggest failure.

Mithfalath

2009-08-10, 01:03

I hope Jyukai uses this as a springboard for their next single. :)

willyvereb

2009-08-10, 01:15

Man...put those in spoiler tags.
If it keeps up like this, we'll need mod help in the end.

Shirouexplained in UBW why he choose that path. He found it beautifull to have everyone in pace and be happy. He wanted to experience the same happyness Kirigitsu had when he saved him. That's why he kept up that ideal. In HF he must choose between his own happiness and the beuty of his ideal. And he choose rightly his own happyness. Perhaps he didn't threw out his ideal even then. He just "purified" his borrowed ideal, thus making his own.
Kakka:

I think Rin stated she must shut down her human functions. It means she can't bear the grail while she's acting like a human. You're right, Illya had more controll naturally. And I have a wild guess sakura can't shut down her human functions because she isn't a homunculus. And about the releasing the conciousness: I think it would've been a wrong decision. It's the same like giving in to the grail. In that instant Sakura's personae would have shattered by Angra Mainyou and became it's pet.(or if Zouken's shemes works well then Zouken's puppet and new host.)

Kimiko Khan

2009-08-10, 02:08

heh sorry, i assumed that was pretty common knowledge

AzoLto

2009-08-10, 13:42

Shirouexplained in UBW why he choose that path. He found it beautifull to have everyone in pace and be happy. He wanted to experience the same happyness Kirigitsu had when he saved him. That's why he kept up that ideal. In HF he must choose between his own happiness and the beuty of his ideal. And he choose rightly his own happyness. Perhaps he didn't threw out his ideal even then. He just "purified" his borrowed ideal, thus making his own.

To add some more information, if I recall correctly, UBW Shirou told the reader that with Tohsaka helping him along his path towards his goals of becoming a 'superhero', he would probably not stray off his path and turn into Archer, someone who regrets turning into a heroic spirit. This is the one of the reasons why people believe UBW Shirou isn't Archer.

I haven't read Heaven's Feel, but from what I know due to spoilers, it seems that HF Shirou did indeed abandon his dreams of becoming a superhero. Wasn't it a world vs. Sakura decision for Shirou?

I'm certainly not a fan of Sakura but the criticism she receives certainly isn't warranted sometimes. If you've read Heaven's Feel, or heard about her history...

And like someone said earlier, she's the tragic heroine of F/SN, much like how Kohaku was for Tsukihime.

Yes, Sakura is a tragic heroine. Everything was out of her control as far as I know. Worms. Rape. Emotional abuse. Nothing was really her fault to begin with. All she wanted was Shirou wasn't it? If your life consisted of nothing but wanting one single thing.. I don't see how that is greed. Rather, it'd seem, sad. This is apparent even in Fate where Sakura said something like the highlight of her day was going over to Shirou's place (IIRC).

willyvereb

2009-08-10, 15:54

Well, I know it isn't the game discussion thread or anything like that, but I have an urge to answer:p

I advise you to read the story, AzoLto. He certainly has many hard decision regarding Sakura. He had to make the decision 3 times in the story whether kill her or not. Yeah, he somehow betrayed his ideal, but necerthless he was the most GAR in that route.

Well, Sakura in the previous two routes she seemed to be just girl in love. That's why HF has such shocking. It has many meaningful revelation, both about the characters and the background of the War.

Reckoner

2009-08-10, 19:38

willyvereb

2009-08-11, 02:01

Flinch

2009-08-11, 10:51

I would view fate as the highest, simply because many people have ideals. Out of those many people, very few are willing to defend them. Out of those, even less are willing to fight for them. And even rarer are the people who are willing to die for an ideal. It might seem childish to follow an ideal, but a child would not put everything on the line for a chance at realization of their ideal.

willyvereb

2009-08-11, 10:58

Then choose UBW. Shirou defends his ideal and follows it even if knows it destroys him, and it's only a borrowed ideal. Well, tosave Fate: it has more Illya and Saber.:)

ac195

2009-08-11, 10:58

willyvereb

2009-08-11, 11:21

lol...you reminded me this(Mashed Taters) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_01rYKQLg&feature=fvst).
But please keep from being overly personnal.

patnam

2009-08-12, 05:51

hope to see Kenji Kawai to return for the BGMs effect...

Flinch

2009-08-12, 10:48

Potato....

You're just jealous.

MFSxA

2009-08-12, 11:13

bergsdal

2009-08-13, 04:49

any news about the movie ? :D

orangejuicetang

2009-08-13, 18:56

Produced by Studio Deen, follows UBW route.

Reckoner

2009-08-13, 22:33

Childish? Now that's what isn't true to HF Shirou at all.

It's rather groundless accusation. Being selfish? Being a murderer? Not being a hero? They all have grounds. Being either GAR or not is really just personal viewpoint so I can understand it. In FSN Shirou somewhat simbolised the three stages of maturing. Fate: Kid, Child; UBW: Teen, HF: Man. And why Hf Shirou's a man? He understands better than any of the previous Shirou's what means killing someone and against what he fights exactly. He values everything like always, but willing to face and accept reallity. He lacks omnipotent power so he can only save a limited number of people. ÍBut he sworns to be happy even if he loses many things.Somehow that's why I think he's GARer than Archer.

But that is why I thought of him as childish. I think to be a true man, you have to understand a bit of reality, but also be willing to stick up for your ideals. That is why I liked UBW Shirou the best. I saw Shirou in HF as simply chasing pleasure (That being Sakura) at the cost of those things dear to him. He discarded himself, which just reminds me of many young people who do not stay true to themselves in the face of their peers when growing up.

mAc Chaos

2009-08-13, 23:14

Fate route > all routes

orangejuicetang

2009-08-13, 23:38

this really should be moved to the game thread.

willyvereb

2009-08-14, 00:22

I know, but I think it's invenietable to have game discussions here while we get no information about the coming movie.
"So as I pray, Unlimited Off-topic Works!"

But that is why I thought of him as childish. I think to be a true man, you have to understand a bit of reality, but also be willing to stick up for your ideals. That is why I liked UBW Shirou the best. I saw Shirou in HF as simply chasing pleasure (That being Sakura) at the cost of those things dear to him. He discarded himself, which just reminds me of many young people who do not stay true to themselves in the face of their peers when growing up.

You take differently the adult then me. But first of all:lol. Seeking pleasure? You mean Shirou's a masoist? Because sacraficing everything valuable to him just for the girl he loves is seriously falls into that cathegory. Or you meant enjoying the sex with her again? Because it was the least important of his reasons to save her. HF Shirou decided to save only a certain group of people and he isn't scared of losing people important to him. It doesn't mean the ones he killed/didn't saved(notably Saber) and were important suddenly became indifferent to him. He just decided to save with priority. UBW Shirou would've hesitated to kill Saber and caused his main reason(saving the one he loves) crumble. But I can't blame UBW Shirou either choosing that path. For him that was the only way to survive the situation. Either submitting to Archer or chosing to resist and survive. But I think UBW shirou is more childish. He refuses to lose anyone, while it's impossible. With time due to aging we lose people even if we manage to protect them to the end. He rushes to his own death, not knowing how much grieve he would cause the others important to him by that. He risks his life even for a complete stranger, while he can't imagine how troubled the others close to him by that. HF Shirou isn't like that, but I have to say he's suicidal too. But the thing made him that way is the situation not his decisions.

And about the not staying true to themselves: How you mean it? In the process of maturing people making constant compromises with the world. That's a natural thing. I think the ones won't do this the ones are generally childish. Clinging to things proved to be inapropiate a time ago just because they had it for years. That's childish. Not being able to release things.

AzoLto

2009-08-14, 07:26

Excuse me for breaking the tension guys, but this is something everyone would want to see.

XoQYEnqSMmc

The animation increased ten fold. Much, much better than the anime. I have to say though, how they're going to cram in the entire UBW route in two hours is still (probably) more important...

Well either way, still very interested in the movie. Let the hype train begin!

swtrooper42

2009-08-14, 09:38

Looks like so far they've hit the good scenes.

Put in order:

Archer vs. Lancer Round 1
Saber Summoning
Berserker graveyard fight
Rin vs Shirou (Shirou takes an invisable dagger to his arm from Rider)
What looks like Saber vs. Assassin and Archer vs Caster
Gilgamesh and Ilya
Archer vs Shirou

The animation does look really nice. Sort of like episode 24,but turned up to 11.

patnam

2009-08-14, 10:26

the background music in that trailer looks like more Kenji Kawai's work...

orangejuicetang

2009-08-14, 11:02

The animation quality looks impressive. Hopefully they can keep it up the entire movie, or at least for the majority.

*edit
Just out of curiosity, for those of you who played ubw, about how long did it take you? It took me roughly around a day's worth of playing time.

GuidoHunter_Toki

2009-08-14, 13:11

The animation for the movie looks fantastic judging by the trailer (the fight scenes will look very appealing for sure). Hope the plot fares just as well.

Reckoner

2009-08-14, 13:44

I'm seriously going to have a GARgasm if they do any of the scenes half as well as the visual novel presented them. I wonder if they'll remix the Emiya soundtrack AGAIN.

Shiroth

2009-08-14, 14:08

the background music in that trailer looks like more Kenji Kawai's work...
It does sound like a Kenji Kawai piece, though i'm not 100% certain because of the bad audio from the filming. Pretty sure it is though.

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-14, 19:17

The action scenes are good, you can at least tell that it's a huge step up from DEEN's average TV budget. The Ilya and Gil scene was really sad, he doesn't look like he mean any harm but we all know what's gonna happen, it's gonna be heart tearing to watch that scene.

RadiantBeam

2009-08-14, 19:41

The animation for the trailer is incredible, definitely a step up from how Studio DEEN animated the anime. Here's hoping the plot will be just as good.

orangejuicetang

2009-08-14, 20:02

I hope they do the dream sequence. The one where Rin sees Archer's memories.

Freeter

2009-08-14, 20:52

Hot damn, that trailer is FIRE.

Definitely importing the Bluray when it drops.

Calca

2009-08-14, 22:46

This means my sig is actually relevant since it's based off of Shirou's version of the incantation.

Nerroth

2009-08-14, 22:48

Well, there is one other thing about that sig that might be a little different...

The vid looks interesting.

swtrooper42

2009-08-14, 23:42

One of the things I'm looking forward to is seeing Gilgamesh in his UBW outfit acting all high, mighty, and powerful like we all know he is. Fight between Shirou and him is going to be epic beyond comprehension.

Reckoner

2009-08-15, 00:46

I have a feeling they are going to really shorten Caster's role in UBW. That's the only way they can possibly fit UBW in a 2 hour movie.

Kaisos Erranon

2009-08-15, 00:48

I have a feeling they are going to really shorten Caster's role in UBW. That's the only way they can possibly fit UBW in a 2 hour movie.

To be fair, they did do a bit of the UBW Caster stuff in the TV series anyway.

Shouldn't be too hard...

Marisa Kirisame

2009-08-15, 00:54

I have a feeling they are going to really shorten Caster's role in UBW. That's the only way they can possibly fit UBW in a 2 hour movie.

As long as they don't majorly screw up Archer's betrayal I actually have no problem with that. Although I have a feeling that the fight scenes are going to take the biggest cuts since well animated fight scenes takes up a lot of budget and most of the fight scenes in the VN just end up being long conversations and monologues.

ac195

2009-08-15, 04:49

As long as they do the battle scenes right and flesh out the significance of the necklace (including that epic good bye)... I'll have no complaints...

Oh, yeah... the Lancer scenes better be awesome as well.

iceyfw

2009-08-15, 06:49

2010.... such a long wait. well im not one of those FSN fans that'll keep thinking if the date comes closer for everyday that passes. blu-ray will come when it comes ;)

orangejuicetang

2009-08-15, 09:20

No one should forget about Rin's kung fu.

kakakka

2009-08-15, 10:34

After watching the video...

I don't want to say anything. Sometimes those teasers are better than the actual movie ><

calorie

2009-08-15, 10:41

The animation for the movie looks fantastic judging by the trailer (the fight scenes will look very appealing for sure). Hope the plot fares just as well.

QFT, the animation in anime is more than satisfactory for me, what with the cool shading and fluid movements...this just went to a whole new level.

Hyperion

2009-08-16, 02:28

Well, I'm stoked and so are a couple of my friends who played the VN and watched the anime. I just hope it doesn't bomb.

Aqua Knight

2009-08-16, 14:35

Hell yeah!
But we would see the subbed version in about a year
Though
The graphics are AWESOME!!!! The blood!!!
Also please I want Rin x Shirou moments, at least a kiss as in Fate anime. Please...

So as I pray-

Unlimited Months of Waiting

Flinch

2009-08-16, 21:01

Suzuku

2009-08-16, 23:22

Set your expectations low so no matter what the movie will impress you. :3

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 04:26

Um, you're right that it's not time to be hyped. Also why is the movie done now? I mean, anime was released 4 years ago and I doubt that F/S N reached its climax now among the fans.
And isn't it hard to show all the emotion of the betrayed ideal in the movie which is like 2 hours? And again I bet there will be no romantic line due to lack of time.
Btw, movies are usually 1,5 hour right? If so the movie will be spoiled due to the rush atmosphere with all this mass action. 2 or 3 movies would be much better.

Suzuku

2009-08-17, 09:44

^ Well, they might split it up into multiple movies, we'll just have to wait until more info is released.

And the romance won't suffer because of the action; if anything it'll be vice versa lol.

Flinch

2009-08-17, 10:03

What romance? The romance in UBW was laughable at best. It wasn't nearly as strong as the relationship in HF or Fate, so I doubt they'll emphasize on it much.

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 10:40

Ok, not romance but Rin's moments with Shirou like the date, pushing into the wall with breasts and other I didn't mention. But they won't be able to make it up in the movie I guess.
Can this movie be at least 2 hours or not?

kakakka

2009-08-17, 12:46

I'm ok with them throwing out some of the romantic moments.

I'm more concerned about Archer (and Shirou's) story in UBW.

Flinch

2009-08-17, 12:51

Likewise; that was the only thing that didn't make me fall asleep in UBW.

Suzuku

2009-08-17, 12:54

What romance? The romance in UBW was laughable at best. It wasn't nearly as strong as the relationship in HF or Fate, so I doubt they'll emphasize on it much.
Yeah, because "Goshuujin-sama plz forget everything and smex me" Sakura and "I must dai" Saber are sooo much better than Rin vowing to help Shirou fight for his ideals and stay by his side. But I guess you prefer the Fate/stay in the kitchen romance from HF. :eyespin:

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 13:20

Let's put aside romance then. It's a pity that some moments in the movie were already in the anime.

Suzuku

2009-08-17, 13:25

It'll be nice seeing them reanimated in movie quality though.

Can't wait to see Unlimited Blade Works vs. Gates of Babylon. ^^

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 13:37

Still I'm sure the movie will be rushed. And I hate it. Unless it is 2,5 hours or so.

Flinch

2009-08-17, 13:55

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 13:58

Hey,hey stop this is not the romance thread.
Is there anyone who could go to Japan and watch the movie?

Flinch

2009-08-17, 14:02

I might go back sometime, people were a lot kinder there.

Reckoner

2009-08-17, 14:02

The relationship in UBW was the worst out of them all, I'm sorry to say. Though I truly hate Heaven's Feel, the relationship between Shiro and Sakura was executed much better the relationship of Shiro and Rin in UBW. Fate seemed the most realistic, because it takes a long time to get a chivalrous person to think about themselves before someone else.

There was nothing wrong with the UBW relationship... It was a relationship where both supported each other... Unlike HF where Shirou for some uncanny reason wanted to help someone who was trying to kill him, or Fate where he fell in love with heroic spirit that me must of known could not exist past the Holy Grail War...

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 14:08

It's only natural not to like any other pairing exept your favourite one.

ZODDGUTS

2009-08-17, 14:28

I got a feeling that this won't be as good as we expect. Many of us (I am not one of them) are expecting great things of this movie, therefore any deviation from that will ruin the movie. In short, many of you are beginning to over-hype the movie.

Same here. It's not like better animation will make it a good movie. It's how they'll handle the adaptation. The TV series had pretty good animation for the most part the thing was that Deen's adaptation was average, it wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. Now look at Ufotable's adaptation of Kara no Kyoukai, so much better in comparison, it's not just getting it's praise just for it's slick animation but for it's great adaptation of the novel. Hopefully Deen will do better job this time around but since it's a movie they'll have a limited amount of time to how much they can adapt UBW in movie form, which may turn out rather condensed.

Reckoner

2009-08-17, 14:46

Same here. It's not like better animation will make it a good movie. It's how they'll handle the adaptation. The TV series had pretty good animation for the most part the thing was that Deen's adaptation was average, it wasn't bad but it wasn't great either. Now look at Ufotable's adaptation of Kara no Kyoukai, so much better in comparison, it's not just getting it's praise just for it's slick animation but for it's great adaptation of the novel. Hopefully Deen will do better job this time around but since it's a movie they'll have a limited amount of time to how much they can adapt UBW in movie form, which may turn out rather condensed.

But it is like I said before in this thread... I see the movie as more of a treat to already existant fans of Fate/Stay Night... We can't possibly ever expect 1 movie of a mere 2 hours to ever truly adapt the whole story of UBW. It can never surpass or equal the original telling of the "story." All this movie will do is provide the visuals for many of the treasured scenes in UBW, and that is all I have been excited for.

It is foolish to expect otherwise I think, and thus my expectations are already set lower than most though I am anticipating the movie a lot.

ZODDGUTS

2009-08-17, 14:49

True, which is why I'm lowering my expectations, hopefully it turns out decent.

Aqua Knight

2009-08-17, 14:54

Animation and music matter too and a lot. The simple plot with the latter can always turn out an eyecandy.
But movie can't grasp all the depth of Shirou's dreams and thoughts about the ideal so I, too, lower my hopes.

calorie

2009-08-17, 15:20

Animation and music matter too and a lot. The simple plot with the latter can always turn out an eyecandy.
But movie can grasp all the depth of Shirou's dreams and thoughts about the ideal so I, too, lower my hopes.

Why so pessimistic? While I loved the UBW route, a lot of the crucial fighting scenes are littered with monologue that repeats the key thoughts two or three times for the sake of emphasizing the moment due to the nature of the visual novel medium. Now I'm not saying they'll definitely do it right, but it sure is plausible. I'd rather remain optimistic based on what little I've seen so far then try to make myself feel better by anti-jinxing the movie "break-a-leg" style and lowering my expectations so early. ;)

Suzuku

2009-08-17, 15:31

I have no doubt that the animation and art will be superb in this movie and the OST will probably be pretty good too (they had better keep the Emiya track goddamit).

Even if it's condensed, as long as they have a good balance of exposition, action, romance, and character interactions then I'll be fine. I still think they will end up doing multiple movies though.

Hell, as long as they animate Shirou vs. Archer and Shirou vs. Gilgamesh well then I'll be happy. :D

calorie

2009-08-17, 15:46

I have no doubt that the animation and art will be superb in this movie and the OST will probably be pretty good too (they had better keep the Emiya track goddamit).

Indeed! If there is anything in F/SN universe that I would like to see and hear "live" and in full glory, it's the fights you've mentioned with that unbelievable track playing in the background.

Suzuku

2009-08-17, 17:33

Yeah, I can't wait to hear Shirou's epic "HERE I COME KING OF HEROES, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH SWORDS!?". I might die right there from gar overload. >.<

orangejuicetang

2009-08-17, 19:55

Yeah, I can't wait to hear Shirou's epic "HERE I COME KING OF HEROES, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH SWORDS!?". I might die right there from gar overload. >.<

Especially if Emiya is playing in the background.

Aqua Knight

2009-08-18, 10:44

What do you think end in the movie will be?
True or Good, though it doesn't really matter.

Suzuku

2009-08-18, 11:44

Probably true, with Shirou leaving for the Mage's Association with Rin to practice magic.

Suzuku

2009-08-21, 13:02

According to Type-Moon Ace vol.3, Nasu Kinoko said the duration of the movie is 90 min. (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=102780&show=220)

They have to split it into multiple movies. Way too short.

RadiantBeam

2009-08-21, 13:11

90 minutes? That's only an hour and thirty minutes, what the heck?

Flinch

2009-08-21, 15:38

And because it would be productive to split it into multiple movies, it won't be done. It'll probably be a very rushed version of UBW, taking out a lot of the scenes with Rider, quite a bit of Caster, almost all of Assassin, and anything else unnecessary. I believe anything romatically based will fall into that last category; only way to cram it all into that little time.

mAc Chaos

2009-08-21, 16:30

Anyone got a new link to the trailer? The YouTube one is down.

kakakka

2009-08-21, 17:52

Ah, 90 minutes...

After seeing the teaser and finding out its 90 minutes, I dunno what to think. I'm imagining short dialogues, many flashy fights...

mAc Chaos

2009-08-21, 17:55

Yeah, the anime was way way too short, right? And that was 26 episodes. Just imagine how much they'll have to slice up to fit a movie into 90 minutes... imagine if the anime was 90 minutes.

GILGAMESH: SUP GUYS-- OH GOD I TRIPPED *falls and impales self on sword*

kakakka

2009-08-21, 17:58

The anime gave alot, imo. They even snuck in more during Caster Arc. But I might be wrong. I enjoyed the anime alot, and didn't care what it's missing when I later played the game.

I think the movie might be more focused on fighting...

mAc Chaos

2009-08-21, 18:34

I liked the anime a lot too.

Reckoner

2009-08-21, 21:37

GuidoHunter_Toki

2009-08-22, 01:16

Wow 90 min, can only mean rushed. No way they can tell the story effectively with such a short running time. This probably means less focus on certain characters (like Caster and Assassin).

Paladinoras

2009-08-22, 06:13

A lot is made about the anime when I thought they did a pretty decent job... Though, they probably should have mostly stuck to the Fate route instead of trying to put in elements of HF and UBW.

Anyhow... 90 minutes is way too freaking short. That pretty much scraps the story.

Maybe it's a multi-part movie..

Or starts already halfway into the story, to speed things up.

Eitherway, I can't wait for this movie.

Flinch

2009-08-22, 09:38

Remember, no movies of shows are not made for fans. They'll have to explain most of the basic things again, meaning we get to hear Kotomine ramble again. The scene of Gilgamesh with Ilya in the trailer implies that it will at least get to that point in the movie, meaning it will be rushed. Also, I agree that it'll mainly focus around the battles and much less about the dialogue anc character relationships.

Reckoner

2009-08-22, 13:00

willyvereb

2009-08-22, 13:10

Wrong.

The Gilgamesh vs Berserker scene were late, but there's much to happen even after that. Not to mention we have an even later scene. The first scene in the trailer where Saber is engulfed in blue light and lighting. It was when Rin became saber's master. And it was just after the caster vs Rin fight, at Archer's betrayal. And we also saw a brief scen where Shirou comfronts Archer. The only scenes we haven't seen the ones from the last day. And it's logical to include it also.

Reckoner

2009-08-22, 14:45

Flinch

2009-08-22, 14:45

So, in a nutshell, we can say goodbye to most of the plot and the drama as we immerse ourselves into the eye candy of battles. Kinda sounds like modern video games...

willyvereb

2009-08-22, 14:50

Well, I kinda expected the movie that way when I heard about UBW's confirmation. I keep up my hopes to see a more powerfull-loking Gate of Babylon.

MonkeyDude

2009-08-22, 16:34

I'd rather be in the edge of my seat watching the story unfold in a fast pace rather than have the same tale regurgitated ever so slowly. It's not like those who are following this thread hasn't read the visual novel or at least watched the anime. The groundwork has been laid out and I'd rather have them skip stuff (or at least speed through it) that's been done before than waste time explaining everything all over again. Though I do agree that 90 minutes may be cutting it, should at least be 120.