The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 21 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 11]

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[ReneeBurossamu]

20 minutesssss.

[Heminga13]

I thought I might miss the live stream for the first time but luckily I got home in time. Woohoo! Even though it's not as fun watching as it was for Endless Eight since I actually knew the gist of what was being said...

[Mr. Turnabout]

I KNOW!
I'm watching some Cat thing right now...

[Dakota]

Last time, on "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya" :

Mikuru: Um...

[TadloS]

Any live stream links ?

[ReneeBurossamu]

It's on it's on it's on

[SidVicious]

Any live stream links ?

Check the thread rules.

[TakariCritic]

wow, they started RIGHT at the end of last episode.... weird.

[Heminga13]

Yeah, I forgot about it ending on 'umm'. And it looks like it starts right after she says that, too. I bet they did just randomly cut out sections from one larger thing to make each episode. We'll see how this one ends, though.

[ReneeBurossamu]

Well, Mikuru's in her costume now.

[Daniel Lind]

This episode pretty much averts people complaining about
"BAWW BACKGROUND CHARACTERS DON'T MOVE".

They do.

[TakariCritic]

Aw.... Yuki's Death enterence wasn't as good as I hoped.

And yeah, the backgrounds of this episode are much better.

[Peanutbutter003]

Kunikida and Taniguchi finally blinked! :heh:

[Sho-tan]

Was that a Haruhi-chan reference just now?

[TakariCritic]

Aw.... denied our beserker Yuki and Mikuru beam... next week I guess.

This week's episode felt MUCH more natural and immersive. Pacing was a lot better as well.

[ReneeBurossamu]

It's overrrrrr.

They got Mikuru's degrading costume, shot the commercials for the film, Haruhi whipped everyone again like she always does, and then they began shooting the first fight scene in the film with the guns.
And the backgrounds were moving again and we saw more of Kyon's classmates.

[Daniel Lind]

Kyon accidentially referred to plug suits, wah, not NGE again.

Mikuru -> Yuki shooting scene was bloody downplayed. I excepted bullets firing, Yuki switching her stick lightspeed, it went offscreen instead.

Episodes of Sighs are cut at completely random places, making it feel more like a movie itself, with weekly interruptions.

Twice during the episode I felt the cold glare of Endless Eight -- once at square before the station and the second time at shooting of commercicals. I thought "Hey, we saw this already, from another angle... OH WAIT".

Nice episode overall.

[CrowKenobi]

Well, we almost get to the Mikuru Beam! ;)

Maybe the next episode will start to show the weird stuff beginning to happen... :D

[Peanutbutter003]

No Mikuru Biimu...

I wondered how many times I will rewatch Ep 00 while this arc is undergoing. :heh:

[Heminga13]

Another abrupt ending. Yup, KyoAni isn't really worrying about ending and starting normally with this arc. Kind of interesting since this is the movie-making story. I bet Haruhi thought it was a good idea. >_>

[Mr. Turnabout]

THANK HARUHI.
But yeah, I thought that it was well done today.
The background was much better.

Aw.... denied our beserker Yuki and Mikuru beam... next week I guess.


I'm still kinda mad about that.

[Ithekro]

I don't know. I was too busy laughing.

Ready for Mikuru Beam next week.

[Mr. Turnabout]

Yeah, I was laughing when she was singing that..."duka duka chan chan duka duka chan chan!" Thing.

[Game8910]

The overall artstyle has once again significantly gone up this episode. You can kinda tell what animation team KyoAni uses these days can you?

This episode had a much better and more CLANNAD like animation. If only they kept this style the whole way through instead of switching things wouldnt look so inconsistent.

But the episode itself was pretty damn good.

[Heatth]

Nice episode. I liked the de ja vu feeling. I kept remembering Episode 00.

I din't expected Mikuru Beam this week anyway, so it was no issue for me. What I was expecting was a flashback for Kyon and Haruhi meeting at the end of Melancholy. Maybe a DVD extra? They couldn't have skiped it could they? Is a very important part of Sighs, not showing it is ecen a plot hole.

PS: I lost some few minutes right on the middle of the episode. So I might have just mssed the flashback... Sorry if is the case (just ignore the post).

[Daniel Lind]

They couldn't have skiped it could they? Is a very important part of Sighs, not showing it is ecen a plot hole.
It's not a plot hole. They will just change it from "Haruhi learned that from Kyon" to "Haruhi guessed that completely on her own". Major point, I agree, but still...
They had chance to show it today, but they decided not to. Oh well.

[typhonsentra]

No 2ch thread links this week?

[Heatth]

It's not a plot hole. They will just change it from "Haruhi learned that from Kyon" to "Haruhi guessed that completely on her own". Major point, I agree, but still...
They had chance to show it today, but they decided not to. Oh well.

The plot hole is not because of Sighs, is because the end of Melancholy. Kyon said he would tell her about Aliens, Time Travelers and ESPers. Without this scene this statement make no sense.

Ugh, this episode was cool, but the lack of the flashback is still bothering me. I might enjoy it better whant I watch with subs, this time knowing there is no flashback.

[Ithekro]

Doesn't need a flashback until Kyon takes blame for the characters roles. And even then, we know he was going to tell her at the end of Episode 6. The only addition to that would be her denial of what he was telling her.

[Daniel Lind]

Kyon said he would tell her about Aliens, Time Travelers and ESPers. Without this scene this statement make no sense.
Oh. Well, can we take games as anime canon? Because that scene was in one of the games. ._.

[17th_warrior]

Hey wake up and read novels.

[prnoct90]

Yah, well the author wrote the last episodes, and (did he write this episode) so I think he knows what hes doing. The author is obviously very involved with this arc, and I think he will make things work out.

[Mr. Turnabout]

Hey wake up and read novels.

Lol, I like this. I mean, the light novel does tend to flow alot better. Maybe that was the idea this time. Maybe that's why they started the episode where they left off, to emulate that flow.

If the author is doing this, then hey! Look at that. >.<

[Sute443]

It's not a plot hole. They will just change it from "Haruhi learned that from Kyon" to "Haruhi guessed that completely on her own". Major point, I agree, but still...
They had chance to show it today, but they decided not to. Oh well.

It changed nothing; they'll probably just show it later. When Kyon saw the roles his thoughts included the line "Ore no sei?!" Basically, it translates to "(Is this) My fault?!" They haven't shown the scene yet, but he obviously told Haruhi.

[Mr. Turnabout]

Well, if you really think about it, it is.
I still enjoyed that Koizumi's "Freak-out" face.

[Daniel Lind]

No, Tanigawa Nagaru didn't write this episode.

[GMT]

Being hampered by my lack of ability to understand moonspeak, I can only comment on the animation of the episode. And it seemed much better this week, compared to last week. People moved and blinked this week, the backgrounds were nice, and everything seemed to flow well. Now to wait (impatiently) for the subs to come out.

[Dakota]

I liked the de ja vu feeling.

I liked the de ja vu feeling.

[M.Marangio]

No 2ch thread links this week?

Here:
http://dec.2chan.net/24/res/4072257.htm
http://dec.2chan.net/24/res/4072226.htm

[Toonleap]

My post for the usual episode...

http://www.cartoonleap.com/2009/08/20/haruhi-second-season-ep-21-behind-the-camera/

The song that Haruhi is humming is the famous "Can Can" song if everyone wonders.... :)

That really made me laugh...and also Mikuru and Yuki using their costumes sure brought me memories from episode 00

[Triple_R]

Toonleap - Thanks for that. I don't watch the Raws; I don't know Japanese, and it would spoil the sub-watching experience for me, imo; but it's good to see a nice selection of stills in order to comment on the artwork anyway.

The artwork looks a little bit better this week, judging by those stills, but I'll have to watch the full episode before I can say more than that.

[Toonleap]

Toonleap - Thanks for that. I don't watch the Raws; I don't know Japanese, and it would spoil the sub-watching experience for me, imo; but it's good to see a nice selection of stills in order to comment on the artwork anyway.

The artwork looks a little bit better this week, judging by those stills, but I'll have to watch the full episode before I can say more than that.

Thanks for your comments...It will be very interesting to read your opinions once you watch the sub....:D

[typhonsentra]

Here:
http://dec.2chan.net/24/res/4072257.htm
http://dec.2chan.net/24/res/4072226.htm

Thank you!!

[haruhi.ism]

i liked the episode.
haurhi is still looking a little K-ON, which bothers me, but eh.
i'm just waiting for mikuru beaaaaaam!

[Roger Rambo]

I hrd you people like Deagles.

[Ithekro]

Toy's barrels are too long. Hurts my wrist thinking about that thing again. It's just too big (not the bullet, the freaking handgrip and slide release is too far away) What moose Israeli is going to be able to use that thing day in and out? It is fun though. Massive amount of flame...but the trigger is touchy due to that massive slide action (normal recoil, then that thing slams back into place pulls your hand downwards making it possible to fire a second shot...not a good thing.)

[Heminga13]

Yay! Can't wait for subbed movie-making. Or...commercial making, whichever one was shown more so far.

*secret 'subs are out' post*

[Rice_slayer]

Downloading some subs :). I cant believe how quiet everyone is about the new episodes. Everyone complains NON STOP when Endless eight was on but now we actually HAVE something, no one talks about it. No wonder Kadokawa pulled that troll, it made the fanbase active :P.

[Ithekro]

I thought it was funny to see Haruhi directing a scene we've seen from Kyon's (the camera) point of view...some three year, four months, and 17 days ago. Also the large group of men watching as they make those advertizements makes it even funnier than it was before.

[Roger Rambo]

Downloading some subs :). I cant believe how quiet everyone is about the new episodes. Everyone complains NON STOP when Endless eight was on but now we actually HAVE something, no one talks about it. No wonder Kadokawa pulled that troll, it made the fanbase active :P.
No. Endless 8 killed the extravagant enthusiasm for the season when it started airing. After the gimmick of "will E8 end this week?" ceased being relevant, people started tuning out.

[Takamura Mamoru]

Endless 8 killed the extravagant enthusiasm for the season when it started airing.

I must sadly agree with this. Since I stopped watching the EE disaster, I only watched the episode where it ended. I haven't even bothered to watch Episode 10 yet. =/

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Given the fact that most of the fanbase seems to be pretty "meh" about Sigh, I think this would've happened even without E8x8.

[Takamura Mamoru]

That's possible, although I'll probably tune in for the interesting scenes.. If you know what I mean.

[aulzon]

I feel really bad for Kyon and Asahina in this episode. Hanging around Haruhi has to be pretty draining on them.

Overall, pretty great episode, the ending was a bit abrupt.

[Game8910]

loved this episode, it was hilarious and the animation was up from last week

[Launch]

I quite liked this episode, the character designs and the moving-people-in-backgrounds were all great in this one. (I think there was one face-shot of Mikuru that seemed a bit odd. I'll have to confirm when I watch it again later xD).

I'm under the impression that KyoAni is animating this to give the feeling of a single long episode, just chopped up into bits. It really makes it feel movie-like, I can't wait to marathon all the episodes. xD

Seeing all the characters' reactions to Haruhi's casting was great (I don't think we've ever seen Koizumi shocked before). The guy snapping a picture of Mikuru on his phone/Kyon's reaction was funny. Oh and the scene were Yuki walks in randomly with her witch costume on. Good moments. :P

Was that a Haruhi-chan reference just now?

I'm not sure... The mother/boys lines were basically exactly the same, but it'd be weird for a series to reference a spin-off of itself xD.

Haruhi-chan might have been a reference to Sighs, even though it hadn't aired yet...
but they might have already had it finished...
and decided to reference something that hadn't even been released yet...
Then everyone watches this episode and has even more deja-vu than was present in E8...
I'm going to stop thinking about this. xD

Downloading some subs :). I cant believe how quiet everyone is about the new episodes. Everyone complains NON STOP when Endless eight was on but now we actually HAVE something, no one talks about it. No wonder Kadokawa pulled that troll, it made the fanbase active :P.

Yeah I know, usually I would sign on about this time to comment on an E8 episode and there would be about 20 pages or so. Now there's 3. xD

[Ithekro]

Haven't seen the sub yet, but did Haruhi allow Mikuru to remove the contact for the shooting scene? She's back to normal eyes again. Or are Haruhi's powers already starting to work?

[Heminga13]

Haven't seen the sub yet, but did Haruhi allow Mikuru to remove the contact for the shooting scene? She's back to normal eyes again. Or are Haruhi's powers already starting to work?

I didn't notice that...I'm guessing it's Haruhi's power's starting to work. Or sloppy animation. I'll give KyoAni the benefit of the doubt.

[Launch]

Haven't seen the sub yet, but did Haruhi allow Mikuru to remove the contact for the shooting scene? She's back to normal eyes again. Or are Haruhi's powers already starting to work?

I'm pretty sure she took it out. In the original Ep 00 she doesn't have the contact in while shooting at Yuki. Then it cuts to a close up of Mikuru with it in. (The transition is funny as well, she makes the Mikuru-Beam pose twice. One without contact, then one with. xD Didn't notice Kyon's terrible editing there before.. xD)

[Ithekro]

There are a lot of things we will probably notice that we didn't before...that might be part of the fun of this arc. Also people noticed her having and then not having the contact in during those scenes in the movie...we just didn't know she'd had them in earlier, then not, then later, I guess. Or Haruhi is being Haruhi...and maybe about to almost get Kyon killed.


(M-M-MIKURU BEAMMM!)

[Triple_R]

No. Endless 8 killed the extravagant enthusiasm for the season when it started airing. After the gimmick of "will E8 end this week?" ceased being relevant, people started tuning out.

I agree. It's getting noticeable. Last I checked (which was only a few hours ago), the Episode 10 thread had fewer views than all other Haruhi 2009 threads, and had fewer posts than all but two of them. And, Episode 10 was way behind most of the other Haruhi 2009 episode threads in both views and posts.

To me, the most logical answer is that EE has driven some fans away. Mostly, it's driven EE critics away - a lot of the people that were critiquing EE on the older episode threads are gone now. About the only critics left, really, are you, Takamura, Akka, and myself (apologies if I'm missing anybody). Well, Kaisos was very critical of EE at times, in full credit to him, but he's been less so since it ended.

I have two caveats.

My first caveat is that EE didn't really start to hurt until episode 4 or 5. In fact, IIRC, episode 5 was the peak point for Haruhi interest so far this year. Right now, it looks like that's when a lot of people dropped off, and many haven't bothered to come back.

My second caveat is that the art style change has exacerbated the issue. I think that more people would have come back if not for the art style change.



Anyway, I'll be watching the sub at some point tomorrow, and writing up a blog review for the episode.

[ac195]

I agree. It's getting noticeable. Last I checked (which was only a few hours ago), the Episode 10 thread had fewer views than all other Haruhi 2009 threads, and had fewer posts than all but two of them. And, Episode 10 was way behind most of the other 2009 episodes in both views and posts.

To me, the most logical answer is that EE has driven some fans away. Mostly, it's driven EE critics away - a lot of the people that were critiquing EE on the older episode threads are gone now. About the only critics left, really, are you, Takamura, Akka, and myself (apologies if I'm missing anybody). Well, Kaisos was very critical of EE at times, in full credit to him, but he's been less so since it ended.

My only caveat would be that EE didn't really start to hurt until episode 4 or 5. In fact, IIRC, episode 5 was the peak point for Haruhi interest so far this year. Right now, it looks like that's when a lot of people dropped off, and many haven't bothered to come back.



Anyway, I'll be watching the sub at some point tomorrow, and writing up a blog review for the episode.

Really?

I just think that E8 was an easy target for trolls. Now that its over, they all just went back under their respective bridges.

Anyway, this was just another set-up episode. The crazy stuff should start happening next episode.

[Ithekro]

Maybe it was all the talk of Sighs being a boring arc drove them away before it started since it wasn't Endless Eight, and thus not controversial (or troll worthy, however you want to look at it).

I think they are missing out...so far I've been amused by this arc.

[Triple_R]

Maybe it was all the talk of Sighs being a boring arc drove them away before it started since it wasn't Endless Eight, and thus not controversial (or troll worthy, however you want to look at it).

I think they are missing out...so far I've been amused by this arc.

Episode 10 was Ok - a decent watch. I gave it 8/10. This episode looks to have better artwork, so it's probably going to be a 9/10 for me.

So, yeah, I'd agree with you that they're missing out with this arc.

[Heminga13]

Yeah, this episode kept me entertained more than Sigh I did. Not sure why, but I guess it had more humorous moments. I couldn't help but laugh again watching Haruhi walk to the train station with her tune...I forgot what it's called, someone said it. It was more the way she sounded doing it that was funny.

[haruhi.ism]

It was more the way she sounded doing it that was funny.

that was really cute!
i can't wait to see the episode again, so i can hear it again and again, haha.

[baltakatei]

Downloading some subs :). I cant believe how quiet everyone is about the new episodes. Everyone complains NON STOP when Endless eight was on but now we actually HAVE something, no one talks about it. No wonder Kadokawa pulled that troll, it made the fanbase active :P.

For me, school is starting again in a few weeks. Preparations are in swing. As a result, the real world is taking up my time as it rightfully should now.

Haven't seen the sub yet, but did Haruhi allow Mikuru to remove the contact for the shooting scene? She's back to normal eyes again. Or are Haruhi's powers already starting to work?

I believe Haruhi will shove them into Mikuru's eyes after dragging her into the woods at the last moment just before Kyon shoots her using the Mikuru Beam.

[Sackett]

Boy, episode 00 look silly and funny when you watch it.

It's only after watching this that you begin to realize how cruel it was to Mikuru.

[mpt37]

Much more entertaining than last weeks episode. I particularly liked the commercial shooting part when Haruhi used her megaphone as a rifle when giving instructions to Mikuru. Also, I liked the little addition they made @ 19:45. Unless I completely mis-interpreted the scene, Haruhi noticed she and Kyon were both wearing blue hoodies which made her a bit happy so she decided to cover the bus fare.

I had go re-watch 00 afterwords because I could've sworn Haruhi was wearing her school uniform during the Mikuru Beam scene. Upon re-watching it Haruhi had yellow sleeves so she's wearing the same outfit, nice to see there's no error there.

[Jintor]

Hah, Taniguchi. So observant

[Reckoner]

Well it is pretty much that people talk more when they want to complain than when they want to praise something. So E8 toppled with the fact that Sighs isn't the most attractive of the Haruhi novels... turns into this. (Some posters may be exhausted of posting about this series by now as well after th endless rage in E8)


If it is an OK episode without anything to really complain about nor praise at the same time, you'll get less activity. I've fa;;en into this category and I have less of a desire to check these threads now.

[ac195]

Much more entertaining than last weeks episode. I particularly liked the commercial shooting part when Haruhi used her megaphone as a rifle when giving instructions to Mikuru. Also, I liked the little addition they made @ 19:45. Unless I completely mis-interpreted the scene, Haruhi noticed she and Kyon were both wearing blue hoodies which made her a bit happy so she decided to cover the bus fare.

I had go re-watch 00 afterwords because I could've sworn Haruhi was wearing her school uniform during the Mikuru Beam scene. Upon re-watching it Haruhi had yellow sleeves so she's wearing the same outfit, nice to see there's no error there.

Yeah, I loved that scene as well. The following one where she prevents Kyon from getting an indirect kiss from Mikuru was also golden.

[Jintor]

Jebus Chist, I get the feeling that Haruhi literally just pushed those contacts into Mikuru's eyes! Urrrrgh...

I normally don't empathise much with Mikuru (moe-blob that she is) but jeeze, constant eye-stinging, arrrgh...

This week's art-style is fantastic!

[Proto]

Even if they don't post there are still a lot of people following the series (like truly yours) so there's nothing to worry. All the universe for Haruhi and stuff :D

Personally I liked the episode. The series is at its best when it is about the character interaction and exposition of their personalities. Sigh's is as good as I remember it. Yes, I enjoyed Sigh's. Take that, you bunch of negative people.

[Jintor]

Saw somewhere a comment that "Endless Eight was less boring than this" and I thought, hey, wait a moment, the thing about Haruhi is that even when nothing overly supernatural or weirdshit is going on it's still interesting.

[FateAnomaly]

To me, the most logical answer is that EE has driven some fans away. Mostly, it's driven EE critics away - a lot of the people that were critiquing EE on the older episode threads are gone now. About the only critics left, really, are you, Takamura, Akka, and myself (apologies if I'm missing anybody). Well, Kaisos was very critical of EE at times, in full credit to him, but he's been less so since it ended.



Its pretty true for me. I know EE has ended but somehow i can't seem to find the interest to pick it up again. The priority for haruhi has been dropped pretty low for me. Below needless, saki and knights in the knightmare(game) among other things.

[sacundim]

This episode was hilarious from beginning to start.

Kyon is about to knock on the clubroom door to check whether Asahina is changing, but hears her fighting with Haruhi over it as usual and doesn't bother. Kyon comes in finally after it quiets down, closes the door, and then stands stunned at the sight of Asahina in the waitress outfit. And then Koizumi opens the door, without knocking first, hitting Kyon.

[wittyusername]

I think all of Mikuru's blinking this episode was enough to make up for the stare!eyes every character has had lately. Also the background characters moved. Which is good.

And not many horribly deformed hands! Still a lot of funny faces, but instead of Kyon making them, this episode it was Mikuru. I don't normally like Mikuru too much, but her headdesk was pretty awesome. But ohgodhereyes

I think the animation for this episode was closer to Clannad After Story than K-ON. Still a few instances of the dreaded baleen teeth, but everyone had properly formed limbs. Also there was a plot. That definitely helps to differentiate from K-ON.

The part at the end when Haruhi stopped the indirect kiss thing between Kyon and Mikuru... Man, this show has changed what I consider to be a cute, OTP-filled moment. If I didn't obsess over this series I'd probably watch things and think stuff along the lines of "aww, look, they kissed. How cute." But in Haruhi, it's more like "aww, look, she was kind of a bitch and stopped him from drinking from her slightly abused cosplay doll's drink to avoid an indirect kiss, because apparently everyone is in the seventh grade. OTP HEARTHEARTHEART."

Still waiting for the MIKURU BEEEEAM

[kniteowl]

Watching this episode, I remember when I started hating Haruhi (the character) when I was reading Sighs, when she stole Kyon's Drink that Mikuru offered him, my 1st though t was "what a Bitch!".

This episode was alright, overall better then last weeks but not enough Yuki for me :P lol... well she did block all those bullets, I don't expect anything less.

[Ardee]

The song that Haruhi is humming is the famous "Can Can" song if everyone wonders.... :)


The reference may run deeper - the Can Can music is from Orpheus in the Underworld, and if you read a synopsis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus_in_the_Underworld#Act_1)of it (it's a comic opera involving love triangles of supernaturals), you'll think:

1) This might have inspired Ep 00
and
2) Haruhi's storyline is more comprehensible!

[Heatth]

Watching this episode, I remember when I started hating Haruhi (the character) when I was reading Sighs, when she stole Kyon's Drink that Mikuru offered him, my 1st though t was "what a Bitch!".

This episode was alright, overall better then last weeks but not enough Yuki for me :P lol... well she did block all those bullets, I don't expect anything less.


Yeah, Sighs is good to remember why Haruhi is a bitch. About that 'indirect kiss' scene, if you pay atention, Harui roll her eyes up before telling why she took the bottle. It is clear that make the reason after taking the action.

Watching again, with subtitles, I start to think Sighs might be better to watch then to read. Many things I enjoyed this episode were more visual (like the de ja vu when filming).

Also, two times this episode I get the feeling the either Haruhi can read minds or Kyon can project his thoughts. The confusion between his thought and talking lines were always confusing, however, from 11:51 to 11:59 Kyon was clearly thinking, we ould even see his mouth. Haruhi respond his thought anyway. Also, latter (18:38 - 18:42) Kyon 'thinks' Haruhi would be as beautiful as Mikuru if she put on a decent smile. She then ask if he said somthing (impling he muttered to himself), this time we hadn't see his mouth, so it is not that strange however, Mikuru, who is closer, didn' show sigs to have heared it, which is strange, sisnce he was complimenting her.

Also, Itsuki lines this episodes are funny. He keep saing how terrifing he is about Haruhi and how annoying is having to act. However, his face do't change a bit. No wonder why he creeps Kyon (and Taniguchi) out.

Oh, Yuki didn't block all the bulets. Most have missed, anyway :p

[Ice Block]

Yes! Yes! Yes! The moving, blinking, audibly talking background characters are back! I wonder what was the gist of that balloon conversation...? :heh:

Very good episode, with lots of minor details (already mentioned by others) added in. Very consistent with Ep00. Will rate after watching a.f.k.'s release next week.

On thread activity, I'd rather have it stay civil, easy-to-read and on-topic. And *gasp* there are actually people who watch the episode but don't post in forum discussion threads?! :rolleyes:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Holy fuck that was awesome.

All the little details. This REALLY feels like S1 again. Except for the visuals. But hey.

Haruhi is the biggest, most awesome bitch ever. From the slamming of the door open, to the Can-Can song, to EPIC INDIRECT KISS COCKBLOCK to her 'encouragement' of Mikuru... incredible.

And thanks to Umineko, I kept yelling at Koizumi to "DENY THE WITCH, DENY HER IN BLUE" when WitchYuki first showed up... -_-

Lots of Koizumi in general, which I consider to be a good thing.


9/10 because the art is still crap. Otherwise, very, very enjoyable episode.

[Jonbob0008]

I will admit that I enjoyed the episode a lot more than last weeks. Kyon's snarkiness was in full blast and made me laugh several times. And hearing all of Haruhi's ludicrous directing decisions all over again brought back some great memories. I will agree with some people here and say that Sighs has been much more enjoyable to watch than it was to read.

And Haruhi is definitely starting to get really mean. Poor, poor Mikuru-chan...

[ac195]

Yeah, yeah... you can all say Haruhi's a "b*tch"... but just like Kyon... with just one of these shot your way...

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/904/haruhismile.png
...and BAM!!!... you forgive her :P

[Mecha_Trueno]

Wow! I totally didn't expect to enjoy Ssighs arc so much! A lot of things were just so much more entertaining to watch than read.
At this rate, I actually don't mind if they use up all of the remaining "new" episodes on Sighs.

I can't wait to see them all jaw drop when Shamisen first talks:D

btw, do we even need spoiler tags? We already know the finished product (episode 00)

[iHateApril3rd2009]

haruhi-chan ep 7 reference

10/10

[Peanutbutter003]

For the 2nd CM, in Ep 00, you see Mikuru going forward to read the script and receive the rifle on Kyon's right whereas in this one, you see Mikuru doing the same things on Kyon's left.

*sigh* :heh:

[Triple_R]

Artwork and animation were both a bit better this episode. At the very least, I didn't notice much to criticize about it; nowhere near as much as I did last episode. Haruhi looked much closer to her 2006 self here, and in fact had many nice shots. She still looked K-Onified about 25% of the time, but that's a lot better than many episodes this season. The rest of the cast were exceptionally well-animated and positioned. Kyon, Itsuki, Mikuru, and Yuki simply all felt right this episode.

Haruhi conveyed, in art/animation; voice acting; and dialogue; the playful but bossy villainous overlord role quite nicely in this episode. This is precisely how I like to view her.

This is probably the best episode of the year thus far. I'll try to put a more detailed review up on my blog later today, but this is a solid episode - not much to poke fun at here, which is great for everything except trying to make a comedic review of it of course. ;)

This is a 9/10 for me - very close to 10/10, and losing that purely for artwork/animation issues, same as Kaisos.

[Akka]

Quite a good episode.
Funny, loaded with references to ep 00, and the feeling of the S1 is definitely here.

Well, I still want to slam Haruhi's head against a wall, but after seeing School Days, she appears much more bearable, which helps :D

[ac195]

Nagato...
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1654/nagatolookssad.png

[Miyuki-ism]

Really liking the new art, way better than season 1's that's for sure.

[brocko]

Great episode filled with many a great moments. Enjoyed watching every bit from start to finish. Best episode of the season by far imo. (and who said Sighs was going to be boring? =P, then again it's not like there's was much to compete with to begin with after all :heh:)

Nothing to really nitpick about, not even the art! It was spot on this time, lets hope they keep it up :)

Also, I liked the little addition they made @ 19:45. Unless I completely mis-interpreted the scene, Haruhi noticed she and Kyon were both wearing blue hoodies which made her a bit happy so she decided to cover the bus fare.
Nice catch there!


I had go re-watch 00 afterwords because I could've sworn Haruhi was wearing her school uniform during the Mikuru Beam scene. Upon re-watching it Haruhi had yellow sleeves so she's wearing the same outfit, nice to see there's no error there.

Man talk about attention to detail, that stuff was animated like three years ago :heh:

[Daniel Lind]

Spoiler for Inconsistencies between Ep 00 and this ep
Truth be told, Haruhi might have shot more than one cut for each scene.

[Heatth]

Truth be told, Haruhi might have shot more than one cut for each scene.

Probably not. They took the care for having Mikuru asking if it is for her pick the gun and then shoot with it. She did the same in the episode00, if it was the second shot, she wouldn't have to ask. It is really a inconsistence, even a minor one.

No one have commented the cast on the credits yet? This time not only Haruhi's, but Kyon's name is also off. The distance between the 'Kyon' and 'Asahina Mikuru' is biggenr then it is between the othr three. The distance between 'Suzumiya Haruhi' is also bigger. Also, Haruhi's name is a bit off to left, while Kyon's is to right. I wonder what this symbolize.

Another minor trivia, Mikuru's name on her waitress uniform is writen as "みくる"(hiragana). However, the name of the character she is playing is "ミクル"('mikuru' in katakana). A small error for the Great Director.

[typhonsentra]

By the way, the scene where Kyon first gets to the station and Haruhi looks at her arm for an extended shot, was their any meaning to that scene other than that she realized she hadn't put her armband on yet? It seemed like a weird scene.

Edit: Didn't notice the hoodie situation, that's a cute touch they added.

I like seeing Haruhi's reactions in this story as Kyon didn't describe most of them in the books. One scene I'm obviously looking forward to has been discussed ad-nauseum but another interesting one will be the one where Koizumi asks to let Kyon take his role for him.

[Triple_R]

I don't know if anybody mentioned this yet, but...

The scene where Haruhi grabs the water bottle from Kyon that Mikuru had offered to him... unlike the tea scene in the last episode, I got a very good sense of Haruhi being jealous of Kyon's attentiveness to Mikuru here. This scene resonated nicely, much like the hoodie one. Actually, of all the Haruhi episodes that I've seen, this one probably captures any potential romance between Haruhi and Kyon as well as any of them does

[Mr Bland]

Nice lack of crippled hands in this episode! :heh: Though I felt bad for Mikuru, especially seeing her with her face on the table so depressingly...

But I couldn't help but laugh. Especially at the guy who snapped a photo of her in the Bunny Girl suit, and Kyon's angry glare back at him.

I hope we get our Mikuru Beam next week, and Yuki tackling Mikuru :D

[Heatth]

I don't know if anybody mentioned this yet, but...

The scene where Haruhi grabs the water bottle from Kyon that Mikuru had offered to him... unlike the tea scene in the last episode, I got a very good sense of Haruhi being jealous of Kyon's attentiveness to Mikuru here. This scene resonated nicely, much like the hoodie one. Actually, of all the Haruhi episodes that I've seen, this one probably captures any potential romance between Haruhi and Kyon as well as any of them does

Yes, it was mentioned. I also commented she rolled her eyes up before explaining, showing she first took the bottle (due to jealous) and then think a reason to have done so.

I like seeing Haruhi's reactions in this story as Kyon didn't describe most of them in the books. One scene I'm obviously looking forward to has been discussed ad-nauseum but another interesting one will be the one where Koizumi asks to let Kyon take his role for him.

Eh, this wasn't already happened, on this very episode (when Mikuru was changing to the bunny suit)? Or you are talking about another scene?

[typhonsentra]

Eh, this wasn't already happened, on this very episode (when Mikuru was changing to the bunny suit)? Or you are talking about another scene?

He gets tired later on and asks Haruhi directly.

[Ithekro]

I seem to recall Haruhi being able to read Kyon's mind being a valid question from before. Especially with the "2mg of confidence" line.

[Heatth]

Especially with the "2mg of confidence" line.

Sorry, but what this mean?

But, yeah, I never thought about Haruhi being able to read Kyon's mind, just he mutter to himself a lot. This episode was strange, however. It could be coincidence, but it would be odd.

I don't remember, but this also happen with another people? Someone other then Haruhi responding to what should be Kyon's narration?

[Triple_R]

Sorry, but what this mean?

But, yeah, I never thought about Haruhi being able to read Kyon's mind, just he mutter to himself a lot. This episode was strange, however. It could be coincidence, but it would be odd.

I don't remember, but this also happen with another people? Someone other then Haruhi responding to what should be Kyon's narration?

I think that I read Koizumi and/or Taniguichi do it once or twice. Haruhi does it a lot in the novels, though.

[Ice Block]

Probably not. They took the care for having Mikuru asking if it is for her pick the gun and then shoot with it. She did the same in the episode00, if it was the second shot, she wouldn't have to ask. It is really a inconsistence, even a minor one.
Hmmm, true. Can't be a perspective illusion coz the script was held to the right of the camera from Mikuru's POV here, while in Ep00 it appears at the bottom right corner (left from Mikuru's POV, meaning the script would have to be held by Kyon or at least pretty close to him).
Another minor trivia, Mikuru's name on her waitress uniform is writen as "みくる"(hiragana). However, the name of the character she is playing is "ミクル"('mikuru' in katakana). A small error for the Great Director.
Yep, and this is also how it was (is) on Ep00. :)
Sorry, but what this mean?

But, yeah, I never thought about Haruhi being able to read Kyon's mind, just he mutter to himself a lot. This episode was strange, however. It could be coincidence, but it would be odd.

I don't remember, but this also happen with another people? Someone other then Haruhi responding to what should be Kyon's narration?
"2 mg of confidence" refers to Haruhi's stare (or whatever it's called) at Kyon during The Day of Sagittarius. And people answering to Kyon's thoughts and internal monologues has been pretty common in the anime too. Rewatch the 2006 version and you'll get a few examples every [other] episode.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Great episode, lots of great bits. liked the reverse angle shots of shooting the commercials, I also liked Haruhi singing her Can Can song. Yeah it did look like it hurt to have that contact lens jammed in there. ouch. I liked Yuki walking in with her costume on. It cut at a weird spot, but it was a better break then last episode, it felt like the ending of chapter to me. Also in the Subs I watched they used the word "Haruhiism" that was kind of cool. Mazui subs I think.

[mikeabundo]

Poor Kyon. Haruhi's messed up his life so badly, he's thinking of just shooting her already.

http://images.plurk.com/641331_01266802466536d29d2e169c7efb4f1f.jpg

(Via Omni (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/08/20/suzumiya-haruhi-2009-21-the-sighs-of-suzumiya-haruhi-ii/).)

[Heatth]

Hmmm, true. Can't be a perspective illusion coz the script was held to the right of the camera from Mikuru's POV here, while in Ep00 it appears at the bottom right corner (left from Mikuru's POV, meaning the script would have to be held by Kyon or at least pretty close to him).

Yeah, it is an error, no doubt. Unless theredo the Episode00 for some reason for this season.

Yep, and this is also how it was (is) on Ep00. :)

"2 mg of confidence" refers to Haruhi's stare (or whatever it's called) at Kyon during The Day of Sagittarius. And people answering to Kyon's thoughts and internal monologues has been pretty common in the anime too. Rewatch the 2006 version and you'll get a few examples every [other] episode.

Ah, thanks (I neverwatch this episode with english subs). I know it happens a lot on 2006. But the only exemples I remember was with Haruhi, and we couldn't see his mouth. Triple_R sais it also happens with Taniguchi and Koizumi, but more with Haruhi.

Maybe is both? Kyon mutter a lot to himself and Haruhi also can ear his thoughts once a while? The evidences are too weak though. But I really don't want to believe Kyoani make so obvious mistake (not that they can't make errors, but not one that is that simple).

[Triple_R]

Poor Kyon. Haruhi's messed up his life so badly, he's thinking of just shooting her already.

http://images.plurk.com/641331_01266802466536d29d2e169c7efb4f1f.jpg

(Via Omni (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/08/20/suzumiya-haruhi-2009-21-the-sighs-of-suzumiya-haruhi-ii/).)

That's how I took that shot too. :heh: Well, either that or he's aiming for her triangular prism with her SOS Brigade Commander status listed on it, symbolizing how he'd love to take her place as the guy running the Brigade.

One thing that I liked about Kyon in this episode is that he showed some real backbone at times. He was, by far, the SOS Brigade member the least cowed by Haruhi in this episode.

[Akka]

That's how I took that shot too. :heh: Well, either that or he's aiming for her triangular prism with her SOS Brigade Commander status listed on it, symbolizing how he'd love to take her place as the guy running the Brigade.
I doubt Kyon ever wish to take Haruhi's place. He was probably simply dreaming of removing the "Bridage Chief" post altogether.
(in other words : "LEAVE ME ALONE YOU GENKI BITCH !" :D)
One thing that I liked about Kyon in this episode is that he showed some real backbone at times. He was, by far, the SOS Brigade member the least cowed by Haruhi in this episode.
0_o

I'm afraid than answering back mildly doesn't equal "getting a backbone". He let Haruhi have her way in every case and form. He was totally meek and submissive in this ep.

[Heatth]

That's how I took that shot too. :heh: Well, either that or he's aiming for her triangular prism with her SOS Brigade Commander status listed on it, symbolizing how he'd love to take her place as the guy running the Brigade.

I think he was aiming the prism. The shot was pretty close.

Post Postum:
I doubt Kyon ever wish to take Haruhi's place. He was probably simply dreaming of removing the "Bridage Chief" post altogether.
(in other words : "LEAVE ME ALONE YOU GENKI BITCH !" :D)

Yeah, something like that.

[Proto]

I'm afraid than answering back mildly doesn't equal "getting a backbone". He let Haruhi have her way in every case and form. He was totally meek and submissive in this ep.

He meant comparatively speaking :p

[Triple_R]

I doubt Kyon ever wish to take Haruhi's place. He was probably simply dreaming of removing the "Bridage Chief" post altogether.
(in other words : "LEAVE ME ALONE YOU GENKI BITCH !" :D)

LOL!




0_o

I'm afraid that answering back mildly doesn't equal "getting a backbone". He let Haruhi have her way in every case and form. He was totally meek and submissive in this ep.

Well, it's not like he can actually stop her. The rest of the SOS Brigade are, frankly, complete pushovers when it comes to Haruhi's wants. :heh: The fact that he voiced some serious objections to some of Haruhi's plans was nice to see in and of itself.

Edit: And yeah, like Proto said, I was comparatively speaking. ;)


I will admit, though, that it's truly pathetic how he puts up with her outrageous financial penalties. There's no way I'd ever pay for the meals of five people simply because I was the person who showed up closest to on time for a scheduled meeting.

[Dakota]

Ok, now that I have watched this episode a few times, I feel useless making a post because all the good details were already brought up/ruined by you guys. Kyon with the gun is probably the most badass thing he will ever do in this series. If it isn't, don't spoil it for me, PLEASE.

[Heatth]

Ok, now that I have watched this episode a few times, I feel useless making a post because all the good details were already brought up/ruined by you guys. Kyon with the gun is probably the most badass thing he will ever do in this series. If it isn't, don't spoil it for me, PLEASE.

Some people count as badass he dodging the first stab from Asakura. He wasn't paing atention (he was actually looking to another side) and she is supposly faster and stronger then he. Also he trying to fight back trowing chairs on her.

[Dakota]

Some people count as badass he dodging the first stab from Asakura. He wasn't paing atention (he was actually looking to another side) and she is supposly faster and stronger then he. Also he trying to fight back trowing chairs on her.

I'd consider that foreplay to an asswhooping. Aaaand, the gun is also fake. But I always go by "guns > knives."

[Triple_R]

Some people count as badass he dodging the first stab from Asakura. He wasn't paing atention (he was actually looking to another side) and she is supposly faster and stronger then he. Also he trying to fight back trowing chairs on her.

On fight boards, that's called SMvFL (Spiderman vs. Firelord - based on a comic book fight that Spidey had no business even being in, let alone actually landing decent blows within). It's short-hand for fight performances that are simply too unbelievable to take seriously.

In reality, Kyon shouldn't have been able to dodge that attack - not if Ryoko was putting everything into it. The fact he did meant that either Ryoko was simply playing with him at first (a distinct possibility), or that it's a SMvFL moment. Either way, it's not really a bad ass moment for me.

Aiming his gun at Haruhi's prism... yeah, that's pretty bad ass. :D At least for him.

[Semantics]

Well, I just thought Haruhi singing the Can-Can melody was absolute win.

And Koizumi's sudden diversification of facial expressions of course.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Seen the ep, was somewhat bored. Will give another chance later.

I always go by "guns > knives."

"Do you want to know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?"

[Dakota]

^ Shut up. You're a witch, not a joker.

[Ithekro]

Always bring a wand to a knife fight. They'll never see it coming when you turn them into newts, than burn them in fire.

[Heatth]

On fight boards, that's called SMvFL (Spiderman vs. Firelord - based on a comic book fight that Spidey had no business even being in, let alone actually landing decent blows within). It's short-hand for fight performances that are simply too unbelievable to take seriously.

In reality, Kyon shouldn't have been able to dodge that attack - not if Ryoko was putting everything into it. The fact he did meant that either Ryoko was simply playing with him at first (a distinct possibility), or that it's a SMvFL moment. Either way, it's not really a bad ass moment for me.

Aiming his gun at Haruhi's prism... yeah, that's pretty bad ass. :D At least for him.

Nono, Kyon reall is that badass. He is John Smith, and thus the most badas person on this world, by Haruhi's mind. By the end he will time traveling aat will, defying uber powerful enttys and fight blue gigants bare handed...

Half joking. I do think he being John Smith make him a badass normal, somehow. This being just SMvFL is more probable, however.

Ah, and I agree with Kotetsu. Knifes are more badass.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It's not just Asakura... Kyon dodges a firework aimed right at his face, too.

That boy is fast.

[GMT]

Just watched this week's The Adventures of Sociopath Sue and the Stockholm Syndrome Band Sighs of Haruhi Suzumiya Part Deux, subbed. In this week's episode, we have:

- More Mikuru molestation cosplay!
- More Mikuru traumatization fanservice!
- More Sociopath Sue Haruhi issuing insane orders to her Stockholm Syndrome Band merry band of misfits!
- Way better animation. Loved the facial expressions, the attention to detail, and the fact that unimportant characters are actually blinking.
- We get a hint that this all just might be Kyon's fault. Hopefully we'll get a flashback to the infamous so-far omitted scene from the start of the Sighs novel. Maybe at the end of the arc.
- Loved Haruhi's enthusiastic singing. And the attention paid to her directing of Mikuru. The crowd that it drew was funny as well.
- The (intentional?) shout-out to Haruhi-chan.
- Maybe if Kyon synched his clothes to Haruhi's more often, she'd offer to pay for more stuff, like the occasional SOS-dan lunch. :heh: How he would accomplish this is an exercise left to the reader.
- Poor Mikuru. Like the droids from Star Wars, it seems to be her lot in life to suffer. At the hands of Haruhi. While Sighs II had many good "LOL IRL" moments, it's at this point I start to feel sorry for the moe-blob.

Another excellent episode.

Coming attractions!

- M . . . M . . . MIKURU BEEEEAM!
- Yuki gets in on the molestation of Mikuru!
- The comical abuse of extras!
- What's this, Kyon vs Haruhi - CAGE DEATHMATCH? Stay tuned!

[Dakota]

- We get a hint that this all just might be Kyon's fault. Hopefully we'll get a flashback to the infamous so-far omitted scene from the start of the Sighs novel. Maybe at the end of the arc.

The greatest stuff always happens last right? ...Oh wait.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Coming attractions!

- M . . . M . . . MIKURU BEEEEAM!
- Yuki gets in on the molestation of Mikuru!
- The comical abuse of extras!
- What's this, Kyon vs Haruhi - CAGE DEATHMATCH? Stay tuned!


Don't forget

The return of Tsuruya, who has been sorely lacking screentime recently.

The greatest stuff always happens last right? ...Oh wait.

That'd be an amusing way to end the arc, actually, since they've already done the Sighs epilogue...

[Triple_R]

Just watched this week's The Adventures of Sociopath Sue and the Stockholm Syndrome Band Sighs of Haruhi Suzumiya Part Deux, subbed. In this week's episode, we have:

- More Mikuru molestation cosplay!
- More Mikuru traumatization fanservice!
- More Sociopath Sue Haruhi issuing insane orders to her Stockholm Syndrome Band merry band of misfits!
- Way better animation. Loved the facial expressions, the attention to detail, and the fact that unimportant characters are actually blinking.
- We get a hint that this all just might be Kyon's fault. Hopefully we'll get a flashback to the infamous so-far omitted scene from the start of the Sighs novel. Maybe at the end of the arc.
- Loved Haruhi's enthusiastic singing. And the attention paid to her directing of Mikuru. The crowd that it drew was funny as well.
- The (intentional?) shout-out to Haruhi-chan.
- Maybe if Kyon synched his clothes to Haruhi's more often, she'd offer to pay for more stuff, like the occasional SOS-dan lunch. :heh: How he would accomplish this is an exercise left to the reader.
- Poor Mikuru. Like the droids from Star Wars, it seems to be her lot in life to suffer. At the hands of Haruhi. While Sighs II had many good "LOL IRL" moments, it's at this point I start to feel sorry for the moe-blob.

Another excellent episode.

Coming attractions!

- M . . . M . . . MIKURU BEEEEAM!
- Yuki gets in on the molestation of Mikuru!
- The comical abuse of extras!
- What's this, Kyon vs Haruhi - CAGE DEATHMATCH? Stay tuned!


Awesome post. I especially like your strike-out names. :heh:

[Heatth]

- The (intentional?) shout-out to Haruhi-chan.

I missed it. Where it is?

Funny (and truely) post, anyway.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I missed it. Where it is?

It's that kid asking his mother who the strange people are, and his mom telling him not to look.

[sarahwest]

I missed it. Where it is?

Funny (and truely) post, anyway. was it during the first commercial shooting? :)

[Heatth]

It's that kid asking his mother who the strange people are, and his mom telling him not to look.

Ah. It was probably intentional, then. I don't believe it was in the novel (it was very funny, anyway)

Thanks.

[Texas84]

Fun episode. When I saw the animation I thought for a second that was a re-run. But there were a few K-On flashes in there. The guys loading the guns was hilarious!

[Sute443]

And thanks to Umineko, I kept yelling at Koizumi to "DENY THE WITCH, DENY HER IN BLUE" when WitchYuki first showed up... -_-

Dammit, Kaisos! I'm already having dreams about Umineko; must you bring it up at every opportunity? My mind is making up new mysteries for me to try and solve.

btw, do we even need spoiler tags? We already know the finished product (episode 00)

I'd say we still need them. Not everyone knows how the path to making the final product will go.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I'd say we still need them. Not everyone knows how the path to making the final product will go.

Taniguchi falls into water! Shamisen talks!! They film on the school's roof!!! Inexplicable cherry blossoms in fall!!!! Tsuruya returns in this story!!!!! Mi-mi-MIKURU BEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!!!!!!

[Kaisos Erranon]

Dammit, Kaisos! I'm already having dreams about Umineko; must you bring it up at every opportunity? My mind is making up new mysteries for me to try and solve.

I'm very sorry.

Taniguchi falls into water! Shamisen talks!! They film on the school's roof!!! Inexplicable cherry blossoms in fall!!!! Tsuruya returns in this story!!!!! Mi-mi-MIKURU BEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!!!!!!

They don't know about -that scene-, though.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Hence why I didn't bring it up. I just got the non-spoilers out of the way. :p

[GDB]

I just want Tsuruya's histerical laughing and "zombie mode" again. That'll be the highlight of this "season" for me.

[Ithekro]

They filmed things way out of order it looks like. But then Yuki and Mikuru haven't even had a line of dialogue for the film yet. Just part of the commercials (in movie commercials I guess were filmed later), and some Mikuru action stuff. Of course they'll need to get more than one take of Mikuru using the guns. One for her firing, one for the closeup of the guns. One of Yuki deflecting the "bullets", and then the two takes for MIKURU BEEEAM!

Still would be funny if this ends with Haruhi turning on the projector.

[Triple_R]

Always bring a wand to a knife fight. They'll never see it coming when you turn them into newts, than burn them in fire.

My new avatar approves this message. :D


I'm very sorry.



So... let's see if I can keep this straight.

In Kaisosworld, red means "Always True", and green means "Always Insane", is that correct?

As a Canadian, I think that's kind of cool. It means that the Red-Green show is both always true, yet also always insane. :D

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'm just looking forward to next week. That's when the awesome really starts to kick in.


In Kaisosworld, red means "Always True", and green means "Always Insane", is that correct?

The Red Truth thing is from Umineko, actually.

I came up with the Greentext long before I played Umineko, amusingly enough... of course, Umineko has had a long-term effect on how I write.


As a Canadian, I think that's kind of cool. It means that the Red-Green show is both always true, yet also always insane. :D

That show isn't even Canadian. :heh:

[Rice_slayer]

I watched the subs, I can feel Kyon's anger building, much like anakin skywalker :P. I can't wait for a few more episodes, No Mikuru beam this episode, I expect it in the next one :). 10/10, good episodes finally!

[Triple_R]

I'm just looking forward to next week. That's when the awesome really starts to kick in.

It's funny... you were really dreading this arc, but now you're totally into it. Haruhi's movie-making abilities really are quite magical, aren't they? ;)


The Red Truth thing is from Umineko, actually.

I came up with the Greentext long before I played Umineko, amusingly enough... of course, Umineko has had a long-term effect on how I write.

Thanks for the background info. I probably should start watching Umineko now that you mention it.


That show isn't even Canadian. :heh:

Au contraire, mon ami!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Green_Show

[arcticphoenix16]

Great episode! Feel like season 1 again.

Mikuru: You can drink from this if you don't mind
Kyon: <OH HELL YEAH>
Haruhi: *cockblock*
Kyon: -_-

[typhonsentra]

No, it's definitely not in the novel's version of that scene.

And no, it's not that kid. That kid wears thick glasses.

You get to see the kid who was with his mom watching them film the commercial? I thought it was all off-screen and I brought it up only because it's stated later that he saw Mikuru in the bunny costume while filming, which is only during the commercials and one other short scene before she goes to her room to change in the movie.

[Kaisos Erranon]

You get to see the kid who was with his mom watching them film the commercial? I thought it was all off-screen and I brought it up only because it's stated later that he saw Mikuru in the bunny costume while filming, which is only during the commercials and one other short scene before she goes to her room to change in the movie.

Really. I forgot about that.

Yeah, must be that kid then.

[risingstar3110]

Oh.... how come there's people reject our God Empress's cuteness. Damn you Kyon, you are the one that i feels jealous to the most :D

I bet Haruhi is still denying her affection, but she made up quite good reasons to lie to herself and people around for that(at the hood screen, she probably think "Kyon, good, you matching my outfit, very subordinate-like, i guess i can spoil you and pay the bus fee....").

That's why we are Haruhiist and all love Haruhi ^^

[Roger Rambo]

Huh, I didn't notice the hoodie thing until several people pointed it out.

Haruhi sure picks up on odd things.

[ac195]

...(at the hood screen, she probably think "Kyon, good, you matching my outfit, very subordinate-like, i guess i can spoil you and pay the bus fee....").

It's more like a his/hers match up rather than a superior/subordinate pairing that's making her smile.

[Triple_R]

Huh, I didn't notice the hoodie thing until several people pointed it out.

Haruhi sure picks up on odd things.

Well, she always has had a real eye for aesthetic detail.

What this arc is really showing me is just how quickly she gets jealous of Kyon/Mikuru being attentive/nice to one another.

She definitely has a big crush on Kyon...

...

...

...

... or Mikuru. ;)

[Ithekro]

Not "or Mikuru" it is "and Mikuru"

[brocko]

Crush, if you mean crushing her emotional and physical health kind of crush then yea Haruhi crushes on Mikuru :heh:

lol =P

[Triple_R]

Not "or Mikuru" it is "and Mikuru"

Crush, if you mean crushing her emotional and physical health kind of crush then yea Haruhi crushes on Mikuru :heh:

lol =P

Both very funny replies! Your pun was fantastic, brocko. :D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

She definitely has a big crush on Kyon...

...

...

...

... or Mikuru. ;)

Not "or Mikuru" it is "and Mikuru"

As Kaisos would say... "TENDENCIES!" :heh:

[KaneDragon]

Yes! Yes! Yes! The moving, blinking, audibly talking background characters are back! I wonder what was the gist of that balloon conversation...? :heh:
I know better, but those balloons still seemed awfully ominous. :heh:

Huh, I didn't notice the hoodie thing until several people pointed it out.
I didn't understand the bus fare thing, either. I played that scene three times trying to figure out why but failed to notice that it was the matching hoodies. I just played the scene again, and still can't really see it. :p

(Looks at Saimoe signature and coughs quietly ;))

[Heatth]

The hoodie thing it is not in the book. It was Tanigawa doing again (the script include what the characters do?)? Or it was invention of the animation staff?

[Daniel Lind]

Now that I think about it, with the pace they've taken, they have to fit lots of thing in following 3 episodes. And it won't be particulary easy.

[TubZzz]

nicely done

[Airman8]

I seem to recall Haruhi being able to read Kyon's mind being a valid question from before. Especially with the "2mg of confidence" line.

I always took this as a quirk of Tanigawa's writing, or Kyon's storytelling, however you want to look at it. It's often very unclear, especially in the novels, whether Kyon is actually saying his thoughts out loud, whether he's not saying anything at all and his expression gives it away (the tree scene in Live a Live is a great example), or whether he is just mumbling to himself and Haruhi gets an inkling of it.

I think it's a creative way on Tanigawa's part to work the chemistry between Haruhi and Kyon through this unreliable narration. They seem to have insight into each other without always having to say anything. You notice how much Kyon actually does think about Haruhi, even if he doesn't seem to realize it himself. I've seen people doubting Kyon's feelings for Haruhi, but I think his constant remarks about her pouting her lips like a duck (among other animals) show it very well. :D

[Airman8]

Really. I forgot about that.

Yeah, must be that kid then.

whoa, I have to re-watch this scene

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I always took this as a quirk of Tanigawa's writing, or Kyon's storytelling, however you want to look at it. It's often very unclear, especially in the novels, whether Kyon is actually saying his thoughts out loud, whether he's not saying anything at all and his expression gives it away (the tree scene in Live a Live is a great example), or whether he is just mumbling to himself and Haruhi gets an inkling of it.

For added fun: Pretend Kyon actually says everything that isn't attributed to someone else. As in, he narrates his own life as it happens, out loud. And people wonder why Haruhi doesn't take the guy seriously, he's been rambling on about how Nagato's an alien for months. :heh: (Note: This obviously only applies to the novels.)

[Mecha_Trueno]

Holy crap! Until you guys mentioned this, it totally didn't occur to me that it could (and most likely) be that kid. The fact that it took place off-screen makes it all the more likely.

So that I don't have to check through episode 00, can anyone confirm all the scenes where Mikuru-chan is wearing the bunny-girl suit? For all we know, it doesn't necessarily have to be from this part of the filming. After all, we were only told:"When we filmed that movie in autumn, he just so happened to be nearby. He had a really deep impression of Mikuru-chan in a bunny suit."
... not stating where in particular....... or was it ONLY in the shopping hall where she was wearing the bunny-girl suit? If so, then its DEFINITELY that kid!

[kujoe]

Oh man, did I feel sorry for Mikuru in this one. She was placed into all those situations, and Haruhi was being such a slavedriver to boot.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

As far as I can remember, she only wears the bunnygirl suit in that area. Doesn't necessarily mean the two kids are the same, though, as the only thing they recorded there so far were the commercials.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Doesn't necessarily mean the two kids are the same, though, as the only thing they recorded there so far were the commercials.But its SOOOO typical of Kyoani to throw in something ambiguous like this to mind f*ck the fans:heh:

Btw, is this the same shopping hall where...they go to buy the tea leaves? Throughout this episode and last week's, I was actually trying to spot any signs of that shop in the background:p

[wtfftw]

boring as hell

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I'd like to make a correction to my previous post, having just finished rewatching the "movie": There was a scene with Mikuru in the bunny girl outfit that took place in the middle of a street in what looked like a residential area.

[zriL]

If you are talking about the kid whose his mom says "don't look at them", it happens before mikuru changes to bunny girl, so it can't be that kid

But if the novel tell us that :

"When we filmed that movie in autumn, he just so happened to be nearby. He had a really deep impression of Mikuru-chan in a bunny suit."

It could be the guy who's taking a photo with his phone. Though he may be not young enough.

Tell me if I misunderstood what you were saying :rolleyes:

[Mecha_Trueno]

If you are talking about the kid whose his mom says "don't look at them", it happens before mikuru changes to bunny girl, so it can't be that kid

But if the novel tell us that :

"When we filmed that movie in autumn, he just so happened to be nearby. He had a really deep impression of Mikuru-chan in a bunny suit."

It could be the guy who's taking a photo with his phone. Though he may be not young enough.

Tell me if I misunderstood what you were saying :rolleyes:Oh yeah... after rewatching that scene, it did happen while she was still in the waitress outfit. But then we can't rule out the possibility that he stuck around for little longer.

[Myssa Rei]

Well, it's VERY close now in feel to S1, though the more current KyoAni preferred art style still appeared here and there. Which makes me wonder if they'll redraw many of the scenes for the DVD releases, like they did with Nanoha? The original Haruhi DVDs only fixed minor details from the first airing...

As for the episode itself, Haruhi isn't quite the slave driving dick she was in the book... Yet. We'll see next episode, oh yeess...

[Ascaloth]

Episode 21 article is up:

[RIUVA] Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu (2009), Episode 21: Suzumiya Haruhi no Tameiki II (http://www.riuva.com/?p=1485)

It's actually seems as if the Sighs arc is getting up to speed now feel-wise. 8/10.

[TMSIDR]

After reading the whole thread I can't add anything new. I got thw whole indirect kiss scene but didn't discover the hoodie scene, so this is really a gret episode about the chemistry of Kyon and Haruhi.

I also must also say that animations are better and only Haruhi sometimes bothers me with her K-On! look, but at least she looks a lot cuter this way if she wants to.

If the quality stays this high for this arc and if Disappearance makes it appearance soon, I'm completely satisfied with Kadokawa's and KyoAni's actions in the past :) .

[bladeofdarkness]

just finished watching the ep
i have to say that the animation has improved considerably since the last ep
in ep 10 the animation felt stale for some reason
the entire classroom scene didnt seem right, like the characters werent as "alive" as normal
this ep fixed this problem considerably
the characters felt alive again, moving in small but subtle ways that made them seem like people rather then animated figures on the screen
the scene when they meet before going to film the movie in praticular (when haruhi sees they are dressed similarly) felt much better, and the characters felt more alive

[Roger Rambo]

Animation definitely seems to have improved...

Of course it remains to be seen if this will remain a constant.

[Ithekro]

Perhaps they are going for a "Haruhi reorders the world back to the way it was" over the course of this arc?

[Sute443]

Perhaps they are going for a "Haruhi reorders the world back to the way it was" over the course of this arc?

Are you suggesting that a return to the old art style will be one of the changes Haruhi gradually causes over the course of this arc? And that it will be attributed to her out-of-universe? I find that possibility rather unpleasant. Those who have read the novel should know why.

[-Sho-]

Yeah , this episode was below average . Not very entertaining . Hmmm , the second season suck compared to Season 1 .
Ahah , Haruhi was jealous when Mikuru shared her bottle to Kyon .

[ReneeBurossamu]

I watched this episode with subs. Again, it was great.
Also I am reminded of why I temporarily stopped watching in season one. Haruhi is a bitch who gets everything she wants. I'm also starting to dislike Kyon a little more. He should grow some balls already. (actually this goes for everyone else in the brigade too)
Or kiss her if that's what the OTP people are saying. But I'd rather have the first option.

[Heatth]

I watched this episode with subs. Again, it was great.
Also I am reminded of why I temporarily stopped watching in season one. Haruhi is a bitch who gets everything she wants. I'm also starting to dislike Kyon a little more. He should grow some balls already. (actually this goes for everyone else in the brigade too)
Or kiss her if that's what the OTP people are saying. But I'd rather have the first option.

The rest of the brigade have an excuse, at last. They can't go agains Haruhi. It is their job just stay quiet and see what happens.

You are correct about Kyon, though. There is, more or less, a reason fo he don't do anything. Which don't make it better.

[Sackett]

Just watched this week's The Adventures of Sociopath Sue and the Stockholm Syndrome Band Sighs of Haruhi Suzumiya Part Deux, subbed. In this week's episode, we have:

- More Mikuru molestation cosplay!
- More Mikuru traumatization fanservice!
- More Sociopath Sue Haruhi issuing insane orders to her Stockholm Syndrome Band merry band of misfits!
- Way better animation. Loved the facial expressions, the attention to detail, and the fact that unimportant characters are actually blinking.
- We get a hint that this all just might be Kyon's fault. Hopefully we'll get a flashback to the infamous so-far omitted scene from the start of the Sighs novel. Maybe at the end of the arc.
- Loved Haruhi's enthusiastic singing. And the attention paid to her directing of Mikuru. The crowd that it drew was funny as well.
- The (intentional?) shout-out to Haruhi-chan.
- Maybe if Kyon synched his clothes to Haruhi's more often, she'd offer to pay for more stuff, like the occasional SOS-dan lunch. :heh: How he would accomplish this is an exercise left to the reader.
- Poor Mikuru. Like the droids from Star Wars, it seems to be her lot in life to suffer. At the hands of Haruhi. While Sighs II had many good "LOL IRL" moments, it's at this point I start to feel sorry for the moe-blob.

Another excellent episode.

Coming attractions!

- M . . . M . . . MIKURU BEEEEAM!
- Yuki gets in on the molestation of Mikuru!
- The comical abuse of extras!
- What's this, Kyon vs Haruhi - CAGE DEATHMATCH? Stay tuned!


Best summary of the show so far

[Jonbob0008]

I don't know if anyone else caught it, but I did spot one moment of art fail. Take a look at Haruhi's legs during the beginning of the episode, while she's sitting on the train. They look funny to me.

[Akka]

I watched this episode with subs. Again, it was great.
Also I am reminded of why I temporarily stopped watching in season one. Haruhi is a bitch who gets everything she wants. I'm also starting to dislike Kyon a little more. He should grow some balls already. (actually this goes for everyone else in the brigade too)
Or kiss her if that's what the OTP people are saying. But I'd rather have the first option.
That was exactly my thoughts too, though I could still finish and appreciate the first season. But I really, really hoped for some HARD comeuppance on Haruhi too.

I still hope :D

[mokuseimaru]

On fight boards, that's called SMvFL (Spiderman vs. Firelord - based on a comic book fight that Spidey had no business even being in, let alone actually landing decent blows within). It's short-hand for fight performances that are simply too unbelievable to take seriously.

In reality, Kyon shouldn't have been able to dodge that attack - not if Ryoko was putting everything into it. The fact he did meant that either Ryoko was simply playing with him at first (a distinct possibility), or that it's a SMvFL moment. Either way, it's not really a bad ass moment for me.

Aiming his gun at Haruhi's prism... yeah, that's pretty bad ass. :D At least for him.

Ryoko probably wanted the whole thing to look natural, and if she had stabbed him at warp speed the coroner's office probably would have noticed. Her intention was to freak Haruhi out by killing off the only person she seemed attached to, not by tipping her off that there was a whole other world hiding just behind the surface of her reality.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Her intention was to freak Haruhi out by killing off the only person she seemed attached to, not by tipping her off that there was a whole other world hiding just behind the surface of her reality.

But that's not interesting! A murder mystery has to have some unusual quality to it. Otherwise it's just Psycho A killing Victim B!

[Heatth]

But that's not interesting! A murder mystery has to have some unusual quality to it. Otherwise it's just Psycho A killing Victim B!

It wasn't the mystery that was important. But the victim. For Ryouko it doesn't matter if she be caught after. She wanted to see Haruhi's reaction to Kyon's death. Otherwise, she could just have killed anyone else.

I don't know if she being faster then she should be would be any difference, though. She probably had enough control over her body to stop stabing he just at the point it is physically possible.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Bah, you have no artistic flair. Just killing Kyon would result in a sudden spike of activity, but it'd go away after a while. A supernatural mystery would keep Haruhi actively searching for whatever caused the problem until it was solved.

[Jintor]

That 'sudden spike of activity' is all that Ryoko really wanted.

"Dear Diary. Mood: Apathetic. Subject isn't goddamn doing anything."

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

That 'sudden spike of activity' is all that Ryoko really wanted.

And then what? If they don't get what they need, there was no point to killing Kyon.

"Dear Diary. Mood: Apathetic. Subject isn't goddamn doing anything."

... And now I'm picturing Asakura singing The Emo Song... thanks for that. :heh:

[Heatth]

And then what? If they don't get what they need, there was no point to killing Kyon.

'The what' is exactly what she wants to know right? She just wanted something to happen, anything. What come latter she thinks latter.

"Dear Diary. Mood: Apathetic. Subject isn't goddamn doing anything."

Is because of that I am actually very sympathetic for Ryouko. She clearly didn't have much developed emotions, like Yuki at the begining. But she was alive and was really frustrated. I wonder how she would become if she decided to wait a little more. It is a pitty she is dead, it would be cool see her again. Her, no a dimencional conter part... (like the Yuki(chan)verse one)

[Jintor]

And then what? If they don't get what they need, there was no point to killing Kyon.



You heard her. She just wanted anything to happen, because nothing was happening.

[DJ Trouble]

Bah, you have no artistic flair. Just killing Kyon would result in a sudden spike of activity, but it'd go away after a while. A supernatural mystery would keep Haruhi actively searching for whatever caused the problem until it was solved.

Does Haruhi really seem like the type to agonize over something for long periods of time? The way she handled that case with the president of the computer club makes me think she'd get over the why if she couldn't readily figure it out.

[GDB]

She doesn't give a crap about the Computer Club President though.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It is a pitty she is dead, it would be cool see her again. Her, no a dimencional conter part... (like the Yuki(chan)verse one)

It always did seem like a waste of a character. Sure, she's an the Uncanny Valley Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UncannyValleyGirl), but that doesn't mean she absolutely had to be killed off after being upgraded from supporting cast. :heh:

Does Haruhi really seem like the type to agonize over something for long periods of time? The way she handled that case with the president of the computer club makes me think she'd get over the why if she couldn't readily figure it out.

That's quite a bit different. Haruhi has little to no connection to the CCP, you can't really say the same thing about Kyon, even back in Melancholy. Also, the CCP just disappeared, Kyon would be dead in this scenario. Try comparing it more to the LIS "murder" mystery, only with the added fact that it's someone close to her.






Anyway, Asakura isn't in this episode, so why are we talking about her? :heh:

[Heatth]

It always did seem like a waste of a character. Sure, she's an the Uncanny Valley Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UncannyValleyGirl), but that doesn't mean she absolutely had to be killed off after being upgraded from supporting cast. :heh:

Totally agree. Ashakura, Achakura and Yuky(chan)verse!Asakura are not enough because they miss what makes Ryouko interesting in the first place. Btw, I believe this trope was created fer her, and then people start to add exemples.

Anyway, Asakura isn't in this episode, so why are we talking about her? :heh:

True. Then, how about Kyon's and Haruhi's name being displaced on the credit? Anyone have a Guess about what it means? Also, what was the symbolism in Haruhi's name be geting alway from the rest of the Brigades on the Endless Eight?

[DJ Trouble]

I'm looking at the victim and the mystery as two separate motivators for Haruhi. I thought the whole point was that they were two separate things. Mixing them together doesn't really do it for me. Involving Kyon is obviously gonna get her interested, but that doesn't mean she'll care forever and ever and ever . . .

As for the island murder, a closed circle mystery is a little different than a high school murder. There's only so many suspects with one, while the other would be a little overwhelming for a high schooler to try and solve when dealing against a data manipulating specialist.

[mokuseimaru]

If Kyon was suddenly murdered, there might be no need to worry about how long Haruhi's reaction would last, because she would very likely destroy and or recreate the world/universe. That in itself would probably give Asakura enough data to sate her appetite for a while.

[risingstar3110]

That was exactly my thoughts too, though I could still finish and appreciate the first season. But I really, really hoped for some HARD comeuppance on Haruhi too.

I still hope
Well i think Haruhi's great the way she is. Her personality and her character development are her charms and are what make her my favourite character of all time .

Just realise that my POV in Haruhi is always quite similar to Itsuki's

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Bah, you have no artistic flair. Just killing Kyon would result in a sudden spike of activity, but it'd go away after a while. A supernatural mystery would keep Haruhi actively searching for whatever caused the problem until it was solved.

If it goes away, She just needs to be "stimulated" again. Asakura isn't interested in studying Haruhi forever; she wants to see hight level magic acts that can be studied, and the more extreme the better. Much of Haruhi's divine actions are actually within the capability of the Data Overmind, so they couldn't learn new things quickly if she just do parlor tricks like making flowers bloom in the wrong season overnight.

[GMT]

If Kyon was suddenly murdered, there might be no need to worry about how long Haruhi's reaction would last, because she would very likely destroy and or recreate the world/universe. That in itself would probably give Asakura enough data to sate her appetite for a while.
"Aha! So this is where Haruhi Suzumiya keeps her saved games universe backup states. Fascinating.

Next time on the Ryoko Asakura Hour let's find out what happens if Kyon were to be attacked by bear cavalry!"

[Triple_R]

Well i think Haruhi's great the way she is. Her personality and her character development are her charms and are what make her my favourite character of all time .


I pretty much agree. :)

I just finished writing a blog entry on just this topic (while also looking at this episode just a little bit).

It's called "Playing Haruhi's Advocate".

Here it is, if anybody wants a read:

http://assessingtheanime.blogspot.com/2009/08/playing-haruhis-advocate.html

[Never Knows Best]

<3 Evangelion references.

[CrowKenobi]

Well, once again: a.f.k. sub is out if anyone missed it. :D :p

Nice episode once the dialogue was understood... Taniguichi's question to Kyon about what Haruhi is going to do was hilarious as to how he narrowed down his options. :heh:

[chikorita157]

The animation is alot better than the last episode, but it's still lacking compared to the first season since it still looks like K-ON! KADOKAWA and Kyoani, get with the program... It's NOT K-ON!.... K-ON! art style only works great with K-ON! only IMO, don't put it in Haruhi... it makes the impression of the show not as good as it supposed to...

The good thing is that this episode was alot more enjoyable than the last... more so with the filming scenes with Mikuru... Otherwise, this episode is good, but the art style needs work... perhaps reverting back to the orginal art style?

Rating:
7.6/10 -> 8/10

Reaction Blog Post to Episode 11 (http://chikorita157.net84.net/anime/blog/?p=1728)

[ac195]

...but the art style needs work... perhaps reverting back to the orginal art style?

Rating:
7.6/10 -> 8/10

Reaction Blog Post to Episode 11 (http://chikorita157.net84.net/anime/blog/?p=1728)

Times change... styles often get a modernized retuning or streamlining... get used to it.

[OkamiNoKaze]

It's my understanding they decided to go with this style for Haruhi before or about the same time as working on K-On, I could really be wrong though.

[Heminga13]

It's my understanding they decided to go with this style for Haruhi before or about the same time as working on K-On, I could really be wrong though.

I think so, too. It's just that K-ON used a style similar to it (maybe intentionally, maybe not) and aired before we got to see it before the new episodes of this airing. We saw K-ON animated with it first and therefore Haruhi gets compared to it instead of K-ON's animation being compared to Haruhi.

[risingstar3110]

I think so, too. It's just that K-ON used a style similar to it (maybe intentionally, maybe not) and aired before we got to see it before the new episodes of this airing. We saw K-ON animated with it first and therefore Haruhi gets compared to it instead of K-ON's animation being compared to Haruhi.
Now when we talk about it, it start to remind me of how back in the 1st Ep of K-on, i found it's "strange" that i keep seeing a younger Haruhi in Nodoka and Ritsu...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I never really saw it in Nodoka... but Ritsu came off as a blatant Haru-clone. :heh:

[Friday]

we are watching the prequel to the movie.......are we???

[Midonin]

It's closer to a Making Of.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Truthfully, we probably should've seen this first... can't be helped, I guess. :heh:

[Heatth]

Seeing the movie first is funnier, however.

[Mecha_Trueno]

Well, once again: a.f.k. sub is out if anyone missed it. :D :p

Nice episode once the dialogue was understood... Taniguichi's question to Kyon about what Haruhi is going to do was hilarious as to how he narrowed down his options. :heh:Its the "and the other guy is kinda creepy" part that made me LOL:D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

He is creepy. That's the point. :heh:

[Heminga13]

Itsuki's not creepy....stupid Taniguchi...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

A guy who smiles constantly, always agrees with everything Haruhi says, and spouts pointless philosophical drivel at any chance isn't creepy? :heh:

[Heminga13]

People just don't understand him like I do. He and I are best friends. :)

...what's with the weird looks?

[Heatth]

People just don't understand him like I do. He and I are best friends. :)

This probably just mean you are creepy :p. Or, at last very weird.

[Daniel Lind]

"K-On!" again.
Kyon, Itsuki and Yuki, as well as everyone else, weren't changed that much to really make a fuss out of it.
Mikuru was moe'd up, but then again, she is intended as moe, after all!
The only big controversial change is Haruhi herself.

Then again, was she really as sharp and witty as they were trying to depict her in 2006 look? ~_~

[Heatth]

"K-On!" again.
Kyon, Itsuki and Yuki, as well as everyone else, weren't changed that much to really make a fuss out of it.

I disagree here. Yuki gained many levels in cuteness. I don't really think it is a good thing. Yuki from Eipsode00 seemed more creepier whith here wicth cosplay then she is now. I have no problem with her being pretier in other shots, however :rolleyes: She had some ugly shots on season1.

Also, as someone have already pointed, Kyon's range of expression is far bigger now. Don't know if it is a good thing (nor if is a bad thing).

I agree with you about Haruhi, however.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Though upon watching the A.F.K version I notice Haruhi's Yui-iness nearly disappears when she's in profile and at least she has a nose unlike the K-On characters.

Also Itsuki always gave me a Kaworu vibe anyway, I think that's why I don't trust him completely.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Yuki gained many levels in cuteness. I don't really think it is a good thing. Yuki from Eipsode00 seemed more creepier whith here wicth cosplay then she is now. I have no problem with her being pretier in other shots, however :rolleyes: She had some ugly shots on season1.

. . . I should hit you for this... :heh:

[Mecha_Trueno]

btw, is it just me, or does everyone else feel that Taniguchi deserves more than just the "main character's best friend(s)" role?:D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

If it weren't for Tsuruya taking the role, he'd be the ensemble darkhorse. :heh:

[brocko]

btw, is it just me, or does everyone else feel that Taniguchi deserves more than just the "main character's best friend(s)" role?:D

Taniguchi's already the wawawa guy though :heh:

But yes, more Taniguchi and Tsuruya would be more than welcomed :p

[Friday]

we are watching the prequel to the movie.......are we???

It's closer to a Making Of.

Truthfully, we probably should've seen this first... can't be helped, I guess. :heh:

Seeing the movie first is funnier, however.

well this should be interesting......:uhoh:

[risingstar3110]

People just don't understand him like I do. He and I are best friends. :)

...what's with the weird looks?
Not "best friend" but i like Itsuki as well, pretty much my 2nd favourite character in SOS Brigade (exclude the ordinary narrator Kyon xD)....

The actual order would be: Haruhi>>> Itsuki> Mikuru> Yuki
( sorry Yuki's fan, didn't read the novel so she did't get any points yet except the fighting scree in Ep 5 D: )

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... My only problem is that you have Mikuru above her...

[risingstar3110]

... My only problem is that you have Mikuru above her...
Why not? She's cute, and then she have her older sister future self so you can see more of her character development. She's also the centre of Kyon+ Haruhi's slice of life events.....

Actually Mikuru was in the bottom of the list until season 2 the rerun aired, when she suddenly become more moe....

[Friday]

For the 2nd CM, in Ep 00, you see Mikuru going forward to read the script and receive the rifle on Kyon's right whereas in this one, you see Mikuru doing the same things on Kyon's left.

*sigh* :heh:

they screwed up there!!!!
I was watching it and said to myself....thats not right!!!!!
saw the original and confirmed it....
how could they screwed that up!!!!

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Why not? She's cute, and then she have her older sister future self so you can see more of her character development. She's also the centre of Kyon+ Haruhi's slice of life events.....

Big Mikuru I like. Hardly consider the small one the center of anything, though, aside from most of Haruhi's ebil skeemz and the parts of Kyon's narration I wish they would skip over. :heh:

Actually Mikuru was in the bottom of the list until season 2 the rerun aired, when she suddenly become more moe....

Judging from most people's reactions, the same could be said of Nagato.

[kniteowl]

My 2nd watch of Sighs II, with afk subs, I just realized that all of Kyon's thoughts are subtitled with Italics, it makes it so much easier to understand which lines of speech are his thoughts and which are him speaking.

Did they do this with the older 2006 episodes, because I don't remember... maybe because I saw the anime before reading the novels in 2006 so I wasn't too concerned about it.

I just realized the balloons and pebbles in this episode a lot too, are they trying to stretch Sighs out for what left of the season? hm...

[prnoct90]

they screwed up there!!!!
I was watching it and said to myself....thats not right!!!!!
saw the original and confirmed it....
how could they screwed that up!!!!

OR, Haruhi magically flipped that part of the video in post-production using her special powers.

[risingstar3110]

Judging from most people's reactions, the same could be said of Nagato.
To me, up to this episode of rerun, Yuki's most significant moments would be when she take of her glasses in RBL. But other than that (and maybe the moment when she looks bored at the pool) I hardly can remember any other moments....

Could be because when you have interests on someone, you tend to focus more on her lines and movement......

[spawnofthejudge]

Also, what was the symbolism in Haruhi's name be geting alway from the rest of the Brigades on the Endless Eight?I noticed this too. Haruhi's name moved to the left and Kyon's to the right, IIRC (I'm at work). If they continue a pattern for Sighs III, it'll be easier to see.

With this and the Haruhi separation from E8, I wonder what the point of the ED Cast credit manipulations are.

[Heatth]

To me, up to this episode of rerun, Yuki's most significant moments would be when she take of her glasses in RBL. But other than that (and maybe the moment when she looks bored at the pool) I hardly can remember any other moments....

Could be because when you have interests on someone, you tend to focus more on her lines and movement......

No, Yuki is really very different from the old episodes. Old Yuki had many ugly shots, while I have yet to see one from the new Yuki. Old Yuki had some pretty shots too, obviously, specially when is a important scene for her (Sagitarius'sv end, vs Asakura 'I love you' on the Lone Island...), but is adifferent kind of pretty. I would say that, indeed, new Yuki is more moe.

The better way to see that is her with the witch outfist. Ths episode she only see 'creppy' when her eyes are hidden, while the old ones have a more distint feeling.

I don't see anyproblem with a more moe Yuki :rolleyes:. However, I really don't think it fit to the witch costume. She was soppose to look creepy here. (and I actually like her old pretty but not moe self too)

Post Postum:
I noticed this too. Haruhi's name moved to the left and Kyon's to the right, IIRC (I'm at work). If they continue a pattern for Sighs III, it'll be easier to see.

With this and the Haruhi separation from E8, I wonder what the point of the ED Cast credit manipulations are.

Oh, I am gald someone actually read my post :p. This time is probably to enphasize Kyon and Haruhi going in different ways. Being no more as in agreement as in Melancholly. This is kinda spoiler-ifc, though.

[Malkuth]

Dunno, maybe it is the K-ON! influence, maybe I tend to compare with the awesome ep.00, maybe it's reflex from E8, maybe it is in a way E8 since they have animated most these stuff from another POV in ep.00 ... but certainly the most annoying thing is that there will be no Disappearance anytime soon ... great :(

But certainly the studio must stick to material for SaiMoe and leave Haruhi to someone else. I withhold my opinion on the publishing house, because if I express it blatantly, I will probably get banned :uhoh:

[Ithekro]

I'm pretty sure they started changing things long before they produced K-On. You can see the changes in the "real form" points in Haruh-chan before they made K-On, and in some of the promotional art that is even earlier.

People just need to get use to use and not let there personal dislike of K-On interfere with their judgment of Haruhi. I like the changes so far. The only one the seems remotely off is Haruhi herself, and it is scattered offness. Everyone else seems to have improved.

[OkamiNoKaze]

I also noticed the K-On influence mostly disappears when the characters are in profile, and even then at least they still have a bit of a nose.

[Dakota]

I think I might be the only one in the world who doesn't mind that the K-On! influence, because they all look goofy/adorable as hell, and it makes me laugh.

It's a comedy, right? Right?

[Vexx]

I'm kind of mixed.... I really liked the sharpness of the first season art and character design (especially the eyes). And frankly, I liked the art style used on K-On! for K-On! ... it worked with the sort of humor that K-On! had. (I liked K-ON! reasonably well... its only crime was being a bit average).

But it doesn't work as well for this type of show (Haruhi) where drama and tension are as important as any humor. Perhaps if they tuned the art depending on the mood like some shows do (rather like a very mild form of hyperdeformation)?

Mikuru and Yuki seem to benefit somewhat on average from the new style... less so for the guys and Haruhi.

[Heatth]

But it doesn't work as well for this type of show (Haruhi) where drama and tension are as important as any humor. Perhaps if they tuned the art depending on the mood like some shows do (rather like a very mild form of hyperdeformation)?

Might be that. These first episodes (EE and Sighs part I and II) have a really light tone, so the new art is not really a problem. It will be, however,on part III or/and IV. Lets wait and see how they are doing it.

[Kaisos Erranon]

But it doesn't work as well for this type of show (Haruhi) where drama and tension are as important as any humor. Perhaps if they tuned the art depending on the mood like some shows do (rather like a very mild form of hyperdeformation)?


Haruhi is above using general anime stylistic effects. :heh: One of the reasons I originally liked it.

Shame it doesn't use pratfalls though.

[Vexx]

Haruhi is above using general anime stylistic effects. :heh: One of the reasons I originally liked it.

Shame it doesn't use pratfalls though.
Agreed on liking the absence of stylistic effects... the first season had a lot of parallel to "dramedy style" like Hataraki Man (or even Kanon 2006). I guess like Heatth said, we'll see how it works on the 'serious' episodes upcoming.

[Heatth]

Haruhi is above using general anime stylistic effects. :heh: One of the reasons I originally liked it.

Shame it doesn't use pratfalls though.

This is true. However, it would be better if the style get more serious when we arrive in that scene. K-ON! style don't fit at all!

See like that: This episode had a better art then last week's. The next one might follow improving.

[Triple_R]

Haruhi is above using general anime stylistic effects. :heh: One of the reasons I originally liked it.

Agreed. I liked how Haruhi avoided the more cliched anime stylistic effects.




Shame it doesn't use pratfalls though.

What do you mean by "pratfalls", exactly? I'm not sure what the term means precisely.

[Ithekro]

Look up "Three Stooges" or "The Marx Brothers"

[GMT]

Look up "Three Stooges" or "The Marx Brothers"
Hasn't poor Mikuru suffered enough already? Please, think of the moeblobs! :heh:

[Triple_R]

Look up "Three Stooges" or "The Marx Brothers"

... Ah, so slapstick comedy and humiliation then?

Hhhmmm... this is a hit and miss for me personally. Bakemonogatari plays this perfectly, but I've seen other anime overplay it badly (a lot of harem comedies come to mind).

Also, I'm not sure which Haruhi character I would want to inflict the pratfalls on... it would ruin Koizumi's image and style, it usually doesn't feel right to me when it's done to female characters, and Kyon suffers enough as it is. :heh:

Edit: Maybe trade-off Haruhi's crazy financial penalties for Kyon suffering pratfalls. It would be funnier, and make more sense to me. :heh:

[Kaisos Erranon]

Perhaps "pratfall" is the wrong term... normally, it simply refers to falling on one's ass.

A better word would be "facefault (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Facefault)", I suppose.

But you know what I'm talking about. Character A says something silly or unexpected. Character B falls over from the shock.

It's one of my very favorite anime comedy tropes, and I'd love to see it used in Haruhi if it could be.

[Triple_R]

Perhaps "pratfall" is the wrong term... normally, it simply refers to falling on one's ass.

A better word would be "facefault (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Facefault)", I suppose.

But you know what I'm talking about. Character A says something silly or unexpected. Character B falls over from the shock.

It's one of my very favorite anime comedy tropes, and I'd love to see it used in Haruhi if it could be.

Oh, now I see what you mean. Really exaggerated over-reactions, precisely like what Bakemonogatari does. Yes, that's truly hilarious, and I love it too. Kyon could use some variety to go with the facepalm, agreed. And it would be neat to see Haruhi "faint" over Kyon saying something particularly annoying to her, or see Mikuru go into shock over one of Haruhi's plans.