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Probably has something to do with her Adult Form most likely. Remember that Einhalt saw the memories of er... I don't remember the name, BUT, it looks like Vivio's starting to have the same reaction as well.
So Miura punched her so hard, it reversed her amnesia? :heh:
Narf.
Key Board
2012-03-31, 11:48
maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body
What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power
surely nothing wrong can come from that!!
maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body
What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power
surely nothing wrong can come from that!!
Like mother, like daughter. :p
Cheers.
Key Board
2012-03-31, 11:52
Like mother, like daughter. :p
Cheers.
That's probably the problem
The whole reason why Nanoha is on hiatus from job during Vivid is because events of StrikerS broke her body from going above limit.
but Vivio's body can't take that much punishment. If you take Deed and Octo's words at face value, her body isn't built for the kind of full frontal combat
Justin_Brett
2012-03-31, 12:02
Clone degradation would be stupid, though. Why is it only happening now? Why are Fate and the Numbers just fine?
It's not like clone degradation isn't an arbitrary thing already.
And I thought most of the Numbers were orphans like Subaru? Quattro and Uno were clones, I know that.
So I guess then this recent picture from Yukari Higa makes a bit more sense.
http://sadpanda.us/images/896083-FTPI4KX.jpg
Feelz bad man.
And I thought most of the Numbers were orphans like Subaru? Quattro and Uno were clones, I know that.
If I remember right, they were mostly tube babies. Fate, Erio, and Vivio are cloned, yes.
00-Raiser
2012-03-31, 12:25
The Numbers are either cloned wholesale or concieved in test tubes.
maybe going into adult form too often is finally taking a toll on her body
What's she's doing each time is she's forcibly rearranging her physical structure and making it go into overclock in order to have a form that brings out more power
surely nothing wrong can come from that!!
Dunno, forcibly rearranging your entire anatomy to be like a ferret's with human intelligence and magical power sounds more dangerous to me.
I mean, it could be, but why would miss I'm-not-even-letting-my-child-have-her-own-device-untill-she's-ready Nanoha let Vivio use such dangerous magic? Kind of a conflicting plotline there.
It's not like clone degradation isn't an arbitrary thing already.
And I thought most of the Numbers were orphans like Subaru? Quattro and Uno were clones, I know that.
Nope, all of them were clones, or at least genetically engineered and born in a test-tube. Nove was based on Quint, for example.
That's the entire thing that made Jail's work so unethical. The human body has to be genetically altered before birth in order for the body to actually be able to handle the technological upgrades.
but Vivio's body can't take that much punishment. If you take Deed and Octo's words at face value, her body isn't built for the kind of full frontal combat
And Sis Shanti's (I hope I didn't spell it wrong)
Most likely reason why Vivio lost.
Plus Adult Transformation strain.
Rising Dragon
2012-03-31, 13:18
And unlike Zest, Vivio was created during a time after the cloning process was perfected physically. And as of Force, we know she'll still be alive, so whatever the problem Vivio has is, it can't be too life-threatening or impossible to overcome.
Akiyoshi
2012-03-31, 13:43
And as of Force, we know she'll still be alive, so whatever the problem Vivio has is, it can't be too life-threatening or impossible to overcome.
Yup, FORCE 20 already spoilered to us that Vivio will get out of this just fine as she even was about to join Signum and Tohma's sparring match. Seems that no consequences will last because of this.
Justin_Brett
2012-03-31, 13:48
Well it's not like they could go into detail about what it was there, since that would spoil the whole thing ahead of time.
00-Raiser
2012-03-31, 14:45
Anyone who thought Vivio would suffer lasting consequences because of this is a complete moron anyways.
I didn't xD oh nvm I did xD
That's the entire thing that made Jail's work so unethical. The human body has to be genetically altered before birth in order for the body to actually be able to handle the technological upgrades.
Minor clarification, but an adult can have cybernetic implants, it's just that there are some issues with rejection and stuff. They made it sound like you had to take heavy medication, at least with implants that are stronger than what a normal piece of your body would be. It almost sounds like implants that are the same, or weaker, are generally not too bad.
And as of Force, we know she'll still be alive, so whatever the problem Vivio has is, it can't be too life-threatening or impossible to overcome.
Fine, yes. But if the issue is that she is taking a lot of damage in her adult transformation form, that could be the issue. She's okay, it's just that she either can't use it anymore, or only in emergency circumstances.
The only other possible option, is that Vivio has been trying to draw up her Saint's Armor (hence why she easily blocked Miura's blows before), but ever since the Cradle, that part of her is kind of damaged and thus it harms her body to try and bring it up.
At this point, I'm leaning toward the latter, because I still feel like they plan to address that part of her eventually.
Rising Dragon
2012-04-01, 12:21
I believe the stated case for technological replacements and such in adults is that the body can handle something that's as good as the original--stuff that's better, like what the Numbers have, is something that requires the genetic modification.
WarpObscura
2012-04-02, 09:43
Victoria reminds me of a character from some other series, but I can't think of who. Is there anyone else who comes to mind?
Justin_Brett
2012-04-02, 12:03
Probably a lot of them; you could throw a dart and hit one of those OHOHOHO noblewoman types.
The correct term is... and forgive me for posting a link to the hated site, but... Ojou-sama (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ojou).
Edit: Although that's a more inclusive term, as there are some subcategories listed.
WarpObscura
2012-04-02, 19:10
Yeah, that's the archetype, but the design in particular seems familiar.
... it's starting to remind me of the Kotarou vs Colonel Sanders (true name: Al) match XD
Except the opponent is not invincible.... and...
Vivio: *wakes up* What happened... did I...
Nurse: Yes.... you lost...
Vivio: T_T *runs outside the infirmary*
Akiyoshi
2012-04-03, 17:20
Somehow i don't feel Vivio will make much of a fuss about loosing, she have the support of her team and alwas has been pretty humble about her abilities. I'm actually waiting for the moment Einhart or Miura loose. Einhart being such a pridefull fight probably will harbor some negative feelings and for Miura it will be her very first defeat on a public tournament, seeing how sensitive and shy the girl is i bet she'll be down. I expect Zafira, Vita or even Vivio herself to snap her out of it.
and they train again for the second arc?
Unless some other plot arrives? Yeah, it's pretty much going to put StrikerS to shame when it comes to training chapters. Comes with the martial arts/tournament territory.
Strikers..... defeated with more lolis, training scenes and fighting scenes XD
Vivio was interrupted by pain.... (probably the adult mode.... or an injury from the first Starbright Blade [I was correct... Miura used Starbright Blade for the second time])
Akiyoshi
2012-04-03, 17:31
Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading something about Miura and Vivio's combined might making the safety measures of the battle arena to star failing. Is that true?
What safety measures? There is some sort of simulation in the arena? I thought the fights were real?
Akiyoshi
2012-04-08, 15:58
Well, yes and no. I myself haven-t understand how exatcly that work yet but is mentioned that damage to the contestants bodies is simulated and they're always protected from any serious injury by the system. It's what prevented Micaiah from slicing Miura in two during their match and was more specifically pointed out during Corona VS. Einhart fight.
00-Raiser
2012-04-08, 20:53
Yeah, so say you take a blow that would break your arm. You feel your arm getting broken, and the arm will function like it is broken, but outside the system it's not really broken.
Yeah, so say you take a blow that would break your arm. You feel your arm getting broken, and the arm will function like it is broken, but outside the system it's not really broken.
Lol, the way you word it makes the system sounds so stupidly redundant (and probably is) xD.
Supposedly there should be a limiter on how much pain a contestant would feel, so that no people actually die from the shock, but so far it didn't look that way. Every contestant seem to be feeling the damage they would feel without the system's protection; in fact they also LOOK as injured (clothes torn etc, bleeding)... So the ONLY REALLY useful thing that the system does is to protect the contestant from dying. Huh.
My own interpretation, is that the safety system reads the attack one is making, and then nullifies any actual damage on the target, but replacing it with simulated damage. So it would read Einhart punching Corona, calculate that the damage would break Corona's arm, but nullify enough force to keep it from breaking while simultaneously making Corona think her arm was broken.
However if, say, Vivio had a heart attack mid-fight from eating a ton of bacon in the months previous, she'd still have the heart attack and the safety system wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
So thus my theory is that Vivio has been doing something to herself (maybe not aware what she was doing had such consequences), and thus the reason for her collapse. Unless they plan to bring up something else, the only reason I can see this happening to Vivio alone so far, is that she is somehow (maybe not consciously) tapping into her Saint's Armor ability but it has been damaged since she was removed from the cradle. Thus, she's causing herself some internal stress and damage with use. Would explain how she easily blocked Miura's super kick.
Akiyoshi
2012-04-11, 19:41
However if, say, Vivio had a heart attack mid-fight from eating a ton of bacon in the months previous, she'd still have the heart attack and the safety system wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
Mistery solved xD!
Vivio lost because of bacon xD!
00-Raiser
2012-04-11, 20:03
I knew having her guest star on Epic Meal Time was a bad idea!
00-Raiser
2012-04-15, 00:45
New translation out. Doesn't particularly give any insight that wasn't obvious in the raws.
green-link94
2012-04-29, 12:43
Two spoiler images for vivid chapter 36 have been released.
First image has vivio waking up in hospital bed with nanoha beside her.second image is of miura she's looking down and has tears in her eyes.
And Miura returns back to being happy again after Vivio :D
Akiyoshi
2012-04-29, 17:40
Two spoiler images for vivid chapter 36 have been released.
First image has vivio waking up in hospital bed with nanoha beside her.second image is of miura she's looking down and has tears in her eyes.
I actually watched a whole lot of previe images from the chapter...
Vivio is taken to the infirmary with her friends worrying for her and Miura feeling guilty. Rio tries to motivate herself for her incoming fight whle Shamal turns off Vivio's adult mode and releases Chris.
Rio and Harii's fight begins, meanwhile Vivio awakes with Nanoha at her side, Vita brings Miura to visit her and she wholeheartily apologizes for injuring her. Vivio naturally don't mind at all and forgives Miura, the clash between Dual Element Girl and Banchou Gal progress... Vivio and Miura go back to the stadium to watch the fight.
00-Raiser
2012-04-30, 07:15
Odd. Only Nanoha is there with Vivio. You'd think after that worrywart Fate would go full on helicopter mom.
So all this drama amounted to nothing. Vivio is just fine and no one holds ill will towards Miura. Unless the cause really is something other than just Vivio taking too much of a beating but it doesn't appear to be the case.
Geeze Rio, I've heard of making your opponent hit the ring, but hitting your opponent with the ring?
Takamura Mamoru
2012-04-30, 07:34
So... Miura won fair and square?
I just find it odd that someone was hurt this badly with the supposed safety system in place, that can even prevent an arm being broken. If this truly goes nowhere with no explanation, it will come out looking like an oddity purely designed to elicit an emotional reaction, ie, a bad plot.
Which is worse than no plot.
Akiyoshi
2012-04-30, 13:30
Someone posted an early translation saying that the reason Vivio got so badly injured was because Miura go a bit out of control with her power to adegree the safety system wasn't able to keep up with the power of her attacks and those ended up injuring Vivio for real as a result. So yeah, it seems that Miura won fair and square xD
But well, i'll wait to read a proper translation xD
Takamura Mamoru
2012-04-30, 14:14
So yeah, it seems that Miura won fair and square.
h4h4h4h4 get dunked vivio
rekt 2hard
wat a nooblord
I refrained from commenting on this matter until it was somewhat cleared up, but I have to say this is so pleasantly surprising if it's true.
Now Einhart needs to get her ass stomped too, being the real main character of Vivid and all. She's up against the toughest opponent in the tournament to boot.
Akiyoshi
2012-04-30, 14:33
^ Me too, after withnessing Vitctoriea trashing Chantez with regal awesomeness i expect Sieglinde to be an amazing fighter. She's the strongest contender so she musn't dissapoint on the arena.
Justin_Brett
2012-04-30, 15:59
So if Miura can do that, then the system must have been breached quite a bit when the veterans fought.
Akiyoshi
2012-04-30, 17:07
So if Miura can do that, then the system must have been breached quite a bit when the veterans fought.
Mhhh... sounds plausible, what aboput this? The arena received a lot of strain keeping up with Corona VS. Einahrt fight and the subsequent Chantez VS. Victoria's match, during both battles tons of high powered attacks were throwed but as the system worked well the maintenance people didn't felt the need of a check up and the system finally gives up when Miura used her superpowerfull attack repeatedly on Vivio.
...what? it could happen xD
malekith
2012-04-30, 18:28
might sound bad but i kinda only want to see einharts fight and skip the rest not really in the mood to follow the rest of the tournament now that vivios has once again achieved crap accept beating up literraly no-name charecters 2 and a half years and the supossed protagonist still hasnt had a decent fight let alone a victory
most depressing part is that well probably have to wait a min of another 18 mounths b4 the next arc begins sigh
Yagami family > Takamachi family
It is already proven.
Akiyoshi
2012-04-30, 21:41
If it's of some help, both are adopted xD
Odd. Only Nanoha is there with Vivio. You'd think after that worrywart Fate would go full on helicopter mom.
So all this drama amounted to nothing. Vivio is just fine and no one holds ill will towards Miura. Unless the cause really is something other than just Vivio taking too much of a beating but it doesn't appear to be the case.
Geeze Rio, I've heard of making your opponent hit the ring, but hitting your opponent with the ring?
I...am so disappointed.
Really...disappointed.
F**K.
I don't care if Muira won fair and square.
Something is wrong and Vivio is okay by it all.
Lame and poor character development.
ViVid...I will no longer read you. Peace out!
ZeroIchiNi
2012-05-03, 21:33
So breaking an arm and being blasted to kingdom come means you are fine... How did Vivio lost again?
Her face twitched in pain (from overwork, maybe?) before being sent out of the ring with a Starbright Blade.
malekith
2012-05-04, 18:13
I...am so disappointed.
Really...disappointed.
F**K.
I don't care if Muira won fair and square.
Something is wrong and Vivio is okay by it all.
Lame and poor character development.
ViVid...I will no longer read you. Peace out!
the fact that she lost again already really annoyed me but the lack of any actual indication of charecter development and being all smile smile afterwards is what really pisses me of
The problem is that they turned Vivio too much into Nanoha 2.0, AKA a character that already has a well-formed personality with little personal problems to be resolved. Which means that unless something in her life drastically changes (I.E. actual plot) there is little about her character that to be developed in the first place.
If you want actual character development, look at Einhart. 'Cause Vivio is unlikely going to be where it's at.
Justin_Brett
2012-05-04, 19:11
I dunno about Einhart, either; all that's happened with her so far is she's become nicer. Still wants to be the best, still has issues...
Better than the other main protagonist right now, but not by much.
Well yes, I don't expect Einhart's issues to be resolved for quite a while yet, simply because the manga is still ongoing and hasn't shown any signs of being even halfway yet. You can't have all character development done before your manga's even halfway, that'd be crappy writing in its own right.
Key Board
2012-05-12, 02:56
http://whois.domaintools.com/vividred.net
Aniplex just recently registered this domain
Vivid anime spinoff?
Possibly. However, before the party starts, remember that vivid is an actual word and not just a title, it could be something else entirely.
An anime about little girls viciously beating the living crap out of each other?
I can dig that.
Hehe.
Justin_Brett
2012-05-12, 19:06
Considering it says vividred and nothing about Nanoha in the domain title, probably not.
Link: The title is a lie. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-05-29/strike-witches-takamura-launches-vivid-red-operation-anime)
Sometimes I hate being right.
Lycodrake
2012-05-29, 08:32
Link: The title is a lie. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-05-29/strike-witches-takamura-launches-vivid-red-operation-anime)
I'm confused now... :heh:
@Lyco
I think they're talking about how the title was misleading, making people though that a ViVid anime was coming.
Justin_Brett
2012-05-29, 11:51
I dunno why you wanted one anyway. Some OVAs or something would be better for Vivid unless it gets a plot later on.
I wouldn't call it "misleading." Misleading implies intent, but vivid is an actual word. It's our assumption that misled us, not the title.
Akiyoshi
2012-05-29, 12:56
LOL! i got my hopoes up just for a fracc. Second, Vivid could make an entertaining Shounen fighting Anime xD
00-Raiser
2012-05-29, 19:05
Nanoha already has it's own domain that all installments of the franchise get added to in the first place.
Anywho, new chapter:
Rio and Harri fight some more. To be continued.
malekith
2012-05-30, 01:38
tbh honest i cant even find it in myself to want her to win it would just feel wrong if she stayed in the tournament after vivio lost
Akiyoshi
2012-05-30, 02:03
Maybe Miura will end up like Ritchie from Pokemon. After beating Ash in the Kanto league he was trashed in his very next battle and got eliminated from the league xDU
I liked Rio when she appeared. She was cute.
I liked Rio when she transformed. Her style was cool.
But when Rio lifted half the ring over her head? That's when she solidified her place in my heart as my favorite character in Vivid without any competition.
There's something strangely alluring about raw physical strength.
Akiyoshi
2012-06-05, 13:30
I liked Rio when she appeared. She was cute.
I liked Rio when she transformed. Her style was cool.
But when Rio lifted half the ring over her head? That's when she solidified her place in my heart as my favorite character in Vivid without any competition.
There's something strangely alluring about raw physical strength.
I know that feeling, physically superstrong character are always cool but this being Vivid makes me wonder how "raw" Rio's physical strenght really is.
I remember the endless discussion about Isis's "raw" physical strenght in FORCE xDU
I just meant raw strength as in just hands on magical strength instead a named attack. Not non-magic strength. :p
Which reminds me, this is the biggest display of physical strength we've seen since Vita's Gigantschlag finisher in A's. Dayum girl. That Oni fang's not for show.
Akiyoshi
2012-06-05, 13:58
I just meant raw strength as in just hands on magical strength instead a named attack. Not non-magic strength. :p
Which reminds me, this is the biggest display of physical strength we've seen since Vita's Gigantschlag finisher in A's. Dayum girl. That Oni fang's not for show.
While we're at that...
Isis VS. Rio xD!
Both on ground xD
In hand to hand? I'm going with Rio right now. Sorry, but breaking steel cuffs does not compete with lifting half a fighting ring over your head.
Akiyoshi
2012-06-05, 14:23
In hand to hand? I'm going with Rio right now. Sorry, but breaking steel cuffs does not compete with lifting half a fighting ring over your head.
Isis's endurance is pretty hardcore tough. She survived having her neck snapped by a big Axe wielder by Huckebein's resident Mighty Glacier and even was able to join the final confrontation. Rio will need more than just punches or big rocks to win this fight xD
Dunno, I still find this display of strength to thrumph an axe swing.
What's the latest chapter of Vivid to be released? The one with Rio lifting the ring. Or are there just spoiler images around?
00-Raiser
2012-06-05, 19:32
The newest chapter is the one after Rio lifts the ring. I summarized the new chapter a few posts above.
00-Raiser
2012-06-28, 22:45
Whelp Rio lost.
Akiyoshi
2012-06-28, 23:15
LOL!
I need to watch the chapter, but well, it's not a great lost either. I'm sure Rio will go all "aww i lost, well nevemind, let's cheer for Einhart xD!" just like Vivio and Corona did xDU
And so, Einhart is the only member of Team Nakajma still on the competition. Wonder what will happen with her xD
I'm not surprised. Is anyone surprised? Now let's see if Einhart can continue to steal the show.
Akiyoshi
2012-06-29, 10:03
Look at the bright side, at least those who disliked Rio for supposedly being a "Mary Sue" will have now less excuses for such argument xD
Oh well, hope the fight i was waiting for all this time finally happens xD!
Lady Lutecia VS. Witch Girl xD!
Go Lulu xD!
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha was the story of the girl Nanoha had lesbian subtext with.
Vivid is the story of the girl that Vivio has lesbian subtext with.
Force is the story of the guy that Thoma has homosexual subtext with...?
Key Board
2012-06-29, 17:53
obviously Veyron
That was the joke I was alluding to. :P
zerodragon
2012-06-30, 11:09
could someone tell me what happen to vivo at the end of 35 and first 15 pages of 36?
Is it me or the author trying to finish this arch quickly.
00-Raiser
2012-06-30, 13:15
It's you. If he was, Rio vs. Harri wouldn't have lasted 3 chapters.
Justin_Brett
2012-06-30, 16:11
No, Force is the story of the two girls Touma has an Aquarion ending with.
00-Raiser
2012-06-30, 16:42
The original Aquarion or Evol?
Justin_Brett
2012-06-30, 17:21
The one without an awful love interest.
Justin_Brett
2012-06-30, 18:04
I was trying not to be specific.
00-Raiser
2012-06-30, 18:33
Mikono >>>>>>>>> Silvia.
Anyways, so there's Einhart, Lutecia, and Miura left of the main characters in the tournament. I can see Einhart and Miura losing, but Lutecia will probably go pretty far.
fukarming
2012-06-30, 19:13
the latest chapter is 37, right? Rio hasn't lost yet.
So Einhart is slightly better than Vivio, Einhart is around the same as Nove. Miura is alot better than Vivio, Teana and Subaru in the beginning of StrikerS are C class and they are alot worse than Nove (or other Jail's team) before training. Teana and Subaru at the beginning of StrikerS are already official member of the army.
So when evil strikes again they should send out 10 year old little girl from the tournament instead of actual professional army?
Justin_Brett
2012-06-30, 19:26
Mikono >>>>>>>>> Silvia.
Doesn't surprise me at all.
00-Raiser
2012-06-30, 21:09
the latest chapter is 37, right? Rio hasn't lost yet.
38 came out a few days ago.
Dominic Night
2012-07-01, 14:23
Sad that she lost. Although I'm actually expecting everyone thats still in the tournament to lose (Lutecia, Einhart, Miura), leaving those 'past contenders' to win.
In honesty I really want to see that one girl (forgot her name but she fought the nun) get knocked around and defeated. Well I prefer all of these 'new' characters get defeated.
Justin_Brett
2012-07-01, 15:53
Why? She hasn't even done anything yet other than that.
I find it hard to think that Lutecia will lose, considering that she is true survivor and has a tonne more combat experience than any of the combatants. She could've fought toe-to-toe with any of the Riot Force 6 members if she wants to.
Plus her magical power is estimated to be what, S ranked since the JS Incident? Like wtf, that's even more powerful than Nanoha when they were the same age?
Rising Dragon
2012-07-01, 16:51
Actually, even with Lutecia's skill I get the feeling she'll lose when she goes up against the Witch character to showcase what being a Witch entails, power-wise.
Why? She hasn't even done anything yet other than that.
I like her. She's one of the few people in the Nanoha series to see the upsides of armor.
And it showed. Barely a few points of damage in the entire fight.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-01, 17:43
I also like Victoria, she's an amazing fighter and i absolutely adore her Royal Knight motif. She's also a Mighty Glacier done right ..i mean, like very right xD! She showcases the values of timing, reflexes and power to be a proper tank on the battlefield ...without losing the gracefulness (unlike certain Belkan Knight with improper new equipement from that other manga xDU).
If she ever loses i think it only be after an awesome fight where she manage to pull some more of her regal awesomeness. Maybe against Sieglinde or Harii?
novalysis
2012-07-01, 18:13
Actually, even with Lutecia's skill I get the feeling she'll lose when she goes up against the Witch character to showcase what being a Witch entails, power-wise.
That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it.
Lutecia could get stomped around for the first few minutes by the Witch, to depict a struggle in battling with a relatively unknown magical class, before turning the tables and stomping the Witch with overwhelming force, tons of beam spam, and jamming her abilities. Or by Zerg Swarming her opponent with summons from every direction, accompanied with covering Beam Spam.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-02, 10:16
^ Mhhh... now that you've touched the issue. I wonder how are the tournament rules about summons. Can Lutecia summon monster freely? She must start the match with zero summons? There must be a minimum set time-span between each summon? she only have a limited number of summons per match? Or she can't use any summons at all o.o?
Well, no need to answer directly, i know there's no cannon info about this yet so we must need to wait till the fight happens xD
Same as golems, I recall. Can't start with them, but can summon them when the fight has started.
novalysis
2012-07-08, 12:02
^ Mhhh... now that you've touched the issue. I wonder how are the tournament rules about summons. Can Lutecia summon monster freely? She must start the match with zero summons? There must be a minimum set time-span between each summon? she only have a limited number of summons per match? Or she can't use any summons at all o.o?
Well, no need to answer directly, i know there's no cannon info about this yet so we must need to wait till the fight happens xD
I guess it depends on how fast Lutecia is as a summoner. But the thing is, Lutecia is the closest thing you'd get to throwing a battle-hardened warrior in Vivid, I'd imagine, so... well Lutecia getting defeated might elicit a similar reaction to Cypha beating Signum in Force....
Rising Dragon
2012-07-08, 12:29
Please don't say that. ._. One Aki is enough.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-08, 12:37
I'll just stop here to say i'm a big fan of Lulu as well xD!
Ok, ok, jokes aside, i won't react the same way because i already spent most of my energies on the Signum fiasco. Also Lutecia is still a young girl, she's strong but she's still unexperienced in several things and have still a long path to walk, so this defeat will only help her in her growth. Unlike what happenned to a seasoned veteran like Signum xDU
In fact i'm veary excited about this battle because we'll see the skills of Lutecia for the first time since StrikerS and as implied by her on past chapters, she's now more of an offensive mage than before. Coupled with her new genki personality i expect a very flashy and showy fightstyle from her part. I'm waiting to see her ascencion to "Princess of the Battlefield" xD
A glamurous fighter will be a breeze of fresh air to this cast saturated of hot blooded shonen girls xD!
Random Wanderer
2012-07-09, 22:01
Since translations are still stalled out at chapter 26, I might as well just ask: has Sieglinde fought anyone onscreen yet? I keep waiting to find out what she can do, but it seems folks are determined to keep her powers cloaked in legend. Between that and the glacial translation rate, it'll probably be something like 10 years before I ever see her fight anyone.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-10, 01:39
No, she hasn't.
Random Wanderer
2012-07-10, 01:46
Sigh. Well, thanks anyway. Time for me to disappear from this subforum for the next few months again...
EDIT: So, after reading over the last few months worth of comments, all we're waiting for is for Einhart to lose to Sieg, and then the manga will be over? The tournament will likely lose much of its appeal once all the main characters are out of it, and I can't imagine they'll be much left to do in the manga once its done with the tournament.
marconii2002
2012-07-18, 11:32
Chapter 27 translation is out
Heh, Tio playing with ball that has a jingle bell inside of it. My cat has a few of the same. I noticed the other cat toys on the bed, too.
Anyway, good explanation of the "crash" system. Decent fight between Harri and Els, although I would have liked to see more of what a barrier mage could actually do.
Oh, and someone should let the translators know that Lio's name is actually Rio, according to the official sources. I've noticed it spelled Lio for the last few chapters. Other than that minor typo, though, the rest of the translation is excellent!
Looking forward to the Corona/Einhart match, despite knowing how it turns out, heh.
00-Raiser
2012-07-18, 22:34
They've always spelled it Lio and are probably continuing to do so for consistency purposes.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-18, 22:47
As much as naming consistency matters in Nanoha.
Wonder if Corona can make herself as hard as a golem (bless herself with the golem spirit to give her the defense and power of a golem without the speed drawback XD)
Justin_Brett
2012-07-18, 23:18
I think she did exactly that in the fight, which was pretty neat.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-18, 23:22
Considering Corona withstand and actually countered punches from Einhart "Cyborg Killer" Stratos i think it's safe to acknowledge Corona's ability to become as hard as a golem xD
Rising Dragon
2012-07-18, 23:25
'course, once Einhart figured out her trick, it was simple enough for Einhart to turn golem!Corona into rubble!Corona, so to speak.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-18, 23:29
'course, once Einhart figured out her trick, it was simple enough for Einhart to turn golem!Corona into rubble!Corona, so to speak.
And thus became Einhart "Golem Trasher" Stratos xD
Justin_Brett
2012-07-19, 00:38
Well that's because it didn't actually help her reach any, and not having that is kind of a problem when punching someone is your trump card.
LostSome
2012-07-22, 14:38
Random observation... Vivid is seriously lacking in staff-users.
I was under the impression that staves were used by most mages of Mid.:confused:
Justin_Brett
2012-07-22, 14:55
It has the witch girl.
And most mages in Mid are grunts, and thus not main characters in a loli manga.
Vivid is Tsuzuki's attempt to broaden the magical world he's created(and appeal to the loli crowd). It does kinda go against what we've heard so far... especially since practically everyone in the tournament is much, MUCH stronger than the staff and spear wielders that make up most of the Bureau. Hell, Jail should have recruited them instead of making his own cyborgs, heh.
But yeah, Vivid has its problems. In his zeal to create a variety loli slap fest, he's retconning the universe a bit.
Justin_Brett
2012-07-22, 16:02
And then after Vivid and Force, he goes and does world building better - in the show that's MXC starring cat and dog people. Weird as hell.
LostSome
2012-07-22, 16:24
It has the witch girl.
A broom isn`t exactly a staff...:heh:
I didn`t know that handcuffs and chains were "loli" material... My bad.
I try not to think of the power levels...
Just the lack of Nanoha`s favorite is a bit sad.
Vivid is Tsuzuki's attempt to broaden the magical world he's created(and appeal to the loli crowd). It does kinda go against what we've heard so far... especially since practically everyone in the tournament is much, MUCH stronger than the staff and spear wielders that make up most of the Bureau. Hell, Jail should have recruited them instead of making his own cyborgs, heh.
But yeah, Vivid has its problems. In his zeal to create a variety loli slap fest, he's retconning the universe a bit.
A minor diversion, really, and not even that much of a diversion at that. Since this is the most well known martial arts tournament. It makes sense for it to attract the highest power the age category has to offer.
Second, unlike the bureau where the high power is spread across a variety of worlds, on a tournament such power would gather. Concentration versus dispersion. Put every single powerful mage in the entirety of the TSAB in one spot, and you're likely to get a much higher number than the tournament.
And lastly, not everyone in the tournament is super-powerful by default. Sure, the people that have names stand high above everyone else, but what about the nameless contestants that were being one-shot by said named characters left and right? Were they above the rank-and-file staff and spear wielder?
A minor diversion, really, and not even that much of a diversion at that. Since this is the most well known martial arts tournament. It makes sense for it to attract the highest power the age category has to offer.
Second, unlike the bureau where the high power is spread across a variety of worlds, on a tournament such power would gather. Concentration versus dispersion. Put every single powerful mage in the entirety of the TSAB in one spot, and you're likely to get a much higher number than the tournament.
And lastly, not everyone in the tournament is super-powerful by default. Sure, the people that have names stand high above everyone else, but what about the nameless contestants that were being one-shot by said named characters left and right? Were they above the rank-and-file staff and spear wielder?
I'll grant that your points have merit. I'll admit that there is a bit of a bias here (even though the best and brightest seem to be all women).
But also keep in mind... this is just one tournament on one section of one world. Apparently, there are tournaments happening in several sections of many worlds, each of whom seem to have the same power levels. So that "distribution" of the Bureau isn't that different from the distribution of high-powered tournament entries.
Kinda makes you wonder why Chrono and Amy were so impressed upon seeing Nanoha and Fate in action, if this tournament happens once a year or two?
Regardless, the TSAB people tend not to gather into one stadium that much. And even then, counting all the main characters in the bureau, we have quite a list of powerful people as well. Twelve in the first two seasons alone. StrikerS raises that even further. They're just outnumbered by the low-ranked redshirts, which in this tournament... does not seem to be much different.
As for why Chrono and Amy were surprised... well, again, because such power isn't common. Yes, this tournament has a lot, but this tournament is designed to attract the strong. Earth is a non-magic world, not exactly a place where you'd expect to find some top of the powergrid mages.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-22, 21:27
Especially at that rank at that age, prime development period or not.
Rio Wesley
Corona Timil
Harri Tribeca
Els Tasmin
Chantez Arpinion
Micaiah Chevelle
Victoria Dahlgrün
Fabia Crozelg
Sieglinde Jeremiah
Miura Rinaldi
Leaving out Vivio and Einhart, since they are special cases. Also leaving out Erio, Caro, and Lutecia.
But in this one district on one planet, we have 10 "normals" with considerable power and skill... at least far more than the rank and file demonstrated. RF6 had Nanoha, Fate, Hayate and the Wolkenritter, which Teana called a "ridiculous amount of power." While the "Aces" have more power, I'd easily class the above girls in line with the forwards, and given their young age, the potential to be Aces themselves with more training.
And this is one district on one world. Let's say it's the average, and maybe 3 districts per world(could be more, but I'm being conservative)... That's 30 people, per world, that have roughly B class power or more.
I can't quite remember if it was said how many total Aces the Bureau has, I'm remembering a "100" number... whether that is Aces, or Ace of Aces, I can't say. But if there are only 4 planets participating in this "universe" tournament, they've already outstripped the Bureau Ace numbers. Double it to 8 planets, and you've got 320 people like the Forwards, with potential to be Aces.
Numbers pulled out of my ass, but you get the idea.
And this tournament has been happening, what, yearly? With new people joining year after year? True, a lot of them are probably C and D class, which is probably more in line with Bureau Red Shirts. But when you run the possible numbers, you get a much higher number of highly skilled and powerful mages.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-22, 22:37
There's probably more to consider, such as experience--for all of Nanoha and Fate's flash and substance, they were still bested by the weaker but more experienced Chrono. There may be other factors to consider--not everyone joins the Bureau military, I imagine, and it doesn't look to be mandatory. There's probably plenty of instances of magically-powerful mages that just aren't interested in a life of military servitude.
Rio Wesley
Corona Timil
Harri Tribeca
Els Tasmin
Chantez Arpinion
Micaiah Chevelle
Victoria Dahlgrün
Fabia Crozelg
Sieglinde Jeremiah
Miura Rinaldi
Leaving out Vivio and Einhart, since they are special cases. Also leaving out Erio, Caro, and Lutecia.
But in this one district on one planet, we have 10 "normals" with considerable power and skill... at least far more than the rank and file demonstrated. RF6 had Nanoha, Fate, Hayate and the Wolkenritter, which Teana called a "ridiculous amount of power." While the "Aces" have more power, I'd easily class the above girls in line with the forwards, and given their young age, the potential to be Aces themselves with more training.
Not sure why you'd even mention Erio and Caro, since they are part of the bureau. But if we are making a list of powerful people, here's one of the confirmed high-rank people aligned with the TSAB we've seen:
Zest
Quint
Megane
Lindy
Chrono
Fate
Arf
Nanoha
Yuuno
Vita
Signum
Shamal
Zafira
Erio
Caro
Teana
Subaru
Aria
Lotte
Ginga
Cinque
Dieci
Nove
Wendi
That's 24 people. That we know of. On one area of Mid alone. There's bound to be more on Mid, much less on other worlds out there, hell the navy is confirmed to claim most of the powerful mages, so out there in space there's going to be even more of them. And people Clyde and Letti are just a few examples of the unknowns in the TSAB, and we haven't even touched on the Belkan controlled regions yet. So yes, I'm not really buying that "100" number here. I might buy it if an ace was a title or the other that had little to do with raw power, but more with some other special requirement. Because in terms of raw power, the TSAB has it more than the tournament.
It's just that the bureau is really, really big, and thus has thousands of other people as well, people who aren't as powerful. So the powerful people always seem to be the minority because, well, they are.
Again, the difference lies in favor of the bureau here.
Don't forget the Drill Instructor that beat up the crap of Nanoha and Fate from the manga, and oh, the Three Admirals. Nanoha and Fate get focused on because they are the protagonists, but it has been stated multiple times that they are not "special snowflakes" (unlike Hayate who actually is). They're just the ones we happen to be following most of the time. Chrono is busy doing mundane stuff like fighting cosmic horrors while they go to the beach.
Cheers.
Nanoha and Fate only lost to the instructor because they were inexperienced children. Highly doubt the same would happen given StrikerS timeline. Any S+ rank mage is going to be considered special.
Nanoha and Fate only lost to the instructor because they were inexperienced children. Highly doubt the same would happen given StrikerS timeline. Any S+ rank mage is going to be considered special.
Which is what the Vivid kids are (well, most of them).
Cheers.
True, but I only saw mention of Nanoha and Fate in the post. And that's all I was commenting on.
VezSketch
2012-07-23, 07:02
Nanoha and Fate are pretty special. KOing S+ Rank Combat Cyborgs in a hit or two after matching them in an AMF, and the entirety of Nanoha's fight against Saint Kaiser Vivio.
The Vivid kids have pretty good feats, but they're not particularly powerful outside Lutecia.
Not sure why you'd even mention Erio and Caro, since they are part of the bureau. But if we are making a list of powerful people, here's one of the confirmed high-rank people aligned with the TSAB we've seen:
Zest
Quint
Megane
Lindy
Chrono
Fate
Arf
Nanoha
Yuuno
Vita
Signum
Shamal
Zafira
Erio
Caro
Teana
Subaru
Aria
Lotte
Ginga
Cinque
Dieci
Nove
Wendi
That's 24 people. That we know of. On one area of Mid alone. There's bound to be more on Mid, much less on other worlds out there, hell the navy is confirmed to claim most of the powerful mages, so out there in space there's going to be even more of them. And people Clyde and Letti are just a few examples of the unknowns in the TSAB, and we haven't even touched on the Belkan controlled regions yet. So yes, I'm not really buying that "100" number here. I might buy it if an ace was a title or the other that had little to do with raw power, but more with some other special requirement. Because in terms of raw power, the TSAB has it more than the tournament.
It's just that the bureau is really, really big, and thus has thousands of other people as well, people who aren't as powerful. So the powerful people always seem to be the minority because, well, they are.
Again, the difference lies in favor of the bureau here.
Erio and Caro participated in the training for the tournament, but it was unclear as to whether they would participate on their own world.
Anyway, we're talking mages here, so you can remove the cyborgs and familiars from your list. The topic we're discussing is naturally occurring "normal" mages that are fairly powerful. Yuuno is also technically a civilian collaborator, not part of the Bureau (and doesn't take part in combat). The 10 people I named, was mainly just to get a rough number of how many "normal" powerful mages there are taking place in this tournament, and thus how many overall.
Also note that this tournament is merely ages 10-19... so it is confined to a single age group vs. the large age range the Bureau would have. What about those highly skilled and under 10? Nanoha and Fate were both 9 at one time. What about those highly skilled over 19? Is there a tournament for the adults 20+? Remember my 30 strong kids number from before that might be on Mid-Childa alone? Those kids grow up, and so shall we double that number to count in the number of powerful adult mages and very young children on Mid-Childa alone? 60 per planet? Remember, the tournament is a very limited look at a limited slice of the pie.
Megane and Quint are also interesting, though... they participated in the tournament, too, and Megane doesn't mention whether they won. I think if they had, she might have said that. Given we know roughly how strong Quint was (greater than Ginga and Subaru), and if we presume Megane to be equally strong... then again we have the tournament showcasing that we have many more powerful mages than we were otherwise led to believe.
When did Erio and Caro participate in the training for the tournament? Last I checked we only saw them fight during the visit to Lutecia which was... well... a visit to Lutecia that happened to involve training. Many types of training. The mock battle was just a mock battle that used the tournament score system. Many of the other training exercises were TSAB exercises. And last time we heard an opinion of Erio and Caro joining, it was a resounding "It would be fun, but they aren't the type to do it."
Since we know nothing about the other age groups, involving them in this debate is going to lead to biased assumptions at best, so let's leave them out of it. If you really do wish to pursue this avenue, I'll start calculating TSAB personnel per city per world using what we've seen here as a basis, then we can compare.
And Megane and Quint actually raise another point: Who's to say the TSAB isn't paying attention to this tournament and use it to scout out potential recruits?
When did Erio and Caro participate in the training for the tournament? Last I checked we only saw them fight during the visit to Lutecia which was... well... a visit to Lutecia that happened to involve training. Many types of training. The mock battle was just a mock battle that used the tournament score system. Many of the other training exercises were TSAB exercises. And last time we heard an opinion of Erio and Caro joining, it was a resounding "It would be fun, but they aren't the type to do it."
Since we know nothing about the other age groups, involving them in this debate is going to lead to biased assumptions at best, so let's leave them out of it. If you really do wish to pursue this avenue, I'll start calculating TSAB personnel per city per world using what we've seen here as a basis, then we can compare.
And Megane and Quint actually raise another point: Who's to say the TSAB isn't paying attention to this tournament and use it to scout out potential recruits?
Leaving Erio and Caro aside (and I was referring to the mock combat on Lu's world, but that is neither here nor there)...
Returning to the main point, which was my observation that Vivid seems to portray strong mages as more commonplace than we were once led to believe. It was mainly my own observation, and I gave my reasons why I feel the way I do. You may feel differently, but that is your own choice. Certainly, it is just as valid. I was merely extrapolating based upon the numbers that we do have.
Then again, another viewpoint is that not as many mages join the Bureau outright, preferring civilian life, or as a professional "athlete" in the tournament league, or working for various companies perhaps as security agents or researchers(Precia falling into the latter category).
Lastly, as far as TSAB scouting, my point was never about that. Certainly, I'd work under the assumption that they do keep an eye on the tournaments and try to recruit people (The Bureau needs YOU for universal peace!). But that wasn't part of my observational point.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-23, 19:12
Ironically, as awesome as the girls participating in the tournament are, they seem to be AA-rank at best (and i'm talking about the big powerhouses like Einhart and Victoria) meaning they're more or less around Zafira's league powerwise.
Not necessarily a bad thing, tough. As we saw the forwards pulling lots of awesomeness during StrikerS while sporting B and lower ranks xD
Those girls may be powerfull but they're nowhere close to the level of the threats faced by the heroes. Veyron alone could slaughter them all xDU
Justin_Brett
2012-07-23, 20:44
What, you mean the guy who was powers that specifically neuter anything a mage can do would kill a bunch of mages?
That's amazing.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-23, 22:09
Lol, fine, Tre and Sette could do the same xDU
Justin_Brett
2012-07-23, 23:43
That's 'cause Tre is badass.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-23, 23:56
Being Badass hardly have something to do with the results xD
Tre is and S+ Rank-like Combat Cyborg which is flight capable, have enhaced Strenght and probably is like 5 times faster than Micaiah. People on the league of the Aces/Wolks can deal with her but the girls at the DSAA tournament are hopelessly outmatched xDU
VezSketch
2012-07-24, 03:56
girls participating in the tournament are, they seem to be AA-rank at best (and i'm talking about the big powerhouses like Einhart and Victoria)
That is highly improbable. They're not that strong - B rank to A rank at the highest. Zafira would also beat the hell out of them, like stomping on them.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-24, 05:08
That's tricky to assume considering Einhart managed to defeat Nove, a AAA rank-like combat cyborg, on the early chapters of the manga xDU
VezSketch
2012-07-24, 06:05
Body augmentation rank, she's not on par with an AAA rank mage ... Next you'll tell me Einhalt is near where Fate and Nanoha were in S1. FYI, they would beat her in one attack and speedblitz her.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-24, 06:50
Still talks pretty damn high about Einhart's resillence and power, as Nove's body augmentation rank means she's at least as strong and durable as a AAA-ranked mage. That is, around the level of Nanoha and Fate during Season One and Vita/Chrono's current level. We're also talking about the girl who can destroy giant rock golems with magical ki attacks like nothing xDU
Still talks pretty damn high about Einhart's resillence and power
You mean the resilience that ended up with her being knocked out after just one hit? Or the powerful punch that did not stop nove from attaching a sensor to her?
VezSketch
2012-07-24, 09:35
Still talks pretty damn high about Einhart's resillence and power, as Nove's body augmentation rank means she's at least as strong and durable as a AAA-ranked mage.
That's not what that means.
That is, around the level of Nanoha and Fate during Season One and Vita/Chrono's current level. We're also talking about the girl who can destroy giant rock golems with magical ki attacks like nothing xDUEh, that's not actually impressive at all - I've actually calculated the power necessary to do that. Meanwhile we have Nanoha creating a kilometers wide explosion with Flash Impact in S1, for starters. There's a lot more, but that gives you an idea in difference in scale when you try to quantify the feats in the series.
I would like to add that we are mostly seeing the Vivid-girls fighting amongst themselves. Their feats might appear more impressive simply because they are fighting against people of similar power levels. Those training sessions with Nanoha and Co. were basically the veterans goofing around with kiddy gloves on. I seriously doubt any of the Vivid-girls can match the intensity of the veterans when they gets serious (or even semi-serious like the Nanoha & Signum "exhibition" match).
Spartan versus Spartan? Awesome.
Spartan versus SAS? Not so much. Well, hilarity maybe.
Cheers.
VezSketch
2012-07-24, 09:47
Nanoha was also limited to an AA rank and downed Einhalt in one shot in their team mock battle IIRC. That wouldn't have happened to someone as resilient as an AAA rank mage.
I really want to see how one of the kids does against Lutecia going all out.
English scanlation for chapter 28 of Vivid is out.
Justin_Brett
2012-07-24, 16:26
Reading the backlog, and:
"Written on her back in glyphs from another world..."
I was willing to ignore that, Vivid, and then you deliberately call attention to it? That just raises further questions!
So Corona finally did a fusion dance with a golem and uppercut Einhart
Reading the backlog, and:
"Written on her back in glyphs from another world..."
I was willing to ignore that, Vivid, and then you deliberately call attention to it? That just raises further questions!
It's been a while since I read Vivid... what part is that from?
Justin_Brett
2012-07-24, 16:42
Hari's fight with Els. They draw attention to the kanji on her clothes being foreign, and it kinda bothered me.
Ahh, yes, that. I guess that means Hari's lineage goes back to earth as well.
Justin_Brett
2012-07-24, 16:54
Oh, that's simpler than what I was thinking of.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-24, 17:02
It's hardly the first time. The Nakajima family has Earth heritage as well, so it's not out of place.
Justin_Brett
2012-07-24, 17:13
You wouldn't think immigrating like that would be even this common, really.
Ehh, counting Graham and assuming one person in Hari's lineage there's just five people so far. Out of a population of billions, that's nothing.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-24, 17:19
And all we know of Subaru's family is that it has Earth heritage. We don't know how far back it went.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-24, 19:52
You mean the resilience that ended up with her being knocked out after just one hit? Or the powerful punch that did not stop nove from attaching a sensor to her?
I'm talking about the resilence thatg allowed her to take the full brunt of Nove's power and still win the fight ...and the powerfull punch that K.O.ed a Cyborg Subaru had a hard time with and was in the need of going "Super Cyborg" mode to win.
If Einhart isn't AAA then she's pretty damn close xD
The Nove fight is one gaping plothole that can only be explained with "Nove lost on purpose." Just see how several chapters later Einhart went from "can fight on equal ground with someone on the forward's level" (Nove and Subaru are of similar level now) to "Would have a hard time in the elite division of the tournament."
That's a rather huge powerdown, and there's only one explanation that makes sense.
Akiyoshi
2012-07-25, 10:46
The Nove fight is one gaping plothole that can only be explained with "Nove lost on purpose." Just see how several chapters later Einhart went from "can fight on equal ground with someone on the forward's level" (Nove and Subaru are of similar level now) to "Would have a hard time in the elite division of the tournament."
That's a rather huge powerdown, and there's only one explanation that makes sense.
Yeah, Nove totally planned to get her butt kicked entirely on purpouse xD
As things platyed out it seemed more like a plan Nove tought on the moment, which was a very smart move from her part indeed. When she realized Einhart is much tougher than she expected she decided to put a tracking device on her just in case she ended up getting her ass handed to her, which is exactly what happened xD
But yeah, the powerdown you mentioned makes little sense unless:
A) Nove is not as a good fighter as the plot claims or...
B) Fighters on the elite branch of the tournament are indeed just that powerfull. They're alites for a reason xD
The B option makes some sense specially considering Miura, Einhart and Rio impressed audiences, judges and veterans all the same for their unusual level of talent and power. As someone pointed out, just because Victoria, Micaiah and the others seem to be as powerfull as the combat cyborgs doesn't mean everyone in the tournament is just as strong. We saw plenty of Red Shirt contestants on the early stages of the tournament and even between the Elites are glaringly notorious power gaps like the one between Els Tamin and the veterans Harii and Victoria.
Well to be honest there are a lot of gaping plot holes in the Nanoha stories which kinda distorted exactly how much difference there are between power VS skill, such as how Nanoha and Fate would've surely, most definitely beat the hell outta most of the competitors we're seeing right now, at the age of 9. When Nanoha was still a greenhorn. Because their sheer firepower would blow the heck out of anyone.
Goddamn Starlight Breaker after a few months practicing with magic.
I would interpret the Nove VS Einhart situation as: 1) Nove no longer fights to kill or severely incapacitate her opponents as before, 2) Nove was hinted to be struggling internally about how she should grow in the future thus becoming unsure of her fighting style, 3) Nove plans to capture Einhart with the minimal possible injuries and so held back a LOT, 4) Nove wanted to test out Einhart's intentions - since she is hunting to fight masters of magic all over the place - to see if they're malicious or not.
She didn't seem like the type who would lose on purpose to me.
Consider the following scenario.
1) Kill a bear.
2) Wrestle a bear into submission without causing lasting physical harm to it, AND tag a tracking beacon on it without it noticing it.
Cheers.
So... why didn't Nove wrestle the beat into submission and arrest it? Would seem to be a bit more straightforward than simply appearing to lose and attaching a tracking beacon instead.
Note: the only thing I can think of, is that Nove wanted to see who else might be behind this, and tracking the person might lead them to other stuff. But it was never stated as such, and they didn't wait too long before tracking the person down, anyway.
Rising Dragon
2012-07-25, 22:24
To me it just looked like Einhart managed to catch Nove off-guard for a crucial moment and took her down with a single powerful attack, and Nove had planted the tracking device just in case things went south for her.
Or the author wrote it on the fly without much consideration of prior background.
Goddamn Starlight Breaker after a few months practicing with magic.
Given starlight breaker's radius and tendency to break barriers, I actually think that spell would be banned by virtue of busting the safeties of the ring and taking out the entire stadium.
Or the author wrote it on the fly without much consideration of prior background.
Tsuzuki? Not paying attention to previous background? Preposterous!
darkhalo191
2012-07-26, 06:04
In my honest opinion,
Nove lost her cool during that fight, a costly mistake. She also assumed that Einhart would defend instead of countering, leaving her open.
Don't fuck with me!
You damn idiot!!!
There's something wrong with her to throw away her defence and plan this bind..
She planted the tracker in case Einhart got away so that others could find or subdue her. It would be crucial to her since she thought that Einhart wanted to severely harm or kill Vivio and Ix.
You want to blast the Sankt Kaiser and Queen of the Netherworld, right?
In chronological order, taken from
chapter 4, pages 14, 15 and 18
chapter 5, page 12.
Vivio Rio and Corona cried (in one page).
00-Raiser
2012-07-29, 02:39
"We're losers, BAAAAAAAAAAW!!!"
Also, Micaiah/Nove
Well, it is kind of obvious that they'll cry... this is their first loss in an official tournament after all.
... A little too obvious with an obvious foreshadowing. >_>
Well, I did always take to the philosophy that people are better measured by how they lose than by how they win.
But then again, being a sore loser is one thing, but eh
w/e
00-Raiser
2012-08-28, 19:30
Einhart and Seiglinde start their fight. To be continued.
00-Raiser
2012-09-01, 10:46
After looking at the whole chapter the above summary is still accurate :heh: There's plenty of lead up to the battle, but nothing particularly noteworthy.
Einhart: "I'm a main character!"
Sieg: "Fans like me more."
Einhart: "Curse your inevitable cuteness!"
Sieg: "..."
Natch.
Takamura Mamoru
2012-09-01, 12:17
http://i.imgur.com/QbtbP.jpg
Judo? :uhoh:
Lycodrake
2012-09-01, 12:34
Corona is still my favorite of the character designs in Vivid.
Arashi: -///- B... Black...
Arashi: -///- B... Black...
And soon to be blue too. ;)
Narf.
00-Raiser
2012-09-01, 14:37
http://i.imgur.com/QbtbP.jpg
Judo? :uhoh:
That one throw did 3100 damage.
Amaterasu1963
2012-09-01, 22:34
Einhart made a great recovery though and Seig was impressed.
00-Raiser
2012-09-02, 02:02
Heh, I found that funny. Seiglinde gets ahold of Einhart's arm and to escape Einhart collects energy into her fist and uses it to sacrifice her sleeve :heh:
00-Raiser
2012-09-29, 23:18
Seiglinde uses pro wrestling moves like leg locks and stuff. She's also got a pair of gauntlets she equips and from the looks of things she's also a relative of yet another Ancient Belkan figure.
Takamura Mamoru
2012-09-29, 23:45
I knew it!
"Can you smell... what the Sieglinde... is cooking?"
Key Board
2012-09-30, 13:29
That's it.. I'm rooting for Miura
unless they somehow reveal that she's "special" too
I just saw the chinese scan for chapter 40 today. One thing I would like to say...Sieg is freaking sexy! Her barrier jacket is the most revealing one thus far. It does not help that she is cute too!
I just saw the chinese scan for chapter 40 today. One thing I would like to say...Sieg is freaking sexy! Her barrier jacket is the most revealing one thus far. It does not help that she is cute too!
What.
Even more than Lucetia?
That's kinda disturbing.
:heh:
Takamura Mamoru
2012-10-01, 09:24
Well, Slutecia's outfit only reveals her panties, Sieg has a miniskirt and MAXIMUM cleavage.
I actually never noticed how revealing her outfit was until pointed out just now. :uhoh:
Dunno, Shante "my top barely holds my breasts" Apinion still holds a top-contender card too. And she's no slouch in the miniskirt department either.
Justin_Brett
2012-10-01, 16:46
And then we have Micaiah and Victoria, who are better than all of them
I like Victoria for actually showing up in, well, actual armor. Yeah, it's still frilly and wouldn't stand up to any realistic analysis, but it's armor! Actual knight-like armor! And boy did it help her defense.
00-Raiser
2012-10-01, 17:32
Victoria actually calls Shante "The girl in the shameless outfit" during their fight :heh:
Akiyoshi
2012-10-01, 20:18
^Another reason as of why Victoria is just plain awesome xD
Well, Slutecia's outfit only reveals her panties, Sieg has a miniskirt and MAXIMUM cleavage.
I actually never noticed how revealing her outfit was until pointed out just now. :uhoh:
Fortunately, Sieglinde's name is a lot less prone to be twisted into shamefull nicknames
...go Lulu ToT
English scans are out for chapters 29 and 30.
Corona's skill sounds like recording attacks
I said it before, and I'll say it again: Corona continues to be my favorite. Not just in her unique and interesting magical skills, but her temperament and personality.
And Shante is... quite the nun. Methinks she didn't exactly take a vow of shame.
00-Raiser
2012-10-05, 22:35
Corona's skill sounds like recording attacks
That's essentially it. She controls her body like she controls her golem: by giving it preset commands. The commands she programmed herself with are her friends' attack patterns.
Wonder if its limited by only recording unarmed fighters
And Vivio and Einhart's fight where Vivio used Accel smash looks the same... As the end of 28th chapter
Seems Olivie knows the skill too. Wonder how Corona got it.
Rising Dragon
2012-10-06, 00:51
And Shante is... quite the nun. Methinks she didn't exactly take a vow of shame.
Do they even have such a vow? I mean... they let Sein in, after all, and one of her more memorable actions in ViVid was copping a feel on the church's diety of worship.
00-Raiser
2012-10-06, 00:52
Seems Olivie knows the skill too. Wonder how Corona got it.
It's a by-product of her puppetmaster abilities.
Also, the Saint Church is very loose in its beliefs, which is why it's so popular. Shante can probably do whatever she wants.
Rising Dragon
2012-10-06, 00:57
That's... pretty obvious, given the way she dresses. ._.
I'm mostly joking about the nun and vow thing. The Japanese have a fairly strong anime history of ignoring actual nun things and details, and just treating it like another religion. Of course, that kinda defeats the purpose of being a nun, but well... I think there is a trope for that.
And nuns usually take vows of celibacy and sobriety, so technically there isn't one for shame. It's just kinda taken for granted (hence, the standard black nun full body robes).
My other thought is that she's in a secret slut-dress contest with Lutecia. ^_^
Well, Japan doesn't have as strong a Christian base compared to western countries, making it easier to mess around with it (because believe it or not, there are a lot of Christian extremists in the west making life difficult for people mocking Christianity).
Though of course, nuns with guns is nothing new to the west either.
00-Raiser
2012-10-14, 21:50
Full raws of chapter 41 don't really add much information, though Seiglinde really does love her pro wrestling moves.
Random Wanderer
2012-10-16, 21:04
Oh, Sieg finally gets to fight? It doesn't sound like she's really showing off what she's capable of, though. She's the Interdimensional Champion: she has never lost a match. She should be able to crush any of our girls.
So... at the current rate of translation, I'll get to see her fight in about... a-year-and-a-half, roughly?
Anyway, Corona vs Einhart fight was interesting. Might have been more so if I hadn't run out of patience long ago and read comments here telling me how it turned out.
Slilent Type
2012-10-19, 23:40
I said it before, and I'll say it again: Corona continues to be my favorite. Not just in her unique and interesting magical skills, but her temperament and personality.
And Shante is... quite the nun. Methinks she didn't exactly take a vow of shame.
Agreed! I think she is just about the only one who has to put effort into improving. Although I find myself still confused has to how channeled the golem's strength since it seems to be mass based, and...well Corona does not have that much mass. Still Great fight, I was ready to wash my hans of Vivd. Now all they need to draft her and that should help improve the IQ of Squad a bunch. Unfortunately, I am only slightly joking considering some of events in the Nanohaverse:heh:
00-Raiser
2012-10-28, 11:28
Extensive flashback to the last time Klaus had seen Olivie. Even Vivio is affected by it.
After which, more fightan.
Justin_Brett
2012-10-28, 12:24
Olivie why are you wearing gauntlets in a dress.
green-link94
2012-10-28, 12:41
Those aren't gauntlets they're prosthetics.
I think.
00-Raiser
2012-10-28, 13:00
Eh, I don't think so but we do know she doesn't have normal use of at least one of her arms.
biodude711
2012-10-28, 13:01
How do we know this?
00-Raiser
2012-10-28, 15:18
Einhart's flashback when she was fighting Corona.
green-link94
2012-11-15, 14:49
Well now that I have seen the entirety of chapter 42 it confirms that Olive does indeed have prosthetics.
Rising Dragon
2012-11-15, 15:51
What's the full details then? As far as I know things are only translated up to chapter 30.
biodude711
2012-11-15, 16:38
What's the full details then? As far as I know things are only translated up to chapter 30.
8th page of Chapter 42, top right panel. You can see Olivie's sleeve hangs freely.
Rising Dragon
2012-11-15, 17:33
I don't have access to the raws, sadly.
Akiyoshi
2012-11-15, 19:23
Maybe her missing arm was before the Saint War and her body was reconstructed when she was modified into the Sankt Kaiser o.o?
Rising Dragon
2012-11-15, 19:30
Maybe she picked a fight with Lucy.
/justwentthere
00-Raiser
2012-11-15, 19:52
8th page of Chapter 42, top right panel. You can see Olivie's sleeve hangs freely.
Not only that, but Klaus is carrying her arm.
But it looks like Seiglinde is the descendant/whatever of the person who maimed/killed Olivie.
Not only that, but Klaus is carrying her arm.
But it looks like Seiglinde is the descendant/whatever of the person who maimed/killed Olivie.
... Seiglinde is part Mazoku?
*Shot for reference*
Justin_Brett
2012-11-15, 22:14
Some kind of berserker, maybe?
I just want to see the Thunder Emperor.
00-Raiser
2012-11-16, 22:56
I just want to see the Thunder Emperor.
Well the next chapter to be scanlated is Victoria's fight against Shante, so you'll get your Thunder Emperor fix.
Would be nice if it was released in the next few days or so...
Rising Dragon
2012-11-16, 22:57
Would be nice if they'd bloody translate these things at a reasonable pace. We're what, 12 chapters behind?
Justin_Brett
2012-11-16, 23:44
No, I mean, the actual Thunder Emperor from Ancient Belka. He's gotta be pretty cool.
Rising Dragon
2012-11-16, 23:46
Yeah. We might get a flashback for it. Might.
00-Raiser
2012-11-22, 18:59
Chapters 31-32 are out now.
It's really not a good idea to piss Victoria off.
Victoria does not f*** around...
Justin_Brett
2012-11-23, 09:51
"Those claiming to be the descendants of the Thunder Emperor shouldn't be this refined."
So far my mental picture of the guy as Rider hasn't been dissuaded.
Form Sixty Eight! [Helmet Crusher!] - A stunning special move that consists of just pushing your opponent's head into the ground. Love the Japanese for giving every mundane move a special name. I think Victoria, more than Sieg, strikes me as the "Final boss." Or at least, the final person Einhart will fight in the tournament.
Shante seems to beat Teana in illusion power; Teana had to remain still in order to generate that many clones. And yet, despite a mid-fight emotional flashback, Shante still lost. The power of the mid-fight emotional flashback wasn't enough!
Lastly, Vivio/Miura starts. And we get typical shonen "we're both having fun smashing the shit out of each other" moments.
Justin_Brett
2012-11-23, 11:16
Again, I could see a dude like Rider just writing down a hundred moves to use at any moment, even if they don't need a name.
Akiyoshi
2012-11-23, 11:30
I really enjoyed Victoria's fight. Shante's pwoerset is pretty cool being the first mage on the franchise able to produce a true "shadow clone" technique and her attacks ae flashy as hell and i like flashy, on the other hand Victoria is knightly Ojou armed with a Halberd and who fights like a true Mighty Glacier, some of her moves are flashy as well but she's much more skilled and don't waste energy on unecessary complex moves ...the "helmet crush" finisher was both simple and awesome xD!
Sieglinde is cool but Victoria is still my favourite among the Tournamen't newly introduced cast.
00-Raiser
2012-11-23, 16:26
My favourite line was "Truely bad... Mistress is going to fall into poor temperament." Typing out such formal speak is kind of fun :)
I also like the panel in the chapter after that has the announcer go on about Miura's strength and Micaiah's all "Well obviously." Corona panics and Einhart looks like she wants to GTFO. :heh:
Slilent Type
2012-11-23, 19:51
My favourite line was "Truely bad... Mistress is going to fall into poor temperament." :heh: Yes indeed, but how many Saber lookalikes does the Nanohaverse need.
I also like the panel in the chapter after that has the announcer go on about Miura's strength and Micaiah's all "Well obviously." Corona panics and Einhart looks like she wants to GTFO. :heh: Actually, I just find Miura aggravating her fight was horribly absurd and I don't see how she won it other than plotkai, which is really sad because Vivid barely has a plot.
00-Raiser
2012-11-23, 20:30
Aside from wearing dress like armor, Victoria doesn't resemble Saber much.
And Miura's victory over Micaiah was mostly to do with conflicting fighting styles. Micaiah goes for the quick victory in one blow because her defense is utter shit. Miura managed to survive long enough to deal a super heavy blow for the win. It was like scissors vs paper.
Justin_Brett
2012-11-23, 22:03
Isn't whether a character acts like another more important?
Slilent Type
2012-11-23, 22:30
Aside from wearing dress like armor, Victoria doesn't resemble Saber much.
And Miura's victory over Micaiah was mostly to do with conflicting fighting styles. Micaiah goes for the quick victory in one blow because her defense is utter shit. Miura managed to survive long enough to deal a super heavy blow for the win. It was like scissors vs paper. Ok I must have confused it with a picture from force or something I see what you're say with Miura's victory it still seems odd considering the match came down to quick attack which her opponent specialized in, but I retract the plotkai accusation.
Isn't whether a character acts like another more important? True, but personalities take much more time to flush out, so resorting to stock for lesser characters is more expected than an character's looks since the art is sort of a big thing with manga.
Did Victoria get angry cause Shante attacks like an assassin (not sending herself directly) or was it cause of the shadow clones?
00-Raiser
2012-11-24, 01:49
Those are essentially the same things. Shante had been hiding herself and not fighting directly the whole time, and Victoria did not appreciate such cowardly tricks.
Not really (if the second clone was her, it would have been fine). But since none of the ones she was fighting the real deal, that was the last straw that broke the camel's back
She reminds me of Saber/Lancer
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