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i didn't see a thread like this so i'll post it.
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(ANN)
Alternative title:
Mahō Shōjo Lyrical Nanoha ViVid (Japanese)
魔法少女リリカルなのはViVid (Japanese)
(Onemanga)
Genre: action, fantasy, sci-fi, shounen, supernatural
Author: Tsuzuki Masaki
Artist: Fujima Takuya
Summary:
Set 4 years after StrikerS, Nanoha finally has time to get off her feet, now explore the Nanoha world in Vivio Takamichi's shoes and her device, Sacred Heart.
Tempest Dynasty
2009-08-22, 15:13
This... feels unnecessary with the existence of the manga thread.
This... feels unnecessary with the existence of the manga thread.
Quoted for emphasis.
synaesthetic
2009-08-22, 15:43
ViVid isn't just a short "All There in the Manual" style story like the other manga have been. ViVid and Force should have their own threads, since they are technically the "fourth season" of Nanoha.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-22, 16:01
There's no reason though because it's still manga, and they both fall under the catagory of Nanoha manga discussion. Having a seperate thread for both of them seems like a waste.
TheShinySword
2009-08-22, 16:06
There's no reason though because it's still manga, and they both fall under the catagory of Nanoha manga discussion. Having a seperate thread for both of them seems like a waste.
Truth. Manga thread is for manga discussion. Not only certain Nanoha manga. This thread is unnecessary.
synaesthetic
2009-08-22, 21:18
If the mods didn't want this thread here it wouldn't have been created since you know, we don't have access to do so without asking them.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-22, 21:24
If the mods didn't want this thread here it wouldn't have been created since you know, we don't have access to do so without asking them.
Unless it was made without permission from the mods and they haven't noticed it yet.
There's no reason for this thread to exist seperately from the manga thread. The manga thread is for discussion of Nanoha manga, in all its shapes and forms. Vivid and Force are both Nanoha manga, regardless of plot and appearance. There's no need for them to have their own threads.
The Guy Named Zeo
2009-08-22, 21:28
If the mods didn't want this thread here it wouldn't have been created since you know, we don't have access to do so without asking them.
This thread wasn't made by a mod, so it was probably moved here or made without permission.
Rising Dragon
2009-08-22, 22:09
In likelihood it was moved here by a mod who was unaware of the Manga Thread's existence.
synaesthetic
2009-08-22, 22:40
I understand the need for organization but sometimes it is really hard to go through a thread with multiple hundreds of pages when the search function is utter bunk.
Now this thread has gone completely offtopic and been derailed entirely.
MeisterBabylon
2009-08-22, 22:58
Let's stop and make use of it then! Come on, a dedicated thread to mein Kaiser is the embodiment of her infinite will!
So let's bask in her lolitius glory and be merry. :D
That said, I have no idea how to kick off this thread proper... Post summaries so far perhaps? :heh:
When will Vivid chapter 4 come out?
M.Marangio
2009-08-23, 10:27
When will Vivid chapter 4 come out?
Comp Ace #10 will be released on August 26.
Triple_R
2009-08-25, 18:33
I just wrote a blog entry briefly reviewing this manga, though with the broader (and earlier) focus being on the three animes. You have to scroll down to where I mention this manga in red text if you want to just read the manga review.
You can find it here:
http://assessingtheanime.blogspot.com/2009/08/nanohas-greatest-enemy-numbers.html
It's a bit of a long read, but it's all about Nanoha, so I think that at least some folks here might enjoy reading it. :)
itanshi1
2009-08-25, 18:39
nice review, but you are a wee bit incorrect about the bath scene. Parents bathe with their young children (more like one parent does) in japan, its normal enough. So this is innocent, but still gratuitous from a fan pov.
there's no sex implied, just stupid extra nudity
I just wrote a blog entry briefly reviewing this manga, though with the broader (and earlier) focus being on the three animes. You have to scroll down to wear I mention this manga in red text if you want to just read the manga review.
You can find it here:
http://assessingtheanime.blogspot.com/2009/08/nanohas-greatest-enemy-numbers.html
It's a bit of a long read, but it's all about Nanoha, so I think that at least some folks here might enjoy reading it. :)
GAH! MY EYES! THEY BLEED!
*Turns on the light* Oh, good, they stopped...
(The blog was rather dark in color (compared to this site) then I popped right back over here, stark contrast.)
As for what you had there...
Yep... That *IS* the problem with Nanoha right now. Character inflation with lots of protagonists?
I still say that Sound Stage X (being rather important to the plot of ViVid) should get an OVA or something.
Triple_R
2009-08-25, 19:10
nice review, but you are a wee bit incorrect about the bath scene. Parents bathe with their young children (more like one parent does) in japan, its normal enough. So this is innocent, but still gratuitous from a fan pov.
there's no sex implied, just stupid extra nudity
Thanks for the info and I'm glad you liked the review! Your info does make me feel a fair bit better about that scene.
So... this gives Nanoha ViVid a 9/10 ranking for me. Very good for a manga, as I'm more of an anime guy myself.
GAH! MY EYES! THEY BLEED!
*Turns on the light* Oh, good, they stopped...
(The blog was rather dark in color (compared to this site) then I popped right back over here, stark contrast.)
Heh, finding a good blog look appears to be my biggest challenge. :heh:
As for what you had there...
Yep... That *IS* the problem with Nanoha right now. Character inflation with lots of protagonists?
The cast is just too big for its own good. This could be an asset though - you could easily have three good almost entirely separate animes with this cast!
I still say that Sound Stage X (being rather important to the plot of ViVid) should get an OVA or something.
When I read ViVid, I got the sense that there's a big gap between Striker S and this, and that a fair bit happened in that gap... leaving me a bit in the dark. :heh:
Animating Sound Stages would help a lot here, agreed.
Thanks for the info and I'm glad you liked the review! Your info does make me feel a fair bit better about that scene.
So... this gives Nanoha ViVid a 9/10 ranking for me. Very good for a manga, as I'm more of an anime guy myself.
Heh, finding a good blog look appears to be my biggest challenge. :heh:
The cast is just too big for its own good. This could be an asset though - you could easily have three good almost entirely separate animes with this cast!
When I read ViVid, I got the sense that there's a big gap between Striker S and this, and that a fair bit happened in that gap... leaving me a bit in the dark. :heh:
Animating Sound Stages would help a lot here, agreed.
Four years, with Sound Stage X happening 1 year before ViVid...
I did the years that the major events happen by the Midchildan calandar...
65 - Precia Testatrossa and Book of Darkness incident.
67 - Nanoha gets severely injured and recovers along with Hayate. Both use Zafira to help them get around when not in wheelchairs
71 - Distant Finale of As, Subaru and Ginga are saved from an airport fire by Nanoha and Fate respectively.
75 - Jail Scagiletti
78 - Sound Stage X
79 - ViVid
81 - Force
67 - Nanoha gets severely injured and recovers along with Hayate. Both use Zafira to help them get around when not in wheelchairs
Where is it mentioned that Nanoha and Hayate recover with each other and use Zafira to walk around?
Where is it mentioned that Nanoha and Hayate recover with each other and use Zafira to walk around?
M4, when Hayate talks with Zafira and Nanoha gives Hayate a call.
Same_Shark
2009-09-19, 01:27
When will Vivid chapter 4 come out?
Chapter 4 is okay. It's mainly Subaru vs. Ingvalt.
Rising Dragon
2009-09-19, 01:35
Chapter 4 is okay. It's mainly Subaru vs. Ingvalt.
Nove vs. Ingvalt, actually, but you can be forgiven for the mistake. In black and white the two are practically identical.
Aren't they technically twins?
RadiantBeam
2009-09-20, 17:46
Aren't they technically twins?
Technically they're blood related, but I'm not so sure about them actually being twins.
So out of all the numbers, Nove is the only one related to Subaru and Ginga?
RadiantBeam
2009-09-20, 18:12
So out of all the numbers, Nove is the only one related to Subaru and Ginga?
Yeah, she is. She was created from Quint's genetic material just like Subaru and Ginga were.
The only other ones that I know of are that Deed and Otto are blood-sisters and that Uno is an opposite sex clone of Jail (and Tre and Quattro, possibly as well).
Cinque, Sein, Wendi, Dieci, and Sette I can't tell you.
Same with Due, but she's dead, she don't count anymore.
itanshi1
2009-09-20, 18:21
he impregnated a clone of himself with a clone of himself?
Rising Dragon
2009-09-20, 18:22
he impregnated a clone of himself with a clone of himself?
He's a mad scientist for a reason, ya know.
RadiantBeam
2009-09-20, 18:32
he impregnated a clone of himself with a clone of himself?
Jail has no morals, really.
he impregnated a clone of himself with a clone of himself?
That's just CREEPY...:twitch:
So is Vivio a clone whose original was a guy?
itanshi1
2009-09-20, 18:53
According to ixpellia, vivio is a clone of the original, no changes made presumably
RadiantBeam
2009-09-20, 19:01
So is Vivio a clone whose original was a guy?
Vivio is a clone of a queen from the Belkan times, so no gender changes were made.
Rising Dragon
2009-09-20, 19:17
I thought she was the clone of a King, not a Queen. Just that said King was female.
RadiantBeam
2009-09-20, 19:19
I thought she was the clone of a King, not a Queen. Just that said King was female.
Was she? My bad, I must have misread that part.
Kaiser means king...
Saint Kaiser Olivie.
The original (and mistaken) translation was "Saint Kaiser Oliver" XD
Chapter 4 was lacking Fate completely. :(
She was in the last page in the background with Nanoha while Vivio looked on worried.
Kaiser means king...
Saint Kaiser Olivie.
The original (and mistaken) translation was "Saint Kaiser Oliver" XD
Wait...where does "Vivio" come out of all that? :confused:
Wait...where does "Vivio" come out of all that? :confused:
Olivie...
Vivio...
Well...
I'd say Vivio's memories were a little swiss cheesed when she first woke up... Maybe the people closest to her called her "Vi", but she knew that there was an "O" in her name, so she just went "ViViO."
*Scratches chin* Actually, when she first introduced herself, she went "Vi Vi O."
RadiantBeam
2009-09-21, 10:58
Wait...where does "Vivio" come out of all that? :confused:
Vivio is a clone of Sankt Kaiser Olivie. How Vivio came out of that, I have no clue. Probably like Nanya said, her memories were a little messed up when she woke and she added a V and an O to her name. Actually... did Vivio even know back then that she was a clone of the Sankt Kaiser? She didn't seem to know until later.
A closet nickname that survived through her cloned memories perhaps? Whereby only those closest to the Kaiser were privy to it.
Wow, and how do genetic clones inherit the memories of their originals if I may ask?
The 'how' I do not know, but didn't Fate carry over Alicia's memories as well?
Wow, and how do genetic clones inherit the memories of their originals if I may ask?
The 'how' I do not know, but didn't Fate carry over Alicia's memories as well?
I thought that Vivio was brought to life through Project F like Erio and Fate were.
prescience
2009-09-21, 11:28
Wow, and how do genetic clones inherit the memories of their originals if I may ask?
... magic?
XenahortCharybdis
2009-09-21, 12:01
... magic?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a winner!
Well, it seems to be that there is a technique for replicating memories: Jail can do it, Precia can do it, hell, I wouldn't faceflip if the Kaiser's retainers could do it too.
prescience
2009-09-21, 12:15
Yeah, Precia's research was actually based on Jail's earlier work, so Vivio was probably cloned using the same tech as Fate and Erio. Not sure if it's canonically stated anywhere, but it would make sense.
AdmiralTigerclaw
2009-09-21, 12:21
The answers to these questions and more are buried deep in the darkest recesses of Quantum Mechanics, where an electron making a left turn in the sidewalk in Albequerqui, New Mexico spontaniously causes a supernova half way across the visible universe.
"Magic? Fool, this is Quantum Mechanics! The most intimidating subject known to man! "
prescience
2009-09-21, 12:25
Oh dear... I just had a mental image of Richard Feynman doing an impression of Leonidas...
*head asplodes*
Yeah, Precia's research was actually based on Jail's earlier work, so Vivio was probably cloned using the same tech as Fate and Erio. Not sure if it's canonically stated anywhere, but it would make sense.
But they didn't have any memories of the original Kaiser when they cloned her. All they took was a DNA sample that took Due to go in and seduce the dirty old guy. But then again... A hot nun making eyes at me? I'd give in faster than Fate in Sonic Form in need of a toilet.
I once watched this show(can't remember the title now), where memories were subtly woven into every DNA strain as a person grows. Load of bull, in my opinion. Aeon Flux had something like this too.
Of course, there's always the option of fabricated memories, but don't hold my word on that.
XenahortCharybdis
2009-09-21, 12:47
Of course, there's always the option of fabricated memories, but don't hold my word on that.
I think taking you to task for linking Vivio with Weapon X is light enough a slap on the wrist?
And hold on a minute; who said Vivio had memories of being the Kaiser conveniently copy-pasta'd over in the first place? Either I'm missing something somewhere, or...
Just a possibility. Erio noted her abilities were beyond that of any child for her age and linked her as a product of artificial mage projects. Vivio herself had some inkling about it as noted on the Cradle showdown.
Though the breaking point is that she was copied off dried blood on a piece of centuries old cloth..
itanshi1
2009-09-21, 14:23
<.< shroud? Heh, cute then
Well...I guess Vivio was confused after all...:heh:
Hmm...now that everyone brought up basically the history of our dear Sankt Kaiser, when was she cloned? I wonder if it was explained in the manga.
But they didn't have any memories of the original Kaiser when they cloned her. All they took was a DNA sample that took Due to go in and seduce the dirty old guy. But then again... A hot nun making eyes at me? I'd give in faster than Fate in Sonic Form in need of a toilet.
If I was drinking something when I read the last part, I would've spat the whole thing out due to laughter. :D:heh:
AdmiralTigerclaw
2009-09-21, 16:14
What else do you think would happen if you spiked Fate's drink with Ex Lax?
<_<
*Moves bottle with part of label saying "-Lax" out of webcam view...*
Not that I would know from experience... mind you.
MeisterBabylon
2009-09-21, 20:58
ATC raised a good point. A few years back, I read a journal article about how a certain mathematical formula drawing on quantum mechanics could recreate the memories and consciousness of a person from anywhere in time and space, just that it needed tremendous computing power and intimate knowledge of the variables involved.
Maybe the scientists of Project F have worked that formula out, and I believe they have the muscle to make it happen. All they need then is the DNA to make the body, and then download whatever the program has simulated into her.
However, as with all cases of "ghost-dubbing", memories are usually disjointed from the person, as in, the "proprioceptive" information attached to the memories are missing, hence why the person with the memories may see himself/herself in them, but not feel that it is her. This could account for the lack of attachment we see across the board from Fate to Erio to Vivio.
(Fate's a unique psychological case where she convinced herself that even when the memories said "Alicia" it was refering to herself. Once that myth was dispelled however, she appears more detached, along with the other examples of Project F we know)
This is just theory-crafting. For the facts, it's best to ask Aozaki Tohko who headed Project F. :uhoh:
Lord Pertinax
2009-09-21, 21:23
No idea when num 5 will came out?
itanshi1
2009-09-21, 21:24
I'm not sure vivio is as advanced ghost dubbing wise as fate was. did she escape early? Hmmm
In Vivio's case, her creators didn't seem to be interested in someone who thought she was the original person, like in Fate and Erio's case. She got whatever disorganized memories that the process gave her.
itanshi1
2009-09-21, 21:35
Yeah, should make it fun when she's expected to refill her role as the kaiser. I guess history will repeat without any side effects of dejavu... maybe.
In regards to the issue of memories in the clones created by Project F, I believe that biological factor plays a role in here. When Fate and Erio were created, their original genetics came from a young child. The biological age and the mental age of the original and the copy is very near to one another making it easy for them to adopt the memory that their original have. However, Vivio's original genetic came from an adult and having to put the memory of an adult into a child is not possible because the biological age and the mental age are different. Looking back when the first time Vivio appears. She acts like a normal child no matter how we look at it. Her instinct to look for her mother, being pampered and a crybaby is all cause due to her biological age that affects her mental age as well. I cannot understand why Jail is so proud about his success in creating the perfect clone because in the end, the clones will be affected by their biological body rather than their mental age. It is just like a forcing a 320GB worth of memory into a 40GB hard drive.
However, if their growth accelerated, then we might get a different effect where their biological body is able to support their previous mental age and memory. Having an expanded hard drive will help in terms of storing previous memory. The brain is like a hard drive where it needs expansion from time to time.
For Heidi’s case, there is a possibility that she could be a clone that is brought up believing that she is the original person through learning and conditioning.
Rising Dragon
2009-09-21, 21:47
In the case of Jail, he really doesn't care about Vivio's psychological health so long as Vivio's body is capable of resurrecting the Saint's Cradle. And in that regard, Vivio was very much a success.
But when was Vivio CREATED? Five years before the Strikers storyline or the day before she was found?
But when was Vivio CREATED? Five years before the Strikers storyline or the day before she was found?
Only Jail will know. Both are possible since we know that some of the cyborgs get growth acceleration.
But I think it is time to speculate what might happen in the upcoming chapter. I think we might get some emo scene and Vivio meeting jail bait Heidi. I have this feeling telling me we will see Jail soon in this manga. I can see that he will play Hannibal Lecter in this manga.
Only Jail will know.
Even he do not know. Only when she couldn't be. She was created by side party from Jail-distributed sample.
I wonder how she celebrates her birthday then...:confused:
I wonder how she celebrates her birthday then...:confused:
the day she meet Nanoha for the 1st time ?
the day she was befriended ? ;)
the day Nanoha was declared her guardian ?
random day of the year ?
the Saint King's birthday?
Hope that will be covered in the manga. Speaking about birthday, looks like no one celebrate their birthfay in this series.
itanshi1
2009-09-22, 10:37
To think we enjoy the series for its ability to convey things in brevity, but it could be a bit longer and more explored, indeed.
We risk going all star warsian novel wise, but i dunno, many of those are good so i hear.
MeisterBabylon
2009-09-22, 10:48
It's probably on the way... And if you count fanwork, in Asuki alone we've elaborated on Belka and Midchilda to great lengths, with ideas for other races like Britainnian, Romagnian, etc...
They made a big, but empty world, and so we live to fill it.
itanshi1
2009-09-22, 10:57
ah yes we do, but i could do without massive crossovers x_x; I'm at least trying to build up the back story and explain the wars and great disasters.
I love what I mean to do with jail later
He resurrects the cradle hoping it is destroyed so it cannot be used in the next war leaving the tsab at a grand disadvantage against ********
Estavali
2009-09-22, 11:13
the Saint King's birthday?
Hope that will be covered in the manga. Speaking about birthday, looks like no one celebrate their birthfay in this series.
Well, actually Hayate did, in a rather extraordinary fashion =3. No cakes, but she recieved a family as her birthday present =3
A's first episode, in case you ask.
@Itanshi, if that's what he wanted, he could have just informed the Bureau before he activated the Cradle and they'd happily blow it up for him in the ground. Especially if he put on a lights and sounds display to make them think it's in the process of activation and they'd better blast it before it lifts off.
itanshi1
2009-09-22, 13:26
that'd be no fun :P
*meekly* How many issues of Vivid has been released now? @_@
*meekly* How many issues of Vivid has been released now? @_@
4 chapters, the 5th one's due out in 7-10 days.
Only Jail will know. Both are possible since we know that some of the cyborgs get growth acceleration.
But I think it is time to speculate what might happen in the upcoming chapter. I think we might get some emo scene and Vivio meeting jail bait Heidi. I have this feeling telling me we will see Jail soon in this manga. I can see that he will play Hannibal Lecter in this manga.
Who's Heidi again?
MeisterBabylon
2009-09-22, 20:33
ah yes we do, but i could do without massive crossovers x_x; I'm at least trying to build up the back story and explain the wars and great disasters.
I love what I mean to do with jail later
He resurrects the cradle hoping it is destroyed so it cannot be used in the next war leaving the tsab at a grand disadvantage against ********Flaws aside, this reminds me of the Jail = Genome (from TTGL) khrack. :eyespin:
itanshi1
2009-09-22, 21:33
Who's Heidi again?
Hegemon Heidi E.S. Ingvault
prescience
2009-09-23, 03:53
... who is most likely the alter-ego of the yet-to-be-introduced Einhart Stratos...
RadiantBeam
2009-09-23, 08:40
Yep, most likely.
MeisterBabylon
2009-09-23, 08:53
I'm leaning towards most definitely now...
RadiantBeam
2009-09-23, 09:03
What a twist! *shot*
On the other hand, now we're all wondering when she will appear and how they will reveal it. So there's still plenty of suspense to be had.
Shikimori Kazuki
2009-09-23, 15:35
i dont quite understand the situation here...i need some clearance, so this Heidi E. S. Ingvalt comes out and wants to kill the previous Sankt Kings (aka Vivio and Ix) ? i dont get it...so does this Heidi wants to rule over the previos Sankt Kings? im kind of lost on what she wants to do and the whole Sankt Kings thing:uhoh:
itanshi1
2009-09-23, 15:39
She explains her motive in chapter 4 pretty clearly. She wants to return the glory which the other kings lost. They stand in her way of doing so, it breaks down after that, but that's what befriending is for.
Shikimori Kazuki
2009-09-23, 15:43
She explains her motive in chapter 4 pretty clearly. She wants to return the glory which the other kings lost. They stand in her way of doing so, it breaks down after that, but that's what befriending is for.
so..she wants to bring back the old tradition Belka system back>:twitch:. and speaking of befriend, perhaps she might get befriend by Vivio:heh: just as what Nanoha did to Fate
itanshi1
2009-09-23, 15:46
well, yeah, that's what i meant
http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid/4/14/
Hmm so she blames the fall of the belkan empire on the other two. Thinking that F word in that page is a translation gaff. japanese don't curse really. if they did, they'd use english.
Lord Pertinax
2009-09-23, 16:49
She has a good reason to fight, to bring back the "ancien regime". It shall have a nice development. My only doubht is, more or less, how many time is spent between each episode?
prescience
2009-09-23, 17:10
so..she wants to bring back the old tradition Belka system back>:twitch:. and speaking of befriend, perhaps she might get befriend by Vivio:heh: just as what Nanoha did to Fate
At this point, I think that's more or less guaranteed...
She has a good reason to fight, to bring back the "ancien regime". It shall have a nice development. My only doubht is, more or less, how many time is spent between each episode?
The manga releases once a month (chapter 5 should be out on the 26th).
Lord Pertinax
2009-09-29, 22:26
The manga releases once a month (chapter 5 should be out on the 26th).
Thanks for the info.
RadiantBeam
2009-09-29, 22:32
New chapter comes out tomorrow, right?
prescience
2009-09-30, 00:56
Hope so. Seems I was wrong about the 26th. Force was definitely scheduled for the 30th, though.
Nina.Wolken
2009-09-30, 01:19
No Prescience, you were right, definitly. It's just that nobody uploaded it this time ;).
No Prescience, you were right, definitly. It's just that nobody uploaded it this time ;).
What? Why not?! I needs my ViVid fix, darn it!
itanshi1
2009-09-30, 13:49
Having two posts on the topic is confusing, the manga thread has the raws right now, so ... yeah
Having two posts on the topic is confusing, the manga thread has the raws right now, so ... yeah
How long you think it'll be before translations? *missed the releases of 3 and 4*
Vivio Testarossa
2009-10-03, 02:24
How long you think it'll be before translations? *missed the releases of 3 and 4*
A compliation of all chapters of Nanoba ViVid up to this point.
http://rapidshare.com/files/247105637/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid_Chapter_1.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/260445787/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_Vivid_-_02__E_.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/275363736/Nanoha_-ViVid-_Vivio_Memory_03.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/275358918/Vivio_Memory_04.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/275360615/Nanoha_ViVid_1-4_English.zip
I hope this is permissible to post links to translation of unlicensed manga.
Yeah, it is...
All Chapters of ViVid translated so far... (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/)
Lord Pertinax
2009-10-04, 00:25
A compliation of all chapters of Nanoba ViVid up to this point.
Thank you.
woot chapter 5 Vivid is out untranslated!
*looks at the raws*
*tosses it behind herself and just gives up on the series being about Vivio*
woot chapter 5 Vivid is out untranslated!
*looks at the raws*
*tosses it behind herself and just gives up on the series being about Vivio*
I thought the title made it obvious enough, Semetas-... i mean, Satashi... ^^;
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-05, 01:50
Who's uke damnit?! :eyespin:
RadiantBeam
2009-10-05, 08:42
*looks at the raws*
*tosses it behind herself and just gives up on the series being about Vivio*
It's about Vivio, but they need to develop other characters too, you know? :heh:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/LeviValor/Nanaho68.gif Stop making fun of me ukeness! @_@!
It's about Vivio, but they need to develop other characters too, you know? :heh:
lol that's a good one, you know the Nanoha series doesn't develop character!
RadiantBeam
2009-10-05, 12:14
lol that's a good one, you know the Nanoha series doesn't develop character!
Well, what's the good of giving Vivio a rival and friends if they aren't properly developed? :p
Well, what's the good of giving Vivio a rival and friends if they aren't properly developed? :p
The same as introducing 20 new characters in StrikerS and not developing them at all, then adding in even more people in Vivid and using Vivid's small time to develop the previous StrikerS characters while somehow managing to squeeze in 20 more characters that will just be glanced over as well. They have too many characters as it is, and I frankly don't even care about them anymore.
I was hoping for a series kind of like season one of Nanoah. You know, focusing on the main character *GASP!* and following her as she tries to figure out why her enimies are doing what they're doing. Near the middlish they would reveal why they're doing what they are, and Vivio would try her best to make friends with her during some climatic scene or battle, leading to a satisfying ending where Vivio accomplished her goal, saved some poor girl's life, and now understand how important friendship is, you know what Nanoha was originally about.
Instead we get a plot focusing on the numbers. But that's to be expected, sicne StrikerS was all about Subaru and the numbers anyway.
I probably won't even read anymore honestly, this series sucks worse than StrikerS and that's pretty dang bad in my book. T_T
Sorry, I ranted there >.< no offense meant to those who like the series. I guess I'm just bitter in my old age XDDD
itanshi1
2009-10-05, 13:03
By focusing on the numbers, you must mean the one number, Nove.
Also, the original series had almost a dozen characters, so this should do fine. There's nothing wrong with some of them being from strikers given the development of events. Also the development we speak of is a random chapter, not novels devoted to a character, heh.
Besides that, I was thinking, if this series is anything like 'romance of the three kingdoms' there is an anime for said title out this season. might be worth watching to get up to speed on the plot line.
I for one relish the Nove development. The Numbers barely got anything you can count as development in StrikerS, while Vivid gives a perfect setting to flesh them out more. Not to mention that Nove is, y'know, Vivio's teacher, and therefore an important character in Vivio's story.
I'm glad that this manga doesn't become another season 1. Don't get me wrong, I love Vivio and any screentime she gets is appreciated, but I found season 1 to be a slugging match. Hard to get through, and when you're done you're wondering if it was worth the effort. Vivid so far seems to follow the course of A's. It introduces the characters fast, explains their motivation fast, and focuses on all of them.
Variety, as I always say, is the spice of life.
prescience
2009-10-05, 13:58
I for one relish the Nove development. The Numbers barely got anything you can count es development in StrikerS, while Vivid gives a perfect setting to flesh them out more. Not to mention that Nove is, y'know, Vivio's teacher, and therefore an important character in Vivio's story.
I'm glad that this manga doesn't become another season 1. Don't get me wrong, I love Vivio and any screentime she gets is appreciated, but I found season 1 to be a slugging match. Hard to get through, and when you're done you're wondering if it was worth the effort. Vivid so far seems to follow the course of A's. It introduces the characters fast, explains their motivation fast, and focuses on all of them.
Variety, as I always say, is the spice of life.
Quoted for truth. I'm enjoying seeing Nove and Vivio getting more development than in StrikerS.
By focusing on the numbers, you must mean the one number, Nove.
Yeah, the rest of the Nakajima-ke and the Holy Numbers are really feeling the shaft. I want moar Ginga, and Cinque, and Wendi... :p
EDIT: At the end of the chapter Vivio mentions Lutecia. It'll be nice to see Lulu getting more screentime as well.
AtomicoX
2009-10-05, 14:00
I'm hoping for more \NUMBERS/ seeing as it's only the 5th yet. Ingvalt will certainly kick some more ass belonging to the rest of the cast. <3
RadiantBeam
2009-10-05, 14:03
If kicking ass leads to character development, then I'm all for it. <3
prescience
2009-10-05, 14:05
This is Nanoha. Kicking ass is the best way to guarantee character development :p
RadiantBeam
2009-10-05, 14:06
This is Nanoha. Kicking ass is the best way to guarantee character development :p
Quoted for truth. :p
Like I said I'm just bitter :3 But then again, that's why I write.
I think the main thing with me is seeing:
Not to mention that Nove is, y'know, Vivio's teacher, and therefore an important character in Vivio's story.
And I instantly think "Which one was Nove?" and then I see
Cinque, and Wendi...
and I have no clue which ones they were, nor do I know any of their development. Why is Nove Vivio's teacher? Last I saw they got their butts kicked and were put in a type of jail. So why is this person who kidnapped her, held her hostage, tried to take over the world... suddenly a buddy-friendly terms with the kid she did it to? What did I miss in the time span between StikerS and Vivid?
Apparently one sound stage is crucial because Ix(Ixxy? whatever her name is) is suddenly an important person and I have absolutely no clue who she is. T_T
Do I just need SSX I think? does that give detail on who these people are?
Yup that's pretty much it. You can actually find them over youtube after a simple search.
TheShinySword
2009-10-05, 15:48
You see Satashi, nothin' personal, but THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Sorry, but cha got no one to blame but yourself. (Besides is it that hard to just look 'em up on wiki? They have their own page)
itanshi1
2009-10-05, 15:51
Like I said I'm just bitter :3 But then again, that's why I write.
I think the main thing with me is seeing:
And I instantly think "Which one was Nove?" and then I see
and I have no clue which ones they were, nor do I know any of their development. Why is Nove Vivio's teacher? Last I saw they got their butts kicked and were put in a type of jail. So why is this person who kidnapped her, held her hostage, tried to take over the world... suddenly a buddy-friendly terms with the kid she did it to? What did I miss in the time span between StikerS and Vivid?
Apparently one sound stage is crucial because Ix(Ixxy? whatever her name is) is suddenly an important person and I have absolutely no clue who she is. T_T
Do I just need SSX I think? does that give detail on who these people are?
At the end of strikers, some are in rehab and subaru's dad, Genya, is watching them
Yes, Ix is one of the 3 kings so she is important. Go talk to AX, he has a youtube channel with translations
You see Satashi, nothin' personal, but THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Sorry, but cha got no one to blame but yourself. (Besides is it that hard to just look 'em up on wiki? They have their own page)
? I was actually clueless about all this manga-anime-sound stage mess that nanoha has till 1 month ago when Keroko told me how the sequence goes. Not every person out there interested in the Nanoha continuity has to know it by the letter you know. Specially in this kind of community which is, you know, anime oriented.
TheShinySword
2009-10-05, 15:53
*cough* this is primarily a personal me-making-fun-of-satashi-for-taking-forever-to-finish-STRIKERS (And subsequently forgetting most of it)
Seriously, Satashi, no excuse :p
SSX is the only real necessary soundstage to read but if you don't want to miss information then you need to read them all, a good portion are translated.
*cough* this is primarily a personal me-making-fun-of-satashi-for-taking-forever-to-finish-STRIKERS (And subsequently forgetting most of it)
Seriously, Satashi, no excuse :p
SSX is the only real necessary soundstage to read but if you don't want to miss information then you need to read them all, a good portion are translated.
I REALLY hope that SSX gets turned into an OVA.
Seriously, I do.
I REALLY hope that SSX gets turned into an OVA.
Seriously, I do.
And i really hope if they find money on OVA or movie they'll do another new part of the story.
Leave me alone Shiny T_T *cries in corner*
I can't help it, it took me a year and a half to finish StrikerS T_T It just..... *cough*sucked*cough*
But I can't really say much. I never finished season 1 of Nanoha till A's came out. I didn't finish A's until StrikerS came out, and I only finished StrikerS because I wanted to read Vivid.
... And yes, I wrote all my fics without watching past episode 13 of StrikerS :3
I have the wiki bookmarked, I use it when I write sometimes. I just don't like pausing what I'm doing to read about a character that I should have learned about more in the actual series instead of magazines and soundstages I didn't know existed lol *hugs Shiny*
But at any rate, I'm gonna check out those sound stages now :3
TheShinySword
2009-10-05, 17:23
Leave me alone Shiny T_T *cries in corner*
I can't help it, it took me a year and a half to finish StrikerS T_T It just..... *cough*sucked*cough*
But I can't really say much. I never finished season 1 of Nanoha till A's came out. I didn't finish A's until StrikerS came out, and I only finished StrikerS because I wanted to read Vivid.
... And yes, I wrote all my fics without watching past episode 13 of StrikerS :3
I have the wiki bookmarked, I use it when I write sometimes. I just don't like pausing what I'm doing to read about a character that I should have learned about more in the actual series instead of magazines and soundstages I didn't know existed lol *hugs Shiny*
But at any rate, I'm gonna check out those sound stages now :3
*hugs Satashi* They're good reads I prefer them to StrikerS actually.
You know, I actually found Strikers to be a lot better than the first and second seasons. My only problem with Strikers was the fact that it needed more battles and EPISODES!!!:D:D:D
*runs from Satashi*
itanshi1
2009-10-05, 18:12
I agree, not that it is better, that's an argument I'd not make, but yes it needed more episodes. It set out to do a lot of world building and I'm damn happy it did, but it has a lot more to do and well, they are doing it.
My feeling on it is that I wanted more to do with everyone. StrikerS seemed to focus primarily on Subaru (Hell, even the opening first displayed Subaru as if she were the main character. I even showed it to a friend of mine to try and get him into it, and he thought Subaru was Nanoha). I'm annoyed with Vivid because I just wanted to learn more about Vivio. If the manga is like 14 books long (books, not chapters) then by all means, lets focus on everyone! Like Negima! does. There are way to many characters, but every single one of them has a moment where they are the focus star of several chapters.
If Vivid does that, I would love it very, very much. Do we have an estimate of how long it will be?
RadiantBeam
2009-10-05, 18:41
If Vivid does that, I would love it very, very much. Do we have an estimate of how long it will be?
There's been no mention of how long it'll be, as far as I know.
TheShinySword
2009-10-05, 18:44
I can't imagine it'd be too terribly long. My guess is 3-5 volumes
Lord Pertinax
2009-10-05, 22:39
I REALLY hope that SSX gets turned into an OVA.
Seriously, I do.
Hope dies last.
There's been no mention of how long it'll be, as far as I know.
I can't imagine it'd be too terribly long. My guess is 3-5 volumes
I think I'd be content with 5 volumes, that's long enough to develop a handful of people.
Evil Rick
2009-10-05, 23:01
Like I said I'm just bitter :3 But then again, that's why I write.
I think the main thing with me is seeing:
And I instantly think "Which one was Nove?" and then I see
and I have no clue which ones they were, nor do I know any of their development. Why is Nove Vivio's teacher? Last I saw they got their butts kicked and were put in a type of jail. So why is this person who kidnapped her, held her hostage, tried to take over the world... suddenly a buddy-friendly terms with the kid she did it to? What did I miss in the time span between StikerS and Vivid?
Apparently one sound stage is crucial because Ix(Ixxy? whatever her name is) is suddenly an important person and I have absolutely no clue who she is. T_T
Do I just need SSX I think? does that give detail on who these people are?
I think I pointed this out, but's is good for me to see that I'm not alone with this thoughs.
Ehemmm... to resume, when you try to expand an universe in a very fast way with various styles of "stories" (tv show, manga, sound stages, novels,, movies, etc...) An important part of the croud will eventually get lost, and when someone get lost it's more easy to drop the story insetad of digging to find out, after all, the anime is to help people relax, pass a good time and forget a bit the problems of comon life, not to get headaches guessing, Who's this? Why is he doing this? What did I lost? Damn, must I investigate to understeand this?
In other words, adding some important in as "sound stage" that not everyone is able to get and when the main atractive aspect of this shopw was the visual delight may not be a very good idea. :uhoh:
Also, Nove doesn't feet the role of "protective teacher of a girl she totally ignored and acted careless in the last season"
Wanted a close combat teacher? Zaphira feets the role better.
Rising Dragon
2009-10-05, 23:03
Zafira can't teach with Vivio glued around his neck. :V
Dr. Casey
2009-10-05, 23:08
I think I'd be content with 50 volumes, that's long enough to develop a handful of people.
Fixed
Vivid's the greatest Nanoha series of all time, it should last a while.
My feeling on it is that I wanted more to do with everyone. StrikerS seemed to focus primarily on Subaru (Hell, even the opening first displayed Subaru as if she were the main character. I even showed it to a friend of mine to try and get him into it, and he thought Subaru was Nanoha). I'm annoyed with Vivid because I just wanted to learn more about Vivio. If the manga is like 14 books long (books, not chapters) then by all means, lets focus on everyone! Like Negima! does. There are way to many characters, but every single one of them has a moment where they are the focus star of several chapters.
That's not entirely incorrect, Nanoha has a tendency of doing this. A's is an even better example of this with Hayate, for example. While Nanoha certainly was a main character, the story itself revolved around Hayate more than it did Nanoha.
In StrikerS this is stlightly less the case. It focused a lot on Subaru, but Nanoha had a plotline of her own to follow.
I think I pointed this out, but's is good for me to see that I'm not alone with this thoughs.
Ehemmm... to resume, when you try to expand an universe in a very fast way with various styles of "stories" (tv show, manga, sound stages, novels,, movies, etc...) An important part of the croud will eventually get lost, and when someone get lost it's more easy to drop the story insetad of digging to find out, after all, the anime is to help people relax, pass a good time and forget a bit the problems of comon life, not to get headaches guessing, Who's this? Why is he doing this? What did I lost? Damn, must I investigate to understeand this?
In other words, adding some important in as "sound stage" that not everyone is able to get and when the main atractive aspect of this shopw was the visual delight may not be a very good idea. :uhoh:
Also, Nove doesn't feet the role of "protective teacher of a girl she totally ignored and acted careless in the last season"
Wanted a close combat teacher? Zaphira feets the role better.
I disagree, a wide variety of media means you will have a wider audience. People who didn't watch the anime could pick it up by reading the manga, or listening to the sound stages. While certainly the lack of access may be true for us western fans, as we would never have known the sound stages the way we do had it not been for the efforts of Nagumo, Password and Ato, this is not the case for the target audience: The Japanese fans.
To picture an example, how often has it not happened you turned to watch an anime because you read a manga? Or vice versa? The same thing is now the case here. One only needs to remember that anime isn't made with the western market in mind.
Nove not fitting as a teacher is a point of view, one I disagree with.
...
Wanted a close combat teacher? Zaphira feets the role better.
IMO there's alot of peoples that could have served as Vivio's intructor (Vita, Signum, Zaphira or even Ginga for exemple) but it looked to me that the author wanted to play the Yuri card and wanted to get a fresh start.
Thoses two points exclude alot of the cast, the Numbers in this context are usefull as they are not tied to any major characters and since Nove is their hand to hand heavy hitter it make sense that she's Vivio instructor in this context.
(Hope that i didnt mangled english grammar and synthax too badly :uhoh:).
Why do people keep neglecting the fact that the 7 Numbers are now reformed people who only performed acts of terrorism against the Bureau because that's how Jail brought the Numbers up to do them? It's been 4 years since StrikerS and the Bureau definitely wouldn't have them released into the population(even if they remain under the watchful eyes of the Bureau and the Church) unless they're certain that they have reformed and are not "baddies" now.
And as for Nove teaching Vivio... Have you Nove-haters all forgotten that Nove is the only one other than Subaru and Ginga(who are busier with their Bureau work) that can really help mentor Vivio in full contact fighting, because Zafira is now assisting Hayate in investigative work(refer to SSX) and Arf's still babysitting Chrono's kids?
TheShinySword
2009-10-06, 06:28
Also, Nove doesn't feet the role of "protective teacher of a girl she totally ignored and acted careless in the last season"
Wanted a close combat teacher? Zaphira feets the role better.
Keroko already said what I'd say except for...
Fit. Feet are those things on the end of your legs.
Nove ;-; why are you so hated? You're pretty icy chill too...
Like Fun~yan said, as much as I hate it, Zaffy can't be the one to teach Vivio because he's not there.
Also I don't get the numbers hate, people complain about them not having any characterization but that's exactly what they're getting now and people are complaining they're getting too much. D: Don't hate on them. They're not stealing screentime, they're part of the story (actually it's more like Nove's part of the story, everyone else has popped up significantly less), and if you haven't noticed Nove seems to be shacking up with Einheart right now so that might be kinda important. What I don't get is why they're apparently not allowed to be plot significant characters.
That's not entirely incorrect, Nanoha has a tendency of doing this. A's is an even better example of this with Hayate, for example. While Nanoha certainly was a main character, the story itself revolved around Hayate more than it did Nanoha.
In StrikerS this is stlightly less the case. It focused a lot on Subaru, but Nanoha had a plotline of her own to follow.
Yeah but Subaru is the focus of the series. Take any anime opening. Generally the first person you see is the main character. In Nanoha, and A's, your see Nanoha and Fate, then the people supporting them. In StrikerS you see Subaru in all her awesome glory right up front in your face. Then the plot priomarily focuses on Jail, the numbers, what they do, and Subaru is a major part in that.
But this isn't a StrikerS board :3
Vivid relies a lot on just assuming the people know WTF's going on. I agree that it's not aimed for Westies that can't follow the story because they couldn't get "coloring with Vivio!" book to follow the story.
I do think, however, that they are tossing characters aside too much. Just forgetting about them by saying "oh yeah Zafira? he's um... helping Hayate! who's um... Away! yeah, away, that's it!"
*sighs* I guess I'll have to wait for translated chapter 5 and hearing the SS to really enjoy Vivid and understand why Nove is there so much.
Oh, I don't dislike the numbers as the point of "hating on them" I was jsut annoyed that they all got introduced , blown up, reformed, all without any real understanding of why.
I do like Nove, looking back at her. Enough to make her someone Vivio looks up to.
I'll get the SSX tonight and see how it goes from there :3
( hugs Zafira)
edit: Page claim for leaving late for work to post this!
Expanding upon what I said, to say Nove is unfit to be an instructor because she was rash in StrikerS is like saying Fate is unfit to be a mother because she could barely look people in the eyes in A's. Characters grow, and four years have passed. Nove has become a lot more collected (maybe because of Vivio and her friends. Being an example who kids will follow can do wonders for the drive to change) and made a suitable instructor for Vivio.
Also, storywise Vivid focuses on Vivio and the numbers, while Force seems to feature the old cast. Wether Zafira will appear, and in how large a role, remains to be seen, however I would expect him in Force sooner than I would in Vivid.
Nove ;-; why are you so hated? You're pretty icy chill too...
I don't. Nove is <3
Yeah but Subaru is the focus of the series. Take any anime opening. Generally the first person you see is the main character. In Nanoha, and A's, your see Nanoha and Fate, then the people supporting them. In StrikerS you see Subaru in all her awesome glory right up front in your face. Then the plot priomarily focuses on Jail, the numbers, what they do, and Subaru is a major part in that.
And also Nanoha, Vivio and their relationship. Final battles are also key events, and Nanoha's battle was just a teeeny more important than Subaru's (whereas in A's, where the focus was on Hayate, it was Hayate who was key to defeating the Book of Darkness). Granted, the first episodes were focused almost exclusively on Subaru and Teana, but as soon as Vivio entered the fray you could almost see the camera jerk with the speed they re-directed the focus.
Oh, and while the second opening starts with Subaru, the first StrikerS opening does indeed start with Nanoha.
Vivid relies a lot on just assuming the people know WTF's going on. I agree that it's not aimed for Westies that can't follow the story because they couldn't get "coloring with Vivio!" book to follow the story.
I do think, however, that they are tossing characters aside too much. Just forgetting about them by saying "oh yeah Zafira? he's um... helping Hayate! who's um... Away! yeah, away, that's it!"
If they had ignored the Numbers, they would have been tossing characters aside as well. This really is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' kind of situation.
Evil Rick
2009-10-06, 14:42
Nove ;-; why are you so hated? You're pretty icy chill too...
Like Fun~yan said, as much as I hate it, Zaffy can't be the one to teach Vivio because he's not there.
Also I don't get the numbers hate, people complain about them not having any characterization but that's exactly what they're getting now and people are complaining they're getting too much. D: Don't hate on them. They're not stealing screentime, they're part of the story (actually it's more like Nove's part of the story, everyone else has popped up significantly less), and if you haven't noticed Nove seems to be shacking up with Einheart right now so that might be kinda important. What I don't get is why they're apparently not allowed to be plot significant characters.
They're hated because they did this on last season:
stcdeabi8WU
And, oh, who's that one?
Oh, yeah, it's Nove.
Uhmmm... ta-da?
And yet Fate pounded Nanoha, the Wolkies pounded Nanoha and Fate and nobody's hating on them.
Numbers are mostly hated because there were a lot of them, and they're hard to remember. We also didn't get to see much of their redemption, so for most of the western fans they're still firmly set in the minds as 'the bad guys' and thus placed in the category of Precia and the like. Bad guys often get an auto-hate.
And yet Fate pounded Nanoha, the Wolkies pounded Nanoha and Fate and nobody's hating on them.
Numbers are mostly hated because there were a lot of them, and they're hard to remember. We also didn't get to see much of their redemption, so for most of the western fans they're still firmly set in the minds as 'the bad guys' and thus placed in the category of Precia and the like. Bad guys often get an auto-hate.
Wendi and Nove were the two that I liked the most!
Especially Wendi...
"Can I blow them up?"
That's awesome! XD
synaesthetic
2009-10-06, 18:52
Villain auto-hate, low levels of screen time and poor characterization/writing cannot prevent Cinque from being Bad Ass.
TheShinySword
2009-10-06, 19:03
Actually when I was rewatching for the Cinque one shot I did, a tear came to my eye when I realized how much of a sacrifice Cinque was willing to make for Wendi and Nove, She tells them to go, not out of confidence, but because she doesn't want beserker Subaru to hurt them. Some of the numbers don't actually have that poor of characterization when you look closer (But a lot of us are so busy hating them we don't see it). What really tied the knot for Quattro's douchieness for me, wasn't her treatment of the heros but the treatment of her sisters. She treats the only younger number to not treat her like a loony, Deici, like a pile of poopoo. She's the reason Sette is an emotionless blob (though Tre the jerk had something to do with that too). A lot of it is there and then subsequently expanded on very nicely in the soundstages.
Sure it was expanded in the Sound Stages... but let me ask you, if no one bothered to translate the stupid extras, would anyone know what's the heck is going on in the damn Vivid manga?
I can only imagine what Nanoha fans in Europe (say, Germany?) are feeling if they don't have access to any sort of translation and can't figure out why the Numbers have turned good.
itanshi1
2009-10-06, 19:32
but some were in rehab at the end of strikers in the anime x_x
Not enough to justify that they turned good in the haters' eyes though.
itanshi1
2009-10-06, 19:36
We are worried about haters? I don't understand the need to.
RadiantBeam
2009-10-06, 19:37
I'm not worried about the haters.
TheShinySword
2009-10-06, 19:38
I only like lovers not haters... in bed *flees*
@Nagumo: And that is why I bow before you.
They're hated because they did this on last season:
stcdeabi8WU
And, oh, who's that one?
Oh, yeah, it's Nove.
Uhmmm... ta-da?
As I watched some of the other clips, I notice something hilarious: Whenever both Raging Heart and Bardiche do their attack upgrades in A's, they did something in common that reminded me of a comedian:
Raging Heart: (before attacking) "Divine Buster....(pause) ...Extension".
Bardiche: "Plasma Lancer...(pause)... Assault form." (After Attack)
Jalapeno: "Jalapeno...(pause)...on a stick".
If you know Jeff Dunham then you'll get the joke if not...*shrugs* Sorry...
Evil Rick
2009-10-06, 21:11
And yet Fate pounded Nanoha, the Wolkies pounded Nanoha and Fate and nobody's hating on them.
Numbers are mostly hated because there were a lot of them, and they're hard to remember. We also didn't get to see much of their redemption, so for most of the western fans they're still firmly set in the minds as 'the bad guys' and thus placed in the category of Precia and the like. Bad guys often get an auto-hate.
Fate and the Wolkis got a deep story and reasons for their motives and they showed redemption for theiR actions, something that we don't see with the numbers but a very small dust of regret coming from #10 at one of the last chapters.
Esentialy, everyone else told alredy why the numbers are "hated" (I add the " because in my case I don't hate them, I found them as "senseless characters in Vivid") so I have no need to point out any more.
As I watched some of the other clips, I notice something hilarious: Whenever both Raging Heart and Bardiche do their attack upgrades in A's, they did something in common that reminded me of a comedian:
Raging Heart: (before attacking) "Divine Buster....(pause) ...Extension".
Bardiche: "Plasma Lancer...(pause)... Assault form." (After Attack)
Jalapeno: "Jalapeno...(pause)...on a stick".
If you know Jeff Dunham then you'll get the joke if not...*shrugs* Sorry...
Off topic but yeah, I'm fan of Jeff Dunham specially when he has Pepe the Jalapeņo and Ahmed the death terrorist. XP
Off topic but yeah, I'm fan of Jeff Dunham specially when he has Pepe the Jalapeņo and Ahmed the death terrorist. XP
Yeah, it was sorta off topic...:heh: But I couldn't help myself! :P
Anyway, back on topic!
I was sorta disappointed with ch. 5. I mean, now we know who the villian is and her motives. Then the police forgave her as well as Nove! Come on!!! :frustrated: I was hoping for some BEFRIENDING, DAMMIT!
itanshi1
2009-10-06, 21:51
well if they can otp subaru and ixpellia then eh
i dunno what i'm reading anymore
RadiantBeam
2009-10-06, 21:52
i dunno what i'm reading anymore
... We're supposed to read? Not just look at the pretty pictures? D:
*shot*
TheShinySword
2009-10-06, 22:03
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Vivid Loli Fanservice
Wait ... you mean that isn't the name of the manga? (what is this reading thing you speak of?)
As for me, I didn't hate Wendi due to her wanting to blow stuff up...
And Nove's insecurities when she and Teana squared off at the very end actually endeared her to me.
I like characters who can actually show that they have real worries and insecurities.
Rising Dragon
2009-10-07, 01:19
And then everyone loved the pairing of Wendi and Nove thanks to Shiny.
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-07, 02:33
Which was weird from every other angle. :heh:
But that's cos I ship Genya X Nove!!! :(
Sure it was expanded in the Sound Stages... but let me ask you, if no one bothered to translate the stupid extras, would anyone know what's the heck is going on in the damn Vivid manga?
I can only imagine what Nanoha fans in Europe (say, Germany?) are feeling if they don't have access to any sort of translation and can't figure out why the Numbers have turned good.
That's why we go here for them. :p
Fate and the Wolkis got a deep story and reasons for their motives and they showed redemption for theiR actions, something that we don't see with the numbers but a very small dust of regret coming from #10 at one of the last chapters.
Yes, that's what I said. :p
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-07, 08:21
This is a perfect example why you are a Godsend for our Western brothers, Nagumo-chan. :D
TheShinySword
2009-10-07, 15:00
And then everyone loved the pairing of Wendi and Nove thanks to Shiny.
Why do you always say that like it's a bad thing?
Which was weird from every other angle. :heh:
But that's cos I ship Genya X Nove!!! :(
Which I find creepier on so many more levels.
Rising Dragon
2009-10-07, 15:26
I'm not saying it like its a bad thing!
TheShinySword
2009-10-07, 15:30
Okay then :)
RadiantBeam
2009-10-07, 17:02
I think it's a great thing! :D
WendiXNove is one of the few pairings in nanoha that I'll ship all the time. XD
RadiantBeam
2009-10-07, 17:13
If NovexWendi is even vaguely hinted at in Vivid, I will laugh. XD
Lord Pertinax
2009-10-07, 21:31
May be a dumb question...but any good site to see the manga? THanks.
http://www.mangafox.com/search.php?name=Nanoha
RadiantBeam
2009-10-07, 21:47
Mangafox and Onemanga both have it posted.
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-08, 01:44
Which I find creepier on so many more levels.So did the Gendou Hikari project. Like him, Genya ended up with a clone, or even clones, of his wife as his daughter. :uhoh:
I like being creeped out. :uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
prescience
2009-10-08, 02:17
?
I can't see what's so creepy about having clones of his wife as daughters. Shipping Nove x Genya, on the other hand...:uhoh:
Rising Dragon
2009-10-08, 02:35
Genya *probably* doesn't know that Nove has the same genetic material as his late wife.
Though from a genetic standpoint, their coupling is sound. Only when you put morals to it does it become a monster. >____>
Considering the girls will have maintenance of their own, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't know. Not that it matters, all that does is make Nove one of Quint's true daughters and Subaru and Ginga's biological sister.
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-08, 06:02
Despite being genetically correct, I ship Genya X Nove because it is morally forbidden and wrong. It's why CLAMP's pairings have always resonated well with me. :uhoh:
I think the only "wrong" pairing for me that is also morally wrong is wincest, but that's because I have a baby sister myself. :eyespin:
Lord Pertinax
2009-10-08, 13:53
http://www.mangafox.com/search.php?name=Nanoha
Thanks you very much.:)
TheShinySword
2009-10-08, 14:48
Despite being genetically correct, I ship Genya X Nove because it is morally forbidden and wrong. It's why CLAMP's pairings have always resonated well with me. :uhoh:
I think the only "wrong" pairing for me that is also morally wrong is wincest, but that's because I have a baby sister myself. :eyespin:
Well as a girl with a dad I'll just say this, ew.
RadiantBeam
2009-10-08, 19:28
Despite being genetically correct, I ship Genya X Nove because it is morally forbidden and wrong. It's why CLAMP's pairings have always resonated well with me. :uhoh:
I think the only "wrong" pairing for me that is also morally wrong is wincest, but that's because I have a baby sister myself. :eyespin:
...
*knows she can't say anything since one of her ongoing stories is a Miyuki X Nanoha fic*
Evil Rick
2009-10-11, 16:47
So, no translations of Vivid #5 yet?
itanshi1
2009-10-11, 17:47
no scanlations? i think, the translation was done, check the manga thread if it isn't here
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-11, 20:07
...
*knows she can't say anything since one of her ongoing stories is a Miyuki X Nanoha fic*I'm pretty sure Miyuki is adopted rather than related by blood...? That I'm fine with. =3
TheShinySword
2009-10-11, 20:16
They're still cousins so not quite sister-not-related-by-blood-moe.
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-11, 20:20
That's a little high on my list, but CLAMP inoculated me to that, so I'm fine with that too. :D
*is slippered on the head*
RadiantBeam
2009-10-11, 21:43
That's a little high on my list, but CLAMP inoculated me to that, so I'm fine with that too. :D
*is slippered on the head*
I'm glad to know that! :D
*sniped*
So, is it canon that Nanoha and Miyuki are cousins?
Rising Dragon
2009-10-12, 21:57
So, is it canon that Nanoha and Miyuki are cousins?
In Triangle Hearts, yes. Not too sure but most likely for MSLN.
Next chapter should be interesting.
prescience
2009-10-13, 13:40
Indeed. I look forward to seeing how the plot develops now that the "mystery" of Hegemon Ingvalt has apparently been solved. Will "The Man Behind The Man" emerge and force Einhart to fight against her newfound friends? Or will the manga take a less dramatic turn?
OK, now I feel like I'm doing some sort of cheesy advert...
"Don't miss next month's chapter of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid!" *shot*
itanshi1
2009-10-13, 13:42
Hehe, yeah you are, but what gets me is the history of Belka will be revealed bit by bit and the promise of 30 page chapters, without even a cliff hanger, I'm hooked.
Best Quote of the Chapter award goes to Teana this month.
"You're rather good at making friends with Belkan rulers though."
Teana Lanster to Subaru Nakajima.
prescience
2009-10-13, 14:04
Yeah, that line was brilliant.
hideki101
2009-10-13, 14:10
Subaru's taking the Hikaru Genji plot to build a hare-
*Vibration Shattered*
Subaru has a +15 to Charisma when she's around Ancient Belkan Rulers?
prescience
2009-10-13, 14:43
Must be those funny facial expressions... :p
Hehe, yeah you are, but what gets me is the history of Belka will be revealed bit by bit and the promise of 30 page chapters, without even a cliff hanger, I'm hooked.
Say what? Where was this?:confused:
RadiantBeam
2009-10-13, 14:51
So Subaru's going to have a harem that consists of Teana and Ancient Belkan Rulers?
So Subaru's going to have a harem that consists of Teana and Ancient Belkan Rulers?
She needs to catch up to Hayate, who has the Wolkenritter, Fate, Nanoha and Yuuno in her harem after all.
XD
RadiantBeam
2009-10-13, 15:04
But where does Ginga fit in all of this? =o
Subaru's harem is going to be Teana, Ginga and the ancient Belkan rulers? =o
RadiantBeam
2009-10-13, 15:31
I thought Ginga was part of Hayate's harem...
Fate's harem, technically. But since Fate's harem is Hayate's harem, yes.
Hmm...
Makes me wonder where Erio, Caro and Lutecia fit into this...
Is Subaru waiting for a few years before she makes her harem and has those three in there as well?
prescience
2009-10-13, 15:40
So harem-ness is transitive? In the end, I suppose everyone is in Hayate's harem :p
RadiantBeam
2009-10-13, 15:48
Even Lutecia, Agito, and Zest?
Hmm...
Makes me wonder where Erio, Caro and Lutecia fit into this...
Erio's harem. Duh.
RadiantBeam
2009-10-13, 16:07
Erio's harem. Duh.
But isn't Erio part of Fate's harem, and therefore by default a part of Hayate's harem?
Erio is part of Fate's family, not her harem. There is a difference.
Its simple.
Erio's harem is Lutecia and Caro.
Erio was introduced to Hayate by Fate. So now Erio works for Hayate as a pimp, thus granting Hayate access to Caro and Lutecia. Now that Vivio has her own friends, she works for Erio, and thus Hayate.
Nanoha's harem is leased out to Hayate in return for half price Fate specials.
Fate just works for them.
MeisterBabylon
2009-10-14, 04:21
...Meister Babylon is confused! He faceplanted himself in his confusion! :eyespin:
Best Quote of the Chapter award goes to Teana this month.
"You're rather good at making friends with Belkan rulers though."
Teana Lanster to Subaru Nakajima.I'm very tempted to add, but one. :uhoh:
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