The General Character Discussion of Haruhi Suzumiya

[CrowKenobi]

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place to discuss things related to all the Suzumiya Haruhi series characters who are not fortunate enough to have a thread of their own. Go ahead and talk about the genkiness of Tsuruya-san, or how the Computer Club President gets taken advantage of, or Imouto-san's antics.

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[Kogetsu Shirogane]

So... any Kunikida fans here? :heh:

[Triple_R]

So... any Kunikida fans here? :heh:

Kunikida is probably the nicest guy in school. Him and Taniguchi make a nice comedic relief duo.

[OkamiNoKaze]

This will easily become the Tsuruya page, more then anything probably, or Ryoko

[Heatth]

This image prooves Kunikida has less background then most random classmates:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9881/translation.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=translation.jpg) http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/translation.jpg/1/w704.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img443/translation.jpg/1/)

And that one proves he, and Taniguchi have less social life then most
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5074/haruhikurasu.jpg (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haruhikurasu.jpg) http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/haruhikurasu.jpg/1/w584.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img262/haruhikurasu.jpg/1/)

For the first image, both Taniguchi and Kunikida are basicly Haruhi and Kyon's old mate. Taniguchi at last knows something interesting. Kunikida not :p
Though Kunikida knowledge of Kyon's middle school mates prooves to be useful latter..

For the second image, most have at last 2 or 3 friend. Two of then are even dating and four have unrequisited crushs. T&K, however, only have 2 friends each, and one of then is usualy busy doing weard things to hand up with then.

I aways find this two images mazing, btw, for the care of creating such unimportant characters. Also, the fact the do appear everyshot of Kyon's classroom makes everything better.

[Jonbob0008]

Hmm, those character sheets could come in handy for any fanfic writer who wants to have an OC on the go. Seriously, I could imagine myself using that for a fan-work (unrelated to my current fan project). That's really cool. And I finally can see what Sakanaka looks like.

[GDB]

This will easily become the Tsuruya page, more then anything probably, or Ryoko

Tsuruya has a thread:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=85612

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

That post was made before Tsuruya got her own thread. :heh:

[Heatth]

Hmm, those character sheets could come in handy for any fanfic writer who wants to have an OC on the go. Seriously, I could imagine myself using that for a fan-work (unrelated to my current fan project). That's really cool. And I finally can see what Sakanaka looks like.

True. As I said, most characters there have more background then even Taniguchi and Kunikida (poor guys).

Btw, there is a genderbend version of both images.

[GDB]

That post was made before Tsuruya got her own thread. :heh:

Hmm, so it was. I hadn't noticed this thread before, and with so few posts I assumed it was just created today. My bad.

[Heatth]

Hmm, so it was. I hadn't noticed this thread before, and with so few posts I assumed it was just created today. My bad.

That is why is good see the date of the posts. :heh: No one post here cause no one love the background characters. :p

But, hey, Mori and Arakawa are general characters too. I guess it is here we can discus the crack theorys about then. Like, the Sonou Mori is an ESPer theory.

[Ithekro]

Mori is not to be messed with, whatever she is.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... I don't really trust that Kimidori character... for someone who had exactly one scene, it seems she was given quite a bit of exposure by KyoAni... more than Mori, who at least had her appearance spread across two episodes... any thoughts on this?

[Heatth]

... I don't really trust that Kimidori character... for someone who had exactly one scene, it seems she was given quite a bit of exposure by KyoAni... more than Mori, who at least had her appearance spread across two episodes... any thoughts on this?

She is cute. So Kyoani/Kadokawa used it to sell more merchandise.

Or, for a more interesting theory, Tanigawa told then she is going to have a important part in the plot and they (Kyoani) are foreshadowing it.

[Triple_R]

... I don't really trust that Kimidori character... for someone who had exactly one scene, it seems she was given quite a bit of exposure by KyoAni... more than Mori, who at least had her appearance spread across two episodes... any thoughts on this?

I suspect that she's another alien-human interface, like Nagato and Asakura. I think that she'll have a key role to play in the novel/anime at some point.

[Volcanic]

I suspect that she's another alien-human interface, like Nagato and Asakura.

Wasn't that confirmed in Novel 9?

[Kaisos Erranon]

Vol. 8, actually.

Yeah, she reappears in Vols. 8 and 9.

[Heatth]

I suspect that she's another alien-human interface, like Nagato and Asakura. I think that she'll have a key role to play in the novel/anime at some point.

Hm? Wasn't it something given already? I never tought in the possiblility of her not being one after the Mystérique Sign.

Post Postum:
Even the lyrics (http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/haruhi/fixedmind.htm) of her Image Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFG3AaaMXS0&feature=channel) seen to have a theme more fitting for an artificial interface: empty life and undesired emotions. Also the lines:

"違う次元では
女の子としていられたのかもね"

or

"In a different dimension,
I might have been able to live as a girl"

(from AnimeLyrics.com)

It is strange the word girl(onna no ko) here, unless she is not one, thus an alien interface.

This of course, if the Anime Lyrics can be trusted. (at last the quoted lines are not far from what I can pick with my ears and from my Rikaichan translation)

[Triple_R]

...And this is where I remind people that I haven't read all the novels yet. :heh:

Not in their entirety at least.


Kind of neat that I totally guessed this correctly, though.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... Spoiler tags, people. :p

[GDB]

... I don't really trust that Kimidori character...

Of course you shouldn't trust Kimidori! Not sure if I really need to use spoiler tags for Haruhi-chan, but just in case:

In Haruhi-chan, she was a male balloon in the shape of a dog! Such a drastic difference in terms of character is too suspicious.

[Heatth]

Haruhi-chan is not canon nor have nothing to do with the canon nor have any involviment with Tanigawa. So, this is kinda irrelevant.

[GDB]

It was a joke. Note the actual content of said spoilers. :rolleyes:

[KyonisGod]

when she says sliders does haruhi mean
SLIders or sliders- those that effect street lights or those that can shift to alternate realities

[Simplicity]

when she says sliders does haruhi mean
SLIders or sliders- those that effect street lights or those that can shift to alternate realities

Haruhi's referring to the sliders that shift to alternate realities. People could've called them dimensional travelers instead if the phrase didn't sound so clunky.

[SgtHydra]

Haruhi's referring to the sliders that shift to alternate realities. People could've called them dimensional travelers instead if the phrase didn't sound so clunky.

And of course there's that there TV show of the same name.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Isn't it obvious? Haruhi has a huge baseball fetish, so she was most likely looking for the mascot of the Cleveland Indians. :p

[17th_warrior]

Asakura's hot, maybe on par with Tsuruya.
As for others safe T and K I don't care.
There is practically none fan works on T and K at all and it's rather dissapointing.
Characters like them are far the best in the series.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

While I'll agree with Kunikida... are you sure there's nothing for Taniguchi? He's one of the more popular minor characters, after all. :heh:

[Ithekro]

Taniguchi got his whole bit from Lucky Star....he's fine.

[17th_warrior]

Well, there's smthing on Taniguchi as he's Kyon's "friend".:heh:

[freakonboard]

This is actually old, but oh well.

http://sos-dan.com/img/src/1175866732741.jpg

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Uh oh... love triangle. :p

(Of course, since there's others involved in it, I suppose it'd be a dodecahedron :heh:)

[Heatth]

This is actually old, but oh well.

http://sos-dan.com/img/src/1175866732741.jpg

I have posted it already. In the first page.

Anyway, has anyyone a translation? Is mostly useless, but I am curious about Sakanaka (and about how creative they were creating these characters)

Also, these images (including that one (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9881/translation.jpg), also in the first page) were created by who? I mean, it was Tanigawa who created these characters? Or it was the anime staff? The first time one of then actually appear on the novels were after the first anime have been realesed, I believe.

By the way, I also have an genderbended version (http://img22.yfrog.com/img22/8402/harukikurasu.png) of that image. Cool huh? It is interestng cause it uses 'Haruki', insted Haruhiko. But I guess this would be another tread.

In a possible minor plot point, that image says a (seemly) nerd guy(Yamane) used to stalk Ryouko. Maybe he noticed she never come out the class room that day she fighted Yuki?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The following names were mentioned in Volume 4 of the novels: Saeki, Sakanaka, Suzuki, Seno. While it's hard to say whether Tanigawa had anything to do with the rest of the classmates, those four names were already present for at least two years.

[Heatth]

The following names were mentioned in Volume 4 of the novels: Saeki, Sakanaka, Suzuki, Seno. While it's hard to say whether Tanigawa had anything to do with the rest of the classmates, those four names were already present for at least two years.

The names are not the characters. He could have just pulled some random names and the anime staff mad a background for them.

[freakonboard]

I have posted it already. In the first page.

Sorry, I forgot to check.
At very least it's bigger. :heh:


Also, these images (including that one (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9881/translation.jpg), also in the first page) were created by who? I mean, it was Tanigawa who created these characters? Or it was the anime staff? The first time one of then actually appear on the novels were after the first anime have been realesed, I believe.

Actually, when anime was first broadcasted, Volume 7 of the novels already published for about a year.
But I think the character designs were done by KyoAni staff.
The source of this pic (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9881/translation.jpg) is Suzumiya Haruhi Official Fanbook ~ Suzumiya Haruhi no Koushiki, the translated version was done by Chux (http://www.chux-roadhouse.com/chux/)
Here's the raw page and alternate fan-made version.

http://www.sos-dan.org/img/src/1165466514054.jpghttp://www.sos-dan.com/img/src/1236493113105.jpg

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I'm just stating that the names, including Sakanaka's, were already present within the series. As Tanigawa doesn't seem to like randomly throwing out names, it's entirely possible he had intended on using at least one of the students mentioned, and might have already worked out a basic personality for each of them.

[Ithekro]

Well in theory, they were Tanigawa's classmates...he'd give a little bit of knowledge, just to make it more real at least.

[freakonboard]

Kinda related to this thread...
http://www.sos-dan.com/img/src/1223192320359.jpgSource: Comp H's Vol.2 (http://www.akibablog.net/archives/2006/11/hs_vol2.html)

[Heatth]

Sorry, I forgot to check.
At very least it's bigger. :heh:

True, you image is easir to 'read'(but there is someone here reading? :p).

Actually, when anime was first broadcasted, Volume 7 of the novels already published for about a year.

You see, Sakanaka only show up in Volume 8 (her, not her name). What coincidence huh?

But I think the character designs were done by KyoAni staff.
The source of this pic (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9881/translation.jpg) is Suzumiya Haruhi Official Fanbook ~ Suzumiya Haruhi no Koushiki, the translated version was done by Chux (http://www.chux-roadhouse.com/chux/)
Here's the raw page and alternate fan-made version.

http://www.sos-dan.org/img/src/1165466514054.jpghttp://www.sos-dan.com/img/src/1236493113105.jpg

That alternate version is interesting. They all have appeared at last once in the old episodes

I'm just stating that the names, including Sakanaka's, were already present within the series. As Tanigawa doesn't seem to like randomly throwing out names, it's entirely possible he had intended on using at least one of the students mentioned, and might have already worked out a basic personality for each of them.

You know, I can remember only two characters that were hinted to existe before their first apparition. But both didn't have their name given until we see then.

I undeerstand what you say, and givem how Kyoani have worked with Tanigawa (asking him for the script of any anime-only scene), I believe he was the on who did it. Even then, I think it is probable he only did it for the anime (cause they need concistent background characters) and decided to use it in the novels.

Kinda related to this thread...
http://www.sos-dan.com/img/src/1223192320359.jpgSource: Comp H's Vol.2 (http://www.akibablog.net/archives/2006/11/hs_vol2.html)

Nice post! There is any translation?

Btw, never had noticied Sakanaka was looking worried to Haruhi in the first episode.Kinda fiting with the 'wants to be friend with Haruhi'.

However, there is a small inconcistence there too. The other class rep (along with Ryouko) is said to be Goto. However, in a screenshot on that last image, the one standing at Ryouko side, when it seen she is talking to the class, is Sakaki.

[Tornadium]

This is actually old, but oh well.

http://sos-dan.com/img/src/1175866732741.jpg

Where did this come from?

I must have missed it.

[Heatth]

So, I just noticied there is a guy called Arakawa in the class. He is in the left-botton corner and his family runs a Dojo.

His name is not writen in the same way as Arakawa-san. But is a funny coincidence(?).

[Tornadium]

So, I just noticied there is a guy called Arakawa in the class. He is in the left-botton corner and his family runs a Dojo.

His name is not writen in the same way as Arakawa-san. But is a funny coincidence(?).

Oh wow i never noticed that.

Heh, Maybe it's ment to be a reference?

[freakonboard]

You see, Sakanaka only show up in Volume 8 (her, not her name). What coincidence huh?

Just to add, Wandering Shadow was first published in The Sneaker April 2006 Issue. (the same month that the anime was first aired.)


Nice post! There is any translation?

None that I'm aware of. :(


Where did this come from?

I must have missed it.

http://lolipuni.com/
Ctrl+F to find "１年５組"

Basically it was based on the info on Suzumiya Haruhi no Koushiki.

Speaking of Sasaki, man, he's got his own harem. :heh:

[Heatth]

Just to add, Wandering Shadow was first published in The Sneaker April 2006 Issue. (the same month that the anime was first aired.)

Good point, didn't know that.

Speaking of Sasaki, man, he's got his own harem. :heh:

You mean Sakaki right? :heh: Lucky guy, anyway. Aparently, it is because his 'beautiful voice'. He being the most good looking guy there probably helps.

[Tornadium]

http://lolipuni.com/
Ctrl+F to find "１年５組"

Basically it was based on the info on Suzumiya Haruhi no Koushiki.

Speaking of Sasaki, man, he's got his own harem. :heh:


Thanks!

I'll have a look see.



You mean Sakaki right? Lucky guy, anyway. Aparently, it is because his 'beautiful voice'. He being the most good looking guy there probably helps.


Heh. I wish we knew more about Haruhi and Kyon's classmates. Would be pretty interesting.

I wonder what the other girls think about Haruhi liking Kyon compared to anyone else.

[freakonboard]

You mean Sakaki right? :heh: Lucky guy, anyway. Aparently, it is because his 'beautiful voice'. He being the most good looking guy there probably helps.

Yep, that's a typo.
You can psychoanalyze me that in fact I like another (female) character much more than him, and I won't deny. :D

[TakariCritic]

Speaking of classmates, anyone remember Koizumi telling Kyon of the member in his class in the Organization? I'm having difficulty finding it.

[Tornadium]

Speaking of classmates, anyone remember Koizumi telling Kyon of the member in his class in the Organization? I'm having difficulty finding it.

He said that a number of espers are in the school. I can't recall him giving any names though.

[Heatth]

Speaking of classmates, anyone remember Koizumi telling Kyon of the member in his class in the Organization? I'm having difficulty finding it.

A few guess:

Arakawa- He is actually Arakawa son, but his father change his namewhen dealing with Haruhi,so she wouldn't notice (this is a baseless speculation, btw). Plus, he used to study with Haruhi in middle school

Amane- He was stalking Ryouko. Maybe by the Organization orders.

Naruzaki, Naoki or Saeki- Friends of Sakanaka, who wants to befriend Haruhi. Sakanaka herself is not likely, as the organization as a whole don'ttry to becometoo close of her.

Goto or Takato- No reason, but in the first episode it is shown they (and Arakawa) were in the same middle school as Haruhi.

Taniguchi- 4 years in the same class as Haruhi might be not a coincidence. He is a very good actor then.

[OkamiNoKaze]

I've heard the home room teacher is an Esper

[Tornadium]

I've heard the home room teacher is an Esper

I don't remember hearing anything about that in any of the books.

[worldruined]

Speaking of classmates, anyone remember Koizumi telling Kyon of the member in his class in the Organization? I'm having difficulty finding it.
Well, there's...

"Just as you have guessed, the 'Organization' was founded three years ago, and their priority is to observe Suzumiya Haruhi. To put it bluntly, they exist solely to observe Suzumiya Haruhi. I'm sure you understand by now, right? I'm not the only 'Organization' member here in this school. There have already been a number who have infiltrated here before me; I've just been temporarily transferred here to assist them."

He never states, specifically, that there's a member in Kyon's class. Kyon suggests Taniguichi, a possibility that Koizumi brushes aside without ever really answering. It could be assumed that there's at least one agent in 1-5, though, to keep an eye on Haruhi during the day (since Koizumi is in another class).

And just to reiterate from another thread -- "Organization agent" does not necessarily mean "Organization esper". They can and do have agents that don't have esper powers. Koizumi is probably the Organization's first and only esper at North High.

[Roger Rambo]

*snip*
Where did you hear this from?

He said that a number of espers are in the school. I can't recall him giving any names though.
Could you provide the actual quote? Because I don't think he said there were other Espers, but other members of the organization.

And it's highly unlikely that every member of the organization is an Esper.

[TakariCritic]

He never states, specifically, that there's a member in Kyon's class. Kyon suggests Taniguichi, a possibility that Koizumi brushes aside without ever really answering. It could be assumed that there's at least one agent in 1-5, though, to keep an eye on Haruhi during the day (since Koizumi is in another class).


I remember reading that there was an agent in class 1-5, and Koizumi stated that the agent was actually a fan of Kyon's. I'm having a hard time finding that quote though.

[Heatth]

Where did you hear this from?

I just made up. Of course. As I said, just a few guess. I think in who could be, based in what we know about their characters. It is pretty hard to say, as we don't know much of then. My favorite guess is Arakawa, for now, just because his name (and becauser he might be badass, since his family has a dojo).

Actually, the most likely to be, given the currents informations, is Taniguchi.


And it's highly unlikely that every member of the organization is an Esper.

Actually, given there is no much more then 10 ESPers, it is really improbable the organization has only then as members.

PP:
I remember reading that there was an agent in class 1-5, and Koizumi stated that the agent was actually a fan of Kyon's. I'm having a hard time finding that quote though.

A fan of Kyon? A girl maybe? How about Yanagimoto? Maybe she dislike Haruhi because he likes Kyon.

A don't remember ever reading this, tough. But I miss many things while reading books in english.

[Tornadium]

And just to reiterate from another thread -- "Organization agent" does not necessarily mean "Organization esper". They can and do have agents that don't have esper powers. Koizumi is probably the Organization's first and only esper at North High.

Well i was just assuming that those placed there would be Espers because Koizumi is. I'll conceed that we can't know if they are or not.

Is there any information in the novels regarding membership in the organisation?

[worldruined]

Is there any information in the novels regarding membership in the organisation?
Off the top of my head... not much.


"Just as you have guessed, the 'Organization' was founded three years ago, and their priority is to observe Suzumiya Haruhi. To put it bluntly, they exist solely to observe Suzumiya Haruhi. I'm sure you understand by now, right? I'm not the only 'Organization' member here in this school. There have already been a number who have infiltrated here before me; I've just been temporarily transferred here to assist them."
"If you call him an associate then he is an associate, but he's an associate in a different sense from Arakawa-san and Mori-san. He isn't necessarily a part of the 'Organization'."

Koizumi glanced at the President, who had been puffing the smoke of his second cigarette up to the ceiling,

"He is our agent within the school. To talk a little bit about his motives, he provides us assistance in exchange for certain conditions. If Mori-san and I are part of the inner sanctum, then he is of the nave."
Although Koizumi mentions a "number" of Organization agents, we really only learn the identity of one for sure, and he's more of a mercenary than a "true believer". I think we can safely assume that he, at least, isn't an esper.

Speaking of said person:

At this moment, Koizumi spoke as well,

"In that case, maybe I should bring a friend as well? In fact, I know someone who's interested in our club..."

I shut him up before he could finish. There's no need to bring your buddies over, they're going to be freaks anyway.

From Boredom; Koizumi mentions a "friend" but this is never elaborated on again. Might he have meant the (eventual) Student Council President, before deciding that the guy would be better off in the President role?

[Tornadium]

Off the top of my head... not much.


"Just as you have guessed, the 'Organization' was founded three years ago, and their priority is to observe Suzumiya Haruhi. To put it bluntly, they exist solely to observe Suzumiya Haruhi. I'm sure you understand by now, right? I'm not the only 'Organization' member here in this school. There have already been a number who have infiltrated here before me; I've just been temporarily transferred here to assist them."
"If you call him an associate then he is an associate, but he's an associate in a different sense from Arakawa-san and Mori-san. He isn't necessarily a part of the 'Organization'."

Koizumi glanced at the President, who had been puffing the smoke of his second cigarette up to the ceiling,

"He is our agent within the school. To talk a little bit about his motives, he provides us assistance in exchange for certain conditions. If Mori-san and I are part of the inner sanctum, then he is of the nave."
Although Koizumi mentions a "number" of Organization agents, we really only learn the identity of one for sure, and he's more of a mercenary than a "true believer". I think we can safely assume that he, at least, isn't an esper.

Speaking of said person:

At this moment, Koizumi spoke as well,

"In that case, maybe I should bring a friend as well? In fact, I know someone who's interested in our club..."

I shut him up before he could finish. There's no need to bring your buddies over, they're going to be freaks anyway.

From Boredom; Koizumi mentions a "friend" but this is never elaborated on again. Might he have meant the (eventual) Student Council President, before deciding that the guy would be better off in the President role?

Heh, Fair enough.

Thanks!

[AmyElizzabeth]

It may be Taniguchi, since he never really said "No." to when Kyon asked if he was an ESPer.
He didn't even give a straight answer. Just "You've got the Suzumiya bug. (english dub)"
Hell, didn't they also go out for like, 5 minutes? And he and Kunikida are always around for something ocassionly.

[Heatth]

He also even cancel plans he have for the weekend just be go out with the SOS Dan making a silly movie.

If was he it will be unbeliavable funny.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Better him than Kunikida, who has no backround whatsoever.

[worldruined]

For some reason this turn in conversation to Taniguchi makes me think of...

.....

Koizumi*Taniguchi which is just so, so wrong. Need brain bleach. :T_T:

[AmyElizzabeth]

For some reason this turn in conversation to Taniguchi makes me think of...

.....

Koizumi*Taniguchi which is just so, so wrong. Need brain bleach. :T_T:

...
...
...
:bash:
like I need more painful mental images of Itsuki.
I'm still recovering from his Speedo.

[worldruined]

like I need more painful mental images of Itsuki.
I'm still recovering from his Speedo.

So, uh, that's a no on the Endless Eight Koizumi*Kyon and Taniguchi*Kunikida doujinshi, then?

[AmyElizzabeth]

So, uh, that's a no on the Endless Eight Koizumi*Kyon and Taniguchi*Kunikida doujinshi, then?

"Heehee..It's a definite YESH. Or NO. It's a NESH."]

I wish Kunikida would be given some backround.

[Roger Rambo]

Well i was just assuming that those placed there would be Espers because Koizumi is. I'll conceed that we can't know if they are or not.

Well I'd imagine they wouldn't want to have to many of their Espers tied up in school in the event of closed space.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I highly doubt that all 10-ish espers are between 15 and 18. Heck, Koizumi might be the only one that is. If there were another esper at North High, I'd expect that person to be a teacher, not a student. :heh:

[Ithekro]

Anime-wise we can only confirm four espers existing...since we see four red glowing ball in closed space. In Haruhi-chan there are at least five espers...for their "power rangers-ish" group Haruhi follows. (With Itsuki as the actual "red ranger type".) Actually given Arakawa and Mori's rolls in the Haruhi-chan mall show version, it seems more like a takeoff of Sailor Moon. (Which perhaps ironically fits one of the abridged parody versions perfectly)

[OkamiNoKaze]

:heh: "Sailor Pothead" :heh:

[quigonkenny]

My bet is that Mori is one of the espers, since we know her full name (meaning there's something "special" about her) and Arakawa is not (for the inverse reason). Volume 7 would suggest she might even be the leader of the espers, since she is quite obviously in a leadership position over at least Arakawa and Itsuki.

[Ithekro]

It is possible I suppose

And while the Haruhi-chan episode has Arakawa as "Beard Mask", the Abridged version of Kyon has admitted that he himself is "Tuxedo Mask"....*facepalm*

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It is possible I supposeAnd while the Haruhi-chan episode has Arakawa as "Beard Mask", the Abridged version of Kyon has admitted that he himself is "Tuxedo Mask"....*facepalm*

... and then there's this "Esper" guy (http://pokesho.com/img_chara/game1/i_ituki_gsc.gif). :p

[AmyElizzabeth]

.. looks like James!

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

There is no comparison between Kojirou and the FABULOUS Itsuki!

[Jonbob0008]

The Tamaru brothers are also likely to be espers as well, since their full names are also known. That seems to be the convention with the series. Anyone with powers has a full name, while side characters that are human only have one. Kyon (and anyone related to him) remains nameless. I wonder if a power scale could be determined based on how much of someones name is revealed...nah...

[Ricky Controversy]

The Tamaru brothers are also likely to be espers as well, since their full names are also known. That seems to be the convention with the series. Anyone with powers has a full name, while side characters that are human only have one. Kyon (and anyone related to him) remains nameless. I wonder if a power scale could be determined based on how much of someones name is revealed...nah...

Haruhi: Behold, my minions! I have found a new soldier for the SOS Brigade. I give you...ah...what was your name again?
New Guy: Shimmen Inafune Ichijouji Kuroma Otori Gonnosuke. Pleased to meet you.
Kyon: Ohshi--

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Alternately... that was simply done to tell them apart. They're pretty much exclusively referred to by their given names, after all.

*e*Haruhi: Behold, my minions! I have found a new soldier for the SOS Brigade. I give you...ah...what was your name again?
New Guy: Shimmen Inafune Ichijouji Kuroma Otori Gonnosuke. Pleased to meet you.
Kyon: Ohshi--

... While hilarious... I really can't recall any instances of a Japanese name having more than just a given name and a surname. Go with a foreign exchange student that has a name for every letter of the alphabet. :p

[Ricky Controversy]

Alternately... that was simply done to tell them apart. They're pretty much exclusively referred to by their given names, after all.

*e*

... While hilarious... I really can't recall any instances of a Japanese name having more than just a given name and a surname. Go with a foreign exchange student that has a name for every letter of the alphabet. :p

I was going to, but they already have Koizumi as an exchange student of a sort. So the next aberration that struck me was someone whose name alone is a thing unheard of. Haruhi is just that amazing. She can speak Russian. In French.

Edit for Boredom:

New Guy: I am Alejandro Beliz Castilliano Del Eclessias Felizes Gallo Hidalgo Imperiosa Juarez Los Mares Nueves Ores Pimienta Queso Rey Sucre Taco Umberto Vega Xavier y Zorro. Pleased to meet you.
Kyon (Internal Narrative): In trying to write half of that, I have easily tripled the effort I've put into taking notes during Okabe-sensei's lectures.



(Not an actual sensible name, mind, and I didn't include the letters for which there are no true Spanish words beginning with them as opposed to borrowings.)

[Jonbob0008]

Alternately... that was simply done to tell them apart. They're pretty much exclusively referred to by their given names, after all.

Their last names could have been omitted without much consiquence if that was the case. Instead, their full names were both revealed, which must be important. I don't think Tanigawa would've gone through the trouble of coming up with a last name for them if it didn't mean anything.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Their last names could have been omitted without much consiquence if that was the case. Instead, their full names were both revealed, which must be important. I don't think Tanigawa would've gone through the trouble of coming up with a last name for them if it didn't mean anything.

There's, from what I can recall, a total of 10 espers connected to Haruhi. Why would the Organization willingly put more than two of them on an island cut off from the rest of the world, especially when their goal is to provide Haruhi with a scenario that could very easily result in closed space forming?

[freakonboard]

Kyon (Internal Narrative): In trying to write half of that, I have easily tripled the effort I've put into taking notes during Okabe-sensei's lectures.

I think you forgot that Okabe is a PE teacher. :heh:

[Triple_R]

I was going to, but they already have Koizumi as an exchange student of a sort. So the next aberration that struck me was someone whose name alone is a thing unheard of. Haruhi is just that amazing. She can speak Russian. In French.

Edit for Boredom:

New Guy: I am Alejandro Beliz Castilliano Del Eclessias Felizes Gallo Hidalgo Imperiosa Juarez Los Mares Nueves Ores Pimienta Queso Rey Sucre Taco Umberto Vega Xavier y Zorro. Pleased to meet you.
Kyon (Internal Narrative): In trying to write half of that, I have easily tripled the effort I've put into taking notes during Okabe-sensei's lectures.



(Not an actual sensible name, mind, and I didn't include the letters for which there are no true Spanish words beginning with them as opposed to borrowings.)

There was an actual NBA basketball player with an incredibly long name once.

This was it:

Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo


So, if we're looking for a realistic long name, we could slightly alter this one above perhaps. :heh:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It was only for humor purposes, y'know. Besides, I kinda like the idea of someone having "Taco" as part of their name. :heh:

[Triple_R]

It was only for humor purposes, y'know. Besides, I kinda like the idea of someone having "Taco" as part of their name. :heh:

Well, if that's the case... Tuxedo Mask fell on hard times financially, and had to start working as a mascot for a restaurant in order to earn cash for his family.

His mascot name?

...Taco Mask! :D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... What would his name in Japan be? I don't think "tako kamen" would have the same meaning. :heh:

[Ricky Controversy]

I think you forgot that Okabe is a PE teacher. :heh:

And also home-room teacher, ne?

[CrowKenobi]

New Guy: I am Alejandro Beliz Castilliano Del Eclessias Felizes Gallo Hidalgo Imperiosa Juarez Los Mares Nueves Ores Pimienta Queso Rey Sucre Taco Umberto Vega Xavier y Zorro. Pleased to meet you.
Kyon (Internal Narrative): In trying to write half of that, I have easily tripled the effort I've put into taking notes during Okabe-sensei's lectures.



(Not an actual sensible name, mind, and I didn't include the letters for which there are no true Spanish words beginning with them as opposed to borrowings.)To make his name even more ridiculous add either a number or a suffix (like .esq) :heh:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Don't forget a "Señor" at the beginning! :p

[Ithekro]

But, but, Kyon is Tuxedo Mask.

[Ricky Controversy]

By popular request, I give you...

Señor Alejandro Beliz Castilliano Del Eclessias Felizes Gallo Hidalgo Imperiosa Juarez Los Llamas Mares Nueves Ores Pimienta Queso Rey Sucre Taco Umberto Vega Xavier y Zorro, Tercero Duque de Tocino.

[Tensei]

.....oh god, my stomach hurts from laughing at that name:heh:

[Ithekro]

Now that is a lineage.

[Triple_R]

Now that is a lineage.

I wonder how much of Latin America he owns by inheritance? ;)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... Is anyone willing to draw the latest "addition" to the cast? :heh:

[Ricky Controversy]

... Is anyone willing to draw the latest "addition" to the cast? :heh:

The Duke approves. If someone draws him, I will make him my avatar.

[Ithekro]

Wouldn't have any if he's the third heir of the third heir of the fifth heir of the....so on and so forth.

But with Haruhi logic? Doesn't that make him Superman? (I was going to say both Superman and Batman, but Tsuruya is already Batman)...or does that make him just about everyone in Marvel Comic combined?

[Ricky Controversy]

Wouldn't have any if he's the third heir of the third heir of the fifth heir of the....so on and so forth.

But with Haruhi logic? Doesn't that make him Superman? (I was going to say both Superman and Batman, but Tsuruya is already Batman)...or does that make him just about everyone in Marvel Comic combined?

The Duke is shrouded in mystery. Until he gives exposition to Kyon.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

If it weren't for the fact that there's already a deity in the cast, I'd say he'd be roughly equal to God-Man. :p

[Ricky Controversy]

It'd also be easy to create a name for his Genderbent counterpart.

[CrowKenobi]

This I've GOT to hear! :heh:

[Ricky Controversy]

Why, it'd be

Dama Alejandra Beliz Castilliana Del Eclessias Felizes Gallina Hidalga Imperiosa Juarez Las Llamas Mares Nueves Ores Pimienta Quesadilla Rey Sucre Taco Umberta Vega Xavier y Zorrita, Tercera Duquesa de Tocino

Naturally. They're very easy to tell apart. And of course have the obligatory crush on Kyon/Kyonko. They try to woo their respective targets with mastery of Flamenco and Spanish Guitar. Also curly mustaches. Both of them. Yes, the girl has a curly mustache too.

[Tensei]

.........*falls on floor laughing* oh god, i can't take it anymore, i need water

[CrowKenobi]

By popular request, I give you...

Señor Alejandro Beliz Castilliano Del Eclessias Felizes Gallo Hidalgo Imperiosa Juarez Los Llamas Mares Nueves Ores Pimienta Queso Rey Sucre Taco Umberto Vega Xavier y Zorro, Tercero Duque de Tocino.Is he related to a well known German music composer? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPqB9i1ScY) :heh: ;)

[Ricky Controversy]

Is he related to a well known German music composer? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPqB9i1ScY) :heh: ;)

Actually, I was originally going to go that route. But judging from the fact that he already seems to have a small fanclub, creating my lovely Spaniard was a better choice. If someone actually draws this character (and/or the genderbend) I will probably die of a laughter-induced aneurysm.

[CrowKenobi]

Naturally. They're very easy to tell apart. And of course have the obligatory crush on Kyon/Kyonko. They try to woo their respective targets with mastery of Flamenco and Spanish Guitar. Also curly mustaches. Both of them. Yes, the girl has a curly mustache too.Would this include a passionate tribute to Llamas? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbwkkXGmFrI) :heh: ;) :p

[Ricky Controversy]

Would this include a passionate tribute to Llamas? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbwkkXGmFrI) :heh: ;) :p

Naturally. Both the Duke and Duchess are accomplish Llamaologists, and run, among other estates, their family's powerful coffee empire. Indeed, the arrival of Alejandro/Alejandra would lead to some stiff competition with Mikuru/Mitsuuru's tea-brewing prowess.

[Stormwhite]

I always preferred tea to coffee meself.

[Jonbob0008]

There's, from what I can recall, a total of 10 espers connected to Haruhi. Why would the Organization willingly put more than two of them on an island cut off from the rest of the world, especially when their goal is to provide Haruhi with a scenario that could very easily result in closed space forming?

If you can link evidence for that, I would appreciate it. Truthfully, I don't recall there ever being any mention as to how many espers are connected to Haruhi. I was always under the impression that there were considerably more than just ten.

[Ithekro]

Actually having more on the island were the one who can make closed space would make sense, since the rest of the espers couldn't get there to help if things went badly. Since in the one incident we see the espers at work there are I think four of them fighting in closed space.

[Jonbob0008]

I double checked, and Kogetsu is correct in that Arakawa does not have his full name reveal. As such, I'm inclined to believe that he's not an esper. I still in the belief that Mori and the Tamaru brother are, though.

[Kaisos Erranon]

If you can link evidence for that, I would appreciate it. Truthfully, I don't recall there ever being any mention as to how many espers are connected to Haruhi. I was always under the impression that there were considerably more than just ten.

It's in Vol. 1, in Koizumi's first infodump.

And just because there are only ten "True" Espers does not preclude the existence of people with other kinds of powers, which the Tamaru Brothers might well be.

[Stormwhite]

People like Nakagawa? Although Nakagawa had a USELESS power.

[Ithekro]

I figure Arakawa is the brains of the outfit. The one pulling the strings, while the other four known people are the espers.

[Heatth]

I figure Arakawa is the brains of the outfit. The one pulling the strings, while the other four known people are the espers.

Other four? I am missing someone? Arakawa, Mori and the two Tamuru brother, only 3 besides Arakawa.

Anyway, I only thinked as only Mori as an ESPer, but, yeah, the brothers indeed have first name, so are suspicious as well. Mori is a better bet cause she receive more attention in the novel.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... You forgot Koizumi. :heh:

[Ithekro]

Yeah, Koizumi...the one confirmed esper, is also on the island. I think it is those four since we only have confirmation of there being four espers in Closed Space.

[Heatth]

...lol.

I really neve considered he/you might be speaking about him. :heh:

PP:
Btw, I don't know where this theory Arakawa is the leader come from. He is the taxi driver, no leader is a taxi driver. Also, it aways seemed to me that Koizumi is the one who boss him around (caling him whenever he need a taxi and for the mystery games). Koizumi might have a hight rank, being an ESPer, but I am sure he is a low tier ESPer right? So, I guess he has no autority over other ESPers. That is a good conter argument agains "Mori and/or the Tamaru brothers are ESPers", however, we never see Kozumi ordering then to do anything, only Arakawa.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Koizumi is low-ranked, according to Nagato, which is probably due to his age.

Why on Earth would you give some kid actual power in a worldwide secret organization, even if he does turn into a ball of fire on weekends?

Also, as far as taxi drivers being the masterminds... I will say it wouldn't be the first time I've seen it done.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... Perhaps a relative of his is a high-ranking member? :heh:

[Heatth]

This don't change the fact he can rder Arakawa. Even without much power, he probably has at last one subordinate, and that one is Arakawa. He needs to be at Koizumi's disposal to take him to Closed Space, at last. So himself can't be very important.

[Kaisos Erranon]

... Perhaps a relative of his is a high-ranking member? :heh:

Heh, that's just my theory.

This don't change the fact he can rder Arakawa. Even without much power, he probably has at last one subordinate, and that one is Arakawa. He needs to be at Koizumi's disposal to take him to Closed Space, at last. So himself can't be very important.

Again, I wouldn't bet on that.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Being assigned transportation duties doesn't mean you're not important.

[Heatth]

Again, I wouldn't bet on that.

Taht Arakawa is unimportant or that Koizumi has one or two surbodinates?

Being assigned transportation duties doesn't mean you're not important.

Of course it means! He seens to be always there when Itsuki need. Being 24h a day in a taxi waiting for a student order don't seen very important to me. Also, how could he do anything else? Also, of the other 4, he is the only on who showed have only two sets of skils, drive (fast!) and be a buttle. Mori seen to be the most skilled, being a maid and a hell of gunman (to scare Kyoko) and the Tamaru brothers are reliable enough to be put in the front lines as well. Arakawa, by the other side, just drives.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Being assigned transportation duties doesn't mean you're not important.

Exactly. Although Arakawa may be extremely important, he might voluntarily drive Haruhi Suzumiya's personal guardian places, as a way of showing his thanks.

Mori seen to be the most skilled, being a maid and a hell of gunman (to scare Kyoko) and the Tamaru brothers are reliable enough to be put in the front lines as well. Arakawa, by the other side, just drives.

Or he could be too important to be in the front lines. >_>

[Heatth]

Exept, again, being a driver for 24 hours means he do not have time for anything else. You couldn't even say he would work at night or school time, becasue even then he needs to at disposal for the case of a Closed Space appear.

[Ithekro]

Arakawa could still be in charge, but since he doesn't have esper powers, he might just be the only one locally that has a drivers license and be able to move about without being noticed. The bothers might be needed elsewhere. We don't know the younger one nor Mori's age, and Itsuki is a high school student. Also the Orginization is only (about) three years old.

Arakawa might seem like only the driver/butler, but looks can be deceiving. He also could be the one that calls for the espers when Closed Space happens... since when it happens Itsuki gets a call on his cell phone.

Itsuki might be able to make the call for things specifically because he's the closest to the subject matter. He is supposedly a lower ranking member of the Orginization.

The Brothers are mostly an unknown since they've only appeared when the Orginization needs to amuse Haruhi via a mystery.

Mori while it doesn't show at first, is a badass. Don't mess with the maid. While that doesn't confirm that she is an esper...it does confirm that she's not someone to be messed with.

[Heatth]

Arakawa could still be in charge, but since he doesn't have esper powers, he might just be the only one locally that has a drivers license and be able to move about without being noticed. The bothers might be needed elsewhere. We don't know the younger one nor Mori's age, and Itsuki is a high school student. Also the Orginization is only (about) three years old.

Arakawa might seem like only the driver/butler, but looks can be deceiving. He also could be the one that calls for the espers when Closed Space happens... since when it happens Itsuki gets a call on his cell phone.

Again, he need to be a driver 24 a day, as the Closed Space can appear at any time. He have no time to be important. You could argue he could do things by phone/laptop while Koizumi is not needing him, but, someone important need to have time to do things without having interrupted. Arakawa don't have such time.

Itsuki might be able to make the call for things specifically because he's the closest to the subject matter. He is supposedly a lower ranking member of the Orginization.

Which give him at last some authority. He has a lower rank, but, due to being with Haruhi, he can order some people.

[Ithekro]

Again, we don't know if he is their only taxi driver, nor do we know if he's always on call. Every time we see Itsuki with a taxi, it is Arakawa, but we don't know if that is because Itsuki can call him for that, or if Arakawa has Itsuki on a short leash and thus remains close at hand to monitor the situation, since most times the taxi is used seem premeditated.

(I'm trying to remember them being used)
Melencholy V, Itsuki needed to wait until a Closed Space happened to show Kyon proof. He may also have needed support from his superior, who would be on hand to make sure things went well with this contact with God's man-slave.

Lonely Island required no taxi...he was the butler and likely had the most contact with the SOS-dan during the trip.

Sigh...all hell is breaking loose behind the scenes, Itsuki is sent to confer with Kyon alone to "fix this", the boss comes along since Itsuki seems near the breaking point. (Is he also the taxi driver that takes Haruhi to get Mikuru?)

Snowy Mountain/Where did the Cat Go?...again butler position, but this time just to keep Haruhi entertained.

Later novel...likely on high alert due to known temporal disturbance. Someone with a car needed...boss has a car.

I can't remember any other appearances right now.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Itsuki is very low-ranked, but he has clout because of his position close to Haruhi.

And whoever said Arakawa was the one who always drives Itsuki places? :p

Besides, Closed Space doesn't just appear locally, it appears all around the world, if I'm correct... Arakawa certainly doesn't have the time to drive Itsuki to Bombay, for instance.

[Heatth]

Again, we don't know if he is their only taxi driver, nor do we know if he's always on call. Every time we see Itsuki with a taxi, it is Arakawa, but we don't know if that is because Itsuki can call him for that, or if Arakawa has Itsuki on a short leash and thus remains close at hand to monitor the situation, since most times the taxi is used seem premeditated.

And whoever said Arakawa was the one who always drives Itsuki places? :p

Well, it was him whenever we saw the driver. It could be because Kyon was there, tough. I still find odd having aa hight position man working as a driver, is not how things work, usually.

(I'm trying to remember them being used)
Melencholy V, Itsuki needed to wait until a Closed Space happened to show Kyon proof. He may also have needed support from his superior, who would be on hand to make sure things went well with this contact with God's man-slave.

Sigh...all hell is breaking loose behind the scenes, Itsuki is sent to confer with Kyon alone to "fix this", the boss comes along since Itsuki seems near the breaking point.

I keep saying, it isn't how bosses usually do things. The boss might be there, but not driving for low-ranking guys.

Later novel...likely on high alert due to known temporal disturbance. Someone with a car needed...boss has a car.

Not only he has a car, for sure. Also, someone has to be at the ESPer-who-can't-drive disposal to drive them. Even if is not Arakawa, Itsuki need someone to drive him to Closed Space or he wouldn't make it in time, he is a minor and cn't drive, after all.

So, I am sure someone beside th boss has a car. Mori, if an ESPer, probably has a car too.

Besides, Closed Space doesn't just appear locally, it appears all around the world, if I'm correct... Arakawa certainly doesn't have the time to drive Itsuki to Bombay, for instance.

Are you sure? I don't remember that. Anyway, someone need to drive him to the airport, at last.

[Jonbob0008]

Well, Arakawa was given the honor of entertaining Haruhi not once, but twice. Powers or no, it seems unlikely that he'd be given such a honor if he was at the bottom of the totem-pole.

Unless...he and and Mori are scretly lovers, and he's been given extra privilege just because he's Mori's main squeeze! It's perfect! :heh:

[Heatth]

Well, Arakawa was given the honor of entertaining Haruhi not once, but twice. Powers or no, it seems unlikely that he'd be given such a honor if he was at the bottom of the totem-pole.

You are assuming enteraining Harui is a honor. Itsuki don't seenst o like that, at last. Also, is very possible many, if not most, absolutelly hate Haruhi and think she is better dead, but are too afraid doing anything. Killing God, after all, is too riscky, who knows if she wouldn't just resurrect and then kill who did it? Even she not being god, she is still powerful enough to the effect be the same.

[Ithekro]

Depends. One of the qualifications for being a god is that someone worships you.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Haruhiism seems to be pretty prevalent... at least here, anyway. :heh:

[Ithekro]

I don't think the fourth wall breaking worship counts in this case, since its Itsuki who qualifies Haruhi as a god. He's got some weird theories at times, but I don't recall him being that completely Meta.

[Otaku Emperor]

Depends. One of the qualifications for being a god is that someone worships you.

So wait.

If I worshipped a Taco, I could have a Taco god, sweet!

But yeah, I am in Haruhiism. (Why have a god, unless she's a cute one in a bunny girl outfit)

[Ricky Controversy]

So wait.

If I worshipped a Taco, I could have a Taco god, sweet!

But yeah, I am in Haruhiism. (Why have a god, unless she's a cute one in a bunny girl outfit)

The Taco is but one aspect of The Duke himself. I'm beginning to think that the Duke's character (see previous pages) is the avatar of an aggregate of several other lesser gods that wish to commune with Haruhi.

But back on topic, I want to raise a question about Mikuru. What do people think of the chances of her freeing herself from causality are? It'll become a relevant question going forward for a few reasons: first in that ultimately, she will have to either break from her established future and stay with the SOS-dan, or continue along it and become Asahina (Big), and what she chooses will determine her relationship with the other characters going forward.

We know because of what we've seen of Asahina (Big) that there is a much more put-together, focused, capable person lurking in there, and one has to wonder if part of the present Mikuru's character growth into such an active agent will be to eventually choose a different life for herself.

[Otaku Emperor]

The Taco is but one aspect of The Duke himself. I'm beginning to think that the Duke's character (see previous pages) is the avatar of an aggregate of several other lesser gods that wish to commune with Haruhi.

But back on topic, I want to raise a question about Mikuru. What do people think of the chances of her freeing herself from causality are? It'll become a relevant question going forward for a few reasons: first in that ultimately, she will have to either break from her established future and stay with the SOS-dan, or continue along it and become Asahina (Big), and what she chooses will determine her relationship with the other characters going forward.

We know because of what we've seen of Asahina (Big) that there is a much more put-together, focused, capable person lurking in there, and one has to wonder if part of the present Mikuru's character growth into such an active agent will be to eventually choose a different life for herself.Well, remember what Koizumi said, about Mikuru's older self not being trust worthy.

Maybe Mikuru (This is proberly unlikely) is actually working for a larger goal, for other perpouses, then to just keep Haruhi's emotions intact from destroying the planet.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I would honestly like to continue thinking that the Mikuru in the Brigade is completely clueless as to why her superiors want her there.

[Otaku Emperor]

I would honestly like to continue thinking that the Mikuru in the Brigade is completely clueless as to why her superiors want her there.

But later?

Koizumi did say not to trust the older Mikuru.

And at the end, the two sides confessing they do not trust the other

It must mean something, maybe even a war between the two sides.

And Kyon having to sort it all out, or choose a side.

Actually, that has a decent possibility of happening.

[Heatth]

Depends. One of the qualifications for being a god is that someone worships you.

This don't mean you have to like said god. You could just worship it because you are afraid. I am pretty sure at last some in the organization thinks that way. Few people would like to have their lifes depeinding of the mood of a teenager.

[Otaku Emperor]

This don't mean you have to like said god. You could just worship it because you are afraid. I am pretty sure at last some in the organization thinks that way. Few people would like to have their lifes depeinding of the mood of a teenager.

Haruhi's not just any teenager, she's Haruhi.

[Heatth]

Whatever. No matter how fun she is, she still just an emotional teenager. Specially for the nameless grunts who don't actually know her.

[Stormwhite]

I'm pretty sure that Mikuru is there in order to stop Haruhi from changing the past. Which is why I think that she might turn on the SOS Brigade and Kyon would have to turn to Fujiwara for help (which would be interesting, seeing as he hates the guy).

[quigonkenny]

Re: Arakawa.

We only know for sure of him driving Itsuki/Kyon one time, and that is in Volume 7. Kyon speculates that it could have also been him driving when Itsuki did his infodump on the way to the Closed Space in Melancholy, but there is no confirmation, anime notwithstanding.

Arakawa is normal, since we don't know his full name (to be honest, we don't know whether the "Tamaru brothers" are even brothers, or, by extension, if that is even their real family name), but that doesn't mean he can't be a badass. I mean, after all, he is old, with a mustache, and is voiced by Batou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batou), so how could he not be badass?

He's probably Tsuruya-san's sensei... ^_^

[Kaisos Erranon]

I mean, after all, he is old, with a mustache, and is voiced by Batou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batou), so how could he not be badass?

Personally, I associate him more with Big Boss...

[Khu]

Haruhi's not just any teenager, she's Haruhi.

There I go, using tautology to dodge the question... :heh:

[Stormwhite]

Re: Arakawa.

We only know for sure of him driving Itsuki/Kyon one time, and that is in Volume 7. Kyon speculates that it could have also been him driving when Itsuki did his infodump on the way to the Closed Space in Melancholy, but there is no confirmation, anime notwithstanding.

Arakawa is normal, since we don't know his full name (to be honest, we don't know whether the "Tamaru brothers" are even brothers, or, by extension, if that is even their real family name), but that doesn't mean he can't be a badass. I mean, after all, he is old, with a mustache, and is voiced by Batou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batou), so how could he not be badass?

He's probably Tsuruya-san's sensei... ^_^

Actually the Tsuruya thing is an interesting thought. Not that he's her sensei, but he's connected to their family. That would explain why he drives Koizumi sometimes, as he lives nearby, and would also point to him being fairly high up in the organization, as we know the Tsuruyas are the Organization's benefactors. I don't see why people might think that he's not just because he does the driving >.>

I'm of the opinion that Mori is higher ranked than he is, but it's not out of the question that Arakawa is higher in my eyes. For all we know, he could have had a traumatic driving experience and refuses to get in anything that someone else is driving :P

[Heatth]

I don't see why people might think that he's not just because he does the driving >.>

My poit is I don't see why so many people thins he is the most important guy there if all he had done so far is being the buttler and the driver. Even the maid had demonstred more of herself then him.

Of course he could be important. But, right now, we only knows he plays the role of a buttler sometimes and drives once, probably twice (we only knows what Kyons say, if he believes Arakawa drives the first time, we should believe, it was also what was shown in the anime). There was also little infered about him, unlike Mori, he really just seen to be a rregular guy.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Right now, we only know that the Organization's enemies find Mori intimidating. There's nothing stating she's important, either.

[Heatth]

I never said there is. However, it was, at last, impplied there is more about her then we know. A bit more then Arakawa.

[Triple_R]

My poit is I don't see why so many people thins he is the most important guy there if all he had done so far is being the buttler and the driver. Even the maid had demonstred more of herself then him.

Of course he could be important. But, right now, we only knows he plays the role of a buttler sometimes and drives once, probably twice (we only knows what Kyons say, if he believes Arakawa drives the first time, we should believe, it was also what was shown in the anime). There was also little infered about him, unlike Mori, he really just seen to be a rregular guy.

Butlers are always important. They're either massive behind-the-scene support (Alfred ;) ), or... they're killers! I.E. The butler did it! :p Honestly, I was looking for Haruhi to blame Arakawa for the killing mystery on the island villa. Just as a joke, of course. ;)

[Takamura Mamoru]

This don't mean you have to like said god. You could just worship it because you are afraid.

wor·ship (wûrshp)
n.

a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.


worship [ˈwɜːʃɪp]
vb -ships, -shipping, -shipped US, -ships -shiping, -shiped

1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) (tr) to show profound religious devotion and respect to; adore or venerate (God or any person or thing considered divine)
2. (tr) to be devoted to and full of admiration for
3. (intr) to have or express feelings of profound adoration

[Heatth]

...can't you respect and be devoted to something you hate and fear?

Anyway, the word don't matter, you probably know abut what I am talking. For exemple, many people "worship"(or whatever word you use) God by fear of going to Hell.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I'd imagine most "volcano god" cultures were quite terrified of what would happen if they didn't continue making sacrifices...

[Heatth]

Yeah, pretty much this. I am sure at last some in the Organization are terrifed by having the fate of the world in some teenages hand.

Wasn't why Kyoko faction was creted? To make that powers be in a less unstable hands?

[Otaku Emperor]

Yeah, pretty much this. I am sure at last some in the Organization are terrifed by having the fate of the world in some teenages hand.

Wasn't why Kyoko faction was creted? To make that powers be in a less unstable hands?

Not to mention one that is obsessed with the Occult and aliens, and gets move swings by the slightest things.

[AmyElizzabeth]

http://www.sos-dan.org/img/src/1165466514054.jpghttp://www.sos-dan.com/img/src/1236493113105.jpg

well, Yanagimoto dislikes Haruhi.
Is it ever mentioned why?

[Triple_R]

well, Yanagimoto dislikes Haruhi.
Is it ever mentioned why?

Jealousy, perhaps? I mean, Haruhi gets great marks, and doesn't really have to work to get them... in most schools, that would breed some jealousy.

Another possibility is that Yanagimoto might be special in some way. ;)


Anyway... that's incredible detail for minor side characters. Impressive in some ways. One thing that stands out to me while going through Haruhi's class, and their various relations and associations with one another, is how much of an outsider duo Kyon and Haruhi are. Especially Haruhi herself.

Most of the rest of the class are more involved with other classmates than they are.

That's an intriguing touch.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

That's pretty much all the information we have on their classmates.

*e* In Haruhi's defense, at least one person in the class has "Wants to be friends with Haruhi" in her description. :heh:

[SgtHydra]

Jealousy, perhaps? I mean, Haruhi gets great marks, and doesn't really have to work to get them... in most schools, that would breed some jealousy.

Another possibility is that Yanagimoto might be special in some way. ;)


Anyway... that's incredible detail for minor side characters. Impressive in some ways. One thing that stands out to me while going through Haruhi's class, and their various relations and associations with one another, is how much of an outsider duo Kyon and Haruhi are. Especially Haruhi herself.

Most of the rest of the class are more involved with over classmates than they are.

That's an intriguing touch.

I think Yanagimoto's perspective can be put thusly:

A girl waltzes into class every day and acts like she owns the universe. She disrupts the class every other day, stares out the window half the time, runs a group of delinquents out of another club's clubroom, and frequently walks around the school in a bunny suit. Despite all this, she never gets in any real trouble and manages to pwn everyone at everything, especially in athletics and acedemics.

I think there's quite a list there of very good reasons to hate Haruhi Suzumiya.

But whatever. So Yana is a heretic. What are ya gonna do? :heh:

[OkamiNoKaze]

Which character is Yanagimoto again?

also I don't know if they were just there at lunch from another room but were the younger members of ENOZ in Haruhi and Kyon's class? there are a couple girls that look like them in the episode.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

... Look on the last page, there's two seating charts, and the second has everything in English. For a less harsh answer, she sits behind Kunikida, and that's about the only thing I can tell you.

As for the second question, there is no one in their class named Enomoto, Nakanishi, Okajima or Zaizen, so I'd think it's safe to say that none of them are in the same class as Haruhi and Kyon.

[AmyElizzabeth]

I'm pretty sure Yana doesn't have that good of a reason to dislike Haruhi.
Haruhi is capable of making friends (Tsuruya and Mikuru, and Yuki I guess) and is able to have a good time while still being her eccentric self but Yana wouldn't know that.
Also, Ryoko wanted to be friends with Haruhi. She and Sakanaka should have teamed up :D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Most of the class is implied to have tried becoming Haruhi's friend. Yanagimoto most likely just took the rejection poorly.

[AmyElizzabeth]

I've always wondered why everyone tried to make friends with her.
She seems more open now in the novels for whatever reason..

[Heatth]

I've always wondered why everyone tried to make friends with her.

They were probably just trying to be nice. Also, she is a very interesting person, saying what she said at the introduction, being exelent in both sports and studys... It is natural people try to know her. It is also natural people just stop after a whyle and starting dislike her, she was very rude with everyone.

[AmyElizzabeth]

But no one (besides Yana) really dislikes her, they just kind of gave up

[Kyanme]

Well, if someone's an ass to you, you generally ignore them, right? If dealing with someone upsets you, you don't deal with them. Maybe Yana's just more confrotational.

Although I'd personally try to beat the crap out of them for treating people like dirt. I think Haruhi's earlier behaviour is disgusting. Do you honestly think anyone would put up with her behaviour if she didn't have those powers? No. Kyon would have hit her in Sighs, and she'd have gotten what she really deserves. (Or deserved depending on your views.)

You don't treat people like toys, and you don't treat them like they're nothing. Haruhi did/does both and at times I found it kind of hard to read.

Her classmates get a free front row ticket to her dislikeable behaviour. They have two options: ignore it, or react to it. It looks to me like the majority of the class ignore/ignored it.

[Heatth]

Although I'd personally try to beat the crap out of them for treating people like dirt. I think Haruhi's earlier behaviour is disgusting. Do you honestly think anyone would put up with her behaviour if she didn't have those powers? No. Kyon would have hit her in Sighs, and she'd have gotten what she really deserves. (Or deserved depending on your views.)

Errr, Kyon don't give a danm to Hruhi's powers. He would be her friend even without it. Actually, given her behaviour in late novels, I believe she would have more friends without her powers.

Anyway, I agree with the rest of the post. Haruhi was an ass to everyone so everyone just decided to ignore her. And, as you said, Yanagimoto is porbably just more confrontational then the others. Or maybe they were to the same Middle School and Yana dislike Haruhi since then.

I am more curious why Sakanaka still wants to be Haruhi's friend. She should've just gave up. I guess Haruhi is still somewhat popular. Kunikida said that he and Taniguchi also envy Kyon for being friend of Haruhi.

[Ithekro]

Remember, most of the class only seeing Haruhi's interactions with Kyon in class. They hear rumors of what she's done (such as the bunny girl flyer incident early on, or a few other things the SOS-dan does in public) but not what goes on behind the closed door of the Literary Club. They of course also know about what Haruhi did before she starts the SOS-dan.

[Heatth]

Remember, most of the class only seeing Haruhi's interactions with Kyon in class. They hear rumors of what she's done (such as the bunny girl flyer incident early on, or a few other things the SOS-dan does in public) but not what goes on behind the closed door of the Literary Club. They of course also know about what Haruhi did before she starts the SOS-dan.

Sorry, I didn't understand the point of it. This is suppose to make people be more or less likelly to like her?

[AmyElizzabeth]

Remember, most of the class only seeing Haruhi's interactions with Kyon in class. They hear rumors of what she's done (such as the bunny girl flyer incident early on, or a few other things the SOS-dan does in public) but not what goes on behind the closed door of the Literary Club. They of course also know about what Haruhi did before she starts the SOS-dan.

THey only know what they've heard and only know what they want to know, and they see Haruhi and Kyon talking-alot-

[Kyanme]

Errr, Kyon don't give a danm to Hruhi's powers. He would be her friend even without it. Actually, given her behaviour in late novels, I believe she would have more friends without her powers.

I meant that Koizumi kept Kyon from being GAR. :eyespin: Not that Kyon cares or anything.

Though I don't think he wants to be friends with her. He kind of only talked to her because she's pretty.

THey only know what they've heard and only know what they want to know, and they see Haruhi and Kyon talking-alot-
I'm not sure what you're inferring here, but that's not enough for people to go "OH. SHE MUST NOT BE A BITCH BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING."

Her behaviour in the classroom is enough. Several students and teachers more than likely saw her in the bunny girl outfit. It's not as much a rumor as something some people likely missed and don't like to talk about. It's probably embressing for the school and faculty.

If I'm missing something here, sorry. :C

[Heatth]

Though I don't think he wants to be friends with her. He kind of only talked to her because she's pretty.

I would post something here. But decided moving it to the right place. Give a look at the Haruhi's character thread, please.

[Ithekro]

This means that anything she does to Mikuru is likely not known, or at best a rumor. Thus the class wouldn't know about Haruhi treating people like toys, since that is pretty much an internal SOS-dan matter.

[AmyElizzabeth]

On a random note, what If Sakanaka had powers? You know, cuz Ryoko seemed to be the only one interested in being friends with her and she's an alien

[Kaisos Erranon]

On a random note, what If Sakanaka had powers? You know, cuz Ryoko seemed to be the only one interested in being friends with her and she's an alien

Sakanaka only has a surname, therefore her having powers is extremely unlikely.

[Otaku Emperor]

well, Yanagimoto dislikes Haruhi.
Is it ever mentioned why?

Anyone else thinks that KuniKaida looks adorable?

Also to Yana? She's probably some egotistic chick, who thinks everyone should conform and be the same.

You get them alot in schools.

[bhl88]

Yeah. She hates the one sticking out (which don't get into trouble): namely Haruhi

[AmyElizzabeth]

Kunikida is adorable.
And yeah, just from looking at Yana I've always though "eww, she seems kinda bishy"

[freakonboard]

I think Yanagimoto's perspective can be put thusly:

A girl waltzes into class every day and acts like she owns the universe. She disrupts the class every other day, stares out the window half the time, runs a group of delinquents out of another club's clubroom, and frequently walks around the school in a bunny suit. Despite all this, she never gets in any real trouble and manages to pwn everyone at everything, especially in athletics and acedemics.

I agree...but just to add one thing:

It's not that hard to believe there's at least 1 female classmate who hate Haruhi, considering she's basically rude and unlikable to everyone in the beginning of the story.

http://image.ohozaa.com/tu/yc210.jpg (http://image.ohozaa.com/iu/yc210.jpg)

[Jonbob0008]

Well, at least we know what Sakanaka looks like, since she'll be playing a role in "The Wandering Shadow," should that story every get animated. She "sort of" gets her wish to be friends with Haruhi. It's more like they become friendly aquaintances, but...

[bhl88]

all who are the costumers of the SOS Brigade becomes the friend of Haruhi, just as Haruhi and Sakanaka are close together...

[Kaisos Erranon]

Well, at least we know what Sakanaka looks like, since she'll be playing a role in "The Wandering Shadow," should that story every get animated. She "sort of" gets her wish to be friends with Haruhi. It's more like they become friendly aquaintances, but...

Actually, we've known what she looked like since that story was printed (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/4/4e/Sh_v08_ch02_03.jpg)... which was before the anime, I believe.

[Jonbob0008]

Actually, we've known what she looked like since that story was printed (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/4/4e/Sh_v08_ch02_03.jpg)... which was before the anime, I believe.

I totally forgot about that picture, although she's far enough to the side that it's hard to see what her hair was.

And I "think" the book was release around the time the anime was in production.

Whatever, I conceed my point.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Sakanaka looks extrememly shy, and nervous..

[Triple_R]

Sakanaka looks extrememly shy, and nervous..

Maybe she has a crush on Haruhi... ;)

[AmyElizzabeth]

Well, I've heard of stuff like that happening...O_O
and it seems like a certain fanbase likes them some Haruhi yuri stuff...*goes and hides*

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Given the fact that her wanting to be friends with Haruhi is important enough to be mentioned in her description...

[Triple_R]

Well, I've heard of stuff like that happening...O_O
and it seems like a certain fanbase likes them some Haruhi yuri stuff...*goes and hides*

So... I'm not only Haruhi's biggest defender here on Anime Suki, I'm also a Haruhi fanbase unto myself? ;)

Neat! :heh: :D

[AmyElizzabeth]

I am, what you or me or whoever, would call, a "ferocious haruhi x kyon shipper and will defend her and aya at any time"
while for Miku, it's like, "please go away.."
with Koizumi it's just....no...
does anyone else think that these minor characters need an episode?

[Triple_R]

does anyone else think that these minor characters need an episode?

It would be a neat idea for an anime original episode perhaps. Perhaps an episode focusing on the class of Haruhi and Kyon moreso than on the SOS Brigade.

[AmyElizzabeth]

SCENE ONE:
Yanagimoto: So...how's life..?
Sakaki:...Good...
Hayama:.....SAme.....
(Roll TOMARE!)
:D

[Ricky Controversy]

You know, that might actually be a rather touching way to convey Haruhi's maturation as something tangible and appreciable by the school, if there were some scenario with a non-supernatural component that put Haruhi at risk either of harm or separation from the SOS Brigade, and the class, having gone from annoyance and confusion over time to awe and a sort of bizarre, resigned affection for 'that crazy girl', came together in support of her.

I could see Kyon providing some powerful narration in the climactic scene, directing his thought to Haruhi, letting her know how much the people around her have come to care and recognize her as developing into someone wonderful.

[Kaisos Erranon]

You know, that might actually be a rather touching way to convey Haruhi's maturation as something tangible and appreciable by the school, if there were some scenario with a non-supernatural component that put Haruhi at risk either of harm or separation from the SOS Brigade, and the class, having gone from annoyance and confusion over time to awe and a sort of bizarre, resigned affection for 'that crazy girl', came together in support of her.

I could see Kyon providing some powerful narration in the climactic scene, directing his thought to Haruhi, letting her know how much the people around her have come to care and recognize her as developing into someone wonderful.

So basically like the ending of Toradora then. >_>

[Ricky Controversy]

So basically like the ending of Toradora then. >_>

Why, good sir, I have positively no idea what you could be referring to. None.

[Triple_R]

You know, that might actually be a rather touching way to convey Haruhi's maturation as something tangible and appreciable by the school, if there were some scenario with a non-supernatural component that put Haruhi at risk either of harm or separation from the SOS Brigade, and the class, having gone from annoyance and confusion over time to awe and a sort of bizarre, resigned affection for 'that crazy girl', came together in support of her.

I could see Kyon providing some powerful narration in the climactic scene, directing his thought to Haruhi, letting her know how much the people around her have come to care and recognize her as developing into someone wonderful.

Haruhi's parents want to have her transferred to a more prestigious school...



The one that's prevalent in Novel 4



This, of course, would physically separate Haruhi from the SOS Brigade during school hours, and make it trickier for them to work as an actual Brigade. It would also have Haruhi removed from her North High class of course.

So... Haruhi's class decides, Kyon-style, that life with out Haruhi would be dull, and decide to try to persuade Haruhi's parents to not go ahead with the transfer. You could have them write up a petition, drop over Haruhi's house en masse, try their hardest to win over Haruhi's parents, etc...

Jonbob could probably write this script, and make it funny. :heh:

Anyway, this would be cool in many ways...

1) Haruhi character development.

2) Haruhi's parents actually show up.

3) Haruhi's class is fleshed out.


What does everybody think?

[AmyElizzabeth]

I wanna see Haruhi's parents, because currently I am under the impression of her having no family and living by herself.
Also, I get that Toradora! referance, funny :)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Haruhi has parents. She believes she has parents, and thus, they exist. :p

[Triple_R]

Haruhi has parents. She believes she has parents, and thus, they exist. :p

Haruhi has parents (well, a father at least - her mother is never referenced so maybe her mother passed on; who knows?), it's just that they don't show up. Pretty understandable given that there's no scenes at Haruhi's home.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Haruhi (at night): I know they exist, I know they do...
there's no scenes at Haruhi's home.
WHich is why Kyon needs to go over there.
I have a strange feeling that Haruhi's a oujo-sama

[Kaisos Erranon]

I have a strange feeling that Haruhi's a oujo-sama

Would explain why she's so spoiled...

Haruhi's parents want to have her transferred to a more prestigious school...

So basically like the ending of Toradora then. >_>

[AmyElizzabeth]

But..Mugi from K-On is Oujo-sama but isn't spoiled.
Oh well.
Maybe North High is a semi-richie school, as Kyouyuen or however the hell you spell it is a richie people schoolio, explaining why Haruhi git in the Yuki-verse and all of Class 1-9 which, was for the smarties?

[Kaisos Erranon]

North High is the most normal high school in the area, which is why Kyon chose it.

Kouyouen Academy, however, is a prestigious school for rich girls. Haruhi would have most definitely gone there if it weren't for -a certain person- which is why yes, her family is probably rich.

[Triple_R]

Would explain why she's so spoiled...

What does Oujo-Sama mean?

And... not all of us have watched all of Toradora you know. If I happen to have struck upon the exact same basic narrative as the end of Toradora, it is purely coincidental. :heh:

[AmyElizzabeth]

Oujo-sama=Milady
Like, It's sort of what servans/maids I guess call the child of who their working for.
That's what I think, at least.
Also, the way Haruhi is dressed (in normal clothes) you can tell she's better off than the average stsudent at North High, And I would recommend Toradora if you like short angry girls falling in love with tall best friends who are also enemies..think of Zero no Tsukaima and Shakugan no Shana

[Triple_R]

Oujo-sama=Milady
Like, It's sort of what servans/maids I guess call the child of who their working for.
That's what I think, at least.
Also, the way Haruhi is dressed (in normal clothes) you can tell she's better off than the average stsudent at North High, And I would recommend Toradora if you like short angry girls falling in love with tall best friends who are also enemies..think of Zero no Tsukaima and Shakugan no Shana

I'm inclined to think that Haruhi is reasonably well-off, but I find it hard to believe that her/her family are outright rich, because...

1) She traded off Mikuru as a promo girl in return for certain businesses giving her certain items for free (such as a video camera).

2) She lays all of these harsh financial penalties on Kyon.

3) Her Uncle got the SOS Brigade to do promotional work for him in return for giving his niece Haruhi the frog costume.


This doesn't strike me as the actions of a rich teenager. A rich teenager would simply use her cash to outright buy what she wanted... she wouldn't go to this sort of needless trouble. What's the cost of a video camera to a rich teenager? Why risk pissing off a guy you like for what is chump change to you?


As for Toradora... I watched a few episodes of it before losing interest. I might pick it up again, though. Thanks for the recommendation all the same. :)

[Kaisos Erranon]

What does Oujo-Sama mean?

And... not all of us have watched all of Toradora you know. If I happen to have struck upon the exact same basic narrative as the end of Toradora, it is purely coincidental. :heh:

Toradora is fantastic and if you like romance series in any what whatsoever I'd suggest you watch it.

An an "oujou-sama" is usually in reference to the daughter of an incredibly rich family...

I'm inclined to think that Haruhi is reasonably well-off, but I find it hard to believe that her/her family are outright rich, because...

1) She traded off Mikuru as a promo girl in return for certain businesses giving her certain items for free (such as a video camera).

2) She lays all of these harsh financial penalties on Kyon.

3) Her Uncle got the SOS Brigade to do promotional work for him in return for giving his niece Haruhi the frog costume.

This doesn't strike me as the actions of a rich teenager. A rich teenager would simply use her cash to outright buy what she wanted... she wouldn't go to this sort of needless trouble. What's the cost of a video camera to a rich teenager? Why risk pissing off a guy you like for what is chump change to you?

And yet she manages to get ahold of these expensive fetishy outfits... I wouldn't be surprised if she only got an allowance of some kind.


Also, the way Haruhi is dressed (in normal clothes) you can tell she's better off than the average stsudent at North High

This is true, her outfits look expensive, unlike, say, what Kyon wears, which is clearly thrown together on the spot.

And I would recommend Toradora if you like short angry girls falling in love with tall best friends who are also enemies..think of Zero no Tsukaima and Shakugan no Shana

-_- Toradora is nothing like ZnT or Shana and comparing Taiga to either of the lead females from those shows is an insult to her excellent character.

[AmyElizzabeth]

But Haruhi would think: "Just buying this stuff is boring! Let's do something more interesting to get it!"
Toradora is nothing like ZnT or Shana and comparing Taiga to either of the lead females from those shows is an insult to her excellent characterNot really.
Same voice actress, their all angry small people who fall in love

[Triple_R]

But Haruhi would think: "Just buying this stuff is boring! Let's do something more interesting to get it!"

Actually... there's a bigger reason to think that Haruhi's family is not rich. The fact that her movie has so incredibly low production values. You don't think that Haruhi would pull out all the stops to make her movie look like a professional Hollywood production if she had the wealth to do so?

Also, Haruhi is clearly quite talented at acquiring items for free. It's not hard to believe that her possession of fetish wear came about through similar means... :heh:

If some fans want to think that Haruhi is from a rich family, that's fine, but the argument behind it is not strong enough to deem it canon, imo.

[AmyElizzabeth]

We're not going to know, ever, probably, wether she's rich or not.
It'd be coolio to think she was, and I can see where she is in some points, but not at rich people let off that they're rich.
Also, maybe she thought the quality was "okay.." and felt no need to change it

[Ithekro]

An odd point. If Kouyouen Academy is for the rich girls...why is Tsuruya in North High?

[AmyElizzabeth]

'Cuz she donts care, nyoro.

[CrowKenobi]

Not really.
Same voice actress, their all angry small people who fall in loveUsing your example, how would you compare Kyon to Yuichi Aizawa? :p

[Triple_R]

We're not going to know, ever, probably, wether she's rich or not.
It'd be coolio to think she was, and I can see where she is in some points, but not at rich people let off that they're rich.
Also, maybe she thought the quality was "okay.." and felt no need to change it

Fair enough.


This discussion reminds me of a mash-up idea I had once.

Ever watch the Annie movie? You know, the classic musical where little orphan Annie is adopted by billionaire Oliver Warbucks? I once thought of doing an AMV of sorts to an Annie movie trailer where Haruhi would be Annie, the boy that trashtalked Annie would be the CCP, Oliver Warbucks would be DCAU Lex Luthor, and the crooks would be Lupin III and his buddies.

Maybe I could give that a try if anybody here would be interested. ;)

It does seem like the idea of Haruhi having rich parents is popular with folks.


On Shana vs. Taiga vs. Louise... Louise struck me as the harshest of the lot, but then she had reason to be given how she was treated in class, lol.

Shana and Taiga (from the few episodes I watched of Toradora) really do seem a lot alike to me, though.

That's no insult to Taiga, though... I personally like Shana's character a lot. She's one of my favorites, actually.

[AmyElizzabeth]

..That's a good idea.
DO THE IDEA TRIPLE R.

[Tensei]

Haruhi doesn't strike me as a rich ojou-sama, more like a middle class teenager, but i guess we'll never know until Kyon steps into Haruhi's house.....it'd be funny if Haruhi's parents ended up being like Haruhi's parents in JonBob's fanfiction:heh:

also, on a side note, Toradora! is in no way anything like Zero no Tsukaima and Shana, even if all three have a romance/comedy feeling, and the three tsunderes are voiced by Kugimiya Rie......Taiga may be a tsundere, but she doesn't have much similarities with Louise and Shana, so yes, it would be kinda insulting to say all three are the same just cuz they're all short tsunderes:heh:

now, can we stop discussing Toradora! before we end up going completely off topic:heh:

[Triple_R]

Haruhi doesn't strike me as a rich ojou-sama, more like a middle class teenager, but i guess we'll never know until Kyon steps into Haruhi's house.....it'd be funny if Haruhi's parents ended up being like Haruhi's parents in JonBob's fanfiction:heh:

also, on a side note, Toradora! is in no way anything like Zero no Tsukaima and Shana, even if all three have a romance/comedy feeling, and the three tsunderes are voiced by Kugimiya Rie......

Well, that's two ways right there, isn't it? :heh:

Toradora! is much more of a strict romance comedy than the other two animes are (the other two animes having far more shonen aspects to it than Toradora! has) but the comparison isn't completely unfair, imo. I can see why Amy made it.


Amy - Thanks for the encouragement. I might give it a shot. :)

[AmyElizzabeth]

You're welcome for lovely encouragement.
Onto topic-san...
um...

....Taniguchi.....should get a date.....*trying to stay on topic of randomly talking about characters*

[Triple_R]

I've always liked the idea of Taniguchi and Tsuruya as a couple for some reason.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Same! Even though she's a few years older and all, for some reason they seem good.
Prolly cuz Tsuruya looks good with just about everyone considering she's friends with just about everyone..

[Ricky Controversy]

Well, Tsuruya's interesting because as far as we see, she's damn close to being 'perfect', but there are, what seem to me, hints of various personality flaws that'd be interesting to explore more fully with just about any other character as a foil, be it romantic or otherwise.

[AmyElizzabeth]

What flaws? besides laughing uncontrollably..

[Ricky Controversy]

What flaws? besides laughing uncontrollably..

Well, her complicity in the drugging of Mikuru during the filming of that scene in 'Itsuki's Room' in Sighs implies two possibilities. Either she is A) given to get carried away doing things for the lulz until she sees the repercussions or is B) manipulative and willing to subject people to unfair treatment to achieve whatever ends she has in mind. The latter point could also be run with if you want to interpret her desire to have a hand in the SOS Brigade, but not one that's drawn into focus or the scrutiny of the group. She contributes when the situation favors it, and she's not 'obliged' like the SOS Brigade members, so whatever influence she exerts is entirely on her terms. Granted, I don't see her as being malevolent, just perhaps a bit distant and playfully cantankerous, but you have that come out in certain contexts, it can create problems.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Remember,it was Haruhi's idea to drug her, but Tsuruya actually did it
She's said so in Novel 7(?) but she knows that Haruhi isn't normal, so maybe she thought "What if I say no? What If sometin megas bad happens?" and decided to go with it to avoid consquences.
But, of course, a few minites along the line..

[Triple_R]

Well, her complicity in the drugging of Mikuru during the filming of that scene in 'Itsuki's Room' in Sighs implies two possibilities. Either she is A) given to get carried away doing things for the lulz until she sees the repercussions or is B) manipulative and willing to subject people to unfair treatment to achieve whatever ends she has in mind.

There's more I want to express concern about, but I'm having a brain cramp right now.

Agreed. I don't consider it a major character flaw, but it is a character flaw. However, it's a character flaw that actually makes Tsuruya a better character in a roundabout way (flawless characters are typically uninteresting).

[AmyElizzabeth]

Every character has a flaw- especially Yanagimoto. get over yourself and like Haruhi
Haruhi especially, which once again makes me wonder how her life at home is.
Speaking of which, Kyon should have his nonexistant parents show up.
Everyone's parent should show up for conferences :p

[Ricky Controversy]

Agreed. I don't consider it a major character flaw, but it is a character flaw. However, it's a character flaw that actually makes Tsuruya a better character in a roundabout way (flawless characters are typically uninteresting).

Oh definitely, from a literary perspective, this stuff is what made me take an interest in her, thinking "Gee, even this secondary character has hints laid out for possible development throughout the series."

If anything, I'd like to see those things fleshed out more. And given my neutrality on shipping, I could actually see myself enjoying a Tsuruya/Kyon (or whomever) fic that really drew her out further, rather than her 'perfect' typecasting. Tsuruya Family Law was very impressively drawn, but that sort of presentation of her falls short of a believable, enjoyable mark to me.

[Triple_R]

Every character has a flaw- especially Yanagimoto. get over yourself and like Haruhi
Haruhi especially, which once again makes me wonder how her life at home is.
Speaking of which, Kyon should have his nonexistant parents show up.
Everyone's parent should show up for conferences :p

Since you keep talking about Haruhi's parents... you may want to check out my fanfic The Father of Haruhi Suzumiya (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5307284/1/The_Father_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya). It focuses on my conception of what Haruhi's father might be like, based on Haruhi's own personality.

I haven't updated it in ages, but you might enjoy what I've done already.

[Otaku Emperor]

Since you keep talking about Haruhi's parents... you may want to check out my fanfic The Father of Haruhi Suzumiya (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5307284/1/The_Father_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya). It focuses on my conception of what Haruhi's father might be like, based on Haruhi's own personality.

I haven't updated it in ages, but you might enjoy what I've done already.

I'm guessing.

Somewhat like Konata's dad is to Konata?

[quigonkenny]

Man, when the mods get to this thread, there's going to be some massive editing... You guys do know this is the "General Character" discussion thread, and not the Tsuruya (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=85612) or Haruhi (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=85588) thread, right?

-_- Toradora is nothing like ZnT or Shana and comparing Taiga to either of the lead females from those shows is an insult to her excellent character.
I honestly don't know if you're kidding or serious there, but either way, it's hilarious. Kugimin humor... ^_^

[Otaku Emperor]

Man, when the mods get to this thread, there's going to be some massive editing... You guys do know this is the "General Character" discussion thread, and not the Tsuruya (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=85612) or Haruhi (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=85588) thread, right?


I honestly don't know if you're kidding or serious there, but either way, it's hilarious. Kugimin humor... ^_^


www.1guy1interface1cup.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIFuocXTk3Q)

We are doing general character discussion.

Haruhi and Tsuruya ARE general characters ;p

I always have wondered though, where are the parents half the time?

Cause it seems like they are on perm vacation (At least for Kyon)

[xris]

From the opening post of this thread :eyebrow:
The purpose of this thread is to provide a place to discuss things related to all the Suzumiya Haruhi series characters who are not fortunate enough to have a thread of their own.
It seem A few Infractions are going to be in order since certain people seem so clueless that they can't understand that discussion on Haruhi and Kyon does not belong in this thread. I suggest recent posters make use of the Edit button http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.style/default/buttons/edit.gif before they get banned.

[worldruined]

I always have wondered though, where are the parents half the time?

Cause it seems like they are on perm vacation (At least for Kyon)
We see more of Kyon's mother than we do anyone else's parents. His father gets a mention, Haruhi's father gets a mention, her mother is unknown, Koizumi's parents are completely unknown, Nagato presumably has nothing that we would consider parental units, and Asahina-san's are also a mystery (and still far off in the future, probably).

Parents just aren't that interesting or relevant to the story, I guess, even if I'm really curious about what they're like. :meh:

[AmyElizzabeth]

This topic would (if stay on topic) should be changed to "The CHarcter Discussian of Kunikida and Taniguchi"
And Triple R, I already have read it. And have been waiting a long time for an update haha :D

[DmitryEV]

This topic would (if stay on topic) should be changed to "The CHarcter Discussian of Kunikida and Taniguchi"
And Triple R, I already have read it. And have been waiting a long time for an update haha :D

You forgot about Tsuruya, Asakura Ryoko and Kyon's sister. ;)

[worldruined]

Please, everyone knows the General Character thread is for discussing the intricacies of the CCP, bless his little heart.

(Speaking of, his parents are in "Honduras"? Tanigawa really seems to dislike parents. XD)

[AmyElizzabeth]

Bad expirience in childhood?
Or maybe that's where everyone's family's are at! They're all in Honduras!

[Jonbob0008]

You forgot about Tsuruya, Asakura Ryoko and Kyon's sister. ;)

Tsuruya got her own thread. Ryoko and Kyon's sister are fine, though.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Ryoko has her own thread, too. I think

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Nope. Tsuruya's the only one outside the Brigade that does, and that's largely because she would've most likely taken over this thread anyway. :heh:

[AmyElizzabeth]

Oh, I guess. You have a point, but now, why doesn't Ryoko? There's plenty of..disscussion-y things that could overtake this thread

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Aside from things that are better left for other threads, she's only had one appearance. If Asakura's going to get a thread, then Taniguchi would need one, as well.

[bhl88]

lol Taniguchi and Kunikuda don't have their own character image songs... probably the same reason whhy there's no thread for them. The only thing Ryoko can probably get is a "The Psycho" thread and Taniguchi and Kunikuda can get "The Two Idiots" Thread :heh:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Actually... it was announced that Taniguchi is getting one. :heh:

[Triple_R]

Aside from things that are better left for other threads, she's only had one appearance. If Asakura's going to get a thread, then Taniguchi would need one, as well.

Asakura is a cool character, but she just doesn't show up enough to warrant her own thread, imo.

So, yeah, I agree with Kogetsu here.

[bhl88]

Asakura is a cool character, but she just doesn't show up enough to warrant her own thread, imo.

So, yeah, I agree with Kogetsu here.

As she was removed from the story within the half part of the first novel, I agree with that. Reappeared in the 4th novel but disappeared in the end again.