Questions about circles and rules

[Cheese]

I was wondering, if Colonel Mustang can do transmutations of flame at any time because he has the circle on the back of his glove, why don't all alchemists cover the insides or outsides of their clothes with every type of alchemy circle? That way they'd never have to worry about drawing one (it must be hard to do a perfect circle like that...). Also, my friend, who reads the manga, tells me that any circle can be used for any type of transmutation. That sounds kind of dumb to me, because then there'd be no point in making the huge complicated ones. Is this the truth or is he just overexpressing his opinion again? -.-

I was telling one of my friends about FMA, and I said that it was illegal for them to trasmute anything into gold. My friend asked "What about silver?". Could you turn lead into silver? Titanium? Uranium? Or is the rule broad enough that you simply can't make a profit from raw-material conversions?

Thanks for your thoughts,

Kanraku

[nak]

I was wondering, if Colonel Mustang can do transmutations of flame at any time because he has the circle on the back of his glove, why don't all alchemists cover the insides or outsides of their clothes with every type of alchemy circle? That way they'd never have to worry about drawing one (it must be hard to do a perfect circle like that...). Also, my friend, who reads the manga, tells me that any circle can be used for any type of transmutation. That sounds kind of dumb to me, because then there'd be no point in making the huge complicated ones. Is this the truth or is he just overexpressing his opinion again? -.-

I was telling one of my friends about FMA, and I said that it was illegal for them to trasmute anything into gold. My friend asked "What about silver?". Could you turn lead into silver? Titanium? Uranium? Or is the rule broad enough that you simply can't make a profit from raw-material conversions?

Thanks for your thoughts,

Kanraku
The only reason my Mustang has that circle on his glove is because the glove is the source of which his transmutation is derived from. The sparks on the gloves are enhanced my the circle on his glove. There'd be no point in drawing circles all over your clothes unless the material you were wearing is relevant to the transmutation you are about to do. Ex - When Ed forms his circle with his 2 hands, he automatically touches the material he is going to transmute and tada.

And I think it's pretty safe to assume that you're not allowed to profit from transmutation, or else alot of alchemists like Nina's dad wouldn't ever have to worry about being a state alchemist or what not because they would all have tne basic skill of producing something they can profit from. Theres no need for the worth while alchemists to do this because most of the ones who can are already in the military and earn a ton of money to begin with as Ed has demonstrated.

Your friend is right to assume that any type of circle may be used to preform a transmutation (Look at Ed, hes known for not needing one cause he just makes one our of his 2 arms). Not sure why this is so though. I picked this lil bit up from this thread:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=8369

[Cheese]

The only reason my Mustang has that circle on his glove is because the glove is the source of which his transmutation is derived from. The sparks on the gloves are enhanced my the circle on his glove. There'd be no point in drawing circles all over your clothes unless the material you were wearing is relevant to the transmutation you are about to do. Ex - When Ed forms his circle with his 2 hands, he automatically touches the material he is going to transmute and tada.

And I think it's pretty safe to assume that you're not allowed to profit from transmutation, or else alot of alchemists like Nina's dad wouldn't ever have to worry about being a state alchemist or what not because they would all have tne basic skill of producing something they can profit from. Theres no need for the worth while alchemists to do this because most of the ones who can are already in the military and earn a ton of money to begin with as Ed has demonstrated.

Your friend is right to assume that any type of circle may be used to preform a transmutation (Look at Ed, hes known for not needing one cause he just makes one our of his 2 arms). Not sure why this is so though. I picked this lil bit up from this thread:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=8369

But... if every circle can be used universally, and it only has to be touching (In atomic theory, "touching" only means that the atoms are close enough together, air is close enough thogether because of the demonstration with the wind expansion-contraction amulet.) the thing it's transmuting, all ANY alchemist needs is one glove with a simple circle on it do to any transmutation, like ed- but with one hand.

[nak]

If that was the case, scar couldve just squished Ed's tiny lil head 50 feet away because he is technically 'touching' him. and its not like we can all just slap a circle on our hand and preform alchemy, you have to understand the fundamentals of how the circle works to begin with. which explains why Mustang and Ed's attributes and unique use of the circle isn't copied. (as we know of yet)

[Yebyosh]

I was wondering, if Colonel Mustang can do transmutations of flame at any time because he has the circle on the back of his glove, why don't all alchemists cover the insides or outsides of their clothes with every type of alchemy circle? That way they'd never have to worry about drawing one (it must be hard to do a perfect circle like that...). Also, my friend, who reads the manga, tells me that any circle can be used for any type of transmutation. That sounds kind of dumb to me, because then there'd be no point in making the huge complicated ones. Is this the truth or is he just overexpressing his opinion again? -.-
This topic was talked about before as the topic starter said Mustang was cheating.

The topic with my answers as well as many other comments can be located at

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=94848#post94848

Note that the range and extent of effects of the alchemy is dependent on the alchemist's strength/talent.

To transmute A to B, the alchemist would have to know about the composition of B. He cannot blindly transmute A into B. How great a degree a material can be transmuted from its original form is also dependent on the alchemist's strength. Plus it seems that it is near-impossible to transmute an organic (flesh, water) into an inorganic (gold, steel) and vice-versa.

If you want to learn what the manga says about alchemy and sigils and you are willing to be exposed to some heavy spoilers, you can go to

http://www.geocities.com/yebyosh04/Test.html and download the Truth (only 474kB).

Heh. Nak sorta advertised my site/thread :p.

I was telling one of my friends about FMA, and I said that it was illegal for them to trasmute anything into gold. My friend asked "What about silver?". Could you turn lead into silver? Titanium? Uranium? Or is the rule broad enough that you simply can't make a profit from raw-material conversions?
The National Alchemists are bonded by their rules that state that they are not allowed to "create" wealth. This is encapsulated by the no transmutation of gold rule. In fact, it is a law of the country (as such applicable to anyone). It is logical as such acts would destabilise any economy and render trade, socio-stability and international relationships into chaos.

[BigFire]

This topic was talked about before as the topic starter said Mustang was cheating.

The topic with my answers as well as many other comments can be located at

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=94848#post94848

Note that the range and extent of effects of the alchemy is dependent on the alchemist's strength/talent.

To transmute A to B, the alchemist would have to know about the composition of B. He cannot blindly transmute A into B. How great a degree a material can be transmuted from its original form is also dependent on the alchemist's strength. Plus it seems that it is near-impossible to transmute an organic (flesh, water) into an inorganic (gold, steel) and vice-versa.

If you want to learn what the manga says about alchemy and sigils and you are willing to be exposed to some heavy spoilers, you can go to

http://www.geocities.com/yebyosh04/Test.html and download the Truth (only 474kB).

Heh. Nak sorta advertised my site/thread :p.


The National Alchemists are bonded by their rules that state that they are not allowed to "create" wealth. This is encapsulated by the no transmutation of gold rule. In fact, it is a law of the country (as such applicable to anyone). It is logical as such acts would destabilise any economy and render trade, socio-stability and international relationships into chaos.

Although everyone's favorite villianous National Alchemist Basque Gran's speciality seemed to be exactly the hard flesh->metal alchemy. That's why he's known as Iron Blood Alchemist.

The imprisoned alchemist in episode 21 is Kimberly the Mad Bomber, who carved his sigil on his palms. Thus he can transmute any object he touch into explosive.

[haunterex]

here's an explaination, sorry about not putting a spoiler tag earlier, i didnt know how haha....

i been reading the manga lately, and the reason ed can do transmutation is because he did the alchemist taboo - human transmutation. He literally seem a certain form of hell, or heaven. In the comic, it was explained with the theory of "all is one and one is all" kinda stuff. Ed's leg was taken away because he was shown to a form of "life stream or information stream" that consisted of everything that existed and occured. It's kinda like the concept in shaman king.
He than traded his arm for the soul of his brother, and in a scene, it showed a invisible person gained ed's arm when ed traded his arm for his brother's soul.

Their master, can also perform transmutation with the circle, because she did human transmutation before as well. She lost some of her internal organ because of that.

[Yebyosh]

Although everyone's favorite villianous National Alchemist Basque Gran's speciality seemed to be exactly the hard flesh->metal alchemy. That's why he's known as Iron Blood Alchemist. Guran transforms the metal he has on hand into his walking arsenal. He can also transmute the iron in his blood (haemoglobin) to achieve that. So it is not transforming his flesh. If it comes from his body, it is the iron in his blood. Which is why he is the Iron Blood Alchemist.

The imprisoned alchemist in episode 21 is Kimberly the Mad Bomber, who carved his sigil on his palms. Thus he can transmute any object he touch into explosive. Kimberly's specialty is in the energy level and stability of molecular bonds. By destabilising them, he excites the materials into unstable elements which can explode. His ability on organics can be based on the unproved science of spontaneous combustion. In any case, he does not transmute organics into inorganics. This is my answer to your statement of his ability since we have not seen his power displayed in full yet (There was only the power boosted scene and it is not clear on how he achieved the explosions).

haunterex, thank you for using the tags.

[haunterex]

just a question out of the blue, where are u getting ur manga scan for fma?
i am getting it from some chinese group but they are slloooowwwwwww to release new chapters....

[Yebyosh]

Here's a revision of what I said about Kimberly's abilities since in Ep22, he explained it himself :D

Basically Kimberly create explosions by chemical decomposition and recombination. He breaks down components in our bodies and recombines them into potassium nitrates, glycerol, sulfur, etc (the components of explosives) and ignites them with supplied energies.

[sarcasteak]

Here's a revision of what I said about Kimberly's abilities since in Ep22, he explained it himself :D

Basically Kimberly create explosions by chemical decomposition and recombination. He breaks down components in our bodies and recombines them into potassium nitrates, glycerol, sulfur, etc (the components of explosives) and ignites them with supplied energies.

So in essence, he can pretty much blow up anything organic... :twitch:

But does the target have to be close-ranged, or did he just want to push the poor fella to the wall so the damage will impact it directly?

[Yebyosh]

So in essence, he can pretty much blow up anything organic... :twitch:

But does the target have to be close-ranged, or did he just want to push the poor fella to the wall so the damage will impact it directly?
Kimberly has his sigils carved on the skin of his palms so I would expect it to be a close range (touch-based) power unboosted. But with the booster from the immature Philosopher Stone, he could have detonated the fella right where he stands. He pushed the fella to the wall to impact it directly in your speak.

Here's a thought. Kimberly's a Diablo Necromancer!!! Corpse Explosion galore *muhahaha*

I am not too certain if he can only affect organics. After all he can draw on the chemicals in his own body and transfer them via his palms to the target and recombine them into explosives. But that will exhaust him a lot (since it takes nutrients away from him).

[sarcasteak]

Here's a thought. Kimberly's a Diablo Necromancer!!! Corpse Explosion galore *muhahaha

You mean the pre-nerfed CE...ah the abuse was fun for that first two weeks. XD


I am not too certain if he can only affect organics. After all he can draw on the chemicals in his own body and transfer them via his palms to the target and recombine them into explosives. But that will exhaust him a lot (since it takes nutrients away from him).

That...sounds kind of disgusting. o_0;;
But if what you've concluded is true, then Mustang's ability is still much stronger and more versatile. :thinker: