Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Klashikari]

Ok, so they ended with Beato barging in Natsuhi's room. I question this choice as they could simply do that at the chapel, but well (super momentum break). But on the other hand, there is a LOT to cover for the last Ep2 episode.
Worldenddominator was used, but only when Gohda saw the goats.

Meanwhile, Beelzebub had a super high pitched voice, but it is still acceptable, (while I still can't help but think Asmo breathed toncrap of helium).
Gohda's VA was very good for the panicked performances, though the expressions and animations didn't follow that quite well.
Rosa was even more loathable than I first thought in the VN :heh:

I have no idea if it was my raw or something, but it seems they skipped the "There is no one hiding!" with Battler's despair galore. Actually, Battler has shown emotions here, but the lead up was a bit too brutal I think.

[June 1983]

Wow, that's only how far they got? How on earth are they going to get through everything that is left next episode? D:

[BakaOnna]

Yeah how are they going to cover the rest of the arc in 1 episode? There's still a good deal to cover. I thought they would end at least when the bodies were discovered.

Does this mean Ep2 is actually 7 episodes? Then what about Ep3 and Ep4? :uhoh:

[MayumiHime]

Wow, that's only how far they got? How on earth are they going to get through everything that is left next episode? D:

That's what I think too. o__o ... So they need to rush a lot. D:

Has somebody the 2chan link?

[UnknownBeast]

That's so weird...

We're all obviously fine of the pace being slow, but are we looking at a 3 arc season here?

http://dec.2chan.net/18/res/9235237.htm

A question,
So, could anyone here confirm that they didn't put in "You are incompetent!"...?

[MarthX]

Practically guaranteed that it's 26 episodes and they couldn't and wouldn't stretch the third arc that long.

[Volcanic]

0_o They hardly covered anything...that's really messed up. Seriously, I expected them to at least get to the next two twilights...

Could we be looking at 7 episodes? We already got that first thing...unless they cram everything into the next episode (NOOOOOOOOOOO ;_; ) 7 episodes is good.

...Actually, this episode might be too slow...

(D8 They took out You are incompetent? Drat! That was my favorite! :heh: )

[Marion]

No it's definietly six episodes - next episode is Back Rank Mate: following the trend of mates being the end of the arc. DEEN already hid the existence of a sixth episode at first, so unless they're hiding another episode (highly doubting that) then next episode concludes the second arc.

[Volcanic]

No it's definietly six episodes - next episode is Back Rank Mate: following the trend of mates being the end of the arc. DEEN already hid the existence of a sixth episode at first, so unless they're hiding another episode (highly doubting that) then next episode concludes the second arc.

Which makes me sad, because it will be rushed. Unless they keep the tea party short, then it'll be okay...but we still have the ???...

[Leinne]

If every episode was like this , me would be sooooooo happy
Loved Beato maniacal expressions and Battler's reactions, i liked a lot this episode

EDIT: Didn't anyone EVER notice that seasons are usuallly 12-13 episode long, and with 5-6, that would be just 11. I was hoping from the vert beginning 6-7-11. I could dream. They can do 5-7-7-7 if they skip the terribly interesting character development from ep4, not many people like it

[bigemperor]

I really love this episode, world endominator was epic buuuuut they have a LOT to cover in only one episode, they will rush a lot


If the skip the epic gar rosa scene i will hate deen with all my soul, that scene has to be PERFECT with worldendominator


the episodes left to adapt are
* Episode 2, Chapter 15: Fleeting Resistance (Final part
* Episode 2, Chapter 16: Surrender
* Episode 2, Chapter 17: Resurrection
* Episode 2, Banquet of the Witch
* Episode 2, Endroll
* Episode 2, Tea Party
* Episode 2, Secret Tea Party

a lot =(

[MarthX]

Keep in mind that resurrection is very short.

[Proto]

Can we worry about the next episode when the next episode comes and concentrate on the current one? Thank you :)

[momobunny]

This episode was definitely one of my favorites. I must admit, the thought of cramming stuff into the next episode scared me... but just concentrating on this episode itself, I must admit that it was pretty good. The animation was MUCH better than in last week's (in my opinion anyway).

My favorite part was Beelzebub's introduction, I like her voice. :3

I think I'm going to rate this episode an 8 at least, but I'm going to wait for the subbed version before rating it.

[Saerianne]

Gonna wait on subbed, but i liked it. :)
They have to cram a lot in the next ep, but that's already been discussed.
Hmm... Beelze's voice... i'm a bit iffy, but you know, can't do anything about it.
And can I just say that I love Ohara?
They missed out on some bits though... I guess they have to but I was looking forward to a certain red text.

[June 1983]

Can we worry about the next episode when the next episode comes and concentrate on the current one? Thank you :)

I think it's a valid conversation topic. A lot of people haven't been able to watch it yet, so if they can't do a little speculation about what scenes will appear when, there isn't much else to post about for a day or so. Anyway, you've got a scrollbar for a reason.

[Sterling01]

I'm surprised they cut the "Call me, Beato" scene

[Saerianne]

I'm surprised they cut the "Call me, Beato" scene

They'll have to add that in somewhere. Beatooo!
Hmm, I think Beezle's voice is more like what I imagined Asmo's to be, though it isn't bad at all.

[Akuryou]

A good episode, really. Some stuff were cut, but the important and substantial were left, and that's what matters. Though Rosa's and Gohda's seiyuu work was really amazing.

The only thing I'm bothered is how DEEN underplays the novel's descriptions. When the group was feeling from the Golden Butterflies in the chapel, I imagined many, many more butterflies, and a wave of them. Same as when Beatrice and the goats enter Natsuhi's room- the VN says the room was turned into shades of gold, but in the anime, I can only see a dozen butterflies flying above the witch's furniture.

Regardless, really nice episode. They could've started it a bit earlier, but major props for worldenddominator in the end.

[chronotrig]

This episode turned out very well. Could they have done better? Yes. Did they nail enough of it to make it work? Definitely.

As for pacing, I think they handled it as well as they could. Unlike EP1, they were able to stick in what they needed to without making things feel rushed, and only fully eliminating one scene I was sad to see go. I'm a bit worried about ep11, but we'll get there when we get there.

[Xander]

A good episode, really. Some stuff were cut, but the important and substantial were left, and that's what matters. Though Rosa's and Gohda's seiyuu work was really amazing.

I agree. I'm liking the voice acting work in the series a lot and those two in particular did a pretty good job this time around. Even Maria's voice was alright, although in her case the creepy faces continue to be...overused.


The only thing I'm bothered is how DEEN underplays the novel's descriptions. When the group was feeling from the Golden Butterflies in the chapel, I imagined many, many more butterflies, and a wave of them. Same as when Beatrice and the goats enter Natsuhi's room- the VN says the room was turned into shades of gold, but in the anime, I can only see a dozen butterflies flying above the witch's furniture.

This is certainly true, but then again there's no way to compete with those long, detailed descriptions and the power of imagination...at least not without twice the budget this adaptation probably has. :heh:


Regardless, really nice episode. They could've started it a bit earlier, but major props for worldenddominator in the end.

Yeah, I wished they had spent their time a little more wisely too, since that song is such a great listen.

Next week should be very interesting, provided that the studio doesn't stumble in the process. The current episode was nevertheless good enough for my tastes.

[Marion]

Finished the raw.

General:
Pacing - Still good, it wasn't nearly as slow as the last episode thankfully.
Voices - Loved Hitoshi Bifu (Gohda) in this episode. I also liked Beelzebub's voice, even though she was only there for a short time. Ohara is still good, but sometimes I think she kind of overdid it :heh: I think she's having tons of fun.
Music - Dominator was kept, thankfully, albeit it was used for a very short time. I think it would have worked better when Shannon was being attacked by the golden butterflies, but that might not have worked since once they got to Natsuhi's room there was any sense of urgency until they heard Beatrice's voice. I liked the choices overall.
Art - Good. I really liked Maria's facial expressions, for once, and Gohda was done great too. Although only thing I don't get is why they made Shannon's eyes bulging in the scene when George is trying to open the box and she's watching him. I mean what, it looks so weird :heh:

Pros:
-Mostly kept everything intact (which scene did they remove?)
-Shannon was handled well, although it was weird how she went from crying to normal in almost an instance.
-Poor Battler ;_;
-Genji talking to Rosa was really good. I felt a sense of tension and almost pity from the others on him, as he was forced to turn over the master key he was trusted with to Rosa.

Cons:
-The way the episode ended.
-Still think they should have shown Beelzebub coming straight through the door instead of just outside of it.

Overall:
This episode was good, but now I fear for the finale episode. There is a lot of things to put in and I'm worried they'll go at a super fast pace to accomplish getting everything in. But besides that worry, which I can save for next week, I'll give this episode an 8/10.

[TsundereCake]

I'm surprised they cut the "Call me, Beato" scene

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DDDDDDDDDDDD: Me saaaaaaad DDDD:

[Volcanic]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DDDDDDDDDDDD: Me saaaaaaad DDDD:

SECONDED. D8

Oh, us and our fangirling...

[MarthX]

The call me Beato scene was during the first meta battle in the VN.

[TsundereCake]

SECONDED. D8

Oh, us and our fangirling...

Glad that DEEN is finally adding the moe-fang though ^w^~

[EroShinobi]

Pretty good episode. I like the part where Maria kiss Battler cheek. :D

[Volcanic]

Review Tiem!

Pretty good episode, 8.5\10.

+ OH MAGICAL GOHDA CHEF YOU NEVER FAIL TO MAKE ME SMILE
+ Battler's breakdown, and the following scene with Beato, were spectacular. Already favorites, maybe in the whole anime.
+ Rosa was awesome, and Maria less creepy
+ MOE SHANNON IS MOE
+ Genji=Badass
+ I love how Beato's just like "Wazzup bitches, I has goats." She's epic.
+ George was so...COOL for some reason. xD
+ Beelzebub is awesome, her "Kawaii!" made me laugh so hard.

? Animation fails. xD Gohda and Genji also looked kinda weird in some shots.

- They took out the "Call Me" scene! DDD8
- They didn't get far enough to give the next episode good pacing, *sigh*

[TsundereCake]

+ I love how Beato's just like "Wazzup bitches, I has goats." She's epic.


I'm never going to be able to un-think that next time I watch that scene XDD (subbed version)

Was the

"I'll make you my favorite furniture" and "I'll love you so much" taken out? I didn't watch the raw from start ---- finish.

[Christen]

Was the

"I'll make you my favorite furniture" and "I'll love you so much" taken out? I didn't watch the raw from start ---- finish.

I think those extra red texts have been removed. It's a loss, but given the time, they wouldn't have been able to fit everything good in.

Anyways, for a review:
Good episode as the emotions are back. Shannon lacked in this category though (she fell into her knees in the VN iirc), just because she want back to normal worried face after her supposed breakdown. Battler wins this one though with his own breakdown. And Rosa's reaction after the servants leave really make you cringe.

Next scene has the chapel chase scene. Like a few said, I expected more butterflies. Maybe in the DVD? :heh: Budget-wise it would have been consuming. Props for worldenddominator even though played a bit short.

The way they ended the episode, I wonder how they'll fit everything else if the next episode is the last. I'm expecting the next episode to be a bit rushed, but I hope they deliver it well.

[SpicyKitty]

Yeah, it was a bit rushed and some stuff were cut, but it was a good episode.

[Volcanic]

I think those extra red texts have been removed.

NOOOOOOOOO. ;_;

My fangirly side is saaaad...that part makes me so happy when I read it in the VN...

...lol, they even took out You are incompetent. :heh:

[serenade_beta]

Hand scene... It's been a while since I found this anime scary. (It's fine as a comedy too though...)
And then there were the goat (*huge laugh*) and moving key (funny, UmiNeko quality).
Though Beezlebub, huh... The only thing I can think of is the one in Night Wizard.

Goutaaaaaaaaaaaa! :T_T: It was fun while he was alive. With his panicking. :heh:

It's also been a while since Maria stopped making hilarious facial distortions and looked like a cute little girl for once. Well, she still made one or two this episode.

Phew... I was worried the sponsors would be dull again, but they reversed the scene at the end... :heh:
The flying words are hard to read and entertaining as ever though. (Just scroll them normally, animator...) Circling, flying... What's next... *goes to Powerpoint*

As interesting as ever. <--overall opinion

[Christen]

I really liked Beelzebub's "OSHIMAI!" because it's so her.

Gohda also goes up in the good seiyuu list.

[Beruko08]

hmm. I wonder if it's just me or beato's laughing scene has been more and more well-done recently while they're trying to reduce Maria's facial distortion scene...:heh:
Ohara has done a really good job at making Beato's laughing sound which fits to her face. But i wonder why they didn't show Beezlebub's full face, is it because she was supposed to be thrown through the door?

[TsundereCake]

hmm. I wonder if it's just me or beato's laughing scene has been more and more well-done recently while they're trying to reduce Maria's facial distortion scene...:heh:
Ohara has done a really good job at making Beato's laughing sound which fits to her face. But i wonder why they didn't show Beezlebub's full face, is it because she was supposed to be thrown through the door?

I think her laugh has gotten more insane sounding in the last couple episodes :heh: Definitely surpassing Satsuki-san's Shmion laugh.

[Volcanic]

Definitely surpassing Satsuki-san's Shmion laugh.

No way! Shmion's was batshiz insane. ...Or maybe the atmosphere of the episodes made it creepier...

Oh yeah, this episode made me like GeoShan more for some reason. Maybe it was SUPER NOT-DORKY George and MOE MOE Shannon that did it...

[Evy]

-Pacing was... slower than I imagined. I'm worried about next episode :uhoh:
-GOHDA WHY SO AMAZING
-Needs moar butterflies.
-The 'getting to Natsuhi's room' part wasn't how I imagined it at all. In the VN I thought the scene was incredibly tense and urgent, yet in the anime it had calmed down a lot. :eyebrow:
-Beato's cackle just keeps getting more and more epic.
-I squealed at the kiss on the cheek. whysocute ;;;
-lol, DEEN.

[momobunny]

I find myself watching Beelzebub's part over and over again.

[tcaz2]

-lol, DEEN.

This is pretty much all I have to say about this episode.

I'm not even going to try to give it an actual rating this time.

[patnam]

the best part of this episode: Gohda!!!

[Ssol]

This episode was awesome even though I thought they could have done the goats coming down the hall scene better. I'll give a 10 for Beato's crazy one eye face. :heh:

I hope they do 2 more episodes for this arc since there is too much material left to fit into one episode. I'm worried about where this episode ended...

WHAT IF THERE IS ONLY 13 EPISODES FOR THE WHOLE SEASON??? :frustrated:

[Registered Member]

I've fallen in love with Gohda.

I hope they do 2 more episodes for this arc since there is too much material left to fit into one episode. I'm worried about where this episode ended...

WHAT IF THERE IS ONLY 13 EPISODES FOR THE WHOLE SEASON??? :frustrated:

I think it's been confirmed to be 26.

[maya-nee]

all I can say is Beelzebub's voice and appearance was good in this episode.

Gohda points +10 as well

[MeoTwister5]

gg subs are out.

[UnknownBeast]

So, could anyone here tell me what are they saying here about the ep11 preview? @_@

第１１話予告は、制作上の都合により９月４日夕方以降の配信を予定しております。

The story is 11 notice, the production schedule on September 4 after we are planning the delivery of Monday evening.

11th story notice has planned the transmission after the September 4 day and night one with the circumstances in regard to production.

EDIT: I just need to read more carefully... Seems that they got production problems so the preview is late.. I wonder what that means...

[Volcanic]

So, could anyone here tell me what are they saying here about the ep11 preview? @_@

Episode 11 preview is coming out tomorrow, not today.

[SealedTime]

Woah, Beelzebub was awesome.
That aside, it was really epic . xD

[jeroz]

now the question being: how's Kinzo doing? Just enjoying his drink while waiting for the ordeal to finish?Genji stayed behind made him a little bit more suspicious. If the trend continues we will find Gohda+George+Shannon's body in Natsuhi's room, and possibly Genji's body in the Kitchen. Then the ritual will be complete and Grandpa will be happy. Or unless Genji is alive and Kinzo found dead~

Piece-Battler believing Beatrice had my jaws dropped, then I realised that it's Meta-Battler's belief that matters. But yeah, is it true that the tea party in EP2 will be extremely gory?
After seen too many fanarts, will be looking forward to the Rosa-Musou

I love it when they put in 90sec of WorldEndDominator, that scene just change my perception of that track to an extreme sense of urgency.
I'd been wondering, if it's not witches' doing, where did those stakes come from?? They look to be quite big to be carrying around on in the airport, not to mention that the security will be quite concerned about bringing weapons onto the plane. Therefore it's either from Kinzo's study or Krauss has got another of his little secret locked room that stocks those stakes.

[MeoTwister5]

Personally an excellently done episode:

The Bad:

1. Yep the end. A bit of a odd event to end the episode with, which is probably more due to the good pacing of the episode and the lead in to the next one, the final one (?) for this arc.

2. Are Shannon's boobs getting bigger?:eyebrow:

The Good:

1. For the first time, very good and consistent animation through the episode. And I thought DEEN didn't know the meaning of quality checks.

2. And yes, I'll echo the great voice acting here for Gohda, Beelzebub, Rosa and Battler. Only Daisuke Ono can make screams of despair sound so manly. Especially that tone change for Beelzebub, despite only having 2 lines.

3. Yay for WorldEndDominator. Too bad it was a bit too subdued at the end, but thankfully it ended up getting used.

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I'm not particularly worried about the next episode actually. It doesn't exactly mean it'll be compressed to hell, they can cut out a few scenes here and there, and you can still have maybe some of the metaworld in episode 12.

[Raneh]

But yeah, is it true that the tea party in EP2 will be extremely gory?
That totally depends on what Deen decides to show us but yeah, it should be intense and, maybe, disgusting. I sure hope DEEN doesn't plan on making everything fit in one episode by skipping all that.

After seen too many fanarts, will be looking forward to the Rosa going berserk and pawn those goats
Don't know what you've seen but I wonder if it'll be exaggerated like it was with Kanon. Anyway that should be nothing compared to a certain person's duel in ep4 :D

And yeah, with Kinzo having so much occult stuff around it'd be no wonder to find a few stakes.

About the episode, a few things caught my attention

1.Voice acting
Battler's scream was quite good for once
Beato's laugh is getting much better than I ever imagined
Gohda, Rosa and Beelzebub did great

2. Pacing
It felt like it was going a bit slower than usually. It's not bad but it should at least have covered that Natsuhi's room scene imo

[June 1983]

Guys, stop talking about stuff that hasn't happened yet. It's not allowed, even in spoilers. :p You know that!

[Chrono Helix]

The door and window cannot be entered or exited through when locked.
It's impossible to unlock the door except with a servant room key or a master key.This seems a little too obvious.

[June 1983]

I decided to give this episode a 10. I was really pleased with it in the end. I'm nervous about the pacing for the next episode, but I wasn't going to let that affect my assessment of this one. Yeah, there are a few things here and there I would personally have done differently, but I think they did a great job overall. The end was especially wonderful. Hurray for Magical Gohda Chef! And I was also extremely impressed by Beelzebub's single line, I have to admit. OSHIMAI!

[Skullchukka]

Can't get enough of Gohda. Need more Gohda love.
Also I loved the ending part, as well as the good usage of Worldend dominator. Again, feels like it's going in lightning speed, but it can't be helped.

I gave it a 10. So far, only ep5 and ep10 got 10's from me. ^^

[Viridian]

What the heck was up with that random commercial in the gg sub...:twitch:

Anyway it was a pretty exciting episode. I'm surprised Shannon didn't try to talk to Beatrice in the chapel, since (from Shannon's point of view) they were on good terms. It's also odd how the new Battler breaks down and acknowledges Beatrice's power, while the original Battler, who's witnessed more seemingly impossible events than his replacement, still refuses to give in.

[momobunny]

What the heck was up with that random commercial in the gg sub...:twitch:

Anyway it was a pretty exciting episode. I'm surprised Shannon didn't try to talk to Beatrice in the chapel, since (from Shannon's point of view) they were on good terms. It's also odd how the new Battler breaks down and acknowledges Beatrice's power, while the original Battler, who's witnessed more seemingly impossible events than his replacement, still refuses to give in.

They weren't on good terms anymore, in a previous episode Kanon told Shannon about what Beatrice was really doing, and Shannon from then on decided to defy the witch and act as she wanted.

Also, judging from Beato's personality... Shannon probably knew it'd be useless to try and talk to her anyway.

Edit: But yeah... that commercial caught be off guard. ^^;

[Jan-Poo]

Not bad, not bad at all! This episode was very nicely done, still the usual studio Deen standard but it did work nice in the end. I think all the important things were kept. I loved how Gohda acted in this episode, I loved that tender scene between Battler and Maria and I very appreciated that they raised the volume of worldenddominator in that small timeframe were no one was talking. Too bad it was very brief, but I can still appreciate the effort.


Just one thing, I didn't remember at all that they opened the chapel's door from the inside, now I'm confused. What happened to the it is impossible to lock and unlock the door to the chapel without the chapel's key?

I guess Beatrice should have added "from the outside".

[June 1983]

They did exit through the door in the VN. They had come through a broken window, but it was difficult to get through without carefully finding your footing. When they were running away from the butterflies, they didn't have time to find their footing, so they went through the door. Most entry doors can be unlocked from the inside without a key, they just can't be locked up again afterwards.

[Tomoya-kun]

Yay for Worldend Dominator! :D And they did Beelzebub's scene PERFECTLY! By far one of the best episodes in a while.

[Arbane the Terrible]

I liked it.

Unless Kinzo (or Genji) is already dead, I think Beatrice messed up the death-order. The next one (after Kanon and Jessica) should have been "Gouge the head and kill", but Gohda was stabbed in the chest.

Which means one of those two is probably already dead... or have I forgotten someone?

[Akuryou]

You're forgetting Kumasawa and Nanjo.

[FlareKnight]

Well as last time this situation is getting pretty bad. That mirror better be the most powerful thing in the universe or they are pretty much screwed. They are outnumbered and outgunned which is a bad combination.

Must be hard on Meta Battler to see 'himself' falling apart like that. Not the same powerful rejection of magic this time though the situation is different. This one has been all over "oh magic did it" plus Beatrice has made an appearance already so you can confirm that at least someone by that name is around. Even Meta Battler is struggling to keep in this. If it ends like this I'm not sure where the strength to fight another round will come from.

It's great that Rosa trusts herself. Too bad at this point I wonder if anyone else does :uhoh:. Giving that woman a gun just seems like a bad idea to me.

[Leinne]

Well as last time this situation is getting pretty bad. That mirror better be the most powerful thing in the universe or they are pretty much screwed. They are outnumbered and outgunned which is a bad combination.

Must be hard on Meta Battler to see 'himself' falling apart like that. Not the same powerful rejection of magic this time though the situation is different. This one has been all over "oh magic did it" plus Beatrice has made an appearance already so you can confirm that at least someone by that name is around. Even Meta Battler is struggling to keep in this. If it ends like this I'm not sure where the strength to fight another round will come from.

It's great that Rosa trusts herself. Too bad at this point I wonder if anyone else does :uhoh:. Giving that woman a gun just seems like a bad idea to me.

You'll understand why everyone calls her Roas-musou next episode and definetely, some people shoulf have guns (ie. Rosa, Eva, Natsuhi...), giving a gun in Umineko is like saying: I'll killl you all this time

[kiryogi]

All this beeze praise but... I haven't figured it out yet. Who's her seiyuu?

[Volcanic]

All this beeze praise but... I haven't figured it out yet. Who's her seiyuu?

Yuri Yamaoka- she's new and this is her very first role. Great for a first, I must say.

[Christen]

I liked it.

Unless Kinzo (or Genji) is already dead, I think Beatrice messed up the death-order. The next one (after Kanon and Jessica) should have been "Gouge the head and kill", but Gohda was stabbed in the chest.

Which means one of those two is probably already dead... or have I forgotten someone?

I believe they screwed up the animation here. Gohda has been supposed to be stabbed in the belly.

[June 1983]

I believe they screwed up the animation here. Gohda has been supposed to be stabbed in the belly.

Nope, he's stabbed in the chest.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/cobweb_/gohda.png

[gtr06]

one of the better episodes. so far i've only liked the pacing, music and voice acting from 3 out of the 10 episodes.

any pics of Maria's kiss?

[Arbane the Terrible]

You're forgetting Kumasawa and Nanjo.

Should've mentioned them. But they were both cut in the neck, so they didn't fit the epitaph, either.

[June 1983]

Should've mentioned them. But they were both cut in the neck, so they didn't fit the epitaph, either.

The manner of death does not have anything to do with whether or not they fit the epitaph. In the first arc, Kumasawa, Nanjo, and Genji all died from some means other than the stakes, the stakes were just placed in the bodies afterwards (after all, who dies from a stake to the foot or the leg? Not unless it hits a femoral artery or something).

Also, notice that Beatrice said in her letter in this episode that she was borrowing their bodies for the ceremony, and that she would "give them back".

[Shamisen]

I actually liked this episode a lot in terms of pacing. It didn't feel rushed at all. Although that might present problems with the rest of the arc.

And does anyone else think that Meta-Battler sometimes possesses the body of his piece Battler? Sometimes it seems as if piece-Battler knows more than he should. His personality even changes somewhat. He gets more serious and dark.

Like when he stopped Rosa from slapping Maria. You could tell by the way his face was in shadow that it wasn't the same Battler anymore. Or in the last episode, when he was proving Kanon's innocence. It makes a ding sound right before he starts talking. As if he changed.

Also, I notice that Beatrice's cackle isn't taken directly from the VN anymore. Now it's just Ohara raising her voice to do it. She must really love doing her job.

[TheForsaken]

I don't think he changed. Battler is always like that, it's his character.

I think Battler's reactions always depend on emotion more than logical thinking. When he discussed about the "Wolf and Sheep" with Rosa, he quite got along with her; but when Rosa pointed the gun at the servants, he opposed her. So the problem is not Rosa's logic, but her attitude. It's the way Rosa treated the servants like criminals that hurted Battler so much, to the point that he admitted the witch.

Even when he's denying magic, he's also affected a lot by Beatrice's attitude. I think one of main reasons why Battler could hold his stance so far is thanks to Beatrice's non-stop provoking. If she didn't do that, maybe eventually he would have accepted magic.

[plzd0ntkeelme]

Great ep. Beatrice's laugh in this ep is quite annoying. Doesn't sound natural to her normal voice at all. Overall everyone's voice acting is superb, tho'.
It's suspicious that Shanon would know about the mirror that's kept in a locked box inside a drawer. I was waiting for one of the characters to ask where or how she get this information. Not to mention how or where she get all the magical know-hows.

[Sute443]

I liked it.

Unless Kinzo (or Genji) is already dead, I think Beatrice messed up the death-order. The next one (after Kanon and Jessica) should have been "Gouge the head and kill", but Gohda was stabbed in the chest.

Which means one of those two is probably already dead... or have I forgotten someone?

Heck, the ceremony isn't being performed properly at all. It isn't even just the order of the gouged that is off; the killer ignored the Third Twilight entirely. Well, unless that gets shown in the next episode before anymore bodies are found.

R.I.P. Magical Chef Gohda. You were awesome.

[momobunny]

Heck, the ceremony isn't being performed properly at all. It isn't even just the order of the gouged that is off; the killer ignored the Third Twilight entirely. Well, unless that gets shown in the next episode before anymore bodies are found.

R.I.P. Magical Chef Gohda. You were awesome.

There's a Third Twilight? O.o
I thought that was just used for the remaining to "praise her honorable name on high"...

[Sute443]

There's a Third Twilight? O.o
I thought that was just used for the remaining to "praise her honorable name on high"...

Yeah, that's the Third Twilight. It was important enough for there to be a letter about it in the first arc, so it shouldn't be left out if everything really is part of some ritual. Maybe someone could argue that what Piece-Battler and Maria are doing counts, but that doesn't really feel like praising Beatrice's "honorable name on high" to me.

[CELESTRIAL-HARDRAVE]

Just finished watching this episode and im really loving this arc !
No matter how many times i see the goat butlers i still get freaked out. Im looking very forward to seeing how this arc plays out, but judging from peoples comments im hopeing its not rushed and skips alot, cause there are just so so so many unanswered questions, i want moreeeee !!!!

[Alair]

It just occured to me watching this episode but is there any red that would rule out having something that looked like a master key but didn't actually work? If so then you can still red-say "There are five master keys" and "there are no duplicate keys" since you can't really call something a duplicate key if you can't open doors with it and there could still be an unaccounted for master key out there.

Episode wise I really don't have any complaints whatsoever. The pace is a little brisk but the story doesn't suffer for it. The voices of Rosa, Battler, Beatrice, and Maria particularly shined here.

[Isekaijin]

Why the hell nobody suspects the old man? He has just dissapeared. For all we know, he could still be there. The guy is crazy and dangerous. I will believe it was him all along and that he faked his own body in the first arc, until I see his body in this arc.

[Belum_nabum]

I am pretty busy so I would like to illustrate some of views with pictures. In general the music WAS GREAT! The information was nice and it looks like BATTLER FAILED! Unless of course he lied then again I DO NOT believe not a single word of red that is truth of Beatrice simply because she is with Satan.

Maria is still NUTS! :twitch: She has a incredible split personality or simply possessed by Beatrice. :uhoh: That later might be bad if it is the case.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903030554.jpg

The proof is here as another instant within the same momentum she kisses Battler full of love that it may seem.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903030737.jpg

I can't believe that BATTLER ADMITTED THAT HE BELIEVES IN WITCHES! :upset: Unless this is a lie, I am pretty disappointed. I hope he is lying to deceive Beatrice.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903030650.jpg

Find Beatrice pretty crazy here but she already was to begin with. Just find it----->:twitch: with a major goosebump!
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903030808.jpg

They forgot to mention that magic combined has much less of this problem!
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903030847.jpg

VERY NICE RENDERED SCENE artistically!
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903030916.jpg

Music before Godha got killed WAS AMAZING HERE! The goat men seem to be back and I know they are part of Satan. Wonder if the girl talking behind the door was Beatrice or another of the high demons such as Asmodeus?
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Belum_Nabum/snapshot20090903031104.jpg

In the end I hope George will get the mirror out and SEAL BEATRICE! Also I wonder if Battler with Maria will solve the epitaph. :confused: I HOPE SO!
Hope the pics don't bother many as long as subs are out and PM if they might. I do think it makes it quicker for me to illustrate my points!

[jeroz]

Preview for ep11 is out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlXtSRrsE_8

http://i29.tinypic.com/xom9sx.jpg
Not sure what kind of energy field is it, it's either trapping magic from Beatrice or a defensive shield set up by Shannon (Kanon got the sword so hopefully Shannon can have something as awesome as that).
Genji, what are you doing out there?
Battler got out of the "safe zone", looking cool as ever.
Butterfly above Kinzo, he's going to enjoy it very much.

wtf!? Bern wearing a goat head???
and looks like Rosa Musou will be included~ <3

[Christen]

Of course Rosa-Musou will be included. IT MUST BE.

[MeoTwister5]

Turn without Rosa-Badass is like rocky road ice cream without the nuts.

[Skullchukka]

any pics of Maria's kiss?

http://i27.tinypic.com/13ztvso.jpg

[Darkside]

I have high hopes in that Rosa-Musou will be one of the most epic scenes in the animated version.

[Jan-Poo]

Why the hell nobody suspects the old man? He has just dissapeared. For all we know, he could still be there. The guy is crazy and dangerous. I will believe it was him all along and that he faked his own body in the first arc, until I see his body in this arc.

By old man you mean Kinzo? He didn't disappear in this arc. He's still inside his private rooms, supposedly.

Wonder if the girl talking behind the door was Beatrice or another of the high demons such as Asmodeus?


It was Beelzebub, the stake of gluttony.

[risingstar3110]

So........ the appearance of Beato is the reason Battler do not believe in magic? Cause the real Battler did without seeing the witches, golden butterfly and "flying icepicks" sisters (while his meta version still does not)....

I still believe the narrator of Umineko is the trick behind the major mystery. The narrator trick us that we are seeing things from Meta-Battler's POV while we do not....

[Belum_nabum]

http://i27.tinypic.com/13ztvso.jpg
I got that one before you. :p
Seriously though it was cute but at the same time deranging as it was not common of Maria at all considering how she was some moments ago.

By old man you mean Kinzo? He didn't disappear in this arc. He's still inside his private rooms, supposedly.



It was Beelzebub, the stake of gluttony.
I should have had my doubts.....gluttony! RAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEEE! Damn the Satanic family! :frustrated:
Thanks for info

[orion]

Why the switch? Can Beato and Kinzo exist on the same plane? You know like the existence of one contradicts the other.

Or does Beato=Kinzo in some warped way?

I stll find it hard to believe that Kinzo does not possess a master key.

[Belum_nabum]

Why the switch? Can Beato and Kinzo exist on the same plane? You know like the existence of one contradicts the other.

Or does Beato=Kinzo in some warped way?

I stll find it hard to believe that Kinzo does not possess a master key.
I know that Beatrice can take or make a servant shaped like Kinzo as an illusion. The reasoning for this is that Kinzo is supposed to be dead being burnt alive in a furnace in previous episodes.

I just read about the demons, I CURSE AND BANISH BEATRICE! Hope someone can do that in the anime. Too bad I can't go in that anime! I would blast Beatrice with some magic myself! :p

[Usami_Haru]

And what proves that the same thing always happens in all Episodes ^.~??

[MeoTwister5]

You're all treading dangerous spoiler ground here you know.:eyespin:

[Belum_nabum]

And what proves that the same thing always happens in all Episodes ^.~??
Proof might be only illusions in this case and magic. Logic cannot explain the cycle other than the self interest of Beatrice to win something out of it. Among many things I suppose is that quench the thirst of her servitors such as the 7 vices like Satan and those goat butlers or to have pleasure in savoring the pain of the victims such as her TWILIGHT planings of killing off 11 people, which I might think that Battler and Maria will be the last ones left.

Furthermore I HOPE A LOT that maybe another witch will screw over this Beatrice. As you can see from my pics BEATRICE HAS A PRETTY NASTY FACE!

[Evy]

I can't wait to see you guys' reactions at the following episodes. :heh:

[Usami_Haru]

I agree they will probably be funny, my reactons where that when I played the novel.

[Arbane the Terrible]

I still believe the narrator of Umineko is the trick behind the major mystery. The narrator trick us that we are seeing things from Meta-Battler's POV while we do not....

From comments Meta-Battler has made, I'm pretty sure he's not seeing everything we're seeing (otherwise, he'd be having a MUCH harder time denying Beatrice's magic). Which raises the obvious question, are we seeing everything he sees...?

[vandakiara]

oh I believe he sees everything we're seeing, just that he's really stubborn :heh:

[Fernando Hernandez]

I DO NOT believe not a single word of red that is truth of Beatrice simply because she is with Satan.

The goat men seem to be back and I know they are part of Satan.

I'm a little confused here. By Satan, do you mean the typical name used to refer to the devil himself? Because Satan is just one of the seven stakes, and she's not the ringleader. She's one of Beatrice's furniture, besides that, but you're implying that Beatrice is some kind of servant of Satan (as in, the devil). As far as I know there is no being as the devil in the Umineko universe; Satan just refers to one of the stakes, and Beatrice and the other witches aren't really affiliated with the devil. They're just beings that exist on some alternate plane, and many of them such as Beatrice get their kicks by having some twisted fun. But she's not some sort of servant of the devil, if that's what you're implying...sorry, it's just confusing when you refer to 'Satan' because it's not like the Umineko character Satan has a more prominent role than the other stake sisters or anything like that.

I know that Beatrice can take or make a servant shaped like Kinzo as an illusion. The reasoning for this is that Kinzo is supposed to be dead being burnt alive in a furnace in previous episodes.
That was in the first arc. Remember that after episode 5, when episode 6 rolled around, everyone was alive again and the conference was on October 4th before anything happened? This is a new 'game board' for Battler and Beato. Everything that happened in the first arc has no sway over what happens (or at least what Beato shows us is happening) in this arc. Kinzo is still supposedly locked in his study, and I believe he was seen in the previous episode. Put aside everything that happened in the first arc and try to look at this one from Battler's perspective, as a 'what if' situation - this is an alternative to what happened during those two days, and he's watching it with knowledge of the first arc in his head. You can't solve the mystery if you ignore the details of the first arc, of course, but such things as who should be dead or how they died based on episode 1 don't apply here. This is a new 'game' now.

[Belum_nabum]

That was in the first arc. Remember that after episode 5, when episode 6 rolled around, everyone was alive again and the conference was on October 4th before anything happened? This is a new 'game board' for Battler and Beato. Everything that happened in the first arc has no sway over what happens (or at least what Beato shows us is happening) in this arc. Kinzo is still supposedly locked in his study, and I believe he was seen in the previous episode. Put aside everything that happened in the first arc and try to look at this one from Battler's perspective, as a 'what if' situation - this is an alternative to what happened during those two days, and he's watching it with knowledge of the first arc in his head. You can't solve the mystery if you ignore the details of the first arc, of course, but such things as who should be dead or how they died based on episode 1 don't apply here. This is a new 'game' now.
I know the board restarted but you do know it is because Beatrice can manipulate time itself. Yes, I am starting to see the CHAOS of the first arc and the second one being a total MINDFUCK COCKTAIL brewing in my mind right now. Mind games, however will be figured out by me eventually.


I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT FROM THE TOP OF MY LUNGS! Dear Sir.

[Klarth]

All I can think of is the old detective conan episode where he reconstructs a closed-room murder.
Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZjek7SZsRQ

[y0shi]

I just dont get this key thing.

Who had a key to the room where kanon died the first time? (the epic goat battle xD)
The 4 Servants and the Master Key? And which one is the one that they got from one of the adults who were killed in this "church"?(no good with names and english expressions, I'm sorry xD)
Because if they could have gotten that one so easily, couldnt the killer have used the same one? Or does the key just work for the room where they were trying to get the mirror?

I'm confused xD

There are a few strange things though. When Shannon speaks about how they defeated that zombie kanon shes talking about how she just guessed that spider webs would defeat him (in just tried it kinda way) but IMO she knew exactly what she was doing, she was going for this spider web without a second thought and she seemed to knew for sure that it would work.

The servant (I CANT remember the names >_<") who wanted to be left alone is also kinda suspicious, sure the scene where he slammes the knife into the butterfly is supposed to make us think that he wanted the others to be gone so he could fight beatrice, but if there IS no beatrice than he managed to be left alone for a pretty stupid reason without anyone having doubts.


And Marias behaviour is just odd. Just a random idea but she seems to know something more, shes always trying to push everyone in the beatrice / epitaph direction and the moment battler accepts this shes totally changed and supports him. And the way she acts while supporting him just seems odd, maybe I'm seeing things but she acts like an adult or something who is cheering up a kid. Is she just a scizophrenic kid which wants to believe in witches or is there more? On the one hand side shes always talking about beatrice and that they cant escape her, but what if she just does this so the other ones stop denying beatrice and start to think about the riddle on the epitaph? (Is it possible I'm just writing down the ovious here xD?)

Actually the idea I had, through its probably stupid is that she might be some kind of which herself? Maybe shes the new rika xD. So she knows about beatrice and whats going on but she cant tell the other ones and tries to push them in the right direction?


~~~


I guess I'm just writing down a bunch of crap right now ^^"

[Knight_SV]

meta-battler is battler from the first twilight isn't it???

[June 1983]

I just dont get this key thing.

Who had a key to the room where kanon died the first time? (the epic goat battle xD)
The 4 Servants and the Master Key? And which one is the one that they got from one of the adults who were killed in this "church"?(no good with names and english expressions, I'm sorry xD)
Because if they could have gotten that one so easily, couldnt the killer have used the same one? Or does the key just work for the room where they were trying to get the mirror?

Okay, this is how I understand it (one of the more experienced players, feel free to correct me if I goof up).

In the second arc, Beatrice confirms there are FIVE master keys -- which I believe open all of the doors EXCEPT 1) Kinzo's room and 2) the chapel, and possibly some other grounds buildings -- currently on the island. Each one is carried by one of the servants. In the room where Kanon and Jessica were killed, they found Kanon's master key in Jessica's pocket, because he gave it to her when she wanted to go into the guest room to find Beatrice. They also found Jessica private key to her bedroom on the table.

Shannon, George, and Gohda went to the chapel to get Natsuhi's private key for her bedroom from her corpse, because Rosa had collected all five of the master keys from the servants. That key only opens Natsuhi's room.

[y0shi]

Ok thx xD
And which key can open the chappel?

[June 1983]

Ok thx xD
And which key can open the chappel?

That's the key which Beatrice allegedly gave to Maria in an envelope -- the one the whereabouts of which during the first twilight is the central mystery of the chapel closed murder.

[DeadlySoldier37]

Just watched the episode and it was great. I certainly didn't expect Battler to break down like that, I was shocked when that happened. I have to say the best part of the episode was the end, when Gohda was shitting his pants, I though that was entertaining. Really looking forward to next episode and see how things will develop.

[Ithekro]

Interesting...there is one things about all these "closed rooms". Are the doors actually locked?

[Arbane the Terrible]

meta-battler is battler from the first twilight isn't it???

Right. The one person who died who didn't believe in Beatrice.

[Marion]

Interesting...there is one things about all these "closed rooms". Are the doors actually locked?
It's stated in red that the doors are locked and it's clearly viewed when someone is locking or unlocking a door before they go into it.

[Alair]

And Marias behaviour is just odd. Just a random idea but she seems to know something more, shes always trying to push everyone in the beatrice / epitaph direction and the moment battler accepts this shes totally changed and supports him. And the way she acts while supporting him just seems odd, maybe I'm seeing things but she acts like an adult or something who is cheering up a kid. Is she just a scizophrenic kid which wants to believe in witches or is there more? On the one hand side shes always talking about beatrice and that they cant escape her, but what if she just does this so the other ones stop denying beatrice and start to think about the riddle on the epitaph? (Is it possible I'm just writing down the ovious here xD?)

Actually the idea I had, through its probably stupid is that she might be some kind of which herself? Maybe shes the new rika xD. So she knows about beatrice and whats going on but she cant tell the other ones and tries to push them in the right direction?

She'll tell anyone who'll give her an excuse and stand still long enough for her to start regaling them about witches.

[Vega Lyra]

I enjoyed this episode, especially Gohda's fit. :)

[~Diru~]

The servant (I CANT remember the names >_<") who wanted to be left alone is also kinda suspicious, sure the scene where he slammes the knife into the butterfly is supposed to make us think that he wanted the others to be gone so he could fight beatrice, but if there IS no beatrice than he managed to be left alone for a pretty stupid reason without anyone having doubts.


His name is Genji ;)

IIRC in the VN, the butterfly wanted to follow the three, so Genji took him out it wasn't really that he wanted to fight Beatrice.
Also, the other Servants know that he dedicated his life to the Ushiromíya-Family
and even if he isn't trusted anymore wants to stay ready for an order. (Furniture exists to be of service to its master or sth like this) :)

[orion]

All I can think of is the old detective conan episode where he reconstructs a closed-room murder.
Here's a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZjek7SZsRQ

Detective Conan to the rescue! :heh:

[Serpit]

I find it funny that this time, apparently no one noticed the little animation errors in the episode, while people were previously LOLing at quality animation at every opportunity. Well, maybe I just look at their clothes too much, but I noticed two things.

1:50-1:53 --- The strap of Genji's bow tie is missing.
2:18-2:26 --- Same as above.

7:37-7:43 --- Gohda's hanky is folded in a two-point shape, as oppoed to his regular one-point style.

[June 1983]

7:37-7:43 --- Gohda's hanky is folded in a two-point shape, as oppoed to his regular one-point style.

Maybe he had used to his hanky to mop up his manly tears and folded it wrong afterwards. :p

[Tjaard]

Really liked the pacing this time, slow but perfect; i'm only worried for the next epi now lol
Ohara's voice is amazing as always, and the voice for Beelzebub was really awesome ;)
Liked Maria this time, probably cause her expressions were more normal than the other times and yeah, Gohda was so amazing :D

[Ssol]

Maybe he had used to his hanky to mop up his manly tears and folded it wrong afterwards. :p

Magical Gohda chef doesn't cry he was obviously cooking with onions. If he was at least it wasn't as awkward as Shannon's corpse's tears from arc 1. :heh:

[Travisaw]

when I was watching this ep, I actually had ways to break the closed room cases,
but when she started using the (irritating) Red Truth, my reaction was exactly like Battler's.
"What the hell?! Again?!"
and
"It's no use!"

one question...
does the mental state of Meta-Battler affects the mental state of Battler? Because Battler suddenly broke down so easily and I couldn't believe it...
if it does, then it makes more sense to me. =]

~Travis

[Avisch]

one question...
does the mental state of Meta-Battler affects the mental state of Battler? Because Battler suddenly broke down so easily and I couldn't believe it...
if it does, then it makes more sense to me. =]

~Travis

No it doesn't work like that. But since they have the same mindset/feelings/etc , they both brake down the same way.

Thus: Cause neither of them can find a way to disprove the witch (whilst keeping someone innocent), they both become sad at this realization.

[orion]

With all that money at stake, relatives are usually the prime suspects imo. Nothing to be sad about. Just catch the killer before your time is up. :heh:

[Travisaw]

No it doesn't work like that. But since they have the same mindset/feelings/etc , they both brake down the same way.

Thus: Cause neither of them can find a way to disprove the witch (whilst keeping someone innocent), they both become sad at this realization.

I see.
Thanks for your reply ^^


~Travis

[Change of Pace]

While I understand the skimming, so many elements from the VN are being needlessly downplayed. For example, one scene I thought was very sidelined was George and the servants before they go on the mirror hunt expedition - in the VN, George's leadership as he overtakes Rosa's position as master, at least amongst the servants, is very much emphasized, and the commandeering persona he embodies at this point is very powerful. In this episode, this really became a mute point - it merely seemed like he suggested a good idea that was obeyed. It's these types of details that severely cut down characterization. :/ Also. the removal of You are incompetent and 'my close friends call me Beato', along with a severe lack of Meta-world banter is endlessly disappointing. But, on the other hand, I'm still enjoying the animu adaption, because the scenes that are covered can be so much more inclusive than the VN. The chapel scene in particular - Beato appearing as a hovering chaser were just how I'd pictured it. Looking forward to the next installment!

[JackSparrowRon]

Ok, so they ended with Beato barging in Natsuhi's room. I question this choice as they could simply do that at the chapel, but well (super momentum break). But on the other hand, there is a LOT to cover for the last Ep2 episode.
Worldenddominator was used, but only when Gohda saw the goats.

Meanwhile, Beelzebub had a super high pitched voice, but it is still acceptable, (while I still can't help but think Asmo breathed toncrap of helium).
Gohda's VA was very good for the panicked performances, though the expressions and animations didn't follow that quite well.
Rosa was even more loathable than I first thought in the VN :heh:

I have no idea if it was my raw or something, but it seems they skipped the "There is no one hiding!" with Battler's despair galore. Actually, Battler has shown emotions here, but the lead up was a bit too brutal I think.

With whatever you've just said... in my opinion, I don't think there's enough to compensate for the lack of information we've received for Episode 2 so far (at least, "in my opinion"), but hey, it's only the 2nd episode, ain't it?

Of course, if the servants are going to be vague about what they're trying to say, I don't feel that this could be going any further. Can't blame them for not being able to describe it too. *muses* Gohda was great, though. :D

As evil and assed as Beatrice's dialogue is, there really is no reason to hate her, since she IS the one we're trying to follow here. =P Still, I'm having doubts about the "red" she tells Battler... maybe the anime's getting to my head... :eyespin:

Ohh, and surely, I'll be looking forward to another one of your analysis. =D

[-Sho-]

Just watch this episode .

Well , Beatrice always insane ^^
One furniture owned . He feared a lot .
So , Battler mi-admit the magic . Lol , he was crying omg why ..

Maria was cute when Rosa ask her to give her bag :)

[TubZzz]

i'm really enjoying this

nice ep/s

[Kaioshin Sama]

Has anyone noticed that whenever you see a shot of somebody putting a key in a door that the angle is all wrong and it just looks like the key is facing through the lock rather than fitting into it? Even when they are turning the key it seems to be turning faster than the lock itself. I guess that's what they call QUALITY animation.

[Jan-Poo]

I guess so as well. I hope no one is going to make a theory out of it XD

[Ithekro]

There is always a theory....