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There's still hope for Alicia, but she's not going to have much left of her already shallow consciousness regardless of what happens.
By "There's still hope for Alicia" I take it you mean that there is a chance she's either fully reverted back to human form and/or now a partially awakened being. Not a fully awakened being. Though she'll still have no really personality/consciousness.
If true, and Riful doesn't "get" her, I wonder how skilled she is a with a Claymore since all of her training seems to be with awakening... Her odds of beating/holding off HellCat Beth are slim without swordsmanship.
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Oh, does everyone like my Halloween costume? :heh:
Just returned from a trip after 3 days. Surprised to see that not much had gone on. And about Raki, I think that he is quite formidable now because he also would have beaten up two or three of those Hellcat's.:)
Shiek927
2009-10-23, 00:16
Just returned from a trip after 3 days. Surprised to see that not much had gone on. And about Raki, I think that he is quite formidable now because he also would have beaten up two or three of those Hellcat's.:)
Well, it IS close to the end of the month after all, not much goes on around this time :)
Just returned from a trip after 3 days. Surprised to see that not much had gone on. And about Raki, I think that he is quite formidable now because he also would have beaten up two or three of those Hellcat's.:)
:uhoh:
Are you saying Raki has already killed two or three Hellcats? :confused:
Sorry but you lost me at "he also would have beaten up"...
Well, it IS close to the end of the month after all, not much goes on around this time :)
Yea, wait till the next chapter is released, and then we will see just how fast this thread becomes.:)
Yea, wait till the next chapter is released, and then we will see just how fast this thread becomes.:)
You think well need to wait that long for it to pick up... :heh:
People will start returning well before the month is out. Not quite in droves but in large numbers.
:uhoh:
Are you saying Raki has already killed two or three Hellcats? :confused:
Sorry but you lost me at "he also would have beaten up"...
I'm thinking, not so sure about it myself. I mean Priscilla would have done the majority of the work I sure. But I don't think she took out all of them. I think Raki would have lend her a hand and disposed of maybe a couple of those Cats, would explain why he got infected.:)
Shiek927
2009-10-23, 11:11
I'm thinking, not so sure about it myself. I mean Priscilla would have done the majority of the work I sure. But I don't think she took out all of them. I think Raki would have lend her a hand and disposed of maybe a couple of those Cats, would explain why he got infected.:)
No way, three of the Ghosts(including Claire) have trouble just killing one. Raki helped out I'm sure, but I can't believe he actually managed to beat one. Priscilla probably did 95% of the damage :heh:.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 11:17
2 weeks..... until we hopefully-should find some of these mysteries or cliff-hangers out....
my body is shaking with excitement and anticipation as if it was ophelia's sword arm !!!
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lol, just thought of something funny....
never let ophelia hold a baby, the whip-lash from her rippling arm movements it receives would be fatal !
2 weeks..... until we hopefully-should find some of these mysteries or cliff-hangers out....
Well, if we're lucky, spoilers could come out in a week.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 11:29
true... forgot that... though some one will have to translate them for me hehe. (so i'll have to wait a little longer... GRR)
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also, what exactly is gonna be the role of the humans or what can they even do, against the Organization ??
(miria is negotiating with the humans in rabona, about what to do against the Organization)
anyone got any ideas ?? (i can't think of anything really)
true... forgot that... though some one will have to translate them for me hehe. (so i'll have to wait a little longer... GRR)
What you don't like seeing bablefish telling you Noodles must protect the the one with the man pregnancy, while Rabbit beats up cats and Dorthy bites the big one saving chicken little. :eyespin:
also, what exactly is gonna be the role of the humans or what can they even do, against the Organization ??
(miria is negotiating with the humans in rabona, about what to do against the Organization)
anyone got any ideas ?? (i can't think of anything really)
A) Humans with a plan can kill an Awakened Being, they almost killed Agatha but targeted the wrong spot
B) Claymore can't kill them even in Self-defense, so The claymores would be next to useless against an army
C) The church could fund an expedition to find the location of the mainland and bring back real proof of the war.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 12:58
the only problems with (B.) :
the Organization does have yomas.... whom certainly don't have any rule about not killing humans.
Also, we don't know just how many abyss feeders (how many awakened ones that the claymores killed. killed awakened one=created abyss feeder) the organization has
not all claymores obey the rule (and if it is only the rule-execution that prevents some of the claymores from killing humans obviously the organization isn't gonna have a rule about not killing humans when humans are attacking them)... the oganization might have some "ophelia" type claymores
Shiek927
2009-10-23, 13:04
not all claymores obey the rule (and if it is only the rule-execution that prevents some of the claymores from killing humans obviously the organization isn't gonna have a rule about not killing humans when humans are attacking them)... the oganization might have some "ophelia" type claymores
Might? most of them do.
As far as we can tell, their really aren't any warriors in the new generation that doesn't act spoiled. I wouldn't call them "Ophelia", just haughty and arrogant.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 13:06
true, though we really don't know that much about the new claymores. they may not care about humans safety or well being, and the organization may no longer be trying to pretend that they are "for the people" as they kinda have been showing recently that they aren't... not sure how much longer humans will believe them anyways. heck the Organization, may even know that miria is plotting with the humans in rabona against the organization, with their seemingly all-knowing network of intel.
the only problems with (B.) :
the Organization does have yomas.... whom certainly don't have any rule about not killing humans.
Also, we don't know just how many abyss feeders (how many awakened ones that the claymores killed. killed awakened one=created abyss feeder) the organization has
not all claymores obey the rule (and if it is only the rule-execution that prevents some of the claymores from killing humans obviously the organization isn't gonna have a rule about not killing humans when humans are attacking them)... the oganization might have some "ophelia" type claymores
First off the ghosts can counter the yoma's... second if they use yoma then the Claymore will like rebel because none of them know the org creates them. It would be the final straw for most of them.
I believe the stock of AFs has been spent on Riful (and Isley). That attack on Riful seemed to have a never ending number of AFs.
Finally your right all the claymores might not be so noble... but they'd be totally out classed and over powered by the ghosts. Unless they have one stronger then Audrey...
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 13:15
i do agree that the Organization seems to be in deep trouble... however, they don't seem to show it (be afraid or worried) .....
i'm not sure if that's all the abyss feeders they have.....
and you're certainly right though, if the Organization reveals that they have (and been creating) yomas and if they use the abyss feeders, than the "good" claymores will certainly stop being on the Organization's side.
and you're right that their (known) claymores are weak compaired to the ghosts
also, the Organization could mass "claymorize", too. kidnap a bunch of humans, males or females, and turn them into claymores...
than, we got the well mentioned raki possibility for the Organization.
the Organization, can-could be getting reinforcements from the continent, or simply leave themselves to the continent (since this is just a lab anyways for them, and they kinda got what they've been after or trying to create anyways)
and lastly, we got the Organization MiBs themselves.... who knows what secrets-powers they possess...
irvinethearcher
2009-10-23, 15:39
If they for example use chain-mails and armors forged from claymore minerals it should be extremely difficult to wipe out such hybrid warriros for our heroes.
lol, just thought of something funny....
never let ophelia hold a baby, the whip-lash from her rippling arm movements it receives would be fatal !
I bet Ophelia gives the best handjob (I'm such a pig :D)
MisterJB
2009-10-23, 16:38
I bet Ophelia gives the best handjob (I'm such a pig :D)
Pfffft, Clare can move her arm at 300 km/h. It doesn't get any better than that.
Friction would be a problem, tough.
Shiek927
2009-10-23, 17:11
Pfffft, Clare can move her arm at 300 km/h. It doesn't get any better than that
I think you're both forgetting Miria....
MisterJB
2009-10-23, 17:12
I think you're both forgetting Miria....
Me? Forgetting Miria?:rolleyes:
Pfffft, Clare can move her arm at 300 km/h. It doesn't get any better than that
Imagine the effects, ever heard about kinetic friction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction)? :uhoh:
MisterJB
2009-10-23, 17:16
Imagine the effects, ever heard about kinetic friction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction)? :uhoh:
Lol:heh: I have to admit that I did forget about that. Good thinking.
At any rate, I was merely stating differents uses for the Quicksword.
I think you're both forgetting Miria....
Me? Forgetting Miria? Ohh thats absurd! *speaks with a British accent and slaps Shieky :heh:
I wouldn't let Clare touch it @JB. She's very unstable and could rip it off :upset::heh:
At any rate, I was merely stating differents uses for the Quicksword.
Employee of the year in McDonald, BurgerKing etc. No one could chop hamburgers and vegetables faster than her:D
I wouldn't let Clare touch it @JB. She's very unstable and could rip it off :heh:
I've just imagined Riful tentacles and a few of ways she could use them... I'm not sure if I should admire Dauf or pity him :heh:
MisterJB
2009-10-23, 17:36
I've just imagined Riful tentacles and a few of ways she could use them... I'm not sure if I should admire Dauf or pity him :heh:
I pity him, Then again, he deserves it.
Riful's tentacles can be used to bind, squeeze, whip, stab and cut at the same time. She has a complete BDSM kit for a body.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 17:38
a more tame use of clare's quicksword:
lumberjack (in fact, we see in the manga and anime irene doing it, cutting trees with her quick-flash sword)
Oh my, this thread sure has gotten a lot manly, with our manly talk about manly stuff :heh:
What will the girllys think :heh:
:joke:
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 18:41
quick question, i'd like to pose to you guys/girls about something related to work on my map project:
which land(s), north east west south central, do you think teresa and clare are in ?
(my own guess is the east, but unfortunately there's really nothing to know where they are at. this is why i'm doing this "poll")
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also, i'm kinda stuck with the map project.
so if any of you know anything or got any ideas of where stuff is, please let me know! i can use any and all the help i can get.
i can really use some other people's thoughts on where stuff goes or happened on the island.
you can post any responses on my public profile or my social group called Claymore Fanclub
Shiek927
2009-10-23, 19:18
Oh my, this thread sure has gotten a lot manly, with our manly talk about manly stuff :heh:
What will the girllys think :heh:
:joke:
It's been like this before, this is nothing :heh:
which land(s), north east west south central, do you think teresa and clare are in ?
I'm confused, are you talking about the statue? or places they were in? be more specific
If you're talking about the statue, their are probably all over, but the one we saw predominately was in the West.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-23, 19:29
clare and teresa in the flesh, back in the past when little human clare was with teresa, and also just teresa, before she met clare.
what land(s) were they in ?
i need some other people's input-thoughts-ideas-guesses !!!
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i decided to put up a new west map in my public profile and on my social club called Claymore Fanclub.
it isn't very accurate, but at least it gives you guys/girls some idea of the general locations to each other.
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the statue of the twin goddess of love is in HANEL (a very big town) in the west lands near the forest where riful's castle is, which is where the destroyer awakened-emerged and everyone is now at.
irvinethearcher
2009-10-24, 16:47
There is only one humble idea i have:
Because the number ones are according to cynthia always stationed near rabona in the center of the island theresa must have been around the center doing some boring jobs.
It is a damn hard job to make this map. Why do i remember to have seen a map in which irene's hideout was shown?
Perhaps you have seen this too?
http://n1ghtdrag0n.deviantart.com/art/Claymore-World-Alpha-v-05-75616654?offset=10
I hope i do not violate something with this link? Hege, you should import this pic into your fanclub;)
MisterJB
2009-10-24, 17:14
It is a damn hard job to make this map. Why do i remember to have seen a map in which irene's hideout was shown?
You mean this one
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg
It's official art and it came along with the DS game, I believe.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-24, 17:15
it is probably one of the data-stat pages. and not within the manga itself. there's only two views of the same map (drawn in the ground) by cynthia in the manga.
thanks for that contribution (irvine), unfortunately it's not something i didn't know about, sighs
it makes sense though....
for example, if teresa was sent out to kill isley, than riful and luciela would come and destroy the defenseless Organization.
the 4 powers (isley-north, riful-west, luciela-south, and east-Organization) were in a stalemate for a long long time. no one could have moved.
but than isley got a "gift from the gods", a naive priscilla, and with her help-alliance, isley now had an advantage in power and began planning his war campaign.....
than isley's war compaign set things into motion..... as we well know...
sadly, the Organization benefited or took advantage of isley's war campaign the most.....
until Rubel's Destroyer made its grand...err i should say... destructive entrance onto the scene... lol
irvinethearcher
2009-10-24, 18:22
You mean this one
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg
It's official art and it came along with the DS game, I believe.
I think it is quite something. Now you(@hege) can estimate where gonahl is because clare explained in which directions she fled with raki hanging onto her.
I think this card is the best shot you get until now. I would take this map as a skeleton and expand it.
By the way...
I really would now where godahl plateau lies and where rosemary watched her final sunset ;)
HegemonKhan
2009-10-24, 18:55
unfortunately, as far as i know, the manga doesn't give any info-clues to where anywhere "ADULT" ("grown-up" or active-official claymore) teresa (inlcuding her battle with Rosemary on the Godahl plateau) was.
* i'm worried about whether that Godahl (plateau) and gonal / gonahl (village) are the same place-area or not. are these two different Go_ahl places-areas or is this just inconsistant translations and they are the same place-area... ???
*heck if they are..... this means that irene's little cottage could possibly be right on top of where teresa put rosemary's corpse as part of "cleaning up" as Orsay put it
the ONLY possible clue is this:
the village-town where irene, sophia, noel, and priscilla attack teresa is a village that:
teresa to clare (upon approaching the village-town, BEFORE the battle within the village-town) :
"This is a village-town that i visited long ago."
as a trainee, teresa frequently ran away to the nearest unnamed village-town near Staff (the Org's headquarters). this is the home town-village of alicia and beth (born to the Zemas parents), which exiled-banished rafaela visited nearly the same time that the Organization took babies, alicia and beth, away. rafaela would also encounter trainee run-away teresa in the forest between this unnamed village-town and Staff, and pat trainee teresa on her head before a MiB (has a scar above his left eye) took her back to Staff.
it IS suggestive that these two villages-towns are the same village-town.
so that means teresa and clare have probably been in the eastern lands.
and this is my guess as well:
the flashback with teresa and clare or teresa and rosemary, must be all (or mostly or some) in the eastern lands.
I didn't see that map before, it really explains a lot now doesn't it.:)
Galatea33
2009-10-25, 06:20
well....
there's only three responses :
the three F's :
1. FIGHT (struggle-persistence). males generally respond this way. for example, in a bad relationship, the male will try to fight-struggle to make it better ("fix it") and stay together.
2. FLEE (run away). females generally respond this way. for example, in a bad relationship, the female will end the relationship (wanting to get away from it instead of trying to make it better by fight-struggle to "fix it") or divorce (if married).
3. FREEZE (too scared to do anything). both males and females can find themselves responding this way. it is gender neutral.
:twitch: How is hypnotizing someone to bend them to your will not a response? It most certainly doesn't need to fall into your response #1, and obviously doesn't apply to #2 or #3. :p
http://tranceformationhypnosis.com/images/hypnotic_pattern.gif
Just look into the center, and admit that Gangsta is right.
:mad: And now where is my prize promised me.
Lemme aid you on this Gangsta :rolleyes:,
Hedgie means the 'F-fffs' pair correlation of:
Fight - brute service :heh:
Flee - shy kitty manipulation :heh:
Freeze - climax attack on the wrong side :heh:
and Flangst :heh::heh::heh:
Yep, the last action would very much be flangst ;), if you really dun now what that means Hedgie. go look up some lame slang dictionary and put all the pieces together with first three :p :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-25, 11:18
Lemme aid you on this Gangsta :rolleyes:,
Hedgie means the 'F-fffs' pair correlation of:
Fight - brute service :heh:
Flee - shy kitty manipulation :heh:
Freeze - climax attack on the wrong side :heh:
and Flangst :heh::heh::heh:
Yep, the last action would very much be flangst ;), if you really dun now what that means Hedgie. go look up some lame slang dictionary and put all the pieces together with first three :p :heh:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/GothamZGC/Hypnotic.gif
You Will Not Argue With Tha Spanksta Wanksta
You Will Not Ever Mention Again Any Combination Of Fluff And Angst
I wonder if Galatea would be able to manipulate one of those kitties.:)
Galatea33
2009-10-25, 13:44
I wonder if Galatea would be able to manipulate one of those kitties.:)
:rolleyes: seriously Ryuken :heh:
She'd rather have them as servants :heh:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/GothamZGC/Hypnotic.gif
You Will Not Argue With Tha Spanksta Wanksta
You Will Not Ever Mention Again Any Combination Of Fluff And Angst
:eyebrow: hmmh? is this supposed to be the candies you promised me Beforehand? :eyebrow: I wonder if it taste any good :uhoh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-25, 13:57
the promise of candies is only a lure used by kidnappers :D
the promise of candies is only a lure used by kidnappers :D
Correction, it was the lure Maggie used on C. Montgomery Burns who was always going on about how it was "like taking candy from a baby". Naturally she accidentally shot him and caused Homer to fall under investigation for assault with a firearm. :p
HegemonKhan
2009-10-25, 17:32
taking candy from a baby, actually ain't easy. in fact, it's near impossible. babies sure got one powerful grip, especially when it's something they want, like a candy.....
MisterJB
2009-10-25, 17:36
taking candy from a baby, actually ain't easy. in fact, it's near impossible. babies sure got one powerful grip, especially when it's something they want, like a candy.....
Punch them in the face and they'll let go of the candy. Believe me.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-25, 17:38
i'll leave that to you... i'd rather not go to jail....
though just thought of tickling... that could work... much more non-violent
just SHOW them a BIGGER candy and they'll throw it (well not to you but you can lateron pick it up somwhere around the room:D) problem is that once you eat BOTh candies you're in for traumatized ears ^^
anyhow as for that godahl gonahl thing... might be its the same village and the name slightly changed over time? though that would mean yagi thought of that, and I don't see the purpose behind it yet - on the other hand if there is no significance to it it IS kinda odd why the names are so simmilar, one would think that such simmilarities are something authors or mangakas refrain from doing if there's no purpose behind it - cause what good would it be to bamboozle your readers with that for nothin? :D
HegemonKhan
2009-10-25, 17:57
lol.... that what is done for a dog i know.... (give them something better, like food, to drop a human toy he wasn't suppose to get) ..... though i can see how it can also work for a baby, lol.
ya the names are kinda annoying... i don't know if it is a mistranslated or alternate translations, if they are the same place and the name has changed over time (within the manga), or if it is just coincidence (and missed by norihiro) and they aren't the same place...
there's also some geographic areas that are similar too, makes me wonder if it is just coincidence or if they are the same...
very frustrating... for me.....
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about the game map that people have posted:
i've looked at it a little bit and it is a bit inaccurate compared to the manga's content
1. shows rabona slightly off to the left of the very center of the island.
the manga says rabona is right smack in the middle of the island.
2. irene's mountain valley can't be here.
it just doesn't match up very well with the manga. too much to explain here though.
3. it has the volcano area
this is as of yet, NOT in the manga. (anime yes, but NOT the manga)
Well if you ask me, I'll be happy if the manga never goes "volcano" - with all that entails ^^
As for the map - you might consider having to live with some inconsistencies, it's always possible some of the smaller ones are results of an oversight on yagi's part her or there - despite the fact that the manga as a whole seems thought out to a considerbale extent - these things just tend to crop in here and there... mistranslation would be the easiest explanation for gonhal godahl though :D
HegemonKhan
2009-10-25, 18:28
well, i'm hoping that i can eventually construct a map of claymore manga, which is why i'm trying to do so, hence my map project. i'm just a bit stuck right now... but working on it.. here and there.
but my point is that this game map people have been posting isn't quite right, though it still is a nice visual.
for me, my purpose is an accurate map of the manga as is possible.
and some things of this game map, just doesn't match up.
though, the dark patches on it (i presume these are the forests) are generally in the right spots.
i'm still trying to examine and compare this game map with the manga content.
MisterJB
2009-10-25, 18:39
I know that there is one very recent mape that not only shows the Continent, but it also shows the current position of every character. Now, where the hell is that thing?
HegemonKhan
2009-10-25, 18:58
if some one finds it, please let me know. i forgot to save it the first time i looked at it and can't remember where i found it ... GRR
Shiek927
2009-10-25, 20:03
I know that there is one very recent mape that not only shows the Continent, but it also shows the current position of every character. Now, where the hell is that thing?
What it is, is inaccurate.
Aside from the glaring mistake of showing both of Helen's eyes, Raki/Priscilla and Alicia/Beth's locations are ridiculous.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-25, 20:16
What it is, is inaccurate.
Aside from the glaring mistake of showing both of Helen's eyes, Raki/Priscilla and Alicia/Beth's locations are ridiculous.
It's not inaccurate; you just don't understand that map. It is not a map of locations in the current time frame; it is a map of important locations in various time frames. It shows Riful's current base and the city where Isley died in for example. As for Helen's eyes, given that it is not a map of any one time frame, that might not be a mistake.
Shiek927
2009-10-25, 20:26
It's not inaccurate; you just don't understand that map. It is not a map of locations in the current time frame; it is a map of important locations in various time frames. It shows Riful's current base and the city where Isley died in for example.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
It's a map of important locations........
Isn't a little coincidental that the map of important locations just happens to be where the characters were at, at the time? not to mention, before Helen and Deneve went to that southern town, it wasn't important at all, yet warrented a spot on the map when they got there?
As for Helen's eyes, given that it is not a map of any one time frame, that might not be a mistake.
Once again, her eye was ruined when she was at the town, creating it's importance and she was there when the map was made.
Why they would make a map though of where they just happen to be at the time, and not include that, I have no idea. It was a goof, plain and simple.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-25, 20:32
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
It's a map of important locations........
Isn't a little coincidental that the map of important locations just happens to be where the characters were at, at the time? not to mention, before Helen and Deneve went to that southern town, it wasn't important at all, yet warrented a spot on the map when they got there?
its not a map of where Helen and Deneve are at in the chapter it came out, because, since they are on the move, who cares? What people want to know is they city that Isley died in is at, so that is what that map shoes.
Once again, her eye was ruined when she was at the town, creating it's importance and she was there when the map was made.
Why they would make a map though of where they just happen to be at the time, and not include that, I have no idea. It was a goof, plain and simple.
your thinking is too linear. :P Helen was at that location BEFORE she lost her eye. In fact, it would make sense to give the starting representation of each group of characters, before each particular scene took place. There is nothing wrong with that. The maps are not inaccurate, unless you look at them in the wrong way.
Shiek927
2009-10-25, 20:36
your thinking is too linear. :P Helen was at that location BEFORE she lost her eye. In fact, it would make sense to give the starting representation of each group of characters, before each particular scene took place. There is nothing wrong with that. The maps are not inaccurate, unless you look at them in the wrong way.
Gangsta, it's a map, what am I supposed to think other then it's supposed to show where everyone is? When they just happened to be there at the time of it's release? :heh:
Their should have been something to indicate that it's not to be taken seriously or that you're supposed to look at it a certain way, otherwise Yagi is just tricking everybody :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-25, 21:36
Gangsta, it's a map, what am I supposed to think other then it's supposed to show where everyone is? When they just happened to be there at the time of it's release? :heh:
Their should have been something to indicate that it's not to be taken seriously or that you're supposed to look at it a certain way, otherwise Yagi is just tricking everybody :heh:
Shieky, I did not look at those maps in that way when I first saw them. I knew that Helen, Deneve were on the move, and that their current location was of no importance. What was more interesting, what the reader wanted to know at the time, was the location of the Town that Helen and Deneve met Isley in, which wasn't show in any of the previous maps I believe. So if you take that into consideration, then you know that, that location is in a different time frame from the Clare, Yoma, Cynthia, Renee, Riful, Dauf location on the map. A map as you describe it, of the current time frame, would totally be boring. Like I said, who cares were helen and deneve are in between the time they met Isley and ran into the zacs, and the time they arrive where Clare is at? You usually put important things on maps, not the trivial. Now if this was a live update map of a game, then it would make sense to be in that way.
I know that there is one very recent mape that not only shows the Continent, but it also shows the current position of every character. Now, where the hell is that thing?
I got it... Sorry HedemonKhan I totally forgot about it, (:heh:, oops). Thank MisterJB for reminding me with that post...
It to shows the holy city off center... but no Volcano :D
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/Map-1.jpg
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-25, 22:35
I got it... Sorry HedemonKhan I totally forgot about it, (:heh:, oops). Thank MisterJB for reminding me with that post...
It to shows the holy city off center... but no Volcano :D
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/Map-1.jpg
This map shows a lot of important locations.
1) The HQ of the Org.
2) Rabona
3) The City Raki and Priscilla met Rene
4) City where Isley died, represented by Helen and Deneve
5) Riful's new base.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-26, 00:39
thanks, Ryus
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 10:04
http://i36.tinypic.com/2ec2phk.jpg
Anyway, this is the second travel path map one can come up with, given the data that we know so far.
Clare's group is the baby blue
Helen's group is the orange
Dietrich is the Purple
Raki is the Green
Alicia is the Red.
The path that Riful took Renee on could also be represented by the Green.
Well and actually, now that I think about it, Raki too is heading towards the Org, like Dietrich.
Anyway, this map makes perfect sense, you just have to look at it from a different angle than shieky did, since each of the points are important locations in the story, not current positions of claymores.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 10:52
http://i33.tinypic.com/30hq03t.jpg
Okay, now this one would be the previous travel paths. Where the ghosts are represented by green. Riful is red. The Claymores the Ghosts save from Riful are Orange (the ones people don't like). Baby Blue represents the New Generation claymores that people can actually like.
Anyway, as seen on the map the ghosts meet riful somewhere, where she was trying to capture some single digits. The three groups split up, The ghost eventually heading towards Rabona, The New Generation Claymores most likely heading back to the org, or reporting to their handlers somewhere else. Riful heading angrily back to her base. Meanwhile, we have Clarice and Miata traveling to Rabona from the Org. We also have Renee leaving Raki, after he gave her a headache, and she runs into Riful, who attacks her and takes her back to her base. We also have the ghosts splitting up. Some staying in Rabona. Clare's group heading towards the west. Helen's group heading towards the south, saving dietrich, before she follows them towards the town that Isley is in. Again, the map makes perfect sense. :D
Shiek927
2009-10-26, 11:27
Again, the map makes perfect sense.
:heh: Whatever you say Gangsta
What a project you've made, hard to believe Yagi intended it to be that way :heh:
But when Gangsta Spanksta says something is "Boring", we all have to fall in line :heh:.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 11:36
:heh: Whatever you say Gangsta
What a project you've made, hard to believe Yagi intended it to be that way :heh:
But when Gangsta Spanksta says something is "Boring", we all have to fall in line :heh:.
Nah, I just choose to go the path of least resistance. Which is something I never understood here, is why people seem to want to go down a path where they start noticing plot holes in the story, instead of choosing to go down the path where everything makes sense. Like you said, if the dots on the map represented current locations, then the map wouldn't make sense, for surely Helen and Deneve wouldn't be that far away, when Clare is at Riful's base. We also learn later on that Raki is real close to Riful's base too, or at least the nearest village near the base. And again, we know that Helen and Deneve had a starting point at the city where Isley fell, and then they traveled towards Clare. I really don't see what would be so interesting about knowing where those two are at when Clare is at Riful's base, when they haven't done anything but travel.
Ask yourself, what is a purpose of a map? To give locations? Which location is more interesting? Where Helen and Deneve are at at the moment when they are doing nothing? Or the scene of a major event in the story? By your own admission, the way you looked at the map, it didn't make sense. However, if you look at the map the way I do, then it starts making sense. So why would you choose to keep looking at it in a way in which it doesn't work? Obviously, the points on the map are not current location of characters at the time when Clare was at Riful's new base.
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg
Oh my goodness! This map shows the presence of a smaller island north of Lautrec! Could it be the "North" Rubel alluded to?
Creangeru
2009-10-26, 11:54
If you relly want to know the steps Claires has taken during her travel, just use the DS game. It will only go until the "War in the North", but you see every little action she has taken. Fighting Ophelia, Ophelia's Awakening, Riful and so on. Also a part of Teresa and Miria is visible.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 12:00
http://i36.tinypic.com/nxkf9d.jpg
Anyway, here is another possible path map. The starting location for the Ghosts is different really, since they start from another city, but either way they start from somewhere in the north. I think the west most path is the most likely. But we do know that the Ghosts (green) are on some cliff, higher ground from Riful (red) and the New Generation (purple). The left most path, seems to be the most likely, because the ghosts have a better chance of misdirecting Riful, and there seems to be a forest there, which I circled in cyan.
Shiek927
2009-10-26, 12:19
Nah, I just choose to go the path of least resistance. Which is something I never understood here, is why people seem to want to go down a path where they start noticing plot holes in the story, instead of choosing to go down the path where everything makes sense. Like you said, if the dots on the map represented current locations, then the map wouldn't make sense, for surely Helen and Deneve wouldn't be that far away, when Clare is at Riful's base. We also learn later on that Raki is real close to Riful's base too, or at least the nearest village near the base. And again, we know that Helen and Deneve had a starting point at the city where Isley fell, and then they traveled towards Clare. I really don't see what would be so interesting about knowing where those two are at when Clare is at Riful's base, when they haven't done anything but travel.
Ask yourself, what is a purpose of a map? To give locations? Which location is more interesting? Where Helen and Deneve are at at the moment when they are doing nothing? Or the scene of a major event in the story? By your own admission, the way you looked at the map, it didn't make sense. However, if you look at the map the way I do, then it starts making sense. So why would you choose to keep looking at it in a way in which it doesn't work? Obviously, the points on the map are not current location of characters at the time when Clare was at Riful's new base.
:) Thing is Gangsta, more then once you have argued against something with the notion that it's simply Boring...
That's not really something that can be argued against because it's really just personal opinion, so whenever you say something is Boring, the debate enters a kind of dead-lock:p:heh:
If you relly want to know the steps Claires has taken during her travel, just use the DS game. It will only go until the "War in the North", but you see every little action she has taken. Fighting Ophelia, Ophelia's Awakening, Riful and so on. Also a part of Teresa and Miria is visible.
Well, the map was technically made for the game, which is the surreal part; it obviously takes recent notions from the manga, but at the same time, the game itself really followed the anime more then anything.
Kind of mind-boggling :eyespin:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 12:43
:) Thing is Gangsta, more then once you have argued against something with the notion that it's simply Boring...
That's not really something that can be argued against because it's really just personal opinion, so whenever you say something is Boring, the debate enters a kind of dead-lock:p:heh:
See now you using a bit of misdirection, taking what I have said out of context, convoluting my whole point. "Oh Gangsta said something was boring, and so has deadlocked the debate." That is not the case at all. I was merely pointing out that the point of Helen's and Deneve's location when Clare's group is hiding from Dauf is trivial information that holds little value in the context of the overall story, since at that time they are heading towards Clare, and we already know that they are heading towards Clare, and how close they are to Clare at that time holds little importance to the story being told. However, the location of the town that Helen and Deneve meet Isley is non-trivial information to the story, because it represent a location where an important event in the story took place. Helen having both eyes in the representation of that location just shows her starting state when she arrived at that location, and isn't an inaccuracy.
Again, it is going with the path of least resistance, choosing the path that is compatible with the story, the path that does not create any inconsistencies and inaccuracies. If you choose the path that makes you say, "The map is inaccurate, and doesn't make any sense," then chances are you are looking at it the wrong way. One thing I have notice is that both Rabona and the Org HQ, are located at the same location on both of those maps Yagi has given us, making those locations very accurate. So there is some consistency with the maps
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 12:50
http://i35.tinypic.com/11h3ntz.jpg
Anyway, another interesting, possible, location that the maps give us is the forest where Clarice and Miata were most likely ambused by Yoma.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-26, 13:08
only one glaring thing mentioned that is wrong + a time line (as best as i can):
*there IS a forest near Rabona. the posted map has this correct*
*however, Rabona IS in the smack center of the island, so the posted map IS WRONG by having Rabona slightly off to the left-west*
(this is what really happens, so *SOME* of gangsta's stuff is simply wrong)
7 years ago:
1. raki is in a village in the southern lands with priscilla, while isley is fighting with luciela.
2. rafaela kills luciela, and they end up half merged together.
3. riful finds them, and takes them back to her new or 2nd lair in the western lands.
7-? years ago:
isley tells raki and priscilla (to protect raki and she likes him anyways) to separate from him because he was the target of the abyss feeders, and cared about raki and priscilla's safety. raki and priscilla head west to look for clare, while isley leads the abyss feeders away from them.
(eventually hiding in villages in the south, which resulted in battles with the abyss feeders, which destroyed those villages. isley would travel to half of the southern land's villages and they get destroyed. finally in some village, isley meets deneve and helen, and attacks them, but than the abyss feeders show up. dietrich saves helen and deneve from the abyss feeders, and they run away. however, isley is maimed by the abyss feeders, and eaten up, dead)
?-1 year ago:
Raki and Priscilla were in raki's home village, called Doga, which is in the southern lands, when renee noticed, came, and had a chat with them.
1 year ago (while the ghosts were in the north on their 6th year out of the 7 years they would be there):
raki and priscilla were in Rabona and had a chat with Cid and Galk. raki tells cid and galk that he is going to retrace his journey with clare, and he and priscilla head out west from Rabona.
near the current time:
1. ghosts leave the north and come across and save audrey and rachel from riful.
2. audrey and rachel take the piece of riful's flesh that Helen cut off, back to Org headquarters. this will be used to make a new batch of abyss feeders to hunt n kill riful.
3. renee gets captured by riful
4. rubel and two other MiBs, each with a claymore (3 claymores), are secretly looking for renee, who has gone missing. worried that riful has her, and is using her to awaken "their" rafaela+luciela creation.
5. miata and clarice arrive in rabona, having found galatea, and attack her. agatha joins in.
6. ghosts show up and save the day. killing agatha and "stopping" miata from killing galatea. also, seemingly, clarice and miata are now no longer with the Organization.
7. clare, cynthia, and yuma head west to look for raki after hearing about him from cid and galk. they arrive in Lacroa and encounter Rubel, two other MiBs, and their 3 total claymores, and a yoma/awakened one (not sure which. can't remember). Rubel tells clare about riful having rafaela+luciela. clare n co heads to riful.
8. deneve and helen head to the southern lands to see their home villages. they encounter dietrich (and 3 other claymores) and help her kill an awakened one. they than learn and head to the village that isley is in. (see the above, where i already talked about this). they than head to the western lands to catch up with clare because cynthia is with her, and they need cynthia to heal helen's eye.
9. as soon as isley is dead. the organization launches its new batch of riful hunting abyss feeders AND alicia and beth to dispatch the final remaining abyssal one (riful) and threat to them.
10. clare awakens the destroyer. havoc ensues. Org seemingly losses Alicia and Beth, but they don't seem too concerned, as we find out just below, when they find impaled-infected raki.
practically current time:
Raki and Priscilla are now in a village called Ticheri, when it is struck by the Destroyer's huge projectiles.
current time:
Raki is found by Dae n co with two small projectiles in his shoulder. Dae n co comment that Ticheri is the nearest village to the "incident". Probably this means the Destroyer, which means Ticheri and they are in the western lands.
Shiek927
2009-10-26, 13:13
See now you using a bit of misdirection, taking what I have said out of context, convoluting my whole point. "Oh Gangsta said something was boring, and so has deadlocked the debate." That is not the case at all.
:eyebrow: Calm down would ya? sheesh, one little poke and you lose it.
In general, calling something Boring as part of making your point is something you've done before, though I'm not sure if you realize that.
Convoluting? misdirection? Where on earth do you get this from? :heh:
Raki and Priscilla are now in a village called Ticheri, when it is struck by the Destroyer's huge projectiles.
:confused: Where did the town's name come from? I didn't know it had a name.
Ticheri sounds like the name of a bird :p
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 13:18
only one glaring thing mentioned that is wrong:
Raki and Priscilla were in raki's home village, called Doga, which is in the southern lands, when renee noticed, came, and had a chat with them
Out of curiosity, what is the exact quote in the story about the location of Raki's village. Southern village, could have many different meanings, depending on south of what. Also, rabona being exactly in the center, is more a perception thing, like humans used to think that the earth was the center of the universe.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 13:28
:eyebrow: Calm down would ya? sheesh, one little poke and you lose it.
In general, calling something Boring as part of making your point is something you've done before, though I'm not sure if you realize that.
Convoluting? misdirection? Where on earth do you get this from? :heh:
I haven't lost it, but you are clearly trying to end the argument, making it seem it is because of me being close minded by calling things boring, so there is no point in arguing with a close minded person, when that is not the case at all. If I said boring, then it is not as bad as you make it sound, I was saying it to mean trivial, as in that it holds little relevance to the story. Where Helen and Denever are at the time Clare, Cynthia, and Yuma are hiding from Dauf, is not important to the story. We the readers already know that Helen and Deneve are heading towards Clare. Now the location of town where an entire arc of the Manga took place is relevant information and is more interesting, and less trivial, and even less boring to know than the location of two characters when they are not doing anything significant but traveling. To further illustrate the point, earlier, I did mention it would be different if it was a live updated map of a game you were playing, where then having some idea of when Helen and Deneve would arrive at your location could be useful information, as in how much time you have to survive until reinforcements come in. But if you put it in the context of a story, giving points of importance on a map is more valuable to the reader, who can then draw their own paths of travel from point to point to figure out the direction people were traveling. Anyway, you were trying to use me saying "boring" as making it seem that I am unreasonable to argue with, when the truth was that I was using the word to mean irrelevant as a logical explanation of why one possibility is more likely than another. I mean, what does knowing where Helen and Deneve are at when Clare is hiding from Dauf add to the story?
MisterJB
2009-10-26, 13:37
only one glaring thing mentioned that is wrong:
Raki and Priscilla were in raki's home village, called Doga, which is in the southern lands, when renee noticed, came, and had a chat with them
What makes you think that they didn't travel from South to West in the time that took for The Destroyer to Awaken?
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 13:41
What makes you think that they didn't travel from South to West in the time that took for The Destroyer to Awaken?
I usually hunt down quotes, but I'm to lazy right now and have to go to work soon. But this has come up before I believe, where someone said Raki's home town is in the south, and it was explained by someone else that Raki's home town can actually be in the west, just south of another location. The location I see as his town, is south west from where Riful's new base is. But the exact quote would help. Also, I wish we could get the text on the map translated.
Shiek927
2009-10-26, 13:43
I haven't lost it, but you are clearly trying to end the argument
.....:uhoh::heh::eyespin:
I'm not trying to "end" anything, nothing "started" to begin with, I'm just trying to make a point.
What argument? What are we arguing about? I haven't had a real debate since the one about Raki(with you) in the Raki thread.
Anyway, you were trying to use me saying "boring" as making it seem that I am unreasonable to argue with, when the truth was that I was using the word to mean irrelevant as a logical explanation of why one possibility is more likely than another
...Gangsta, stop trying to think you can read my mind already, you're already wrong on that department by acting like I'm trying to attack you.
In the end, all I said was that you've used the word "boring" more then once and that's not something you can really counter in an arguement because it's really just personal opinion. That's it, I have no idea where you're getting this crazy presumptions, I wasn't even trying to start a debate to begin with, nor did I realize I"m apparently in one :heh:.
Man, some people are really touchy
I usually hunt down quotes, but I'm to lazy right now and have to go to work soon. But this has come up before I believe, where someone said Raki's home town is in the south, and it was explained by someone else that Raki's home town can actually be in the west, just south of another location. The location I see as his town, is south west from where Riful's new base is. But the exact quote would help. Also, I wish we could get the text on the map translated.
Wasn't Raki's home in a desert-like region?
Raki told Isley that his home was in Doga Plains in the southern region. He also has the smell of the south, and of course, Isley attempted to conquer the south.
I think the odds of him living in the South rather then just the southern corner of the West is more likely.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 13:54
..Gangsta, stop trying to think you can read my mind already, you're already wrong on that department by acting like I'm trying to attack you.
In the end, all I said was that you've used the word "boring" more then once and that's not something you can really counter in an arguement because it's really just personal opinion. That's it, I have no idea where you're getting this crazy presumptions, I wasn't even trying to start a debate to begin with, nor did I realize I"m apparently in one :heh:.
Man, some people are really touchy
:) I should've said relevant as in where Helen met Isley in the story is more relevant than where Helen was when Clare did something. But really, when you say "so whenever you say something is Boring, the debate enters a kind of dead-lock," you are taking out of context what I really said, since it was never made due to personal opinion, but more to impact an event had in the story, and it is quite different to say something is just due to personal taste, when we are describing 1) a location where a major arc in the Manga took place versus 2) A location that the manga doesn't even bother to show. So yes, 2 is more boring than 1, logically, because 2 is not even in the manga. If it is anyone personal opinion, it would be Yagi's who bothered to illustrate one event and not the other. :)
Anyway, despite what it may seem, I'm not being touchy and I'm not upset. I'm sort of indifferent when I debate things usually, but that does not mean I won't notice someone taking what I said out of context and then defend that I wasn't saying it how they are making it seem.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-26, 14:01
:p Arggh!! Hegey, why did you edit your previous post, completely changing it, instead of posting a new post. I've been waiting for you to reply and quite possibly would've never noticed that your original post has been changed :P
Anyway, your edited post is no good. Use actual quotes to the story, instead of saying seven years ago raki village was in the southern lands.
Edit: :heh: time to go to work now. :D
Edit 2: Hegey you take things to literal. It is only human perception that Rabona is smack in the center of the world, much in the same way that it was human perception that the earth was smack in the center of the universe at one time. The map is more realistic, and just shows people misperceive, which is consistent to how people misperceive in the actual story several times. Anyway, we have two different maps that show Rabona at about the same location. that is constancy.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-26, 14:09
"Out of curiosity, what is the exact quote in the story about the location of Raki's village. Southern village, could have many different meanings, depending on south of what. Also, rabona being exactly in the center, is more a perception thing, like humans used to think that the earth was the center of the universe." -gangsta
it is accurate, and i'm not RE-researching it, just for you. you can believe what you want. but what i said is the truth, regardless. I put a lot of effort in to find out where stuff is, and...
Raki's home village is called Doga. It is at least (i think i can possible narrow it down even more, but it'll take some more work) somewhere in the southern lands (including the southern triangle of the central lands, since the central lands isn't recognized by the Org, and this triangle is still considered part of the southern lands).
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this can be found on my social group called Claymore Fanclub
villages in the southern lands:
*currently half of the villages in the southern lands are destroyed from the battles between isley and the abyss feeders*
1. Doga. raki's home village
2. Musha. Priscilla's home village
3. unnamed. Deneve's home village. near helen's home village
4. unnamed. Helen's home village. near deneve's home village
5. unnamed. where raki and priscilla were staying while isley battle luciela. raki cooked food for priscilla (forgot what the food was called. wasn't important to me, lol)
6. unnamed. where isley, helen, deneve, dietrich, and abyss feeders all met and battled.
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"What makes you think that they didn't travel from South to West in the time that took for The Destroyer to Awaken?" -MisterJB
they did, as i said.
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gangsta,
the manga specifically says that Rabona is in smack center of the island. that's quite CLEAR and NON-ambigous(translated) language. but, believe whatever fantasies you want. you have the right of course. if you want to believe Rabona is off to the left-west and ignore what the manga says, than by all means, be my guest.
Doga IS in the southern lands according to the manga. exactly where in the southern lands... i'm not sure yet, though i think i can narrow it down, some. but it'll take work.
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though, this is what i'll be doing next with my map project, because it is what i can do:
the southern lands.
there's a bit of info for me to use, just need to sort it out.
clarakiss~
2009-10-26, 16:02
Ticheri sounds like the name of a bird :p
ohh~h really? you don't say, maybe it's the name of poor 'twinkle toes' birdy-kun you removed from your avy?. :p free punpun!! :mad: lol
raki and clare are so close yet so far. >.< with raki being farther in the west than clare, does that mean the retrieval team w/ raki in toll must get pass where the fighting is taking place? what the chances that clare or others intercepting them and help raki? don't want to see raki end up at the org to be some experimental rat. :(
HegemonKhan
2009-10-26, 16:05
what doesn't make sense to me is why-how-for what is dae way out to the very western most spot on the island past the destroyer's location........ is/was he simply part of the Organization's effort to find renee/luciela+rafaela, overshooting riful's location not knowing, like rubel was ? or something else....
makes me very disbelieving in the posted map, showing this.
this can be found on my social group called Claymore Fanclub
villages in the southern lands:
*currently half of the villages in the southern lands are destroyed from the battles between isley and the abyss feeders*
1. Doga. raki's home village
2. Musha. Priscilla's home village
3. unnamed. Deneve's home village. near helen's home village
4. unnamed. Helen's home village. near deneve's home village
5. unnamed. where raki and priscilla were staying while isley battle luciela. raki cooked food for priscilla (forgot what the food was called. wasn't important to me, lol)
6. unnamed. where isley, helen, deneve, dietrich, and abyss feeders all met and battled.
HK, we don't know for certain whether the small place where Raki and Priscilla had been shown to be while Isley was fighting against Luciela has been destroyed. The same can be said for Helen's and Deneve's home villages. http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3pd2b.jpg
I agree with Gangsta on the accuracy of these maps: their sole purpose was to update us on the recently mentioned localities where the main events have taken place and to confront their locations with Rabona's, the Organization's and Pieta's. And all the possible paths he has traced and reconstructed confirm that on the DS map we can find elements that have been later ( after the war in the North ) introduced to the story. Plus they come from Yagi himself so I think there's no need to question their truthfulness. :)
HegemonKhan
2009-10-26, 19:34
as my post shows, i never said they were. though, i coulda been more clear in how i designed that post. i guess i can see how you mistook the *............* to refer to the below list of villages
we do NOT know what villages were destroyed and which are still intact.
the manga does say that HALF of the villages in the southern lands were-are destroyed from isley trying to hide in them from the abyss feeders, but they find him, and the ensuing battles destroys the villages.
the manga as i just said, does NOT tell which villages are destroyed and which aren't.
that list is just the possible villages that i know of. has nothing to do with what villages were destroyed or not.
as my post shows, i never said they were. though, i coulda been more clear in how i designed that post. i guess i can see how you mistook the *............* to refer to the below list of villages
we do NOT know what villages were destroyed and which are still intact.
the manga does say that HALF of the villages in the southern lands were-are destroyed from isley trying to hide in them from the abyss feeders, but they find him, and the ensuing battles destroys the villages.
the manga as i just said, does NOT tell which villages are destroyed and which aren't.
that list is just the possible villages that i know of. has nothing to do with what villages were destroyed or not.
You never said they weren't though. :p Sorry then. :) I associated the *.... are destroyed....* with the following list of villages since that was what I found right after the statement.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-26, 23:35
apologizes for my errors:
1. my unclear post
2. being a little bit upset
sorry, deeply apologizes.
i'll try to be more clear with my posts and want i want to or intended to say in them.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-27, 00:50
"Out of curiosity, what is the exact quote in the story about the location of Raki's village. Southern village, could have many different meanings, depending on south of what. Also, rabona being exactly in the center, is more a perception thing, like humans used to think that the earth was the center of the universe." -gangsta
it is accurate, and i'm not RE-researching it, just for you. you can believe what you want. but what i said is the truth, regardless. I put a lot of effort in to find out where stuff is, and...
I am asking because this topic has come up before when there was a contradiction of Raki's home being in the Southern lands. I remember for the longest, people took that as fact, but several chapters before you joined us, there was some evidence contradicting the claim that Raki is from the same neck of the woods as Priscilla. Someone(s) came up with a reasonable explanation that Raki is actually from the Western lands, and that the south reference could of been more the south of the western quadrant or south of a specific location in the West. Anyway, I for a long time have considered Raki coming from the west, and now take that for granted like I once took for granted that he came from the south.
I am open minded about where Raki comes from, that is why I asked you for the specific text, since you said you've researched it, since I wanted to take a closer look because I have doubt it means what you think it does due to other discussions in the past about this matter and the map.
As for your research, you are going about things the wrong way. What I mean is you can't expect people, especially those with roots in Philosophy and Science, to automatically take your word for things like, "Doga IS in the southern lands according to the manga," without providing references. On whatever document that you are keeping those notes, you should also keep chapter and page numbers from the manga. There are so many different variables involved here, from reading into what something says, to translations differing, to things being vague, and so forth when it comes to Claymore that people want to take a look at the reference material to make sure. But really, if you want to respect your work, keep references, and don't just take my word about this, ask someone with a scientific background what they think about needing references for this kind of research, say like Ryus, who I have no idea what his opinion on this matter would be, just that he has a scientific background.
gangsta,
the manga specifically says that Rabona is in smack center of the island. that's quite CLEAR and NON-ambigous(translated) language. but, believe whatever fantasies you want. you have the right of course. if you want to believe Rabona is off to the left-west and ignore what the manga says, than by all means, be my guest.
Noppers, you got that completely wrong, the Manga did not say that Robona is smack center of the island. I believe it was Cynthia who said that, and at the time of reading, I believed that one just about as much as I believed Riful when she said Isley defeated Priscilla. Characters in the manga have again and again misperceived the reality that they live in. I am sure people in Rabona, "The Holy City", believe they are in the center of the world, and I even believe that many people on the Island, including Cynthia believe that, but somehow a city of that importance being in the exact center of the Island, I have a hard time finding realistic. So when I read Cynthia words, I believed that she was mistaken and just thought that Rabona was in the central area.
Anyway, does anyone remember when images of the DS game first started appearing? I believe it was around the time we have Cynthia draw our first map. It's been quite awhile ago. But software development for a game usually takes awhile, over a year. It is quite possible that Yagi started making maps for the DS game, if the Celtic cross stays consistent with the in game maps, and the manga maps. If the game has a Celtic cross for an island, and images of it started to appear close to the time that those chapters were written, then that means that Yagi had involvement in making maps for the game, and that we have any map maybe because of the game. Just a thought.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-27, 01:47
Okay, first off thanks to Ryus to pointing me to the page where we first get a clue of where Raki's location is at.
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2148/rakiinthenorth.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/rakiinthenorth.jpg/)
This image helps uncloud my mind and remember a bit more about what was discussed on Animesuki in the past. Now, I don't want any credit for being the one who first said that Raki is actually from the west instead of the south. That was someone else or more than one someone else who came up with that one in the past here, and it was such a convincing analysis that it changed my mind.
But basically this Image is what first made people say that Raki is from the South. Later on, there were some contradiction in the Manga that put Raki's home town in the west, and some people did not believe that Raki could travel as fast as Riful and get to the west. I will have to reread the manga from that point on and look for clues. But anyway, there were some inconsistency that contradicted that Raki was from the South, and people one here were questioning Yagi, saying that a mistake had been made because of this image, when someone pointed out that Raki was in the North at that time, and that any land above the northern border would be Southern Lands. So if you live in the North, Riful of the West lives in the south from you. If you live in the North, the organization is located in the south, and so on and so on. So Raki saying that he is from the Southern Lands would not contradict him living in the western quadrant of the Celtic Cross.
So Given this, The location of Raki's home town on the map is not necessarily inaccurate, and would require more evidence to disprove.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-27, 02:37
the manga does say that HALF of the villages in the southern lands were-are destroyed from isley trying to hide in them from the abyss feeders, but they find him, and the ensuing battles destroys the villages.
Ah, I just thought of another reason, that has been mentioned before by others, of why Raki's home town is not in the South, but in the west. Raki and Priscilla separated from Isley and Isley is in the South, while they are probably like Riful in the West and have no Clue of the destruction in the South. I think others have mentioned that it wouldn't make sense for Raki and Priscilla to abandoned Isley, if they had knowledge of the ZACS, nor would it make sense for them to allow the ZACS to destroy their homeland. If Raki and Priscilla are in the South, then they would have knowledge of half of the cities there being destroyed. They would've had knowledge that Isley's life was in peril, and it would've been out of character for both of them not to do anything. So, I am with the people that think that it just wouldn't make sense for Raki's hometown to be in the South because of this.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 02:39
Okay, first off thanks to Ryus to pointing me to the page where we first get a clue of where Raki's location is at.
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2148/rakiinthenorth.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/rakiinthenorth.jpg/)
This image helps uncloud my mind and remember a bit more about what was discussed on Animesuki in the past. Now, I don't want any credit for being the one who first said that Raki is actually from the west instead of the south. That was someone else or more than one someone else who came up with that one in the past here, and it was such a convincing analysis that it changed my mind.
But basically this Image is what first made people say that Raki is from the South. Later on, there were some contradiction in the Manga that put Raki's home town in the west, and some people did not believe that Raki could travel as fast as Riful and get to the west. I will have to reread the manga from that point on and look for clues. But anyway, there were some inconsistency that contradicted that Raki was from the South, and people one here were questioning Yagi, saying that a mistake had been made because of this image, when someone pointed out that Raki was in the North at that time, and that any land above the norther border would be Southern Lands. So if you live in the North, Riful of the West lives in the south from you. If you live in the North, the organization is located in the south, and so on and so on. So Raki saying that he is from the Southern Lands would not contradict him living in the western quadrant of the Celtic Cross.
So Given this, The location of Raki's home town on the map is not necessarily inaccurate, and would require more evidence to disprove.
Yeah, but the way he says it makes it look like he's speaking geographically rather than generally. He says "Southern Lands" as if he were speaking in terms of where the Doga plains are located in the map itself rather than with respect of where they were. If Raki came from the west, Raki would've said he's from the western lands. Not saying I disagree with you since even I think you could be right, but normally someone would say that if they're from the south, they're from the south. If you're in Sweden, you wouldn't say that Brazil was located south, but west (or south-west if you want to get really technical).
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-27, 02:52
Yeah, but the way he says it makes it look like he's speaking geographically rather than generally. He says "Southern Lands" as if he were speaking in terms of where the Doga plains are located in the map itself rather than with respect of where they were. If Raki came from the west, Raki would've said he's from the western lands. Not saying I disagree with you since even I think you could be right, but normally someone would say that if they're from the south, they're from the south. If you're in Sweden, you wouldn't say that Brazil was located south, but west (or south-west if you want to get really technical).
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/610/europei.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/europei.jpg/)
But if you lived in Sweden, would you say that Spain is in the west or in the south? But like I said, Raki home town being in the South just doesn't make sense, because that would mean that he probably knows 1) of the destruction of the South and 2) that Isley is being hunted down by the ZACS. Given the kind of Goody-two-shoes character Raki is, given both Raki's and Priscilla's relationship to Isley, it would make both of those characters totally out of character, if his hometown is located in the South. Instead, I think that both Raki and Priscilla, similar to Riful, have no clue of what has been happening in the South and to Isley. They may have had a falling out, but they're still family.
Edit: Also take note "Southern Lands" is Japanese --> English translation, and might not be translated the best way, or makes perfect sense in Japanese the way it was said. I mean, when it comes to this manga, we always have to be careful on the small details.
Edit 2: Further evidence, that Raki's hometown is in the West and not in the South is a) Clare's group traveled towards the west. b) Clare's group runs into a group of Claymore and MIB conducting a search for Renee in the West, who believe that they may have been too late, So Renee was in the West when she got kidnapped by Riful, a short time after she thought of heading to the east to report to the org her findings of Raki and Priscilla.
I fell like I'm in a geography class back at school.:)
Creangeru
2009-10-27, 08:28
The main problem about this SOUTHERN LANDS thing is the all caps way to write it. We don't know if it is a geographical information or a name.
Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are Europe's SOUTHERN LANDS, but they each have their own name.
Texas and Florida are the southern lands of the US, but together with a bunch of others we have the Southern United States.
I hope i made myself clear:heh::twitch:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-27, 08:56
North Carolina is in the South. :D
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 09:40
I'm a little confused Gangsta, was is it that makes you believe Raki's village is in the West?
If it's the speed in which he traveled to the West, I always felt it was because he wasn't far from the border and he didn't live deep in the South.
Texas and Florida are the southern lands of the US, but together with a bunch of others we have the Southern United States.
Maybe we should just seperate them by how they were in the Civil War; in those days, the North and South were easy to pick out :heh:
I went to check the edition of the Claymore manga we have here and it states that Raki is from the west. I've never taken it seriously, considering all the mistranslations it contains ( fact is I didn't even remember it ... ), and I don't know how reliable it might be. :p Here's the page in question so that you can see for yourselves:
Volume 10, chapter 56, page 11
http://i33.tinypic.com/2lvlemd.jpg
Last panel: "Il mio nome è Raki. Sono di Doga, un villaggio dell'ovest" = "My name is Raki. I'm from Doga, a village in the West"
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-27, 10:26
I'm a little confused Gangsta, was is it that makes you believe Raki's village is in the West?
If it's the speed in which he traveled to the West, I always felt it was because he wasn't far from the border and he didn't live deep in the South.
Maybe we should just seperate them by how they were in the Civil War; in those days, the North and South were easy to pick out :heh:
The most logical Reason that Raki is in the West, is because the Org was first trying to find Renee before Riful did, in the West, and that later turned into a search and intelligence gathering mission, where they felt that they had arrived too late. But since this is all going on in the West, and Renee was heading east to report to the org, then Raki would be west of her, and she is in the west.
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 11:07
The most logical Reason that Raki is in the West, is because the Org was first trying to find Renee before Riful did, in the West, and that later turned into a search and intelligence gathering mission, where they felt that they had arrived too late. But since this is all going on in the West, and Renee was heading east to report to the org, then Raki would be west of her, and she is in the west.
Hmm....that's true...
Can't believe I never realized that. Their's the possibility Riful went out of her way to go to the South, but I don't think she would go so far and leave her territory.
And going by what Isley said when he died, Raki and Priscilla left the Southern lands entirely.
I went to check the edition of the Claymore manga we have here and it states that Raki is from the west. I've never taken it seriously, considering all the mistranslations it contains ( fact is I didn't even remember it ... ), and I don't know how reliable it might be. :p Here's the page in question so that you can see for yourselves:
Volume 10, chapter 56, page 11
http://i33.tinypic.com/2lvlemd.jpg
Last panel: "Il mio nome è Raki. Sono di Doga, un villaggio dell'ovest" = "My name is Raki. I'm from Doga, a village in the West"
Never trust too much publishers' translations, mine says Helen half-awakened when she was with a boy and 'couldn't resist' :eyespin: :D
zato_1one
2009-10-27, 14:47
Scan from Viz translation.
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6310/claymorev10145.jpg
Interesting enough, my local publisher also translates that Raki is from the west. What is the possibility that three official translations are wrong at the same time? :eyespin:
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 15:03
Never trust too much publishers' translations, mine says Helen half-awakened when she was with a boy and 'couldn't resist' :eyespin: :D
...........:heh:
You mind posting it? I have to see this and laugh :heh:
Helen, with a boy? It almost sounds like she was in a serious relationship which completely changes my perspective of her :heh:
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 15:46
...........:heh:
You mind posting it? I have to see this and laugh :heh:
Helen, with a boy? It almost sounds like she was in a serious relationship which completely changes my perspective of her :heh:
It wouldn't surprise me tbh.
Never trust too much publishers' translations, mine says Helen half-awakened when she was with a boy and 'couldn't resist' :eyespin: :D
:heh: The worst translation we've had was when Cid told Claire that he thought the little girl Raki was traveling with ( Priscilla ) was Claire's daughter... :upset:
...........:heh:
You mind posting it? I have to see this and laugh :heh:
Helen, with a boy? It almost sounds like she was in a serious relationship which completely changes my perspective of her :heh:
I second this, Korinov. :heh: I'll add it to the group. :D
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 15:56
:heh: The worst translation we've had was when Cid told Claire that he thought the little girl Raki was traveling with ( Priscilla ) was Claire's daughter... :upset:
And there's that scene where Cid was surprised that Clare was a girl on their first meeting when he referred to her as a girl before that.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 16:20
in my translation, it says raki's home village is called Doga, and it is in the southern lands.
also, priscilla's home village is called Musha, and it is also in the southern lands.
this was quite lucky for isley, since he just happened to want to go kill luciela in the southern lands as well.
priscilla likes raki's smell, presumably this is because he smells like the southern lands, priscilla's (and raki's own) home.
also, there's no barren-deserts in the western lands. it is all forests, hills, and mountains.
yet Doga (raki's home village), is around barren-deserts.
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there's just too much here, that shows raki's home village, Doga, is in the southern lands.
though where in the southern lands, i'm not sure. Doga could even be up in the top of the southern lands (in the central lands).
-----------------------------------
raki and priscilla, from the southern lands, however....
DID TRAVELED TO THE WESTERN LANDS LOOKING FOR CLARE
i'm pretty sure that Ticheri village is right next to the destroyer which is next to the castle in the forest which also contains irene's mountain valley and is next to Gonalh / Gonal village, Lacroa village, and Hanel "village" (actually it is a very big town).
And there's that scene where Cid was surprised that Clare was a girl on their first meeting when he referred to her as a girl before that.
I had forgotten about that. And Helen calling Miria "Hey, miss" in chapter 79. Deneve, in chapter 67, commenting Miria and Claire's duel to Helen saying that ( Miria ) "when she releases her youki, her normal velocity increases" when she wasn't releasing it at all. Or the completely wrong last panel of ES 2 where we can see 2 Deneves and 2 Claires. Practically we have ( from right to left ): Claire, Cynthia, Deneve, Miria, Helen, Claire, Deneve while the right panel has: Tabatha, Cynthia, Deneve, Miria, Helen, Claire, Yuma.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 16:24
Two translations say that Doga is in the west though, one of them being Italian which I happen to understand if anyone's forgotten. Yes, that means you Cam. When two translations say that Doga's in the west and only one says it's from the south, I tend to think that most people who can understand dat shit think Doga's in the west, and I can only rely on the majority as I'm not able to read raws. Doga might likely be near the border between the western and the southern lands, which might explain why Raki smells similar to the people from the south.
zato_1one
2009-10-27, 16:38
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1899/rawmangaclaymorev10143c.jpg
Translator needed. :cool:
FYI, 西 = west and 南 = south :eyespin:
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 16:45
the southern lands' shape:
.../\
../_\
.|...|
.|__|
western... <- .../\
lands....... <- ../_\ this triangle top of the southern lands is also part of or in the central lands
..__.
.|...|
.|__|........this square bottom is the southern lands (and the bottom of this square would be the FAR south)
soo....
Doga could be in the triangle top of the southern lands on the west border with the western lands, like yoko mentioned. OR, it could be in the NW corner of the square bottom section of the southern lands, which also makes it right on the border (well, vertex) with the western lands.
i do lean towards Doga being in this top triangle part of the southern lands, though i'm not sure if it is on the west border with the western lands or not (it might actually be to the east close to eastern border with the eastern lands). though i do feel it is in this triangle top section of the southern lands.
Here:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3336/ohmylulz.jpg
- Yo también. Sobrepasé mi límite llevada por la euforia. Estaba con un chico y no pude reprimirme. Pero luego pude retomar el control y refrenarlo.
means:
- Me too. I surpassed my limit carried away by ecstasy. I was with a boy and couldn't keep myself back. But later I managed to regain control and restrain it/him*
The 'translation' produces even moar lulz in the context given, with Helen blushed in previous image. Furthermore, the lulz continues with last "it" since the spanish pronoum lo, masculine singular, sounds quite ambiguous here because it's not clear if it refers to her limit... or the boy (she got on top maybe?). So, to a reader that has not read any previous fansub translations (or the original), Helen can give here a very naughty hint about what she does on her free time.
:D
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 16:59
wait you're saying......
poor boy.... all of a sudden the girl (helen) you're "with" (without clothes cough cough) is turning into a monster (awakened one) ...... wonders what helen's awakened form looks like....
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 17:07
Here:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3336/ohmylulz.jpg
- Yo también. Sobrepasé mi límite llevada por la euforia. Estaba con un chico y no pude reprimirme. Pero luego pude retomar el control y refrenarlo.
means:
- Me too. I surpassed my limit carried away by ecstasy. I was with a boy and couldn't keep myself back. But later I managed to regain control and restrain it/him*
The 'translation' produces even moar lulz in the context given, with Helen blushed in previous image. Furthermore, the lulz continues with last "it" since the spanish pronoum lo, masculine singular, sounds quite ambiguous here because it's not clear if it refers to her limit... or the boy (she got on top maybe?). So, to a reader that has not read any previous fansub translations (or the original), Helen can give here a very naughty hint about what she does on her free time.
:D
ROFLMAO, Unbelievable, and it's in spanish too so I can read it :heh: XDXDXD
Your translation was correct.
Man.....
At the very least, I think this is great material for a fan-fiction, I never knew Helen had skeletons in her closet :heh:
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 17:13
Don't know how to read it, but I could get the jist of it thanks to my Italian. This is amazingly funny, but it seems like something Helen would do :heh:
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 17:21
so basically helen is (or at least was) a ...
helen is (or at least was) hungry for more than apples.....
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 17:24
Well, we all know how flirty Helen is; she's always trying to get into somebody's pants in just about every fanfic, but this is just funny because by crossing her limit, it kind of implies she had the time of her life and may have had an actual boyfriend at one point.
Ahh the possibilities :D
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 17:25
or we could say that the boy was quite good and experienced and .......
helen had quite a "find".
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 18:11
Repost from the image thread
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj188/Freedan_269/5l9gyc2.png
I think that just about sums it all up
:heh: Thanks for sharing, Korinov!
so basically helen is (or at least was) a ...
helen is (or at least was) hungry for more than apples.....
It was her hunger for apples that made her come back. :p She couldn't have eaten anymore if she had awakened.
MisterJB
2009-10-27, 18:28
That's the truth. Thank God for apples.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 18:42
... i have a more dirty explanation of how-why helen "pulled back" from awakening fully.... if helen's size increased when she started to awaken... and it got nothing to do with apples...
clarakiss~
2009-10-27, 18:48
i don't remember reading the claymore manga where helen said she almost awakened because she was with a guy in english nor hearing about it in japanese. is this translation for real or just made up? lol :)
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 18:50
... i have a more dirty explanation of how-why helen "pulled back" from awakening fully.... if helen's size increased when she started to awaken... and it got nothing to do with apples...
Am I too assume you're not talking about physical size?
Why would she stop then? Surely he was enjoying it :heh:
He probably was horrified and disgusted by her transforming appearance and that's what made her stop, reminding her that humans hate Claymores.
i don't remember reading the claymore manga where helen said she almost awakened because she was with a guy in english nor hearing about it in japanese. is this translation for real or just made up? lol :)
It's neither English or Japanese; all the translations are different, each and every one of them in every language. This one is a Spanish one and this one is particulary surprising(and funny) because it's different then what we've heard before.
The others, and what we know, is that Helen said she got lost in the ecstacy of awakening because of her passions and had trouble pulling back. I assumed then that it was simply in the middle of a battle. This implies however that a boy was involved at the time which means it was probably in the middle of intercourse :heh:
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 18:59
~ one week more..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chapter 97 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my countdown has begun, lol
MisterJB
2009-10-27, 19:01
As much as I hate to admit it, it's probrably just a mistake. In the english translation, Helen says that she is like the males, she couldn't control the impulses to Awaken.
http://i37.tinypic.com/axb0w2.jpg
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 19:05
wait... wait...
it wasn't a boy... but deneve.... that helen was with... and they both lost it... while...lol....
ROFL !!!!
the english version is way better... !!!!
WOOT WOOT !!!
HK gets the popcorn and watches helen and deneve... awaken together !!
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 19:20
Unfortunatly, I'm not finding any other scanlations or translations, except for a French one that I have trouble downloading :(
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 19:23
Now that we know Yoma flesh makes the women hornier, we only need to follow Roy Mustang's suggestion and make all female personell wear...........TINY MINISKIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oyOpxzeqlXQ
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 19:25
laughs, roy just needs to jump into any other manga for that (what manga doesn't have mini-skirt panty shots? besides FMA) .... or just take a look at (and date) Winry.... ROFL... poor ed..... now roy is dating winry !!! ROFL
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 19:29
laughs, roy just needs to jump into any other manga for that (what manga doesn't have mini-skirt panty shots? besides FMA) .... or just take a look at (and date) Winry.... ROFL... poor ed..... now roy is dating winry !!! ROFL
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj188/Freedan_269/hm.png!!!!!
Winry ain't datin Roy, she datin Ed. Roy ain't datin nobody but Risa.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 19:36
roy is never looking at risa... he's always interested in other women...
i know he loves her and he does this as deception to protect those he loves while we works within the evil state alchemists to destroy them... or the humunculous anyways
it was just a joke.. and a funny one lol ... but winry is the only girl with a short skirt, and envy don't count with his-her short shorts !!!
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-27, 19:37
roy is never looking at risa... he's always interested in other women...
i know he loves her and he does this as deception to protect those he loves while we works within the evil state alchemists to destroy them... or the humunculous anyways
it was just a joke... but winry is the only girl with a short skirt, and envy don't count !!!
Despite that, Roy never actually considered her :heh:
hmm, anyways....
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 19:40
i just thought it funny with how much ed dislikes roy.... if roy had gone after winry... soo funny... and you thought ed and roy had a fued before...
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 19:57
Now that we know Yoma flesh makes the women hornier, we only need to follow Roy Mustang's suggestion and make all female personell wear...........TINY MINISKIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oyOpxzeqlXQ
Roflmao, the animation is so wacky, what show is that :heh:
HegemonKhan
2009-10-27, 20:01
..... i don't know how to reply...
shiek, you greatly disappoint me...
how do you not know FMA.....
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 20:19
..... i don't know how to reply...
shiek, you greatly disappoint me...
how do you not know FMA.....
I'm not an anime geek Hedgemon :heh:, I can't be expected to know every single one :heh:
Shouldn't be even talking about other shows here anyway :heh:
servidor
2009-10-27, 20:31
As much as I hate to admit it, it's probrably just a mistake. In the english translation, Helen says that she is like the males, she couldn't control the impulses to Awaken.
http://i37.tinypic.com/axb0w2.jpg
I was reading my spanish volume 6, published in Mexico, and the text goes as the page posted by Mr.JB. Helen said that her experience was similar to that of a male Claymore. As he said it was a mistake, that translation was done in Spain, in Mexico we don't use "vosotros".
Shiek927
2009-10-27, 20:38
I was reading my spanish volume 6, published in Mexico, and the text goes as the page posted by Mr.JB. Helen said that her experience was similar to that of a male Claymore. As he said it was a mistake, that translation was done in Spain, in Mexico we don't use "vosotros".
Awww :(
Well, at least it brought a good laugh :D, not gonna forget this soon :p.
irvinethearcher
2009-10-28, 07:04
ROFLMAO, Unbelievable, and it's in spanish too so I can read it :heh: XDXDXD
Your translation was correct.
Man.....
At the very least, I think this is great material for a fan-fiction, I never knew Helen had skeletons in her closet :heh:
I am remembering from other discussions that this is a wrong translation.
Helen said not that she WAS with a boy but that like the boys she couldn't restrain herself;)
But it would fit to helen, i admit it :heh::heh:
Negativedark
2009-10-28, 08:36
I can just see it...
Helen- "Well there was this cute guy, and I figured If it was dark and I kept my shirt on things would be okay. Then it turns out that he's got some convienent turn on's, and it seemed like things were going to be really good..."
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 09:29
http://i35.tinypic.com/33mybs5.jpg
Okay, I'm getting that Raki saying he is from the south is a mistranslation, especially from the one posted that was in japanese, that had the characters for south and west, and the raw had the character for west in it.
But here is one more map to demonstrate some of the logic problems that exist if Raki's home town is in the south. The Cyan area is where Riful runs into the Ghosts; The Pink area is where Riful runs into Renee. Anyway, as Shieky pointed out, if Raki's town is in the south, then Riful would have traveled out of her way to a location that is even further away from her base of operations, without knowing that there would be a single digit there. Considering, that the South has been put up for destruction by the org, they might not invest too many single digits to cover it, anyway. But the big glaring problem is that after Audrey returned to the org and informed them that Riful is trying to capture single digits, especially ones good at yoki manipulation, the org first tried to send a party out to recover their eye and keep her away from riful, and then that later turned into search and information gathering mission. So the ghosts are green and Renee is Cyan. The organization is gathered in a town close to the location where Renee was at. This location is a Purple dot. Now the big problem is that Clare travels through the town where the Mib and Claymores were gathered after trying to recover Renee. If Raki's home town is in the South, then Clare would've had to travel to the south to go through it. However, we know that she traveled west, so that town is in the west, so Renee was in the west before being kidnapped.
Edit: Furthermore, it seems like Riful hasn't been in the south because 1) She doesn't know about half the towns being destroyed. 2) She doesn't know what has been happening to Isley.
Edit 2: If it is a mistranslation, that Raki says South when he really is suppose to say West, it figures that One Manga has it. :P They always seem to pic the worst versions. :(
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 11:11
interesting, but you got a few misunderstandings, gangsta.
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Lacroa is the name of the village. this is just to the left of the central land's north-south border with the western land within the western land. Lacroa is to the west of Rabona. this is the village where clare, cynthia, and yuma encounter 3 claymores, 3 MiBs, and a yoma. Yuma would decapitate (it seems like she did to me) the two MiBs, knock the 3 claymores unconscious, and throw her claymore clipping the flying-fleeing yoma's wings. Clare and cynthia kill the falling yoma, and clare grabs yuma's sword, lol. Meanwhile, Rubel, who was NOT with the other two MiBs out in the open, emerges as the 3rd MiB. He has a chat with clare, telling her that they are searching for renee and that he fears that renee has been captured by riful and that she also has captured "rafaela", and tricks clare into going to meet this "rafaela". Rubel probably knew clare would go save Renee from Riful, because she did take on Riful and Dauf earlier all on her own to save jean.
So, after Lacroa village, Clare, cynthia, and yuma head west into the huge forest where riful's 2nd castle hideout is. this huge forest also contains within it the hidden mountain valley where irene was hiding.
surrounding this huge forest is:
1. Lacroa village. (already mentioned)
2. Hanel town. a huge town which had the statues of the twin goddesses of love. this is also where the boy and girl (probably young dietrich) were. raki was looking in this town after he separated from clare due to ophelia and chatted with the boy and girl (probably young dietrich), but some time shortly after is when he got picked up by the slave traders and taken to the northen lands. after, nearly dying to ophelia, being saved by irene, taken to irene's mountain valley, rested-recovered, trained the quick sword, given irene's right arm, irene getting killed by rafaela, Clare is looking for raki in Hanel. Obviously, she missed meeting him by a great amount of time, due to what i just said happened to clare. Suddenly, Raquel stumbles into town with half her body missing, and Clare gets sidetracked from looking for raki in order to save jean from riful.
3. NEARBY Hanel, is the Zakol mountains. within the zakol mountains is a buried castle. this is riful's first hideout, when she had jean captive. galatea has been looking for clare due to her having gone missing after her ophelia mission and tracks clare down to here.
4. Gonahl / Gonal village. is ruined now from the female awakened one that was (ophelia killed it) there. this is near the castle (riful's 2nd hideout and chapters ~93-96 location) in the huge forest. clare and raki run away from ophelia a little to the north. they than split up. clare goes NE and raki is suppose to go NW. clare ends up at irene's mountain valley. Raki ends up in Hanel.
~5. (MAYBE) NEARBY goNahl / goNal village, is goDalh plateau. this is where teresa and rosemary battled. MAYBE, this is the same place as irene's mountain valley..... Irene's cottage-house might very well be on top of Rosemary's corpse (where teresa has "cleaned up" the mess, as Orsay asked her if he had)
~6. if the "incident" is the destroyer, than Ticheri village is even closer to riful's castle in the huge forest than gonahl / gonal village is (since dae n co says that Ticheri village is the nearest village to the "incident". this is the village where raki and priscilla were when the destroyer awakened-emerged and launched its huge projectiles. afterward, priscilla is gone, raki is impaled-infected with two small projectiles, and dae n co discovers raki.
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i'm in the process of trying to figure out the path of raki and priscilla's search for clare.....
i'll get back to you guys when i figured it out....
(it'll help figure out with this map location-placement debate)
We're getting fake spoilers earlier this month. :p
ジェミニ2度目の発射を准备して、プリシラつに到着し、ツインの攻撃を开始
ラキは、回复しながらされて完全に制御不能の感染で、合并の
ベス覚醒体、シンシア、ユマ人が死亡、双子を飞び回る
アリシアおよび西の深渊の人は、双子の侧に飞んだ。戦争を开始する。
远く离れたガラテア,ミリアサンフランシスコでもちょうどそのような歩行者天国に到着している 。 。 。
Gemini 2nd discharge associate 备, it arrives in [purishira], 开 begins the attack of the twin and as for [raki], while the time 复 to do, being done, with the infection of vicious, the [besu] awakening body of the combination 并, sincere, the [yuma] person dies completely, the ant shear and deeply the person of the 渊 west whom the 飞 [bi] it turns the twins 飞 are in the 侧 of the twins. War is begun 开. The 远 [ku] 离 [re] it is exactly it has arrived at that kind of pedestrians' paradise even with [garatea] and [miriasanhuranshisuko]. . .
Two translations say that Doga is in the west though, one of them being Italian which I happen to understand if anyone's forgotten. Yes, that means you Cam. When two translations say that Doga's in the west and only one says it's from the south, I tend to think that most people who can understand dat shit think Doga's in the west, and I can only rely on the majority as I'm not able to read raws. Doga might likely be near the border between the western and the southern lands, which might explain why Raki smells similar to the people from the south.
I know you understand it, Yoko. :) I needed to add a pic to prove that what I was saying about the Italian edition stating that Raki's village was in the West was true and I couldn't post it without a translation of that part, this being an English forum and all.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 11:46
I'm not sure what you are saying that I misunderstand, actually, or how that has anything to do with Clare going through a town that had 3 MIB and 3 Claymores who were at first trying to get to Renee before Riful found her, after Audrey informed the Org that Riful was looking for a yoki manipulator. The fact still remains, that after leaving Raki's home town, Renee decided to return to the Org to report 1) There is a guy walking around with a Awakened Being. 2) There is a guy walking around asking questions about a Claymore. So whether in the west or in the south, she would be heading eastward to the Org.s base. That means that Raki home town is west of her. If she was in the south, then the group of three Claymores and 3 Mib would've been in the south, but they are in the west, so she was in the west, and Raki is even more west than her. Also I think I noticed something that I started to notice before. You do know that Riful is at a different base than the base she was at in the Witch's Maw. She destroyed the first Base when she exited through the ceiling. We are given the location of the town with the Teresa and Clare statue on the first map that came with the DS game. it is to the south of her current base, so that is where her old base would've been at. Okay I was wrong about the struck out part, I don't see it on a map, ATM. But Riful had two different bases, that is for sure.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 11:49
We're getting fake spoilers early this month. :p
ジェミニ2度目の発射を准备して、プリシラつに到着し、ツインの攻撃を开始
ラキは、回复しながらされて完全に制御不能の感染で、合并の
ベス覚醒体、シンシア、ユマ人が死亡、双子を飞び回る
アリシアおよび西の深渊の人は、双子の侧に飞んだ。戦争を开始する。
远く离れたガラテア,ミリアサンフランシスコでもちょうどそのような歩行者天国に到着している 。 。 。
Gemini 2nd discharge associate 备, it arrives in [purishira], 开 begins the attack of the twin and as for [raki], while the time 复 to do, being done, with the infection of vicious, the [besu] awakening body of the combination 并, sincere, the [yuma] person dies completely, the ant shear and deeply the person of the 渊 west whom the 飞 [bi] it turns the twins 飞 are in the 侧 of the twins. War is begun 开. The 远 [ku] 离 [re] it is exactly it has arrived at that kind of pedestrians' paradise even with [garatea] and [miriasanhuranshisuko]. . .
here is the google translation of that.
ジェミニ2度目の発射を准备して、プリシラつに到着し、ツインの攻撃を开始ラキは、回复しながらされて完全 に制御不能の感染で、合并のベス覚醒体、シンシア、ユマ人が死亡、双子を飞び回るアリシアおよび西の深渊の 人は、双子の侧に飞んだ。戦争を开始する。远く离れたガラテア,ミリアサンフランシスコでもちょうどそのよ うな歩行者天国に到着している 。 。 。
Gemini and two Associate备firing a second time, arriving in Purishiratsu,开始twin attacks
Raki, the infection is completely out of control once while复,并case of
Beth waking body, Cynthia, died Thurman, the twins turn飞Bi
Alicia渊people and the depth of the West, I侧飞the twins.开始to war.
Galatea was离远Ku has arrived at just such a pedestrian in Miriasanfuranshisuko. . .
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 11:58
:p Hmm okay, I'm wrong about seeing the Teresa and Clare statue. Are there three maps by chance? Because I have could've sworn there was a map that had the teresa and clare statue on it. Anyway, D'oh! :heh:
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 12:01
here is the google translation of that.
ジェミニ2度目の発射を准备して、プリシラつに到着し、ツインの攻撃を开始ラキは、回复しながらされて完全 に制御不能の感染で、合并のベス覚醒体、シンシア、ユマ人が死亡、双子を飞び回るアリシアおよび西の深渊の 人は、双子の侧に飞んだ。戦争を开始する。远く离れたガラテア,ミリアサンフランシスコでもちょうどそのよ うな歩行者天国に到着している 。 。 。
Gemini and two Associate备firing a second time, arriving in Purishiratsu,开始twin attacks
Raki, the infection is completely out of control once while复,并case of
Beth waking body, Cynthia, died Thurman, the twins turn飞Bi
Alicia渊people and the depth of the West, I侧飞the twins.开始to war.
Galatea was离远Ku has arrived at just such a pedestrian in Miriasanfuranshisuko. . .
So soon?!?! :uhoh::twitch:
Sheesh, I figured tomorrow at the earliest. My god did this month fly by :eyespin:
Roflmao, died Thurman?, don't tell me Yuma/Uma's chinese nickname is Thurman as in Uma Thurman :heh:
This spoiler seems like a gigantic mess, but I do hope to see what happened with Alicia.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 12:06
So soon?!?! :uhoh::twitch:
Sheesh, I figured tomorrow at the earliest. My god did this month fly by :eyespin:
Roflmao, died Thurman?, don't tell me Yuma/Uma's chinese nickname is Thurman as in Uma Thurman :heh:
This spoiler seems like a gigantic mess, but I do hope to see what happened with Alicia.
well this is japanese --> english google style :) So it would be a japanese nickname if it is a nickname
So soon?!?! :uhoh::twitch:
Sheesh, I figured tomorrow at the earliest. My god did this month fly by :eyespin:
Roflmao, died Thurman?, don't tell me Yuma/Uma's chinese nickname is Thurman as in Uma Thurman :heh:
This spoiler seems like a gigantic mess, but I do hope to see what happened with Alicia.
:heh: Uma Thurman :heh:
But she had curly hair in Kill Bill 1 and it was no where near Yuma hair length.
http://www.index.hr/images2/UmaThurman_KillBill_22v.jpg
Hey, in this image she has Yuma's trademark strand of hair running down the middle of the face :p
http://www.actiongirls.us/uma-thurman-30.jpg
In Kill Bill II she did have straighter hair but it was still far shorter then Yuma's.
http://images.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2004/04/16/kill_bill_2/story.jpgIn this one her hair is kinda like Clare's hair
http://www.annuaire-web-france.com/wallpaper/cinema/Kill-Bill/Kill-Bill-image-Uma-Thurman-01.jpg
Not to mention that if the character Beatrix Kiddo became a claymore she would be a very offensive warrior. Almost to the point of lunacy. :p
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-28, 12:20
I always thought Uma Thurman would suit the part of Flora much much better. They seriously look very much alike.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 12:23
Meanwhile, Rubel, who was NOT with the other two MiBs out in the open, emerges as the 3rd MiB.
I don't know how you can tell that Rubel was not assigned to be on the search for Renee, just because he wasn't out in the open when Yuma knocked everyone out[/quote]
So, after Lacroa village, Clare, cynthia, and yuma head west into the huge forest where riful's 2nd castle hideout is. this huge forest also contains within it the hidden mountain valley where irene was hiding.
Okay, I was mistaken about you not getting that Riful had a second Castle. But like when you tell me that I am mistaken about things, you didn't list them off and All I saw was a post with a bunch of locations at it. Anyway, how do you know that this is where Irene was hiding? The place on Map #1 that shows Irene hiding is far away from there, and Clare wouldn't have traveled that path. That place works for me; I haven't seen anything that makes that map not work,yet.
surrounding this huge forest is:
1. Lacroa village. (already mentioned)
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I don't think that village, the one Clare encounters the MIB is anywhere near Irene's hidden valley
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 12:25
I always thought Uma Thurman would suit the part of Flora much much better. They seriously look very much alike.
In the kill bill 1 pic that Ryus posted she could be flora. But with the straighter hair in the Kill Bill 2 pic, she looks more like Galatea.
Oh... I didn't really get the translation of the fake spoiler... did it say both Yuma and Cynthia died? And what about the twins did they team up or something? Or did Alicia become Riful's new friend?
It to me just felt like Chap 96 continued... but that makes no sense since Yagi's been jumping almost everywhere with these last few chapters; except to Miria, Galatea, and friends :(
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Well, I think that settles it. We should have Uma Thurman play every last Claymore in the movie. We'll just give her a new body suit and hair style for each character... then digitize her voice for each of them. :p
Plus paying for only one actress who already knows how to use swords would be cheaper in the long run.
wdjuS17DGlA
Well... maybe we should have Kate Beckinsale join her in the cast. After all Uma can't duel herself. :p
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 12:50
WTF, did she just cut someone in half? With a katana? That's not even possible.
Also, lol at 2:52. Is that water? :heh:
Now I really wanna see Yuma plucking someone's eyeball out.
After all Uma can't duel herself.
I'm sure she would find a way.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 12:57
Well, I think that settles it. We should have Uma Thurman play every last Claymore in the movie. We'll just give her a new body suit and hair style for each character... then digitize her voice for each of them. :p
I approve of your choice to have Quentin Tarantino direct the live action. :D
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-28, 13:02
Okay, I was mistaken about you not getting that Riful had a second Castle. But like when you tell me that I am mistaken about things, you didn't list them off and All I saw was a post with a bunch of locations at it. Anyway, how do you know that this is where Irene was hiding? The place on Map #1 that shows Irene hiding is far away from there, and Clare wouldn't have traveled that path. That place works for me; I haven't seen anything that makes that map not work,yet.
Clare did get to the village close to Riful's hideout quite fast after her training with Irene was finished, or was that Riful's first castle?
In the kill bill 1 pic that Ryus posted she could be flora. But with the straighter hair in the Kill Bill 2 pic, she looks more like Galatea.
True, she'd be a better fit as Galatea in the end because her voice is much deeper than Flora's.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 13:05
"I don't know how you can tell that Rubel was not assigned to be on the search for Renee, just because he wasn't out in the open when Yuma knocked everyone out." -gangsta
err.. sorry for not writing enough.....
rubel, along with two other MiBs, and each of them having a single claymore (for a total of 3 claymores) are on a secret mission by the Organization to find renee, who has gone missing.
Strangely, Rubel is not with them, when Clare, Cynthia, and Yuma encounter them. Did Rubel know better.... because Yuma seems to have decapitated-killed the two MiBs (which might have included Rubel's head, had he been with them...). Yuma (rank 40) then knocks the 3 claymores unconscious, even the one that is rank 14, with ease. Yuma then throws her sword and clips the flying-fleeing yoma's wings. YOU GO YUMA !!!! LOL. Clare and Cynthia kill the falling yoma in the air, and Clare also catches yuma's sword, lol. Rubel, then emerges and has his chat with Clare. Clare, Cynthia, and Yuma head west to Riful's castle in the huge forest to rescue Renee and see what is so important about meeting Rafaela, whom Clare hardly knows..... Clare awakens the Destroyer... etc...
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"Anyway, how do you know that this is where Irene was hiding? The place on Map #1 that shows Irene hiding is far away from there, and Clare wouldn't have traveled that path. That place works for me; I haven't seen anything that makes that map not work,yet." -gangsta
after the male awakened one battle vs miria, deneve, helen, and clare:
1. Clare and raki are in an unnamed village to the south of GoNahl village. Clare is killing 3 or 4 yoma with ease.
2. just outside the village in the forest, Rubel congratulates clare, and comments that she is now strangely much more obedient (remember miria's chat with the 3 of them, to be less troublesome to the Organization).
this scene is very interesting because...
Rubel also comments about Priscilla, knowing that Clare wants her head, saying that Clare should forget it. Priscilla is too powerful, and that they already have a powerful rank 1 and 2 (Alicia and Beth), should they ever try to take on Priscilla.
this is the interesting comment....
Rubel: "Every generation has its heroes, too bad it isn't you...."
Rubel seems to be goading-teasing clare..... motivating her to become more powerful than Alicia and Beth, to be so powerful, that she can kill Priscilla, and BE THE HERO of this generation....
anyways, Rubel decides to assign clare to hunt a much more powerful awakened one. a female who was once a single digit claymore. This could possibly be Elda, from teresa's and irene's time, OR rubel is actually refering to BOTH the female awakened one and..... ophelia...., OR maybe just.... ophelia. Maybe Rubel wants to see how Clare would do against both a female awakened one, and a psycho ophelia.... Or maybe rubel just didn't know ophelia (by smelling-feeling Clare's Half Awaken scent-aura) would turn on clare and raki.
3. clare and raki head north to the ruins (the female awakened one there, destroyed it) of GoNahl village to meet the "team". Unfortunately, there's only one claymore there, for the "team", and it is ophelia. ophelia smells-feels Clare's Half Awaken scent-aura and turns on clare and raki. Ophelia does kill the female awakened one (who emerges, also, liking raki's smell-taste like many yomas and priscilla do, and maybe even clare as well...). Anyways...
4. clare and raki run away a bit to the north of goNahl village (ruins). They than separate. Clare goes NE. Raki is suppose to go NW. Presumably, the mountain valley is to the NE, because irene shows up to save clare from ophelia. Raki ends up in Hanel town. Unfortunately, we don't know if Raki actually went NW (though he probably did obey clare and go NW like he was suppose to), or which way he went to end up in Hanel town. So I don't know exactly where hanel town is, except that it is also near the huge forest.
i know this because, the manga specifically says that, BOTH Clare and Raki search the villages that are surrounding the huge forest (where they split up and lost each other). So that means Hanel town is surrounding the huge forest. there are other villages surrounding this huge forest such as the already mentioned GoNahl village (ruins), Lacroa village, and possibly Ticheri village. there's also unnamed villages around GoNahl village (ruins), because clare (with raki) comments to ophelia, that there were no good villages along the way to drop raki off at.
5A. clare is saved by irene and taken back to the mountain valley INSIDE the huge forest (the mountain valley is surrounded by a forest-trees). this is probably somewhere around an area to the NE of goNahl village (ruins) since that is the direction clare went. clare finally recovers. irene trains clare the quick sword. clare gets irene's arm. clare leaves and battles ophelia, killing ophelia. rafaela kills irene. After killing Ophelia, Clare starts looking for Raki. Clare will end up in Hanel town, unfortunately she misses meeting raki by some amount of time.
5B. Presumably, after going to the NW like Clare told him to, Raki ends up in Hanel town. Unfortunately, I have no idea where Hanel town is, except that it is next to the huge forest. Raki asks the boy and girl (possibly younger dietrich) about the statues of the twin goddesses of love, hearing one of them is called clare by the boy and girl.
6. sometime afterward, raki is captured by the slave traders and taken to the northen lands.
7. Clare arrives in Hanel town and asks around if anyone has seen raki, and hears the boy and girl (probably younger dietrich) arguining of whether clare was a man or female. Clare changes her body, so that she sounds more masculine, since she is AWOL from the Organization and needs to hide her identity by pretending to be a man, wearing a man's clothing, and now sounding much more like one too.
suddenly, an awakened one hunting party of 4 claymores show up. Jean, Raquel, Lucia (i think), and an unnamed claymore. they head off to the Zakol mountains nearby. Clare then continues to ask around Hanel town about raki. Again, clare overhears the same boy and girl (probably younger dietrich) talking about a boy who asked them about the statues some time back. Clare immediately asks them about it and smiles. Raki was here, meaning that he had survived. Now Clare just needs to find where he is now.....
Suddenly, there's screams, and Raquel with her left side missing stumbles into Hanel town, pouring blood out. Clare vows to avenge Raquel and save the other claymores, getting sidetracked from looking for raki.... GRR.
8. etc.. we know the rest...
WTF, did she just cut someone in half? With a katana? That's not even possible.
Also, lol at 2:52. Is that water? :heh:
Now I really wanna see Yuma plucking someone's eyeball out.
I'm sure she would find a way.
Did you never see Kill Bill volume 1? Even though I posted the version of the fight that didn't get into the movie... the guy being cut in half did make the final cut.
Yes... it likely was water. ;) and Yuma plucking out someone eyeball would be awesome. :D
Run like the wind Yuma! Survive! You too, Cynthia!
I approve of your choice to have Quentin Tarantino direct the live action. :D
:thinker: Who should do the music John Williams (Star Wars/Jaws/Indiana Jones) or the RZA(Kill Bill (both Volumes)/Blade: Trinity/Soul Plane)? :heh:
"I don't know how you can tell that Rubel was not assigned to be on the search for Renee, just because he wasn't out in the open when Yuma knocked everyone out." -gangsta
err.. sorry for not writing enough.....
rubel, along with two other MiBs, and each of them having a single claymore (for a total of 3 claymores) are on a secret mission by the Organization to find renee, who has gone missing.
Strangely, Rubel is not with them, when Clare, Cynthia, and Yuma encounter them. Did Rubel know better.... because Yuma seems to have decapitated-killed the two MiBs (which might have included Rubel's head, had he been with them...). Yuma (rank 40) then knocks the 3 claymores unconscious, even the one that is rank 14, with ease. Yuma then throws her sword and clips the flying-fleeing yoma's wings. YOU GO YUMA !!!! LOL. Clare and Cynthia kill the falling yoma in the air, and Clare also catches yuma's sword, lol. Rubel, then emerges and has his chat with Clare. Clare, Cynthia, and Yuma head west to Riful's castle in the huge forest to rescue Renee and see what is so important about meeting Rafaela, whom Clare hardly knows..... Clare awakens the Destroyer... etc...
:uhoh:
Yuma didn't kill them.
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000045/000077282/29.jpg
Cynthia said everyone was alive. So Yuma only knocked them out.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 13:13
Clare did get to the village close to Riful's hideout quite fast after her training with Irene was finished, or was that Riful's first castle?
But see there are several problems we have to deal with here. 1) Perception of Clare being human, giving a perception of what is a humanly reasonable distance instead of what is a Claymorely reasonable distance. And while Clare was slow to the opinions of Ophelia and the Single Digit Awakened, she was still amazingly fast from a human's perspective, blasting off into the sky like superman. I'm sure Clare covered a lot of distance quite quickly before Ophelia caught up to her. 2) 3 months span of time before Clare resurfaces in the town with the Teresa and Clare statue. How long did her fight with Ophelia last before Irene stepped in? I'd liked to say it feels like a day to me, but that is just a guess. How long did Clare recover and train with Irene? Well, Ophelia was still crawling around, before awakening around that time, so not too long. All in all from the time Clare meets Ophelia to the time that Clare kills her awakened form, it is reasonable to think it took 1 to 2 weeks maybe until she spent the rest of that time searching through various villages. Then how long does Clare stay at each village she searches? There are a lot of factors at play.
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 13:15
it to me just felt like Chap 96 continued... but that makes no sense since Yagi's been jumping almost everywhere with these last few chapters; except to Miria, Galatea, and friends
Yes, and I hope that stops.
At the very least, wrap up one group already Yagi.
I'm hoping for Claire, Helen and Deneve; all that's going on with them is fighting, so either they hopefully don't show up at all, or something important happens with them. They were such a waste of pages in 96.
Yuma and Cynthia....*sigh, I don't know how it happened, but they have this black cloud over them all of a sudden. I just hope they don't die like everyone thinks they will, but I won't be too surprised if it does.
I WILL be said though if they die, which means Tabitha actually outlived them.
.....Tabitha....
Well, Yagi HAS killed the more-popular characters in the past :(
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 13:19
:p It would be kind of mean of Yagi to reattach Yuma's leg that Clare cut off, to only have Yuma be diced up by Neko Beth. :)
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-28, 13:21
But see there are several problems we have to deal with here. 1) Perception of Clare being human, giving a perception of what is a humanly reasonable distance instead of what is a Claymorely reasonable distance. And while Clare was slow to the opinions of Ophelia and the Single Digit Awakened, she was still amazingly fast from a human's perspective, blasting off into the sky like superman. I'm sure Clare covered a lot of distance quite quickly before Ophelia caught up to her. 2) 3 months span of time before Clare resurfaces in the town with the Teresa and Clare statue. How long did her fight with Ophelia last before Irene stepped in? I'd liked to say it feels like a day to me, but that is just a guess. How long did Clare recover and train with Irene? Well, Ophelia was still crawling around, before awakening around that time, so not too long. All in all from the time Clare meets Ophelia to the time that Clare kills her awakened form, it is reasonable to think it took 1 to 2 weeks maybe until she spent the rest of that time searching through various villages. Then how long does Clare stay at each village she searches? There are a lot of factors at play.
Three months since when? Since her first round against Ophelia or her second and last? I think the most important factor here is how long did Clare's training with Irene actually last? Like you said, it couldn't have been long because from what I can remember, both Clare and Ophelia regained consciousness at around the same time. Ophelia may have still been crawling around but if the training had lasted as long as several weeks, I don't see a reason why it couldn't have lasted longer. Either way, Ophelia would've fed on people's guts while Clare was training. In any case, I don't remember it being said anywhere that Clare took 3 months to get to the twin statue town after her time in the area where Irene was staying at.
Awakened
2009-10-28, 13:25
Cynthia has plot shield, Uma is the only one in danger. The ghost has only one medic (Cynthia).
Well, Yagi HAS killed the more-popular characters in the past :(
Got me wonder... who is more popular that's been killed off... I tried to leave personal opinions off the list (example: I'm a fan of Raphaela and Luciela but they don't seem to be clearly more popular then Cynthia/Yuma with most fans, so I put them in my about as popular list.)
Dead characters clearly more popular then Cynthia/Yuma
Teresa
Jean
Isley
Rigardo
Irene (Well... she's likely dead)
Ophelia
Dead characters close to as popular then Cynthia/Yuma (aka personal preference)
Flora
Agatha
Luciela
Raphaela
Sophia
Noel
Dead characters likely less popular then Cynthia/Yuma
Undine
Single digit female AB in Gonal
Veronica
Rosemary
Hilda
Katea (and rest of Jean's hunting party in Witches Maw)
Male AB in Slayers arc
The 12 named warriors in Pieta who we never really meet
Elena
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 13:35
Cynthia has plot shield, Uma is the only one in danger. The ghost has only one medic (Cynthia).
Roflmao :heh:
Their is no such thing as a "plot shield".
Anybody could die, anybody, Claire could die before the manga ends for crying out loud.
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 13:36
People always forget the first three Awakeneds that attacked and Gaheh.
People always forget the first three Awakeneds that attacked and Gaheh.
They were clearly in the lame pile. :p
Throw into Zaki the lame pile too.
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 13:45
They were clearly in the lame pile. :p
An Awakened Being that attacked alone an army of Claymores because they were hot it's on my awesome pile.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-28, 13:51
An Awakened Being that attacked alone an army of Claymores because they were hot it's on my awesome pile.
I agree :heh:
An Awakened Being that attacked alone an army of Claymores because they were hot it's on my awesome pile.
:rolleyes: :heh:
I thought it was cause he was a hot head... not horny. Once he actually arrived he joked about them being hot though but I don't recall him saying there must be hot women over in Pieta and that's why he must go. He and the yoki manipulator did seem bent on turning them... though the other one, the bug AB, seemed more bent on believing/saying how powerful he was.
Your right though, the best AB of the 3 wasn't really shown at all. Since he was fighting Miria's team. I would have loved to see him throwing taunts at Miria, plus saying how hot she was. That would have been awesome. :D
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 14:03
:rolleyes: :heh:
I thought it was cause he was a hot head... not horny. Once he actually arrived he joked about them being hot though but I don't recall him saying there must be hot women over in Pieta and that's why he must go.
In the anime, he says something like this
"There is a bunch of cute girls standing in front of us. We can't return without at least saying helo."
Your right though, the best AB of the 3 wasn't really shown at all. Since he was fighting Miria's team. I would have loved to see him throwing taunts at Miria, plus saying how hot she was. That would have been awesome. :D
That would have been so much better. The Yoki-manipulator was so boring and only the presence of Clare, Deneve and Flora redeemed that figth.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-28, 14:05
Competition for my group of hot girls goes on the Lame pile :) They're enemies to me. :heh:
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 14:08
Sadly, that's the reason why most fans hate the male cast of Claymore.
In the anime, he says something like this
"There is a bunch of cute girls standing in front of us. We can't return without at least saying helo."
:heh:
Your such a "stick with the manga guy" that I didn't think that's what you meant. I recall that from the English dub but was it in the Japanese version?
I always thought that his fight with Miria was likely the best of the 3. Too bad Yagi didn't include it... hopefully his reasoning wasn't "that be too many plot lines at one time..." since just look at the last few chapter :(
That would have been so much better. The Yoki-manipulator was so boring and only the presence of Clare, Deneve and Flora redeemed that figth.
Agreed!
Though Undine almost ruined it with her presence... Though Yagi redeemed her latter with Deneve.
Now, you got me wanting more Flora scenes... :(
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 15:08
TWO NEW MAPS UP !!!
on my public profile
(the two new ones are the maps of the posted map that gangsta was using. look at the two of them with the colored lines drawn in)
Creangeru
2009-10-28, 15:46
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1899/rawmangaclaymorev10143c.jpg
Translator needed. :cool:
FYI, 西 = west and 南 = south :eyespin:
I am Raki. My home town is DOGA in the western lands.
Literally: Home town is Doga in the lands of the west.
Still bothers me how they can translate the whole manga and then make a mistake like switching 南 in for 西。
I loved Undine in the Yoki-manipulator fight!
She was cursing and spiting at him although was stronger than her :frustrated:
I was laughing while she was pissing him of :heh:
To me she is more popular then Cynthia/Yuma :D
Galatea33
2009-10-28, 16:04
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/Map-1.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/hramtz.jpg
please apologize for the poor quality :uhoh:, plus the size is a bit tricky :uhoh:
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 16:11
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/Map-1.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/hramtz.jpg
please apologize for the poor quality :uhoh:, plus the size is a bit tricky :uhoh:
What a fantastic effort Galatea!! :D
Poor quality or not, you're getting rep points from me, that's for sure :p
Galatea33
2009-10-28, 16:15
Thanks.... :heh: but that's actually for a friendly favor asked by Gangsta..
tbh, I would rather slack off in my bed with my pen n papers :p
:heh: I dun deserve it really :heh:
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 16:25
Thanks.... :heh: but that's actually for a friendly favor asked by Gangsta..
tbh, I would rather slack off in my bed with my pen n papers :p
:heh: I dun deserve it really :heh:
Can't give it to you right now anyway, gotta spread more points around as usual :frustrated:
clarakiss~
2009-10-28, 16:33
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7898/worldmapclaymoredsgw7.jpg http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/Map-1.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/hramtz.jpg
please apologize for the poor quality :uhoh:, plus the size is a bit tricky :uhoh:
i see latea's working very hard being quite helpful with the maps! ^^; a truly dedicated forum member working bee indeed!
you do deserves some rep points, like shieky said! :p
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 16:42
nice work galatea, though my poor eyes have trouble dealing with the "double layer" map as a "single layer" map, lol
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however, the two maps' western land's locations just physically can't be right, according to the content in the manga.
i'm too tired of re-listing the reasons again and again...
I'm bored and the Spoilers have started to show up. To me that means it's time for a poll to get us focused on the next chapter. :D
Poll Time
Poll #1
What will happen to Cynthia and Yuma? And Riful/Duff?
A) We won't know, they won't be in next chapter (state who if you believe only one group won't be shown... Cynthia/Yuma or Riful/Duff)
B) Alicia attacks her sister Beth and saves both of them in the nick of time
C) Alicia attacks her sister Beth and saves Cynthia in the nick of time... Yuma doesn't make it
D) Alicia attacks her sister Beth and saves Yuma in the nick of time... Cynthia doesn't make it
E) Alicia attacks her sister Beth but fails to get there in time both Cynthia and Yuma die
F) Beth takes over Alicia's mind both are about to kill everything in sight when... Cynthia, Yuma, Riful and Duff are all killed (if you believe one or two will survive, say modified F in your response)
G) Beth takes over Alicia's mind both are about to kill everything in sight when... Cynthia, Yuma, Riful and Duff all saved by Miria's groups arrival (Miria, Miata, Galatea, Clarice, and Tabitha). Riful agrees to help if Cynthia heals her... Cynthia does to the limit of her weakened state (if you believe one or two will die before Miria shows up, say modified G in your response)
H) Beth takes over Alicia's mind both are about to kill everything in sight when... Priscilla shows up, she's looking for help to take down The Destroyer... She kills both sisters in mere moments but shows sings of weakening. Cynthia does what she can for Riful and/or Priscilla to the limit of her weakened state. (if you believe one or two will die before Priscilla shows up, say modified H in your response)
I) Cynthia/Yuma are both survive but are knocked out by the debris... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is saved Alicia.
J) Cynthia/Yuma are both survive but are knocked out by the debris... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is killed by Alicia.
K) Cynthia/Yuma one dies and the other is knocked out by the debris (say who in you response)... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is saved Alicia.
L) Cynthia/Yuma one dies and the other is knocked out by the debris (say who in you response)... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is killed by Alicia.
M) Cynthia/Yuma run for it and escape... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
N) Cynthia/Yuma are knocked out by debris... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
O) Cynthia/Yuma one or both are killed... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
P) Other: _____________________________________
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 18:46
Modified F, Cynthia and Yuma survive.:D Riful and Dauf die.
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 18:49
Dauf dies, Riful and Alicia leave the battle-scene together. Cynthia and Yuma survive.
Modified F, Cynthia and Yuma survive.:D
I was wondering what you'd pick but I knew your choice would have Riful/Duff dying. :p
Dauf dies, Riful and Alicia leave the battle-scene together. Cynthia and Yuma survive.
So... modified M?
M) Cynthia/Yuma run for it and escape... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
The differences in your choice from the poll are Duff dies and Riful gains control of Alicia quicker...
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 19:02
So... modified M?
Roflmao, too many choices, it's overwhelming :heh:
Well, I find it hard to believe Dauf is still alive, not to mention I hate him(Roflmao) and I can't believe he's lasted this long as it is.
However, I don't think Alicia means any harm to Riful and intends to ally with her. Sensible as neither of them are much by themselves with all these new forces. Seems like the logical outcome.
So... modified M?
The differences in your choice from the poll are Duff dies and Riful gains control of Alicia quicker...
Accusing MisterJB of bias against Riful has its uses I suppose. But it's a little bit like calling the kettle black. Ah...when will we all learn to let him just rant and provide leading polling questions when he feels like it?
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 19:19
Accusing MisterJB of bias against Riful has its uses I suppose.
When did I ever try to deny I had a huge bias against the B*tch of the West?
It's something I'm rather proud of.
Ah...when will we all learn to let him just rant and provide leading polling questions when he feels like it?
...
What?:eyebrow:
Roflmao, too many choices, it's overwhelming :heh:
You should see some of the other polls I've made... :heh:
I've always tried to stop by letter Z but sometimes I fail.
Current Poll (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2735075#post2735075) for those who need a reference...
Well, I find it hard to believe Dauf is still alive, not to mention I hate him(Roflmao) and I can't believe he's lasted this long as it is.
However, I don't think Alicia means any harm to Riful and intends to ally with her. Sensible as neither of them are much by themselves with all these new forces. Seems like the logical outcome.
Most agree on the point of Alicia intentions with Riful but a few people think Beth still controls Alicia.
Accusing MisterJB of bias against Riful has its uses I suppose. But it's a little bit like calling the kettle black.
:uhoh:
@Revan5 your quoting my response to Shiek not JB :heh: but I got what you meant.
Ah...when will we all learn to let him just rant and provide leading polling questions when he feels like it?
Now he's on to us Revan5 :p
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 19:25
1. on the side of the last page of chapter 96, it asks, "is there a way to destroy the core issue (destroyer itself)?". possible foreshadowing, so i think very soon, the destroyer itself is going to get attacked... by who (or how many "whos" involved), i'm not sure.
2. i think riful and dauf should die.... they've been around way too long (even before the manga in chapter 1, lol). no idea whether they are going to die or not, though.
3. i'm not sure about alicia and beth. They did stop to inform the MiBs that the destroyer has been put on their threat list along with their orders to kill riful. So, they do have some intelligence and can think on their own. Therefore, Alicia or Beth inside alicia's body could have decided to help riful and dauf. though, alicia's body did "start" to de-awaken... so not sure what is going to happen. no idea about beth, if she-beth actually has control of her own body or not....
4. i can't see miria not coming to help-save her comrades, so i think she (and tabatha) will come to the destroyer's area.
5. i'm not sure about galatea, miata, and clarice though. galatea may not be interested any longer with anything other than directly keeping the holy city Rabona safe. So she may not leave the city. Also, miria, may not want miata and clarice to come as well. Miata being so young, could awaken and miria doesn't need this, another problem to deal with. clarice is too weak and inexperienced to participate is such a hardcore battle. but, maybe all three of them come anyways with miria and tabatha teo help out against the destroyer and/or help out cynthia and yuma against beth's body.
6. the last thing cynthia said was to run, as beth's body destroys the rock land around them. So, i'm not sure if cynthia and yuma started to run away or got trapped under the rock rubble or dead or fighting or whatever.
7. i think priscilla is headed for the destroyer itself.
8. clare alone is probably going to head to the destroyer itself.
9. Deneve and Helen are going to go back to cynthia and yuma, and save-help them against beth's body.
10. there's going to be soooo muuuuch yokiiiii released at the destroyer's location (clare, priscilla, and the destroyer, whose alone is far more than riful or isley) that it destroys the world. j/k !!!!!!!!
MisterJB
2009-10-28, 19:27
:uhoh:
Now he's on to us Revan5 :p
I'm...really not. I'm even kinda lost rigth now.:p
1. on the side of the last page of chapter 96, it asks, "is there a way to destroy the core issue (destroyer itself)?". possible foreshadowing, so i think very soon, the destroyer itself is going to get attacked... by who (or how many "whos" involved), i'm not sure.
2. i think riful and dauf should die.... they've been around way too long (even before the manga in chapter 1, lol). no idea whether they are going to die or not, though.
3. i'm not sure about alicia and beth. They did stop to inform the MiBs that the destroyer has been put on their threat list along with their orders to kill riful. So, they do have some intelligence and can think on their own. Therefore, Alicia or Beth inside alicia's body could have decided to help riful and dauf. though, alicia's body did "start" to de-awaken... so not sure what is going to happen. no idea about beth, if she-beth actually has control of her own body or not....
What's your guess with Cynthia and Yuma? They are tied up in the Alicia/Beth angle.
When did I ever try to deny I had a huge bias against the B*tch of the West?
It's something I'm rather proud of.
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What?:eyebrow:
Don't worry JB. Since we're both on Miria's side, feel free to rant about hating Riful. I too think she can be aggravating. So you go right ahead and ask us all the loaded poll questions you want. You won't see me questioning your motives, unlike some other people...
:uhoh:
@Revan5 your quoting my response to Shiek not JB :heh: but I got what you meant.
Now he's on to us Revan5 :p
:rolleyes:
I was unaware that MisterJB's reach extended outside of cyberspace and Portugal. But then again, he did say he was an amateur soccer player trying to go pro (oh, sorry JB, futbol player), so maybe he's a world traveler that'll be coming to "check in" with those forum members who really give him problems. But not to worry...even if he were to riddle New Jersey with bullet holes in his hunt for Shiek, nobody would notice the difference...;)
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 19:43
1. on the side of the last page of chapter 96, it asks, "is there a way to destroy the core issue (destroyer itself)?". possible foreshadowing, so i think very soon, the destroyer itself is going to get attacked... by who (or how many "whos" involved), i'm not sure.
2. i think riful and dauf should die.... they've been around way too long (even before the manga in chapter 1, lol). no idea whether they are going to die or not, though.
3. i'm not sure about alicia and beth. They did stop to inform the MiBs that the destroyer has been put on their threat list along with their orders to kill riful. So, they do have some intelligence and can think on their own. Therefore, Alicia or Beth inside alicia's body could have decided to help riful and dauf. though, alicia's body did "start" to de-awaken... so not sure what is going to happen. no idea about beth, if she-beth actually has control of her own body or not....
4. i can't see miria not coming to help-save her comrades, so i think she (and tabatha) will come to the destroyer's area.
5. i'm not sure about galatea, miata, and clarice though. galatea may not be interested any longer with anything other than directly keeping the holy city Rabona safe. So she may not leave the city. Also, miria, may not want miata and clarice to come as well. Miata being so young, could awaken and miria doesn't need this, another problem to deal with. clarice is too weak and inexperienced to participate is such a hardcore battle. but, maybe all three of them come anyways with miria and tabatha teo help out against the destroyer and/or help out cynthia and yuma against beth's body.
6. the last thing cynthia said was to run, as beth's body destroys the rock land around them. So, i'm not sure if cynthia and yuma started to run away or got trapped under the rock rubble or dead or fighting or whatever.
7. i think priscilla is headed for the destroyer itself.
8. clare alone is probably going to head to the destroyer itself.
9. Deneve and Helen are going to go back to cynthia and yuma, and save-help them against beth's body.
10. there's going to be soooo muuuuch yokiiiii released at the destroyer's location (clare, priscilla, and the destroyer, whose alone is far more than riful or isley) that it destroys the world. j/k !!!!!!!! no idea what's going to happen if/when clare meets priscilla along with the destroyer to deal with as well.
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 19:51
Most agree on the point of Alicia intentions with Riful but a few people think Beth still controls Alicia.
Find that hard to believe considering her current state; it's partly why I think Alicia went to help Riful, because Beth wanted to have someone who could take care of her once she fully awakens.
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Roflmao, Revan, you really confused me :heh:
When was MisterJB ranting, and when was I accusing him of anything? :heh:
I think I'll be okay, lots of places to hide in New Jersey :heh:
9. Deneve and Helen are going to go back to cynthia and yuma, and save-help them against beth's body.
There's a thought I never had. Clare's group breaking up... But how will the exhausted Helen be of any help and not a hindrance? Plus what can Deneve do against HellCat Beth?
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 19:59
11. actually... just thought of something.....
priscilla isn't going to know who clare is (unless the manga turns into the anime...), except she knows that raki is desparately trying to find this "clare". Priscilla may very well be the one (not renee or dietrich) to inform clare about raki, should priscilla meet clare.
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not sure... but they are definately too tired to go with clare to kill the destroyer itself...
maybe clare and deneve and helen all retreat-regroup back with cynthia and yuma, and they save cynthia and yuma from beth's body and maybe kill it.
Find that hard to believe considering her current state; it's partly why I think Alicia went to help Riful, because Beth wanted to have someone who could take care of her once she fully awakens.
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Roflmao, Revan, you really confused me :heh:
When was MisterJB ranting, and when was I accusing him of anything? :heh:
I think I'll be okay, lots of places to hide in New Jersey :heh:
No see Shiek, you've got a built-up history of disagreeing (a lot) with JB. It's sort of like how JB and I got into a long-ass argument with Claire lovers over Miria. It was so "traumatic" that Hegie's still nursing the Force Lightning char I gave him on his heiny from that one...
Then he had to go make me regret it by switching sides and defending Miria...
(It was humor Hegie)
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 20:02
...huh...
i don't know about being traumatized.... but, i'm certainly missing something here... revan...
"Hegie's still nursing the Force Lightning char I gave him on his heiny from that one... " -revan
....HK is lost....
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 20:04
No see Shiek, you've got a built-up history of disagreeing (a lot) with JB. It's sort of like how JB and I got into a long-ass argument with Claire lovers over Miria. It was so "traumatic" that Hegie's still nursing the Force Lightning char I gave him on his heiny from that one...
Then he had to go make me regret it by switching sides and defending Miria...
Roflmao, I do not!!! :heh:
Honestly, I don't disagree with JB too much. If anything, the person I disagree with ALOT is Gangsta, 90% of the time we're on different sides.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 20:07
i know it is humor... but i'm not getting it... V.V
HK doesn't like it when there's humor-jokes and he don't get them being unable to laugh..
pouts sullenly (or is it sulkingly... meh whatever)
i know it is humor... but i'm not getting it... V.V
HK doesn't like it when there's humor-jokes and he don't get them being unable to laugh..
pouts sullenly (or is it sulkingly... meh whatever)
Hegie...think about it. I was inferring, being the resident "Dark Lord of Animesuki", that I am Sith. Thus when you got into a debate with me over Miria I supposedly 'did' the natural Sith thing and fried your behind with (virtual) Force Lightning. From now on just assume it's a Star Wars joke and you'll be alright.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 20:14
ah, okay, now i get it... thanks for the hot buns!!! HK is now uber hawt with all the ladies !!
sorry, but i'm not that fanatical a fan of star wars as i am of claymore.
(only seen the 6 movies of star wars, and that's it. so that's all i know about star wars)
(only seen the 6 movies of star wars, and that's it. so that's all i know about star wars)
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/hmpf.gif
:nono: There's only 2 1/2 movies and some neat clips. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6312/hmlolkz3.png
The ewoks and prequels don't exist. They're created by a replacement Lucas.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 20:29
laughs... i'll leave you fanatical fans to debate star wars.
i'm busy enough with claymore, hehe.
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 20:39
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/hmpf.gif
:nono: There's only 2 1/2 movies and some neat clips. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6312/hmlolkz3.png
The ewoks and prequels don't exist. They're created by a replacement Lucas.
:eyebrow: You don't like Return of the Jedi? :uhoh::twitch::eyespin:
OK, back to Claymore...
I'm bored and the Spoilers have started to show up. To me that means it's time for a poll to get us focused on the next chapter. :D
Poll Time
Poll #1
What will happen to Cynthia and Yuma? And Riful/Duff?
A) We won't know, they won't be in next chapter (state who if you believe only one group won't be shown... Cynthia/Yuma or Riful/Duff)
B) Alicia attacks her sister Beth and saves both of them in the nick of time
C) Alicia attacks her sister Beth and saves Cynthia in the nick of time... Yuma doesn't make it
D) Alicia attacks her sister Beth and saves Yuma in the nick of time... Cynthia doesn't make it
E) Alicia attacks her sister Beth but fails to get there in time both Cynthia and Yuma die
F) Beth takes over Alicia's mind both are about to kill everything in sight when... Cynthia, Yuma, Riful and Duff are all killed (if you believe one or two will survive, say modified F in your response)
G) Beth takes over Alicia's mind both are about to kill everything in sight when... Cynthia, Yuma, Riful and Duff all saved by Miria's groups arrival (Miria, Miata, Galatea, Clarice, and Tabitha). Riful agrees to help if Cynthia heals her... Cynthia does to the limit of her weakened state (if you believe one or two will die before Miria shows up, say modified G in your response)
H) Beth takes over Alicia's mind both are about to kill everything in sight when... Priscilla shows up, she's looking for help to take down The Destroyer... She kills both sisters in mere moments but shows sings of weakening. Cynthia does what she can for Riful and/or Priscilla to the limit of her weakened state. (if you believe one or two will die before Priscilla shows up, say modified H in your response)
I) Cynthia/Yuma are both survive but are knocked out by the debris... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is saved Alicia.
J) Cynthia/Yuma are both survive but are knocked out by the debris... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is killed by Alicia.
K) Cynthia/Yuma one dies and the other is knocked out by the debris (say who in you response)... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is saved Alicia.
L) Cynthia/Yuma one dies and the other is knocked out by the debris (say who in you response)... Beth moves on. Riful/Duff is killed by Alicia.
M) Cynthia/Yuma run for it and escape... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
N) Cynthia/Yuma are knocked out by debris... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
O) Cynthia/Yuma one or both are killed... Beth moves on. Alicia is fighting for her mind... Beth is trying to influences her, at the same time Riful tries to talk to Alicia. Then realizes she doesn't have much of a mind and decides she is what she's been looking for. Riful tries to convince Alicia to awaken so she can negate the effects of her sister. Beth shows up.
P) Other: _____________________________________
I'm going with P... (Yeah, I know the irony... I made the poll but I'm picking other :p)
Cynthia and Yuma survive the first attack by Beth. They're saved by Alicia but because Alicia attacked Beth but because she severed there connection and Beth sensed it. Beth disappears leaving Cythina/Yuma wondering WTF... They can now sense Beth attacking someone in the distance. (They still don't have full sensing capabilities... yet.)
They arrive to find a girl about to flee dragging someone from Alicia's and Beth's fight but pay almost no attention to her... they are focused on Alicia who is seems to be stuck in her awakening... kinda like Clare in Pieta it's due to her focus on Beth. Yuma states the connection... The girl, clearly Riful, hears it and stops and demands an explanation. That's when Cynthia realizes who they're near... Riful of the West. One of them tells her for fear of there lives. Riful seems to be contemplating killing them anyways... that's when Cynthia offers her a minor heal in exchange to escape... she sensed her thoughts and knowing they there chances of taking her are slim. So she offered her something else.
Riful realizes that if she accepts this she can help Alicia and possibly beat Beth. Therefore gaining her needed ally. She accepts, healing starts... End of chapter... at least involving them. :p
What you all think of my crazy idea? I think it could fit into half a chapter...
:eyebrow: You don't like Return of the Jedi? :uhoh::twitch::eyespin:
It had a good space battle :p, plus a cool design for Jabba.
I worshiped it as a kid... but grew out of Jedi and into Empire Strikes Back
Negativedark
2009-10-28, 21:10
I certainaly don't want Cynthia and Yuma to die. I supose that's a sign that Yagi is doing something right. Hell, If Yuma dies, what am I going to do for my Sig? Plus I was hoping all the ghosts would make it to the assualt on the Org. Sigh, but sooner or later somebodies going to die, especially with something like the destroyer running around.
I certainaly don't want Cynthia and Yuma to die. I supose that's a sign that Yagi is doing something right. Hell, If Yuma dies, what am I going to do for my Sig? Plus I was hoping all the ghosts would make it to the assualt on the Org. Sigh, but sooner or later somebodies going to die, especially with something like the destroyer running around.
:confused: What do you mean... What do you do? :confused:
Look at me! I still have a Raphaela avatar... she died quite a few chapters ago and now her body (merged with her sister's body) is wiping out the islands population. So when she died, I honored her memory and kept my avatar.
DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT by Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 21:36
i'm going to make a guess though that cynthia and yuma do NOT die.
that just wouldn't make sense to me, though i've no idea what's going to happen or how in the scene with them and beth's body (unless they are already running away, lol)
unfortunately, maybe they are too tired (cynthia) or too slow (yuma) to run away......
but i still feel that they are NOT going to die... somehow...
Shiek927
2009-10-28, 21:48
I don't even really know how the theory even started, I wake up one day and people think they will die :heh:
I guess everyone just thinks that at least one member of the Ghosts will die and that it can't be Helen, Claire or Deneve because we've known them for so long, so they're picking on Cynthia and Yuma...
I can understand the possibility, but the reasoning is silly, since no character is "safer" then any other. Anything can happen at any time.
However, I think with what we've seen with everything with Isley, Yagi must REALLY like Helen and Deneve otherwise they would be dead by now with all the chaos they got themselves into. As for Claire, she's a wild card but I doubt anything big will happen to her until we're closer to the end.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-28, 23:16
well, miria, deneve, helen, and clare are clearly special, the big 4 main good characters. And are the only Half Awakens.
if norihiro kills off miria, helen, and deneve i'll be shocked.....
raki was always the support character, now he seems to be possibly given the role as the final boss... or something... else...
priscilla has always been the antagonist, but has now been given some redemption, so some readers have been thinking she's changed her role.... and is no longer the antagonist.
the Organization, seemed noble and righteous at first, but now we know it is evil or at the very least questionable.
well, miria, deneve, helen, and clare are clearly special, the big 4 main good characters. And are the only Half Awakens.
Jean just turned over in her grave and now Clare's coming after you. :p:upset::p
Now... joking aside, I assumed you meant only half awakened still alive and not in total. In which case you are correct but the way you worded it is dead wrong.
Also Alicia may join there line up... but well find out on that soon enough. :D
Jean just turned over in her grave and now Clare's coming after you. :p:upset::p
Now... joking aside, I assumed you meant only half awakened still alive and not in total. In which case you are correct but the way you worded it is dead wrong.
Also Alicia may join there line up... but well find out on that soon enough. :D
My wild guess is that Riful, Alicia and the Ghosts may be partnering out of necessity very soon. There's no way to survive if they fight on their own and this Hellcat Beth takes them out one at a time. Worse still, if the Hellcat were to take over Alicia, then it'd be all over for Riful, who's as good as dead if Alicia turns on her anyways. Perhaps what Raphaela was talking about was Claire not being so single-minded and accepting the help when she needed it, even if it was from an Abyssal One.
One wonders, if Claire meets up with Riful again, what kind of conversation they'll have. I assume Claire may now try to defuse the situation before Riful attacks her. Maybe Yuma or Cynthia will function as a sort of diplomat/hostage to get Riful and Claire to stop their dispute. Of course, there is that small issue of the Ghosts' real purpose being to take down the Organization and their unparalleled knowledge of the Organization.
As to how Riful would react to that kind of information, now THAT would be intriguing...
As to how Riful would react to that kind of information, now THAT would be intriguing...
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/nfandom/whatthefuck.gif I want to see that! And watch Duff fail to understand what was said! http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/nfandom/whatthefuck.gif
Then have Helen call him a dumbass! :p:D:p
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 00:22
Roflmao, I do not!!! :heh:
Honestly, I don't disagree with JB too much. If anything, the person I disagree with ALOT is Gangsta, 90% of the time we're on different sides.
I agree with that, thought 90% of the time someone uses a number like 90% or 95% they're just pulling that number out from where the sun don't shine. :D
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 00:24
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/hmpf.gif
:nono: There's only 2 1/2 movies and some neat clips. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6312/hmlolkz3.png
The ewoks and prequels don't exist. They're created by a replacement Lucas.
Ah finally, a true Star Wars Fan, Also all the Special Edition version are crap; that was the first time I started losing faith in Lucas. :P Hans shoots first damn it!
Ah finally, a true Star Wars Fan, Also all the Special Edition version are crap; that was the first time I started losing faith in Lucas. :P Hans shoots first damn it!
Thanks! :D
:frustrated: Don't remind me of the Special Edition! :frustrated:
There are other bad parts, one that comes to mind is in Empire Special Edition... when Vader's goes back to his ship after leaving Cloud City the shuttle docking is a stolen clip from Jedi. :(
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Back to Claymore...
and Revan's Idea of the ghosts telling Riful about the mainland... I wonder if Yagi will skip the explanation and just go to Riful's reaction... Or if Yagi have the ghosts give the explanation again (but quicker) and have Riful explain what it was like in those early times... or both, skip retelling then have Riful react to it then have Miria ask her about those early times to get some more confirmation.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 01:02
I'm bored and the Spoilers have started to show up. To me that means it's time for a poll to get us focused on the next chapter. :D
Poll Time
Poll #1
What will happen to Cynthia and Yuma? And Riful/Duff?
Cynthia and Yuma. I think Yuma's chances are greater than Cynthia's only because Yuma just got healed, her leg reattached, after having it cut of by Clare -- with friends like her... It would just seem kinda cruel to have Yuma's leg get cut off then have Cynthia reattach it, only to have one of the twins slice Yuma up with their chainsaws. Then again Yagi is a very cruel man. Cynthia is also a very useful Claymore to have around. If Renee is still alive Cynthia might survive just to heal the old girl. I'd like to say Cynthia and Yuma will survive, but Yagi has seemed too kind lately.
Riful will survive, leading for my prediction of the week that JB is going to throw a fit. :heh: Dauf might die much to the pleasure of our feathered colleague . Alicia will be Riful's Child. Beth is not going to die this chapter, and she is either one of those mindless cat girls, or like some suggested it is possible that she awakened just in time and merged with the parasite to become something new.
Cynthia and Yuma. I think Yuma's chances are greater than Cynthia's only because Yuma just got healed, her leg reattached, after having it cut of by Clare -- with friends like her... It would just seem kinda cruel to have Yuma's leg get cut off then have Cynthia reattach it, only to have one of the twins slice Yuma up with their chainsaws. Then again Yagi is a very cruel man. Cynthia is also a very useful Claymore to have around. If Renee is still alive Cynthia might survive just to heal the old girl. I'd like to say Cynthia and Yuma will survive, but Yagi has seemed too kind lately.
Riful will survive, leading for my prediction of the week that JB is going to throw a fit. :heh: Dauf might die much to the pleasure of our feathered colleague . Alicia will be Riful's Child. Beth is not going to die this chapter, and she is either one of those mindless cat girls, or like some suggested it is possible that she awakened just in time and merged with the parasite to become something new.
Now I can't wait for JB's reaction to this post and Chapter 97... :p
Nah... Beth totally lost her mind! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Goobidy/Smilies/emotawesomepm9.gif
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 07:36
I don't want to believe that Riful's gonna die, but if Alicia still has a shred of her human consciousness left in her, she will attack Riful, who'se in too bad a shape to be fighting anyone right now. Her chances seem pretty low, as do Cynthia's and Yuma's. Clare and the others can't go to them for help if they're gonna be busy with the hellcats.
N.B.: My gut instinct tells me Priscilla's gonna come and help the ghosts.
MisterJB
2009-10-29, 08:49
Don't worry, Riful ain't gonna die. Claymore is a dark manga and few good things happen in it.
Negativedark
2009-10-29, 08:58
Ah finally, a true Star Wars Fan, Also all the Special Edition version are crap; that was the first time I started losing faith in Lucas. :P Hans shoots first damn it!
Greedo shooting first may actually have been done in order to keep the rating from getting moved up a notch.
*best advertisement impression ON* That's right ladies and gentlemen, chapter 97 is a Claymore "Mortality Sale". Everyone must GO GO GO!!! *impression OFF*
It's corny, but hey.....
Scene starts with the trio (Clare, Helen and Deneve) trying to get as far away from the arc of projectiles. They suddenly felt the presence of enormous Yoki emanating from their front and they saw a small girl (Priscilla?) running from an awakened Alicia.
Scene changes to Mutant Beth attacking Yuma and Cynthia. They are in dire situation and Cynthia told Yuma to run for it. While Cynthia (arm and some leg missing) decides to awaken in an attempt to delay time for Yuma to escape. Yuma rush forward to stop Cynthia. (Oh my goddess please let this be real) - Suddenly from the heavens, Phantom Miria and Galeatea intercepts Beth attacks while Tabitha and Dietrich? (or Miata or someone) attacks mutant Beth from behind.
Scene change back to trio
The trio were hesitant to act due to heat? (dont understand...) Just when awakened Alicia is about to finish off small girl, the Organization retrieval unit tranquillizes Alicia and stopped her movement. The men in Black present questioned the identity of the Trio. The Trio flees and the scene ends with MIB awakening!! - (should be fake :() .
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 11:14
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4296/gonahlmap.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/gonahlmap.jpg/)
Well, I worked on another map to explain the possible location of Gonahl and the path Clare and Raki could've traveled after fleeing Ophelia. Anyway, Clare traveled North to get to Gonahl from some village were she killed a few yoma at. Once at Gonhal, like Hegey says and the scanlation confirms, Clare and Raki flee Ophelia by heading north into a forest. At some point Clare and Raki split up, and according to the translation on One Manga (hope it is right), Clare heads North East and Raki Heads North West. Anyway, North of the Forest is a Mountain Range which I like to think Riful lives in, though she could very well live in the Mountain Range Irene lives in. On the possible path that Raki takes, he has forest to one side, and mountains to the other, and there are probably a few villages on that path the lie between the forest and the mountains.
Anyway, using these instructions from the manga, so far, the map that people said Yagi drew still makes works.
Makes sense Gangsta.
So does Rakis path end where the town where little Dietrich is ,and also Rifuls first castle?
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 11:32
I agree with that, thought 90% of the time someone uses a number like 90% or 95% they're just pulling that number out from where the sun don't shine.
How about just ALL THE TIME then smart guy :heh:
Ah finally, a true Star Wars Fan, Also all the Special Edition version are crap; that was the first time I started losing faith in Lucas. :P Hans shoots first damn it!
I don't know if I would call someone who doesn't like Return of the Jedi a "true Star Wars" fan...
There are other bad parts, one that comes to mind is in Empire Special Edition... when Vader's goes back to his ship after leaving Cloud City the shuttle docking is a stolen clip from Jedi.
You know, I noticed that too, weird.
Their are a FEW good things about the Special Edition, but overall, I prefer the 90's VHS and Boba's original voice.
(No more Star Wars talk now :heh:)
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Mosmos...that's a well-written translation.....too well.
In my experience, when-ever I read a translation that's written-well but too good(bad actually) to be true, it ends up happening. Sounds silly but it's the truth.
I hope it doesn't happen, because it just sounds messy to me, really really messy. Too much jumping around and things happening out of nowhere. I mean, Alicia? What happened to Riful?
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 11:49
Makes sense Gangsta.
So does Rakis path end where the town where little Dietrich is ,and also Rifuls first castle?
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4657/rifulsmountains.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/rifulsmountains.jpg/)
I like to think of these mountains as the mountain range that Riful lives in, but again, it is also totally possible that she lives in Irene's mountain range that the forest goes between of. Anyway, I don't know exactly where the town with the Teresa and Clare Statue is at. I think it is somewhere between the forest and Riful's mountain range. So it could be there right as soon as Raki first gets to those mountains or further on if he keeps traveling. Also, I don't know how far Clare traveled north before those two split. To be honest, I would've preferred it if Clare would've went NW and raki NE, but my job is not to argue with Yagi's map but to look at it in a way so that it makes sense in context to the story. :) That is the approach I usually take: Yagi is right, reexamine things when something new is added so that there are no plot holes, and that is probably what Yagi meant to do.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 12:50
If Raki started going North-West too after he got out of the forest at the end of that blue path. Still, I believe that by the end of Clare's road, her and Raki's path should've crossed at some point because Clare did end up somewhere Raki was before.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-29, 16:58
riful was VERY VERY VERY VERY PEEVED (mad-angry) at the claymores-ghosts.....
clare n ghosts tricked and embarassed riful
renee tricked and embarrased riful
Riful will NEVER ally with the ghosts or renee.
riful was VERY VERY VERY VERY PEEVED (mad-angry) at the claymores-ghosts.....
clare n ghosts tricked and embarassed riful
renee tricked and embarrased riful
Riful will NEVER ally with the ghosts or renee.
Even if she's on death's door? You'd be surprised what the terror of death can do to a person's behavior. Riful wants to survive, that much we can be sure of...unlike Isley she doesn't have as much of a fatalistic streak to her.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:10
Even if she's on death's door? You'd be surprised what the terror of death can do to a person's behavior. Riful wants to survive, that much we can be sure of...unlike Isley she doesn't have as much of a fatalistic streak to her.
Not to re-enter this particular discussion, but I already went into why such an alliance just would never work, mostly because of Riful. It may work for awhile, but when it comes to long-run, the Ghosts and Riful will never ally.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-29, 17:38
riful "tentacle-charged-jumped" out of her castle after clare, so PISED that she was acting like just like impulsive clare.
riful remembered how clare and the ghosts embarassed her during their encounter with audrey and rachel.
Riful had to "repay" (KILL!!!!!) clare and the ghosts for that embarrassment to her. this is why riful "charged" out of the castle after clare. riful never acts so brashly as this. leaving renee unguarded with her "prized" Rafaela+Luciela. very out of character. Riful is really mad...
than, to "rub salt in Riful's wounds", renee uses the yoki suppression pills and gets away.... getting embarrassed again.... when riful is already PISED.... just made RIFUL SEETHING MAD.....
as i said, there's NO WAY riful will ever ally with clare and the ghosts, and renee....
riful does care about her survival, being an abyssal one....however there's two things that matter even more to her than her survival-life:
1. DAUF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Honor. Riful is very chivalrous! She believes in keeping her word and other such honorable integrities. Honor-chivalry means more to riful than her survival-life.
MisterJB
2009-10-29, 17:43
1. DAUF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's debatable.
2. Honor. Riful is very chivalrous! She believes in keeping her word and other such honorable integrities. Honor-chivalry means more to riful than her survival-life.
Yeah, it's really honorable to attack an half-dead man.
It was smart of her, I'll admit it.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-29, 17:47
don't mistake "war-fighting" and honor ..... or rather don't think that honor extends into combat-war-fighting (aka or winning).
here, i'll change it for you:
riful is honorable-chivalrous OUTSIDE of winning a fight-battle-war.
or....
maybe isley, lost his priviledge, to riful's honor-chivalry, lol
That's debatable.
Yeah, it's really honorable to attack an half-dead man.
It was smart of her, I'll admit it.
Not to mention that her promise to Renee didn't included stopping Duff from chasing her. Even if she could potentially out run him... there was a chance he'd be waiting for her at the exit and Riful would consider her promise completed. :heh:
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:53
Yeah, it's really honorable to attack an half-dead man.
It was smart of her, I'll admit it.
Roflmao, I don't want to get into this kind of discussion, but who honestly cares about honor when you can kill the man who started this war against you in the first place? and he's right there?
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:59
what's victory without honor?
dishonorably victory this called by something else.... cheating
Cheating? This is war, life and death, not a school test.
:heh:
So what did you think she should have done? Wait for Isley's injuries to heal?
Sorry Hedge, but their is no such thing as honor, not with something like this. Killing him would have secured her victory, regardless of whether or not he was fully-armed, wounded, or in the bathroom.
Galatea33
2009-10-29, 18:43
Cheating? This is war, life and death, not a school test.
:heh:
So what did you think she should have done? Wait for Isley's injuries to heal?
Sorry Hedge, but their is no such thing as honor, not with something like this. Killing him would have secured her victory, regardless of whether or not he was fully-armed, wounded, or in the bathroom.
Only a Sith that is still profound of honor in battle :heh:
oh wait.
Cheating? This is war, life and death, not a school test.
:heh:
So what did you think she should have done? Wait for Isley's injuries to heal?
Sorry Hedge, but their is no such thing as honor, not with something like this. Killing him would have secured her victory, regardless of whether or not he was fully-armed, wounded, or in the bathroom.
I agree with the killing him to be not a matter of honor so much a prudence and necessity. However it would have been a hollow victory... the MiB was still there and in the long run she can never beat them.
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