View Full Version : The Movie of the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (News & Anticipation)
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-11, 04:02
I think you're mistaking his narration and his thoughts for one another. While they do mix from time to time, the narration is almost always absent from the anime, save a few monologues in Melancholy and... well, the entirety of Episode 00. :heh:
They added one of his monologues to Mysterique Sign for the DVDs, as well.
It's probably the creepiest he ever gets, so I'm glad it was there. :heh:
Solachinx
2009-10-11, 05:59
What would you define as a "true artist"? I still think the simplest explanation is that they really thought they were being clever with all the gimmicks and such and have come to realize that well.....the response was lukewarm at best.
Well, first off, I believe that the term "true artist" is one of those terms like "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" where they can differ in meaning to each person. But, to me, I believe a true artist is someone who does art simply because they like doing it; not for monetary or ego related things, just because they like to act/draw/write/scuplt/whathaveyou. Although it would be ne nice to make money off of something, it shouldn't be the true artist's main purpose.
When I said "true artists don't dick around for the hell of it," it's because most true artists take their job seriously and only make changes to something if they think it'll improve it.
ex. Pixar
I probably criticized myself at a couple points.
Haven't watched the series yet, but I will pretty soon. :) And hopefully that'll get me excited for this movie.
VentAileron
2009-10-11, 08:12
Haven't watched the series yet, but I will pretty soon. :) And hopefully that'll get me excited for this movie.
Haha. You shouldn't do that just to get yourself excited. You'll regret it. Better wait till you almost got your hands on the movie itself, so you can spare yourself sleepless nights while counting the seconds before the movie starts to run in the Japanese theaters.
But if you can't wait to watch Haruhi in the first place. Then go ahead. Haruhi is worth watching to say the least.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-11, 08:26
Just... keep in mind that there are 8 episodes in a row that are more or less identical. :heh:
iHateApril3rd2009
2009-10-11, 08:48
so everyone here seen the teaser?
FlashFumo
2009-10-11, 09:40
so everyone here seen the teaser?
It would be a surprise if anyone here hadn't.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-11, 09:45
It would be a surprise if anyone here hadn't.
... Actually... :heh:
SealkidHaruhiism
2009-10-11, 10:06
I heard that Kyoani wants to animate The Disappearance into a movie, because they wanted to vs. Black Rock Shooter TV anime for Spring 2010.
I think they'll release a trailer or a preview on Dec. 18,2009.
Lost-Wisdom
2009-10-11, 10:39
If its going to be a movie, I can expect the animation will be superb. They can take their time on this.
It was hilarious though there were so many users expecting to be brought into the series but having it placed into a MOVIE is so much AWESOME.
It appreciates that Disappearances is one of the strongest Arcs, in my opinion.
Glad they decided to do this anyways.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-11, 15:44
I heard that Kyoani wants to animate The Disappearance into a movie, because they wanted to vs. Black Rock Shooter TV anime for Spring 2010.
Why would they want to compete with Ordet with of all studios? It's Yamakan who has a grudge on KyoAni, not the other way around.
I'd be more worried about PA Works if I were them.
I heard that Kyoani wants to animate The Disappearance into a movie, because they wanted to vs. Black Rock Shooter TV anime for Spring 2010.
That makes no sense. How does a movie compete with a TV series.
It's Yamakan who has a grudge on KyoAni, not the other way around.
I thought we had finally debunked this at Otakon. :rolleyes:
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-11, 17:55
I thought we had finally debunked this at Otakon. :rolleyes:
You don't agree to do a show like Kannagi, which is clearly intended to be a Haruhi-killer, or take a show that KyoAni has dropped, like 801-chan, unless you have some kind of a grudge on them. :heh:
Just because he says there are no hard feelings doesn't mean there aren't.
Triple_R
2009-10-11, 18:00
You don't agree to do a show like Kannagi, which is clearly intended to be a Haruhi-killer, or take a show that KyoAni has dropped, like 801-chan, unless you have some kind of a grudge on them. :heh:
Just because he says there are no hard feelings doesn't mean there aren't.
Agreed.
He clearly likes sticking it to his former employers. Personally, I don't mind that sort of strong competitive drive and pride, but it is what it is...
Ice Block
2009-10-12, 00:40
I'd be more worried about PA Works if I were them.
Indeed. PA Works is the next KyoAni, IMO -- very consistent, incredible detail and fluid animation for a relatively small/unknown studio. They tend to take on original works instead of adaptations though, so there's not much competition there (so instead of KyoAni's successor, they could be alternate-universe KyoAni). :heh:
Well they are doing the next Key work...but again it is an original Key work, straight to anime, rather than a VN adaptaion such as what TOEI or Kyoto Animation have done so far.
Animexcel
2009-10-12, 01:19
I read the Disappearance novel. Now I know what the craze is about with this particular story :D
quigonkenny
2009-10-12, 01:39
Indeed. PA Works is the next KyoAni, IMO -- very consistent, incredible detail and fluid animation for a relatively small/unknown studio. They tend to take on original works instead of adaptations though, so there's not much competition there (so instead of KyoAni's successor, they could be alternate-universe KyoAni). :heh:
Who? *surf, surf* Ah, the guys who did CANAAN. I'll admit they do good work, if that show is any example, but frankly they remind me more of Production IG (Eden especially) than KyoAni, so I don't see any direct competition (besides the whole "both being animation studios" thing, of course). Ordet (with its staff apparently full of KyoAni ex-pats) strikes me as a much more likely "antagonist".
Never could really get into Kannagi, really, anyway. Didn't even finish it. (Liking To Aru...Index, though, which feels very similar). My moeblobbery needs to have a little deeper basis, and Haruhi's mixture of sci-fi, mystery, and metaphysicality works just fine.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-12, 01:41
Who? *surf, surf* Ah, the guys who did CANAAN. I'll admit they do good work, if that show is any example, but frankly they remind me more of Production IG (Eden especially) than KyoAni, so I don't see any direct competition (besides the whole "both being animation studios" thing, of course). Ordet (with its staff apparently full of KyoAni ex-pats) strikes me as a much more likely "antagonist".
The reason people are comparing PA Works to KyoAni is the small size of the studio and the fact that they're still relatively unknown, like KyoAni was before FMP.
Ordet is trying, bless them, but since PA Works is doing Angel Beats, which appears to be another "Haruhi-killer"... I dunno.
quigonkenny
2009-10-12, 01:50
I heard that Kyoani wants to animate The Disappearance into a movie, because they wanted to vs. Black Rock Shooter TV anime for Spring 2010.
Come on now, SK. "I heard that" are the three most evil words on an anime forum. Much (w)angst and gnashing of (virtual) teeth have been caused by those very words (or variations) on this very forum...
Besides, Black Rock Shooter was just recently announced. The Disappearance movie will be in theaters in around six months, so it's been in production for at least a year, maybe more, as full as KyoAni's plate has been as of late. Timing's way off for your suggestion to even be feasible...
You don't agree to do a show like Kannagi, which is clearly intended to be a Haruhi-killer, or take a show that KyoAni has dropped, like 801-chan, unless you have some kind of a grudge on them. :heh:
I keep seeing the words "Haruhi-killer" and yet they make no sense. How do you "kill Haruhi"? With another franchise that hits the same demographics? Look at K-on, Miku/BRS etc. They all just joined the massive franchising pools. They didn't kill any of the old ones. Eva related goods just keep selling and selling, even before the movies. (Kadokawa/Kyoani seems to be doing a good enough job at killing the franchise on their own.)
However, regarding 801-chan:
11:13:16 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> Q: About Tonari non 801-chan, how did you get involved with that?
11:13:55 <bay|Ota|Yamakan> So the title had it's share of difficulties as you may know, so the creator approached me and asked me to do the show, so with everything else going on, i figured since the job came to me i figured i was destined to do this
Why would someone not pick it up just because Kyoani lost it? Studios take any project they believe can be a success or that they have enough of an interest in to ignore economic factors. (Also, remember that Studio Order is essentially a Kyoani refugee camp. This is like taking the series from the Haruhi 2009 staff to the Haruhi 2006 staff.)
Just because he says there are no hard feelings doesn't mean there aren't.Considering everything that happened at and after Otakon, that is really digging. He's known for being very straightforward and thus says controversial things. I'm not saying he was 100% perfectly honest all the time, but there is nothing to even hint at that.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-12, 03:55
I keep seeing the words "Haruhi-killer" and yet they make no sense. How do you "kill Haruhi"?
It's probably a really Western concept... I mean that it's supposed to directly compete with and take sales away from Haruhi.
Such is capitalism, comrade.
I will accept that there's probably no evidence that Yamakan holds a grudge, but there were those subtle and not-so-subtle digs at KyoAni in Kannagi, so...
Or you can do what some people already do, and just have the novel translations ready.
This is the peculiar thing with being faithful to the source; we have the translation before the actual product is even out.:heh:
No , i'll wait for the movie's sub . I'm not in a hurry , not a big fan either .
Tempester
2009-10-13, 00:13
I'm looking forward to this film, and I hope it would be a decent length (at least 100 minutes, equivalent to 5 episodes). In truth, I just want them to finish whatever projects they are doing such as this and start on a Little Busters anime to hopefully be released in Fall 2010.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-13, 00:40
In truth, I just want them to finish whatever projects they are doing such as this and start on a Little Busters anime to hopefully be released in Fall 2010.
To be honest, I feel the same way. :heh:
Little Busters is one of the coolest and most awesome games I've ever played (and I've only played what has been translated thus far) and it would really, really benefit from an anime adaptation.
relentlessflame
2009-10-14, 19:47
We need to come to an understanding about spoilers again, it seems. Most of you have been here for some time, so I assume that you all know perfectly well that the normal rule is that you are not allowed to use knowledge of the novels to spoil the contents of what is being discussed. Therefore, it logically follows that you may not post spoiler for the content of this movie before the movie is available.
Inappropriate spoilers are not welcome here at AnimeSuki Forums. A spoiler is anything that discloses an event, character, plot or other information before it is revealed within the specific work being discussed. Any post containing spoilers may be deleted in its entirety and an infraction will be issued to the poster. Repeated violations of this rule will lead to a ban.Using a spoiler tag is not good enough, and this is also clearly established in the Spoiler Policy (http://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php?faq=animesuki_faq#faq_spoilerpolicy).
Does this mean that there's nothing left to discuss in this thread until more info is released about the movie? Well, that may be. But if you're really so eager to discuss the novels that this movie are based on, we have three great threads for you. This isn't one of those threads.
EDIT: I've moved (most of) the affected posts from the last few days into the Spoilers & Speculation thread -- please feel free to continue your discussion there.
Otaku Emperor
2009-10-14, 23:24
Is it going to be live action, or anime. (I'm fine either way, just would be nice to know)
A live action would be nice, because I'm curious to see how the characters would look in real life.
But then again, the traditional anime never goes wrong.
Ricky Controversy
2009-10-14, 23:30
Is it going to be live action, or anime. (I'm fine either way, just would be nice to know)
A live action would be nice, because I'm curious to see how the characters would look in real life.
But then again, the traditional anime never goes wrong.
Looks like it will be an animated feature.
Jonbob0008
2009-10-15, 00:36
Is it going to be live action, or anime. (I'm fine either way, just would be nice to know)
A live action would be nice, because I'm curious to see how the characters would look in real life.
But then again, the traditional anime never goes wrong.
No offense, but a live action movie would be HORRIBLE!
I'm of the opinion that some things are just better left in their animated from.
Aya might be about to pull off Haruhi in live action, but what about the rest of the cast. To be frank, the voice cast of Mikuru and Yuki look nothing like their counterparts.
I'm certain this things going to be animated anyway. It's what KyoAni specializes in.
Otaku Emperor
2009-10-15, 00:37
No offense, but a live action movie would be HORRIBLE!
I'm of the opinion that some things are just better left in their animated from.
Aya might be about to pull off Haruhi in live action, but what about the rest of the cast. To be frank, the voice cast of Mikuru and Yuki look nothing like their counterparts.
I'm certain this things going to be animated anyway. It's what KyoAni specializes in.
Lolz.
I said either way, I would enjoy it.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-10-15, 04:28
I'm certain this things going to be animated anyway. It's what KyoAni specializes in.
Being an animation studio and all. :eyebrow:
And there already is a live action Haruhi movie, though the content is of course questionable. As for Aya Hirano pulling it off, no I think she'd ham it up and be too cutesy to have that Haruhi edge judging by some of her live action appearances in kids shows which generally revolve around her asking questions and acting ditzy. Plus Japanese Live Action movie productions aren't necessarily known for their quality of acting at the best of times, and these are movies with people with at least some acting experience we are talking about. The Haruhi franchise is already in a bit of a rut so it wouldn't be wise to go the Negima path at the moment, and really every anime to have a live action adaptation that I've seen has been terrible and the one's I haven't have gotten universally negative feedback. Not a single one of them has been anything but pure camp.
It's better not to raise or entertain the question of a live action movie any longer though since it's pretty obvious it would never be.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-15, 04:36
... Unless some American studio gets ahold of the rights... *shudders*
Thankfully, Haruhi is not nearly as famous as Dragon Ball. :heh:
The Haruhi franchise is already in a bit of a rut so it wouldn't be wise to go the Negima path at the moment, and really every anime to have a live action adaptation that I've seen has been terrible and the one's I haven't have gotten universally negative feedback. Not a single one of them has been anything but pure camp.
Well, they probably could successfully pull off a live action version of Adventures of Asahina Mikuru. But there is no reason for them to even go the live action route for the franchise when it's easier just to do another Gekisou for milking.
Mecha_Trueno
2009-10-15, 09:50
That could probably work. Mentioning Detective Conan made me imagine a misleading opening exposition in film noir style, with a detective (Kyon), a femme fatale (Mikuru), a mysterious/ambivalent person who's possibly turncoat (Itsuki), a damsel desperately seeking help (Yuki), and an insane mafia boss (Haruhi).
"and an insane mafia boss (Haruhi)."
... LOL that one sent me off my chair.:D
Imagine if Haruhi really was a mafia boss:heh:
musume_no_hoshi
2009-10-15, 13:10
Live action Haruhi would be a hilarious b-grade movie. I won't pay for it, but if it's free, it'll be nice to kill my time with it.
If Hirano Aya puts some effort into it, she'll do okay as live action Haruhi. Except in the...chest department :heh:
SgtHydra
2009-10-15, 20:13
I think a quick trip to Youtube would show precisely how bad an idea a live action Haruhi would be.
Triple_R
2009-10-15, 20:50
Live action Haruhi would be a hilarious b-grade movie. I won't pay for it, but if it's free, it'll be nice to kill my time with it.
If Hirano Aya puts some effort into it, she'll do okay as live action Haruhi. Except in the...chest department :heh:
Well, if you were to dub Hirano's voice over Kipi (http://fans.costaku.com/attachment/200811/15/207_1226721941LKng.jpg) cosplaying Haruhi you'd pretty much have the perfect live-action Haruhi... I have real concerns with the rest of the cast however.
The one live-action Haruhi I saw screenshots for had this middle-aged man (it looked like to me) playing as Koizumi. :heh:
Casting for the rest of the SOS Brigade might be really tricky.
Otaku Emperor
2009-10-15, 20:53
Live action Haruhi would be a hilarious b-grade movie. I won't pay for it, but if it's free, it'll be nice to kill my time with it.
If Hirano Aya puts some effort into it, she'll do okay as live action Haruhi. Except in the...chest department :heh:
Haruhi's chest aint THAT big to make THAT big of a deal out of it.
Not like all the fans are going to hate the live action movie, just because the person playing Haruhi doesn't have as big...Jugs, as Haruhi herself.
The two male voice actors aren't all that far off Kyon and Itsuki really. And Hirano, when not hamming it up too much, can do Haruhi quite well on stage. Minorin and Goto on the other hand, look nothing like their characters. Minorin can do Yuki flawlessly on stage, but doesn't look the part. Goto...she might be able to do it, but I image her slipping more often into one of her other personalities...biker mode for instance :D Besides I can't see Hirano being able to actually pull of Mikuru abuse on Goto in front of a camera.
Otaku Emperor
2009-10-15, 21:13
The two male voice actors aren't all that far off Kyon and Itsuki really. And Hirano, when not hamming it up too much, can do Haruhi quite well on stage. Minorin and Goto on the other hand, look nothing like their characters. Minorin can do Yuki flawlessly on stage, but doesn't look the part. Goto...she might be able to do it, but I image her slipping more often into one of her other personalities...biker mode for instance :D Besides I can't see Hirano being able to actually pull of Mikuru abuse on Goto in front of a camera.
Hammered?
Thats like drunk right?
Otaku Emperor
2009-10-15, 21:18
Hamming, not hammered.
Oh right ^ _ ^ I've just never heard that concept, hamming, lolz, so I figired it to the one thing that sounded closesst to it.
But if it was a live action (Which America's more likely to do), they could use the english dub people.
Triple_R
2009-10-15, 21:22
Oh right ^ _ ^ I've just never heard that concept, hamming, lolz, so I figired it to the one thing that sounded closesst to it.
But if it was a live action (Which America's more likely to do), they could use the english dub people.
... Wendee Lee is a middle-aged woman. There's no way she could play Haruhi in an English live-action Haruhi movie. Freeman is probably too old for a live-action Kyon too.
OTOH, though, it shouldn't be too hard to fine a teenager with a voice like Wendee Lee's.
Oh right ^ _ ^ I've just never heard that concept, hamming, lolz, so I figired it to the one thing that sounded closesst to it.
But if it was a live action (Which America's more likely to do), they could use the english dub people.
I thought it had already been agreed that an American studio making a Haruhi live-action film would be horrible, considering what happened with DBZ.
Oddly, I'd expect them to be able to be able to find better young actors in the English speaking words than in Japan. People that can act and appear to be in the High School age band...if they aren't really that age to begin with.
(Still no to the idea...just stick to the basics)
Kyoto Animation, the studio behind Haruhi, K-On! and Lucky Star, has announced a new contest aimed at independent authors and artists. The Kyoto Animation Award invites anybody, whether pro or amateur, to submit their work in one of three categories: novel, script or manga. The top entry in each category will win a prize of ¥300,000 and have the possibility of being animated by KyoAni. Runners-up will take home ¥100,000. The contest rules do not mention any restrictions on the location, nationality or professional status of the entrant, nor on the genre or content of the work itself. However, the entry does have to be in Japanese. (Thanks to Dazza for pointing that out.)
So, is KyoAni actually trying to give some aspiring author or artist their big break… or have they simply run out of ideas?
Ref: http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/kyoani_award/
(lol time to avenge the loss of Haruhi and K-ON XD :heh:)
Anyway here's a photo of Nagato from Disappearance:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/Anime_Fan_Otaku/NagatoCute.jpg
Otaku Emperor
2009-10-16, 00:12
Kyoto Animation, the studio behind Haruhi, K-On! and Lucky Star, has announced a new contest aimed at independent authors and artists. The Kyoto Animation Award invites anybody, whether pro or amateur, to submit their work in one of three categories: novel, script or manga. The top entry in each category will win a prize of ¥300,000 and have the possibility of being animated by KyoAni. Runners-up will take home ¥100,000. The contest rules do not mention any restrictions on the location, nationality or professional status of the entrant, nor on the genre or content of the work itself. However, the entry does have to be in Japanese. (Thanks to Dazza for pointing that out.)
So, is KyoAni actually trying to give some aspiring author or artist their big break… or have they simply run out of ideas?
Ref: http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/kyoani_award/
(lol time to avenge the loss of Haruhi and K-ON XD :heh:)
Anyway here's a photo of Nagato from Disappearance:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk318/Anime_Fan_Otaku/NagatoCute.jpg
Now that's just too cute.
DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES *hugs Nagato*
*Looks around and then quickly runs into HQ.*
Also to the animation thing, most of the time, animation people do that, when they are running out of idea's.
Still, I might try that, if I'm lazy enough.
The one live-action Haruhi I saw screenshots for had this middle-aged man (it looked like to me) playing as Koizumi. :heh:
That would probably be explained in that all of the live action haruhi stuff out there, outside of the few commercials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Bmoh2HfYI), is JAV.
quigonkenny
2009-10-16, 03:04
Oh right ^ _ ^ I've just never heard that concept, hamming, lolz, so I figired it to the one thing that sounded closesst to it.
But if it was a live action (Which America's more likely to do), they could use the english dub people.
That's odd, I was under the impression that "ham" as a definition for an actor with more zeal than skill was fairly universal in English, originating in Shakespearean England as it supposedly did... Ah well, learn something every day. Lord knows the Aussies and Brits have commonplace terms I've never heard of...
Speaking of hams, I agree that a live-action Haruhi would be horrible, since, unlike Dragonball Evolution, you would need people who can actually act rather than ham their way through each scene (except for Haruhi, who could be played nearly perfectly by William Shatner in drag), and those people would not be hired. I hold out slightly better hope for the Cowboy Bebop movie, as, although the one person cast so far cannot act, he does appear to at least try to, and has a knack for teaming with people who can.
The main problem with an English live-action Haruhi though, is the age of the necessary actors. They're all very much teens, and only one studio casts real teens any more:
Get ready for The Bummer of Hailey Santamaria, starring Miley Cyrus as Hailey Santamaria (at least she has the body). A Disney production...
I'm not so much against the live action, just the disney part.
All the disney movies nowadays suck.
Maybe a Pixar 3D? XD
There are still independents who hire teens, young twenty year olds for movies...that can act I mean. Some however are television actors rather than motion picture actors. Also I wasn't limiting to America. I'm sure there are some decent Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British actors around that are young still.
Just being able to pull off an live English language version of a Japanese anime with real actors...while still keeping in context...that would be tough. Especially since it isn't a comedy...exactly....or a drama...exactly....or sci-fi...exactly. It is sort of all of those set in a high school. Though I don't know what the hardest part would be. Finding someone that can pull of Mikuru's doormat/fetish design, or Kyon..with his internal monologues/snarkiness. There are plently of actors that can probably pull of Itsuki. Probably some that can do someone that acts like Haruhi. And Yuki...well it may take a bit to find someone that can do subtile and still be able to give off an emotion with just eye contact...but I think there are actresses that can do that.
aegisofrime
2009-10-16, 05:09
I'm not so much against the live action, just the disney part.
All the disney movies nowadays suck.
Maybe a Pixar 3D? XD
No no no keep it Japanese. Whatever an American company gets hold of is bastardized to be family friendly and appealing to a mass audience.
Think Nausicaä.
Triple_R
2009-10-16, 06:54
There are still independents who hire teens, young twenty year olds for movies...that can act I mean. Some however are television actors rather than motion picture actors. Also I wasn't limiting to America. I'm sure there are some decent Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British actors around that are young still.
Just being able to pull off an live English language version of a Japanese anime with real actors...while still keeping in context...that would be tough. Especially since it isn't a comedy...exactly....or a drama...exactly....or sci-fi...exactly. It is sort of all of those set in a high school. Though I don't know what the hardest part would be. Finding someone that can pull of Mikuru's doormat/fetish design, or Kyon..with his internal monologues/snarkiness. There are plently of actors that can probably pull of Itsuki. Probably some that can do someone that acts like Haruhi. And Yuki...well it may take a bit to find someone that can do subtile and still be able to give off an emotion with just eye contact...but I think there are actresses that can do that.
My main worry with an English live-action Haruhi is that, well... I just can't imagine a modern-day studio keeping the sailor school uniforms for Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru. And... I'm pretty sure that if you put Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru in jeans, that you're going to get a massive fan backlash. :heh:
If there was a studio out there willing to be un-PC and stay faithful to the original character designs...
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-16, 11:15
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one recent LA thing that had school uniforms...
But really, the problem would be Haruhi's treatment of Mikuru. I just don't see that going over well, with either the actress playing the latter or the various groups that always complain about this sort of thing. :heh:
Getting 14 year-old girls to grope each other? I don't think this will happen...
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-16, 11:31
Haruhi's 15 and Mikuru's 16(supposedly)... not like it helps much, but...
Triple_R
2009-10-16, 11:34
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one recent LA thing that had school uniforms...
But really, the problem would be Haruhi's treatment of Mikuru. I just don't see that going over well, with either the actress playing the latter or the various groups that always complain about this sort of thing. :heh:
Yeah... they'd probably downplay that a lot, or edit it out entirely. You might get Haruhi being a Paris Hilton-esque "fashion queen" that likes dressing up her "girlfriends" in fancy clothes... but that's about it. :heh:
... Yeah, the more I think about this, the more I'm quite fearful of an English live-action Haruhi movie in particular, lol.
relentlessflame
2009-10-16, 11:43
Anyway... *nudges topic back in a sensible direction*.
We at least know that this Disappearance movie will not be an American live-action flick. So please... :heh:
FlashFumo
2009-10-16, 12:13
Yeah... they'd probably downplay that a lot, or edit it out entirely. You might get Haruhi being a Paris Hilton-esque "fashion queen" that likes dressing up her "girlfriends" in fancy clothes... but that's about it. :heh:
... Yeah, the more I think about this, the more I'm quite fearful of an English live-action Haruhi movie in particular, lol.
Haruhi isn't quite as big as, say, Dragon Ball, so I'd worry about a live-action One Piece or Naruto before Haruhi. ;)
Getting 14 year-old girls to grope each other? I don't think this will happen...
The Negima LA drama did it. Repeatedly.
The Negima LA drama did it. Repeatedly.
Negima LA drama is japanese and he was talking about a possible, extremaly umprobable, US movie.
Anyway, Relenteless has already scolded us for discussing it, so, should we stop?
I was kinda expecting reading what non novel readers had to say about a smileing glasses Yuki here. However, I guess all of then or was already spoiled or just avoid this thread (and forum) like plage. :heh:
What else we can discuss without spoilers?
relentlessflame
2009-10-16, 18:37
Anyway, Relenteless has already scolded us for discussing it, so, should we stop?Well, I'm not like so deadset against it, but let's at least keep it within the realm of the topic. Those sort of side topics can tend to get horribly carried away if people don't at least try to keep the main topic in mind.
But to the point about what's left to discuss... well, probably not too much until they release the next bit of information (next month's NewType perhaps?). The waiting game is on.
quigonkenny
2009-10-17, 00:55
Getting 14 year-old girls to grope each other? I don't think this will happen...
The Negima LA drama did it. Repeatedly.
O_o' That's horrible! Adolescent Japanese girls groping each other? There's nothing remotely enjoyable about that!
Seriously though, it's going to be tough talking about Disappearance as a movie if we can't even put spoilers under spoiler tags. The great majority of us have already read the book in question, and most of the rest have already been spoilered to the point where there's not much left to spoil... Not like we can speculate on voice casting, because either the movie will have all the same characters (leaving us nothing to talk about) or any talk of new characters would rightly be considered a spoiler.
I can't think of anything to discuss, so I'm just going to lurk and see if anyone else can...
*shambles off to search for Negima live action RAWs*
Kaioshin Sama
2009-10-17, 03:48
Anyway... *nudges topic back in a sensible direction*.
We at least know that this Disappearance movie will not be an American live-action flick. So please... :heh:
While I pretty much agree with you it's hard for not to to feel that the topic has taken a turn for the hilarious. I regret the good times we could possibly missing as much as I feel that speculating about a live action movie doesn't suit the topic.
Anyway in truth I actually love hammy overzealous character performances and portrayals (part of the reason I watch mecha anime) because of a certain affinity for larger than life portrayals and ultimately heroic indoctrination of characters (Kamina, Lelouch, Gai Shishioh). Love the heroes. If only Kyon were a little bit less wishy washy and were given something to do again of the equivalent of the end of season 1 I think he could maybe pull that kind of characterization off. Come to think of it at the moment I think Kyon is in the best standings with me as far as characterization goes. I don't know if it's his narrator status or that he's the only one that feels more like a character than a personification of a fetish, but he seems less bland and more interesting to me now somehow.
...
Is it just me, or are a lot of Haruhi fans also Negima fans? I mean, superficially they don't look much similar. Is it something deeper, or is it another reason entirely?
FlashFumo
2009-10-17, 07:44
...
Is it just me, or are a lot of Haruhi fans also Negima fans? I mean, superficially they don't look much similar. Is it something deeper, or is it another reason entirely?
...maybe it's possible for fans to like another series?
Triple_R
2009-10-17, 08:05
...
Is it just me, or are a lot of Haruhi fans also Negima fans? I mean, superficially they don't look much similar. Is it something deeper, or is it another reason entirely?
Well... Haruhi and Negima have somewhat similar styles of comedy, and both also have a similar mixture of
slice-of-life to action-adventure...
I'm not a big Negima fan myself, but I can see where somebody would like Haruhi and Negima.
SgtHydra
2009-10-17, 10:35
I wonder what the opening song is gonna be liek...
Triple_R
2009-10-17, 10:43
I wonder what the opening song is gonna be liek...
Good question. I also wonder if they'll go straight into the opening song, or if they'll have a bit of narrative content before they get into it.
SealkidHaruhiism
2009-10-17, 10:47
I wonder what the opening song is gonna be liek...
I don't know , I think Aya Hirano or Minori Chihara will sing to op?
FlashFumo
2009-10-17, 10:55
I don't know , I think Aya Hirano or Minori Chihara will sing to op?
Aya Hirano singing is likelier. Haruhi is still in the title, as it's not called "The Spotlight Theft of Yuki Nagato".
Minori Chihara would be better suited for the ending sequence, or an insert song.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-10-17, 10:59
Good question. I also wonder if they'll go straight into the opening song, or if they'll have a bit of narrative content before they get into it.
I doubt there would be ANY opening song. Theme songs in a movie, anime or otherwise, is generally played over the closing credits.
SealkidHaruhiism
2009-10-17, 11:04
I doubt there would be ANY opening song. Theme songs in a movie, anime or otherwise, is generally played over the closing credits.
Some Movies have an op and ed
Triple_R
2009-10-17, 12:12
I doubt there would be ANY opening song. Theme songs in a movie, anime or otherwise, is generally played over the closing credits.
KyoAni strikes me as the sort of company that would try to jazz up their animated movie with an opening song.
... And, I've seen a fair number of movies, anime and otherwise, with opening songs. It's hardly unprecedented.
In fact, such classics as Tim Burton's Batman movie had it.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-17, 12:21
They have spent about three years building anticipation for this, and it's one of the most widely anticipated stories in the series. They're going to try and get as much money out of it as they possibly can, and featuring an OP they can later sell a single of wouldn't be completely out of the question.
quigonkenny
2009-10-17, 13:01
...
Is it just me, or are a lot of Haruhi fans also Negima fans? I mean, superficially they don't look much similar. Is it something deeper, or is it another reason entirely?
Both series are well-written, with interesting characters, and occasional fanservice (one being a bit more...overt...about it) and both enjoy poking fun at the anime/manga/light novel genre. Doesn't surprise me at all.
If KyoAni did long term series, I think their take on Negima would be epic. Similarly, Shaft would have a lot of fun with Haruhi...
Aya Hirano singing is likelier. Haruhi is still in the title, as it's not called "The Spotlight Theft of Yuki Nagato".
Yes, it's not called that, but...
If KyoAni did long term series, I think their take on Negima would be epic.If only...Similarly, Shaft would have a lot of fun with Haruhi...I can barely imagine this, though.:heh:
Jonbob0008
2009-10-17, 13:22
Both series are well-written, with interesting characters, and occasional fanservice (one being a bit more...overt...about it) and both enjoy poking fun at the anime/manga/light novel genre. Doesn't surprise me at all.
If KyoAni did long term series, I think their take on Negima would be epic. Similarly, Shaft would have a lot of fun with Haruhi...
Since Negima is one of my favorite manga, I certainly have to agree with this. Too bad the series as two anime series based off of it already.
On another note, I wonder what kind of promotional merchandise will be sold for the movie. Do you think any special edition books for Disappearane will be sold?
They'll probably use this one:
The chance for KyoAni to concentrate on the OP and ED is still there.
There's a chance that this movie/OVA will be epic.... or simply good... or...
Mikuru as KyoAni
Haruhi: Mikuru-chan, you SUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKK!
Triple_R
2009-10-17, 14:34
bhl88 - That second one would be perfect! My word... it actually reminds me a bit of the classic Superman and Star Wars movie themes! And yet, at the same time, it also has a definitive Haruhi feeling to it. Very epic.
Despite how epic Gensou is, I doubt anything similar in the movie. A orchestran really don't fit to an anime movie.
relentlessflame
2009-10-17, 16:02
Despite how epic Gensou is, I doubt anything similar in the movie. A orchestran really don't fit to an anime movie.Whoa... seriously? I guess you just haven't watched very many anime or anime movies with excellent orchestrated soundtracks. As far as I'm concerned, there aren't very many anime (or games) that wouldn't be improved by an orchestrated soundtrack. It's just expensive.
Whoa... seriously? I guess you just haven't watched very many anime or anime movies with excellent orchestrated soundtracks. As far as I'm concerned, there aren't very many anime (or games) that wouldn't be improved by an orchestrated soundtrack. It's just expensive.
No, I mean as an OP or ED. I could easly see a orchestrared soundtrack for the climax of the movie.
relentlessflame
2009-10-17, 16:11
No, I mean as an OP or ED. I could easly see a orchestrared soundtrack for the climax of the movie.Oh, for OP and ED? Hmm... personally, I think I like the "no OP, insert + ED" idea. Many movies, including anime movies, are done this way, and I think it could be used to good effect here. (In fact, many anime TV series do the first episode this way as well, to make it a little bit more cinematic.) So long as the insert and ED songs are of a good quality and fit into the story, I think that whatever they do is probably okay. But certainly, I would expect at least one or two vocal tracks for the soundtrack and to be released as a CD Single, since this is sponsored by Lantis and all...
(In fact, many anime TV series do the first episode this way as well, to make it a little bit more cinematic.)
Haruhi itself did it for the last episode of the first run. No OP and Douken Desho Deshou in the credits and epilogue.
Hmmm, I guess I agree with you. No OP and a incert song and ED is probably the best idea. For the singers, I guess Minori would sing the insert one and Aya the ED. But it could be the oposite. I just can't see Ayai don't singing at all. It is a Haruhi movie at all. She is still the center of the plot, despite it focusing Yuki.
If there is an OP, I agreeAya would sing it and leaving the ED/insert song to Minori.
Triple_R
2009-10-17, 17:26
How can people not want a great OP? :confused:
Nothing pumps you up for a movie more than a great OP, folks!
Really... why do you think that the Batman, Superman, and Star Wars themes are so memorable, and beloved, amongst the fanbases of each? Because they're OPs that got the fans totally pumped up for the movie, and are forever etched in the minds of the fans as one of the coolest parts of the movie. They worked marvelously that way, and it would be outstanding if the Haruhi movie had the same effect with its own OP.
If anything... sticking a dramatic song at the very end is questionable. How many movies have you been to where most of the audience stuck around for all of the credits?
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-17, 17:32
If there is an OP, I agreeAya would sing it and leaving the ED/insert song to Minori.
Given where the insert song would have to be... I'm kind of hearing Kanashimi no Mukou he (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZRiXmO5AU), for some reason.
Really... why do you think that the Batman, Superman, and Star Wars themes are so memorable, and beloved, amongst the fanbases of each? Because they're OPs that got the fans totally pumped up for the movie, and are forever etched in the minds of the fans as one of the coolest parts of the movie. They worked marvelously that way, and it would be outstanding if Haruhi movie had the same effect with its own OP.
I can see something almost exactly like the Superman Returns opening credits, given Haruhi's association with stars and galaxies, heh.
That, or something really slow and snow-oriented... maybe a pan through Nishinomiya during a heavy snowfall?
FlashFumo
2009-10-17, 17:49
Given where the insert song would have to be... I'm kind of hearing Kanashimi no Mukou he (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZRiXmO5AU), for some reason.
That's gonna be played when [mod edit: a certain scene happens that can't be discussed in this thread even behind spoiler tags] isn't it? :p
Kaisos Erranon
2009-10-17, 17:56
I was thinking about the part of that scene before that happens, actually, during Kyon's little speech, but that works too. :heh:
How can people not want a great OP? :confused:
Nothing pumps you up for a movie more than a great OP, folks!
Really... why do you think that the Batman, Superman, and Star Wars themes are so memorable, and beloved, amongst the fanbases of each? Because they're OPs that got the fans totally pumped up for the movie, and are forever etched in the minds of the fans as one of the coolest parts of the movie. They worked marvelously that way, and it would be outstanding if the Haruhi movie had the same effect with its own OP.
If anything... sticking a dramatic song at the very end is questionable. How many movies have you been to where most of the audience stuck around for all of the credits?
Honestly, I usually hate long opening credits. :heh: I remember wanting to skip that damn Sperman opening. I believe it only work when they are actually telling something while playing the song, like Star Wars and all Marvel films.
Also, I can be mistaken, but no movie you entioned had a OP tht was actually sung.
Given where the insert song would have to be... I'm kind of hearing Kanashimi no Mukou he (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZRiXmO5AU), for some reason.
...I actually don't have idea for which scene you are talking about. To be really frank, I usually found insert songs a bit odd, don't really understanding why it is there. However, some are so well done that I almost don' notice there is one there... then I still don't figure why the song is there :heh:
I can see something almost exactly like the Superman Returns opening credits, given Haruhi's association with stars and galaxies, heh.
That, or something really slow and snow-oriented... maybe a pan through Nishinomiya during a heavy snowfall?
I would say the snow-oriented. Tough a weird space thing would also be appropriate. Specially considering how much they will center the marketing in Yuki. This is also quite funny, you shouldn't know the story was about her until kinda the half of it.
Triple_R
2009-10-17, 19:17
Given where the insert song would have to be... I'm kind of hearing Kanashimi no Mukou he (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZRiXmO5AU), for some reason.
I can see something almost exactly like the Superman Returns opening credits, given Haruhi's association with stars and galaxies, heh.
That would be absolutely awesome!
That, or something really slow and snow-oriented... maybe a pan through Nishinomiya during a heavy snowfall?
This would be pretty good too.
Honestly, I usually hate long opening credits. :heh: I remember wanting to skip that damn Sperman opening. I believe it only work when they are actually telling something while playing the song, like Star Wars and all Marvel films.
Ah, well... to each their own. I just love good musical openings in general.
I'm one of those that generally stays through the credits on movies. I learned this from those movies that either have good soundtracks....or humor thrown into the credits.
I was actually dissappointed with the prequal Star Wars ending themes for I and II (III's was awesome). Except Episode I made great use of foreshadowing/trolling at the end of the ending credits with use of just music...and one sound effect.
(I was the last one in the theater... I think it was the second day of release of Episode I...I was getting bored with Anakin's Theme...started to drift off in thought..then heard something familiar. My brain snapped back with a "Wait what was that?" I listened again until it came back up...just a fragment...of the Imperial March. The brain started to react...to the foreshadowing...and then it came back once again...slightly more pronounced...and with the final effect...the breathing. I smiled. As underwhelming as the film might have been for some...that last effect made it work....its a setup...foreshadowing/trolling in a good way)
So music can make all the difference in a film. A film could have a great story and cast, but if the background music fails, then some of the magic is lost. Oddly, sometimes music can save poor acting and scripts...if the music is good enough to move the audiance...they might not even care what the actors are doing.
I think KyoAni's figuring this out though their Key anime, Haruhi, and oddly K-On. People were not sold on K-On at first by the anime itself...but by the ED song. Key has great musical scores, and when used correctly can even make people cry. Haruhi has been lighter on the music, but some things have been used for effect. Russian World War II scores used for epic space battles for instance. Or more recently, very over the top heroic victory charge music being used for potray the plotting to do one's homework with everyone in the club.
Also "God Knows" coming out very quickly after the original Episode 12 shows that someone has sales sense.
They'll come up with a song or three for the movie. Though I don't expect any dance numbers anymore. They lost that particular director.
relentlessflame
2009-10-17, 21:38
I'm one of those that generally stays through the credits on movies.Yeah, I'm another one of those. Whenever I go with friends or family, they always want to rush out, but I stay till the very end. To me it's just part of the movie experience. I also regularly watch the OP and ED of shows even if I've seen them many times before. I don't know... for me it's just part of the experience.
So music can make all the difference in a film. A film could have a great story and cast, but if the background music fails, then some of the magic is lost. Oddly, sometimes music can save poor acting and scripts...if the music is good enough to move the audiance...they might not even care what the actors are doing.I would dare say that this is the case for all types of entertainment including all anime. As you say, a good soundtrack can lift an otherwise mediocre scene or story, and can cause a good scene or story to soar to new heights. Sometimes it's obvious, but more often than not it's more subtle.
And by the way, your Star Wars example was nice. That's exactly the sort of thing I listen for, and it's really rewarding. Good composers are always trying to convey something about the story through the music, but you need to listen for it. I think some people just consider it "BGM" and turn it off in their heads, but if you pay enough attention, you can usually understand a lot about the story just through the music.
One of the things I most like listening for in good soundtracks is the use of theme and variation. A good composer will setup recognizable musical cues and insert them just at the right moments to make reference to things you've seen before. And then typically all of these little musical cues will be reintroduced together as you get to the end of the story and they try to wrap everything up -- typically those are my favourite songs on soundtracks.
Anyway, I could go on and on, but yeah... music is very important! So here's to hoping that the movie makes great use of it! (And as you said, I think they do realize even from what they've done so far how important music is to this franchise.)
But certainly, I would expect at least one or two vocal tracks for the soundtrack and to be released as a CD Single, since this is sponsored by Lantis and all...
We're going to get an insert song CD, an ending song CD, a whole set of disappearance only character albums, an OST, and that's just the beginning of it. This is Lantis we're talking about.
Haruhi itself did it for the last episode of the first run. No OP and Douken Desho Deshou in the credits and epilogue.
But this was done for the extra 90 seconds than for dramatics. Movie songs are more about dramatics and plot setup normally.
How can people not want a great OP? :confused:
Nothing pumps you up for a movie more than a great OP, folks!
Think of how the book is paced. There really is no place for an OP unless you really forced it in or modify the time line in the prologue. The chapter is just too... trying to be everywhere at once to actually shove something in there. It's more likely we'll get something like Melancholy 7.
Really... why do you think that the Batman, Superman, and Star Wars themes are so memorable, and beloved, amongst the fanbases of each?
None of these are opening themes in the way that Japan does openings.
If anything... sticking a dramatic song at the very end is questionable. How many movies have you been to where most of the audience stuck around for all of the credits?
Major culture difference here. In Japan, for your typical movie, the audience won't budge an inch until the screen is a blank. Also, this being Haruhi, they could always stick more than one ending song in during the credit roll.
Oh, and they will stick a scene in after the credits are done rolling. That will guarantee they won't move an inch.
I could see a "Space Battleship Yamato" like theme playing at the beginning....there seems to always be a sung theme to these things rather than just music.
But then the music needs to reflect not only the anime it is based off of, but also the movie's content. Lol Random Song doesn't work here. A mood setter is needed...either they'll play a theme at the beginning, then run the show, or they'll do introduction material first, then music/credits, into the plot. The later could be used to shift the focus, but if I remember the novel correctly, the introduction like material is longer than that.
So either we get a moe/idol song, or they'll give us a serious style song for the OP.
The ED..well that depends on what they do with the story. It will likely contrast with the OP, which if they use it as transition, they'll have Minorin do the OP and Aya do the ED. If they just to an OP than start the movie, an OP by Aya, the ED by Minorin.
Ricky Controversy
2009-10-17, 23:24
But then the music needs to reflect not only the anime it is based off of, but also the movie's content. Lol Random Song doesn't work here. A mood setter is needed...either they'll play a theme at the beginning, then run the show, or they'll do introduction material first, then music/credits, into the plot. The later could be used to shift the focus, but if I remember the novel correctly, the introduction like material is longer than that.
This may be incredibly foolish, but I'm holding out hope that we'll be given some appropriate reinterpretation of "Yuki, Muon, Madobe Nite". It's already tonally viable, with a re-arrangement, I can see it becoming a very sweet, longing sort of song. I can sort of see the prologue material carrying on with some slow build up, and then all the music cuts away as the title appears and the 'real story' begins, with only Minorin's voice, echoing as if through the cold air, the first line of the song.
Daniel E.
2009-10-17, 23:50
Yeah, I'm another one of those. Whenever I go with friends or family, they always want to rush out, but I stay till the very end. To me it's just part of the movie experience. I also regularly watch the OP and ED of shows even if I've seen them many times before. I don't know... for me it's just part of the experience.
This is not always an option around here.
Once the movie ends and the credits start to roll, the lights are turned on and the employees start to open the doors showing people the fastest route to the exit. Even if you want to stay to see the credits, there's this "get the hell out already" vibe all around you and most people end up doing just that.
Pretty annoying when you later realize there was actually a scene after the credits. >_<
Daniel Lind
2009-10-18, 00:49
but I'm holding out hope that we'll be given some appropriate reinterpretation of "Yuki, Muon, Madobe Nite".
I'm hoping for instrumental version, not the song itself.
Triple_R
2009-10-18, 01:01
Think of how the book is paced. There really is no place for an OP unless you really forced it in or modify the time line in the prologue. The chapter is just too... trying to be everywhere at once to actually shove something in there.
That doesn't mean that you can't have an OP at the very beginning, before we get to any of the narrative content at all.
None of these are opening themes in the way that Japan does openings.
Well, I simply pointed them out as great OPs. Japan may have a stylistic difference, sure, but they can still do great OPs.
Major culture difference here. In Japan, for your typical movie, the audience won't budge an inch until the screen is a blank.
Also, this being Haruhi, they could always stick more than one ending song in during the credit roll.
Oh, and they will stick a scene in after the credits are done rolling. That will guarantee they won't move an inch.
...Why would that be necessary if what you said about Japanese audiences staying until the screen goes completely black is true? You almost seem to be contradicting yourself here.
This is not always an option around here.
Once the movie ends and the credits start to roll, the lights are turned on and the employees start to open the doors showing people the fastest route to the exit. Even if you want to stay to see the credits, there's this "get the hell out already" vibe all around you and most people end up doing just that.
Pretty annoying when you later realize there was actually a scene after the credits. >_<
This is why I hate it when movies have stuff after the credits (unless it's a completely unimportant joke scene perhaps). The vast majority of people (North Americans, anyway) are not going to stick around through the credits. Period.
In fact, like you said, there is a huge "get the hell out already" vibe all around you. I tried to stay through credits once or twice 'just in case', and I could feel my immediate friends nudging me to get going while everybody else gives you strange looks...
Particularly if Haruhi has a movie screening in North America, I hope that there's nothing after the credits.
Major culture difference here. In Japan, for your typical movie, the audience won't budge an inch until the screen is a blank.
Question... how do you know this? Have you personally attended a lot of movies in Japan?
Sincere question here. I'm not presuming an answer. But I often hear people make comments like your's here about Japan, and I can't help but question just what their source is for such overarching generalized information...
Can't speak for bayoab, but this happened for every movie I went to in Japan.
Triple_R
2009-10-18, 01:29
Can't speak for bayoab, but this happened for every movie I went to in Japan.
Thanks for the info. I edited that question out afterwards since I thought, after the fact, that I might have been being a bit too difficult there. I appreciate your feedback all the same. :)
I bet the fans will stay for the credits. (Even if it's a movie you like very much, you'll just leave... the hardcore fans will probably stay)...
Jonbob0008
2009-10-18, 04:43
As someone who used to work in a movie theatre, I remember being one of those people giving off the "get the hell out of here" vibe. Then, once everyone is gone, you just go and sweep all the popcorn and candy under the seats. They get cleaned out every night, so we never have to worry about it.
I wonder if they do that in Japan, too...
Ricky Controversy
2009-10-18, 08:10
That whole notion seems pretty odd to me: generally the theatre workers here make their presence as minimal as possible, and if you walk out of a movie during the credits when there's an extra scene, they'll often stop you and say "Wait, there's more." But then, I live in a rather artsy city, so it may just be that.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-18, 08:15
"Wait, there's more."
I can't be the only one who thought of Ron Popeil trying to sell something when reading this. :heh:
But anyway... when I actually go to one, the staff at theatres around here generally don't seem to care if you stick around until the end or not... sure, the lights go on during the credits, but they don't try and kick you out.
Triple_R
2009-10-18, 08:17
That whole notion seems pretty odd to me: generally the theatre workers here make their presence as minimal as possible, and if you walk out of a movie during the credits when there's an extra scene, they'll often stop you and say "Wait, there's more." But then, I live in a rather artsy city, so it may just be that.
That's really cool.
I'd have no problem with something after the credits (and might even like it) if more theaters were like that.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-10-18, 08:31
I don't think we have to worry about anything after the credits of this particular movie. :heh:
Mecha_Trueno
2009-10-18, 09:07
I'm one of those who stay till the end as well, just in case there's something after the credits.
But really, as mentioned above, there's not much they CAN do for a post-credits scene. Instead, I'm hoping to see an announcement or some kind, possibly about another season in the works.
If we are gonna get an OP, lets just hope it doesn't turn out like this...
mcxioU7AMM4
LOL Spiderman has a robot!:heh:
But this was done for the extra 90 seconds than for dramatics. Movie songs are more about dramatics and plot setup normally.
No really. The OP might have been droped for extra seconds. However, replacein the ED for an epilogue with a back music(the same as the normal OP) was certanly for dramatic effect. Compare to the last Endless Eight, where the ED was droped and it had a scene while the credits were being played, but no music.
I don't think we have to worry about anything after the credits of this particular movie. :heh:
Do you think? That final scene(before the epilogue) would fit pretty well after the credits or at the middle of it.
Or they could put the epilogue after it. I don't believe the epilogue is really important tough. I wonder if they will bother adpting it on the movie.
relentlessflame
2009-10-18, 20:55
This is not always an option around here.
Once the movie ends and the credits start to roll, the lights are turned on and the employees start to open the doors showing people the fastest route to the exit. Even if you want to stay to see the credits, there's this "get the hell out already" vibe all around you and most people end up doing just that.By the way, this is a total aside, but regarding this, I completely ignore this "vibe" on purpose. The staff around here are under strict orders not to enter the room until the movie is fully done playing, or all the customers have left. So even if they peek in to see if everyone's gone yet, I ignore them. And then I thank them on the way out; they may be a bit annoyed, but I'm still the customer, and movies here are expensive enough so I think I paid for my credit time. The movie isn't over until the screen goes black; to me, that's just being respectful to the producers. The staff can damn well stay an extra 5 minutes, since they're being paid anyway (in part by my money).
So anyway, there's a random rant for you... :heh: Now back to your regularly-scheduled topic.
kniteowl
2009-10-18, 21:21
Remember the debate about whether or not the Intrigues Prologue will be animated in this movie.
What if they end the movie with the ending of Disappearance (volume 4) but during the ending Credits, they give us a preview of the Intrigues Prologue so it doesn't feel like a complete cliff hanger ending of how Kyon [mod edit: does something that resolves the plot but can't be discussed in this thread since it's a novel spoiler]
or maybe since the preview isn't really a full explaination it might feel more like a cliff hanger ending hmmm...... ah well never mind lol.
They might also include some previews of Charmed at First Sight LOVER, Snow Mountain Syndrome and many other chapters during the ending credits, that would be one awesome ending credits for the fans of the series.
Daniel Lind
2009-10-19, 00:20
If they'll include something as a preview, that would mean they are doing another production soon and THAT I find extremly doubtful for a variety of reasons.
ijuinkun
2009-10-23, 22:04
Meh, given when the movie will be released (spring), a third cours of anime would be airing a full year after the 2009 stuff did. If they do a third cours, I would expect it to cover the stories up till the end of "Intrigues".
This may be incredibly foolish, but I'm holding out hope that we'll be given some appropriate reinterpretation of "Yuki, Muon, Madobe Nite". It's already tonally viable, with a re-arrangement, I can see it becoming a very sweet, longing sort of song. I can sort of see the prologue material carrying on with some slow build up, and then all the music cuts away as the title appears and the 'real story' begins, with only Minorin's voice, echoing as if through the cold air, the first line of the song.
That might be pretty nice... although I'd think "SELECT" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMz8EGieh8&feature=related) would make more sense.
I mean... it basically covers the opening of Disappearance. And being slower and more... sad, makes for a better setting of the scene and proper audience emotion.
Shadowninja100
2009-10-27, 22:18
Would you guys recommend reading the Disappearance light novel before seeing the movie, because I'm kinda torn on whether I should read it now or wait. I want to wait to see it animated, but I feel like I'm leaning towards reading it so that I could read the other light novels too.
Ricky Controversy
2009-10-27, 22:34
Would you guys recommend reading the Disappearance light novel before seeing the movie, because I'm kinda torn on whether I should read it now or wait. I want to wait to see it animated, but I feel like I'm leaning towards reading it so that I could read the other light novels too.
I'd highly recommend reading it. It's definitely one of the stronger books in my opinion. I think having read it may make some of the context clearer when you finally see it animated, as well as heightening your anticipation so that the movie is more fulfilling.
relentlessflame
2009-10-27, 22:42
In the end, it's just a personal preference whether you do or don't read the source material first. Personally, I have noticed in general that people are naturally biased towards whatever they are first exposed to. People who read the source material can sometimes be more critical of an adaptation because it doesn't live up to the way they imagined it would be. Other people are able to absorb the source material, and still consider the adaptation as a separate work (and find it beneficial to compare and contrast). But it totally depends on the person, so this is why I say it's more of a personal preference with no "right answer".
For me, I'll probably wait for the movie and read the book afterwards (since I'm following the official English release anyway).
CrowKenobi
2009-10-27, 22:55
And with the way the novel releases are spread out, we could realistically see the English version of the fourth novel by the time the DVD of the movie is released. :D
In the end, it's just a personal preference whether you do or don't read the source material first. Personally, I have noticed in general that people are naturally biased towards whatever they are first exposed to. People who read the source material can sometimes be more critical of an adaptation because it doesn't live up to the way they imagined it would be. Other people are able to absorb the source material, and still consider the adaptation as a separate work (and find it beneficial to compare and contrast). But it totally depends on the person, so this is why I say it's more of a personal preference with no "right answer".
For me, I'll probably wait for the movie and read the book afterwards (since I'm following the official English release anyway).
It's been so hard not to read the source material though, and I completely agree. I was introduced directly to the anime, and I think is does produce a more unbiased opinion. I haven't read the (a lot) of the novel series, and I'm glad I haven't.
It's always tempting to read the novels. After all, we are animals.
I didn't even find out there was an anime for the novels until I was in the middle of volume 5, which meant that i had read most of the anime:heh:
anyways, one thing I'm looking forward to is the music they'll be using in the movie, and it would be nice if they did a re-mixed version of one of Nagato's character songs, but I would rather have an nice, soft, and beautiful original insert song during a certain part I can't mention because I can't write spoilers:heh:
Maybe Kadokawa will pity us, and give us a theater release in the West for a limited(2-3 days maybe) time, who knows...though I highly doubt it, as I don't see them making much money off of it.
quigonkenny
2009-10-28, 11:49
In the end, it's just a personal preference whether you do or don't read the source material first. Personally, I have noticed in general that people are naturally biased towards whatever they are first exposed to. People who read the source material can sometimes be more critical of an adaptation because it doesn't live up to the way they imagined it would be. Other people are able to absorb the source material, and still consider the adaptation as a separate work (and find it beneficial to compare and contrast). But it totally depends on the person, so this is why I say it's more of a personal preference with no "right answer".
For me, I'll probably wait for the movie and read the book afterwards (since I'm following the official English release anyway).
You, of all people, should read the novels first, if only so you don't get spoiled doing your moderatorial duties. Of course, it's probably a little late for that now...
Personally, I don't think anyone will have a problem reading the novel first. So far, out of all the Haruhi that KyoAni has adapted, I can only think of two stories where I think they could have done a better job (Remote Island Syndrome, because of the parts they removed, and Endless Eight for obvious reasons), one story where I was disappointed but only due to the animation quality (Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody) which shouldn't be a problem with a movie budget, and three stories (Day of Sagittarius, Live Alive, and Sigh) where the adaptation was arguably better than the source. That's a pretty good track record.
Maybe Kadokawa will pity us, and give us a theater release in the West for a limited(2-3 days maybe) time, who knows...though I highly doubt it, as I don't see them making much money off of it.
Oh, I think they could make money off it, especially if it's just done as a limited (in theater number), sub-only release. There are enough hardcore fans over here that would go to see it, likely multiple times, even if it wasn't a wide release. I personally would drive all the way to Dallas (~260 mi) or Austin (~180 mi), if they were showing it there but not in Houston (not an unlikely possibility, considering how the rest of the country sees Houston culturally).
relentlessflame
2009-10-29, 15:24
You, of all people, should read the novels first, if only so you don't get spoiled doing your moderatorial duties. Of course, it's probably a little late for that now...Haha... Well, yeah, suffice it to say that anyone who's a mod has to have built up somewhat of a resistance to spoilers. Everytime someone reports an unmarked spoiler, we all get an E-mail pointing us to the problem, so it's hard to avoid them! For me personally, while I prefer not to be spoiled on the major plot twists, I don't generally find that it ruins my enjoyment of a show all that much. While plot is important, I think anime is a lot more than the sum of its plot, so knowing or not knowing doesn't really make that big of a difference to me personally.
Well, and plus... I'm old-fashioned and just like to read books on paper. I don't think I could stand reading an entire novel or novel series on a computer screen (and printing the whole thing out just isn't the same). So when the English book comes out is probably good enough for me, unless I get really desperate to know. :p
ijuinkun
2009-10-30, 02:32
Oh, I think they could make money off it, especially if it's just done as a limited (in theater number), sub-only release. There are enough hardcore fans over here that would go to see it, likely multiple times, even if it wasn't a wide release. I personally would drive all the way to Dallas (~260 mi) or Austin (~180 mi), if they were showing it there but not in Houston (not an unlikely possibility, considering how the rest of the country sees Houston culturally).
That's not really how the economics of movies works. The biggest investment from the studio's perspective is in creating the thing in the first place (or in the case of adapting it to a new language, the cost of dubbing it). The cost of distributing lots of copies of the movie is much less. Also, once the copies are distributed to theaters, the studio has spent all of the money that it needs to spend--it's the theaters that have to recover the fee that they pay to the studio to get the copies. This is why few films get shown for less than a couple of weeks--each theater has to make enough revenue from the film to cover the price of acquiring it in the first place. In essence, the pressure is to get as many viewers as possible.
quigonkenny
2009-10-31, 02:44
I know how the movie biz normally works, at least at the cinema level. I worked for a movie theater for 5 years. And if I were talking about a wide release, where the distributor is charging the cinema companies similar to what most movies go for, you'd be right. But obviously that's not the only way things are done, or else those crappy movies that win all the Oscars but don't actually put a lot of butts in the seats would never be feasible to put on the big screen, much less the occasional limited, short-term Viz release of a Bleach movie. I'm not talking making a lot of money, just putting the thing in theaters as a thank you to the fans and (much more importantly) an advertisement for the eventual DVD release. A lot of people walk in and out of theaters, so that poster hanging on the wall and the word of mouth are a lot of cheap advertsement aimed at people who would otherwise be fairly oblivious to its existence.
Arina-desu
2009-10-31, 18:50
I kinda was happy whn I heard this news! :)
I hope they sub it (for the ones who read it already... they can catch up).... for those who don't... well...
AmyElizzabeth
2009-11-02, 00:18
I've read it enough to get the main gist of what's going on, I guess.
But I'mma want mah subs >:D
I hope they sub it (for the ones who read it already... they can catch up).... for those who don't... well...
By "they" ou mean who? If is random fansubs, it is obvious there will be subs, eventually. If you are talking about Kadokawa, well, I really hope they don't. :heh: Or, at last, they contract someone good to do that job. The subs in the You-Tube episodes were somewhat awful.
At least they're trying. Fantastic move and attempt to engage an international audience; simulcasting is the buzzword for the year, and for good reason.
Fansubbers are definitely going to obtain and export Disappearance within a month or so of release. If Kadokawa pre-empts them... what does that mean? More goodwill towards Kadokawa? Will export sales go down when it's finally released to the North American market, or are the losses from fansubbing roughly equivilent anyway?
I've been thinking about fansubbing lately...
At least they're trying. Fantastic move and attempt to engage an international audience; simulcasting is the buzzword for the year, and for good reason.
Fansubbers are definitely going to obtain and export Disappearance within a month or so of release. If Kadokawa pre-empts them... what does that mean? More goodwill towards Kadokawa? Will export sales go down when it's finally released to the North American market, or are the losses from fansubbing roughly equivilent anyway?
I've been thinking about fansubbing lately...
You are right.
It is a good move, actually, if the japanese DVD already have an english sub, then people from other parts of the world might buy. Even if the sales go down latter, with an official North America release, there wil be no loss (as people who didn't buy the american version already bought the japanese version anyway).
A nice way to combat fansubbing.
Still, it would be nice if they do a decent translation. :heh:
I heard they contracted out the Haruhi-chan and S2 translations to a group that weren't native english speakers - turns out they did translation work for a bunch of different languages.
Those subs were pretty competant but they were nowhere near (awesome) fansub quality. And that's, you know, bad.
Still, in order to get simultaneous release the quality expectation lowers a little. But you'd think they'd get someone awesome in English to proofread. I know next to nothing about the translation industry but it seriously cannot be that hard to find a decent one.
Eh, what do you mean by different lanaguages? It wasn't only english?
Anyway, a better quality is desired, sure. But, as you said, a simultaneous release effect, negatvelly, that matter. I guess I was just whining before.
Eh, what do you mean by different lanaguages? It wasn't only english?
Anyway, a better quality is desired, sure. But, as you said, a simultaneous release effect, negatvelly, that matter. I guess I was just whining before.
I meant the group itself translates material into a variety of languages - French, German, Russian - they weren't a specialist English translator, as such.
aegisofrime
2009-11-02, 10:44
The release date has apparently been leaked (Intentionally or Not)
6th February 2010
Stumbled onto it on a ... "Anime news website" Not sure if I'm allowed to mention it, but anyway here's their source:
http://cinecitta.co.jp/schedule/monthly/index.html
The relevant details:
FEBRUARY
2月6日～ 涼宮ハルヒの消失
I meant the group itself translates material into a variety of languages - French, German, Russian - they weren't a specialist English translator, as such.
I see, thanks of the info. This explain a lot, I guess.
The release date has apparently been leaked (Intentionally or Not)
6th February 2010
Stumbled onto it on a ... "Anime news website" Not sure if I'm allowed to mention it, but anyway here's their source:
http://cinecitta.co.jp/schedule/monthly/index.html
The relevant details:
FEBRUARY
2月6日～ 涼宮ハルヒの消失
Sooner then I tought. Great news. (just 2 weeks after Unlimited Blade Works)
However, is this site reliable?
ultimatemegax
2009-11-02, 12:48
Sooner then I tought. Great news. (just 2 weeks after Unlimited Blade Works)
However, is this site reliable?
It appears to be a website that lets you order tickets to movies via the internet or through your cell phone in Japan. I'd say it's about 70% chance that this is the legit opening day. The only thing that this correlates to in the books is one day before Intrigues takes place, so there's no hint from the novels whether this is a possible date or not. A big mark against this date is the fact that the teaser said "Spring", and this would still be in the "Winter" season of anime. There is also the possibility that orders would begin on this date for showings later, so that has to be taken into consideration.
It appears to be a website that lets you order tickets to movies via the internet or through your cell phone in Japan. I'd say it's about 70% chance that this is the legit opening day. The only thing that this correlates to in the books is one day before Intrigues takes place, so there's no hint from the novels whether this is a possible date or not. A big mark against this date is the fact that the teaser said "Spring", and this would still be in the "Winter" season of anime. There is also the possibility that orders would begin on this date for showings later, so that has to be taken into consideration.
ANN is now reporting it via animeanime.jp so it has some validity. Also, February is also considered spring as far as anime planning goes.
ultimatemegax
2009-11-02, 15:03
ANN is now reporting it via animeanime.jp so it has some validity. Also, February is also considered spring as far as anime planning goes.
The animeanime.jp link refers to the earlier story in that article about the Gintama film, but the article does link to the cinecitta website, so that's where that information is from in that article. We're still looking at only one website, and not an official release yet. Don't mistake my intentions, I do believe that the cinecitta information is likely correct, but I'm just making sure that something official is out before I celebrate.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-02, 16:16
February 6th, huh? If true, that's a pretty amusing date for the debut...
Team Rocket Elite
2009-11-02, 16:46
So 3 months away? That's not too bad.
You are right.
It is a good move, actually, if the japanese DVD already have an english sub, then people from other parts of the world might buy. Even if the sales go down latter, with an official North America release, there wil be no loss (as people who didn't buy the american version already bought the japanese version anyway).
A nice way to combat fansubbing.
Still, it would be nice if they do a decent translation. :heh:
I'd like it in a theater (if they do some awesome fansubs like Dattebayo or something). (Or hire fansubbers to get more people to come in).
Something about the theater makes me want to watch it from there...
Archangel Roy
2009-11-03, 04:12
So 3 months away? That's not too bad.
Yeah, i can stand the wait, [I survived endless eight, i can survive this xD]
aegisofrime
2009-11-03, 06:29
Yeah, i can stand the wait, [I survived endless eight, i can survive this xD]
It's longer than 3 months, unless you live in Japan and can understand Japanese. Or if you are able to accept crappy camcorded "rips"
Thankfully, if I'm not wrong, anime movie DVDs and Blu-Rays come out faster than typically Hollywood movies DVDs right?
quigonkenny
2009-11-03, 12:34
It's longer than 3 months, unless you live in Japan and can understand Japanese. Or if you are able to accept crappy camcorded "rips"
Thankfully, if I'm not wrong, anime movie DVDs and Blu-Rays come out faster than typically Hollywood movies DVDs right?
My understanding is no.
Here's hoping I win the lottery between now and then so I can afford to quit my job and fly over there for the premier... ^_^
I hope the date won't change... (knowing KyoAni... they'd change the date or something at the last moment.... with "Nice Boat")
The search keeps on ending up with February 6, 2010... (we'll see if that's true)
Not yet in KyoAni's or Kadokawa's website though
Mecha_Trueno
2009-11-03, 20:35
Ah man, this is where it starts again.
I just hope we get a CONFIRMED release date quick, so I can book my ticket already.
Dammit, why is it that the cheap airlines, like Ryan air and easyjet, don't even go to Japan:(.
I heard they contracted out the Haruhi-chan and S2 translations to a group that weren't native english speakers - turns out they did translation work for a bunch of different languages.
Those subs were pretty competant but they were nowhere near (awesome) fansub quality. And that's, you know, bad.I'd like it in a theater (if they do some awesome fansubs like Dattebayo or something). (Or hire fansubbers to get more people to come in).
Something about the theater makes me want to watch it from there...Dunno what your current level of Japanese is, but the Haruhi-chan translations were terrible.
While we're on it, Dattebayo subs can't really be considered "awsome" either. They're watchable, but not good. Even without nit picking, there's plenty of mistakes almost every episode.
HitagiIsHot
2009-11-03, 22:12
Ah man, this is where it starts again.
I just hope we get a CONFIRMED release date quick, so I can book my ticket already.
Agreed, unless it's officially confirmed you could possibly be setting yourself up for a release date trolling (intentional or unintentional). Wonder if KyoAni will release a statement about the leak or what not. Feel free to also check out an article I wrote on my opinion on this here (http://enroutejourney.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/the-disappearance-of-haruhi-suzumiya-movie-release-date-leaked/).
I hope the date won't change... (knowing KyoAni... they'd change the date or something at the last moment.... with "Nice Boat")
They can't do that in a theater release, you know. It is not how it works. Also, as far I remember, they did it once, in a free You-Tube mini-episode. They also released it in the same day, anyway.
I agree we should wait for a better confirmation, tough.
Dunno what your current level of Japanese is, but the Haruhi-chan translations were terrible.
While we're on it, Dattebayo subs can't really be considered "awsome" either. They're watchable, but not good. Even without nit picking, there's plenty of mistakes almost every episode.
I suppose you speak japanese right? Then what is your opinion about the sub of the rerun episodes? As bad as Haruhi-chan?
Dunno what your current level of Japanese is, but the Haruhi-chan translations were terrible.
While we're on it, Dattebayo subs can't really be considered "awesome" either. They're watchable, but not good. Even without nit picking, there's plenty of mistakes almost every episode.
I need some proof on what part was "Dattebayo" bad
my level would be around JLPT 4
@Heatth: Yeah, best to wait for Kadokawa or KyoAni to release the dates.
ijuinkun
2009-11-04, 04:57
The biggest problem with translations as contract work (as opposed to having somebody in your company who does it) is that speed and price get priority over quality--in the extreme cases you get stuff that is barely comprehensible to people in the target language, but the company doesn't care because it only took a week and cost a thousand bucks to translate instead of three times as much time and ten times as much money for good-as-native translation. This attitude is especially strong when budget and schedule decisions for translated editions are being made by somebody who thinks of languages other than his own as being "not real speech".
Dunno what your current level of Japanese is, but the Haruhi-chan translations were terrible.
While we're on it, Dattebayo subs can't really be considered "awsome" either. They're watchable, but not good. Even without nit picking, there's plenty of mistakes almost every episode.
Given that I don't speak Japanese any translation that is accurate enough to convey the jokes is good enough for me
Obviously I would like better subs but I take what I can get
Mecha_Trueno
2009-11-04, 20:32
I just thought of something... What's the chances of bumping into another gaijin Haruhiist flying over just to watch the movie when I get on the plane?:heh:
I suppose you speak japanese right? Then what is your opinion about the sub of the rerun episodes? As bad as Haruhi-chan?LOL I didn't even there were 'official' subs for the rerun:heh:... were those translations contract work as well?
I need some proof on what part was "Dattebayo" bad
my level would be around JLPT 4For the recent bunch of Bleach releases, there's been quite a few mistakes (some subtle, some huge) almost every week.
Can't be bothered to dig through them right now but I'll have a quick skim and see if I land on one...
Iaevuous
2009-11-04, 20:51
LOL I didn't even there were 'official' subs for the rerun:heh:... were those translations contract work as well?
If I recall correctly, the subtitles for the rerun episodes were taken from Bandai subtitles. Actually taken, DVD-yellow subtitles and all.
If I recall correctly, the subtitles for the rerun episodes were taken from Bandai subtitles. Actually taken, DVD-yellow subtitles and all.
Yes, the 2006 episodes were straight dvd rips from the Bandai subs. The S2/2009 episodes (all 2 that they put on the internet) were the same people who did haruhi-chan.
ultimatemegax
2009-11-09, 07:44
Ah man, this is where it starts again.
I just hope we get a CONFIRMED release date quick, so I can book my ticket already.
I have good news for you then. As confirmed on the official Haruhi website, the movie is officially out on the 6th of February in Japan. Tickets can be booked in advance starting on the 21st of this month. Link to the official website page is here. (http://haruhi.tv/fanclub/syoshitsu.html) The movie will be approximately 150 minutes (2.5 hours) long and features all of the seiyū back to voice their characters.
aegisofrime
2009-11-09, 08:21
Official art for the movie, it seems. This pic=win. It really made my day :D
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/274/bespectacledmeganenagat.jpg
The movie will be approximately 150 minutes (2.5 hours) long
:eek:
Well, that's certainly better than a 75-minute or so movie, but still...
worldruined
2009-11-09, 08:44
I have good news for you then. As confirmed on the official Haruhi website, the movie is officially out on the 6th of February in Japan. Tickets can be booked in advance starting on the 21st of this month. Link to the official website page is here. (http://haruhi.tv/fanclub/syoshitsu.html) The movie will be approximately 150 minutes (2.5 hours) long and features all of the seiyū back to voice their characters.
And there was much rejoicing.
:eek:
Well, that's certainly better than a 75-minute or so movie, but still...
You're complaining about a 150-minute anime movie? That's amazingly good news. Most anime films are 90-120 minutes at most and they've actually given this enough air time to cover a full novel without crazy rushing.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-09, 10:02
That's about the same amount of time Melancholy got, maybe even a little more. Honestly, it's probably too much time for this. :heh:
Triple_R
2009-11-09, 10:31
That's about the same amount of time Melancholy got, maybe even a little more. Honestly, it's probably too much time for this. :heh:
For movies in general - animated or live-action - I tend to think that anything significantly over 2 hours is usually pushing it. (This is what I've learned from Kevin Costner movies ;) )
There are exceptions of course, but my own ideal movie length is probably 110 to 130 minutes (including credits).
I suppose that the good news here, though, is that to make the movie this long, they're probably either going to...
1) Keep pretty much all of the Kyon narration
2) Really spice up some action scenes
3) Throw in the Prologue for Intrigues
4) Have a truly awesome OP song and/or ED song
5) 2 or more of the above.
Better too long than too short, anyway. But, yeah, this may feel a bit too decompressed. Novel 4 never struck me as something that would take this much time to do justice to.
Official art for the movie, it seems. This pic=win. It really made my day :D
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/274/bespectacledmeganenagat.jpg
lol someone will probably compile all of the "Disappearance" images...
worldruined
2009-11-09, 10:37
lol someone will probably compile all of the "Disappearance" images...
90% Nagato
8% Haruhi
1.5% Kyon
0.5% everyone else
:meh:
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-09, 10:37
I think 150 minutes gives them some wiggle room to take their time with more crucial parts of the story and add their own flair to it. I'm personally very much looking forward to seeing how they visually interpret a story I had so much fun reading. Remember that 'the movie of the book' should bring something unique to the table that the book does not, rather than just directly porting the book onto the screen. This time slot gives them the room to cover all necessary territory and do so with their own finesse.
For movies in general - animated or live-action - I tend to think that anything significantly over 2 hours is usually pushing it. (This is what I've learned from Kevin Costner movies ;) )
There are exceptions of course, but my own ideal movie length is probably 110 to 130 minutes (including credits).
Oh, I have to disagree here. First off, perhaps your mistake is watching Kevin Costner movies. (coughwaterworldcough) ;) Many of my favorites are significantly longer than 120 minutes, since you mention Western movies: Gladiator (154), The Departed (151), Braveheart (175), The Godfather (175), The Dark Knight(152), The Shawshank Repemption (142), just to name a few.
I can understand your feelings, as I have been in those situations where a movie seems to drag on forever, but I think well done movies can be (but don't have to be) long.
Glad you're being optimistic about the options the movie could contain to be longer though, even though it's longer than your personal tastes. I haven't read the novels, because I want to read them in Japanese and I've been too lazy to order them, so I don't really have a basis for figuring out if the length of the novel fits the length of movie. I'm just glad it won't be super condensed.
FlashFumo
2009-11-09, 11:43
I have good news for you then. As confirmed on the official Haruhi website, the movie is officially out on the 6th of February in Japan. Tickets can be booked in advance starting on the 21st of this month. Link to the official website page is here. (http://haruhi.tv/fanclub/syoshitsu.html) The movie will be approximately 150 minutes (2.5 hours) long and features all of the seiyū back to voice their characters.
One hundred and fifty minutes?
...
Well, my fears of a compressed adaptation have been killed off. :heh:
Jonbob0008
2009-11-09, 12:16
Two and a half hours of epic win? Sign me up! :D
150 minutes... 150/22= 6.82 episodes... so probably nearly 6.5 episodes + 3 min ending
That's a lot of disappearance. That seems overly long for some reason. Disappearance is relatively short novel wise I thought.
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-09, 13:10
Why is everyone trying to think of the movie in terms of episode equivalency? A movie is a different beast entirely from a series. The series was under obligations to have its episode blocks tell a compact, cohesive story in the 22-minute region, so each story that was dealt with had to be adapted to an episode structure, but with Disappearance, the movie format means that it will be given as much time as is taken to present something less concerned with compactness and more concerned with artistry and depth.
Why is everyone trying to think of the movie in terms of episode equivalency? A movie is a different beast entirely from a series. The series was under obligations to have its episode blocks tell a compact, cohesive story in the 22-minute region, so each story that was dealt with had to be adapted to an episode structure,
You forget the Sigh episodes. (5x22 min "movie" that was exactly split, with no overlap and no filler.)
ultimatemegax
2009-11-09, 13:31
You forget the Sigh episodes. (5x22 min "movie" that was exactly split, with no overlap and no filler.)
Having edited the five Sigh episodes together, with only the first OP and no EDs to make one cohesive movie, they sum just under 120 minutes total. I will review the two books tonight and compare the action and dialogue that is written compared to the description of people, times, and places and see if there is more of the former compared to the latter in Disappearance than Sigh that would make more of an additional 30 minutes. Count on at least 4-7 minutes total being credits (opening and closing), as well as any sort of "introduction" for the people seeing the series for the first time.
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-09, 13:32
You forget the Sigh episodes. (5x22 min "movie" that was exactly split, with no overlap and no filler.)
No, I'm not forgetting them. They fall under the purview of my 'adapted for episodic structure' statement, where explicit timing choices were made regardless of overlap or filler in order to make each individual block more viewable on its own. How successful this was or not is aside the point: a movie that is intended to be watched in a single sitting versus episodes that can be, but are not explicitly intended to be, is likely going to have a different pace.
Consider that this is one of the most hotly anticipated pieces of the Haruhi franchise, with considerable fan support for it and interest in it. This is why a movie was the best choice for it, and why it will be a long movie: because without time constraints, the focus will be solely on bringing the story fully to life. Episodes endeavored to do that, but only ever within the acceptable bounds of time limits. Sighs is not an exception.
M.Marangio
2009-11-09, 13:42
Another page from haruhi.tv has links to the web pages and phone numbers of the movie theatres: http://www.haruhi.tv/schedule.html.
Team Rocket Elite
2009-11-09, 15:30
It's nice to see official confirmation. 2.5 hours seems a bit long but they should be able to make it work.
Too bad this movie will never, and then I really mean NEVUHR be shown on screen at cinemas over here at the Netherlands
God, I hate this country I live in. I mean really. It's the chance of a lifetime to see my beloved Yuki in HD instead of a 19' inch PC monitor.
SgtHydra
2009-11-09, 17:15
Too bad this movie will never, and then I really mean NEVUHR be shown on screen at cinemas over here at the Netherlands
God, I hate this country I live in.
Pfft, this will never even see a movie screen outside of Japan.
We can only pray that they will release a subbed version worldwide quickly, perhaps in an attenmpt to beat the fansubbers to the punch.
Hey, money can make people do all sorts of things, sometimes in our favor.
Too bad this movie will never, and then I really mean NEVUHR be shown on screen at cinemas over here at the Netherlands
God, I hate this country I live in. I mean really. It's the chance of a lifetime to see my beloved Yuki in HD instead of a 19' inch PC monitor.Oh hi, you live here too?
Also, I don't know, earlier today I saw that Evangelion 1.0 got shown somewhere 'round here. But if that doesn't happen, just wait for a DVD/Blu-Ray fansub.
Triple_R
2009-11-09, 18:01
Pfft, this will never even see a movie screen outside of Japan.
We can only pray that they will release a subbed version worldwide quickly, perhaps in an attenmpt to beat the fansubbers to the punch.
Hey, money can make people do all sorts of things, sometimes in our favor.
Agreed. That's the best case scenario.
PrincessFrani
2009-11-09, 18:22
Two and a half hours of epic win? Sign me up! :D
I'm in as well! :D
Kadokawa's international response to fan demand will be interesting, though I doubt it will go anywhere further than including (their traditionally dodgy) subs on the DVDs when they launch.
Kadokawa's international response to fan demand will be interesting, though I doubt it will go anywhere further than including (their traditionally dodgy) subs on the DVDs when they launch.
This is why we (don't) pay a few random Moonspeaking nerds to do the better subtitles for us. :)
And no money goes to KyoAni, derp.
When people say 'fansubbing/rampant piracy is killing the industry' they're not kidding around.
And no money goes to KyoAni, derp.
When people say 'fansubbing/rampant piracy is killing the industry' they're not kidding around.
Yeah, but see, I buy the English-dub DVDs. Mainly because I hate their subs so much, I'd rather have the dub, derp. Plus, native language and all.
:D
Hahaha, 150 mins long... looks like KyoAni is gonna make up all that money they lost on E8.
S2 = hype machine (got people talking Haruhi again)/dvd~blu-ray should sell ok
movie showing = sold out $$$
DVD/Blu-ray movie = more $$$
Brilliant, just brilliant. Oh and I'm just dreading the size of the Blu-ray rip of a 2.5 hour long movie in 1080p...
Oh, and whenever/if it makes it over to my region I'd definitely buy S2 and the Disappearance movie, just so you know ;)
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-11-10, 02:02
Hahaha, 150 mins long... looks like KyoAni is gonna make up all that money they lost on E8.
S2 = hype machine (got people talking Haruhi again)/dvd~blu-ray should sell ok
movie showing = sold out $$$
DVD/Blu-ray movie = more $$$
Brilliant, just brilliant. Oh and I'm just dreading the size of the Blu-ray rip of a 2.5 hour long movie in 1080p...
Oh, and whenever/if it makes it over to my region I'd definitely buy S2 and the Disappearance movie, just so you know ;)
Keep in mind that a long movie is actually risky. The longer the movie, the less screening per day a cinema can have for the movie, which means the cinema would sell less tickets on that movie per day than a shorter movie that could have been screened instead. That's why many Hollywood movies actually get edited for length during screening and only have the full length on the DVDs.
KyoAni is placing a lot of faith in the movie to make it this long. Or perhaps, they are too inexperienced to notice that it is a bad idea. It might well work out, I am personally certainly happier that the movie would be long.
baltakatei
2009-11-10, 02:08
If the Haruhi fanbase would actually regularly buy the animated products KyoAni makes, Kadokawa wouldn't have to resort to so-called "gimmicks" and hype tactics to try and boost lagging sales. If you ask me, resorting to gambles like Endless Eight and the Haruhi-chan "Nice Boat" stunt is more a sign of desperation than of solid success.
If the Disappearance movie is released without dangerously quirky stunts (delays, super secret release schedule, an in-theater "Nice Boat" etc.), then I'd say the Haruhi franchise has secured its future for a third season. If not, then pack your bags folks.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-10, 02:21
If the Disappearance movie is released without dangerously quirky stunts (delays, super secret release schedule, an in-theater "Nice Boat" etc.), then I'd say the Haruhi franchise has secured its future for a third season. If not, then pack your bags folks.
I'm just afraid that, if we do get one, season "three" will end up being nothing but Volume 7 in order to compensate for Disappearance taking up so much time. :heh:
Keep in mind that a long movie is actually risky. The longer the movie, the less screening per day a cinema can have for the movie, which means the cinema would sell less tickets on that movie per day than a shorter movie that could have been screened instead. That's why many Hollywood movies actually get edited for length during screening and only have the full length on the DVDs.
KyoAni is placing a lot of faith in the movie to make it this long. Or perhaps, they are too inexperienced to notice that it is a bad idea. It might well work out, I am personally certainly happier that the movie would be long.
Personally, I don't think a long movie is that risky.
I guarantee you that peeps would be complaining about a condensed version of this arc...
All, KyoAni needs to do is stay faithful to the book and it's pretty much a guaranteed success. To be honest, the only way it could be considered a failure by some is if they omitted some scenes... so this 2.5 hour movie is probably the safest bet to satisfy the hardcore Haruhi fans.
Seriously, as long as production values are good... no one can screw up Disappearance... unless they tried.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 03:36
They're doing one of two things:
1) Integrating the Vol. 7 prologue in somehow to really wrap up the story, or
2) Not cutting anything from Kyon's monologues.
Vol. 4 is simply not long enough for 150 minutes. :heh:
They're doing one of two things:
1) Integrating the Vol. 7 prologue in somehow to really wrap up the story, or
2) Not cutting anything from Kyon's monologues.
Vol. 4 is simply not long enough for 150 minutes. :heh:
I believe the first option is the most obvious choice. However, that would this year season's effort to get everything in chronological order useless. :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 04:32
Why is everyone trying to think of the movie in terms of episode equivalency? A movie is a different beast entirely from a series. The series was under obligations to have its episode blocks tell a compact, cohesive story in the 22-minute region, so each story that was dealt with had to be adapted to an episode structure, but with Disappearance, the movie format means that it will be given as much time as is taken to present something less concerned with compactness and more concerned with artistry and depth.
Yes artistry and depth.......or possibly gimmicks and marketing. I guess we'll know by next year. Though considering one short story took eight episodes to tell in the second season I'm thinking they are going to need all the time they can possibly get for this movie just to finish it in time.
I have to wonder whether E8 was a 'Man everybody will love us for being artsy!" thing that failed miserably or a "We have enough fans that we can piss everybody off by being artsy and still be profitable" that worked JUST AS PLANNED thing.
They're doing one of two things:
1) Integrating the Vol. 7 prologue in somehow to really wrap up the story, or
2) Not cutting anything from Kyon's monologues.
Vol. 4 is simply not long enough for 150 minutes. :heh:I just think that they can't put in Vol. 7's prologue,because what happens in Snow Mountain Syndrome is essntial to Kyon before he does what he needs to do.
Team Rocket Elite
2009-11-10, 04:40
If the Haruhi fanbase would actually regularly buy the animated products KyoAni makes, Kadokawa wouldn't have to resort to so-called "gimmicks" and hype tactics to try and boost lagging sales. If you ask me, resorting to gambles like Endless Eight and the Haruhi-chan "Nice Boat" stunt is more a sign of desperation than of solid success.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the Season 1 DVDs sold really well in Japan. The Endless Eight DVDs aren't selling as well as Season 1, but they still sold quite a large number and I would imagine they had a lot lower expectations for the Endless Eight DVDs as well.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 04:47
I have to wonder whether E8 was a 'Man everybody will love us for being artsy!" thing that failed miserably or a "We have enough fans that we can piss everybody off by being artsy and still be profitable" that worked JUST AS PLANNED thing.
I think both. As in anything can be interpreted as artsy and methodically planned out if someone really wants to and that they knew that Haruhi/Kyoani fans were historically the kind of fans that would want to. The operative word in there being historically. If this were 2007 I think it would have gone off without a hitch, but the post-Haruhi (2006) Kyoani popularity hype thing had been long over by the time this season rolled around and Haruhi was no longer the next big thing. I mean think of all the hit series that came inbetween Haruhi season 1 and 2.
In that sense I think it's smart to do the movie next year instead of in the distant future, but that it again also seems like a case of too little too late.
To add just a little more, to all of those people that are trying to claim that a good movie would make up for Endless Eight, I don't see it that way at all. Something unrelated to that story can't really make up for it retroactively, but it is a chance to do better and start with a clean slate.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 05:09
I think both. As in anything can be interpreted as artsy and methodically planned out if someone really wants to and that they knew that Haruhi/Kyoani fans were historically the kind of fans that would want to. The operative word in there being historically. If this were 2007 I think it would have gone off without a hitch, but the post-Haruhi (2006) Kyoani popularity hype thing had been long over by the time this season rolled around and Haruhi was no longer the next big thing. I mean think of all the hit series that came inbetween Haruhi season 1 and 2.
No one is stupid enough to enjoy eight episodes of the same damn thing regardless of what year it is.
(Enjoy it for what it is, I mean. I know there were people who liked E8, but they were enjoying it for the different perspectives, art styles, etc as I recall.)
And hit series...? What hit series?
Um. Geass, I guess. I really can't think of anything else. :heh:
Not to mention KyoAni backlash from LuckyStar and K-On.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 05:28
No one is stupid enough to enjoy eight episodes of the same damn thing regardless of what year it is.
And hit series...? What hit series?
Um. Geass, I guess. I really can't think of anything else. :heh:
Not enjoy, but perhaps be more willing to let it slide.
And well.....Gurren Lagann, Gundam 00, Lucky Star Clannad, Bakemonogatari, Macross Frontier, K-On, Higurashi, Kara No Kyoukai.....there's more, but they were all pretty big hits in one category or another.
As for Geass I think it actually launches past Haruhi and into a category of it's own for popularity. Perhaps even the hit of the decade. I seem to recall thinking how it stole Haruhi's thunder towards the end of 2006 and then it just kept going and drawing all the attention everywhere it went.
Haruhi had a lot to live up to just on it's own let alone all of the other hot titles that came after it's first season and I think more than a number of things didn't work out as planned for the second season, especially in that Haruhi (2006) had some of the best timing I have ever seen with that summer season and Haruhi 2009 had some of the worst.
Not to mention KyoAni backlash from Lucky Star and K-On.
I don't think it was a backlash, but that people just kind of gotten bored with their style of anime by the time Haruhi 2009 came out. Plus like the season gap problem there had already been so many moeblob anime between the first season of Haruhi and the second that I think a lot of what made Haruhi initially seem appealing and fresh now made it look tired and treaded, which also possibly affected it's reception and the sustainability of the hype as the season trundled along through old and new episodes. In that regard I don't see how the movie can possibly change anything or revitalize the franchise with it's content to it's once vaunted status of "fresh and original". Though judging by intial reactions I think people don't really expect it to, which is probably smart. And besides the Yuki picture kind of speaks for itself about what to expect more or less and is probably all the advertising they really need.
I have to wonder whether E8 was a 'Man everybody will love us for being artsy!" thing that failed miserably or a "We have enough fans that we can piss everybody off by being artsy and still be profitable" that worked JUST AS PLANNED thing.
Think it's neither. Kyoani knew E8 would not be accepted easily, the commentators words on the baseball game in the first bit of E8 are a fine piece of self mockery on that part.
What I suspect is that E8 was extended beyond 2 or 3 episodes when Kyoani got the go-ahead for the movie. Doubt anyone would have expected the intensity of the outcry over a few filler episodes.
That is really where we see the Dictonomy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
On the one hand it's a succesfull niche product targeted at the otaku market. The buyers, mostly adult collectors given the price of R2 DVDs, seem largely unaffected by E8, be it that the sales of anime DVDs in general have dropped significantly due to economic slow down and Blu-ray competition.
The internet fanbase is a different story. The meme's, viral marketing and hype created a brand that is recognisable far beyond the hardcore anime crowd. E8 was the final straw that turned the hype into hate. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the bashing is just the popular thing to do. However as long as the series fires up the emotions it wont fade away.
The movie is a separate mystery. If the Kadokawa/Kyoani had played it safe they could have just left dispearance in, announced the second season up front and made a compilation/alternate interpretation movie based on the existing episodes and probably not created a riot.
My guess is they are betting hard on this movie. Also no other Kyoani production has been announced afaik since may. All their resources seem to be focused on this movie. In the time frame avaiable for the movie Kyoani used to do a 13 and a 24 episode series. So we are talking about a serious budget from Kadokawa for this movie. The question is why all these risks? What's to gain?
So is this an all-or-nothing bet, then, in your opinion?
hmm, I would guess so.
A succesfull movie at the box office of the most popular novel installment might bring Haruhi under the attention of mainstream Japanese audiences. Attracting the light novel readers, some good advertising and positive word of mouth could just do that.
There is not much growth left for the franchise in the anime subculture. So I'm guessing Kadokawa is gambling on expansion. No matter what crazed fanboys claim, Haruhi is not even close to the levels of say Gundam, Eva or Yamato who all reached the mainstream. (nor is it comparable in popularity to real mainstream (read sanitized) anime like Sazae san, Doreamon, Pocket monsters and whatever prime time Shonen is popular now)
Kyoani has everything to gain, a succesfull movie could lift them from mainly subcontracting work to larger projects. While they haven't got much experience in leading such a project, they have worked on some of the biggest anime movie projects to date, like some of the Ghibli movies and Akira.
Though this is no guarantee. Haruhi is still an adaption, Kyoani's own creative works haven't really been a big succes sofar.
Triple_R
2009-11-10, 10:05
No one is stupid enough to enjoy eight episodes of the same damn thing regardless of what year it is.
(Enjoy it for what it is, I mean. I know there were people who liked E8, but they were enjoying it for the different perspectives, art styles, etc as I recall.)
And hit series...? What hit series?
I don't know if there's been that many major commercial hits (for example, I don't know how well Gurren Lagann or Code Geass actually sold), but there have been quite a few heavily hyped and popular anime that have kind of knocked Haruhi down a few pegs in the collective consciousness of anime fans. This is what happens with a three-year layoff in the modern anime environment, where the fan focus is intensely on that which is new, if not brand new. It's a very "What have you done for me lately?" environment, almost entirely lacking in nostalgia.
Code Geass, Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Higurashi, K-On, and Soul Eater have all received quite a bit of hype on various anime boards, and have... stolen some of Haruhi's thunder you could say. For awhile in 2006 (and probably well into 2007), Haruhi had reached internet phenomena heights, but the long three-year layoff cooled that off significantly.
I don't know if E8 could have been given a pass by the wider anime world even back in 2007... but it's likely that it would have done less damage back then. Really, a lot of factors came together to create the perfect storm of core fan discontent and casual fan disinterest for Haruhi:
1) The three-year layoff, involving more than a few false starts.
2) KyoAni/Kadokawa's tendency towards 'nice boat' events and arguably viral marketing.
3) The dramatic art style changes between Haruhi 2006 and a large chunk of Haruhi 2009
4) Eight episodes of E8
And the lightning of this perfect storm was a new 2009 hit anime called Bakemonogatari that appeals to precisely the sort of anime fans that loved Haruhi 2006.
Can the Disappearance movie sail the good ship Haruhi through this perfect storm? It might be able to... but the ship will still bear some lasting scars, possibly.
All of the above being said, it definitely looks like KyoAni is betting all their chips on Disappearance. It now looks like Haruhi 2009 was designed primarily to lead into and promote a hopefully hit Disappearance movie, rather than being a hit season in and of itself like Haruhi 2006 was.
This is quite the bold gamble on KyoAni's part, and it'll be interesting to see if it will pay off or not.
No, I'm not forgetting them. They fall under the purview of my 'adapted for episodic structure' statement, where explicit timing choices were made regardless of overlap or filler in order to make each individual block more viewable on its own.
But Sigh was the exact opposite. There was nothing done to make each episode more viewable or more episodic in structure. They even spliced once right in the middle of Mikuru's speech. (There is actually something that was supposedly done for pacing which would mean that any timing choices are pure coincidence and they actually were under a completely different constraint*, but I've only seen it mentioned once ever and it was never mentioned here.)
*Supposedly it is paced based on text of and not the actual pace of the book. (ex. 5000 words per episode.)
movie showing = sold out $$$
Maybe the first day or two, but that's it. Anime movies that aren't for kids don't do that well.
If the Haruhi fanbase would actually regularly buy the animated products KyoAni makes, Kadokawa wouldn't have to resort to so-called "gimmicks" and hype tactics to try and boost lagging sales. If you ask me, resorting to gambles like Endless Eight and the Haruhi-chan "Nice Boat" stunt is more a sign of desperation than of solid success.Haruhi-chan nice-boat "gimmick" had...no effect on anything? The DVDs all sold pretty well, better than the last S2 DVD in fact.
If the Disappearance movie is released without dangerously quirky stunts (delays, super secret release schedule, an in-theater "Nice Boat" etc.), then I'd say the Haruhi franchise has secured its future for a third season. If not, then pack your bags folks.You can't play those games with a movie. Movies are extremely expensive propositions.
My guess is they are betting hard on this movie. Also no other Kyoani production has been announced afaik since may. All their resources seem to be focused on this movie. In the time frame avaiable for the movie Kyoani used to do a 13 and a 24 episode series. So we are talking about a serious budget from Kadokawa for this movie. The question is why all these risks? What's to gain?Because you have to. It is expected that animation quality is better for a movie and that you have a higher per-minute production budget. You cannot cheap out. Frequently, movies are created by somewhat separate movie staffs for other studios like Pierrot, Sunrise, and the like. I don't know how Japanese costs break down for showings though. If it is still like the US, every print is absurdly expensive to make.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 14:41
This is quite the bold gamble on KyoAni's part, and it'll be interesting to see if it will pay off or not.
I assume many diehard Haruhi fans will proceed to enjoy anything they string out. Even fans who were totally put off by Endless Eight, I can't see them totally abandoning Haruhi with a movie coming out (unless they absolutely feel Kyoani will screw them over again). Needless to say I do think the viewing audience has and will diminish for many of the reasons you stated.
The fact of the matter is that Haruhi just doesn't have an opposing force over the competition like it did back in the day and unless this movie is some groundbreaking masterpiece I don't see Haruhi ever reclaiming that popularity it once had.
Triple_R
2009-11-10, 14:49
I assume many diehard Haruhi fans will proceed to enjoy anything they string out. Even fans who were totally put off by Endless Eight, I can't see them totally abandoning Haruhi with a movie coming out (unless they absolutely feel Kyoani will screw them over again). Needless to say I do think the viewing audience has and will diminish for many of the reasons you stated.
The fact of the matter is that Haruhi just doesn't have an opposing force over the competition like it did back in the day and unless this movie is some groundbreaking masterpiece I don't see Haruhi ever reclaiming that popularity it once had.
I agree with you here.
The Disappearance movie is going to do very well with the diehard fans no matter what, I think, but your point on Haruhi's likelihood of reclaiming the broader popularity it once had is probably right as well.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 14:56
Think it's neither. Kyoani knew E8 would not be accepted easily, the commentators words on the baseball game in the first bit of E8 are a fine piece of self mockery on that part.
What I suspect is that E8 was extended beyond 2 or 3 episodes when Kyoani got the go-ahead for the movie. Doubt anyone would have expected the intensity of the outcry over a few filler episodes.
Actually I'm pretty sure E8 was eight episodes long simply because of the gimmick of it being called Endless Eight and the chance for people to be able to go "I see what you did there" as if it was exceptionally clever.
The internet fanbase is a different story. The meme's, viral marketing and hype created a brand that is recognisable far beyond the hardcore anime crowd. E8 was the final straw that turned the hype into hate. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the bashing is just the popular thing to do. However as long as the series fires up the emotions it wont fade away.
Actually the one's who recognize it probably are the harcore anime crowd. Everyone else probably stumbled across it by accident and have no idea what they are looking at. And yes a lot of the bashing is just the popular thing to do now (it's like Haruhi took the torch from Code Geass in that regard for being popular and heading into a second season), but a while ago it was the exact opposite and it was praising that was seen as the expected thing to do where Haruhi was concerned.
The movie is a separate mystery. If the Kadokawa/Kyoani had played it safe they could have just left dispearance in, announced the second season up front and made a compilation/alternate interpretation movie based on the existing episodes and probably not created a riot.
My guess is they are betting hard on this movie. Also no other Kyoani production has been announced afaik since may. All their resources seem to be focused on this movie. In the time frame avaiable for the movie Kyoani used to do a 13 and a 24 episode series. So we are talking about a serious budget from Kadokawa for this movie. The question is why all these risks? What's to gain?
Money is to gain obviously, but Kadokawa doesn't seem to know how to market through the normal channels at all. Plus the hip thing to do now seems to be to run a season and then announce a movie sequel or some kind of OVA follow up at the end of it. Gundam 00 did it, Eden of the East did it, and countless other series have done the OVA thing. I'm pretty sure they are just following suit.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 15:02
Haruhi's likelihood of reclaiming the broader popularity it once had is probably right as well.
Kyoani kind of shot themselves in the foot in that department with endless eight (but will ultimately make more money out of it). While I don't have a deep seated hatred for Endless Eight as a lot do, I do see how it would definitely push newcomers to Haruhi away and of course irritate enough fans to possibly push them away from the series as well.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 15:20
As for Geass I think it actually launches past Haruhi and into a category of it's own for popularity. Perhaps even the hit of the decade. I seem to recall thinking how it stole Haruhi's thunder towards the end of 2006 and then it just kept going and drawing all the attention everywhere it went.
And then everyone moved on because it was finished. :heh:
Geass had nowhere near the sheer staying power Haruhi still does, in part because Haruhi isn't 'over'.
Plus like the season gap problem there had already been so many moeblob anime between the first season of Haruhi and the second that I think a lot of what made Haruhi initially seem appealing and fresh now made it look tired and treaded
Haruhi is nowhere near a moeblob anime. In fact, it deliberately mocked moeblob anime from day one.
Why are people convinced it's a moeblob anime?
The fact of the matter is that Haruhi just doesn't have an opposing force over the competition like it did back in the day and unless this movie is some groundbreaking masterpiece I don't see Haruhi ever reclaiming that popularity it once had.
I'm just wondering, have you actually read Vol. 4? (This is a serious question.)
Money is to gain obviously, but Kadokawa doesn't seem to know how to market through the normal channels at all. Plus the hip thing to do now seems to be to run a season and then announce a movie sequel or some kind of OVA follow up at the end of it. Gundam 00 did it, Eden of the East did it, and countless other series have done the OVA thing. I'm pretty sure they are just following suit.
Mostly the case for original anime, where the 'writers' have absolutely no clue what they're doing other than making money.
Difference is, this is a film adaptation of what is easily the most well-written and awesome Haruhi novel.
I'm more certain that they wanted to give it the best treatment possible
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 15:26
I'm just wondering, have you actually read Vol. 4? (This is a serious question.)
Indeed I have.:D I guess I should rephrase; Some groundbreaking masterpiece in the eyes of those outside the current Haruhi audience.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 15:33
Indeed I have.:D I guess I should rephrase; Some groundbreaking masterpiece in the eyes of those outside the current Haruhi audience.
Heh.
Combine KyoAni-On-A-Movie-Budget with that plot... well, we'll just have to wait and see how it does, but I have high hopes for this project.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 15:35
Heh.
Combine KyoAni-On-A-Movie-Budget with that plot... well, we'll just have to wait and see how it does, but I have high hopes for this project.
While I don't doubt Kyoani's abilities I have always had my doubts before anime movie releases as I've been dissapointed far too many times.
I do, however, have a stronger belief that this movie will be good compared to feelings I've had with other movies before their release. Although I doubt this movie will be able to push Haruhi up the echelons of popularity to where it once was.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 15:52
And then everyone moved on because it was finished. :heh:
Geass had nowhere near the sheer staying power Haruhi still does, in part because Haruhi isn't 'over'.
And I can't help but wonder if historically people will say it knew when to call it a day.
Haruhi is nowhere near a moeblob anime. In fact, it deliberately mocked moeblob anime from day one.
Why are people convinced it's a moeblob anime?
It's not really a moeblob anime, but I can't help but feel that Mikuru was more celebrated for being a moeblob then poked fun at in the second season and that there was a lot more emphasis on the characters moe traits and quirks then on their development as well.
Difference is, this is a film adaptation of what is easily the most well-written and awesome Haruhi novel.
I wasn't aware that it was going to be a film retelling of the first novel. :p
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-10, 15:56
While I don't doubt Kyoani's abilities I have always had my doubts before anime movie releases as I've been dissapointed far too many times.
I do, however, have a stronger belief that this movie will be good compared to feelings I've had with other movies before their release. Although I doubt this movie will be able to push Haruhi up the echelons of popularity to where it once was.
I absolutely agree with this assessment. While I'm pretty optimistic about this movie being a success as far as its own quality is concerned, the best it could possibly achieve for the series is to possibly renew higher expectations or build up more hope for the future content, but it will not actually draw people flocking to the series afresh. I think anyone whose interest in the series is perked by the movie will most likely remain cautious and removed in wait for a third season.
KyoAni needs to, from here on out, drop the pretenses surrounding Melancholy and just do what they did with the 2006 episodes: make a damn good anime. They're fortunate, because Tanigawa's writing is consistently quite good and there are interesting stories that have yet to be touched, not to mention the novel reading crowd seems to be waiting on pins and needles for the anime to catch up to certain stories. So, actually, they have several advantages. They just need to strip back the gimmicks and approach it as if they're having to start all over again, because if they want Melancholy to reach the heights it reached before, that's their only option.
Triple_R
2009-11-10, 16:01
And then everyone moved on because it was finished. :heh:
Geass had nowhere near the sheer staying power Haruhi still does, in part because Haruhi isn't 'over'.
The 2nd half of Geass R2 was a complete disaster, imo... and it had been stretching credibility with its tendency for incredible cliffhanger/plot twist after incredible cliffhanger/plot twist even before then.
Code Geass Season 1 was very close to an anime masterpiece in my opinion, but Sunrise just tried too hard to make Geass R2 the equivalent of Death Note, NGE, Gurren Lagann, and Mobile Suit Gundam all rolled into one... and it just went too over-the-top into virtual self-parody mode. I appreciate their ambitious aims, but it's ultimately what hurt their anime a lot. It's what caused Geass R2's popularity to fade considerably, imo.
Edit: Think of it this way. Haruhi Suzumiya: Sunrise Director is a joke that makes a lot of sense to me. ;)
Haruhi is nowhere near a moeblob anime. In fact, it deliberately mocked moeblob anime from day one.
Agreed.
Why are people convinced it's a moeblob anime?
People don't differentiate between moe and moeblob. Haruhi, Mikuru, and even Yuki can all be very moe (i.e. cute)... but they still have very realistic body proportions and anatomy.
This is what distinguishes Haruhi 2006 from HarYui 2009. ;)
Mostly the case for original anime, where the 'writers' have absolutely no clue what they're doing other than making money.
Difference is, this is a film adaptation of what is easily the most well-written and awesome Haruhi novel.
It has the potential to be a groundbreaking anime masterpiece. I wouldn't bet on it, but I wouldn't be surprised by it either.
They just need to strip back the gimmicks and approach it as if they're having to start all over again, because if they want Melancholy to reach the heights it reached before, that's their only option.
Totally agree. Well said. :)
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-10, 16:17
People don't differentiate between moe and moeblob. Haruhi, Mikuru, and even Yuki can all be very moe (i.e. cute)... but they still have very realistic body proportions and anatomy.
This is what distinguishes Haruhi 2006 from HarYui 2009. ;)
Also a good point, and I think just as relevant as the gimmicks bit, part of what really set Haruhi 2006 apart--at least for my friends and I--from a lot of the other anime we were watching was the quality of the art. As a writer, it's very tempting to launch into some big diatribe about the primacy of story, but as an artist, let's be realistic here, if you just wanted story, you'd read a book. You watch anime because it incorporates story and (hopefully) great art and (hopefully) great acting and music into one piece. The quality of the animation put forth in 2006 was befitting the quality of the material Tanigawa produced on the pages. The quality of the animation in 2009 was more befitting the quality of the material I was writing when I was 13.
Triple_R
2009-11-10, 16:30
Also a good point, and I think just as relevant as the gimmicks bit, part of what really set Haruhi 2006 apart--at least for my friends and I--from a lot of the other anime we were watching was the quality of the art.
Agreed. Some of the very best art I've seen in any type of animation: east or west.
As a writer, it's very tempting to launch into some big diatribe about the primacy of story, but as an artist, let's be realistic here, if you just wanted story, you'd read a book. You watch anime because it incorporates story and (hopefully) great art and (hopefully) great acting and music into one piece. The quality of the animation put forth in 2006 was befitting the quality of the material Tanigawa produced on the pages. The quality of the animation in 2009 was more befitting the quality of the material I was writing when I was 13.
LOL! :heh: :D
Good points, and I completely agree.
All I'll say, though, in fairness, is that Sigh Parts III through V managed to get back to a good art style befitting of this novel/anime franchise. From what promotional art and trailers that we've seen so far, it looks like the Movie will give us more of the same, which is great news. :)
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 16:37
The quality of the animation in 2009 was more befitting the quality of the material I was writing when I was 13.
The animation quality seemed to be on par for a few episodes, but most of the time it felt like the style had changed. I was never a fan of K-on so it irked me to see the obvious art style similarities in some of the episodes (especially with Haruhi's character). The season 1 art style was seen sporadically in the new season, but it was rare.
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-10, 16:44
The animation quality seemed to be on par for a few episodes, but most of the time it felt like the style had changed. I was never a fan of K-on so it irked me to see the obvious art style similarities in some of the episodes (especially with Haruhi's character). The season 1 art style was seen sporadically in the new season, but it was rare.
Yeah. I certainly did appreciate where it did show up, but ugh. I was especially bothered by the way character features--proportion, detail, shape--completely dissolved at the slightest distance from the 'camera'. It reminded me a lot of the Digimon Adventure movie(s), which from a visual standpoint bugged the crap out of me. And yes, Haruhi did get some of the worst of it; as 3R pointed out and as someone's (can't remember whose) avatar lampoons, she got turned into Yui. Since I also didn't think much of K-ON...Headdesk! Apply directly to the forehead! *Wham*
What I've seen teased of the movie looks like they'll be working with the original art style, though with a couple extra degrees of polish. Which, really, is all it needs to be. At that level of quality, the tiniest improvements can make a stunning difference.
It's been a while since I watched the 2006 run, but I still remember being vaguely annoyed by the artstyle. But then, I have a personal preferenced for more ridiculously stylised stuff.
/EDIT Now that you point it out, I really liked the Digimon Adventures movie, Lucky Star and K-on (Artwise as well as otherwise), so it's probably some kind of superflat thing going.
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-10, 16:51
It's been a while since I watched the 2006 run, but I still remember being vaguely annoyed by the artstyle. But then, I have a personal preferenced for more ridiculously stylised stuff.
/EDIT Now that you point it out, I really liked the Digimon Adventures movie, Lucky Star and K-on (Artwise as well as otherwise), so it's probably some kind of superflat thing going.
To each his own. I personally felt like the art style of the 2006 run peeled back the veil of generic design that afflicts a lot of anime in a very helpful way. Of course, certain anime art conventions still thrive in the show, but the characters are much more unique looking, and in realistic ways. It's one of the animes that best passes the 'cover up' test--if you cover the character's hair and trademark outfit, do they still stand out?
It meshes, in my mind, well with the story itself: the world of Haruhi is a vibrant, lively one, but our heroes are struggling to keep it realistically grounded. In the case of the Disappearance movie, I see taking that and polishing it up some to be a similarly logical choice: one of the major points is that the world is supposed to be realistic and beautiful for our perspective character and, consequently, us. Under different circumstances, I can definitely enjoy more stylized animation, though generic formlessness will always be a big frustration to me.
Money is to gain obviously, but Kadokawa doesn't seem to know how to market through the normal channels at all. Plus the hip thing to do now seems to be to run a season and then announce a movie sequel or some kind of OVA follow up at the end of it. Gundam 00 did it, Eden of the East did it, and countless other series have done the OVA thing. I'm pretty sure they are just following suit.
Money yes, but taking more risk means you expect to be rewarded by more revenue. Kadokawa has been using all of Kyoani's production capacity for Haruhi since K-on! ended, this movie will probably cost more then both Haruhi seasons combined. Makes me wonder what kind of box office and DVD/Blueray sales they are expecting.
The movie is quite a chance to take if they had any concerns about the effects of S2. I also find it hard to believe that a major publisher and advertising agency would not be able to market a movie, especially since Kadokawa is also a major distributer. The media campaign has been extemely viral sofar but also seems very much controlled.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 17:03
The quality of the animation in 2009 was more befitting the quality of the material I was writing when I was 13.
Sorry, but, bullshit. :heh: People always miss this: The ART was worse. Not the ANIMATION. The ART.
The ANIMATION was, for the most part, still fantastic.
What I've seen teased of the movie looks like they'll be working with the original art style, though with a couple extra degrees of polish. Which, really, is all it needs to be. At that level of quality, the tiniest improvements can make a stunning difference.
Actually, they seem to be using the art style from the last two episodes of Sighs... which I personally found BETTER than the art style from the original series. More detail, etc.
Dr. Casey
2009-11-10, 17:05
Kyoani kind of shot themselves in the foot in that department with endless eight (but will ultimately make more money out of it). While I don't have a deep seated hatred for Endless Eight as a lot do, I do see how it would definitely push newcomers to Haruhi away and of course irritate enough fans to possibly push them away from the series as well.
Honestly, I don't see why Endless Eight would push anyone away from the series. Sure, Endless Eight might have sucked, but it's not the whole series. For people to discard the whole franchise because of one story arc that does nothing to affect the rest of the story... yeah, I just don't really get the rationale behind that. "Endless Eight's repetition was obnoxious, so I refuse to watch Sighs! Even though it's a completely different story and doesn't have that same single flaw!" What the hell. It makes even less sense for newcomers. Endless Eight has been over for three months, why should new viewers consider Endless Eight such a terrible thing? It's not like they had to survive through the Dark Ages.
Ricky Controversy
2009-11-10, 17:08
Sorry, but, bullshit. :heh: People always miss this: The ART was worse. Not the ANIMATION. The ART.
The ANIMATION was, for the most part, still fantastic.
Actually, I intended the statement as it is. The animation, in my opinion, inherently suffers by the art suffering. Unnatural art makes the animation equally agitating to me. If you can appreciate one without the other, that is your prerogative. I just can't do it: the art and the animation are inextricable to me.
I will, however, definitely go back and give the last two episodes of Sighs a look and see if I can spot the similarities.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 17:11
Honestly, I don't see why Endless Eight would push anyone away from the series. Sure, Endless Eight might have sucked, but it's not the whole series. For people to discard the whole franchise because of one story arc that does nothing to affect the rest of the story... yeah, I just don't really get the rationale behind that. "Endless Eight's repetition was obnoxious, so I refuse to watch Sighs! Even though it's a completely different story and doesn't have that same single flaw!" What the hell. It makes even less sense for newcomers. Endless Eight has been over for three months, why should new viewers consider Endless Eight such a terrible thing? It's not like they had to survive through the Dark Ages.
Because it's not JUST filler. It's Personal Insult to the Fans Filler. It's Troll Filler.
It's
Eight
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Exact
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A lot of people who were into Haruhi '09 gave up about halfway through when it showed no signs of stopping the damned loop, and new viewers might not think it's worth their time to sit through. I know a few people that would consider a show that does what I outlined above as terrible regardless of what happens before or after.
It doesn't make objective sense, but think about it from the perspective of rabid fans like me who had been waiting three years for this, and...
Actually, I intended the statement as it is. The animation, in my opinion, inherently suffers by the art suffering. Unnatural art makes the animation equally agitating to me. If you can appreciate one without the other, that is your prerogative. I just can't do it: the art and the animation are inextricable to me.
Huh? I don't get it... art and animation have little to do with each other other than being visual components of an anime... :heh:
Honestly, I don't see why Endless Eight would push anyone away from the series. Sure, Endless Eight might have sucked, but it's not the whole series. For people to discard the whole franchise because of one story arc that does nothing to affect the rest of the story... yeah, I just don't really get the rationale behind that. "Endless Eight's repetition was obnoxious, so I refuse to watch Sighs! Even though it's a completely different story and doesn't have that same single flaw!" What the hell. It makes even less sense for newcomers. Endless Eight has been over for three months, why should new viewers consider Endless Eight such a terrible thing? It's not like they had to survive through the Dark Ages.
They are caught up in the hype. It's now cool to bash Haruhi just as it was cool earlier to claim it was the best anime ever. Some already have made up their mind what this franchise is about before ever watching it.
I know quite a few serious anime fans who don't want to give Haruhi a chance because "Isn't that the overhyped moe blob series from a few years ago? Pass"
Sometimes the anime forums and boards are a curse:p
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 17:23
I know quite a few serious anime fans who don't want to give Haruhi a chance because "Isn't that the overhyped moe blob series from a few years ago? Pass".
I read the comments on Sankaku Complex's Haruhi posts, and that's what most people seem to think... Sad, really.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 18:09
The 2nd half of Geass R2 was a complete disaster, imo... and it had been stretching credibility with its tendency for incredible cliffhanger/plot twist after incredible cliffhanger/plot twist even before then.
Code Geass Season 1 was very close to an anime masterpiece in my opinion, but Sunrise just tried too hard to make Geass R2 the equivalent of Death Note, NGE, Gurren Lagann, and Mobile Suit Gundam all rolled into one... and it just went too over-the-top into virtual self-parody mode. I appreciate their ambitious aims, but it's ultimately what hurt their anime a lot. It's what caused Geass R2's popularity to fade considerably, imo.
Edit: Think of it this way. Haruhi Suzumiya: Sunrise Director is a joke that makes a lot of sense to me. ;)
Ugh....sounds like somebody has been reading too much Blogsuki. :heh: I'd get all of what you might have read there out of your head as fast as possible because it's largely a load of memetic BS. And by everything I mean everything regardless of the initial topic of discussion.
I still hold that the disaster that took place during the second half of Code Geass is just as much the fault of bloggers and the fact that it had become popular to bash the show as it was anything that had to do with the writers and producers of the show. It got so bad that people started missing obvious things that would help explain the things they claimed didn't make sense and when confronted with it they would just try to shift the blame back onto the writers until it became the accepted reality that everything was their fault and the "fans" were 100% in the right about everything.
Even worse it lead to the current age of unpleasable fanbases which I think would have nailed Haruhi 2009 if Endless Eight hadn't done it first. Plus we got the whole mythology as opposed to reality based reasoning surrounding the production side of anime trend out of Code Geass R2's reception. For example if a director said one thing and a loudmouth blogger said another, whereas logically one would be inclined to believe the director who is closest to the projects unfolding, now people would listen to the loudmouth blogger and accept their entirely conjured up and more bombastic explanation for why something happened in a show just because it sounded edgy and had memetic quotability. Bad stuff.....
People don't differentiate between moe and moeblob. Haruhi, Mikuru, and even Yuki can all be very moe (i.e. cute)... but they still have very realistic body proportions and anatomy.
This is what distinguishes Haruhi 2006 from HarYui 2009. ;)
I always interpreted moeblob to simply mean that the characters personality is indistinguishable from their dominant moe fetish appeal rather than the style in which they are animated. Although at times they tend to cross over like with HarYui.
It has the potential to be a groundbreaking anime masterpiece. I wouldn't bet on it, but I wouldn't be surprised by it either.
Totally agree. Well said. :)
Everything with a big budget kind of has the potential to be a groundbreaking anime masterpiece, but I'll say right now that only a select few adaptations have made it into my category of masterpiece and so far none of them have been light novels. To be judged as a good anime by me isn't terribly difficult, it just has to be fun. In that sense I would call the first Haruhi season a pretty good anime. However the next leap to masterpiece is pretty much a steeper climb then all the ones on the way from schlock to solid combined.
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 18:19
*snip*
No, Geass R2 really was that bad most of the time.
It was more a fault of the execs rather than the writers, but still, compared to the first season, it was bad.
Ending fucking rocked though.
I always interpreted moeblob to simply mean that the characters personality is indistinguishable from their dominant moe fetish appeal rather than the style in which they are animated.
Since when is anyone but Mikuru designed entirely to be Moe Fetish Appeal?
Furthermore, Haruhi does not qualify as a moeblob anime simply because most of the focus is actually directed to its male characters, especially in Sighs.
If an anime spends most of its time focusing on the (awesome) male lead rather than the cute girls who have a crush on him, I refuse to consider it a moeblob anime. But that's me.
*snip*
To me, adaptations are usually better than original anime, especially if the adaptation is a work that has already been completed.
Why?
Because original anime 'writers' never, ever, ever, ever have a clue how they want to end the story. And the ending is one of the most important parts, as it sticks the longest in the mind of the audience. It's a miracle if the eventual ending is ever any good.
In this sense, Geass is certainly miraculous... :heh:
To me, adaptations are usually better than original anime, especially if the adaptation is a work that has already been completed.
Well, that's if they decide to stick 100% with the source. Since...
Because original anime 'writers' never, ever, ever, ever have a clue how they want to end the story. And the ending is one of the most important parts, as it sticks the longest in the mind of the audience. It's a miracle if the eventual ending is ever any good.
...They seem to want to give a series their own spin on the ending, and wind up failing.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-10, 18:53
What does any of this have to do with this movie or Disappearance? Seriously, I understand that this is the only discussion thread that actually seems to be getting any attention in this particular forum, but there's gotta be a better place for this discussion. :heh:
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 18:54
Well, that's if they decide to stick 100% with the source. Since... they seem to want to give a series their own spin on the ending, and wind up failing.
Yup. Anime 'writers' are generally pompous gits who think they know better than REAL authors.
It's why the industry is uttering its death rattle artistically whereas light novels and manga are still going relatively strong.
That said, if KyoAni isn't too pretentious with this movie and merely accomplishes their usual epic artistic efforts, with an injection of sheer atmospheric beauty reminiscent of the Kara no Kyoukai movies, it ought to be the most badass thing ever, given the strength of the source material.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 18:55
What does any of this have to do with this movie or Disappearance? Seriously, I understand that this is the only discussion thread that actually seems to be getting any attention in this particular forum, but there's gotta be a better place for this discussion. :heh:
So disscussing how good of quality the movie will be and whether it will be faithful to the novel has nothing to do with the movie?
Yup. Anime 'writers' are generally pompous gits who think they know better than REAL authors.
It's why the industry is uttering its death rattle artistically whereas light novels and manga are still going relatively strong.
That same thing can be felt in western film as well. I don't know how many times I've been ticked at how an ending to a film based off a book I liked was because of poor choices in how to end it. I'm all for giving an original spin, but most of the time is just doesn't seem to work. Honestly, It seems as though endings in general seem to pull at the minds of writers and tell them, "here is your chance to make it your own, you can do better than the original ending".
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 19:03
Honestly, It seems as though endings in general seem to pull at the minds of writers and tell them, "here is your chance to make it your own, you can do better than the original ending".
This is why I like KyoAni: Because they generally don't do this, and when they do they're usually damned competent at it.
That said, I hope they don't change a damn thing about Disappearance's ending. It was perfect.
Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-11-10, 19:04
So disscussing how good of quality the movie will be and whether it will be faithful to the novel has nothing to do with the movie?
What does Code Geass R2 have to do with any of what you just said? :heh:
GuidoHunter_Toki
2009-11-10, 19:06
This is why I like KyoAni: Because they generally don't do this, and when they do they're usually damned competent at it.
That right there is a big reason why I'm more hopeful towards this movie than I usually am with most films. I can confidently assume that it will be a faithful adaptation.
Kaioshin Sama
2009-11-10, 19:16
No, Geass R2 really was that bad most of the time.
It was more a fault of the execs rather than the writers, but still, compared to the first season, it was bad.
Ending fucking rocked though.
Well I disgree, I think it was largely the way people chose to receive it, but I know the people that were deep into the trends that dominated it's reception at the time will always insist it was just the right way to react to and label the show.
Since when is anyone but Mikuru designed entirely to be Moe Fetish Appeal?
Furthermore, Haruhi does not qualify as a moeblob anime simply because most of the focus is actually directed to its male characters, especially in Sighs.
If an anime spends most of its time focusing on the (awesome) male lead rather than the cute girls who have a crush on him, I refuse to consider it a moeblob anime. But that's me.
I actually kind of agree, but I also think that Kyon is a stronger and more cleverly written character than all of the girls combined. I also think the series would be a lot more typical and nothing special without the Kyon character. I really have to appreciate the fact that he's there to add another side to what really would just be run of the mill antics (albeit it well animated antics) and to question the validity and sanity of a lot of what goes on.
To me, adaptations are usually better than original anime, especially if the adaptation is a work that has already been completed.
Why?
Because original anime 'writers' never, ever, ever, ever have a clue how they want to end the story. And the ending is one of the most important parts, as it sticks the longest in the mind of the audience. It's a miracle if the eventual ending is ever any good.
In this sense, Geass is certainly miraculous... :heh:
I think that the whole making things up as one goes pitfall applies to anything that lasts for an extended period of time and that it affects works that get adaptations just the same. Especially when the work being adapted isn't finished so you get those multi-season affairs in bursts of 12 episodes that have tacked on made for TV endings that then often have to get retconned at the start of the next season.........Shana.... :rolleyes:
In that sense who is to say that Tanigawa has any idea where he wants to go with Haruhi? In many ways the signs point to him not really having an idea of where he's going with this whole affair considering how the story just kind of seems to meander through short stories and longer wacky antic filled adventures after the first novel. Not to mention how he still hasn't put out that 10th volume to follow up on the 9th one where it finally felt that for first time since the first novel something was actually starting to happen that would move the franchise forward. Curious timing this hiatus.
Also in my eyes adaptations are typically just an easy way out of having to come up with fresh ideas and the increase in them in the later part of this decade has kind of lead to a stagnation in the anime market on both sides of the pacific. I also think the quality of an adaptation is largely dependent on the quality of the source and the degree to which the people doing the adaptation care about doing it justice.
Then again I say this in the fact that the vast majority of my favourite anime come from ideas that are conceived as anime in the first place. When you have a format in mind you tend to have the best chance at exploiting all the potentials of that format and perhaps even furthering it with some new ideas.
Part of the increase in adaptatons has to do with the economy and eventually something has got to give with the way anime is going, but I think somebody has already found the answer I am looking for and a way out. In chosing to forgoe a straight up adaptation of the original Mazinger story by Go Nagai and instead going with his own vision of what he felt it should be I think Yasuhiro Imagawa may have found the perfect bridge between adaptation and original series. This way you mix the power of a proven title that is sure to get executives to pay attention with the desire to have your own original ideas worked into a narrative. Now that's genius, but also another story since Haruhi's fanbase is the kind that I think would freak if Kyoani ever strayed from the source material (and in fact already did when it happened with Endless Eight) so the likelihood of it happening again in the movie seems slim to me.
I'll just end this post by saying I vastly prefer reimagining to adaptations and in a lot of cases even as much as "original" ideas.
relentlessflame
2009-11-10, 19:39
Please keep this thread on topic (no more generic Haruhi-is/is-not-a-moeblob-anime, Endless Eight, or all the usual crap that has been discussed a million times and isn't really relevant here) and DO NOT post any spoilers that hint at any movie content based on the content of the novels.
I actually kind of agree, but I also think that Kyon is a stronger and more cleverly written character than all of the girls combined. I also think the series would be a lot more typical and nothing special without the Kyon character. I really have to appreciate the fact that he's there to add another side to what really would just be run of the mill antics (albeit it well animated antics) and to question the validity and sanity of a lot of what goes on.
This
Relentlessflame, couldn't you just mod Kaisos's post adding spoilertags, or do you only have the power to DESTR- I mean, delete?
Kaisos Erranon
2009-11-10, 19:41
Whoa. :heh:
I was trying to be as vague as possible, but I would simply have added spoiler tags if needed. I apologize.
Anyway, as I've stated before, 150 minutes means this movie is going to be kickass, no question about it.
(Assuming KyoAni adheres to previously-known standards of quality)
And given that we have concluded largely that this is an all-or-nothing bet, well, you'd better believe they're bringing their A-game!
relentlessflame
2009-11-10, 19:51
Relentlessflame, couldn't you just mod Kaisos's post adding spoilertags, or do you only have the power to DESTR- I mean, delete?No. As I've explained before many times, future event spoilers are not allowed in this thread, even behind spoiler tags. You are not allowed to discuss anything that happens in the novels that will be covered in this movie in this thread. I know some people don't like this rule, but that is the spoiler policy at this time.
Plus, as someone who hasn't read the books, I don't appreciate having the movie spoiled for me.
Mecha_Trueno
2009-11-10, 20:03
Oh wow, afk for 2 days and suddenly I find confirmation on the release date:D AND that its gonna be 150min long... I was like "Wow, its only been 2 days, feels like I've missed a lot for some reason:heh:"
Dunno if this has already been mentioned, sorry if it has, but something just came to mind... I'm actually kind of worried about any blood censoring in 'that scene'... or is this a pointless concern, since its not being aired on TV?
Apart from this though, I can't think of anything else from this volume that would remotely require censoring.
EDIT: Not sure if this counts as spoiler, but added tags just in case. Yes, I'm aware of the "no future content, even behind spoiler tags" rule. Just not sure whether this one qualifies.
Will be interesting to see how good Kyoani's A-game is. It's major league time now;)
Wonder at what level of animation it will be.
Hopefully better then JC Staff's Shana. I'd be happy if it's near Bones' Eureka 7 movie or Madhouses Paprika. Production IG is going to be hard to match with GITS and PL, and I don't even dare to dream of Gainax' Honneamise.
The price of the tickets would probably be $8-15 or something... if it is released here and more money from the DVD/Blu-ray
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