The Movie of the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (News & Anticipation)

[Daniel Lind]

"Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu" was just revealed on Sun Television.
It's a movie, set for spring 2010 release.

Congratulations, everyone.
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upd: wowzies, my post got to be the first.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Well just got done watching the last episode of the 2009 airing, um, there was an ad with Yuki in it, at the end, couldn't read or understand it, but something in 2010

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[Joe4evr]

If it's a movie we won't be seeing it for another half a year.Bang on, Kaisos.

[haruhi.ism]

OMG
what does it say!
omg...i'm totally fangirling...i need to know!

[Vegard Aune]

If it's a movie we won't be seeing it for another half a year.
...And seeing how it won't come out before spring, this essentially means that we won't be seeing it for another year. Damn.

...Well, at least we know it's coming now...

[Heatth]

It will be more then just half year... How many month it take before the DVD release?

Anyway, great news.

[Nappy Hared Azn]

Anyway, great news.
How so? Instead of a full season, we get an hour and a half, and absolutely no idea when other new material will get animated.

[MarthX]

It's a movie.

It better be 2 hours long

Disappearance is a full novel. It needs 6 episodes like Melancholy.

20 x 6 = 120

[Daniel Lind]

How so? Instead of a full season, we get an hour and a half, and absolutely no idea when other new material will get animated.
Better with Disappearance than without.

[haruhi.ism]

i think there will definitely be a real second season after the movie, continuing in order of the light novels. it just has to happen. i love haruhi, so i'm gonna have faith til the end, lol.

[Ice Block]

Le Sigh...

Six months till premier, another six months for DVDs to come out. That's six fucking months of being teased by the fortunate ones who live in Japan or managed to take a trip there. Six fucking months of nothing but fugly camrips. Sigh... :(

Oh well, beggars cant be choosers -- though I do hope they make this one special and release the DVDs on the day/week/month of the premier (or do a worldwide premier wooo!).

[Mr. Turnabout]

Yes, I agree. It's good news! But, why in 2010? In the Spring too....
They've been trying so hard to keep things in a semi-chronological sense....
Maybe something else is in store?

[Heatth]

It's a movie.

It better be 2 hours long

Disappearance is a full novel. It needs 6 episodes like Melancholy.

20 x 6 = 120

Yeah, 2 hour long would be the best. However, remember Sighs only get 5 episodes, even being a full novel. And it was very good.

How so? Instead of a full season, we get an hour and a half, and absolutely no idea when other new material will get animated.

As sais, beter with it then without. We might (much) latter get a season for Intrigues. And a movie can have a better quality then a ordinary TV episode.

[Nappy Hared Azn]

Better with Disappearance than without.
With Haruhi being the cash cow that it is, we would have gotten Disappearance anyway. I don't know about you, but I'd rather wait longer and get a TV broadcast rather than a movie.

[Heminga13]

KYOANI!

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[Heatth]

With Haruhi being the cash cow that it is, we would have gotten Disappearance anyway. I don't know about you, but I'd rather wait longer and get a TV broadcast rather than a movie.

As you said, we will get everything eventually. So, what the problem with a movie? A movie can have a better quality then a ordinary episode. And Disappearance is not that long to not fit in it.

KYOANI!

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Lol. Sorry for that. :heh:

You get close, however, so, be proud.

[Stardust Romance]

Freakin' sweet.
The main key is waiting....which I don't mind ( meanwhile I'm waiting for the Eden movies as well )

Guess KyoAni is trying to redeem themselves? Or they planned this all along.
I just hope some people would stop b'AWWWing now :)

[freakonboard]

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[Heminga13]

Everything but the date. EVERYTHING BUT THE DATE. That's worse than being completely wrong.

[worldruined]

How quickly will I get drawn and quartered if I say, "thank God, we only have to endure Disppearance!Yuki ad bombardment for another six months"? :meh:

[spawnofthejudge]

How quickly will I get drawn and quartered if I say, "thank God, we only have to endure Disppearance!Yuki ad bombardment for another six months"? :meh:More than that; DVDs, remember? They aren't gonna stop milking until it stops working.

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When I saw that, I got chills. :D

I'll be just as happy with a movie.

[Ice Block]

So, what the problem with a movie?
Six-month delayed reaction/exposure of Western/non-Japanese fans caused by regional limiting of new content. Camrips will never do Disappearance justice.

You do realize how hard it is to avoid ANY reviews at all regarding the movie for six months? I'd take endless trolling over that any time -- at least those I can unsee. Purposely avoiding discussion due to the risk of getting spoiled experience-wise (plot-wise for some) is gonna be really hard. :(

[worldruined]

More than that; DVDs, remember? They aren't gonna stop milking until it stops working.
Noooo... :T_T:

[Heatth]

Six-month delayed reaction/exposure of Western/non-Japanese fans caused by regional limiting of new content. Camrips will never do Disappearance justice.

You do realize how hard it is to avoid ANY reviews at all regarding the movie for six months? I'd take endless trolling over that any time -- at least those I can unsee. Purposely avoiding discussion due to the risk of getting spoiled experience-wise (plot-wise for some) is gonna be really hard. :(

Oh, man, I am sorry. Yeah, you are right. It don't matter to me because I already know the story anyway. But, yeah, you are right.

It probably don't help, but I think the main twists of the story was already spoiled to the death in the internet, so you probably already know about them. You wouldn't even realize it was suppose to be a twist, probably.

[Ice Block]

It probably don't help, but I think the main twists of the story was already spoiled to the death in the internet, so you probably already know about them. You wouldn't even realize it was suppose to be a twist, probably.
I already read the novel way back when anyway, so plot doesn't really matter. It's the impressions like "Wooo definitely made up for 3 years of trolling and Endless Eight!" or "FAIL FAIL KyoAni, God is DEAD!" that give you certain expectations that are most damaging (they take away the fun part of watching Haruhi IMO, where you never know what to expect). :)

And for people like Akka who don't want to be spoiled, that's like a whole half year of avoiding half the Internet! :heh:

[freakonboard]

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[musume_no_hoshi]

Ah...as expected. A movie does make the most money, so I do understand why they decided to make a movie. If this is a proper movie, unlike Munto's copy and paste movie, I expect the animation to be unbelievably amazing.

I just hope the DVD would be release like 2-3 months after the movie premire, they do that sometimes with anime movies. Oh 2 hour movie please. Definately.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Just a point...

This is the first ever movie by Kyoto Animation, isn't it?

Now we see how they have nothing else planned for a while; this is new territory for them, they need to direct all their attention to this.

One way or another, this is a big move for KyoAni. Making a movie is many times more expensive than anything else they can do. I wish them luck.

[Ricky Controversy]

I'm going into this with truckloads of optimism, mainly because KyoAni, contrary to popular opinion, is an overall pretty savvy group. I think they realize that Disappearance is one of the sacred pillars of interest in the fan community, and I'm sure they're also aware that the author himself favors Yuki's character development. I trust that they will treat this movie to the same sort of precise, virtuoso rendering that the first season of the anime was treated to.

Furthermore...

Boy, I haven't fangirl-squealed anyone since the Aion pre-release date. Lend me your ears and prepare for a mind-obliterating fangirl squeal. [Reference is worth 10 points.]

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

On another note, if Disappearance was determined to be a movie long ago, it explains two things:
1. Why Haruhi was entirely reaired with extra episodes, in order to make sure as many people as possible know the Haruhi backstory before Disappearance starts. Hell, even Endless Eight offers some official explanation for the movie's plot.
2. Why Newtype claimed that Haruhi season 2 was rebooted/cancelled; it could have been true, if the decision to make a movie means things have to be shuffled around.

We can't know the facts unless they tell us, so this is just speculation.

Moe Yuki!

[bladeofdarkness]

one thing that makes me giddy about the prospect
Kyoani movie
given the high level of their normal shows
can you imagine what a movie might be like

i'm waiting eagerly

[mitsuganae]

Good news. Though I must admit I was expecting more otakugasmic/nerdgasmic responses.

How anticlimactic.

[relentlessflame]

On another note, if Disappearance was determined to be a movie long ago, it explains two things:
1. Why Haruhi was entirely reaired with extra episodes, in order to make sure as many people as possible know the Haruhi backstory before Disappearance starts. Hell, even Endless Eight offers some official explanation for the movie's plot.
2. Why Newtype claimed that Haruhi season 2 was rebooted/cancelled; it could have been true, if the decision to make a movie means things have to be shuffled around.

We can't know the facts unless they tell us, so this is just speculation. You're right that we can't know, but this fits all the evidence. It may very well have been that they were planning on doing a second season in the style of the first, with Disappearance as the centerpiece. But then, a decision was made to make Disappearance into a movie. In order to set the stage for the movie, and to keep the story fresh in people's minds, they came up with the idea of the re-airing. Note that, at the same time, they announced a staffing change. It may very well be (we'll see), that the director of the first season was assigned to work on the movie, while they appointed a new director to work on the TV series that would accompany the re-launch. Also of note, possibly, is the way that they cut the 5-episode closing arc of the re-airing as if it were just one giant movie split into arbitrary episodes. Perhaps, from a production perspective, they worked on it in a similar way as a sort of experiment/training ground -- who knows...

Anyway, it's fun to speculate, but I think we can probably agree that this announcement helps bring some sense and logic to the re-airing on a whole (specific details about how they did it aside).

Edit: You know, now that I think about it, let's say they had already planned/booked for a new 14 episode season under the premise that Disappearance would be included as a 6-episode arc. And then someone from on high said "you know what, we're going to make Disappearance a movie instead". Now all of a sudden they have 6 episode slots to fill that have to be chronologically prior to the movie (which is going to be the "big reveal" at the end of the re-broadcast). What to do to fill the time? Hence... Of course there are some obvious problems with that theory (like, they could probably have just shortened the broadcast run, unless it was already set in stone I guess...) but as I said, it's fun to speculate. :p

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

The puzzling recent Newtype article on Haruhi makes sense in retrospect. It was the one with both normal and alternate Yuki in the graphics. At first it looked like an announcement for Disappearance, but instead it was reiterating the existence of the novel version of Disappearance... The novel that has been available for years, and as such did not warrant advertising space.

Now we know, the article was indirectly promoting the movie, except the NT magazine wasn't allowed to talk about it until AFTER the last episode of the re-run finishes.:heh:

[relentlessflame]

Now we know, the article was indirectly promoting the movie, except the NT magazine wasn't allowed to talk about it until AFTER the last episode of the re-run finishes.:heh:Right -- this explains a lot of the Disappearance-related advertising they've been doing for a while now, because they of course have known (probably since the moment of that "cancellation") that they were going to do this. It's sort of impressive in a way that they were able to keep as much as under-wraps as they did, all things considered. I remember people not too long ago complaining that they felt they were being lied to in terms of what would be included in the re-broadcast, but they had their "reasons" for hinting the way they did -- they were trying to say "it's coming" despite being under embargo. Ah, marketing... :heh:

[Ricky Controversy]

Well, it was either that, or a viral campaign with pictures of Yuki obscured behind a window as she draws a smiley face in the frost on some glass, accompanied by the words "WHY SO MOE?"

[FlashFumo]

I'm seeing more cons then pros. A single movie means that there's less time to adapt the story. And waiting for a rip that's worth a damn will not be very fun.

[orangejuicetang]

I'm rather excited for his movie. It seems promising.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I'm seeing more cons then pros. A single movie means that there's less time to adapt the story. And waiting for a rip that's worth a damn will not be very fun.

Well, it really depends on the length. I know many anime movies are only one and a half hours long, but there is no rule saying it has to be the case. I do believe there shouldn't be a problem fitting Disappearance into a movie, they just had to make use of the end credits by using it for the epilogue.

[Ricky Controversy]

I'm seeing more cons then pros. A single movie means that there's less time to adapt the story. And waiting for a rip that's worth a damn will not be very fun.

I think the hope is predominantly that because it is a movie, it will be rendered to a higher standard of quality, exceeding even the standards of the 2006 season. In a holistically satisfying series like Haruhi Suzumiya, the benefits of the studio really perfecting the visuals and music shouldn't be underestimated. Perhaps the story will be condensed, but the core will undoubtedly be presented, and presented very lovingly.

[FlashFumo]

Well, it really depends on the length. I know many anime movies are only one and a half hours long, but there is no rule saying it has to be the case. I do believe there shouldn't be a problem fitting Disappearance into a movie, they just had to make use of the end credits by using it for the epilogue.

I think the hope is predominantly that because it is a movie, it will be rendered to a higher standard of quality, exceeding even the standards of the 2006 season. In a holistically satisfying series like Haruhi Suzumiya, the benefits of the studio really perfecting the visuals and music shouldn't be underestimated. Perhaps the story will be condensed, but the core will undoubtedly be presented, and presented very lovingly.

Alright, so my previous statement could go either way, but it still doesn't change the fact that the wait will be agonizing.

[Heminga13]

Yeah, I doubt they'll cut out material to meet a certain time mark. They'll make it as long as necessary (without going overboard, of course). I imagine something closer to a 2 hour mark.

[Ricky Controversy]

Alright, so my previous statement could go either way, but it still doesn't change the fact that the wait will be agonizing.

The internet is here to comfort you. But in all truth I might just dig into my emergency funds to swing over there and catch a showing when the time comes. We should actually consider perhaps assembling a group to do this, if there are enough people interested and able to make it.

@Heminga: I'm inclined to agree. This is KyoAni's first movie, to my knowledge, and they'll undoubtedly want to make it a masterpiece, on top of the strong awareness they undoubtedly have of how highly regarded Disappearance is as a storyline. The perfection of the piece will come before any other concerns. I believe that.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Alright, so my previous statement could go either way, but it still doesn't change the fact that the wait will be agonizing.

We already waited 3 years, what's another 6 months?:D
(I estimate 6 months because of the Japanese Spring release. The actual time left till release is still unknown.)

[typhonsentra]

Kyoani redeemed? I'm glad they don't plan to half-ass this one. By the way, we'll be waiting longer than 6 months assuming this is a theatrical release guys.....

Remember how long it took to get the Eureka movie and Gurren Laggen?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Kyoani redeemed? I'm glad they don't plan to half-ass this one. By the way, we'll be waiting longer than 6 months assuming this is a theatrical release guys.....

Remember how long it took to get the Eureka movie and Gurren Laggen?

Unlike you examples, which are both remakes of TV series, the Disappearance plot is already established. Especially with the author on-hand.

It really depends on how long they have been working on this film. I suspect it was right after NewType claimed Haruhi season 2 was canceled. (Which would be the middle of last year.)

[Daniel Lind]

A single movie means that there's less time to adapt the story.
100 minutes is 5 episodes without OPs and EDs.
That should really be enough.

And "movie" will almost inevitably mean "Blu-ray". That's a huge pro for me.

[Heminga13]

It was the Haruhi website that announced the second season was canceled and a new project was started, but yeah. I'm still pretty sure this was in planning since then.

[typhonsentra]

Unlike you examples, which are both remakes of TV series, the Disappearance plot is already established. Especially with the author on-hand.

It really depends on how long they have been working on this film. I suspect it was right after NewType claimed Haruhi season 2 was canceled. (Which would be the middle of last year.)

You misunderstand what I'm saying, I'm not talking about delays in release I'm talking about having to wait until the DVD release before we in the west will get fansubs.

[DJ Trouble]

Hmm, I would think a lot of people would start trying to learn Japanese just so they don't have to wait as long. Though I guess six months isn't enough to cut it for most people, this movie seems like as good a reason as any to start.

The wait isn't going to bother me. Knowing that it is coming is reassuring. I'm not going to spoil that mood by thinking about how long the wait may or may not be.

[wittyusername]

I'm probably going to realize all the downsides and negative stuff about a Disappearance movie being made, but you know what? My copy of Sigh just showed up at my house, and that combined with hearing about this...

SHITYESSHITYESSHITYES

Excuse me. I've got to go learn to do a cartwheel or a backflip or something. It's the only way to fully express my nerdjoy without so many loud, fangirly noises.

[Heminga13]

Assuming a new season is made following the movie, how many series have had movies that take place in between seasons? And I mean movies that you have to watch before watching the following season(s).

[Team Rocket Elite]

Unless you live in/plan to go to Japan, you'll still have to wait for the DVD even if you know Japanese. I suppose camrips might appear.

[FlashFumo]

Unless you live in/plan to go to Japan, you'll still have to wait for the DVD even if you know Japanese. I suppose camrips might appear.

Said camrips are a desperate last resort. A last resort I will probably end up resorting to, as I am desperate.

[Ithekro]

Technically this is KyoAni's second movie (Munto 2009 being the first). However they've been known to give movie quality to their TV animations in the past (Haruhi and Kanon). One wonders just what they can do, now, with a movie budget, a good story, and popular as hell characters?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Is it just me or was that just about the blandest lamest trailer humanly possible? I mean we're talking sub-eroge level here as far as actual movement goes.

Well I've been wondering what those jokers at Kyoani have been up to the past month or so and now I have my answer. Kyoani movie eh....cause the last one of those was so good. :( Forgive me if I fail to summon any more enthusiasm for this franchise at the moment since the trailer does nothing to arouse any sort of anticipation either. It's just a zoom in of a still image with a random midi playing in the background. Sadly that's about the effort I've come to expect out of this franchise now though. They really should have waited about a year before announcing this......

[Takamura Mamoru]

They certainly should have enough money to give Disappearance a good budget, considering the success of K-On.

Funny thing is, the idea of a Disappearance movie popped up in my head long ago already. I think a move is quite a nice choice for the best arc. Maybe it'll leave a deeper impression on the audience.

[Daniel Lind]

Is it just me or was that just about the blandest lamest trailer humanly possible? I mean we're talking sub-eroge level here as far as actual movement goes.
It's just a quick teaser.

[Team Rocket Elite]

Said camrips are a desperate last resort. A last resort I will probably end up resorting to, as I am desperate.

I just realized that if you're dedicated enough to learn Japanese in 6 months just for this movie, being desperate enough to watch a camrip is a given. <_<

[Reckoner]

Oh movie... Wat's up?..

If KyoAni screws this movie up, there will be hell to pay for how long we been waiting for Disappearance.

Here's a question for all of you....

What comes first? The Haruhi movie DVD, or novel 10? Since both seem to be in the works without any listed dates....

[Heminga13]

I like the question 'Which comes first: subs for the movie or the official English release of novel 4?' myself. lol

[Ithekro]

Will this lead to their being forgiven? Maybe. Depends on how good it is.

It will sell out. Even with the suspected DVD sales of the current series being depressed, this movie will sell out. Specifically because this is what the fanbase has been waiting for the last three years...and by then it will be almost four years, depending on the actual release date.

[W-General]

Next year = craploads of anime movies:

Fate UBW
Nanoha
Gundam 00
Haruhi Disappearance
Macross Frontier Movie 2
Eden of East
Bungaku Shoujo
Broken Blade
Hetalia
The Space Show

*shudder*

And I thought there's a lot this year already (Eureka, Eva #2, Summer Wars, Gurren Lagann, Kara no Kyoukai series, Macross F movie one coming in November)


Are anime movies the new trend of the industry (/me throws a look at the sorry state that is Fall & Winter 2009 season)

[bayoab]

Now we know, the article was indirectly promoting the movie, except the NT magazine wasn't allowed to talk about it until AFTER the last episode of the re-run finishes.:heh:
Actually, Newtype comes out on Saturday so there might be an article about it in there. The amount of planning that has happened with Newtype and Haruhi is actually kinda absurd. E8 ended just the day as NT came out with an E8 article, ditto for Sighs, ditto for the show. And this is a monthly magazine so the time is pure luck.
Is it just me or was that just about the blandest lamest trailer humanly possible? I mean we're talking sub-eroge level here as far as actual movement goes.
There is no movement. It's a multi-directional pan over a still frame.

I like the question 'Which comes first: subs for the movie or the official English release of novel 4?' myself. lol
The novel will be out in 1 year. That we already know.

[Ricky Controversy]

Well, this raises an interesting question: once they've animated the most anticipated arc from the novels so far, what comes next? If we pull a Taniguchi and say "Disappearance" is an AA+ arc, then what constitutes the A+ level beneath that as far as interest across the general fanbase goes?

[Heminga13]

The novel will be out in 1 year. That we already know.

Yeah, I'm just guessing that there's a possibility that the two will be out at around the same time. It would certainly make for an interesting situation. It is possible that only I see it that way, though. lol

[Dr. Casey]

What comes first? The Haruhi movie DVD, or novel 10? Since both seem to be in the works without any listed dates....

The novel, of course. Taniguchi's been given a long break to refresh himself, so I bet that he's going to go extra fast and the next few volumes will be pumped out at the same rate as the first three (Once per three months or so).

EDIT: Tanigawa, even.

Well, this raises an interesting question: once they've animated the most anticipated arc from the novels so far, what comes next? If we pull a Taniguchi and say "Disappearance" is an AA+ arc, then what constitutes the A+ level beneath that as far as interest across the general fanbase goes?

Good question. Disappearance is far and away the most anticipated arc, but I think Dissociation looks like a better story, honestly.

[sarahwest]

Everything but the date. EVERYTHING BUT THE DATE. That's worse than being completely wrong.
Well, there is always still the small chance that this trailer is a troll and the actual movie will be released in December this year. ;)

[Ithekro]

Why would they have a troll in a teaser that aired right after there own show?

[Daniel Lind]

Judging from the date of release for Gurren Lagann Movie 2 DVD (Spring in theatres, December on DVD) it would be a fair guess that Disappearance DVDs will be out December 18, 2010.

[chikorita157]

This announcement you can take it that it's surprising or "are you for real"? I won't believe anything from Kadokawa after the numerous times they trolled the fanbase until the movie actually materialize and start screening in theaters.

I would rather prefer 5-6 episodes to cover Disappearence, but whatever... The movie can do the same since it would be the same length as a movies anyways, but it will take awhile until the DVD comes out so everyone can watch it.

[Ricky Controversy]

Really, the only differences between six episodes and a two hour movie are the fact that the movie would have a higher budget and would be more tightly tuned to keep the story flowing cohesively, rather than cutting things up into distinct segments.

[bhl88]

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I hope they put other new episodes first XD (or they'll put something Haruhi to buy some time for the disappearance Ex: Suzumiya Haruhi-chan)

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[Ricky Controversy]

I could see KyoAni picking up the gender-bender ball and running with it for a second generation of filler.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Will this lead to their being forgiven? Maybe. Depends on how good it is.


It really does more than you can possibly imagine...at least for me. I'm looking for honest to god effort at making something interesting to watch and hear instead of just more pandering to the core moe otaku fanbase in Japan and a reliance on viral marketing and hype as usual. If this movie has some actual effort outside of the occasional glamour shot then I'll be willing to go back to the status quo and actually have expectations for works coming out of Kyoani.

If they can't do something as simple as that then........well..........

Anyway to be a little more positive I guess I can say that as bland as the teaser trailer is it's decidely non-bullshit advertising so that's already a start in the right direction.....I guess. It doesn't get me excited, but it doesn't put me off immediately either and actually has me awaiting another trailer to see what the deal is. How almost normal of them......

I could see KyoAni picking up the gender-bender ball and running with it for a second generation of filler.

Absolutely not please. Like I said and I believe Triple_R agreed with me, enough with the gimmicks, let's just do proper quality adaptations of the core source material like the company is supposedly known for being the king of. A back to the basics approach that made the franchise successful in the first place would mean no mining the doujin market and selling it back to fans, which basically also means no more Haruhi-Chan, Churuya-Chan or any Kyonko like ideas for the time being. I know they said they think that Haruhi can be a meta-franchise like Gundam and transcend the otaku subculture, but they can't rush something like that like they've been trying to do. If they want another shot at the mainstream then they ought to reestablish the base of the core franchise before they expand, otherwise it will all collapse on them very rapidly again for all but the die hard core fanbase.....viral marketing and gimmickery or not.

[Ricky Controversy]

It really does more than you can possibly imagine...at least for me. I'm looking for honest to god effort at making something interesting to watch and hear instead of just more pandering to the core moe otaku fanbase in Japan and a reliance on viral marketing and hype as usual. If this movie has some actual effort outside of the occasional glamour shot then I'll be willing to go back to the status quo and actually have expectations for works coming out of Kyoani.

If they can't do something as simple as that then........well..........

Anyway to be a little more positive I guess I can say that as bland as the teaser trailer is it's decidely non-bullshit advertising so that's already a start in the right direction.....I guess. It doesn't get me excited, but it doesn't put me off immediately either and actually has me awaiting another trailer to see what the deal is. How almost normal of them......
I think your concerns should be laid to rest by this reveal. After all, if your frustration is at the recent output of KyoAni, it doesn't hurt to note that now we know that their real focus has been this project. Now yes, it says something about them overall that they'd half-produce things to fill in the gaps, but at the same time, they're also more likely to give this some serious blood, sweat and tears.

This is going to be a learning experience for the studio, and I think going forward they're more likely to move with even greater effort than was placed into Suzumiya 2006 because of what has happened when they've failed to break their backs for a piece.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Ah, now I'm happy :)
Even if it is going to be fail (or not.) I will still enjoy it.
Be happy for what you get.

[TakariCritic]

I... I thought to myself today "Hey, I haven't checked on Haruhi since Sighs ended, might as well check in to see what's happening" And I find this.


MOTHER F***KER!

[Kaioshin Sama]

I think your concerns should be laid to rest by this reveal. After all, if your frustration is at the recent output of KyoAni, it doesn't hurt to note that now we know that their real focus has been this project. Now yes, it says something about them overall that they'd half-produce things to fill in the gaps, but at the same time, they're also more likely to give this some serious blood, sweat and tears.

There's absolutely nothing that guarantees any of that, that's the problem.

[bhl88]

They'll probably use Orchestrated Hare Hare Yukai (See Suzumiya Haruhi no Gensou) XD

[Kaisos Erranon]

This is the worst Haruhi news I've heard all year.

We're going to be waiting another entire goddamn year for this stupid thing so we can get some fucking subs. Great, just great.

I mean, sure, it's great and all that we're getting it, but I would have much preferred a, you know, TV SHOW.

...I can totally see them airing another season in Fall '09 and us actually seeing it BEFORE the goddamn DVD comes out. (At least it's not an OVA...)

...At least I have no doubt this'll be 100 minutes long or so, given KyoAni and source material. ufotable's Kara no Kyoukai V was about that long, right?

Sigh... well, at least we're getting it... that's all I gotta keep saying... at least we're getting it...

[Ithekro]

Gives you about a year to catch up with Kyonko....:D

[AmyElizzabeth]

Yeah, just be happy we're getting something, It was a nit difficult for me to understand alot of it, anyway.
Plus, Amy wants to see some alternate Haruhi :D

[Ithekro]

Don't mind him..he's got a love/hate bipolar thing going on with KyoAni now.

[Kaisos Erranon]

*snip*

Hey, I don't like waiting for something I could have had... oh... a few months ago?

I mean, it's great that we're getting it and all, but I just...

It's not really a big deal. I'm just reeeeallllyyyy disappointed that I have to wait for the DVD release like this. It's plain that not many other people seem to think this, so I'll shut up now.

Don't mind him..he's got a love/hate bipolar thing going on with KyoAni now.

I love most of their shows but damn do I hate Kadokawa. Not KyoAni. :p

If only there were other people (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=6913) good at the same kind of show... >_>

Now... where, exactly, is my Little Busters? Disappearance can't be the only thing they're working on...

[AmyElizzabeth]

I think so too, once It airs and gets...wherever It's going to be...
then we'll have to wait awhile for DVDs, then we'll wait even longer for subs.
It's times like this I hate not speaking Japanese

[Ricky Controversy]

I'd like to clarify that while I am not categorically against further filler, I'm not suggesting they throw it out either. My sincere hope going forward is that they focus on Haruhi Suzumiya, really trying to give the franchise its full due and add something unique to what the novels have already set out. If they focus on it, KyoAni can catch up with the novels and then they can go on and focus on alternative projects until a new backlog of material builds up. I am skeptical as to whether or not they will do this in the long run, but at the very least, going the ultra-dedicated route of making Disappearance a movie is a good sign.

[Kaioshin Sama]

This is the worst Haruhi news I've heard all year.

We're going to be waiting another entire goddamn year for this stupid thing so we can get some fucking subs. Great, just great.

I mean, sure, it's great and all that we're getting it, but I would have much preferred a, you know, TV SHOW.

...I can totally see them airing another season in Fall '09 and us actually seeing it BEFORE the goddamn DVD comes out. (At least it's not an OVA...)

...At least I have no doubt this'll be 100 minutes long or so, given KyoAni and source material. ufotable's Kara no Kyoukai V was about that long, right?

Sigh... well, at least we're getting it... that's all I gotta keep saying... at least we're getting it...

Now you know how I feel waiting for Gundam Unicorn and 00 the movie. I mean odds are it'll be tough even finding people to sub works this long let alone to find quality raws. Granted we have no idea how long the Haruhi movie is going to be. Personally I'm picturing something in the 90-120 minute range myself. Anime movies don't usually get much longer than that, Char's Counterattack being more an exception than a rule with it's crazy 124 minute length.

Hmmm...now that I think of it Haruhi will probably have no trouble finding willing subbers if not multiple options. Haruhi fans should consider themselves lucky in that regard.

[Heatth]

I already read the novel way back when anyway, so plot doesn't really matter. It's the impressions like "Wooo definitely made up for 3 years of trolling and Endless Eight!" or "FAIL FAIL KyoAni, God is DEAD!" that give you certain expectations that are most damaging (they take away the fun part of watching Haruhi IMO, where you never know what to expect). :)

And for people like Akka who don't want to be spoiled, that's like a whole half year of avoiding half the Internet! :heh:

Yeah, poor Akka. :p

You say the truth, but I totally give up don't be 'spoiled' (I am including the quality of the episode/movie here) with anything related to Haruhi. This really don't bother me. I will just avoid screenshots (to not torture myself) and related discussions.

This is the worst Haruhi news I've heard all year.

The fact it is a real news is enough to worth it to me. I mean, better knowing then stay in the dark until come out right?

...I can totally see them airing another season in Fall '09 and us actually seeing it BEFORE the goddamn DVD comes out. (At least it's not an OVA...)

You probably mean Fall '10. But, yeah. However, this would actually be a very positive thinking about the next season. :p I am not waiting nothing until 2011.

...At least I have no doubt this'll be 100 minutes long or so, given KyoAni and source material. ufotable's Kara no Kyoukai V was about that long, right?

Well, that wouldn't be enough to Disappearance? this is more or less 5 episodes right? Excluding OP and ED.

PP:
Personally I'm picturing something in the 90-120 minute range myself. Anime movies don't usually get much longer than that, Char's Counterattack being more an exception than a rule with it's crazy 124 minute length.

It don't need much more then it, really. 120 mins is about 6 episodes.

[AmyElizzabeth]

So, if It is 120 minites, It'll be about as long as the Melancholy Arc if you watched it back to back and no theme songs?

[Ithekro]

About the only anime movie series that i know of that was almost always over 120 minutes were the Space Battleship Yamato movies with the majority of them being around 150 minutes long. (and Final Yamato being 163 minutes long).

I doubt the Haruhi movie could be that long. 120 minutes would be fine.

[wittyusername]

I'm not really worrying about the length of the movie. KyoAni is usually pretty good with cramming lots of story into a short period of time, and somehow managing to avoid making it crappy. It worked in 2006, at least.

...this is ignoring Endless Eight, of course.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I'm not really worrying about the length of the movie. KyoAni is usually pretty good with cramming lots of story into a short period of time, and somehow managing to avoid making it crappy. It worked in 2006, at least.

Which is why we don't need to worry about compression. Disappearance is the shortest book anyway.

The only thing we need to worry about is them cutting Kyon's monologues short... the one in the middle of the book and the very last one are probably the most important parts of his development in the entire series.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Disappearance in general was (in my opinion) was his big character development.

[Tokkan]

Is it just me or was that just about the blandest lamest trailer humanly possible?

Probably because it isn't a trailer, it's a teaser. And like all teasers it's underwhelming and short.

Or haven't you seen any movie teasers before?

[relentlessflame]

...I can totally see them airing another season in Fall '09 and us actually seeing it BEFORE the goddamn DVD comes out. (At least it's not an OVA...)For what it's worth, I think this in particular is pretty unlikely. Japanese anime publishers are actually rather conscientious about timing. For example, the reason for a Spring 2010 release is because the last of the new Haruhi DVDs is released in end-March 2010. So, the movie keeps the momentum going on the Haruhi merchandise train. If they announced a subsequent season to come shortly after the movie, odds are rather high that they would time the DVD to release the month before the show starts airing, to serve as a sort of Prelude to the show.

That being said, I suspect this is a bit of a moot point, as I think it more probable that they will do some work for Pony Canyon after the Haruhi movie, so another TV series in Fall 2010 is probably a bit too soon, IMO. We'll see.

[Daniel E.]

We already waited 3 years, what's another 6 months?:D

Yeah, it should be natural for anime fans having to wait several months for something they like.

In my case (and just to name a few)....

Wait months between every Eve no Jikan episode, between the releases of Tsubasa Cat and now this. :p

[Roger Rambo]

So does this explain some of the quality moments in Endless 8? They were working on this movie?

[relentlessflame]

Probably because it isn't a trailer, it's a teaser. And like all teasers it's underwhelming and short. If anything it was oddly almost too long for a teaser. It should have just been "Announcement", slow fade to a picture, "Logo/Date". What I suspect they'll do is release promo information for the movie in the upcoming Haruhi DVD releases and in their various magazines. They're in a business to make money, after all.

[FlashFumo]

Yeah, it should be natural for anime fans having to wait several months for something they like.

In my case (and just to name a few)....

Wait months between every Eve no Jikan episode, between the releases of Tsubasa Cat and now this. :p

Which reminds me of Full Metal Panic. What's it been, 4 years since the last series?

[Archon_Wing]

Will this lead to their being forgiven? Maybe. Depends on how good it is.

It will sell out. Even with the suspected DVD sales of the current series being depressed, this movie will sell out. Specifically because this is what the fanbase has been waiting for the last three years...and by then it will be almost four years, depending on the actual release date.

You are assuming they need to be forgiven. :) It's gonna sell out no matter what.

But I am speaking as someone who casually watches the show and didn't have expectations or hype for this much hyped legendary Haruhi chapter. I am glad there is a movie, though.

[Peanutbutter003]

A movie?

Can anyone explain to me why a movie? And how is it gonna be broadcast? Cinemas? :confused:

[Heatth]

Can anyone explain to me why a movie? And how is it gonna be broadcast? Cinemas? :confused:

It is a movie because the story is good enough to worth it. And, yes, it is going to broadcast on japanese cinemas.

[FlashFumo]

A movie?

Can anyone explain to me why a movie? And how is it gonna be broadcast? Cinemas? :confused:

Yep. It'll be one of those cinematic movies. I hear those are getting rare...

[AmyElizzabeth]

What?
Cinematic movies?
Or animes in Cinematic movie theatres?

[Joe4evr]

What?
Cinematic movies?
Or animes in Cinematic movie theaters?Last one, like the Evangelion remakes, if I presume correctly.

[StarRodMan]

Ha, well even if the wait is long, any sort of confirmation is good news to me.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Agreed.
Well, anything even remotely related to Haruhi is good enough for me

[Animexcel]

Last one, like the Evangelion remakes, if I presume correctly.

Pokemon is still showing a theatrical movie every summer. :P

[Phocus]

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie theaters sold out really quickly.

I mean, remember when people rented out hotels to use their channel service, just to watch the 2nd season?

Imagine what they would do to get the chance to watch this movie. Then again, Endless Eight killed off quite a few fans, so I guess that helped even things out.




I wonder if I have enough money for a round trip to Japan next spring... >_<;

[Ithekro]

One now wonders if the theory about Endless Eight rotating animation/art teams/directors was because they wanted to see who was best suited to handle a movie is true?

[Heatth]

One now wonders if the theory about Endless Eight rotating animation/art teams/directors was because they wanted to see who was best suited to handle a movie is true?

I don't think so. How much time it is needed to make a movie? It is more then a year right? They must be working on it for a while.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Pokemon is still showing a theatrical movie every summer. :P

That's because Pokemon is popular and mainstream enough to warrant it.

[aulzon]

This is really awesome news. Disappearance is my favourite Haruhi novel so I'm really looking forward to this. However it's probably going to be a while until I get to watch it.

[Animexcel]

Does this mean Haruhi will be staying in the current section for a while? xD

[AmyElizzabeth]

I hope so.
It makes me feel fuzzy that I'm actually watching an anime THAT IS CURRENTLY AIRING. but It hasn't for like, what, a month now?
Soo excited for the new movie.
I wanna see summa dis:
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z219/AmyElizzabeth/Haruhi%20Suzumiya/10530_1237045649146_1319384152_3069.jpg

[Nappy Hared Azn]

We're going to be waiting another entire goddamn year for this stupid thing so we can get some fucking subs. Great, just great.

I mean, sure, it's great and all that we're getting it, but I would have much preferred a, you know, TV SHOW.
This.

I'm not too broken up over the wait, since school and other "life projects" will keep my too busy to give a shit about a movie being released in another country, but I agree that a TV show would be better, simply because I'm a purist when it comes to cinema, and I don't believe that Haruhi is "serious business" enough to be a good movie; it'll just be another mediocre piece of shit plaguing theaters. I believe that the only movies worth two shakes of piss are good movies, and I just don't see Haruhi winning an Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film. As a TV show, I probably would have enjoyed it. As a movie, I'm afraid that it won't live up to my expectations. Doesn't mean other people can't enjoy... it just means that I probably won't, so you'll have to excuse my pessimism.

[baltakatei]

Well, this is going to make life dificult for any folks who'd attempt to fansub this new content. How are anime movies treated by the fansub community? It's not like you can tune into some TV station and record what airs.

[Tensei]

........Damn, this kills my wishes of getting to see Disappearance when it comes out....now i gotta wait for another goddamn year before any fansubs come out? which just so happens to be the time during which i'll be breaking my brain in an university while being very isolated from anime and manga? oh well, better than nothing, i'll just have to order it when the DVD is released i guess, better to know it'll come out within a given time than not know when it comes out......better to know, yeah i'll just start thinking that way now

what i reeeeeeeally wanna see right now though is the goddamn 10th volume....damn, i need to know!!!!!

[Suika-Esper]

I'm just happy they're doing it and that this time they just came right out and said it. Remember back when the second season wasn't confirmed and we were all going nuts trying to figure out all the clues and find out whether they would go through with it or not or if they were just yanking our chain?

[Tensei]

unlike most of you though, i've only been waiting for 2 years....i was already in the middle of the 9th volume when i finally started watching the anime.....it was some time later that i found out they canceled though

in that sense, i've been lucky compared to the rest of ya

[Mecha_Trueno]

How so? Instead of a full season, we get an hour and a half, and absolutely no idea when other new material will get animated.Really, the only differences between six episodes and a two hour movie are the fact that the movie would have a higher budget and would be more tightly tuned to keep the story flowing cohesively, rather than cutting things up into distinct segments.BUT... don't you agree that for Disappearance particularly, a movie is better suited?
If this was a TV series, the weekly wait between each epsiode will totally kill the suspense from the last episode. Unlike Melancholy where each chapter can pretty much sort of be self-contained, this coming arc IMO is the kind that is best enjoyed in one single ride.


Assuming a new season is made following the movie, how many series have had movies that take place in between seasons? And I mean movies that you have to watch before watching the following season(s).I'm sure there are more, but there's one I can think of off the top of my head... Initial D.
Third stage was a movie that was a prerequisite for the the next season.
... Speaking of Inital D, I wonder if we're gonna see some Inital D-like cgi when they get around to animating Intrigues (vol.7)


Absolutely not please. Like I said and I believe Triple_R agreed with me, enough with the gimmicks, let's just do proper quality adaptations of the core source material like the company is supposedly known for being the king of. A back to the basics approach that made the franchise successful in the first place would mean no mining the doujin market and selling it back to fans, which basically also means no more Haruhi-Chan, Churuya-Chan or any Kyonko like ideas for the time being.LOL now that you mention it, I TOTALLY won't be supprised if they do a Haruhi-chan 2 shortly after this movie:heh:


Which reminds me of Full Metal Panic. What's it been, 4 years since the last series?I haven't read the novels myself, but I did read somewhere that all the volumes after TSR, end on a cliff hanger and makes animating it a little difficult.
Head to the Full Metal Panic forums for more details.

[Ricky Controversy]

Oh, absolutely, Trueno. Haha, I realized afterward that wasn't the clearest impact statement, just a pair of claims. That the movie ought to be superior is what I was driving at.

Personally, I feel like Disappearance is one of the stories best suited for a movie out of all the novels so far. Exceptional gravitas and due to the nature of the situation, it lends itself better to being a single cohesive whole and a stand-alone, as your required foreknowledge of the specifics of the series--at least to really enjoy it--is pretty minimal. All you really need to know are the very basics.

[Ricky Controversy]

@NHA: I was meaning to ask you, since I'm insatiably curious about diverging opinions: what exactly is it about the Haruhi Suzumiya franchise that makes you feel it doesn't qualify to be a 'good' movie by the standards that entails for you?

[Siggrodoth]

I looked forward to the pacing of that arc being:

the first episode wrapping up with Kyon going to bed, kind of wishing for things to change; the second one beginning with Kyon waking up in the new world and his discovering how everything is different; and the third beginning with his finding Haruhi and pals and gathering them at the club room for the "key" to work.]

I couldn't say how I'd like pacing to be beyond this part, but it kind of saddens me this will not be the case.

But hey, chances are it won't take around six hours to wrap up, unlike THAT other storyline... And also, they MUST keep (IMO) the best parts of the novel, like Yuki smiling, Kyon threatening the Integrated Data Entity with utter destruction with "John Smith", and Haruhi sleeping next to Kyon's bed and being happy for his getting better - while trying to hide it.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

This is unexpected to say the least. Just a normal routine of browsing the forums and I come across this announcement.:)

[Nappy Hared Azn]

@NHA: I was meaning to ask you, since I'm insatiably curious about diverging opinions: what exactly is it about the Haruhi Suzumiya franchise that makes you feel it doesn't qualify to be a 'good' movie by the standards that entails for you?
I'm a purist when it comes to cinema, and I don't believe that Haruhi is "serious business" enough to be a good movie; it'll just be another mediocre piece of shit plaguing theaters. I believe that the only movies worth two shakes of piss are good movies, and I just don't see Haruhi winning an Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film.
If you couldn't already tell from my previous post (part of which is quoted for your convenience), I have ridiculously high standards for films. The only movies that are worth my time are good movies (Oscar material), pure comedies, and cult classic material (Fight Club, etc.); Haruhi isn't a pure comedy, it doesn't have the makings of a cult classic, and--like I've said before--it's probably not going to be winning any Oscars.

I'm not saying the Haruhi franchise is necessarily bad (Hell, I'm posting in this thread, right?), but if you feel that Tanigawa is on the same level as Hemingway or that whoever's directing the movie is the next Kubrick, then you've got another thing coming.

[dnab]

The timing of the movie announcement was utterly .... predictable, even "boring" by Haruhi's own standards. It's the only way for KyoAni to rationalize Endless 8. But you'd figure they'd make the announcement a bit earlier (like 2 weeks ago) to couple with some substantive promos (like actual novel #10 release) and an original material episode. Not much to ask given the length of time and massive fan abuse Kadokawa dished out. But noooo~~~~ Haruhism shall now forever be linked to slow, relentless, haunting pain.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'm not saying the Haruhi franchise is necessarily bad (Hell, I'm posting in this thread, right?), but if you feel that Tanigawa is on the same level as Hemingway or that whoever's directing the movie is the next Kubrick, then you've got another thing coming.

I don't think anybody is comparing Tanigawa to the masters here.... :uhoh: I mean I don't think anybody really expects Haruhi to be anything other than just a movie even though it can seem at times like some of the more die hard fans can get a little overexcited with the hype and what not.

[Nappy Hared Azn]

No, because that much is obvious and I was just driving my point home. Thank you for taking it literally. On the internet.

[Animexcel]

The timing of the movie announcement was utterly .... predictable, even "boring" by Haruhi's own standards. It's the only way for KyoAni to rationalize Endless 8. But you'd figure they'd make the announcement a bit earlier (like 2 weeks ago) to couple with some substantive promos (like actual novel #10 release) and an original material episode. Not much to ask given the length of time and massive fan abuse Kadokawa dished out. But noooo~~~~ Haruhism shall now forever be linked to slow, relentless, haunting pain.

Why didn't you tell us a movie was coming out?

[AmyElizzabeth]

and Haruhi sleeping next to Kyon's bed and being happy for his getting better - while trying to hide it.
Best Scene IMO. But mainly cuz I'm a Haruhi x Kyon shipper, and Disappearance is more of Yuki x Kyon, It's still a good thing.

[Kyanme]

A MOVIE?

Not sure if want. I was dying during Rebuild 2.0 (and then my precious asuka ;_; ) Plus the wait for subs... gah. Heck, did I even see 2.0 with subs? I think I gave up waiting after a month.

I guess movie!Disappearance is better than no Disapperance.

Although I might have to try to go move in with Grannie with week to see a giant Ryoko before me... Mmm, yes...

[bhl88]

Following the last episode - Someday in the Rain - of the Haruhi Suzumiya renewal season, Kadokawa and Kyoto Animation announced that a Haruhi movie will be released in theaters this Spring 2010. Details are sparse on the production but the movie is to be based on 'The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya' arc from the fourth novel which follows the Brigade in a "Haruhi-less world of normalcy".

Hijacked from Raz at figure.fm via ANN.

Much better than waiting for December 18 XD

And the prophecy came true... the episode did "Di-" ah forget that crappy joke...

[Sackett]

I'm interested in how doing it as a movie changes the perspective of the story.

When told in conjunction with the follow ups and so forth, Disappearance is a moving development of Kyon's character, and an affirmation of his affection for the SOS brigade and the crazy antics of Haruhi Suzumiya.

As a stand alone story however, I think it changes to become a tragic story of Yuki Nagato's rejected attempt at achieving humanity. The advertisements seem to be swinging this way too.

Not to mention it will be interesting as to how they handle the conclusion, will they leave it as the deliberate confusing end with dangling plot threads that it is in the book (so that it can be cleared up later in the 3rd season?) Or will they splice on the final conclusion right away?

[relentlessflame]

Much better than waiting for December 18 XDThat "December 18" was I think just some fan's speculation about when the DVD for this movie could possibly be released, since most English fans will only see this once the DVD comes out. Certainly, it will be out in Japanese theatres before then.

[Triple_R]

It really does more than you can possibly imagine...at least for me.

I'm actually finding myself pleasantly stunned by this news. I guess that my view of Kadokawa/KyoAni had plummeted to such depths that getting Disappearance at all, even in a movie airing later than what I would have thought (if they were to go the movie route), is a very pleasant piece of news to me.

It's like watching my favorite hockey team pull off a startling victory over the top team in the league, and after starting the year 0-8. ;)

Of course, whether or not my favorite hockey team could parlay that into a comeback season remains to be scene... likewise, it remains to be scene if KyoAni/Kadokawa can parlay this into an enjoyable, and a healthy, and revived, and renowned, and surging in popularity Haruhi franchise. :D

But hey, given that I can be a hopeful Montreal Canadiens fan after the disappointment they've put me through, I can certainly do the same for Haruhi. ;)


I'm looking for honest to god effort at making something interesting to watch and hear instead of just more pandering to the core moe otaku fanbase in Japan and a reliance on viral marketing and hype as usual. If this movie has some actual effort outside of the occasional glamour shot then I'll be willing to go back to the status quo and actually have expectations for works coming out of Kyoani.

Truthfully, Disappearance probably doesn't lend itself to a lot of pandering to the core moe otaku fanbase. The story doesn't lend itself to simply "putting these characters on parade", as you would say (and rightly so, as it pertains to E8, I'll admit).




If they can't do something as simple as that then........well..........

Yeah, they have to deliver something good here with this movie.

As long as KyoAni genuinely tries its best, and just does a basic straight-up adaptation with this movie... it'll be very good, if not great or terrific.

The fact that they've dropped the numerology gimmickry by airing this in Spring (instead of in Winter) is a good omen to me, in that regard. It could be a sign that they're taking this project very seriously, and it's going to be about high quality content and not about sacrificing such content on the alter of metacommentary.




Anyway to be a little more positive I guess I can say that as bland as the teaser trailer is it's decidely non-bullshit advertising so that's already a start in the right direction.....I guess. It doesn't get me excited, but it doesn't put me off immediately either and actually has me awaiting another trailer to see what the deal is. How almost normal of them......

I pretty much agree. Where I disagree a bit with you, is that I think that this is a good opening teaser trailer for this movie. I hope for a more in-depth "bells and whistles" trailer in two or three months time, but this opening teaser trailer is a good way to wet the appetite of fans for more. And, if nothing else, it shows good artwork quality.


Absolutely not please. Like I said and I believe Triple_R agreed with me, enough with the gimmicks, let's just do proper quality adaptations of the core source material like the company is supposedly known for being the king of.

AMEN.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. :heh:


A back to the basics approach that made the franchise successful in the first place would mean no mining the doujin market and selling it back to fans, which basically also means no more Haruhi-Chan, Churuya-Chan or any Kyonko like ideas for the time being. I know they said they think that Haruhi can be a meta-franchise like Gundam and transcend the otaku subculture, but they can't rush something like that like they've been trying to do.

Haruhi, I think, can transcend the otaku subculture... but, obviously, you don't do that by pandering to the otaku subculture itself. You do a straight-up, back to basics approach that just tries to produce something of overall high quality that even your most casual anime fan could look at and say "Hey, that looks cool. I think I'll check it out!"


If they want another shot at the mainstream then they ought to reestablish the base of the core franchise before they expand, otherwise it will all collapse on them very rapidly again for all but the die hard core fanbase.....viral marketing and gimmickery or not.

Agreed.

Overall, I'm really glad about this news. I'd prefer an announcement of a true Season 2 next year (one including Disappearance), but this is still good news. The fact that it's a movie pretty much guarantees high production values. At the absolute least, it should have awesome artwork and animation, at least up to the par of the final two episodes of Sighs.

[Daniel Lind]

It's like watching my favorite hockey team pull off a startling victory over the top team in the league, and after starting the year 0-8.
I just recently realized that the sports score joke (8-0) was used at the very first scene in the very first episode of Endless Eight.

They warned us.


Speaking of things, another reason they didn't give Endless Eight much budget might be that they planned this endeavor all along and never even expected Endless Eight to sell good.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Funny... I called this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2514044&postcount=381) the month before Heminga started thinking (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2557582&postcount=659) about the possibility (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2557723&postcount=660) of it, and yet, he's the one who gets the credit for doing so... Oh well. :heh:

[Triple_R]

I just recently realized that the sports score joke (8-0) was used at the very first scene in the very first episode of Endless Eight.

They warned us.

The baseball team that Kyon was watching was down 8-0? If so... even I'll admit that's a genuinely clever bit of metacommentary.



Speaking of things, another reason they didn't give Endless Eight much budget might be that they planned this endeavor all along and never even expected Endless Eight to sell good.

You're probably right.


Funny... I called this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2514044&postcount=381) the month before Heminga started thinking (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2557582&postcount=659) about the possibility (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2557723&postcount=660) of it, and yet, he's the one who gets the credit for doing so... Oh well. :heh:

Well then... Kogetsu and Heminga are both excellent at calling what KyoAni will do next! Good job, guys!

The way I see it, Heminga went 4.5/5. That's 90%. Not bad... not bad at all.

And Kogetsu called it so far in the past that it's quite impressive.

[Ice Block]

Funny... I called this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2514044&postcount=381) the month before Heminga started thinking (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2557582&postcount=659) about the possibility (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2557723&postcount=660) of it, and yet, he's the one who gets the credit for doing so... Oh well. :heh:
Ho ho, but way back when on the old Season Two Speculation thread (and on the image thread, more than a year ago), there was this fan-made poster-wallpaper depicting a Disappearance movie:

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/largeAnimePaperwallpapers_The-Melan.jpg (http://www.animepaper.net/gallery/wallpapers/wayback/item76917/1/)

Disclaimer: This was not made by me, just pointing it out. All credit goes to the original author.

[kyosak]

Would be pretty cool if they managed to get it playing in US theaters... At least in select theaters or something! :p

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/largeAnimePaperwallpapers_The-Melan.jpg (http://www.animepaper.net/gallery/wallpapers/wayback/item76917/1/)

... That... really has nothing at all to do with the story, aside from Haruhi's appearance and maybe what Koizumi is wearing... and the way the title is written would've worked better for Endless Eight. :heh:

[Archon_Wing]

As long as KyoAni genuinely tries its best, and just does a basic straight-up adaptation with this movie... it'll be very good, if not great or terrific.


I'll have to join you folks in the "stop the gimmicks and do what you do best" crowd. :D

[bhl88]

lol they just FUMOFFU-ed themselves in the foot... they should've gone through Disappearance instead of Endless Eight XD

[Triple_R]

I'll have to join you folks in the "stop the gimmicks and do what you do best" crowd. :D

Welcome to the gang! Pull up a chair, and enjoy our gang's night of Haruhi movie watching. There's free beer and popcorn for all who join us! :cool: We also have some great definitive Haruhi tunes playing in the background, like that schmaltzy restaurant music from E8!

They really should open up a restaurant in Japan called "The Restaurant of Haruhi Suzumiya" and make it look and sound exactly like the restaurant in E8; I'm sure it would do endlessly well! :D :heh:

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Except, then you'd have Disappearance being treated the same as Sigh. I don't think anyone here would've honestly liked that to happen. :heh:

[Daniel Lind]

They really should open up a restaurant in Japan called "The Restaurant of Haruhi Suzumiya" and make it look and sound exactly like the restaurant in E8; I'm sure it would do endlessly well!
That cafe is already an IRL location like everything else in Haruhi...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

The only drawback is that it doesn't feature the SOS Brigade as regulars. :p

[Triple_R]

Except, then you'd have Disappearance being treated the same as Sigh. I don't think anyone here would've honestly liked that to happen. :heh:

I honestly would. Sigh was, by far, the best part of this year of Haruhi episodes, imho.


That cafe is already an IRL location like everything else in Haruhi...

Good point. I wonder if the cafe in question promotes themselves as being in the Haruhi Suzumiya anime? They really should if they don't.


The only drawback is that it doesn't feature the SOS Brigade as regulars. :p

Also, it would be great if they called it "The Restaurant of Haruhi Suzumiya". :D

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I honestly would. Sigh was, by far, the best part of this year of Haruhi episodes, imho.

I was referring to the fact that it'd just be haphazardly tacked onto the '06 season if it were included. :heh:

[Triple_R]

I was referring to the fact that it'd just be haphazardly tacked onto the '06 season if it were included. :heh:

Oh. Well, as for that old debate... since we're getting a Disappearance movie now, it's perhaps rendered moot.

As long as its a well-done movie, I'll be happy with the overall direction of the Haruhi anime. :)

[kniteowl]

Assuming the disappearance movie does turn out to be very successful, can we expect future Haruhi Arcs to be made into movies?

I can't see intrigues being turned into a movie but Dissociation/Astonishment might be turned into one depending how the story/novel turns out but it's be a nightmare to animate due to *read spoilers*

Alpha/beta dilemma (well not really a spoiler but just to be safe)

[Solafighter]

Haruhi as movie?

Thats some great news. :cool:

[Airman8]

I guess that my view of Kadokawa/KyoAni had plummeted to such depths that getting Disappearance at all, even in a movie airing later than what I would have thought (if they were to go the movie route), is a very pleasant piece of news to me.

I'm starting to think I'm the only one who interpreted the E8 spectacle and all the other trolling in a positive light. I took it as a sign that they have a special place in their hearts for the Haruhi series. Maybe it was the visible depiction of Hyperion by Dan Simmons in a S1 episode that made me feel like they're really doing their homework on this one...

But hey, given that I can be a hopeful Montreal Canadiens fan after the disappointment they've put me through, I can certainly do the same for Haruhi. ;)

Poor Carrie. :( My Canucks really gave him a thrashing last night, and in front of his family to boot. Fortunately I have a more optimistic outlook for Haruhi. The fact that they've announced the movie, and as Chaos pointed out, their first movie, suggests to me that they are ready to rise to the occasion. I'm very excited for it!

[Triple_R]

I'm starting to think I'm the only one who interpreted the E8 spectacle and all the other trolling in a positive light. I took it as a sign that they have a special place in their hearts for the Haruhi series. Maybe it was the visible depiction of Hyperion by Dan Simmons in a S1 episode that made me feel like they're really doing their homework on this one...

Well, there are people who sincerely liked E8. And I will admit that KyoAni's approach of intricately basing the settings and backgrounds of Haruhi on real world places is a very nice touch, displaying serious artistic dedication.


Poor Carrie. :(

Yep. I felt bad for him too.


My Canucks really gave him a thrashing last night, and in front of his family to boot.

You're a hockey fan too? Cool! The Canucks have a good team this year. I think that they're a contender to be sure.


Fortunately I have a more optimistic outlook for Haruhi. The fact that they've announced the movie, and as Chaos pointed out, their first movie, suggests to me that they are ready to rise to the occasion. I'm very excited for it!

Same here! I can't wait to see what they come up with.

[CaptGloval]

Mmm.. one more anime movie to watch out for.

Say, how would Yuki sound in the movie? I'm thinking it would be somewhat closer to Chihara Minori's real voice.

[Solachinx]

Mmm.. one more anime movie to watch out for.

Say, how would Yuki sound in the movie? I'm thinking it would be somewhat closer to Chihara Minori's real voice.

Just a little bit closer, but not much. Yuki is still very quiet as a normie.

I just realized: Do you think they'll include Lover into the movie, or do you think it'll be a normal episode?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It'll be stand alone. There's very little relevance, aside from the fact that it focuses on Nagato.

[Daniel Lind]

I wonder if they'll give out the theme song to Minorin or if they'll bring the whole trio to sing again. Assuming theme songs in Haruhi have never been bad (character songs... not always so) we might quite get something on par with Yuki Muon Madobe nite.

[Joe4evr]

Pokemon is still showing a theatrical movie every summer. :PWell, I didn't know those movies played in cinemas too.... Speaking of Inital D, I wonder if we're gonna see some Inital D-like cgi when they get around to animating Intrigues (vol.7)YES, they should. They did in in Lucky Star, they'll do it again. Better yet, they HAVE to do it again, because they are KyoAni.:heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'm actually finding myself pleasantly stunned by this news. I guess that my view of Kadokawa/KyoAni had plummeted to such depths that getting Disappearance at all, even in a movie airing later than what I would have thought (if they were to go the movie route), is a very pleasant piece of news to me.

Personally I want to see the results before I'll get excited. It's time to live up to the hype as opposed to just coasting on it and using it as a lead-in.

It's like watching my favorite hockey team pull off a startling victory over the top team in the league, and after starting the year 0-8. ;)

Of course, whether or not my favorite hockey team could parlay that into a comeback season remains to be scene... likewise, it remains to be scene if KyoAni/Kadokawa can parlay this into an enjoyable, and a healthy, and revived, and renowned, and surging in popularity Haruhi franchise. :D

But hey, given that I can be a hopeful Montreal Canadiens fan after the disappointment they've put me through, I can certainly do the same for Haruhi. ;)

Forgive me if I say that I never want to see the whole Haruhism thing rise to the deafening roar that it was in 2006. That was just too stifling for my blood and I would almost want to be a part of that less than I would like to see a subpar Haruhi movie. I think there should be a healthy middle ground.

Also I'm a Canadiens fan too and I'll say a least they aren't as embarassing as the Leafs. I mean they are number two so far as opposed to the Leafs who have yet to actually win a game as far as I know.


Truthfully, Disappearance probably doesn't lend itself to a lot of pandering to the core moe otaku fanbase. The story doesn't lend itself to simply "putting these characters on parade", as you would say (and rightly so, as it pertains to E8, I'll admit).



What about the whole moefied and weak-willed Yuki, the even bitchier Haruhi (thanks to not being with Kyon all this time), and the....well same old Mikuru really.


Yeah, they have to deliver something good here with this movie.

As long as KyoAni genuinely tries its best, and just does a basic straight-up adaptation with this movie... it'll be very good, if not great or terrific.

The fact that they've dropped the numerology gimmickry by airing this in Spring (instead of in Winter) is a good omen to me, in that regard. It could be a sign that they're taking this project very seriously, and it's going to be about high quality content and not about sacrificing such content on the alter of metacommentary.

Yes again, something just good that allows the franchise to live up to a fraction of the hype and praise it's gotten over the years. Just....something good....without gimmicks and marketing to carry the day. Something equal to the quality of the last episode of this season will even satisy me. I'm not asking for much hear.



I pretty much agree. Where I disagree a bit with you, is that I think that this is a good opening teaser trailer for this movie. I hope for a more in-depth "bells and whistles" trailer in two or three months time, but this opening teaser trailer is a good way to wet the appetite of fans for more. And, if nothing else, it shows good artwork quality.

It's a zoom-in of a still image of a character that unfortunately reminds me of how an actual episode of K-On started. Not what I would call appetite wetting.


AMEN.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. :heh:

Haruhi, I think, can transcend the otaku subculture... but, obviously, you don't do that by pandering to the otaku subculture itself. You do a straight-up, back to basics approach that just tries to produce something of overall high quality that even your most casual anime fan could look at and say "Hey, that looks cool. I think I'll check it out!"

Doubtful, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, but it's something I'd rather just stay comfortable where it is as a subculture. Really I'm perfectly comfortable around the whole Haruhi franchise/fandom right now as opposed to in 2006 where again as I said it was near deafening and if you dared criticize the franchise or it's producers even in the slightest the response wasn't a pretty sight. It wasn't too much fun at all to try and discuss it really. I like the breathing room that exists right now where we can dare suggest that there is room for improvement with this franchise. In that regard let's just stick with the whole back to the basics idea for now.


Agreed.

Overall, I'm really glad about this news. I'd prefer an announcement of a true Season 2 next year (one including Disappearance), but this is still good news. The fact that it's a movie pretty much guarantees high production values. At the absolute least, it should have awesome artwork and animation, at least up to the par of the final two episodes of Sighs.

I'd honestly rather they take it slow in order to ensure that the quality get's back up there. Granted they took 3 years to come out with Endless Eight so I'm not sure that's a factor, but I still think taking it slow is the way to go.

Also in life their are no guarantees, only degrees of chance in increasing probablity. It doesn't pay to assume anything about the Haruhi movie until we see a real trailer as opposed to a still image, and even then it could probably wait till the movie itself since Kyoani/Kadokawa have been known to have deliberately misleading and flat out stupid advertising.

So yeah basically "let's take it slow" is the core theme of my approach and the approach I hope to see for the movie. There should honestly be no rush as the second season just ended.

[Daniel Lind]

Granted they took 3 years to come out with Endless Eight
They took 3 years to come out with all Endless Eight, Sighs AND the movie.
The movie can't simply be done in half a year.

[Myssa Rei]

This is GREAT news, after all that's been thrown our way really. The thing is, there's a very VERY real fear that the studio will still somehow screw it up in the minds of the viewers (the more casual of which were pretty much mostly killed off by Endless Eight...).

Sorry... My classes have been killing my objectivity a little, as I'm being drilled into looking at EVERYTHING now with a critical eye, not only literature. And there's so much that can go wrong with a movie, given WHO is bankrolling it.

It's going to be a long wait for the DVDs, that's for sure.

[Myssa Rei]

Oh who am I kidding? The past two weeks wailing on New Criticism (and how... LIMITING it is) has gotten to me. I'm really trying hard to be cautiously optimistic here, but it's really hard. I'm not apostate, but COME ON. My faith was thrown in the wringer for more than half of a season, with the last few episodes only barely making it a wash instead of a total loss.

It's hard, darn it, to be really happy about this, since I keep on thinking, again and AGAIN AND AGAIN, that Kadokawa Shoten is still bankrolling the franchise. It's like having the Mafia running the Vatican!

[Animexcel]

They took 3 years to come out with all Endless Eight, Sighs AND the movie.
The movie can't simply be done in half a year.


Remember that Haruhi is the ULTRA director :p It can be done xD

[OkamiNoKaze]

I'm looking forward to it, granted a rather long wait but that's fine, in the meantime there'll probably be one or two more english novels, and hopefully the region 1 release of "season 2"

[Jintor]

My soul returns.

[ac195]

After all this time... I still don't understand why anyone would be pissed about not getting Disappearance this year...

1) If you read the book, you know what happens...
2) If you haven't read the book, you don't know shit about what you're missing...

If you really can't wait... just read the damn book again... I bet the movie will be good, but the book is still probably gonna be the better of the two.

[Heatth]

It'll be stand alone. There's very little relevance, aside from the fact that it focuses on Nagato.

And how about Intrigues Prologue? It is more a epilogue for Disappearance, dispite the name. I hope they don't include it. Then 100-120 minutes would be too few.

My soul returns.

Standard reaction for a Haruhi fan, I guess.

[Daniel Lind]

And how about Intrigues Prologue? It is more a epilogue for Disappearance, dispite the name. I hope they don't include it. Then 100-120 minutes would be too few.
They might incorporate it into the movie itself, leaving out (or changing) the fact that it happened much later than December.

[Heatth]

They might incorporate it into the movie itself, leaving out (or changing) the fact that it happened much later than December.

As I said, I hope not. This prologue is quite big, bigger then most chapter from Disappearance. And the book work somewhat better without it.

[Peanutbutter003]

I hope somehow or somewhere, a.f.k can get their hands on it. ;)

[Dakota]

oh lawd yes


I hope somehow or somewhere, a.f.k can get their hands on it. ;)

oh lawd yesss

(but seriously, someone will CamRip it, i wouldn't be surprised if a.f.k. did that)

[Triple_R]

What about the whole moefied and weak-willed Yuki, the even bitchier Haruhi (thanks to not being with Kyon all this time), and the....well same old Mikuru really.

You're right. I hope that they don't play that up too much.


Yes again, something just good that allows the franchise to live up to a fraction of the hype and praise it's gotten over the years. Just....something good....without gimmicks and marketing to carry the day. Something equal to the quality of the last episode of this season will even satisfy me. I'm not asking for much hear.

Agreed. If it matches the quality of the last episode of this season, I'll be satisfied as well.


Doubtful, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, but it's something I'd rather just stay comfortable where it is as a subculture. Really I'm perfectly comfortable around the whole Haruhi franchise/fandom right now as opposed to in 2006 where again as I said it was near deafening and if you dared criticize the franchise or it's producers even in the slightest the response wasn't a pretty sight. It wasn't too much fun at all to try and discuss it really. I like the breathing room that exists right now where we can dare suggest that there is room for improvement with this franchise. In that regard let's just stick with the whole back to the basics idea for now.

I see your point here. That being said, as Gundam Seed Destiny shows, you can be part of a massively popular franchise and still be subpar and get valid criticism for it.

The problem with KyoAni was that it was widely viewed as downright infallible until this year. I think that is over now. Heck, even this thread isn't exactly hype central, reflecting that fact.

The general mood is now cautiously optimistic, which is probably a good thing.


I'd honestly rather they take it slow in order to ensure that the quality get's back up there. Granted they took 3 years to come out with Endless Eight so I'm not sure that's a factor, but I still think taking it slow is the way to go.

Well, they probably shouldn't burn through the material. Maybe a movie this coming Spring, and a two year layoff after that until more Haruhi is released?




Also in life their are no guarantees, only degrees of chance in increasing probability. It doesn't pay to assume anything about the Haruhi movie until we see a real trailer as opposed to a still image, and even then it could probably wait till the movie itself since Kyoani/Kadokawa have been known to have deliberately misleading and flat out stupid advertising.

You're right. The movie could be "delayed", or anything really. It's best to take a wait and see approach. The idea of a high production Disappearance movie is very appealing to me, though. So, I guess that hope is trumping cynicism for me at the moment.

At some level, I think that even KyoAni realizes that they can't test their fan's patience much longer. If the Disappearance movie is delayed by a year or more, that'll be a critical blow, I think.

[Daniel Lind]

In the meantime, on official Haruhi website

http://haruhi.tv/fanclub/img/haruhi_top_main091009.jpg

The teaser is also up.

Kyoto Animation's Haruhi page is updated with a promo page as well.
And it wasn't long before some goods with Disapp. artwork appeared (artwork itself is two years old though).

[haruhi.ism]

yeah, the artwork, well all the artwork from the various disappearance teases in like newtype and stuff, is really amazing, just like first season of haruhi.
i think the movie has been animated and done and locked in some secret vault somewhere for a WHILE. and i think its gonna look and feel like the first season of haruhi. all i can say is...please no K-ON moeblobs...

[Archon_Wing]

[spoiler=Disappearance plot stuff]

I see your point here. That being said, as Gundam Seed Destiny shows, you can be part of a massively popular franchise and still be subpar and get valid criticism for it.

The problem with KyoAni was that it was widely viewed as downright infallible until this year. I think that is over now. Heck, even this thread isn't exactly hype central, reflecting that fact.

I don't know about that. Sure the individual shows have strong fanbases, but I'm not really sure if they were that widely proclaimed as godlike. I mean Haruhi did get a lot of praise, opinion on other shows, such as Lucky Star, tend to be more mixed from what I saw.

The general mood is now cautiously optimistic, which is probably a good thing.

Yep, no need to go off into the extremes. Season 2 to me wasn't the end of the world even if I didn't like some of it. ;) But then again, I just watch it as it comes; I don't care about hype. Otherwise it's too easy to not see something for what it is.

[NettoSaito]

If you think about it an hour and a half movie works just as well as a few episodes. Each episode is ruffly 25 mins long which includes a 1 min (or so) long opening, and ending credits. This means each episode is really about 23 or 22 mins long.

A movie is an hour and a half with one opening and one ending. That's around 4 episodes time built into one.

[Heatth]

If you think about it an hour and a half movie works just as well as a few episodes. Each episode is ruffly 25 mins long which includes a 1 min (or so) long opening, and ending credits. This means each episode is really about 23 or 22 mins long.

A movie is an hour and a half with one opening and one ending. That's around 4 episodes time built into one.

Yeah, 22 min long each episode, quite. It is more like 24 minuts an episode and 1 minte each OP and ED. 24-2=22

So, 100 minutes (quite more then an hour and half) is 4 episodes and half. You must remember Disappearance is the shortest book. If they go by 120 min long, then it would be 5.4 episodes. More then enough. (as long they don't include the Intrigue's prologue)

[Joe4evr]

If they go by 120 min long, then it would be 5.4 episodes. More then enough. (as long they don't include the Intrigue's prologue)I don't think Intrigue's prologue would/should be included, there are still a few things that happen in between which are important to know.

[mitsuganae]

I wonder if they'll do some additional exposition for the benefit of viewers (however many or few) with little knowledge of the characters and the Haruhiverse as a whole.

[GDB]

I wonder if they'll do some additional exposition for the benefit of viewers (however many or few) with little knowledge of the characters and the Haruhiverse as a whole.

They'll probably just do it like the Detective Conan movies: a quick one minute recap of who the important recurring characters are, leading into the OP.

[DJ_RockmanX]

I wonder if they'll do some additional exposition for the benefit of viewers (however many or few) with little knowledge of the characters and the Haruhiverse as a whole.

They just did that. Over the course of the past seven months.

[mitsuganae]

They'll probably just do it like the Detective Conan movies: a quick one minute recap of who the important recurring characters are, leading into the OP.That could probably work. Mentioning Detective Conan made me imagine a misleading opening exposition in film noir style, with a detective (Kyon), a femme fatale (Mikuru), a mysterious/ambivalent person who's possibly turncoat (Itsuki), a damsel desperately seeking help (Yuki), and an insane mafia boss (Haruhi).

[phizzy]

Oh, what's that in my pants? You're not supposed to sneeze from there...

[Heatth]

I don't think Intrigue's prologue would/should be included, there are still a few things that happen in between which are important to know.

I agree with you. Also, the impact of the book work better without that prologue. He is made to be part of another story, after all. I am concerned about how much they are trying to be it a stand alone. I hope they don't worry too much with it.

They'll probably just do it like the Detective Conan movies: a quick one minute recap of who the important recurring characters are, leading into the OP.

I think they need to do that. Is like when a sequel book quickly reintroduce characters we really should know already. After all, some people are goin to watch the movie even tough don't have watched the anime (I don't know why someone would do this but...).

[Siggrodoth]

Funny, is it only me, or does the Yuki from the teasers look... genuinely sad? I mean, she's obviously not smiling or anything - that's her facial gimmick, after all - but her mouth curves slightly like an arc, unlike in the usual blank stares she gives. I did read Disappearance, but it's been a while and I do not remember her looking particularly like this.

I can see the movie's climax being Kyon doing the entire John Smith dialogue with a rousing score not unlike the one from where he broke the time loop in EE and I am already getting pumped up for this.

[Heatth]

I can see the movie's climax being Kyon doing the entire John Smith dialogue with a rousing score not unlike the one from where he broke the time loop in EE and I am already getting pumped up for this.

Well, the climax is actually much latter. This is one of the high points, however.

Anyway, I could try to explain why Yuki seens to sad. But not without massive spoilers and I really don't think is needed. :p The real reason is the moe factor, anyway.

[Little Buster]

I guess I'll see yal In a year when its on DVD. Why must KyoAni make us wait for the Best Novel of them all?(Maybe not all)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Because they have to get through six other volumes first. :p

[kniteowl]

time to place the wagers on when the exact release date of the cinematic viewing of the Disappearance movie... well I'm broke so no betting for me :(

but since a lot of people are guessing the DVD release date being December 18th, just go back 6months & you have June 18th as a possible release date or should the release date of the movie be the same as the day Haruhi first aired as an anime?

You know what would be the biggest troll? Disappearance done in the "The Adventures of Asahina Mikuru style" animation... with the intro being the Mikuru theme song lmao (they should be happy, they get to see Haruhi's home made movie on the BIG SCREEN *kidding*)

I would crack up so hard if they did that... poor audience's very high expectations destroyed

Well if they did do that for the 1st minute or so of the movie just to screw with people then swap to Kyon re-watching the movie in the club room bored while Haruhi & Co are planning for Christmas then I guess it would be pretty kool troll.

[Daniel Lind]

You know what would be the biggest troll?
COME

ON.
Stop this "troll, troll, troll, troll, TROLL"!
I, for one, started to hate certain area of web for popularizing the word.

You do not, i repeat, NEVER INTENTIONALLY DO ANYTHING IN BUSINESS LIKE "DOING SOMETHING ANNOYING TO SEE IF YOUR CUSTOMER GETS ANGRY".
There might be art mistakes, producing mistakes, advertisment mistakes, intentional silence, careful (or not so much) work with hype, but never doing LOL RANDOM SO FUNNY things. That's ridiculous and I'm goddamn tired of those claims.

[Tensei]

but since a lot of people are guessing the DVD release date being December 18th, just go back 6months & you have June 18th as a possible release date or should the release date of the movie be the same as the day Haruhi first aired as an anime?




.....how about July 7th? you know, Tanabata.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

If you really get technical, the only real "problem" with Episode 00 was the acting(er, the characters' acting, I mean)... I'd say it ranks pretty high in terms of animation quality for the series. :heh:

[kniteowl]

.....how about July 7th? you know, Tanabata.

Oh yeah... the link to Bamboo leaf Rhasody... good idea. but then I'd have to wait longer for Haruhi... :(... ah well.

[Triple_R]

.....how about July 7th? you know, Tanabata.

That's a neat idea. It would be fitting in many ways. Especially if Tanabata is a day when Japanese people like to watch movies a lot (like, say, what Americans do on Independence Day in the US).

As for the trolling discussion... why people are so focused on trolling, and even in a way of desiring it, I don't quite get myself. I agree with Daniel Lind there.

[DJ_RockmanX]

COME

ON.
Stop this "troll, troll, troll, troll, TROLL"!
I, for one, started to hate certain area of web for popularizing the word.

You do not, i repeat, NEVER INTENTIONALLY DO ANYTHING IN BUSINESS LIKE "DOING SOMETHING ANNOYING TO SEE IF YOUR CUSTOMER GETS ANGRY".
There might be art mistakes, producing mistakes, advertisment mistakes, intentional silence, careful (or not so much) work with hype, but never doing LOL RANDOM SO FUNNY things. That's ridiculous and I'm goddamn tired of those claims.

As for the trolling discussion... why people are so focused on trolling, and even in a way of desiring it, I don't quite get myself. I agree with Daniel Lind there.

So long as people feel that they were personally wronged, it will continue to be.

[Tensei]

weird thing i find about the date in the novel....it just so happens to be on my birthday:heh:

anyways, after what kniteowl said.....would they really dare do such messed up thing to the fans....i mean, would they be crazy enough for that?:heh:

i wonder if the word troll will get censored after a while in teh internet:heh:

[Daniel Lind]

So long as people feel that they were personally wronged, it will continue to be.
I can advise those people to get a life and stop be offended over movies and cartoons.
This might seem harsh, but I can't even imagine how anyone would get angry over entertainment he didn't even pay for.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So long as people feel that they were personally wronged, it will continue to be.

Which just to show those people are just plain arrogant. KyoAni doesn't even know they exist, why would KyoAni wrong them?

It's all about people thinking they are far more important than they actually are.

[relentlessflame]

It's all about people thinking they are far more important than they actually are.But, don't you know, that's the whole point! More than half of what you read on these forums are people presuming to indirectly tell anime writers, directors, producers, and artists all the things they've done Objectively Wrong, despite the fact that most opining have no qualifications to make those sorts of conclusive statements. And they're also deliberately trying to tell other viewers all the reasons why they too should feel the same way, even though there's no reason to believe that anyone else would share their personal tastes and preferences that closely. "It's all about me" isn't just an arrogant statement, it's a lifestyle for most of the Internet. :heh:

Anyway, sarcasm/cynicism aside, this is the proverbial song that never ends, so we should probably try to refocus our attention on the movie itself... granted that there isn't too much more to discuss until the next bit of information is released.

[ac195]

So it's pretty much.

Shut up and wait.

You can whine in the back seat of the car as much as you want... but it isn't like we are going to get there any faster.

[quigonkenny]

They'll probably just do it like the Detective Conan movies: a quick one minute recap of who the important recurring characters are, leading into the OP.
They have that already. It's called the prologue. Between the two scenes that prologue entails, you're given a quick introduction to every character with more than a line or two at that point in the story except for Tsuruya-san and Kunikida. And whatever is still missing at that point will be demonstrated well enough later in the story by Kyon's character interactions.

Funny, is it only me, or does the Yuki from the teasers look... genuinely sad? I mean, she's obviously not smiling or anything - that's her facial gimmick, after all - but her mouth curves slightly like an arc, unlike in the usual blank stares she gives. I did read Disappearance, but it's been a while and I do not remember her looking particularly like this.
They couldn't possibly be working the "sad girls in snow (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SnowMeansLove)" angle, could they? KyoAni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanon)? Nawwww...

[ac195]

They couldn't possibly be working the "sad girls in snow (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SnowMeansLove)" angle, could they? KyoAni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanon)? Nawwww...

Uguu ~ So mean...
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[VentAileron]

You know, even though I'm usually really skeptical about all sorts of announcements, I really have high hopes for this one. Maybe it's that KyoAni never really let me down or Haruhi itself is just too good to be true anyway, haha.

I'll just patiently wait till the DVDs come out and try not to spoiler myself with bad footage of the movie while doing so. To be honest, I prefer a movie above separate episodes. My reason? No idea, while thinking about a Haruhi movie or a few episodes of the same story arc, I feel more comfortable with the movie.

Anyone already drooling all over the 'Yuki' poster? Her hair is like...wow.

[chinaboat]

...And they're also deliberately trying to tell other viewers all the reasons why they too should feel the same way, even though there's no reason to believe that anyone else would share their personal tastes and preferences that closely. "It's all about me" isn't just an arrogant statement, it's a lifestyle for most of the Internet. :heh:

Anyway, sarcasm/cynicism aside, this is the proverbial song that never ends, so we should probably try to refocus our attention on the movie itself... granted that there isn't too much more to discuss until the next bit of information is released.

A reason I enjoy posting to this forum is there is a basic level of civility. More than once, when I've asked a question, I've received a well thought out answer from someone who's strongly disagreed with me on other issues. Another reason is the feeling I receive knowing that even though no one's specifically responded, the brilliance of my logic even when it's obvious I don't know what I'm talking about is universally accepted. (it's an internet thing<grin>)

Since, as RF has said, there won't be too much to talk about for awhile everyone have a nice Thanksgiving (Canada, Japan, USA) and thanks for the entertaining posts.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Which just to show those people are just plain arrogant. KyoAni doesn't even know they exist, why would KyoAni wrong them?

It's all about people thinking they are far more important than they actually are.

Yes the whole "trolling" thing always has been rather stupid, but that's what seems to make popular discussion these days.

[bayoab]

You do not, i repeat, NEVER INTENTIONALLY DO ANYTHING IN BUSINESS LIKE "DOING SOMETHING ANNOYING TO SEE IF YOUR CUSTOMER GETS ANGRY".
There might be art mistakes, producing mistakes, advertisment mistakes, intentional silence, careful (or not so much) work with hype, but never doing LOL RANDOM SO FUNNY things. That's ridiculous and I'm goddamn tired of those claims.
There are documented cases of the production committees saying screw it all and doing whatever they wanted.

[VentAileron]

But if you're making something you enjoy making, do you make it how you want it or do you make it how others want it? ;)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

That largely depends on the reason you're making it...

[Daniel Lind]

There are documented cases of the production committees saying screw it all and doing whatever they wanted.
Still doesn't warrant a troll label because for all we know, everything went exactly as intended.

[Solachinx]

lol, Daniel got pissed.

People get offended over different things: for some it's speaking patterns, race, or dead baby comedy, for others it's some cartoon in Japan that they won't even remember 10 years from now. I, personally, never get offended about anything because in most cases you can't change it.

I think troll is a stupid word other than when talking about the internet cliques. The reason Kadokawa did nice boat was because of a last minute feature (I presume the subs); the reason that Disappearence ads all but stopped except for small trickles was because they decided to do a movie and a reairing to remind muggles what happened so far; the reason E8 was drawn out was to either waste time, try different artstyles, or for symbolism; and the reason they're making Disappearence a movie is so they can make more money.

People that are true artists don't dick around for the hell of it or for teh lulz, they always have a reason.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

People that are true artists don't dick around for the hell of it or for teh lulz, they always have a reason.

Indeed.
One of the most common "troll" comments around in the last few months is the supposed idea that KyoAni/Kadokawa was trying to "destroy" the Haruhi franchise to spite the people doing the complaining.

The very fact that KyoAni is making a full movie on Haruhi showed how stupid that idea was.

[-Sho-]

So the movie will be released in Spring ow . So we can wait 1 year more to get a sub if it's like Naruto , Bleach etc ... movies .

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So the movie will be released in Spring ow . So we can wait 1 year more to get a sub if it's like Naruto , Bleach etc ... movies .

Or you can do what some people already do, and just have the novel translations ready.

This is the peculiar thing with being faithful to the source; we have the translation before the actual product is even out.:heh:

[Siggrodoth]

I am getting the torrent of the camera rip as soon as it comes out. No year- or six-month waiting time for me. After all, if one's already read the book, the story will still make sense even if it's all in Japanese without subtitles.

[AmyElizzabeth]

But what if they change/add/subtract things?

[Daniel Lind]

But what if they change/add/subtract things?
They have been ...generally... keeping close to source material.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

But what if they change/add/subtract things?

Extremely unlikely.
Seriously, if you have seen every Haruhi episode, you would have noticed that changes were minimal. At the very least, most of the important events necessary for understanding the plot would be unchanged.

Kyoto Animation is a little insane in that regard.

[Myssa Rei]

But what if they change/add/subtract things?

Very possible, as in my experience with movies is there's the 'Theater' version, and a 'Director's Cut', the latter of which is usually longer than the former, as it includes the cut scenes that never made the theatrical release.

I'd cite Watchmen, but I think Rebuild of EVA 1.11 is a better example as far as anime movies go, with WAY better lighting than 1.00 (seriously, many scenes were just walls of shadow), CGI EVAs that don't stand out like sore thumbs (they were laughable in 1.00), and additional scenes.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

This is KyoAni we're talking about... the only thing that's likely to be dropped is Kyon's narration.

[Apache Thunder]

It's just not a Haruhi movie/TV episode without Kyon's narration. I don't see Kyoni dropping that. It would be a pretty dumb move on their part if they did. :P

[Joe4evr]

This is KyoAni we're talking about... the only thing that's likely to be dropped is Kyon's narration.But, but... the snark...?

Also, I lol'd at one post starting with 'Extremely unlikely.' and the next with 'Very possible'.:heh:

And besides, if KyoAni makes some changes, it'll most likely be a necessary transition. Like they did with Day of Sagitarius, which otherwise would've been EXTREMELY boring to watch.

[Triple_R]

This is KyoAni we're talking about... the only thing that's likely to be dropped is Kyon's narration.

I agree with this. My experience in comparing novel to anime is that dialogue is virtually identical, but about 25 to 50% of Kyon narration is dropped. So... knowing the English Novel 4 really would be enough to follow a raw movie, in all likelihood. Not that I personally plan to watch it that way (I'll probably wait for the sub, honestly), but I can see somebody taking that approach.

[quigonkenny]

Don't forget the likely possibility of an American (albeit limited) theatrical release of the movie. Haruhi may not have the numerical following of some franchises that have gone the US release route (Bleach, Bebop), but you can bet that if there's a theatrical release in The States, even if it's only subbed, a much higher percentage of the fans will flock to see it than with other franchises.

Of course, I'll have already seen it well before then, as I'll be DLing the RAW the minute it hits the nearest torrent site... ^_^

[Siggrodoth]

Don't forget the likely possibility of an American (albeit limited) theatrical release of the movie. Haruhi may not have the numerical following of some franchises that have gone the US release route (Bleach, Bebop), but you can bet that if there's a theatrical release in The States, even if it's only subbed, a much higher percentage of the fans will flock to see it than with other franchises.

Of course, I'll have already seen it well before then, as I'll be DLing the RAW the minute it hits the nearest torrent site... ^_^

If it is distributed by Fathom (which distributed the Death Note movies) I am going to every show in my area. The bad news is, considering the time they take for distribution, we'd be seeing it here around 2011/2012.

[bayoab]

Very possible, as in my experience with movies is there's the 'Theater' version, and a 'Director's Cut', the latter of which is usually longer than the former, as it includes the cut scenes that never made the theatrical release.

I'd cite Watchmen, but I think Rebuild of EVA 1.11 is a better example as far as anime movies go, with WAY better lighting than 1.00 (seriously, many scenes were just walls of shadow), CGI EVAs that don't stand out like sore thumbs (they were laughable in 1.00), and additional scenes.I'd actually be more worried that Kadokawa would intentionally do something like Eva and have multiple versions of disappearance beside the typical movie and DVD clean up versions.

If it is distributed by Fathom (which distributed the Death Note movies) I am going to every show in my area. The bad news is, considering the time they take for distribution, we'd be seeing it here around 2011/2012.Actually, it's completely possible we could see it hitting theaters about the time the DVD hits stores in Japan. The ball is really in Kadokawa's court, but it's completely possible we get it while it is still in the theaters in Japan or just after the R2 dvd hits (with our own DVD 3-4 months after).

[Ithekro]

The Intrigue's prologue would probably stay in whatever followup season they decide to make. It will give them an excuse to reuse movie scenes and tie the movie into the TV series. Though knowing KyoAni...they'll just remake the scenes fresh in whatever style of the day they are using.

The characters will be easily introduced at the beginnning as they are in about all the full length light novels.

For translations...I don't know about the other franchises, by the Haruhiist are crazy (awesome) at getting things done. Also consider this...Haruhi-chan came out subbed into English via Kodokawa itself...at about the same time as the normal Youtube episodes came out. This suggests that they are aware of the English language fanbase. What they do about it...who knows. But we'll find out.

[Tensei]

The Intrigue's prologue would probably stay in whatever followup season they decide to make. It will give them an excuse to reuse movie scenes and tie the movie into the TV series. Though knowing KyoAni...they'll just remake the scenes fresh in whatever style of the day they are using.

The characters will be easily introduced at the beginnning as they are in about all the full length light novels.

For translations...I don't know about the other franchises, by the Haruhiist are crazy (awesome) at getting things done. Also consider this...Haruhi-chan came out subbed into English via Kodokawa itself...at about the same time as the normal Youtube episodes came out. This suggests that they are aware of the English language fanbase. What they do about it...who knows. But we'll find out.

well, now that i think about it, the place where i used to buy some Japanese goods has The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi 4 - Sasa no Ha Rhapsody as having English subtitles, but as being a Region 2 DVD, so who knows......has anyone here ordered the DVDs for the re-run yet?if so, can you prove this?

[ultimatemegax]

well, now that i think about it, the place where i used to buy some Japanese goods has The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi 4 - Sasa no Ha Rhapsody as having English subtitles, but as being a Region 2 DVD, so who knows......has anyone here ordered the DVDs for the re-run yet?if so, can you prove this?

I have both the Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody and Endless Eight I + II DVDs and I can confirm that both have English subtitles for the episodes. None of the special features have the subtitles.

[Ithekro]

Crazy (awesome) Haruhiists indeed.

While the fanbase might have to wait for the movie's DVD to be released...they might come with subs already. And that's not to say that someone won't try to sub a version of the movie before that.

[Tensei]

Then if they put subtitles into the movie DVD, all we'll need is a DVD player that can play Region 2 DVDs:heh:

[FlashFumo]

Then if they put subtitles into the movie DVD, all we'll need is a DVD player that can play Region 2 DVDs:heh:

I live in Europe, so I'm already all set. ;)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I live in Europe, so I'm already all set. ;)

And DVD player regioning is illegal in Australia, so I am all set as well.
(But I still need a Digital TV. My current TV is so much worse than my computer monitor it's not funny.)

[Tensei]

And DVD player regioning is illegal in Australia, so I am all set as well.


wait, what? do explain please.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

wait, what? do explain please.

Well, not quite "illegal", but Australian government considers regioning for both DVDs/Blurays and games as anti-competitive. So even though regioning itself isn't yet outlawed, it is 100% legal to mod-chip your game console and have multi-region DVD/bluray players.

This was caused by a case where a gamer was sued for modchipping his game console. When told that the gamer accused actually use it to play imported games he paid for, the Judge threw out the case.

Australia is serious about maintaining healthy commercial competition. Regioning, which restricts the consumer from choosing imports of the same product, is thus not legally protected.
Anyway, I wonder if KyoAni might start using English subtitles more often? They know there is a small market outside Japan that would pay JP prices for the discs, and as long as it doesn't cost them too much to put in subs I don't see why they can't tap into the Western market slightly.
Obviously the price difference means they can't fully compete with Region 1 DVDs, but as long as it turns a profit, why not?

[Raiga]

This was caused by a case where a gamer was sued for modchipping his game console. When told that the gamer accused actually use it to play imported games he paid for, the Judge threw out the case.

Australia is serious about maintaining healthy commercial competition. Regioning, which restricts the consumer from choosing imports of the same product, is thus not legally protected.

That judge is my hero. Too bad I don't live in Australia...

I look forward to this movie with moderate anticipation and healthy skepticism, thus I hope to be pleasantly surprised but won't feel crushed if disappointed. I think that's about the safest outlook one can take at this point...

[relentlessflame]

Anyway, I wonder if KyoAni might start using English subtitles more often? They know there is a small market outside Japan that would pay JP prices for the discs, and as long as it doesn't cost them too much to put in subs I don't see why they can't tap into the Western market slightly.
Obviously the price difference means they can't fully compete with Region 1 DVDs, but as long as it turns a profit, why not?Well, it isn't really Kyoto Animation's doing at all, but I think it makes sense for publishers to do this for a show like Haruhi where they know that there's an International audience that's passionate enough about the show to appreciate the gesture. For most of the shows I buy on Japanese DVD/BD, I think I'd be hard-pressed to make the business case, since I can't exactly see it resulting in a significant increase in sales. I think the case is a little bit stronger on Blu-Ray, though, since Japan and the U.S. are in the same region (and many shows are region-free anyway), so I would certainly like to see more publishers go this route. Time will tell, though... I'm not holding my breath.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well, it isn't really Kyoto Animation's doing at all, but I think it makes sense for publishers to do this for a show like Haruhi where they know that there's an International audience that's passionate enough about the show to appreciate the gesture. For most of the shows I buy on Japanese DVD/BD, I think I'd be hard-pressed to make the business case, since I can't exactly see it resulting in a significant increase in sales. I think the case is a little bit stronger on Blu-Ray, though, since Japan and the U.S. are in the same region (and many shows are region-free anyway), so I would certainly like to see more publishers go this route. Time will tell, though... I'm not holding my breath.

So far only Bandai and Gonzo seem to be offering that. I think only the really big publishers can afford it. One of those is Kadokawa Shoten which has it's own Youtube channel, but of course being the insanely marketing oriented company that it is they've mainly used it for advertising and music videoish/advertising clips. The erogeish trailer for the movie is already up there.



People that are true artists don't dick around for the hell of it or for teh lulz, they always have a reason.

What would you define as a "true artist"? I still think the simplest explanation is that they really though they were being clever with all the gimmicks and such and have come to realize that well.....the response was lukewarm at best.

[Dr. Casey]

What would you define as a "true artist"?

Nagaru Tanigawa.

[Ascaloth]

Oh boy, how the hell did I miss this? School work must have been getting to me at last. Or maybe it's the new relationship distracting me. :heh:

Nevertheless, great news, and just as I thought they'd do it too! Looking forward to it mightily. :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

Nagaru Tanigawa.

I'm trying to think of a way to say this without sounding condescending, but Tanigawa is an entertainer of otaku long before he's a true artist.

I have to wonder at the polar opposite positions that some people can have while ironically aiming at the same goal of defending this series. One group will say that it's art and that's the reason behind the whole Endless Eight idea while another will say that it's just trying to be entertaining and thus people shouldn't get upset when it's marketed so aggressively and or doesn't live up to one's standards. Neither of them make much sense to me personally which is why I still go with the idea that they thought people in the west would all get on the bandwagon no matter what they did with the franchise, which was a reasonable expectation a few years ago during the peak of the franchises popularity, but as has been seen doesn't really work now.

There are getting to be less and less guarantees in the industry now on many levels which means things are probably going to start changing soon. I hope it's for the better and that things start getting less otaku-centric as has been the trend for a while now. I agree that a good start is to try and reach out more to the west again instead of giving the impression that they consider it a lost cause. Namco Bandai I think has the best ideas so far in that regard with the simulcasting and consistently strong presence at North American anime conventions. Some easy/west mergers probably wouldn't be a bad idea either. Perhaps Bandai could partner up with Funimation in the mutual interest of saving the North American regions viability as a market.

Anyway that's a lot to say for just a name drop, but I'm in a bit of thinking mood tonight so that's my splurge of text.

[Triple_R]

I'm trying to think of a way to say this without sounding condescending, but Tanigawa is an entertainer of otaku long before he's a true artist.

I'm only familiar with some of his Haruhi work, but I was genuinely impressed with his Novel 4 work. Significantly less so with Novel 2, though, where he kind of overdid Haruhi and Kyon's negative character aspects, I think. The anime genuinely improved on the novel here, imo.

However, Novel 4 is a very nice, tight, short read. Now, it's no Citizen Kane, but I felt it was a solid story that did a great job with the genre of sci-fi teenage drama. I still maintain that it's an awesome book for early-to-mid teens that are into sci-fi; I would have loved it when I was a Star Trek: TNG fan back in the early 90s as a Junior High student. At my current age, I like it a fair bit, but I can tell I would have liked it even more as a kid.

What impresses me the most about Tanigawa is how good he is with handling plots, especially given how big a part time travel plays in Haruhi. I also like some of the quirky little stuff, like having Haruhi humming classical music of all things. :heh:




I have to wonder at the polar opposite positions that some people can have while ironically aiming at the same goal of defending this series. One group will say that it's art and that's the reason behind the whole Endless Eight idea while another will say that it's just trying to be entertaining and thus people shouldn't get upset when it's marketed so aggressively and or doesn't live up to one's standards. Neither of them make much sense to me personally which is why I still go with the idea that they thought people in the west would all get on the bandwagon no matter what they did with the franchise, which was a reasonable expectation a few years ago during the peak of the franchises popularity, but as has been seen doesn't really work now.

I think that they did overestimate the fanbase's willingness to accept virtually any sort of new Haruhi episodes. Now, it wasn't a "troll"; they really did think that the fans would like it or at least accept it with a slight smile.




There are getting to be less and less guarantees in the industry now on many levels which means things are probably going to start changing soon. I hope it's for the better and that things start getting less otaku-centric as has been the trend for a while now. I agree that a good start is to try and reach out more to the west again instead of giving the impression that they consider it a lost cause. Namco Bandai I think has the best ideas so far in that regard with the simulcasting and consistently strong presence at North American anime conventions. Some easy/west mergers probably wouldn't be a bad idea either. Perhaps Bandai could partner up with Funimation in the mutual interest of saving the North American regions viability as a market.

Anyway that's a lot to say for just a name drop, but I'm in a bit of thinking mood tonight so that's my splurge of text.

Huge agreement with you here Kaoshin. I completely agree with all of this. :)

[bayoab]

Anyway, I wonder if KyoAni might start using English subtitles more often?
This has nothing to do with Kyoani and everything to do with Kadokawa.

[relentlessflame]

I think that they did overestimate the fanbase's willingness to accept virtually any sort of new Haruhi episodes. Now, it wasn't a "troll"; they really did think that the fans would like it or at least accept it with a slight smile.As I said before, this is the discussion that people just won't let die, and really doesn't have its place in the Movie thread. But I will say that I'm wholly convinced that it was designed to provoke. Then again, so is all anime. Food for thought.

Anyway, for this thread, let's try to stay focused.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It's just not a Haruhi movie/TV episode without Kyon's narration. I don't see Kyoni dropping that. It would be a pretty dumb move on their part if they did. :P

I think you're mistaking his narration and his thoughts for one another. While they do mix from time to time, the narration is almost always absent from the anime, save a few monologues in Melancholy and... well, the entirety of Episode 00. :heh:

[Kid Ying]

I only heard of it today(i haven't watched Haruhi since the end of sighs). Man, this is going to be totally awesome. Movies = Win. Bigged budget, better animation, better everything(well... Hopefully). Besides, it's a nice way to show disappearance after so much waiting.