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monir

2009-10-22, 15:10

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monir

2009-10-22, 15:45

So if I thought this Hino Satoshi could not become any less likable, he proved me wrong in the episode. I want to bleach my brain. Curse you Shuffling item. Now I can't forget the blushing, tsundere Yuji saying, "urusai urusai urusai." Episode was funny for all the wrong reason.

So where are the crazed Shana fans? Shinji? Relentless?

Some screens:

http://a.imagehost.org/t/0510/thumbs20091022164319_png.jpg (http://a.imagehost.org/view/0510/thumbs20091022164319_png)

Mai Kawasumi

2009-10-22, 15:56

This is the first time...
that I am angry with Chigusa

Overall, excellent ova, funny and all

Spazthemax

2009-10-22, 19:25

Are there subs anywhere yet? I've been looking forward to this, but I want to know exactly what's going on when I watch it.

Rising Dragon

2009-10-22, 19:46

... okay if the OVA's come out, that means I procrastinated finishing season 2 for far too long. Time to get started on that...

darktruth

2009-10-22, 21:31

I expected the raw would be out on the day of its release lol, downloading the blu-ray rip raw even though my CDJapan order of the OVA DVD version shipped this morning XD cos I'm impatient. Looking forward to watching the "New Shakugan no Shanatan" special off this OVA when I receive the DVD provided if the raw of that doesn't come out before I receive it.

Full Metal Coast

2009-10-22, 21:34

... okay if the OVA's come out, that means I procrastinated finishing season 2 for far too long. Time to get started on that...

you took the words right out of my mouth. damm ive got so many series now i have to catch up on.

Rising Dragon

2009-10-22, 21:57

My excuse is that I got to episode 6 or so before my brother killed my computer. I redownloaded it all, but I've yet to watch it due to other priorities... gotta make it a priority now, though.

serenade_beta

2009-10-22, 22:50

A hilarious episode. :heh: Hino-san's okama voice... :heh:

...! Yuuji... BAKAYAROUUUUUU!! What a perfect chance! A situation any otaku would want to experience once! And you didn't do anything?! Ahah~?! At least... *mumble* *mumble* Bathro-... *mumble* look at ow- *mumble*
There was a G mini-Shana bonus, but Ike... :heh: It's hard to take him seriously in the real story too now.

Though, hmm... Friagne... really nostalgic.

The OP... was, for a Shana OP, kind of boring (the song is good though). I guess since it is an OVA, they don't really have enough material to put some fighting in the OP?
ED... Glad they won the trophy. :)

shaolinx

2009-10-22, 23:57

That was a great episode! Season2 was kinda mediocre, but after watching this, it makes me want another season.

Maybe we can finally get a resolution to the love triangle in this ova :D

Strange

2009-10-23, 00:49

That was a great episode! Season2 was kinda mediocre, but after watching this, it makes me want another season.

Maybe we can finally get a resolution to the love triangle in this ova :D

Not a chance, it'll end with Yuji staring out into the sunset with no decision at all.

Hilarious episode.

Rising Dragon

2009-10-23, 00:51

Yeah, there's not gonna be any resolution until the third season.

MeoTwister5

2009-10-23, 03:42

Subs are out. File's kinda huge though...

Shiroth

2009-10-23, 04:24

Subs are out. File's kinda huge though...
The none blu-ray torrent isn't.

We've seen the body-swap formula being used a lot over the years, though i never get bored of it. That episode was hilarious, mainly to see Yuuji act so female. :heh:

darktruth

2009-10-23, 05:00

Finished watching the Reshuffle raw.

Who knew Yuji's body was so weak to handle ice-cream? XD. In terms of story, there wasn't really anything much to talk about, though there are some funny scenes like Yuji & Shana heading to the school thinking no one would be there on a Sunday and running into Oga-chan's volleyball team changing. The OVA's are supposed to delve or explore into the characters of Yuji and Shana but this OVA didn't really do anything like that so I guess the future OVA's probably will. I found it pretty average to be honest, just pure light-hearted fluff to kill some time. Other than that, I'm happy to at least see some new Shana.

P.S. LOL @ Wilhelmina finishing the burger meal in a matter of 5 seconds.

MeoTwister5

2009-10-23, 05:13

You know what's the irony in all of this?

By switching bodies, Yuji's body is actually a bit more male and Shana's body a bit more effeminate, when it should have been the other way around. Or maybe not, since Yuji's such a girl and Shana's such a tomboy.

Go figure.:eyespin:

-Sho-

2009-10-23, 06:46

Great OAV !

Shana and Yuji are back yeah !!!
Hilarious episode !
Yuji(Shana) Shut up x 3 ahah
and Shana (Yuji) Shut up x 3 was hilarious !
They were cute !
Like Shana's clothes ^^
And as always the OP and ED are great !

jho

2009-10-23, 09:59

This was my favorite episode of the entire series. I think a big part of that is all the time I invested in the story up to this point. And then to make an episode like this, I don't remember the last time I laughed so hard recently, fantastic ova.

elroid

2009-10-23, 12:36

Finished watching the Reshuffle raw.

Who knew Yuji's body was so weak to handle ice-cream? XD.
P.S. LOL @ Wilhelmina finishing the burger meal in a matter of 5 seconds.

lol, i actually kinda sympathize Yuji for that because Shana ate about 20~30 ice creams.
yeah, i laughed at the part Wilhelmina finished the meal and to meet with them too XD

This OVA sure is relaxing to watch. But i like the Shanatan more. There quite some amount of parody of other anime or dramas such as hayate,toradora, and even direct appearance of Index lol:)

SwiftStrike

2009-10-23, 13:29

lol a good start back into Shana.
great OP/ED from Mami Kawada as usual..

Noe

2009-10-23, 16:29

The first ep was pretty good. Great OP + ED songs as usual.

Raiga

2009-10-23, 16:34

Body switching situations are always ripe for comedy. XD Yuuji imitating Shana's catchphrase was hilarious.

Shana laughing at the end was probably the highlight ten seconds of this OVA ep for me. And the melonpan reward at the end... ahaha Wilhelmina...

FlareKnight

2009-10-23, 17:33

Well it was alright. Personally never was that big with the body swapping episodes. Still some good moments in here though. Oddly I think the best ones were all around Wilhelmina. Was just great how she quickly ate the meal in order to rush out and then the mental shut down after the "I love you." :heh:

A tough time for Yuuji's body though. I mean damn Shana sure packed it away. Really he should have known that wouldn't be good and done something to stop her earlier. Too bad he got so worried about it.

Overall not bad.

Shinji103

2009-10-24, 04:44

FFrank227

2009-10-24, 12:58

That was a great episode. :D

minhtam1638

2009-10-24, 14:55

Loved the episode. A nice little comedy shop while we wait for season 3.

What I don't get though, is why we have ShanaxWilhelmina in the ED when the episode was clearly fully of ShanaxYuuji signs. That ended up feeling awkward and throwing the mood off quite a bit.

Really? Because I kind of actually got the point of the episode. It was just the standard everyday life that Shana and Yuji would be doing when there isn't really a major story arc going on. Wilhelmina is around nowadays, so we have to know that Shana is living at the former Yukari Hirai residence rather than Yuji's room. It's just a typicality.

Shinji103

2009-10-24, 20:40

Really? Because I kind of actually got the point of the episode. It was just the standard everyday life that Shana and Yuji would be doing when there isn't really a major story arc going on. Wilhelmina is around nowadays, so we have to know that Shana is living at the former Yukari Hirai residence rather than Yuji's room. It's just a typicality.:dots: Errrrm, I never said the point of the episode was ShanaxYuji, but they clearly shined here. Then they throw a "Wilhelmina, daisuki" hug at the end, and it feels rather awkward.

Raiga

2009-10-24, 20:48

I dunno, I always saw Wilhelmina sort of as the awkward stepmom to Shana... or something like that. I.e. perfectly platonic daisuki. :D

Shinji103

2009-10-24, 20:55

I dunno, I always saw Wilhelmina sort of as the awkward stepmom to Shana... or something like that. I.e. perfectly platonic daisuki. :DOh yeah, I agree, "Wilhelmina daisuki" and ShanaxYuuji just don't blend that well in one episode like this, for........various reasons..............

First and foremost being that Wilhelmina would probably kill Yuuji before letting anything special happen between him and Shana. :heh:

rurupeceaue

2009-10-25, 01:26

Oh yeah, I agree, "Wilhelmina daisuki" and ShanaxYuuji just don't blend that well in one episode like this, for........various reasons..............

First and foremost being that Wilhelmina would probably kill Yuuji before letting anything special happen between him and Shana. :heh:
Probably one of the reasons why Alastor told them that they should take extra precaution in telling Wilhelmina :heh:
Honestly, Wilhelmina's motherly instinct is more like that of a protective-father-ish :heh:

Body switching situations are always ripe for comedy. XD Yuuji imitating Shana's catchphrase was hilarious.

Favourite scene in the whole episode. It's like giving a whole new flavor of cuteness to her usual (spicy) catchphrase :D

Spectacular_Insanity

2009-10-25, 01:35

Haha, I was laughing the whole time. It was worth watching to just hear Yuuji say "Urusai urusai urusai!"

Seriously, hearing Shana talk like a boy and Yuuji talk like a girl was hilarious. :heh:

musume_no_hoshi

2009-10-25, 08:08

KugiRie acting as Yuuji saying 'Urusai! Urusai! Urusai' is absolutely adorable in a weird way. I never really hard Satoshi Hino voicing a tsundere, it's quite interesting.

Can a necklace produce sweat and have sweatdrops? :uhoh:

Race

2009-10-25, 14:42

This was a great episode imo. Shana laughing at the end was too cute..

Has anyone else noticed the thing with Shana's shoes during the school scene? She was in red high heels for the whole episode, but during the scene where they are running up the stairs at school (right before they bust in on the volley ball team changing) she is shown wearing grey flats..

Just something I noticed.

pigoz

2009-10-25, 14:50

I'm glad I heard "URUSAI!URUSAI!URUSAI!" again, I kind of missed my loli shana :)

Raiga

2009-10-25, 15:48

Guardian Enzo

2009-10-25, 23:55

Kugimiya Rie's Yuuji-in-Shana voice morphed into her Alphonse voice a few times there.

rurupeceaue

2009-10-26, 08:30

Kugimiya Rie's Yuuji-in-Shana voice morphed into her Alphonse voice a few times there.

LOL! I thought Shana sounded funny in the first line, guess I was right :heh:

Game8910

2009-10-26, 19:25

Shana-Yuji was more manly than normal Yuji and Yuji-Shana was more moe than regular Shana...I am disturbed...

Also I added avatars in the other thread

teelotes

2009-10-27, 15:27

Seriously, hearing Shana talk like a boy and Yuuji talk like a girl was hilarious. :heh:

In my opinion it wasn't just the gender swap, but also their personalities that made it so interesting. Seeing Shana suddenly became hesitant and wimpy, while Yuuji turned gar, turned up the comedy factor. :)

The plot pace was also entertaining and the premise was put to good use. Shana was able to tell Wilhelmina how she felt towards her through the unique circumstances, although not directly. I also like the scene where Shana tried to kiss Yuuji; it's exciting to see Yuuji (though not really him) take initiative in that moment. Too bad it wasn't meant to be. :(

Can a necklace produce sweat and have sweatdrops? :uhoh:

Alastor couldn't stand Yuuji's half-hearted urusai. :heh:

Alastor has always been portrayed as a serious, supervising role, dependable even in dire situations, so I didn't like how his anxiety was emphasised with the sweatdrops. I would have expected it to occur in the shana-tan franchise instead. However, given the light-hearted atmosphere, that brief moment that Alastor lost his composure and broke out in sweat blended in well with the flow. It would not be as funny without those visual cues. :)

Archon_Wing

2009-10-28, 01:37

They were strangely appropriate still while switched. Wow. :D Quite a few admittingly cute scenes, especially of Shana. And Prophecy rocks as would be expected for music in a Shana production.

Triple_R

2009-10-28, 08:39

Very clever, cute, and charming episode!

Like Game 8910, I also found Shana-Yuji more manly than normal Yuji, and Yuji-Shana more moe than normal Shana. I guess that this just goes to show that Shana really does have a very tomboy personality... whereas Yuji's personality is a bit feminine in some ways, perhaps.

Shana handled being in Yuji's body better than I thought she would. She seemed to be strictly concerned with making sure Yuji didn't, well, take advantage of his new body. :heh:

Marcus H.

2009-10-28, 09:13

If only Shana didn't take advantage as well when she plans on kissing an unconscious Yuji... :heh:

minhtam1638

2009-10-28, 17:45

KaneDragon

2009-10-28, 20:59

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3492/snapshot20091028211839.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028211839.jpg/)http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3216/snapshot20091028211846.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028211846.jpg/)
What's that, Shana? Is it rape time? :D

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/20/snapshot20091028212002.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028212002.jpg/)
I... I guess so. :uhoh:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/333/snapshot20091028212045.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028212045.jpg/)http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1392/snapshot20091028212014.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028212014.jpg/)
Yuji as Shana: delicious deredere. Shana as Yuji... somewhat repulsive. When she isn't raping Yuji as Shana, I mean.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1992/snapshot20091028212436.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028212436.jpg/)
Confirmed for stripes. Her switching to plain white is surely to blame for the lame love triangle slowness of season 2. Somehow.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5007/snapshot20091028213205.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4018/bleachbarraganskullface.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3034/snapshot20091028213311.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028213311.jpg/)
This is Yuji-Shana's "Oops I just broke Wilhelmina ~de arimasu" face.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/913/snapshot20091028213651.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20091028213651.jpg/)
"No point unless you're yourselves"? Shana, Shana, you just don't get the whole bodyswap thing, do you. Ah well...

coderlan

2009-10-31, 06:24

OMG, I think the art just got better in this OVA...

Mangonel

2009-10-31, 22:49

Well you can't enter the school without changing your shoes. :P

Yeah I dunno, that could either be an animation error or extreme attention to detail...

That would be attention to detail, generally in Japanese style housing/indoors you take your street shoes off at the door and wear slippers/flats. A lot of Japanese schools actually have shoe lockers at the entrance for that reason.

Um, around when in the SnS timeline does this take place? Its been a while since I've watched the series so my memory of what order events happen is kinda foggy.

Raiga

2009-11-01, 02:34

That would be attention to detail, generally in Japanese style housing/indoors you take your street shoes off at the door and wear slippers/flats. A lot of Japanese schools actually have shoe lockers at the entrance for that reason.

Well I know, that's what I was referring to, I just wasn't sure if they'd change their shoes even for something like sneaking in on a weekend to sort through magical items.

alvinkhorfire

2009-11-01, 20:48

Um, around when in the SnS timeline does this take place? Its been a while since I've watched the series so my memory of what order events happen is kinda foggy.

This Reshuffle event should occur around the arrival of Wilhelmina (after the Khamsin arc), which puts it around Episode 20-21 of Season 1, if I am not mistaken. That is why we all have weird feeling seeing Yuji being "wimpy", Shana being so dominant and Wilhelmina being cold toward Yuji. It is because at the end of Season 2, we have seen Yuji being more confident and self-assured, Shana being more girlie (minus triple urasai, unfortunately) and Wilhelmina being more forgiving toward Yuji, albeit a bit reluctantly.

matteas

2009-11-02, 13:56

It was really nice. Idea of body swapping seems like a cliche already, but this time, it was really well done. I don't know if I ever enjoyed it that much. I mean, the body-swapping concept.

btw. Does anybody know if Eclipse are going to fansub it?

minhtam1638

2009-11-02, 18:43

This Reshuffle event should occur around the arrival of Wilhelmina (after the Khamsin arc), which puts it around Episode 20-21 of Season 1, if I am not mistaken. That is why we all have weird feeling seeing Yuji being "wimpy", Shana being so dominant and Wilhelmina being cold toward Yuji. It is because at the end of Season 2, we have seen Yuji being more confident and self-assured, Shana being more girlie (minus triple urasai, unfortunately) and Wilhelmina being more forgiving toward Yuji, albeit a bit reluctantly.

I'm more convinced it's after episode 24 of Season 1, or in other words, after Season 1. I felt that Episodes 17-24 was somewhat too much of a turning point that it had to go into succession of each other, and this episode would have only made sense after everything calmed down and was resolved. So I would put this episode right before the start of Season 2.

alvinkhorfire

2009-11-02, 23:56

I'm more convinced it's after episode 24 of Season 1, or in other words, after Season 1. I felt that Episodes 17-24 was somewhat too much of a turning point that it had to go into succession of each other, and this episode would have only made sense after everything calmed down and was resolved. So I would put this episode right before the start of Season 2.

You do have a point there, minhtam1638 and I respect your opinion. The only definite thing about the exact time of occurence of this Reshuffle event is that it happens after the Khamsin arc. Exactly when, we do not know. It is a side story from Noizi Ito's art story which may not have a direct link to which volume of the novel. For that, different people may interpret the exact time of occurence differently.

Sorry to say that I do not quite agree with you based on the way Wilhelmina spoke to Yuji in this Reshuffle episode. When Shana (in Yuji's body) replies on behalf of Yuji (in Shana's body), Wilhelmina promptly told Shana-Yuji that he should not answer her. Later on, when Shana-Yuji has a small tussle with Wilhelmina, the Wilhelmina fights indicates that she treats Shana-Yuji as some sort of enemy and she almost unleash all of her full strength.

On the other hand, in the Episode 1 of Season 2, Wilhelmina treats Yuji slightly better without any intention of viewing Yuji as an enemy. You could argue with me that the Reshuffle episode occurs just before the Season 2. However, the complete change in the way Wilhelmina treats Yuji could not happen in such a short time before the Season 2. I would say that the change is due to the both occasions Shana saves Yuji in Episode 21 (Season 1) and when the event Shana is thought to be dead in Episode 24 (Season 1).

minhtam1638, on your doubt that this event cannot fit in a series of events in Episodes 17-24, I do somewhat agree with that. For now, the best compromise, I think, would be that the Reshuffle event occurs before Wilhelmina attempts to kill Yuji at the end of the Episode 20. It is just my opinion, though. Feel free to correct my mistakes.

Hisagi_Shuuhei

2009-11-08, 05:25

Does anyone know when the 2nd episode will be out?

It's been like forever!

Raiga

2009-11-08, 13:13

Does anyone know when the 2nd episode will be out?

It's been like forever!

Not for months IIRC. :heh:

velvet nightmare

2009-11-09, 17:03

what's the timeline of the this episode anyways

is this like a side story? or does it continue right after where the last anime ended (which would be christmas?)

Game8910

2009-11-09, 19:15

before season 2, after season 1

Excorsism

2009-11-09, 21:38

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc195/Excorsism/1240169002305.jpg?t=1257820628

Hot diggity damn, can Shana get any more moe? My heart...

knowngni

2009-11-11, 05:28

I want to ask you guys who've watched this but does anyone feel like the subs by eclipse on the OP/ED feel a bit off. Not hating on em or anything cause I love eclipse but it just feels awkward

minhtam1638

2009-11-16, 03:11

I want to ask you guys who've watched this but does anyone feel like the subs by eclipse on the OP/ED feel a bit off. Not hating on em or anything cause I love eclipse but it just feels awkward

Actually, this happened last year with SnS II, 2nd OP. When the 2nd OP was released, Eclipse & Static-Subs had to listen by ear and interpret what the lyrics were, only to find that they were 30% off when the real lyrics of Blaze were released in the discography. They corrected the lyrics by episode 22.

So if we follow this pattern, Eclipse most likely tried to interpret the lyrics by ear, since they didn't have the actual lyrics themselves because it wasn't released yet.

You do have a point there, minhtam1638 and I respect your opinion. The only definite thing about the exact time of occurence of this Reshuffle event is that it happens after the Khamsin arc. Exactly when, we do not know. It is a side story from Noizi Ito's art story which may not have a direct link to which volume of the novel. For that, different people may interpret the exact time of occurence differently.

Sorry to say that I do not quite agree with you based on the way Wilhelmina spoke to Yuji in this Reshuffle episode. When Shana (in Yuji's body) replies on behalf of Yuji (in Shana's body), Wilhelmina promptly told Shana-Yuji that he should not answer her. Later on, when Shana-Yuji has a small tussle with Wilhelmina, the Wilhelmina fights indicates that she treats Shana-Yuji as some sort of enemy and she almost unleash all of her full strength.

On the other hand, in the Episode 1 of Season 2, Wilhelmina treats Yuji slightly better without any intention of viewing Yuji as an enemy. You could argue with me that the Reshuffle episode occurs just before the Season 2. However, the complete change in the way Wilhelmina treats Yuji could not happen in such a short time before the Season 2. I would say that the change is due to the both occasions Shana saves Yuji in Episode 21 (Season 1) and when the event Shana is thought to be dead in Episode 24 (Season 1).

minhtam1638, on your doubt that this event cannot fit in a series of events in Episodes 17-24, I do somewhat agree with that. For now, the best compromise, I think, would be that the Reshuffle event occurs before Wilhelmina attempts to kill Yuji at the end of the Episode 20. It is just my opinion, though. Feel free to correct my mistakes.

There's two problems I have with this theory. First, exactly where did you find anything as remote as a time gap between episode 17-24? As far as I was concerned, there was the Misago festival, Wilhelmina arrived the morning after, then spent one day trying to figure out why Shana was acting the way she was, decided to kill Yuji on the spot that same night, and the bonfire occurred next morning. Second, if you look into Shana's own personality throughout the OVA and try to insert it to 17-24, you'll find that her personality is inconsistent with that of her personality within 20-21, not to mention that Wilhelmina has yet to see Yuji as a useful Mistes by that time. So going by that, it would make more sense to put this OVA after 24 than 20.

And as far as Wilhelmina goes, she already treats Yuji pretty much as an enemy on and off the series, kind of like a mom vs. boyfriend type of deal. I agree that it would make more sense to place this after 20 or 21 based on her personality, but you should also realize that by the end of 24, although she was forced to accept that Yuji is very important to Shana, it doesn't necessarily mean that she would be able to change her attitude toward Yuji.

By my calculations, there were one or two weeks between the end of Season 1 and the beginning of Season 2, so this whole acceptance deal has to take a little bit of time. 20-21 isn't enough time to cover it. You're right, though - this is just a side story based on illustration, so it's true place in the storyline is quite debatable.

Raiga

2009-11-16, 10:39

Actually, this happened last year with SnS II, 2nd OP. When the 2nd OP was released, Eclipse & Static-Subs had to listen by ear and interpret what the lyrics were, only to find that they were 30% off when the real lyrics of Blaze were released in the discography. They corrected the lyrics by episode 22.

So if we follow this pattern, Eclipse most likely tried to interpret the lyrics by ear, since they didn't have the actual lyrics themselves because it wasn't released yet.

In fact, I think this happens all the time, with all sorts of sub groups and all sorts of series. Even songs in your native language are often easy to mishear. When you see the OP and/or ED subs suddenly change, that's when you go, "Oh! The single must have been released." XD