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Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 13:27
Scene starts with the trio (Clare, Helen and Deneve) trying to get as far away from the arc of projectiles. They suddenly felt the presence of enormous Yoki emanating from their front and they saw a small girl (Priscilla?) running from an awakened Alicia.
Scene changes to Mutant Beth attacking Yuma and Cynthia. They are in dire situation and Cynthia told Yuma to run for it. While Cynthia (arm and some leg missing) decides to awaken in an attempt to delay time for Yuma to escape. Yuma rush forward to stop Cynthia. (Oh my goddess please let this be real) - Suddenly from the heavens, Phantom Miria and Galeatea intercepts Beth attacks while Tabitha and Dietrich? (or Miata or someone) attacks mutant Beth from behind.
Scene change back to trio
The trio were hesitant to act due to heat? (dont understand...) Just when awakened Alicia is about to finish off small girl, the Organization retrieval unit tranquillizes Alicia and stopped her movement. The men in Black present questioned the identity of the Trio. The Trio flees and the scene ends with MIB awakening!! - (should be fake :() .
The spoiler from the Chinese site Mosmos posted earlier.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 13:39
Suddenly from the heavens, Phantom Miria and Galeatea intercepts Beth attacks while Tabitha and Dietrich? (or Miata or someone)
How could anyone get confused between Tabitha, Dietrich or Miata? They all look completely different from eachother.
Definitely fake.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 13:42
Well since the previous chapter thread usually dies as soon as the new chapter thread is posted, and since I worked hard making a map and just posted it for Hedgy to see, I'm going to repost the map and message here, so we can discuss until the real spoilers come about.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4296/gonahlmap.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/gonahlmap.jpg/)
Well, I worked on another map to explain the possible location of Gonahl and the path Clare and Raki could've traveled after fleeing Ophelia. Anyway, Clare traveled North to get to Gonahl from some village were she killed a few yoma at. Once at Gonhal, like Hegey says and the scanlation confirms, Clare and Raki flee Ophelia by heading north into a forest. At some point Clare and Raki split up, and according to the translation on One Manga (hope it is right), Clare heads North East and Raki Heads North West. Anyway, North of the Forest is a Mountain Range which I like to think Riful lives in, though she could very well live in the Mountain Range Irene lives in. On the possible path that Raki takes, he has forest to one side, and mountains to the other, and there are probably a few villages on that path the lie between the forest and the mountains.
Anyway, using these instructions from the manga, so far, the map that people said Yagi drew still makes works.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 13:59
Suddenly from the heavens, Phantom Miria and Galeatea intercepts Beth attacks
That SO reminds me of the song titled "Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny" where Chuck Norris descends from the heavens delivering a kick that could shatter bones into the crotch of Indiana Jones.
Anyways, I'm calling it right here, right now, Priscilla saves Clare.
zato_1one
2009-10-29, 14:01
I'm surprised that this chapter discussion is created so early. But that spoiler is 100% fake. :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-29, 14:02
Only thing about Priscilla saving Clare is that it is a bit anticlimactic. I mean then what?
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 14:05
She'll start fighting Raciella and trying to avoid Clare while she goes mad and tries attacking her out of revenge. Idk, it's just something that I'd like to see happening.
I'm surprised that this chapter discussion is created so early. But that spoiler is 100% fake. :heh:
You mean Cyclone got his hopes up of seeing his idol Galatea in leather for nothing? Oh dear, that doesn't sound like it'll go down well...
Well since the previous chapter thread usually dies as soon as the new chapter thread is posted, and since I worked hard making a map and just posted it for Hedgy to see, I'm going to repost the map and message here, so we can discuss until the real spoilers come about.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4296/gonahlmap.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/gonahlmap.jpg/)
Well, I worked on another map to explain the possible location of Gonahl and the path Clare and Raki could've traveled after fleeing Ophelia. Anyway, Clare traveled North to get to Gonahl from some village were she killed a few yoma at. Once at Gonhal, like Hegey says and the scanlation confirms, Clare and Raki flee Ophelia by heading north into a forest. At some point Clare and Raki split up, and according to the translation on One Manga (hope it is right), Clare heads North East and Raki Heads North West. Anyway, North of the Forest is a Mountain Range which I like to think Riful lives in, though she could very well live in the Mountain Range Irene lives in. On the possible path that Raki takes, he has forest to one side, and mountains to the other, and there are probably a few villages on that path the lie between the forest and the mountains.
Anyway, using these instructions from the manga, so far, the map that people said Yagi drew still makes works.
Nice work, Gangsta! Don't worry about the translation. Other 2 editions I have confirm that on OM. Anyway, I think Raki never crossed the mountain range: too risky. Believe me, I know how dangerous it is. :D He might have climbed enough to catch a glimpse of a village from up there. Then he might even have stopped to wait for Claire to reach him. But then, seeing she didn't come, he descended into the plain to head to the village he might have seen.
Thanks for taking the time to translate us the fake spoiler, mosmos. I mean, I hope it is.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 14:51
If anyone's wondering which song I was talking about, here it is:
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Just replace Chuck Norris with Miria, Batman with Clare, Godzilla with Raciella and you have this chapter.
SagaraSouske
2009-10-29, 16:35
I don't know, that spoiler sounds very plausible (except the 3rd part). Most likely just some details are incorrect but the gist of first two scenario/meeting looks real.
Many people think Pris is heading to Racilla. Her meeting an fully awakened Alicia is definitely a possibility. Clare and co running away from round 2 makes equal sense and it is possible that they run into each other.
One of my supposed scenario that Yuma and Cynthia may not die because of Miria and Co show up is basically illustrated here.
I'm surprised that this chapter discussion is created so early. But that spoiler is 100% fake. :heh:
We're only a few days from the beginning of the next month, it's not really that early. I'm sure we'll see some official stuff by next week, and having the thread up early means more time to laugh at fake spoilers and debate about Teresa vs Priscilla for the umpteenth time. ^^
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 16:45
I don't know, that spoiler sounds very plausible (except the 3rd part). Most likely just some details are incorrect but the gist of first two scenario/meeting looks real.
Many people think Pris is heading to Racilla. Her meeting an fully awakened Alicia is definitely a possibility. Clare and co running away from round 2 makes equal sense and it is possible that they run into each other.
One of my supposed scenario that Yuma and Cynthia may not die because of Miria and Co show up is basically illustrated here.
1) What happened to Riful? Where's the resolution behind that?
2) Why would Pris go to Raciella when we don't even know what happened to her to begin with?
Last chapter was messy enough, this chapter doesn't need to make it worse.
We're only a few days from the beginning of the next month, it's not really that early. I'm sure we'll see some official stuff by next week, and having the thread up early means more time to laugh at fake spoilers and debate about Teresa vs Priscilla for the umpteenth time. ^^
Actually, their hasn't been anything on that debate in a very long time :eyespin:
Actually, their hasn't been anything on that debate in a very long time :eyespin:
Shockingly. I was rather pleased that the topic was so focused in last months thread. You guys make me proud..*sniff*....:heh:
*lolz* comm on people give solace a break :heh: If the thread's up later there's complaints and if it's open early there are as well :D
this is paranoid :D :heh: :D
though I agree that spoiler does look fishy :D
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 16:53
Shockingly. I was rather pleased that the topic was so focused in last months thread. You guys make me proud..*sniff*....:heh:
:p:heh:
Focused huh? some people with stronger memories would probably disagree...:heh:
Thank god though this month starts during the weekend instead of smack-dab in the middle of the week; things will be alot simpler this month.
things will be alot simpler this month.
you might wanna wait for what happens next chapter before making such bold claims :heh: :D
MisterJB
2009-10-29, 17:04
1) What happened to Riful? Where's the resolution behind that?
She got killed off-screen.
I don't like the spoilers and I hope they're fake.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:05
you might wanna wait for what happens next chapter before making such bold claims :heh: :D
I'm referring to getting the chapter itself, not the content.
People work more on the weekdays and don't have the time to be here when the chapter comes out, so this month will be alot easier for alot of people, myself included :)
She got killed off-screen.
Hmm, just like Renee? But wait, we don't know if she's really dead.
Off-screen, just like the Raki-battle last chapter.
I don't know about you, but I'm sick of things happening off-screen, wondering what really happened, and wondering if I'll ever get to see them in full glory.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 17:07
*lolz* comm on people give solace a break :heh: If the thread's up later there's complaints and if it's open early there are as well :D
this is paranoid :D :heh: :D
though I agree that spoiler does look fishy :D
It's something called human nature. I don't much care for that though since I've over it. But I digress.
Shrek: Priscilla will have to make an appearance at some point. Perhaps she went to fight her because that's the only way to render the parasites on Raki's shoulder ineffective. We will get an explanation when she does appear, regardless of the circumstances.
She got killed off-screen.
I don't like the spoilers and I hope they're fake.
Well I'd like one of two things to either happen with Riful
1) Forced to team up with Alicia and/or Ghosts
2) Dies horribly
Now then, if she teams up, it would be interesting to see the conversation she'd have with Miria. The oldest female warrior of them all talking to (besides Galatea) probably the oldest of the Ghosts.
MisterJB
2009-10-29, 17:10
Shrek
Lol:heh:
Revan: I gree only with the second option. I don't want Riful anywhere near the heroine worthy of adoration that is Miria.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:12
Shrek: Priscilla will have to make an appearance at some point. Perhaps she went to fight her because that's the only way to render the parasites on Raki's shoulder ineffective. We will get an explanation when she does appear, regardless of the circumstances.
.......Shrek?
http://www.curatormagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/shrek.jpg
I've seen some mispellings before, but no way was this not done in purpose :heh:
I understand your point, but I want an explanation FIRST. I'm sick of surprises and seeing things just happen and never finding out how it happened.
I'm in an ranting mood for some reason :heh:
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MisterJB, that'll never happen, Riful is not a heroine to begin with. By all accounts, she is still technically an "antagonist".
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 17:13
Lol:heh:
Someone had to do it you know :heh:
I'd have to agree with you that Riful isn't gonna ally herself with the ghosts. As much as I like her, she's too much of a control-freak to lower herself to them and ask for help. Besides, she doesn't have time for that, not when there's an awakened abyssal right in front of her who's most likely gonna kill her right on the spot.
.......Shrek?
http://www.curatormagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/shrek.jpg
I've seen some mispellings before, but no way was this not done in purpose :heh:
I understand your point, but I want an explanation FIRST. I'm sick of surprises and seeing things just happen and never finding out how it happened.
I'm in an ranting mood for some reason :heh:
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MisterJB, that'll never happen, Riful is not a heroine to begin with. By all accounts, she is still technically an "antagonist".
Yep, that was deliberate. What're you gonna do about it? http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj188/Freedan_269/hm.png
If you want an explanation first, who do you want it from? Priscilla's the only person who can explain to the ghosts what happened. I doubt Raki's going to tell anything to the Black Black Club anytime soon, if they're even aware of Priscilla being with him at all. He won't tell nothin' until the ghosts get to him, and there's a much better chance of Priscilla meeting them first instead of Raki. On the other hand, if Priscilla just shows up again to get Raki away from the BBC, that would just be stupid. She disappears somewhere and comes back without a good reason? That's something I don't want to see.
@Yoko Takeo... So does Will Rogers = Rubel? :p He might just be the over all winner :heh:
Edit: I messed up here I meant Fred Rogers (aka mr rogers)
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I kinda want this spoiler to be true as stupid as it sounds at points. Because it means the foolish MiB is awakening next to Priscilla! :heh: Good Luck, Fools! For your sake, I hope you don't mention Raki or decide to eat the girl... :p Bets on the winner anyone? :heh::heh:
As to Cynthia, I hope Galatea reverses the awakening so we can finally have a new partially awakened Claymore... Plus awakening yourself on a suicide run to save your friend http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9729/omges1.png HOW NOBEL OF YOU CYNTHIA! http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5779/x31pt9.gif Cynthia will shoot up in my rankings of my favorite Claymore, if true.
Not to mention Galatea arriving and finally telling us what she senses. I've been wanting her take on the destroyer for some time. Plus it make sense that Galatea be there when Clare see Priscilla again, she is the only warrior alive (besides possibly Irene... who knows of Clare's desire to slay Priscilla).
Well... time will tell if this is true. Can't get my hopes up. Also good points were brought up against this spoiler too... like what happened to Riful?
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:16
Someone had to do it you know :heh:
I'd have to agree with you that Riful isn't gonna ally herself with the ghosts. As much as I like her, she's too much of a control-freak to lower herself to them and ask for help. Besides, she doesn't have time for that, not when there's an awakened abyssal right in front of her who's most likely gonna kill her right on the spot.
So it was on purpose then?
Maybe I should just start calling you Yoko Ono and going "oops" :heh: :D XDXDXD
Anyways, it's much more then that. Riful's reputation, who she is, what she wants....she's just too different, responsible for too many things and to put it simply, the Ghosts will have to both put up with and forgive alot of things Riful did if they will fight together. It looks like Raciella won't be joining the Ghosts after all like I originally believed, but even for someone on Riful's level, it's just not worth it.
And before any of you think the spoiler is good, let me ask you something: An MiB...Awakening?
What.on.Earth.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 17:17
Shrek, check my edit :D
@Yoko Takeo... So does Will Rogers = Rubel? :p He might just be the over all winner :heh:
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I kinda want this spoiler to be true as stupid as it sounds at points. Because it means the foolish MiB is awakening next to Priscilla! :heh: Good Luck, Fools! For your sake, I hope you don't mention Raki or decide to eat the girl... :p Bets on the winner anyone? :heh::heh:
As to Cynthia, I hope Galatea reverses the awakening so we can finally have a new partially awakened Claymore... Plus awakening yourself on a suicide run to save your friend http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9729/omges1.png HOW NOBEL OF YOU CYNTHIA! http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5779/x31pt9.gif Cynthia will shoot up in my rankings of my favorite Claymore, if true.
Not to mention Galatea arriving and finally telling us what she senses. I've been wanting her take on the destroyer for some time. Plus it make sense that Galatea be there when Clare see Priscilla again, she is the only warrior alive (besides possibly Irene... who knows of Clare's desire to slay Priscilla).
Well... time will tell if this is true. Can't get my hopes up. Also good points were brought up against this spoiler too... like what happened to Riful?
Mr. Rogers for Rubel? Idk about that, Mr. Rogers is too good to be him :heh:
If Galatea comes in, so should Miria. The way I see it, they're the only ones along with Priscilla who can be of help to the people already there.
MisterJB
2009-10-29, 17:20
MisterJB, that'll never happen, Riful is not a heroine to begin with. By all accounts, she is still technically an "antagonist".
I guess I made some mistake. I meant that I don't want Riful anywhere near Miria. Riful migth contaminate the Goddess with FAILURE.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-29, 17:23
i was the first (and probably only) to misspell shiek as....
SHRIEK !!!
shiek SHRIEKS like a....banshee !!!
(j/k)
or
SHRIEK=a common item in many RPGs, that i think (if my memory serves) cures mute status
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:25
Yep, that was deliberate. What're you gonna do about it?
If you want an explanation first, who do you want it from? Priscilla's the only person who can explain to the ghosts what happened. I doubt Raki's going to tell anything to the Black Black Club anytime soon, if they're even aware of Priscilla being with him at all. He won't tell nothin' until the ghosts get to him, and there's a much better chance of Priscilla meeting them first instead of Raki. On the other hand, if Priscilla just shows up again to get Raki away from the BBC, that would just be stupid. She disappears somewhere and comes back without a good reason? That's something I don't want to see.
Well, since we don't know what happened in that battle to begin with, who knows. Maybe Raki told Priscilla to hide and not fight for fear of her awakening which he doesn't want. Remember, he's trying to keep her out of combat as much as possible.
The idea of her hiding and coming back to rescue him when they take him is plausible.
The idea of her running off to fight Raciella seems rushed to me.
Mr. Rogers for Rubel? Idk about that, Mr. Rogers is too good to be him :heh:
:upset: Sorry I messed up... I meant Fred Rogers (aka mr rogers) :(
There was a urban legend that says he was a sniper in Vietnam with tons of confirmed kills. Not to mention how he treated the crew of his show... :upset: However it is false... and just an Urban Legend.
Hence why he was in the video
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 17:37
Well, since we don't know what happened in that battle to begin with, who knows. Maybe Raki told Priscilla to hide and not fight for fear of her awakening which he doesn't want. Remember, he's trying to keep her out of combat as much as possible.
The idea of her hiding and coming back to rescue him when they take him is plausible.
The idea of her running off to fight Raciella seems rushed to me.
Now we're even :heh:
That's just gross.
Anyways, Raki not wanting Priscilla to fight in order to stop her from losing it makes sense, but you seriously believe Raki's strong enough to take on an unknown number of hellcats on his own? Clare and the others almost got killed by one in the beginning. They eventually did get the hang of their fighting style but I still seriously doubt that a hellcat is within Raki's ability to defeat, not when hellcats are comparable to AB's.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:41
That's just gross.
Anyways, Raki not wanting Priscilla to fight in order to stop her from losing it makes sense, but you seriously believe Raki's strong enough to take on an unknown number of hellcats on his own? Clare and the others almost got killed by one in the beginning. They eventually did get the hang of their fighting style but I still seriously doubt that a hellcat is within Raki's ability to defeat, not when hellcats are comparable to AB's.
:D *laughs maniacally
Well, here's the deal, we don't know how many HellCats were at that town. By all accounts, their were only 2. I agree that it's not within his power to kill them both single-handidly(even though we haven't seen how strong he really is, their power we can agree is too much). I merely said it was plausible.
Fighting Raciella however seems to smart for Priscilla, too tactical. I can't believe she would do so something that independent without trying to rescue Raki first, regardless of his current physical condition. Even if she can't cure him, their is no way she would just stand by and let these guys take him to whereever they go.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 17:53
:D *laughs maniacally
Well, here's the deal, we don't know how many HellCats were at that town. By all accounts, their were only 2. I agree that it's not within his power to kill them both single-handidly(even though we haven't seen how strong he really is, their power we can agree is too much). I merely said it was plausible.
That's exactly what I said. There were an unknown number of hellcats. Read my post carefully. You may say it's plausible, but will I do believe Raki is special in his own way (with my discussions on the blessed sword and his spiritual power), I haven't seen anything to prove that theory just yet so I can only assume right now that he's no different from a human who can at best take out average Yoma, not multiple monsters on par with AB's. So no, to me, it's no plausible.
Fighting Raciella however seems to smart for Priscilla, too tactical. I can't believe she would do so something that independent without trying to rescue Raki first, regardless of his current physical condition. Even if she can't cure him, their is no way she would just stand by and let these guys take him to whereever they go.
The fact that she hasn't assisted him when they took him off can only mean that Priscilla isn't there. You're calling her too smart, but it was Priscilla who actually moved Raki away from the rod's path long before it even landed. Don't tell me that was just instinctual. I think she genuinely wants to protect Raki from harm. There's a good chance she fought the hellcats herself but couldn't stop Raki from getting injured, and so decided to destroy the source of the parasites' power and save him from turning into something that he isn't.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 17:57
That's exactly what I said. There were an unknown number of hellcats. Read my post carefully. You may say it's plausible, but will I do believe Raki is special in his own way (with my discussions on the blessed sword and his spiritual power), I haven't seen anything to prove that theory just yet so I can only assume right now that he's no different from a human who can at best take out average Yoma, not multiple monsters on par with AB's. So no, to me, it's no plausible.
........So we agree with eachother then :heh:
The fact that she hasn't assisted him when they took him off can only mean that Priscilla isn't there. You're calling her too smart, but it was Priscilla who actually moved Raki away from the rod's path long before it even landed. Don't tell me that was just instinctual. I think she genuinely wants to protect Raki from harm. There's a good chance she fought the hellcats herself but couldn't stop Raki from getting injured, and so decided to destroy the source of the parasites' power and save him from turning into something that he isn't.
I agree with everything except that last bit.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens; going to Raciella just seems like too big of an assumption to me. I find the odds of her going to rescue him from the MiB team much larger then going off to fight Raciella alone. It all depends on what happened in the battle exactly and what Raki told her too do. Their just isn't enough information.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-29, 18:03
We'll just have to wait and see what happens; going to Raciella just seems like too big of an assumption to me. I find the odds of her going to rescue him from the MiB team much larger then going off to fight Raciella alone. It all depends on what happened in the battle exactly and what Raki told her too do. Their just isn't enough information.
Why did she disappear then? If she was with him the whole time and fighting to protect him from the hellcats, she should be there as well and Raki never would've been taken away in the first place. Like I said, him getting rescued by her after getting kidnapped without a proper reason as to why she took off would be ridiculous.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 18:06
Why did she disappear then? If she was with him the whole time and fighting to protect him from the hellcats, she should be there as well and Raki never would've been taken away in the first place. Like I said, him getting rescued by her after getting kidnapped without a proper reason as to why she took off would be ridiculous.
Perhaps Raki told her to hide from the approaching MiB's; she probably felt their familiar presence.
I'm not assuming anything on this subject. It's stupid we're even arguing this, Yagi really messed up by being ultra-vague on this one, but everything seems possible to me.
I think we can do without some of the more...umm, wtf...images, thanks. I already let you guys push the boundaries of the retort image rule far enough. We don't need our eyes melted by stuff like that.
1. Scene starts with Ritful talking to Alicia? Alica was in claymore state and did not respond to Ritful. Ritful took the chance to attack Alicia.
2. Clare decides to eliminate the source (Racilla) and heads towards it's direction. Helen and Deneve has no choice but to follow...
3. Scene changed to Mutant Beth brutally damaging Cynthia and Yuma. Galeata, Miata and Claris arrives in time to help. Fight scene. Miata finishes Mutant Beth.
5. Back to Clare.. Clare quicksworded attack the demonic sisters but no affect. Clare thinks and allow memories clues from Rafealla. Reveals New ability.
6. Back to Ritful. She is giving chase to escaping Alicia but were being interrupted by Pricilla appearing beside Duff. (wtf?? Ritful is screwed)
7. Scene changed to duo and Miria and tab arrives at the back of Clare. Hell cats surrounding them. Lastly Clare is shown with enhanced awakened hands.!! (Yeah!! )
Chapter Ends.
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 21:38
1. Scene starts with Ritful talking to Alicia? Alica was in claymore state and did not respond to Ritful. Ritful took the chance to attack Alicia.
2. Clare decides to eliminate the source (Racilla) and heads towards it's direction. Helen and Deneve has no choice but to follow...
3. Scene changed to Mutant Beth brutally damaging Cynthia and Yuma. Galeata, Miata and Claris arrives in time to help. Fight scene. Miata finishes Mutant Beth.
5. Back to Clare.. Clare quicksworded attack the demonic sisters but no affect. Clare thinks and allow memories clues from Rafealla. Reveals New ability.
6. Back to Ritful. She is giving chase to escaping Alicia but were being interrupted by Pricilla appearing beside Duff. (wtf?? Ritful is screwed)
7. Scene changed to duo and Miria and tab arrives at the back of Clare. Hell cats surrounding them. Lastly Clare is shown with enhanced awakened hands.!! (Yeah!! )
Chapter Ends.
.....I think this is it.
It's weird(and by weird, I'm referring to Alicia, how did she get back into Claymore state?), but it sounds alot more plausible then the last one. This could be it.
Miata being able to beat Mutant Beth.....Miata is No.1 potential but she did have trouble beating Agatha. Beth by all accounts should be No.1 potential as well, like Rafaela and Miata, and now she's enhanced by the parasites. In my mind, Miata shouldn't be strong enough to win.
Priscilla showing up next to Dauf and Riful.....okay, this is just weird. So weird, I have nothing to say, but I can't imagine her actually ending up or allying with those guys.
Claire and the entire group fighting Raciella is like signing all of their death warrents. Their is no way they can win unless they all awaken or something(specifically Claire).
Negativedark
2009-10-29, 21:46
Hmmmnnn, Yuma alive+ an enhanced awakened hands technique=........................................ ..
Wait for it...
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YUMAPUNCH!!!
Hmmmnnn, Yuma alive+ an enhanced awakened hands technique=........................................ ..
Wait for it...
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YUMAPUNCH!!!
hahahah.. ...
.....I think this is it.
It's weird(and by weird, I'm referring to Alicia, how did she get back into Claymore state?), but it sounds alot more plausible then the last one. This could be it.
Miata being able to beat Mutant Beth.....Miata is No.1 potential but she did have trouble beating Agatha. Beth by all accounts should be No.1 potential as well, like Rafaela and Miata, and now she's enhanced by the parasites. In my mind, Miata shouldn't be strong enough to win.
Priscilla showing up next to Dauf and Riful.....okay, this is just weird. So weird, I have nothing to say, but I can't imagine her actually ending up or allying with those guys.
Claire and the entire group fighting Raciella is like signing all of their death warrents. Their is no way they can win unless they all awaken or something(specifically Claire).
I think Ritful is going to be killed by Pris in the next chapter if this is real...
Hell yeah for Clare.. if this is real
clarakiss~
2009-10-29, 21:56
if the spoiler is true like it says and everyone is currently preoccupied with matters at hand; the org and the retrieval team make their clean getaway with raki and no one is there to intercept them. u.u i wanted to know more of him but it seems there's... nothing.
a whole month of waitn' goes to waste. *sighs*
Shiek927
2009-10-29, 21:58
if the spoiler is true like it says and everyone is currently preoccupied with matters at hand; the org and the retrieval team make their clean getaway with raki and no one is there to intercept them. u.u i wanted to know more of him but it seems there's... nothing.
a whole month of waitn' goes to waste. *sighs*
Tell me about it; Raki is getting snuffed again and again AND AGAIN lately.
I'm starting to stop waiting for the flashback arc, it doesn't look like it's even going to happen, much less anytime soon.
I think Ritful is going to be killed by Pris in the next chapter if this is real...
The real question is, why is Priscilla around Riful to begin with?
People think she is heading toward the battlefield to fight Raciella and supposedly break her hold on Raki; if this is true, what is she doing messing around with Riful?
.....I think this is it.
It's weird(and by weird, I'm referring to Alicia, how did she get back into Claymore state?), but it sounds alot more plausible then the last one. This could be it.
Miata being able to beat Mutant Beth.....Miata is No.1 potential but she did have trouble beating Agatha. Beth by all accounts should be No.1 potential as well, like Rafaela and Miata, and now she's enhanced by the parasites. In my mind, Miata shouldn't be strong enough to win.
Priscilla showing up next to Dauf and Riful.....okay, this is just weird. So weird, I have nothing to say, but I can't imagine her actually ending up or allying with those guys.
Claire and the entire group fighting Raciella is like signing all of their death warrents. Their is no way they can win unless they all awaken or something(specifically Claire).
If that spoiler is true then Miata shows why she is awesome. If it isn't true, she is still awesome regardless.
*note: Clarice doesn't affect Miata's awesomeness in any way, shape, or form with her non or negative awesomeness. :)
Miata being able to beat Mutant Beth.....Miata is No.1 potential but she did have trouble beating Agatha. Beth by all accounts should be No.1 potential as well, like Rafaela and Miata, and now she's enhanced by the parasites. In my mind, Miata shouldn't be strong enough to win.
Miata had trouble against Agatha because her attention was focused on Galatea. She wasn't paying attention to Agatha's attacks because Agatha started lightly and upped the damage slowly so she wouldn't notice. By the time Miata focused her attention to Agatha she was weakened significantly. Had she focused on Agatha from the start the fight might have turned out differently (Galatea pointing out the weaknesses, Clarice guiding Miata, Miata being the brute force).
I've always felt that Miata was the counterpoint to Priscilla, where one had a nurturing guidance to temper her abilities while the other was literally thrown into battle with Claymores who were not understanding of her fragile nature (until it was too late).
Miata's weakness and strength has been Clarice. If something happened to her, Miata might rival or best any of the Abyssal ones in power. Notice the insane regeneration of what is supposed to be an offensive warrior during the Agatha fight. Miata shouldn't be able to do something like that unless she had ridiculous amounts of power, or she's a defensive type. And of the defensive types, the only one we've seen with that kind of regeneration is Deneve, who has pushed her power to it's limits without fully awakening. Priscilla is the only Awakened shown to have near instant regeneration.
The only Claymore who surprises me at this point is Clarice. To use a Star Wars reference, her power is something like the Millennium Falcon's hyper drive. Because she's not completely in control of it, it fluctuates between "Han looks like a moron in front of Princess Leia after boasting how fast it is" to "Ludicrous Speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0)".
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 00:44
Miata had trouble against Agatha because her attention was focused on Galatea. She wasn't paying attention to Agatha's attacks because Agatha started lightly and upped the damage slowly so she wouldn't notice. By the time Miata focused her attention to Agatha she was weakened significantly. Had she focused on Agatha from the start the fight might have turned out differently (Galatea pointing out the weaknesses, Clarice guiding Miata, Miata being the brute force).
I've always felt that Miata was the counterpoint to Priscilla, where one had a nurturing guidance to temper her abilities while the other was literally thrown into battle with Claymores who were not understanding of her fragile nature (until it was too late).
Miata's weakness and strength has been Clarice. If something happened to her, Miata might rival or best any of the Abyssal ones in power. Notice the insane regeneration of what is supposed to be an offensive warrior during the Agatha fight. Miata shouldn't be able to do something like that unless she had ridiculous amounts of power, or she's a defensive type. And of the defensive types, the only one we've seen with that kind of regeneration is Deneve, who has pushed her power to it's limits without fully awakening. Priscilla is the only Awakened shown to have near instant regeneration.
The only Claymore who surprises me at this point is Clarice. To use a Star Wars reference, her power is something like the Millennium Falcon's hyper drive. Because she's not completely in control of it, it fluctuates between "Han looks like a moron in front of Princess Leia after boasting how fast it is" to "Ludicrous Speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0)".
Perhaps things would have turned out different, but the question is How differently. Thing is, even if they all worked together to defeat Agatha, it still would be difficult to gauge Miata's power since it's not one-on-one.
It does raise a question however: If Miata had the potential all along to best a supercharged-Beth, a creature that's probably close to Abyssal-territory....why did they send her and Clarice to Galatea instead of sending them with Alicia and Beth to fight Riful? wouldn't that have improved their chances of victory, having another potential No.1 with them? Was it that Miata hadn't realized her full potential yet? Were they afraid of Clarice's presence there? Miata's so-called potential raises many many questions and her lack of use on the assault is both strange and curious.
Miata is both very physically strong and unique, but I don't think she is really "all that". A Number 1 may be a Number 1, but they aren't all the same. If she were to awaken, she would theortically be in Abyssal-territory...but I would probably place her with Riful and Luciella and not with Isley. Admittingly, their is little to back up what I say, but the same goes the other way. What it boils down too is, a lack of general screentime to really gauge what she can do, both short and long-term.
You note her impressive regeneration....which makes me think of Revan and his theory that she may have been a prototype AE, as while she does not possess all their distinct traits(paticulary their rapid increase in experience and power), she does possess the intense regeneration and unique senses.
Clarice is pretty much nothing though. Agatha was caught by surprise plan and simple and, for once, she actually was 100% focused. Problem with Clarice is that she is in general, not a warrior at all, the girl can't even hold her sword right. When she is 100% determined though, rare as it comes, she can catch people by surprise, and the victim was Agatha.
Hmmmnnn, Yuma alive+ an enhanced awakened hands technique=........................................ ..
Wait for it...
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YUMAPUNCH!!!
hahahah.. ...
You know, you guys might be even more enthusiastic if you realize this might mean that Yuma and Cynthia might have to overstretch their yoki limits in order to heal. Ah just think, wouldn't it be cool have two more members of the team who are half-awakened? That'd leave Tabitha, Galatea, Miata and Clarice who have not surpassed their limits.
Perhaps things would have turned out different, but the question is How differently. Thing is, even if they all worked together to defeat Agatha, it still would be difficult to gauge Miata's power since it's not one-on-one.
It does raise a question however: If Miata had the potential to best a supercharged-Beth....why did they send her and Clarice to Galatea instead of sending them with Alicia and Beth to fight Riful? wouldn't that have improved their chances of victory, having another potential No.1 with them? Was it that Miata hadn't realized her full potential yet? Were they afraid of Clarice's presence there? Miata's so-called potential raises many many questions and her lack of use on the assault is both strange and curious.
Miata is both very physically strong and unique, but I don't think she is really "all that". A Number 1 may be a Number 1, but they aren't all the same. If she were to awaken, she would theortically be in Abyssal-territory...but I would probably place her with Riful and Luciella and not with Isley. Admittingly, their is little to back up what I say, but the same goes the other way. What it boils down too is, a lack of general screentime to really gauge what she can do, both short and long-term.
You note her impressive regeneration....which makes me think of Revan and his theory that she may have been a prototype AE, as while she does not possess all their distinct traits(paticulary their rapid increase in experience and power), she does possess the intense regeneration and unique senses.
Clarice is pretty much nothing though. Agatha was caught by surprise plan and simple and, for once, she actually was 100% focused. Problem with Clarice is that she is in general, not a warrior at all, the girl can't even hold her sword right. When she is 100% determined though, rare as it comes, she can catch people by surprise, and the victim was Agatha.
Tbh, while Miata is strong and has, dare I say it, potential. She most likely wont live up to her true potential (shudders). But lets face it, potential is nothing on its own; I doubt Miata has made it a goal to try and reach hers (something tells me she isn't a goal oriented person :)). With the whole regeneration bit; are you guys talking about her just making new hands or simply reattaching the ones that got ripped off? If she just reattached them wouldn't that take very little time anyways? That is a basic skill to claymores right?
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 00:59
Tbh, while Miata is strong and has, dare I say it, potential. She most likely wont live up to her true potential (shudders). But lets face it, potential is nothing on its own; I doubt Miata has made it a goal to try and reach hers (something tells me she isn't a goal oriented person :)). With the whole regeneration bit; are you guys talking about her just making new hands or simply reattaching the ones that got ripped off? If she just reattached them wouldn't that take very little time anyways? That is a basic skill to claymores right?
She didn't reattach her arms, they were torn off, remember? to shreds, but she repaired them to such a degree, that it not only should have been something only a Defensive can do, but a very good Defensive.
I agree though that Miata won't live up to her potential, I think we can all say that. Clarice will most likely try to keep her out of combat for the most part which is understandable.
The only person who truly reached the peak of their full potential was Priscilla for her unique rapid exponential growth ability during her awakening.
It does raise a question however: If Miata had the potential all along to best a supercharged-Beth, a creature that's probably close to Abyssal-territory....why did they send her and Clarice to Galatea instead of sending them with Alicia and Beth to fight Riful? wouldn't that have improved their chances of victory, having another potential No.1 with them? Was it that Miata hadn't realized her full potential yet? Were they afraid of Clarice's presence there? Miata's so-called potential raises many many questions and her lack of use on the assault is both strange and curious
Well they did send Miata to Rabona before Isley fell. After Isley's death things have kind of sprung into fast forward and out of control so much...I don't think it's possible that the Organization planned this far ahead (why waste seven years of time to lose Alicia and Beth like that?). Though they certainly seem eager to pick up the pieces for more experiments. To top it off the Organization can't quickly contact Clarice and Miata...Rabona doesn't openly welcome Claymores so getting a message in would have been difficult.
As you say, and I agree with you, there's just not enough screen time to really gauge Miata's or Clarice's abilities. If that's one gripe I have with Claymore it's that so much is happening on so many different angles that one chapter a month is frustratingly slow. I'm really hoping that the coming months will converge these plots more so that we're not jumping around so much wondering what happened to x character.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-30, 01:02
i agree about miata...
my points on miata:
1. miata DOES HAVE the power of a rank 1, but due to her youth-immaturity-childishness and being a non-seasoned warrior/non-veteran, she is only given rank 4.
2. her power is for real though + her super natural 5 senses, she is just inexperienced and non-serious. she literally is a child being asked-assigned to be a killing machine. she doesn't have the seriousness or commitment or dedication to be-do this role on her own. she needs guidence-orders from her "mama" (clarice).
3. imagine if miata was an adult and serious like irene or miria with her rank 1 power and her unique ability of super natural 5 senses....
4. miata woulda realized on her own that agatha is the immediate threat and needs to be killed first. then, miata could have executed the willing galatea (as is seen in the manga).
5. miata super nuatural 5 senses should have been able to easily detect agatha's gradually strengthening attacks on her...
i mean, you feel an attack. when you get hit-punched-cut-hurt, you FEEL it. And, miata has super ability to FEEL. so, even agatha's gradually strengthening attacks, should be easily noticed by miata.
but miata is a child and isn't able to think on her own. miata only does what clarice tells her to do or instinctively reacts when clarice is in danger to protect her "mama" (clarice) or herself.
6. i never payed attention, but solace is right!!! miata does have amazing regenerative abilities for a clearly offensive type warrior.
OR....
maybe, it was just an "adrenaline-emergency" rush to try to save her "mama" (clarice), much like how human females will get an adrenaline rush in an emergency situation to lift up a car to save a crying baby underneath or whatever.
7. miata is definately very very similar to priscilla. they are both very young (though compared to miata, priscilla is much more mature. priscilla had a naive idealogy of the world. miata is so young as to not have any such thoughts and she isn't weened yet as well), super powerful, and unstable.
8. however, i'm not so sure that miata is the counter to priscilla, as much as miata is the PERFECT counter to the abyss feeders. MIATA is the PERFECT WEAPON-CREATION for destroying the abyss feeders....
FateAnomaly
2009-10-30, 01:09
The spoiler don't seem very plausible to me.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 01:11
Nice work, Gangsta! Don't worry about the translation. Other 2 editions I have confirm that on OM. Anyway, I think Raki never crossed the mountain range: too risky. Believe me, I know how dangerous it is. :D He might have climbed enough to catch a glimpse of a village from up there. Then he might even have stopped to wait for Claire to reach him. But then, seeing she didn't come, he descended into the plain to head to the village he might have seen.
Ah, I'm looking at the map a little differently than you are. Irene's mountain range the way I saw it, is not connected to Riful's mountain range. The forest goes between those two mountain ranges. You could kind of see it a bit better before I drew raki's path there there was some green in there. But I just saw raki following he edge of the forest and the mountain. and that there are probably a few town between the forest and the mountain range. but it was just a possiblity he went that way. I think he probably stopped soon.
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 01:17
As you say, and I agree with you, there's just not enough screen time to really gauge Miata's or Clarice's abilities. If that's one gripe I have with Claymore it's that so much is happening on so many different angles that one chapter a month is frustratingly slow. I'm really hoping that the coming months will converge these plots more so that we're not jumping around so much wondering what happened to x character.
Exactly, I know I'm annoying that I've been ranting this again and again all day, but Yagi is putting too much on his plate. He's got so many things happening at once now, that instead of focusing on one group, he's focusing on 3 different groups at one time and making little progress on each. Raki for example, he had to speed up and what happened? We only got the aftermath of what should have been an exciting battle that I was looking forward too. He's put too much on his plate, and now he's rushing to make up for it.
It could also be that we're getting nothing but battles; admittingly, for the last several chapters, we've gotten nothing but more and more fighting and less on story, and waiting for a whole month just to see more of the same gets exhausting and irritating(Clarakiss :p)
I know I'm nagging, but it's also true. Call it pent-up frustration released due to the new chapter :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 01:20
Yep, that was deliberate. What're you gonna do about it? http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj188/Freedan_269/hm.png
Hey you guys stop picking on shrimp. :(
She didn't reattach her arms, they were torn off, remember? to shreds, but she repaired them to such a degree, that it not only should have been something only a Defensive can do, but a very good Defensive.
I agree though that Miata won't live up to her potential, I think we can all say that. Clarice will most likely try to keep her out of combat for the most part which is understandable.
The only person who truly reached the peak of their full potential was Priscilla for her unique rapid exponential growth ability during her awakening.
Hmm, interesting. I guess I will have to let it stew for a while. Not that I am saying I don't believe it but I was just under the impression that reattaching limbs was a basic skill all claymores should have mastered (said so by riful) and how fast it goes depends on how much yoki you put into it. I don't really have a comment about the Miata comparisons to a defensive warrior, because I don't feel like thinking at the moment :heh: . Maybe tomorrow, if it's that important to me then and I remember, I will think of something.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 01:24
1. Scene starts with Ritful talking to Alicia? Alica was in claymore state and did not respond to Ritful. Ritful took the chance to attack Alicia.
2. Clare decides to eliminate the source (Racilla) and heads towards it's direction. Helen and Deneve has no choice but to follow...
3. Scene changed to Mutant Beth brutally damaging Cynthia and Yuma. Galeata, Miata and Claris arrives in time to help. Fight scene. Miata finishes Mutant Beth.
5. Back to Clare.. Clare quicksworded attack the demonic sisters but no affect. Clare thinks and allow memories clues from Rafealla. Reveals New ability.
6. Back to Ritful. She is giving chase to escaping Alicia but were being interrupted by Pricilla appearing beside Duff. (wtf?? Ritful is screwed)
7. Scene changed to duo and Miria and tab arrives at the back of Clare. Hell cats surrounding them. Lastly Clare is shown with enhanced awakened hands.!! (Yeah!! )
Chapter Ends.
More talented spoiler write. But there is too much happening and way too many characters for it to be true.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-30, 01:41
Ah, I'm looking at the map a little differently than you are. Irene's mountain range the way I saw it, is not connected to Riful's mountain range. The forest goes between those two mountain ranges. You could kind of see it a bit better before I drew raki's path there there was some green in there. But I just saw raki following he edge of the forest and the mountain. and that there are probably a few town between the forest and the mountain range. but it was just a possiblity he went that way. I think he probably stopped soon.
also....
how far do you think a human child-teen (raki) is going to get-travel ?
raki had been traveling with clare, though obviously clare had to have slowed down for child-teen raki when they were still together. (teresa had to slow down for human girl clare too)
based on this, i don't think that Hanel town is that far away, though right now i don't know exactly how much time has been passing between their split up and when raki arrives in Hanel town and when clare arrives in hanel town.
i actually now, think that clare and raki might have just about missed each other in hanel town...
because....
i find it hard to believe that the boy and girl (probably young dietrich) would suddenly start talking about raki asking them about the statues if it happened awhile ago, just when clare showed up....
so clare might have only missed raki by a few days at most....
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 01:52
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2492/gonahlmap2q.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/gonahlmap2q.jpg/)
@Camilla:
This is sorta more what I'm talking about. The way I saw it is there is a forest path between two mountain ranges. When I used Gimp to fill in the color for the forest, it even colored that part between the mountains. Unfortunately, I threw Raki's path through it and it covered it up, and I don't have the pre-raki-path version anymore, so I had to recolor the forest in. Anyway, I see a lot of little villages that have a forest to one side and a mountain to another side, and Clare went to village to village in search for Raki. Riful's first base is somewhere in that other mountain range.
@Hegey:
I just colored in Irene's valley instead of having a point there. It still can be there surrounded by mountains by all sides.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 02:08
also....
how far do you think a human child-teen (raki) is going to get-travel ?
raki had been traveling with clare, though obviously clare had to have slowed down for child-teen raki when they were still together. (teresa had to slow down for human girl clare too)
based on this, i don't think that Hanel town is that far away, though right now i don't know exactly how much time has been passing between their split up and when raki arrives in Hanel town and when clare arrives in hanel town.
i actually now, think that clare and raki might have just about missed each other in hanel town...
because....
i find it hard to believe that the boy and girl (probably young dietrich) would suddenly start talking about raki asking them about the statues if it happened awhile ago, just when clare showed up....
so clare might have only missed raki by a few days at most....
I just drew one possibility. Clare for instance could've traveled north a lot further before Raki and her split NE and NW. I chose there because it was close enough to Irene. But we are talking about Raki traveling for about 3 months, so there is plenty of time for him to get to somewhere
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6137/gonahlmap3.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/gonahlmap3.jpg/)
Anyway I don't claim to know the exact path the two traveled, how far north clare got before they had to split up, or even which mountain range Riful base is on. I just gave 1 possible map that makes sense.
BTW, hegdy I think you are confusing people, me in particular with all the town names you use. Perhaps a list of names, location in story, where you got the name from would help. Take Doga for instance, some translation say it is a town, some say Raki's Town was in an area known as Doga.
HegemonKhan
2009-10-30, 02:19
my social group, Claymore Fanclub, as the information you are asking about. (it is based on the translated manga i am using from a certain site)
join up! i could use your help or insight ! hehe
1. HANEL.
it is a very big town in the western land, which has the statues of the twin godesses of love. the boy and girl (probably younger dietrich) are here. this is the town that both raki and clare arrive in after they split up (due to ophelia) after being at Gonahl (town-village, but it is in ruins, destroyed by the female awakened one, BEFORE clare, raki, and ophelia arrived). presumably, it is to the ~NW of gonahl, since that is the direction raki was suppose to go when they split up, or it could be anywhere.
sometime after being in hanel, raki is kidnapped-picked up by the slave traders and taken to the northern lands.
nearby Hanel, is the Zakol mountains, where riful's first castle is with jean and katea as her prisoners.
hanel is suppose to be at least somewhat near or around where the forest or gonahl where they (raki and clare) separated.
2. in my translation, it says that raki's home town is called-named Doga, which is near a plains area in the southern lands.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 02:32
my social group, Claymore Fanclub, as the information you are asking about. (it is based on the translated manga i am using from a certain site)
join up! i could use your help or insight ! hehe
1. HANEL.
it is a very big town in the western land, which has the statues of the twin godesses of love. the boy and girl (probably younger dietrich) are here. this is the town that both raki and clare arrive in after they split up (due to ophelia) after being at Gonahl (town-village, but it is in ruins, destroyed by the female awakened one, BEFORE clare, raki, and ophelia arrived). presumably, it is to the ~NW of gonahl, since that is the direction raki was suppose to go when they split up, or it could be anywhere.
sometime after being in hanel, raki is kidnapped-picked up by the slave traders and taken to the northern lands.
nearby Hanel, is the Zakol mountains, where riful's first castle is with jean and katea as her prisoners.
hanel is suppose to be at least somewhat near or around where the forest or gonahl where they (raki and clare) separated.
2. in my translation, it says that raki's home town is called-named Doga, which is near a plains area in the southern lands.
Okay here is some advice: According to Cyclone, when available, use 10Sigh translation, since Cyclone questions us for questioning the accuracy of a 10Sigh translation. With the more recent ones, people say Shrimpy over CNet, but you should read both, and now it is Gernot and CNet that you should both look at.
Second point, it has already been proven that your translation is wrong, that Doga, town or area, is in the Western lands. It is officially a mistranslation now, since Zato posted the raw and showed the character for the West was used instead of the character for the south in the Japanese version. One Manga has a habit of picking the absolute worst translation to post. :/
So far we know about only one claymore warrior able to kill an AO level creature - Teresa. Miata is still no4, yes she has a potential to became no1, but she isn't one. IMHO her fight with Galatea was very equal. Galatea was no3, there is a chance her combat abilities improved, but still Galatea shouldn't be better than no2. Beth is a abbysal level monster (she should be at least as good as Rosemary). If Miata with help of Galatea and Miria is able to kill AO then ghost has no one ot opose them (I don't count Destroyer as opposition). In other words that spoiler is a fake :)
Awakened
2009-10-30, 06:02
Why do people keep saying Beth is AO lvl? we have no evidence. All we know is that the parasite use up the host life.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-30, 06:33
Considering Alicia and Beth are equal in terms of fighting skill when un-awakened, and the fact they're twins, means that there's a good chance Beth can also be AO level like her sister. She simply isn't the one trained for awakening in the Soul Link process. Another clue is the fact that Luciella and Raffaella both had the same power as any Number 1, and they were also training for the soul link. There's more reason to think Alicia and Beth are both Number 1 material.
I think the spoller posted by @mosmos is very interesting indeed. But like @G said I think that it has too many invents in one go. But it would be awsome if it were true.:)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6137/gonahlmap3.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/gonahlmap3.jpg/)[/center]
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Map looks like monster man.. Orange eyes, big nose and open mouth... weird
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 09:41
So far we know about only one claymore warrior able to kill an AO level creature - Teresa. Miata is still no4, yes she has a potential to became no1, but she isn't one. IMHO her fight with Galatea was very equal. Galatea was no3, there is a chance her combat abilities improved, but still Galatea shouldn't be better than no2. Beth is a abbysal level monster (she should be at least as good as Rosemary). If Miata with help of Galatea and Miria is able to kill AO then ghost has no one ot opose them (I don't count Destroyer as opposition). In other words that spoiler is a fake :)
Be careful there. Galatea 7 years later should be stronger than the old Galatea. First off, her new sight is actually superior to when she had eyes. The ghosts got stronger by training, but the possibility that suppressing your yoki increases your yoki reserves does exists, especially looking at Helen and Deneve in recent chapters.
Anyway, Miata has potential to be #1 in her generation, a generation where #1 has the ability to awaken. So that means that miata has the potential to beat a #1 who awakens.
Spoiler from Gene@tss
今クレイモアはリフルがアリシアと戦っててプリシラが覚醒ベスと戦ってるであってるの?
リフルが追い詰められてトドメを刺されそうになるが急にアリシアがビキビキなって苦しみだす
リフル「覚醒したもういっぽうの妖気を必死に抑え込もうとしてる
双子の片割れが…制御できないほどの大きな力て何かと戦っているんだ」
場面変わる
覚醒したやつをプリシラがふるぼっこ
プリシラ「弱っちいあなたなんかに 興味ないのあたし」
プリシラが覚醒したやつの皮膚を食べてみるが不味かったらしい
プリシラ「足りないの あれぽっちじゃ全然足りないの おなかがすいたわ
もうずっとずっとずっとずっと何年ものあいだ…ずっと我慢してたのよ あたし
あの男に残る微かな匂いを頼りに…今日やっとそこへ辿り着くことができるわ
だから邪魔をしないで わたしはあなたなんかなんの興味もないの」
Looks like Alicia is still trying really hard (possibly with help of Beth) to "unawaken" herself while Riful sits there and wonder "oh what the hell is going on."
Priscilla, now in her awaken form, meets Beth the Kitty while looking for Raki. She is also very hungry.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 10:39
Spoiler from Gene@tss
Looks like Alicia is still trying really hard (possibly with help of Beth) to "unawaken" herself while Riful sits there and wonder "oh what the hell is going on."
Priscilla, now in her awaken form, meets Beth the Kitty while looking for Raki. She is also very hungry.
This sounds really good. The other spoiler from earlier sounded good too, there were just too many characters in it for 1 chapter. Anyway, is there a spoiler that has the famous lines about Claymore being continued in 2 months time?
Spoiler from Gene@tss
Looks like Alicia is still trying really hard (possibly with help of Beth) to "unawaken" herself while Riful sits there and wonder "oh what the hell is going on."
Priscilla, now in her awaken form, meets Beth the Kitty while looking for Raki. She is also very hungry.
Thank you.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 10:42
Ah wait! This spoiler is from Gene, so it is probably true.
As to this whole Miata debate...
I've seen 4 translations and 3 of them (Official VIZ English translation, gernot, and shrimpy) say she reattached her hands and the other (Blind, the one on One Manga) says nothing about reattaching/regenerating, just that she threw her sword with a broken hand. Plus if you look at the panels only her wrists appear to be growing back... so it's same to say reattaching. She did land close to her hands but we never saw how close she was to them.
I agree that Miata has massive potential. With her very injured body she pulled Agatha whole awakened form until her hands broke off due to them already having been cut almost in half. I'm currently working under the assumption that we will see something come of her but have no clue as to what... or who important she'll be to the over all plot.
Ah wait! This spoiler is from Gene, so it is probably true.
You think so @G, I mean is it that reliable.:)
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 10:59
Well, that settles that. Would like more detail, but it sounds the best of them all.
Amazing that Alicia is still somewhat in control of herself, unless she already fully awakened and is sort of delusional.
Priscilla should be strong enough to beat Beth without too much hassle, unless her weakened condition is extreme and/or Beth has been enhanced much more then we thought. Question is though, are they alone? or are Cynthia and Yuma still around?
And with an awakened Priscilla so close...their's no way Claire would or could not recognize her energy. It's possible Raciella and all the energies around
may still mask it, but that still wouldn't stop Claire.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 11:05
You think so @G, I mean is it that reliable.:)
who gets raws before us? :)
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 11:07
who gets raws before us? :)
Hopefully they won't hog them for days this time :heh:
I WOULD question the lack of "next issue", but it was a quick translation.
Amazing that Alicia is still somewhat in control of herself, unless she already fully awakened and is sort of delusional.
Maybe... since Alicia has awakened so many times. She is kinda like a partially awakened one with some resistance to awakening.
Maybe... since Alicia has awakened so many times. She is kinda like a partially awakened one with some resistance to awakening.
Wouldn't it be interesting if Alicia were to join Riful or the Ghosts as a partially awakened one? If the spoilers about Riful being very confused and just sitting there are true, then it'd give her a chance to revert. It'd be very interesting to see if, at the end of the day, Riful or the Ghosts could repair her mind and personality to something approaching normality.
Be careful there. Galatea 7 years later should be stronger than the old Galatea. First off, her new sight is actually superior to when she had eyes. The ghosts got stronger by training, but the possibility that suppressing your yoki increases your yoki reserves does exists, especially looking at Helen and Deneve in recent chapters.
All you've said here is true, but I was talking about Galatea combat abilities, not her yoki sensing/suppression/etc. Galatea skills in manipulating (sensing, supressing, etc) yoki is enormous, it's possible she is best yoki manipulator ever. But it doesn't means she is able to fight on no1 level. Miria even before Pieta was considered as equal to no1 in terms of leadership, but she still was no6.
Anyway, Miata has potential to be #1 in her generation, a generation where #1 has the ability to awaken. So that means that miata has the potential to beat a #1 who awakens.
There was a heated discussion if warriors numbers are relative (no1 is better than current no2, no2 is better than current no3 etc.) or fixed, used by ORG to compare warriors from different generations. If the second is true no1 must be both better than current no2 and better than any former no2 (ignore cases of Raphaela, Beth and Priscilla for a while). It also means Rosemary also was an AO.
I believe in the second, so Miata potential to became no1 means she should be strong enought to won with Irene, preawakened Rigaldo etc. It's also a potential - so she is not yet that strong, not only because of her mental instability, but also because of lack of experience, training, immaturity etc.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 11:46
All you've said here is true, but I was talking about Galatea combat abilities, not her yoki sensing/suppression/etc. Galatea skills in manipulating (sensing, supressing, etc) yoki is enormous, it's possible she is best yoki manipulator ever. But it doesn't means she is able to fight on no1 level. Miria even before Pieta was considered as equal to no1 in terms of leadership, but she still was no6.
There was a heated discussion if warriors numbers are relative (no1 is better than current no2, no2 is better than current no3 etc.) or fixed, used by ORG to compare warriors from different generations. If the second is true no1 must be both better than current no2 and better than any former no2 (ignore cases of Raphaela, Beth and Priscilla for a while). It also means Rosemary also was an AO.
I believe in the second, so Miata potential to became no1 means she should be strong enought to won with Irene, preawakened Rigaldo etc. It's also a potential - so she is not yet that strong, not only because of her mental instability, but also because of lack of experience, training, immaturity etc.
The way I see it is, when you have someone who is a potential number 1 in a generation with an Active number one, then the person who is potential number has the potential to surpass the current number 1. This is how it was in Teresa's time: The organization thought that Prissy would eventually surpass Teresa. They did, however, not know the full extent of Teresa's power. Now in the current generation, what makes the org think that Alicia was the greatest number one of all time, is that she can awaken. If she didn't have that ability, then the org would probably have ranked her under Teresa and Priscilla. So that means, in order for Miata to have potential to surpass the current #1 that she would have to be better than a Claymore who can do a controlled awakening. That is why Miata's potential scares me. What is keeping her down is, she acts like an animal instead of a human when it comes to combat.
Awakened
2009-10-30, 12:41
Considering Alicia and Beth are equal in terms of fighting skill when un-awakened, and the fact they're twins, means that there's a good chance Beth can also be AO level like her sister. She simply isn't the one trained for awakening in the Soul Link process. Another clue is the fact that Luciella and Raffaella both had the same power as any Number 1, and they were also training for the soul link. There's more reason to think Alicia and Beth are both Number 1 material.
I know that Beth has the potential to be an AO, but we don't know if the parasite is using Beth's full potential. The parasite might just be feeding on Beth.
I know that Beth has the potential to be an AO, but we don't know if the parasite is using Beth's full potential. The parasite might just be feeding on Beth.
Incorrect. Clare said that if the parasites attach themselves to a life form they can continue to function indefinitely. So it's not feeding on her but has merged with her. The question is what the new life forms intentions are... feeding or killing. I'm going with killing due to her seeing to attacking everything in sight after "awakening", if that's what we call what just happened.
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000045/000222222/15.jpg
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 12:47
It's also possible that if beth awakened while the parasite was in her, that the parasite and her are now merged and a new creature. Beth might not be under the control of Raciella unlike the other kitties.
irvinethearcher
2009-10-30, 13:08
As far as i understand it we have now a parasite who uses the body of beth as an energy source and the mind of beth for the awakened form and probably has now the concept of regeneration - an extremly dangerous organism with only the goal to destroy as much as possilble. In a few days we will know more anyway.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 13:19
No match for the likes of Priscilla though, if they do run into each other.
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 13:27
No match for the likes of Priscilla though, if they do run into each other.
I don't know about that. She'll win, but it may not be a flawless victory. Depends on how strong Beth is and how weak Priscilla is.
I'm sure Beth has a certain degree of independence, but I'm sure she still under the will of Raciella.
Ah, I'm looking at the map a little differently than you are. Irene's mountain range the way I saw it, is not connected to Riful's mountain range. The forest goes between those two mountain ranges. You could kind of see it a bit better before I drew raki's path there there was some green in there. But I just saw raki following he edge of the forest and the mountain. and that there are probably a few town between the forest and the mountain range. but it was just a possiblity he went that way. I think he probably stopped soon.
http://i36.tinypic.com/2cdeccn.jpg
Now I can see the forest you were talking about: it does cover the two versants of the mountains. But I still believe, personally speaking, there is only one mountain range.
http://i37.tinypic.com/260yahc.jpg
There is a sort of whiter line on the left of the red one that I think denotes an altitude change between the two areas. You can see it more clearly if you look for it on the first map I posted. A kind of a demarcation line. It's there, isn't it? :confused:
http://i35.tinypic.com/e8went.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2ii7jb9.jpg
While looking at the maps I saw some black spots and thought they might represent possible villages. So some of them might have hypothetically been visited by Claire when she was looking for Raki.
I wish we had a higher resolution version of the DS map that I could work on.
Edit: And while I was doing something else, the real spoiler came out... :p Thank you as usual, Jonova.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-30, 13:57
While looking at the maps I saw some black spots and thought they might represent possible villages. So some of them might have hypothetically been visited by Claire when she was looking for Raki.
I wish we had a higher resolution version of the DS map that I could work on.
It's possible, the forest cutting through the mountains was just one possibility anyway. We agree on the basic point that, that forest is the one that is connected to Irene's Valley, Gonahl, the town with the Teresa and Clare statue and Riful's base. The way I see it between mountain and forest might be flatlands that don't have too many trees due to either lack of sunlight, or rockiness of the immediate area. I'm no expert on this stuff; that's just how I'd imagine it. So near the edge of the mountains you can build town ands roads without having to cut down too many trees. So that's why I think the town with the Teresa and Clare statue is near the mountains, and besides going to riful base would be a road going up mountain side.
I also don't think that Raki would've kept travelling, unless he is pretty stupid, since it makes more sense for him to stop and wait for Clare once he hits a town, instead of continuing to move away from her. I think Clare searched a few towns before getting there.
Anyway, nice map and reasoning.
Awakened
2009-10-30, 14:07
Incorrect. Clare said that if the parasites attach themselves to a life form they can continue to function indefinitely. So it's not feeding on her but has merged with her. The question is what the new life forms intentions are... feeding or killing. I'm going with killing due to her seeing to attacking everything in sight after "awakening", if that's what we call what just happened.
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000045/000222222/15.jpg
I don't disagree that Beth wants to kill everything she sees.
The question is how strong is Headless-horse-man Beth?
1) Is she AO lvl?
2) Is she like the ZACS?
3) Is she #1 Claymore lvl?
4) Does the parasite have control over all of Beth power?
5) Is the Parasite using Beth power to enhance its own power?
We don't know.
We know that the parasite is feeding on Beth, but we don't know how much stronger it is because of Beth. (The reason for the Parasite merging with Beth is to gain energy. If it does not it will die.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism
Edit:
After thinking about it, you might be right to call it a merger, and not a parasite +host combination. Iven if its a full merger we don't have enouph evidence to call it AO lvl. We have ZAGS as an example of what happen when you mix Ab with human and Racillia when you mix AO with Claymore.
Ok, maybe she is AO lvl.:D
It's possible, the forest cutting through the mountains was just one possibility anyway. We agree on the basic point that, that forest is the one that is connected to Irene's Valley, Gonahl, the town with the Teresa and Clare statue and Riful's base. The way I see it between mountain and forest might be flatlands that don't have too many trees due to either lack of sunlight, or rockiness of the immediate area. I'm no expert on this stuff; that's just how I'd imagine it. So near the edge of the mountains you can build town ands roads without having to cut down too many trees. So that's why I think the town with the Teresa and Clare statue is near the mountains, and besides going to riful base would be a road going up mountain side.
I also don't think that Raki would've kept travelling, unless he is pretty stupid, since it makes more sense for him to stop and wait for Clare once he hits a town, instead of continuing to move away from her. I think Clare searched a few towns before getting there.
Anyway, nice map and reasoning.
Yes, we agree on those connections.
And if I had to pick one spot and call it the village of the Teresa and Claire statue, I'd go with the biggest ( indicated by the red arrow ) http://i33.tinypic.com/10qyr8w.jpg because the innkeeper told Claire that town was big. But it may very well be that those spots could be clearings or present rock formations. :p
I don't disagree that Beth wants to kill everything she sees.
The question is how strong is Headless-horse-man Beth?
1) Is she AO lvl?
2) Is she like the ZACS?
3) Is she #1 Claymore lvl?
4) Does the parasite have control over all of Beth power?
5) Is the Parasite using Beth power to enhance its own power?
We don't know.
We know that the parasite is feeding on Beth, but we don't know how much stronger it is because of Beth. (The reason for the Parasite merging with Beth is to gain energy. If it does not it will die.)
Ok... I get what you were saying now. I thought you were saying she'd run out of juice and die, just like the HellCats do after 1/2 a day. Not that you were questioning her power level. I believe she is at least an above average AO.
The question is will she feed to recharge when needed or will she just keep attacking until she starves to death (due to her being fully awakened and using power it should happen much sooner then Priscilla's 7 year starvation...). I guess what I'm getting at who is the dominate one in the merger and how much do they dominate the merger.
Not like it matter though, she is up against Priscilla... :heh: So unless one of them flees, they ignore each other, or Priscilla loses (I didn't say die) we won't find out what Beth is like... long term.
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 14:32
I think it's fair to say that Beth is Abyssal now, at least. She is Alicia's twin and the odds of both of them being No.1 potential is much more then Rafaela and Luciella. In her supercharged Awakened form....their's no way she isn't Abyssal.
Only problem is, maybe she's too strong that way and Raciella's forces are too slanted. Of course, if Priscilla kills Beth, scratch that.
Awakened
2009-10-30, 14:34
Ok... I get what you were saying now. I thought you were saying she'd run out of juice and die, just like the HellCats do after 1/2 a day. Not that you were questioning her power level. I believe she is at least an above average AO.
The question is will she feed to recharge when needed or will she just keep attacking until she starves to death (due to her being fully awakened and using power it should happen much sooner then Priscilla's 7 year starvation...). I guess what I'm getting at who is the dominate one in the merger and how much do they dominate the merger.
Not like it matter though, she is up against Priscilla... :heh: So unless one of them flees, they ignore each other, or Priscilla loses (I didn't say die) we won't find out what Beth is like... long term.
I edited my post. I'm starting to agree with you that she is AO lvl.
MisterJB
2009-10-30, 14:36
Ah, a moderator with a Claymore set. This truly feels like a victory, doesn't it?
Ah, a moderator with a Claymore set. This truly feels like a victory, doesn't it?
Indeed! It is a victory! Even a moderator can't resist the goddess Teresa!
Ah, a moderator with a Claymore set. This truly feels like a victory, doesn't it?
I bust them out occasionally. *queues Victory Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLIg6WT7zM)*
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 15:38
Since their was only a quick translation(that's probably better then any worthless translator can do), I figured I might as well try to post bigger ones.
I didn't bother with Babelfish, one look and I didn't bother :heh:.
Claymore even now I'm fighting and fighting and Priscilla Beth is waking Rifuru is Alicia?
Alicia has been suffering Bikibiki burst suddenly feel like stab wounds to the trapped Todome Rifuru
Rifuru "I desperately妖気抑E込Mou and the awakening of the other other hand
The other half of the twins ... I have been battling away with something that big power "
Scene change
Priscilla has to shake this guy wake tattooing
Priscilla "Atashi no弱Tchii you interested in something"
不味Kattarashii a guy try to eat the skin of the Priscilla arousal
Priscilla "I'm hungry I is not much any of the missing baggage Ja Chi
During the many years been much much much more ... We were put up much Atashi
The help of a faint smell that man ... I still can barely get there today there
So I am not in the way something is not what interests you. "
Now the Cray moa [rihuru] fighting with the ant shear, [te] [purishira] fighting with awakening [besu], being the [ru], the [ru]?
[rihuru] being cornered, [todome] stick it may it becomes, but the ant shear becoming [bikibiki] suddenly, starts suffering [rihuru] which “you awaken and already desperately and it has been about you will hold down the ghostly air of one side where probably to be packed the fragment of the twins whom…That big power [te] something of the extent which it cannot control it fights, it is”
The [bo] [tsu] where [purishira] shakes the person who the scene changes and awakens it is dense [purishira], “the weak [tsu] [chi] it is and there is no interest the [a] is in your something to do” it tries eating the skin of the person whom [purishira] awakens but distasteful you applied, directly directly directly directly between… the no [purishira] which seems “is not enough the roughness [po] [tsu] [chi] is not enough at all and the inside to inhale probably will bend year thingYou have been patient is directly, the [a] it is to do, the faint smell of remaining in that man in depending…Therefore the [wa] which today at last can arrive to there without disturbing, as for me your many kana it is there is no interest”
Going by what Gene said, the man with the "faint smile" must be Raki.
:heh:, Raki is certainly moving up isn't he? Now he's being compared to Teresa :p :D
Riful seems desperate since she needs to heal, though according to the second translation, she's actually fighting.
It's possible Alicia may end up actually being a half-awakened.
Hard to say what's going on with Priscilla, is she talking with someone or is it just narration?
I also advise people to keep a look out for pictures, since we'll probably get one or two as always.
One more thing, since this is Gene we can trust it's accuracy, but both translations do not have a "next month" cliffhanger.
Aw.... so my prediction that Raki ate Priscilla was wrong? :(
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 15:52
Aw.... so my prediction that Raki ate Priscilla was wrong? :(
How embarrassing that I actually remember that :heh: :heh:
Negativedark
2009-10-30, 17:05
Aw.... so my prediction that Raki ate Priscilla was wrong? :(
It was a very silly prediction.
Shiek927
2009-10-30, 17:49
It was a very silly prediction.
Hehe, it was supposed to be funny ;):heh:
It's why I didn't bother posting babelfish, the stuff that pops out is crazy :eyespin:
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-30, 18:32
Google translations never fail to amuse me with sentences like "Priscilla has to shake this guy wake tattooing" and "不味Kattarashii a guy try to eat the skin of the Priscilla arousal" There's simply no end to how hilarious Google is.
Negativedark
2009-10-30, 20:13
I've found writing something up, then running it through and comparing what you get to be interesting. Here.
This is what it ended up bieng when I translated it from english to japanese.
麻美ゆまが麻美ゆまパンチベスちゃんに死を。 Galetea世界コンテストでlovelest尼僧を獲得します。舞田Clarices胸にラッチされま す。クレアようすた機関にグラブを得ることについて腹を立てされます。とプリシラ。
And here it is translated back into english.
"Death to the chan Panchibesu Yuma Asami Yuma Asami. Lovelest Galetea World contest will win a nun. Maita Clarices is latched into the chest. Are angry about getting to grab Star Claire institutions. And Priscilla."
What I actually wrote.
Yuma will Yuma Punch Beth kitty to death. Galetea will win the lovelest nun in the world contest. Maita will latch onto Clarices breasts. Claire will be so pissed about Raki getting grabbed by the Organization. And Priscilla.
See.
I've found writing something up, then running it through and comparing what you get to be interesting. Here.
This is what it ended up bieng when I translated it from english to japanese.
麻美ゆまが麻美ゆまパンチベスちゃんに死を。 Galetea世界コンテストでlovelest尼僧を獲得します。舞田Clarices胸にラッチされま す。クレアようすた機関にグラブを得ることについて腹を立てされます。とプリシラ。
And here it is translated back into english.
"Death to the chan Panchibesu Yuma Asami Yuma Asami. Lovelest Galetea World contest will win a nun. Maita Clarices is latched into the chest. Are angry about getting to grab Star Claire institutions. And Priscilla."
What I actually wrote.
Yuma will Yuma Punch Beth kitty to death. Galetea will win the lovelest nun in the world contest. Maita will latch onto Clarices breasts. Claire will be so pissed about Raki getting grabbed by the Organization. And Priscilla.
See.
LOL Nice Nice
Well... I just got the VIZ version of Volume 15. :D Which, was supposed to go on sale 11/3 (November 3rd) here in the USA... thankfully it wasn't a strict release date. So the bookstore gave me the email my copy had arrived and was ready for pick up. I was there in 15 minutes :p
I'm only 3/4rds of the way through it... so I have nothing but first impressions. I haven't even compared it, line by line, to other translations yet. Clearly they have fixed up a few errors that were on other translations and likely made some mistakes of there own. Likely conversations will flow better but be slightly less accurate.
I really liked Galatea's response to Miria mentioning the village that had never heard of a yoma, which I'll get to in a moment (well to me it sounded far colder then her response in other translations). In the VIZ version the village had never seen a Claymore or Yoma was was far to the west and not near the Org in the east. Also Miria herself was the one the villagers saw, so Miria didn't read a report but witnessed there reaction first hand. Which, whether or not is accurate to the RAW, make far more sense as to how it caused her to form her belief the Org made the Yoma. Now, in the translation on One Manga, after Miria tells everyone that Galatea line is far more like her Nun personality... Read for yourself...
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000045/000031791/22.jpg
However in the VIZ Version she's for a moment way more like her old self (IMHO)... saying "How foolish... It's just wild speculation based on the words of a bunch of villagers isolated from the rest of the world. It doesn't amount to a shred of proof." She called her idea "foolish," insulted some random villagers, and then called to question Miria's logic. Plus that pose her face is in... :heh: It really did remind me of the old Galatea... That's the Galatea from The Witches Maw and not Nun Galatea, IMHO.
I could go on and on... but I'll limit it to one more thing. Priscilla doesn't say "Are you picking on Raki" she says (your going to love this) "Are you BOTHERING Raki". :heh: Wow! If all it takes to get Priscilla to get ready to kill some one is to BOTHER Raki rather then picking on Raki... then Raki's gotta have been constantly stopping her these past 7 years from killing people. :heh:
Now back to waiting for Chapter 97 :( and reading Volume 15. :D
EDIT: Volume 16 comes out June 2010... Damn, I was hoping for a spring release.
SagaraSouske
2009-10-30, 23:39
Spoiler from Gene@tss
今クレイモアはリフルがアリシアと戦っててプリシラが覚醒ベスと戦ってるであってるの?
リフルが追い詰められてトドメを刺されそうになるが急にアリシアがビキビキなって苦しみだす
リフル「覚醒したもういっぽうの妖気を必死に抑え込もうとしてる
双子の片割れが…制御できないほどの大きな力て何かと戦っているんだ」
場面変わる
覚醒したやつをプリシラがふるぼっこ
プリシラ「弱っちいあなたなんかに 興味ないのあたし」
プリシラが覚醒したやつの皮膚を食べてみるが不味かったらしい
プリシラ「足りないの あれぽっちじゃ全然足りないの おなかがすいたわ
もうずっとずっとずっとずっと何年ものあいだ…ずっと我慢してたのよ あたし
あの男に残る微かな匂いを頼りに…今日やっとそこへ辿り着くことができるわ
だから邪魔をしないで わたしはあなたなんかなんの興味もないの」
Looks like Alicia is still trying really hard (possibly with help of Beth) to "unawaken" herself while Riful sits there and wonder "oh what the hell is going on."
Priscilla, now in her awaken form, meets Beth the Kitty while looking for Raki. She is also very hungry.
Currently in Claymore, it looks like there is a battle between Alicia and Ritful as well as Priscilla vs Awakened Beth.
Alicia was chasing Ritful suddenly display painful expressions.
Ritful: "Trying your best to control the other youki that has already awakened, you bond with your twin is strong... But that power which you cannot control is fighting someone."
Scene change to Awakened Beth and Priscilla.
Priscilla: "I am not interested in a weakling like you."
Priscilla took a bite at a piece of Awakened Beth's flesh and found it awful.
Priscilla: "It's not enough. Something like this is not nearly enough. You taste horrible. It has been a very, very, very long time since I last feasted. I have been holding back my hunger all this time. I didn't want to betray the wishes of that man made with his last smile. Now that I almost reached my destination. Please do not get in my way. I have no interest in you at all.
Currently in Claymore, it looks like there is a battle between Alicia and Ritful as well as Priscilla vs Awakened Beth.
Alicia was chasing Ritful suddenly display painful expressions.
Ritful: "Trying your best to control the other youki that has already awakened, you bond with your twin is strong... But that power which you cannot control is fighting someone."
Scene change to Awakened Beth and Priscilla.
Priscilla: "I am not interested in a weakling like you."
Priscilla took a bite at a piece of Awakened Beth's flesh and found it awful.
Priscilla: "It's not enough. Something like this is not nearly enough. You taste horrible. It has been a very, very, very long time since I last feasted. I have been holding back my hunger all this time. I didn't want to betray the wishes of that man made with his last smile. Now that I almost reached my destination. Please do not get in my way. I have no interest in you at all.
http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png Does that mean Priscilla is back to being a standard AB mentally (but beyond an AO power level wise)? or still holding on to some form of her humanity? http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png
http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png The suspense is killing me! http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png
Priscilla must have finally came to her senses and got out from under the grasp of Raki, aka. the smooth operator. So now she can put some food in that stomach and commence laying the smack down on the surrounding parties. Sounds like fun. If it's real of course. Is that spoiler real?
little_angel
2009-10-31, 00:30
hi all ..
i found this spoiler :
今クレイモアはリフルがアリシアと戦っててプリシラが覚醒ベスと戦ってるであってるの?
リフルが追い诘められてトドメを刺されそうになるが急にアリシアがビキビキなって苦しみだす
リフル「覚醒したもういっぽうの妖気を必死に抑え込もうとしてる
双子の片割れが…制御できないほどの大きな力て何かと戦っているんだ」
场面変わる
覚醒したやつをプリシラがふるぼっこ
プリシラ「弱っちいあなたなんかに 兴味ないのあたし」
プリシラが覚醒したやつの皮肤を食べてみるが不味かったらしい
プリシラ「足りないの あれぽっちじゃ全然足りないの おなかがすいたわ
もうずっとずっとずっとずっと何年ものあいだ…ずっと我慢してたのよ あたし
あの男に残る微かな匂いを頼りに…今日やっとそこへ辿り着くことができるわ
だから邪魔をしないで わたしはあなたなんかなんの兴味もないの」
;=================我是谁信谁死的吐槽大意乱翻==================
萌萌尔鸣应援~
新一话的claymore是riful和alicia,觉醒了的Pri和暴走的beth的遭遇 战?
riful快要被追杀的走投无路之际大黑突然哔哩哔哩[XD]变得痛苦起来
riful内心“...将觉醒后强大妖气单方面加以控制的..双子的另一半....(好像)正在用某种自己 也无法控制住的可怕力量同什麽战斗着”
[场景转换]
小普~变身!
小普:啊啊~~不行啊,完全不行啊~~太弱了,我对那样的...才...才没有兴趣!
小普把觉醒了的家伙的皮撕下来试吃了口,但是好像味道不怎麽样
小普纷纷[?XD]表示这麽一点点实在不够,自己还是很饿
「啊啊~人家已经忍了好久好久好久...没有吃了,一分一秒都不能再忍耐了><」
「靠着那人残留的那一点点男人味[大误].....今天才终于能够找到那裏....」
「所以请不要妨碍人家哟~~ 对...对你....我,我可是一点兴趣都没有!!」
有道是
西Lo身逢绝境,绝杀王牌却临阵失控
普妹欲寻拿基,胆大比茜竟自寻死路
激战!claymore97话!
google translation :
ThisクReiモアはリフルシがアリアっててと戦シラが覚プリPeterベスと戦であってってru ru no?
リフルがいscold chase & Suitesドめられてthornメをうにされ¤ ni naru ga urgentアアリシがBldgキBldgキNatte bitterしみだす
リフル"覚awakeしたもういっぽu no mortal demonに気をえmagomeもうとsuppression shiteru
Twinのfilm cutting system of imperialれが...できないほどの大きて何かなと戦forceっているんだ"
Scene変wa ru
覚wakeつをしたやプリシラがふるっこぼ
プリシラ"weakっちいAnata interestingなんかにしないのあた"
プリシラがしたや覚awake skinつのをべてみru ga food does not taste Piano Trioたらしい
プリシラ"foot riないのあれっちじゃぽcompletely full ri naないのおかがすいたわ
もうずっっとずとずとずっっとのyear inもあいずっとだ... I slowlyしてたのよあたし
MaleにあのかなBi micro-residual ruいを頼ri ... todayやにっこへと¤ Chan ku ri a ruことができわ
Dakara demonをしたしないでわwa anataなんかなんのinterestingもないの"
Who am I Who ;================= letter to the effect the death of Tu Cao shuffle ==================
Er Ming Ying Meng Meng Yuan ~
The claymore is a new one if riful and alicia, awakened the Pri and runaway beth encounters?
riful about to be driven against the wall to kill the occasion of big black suddenly beep beep mile mile [XD] up to become painful
riful heart, "... will be awakened after the unilateral control of a strong Yaoqi .. the other half of the twin ....( like) are using some kind of their own can not control the awesome power of what the fight with the"
[Scene change]
Small & P ~ Bianshen!
Small & P: ah ah ~ ~ No, ah, ah ~ ~ too weak to completely impossible, and I like that ... it ... was not interested!
Small & Poor's put the guy awakened to try to eat the skin torn off his mouth, but it seems to taste less like
Small & P have [? XD] says so little is not enough, she was still hungry
"Ah ah ~ people have tolerance for a long time long long time ... do not eat a single minute can no longer tolerate the" ""
"Relying on that person in that little residual masculinity []..... big mistake today was finally able to find there ...."
"So please do not obstruct others yo ~ ~ right ... you .... me, but I do not have the slightest interest!!"
There is a saying
West Lo body every desperate, but ultimately opted out of control Juesha ace
Pu-mei want to look for to take the base, bold Qian went so far as the kiss of death than
Fighting! claymore97 words!
Priscilla must have finally came to her senses and got out from under the grasp of Raki, aka. the smooth operator. So now she can put some food in that stomach and commence laying the smack down on the surrounding parties. Sounds like fun. If it's real of course. Is that spoiler real?
If it is true... I'm hoping TSS will make a gorgeous Priscilla pic. :D
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 00:38
Priscilla: "I am not interested in a weakling like you."
@Shieky: See Shieky, like I said the likes of Alicia, Beth, Riful, Isley, and Luciella don't stand a chance against Priscilla, even weakened. Her and Teresa were on a whole other Tier compared to other number 1's. I think Raciella may or may not be more powerful than Priscilla, but a run of the muck abyssal, never. :D
@Shieky: See Shieky, like I said the likes of Alicia, Beth, Riful, Isley, and Luciella don't stand a chance against Priscilla, even weakened. Her and Teresa were on a whole other Tier compared to other number 1's. I think Raciella may or may not be more powerful than Priscilla, but a run of the muck abyssal, never. :D
Duh, Raciella will keep firing those spears until she is stopped, so that seems to be the highest priority at the moment. Riful herself admitted that Raciella was already as strong as her, and her power was stil rising, so that only leaves Priscilla.
Still, she wouldn't be as hungry if she had stayed with Raki.
*Retrieval team move to take Raki*
Priscilla : Are you picking on Raki?
Dae (smugly): What are you going to do about it little girl? (famous last words)
*Ten seconds later, Raki is once again the only surviving human in the area*
Priscilla (wiping her mouth): That tasted awful
The raw has been released.
Alicia vs Riful.
Alicia was able to cut off two of Riful's limbs when she managed to get through her hair ribbons. Riful is crying and Duaf is holding onto Alicia's leg then she begins showing signs of pain then the chapter goes to Beth.
Beth Kitty vs Priscilla.
Priscilla rips Beths torso off of the kitty then begins eating out of the area where the torso was. Doesn't seem like the kitty stands a chance.
wow, Priscilla looks like Raki's sister, lol
Blablabla
2009-10-31, 04:55
oh yeah... Pri-chan for the win :cool:
So basically a fighting chapter with 2 massacres. Riful seems to be out of solutions and it may the first time that we get to see her THAT angry (a spoiler ahead says she is crying, but that's rage tears she has). Maybe she will take advantage of Alicia's distraction and unexpected weakness caused what's happening to Beth. Maybe she will leave and try to give a hand to her sister (and get destroyed by Pri'chan).
tunjee01
2009-10-31, 05:54
just finished checking it out. Alicia cut off riful's leg and priscilla is a monster. she beat beth in human form.
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 05:54
Japanese raw is released very quick this month!
ZOMG! Is it wrong for me to think that Prissy is so KICK ASS!!! :D
Ho, interesting chapter, didn't expect that. I was prepared to get another disappointing chapter but fortunately it's great. I wonder how come Alicia came back to her human form? It seems that Beth somehow managed to bring her back (I doubt Alicia awakened, otherwise she would rather fight in her awakened form). But if it is so then why did Alicia kill AE? I thought she snapped. Now she's attacking Riful anyway. It will be interesting to see how will she react now that Beth is gone. The best part of the chapter is the one with Priscilla though. She's back to her "real" self, the one that we've seen after she killed Teresa and the one I want to be killed by Clare. Somehow she's immune to the parasites and she can even eat them (unless she dug into Beth's intestines).
Waha! Alicia totally wiped the floor with Riful. In Claymore form! What a disgrace! haha.
Why don't we just have her dead already? she outlived her course.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 06:12
There are spoiler images in there, so beware.
What an awesome chapter. I can't wait for translation.
I love Alicia so much, rigth now. :love::love:
Also...
http://i36.tinypic.com/ebc17d.png
http://i36.tinypic.com/21n4g9j.png
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
WTF, crying? I think she's the first Awakened Being in this manga to cry. Good thing Alicia is taking care of Riful, good thing.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Damn, I really tought that Dauf was going to die this time. Maybe next chapter.
Also, since Priscilla is kicking Beth's fine ass, I think it's safe to assume that she is nowhere near AO level. Priscilla could be more focused now, tough.
At least Riful poved that she deserved the AO spot.
Waha! Alicia totally wiped the floor with Riful. In Claymore form! What a disgrace! haha.
Why don't we just have her dead already? she outlived her course.
This.
We need translation and we need it fast! :D
Priscilla has grown back!
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 06:23
Scene change to Awakened Beth and Priscilla.
Priscilla: "I am not interested in a weakling like you."
Priscilla took a bite at a piece of Awakened Beth's flesh and found it awful.
Priscilla: "It's not enough. Something like this is not nearly enough. You taste horrible. It has been a very, very, very long time since I last feasted. I have been holding back my hunger all this time. I didn't want to betray the wishes of that man made with his last smile. Now that I almost reached my destination. Please do not get in my way. I have no interest in you at all.
Prissy :love: that line is so hot :love:!! we :love: you too much !!! :love:
Please feed yourself with anything that you wish !!! :love:
http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png Does that mean Priscilla is back to being a standard AB mentally (but beyond an AO power level wise)? or still holding on to some form of her humanity? http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png
http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png The suspense is killing me! http://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.pnghttp://i30.tinypic.com/rlz4ib.png
Oh ! :heh: and if you don't have enough, we can always lay Ryus in your hands :heh:
Prissy :love: that line is so hot :love:!! we :love: you too much !!! :love:
Please feed yourself with anything that you wish !!! :love:
Who's we? I don't like her. I'm waiting for her to die already :P.
Also, since Priscilla is kicking Beth's fine ass, I think it's safe to assume that she is nowhere near AO level. Priscilla could be more focused now, tough.
At least Riful poved that she deserved the AO spot.
Are you kidding? The fact that Priscilla is doing it while looking like she's bored only makes it more awesome. After all this time getting used to cute chibi-Prissy, this is a perfect reminder of WHY Priscilla is the most dangerous monster.
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 06:35
Who's we? I don't like her. I'm waiting for her to die already :P.
:heh: then that would mean Prissy's fanboy n fangirl against you Gooral :heh:
At least we have a vewwy vewwy guuud entertainment from Prissy upfront :kisskiss:
Another victim has been lured out :heh:
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 06:38
Are you kidding? The fact that Priscilla is doing it while looking like she's bored only makes it more awesome. After all this time getting used to cute chibi-Prissy, this is a perfect reminder of WHY Priscilla is the most dangerous monster.
You misunderstood, I meant that she could be more focused now (in killing/eating Beth) than she was when she fougth Isley.
You misunderstood, I meant that she could be more focused now (in killing/eating Beth) than she was when she fougth Isley.
Ah, sorry.
I'm not sure about killing Beth though. Apparently, Priscilla sees her more as a (minor) obstacle in her way. I'm more curious about the destination she is so intent on reaching, or the promise she mentions.
Need HQ scan T_T. Oh ye, and coloring too
http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/091031/thumbs/Wm5F5UeVMT.jpg (http://ipicture.ru/Gallery/Viewfull/25916138.html)
I love Alicia so much, rigth now. :love::love:
I had no doubt about that. :D
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
WTF, crying? I think she's the first Awakened Being in this manga to cry.
Priscilla cried in ES 3. Unless you consider Extra Scenes as side stories, then yes. ( Edit: Dauf cries too :heh: )
Alicia getting infected via the soul link and probably becoming AliciaCat. In this case Riful is so doomed... when I saw Duff holding Alicia's ankle I wanted Riful to attack her... :(
There's no limit to the awesomeness of this manga. :love: Nonchalant Prissy was priceless. :love:
Priscilla being immune to the projectiles means she's way stronger than Raciella and could kill her easily in her AB form.
Another chapter without knowing about Renée's fate though...
Prissy :love: that line is so hot :love:!! we :love: you too much !!! :love:
Please feed yourself with anything that you wish !!! :love:
Oh ! :heh: and if you don't have enough, we can always lay Ryus in your hands :heh:
yous is funny response...hehe
I think Prissy rocks balls in this chapter.. Freaking powerful
If Alicia = Beth in power
Alicia pwned Ritful
Pris pawned Mutant Beth (no sweat..)
therefore Pris pwn Ritful deep deep
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 08:04
There are spoiler images in there, so beware.
What an awesome chapter. I can't wait for translation.
I love Alicia so much, rigth now. :love::love:
Also...
http://i36.tinypic.com/ebc17d.png
http://i36.tinypic.com/21n4g9j.png
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
WTF, crying? I think she's the first Awakened Being in this manga to cry. Good thing Alicia is taking care of Riful, good thing.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Damn, I really tought that Dauf was going to die this time. Maybe next chapter.
Also, since Priscilla is kicking Beth's fine ass, I think it's safe to assume that she is nowhere near AO level. Priscilla could be more focused now, tough.
At least Riful poved that she deserved the AO spot.
This.
uhhm :nono: no picking on Riful :nono:
yous is funny response...hehe
I think Prissy rocks balls in this chapter.. Freaking powerful
If Alicia = Beth in power
Alicia pwned Ritful
Pris pawned Mutant Beth (no sweat..)
therefore Pris pwn Ritful deep deep
oh ! :heh: Riful always has her ways with men :heh:... it's no surprise :heh:
I... truly can't pick between Riful, Prissy, Ophelia and Agatha :heh: they should have been nice to each other... :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 08:07
Awesome Chapter. Lots of actions. JB is happy; though I can't blame Riful for crying, considering how much damage she has already taken from the ZACS, Alicia, Raciella, ZACS again, and finally Alicia again. We haven't seen an Abyssal go through that much in a short time span before, and she keeps fighting. BTW, there is no reason for using spoiler tags in the current chapter thread. The thread itself is a big spoiler tag if you haven't read the chapter yet.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1899/ch971.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/ch971.jpg/)
Riful keeps fighting despite heavy damage.
http://i34.tinypic.com/2q1aukz.jpg
Alicia losing controlled, she may still be linked to her sister emotionally.
http://i33.tinypic.com/1zlqag6.jpg
Beth Kitty
http://i34.tinypic.com/nnml9g.jpg
Prissy totally toys with the new Bad Ass Abyssal created last weak.
She was Brutal.
http://i38.tinypic.com/29y4big.jpg
uhhm :nono: no picking on Riful :nono:
oh ! :heh: Riful always has her ways with men :heh:... it's no surprise :heh:
I... truly can't pick between Riful, Prissy, Ophelia and Agatha :heh: they should have been nice to each other... :heh:
LOL......hahahahahaha
Awesome Chapter. Lots of actions. JB is happy; though I can't blame Riful for crying, considering how much damager she has already taken from the ZACS, Alicia, Raciella, ZACS again, and finally Alicia again. We haven't seen an Abyssal go through that much in a short time span before, and she keeps fighting. BTW, there is no reason for using spoiler tags in the current chapter thread. The thread itself is a big spoiler tag if you haven't read the chapter yet.
Prissy totally toys with the new Bad Ass Abyssal created last weak.
She was Brutal.
Thank you.. Wonderful ...
If I were Ritful ... I definitely one hundred percent guarantee will take the opportunity to kill Alicia off !! Time for Vengence !! hehe
BTW... who's JB ?
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 08:30
BTW, anyone notices how much cooler Priscilla is without Raki. Hanging with Raki takes away coolness points to your character. ;) it's a new RPG rule. :heh:
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 08:45
uhhm :nono: no picking on Riful :nono:
Riful is a crybaby. Crybaby, crybaby.
An Abyssal One crying because she is getting her ass whooped. This is just sad.
BTW... who's JB ?
The guy who is about to enter in your house wearing a pig mask and holding a syringe.
Do you want to play a game?
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 08:47
Riful is a crybaby. Crybaby, crybaby.
An Abyssal One crying because she is getting her ass whooped. This is just sad.
:rolleyes:
Thank you.. Wonderful ...
If I were Ritful ... I definitely one hundred percent guarantee will take the opportunity to kill Alicia off !! Time for Vengence !! hehe
BTW... who's JB ?
Look JB, you're spectacular aura is not quite that famous yet :heh:
The guy who is about to enter in your house wearing a pig mask and holding a syring.
Do you want to play a game?
I believe that was not the question asked.... :heh:
And to think Yagi drew Riful this way... :upset:
He's not being loyal :frustrated:
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 08:54
And to think Yagi drew Riful this way... :upset:
He's not being loyal :frustrated:
Being loyal? He is simply showying who Riful truly is.
A crybaby.
Soon she'll be on her knees, begging for Alicia to spare her life.
BTW, as much as I loved Priscilla in this chapter, I gotta admit I'm a little pissed off. If she had waited just a miserable second to attack Beth, Dauf would be dead now.
I believe that was not the question asked.... :heh:
Well, what else was I supossed to say?:heh:
Hi, I am JB. Self-proclaimed Miria and Rigardo's number #1 fan?
That's not intimidating. :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 09:01
Being loyal? He is simply showying who Riful truly is.
A crybaby.
Soon she'll be on her knees, begging for Alicia to spare her life.
BTW, as much as I loved Priscilla in this chapter, I gotta admit I'm a little pissed off. If she had waited just a miserable second to attack Beth, Dauf would be dead now.
Heh or maybe, it is still possible that the Spanksta wasn't wrong last time, and Alicia still might join Riful, or it is evil possible that Alicia will die before Riful if one of those two dies in the next few chapter.
1) Beth as her last act, restored Alicia back to her Claymore state, and Alicia the Claymore went back to following the organizations orders. But the question is: Is Alicia the Claymore the same as Alicia the awakened? If Alicia awakens her mind set will be completely different. So, there is still a chance that Riful and Alicia join up, though the chance has gotten a bit slimmer.
2) Alicia is still emotionally connected to her sister I think. So if Priscilla starts to kill Beth, it could give Alicia the migraine from hell, and Riful as a fake spoiler suggested could take advantage.
:) Now there is something for you to admit though: Admit how much cooler Priscilla is without Raki. :D
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 09:03
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/avatars/avatar87006_99.gif
BTW, whats with the Avatar? It looks like a Sith Reject. :heh: You've become Revan's new apprentice, since Cyclone would never accept the job after Reven said Miria is smarter than Galatea. :heh:
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 09:10
Ok, then. Priscilla is much cooler when she's not around someone as cool and powerful as Raki and has to defend herself.
Therefore, we reach the conclusion that Priscilla's coolness doesn't shine often because Raki is much brigther and blindes her.
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/avatars/avatar87006_99.gif
BTW, whats with the Avatar? It looks like a Sith Reject. :heh: You've become Revan's new apprentice, since Cyclone would never accept the job after Reven said Miria is smarter than Galatea. :heh:
You don't know who John Kramer is? Jigsaw?:uhoh::twitch::eyebrow:
Pffft, like I would ever be someone's apprentice.
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 09:10
Oh NOES !! JB has finally risen out from the abyss !! :heh:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 09:17
Ok, then. Priscilla is much cooler when she's not around someone as cool and powerful as Raki and has to defend herself.
Therefore, we reach the conclusion that Priscilla's coolness doesn't shine often because Raki is much brigther and blindes her.
Nah it is more like as if you were to stand next to Shieky, your coolness level would drop because he's a goody-two-shoes. Would Clare have cut off Yuma's leg with Raki around? :heh: See, he gets everyone to behave and live by his morals. :upset:
You don't know who John Kramer is? Jigsaw?:uhoh::twitch::eyebrow:
Pffft, like I would ever be someone's apprentice.
Well in that pic he looks like one of those cheap Star Wars characters from the reject bin. :D
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 09:24
Nah it is more like as if you were to stand next to Shieky, your coolness level would drop because he's a goody-two-shoes. Would Clare have cut off Yuma's leg with Raki around? :heh: See, he gets everyone to behave and live by his morals. :upset:
No, Clare would no have done that because Raki would have chopped off Dauf's hand.
Ok, he will be able to do that after those projectiles and the Organization turn him into something else.
Well in that pic he looks like one of those cheap Star Wars characters from the reject bin. :D
SAW franchise beats Star Wars any day of the week.
Ok, then. Priscilla is much cooler when she's not around someone as cool and powerful as Raki and has to defend herself.
Therefore, we reach the conclusion that Priscilla's coolness doesn't shine often because Raki is much brigther and blinds her.
Hmmmm...I guess I never really thought of Priscilla as cool. Sadistic and hungry came to mind, but not "cool".
You don't know who John Kramer is? Jigsaw?:uhoh::twitch::eyebrow:
Pffft, like I would ever be someone's apprentice.
Spoken like a true Sith apprentice. As everyone can see, JB clearly has the right skills, but has yet to top me. Like all apprentices, he doesn't admit readily to being one, and also like all Sith apprentices he is obsessed with being his own boss. Well done JB, you've learned your lessons very well! I like to think of you and Cyclone as my two prospective successors...should I leave the forum (for whatever reason) you two can duke it out over being the site's Dark Lord.
That way I don't have to have an official apprentice and merit will ensure the strongest survives. :rolleyes:
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 09:36
http://www.elfonlyinn.net/comics/eoi20020627.jpg (http://www.elfonlyinn.net/d/20020627.html)
:heh:
yezhanquan
2009-10-31, 09:39
Sith? Who wants to be a Sith apprentice where you can sell your soul to Lucifer, the Angel of Light?
P.S. This Lucifer is the one from Yuki Kaori's Angel Sanctuary. Part cyborg, part angel, but 100% cool BadAss.
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 09:41
Hmmmm...I guess I never really thought of Priscilla as cool. Sadistic and hungry came to mind, but not "cool".
:nono: of course not, Revan
You clearly getting it the wrong way :nono:
http://i35.tinypic.com/28layz5.jpg
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 09:43
Woah, Prissy looks beautiful in that shot. I hadn't noticed. Forgive me Teresa, forgive me... :upset:
Galatea33
2009-10-31, 09:50
It's Prissy of the faint eyes :heh:
Woah, Prissy looks beautiful in that shot. I hadn't noticed. Forgive me Teresa, forgive me... :upset:
hahahahahhha
yezhanquan
2009-10-31, 10:08
Or could it be that *gasp* Priscilla is growing a brain?
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 10:12
As everyone can see, JB clearly has the right skills, but has yet to top me.
...I don't know whether to feel flatered or insulted.
I suppose I can play along with this.
I like to think of you and Cyclone as my two prospective successors...should I leave the forum (for whatever reason) you two can duke it out over being the site's Dark Lord.
Well then, I can't wait to see who will have the pleasure of stabbing you in the back, master:rolleyes:.
Gangsta, spoiler tag that. Way off-topic.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 10:26
And as usual, why do ALL the cool stuff happen while I"m asleep? Does TSS like to mess with me by living on the otherside of the planet? -_- :heh:
So is the RAW out yet? or just photos?
Still a little confused on exactly what is going on, but it looks like Alicia is snapping out of her little trance or whatever and attacking her. I'm guessing the time-span we saw in-between 95 and 97, she was trying to control herself. Looks like it's not working.
Why is Riful crying though? Is it because Dauf is dead? If that's the case, doesn't bother me one bit, I'm crying tears of joy! XDXDXD
Wow!!, suddenly I feel ashamed by underestimating our fallen angel, or rather overestimating Beth. Her flawless victory makes me think of what Ryus said by her power being much more then Super. I think MisterJB will be happy that it appears she has given in to her AB side and is transforming back into the sadistic personality she had when she first awakened.
But what does this mean? Was Beth not a AO after all? or was Priscilla's starvation not as weak as I thought? could be both.
I'm shocked actually. I was honestly expecting this to be an all-conversation chapter time, and I wouldn't have minded. This Halloween is off to a good start :D
:nono: of course not, Revan
You clearly getting it the wrong way :nono:
http://i35.tinypic.com/28layz5.jpg
Woah, Prissy looks beautiful in that shot. I hadn't noticed. Forgive me Teresa, forgive me... :upset:
Holy crap...I have just seen some spoilers, and due to my not-so-great computer skills and my general wish to keep my account, I'm going to avoid revealing where I found them on the thread.
Anyways, let me sum up a little of the chapter for you.
It opens with Alicia completing her de-awakening process and attacking Riful. Alicia as it turns out is a real powerhouse even when she's not in her awakened form! Riful fans will have to bear with me as I describe her fate. Our Lady of Asskicking (Alicia) proceeds to school the oldest (and only) living Abyssal in the arts of getting her limbs hacked off.
Riful managed to keep Alicia's blade away for awhile, but in the end couldn't stop her and winds up losing her other arm and half of her right leg. Then, just when MisterJB's hopes of killing off the Lolita warrior are highest, Dauf grabs Alicia's leg before she executes Riful. He says something while Riful cries and something amazing happens...Alicia stops the attack and finds tears streaming down her face. It appears that Alicia may have detected what has happened to her twin sister Beth...or perhaps not. I'm sure Cyclone will have an interesting translation analysis on every key moment.
This next part is going to disappoint people...but there's nothing about Yuma or Cynthia I can see in the chapter spoiler pictures anywhere. Instead Priscilla dukes it out with Bethcat, tears Beth's torso off the creature, and then replenishes herself by eating off of the top of the Abyssal Hellcat. Priscilla appears to have regained much of her adult (human) form, and even grows out a scintillating set of proto-wings. But then she jumps off and is faced with one hell of an angry animal.
And that's where the chapter ends...
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 10:33
The RAW has been out for some time now.
The RAW has been out for some time now.
Well excuse me if I don't want to get myself shot off the forum and replaced by you JB for talking about that too much. ;)
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 10:38
Well excuse me if I don't want to get myself shot off the forum and replaced by you JB for talking about that too much. ;)
Oh pipe down Revan, he's just telling me the fact, he's not putting it up for all too see :heh:
I haven't seen the raw yet, but Priscilla...looks older. Too no surprise, the feeding has made her grown up again, but
she looks older then she did when she first met Raki, she actually looks like an adult :O
Wonder about the possibility of Claire feeling her energy, but she's probably suppressing as usual.
Looks like everyone was right about her probably going after Raciella, but if she's feeding and at full strength again....she can actually win :D
http://i34.tinypic.com/nnml9g.jpg
Prissy totally toys with the new Bad Ass Abyssal created last weak.
She was Brutal.
http://i38.tinypic.com/29y4big.jpg
Damn, I think these are the two coolest pics of Priscilla in this chapter. Bonus points for moving so fast Cat-Beth stabbed herself, not even Miria ever did that.
:) Now there is something for you to admit though: Admit how much cooler Priscilla is without Raki. :D
The increase in cool factor is countered by the drop in cuteness. Cue to this blank expression, I already miss that moe smile from chapter 81. Now she's back to being a monster who would sooner eat out your guts.
And BTW, by analogy, does that mean you think Teresa was cooler without Clare?
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 10:46
Looks like everyone was right about her probably going after Raciella, but if she's feeding and at full strength again....she can actually win :D
Doubtfull, The Destroyer defeated an Abyssal One with nothing more than a few projectiles (a crybaby of an AO). Not even Priscilla can do that.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 10:50
Doubtfull, The Destroyer defeated an Abyssal One with nothing more than a few projectiles (a crybaby of an AO). Not even Priscilla can do that.
She was not "defeated", she is still alive, and was being fought by two forces at the same time, not to mention those rods were from a being that's Super at the most(2xAO).
Priscilla on the other hand could very well be 3xAO or even 4xAO not that she's got her strength back.
From the part that Sagara translated it looks that even now Priscilla still is able to keep traces of sanity, and she still cares about Raki. Sad thing is she is conviced that Raki is dead or dying. Considering what happened to him Prissy is right.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 10:56
Priscilla on the other hand could very well be 3xAO or even 4xAO not that she's got her strength back.
Or maybe, HellCath Beth is simply not Abyssal level.
Also, I never believed that starvation diminished Priscilla's power.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 11:26
Or maybe, HellCath Beth is simply not Abyssal level.
Also, I never believed that starvation diminished Priscilla's power.
You know what I think it is?
All of us, me at least(:heh:), got the idea that when Beth was infected, her power went up, because she had that monstrous cool-looking transformation.
Truthfully, what proof is there that when she is infected, or anybody is, that their power goes up?
If anything, the rod is draining her to power itself, so while Beth has a bizarre cool-looking infected hybrid look, she actually isn't gaining strength and is probably getting weaker.
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 11:30
Don't forget that Prissy is about 2xAbyssal or more than that. It's no surprise that Beth is no match for her whether she is weaker or not. At least this chapter makes it clear that Prissy is still at the top of the food chain besides Raciella. ;)
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 11:31
You know what I think it is?
All of us, me at least(:heh:), got the idea that when Beth was infected, her power went up, because she had that monstrous cool-looking transformation.
Truthfully, what proof is there that when she is infected, or anybody is, that their power goes up?
If anything, the rod is draining her to power itself, so while Beth has a bizarre cool-looking infected hybrid look, she actually isn't gaining strength and is probably getting weaker.
Even if the Rods don't get attached to anything, they will still turn into HellCats. So, I see no reason to not believe that the power of HellCat Beth is the power of Awakened Beth and the power of a normal HellCat.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 11:35
Don't forget that Prissy is about 2xAbyssal or more than that. It's no surprise that Beth is no match for her whether she is weaker or not. At least this chapter makes it clear that Prissy is still at the top of the food chain besides Raciella. ;)
Well, If Beth really wasn't as strong as we thought she was, it doesn't matter. However, if she really is 3x or 4x as Ryus believed, Raciella doesn't stand a chance :D :D :D
And even though it's been my thought-process to believe she is only 2x for so long, I'm inclined to agree with him on his points(strength to surpass Teresa, full exponential growth etc). I think the odds of her being much stronger then just 2xAO like Raciella are pretty high :D
Even if the Rods don't get attached to anything, they will still turn into HellCats. So, I see no reason to not believe that the power of HellCat Beth is the power of Awakened Beth and the power of a normal HellCat.
Right, so Beth's power is the same as it always one, Abyssal-level and not a step further.
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 11:48
I think that Riful is really cool despite being humiliated badly.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1899/ch971.jpg
Never give up and keep standing. That's the spirit! :love:
ShiroiRyu
2009-10-31, 11:48
Priscilla is so hot and cool.
The scanlations is out. :)
But really loved this chapter !
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 11:51
Priscilla is so hot and cool.
The scanlations is out.
But really loved this chapter !
Hehe, you and me are gonna get along just fine :p :heh:
It's by "Red Hawk Scanlations":confused:
Never heard of these guys before; guess we'll have to wait and see if they are accurate.
Amazing that the scanlation comes out before the translation :heh:
Even stranger is the speed, the raw and the scanlation came out on the same day :heh:
And it's not even the first of the month!
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 11:55
Priscilla is so hot and cool.
The scanlations is out. :)
But really loved this chapter !
Do you mean English scanlation and not just a raw? Wow! Things go really fast this time. It's a new record that two chapters are released in the same month. :D
But that also means that no release for next month. (゚Д゚)
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 11:56
Never give up and keep standing. That's the spirit! :love:
And then, cry your eyes out. Maybe the opponent will feel pity and spare your life.
Wow, scanlations already? Nice.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 11:57
Do you mean English scanlation and not just a raw? Wow! Things go really fast this time. It's a new record that two chapters are released in the same month. :D
But that also means that no release for next month. (゚Д゚)
Two chapters? are you talking about another manga?
And what are you talking about? of course theirs a new chapter next month, like always.
ROFLMAO at the scanlation: Slash Down Evil!! :heh::eyespin:
irvinethearcher
2009-10-31, 12:09
1.We can see now that an AO is nothing that a "little baby" before priscilla, as i supposed.
2. We see that we couldn't trust that bitch. In the end it will be clare's destiny to stop her.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 12:10
ROFLMAO at the scanlation: Slash Down Evil!! :heh::eyespin:
LOL at the people who said Riful was a friendly Awakened Being.
http://i34.tinypic.com/zxkv1l.png
Yes...yes. Just a little more...just a little further. It's almost done.:D:D:D:D:D
I'm actually amazed at Dauf. He made his hand grow back in an instant.
Also, according to page 16, Beth was still controlling Alicia's Yoki even after Awakening.:twitch: That's pretty awesome.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 12:12
Reading in-depth, Priscilla seems...inpenetrable to Beth's attacks which, looking at it, could also be the Rods.
Therefore, I think the odds of her being damaged and infected during what happened are the town are nil. Despite her starvation, I don't think she really ever lost any strength at all.
In other words, if she was never in any physical personal danger during the battle, we can check that off the list of possible reasons why she left Raki. She killed the Rod Monsters and fled, possibly losing control of herself and eating Beth for more energy. Her words however:
"I came here today after this long struggle, following the weak remaining smell of that man"
This could be interpreted that she is still following Raki and looking for him now, or rather, she wanted to fight Raciella and is now free of Raki on the belief he is dead, which explains her reawakened AB personality.
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MisterJB, she's crying because she thinks she's gonna die. Whether or not she's nice or not has nothing to do with it :heh:.
Isley was crying when he died...on the inside :heh:
Dauf amazes me as well....for gods sake he's still alive, but his words and actions once again surprise me. Trying to fight Alicia for making Riful cry....my god, he is actually reminding me of Raki :O
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 12:12
Two chapters? are you talking about another manga?
And what are you talking about? of course theirs a new chapter next month, like always.
ROFLMAO at the scanlation: Slash Down Evil!! :heh::eyespin:
I mean technically we should get chapter 97 at the beginning of November. But it is released so early and we get it at the end of this month instead. So there are two chapters in this month. If next chapter raw isn't released so early like this then there is no new scanlation for next month. I hope it's not confusing. :heh:
I'm reading it right now; Oh look at the smooth behind the back block of Riful's tentacles by Alicia. But you know, I am not so sure Alicia is THAT much stronger compared to Riful, sure she's opening up a can of whoop @$$ on her, but Riful is pretty beat up to begin with. Just taking things into context. Priscilla with her overly smug nature looks like she is half asleep and high on whatever the IT drug is in claymore verse. She also happens to be a very weird individual.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 12:15
Why would Priscilla say "That man" if she was referring to Raki? She knows her name.
Would be possible that she is talking about someone else?
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 12:16
Why would Priscilla say "That man" if she was refering to Raki? She knows her name.
Would be possible that she is talking about someone else?
Who else could it possibly be? She says she's been stopping herself all these years, following the scent of this man. Who could it be but Raki?
It's clear that some of her AB personality has come back, so it's not surprising she doesn't call him by name.
I doubt we'll ever see her humane protective side ever again unless she meets Raki again.
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To nitpick, kind of funny that Priscilla's clothes suddenly change to fit her new size :heh:
Who else could it possibly be? She says she's been stopping herself all these years, following the scent of this man. Who could it be but Raki?
Maybe she's trying to find this man; http://jordanmorningstarblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/waldo.jpg
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 12:21
Who else could it possibly be? She says she's been stopping herself all these years, following the scent of this man. Who could it be but Raki?
She said that he had come to Beth's location, following the weak scent of "that man's smell" after a long struggle
So, by "struggle" she could ether mean her struggle to suppress her hunger or her battle against the HellCats.
After that, why would she follow "that man's smell" and meet Beth? Unless, she was following the MIBs that captured Raki and met Beth by pure chance.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 12:25
She said that he had come to Beth's location, followying the weak scent of "that man's smell" after a long struggle
So, by "struggle" she could ether mean her struggle to supress her hunger or her battle against the HellCats.
After that, why would she follow "that man's smell" and meet Beth? Unless, she was followying the MIBs that captured Raki and met Beth by pure chance.
That's what I brought up, it could be interpreted either way:
Either she's been struggling because she wanted to go to Raciella and is now free to do so and eat because Raki is MIA, or she came there because she has no where else to go, and is still following his scent. In other words, she is looking for him.
It's tragic but I think it's the former. I think she lost herself in that town and fled because she thought Raki was dead from the Rods, so nothing stopped her from going to Raciella to feed and regain her power, which is probably why she's going there, not for revenge.
However, the fact she brings up Raki at all shows she STILL has some humanity in her, even in her current state. As long as she remembers him, means she hasn't 100% changed back into how she was when she awakened.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 12:26
MisterJB, she's crying because she thinks she's gonna die. Whether or not she's nice or not has nothing to do with it :heh:.
I said she was evil because the manga itself says "Slash down Evil".
Isley was crying when he died...on the inside :heh:
Bullshit.
my god, he is actually reminding me of Raki :O
"slaps"
Don't you ever suggest that again!:mad::frustrated:
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 12:29
I said she was evil because the manga itself says "Slash down Evil".
Hehe, you're right, I never saw it like that :heh:
Funny, Alicia isn't exactly benevolent or fighting for justice. If anything, this chapter makes you want to sympathize with Riful and Dauf, not Alicia.
Bullshit.
ROFLMAO, he seemed pretty depressed to me...:D :heh:
"slaps"
Don't you ever suggest that again!
Yeah, I deserve it.
But defending Riful for making her cry, it reminds me of the times Raki fought to defend Claire.
......Don't get me wrong, I still want him to die.
That's what I brought up, it could be interpreted either way:
Either she's been struggling because she wanted to go to Raciella and is now free to do so and eat because Raki is MIA, or she came there because she has no where else to go, and is still following his scent. In other words, she is looking for him.
It's tragic but I think it's the former. I think she lost herself in that town and fled because she thought Raki was dead from the Rods, so nothing stopped her from going to Raciella to feed and recouperate.
I wouldn't be surprised if Priscilla really has no goal in mind or would really serve an active purpose. Besides looking for someone (I vote waldo btw) what else is there for her to really do? As is stands now, no one that we know of is going to pose as a threat to her. All she will probably do is eat, and play bloodhound and find some guy. She seems like that person that is immensely strong and bored because there is nothing for her to really do.
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 12:36
Just like my previous prediction about Prissy, I think that the villagers corpse awake her instinct and she escaped from Raki because she didn't want to eat him. And now her awaken personality is going to take control of her like Shiek mentioned.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 12:41
Just like my previous prediction about Prissy, I think that the villagers corpse awake her instinct and she escaped from Raki because she didn't want to eat him. And now her awaken personality is going to take control of her like Shiek mentioned.
That too; one thing is for sure, she definitely killed the Rod-monsters because Raki just doesn't have the skill to do it alone. Re-awakening before or after is hard to say, but at one point, it happened.
I personally think it happened after Raki got speared and she thought he died, so nothing stopped her from leaving and going off her own anymore. If she knew he was still alive, I don't think she would have left, though perhaps she thought she couldn't control herself like you said.
I agree with Zato; I doubt she wants to kill Raciella for revenge or anything like that, it doesn't fit the current personality she has. More likely she just wants to feast on everything until she is no longer hungry.
And considering ES3, that could take awhile.
Which part of body is Priscilla eating? Don't tell me that she wanted to eat ham?
http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/5430/414bc254296966.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/414bc254296966)
That's what I brought up, it could be interpreted either way:
Either she's been struggling because she wanted to go to Raciella and is now free to do so and eat because Raki is MIA, or she came there because she has no where else to go, and is still following his scent. In other words, she is looking for him.
It's tragic but I think it's the former. I think she lost herself in that town and fled because she thought Raki was dead from the Rods, so nothing stopped her from going to Raciella to feed and regain her power, which is probably why she's going there, not for revenge.
However, the fact she brings up Raki at all shows she STILL has some humanity in her, even in her current state. As long as she remembers him, means she hasn't 100% changed back into how she was when she awakened.
Unless she's following Clare, or rather Raki's scent which remains on Clare even after seven years.
I don't think Priscilla thinks Raki's dead, with her senses, she would know the difference between a living unconscious man and a corpse. Also, resisting the rods must require a conscious effort, so if he were to be knocked out, they would take over quickly.
On a bad news, once again we have to wait an entire month for the next chapter. :upset:
Which part of body is Priscilla eating? Don't tell me that she wanted to eat ham?
http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/5430/414bc254296966.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/414bc254296966)
She tore off the part where Beth's torso was and went to town there.
She tore off the part where Beth's torso was and went to town there.
That's what I thought at first but now that I look at it it seems very close to kitty's haunch. See, that's one of the reasons I don't like Priscilla.
zato_1one
2009-10-31, 12:51
Let's have a feast!
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/324/25crop.png
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 12:52
Unless she's following Clare, or rather Raki's scent which remains on Clare even after seven years.
I don't think Priscilla thinks Raki's dead, with her senses, she would know the difference between a living unconscious man and a corpse. Also, resisting the rods must require a conscious effort, so if he were to be knocked out, they would take over quickly.
On a bad news, once again we have to wait an entire month for the next chapter. :upset:
Roflmao, come on D, surely you're used to it by now :heh:
Your arguement is logical; then maybe it's like Zato said and she went away from him because she's afraid she would eat him.
One thing is for sure however; unfortunately, I don't think saving Raki is a priority to her anymore. Even in her weakened condition, she's shown no problem beating Abyssal-level warriors without breaking a sweat. It's possible she may look for him later, but I think replenishing herself is what's on her mind the most right now.
Which means, the odds of anyone rescuing Raki low now. It's possible that he may be rescued when they pass around Rabona, since they must as they are in the West, but it's only a chance. Unfortunately, he'll probably get to the Organization without trouble.
Which is a shame, Yagi really seems determined to make him superhuman :(
Ow Riful was crying . Dauf protected her . Cute couple :p
Seems that there'll be alive . Thanks to Priscilla .
She is back and own and eats lol
That's what I thought at first but now that I look at it it seems very close to kitty's haunch. See, that's one of the reasons I don't like Priscilla.
She is different, compared to most of the other AO or awakends in her mannerisms. It seems so on the surface, I guess I would have to think about it to point out specific incidents. One thing though is her eating habits; she doesn't discriminate and when she is hungry she eats, and she cant stop. That is what got her involved with Isley and Rigardo in the first place, she was "a bit too savage".
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 12:58
Let's have a feast!
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/324/25crop.png
http://i34.tinypic.com/357rimq.jpg
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 12:59
Damn, I think these are the two coolest pics of Priscilla in this chapter. Bonus points for moving so fast Cat-Beth stabbed herself, not even Miria ever did that.
The increase in cool factor is countered by the drop in cuteness. Cue to this blank expression, I already miss that moe smile from chapter 81. Now she's back to being a monster who would sooner eat out your guts.
And BTW, by analogy, does that mean you think Teresa was cooler without Clare?
Well speaking of which, Yuma and Cynthia probably survived thanks to Prissy, unless Yagi recently decided to kill people off screen. :D
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 13:01
http://i34.tinypic.com/357rimq.jpg
Daaaaaamn, I never thought you'd be sarcastic about your favorite character :heh:
Well speaking of which, Yuma and Cynthia probably survived thanks to Prissy, unless Yagi recently decided to kill people off screen.
Irene.....probably Renee....
"recently"? :heh:
But you're right, we all thought that Yuma and Cynthia would be killed by Beth. Hell, their was a spoiler about it!
sonotme_9FedriqSama
2009-10-31, 13:01
Prissy is looking for Isley....too bad hez dead...
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:04
Daaaaaamn, I never thought you'd be sarcastic about your favorite character :heh:
My favorite character is Miria.
Negativedark
2009-10-31, 13:08
So Prisscilla is looking for "That Man". Does this mean we'll get a Guilty Gear crossover? And I hope that Yuma and Cynthia are alive. It's not like Yagi to not show a death for major charecters, except maybe Irene, and then we still had Claire feeling something from the arm.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:09
http://i35.tinypic.com/t9e443.jpg
This should make JB happy. :heh:
"Man" heh? Idk what the original text was but if she called someone "man," he must be at least older than she was. Beth = kid :)
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 13:14
I can't believe you guys are thinking this hard about "Man", who do you think she's looking for? Rubel? :heh:
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-31, 13:14
Priscilla pwnd in this chapter. Methinks she's gona left side and she's gonna go on a rampage, but not like before where she was just feeding. She's going to be deliberate, focused and merciless. Awesome. I can't not love badass women like her.
Fenrir_valindri
2009-10-31, 13:16
Now that I have read the scanlation, I'll make some comments.
First of all, I'm glad to see that I was proven right that Alicia's power isn't "ONLY" in her awakened form like some people have been claiming. She is clearly quite skilled with the sword as well.
From Riful's comments, it seems that Alicia switched roles with Beth, and is now the one trying to hold Beth back.
The reason Alicia suddenly stops is because she is losing control of Beth because she is fighting Priscilla (who is owning the crap out of her), with all her power.
I am curious about what Priscilla is up to.
I'll go with the theory that she thinks Raki is dying and came to stop Raciella, but by being separated by Raki her hunger/AB personality is resurfacing.
and with Raki being taken by the MIB, there isn't really anyone around to calm her down, so she is probably going to obliterate Parasite-Beth, and then go have an epic showdown against Raciella for the title of the strongest AB :uhoh:
And of course, Clare will finally see her nemesis again after so long.
I can't believe you guys are thinking this hard about "Man", who do you think she's looking for? Rubel? :heh:
It's Duff!
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:22
This should make JB happy. :heh:
Naked chicks?
Yes, I am happy.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 13:23
First of all, I'm glad to see that I was proven right that Alicia's power isn't "ONLY" in her awakened form like some people have been claiming. She is clearly quite skilled with the sword as well.
From Riful's comments, it seems that Alicia switched roles with Beth, and is now the one trying to hold Beth back.
The reason Alicia suddenly stops is because she is losing control of Beth because she is fighting Priscilla (who is owning the crap out of her), with all her power.
Yes, I was surprised to see that her skill in her Claymore state really was THAT high. As a Claymore, she's very well the strongest of them on all the island right now, even more then the Ghosts. Could be pushing it considering Riful's current condition, but she definitely put him a bigger fight then I thought.
But your last words, don't make much sense....doesn't it make more sense that Beth is simply still controlling Alicia as before and she's lost complete control now that she's being destroyed by Priscilla? Doesn't make sense that it's backwards like you say.
I'll go with the theory that she thinks Raki is dying and came to stop Raciella, but by being separated by Raki her hunger/AB personality is resurfacing.
and with Raki being taken by the MIB, there isn't really anyone around to calm her down, so she is probably going to obliterate Parasite-Beth, and then go have an epic showdown against Raciella for the title of the strongest AB
Could be both like you say; maybe she's also trying to kill Raciella to help Raki. Her words and her nature however, make me think that she already thinks she's lost him and she's more interest in Raciella's scrumptious meat rather then avenging Raki.
After all, if she consumes Raciella, surely her hunger will go away.
Priscilla pwnd in this chapter. Methinks she's gona left side and she's gonna go on a rampage, but not like before where she was just feeding. She's going to be deliberate, focused and merciless. Awesome. I can't not love badass women like her.
I am interested to know your thoughts on Priscilla's rampage; what is its purpose? It does sound like it could be interesting.
necrosis6
2009-10-31, 13:28
Yes, I was surprised to see that her skill in her Claymore state really was THAT high. As a Claymore, she's very well the strongest of them on all the island right now, even more then the Ghosts. Could be pushing it considering Riful's current condition, but she definitely put him a bigger fight then I thought.
But your last words, don't make much sense....doesn't it make more sense that Beth is simply still controlling Alicia as before and she's lost complete control now that she's being destroyed by Priscilla? Doesn't make sense that it's backwards like you say.
Could be both like you say; maybe she's also trying to kill Raciella to help Raki. Her words and her nature however, make me think that she already thinks she's lost him and she's more interest in Raciella's scrumptious meat rather then avenging Raki.
After all, if she consumes Raciella, surely her hunger will go away.
Alicia's sword skills are definitely better than anyone else's. However, I did notice that she never actually cuts Riful's ribbons. So the fact that she is winning could have something to do with Riful unable to go to awakened form. Maybe even Audrey could score some good hits since all she needs to do is get close enough to hit the human part.
I find it strange that Priscilla lost a hand against Beth but all of the tentacles in the back did absolutely nothing. I definitely like Priscilla and her obsession with eating things. I thought that was amusing.
sonotme_9FedriqSama
2009-10-31, 13:28
Looks like Duff and Riful survived another chapter...
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:30
Now that I have read the scanlation, I'll make some comments.
First of all, I'm glad to see that I was proven right that Alicia's power isn't "ONLY" in her awakened form like some people have been claiming. She is clearly quite skilled with the sword as well.
From Riful's comments, it seems that Alicia switched roles with Beth, and is now the one trying to hold Beth back.
The reason Alicia suddenly stops is because she is losing control of Beth because she is fighting Priscilla (who is owning the crap out of her), with all her power.
I am curious about what Priscilla is up to.
I'll go with the theory that she thinks Raki is dying and came to stop Raciella, but by being separated by Raki her hunger/AB personality is resurfacing.
and with Raki being taken by the MIB, there isn't really anyone around to calm her down, so she is probably going to obliterate Parasite-Beth, and then go have an epic showdown against Raciella for the title of the strongest AB :uhoh:
And of course, Clare will finally see her nemesis again after so long.
I with the person who said that the faint smell of Raki Priscilla is smelling is on Clare, so Priscilla is heading straight towards Clare and Co. I got a somewhat different perspective from reading the scan than you did. It seemed to me like Beth was somehow still holding Alicia's form, and that when Beth started fighting Priscilla, they started to lose control. I think Alicia will awaken in the next chapter because Prisiclla ripped off and flung away what was left on the kitty before she started eating. As for the combined yoki, I wonder if Alicia and Beth shared strength via soul link. I'm not so sure about her holding her own against the likes of Riful in awakened form though, because at this point the ZACS were about to kill Riful.
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To me, here, Riful is expressing her disappointment at being killed by a mere Claymore, who would usually not have a chance against her.
Raciella is the one that brought Riful to this point; after Raciella, she was to weak to fight anyone and could just flee.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:32
Alicia's sword skills are definitely better than anyone else's. However, I did notice that she never actually cuts Riful's ribbons. So the fact that she is winning could have something to do with Riful unable to go to awakened form. Maybe even Audrey could score some good hits since all she needs to do is get close enough to hit the human part.
I find it strange that Priscilla lost a hand against Beth but all of the tentacles in the back did absolutely nothing. I definitely like Priscilla and her obsession with eating things. I thought that was amusing.
Uh? Better than Rafaela's? Now Clare's? I doubt that. It was a good fight, but Riful after Raciella was easy pickings.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:32
Alicia is no mere Claymore and she was winning even before The Destroyer attacked.
:heh::D That image is epic. An Abyssal Crybaby.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-31, 13:37
Yes, I was surprised to see that her skill in her Claymore state really was THAT high. As a Claymore, she's very well the strongest of them on all the island right now, even more then the Ghosts. Could be pushing it considering Riful's current condition, but she definitely put him a bigger fight then I thought.
But your last words, don't make much sense....doesn't it make more sense that Beth is simply still controlling Alicia as before and she's lost complete control now that she's being destroyed by Priscilla? Doesn't make sense that it's backwards like you say.
Riful herself said Alicia and Beth can take turns, so it can make sense that Alicia can control Beth's power as Beth does when Alicia awakens. Right now, Alicia is doing what Beth normally does. But considering Priscilla's fighting Beth, not to mention her power is different than usual considering the parasite's presence. Beth's power is going beyond Alicia's control and it's causing Alicia to lose her own bearings.
Could be both like you say; maybe she's also trying to kill Raciella to help Raki. Her words and her nature however, make me think that she already thinks she's lost him and she's more interest in Raciella's scrumptious meat rather then avenging Raki.
After all, if she consumes Raciella, surely her hunger will go away.
But will Raciella's flesh be tasteful enough for her to eat it? Yoma flesh doesn't taste nice to another Yoma. Humans taste better to them. Awakened beings are part human but we know that Claymores also don't taste really well, so it makes sense that AB's and AO's wouldn't either. The Queen of the Desert will probably prefer to have a bite off human meat again instead.
I am interested to know your thoughts on Priscilla's rampage; what is its purpose? It does sound like it could be interesting.
Not really sure. Priscilla after killing Teresa might be enraged with the world for having taken her parents, so she probably won't have any remorse in killing people, but her main targets will probably be the Black Black Club for not having defended her brother and her family as it should have, and Yoma will also be her enemy.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 13:38
Alicia's sword skills are definitely better than anyone else's. However, I did notice that she never actually cuts Riful's ribbons. So the fact that she is winning could have something to do with Riful unable to go to awakened form. Maybe even Audrey could score some good hits since all she needs to do is get close enough to hit the human part.
I find it strange that Priscilla lost a hand against Beth but all of the tentacles in the back did absolutely nothing. I definitely like Priscilla and her obsession with eating things. I thought that was amusing.
I saw it slightly different; I think the reason Alicia couldn't cut through Riful's ribbons is because she's not using her super-fast scythe-arms and is just using a regular Claymore now.
The only time I recall were a normal sword was able to cut through Riful's ribbons was Helen and her Drill-Sword which doesn't really count.
I don't see how you guys get this Alicia controlling Beth idea, It's always been the otherway around. The idea of Alicia losing control at last when Beth dies makes sense.
Priscilla going for Claire and co...seems unlikely to me. I doubt Claire has Raki's scent on her, they've never really had close contact for extended periods of time or anything. The biggest they ever had was a hug and kiss only once.
Roflmao, MisterJB.....:heh:
Riful herself said Alicia and Beth can take turns, so it can make sense that Alicia can control Beth's power as Beth does when Alicia awakens. Right now, Alicia is doing what Beth normally does. But considering Priscilla's fighting Beth, not to mention her power is different than usual considering the parasite's presence. Beth's power is going beyond Alicia's control and it's causing Alicia to lose her own bearings.
But Beth seems just fine! She's fully awakened, aware of it, and doing what she pleases. It's Alicia that looks like she needs controlling.
But will Raciella's flesh be tasteful enough for her to eat it? Yoma flesh doesn't taste nice to another Yoma. Humans taste better to them. Awakened beings are part human but we know that Claymores also don't taste really well, so it makes sense that AB's and AO's wouldn't either. The Queen of the Desert will probably prefer to have a bite off human meat again instead.
Perhaps; it's possible she won't be able to stomach a being of that magnitude. Still, she ate Beth, I think it won't matter.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:39
Alicia is no mere Claymore and she was winning even before The Destroyer attacked.
:heh::D That image is epic. An Abyssal Crybaby.
Well you're entitled to that interpretation, but honestly, I think the ZACS got lucky with their surprise attack and almost wiped out an Abyssal with a single shot. Abyssals are vulnerable in their human forms, and I think Helen almost took out Isley with a single shot. But I don't mind the tears at all. Riful's been through such a major beating ZACS, Alica, Raciella, ZACS again, Alicia again, that I think that she is in a lot of pain. However, looking at her actions, she keeps on fighting and hasn't coward at all, and when Dauf was trying to stop Alicia just now, she was worried more for his sake than hers.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:41
I saw it slightly different; I think the reason Alicia couldn't cut through Riful's ribbons is because she's not using her super-fast scythe-arms and is just using a regular Claymore now.
The only time I recall were a normal sword was able to cut through Riful's ribbons was Helen and her Drill-Sword which doesn't really count.
I don't see how you guys get this Alicia controlling Beth idea, It's always been the otherway around. The idea of Alicia losing control at last when Beth dies makes sense.
Priscilla going for Claire and co...seems unlikely to me. I doubt Claire has Raki's scent on her, they've never really had close contact for extended periods of time or anything. The biggest they ever had was a hug and kiss only once.
Roflmao, MisterJB.....:heh:
But Beth seems just fine! She's fully awakened, aware of it, and doing what she pleases. It's Alicia that looks like she needs controlling.
Perhaps; it's possible she won't be able to stomach a being of that magnitude. Still, she ate Beth, I think it won't matter.
See Shieky, we agree far more often than 5% of the time. :D
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:41
hasn't coward at all
She cried out of fear of death in this chapter and in chapter 95 she was running for her life.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 13:44
She cried out of fear of death in this chapter and in chapter 95 she was running for her life.
And what's wrong with that?
Horsey-man just sat there while his carcass was being devoured....if she dies, at least it's a better death then by half a dozen naked women :heh: XDXDXD
See Shieky, we agree far more often than 5% of the time.
1%, 5%, something like that XDXD :D
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:44
She cried out of fear of death in this chapter and in chapter 95 she was running for her life.
So you are saying Isley is a coward, since he has run for his life far more often than Riful. :D
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-31, 13:45
But Beth seems just fine! She's fully awakened, aware of it, and doing what she pleases. It's Alicia that looks like she needs controlling.
Because Beth is using power of such magnitude, it's probably forcing Alicia to use her own power and she can't control her own properly since she's focusing one controlling her sister's. We already know it's similar to Galatea's power to manipulate Youki. She can manipulate Youki as long as it's within her scope of power. But if her opponent's power is too much to handle, she loses control of her opponent or she can use more of her own Youki to gain more control. Same concept for Alicia and Beth.
Perhaps; it's possible she won't be able to stomach a being of that magnitude. Still, she ate Beth, I think it won't matter.
It's not that she wouldn't be able to stomach flesh with such power, especially when Priscilla now appears to be much more powerful than Raciella in all likelyhood. It's more about how her flesh tastes. If something tastes bad, you wouldn't really eat it if you can afford to be picky, and Priscilla can always afford to be so. :D
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:46
And what's wrong with that?
Horsey-man just sat there while his carcass was being devoured....if she dies, at least it's a better death then by half a dozen naked women :heh: XDXDXD
We don't even know if his Awakened form could cry. So maybe the only reason we haven't seen Isley cry was he was in a form that didn't have tear ducts. But he's been running away for 7 years now, so according to JB that makes him a coward instead of smart.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:46
So you are saying Isley is a coward, since he has run for his life far more often than Riful. :D
What, thr AFs? He did't run, he killed six of them everytime and they run.
Even in his final battle, he didn't consider escaping. He pulled out his best weapon and tried to kill them all.
better death then by half a dozen naked women XDXDXD
Are you crazy?:twitch::twitch::eyebrow::uhoh::uhoh:
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-31, 13:47
I'm still wondering why Alicia killed the feeders.
Fenrir_valindri
2009-10-31, 13:49
We aren't getting it backwards, Riful clearly states that Alicia has traded roles with Beth, and is now doing her best to hold Beth in check while fighting Riful.
It has always been the other way around, but I always suspected that they could switch roles if necessary, and this chapter seems to support that.
Also, Priscilla catching Raki's scent off Clare would be possible, but that is some sense of smell Priscilla has considering Clare hasn't seen Raki in 7+ years. :heh:
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For the record, I'm pretty sure that Riful in her human body is still much more powerful then any normal Claymore, but Alicia is far from a normal Claymore herself.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 13:49
What, thr AFs? He did't run, he killed six of them everytime and they run.
Even in his final battle, he didn't consider escaping. He pulled out his best weapon and tried to kill them all.
He's on the run, running from town to town, hiding from them, so that they won't find him quickly to prolong his life. Hiding from someone is not cowardly? ;)
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:52
He's on the run, running from town to town, hiding from them, so that they won't find him quickly to prolong his life. Hiding from someone is not cowardly? ;)
He knows he is going to be found so he is only trying to buy time to heal his wounds.
My point is: Riful is a coward for running away while the battle is still raging.
Isley never did that.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 13:52
Because Beth is using power of such magnitude, it's probably forcing Alicia to use her own power and she can't control her own properly since she's focusing one controlling her sister's. We already know it's similar to Galatea's power to manipulate Youki. She can manipulate Youki as long as it's within her scope of power. But if her opponent's power is too much to handle, she loses control of her opponent or she can use more of her own Youki to gain more control. Same concept for Alicia and Beth.
So what you're saying is, Alicia was also trained in Soul-linking like Beth?
Seems weird but....well, I didn't expect those two to be this well-trained or skilled, so it wouldn't surprise me.
What I thought was, Beth's last act before being infected was turning her sister back to normal. Reading Riful's words, the "sister" she is referring to is Beth and that she cannot control both Alicia and herself anymore.
It's not that she wouldn't be able to stomach flesh with such power, especially when Priscilla now appears to be much more powerful than Raciella in all likelyhood. It's more about how her flesh tastes. If something tastes bad, you wouldn't really eat it if you can afford to be picky, and Priscilla can always afford to be so.
.....meh, and she CAN be picky, she didn't eat Rigardo :heh:
Still, Raciella will definitely fill her stomach, I think she won't care.
And yes, she is definitely stronger then Raciella by leagues. Looking at this chapter and realizing that Priscilla hasn't lost any strength at all has shown me this.
We don't even know if his Awakened form could cry. So maybe the only reason we haven't seen Isley cry was he was in a form that didn't have tear ducts. But he's been running away for 7 years now, so according to JB that makes him a coward instead of smart.
Hell, his form can't eat either, he has a faceplate. He has teeth apparently, but can't open his mouth :heh:.
Hehe, I know, And he became all deranged and scary-looking. You don't see Riful dressing up in rags now do you? :heh:
Are you crazy?
........What? yeah they're covered, but it's not like it's much :heh:
Fenrir_valindri
2009-10-31, 13:52
Not really, Isley was trying to regain strength, I don't consider that cowardly.
He was fighting an opponent who would escape from him every time he tried to finish them off, and they came back faster then he could recover from the damage.
It is only natural Isley would try to buy more time to recover.
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 13:55
And yes, she is definitely stronger then Raciella by leagues. Looking at this chapter and realizing that Priscilla hasn't lost any strength at all has shown me this.
No way, The Destroyer is final villain material. I think it's stronger than Priscilla.
Hehe, I know, And he became all deranged and scary-looking. You don't see Riful dressing up in rags now do you? :heh:
She is not dressing in rags.:twitch: Are you kidding? She has been dressing rags for three chapters now.
Screw that, she always wore rags. She never had fancy clothes like Luciela or Isley.
Riful is a cheap bitch.:mad:
........What? yeah they're covered, but it's not like it's much :heh:
I meat that there's no better death than surrounded by naked women. No wonder Isley just sat there, he migth as well enjoy the view before dying.
Yoko Takeo
2009-10-31, 13:57
So what you're saying is, Alicia was also trained in Soul-linking like Beth?
Seems weird but....well, I didn't expect those two to be this well-trained or skilled, so it wouldn't surprise me.
What I thought was, Beth's last act before being infected was turning her sister back to normal. Reading Riful's words, the "sister" she is referring to is Beth and that she cannot control both Alicia and herself anymore.
It might seem that way, but Riful also said they can take turns, not to mention they've been training for another 7 years. Nobody expected that Beth could move as well as Alicia when they were fighting Riful and Duff at first. That was something Beth originally couldn't do. They overcame the difficulty of maintaining the delicate connection of the Soul Link and strengthened it, allowing either side to move in battle. I don't find it strange that they can alternate who awakens and who controls the other.
Fenrir_valindri
2009-10-31, 13:58
I have to disagree, I think Priscilla is probably going to rip the Destroyer a new one within the next few chapters.
She has shown that her power hasn't degraded at all (or it has, and it is STILL more then enough to rip an Abyssal level AB apart in her human form).
Blablabla
2009-10-31, 13:59
So... Pri'chan is taking down with no sweat what was supposed to be the strongest n°1 ever (since Beth = Alicia) in its awakened form and combined with little Raciella.
Then Pri' >>>>> Teresa :cool:
Not really sure. Priscilla after killing Teresa might be enraged with the world for having taken her parents, so she probably won't have any remorse in killing people, but her main targets will probably be the Black Black Club for not having defended her brother and her family as it should have, and Yoma will also be her enemy.
Hmm, but wouldn't she have taken care of that or tried to taken care of that way back then? She never really talks about it, though she has had her bouts where she broke down to a child bawling about her mom or dad. She also "enlisted" Isley to help find her parents though I don't think she really cares to do anything but eat nowadays and possibly look for Isley to continue her search for her parents. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that if she feels a yoki or power that is very strong that she would seek it out, out of curiosity. Which would most likely lead to a fight. But I really can't think of anything right now that Priscilla would be doing that deserves major air time; maybe Clare, the ghosts, or someone stumbles upon her and a dialogue, fight, or feeding takes place. If she is in fact looking for Isley who said he would help find her parents, and he shows up dead, the I would imagine that she wouldn't be too pleased with that and lashes out.
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9729/omges1.png Priscilla toyed with an AO in human form! It appears she hasn't lost any of her power due to her starvation! Maybe... she sacrificed her mass to sustain her power/body but she was at her limit since she couldn't get any smaller. She is clearly well beyond just 2x an AO... just like me and some others thought! http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9729/omges1.png
Now mentally... based off a translation from an unknown translator... she appears (IMHO) to be mostly there. In other words fully capable of independent thought and reasoning. Now, to me she was quite the newly awakened monster she was just after slaying Teresa... to me it was far more like the raging part of her humanity that hated yoma has accepted what she is but she has maintained some of her human self and is not letting the yoma side run wild. So she still has a shot at redemption... well actually she has a slightly lower chance at redemption but a higher chance of it being a true redemption where she consciously makes a choice to change and redeem herself. Rather than a chance of her being "forgiven" because she's a mentally reverted, refuses to eat, and helped/likes Raki. Clearly the chance of her being killed by Clare for being a monster has sky rocketed too.
For the details of the fight, some of you seem to think Priscilla grew wings and/or resisted a pole attack. Sorry but the wings is flat out wrong, it was HellCat Beth stabbing her back, and Priscilla resisting a pole attack is unclear. This was a shorter than average chapter, so Yagi had few pages where he could have shown poles sticking out of Priscilla with evil teeth. Yet he didn't. It's far more likely these were just broken off tentacle attacks that were just sticking out of Priscilla's back. They where likely cut off by Beth herself when Priscilla moved so fact the Beth hit herself... Also based off the translation (once again I'm not familiar with this translator) It seems to me Beth resisted transforming into a mindless minion of Raciella (The Destroyer) by have Alicia take control. If true Beth wouldn't have a parasitic attack anyways, so Priscilla couldn't have been hit by one. Other translations and the next chapter should clarify the matter of what exactly happened to Beth and Alicia.
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Moving on to Riful and Duff... Sorry JB I gotta disagree with you Riful wasn't a cry baby. She was just realizing she had nothing left and was for the first time in her existence, since becoming a AO, truly facing her mortality. Yet she stood her ground and kept raging against the dying of the light. Shieky is right, Isley too was in emotional turmoil facing his death... true he didn't cry but he wanted to live. There are two difference between them a) the sex... which didn't seem to play a role in this (but could be argued) b) Isley had years to contemplate his death... Riful had a few hours at best. Plus when Duff got involved all thought of herself vanished... all she cared about was him. I'm beginning to like both of them now for facts besides there power (and Riful's deductive skills)... if only for there caring for one another. JB your right... there still freaks but still they both have more depth to them now.
As to Duff growing back his arm... I hate to say it but that means he might be finding more power in himself. Which could mean he'll survive this fight... or at least delay it's outcome.
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Now... things I'm confused about or contemplating down the road...
Why didn't Cynthia and Yuma make a minor appearance? are they dead? Or does Yagi want to do something with them that will take more then a page or two? We either way it's a cliffhanger :(
Also where did Priscilla lose her arm? was it the tail attack? Will the Org get it? Good luck AF's... you better be Raki's guide or your Fraked!
Did Clare sense Priscilla? I know she was able to sense Priscilla's power as a human girl... but what about her yoki signature? Also can she sense her that close to Raciella (The Destroyer)? Clare's sensing range seems to be the same as Cynthia's and Cynthia said Raciella was kinda like a jammer... If Clare can sense Priscilla it would be our first real clue to judging the power of Raciella vs Priscilla, Clare sensing Priscilla should likely mean Priscilla is comparable the Destroyer or Priscilla is way stronger. If she can't or has a hard time at it... well the Destroyer is likely stronger. Of course we would have to take Clare's distance from both of them into account. Map people... we may need your help next chapter (you all should make a thread request and state this as a reason for the thread).
My moneys on Priscilla power level wise but the Destroyers mass should make her a hard to kill... Taking out both heads at once will be hard (that assumes she can regenerate and is very fact at it). Need more time to think about the two of them in a face off and will also be waiting on other translations for this chapter.
Shiek927
2009-10-31, 14:01
Roflmao, I'm just trying to figure out how Riful crying means she's cowardly, when we've seen crying 2 dozen times already(Raki unfortunately contributed alot :heh:)
No way, The Destroyer is final villain material. I think it's stronger than Priscilla.
No way; she's bigger final villain material, I'll give you that, but Priscilla awakened all her strength and potential as far as it could go and that is strength that surpasses Teresa.
Her strength is most likely more then 2xAO, maybe 3xAO or even higher. Only Awakened Claire has a chance of beating her, Raciella at the most is 2xAO.
She is not dressing in rags. Are you kidding? She has been dressing rags for three chapters now.
Screw that, she always wore rags. She never had fancy clothes like Luciela or Isley.
Riful is a cheap bitch.
Doesn't look raggy to me. She's wearing a sundress, nice simple and pretty. Just because she doesn't dress like a princess doesn't mean she's dressing like a hobo :heh:
No, a hobo was Isley's look :heh:
I meat that there's no better death than surrounded by naked women. No wonder Isley just sat there, he migth as well enjoy the view before dying.
The view huh?
One of them was eating his face, I guess he had the best view he could ever hope for :heh: XDXDXD
It might seem that way, but Riful also said they can take turns, not to mention they've been training for another 7 years. Nobody expected that Beth could move as well as Alicia when they were fighting Riful and Duff at first. That was something Beth originally couldn't do. They overcame the difficulty of maintaining the delicate connection of the Soul Link and strengthened it, allowing either side to move in battle. I don't find it strange that they can alternate who awakens and who controls the other.
...................Okay :)
You guys have made some good arguements. Still seems weird, but again, Alicia and Beth have come a long way and shown skills never seen before. Would be silly to get all surprised now.
I doubt Claire sensed Priscilla since she's surpressed as always. Still, the chance is there.
SagaraSouske
2009-10-31, 14:02
Since some translation is already out, I will just pointing out a few things:
1. When Alicia cut off Riful's arm. The move she used is called "Aku Zuku Zen" which shouldn't be translated into "cut down evil" since it is a name of an technique. It would be something that akin to a wicked fast slash/cut.
2. Riful's thoughts basically said Alicia is even stronger now then she was in her awakened form. There is a different force controlling her now compare to before. It seems to suggest that with the take over of Beth, Racillia is controlling Alicia right now through soul link since Racilla took over Beth.
3. After Riful got her leg cut off and stood back up, she basically said she has no more youki to regenerate nor hold awakened form. Note, she was never in awaken form since the start of the chapter.
4. When Alicia is acting weird, Riful said:"It looks like the other awakened youki (Beth) is fighting for her life. The bond between the twins is effecting her... now that the force in control of them is fighting something else." So Alicia is effected by Beth since Racilla who is controlling them is fighting Priscilla using Beth's body.
5. Just before Priscilla stick her hand into Beth's stomach. She made a comment about which one is the real one. So she knows about Beth being under Racilla's control.
6. The comments about Raki I already translated earlier. It's pretty much the same. She was able to make it this far because of Raki's parting smile. At the end, Priscilla called Beth and Alicia "Baka no Ko tachi" - in a way an adult talk down to a couple kids.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 14:05
We aren't getting it backwards, Riful clearly states that Alicia has traded roles with Beth, and is now doing her best to hold Beth in check while fighting Riful.
It has always been the other way around, but I always suspected that they could switch roles if necessary, and this chapter seems to support that.
Also, Priscilla catching Raki's scent off Clare would be possible, but that is some sense of smell Priscilla has considering Clare hasn't seen Raki in 7+ years. :heh:
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For the record, I'm pretty sure that Riful in her human body is still much more powerful then any normal Claymore, but Alicia is far from a normal Claymore herself.
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I think I may have seen that quote about them switching somewhere too, but from the above at least, there is no telling who is controlling who, though logically since Beth did it in the past the assumption would be there.
But the way I see things is:
1) Alicia lost control and was in a half awakened state, where she took out a few ZACS.
2) One of the last acts Beth did was to revert Alicia back to Claymore, somehow.
3) Now once back to Claymore, Alicia starts to follow the organizations orders again.
4) Alicia is not used to fighting, using her own yoki, without Beth.
5) There is a reason why Yagi kept Beth,s claymore form on Beth Kitty.
6) Beth is somehow still linked to Alicia.
7) When Alicia fought Riful, Alicia was able to move freely, and Beth stay mobile and an attack on Beth by Riful slowed Alicia.
8) Priscilla > Dauf
9) When Beth fought Priscilla, Beth is able to move freely, however as Riful noticed when Beth is distracted it effects Alicia, so while Beth doesn't slow down, Alicia who is fighting as a claymore falls down, veins are popping up on her face as she is about to awaken again. Riful even makes a comment that she has awakend, which is probably mistranslated and should say Alicia is Awakening I suspect.
10) Yagi has Priscilla tare of the remaining Claymore part of Priscilla for some reason. To me, that means Beth is dead and Alicia will Awaken.
Well speaking of which, Yuma and Cynthia probably survived thanks to Prissy, unless Yagi recently decided to kill people off screen. :D
There likely are alive... at worst one is dead and the other will die from the wounds after telling someone about Priscilla. Think of the half dead warrior at the begging of Witches Maw. However that is the worst case scenario running through my head right now... most are far happier scenarios :p
Irene.....probably Renee....
Irene's likely death was very artist though... you never saw it but we all knew it was the very likely out come.
Think your wrong on Renee... don't see her death as being clear. There just no point in her not being alive... a minor character being confirmed dead this many chapters later is lame.
Dark Mage
2009-10-31, 14:06
ummmm...I am a bit confused at the end of this chapter where Pricsilla says that she was finally nearing the scent of "that man". Who exactly is this "THAT MAN"? Could Priscilla have meant Isley? Does this mean Isley is stil alive? Is this scent and the need to feed/hunger the reason, that Priscilla left Raki unprotected? Does she even remember Raki anymore?
servidor
2009-10-31, 14:07
He knows he is going to be found so he is only trying to buy time to heal his wounds.
My point is: Riful is a coward for running away while the battle is still raging.
Isley never did that.
Taking on account the vast wisdom of the Chinese on the Art of War:
"Of the Thirty-Six Stratagems, fleeing is best."
MisterJB
2009-10-31, 14:08
Roflmao, I'm just trying to figure out how Riful crying means she's cowardly, when we've seen crying 2 dozen times already(Raki unfortunately contributed alot :heh:)
She was crying because she was scared of dying.
The very fact that she was scared to the point of shedding tears, proves that she is a coward.
Raki was a kid when he cried, Riful is an Abyssal One, for God's sake.
Gangsta Spanksta
2009-10-31, 14:10
He knows he is going to be found so he is only trying to buy time to heal his wounds.
My point is: Riful is a coward for running away while the battle is still raging.
Isley never did that.
So Clare is a coward for grabbing Raki, the one she cares for, during the Ophelia and Single Digit Awakened Being encounter, and Raki is a coward for agreeing to flee with Clare, much in the same way that Riful is a coward for grabbing Dauf, the one she cares for instead of leaving him behind, during the Raciella, ZACS, Alicia and Beth Incident.
A Coward would've left Dauf behind, IMO.
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